Billboard Chris: Puberty Blockers, Policy & Parenting | DSH #1522
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro
01:04 - Clinic Overview
05:10 - The Clementine Case Explained
08:32 - Dutch Protocol Insights
11:48 - States with Controversial Policies
14:08 - World Economic Forum Discussion
15:52 - Pediatric Double Mastectomies
19:22 - Jeff Younger Case Analysis
20:00 - Sales Pitch Tactics
22:28 - The Fundamental Lie Uncovered
24:12 - Role in Advocacy
25:24 - Psychiatric Units and Treatment
33:47 - Upcoming Speaking Events
37:15 - Megan's Activism Impact
39:43 - Trump's Executive Order on Surgeries
41:40 - Trans Athletes in Women's Sports
44:20 - Finding Chris Online
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invert the boy's penis to form this neo vagina.
Young men have died after this surgery.
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because the puberty blocker stunted the growth and they don't have enough tissue, they'll cut out some of the boy's colon and they'll use that to form the lining of this neo vagina.
And they're doing that to kids as well.
But they even celebrated doing this to a minor on TV.
Okay, guys, got Bill Borg Chris here today.
Very important issue we will be discussing.
Thanks for coming, man.
My pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, right before you go to the old strip and try to debate some people, huh?
Yeah, I just like to have conversations.
For me, debates, someone's trying to win the conversation instead of just have a conversation.
So I'm not really here to change the minds of people on the far left or whatever.
I just want to have conversations and raise awareness among the normies, the people who don't know what's going on about what I consider to be the greatest child abuse scandal in modern medicine history, this practice of giving children puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries in an effort to change their sex.
Yeah, I witnessed this growing up.
This girl I dated in high school, her, I guess, boy, her brother, sister, I always get confused what to call them, was on puberty blockers.
And that person was really depressed, man.
I saw it destroy them.
Yeah, there's always something else going on with these kids.
Obviously, if a child thinks they were born in the wrong body, which is the language that these trans activists use,
which doesn't make any sense, no one can tell me what that means.
I've had tens of thousands of conversations about this out on the streets across the world.
And no one can define what any of these terms mean.
But obviously, if the child has gotten to the point where they've showed up at a gender clinic to receive puberty blockers, which are technically chemical castration drugs, these are the same drugs given to sex offenders today to chemically castrate them.
Wow.
Just a couple months ago, actually, Oklahoma passed a law that pedophiles wouldn't be able to be eligible for parole until they've gone on chemical castration drugs.
The same exact drugs given to kids.
Crazy.
For this gender business.
But
yeah, these kids are all struggling.
If you look at the data from all these different gender clinics around the world, like the biggest one that was in England at the Tavistock, it was called the Gender Identity Development Service.
70% of the children had five or more coexisting mental health comorbidities.
Autism is very prevalent, probably in the majority of these cases.
Sexual abuse is very prevalent.
Personality disorders, a parent missing.
52% of the kids had only one parent in the picture.
And kids in state care are way overrepresented as well.
Kids in government care.
It's all the struggling kids who are now being fed this lie that the reason for their discomfort is really that they were born in the wrong body and that they need to transition to find true happiness.
And as soon as they come out as transgender, they get love bombed like an occult.
They get all this attention, whereas maybe before they were kind of an outcast.
And of course that attention feels good.
And they have a special identity and they're getting rewarded for it.
And they keep chasing this fantasy that they they can change their sex, which of course can never happen.
And what we end up with are children who've been sterilized, maimed, turned into lifelong pharmaceutical patients, sexual dysfunction, psychological dysfunction, and permanently harmed for life.
So there's nothing loving about this movement at all.
The whole thing is based on a lie.
Right.
So instead of rewarding them, what do you think the alternative solution should be?
Well,
so this ideology is the root of this evil.
We shouldn't be teaching kids that they might have been born wrong.
We should be giving them the positive message, which is that they're beautiful just as they are.
No drugs or scalpels needed.
But for these children who are struggling with various mental health comorbidities, we should be doing what we've always done and treating that with psychotherapy, with counseling, or just with time.
10-year-olds, 12-year-olds who are starting on these drugs because they're giving kids at Tanner stage two, the very beginning of puberty.
They don't know what life's going to be like when they grow up.
They're just kids.
I wear this sign that says children cannot consent to puberty blockers because they literally can't.
They cannot understand what they're signing up for.
They can't understand what it means to destroy your fertility.
They don't know how they're going to feel when they're 25.
And if you look at all the studies that have ever been done into gender dysphoria, this distress about your sex, back before they started giving these kids drugs, the vast majority of these kids just grew out of it when they went through puberty.
Their gender dysphoria desisted.
And a majority...
Back when this affected just a handful of the population, a majority of these kids grew up to be gay.
So that's another aspect to this, which I don't think is talked about enough.
This is actual gay conversion therapy going on.
Wow.
And all of the systematic reviews that have been done to date point to this.
A ton of these kids, when they grow up,
they are same-sex attracted.
So because they're a bit different, because you get these effeminate boys, maybe more masculine girls, well, that's fine.
We shouldn't be telling them there's a right or wrong way to be a girl or a boy.
But a lot of these kids would grow up to be gay.
And now, because they're different, because they don't conform to what are really regressive and sexist stereotypes,
they are coming to believe, primarily because of social media and in schools, that they were born in the wrong body.
What's the process right now for obtaining puberty blockers if you're a kid?
What does that look like?
So it depends on the state.
About 27 states have actually banned this now, all red states, of course.
But increasingly over the years, all the safeguards that were in place have vanished.
So you have kids literally receiving puberty blocker prescriptions on their very first appointment.
Wow.
There's a very famous video people can watch.
I ran into this girl named Clementine at UCLA.
I heard of her, I think.
Yeah, back in October, Elon actually retweeted it, so it was seen a lot.
But she's 20 years old now.
When she was a child, seven years old, she'd suffered sexual abuse.
This made her not really look forward to growing up and becoming a woman,
having had some chronic sexual abuse as a child.
At 12, she was seeing her school counselor, who, because Clementine didn't want to be a woman, her counselor decided that that meant she was trans.
And she told the parents that.
The parents took their daughter to the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, where they saw Dr.
Johanna Olson-Kennedy.
This is one of the premier doctors in the United States doing this to kids.
She actually received about $10 million from the NIH to study this.
over several years, and then she buried the study because she didn't like the results.
But on the first appointment with Johanna Olson Kennedy at Children's Hospital of Los Angeles, Clementine was prescribed puberty blockers in half an hour.
She was separated from her parents.
Her parents were told they could have a dead daughter or a live son.
This is the classic coercive manipulative tactic used to get parents to go along with this.
And so at 12, she started out on puberty blockers.
At 13, Johanna Olison Kennedy pushed her onto testosterone.
because other boys in school were starting to go through puberty and she said if you don't start testosterone you're going to fall behind and at 14 she pushed her into getting a double mastectomy
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Because she said, the doctor said, this wasn't what Clementine was wanting at the time.
The doctor said we get better results when we do these young.
So at 14, she had a
double mastectomy performed by Scott Mosser in San Francisco.
The testosterone she was on since the age of 13 caused psychosis, so she went off it at 17.
She officially detransitioned at 19.
But this is kind of a classic case.
And she's now suing all the doctors involved and the therapist and the hospitals.
So I'm very confident she's going to win.
There's a law firm out of Texas called Campbell Miller Payne, four dads who all left their previous law firms just to sue for all these young people.
So there's many lawsuits flying now all across the country that involve the American Academy of Pediatrics, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, the Endocrine Society, all these institutions who refuse to actually look at the evidence.
And I'm confident in time we're going to put a stop to this through the actions of each state, but also these lawsuits and insurance companies as well aren't going to want to insure this this anymore when they're paying no.
I bet.
I wonder what percentage of these transitions regret it later.
Yeah, it's a great question.
And we don't have solid numbers on this because there never has been a proper study done.
This whole thing is driven by ideology.
This started in the Netherlands in the late 90s and in the first decade of this century with just a handful of kids.
They developed what was called the Dutch Protocol, where they'd block puberty in these children.
They wouldn't start the cross-sex hormones until 16.
They would rule out other coexisting mental health comorbidities.
But when this Dutch protocol was
brought into the United States, first in 2007 in Boston is when they started this, over time they've gotten rid of all these safeguards.
And we have this mess that we're in today where a lot of these activists say we shouldn't even
require therapy for these kids because to even suggest therapy is needed would be to suggest that there's something wrong with their gender identity.
So they don't even want to do that.
Crazy.
So do you think this is is a mental health issue?
Absolutely.
Yeah, but it's being turned into a physical health issue with these drugs and hormones.
Marcy Bowers is the president of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.
They write what are called the standards of care that all these children's hospitals claim to follow.
He admits in a Zoom call that literally none of the boys who started on puberty blockers at 10 or stage two as adults have ever been able to have an orgasm.
They have no sexual function.
Holy crap.
So again, they're starting kids on these drugs 10, 11, 12, whenever these kids are hitting puberty.
And now they're destroying their future chance for life of having any intimate relations.
They're sterilizing children.
That is awful.
I did not know that was happening.
So yes, it's mental health, but now they're being harmed physically for life.
This is irreversible damage.
And what's it based on?
What evidence is it based on?
There is none.
In the past few years, we've had systematic reviews where they look at all all the scientific literature all the peer-reviewed studies first done in finland they put a stop to this then sweden then england there's a report it's the most comprehensive one that's been done to date called the cass review by dr hilary cass
she's a lifetime pediatrician a 400 page report people should read that if they want to get more info but the department of health hhs here in the US just published their own 400-page report, which included a section on the ethics of this.
And there's never been any evidence for this.
It's ideology driving medicine.
And they've used very heavy-handed tactics of trying to cancel people, getting them fired from their jobs.
Anyone who objected to this out of a good conscience, knowing what's going on, all these whistleblowers from these gender clinics, for example,
They've been canceled by society.
They lost their jobs.
They lost their means to earn an income.
There's a woman woman in Australia right now.
She's a psychiatrist.
She's being investigated yet again
because people have filed complaints about her.
And she's just a loving mom and a professional psychiatrist who knows there's no evidence to this and that these kids are struggling with other problems.
But she lost her job.
And this is happening all across the Western world.
Which states are handling the worst?
I know we were talking before this about Colorado.
Yes, it's a race between a lot of these blue states to see who can handle this the worst.
Colorado is right up there for sure.
They just passed a law.
It's not a criminal offense, but you'll get a fine if you dead name someone, call them by their previous name, or if you misgender them.
And misgendering, I should say, is actually properly gendering someone.
We shouldn't be required as a society to call a man a woman.
That's just not right.
That's forcing us to lie.
And so they've just codified into law
this bill, which now forces people to lie at penalty of being fined.
Crazy.
And they also, in this new law, made it a sanctuary state so that
if someone comes there from another state where it's been made illegal and they transition their child in that state, they can't face any repercussions for these other laws.
California has done the same sort of thing.
Maine's done that.
Washington state.
A lot of these states have conversion therapy laws put in place where it's now a criminal offense to try to help your child feel comfortable with their sex.
It's totally fine to convince your little girl she's a boy because she likes playing with boy toys, because she likes climbing in the trees and playing in the dirt and throwing around the football.
These are the stereotypical things that these trans activists look for when they declare that a child is transgender.
At the Boston Children's Hospital, I tweeted out all these videos from their own doctors, the number one ranked pediatric hospital in the country, where they said it's things like a little girl who tries to pee standing up, a boy who tries to pee sitting down, trying on a sibling's clothing, and playing with the opposite gender toys.
These are all signs your child is transgender and can be treated.
So it's now a crime in many blue states and in Canada, all across Canada, and in other countries, because these same bills pop up all over the world.
It's a crime to help your child feel comfortable with their sex.
It's considered progressive to maim and sterilize them and turn them into a lifelong pharmaceutical patient.
And these are the states you'll go to.
You'll go in person and hold up your billboards, right?
Yeah, I go everywhere.
I've been to, I think, 10 countries, probably 100 different cities now.
Spoke at the United Nations Human Rights Council last year.
Went to Davos during the World Economic Forum.
Got a ton of support on the streets of Davos, I should add.
Really?
And during the forum where they had their LGBTQ panel, Someone had actually taken a picture of my sign and they featured it on their big screen.
And they talked about all the pushback that's happening worldwide
against this.
And they try to conflate trans rights with gay rights.
And that's one of the reasons they had a lot of success is, you know, we had all these fights for gay rights, which all around the West were won pretty much by 2015.
And then the new civil rights movement became trans rights.
And they've conflated this with being gay.
And they combine all these letters.
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In Canada, they'll include 2S for 2 spirit.
Wow.
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Yeah, apparently, going back millennia, in some of these Indigenous communities, they'll say that people were trans.
But when you look into it, it's almost always gay men.
Yeah, I've never heard of trans back, way back.
No.
And even if it did exist, they weren't.
blocking puberty in children.
Yeah, how would they do it back then without
there was no means to do it.
So this is a new thing.
This is a social contagion primarily affecting girls.
This used to affect mostly boys back when it was one out of 30,000 kids.
Now it's three to one girls versus boys showing up to these gender clinics.
Well, the New York Times reported 300,000 children in the U.S.
have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
Tens of thousands of kids just in the U.S.
have been medicalized.
And they're doing...
We don't have all the statistics on this because we don't have figures for people who paid privately and things like that.
But based off insurance data, not including Kaiser Premier Nente, not including veteran affairs.
So these are about half the numbers.
We know that there are 1,000 double mastectomies being done on kids each year in the U.S.
That's the conservative number.
The more accurate number is probably double that.
Wow.
And according to insurance data,
up to 179 girls under the age of 12 and a half had a double mastectomy for gender.
Oh my gosh.
It's elementary school.
Yes.
Grade seven, 12-year-olds.
It's insane.
I have this woman on camera from Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, California.
She's the psychiatrist there.
And she admits, she's asked a question, what's the youngest you've done surgeries on these kids?
And for boys,
her name's Kellen Lackhart, by the way.
For boys, she said the youngest they've done vaginoplasties is 16, having started the process at 15.
And when she says that, I think she's referring to hair removal, which they have to do.
But they actually, this gets really gruesome I don't want to get into this too much but they
they invert the boy's penis to form this neo vagina they call it
but because these boys went on puberty blockers their genitalia never grew so they don't have enough tissue to work with so what they'll end up doing and some kids have died or young men have died after this surgery is
because the puberty blockers stunted the growth and they don't have enough tissue they'll cut out some some of the boy's colon
or some of the peritoneum, the lining of your abdominal cavity,
and they'll use that to form the lining of this neo vagina.
Oh my gosh.
That's disgusting.
It's brutal.
And they're doing that to kids as well.
Not as much as these double mastectomies, of course.
But they even celebrated doing this to a minor on TV, the case of Jazz Jennings, had this 10-year-long reality show where they started transitioning this boy from the age of three or four, whatever he was.
And at 17,
on the TV show, they celebrated him getting this surgery done.
People don't believe this is being done to minors, but all the evidence is out there.
And for girls, up to 179 under the age of 12 and a half, have had double nastectomies.
So parents have to take some accountability too, then.
Big time.
So a lot of the times, this is...
mothers pushing this on their kids and virtually all of the custody disputes you see over this issue, it's the mom pushing it, dad against it.
That's another conversation for another day.
But this is like suicidal empathy sort of thing, toxic empathy.
So you get these left-wing mothers pushing this on their kids.
But then in a lot of cases, it's parents being blindsided.
Their child, who probably is on the autism spectrum.
gets online, finds other people pushing this and gets indoctrinated.
Or maybe it happened in school.
Maybe Maybe they started going to these GSA clubs, these gender and sexuality alliance clubs that are held at lunchtime or after school, where these misfit kids are now getting all this love and attention.
And they're coming to believe that they're trans and that's the source of their struggles.
And it can be really hard in a lot of these cases, especially in these blue states where they've passed laws calling it conversion therapy to help your child feel comfortable with their sex.
Now you get parents who feel like they can't even do anything.
There's the case of Jeff Younger, a man in Texas, whose wife took their twin boys.
One boy, she started transitioning, socially transitioning when he was just three or four or five years old.
But she took them to California, sanctuary state, so that her husband couldn't do anything about it.
Oh my God.
And she's now started the one boy, one of these twin boys on puberty blockers.
That's insane.
Is there a coming back once you're on those?
So technically, if they come off them after just a short period of time, a few months, yeah, puberty would resume.
It's still going to have caused some damage but we know from gender clinic statistics themselves
depending on the clinic it's 98 or it's 100 of these kids stay on the puberty blockers and progress to the cross-sex hormone
so the sales pitch from the trans activists is puberty blockers by time
they just keep the child looking neutral because apparently it would be too traumatic if they were to develop their adult secondary sex characteristics.
So they keep them looking neutral so they can explore their gender identity.
That's the sales pitch.
But in reality, when these kids, if they've shown up to the gender clinic,
they're not there to explore their gender identity.
They're already deep into this.
They want the puberty blockers and they want the cross-sex hormones.
So the girls want testosterone, the boys get estrogen, because they want to look like the opposite sex.
And so almost every one of these kids progresses to the cross-sex hormones.
And they stay on these for years.
It's sterilizing a lot of kids.
It damages their fertility.
Depends when they started on them.
It depends how long they were on them.
But for sure, a lot of these kids and young people like Clementine,
she thinks there's no way she'll ever be able to have kids.
And so, no, there's no coming back from that.
There's this window of opportunity to go through puberty.
When you're 20 years old and you've been on these drugs as a teenager, you don't go through puberty at that age.
So you get these boys, these young men who have effeminate voices for the rest of their lives.
You know, their bodies didn't develop as they should, and they're stuck perpetually in that state.
Terrible.
I can usually tell if someone is trans, honestly, no matter how many pills are taken or hormones, like I feel like there's just distinct features.
For sure, especially with men, because if they've gone through puberty at all, they've got deeper voice and broader shoulders and all that.
And they're still tall and big.
Yeah.
The jawline.
The girls tend to pass.
more because they all grow a beard because of the testosterone.
So they're actually growing beards?
Every single girl who goes on this grows a beard.
Yeah.
I did not know that.
So they tend to sneak under the radar more because you see someone with a beard, you just think they're a man.
Right.
But, you know, they're five foot three and they might have a kind of a prepubescent voice still.
And so I can spot them almost always.
Because I do this for a living.
I talk to so many of these people.
But
again, they're just kids.
And what's the fundamental lie here that they were born in the wrong body?
It's all a lie.
This whole thing is a cult.
They call it gender affirming care.
We never should use their language.
This is sex denying harm is what it is.
And the only thing it affirms is self-hatred.
These young people, they hate themselves right now.
They hate their life.
They hate their bodies.
They want to change.
So that's the only thing any of this is affirming is hatred.
Yeah.
You've talked to thousands of these trans people, like you said.
Have any of them contact you afterwards?
Like, you actually changed my opinion?
I don't get a lot of that from the trans-identified people, but I, you know, they don't all disagree with me either, especially some of the more old school transsexuals.
A lot of them agree we shouldn't be doing this to kids.
I gave a speech in Kelowna, BC a few years ago where a couple trans-identified people happened to be walking by.
It was outside in the summer.
And they spoke with me afterwards and agreed with everything i'd said wow
so they're not a monolith but
you know it takes time for a lot of these people to acknowledge that what they've been chasing has been a lie right their whole life is a lie basically at that point yeah they started on the puberty blockers and then the cross-sex hormones and they still don't feel satisfied so then they want to get the surgeries and then they're still not satisfied and then it's another surgery and another surgery and then they get a bit older and their brain finishes finishes developing.
And all this love and attention and this friend group that they had when they were young,
a lot of that's gone.
Their friends have gone and gotten married.
They want to have kids now.
They can't.
And they can't.
There's this surgeon from BC Children's Hospital where I'm from in British Columbia, Daniel Metzger.
And he says in these leaked recordings, there's this...
thing everyone should look up if they want to read more about this called the WPATH files.
These were leaked internal documents and leaked videos of all these trans health professionals speaking with each other.
And this guy admits he follows these kids into their 20s and they get to be 25 and they want to have a family, but they can't because they're infertile.
And he says, yeah, the dog's not doing it for you, is it?
As though having a pet is a replacement for one day having your own family.
So he knows the regret rate is there.
He talks openly about it.
But then he keeps doing this anyway.
All these kids.
I hope they're at least disclosing that to the kids that you can't have kids in the future you know if you go down this route it's on the consent forms they sign oh it is but when you talk to a lot of these detransitioners a lot of them had no idea damn some of them think they can grow their breasts back wow like we're dealing with some people who have serious other mental health issues going on you get kids coming straight from the psychiatric units of hospitals into the gender clinic.
Jamie Reed is a whistleblower from Missouri
who
she's a lesbian woman.
She worked at this gender clinic to help these kids.
She worked there for four years.
She was case manager for over a thousand children.
She blew the whistle on all of this, said all the same things that I'd be telling you today.
But one of the cases she mentioned is this boy that was sexually abusing dogs who was sent from the psychiatric unit.
And right away, they just gave him Lupron, the puberty blocking drug.
Wow.
Probably to chemically castrate him.
But this is a seriously mentally unwell child.
And they just, in one appointment, start prescribing these drugs.
What do you know about anyone in half an hour?
I've known you now for about half an hour.
We've just been talking about this, but I really know nothing about you.
What can a doctor know about these kids?
You don't know anything in half an hour, an hour, two hours, 10 hours.
You're barely scratching the surface.
I think the average doctor visit now, just in general, is like eight minutes.
Right.
But here we're talking about drugs that are going to completely change the course of their life, that are going to destroy their chance of having a family.
And when you get a bit older, it's all about family.
Absolutely.
You know, when you're young, you're chasing things for yourself.
You're having fun.
You're going to Vegas and partying with the friends.
As you get older, it's all about family.
Yeah, you got two daughters, right?
I do.
Yeah, so I know this resonates with you.
You would never want to see them go down this route.
Right, which is why I learned about this in the first place, because I do see this as like a cult that has taken over our entire Western world, a cult that's being pushed and funded by the governments and all these NGOs with billions of dollars.
None of this happened organically.
This was all funded.
It's all pushed.
Yeah, in Canada, we've sent something like $12 billion overseas pushing gender initiatives.
Oh my God.
In the U.S., it's more than $100 billion.
Jeez.
That's nuts.
They've been sending hundreds of millions of dollars to other countries, to their own universities, to push this stuff.
Like, why is the U.S.
government funding Australian universities, for example?
That's weird.
Who end up pushing this?
They're trying to spread this out.
Absolutely.
Did it start in the U.S.
and Canada and kind of just...
Well, it first started in Holland.
Oh, yeah, you said that.
But
it's certainly the most insane, I would say, in the U.S.
and Canada.
Yeah, we seem to have the most mental health issues here.
But they also got rid of the safeguards.
The medical bodies are ignoring all of the evidence that shows this isn't helping kids.
All of the evidence shows there is no evidence.
That's all it really says.
And
there's great risk of of harm.
But there's never been a single clinical study.
I mean, it's easy to get what you want here.
I got Xanax in like five minutes.
I went to a doctor I've never met before and said I had some anxiety.
Right.
And when
with parental approval, Planned Parenthood will give out these hormones as well.
But as soon as these children turn 18 years old, and again, it's mostly girls doing this.
An 18-year-old girl walks into a Planned Parenthood.
She walks out 20 minutes later with a prescription for testosterone.
Wow.
That's terrible.
And
they don't question anything.
They just say, congratulations, you've discovered your gender identity.
Yes, you're a wonderful candidate for puberty blockers across sex hormones.
Here you go.
And so these drugs are given off-label.
They've never been approved by the FDA for this purpose.
The puberty blocking drug was originally approved for prostate cancer, for endometriosis, uterine fibroids.
It's given to sex offenders to chemically castrate them.
But with women, for example, with endometriosis, they say don't take this longer than six months because the side effects are very severe.
But they give this to kids for years.
Jeez.
I wouldn't be surprised if, with telemedicine on the rise, that people could just call up and get it in a few months.
That's done all the time.
Oh, it's already being done.
Oh, yeah.
Wow.
It's already done.
And in states that have banned this, you've got people ordering hormones in the mail.
I know a girl in California who had her double mastectomy scheduled over a telehealth appointment.
What?
15 minutes.
So she didn't even see someone in person?
No.
And that case of Clementine I mentioned, Scott Mosser was her surgeon.
First time he met her was the morning of the surgery.
No.
So
it's just a treadmill of people coming in, coming out.
There's a lot of money in it, of course.
But
the people pushing this at these genital clinics, these doctors, they're true believers.
They really are.
That is crazy.
Because they could do all sorts of things to make money.
Yes, there's money in it.
Yeah.
But
a lot of these people are trans-identified themselves, which is a problem because now you've got really the insane running the asylum.
I'm actually suing the Australian government right now on a freedom of speech issue.
So is Elon, because they censored one of my posts last year where I criticized this woman named Teddy Cook, who'd been appointed to the World Health Organization panel of 20 so-called experts.
tasked with drafting healthcare policy for trans-identified kids and adults all across the world.
Teddy Cook is a woman who identifies as a man.
She posts naked images all the time.
She says trans-identified people have better sex when they're high on illicit drugs.
She posted a picture of bestiality even, a dog sodomizing a man.
She posts about trans orgies, just all this gross stuff.
Naturally, she was appointed to the World Health Organization.
She's not a doctor.
She's just an activist.
These are the types of people drafting healthcare policy.
And so I criticized her and I called her a woman because she is.
And then in Australia, they have this bureaucrat called the e-safety commissioner whose job is to censor the internet.
So she ordered my post taken down.
X refused.
They forwarded me the legal takedown notice.
I then filed an appeal and then so did Elon.
So we've got this big freedom of speech case going on down there right now.
Wow.
But this is the same all across the world.
Like the president of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health.
That's a man identifying as a woman.
That Kellen Lackhardt individual at Kaiser Permanente, who said how they cut off the breasts of a 12-year-old girl, she's a woman identifying as a man.
At the Supreme Court hearing in December, they heard oral arguments for the Tennessee ban, because Tennessee banned this a year or two ago.
So the lawyer for the ACLU
who is suing for the right to sterilize kids, that's what they're doing.
That's A woman named Chase Strangio.
She identifies as a man.
So you have all these ideologues who who are the ones writing healthcare policy and who are the ones being given credit, who are the ones that we're supposed to listen to, I guess, because of their lived experience.
This is some leftist thing, right?
They only want people with lived experience writing the policies.
Well, no, how about we just have healthy individuals who look at the evidence and we have evidence-based care for these kids instead of ideological-based care.
Insanity.
Yeah, because when you were a kid, this wasn't even a thing.
Totally non-existent.
Never heard of it.
I never heard of of it until i was in my 40s because this really took off around 2015
again coinciding with the end of the gay rights movement all the money went to this
and social media really took off you know 2010 2015 kids were all getting on it so this is just the perfect storm and everyone was too afraid to say anything because they were getting canceled and fired from their jobs and this is still happening to this day
but
No one can fire me.
I'm my own person.
I used to have a real job.
I was a financial advisor.
Wow, big change.
I quit that just to raise awareness about this because, as you said, I'm a dad of two girls.
I learned all about this to protect them.
They're not affected by this at all.
But when you're a parent and you know, other parents struggling with this can't speak up because they would alienate their own kid, I just felt a calling to do something about it.
So I'm doing it the only way I can, which is out on the street.
Makes you wonder what they're going to push next because it just seems to keep getting worse and worse, right?
Yeah, there's this whole trans-humanist push to,
you know, turn us into cyborgs and stuff.
Yeah.
It's a bit scary.
It is.
Playing with Mother Nature.
You know, I'm all for everything Elon's doing, but that chip that he wants to put in our head, it's a little bit scary.
I'm passing on that one for now.
It's becoming like the Matrix, right?
You can just plug in and learn Kung Fu.
Well,
where are you speaking next?
You said you're about to travel.
Yeah, I'm off to Brussels in a couple of weeks.
home to the European Parliament.
How's Europe dealing with this right now?
Some countries are doing great.
England, Scotland have basically put a stop to this.
Scotland also banned the cross-sex hormones.
England still wants to do a clinical trial on all these kids, though.
Yeah.
Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, they've all basically put a stop to this.
They're preaching for therapy instead of medicalization.
But this is still a mess.
I was in Geneva.
and I met a father there who has lost custody of his daughter.
Wow.
And so is the mother to the state.
How did that happen?
Because they didn't want to give her puberty blockers.
So even in Switzerland, that's happening.
And he can't expose his identity because of his job.
But this is happening everywhere.
And it's being pushed by the European Parliament.
The head of the European Parliament just the other day was two days ago, I think,
was writing on Twitter about how this is helping people to be their true selves and still promoting it with the progress pride flag and all that.
So I've got people lining up events for me in the European Parliament.
That'll be good.
I work with other huge conservative organizations like ADF International.
They're the Alliance Defending Freedom.
They're a legal organization representing people all across the globe, pro bono,
who are fighting gender ideology or who have had their parental rights violated.
They helped fund my case in Australia against the government.
So I'm going to be doing some work with them there.
But I'm also going to go into Germany, where
freedom of speech is pretty dead right now.
We'll see what happens there.
In Germany?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I have to be smart because I could get arrested very easily there.
Same with the UK, I heard.
UK is a bit of a mess for sure.
They're arresting people for memes.
Yeah.
Literally releasing sex offenders to make room for people who wrote something.
a little bit mean on the internet.
Insane.
I hope America doesn't get to that point.
Same with Canada.
I've heard some concerning things with Canada.
Yes, I think a lot of the talk about Canada is sometimes exaggerated.
I say whatever I want.
The problem with Canada, though, is if you're working for the government and something like one out of every three people have some government job, whether you're a teacher or whatever,
you can't speak openly about this because they set their own rules and they'll fire you.
Jordan Peterson is supposed to go for
re-education.
I saw that.
They want him to get social media training.
But he's not even a professor anymore, right?
No, and he's not.
I guess he's still a practicing psychologist.
I don't think they've taken his license away.
I know they wanted to.
But he's just busy doing this stuff.
Yeah, and that's so that's the regulatory organizations who basically all have their own standards where you can't discriminate against someone based on their gender identity, which sounds lovely, sounds nice.
But in practice, that means
you have to allow men in women's prisons, men in women's sports, men in women's shelters.
And this is, of course, insane.
We can't have a society like this.
So we're winning.
We started off this a bit talking about, you know, how often do I change minds or how often do I hear from people who were aggressive?
We really just need to reach all the people in the middle.
The average person just goes to work, comes home, has dinner, plays with their family, goes to bed.
They have no idea this stuff is happening.
So that's the type of demographic that I'm trying to reach.
And I know throughout all the conversations I have and the millions of times they get seen online that it wakes up other people and gets them active in fighting this as well.
Absolutely.
So now we've got all sorts of people fighting this.
Whereas just a few short years ago, they'd never even heard of this.
Have you seen the numbers go up or down since you started?
You started in 2015.
You said there's a thousand surgeries a year, roughly.
So I started my campaign in 2020.
2020.
Really, this whole trans explosion with kids started around 2010, really took off around 2015.
but
as for numbers i think we're plateauing right now i'd say this ideology has peaked
and there's a movement among gen z to get more conservative we see this in all the elections when they look at the demographics from 18 to 30 they're going more conservative in canada we just had an election and it was the boomers who voted in the liberals again
if not for them the conservatives would have gotten in in.
So I think that's a very positive sign.
The pendulum is starting to swing back.
Yeah, that is a good sign.
Shout out to Charlie Kirk, people like him, really waking people up.
Hugely important what he's done.
I'd love to see you two on a campus together.
Yeah, I've done a couple events with Turning Point.
Oh, yeah, but that would be fun.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Yeah, I went to
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, and I went there with Chloe Cole.
She's a young D transitioner.
And of course, the university put on a counter protest, about 400 of them.
They hired a drag queen
to come.
And the drag queen came and shook his fake boobs in the face of Chloe Cole, a young girl who lost her breasts at the age of 15.
I mean, that's how off the rails and insensitive these people are.
They don't care.
They should be having great concern for her, for the harm that was done.
But instead, they just want to troll her.
It's awful.
There's a whole reality show about drag queens.
RuPaul.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, drag race.
Yeah.
And they're like mainstream now.
Like they have millions of followers.
Yeah, huge.
I saw on the strip, there's some RuPaul's drag race show in one of the
hotels there.
Yeah, in Vegas.
I mean, this is going to be around for a long time,
but what we can do much more quickly than reducing this ideology to nothing, what we can do is put a stop to the medicalization of kids.
Yeah.
Well, Trump came out and said there's only two genders, right?
He sure did.
So he wrote an executive order stopping stopping all federal funding to any institution doing this to kids.
A liberal judge has stopped that in the meantime.
But he also said no more Medicaid to be used for this.
And so that has put a stop to this in some of the hospitals.
Wow, we were in the states as well.
I didn't know we were paying for this.
The tax dollars are going towards this.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Under Obamacare, it was required to cover gender identity.
What?
Yeah.
And these surgeries are probably tens of thousands, I'd imagine, right?
Yeah, double mastectomy will be like 10,000.
The drugs themselves, they'll give this puberty blocking drug as an implant often in the arm or the thigh, and that's 40,000 U.S.
a year.
Jeez, that's insane.
Just for the puberty blockers.
Oh my god.
And then what the transactivists call bottom surgeries, because they like to put euphemistic terms on all of this, those can get to be $100,000.
So
it's currently about a $2 billion a year industry.
It's growing about 15% a year.
Is that in the U.S.
or world?
Is it adults?
That, I believe, is just in the U.S.
Yeah.
Damn.
$2 billion a year.
It's a good amount.
Yep.
It's a good amount.
It's not as much as some people say, but again, we're talking about tens of thousands of children.
That affects in turn
lives.
Yeah.
Because they're their families, you know, their friends.
Yeah, they're like in a cult.
They're if their family isn't supportive, they're encouraged to cut off from their family
and adopt their new glitter family.
Yeah, I know people talk about the athlete stuff like a lot, but this is important too.
Like the sports stuff, people try to focus on with the trans movement.
But yeah, I mean, that's a big, that's for sure a big deal.
In California, right now, you've got this boy
winning the long jump, winning the triple jump.
That's, of course, not as big a deal as harming children for life, but it's taking away scholarship money from some of these girls.
They work their whole lives training hard every day.
And what chance do they have against some six-foot-two male?
Yeah.
You have no chance.
The volleyball spikes.
Some girl got a concussion.
Yeah, permanent brain injury.
Crazy.
Actually.
because
the velocity was just much greater than what a girl could hit.
But this is happening all over the world.
We had Olympic gold medalists losing out to men.
The boxing, right?
Yeah.
I think two trans made the finals.
Yeah, so they don't even call themselves trans.
These people were born with a disorder of sexual development, which the left will call intersex.
Intersex is just an umbrella term.
for all of these different disorders of sexual development.
So
with these two boxers,
we don't have all of their medical records.
Some were leaked, but we're quite certain that they were born with this condition where their testicles were internalized.
And they have today, I guess, a micropenis, you call it.
But at birth, they might have been confused as a female because things just didn't form right.
But the testicles are up inside.
And when they hit puberty, they're still fully male.
Their chromosomes are X, Y.
They're producing normal amounts of testosterone.
They're going through male puberty.
They're fully male.
But unfortunately, they were born with this condition.
That doesn't mean we should have them fighting against women.
They were banned by this other boxing institution because they did these medical checks and they did discover, yes, they're fully male.
But the Olympic Committee didn't have
the stones to do the right thing and to kick them out, which is crazy.
So that's like the premier event.
That's like worldwide.
Yeah.
And it's not just running, it's boxing.
Like you're physically beating up a woman.
Like they should, I'm surprised.
Did they get sued for that or something?
Like, no, I don't think there's been anything like that.
What?
Yeah.
Like, the third place girl should have really went after them.
Yeah, or the girl who lost in round one, who knows how far she would have gone.
Yeah.
That affects her whole career at that point.
That's right.
Like, if you win a gold medal, you're getting six, seven-figure endorsement deals after that.
Like, that's your whole livelihood.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And so Trump has said he's not going to allow any of these trans-identified athletes or these, you know, men with disorders disorders to compete in the Los Angeles Olympics coming up.
That's good.
Yeah.
But we just got to keep educating people.
That's all I try to do because it does take time.
We're talking about something that's had decades of a lead on us in pushing this and the billions of dollars.
No one's funding me.
This is all on my own dime.
People do help a bit through my website, but
you know, the left has all the money behind them on this.
And the people fighting back are really,
mainly it's a bunch of parents
and now increasingly detransitioners.
And then you get young athletes like
Riley Gaines, who's been tremendous.
But we're not some organized group with a whole bunch of money, we're just individual citizens who are concerned, but we're still winning because we got truth on the side, and the truth spreads for free.
Where can people support you, keep up with you?
They can support me through my website, billboardchris.com, but follow me on all the major social media, X,
YouTube, Instagram, even Facebook.
Now, I had an imposter on there.
Oh, yeah.
That's why I started a Facebook account, but it's really good.
That's where a lot of the moms are.
So it gets good engagement.
But yeah, anywhere on social media at Billboard Chris.
And people can email me through my website as well if you want to get in touch.
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Thanks for coming on, Chris.
That was awesome.
Thanks, brother.
Yep.
See you guys.