James Maslow: The Viral Photo People Still Believe. I Traced the Story (What I Learned) | DSH #1614

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Speaker 3 A lot of these issues, they'd be debunked were you just to take a trip to Israel. It's very easy.
Let's use, you know, apartheid. Probably see that a lot, and it's probably pretty convincing.

Speaker 3 You know, people have spoken about this, like, there's a clear apartheid. 20% of Israel is Arab Muslims.
20%.

Speaker 3 They have the same rights as everyone else. They are in parliament and government.
They are doctors. They are attorneys.
They have the same voting rights.

Speaker 3 So you go there, you'll see Arab Muslims in the IDF protecting Jews because they're neighbors. They just live together.

Speaker 3 Now, they have differences like any human being in any neighbor neighbor does, right? But it's cordial and it's beautiful. There are Christians that live there.
There are Druze that live there.

Speaker 1 Okay, guys, got James back on the show. He's in Vegas with me this time.
He's on tour.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I thought I'd come see you this time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know you're busy, man. You're three months in the tour already, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's been with rehearsals. It's been about three months, and today is the last day of school, as we're putting it.
for a little while. It's the last show on the U.S.
run.

Speaker 3 We take a little break and then we go Europe and beyond.

Speaker 1 So this is the the final U.S.

Speaker 3 Final push. Yeah, one more show tonight, Planet of Hollywood.
So I'm very excited about that. Very excited about the AC.

Speaker 3 I played a lot of amphitheaters this summer, which is a lot of fun, but sometimes you're hitting the stage. Phoenix, Arizona, 100 plus degrees.

Speaker 3 Even at 9 p.m. when you go on.
So tonight will be a treat. Plus, the last one's always a big hurrah.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to be in good shape. We were talking before this.
You lost 30 pounds since I last saw you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and about 20 of those were intentional. 2025.
I put on size with a nutritionist trying to learn. You know, I just want to learn.
I want to keep getting better at everything.

Speaker 3 And the whole goal was also to bulletproof my body for this tour. We do two hours of dancing.
I still throw flips here and again. It's very active.

Speaker 3 And instead of getting worse as I get older, I'm trying to get better. So I put on that size to try and retain some muscle, and I've kept about 10 pounds of muscle.

Speaker 3 But two hours of cardio, five nights a week, three months in. I'm down to about 175 and I want to go up to about 185 for my maintenance weight.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think people realize how tiring it is on stage.

Speaker 1 I just saw Backstreet boys at the sphere and they were sweating by the second song oh yeah it's just look part of it is the physicality right you are dancing and running around but also part of you know the partnership between united airlines and new zealand is so seamless we're finishing each other

Speaker 1 but what does that mean for you oh just all the good stuff like earning miles on every mile you fly and not having to check your bags more than once and that's not to mention our lounges and also our lounges which is double the lounging oh did we mention how much easier it is when you can book all your flights together?

Speaker 1 Hey, that's what I was gonna say. United and in New Zealand.
Two airlines, one way to fly. The family that vacations together stays together.
At least, that was the plan.

Speaker 1 Except now, the dastardly desk clerk is saying he can't confirm your connecting rooms. Wait, what?

Speaker 3 That's right, ma'am. You have rooms 201 and 709.

Speaker 1 No, we cannot be five floors away from our kids. Eh, the doors have double locked, so they'll be fine.
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Speaker 3 But it's just the intention and the focus. Right.
You know, they're such good performers. They care about everything they're doing, every song.

Speaker 3 Plus, you're watching, in my case, three guys, in their case, four other guys. And you're doing so much of this stuff in coordination, you know, in sync.

Speaker 3 Not to throw that one in there, but that's where the name comes from and for good reason. So, yeah, it's a lot of fun, a lot of energy, but you know what? We do get it reciprocated from the audience.

Speaker 3 I gotta say, even on the nights when you're tired, when you have X amount of thousands of fans so happy to see you, screaming and yelling and singing your songs, it does make it easy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could feed off their energy, right? 100%. Yeah, I'm a believer in that.
Was Baxtery someone you looked up to growing up when you were first starting in music?

Speaker 3 No, to be honest.

Speaker 1 I never,

Speaker 3 I mean, I knew of him and I respect him. I respect him more now, you know, as I've, what, 17 years now, been in a boy band.
But it wasn't something like I, like a genre I really listened to.

Speaker 3 I mean, I grew up listening to Sublime and The Offspring and Jack Johnson and like

Speaker 3 just totally different music. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love Sublime, by the way. Me too.
I think they're back, right? The son is performing it now in Vegas. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I got to check that show out.

Speaker 3 I actually got to see Sublime with Rome in Vegas a long time ago.

Speaker 3 One of the first times we played Vegas, we were playing a show, I want to say at the Palms, because they have that outdoor like pool stage, and they were playing at the pool stage.

Speaker 3 So I remember getting off stage, running over to their stage to catch the end of their set, and that was super sick.

Speaker 1 That was when the palms was cracking too. Oh, yeah.
That used to be the number one spot in Vegas, I heard.

Speaker 3 I can see why. We were staying in, that's the place with the Hardwood Suites, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the basketball court.

Speaker 3 We were put up. We had there.
We had the Playboy Suites. Damn.
I stayed in one of those. There's actually a pool.
in the suite that goes from inside to outside. It's a glass pool.

Speaker 3 It is freaky, but it's awesome.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. So you love Vegas performing out here?

Speaker 3 I wouldn't say I love Vegas Vegas in the sense that like I don't gamble. I really don't drink and party almost at all anymore at this point in my life.

Speaker 3 But I do love Vegas for what it is. I mean, this is a random piece of desert that has been turned into this metropolis, this ridiculous playground.
So I am impressed every time I come here.

Speaker 3 The food's amazing. The shows are amazing.
The architecture is amazing. So I have a lot of love for it.
But I was telling you, I lived in Summerlin for a couple of years and I'm glad I did it.

Speaker 3 I had fun, but it's not where I should be full-time.

Speaker 1 Nashville is where you should be. 100%.

Speaker 1 And now you're engaged. Congrats, by the way.

Speaker 3 Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 Starting a new chapter of your life, right?

Speaker 3 It almost feels like a new book, to be honest.

Speaker 3 And I'm very excited about that. You know, I've had an amazing life, an amazing career, and I have so much more life to live and so much more career to build.

Speaker 3 But doing it with her, now we've just built a house together.

Speaker 3 We want to get married in about a year and start a family, God willing. Nice.
So it feels like almost like a whole new book, and I'm very excited. She flew home four or five five days ago.

Speaker 3 So I'm a little jealous because she's just relaxing, sleeping in our bed, hanging out with the dogs in the backyard. But I'll be on the first flight out tomorrow and I get to see her.

Speaker 1 I love it. And you're vlogging with her.
You've been traveling a lot with her, vlogging with her.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we have. We started a YouTube adventures with James and Caitlin.
And truly, it's been a lot of fun. I hadn't really touched YouTube in a long time.

Speaker 3 And she mentioned that something she wants to do. And I think it's really cool.

Speaker 3 to show just a different side of my life, a much more authentic and to some degree vulnerable side of like how we live life and get along. And we're building a supplement company together.

Speaker 3 We're going to start posting a lot more about.

Speaker 3 She's an amazing health coach and there's actually a lot of crossover we're going to be doing. She does events.
She's got an event coming up, I think October 11th in Nashville. Nice.

Speaker 3 And we're going to have hopefully our supplement there, if it's ready in time, regardless, I'll be there. And so it's just so fun to start.

Speaker 3 integrating our lives a little bit more and more often because then we get to see each other more. Yeah.
And we work pretty darn well together.

Speaker 3 Having said that, it's also been nice having a few days off with her on Time.

Speaker 1 It's always interesting trying to bring the personal life into business, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you know, we've been together for almost seven years now.

Speaker 3 And I think we've just set the stage to understand like this is going to work because she knows how I operate. And I was very clear about, hey, you want to do this?

Speaker 3 We can do it together, but here's what I'm going to do and here's what I need you to do. And a lot of it, like the YouTube, she has to pick up the Slack on.
She has to be coming up with the creatives.

Speaker 3 She has to be doing the shot lists. She does the majority of it.
And I'll come in and be there, be ready to go, help with ideation, you know, finance it. But that's kind of our partnership on that.

Speaker 3 And it's working extremely well. She's a smart girl and she understands the assignment.
She's doing it. I'm so proud of her.
So it's cool to say that it's all working really well.

Speaker 1 Well done. Well done.
So the first like five-ish years, were you keeping the business separate from the personal stuff?

Speaker 3 Well, it wasn't even that I was intentionally keeping it separate, but she came into my world. much more than I came into hers, right? She moved in with me, my house in Venice.

Speaker 3 My career started, I'm almost five years older, and I started younger than she started in life. I started paying bills when I was 16, 17 years old.

Speaker 3 And so I was just many years ahead of her in terms of established and career and, you know, what I do. So she very much came into my world.

Speaker 3 And what I like about being in Nashville is Vegas was my choice. She lived in my house in LA.
Vegas was my choice. She didn't like it.
So I said, where do you want to go? She said, Miami.

Speaker 3 So that became more of her choice. I had fun there, but it wasn't right.
But I say all that to say that Nashville was our choice.

Speaker 3 So that was really like, hey, we've proved we work well together. We are aligned.
We keep growing in the same direction.

Speaker 3 And so now it wasn't like we were keeping the business separate, but it just was separate worlds. And now we're combining our worlds.
Yeah. And that's really exciting.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful. Yeah.
You don't strike me as a Miami guy at all.

Speaker 3 You know, look, I like to visit.

Speaker 3 But I wouldn't even say Miami so much anymore. I just like to go to a beach.
You know, and I love being out in the water in a boat. And you can do that in so many places.

Speaker 3 But Miami, I also am just in awe in.

Speaker 3 It really is like the vegas of the east coast in many ways i mean it's on on the water you have so much to do some of the best food in the world again otherwise swear the food in miami is the most expensive of anywhere in the world i'm gonna say it straight up hard stop i might agree with uh it's you're dropping hundreds every meal every meal i'll go out with like just another couple when i was going there and not even drink and it'd be 600 bucks 700 bucks like that's that's absurd that's crazy at a regular restaurant Yeah, that is nuts.

Speaker 3 If you were to think we're being bougie, we're not. Like, that's like just, you know, ordering a steak and an appetizer and like having a nice meal, but that should cost like

Speaker 3 $250, $300 at a nice restaurant elsewhere. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Vegas strip ain't much better, but

Speaker 1 if you're local, you kind of eat off strip, you know.

Speaker 3 And that's the cool part about Vegas. When I was living here in Summerlin, man, there's some of the best food ever because the Vegas chefs have their own restaurants.

Speaker 3 But you get it off the strip. You get a better environment.
You don't have people like smoking and gambling right next to you while you're eating. And it's like at least half the price.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 100%. Congrats on the new single, by the way, Eyes.
What was the story behind that release? And what's the song about?

Speaker 3 I'm very excited. You know, again, part of moving to Nashville is I've been writing more music than I ever have in my life.
And it has re-inspired me as an artist.

Speaker 3 In fact, it has forced me to become a better musician because I'm surrounded by the best in the world, bar none. There's great musicians everywhere.

Speaker 3 But there's something about Nashville where there is just an emphasis on understanding the number system or playing an instrument, musicality.

Speaker 3 The song has to sound good on a guitar or piano before you even go into production.

Speaker 3 And it's just become fun for me again. You know, it's been like a year and a half now.
So while, of course, I still write for Big Time Rush, we've only released one song in the last year.

Speaker 3 And we are going to work on a new album. We're going to have more music.
But if you're writing like I am three times a week on average, there's a lot more story there, a lot more music.

Speaker 3 And so I'm so excited to be doing my own music. And I'm going to keep putting out my own music, hopefully in parallel with the band.

Speaker 3 And Eyes

Speaker 3 felt like the most authentic to me in a lot of ways. First off, it is about Caitlin.

Speaker 3 So if I were to have given Eyes to the band, it would no longer be about Caitlin, right? Because you got people singing about whoever they're thinking about. And I didn't want to change that.

Speaker 3 I wanted to keep it wholesome and original. And it's also in a manner in which I enjoy singing.
So it's a good first song. And I have a bunch more coming out, but I'm real excited about it.

Speaker 3 We have the music video coming out this Friday. Nice.
It's just beautiful. It's just me and a baby grand at a really cool theater in Detroit.

Speaker 3 And one of my favorite film directors who directed my movie, Wolfhound, came and shot that for us. And Caitlin is in it.
So it's just fun, man. I'm having so much fun with music.

Speaker 1 That's beautiful, man. I'm a fan of the simple music videos.
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Speaker 3 I think you'll like it. I mean, it's literally me playing the song and singing, me standing at a mic and singing, then essentially her coming in and being the only audience member.

Speaker 3 And conceptually, that may even sound boring, but what we shot it on was like a complete film crane.

Speaker 3 You know, it brought in half a million dollars worth of glass because Michael Beachate, the director, is just, you know, pulled some favors. He likes doing movies.
And so he made it look cinematic.

Speaker 3 And that's, again, one of my things I get to do with my own personal music, my own personal career, is combine the two worlds that I love most, which is the cinematic world, acting and film, and then music.

Speaker 3 So it's a taste of what's to come. I love it, man.

Speaker 1 You're also doing some music in Hebrew now, too, I saw, right?

Speaker 3 I'm not speaking Hebrew. I did learn to read and write in Hebrew school, but Temple Beth Israel didn't teach me to speak it.
And I feel like I spent enough time there.

Speaker 3 I probably should understand more than I do, but I think that's pretty common in the States. But my next single out is it's called On My Mind.

Speaker 3 And it's a bit of a departure from my sound because I wanted it to feel more like world music, more global.

Speaker 3 And we have two incredible Israeli artists on it. Nice.
So Shakhar Saul is a rapper who just like, he's huge over there, but he's known for his deep voice.

Speaker 3 It's what he did on the song is so cool and just couldn't be nicer. And then we have a pop star named Maya Dadan who's on it, and she's she's singing in Hebrew.
So it's really cool.

Speaker 3 It's mostly in English. I sing in English.
The chorus, they sing with me in English. And then they're rapping and singing in Hebrew.

Speaker 3 It's rad. I hope people really enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to hear that one. Have you ever performed in Israel? No, not yet.
Wow.

Speaker 3 So I hate to dangle carrots, especially to these really fans that might listen to this. We are playing Dubai as the last show on this tour in March.

Speaker 3 And I've asked my team, I'm like, guys, we're three hours away. Is there any way we can play Israel? So I think there's a possibility, but understandably,

Speaker 3 it's hard for a lot of artists to go over there until other artists do it. Artists don't want to do it.
There is still a war going on.

Speaker 3 So I have to understand, even though I've been many times, I know it's safe. There are a lot of local artists, Middle Eastern artists performing right now and thousands of fans and people.

Speaker 3 So I know we could do it, but if for whatever reason the band can't go, I will go and play solo music there for sure.

Speaker 1 Wow, it's not important to you.

Speaker 3 100%. Plus, it's just a great market.
It's fun. Yeah.
Why wouldn't I? The same way I'd love to go back and play in Dubai and the UAE. And I don't discriminate as to where I will go.

Speaker 3 Anywhere that's excited about my music, that is okay with me going and wants me to go, I will go and play music.

Speaker 1 It's so awesome that you have an international audience like that. Like it's almost unreal to think about, right?

Speaker 3 That's a testament to how big the TV show was. It was in over 100 countries.
And that was very much the catalyst for the band.

Speaker 3 So very, very grateful that there are people that know who Big Time Rush is, know who James Maslow is all over the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And now our job is to put on a damn good show every night, as will be my job with my own solo music, to put out great music and perform extremely well each night so that people come, maybe because they know, but then see something that they want to come back and see again.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, next year, I saw you just release the international schedule.
Mexico, Australia, Dubai, like you said. It's impressive.
At Hawaii.

Speaker 3 I'm excited. We're going to play Honolulu.
That's sick.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's really, really cool.
We're going to be playing a lot of places. I know there's a lot of international fans who are.
Grateful we finally released. And I'm sorry it's taking so long.

Speaker 3 And you know what? There might even be more shows we add.

Speaker 1 Nice. Oh, this is the first international tour for you guys?

Speaker 3 Not the first international, but we had been talking about adding shows on this tour for a while.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 3 And again, I hate dangling carrots, but I think we're going to add even more than we've released for the In Real Life tour. It's going to go on a little more.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, man, you're going to be on the road for a long time.

Speaker 3 What about him, though? You know, you sign up

Speaker 3 to be an artist, a musician, whatever it is, with the dream of getting to do what we're doing right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really cool to see all the nostalgic childhood bands I grew up with like reliving their come up almost like the Jonas brothers. They're on a huge tour right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys, it's awesome, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think a lot of people, you know, they relate music. I relate music to moments in my life.
And oftentimes my favorite songs are because they were associated with my favorite moments.

Speaker 3 And with us, whether it's the TV show or the music or both, a lot of our fans feel that way. So this tour in particular, we're giving them more.
of that than we ever have.

Speaker 3 We're actually combining elements of the TV show from our openers, Stephen Kramer-Glickman, who played Gustavo and Caitlin Tarver, who played Joe, to having video content in the show that actually is like pseudo going back into character.

Speaker 3 So fans have been asking for it for years, and we are finally delivering on this tour. I love it.

Speaker 1 What are the odds the show makes a comeback, the TV show?

Speaker 3 Very low, but a movie is in consideration. Okay.
So funny, I gave one interview with a random, I think it was a Cincinnati

Speaker 3 interviewer. And we've all spoken about the fact that we're working on a movie, that we have a script, we've gone down the line, and we're hoping hoping to make one multiple times.

Speaker 3 And for whatever reason, the one interview that I gave went viral and everybody picked up the big time rush is making a movie. And that's great.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's free press, but it's in the world of film and TV, you can't guarantee anything unless we were to put up the $15 or $20 million it would take to make the movie, which doesn't make sense for us.

Speaker 3 It's not our business.

Speaker 3 There's no way to guarantee it's getting made. Having said that, we are working on it.
We hope to make it. We've spent years at this point developing it.
So

Speaker 3 i will say that our show and into it dome the other night we did have some buyers from some big places come and watch the show so hopefully that helped move the needle a little a little bit and maybe it's something we could film next year wow i didn't know it was that much to make a movie 15 to 20 million you can make a movie for two million bucks you can make a movie 400 million bucks depends on what you're trying to make i think mission impossible the recent one was like 400 million like crazy the avatars I think it was over a billion dollars over three movies or something.

Speaker 3 And then independent movies, I mean, there are people that still make movies for half a million or even less.

Speaker 3 But, you know, we would be somewhere, I mean, just kind of guesstimating in that 20 million range based on the effects we want, based on the locations, based on the scale that is necessary to deliver the product that we need.

Speaker 3 You know, they knew the TV show. The TV show costs X amount of money.

Speaker 3 We need to deliver a movie that is competitive with other movies in that space. So yeah, it ain't cheap.
It takes hundreds of people to green light something and make something.

Speaker 3 It really takes an army.

Speaker 1 That makes sense. I was scrolling on your Twitter.
Did you go to the Poconos recently?

Speaker 3 We did. We had a day off in the Poconos.

Speaker 1 It was beautiful, but I had never been. Yeah, I just went there for a wedding last month.
Yeah. Yeah.
Beautiful. Beautiful.
Gorgeous. Yeah, the food was good, too.

Speaker 3 We stayed at this place called Skytop.

Speaker 1 Skytop.

Speaker 3 And no promo here other than it was an amazing resort. Like, I would straight up go back.
They have, like, skate shooting and fishing and like anything you can imagine they have at this place.

Speaker 3 And the food was delicious. We stayed in like a little individual cabin on the property.
Nice. It was so cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, shout out to the Poconos, man. It's underrated for sure because I don't see many people talk about it.

Speaker 3 I mean, maybe you live in the Northeast, right? I'd imagine it's closer. It might be more popular, but I kind of feel the same way about like even aspects of Nashville.

Speaker 3 I don't want to talk about it because I don't want people to come. I think that's what's up with the Poconos.
You know how good it is.

Speaker 1 I think people are catching on in Nashville, though. The real estate seems to be going up over there.

Speaker 3 It's nuts. I'm putting more money into real estate there.
And just a year and a half, I've done well already. It's been nice.
You know, you got to be careful with emerging markets.

Speaker 3 Like, real estate's a big part of my portfolio. Yeah.
Not to overspend and kind of hit that bubble and then be stuck with something that you overpaid for.

Speaker 3 And there's been a little bit of that already in new construction. I've seen that with other builders.

Speaker 3 But look, it's a fantastic place to live because you have everything you could possibly want in a major city.

Speaker 3 Amazing food, some of the best music in the world. You have nightlife.
You've got golf. Like, it just, I don't think of something and it has it.

Speaker 3 But then within 15 minutes of downtown, you're in the country. You're in.
nature and it's peaceful and you have land. You go another 15, 20 minutes, like you're straight up.

Speaker 3 You know, you can can be 10, 20 acres, you're not breaking the bank. Yeah.
So it's, it's, I don't know of another place in the States or even the world that is comparable in that regard.

Speaker 3 And that's why I love it because I live about 20 minutes outside of downtown and we have space.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 I know there's a business side to you that people watching might not even know you have, but it's very impressive. You surround yourself with the right people, man.

Speaker 3 I try, dude. I just try and ask more questions than have answers these days, frankly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Believe it or not.

Speaker 1 Well, a lot of people are good at making money. You're great at making money, but investing is a whole nother strategy, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, that's certainly a way to make money long-term, right?

Speaker 3 Like just having a job and making a paycheck or whatever it is that you do to make your money, believe it or not, at our age, I believe is our biggest asset.

Speaker 3 I was asked that question a long time ago by a mentor. You know, what's your best, your biggest asset? Started going through like, well, my real estate portfolio or this.

Speaker 3 And then eventually you're like, absolutely not. None of that matters.
It's you. It's your ability to make money.
And I think that's true.

Speaker 3 So I think at our age, it's stressed less about how perfect perfect our investments are.

Speaker 3 In fact, I do passive long-term investments that I just believe in compound interest, and I focus on making money.

Speaker 3 But then things that are tangible or things that you enjoy, they kind of become a hobby that can also make money is a way you can spend some of your free time.

Speaker 3 And for me, that's been real estate versus like day trading or something like that. Absolutely no interest.
I have zero interest because to me, that's too much like gambling.

Speaker 3 And I don't like gambling. You know why? My whole career is a gambler to some degree.
And I'd identify that as a young man. So the vast majority of my investments are going to be in index funds.

Speaker 3 They're going to ride the American market. And,

Speaker 3 but real estate is something that while it is still risky here and again, I've learned it and done it so much. I'm more comfortable with it for two reasons.
One, it's tangible. You can touch it.

Speaker 3 You can feel it. You can see it.
Like there's something there that even if shit hits the fan, you've got something of value. And two, it's enjoyable.

Speaker 3 And I believe that I can affect positive change within that investment by picking a better neighborhood, by building a house that, you know, I think is going to be accommodating for the right person in that neighborhood.

Speaker 3 Like I know my research there, even down to decorating, picking the right color and stuff like that. Like I can positively affect change and affect my ability for that ROI to be.

Speaker 3 big yeah versus you go into the stock market and day check you have no control of that all you're doing is risking your money on someone else's talent or someone else's business and some people enjoy that i don't makes sense that's why i like real estate so it sounds like crypto is too risky for you too You know, passive, right?

Speaker 3 Like, I invested in some Bitcoin a while ago, not enough to have changed my life. But like, I follow the hedge funds there.
I got about 2%. Okay.
2%.

Speaker 3 And everything else that wasn't Bitcoin, I consolidated to that. Based on my limited knowledge and limited advice from very smart people, that's kind of where I'm at with that.

Speaker 3 And luckily, I don't need to touch it. And so far, it keeps going up.
But if it were to go away tomorrow, it wouldn't change my life.

Speaker 1 Hey, 2% is not bad. Bitcoin might hit a million one day, they say.
Great. Not bad at all.
That's more than a lot of people.

Speaker 3 100%.

Speaker 1 I think only five percent of the uh global population owns bitcoin right now wow yeah

Speaker 3 you know what hey maybe after this tour i'll buy another coin or two but i mean

Speaker 3 the money on tours is crazy well it isn't it isn't like somebody just i just did this interesting uh it was a country artist or he was sorry he was their country business manager maybe and he was talking about like your average pretty successful country artist he said say they make a million dollars a year sounds like a lot of money but it goes away so fast your production to get everybody there salaries, buses, gas, you have to cover everything up front.

Speaker 3 It's a huge portion of what you make. If you take home 30 to 40 percent of your guarantees, you're doing extremely well.
Most artists don't do that.

Speaker 3 So already you're down to three or four hundred thousand dollars there.

Speaker 3 And then you have commissions, manager, 10 to 15 percent, business manager, five percent, agent who booked it, 10 percent.

Speaker 3 You're giving away about 30 percent pretty damn fast before you've paid taxes. Then you're paying taxes.

Speaker 3 So you can see how that million dollars got down to like one or two two hundred grand, maybe if you're smart. Wow.

Speaker 3 But of course, the nice thing about then scaling your guarantees and scaling the size of places is your overhead from there to then two, three, four, five, ten million dollars doesn't necessarily need to change relative to the increase in money you're making.

Speaker 3 Point is, once you've paid for it, you've paid for it. So the longer you tour and the more you can make and merch and guarantees, then you can start making real money.

Speaker 1 Got it. So there's like a sweet spot that once you kind of get there, you're kind of set, right?

Speaker 3 And you just have to have smart people around you, you know, especially like in my world, we split it four ways.

Speaker 3 You really have to be smart about it because everybody's families need to be taken care of. So we have an amazing team, our management, shout out faculty management, Jared Paul.

Speaker 3 He's the first person that I went to and had a conversation about truly bringing this thing back together. And he's been our partner from day one.

Speaker 3 And we're very lucky to have him and have his team because they understand this is a business. We need to give the fans an amazing show and you cannot cut corners there.

Speaker 3 But there are ways to make sure you're also not overspending like a lot of artists and you come off of a massive tour and have no money and you wonder why.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 We're very lucky to have a team that has helped us avoid that.

Speaker 1 Do you know ballpark numbers, like what the percent breakdown is with merch, the actual ticket sales and all that?

Speaker 3 I mean, generally speaking, like

Speaker 3 merch people think like, again, merch, merch, a takeaway from your merch is if you made, back to the 40% mark is pretty good. Okay.
Because you have the cost of goods itself, right?

Speaker 3 Has to be paid back. But then what you don't, people don't factor in is the cost of getting merch to venues.
You're paying for trucks. You're paying for staff.
You're paying for gas.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 So again, you know, if you sell a million dollars in merch, your take-home might be 400 grand. That can be a great business.
But generally speaking, merch is a tough,

Speaker 3 merch is a tough business, and it's not where emerging artists make a lot of money. You have to be selling so much, such volume to make money there.

Speaker 3 Just because the less you buy, the more expensive it is. Then you go print on demand like a lot of artists have to do because there's no upfront cost.
And oh my God, they hit you with so many fees.

Speaker 3 You're not getting 40% of that. You're getting 5%.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it's more of a marketing tool when you're starting out. And I think artists need to realize that.
You need to have it and you should have it. And you want your fans buying it.

Speaker 3 You want them wearing it and promoting it. But

Speaker 3 it's something that once it's massively scaled, it certainly is a part of the business. But the business has changed.
You know, it used to be you went on tour to sell albums. Now it's the opposite.

Speaker 3 You make albums so you can go on tour. Touring is really the only way that most artists make money.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. So if you don't ever get to the tour level, it's really hard to make a living, basically.
It's very hard. Damn.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah i remember the days that you had to buy a dollar a song right on iTunes growing up and you guys got a large piece of that

Speaker 3 we didn't at the time because of our deal you know with Sony and that was when we were starting out but we were lucky to sell physical albums like we were one of the last acts that actually have platinum albums that's really cool to see to say and to see on my wall I mean it's it's it's fantastic you know and then the streaming game is a whole nother game that Heck, I'm learning more going into this as a solo artist than I am even with Big Time Rush as a band because we just haven't tackled it.

Speaker 3 We get great streams regardless. We have a big audience, but we are certainly far from the top.

Speaker 3 But it's not necessarily important for our touring business. So that's something we want to do next.
We want to really give

Speaker 3 radio and streaming and radio intertwined, but not the same. We want to give it a good run.
We need the right song. We need the right capital.

Speaker 3 We need the right partner, you know, whether that's a label or otherwise. Haven't had to do it, but as a band, we very much want to do it.

Speaker 3 So again, on my own, as I'm starting to do this, just independently, no label, I'm learning a lot more about marketing.

Speaker 3 Like even on my social media, it's like, dude, I'm so proud of the fact that now, like, I have extremely good reach when I put out personal music and personal content.

Speaker 3 It's beating big time rush content

Speaker 3 sometimes. Not every time, but the fact that it even competes is a testament to me going, hey, how do I use this marketing tool?

Speaker 3 Like, instead of just hating on social media, which I did for years, or just do it, it's fucking hard. You got to put a lot of work into it.
Change my mindset, change my tactics. And

Speaker 3 now it's it's actually kind of fun. And especially since I have so many people hating on me regardless for being Jewish,

Speaker 3 which is not entirely false. I'm being a little dramatic as I say that.
It has actually made it in some ways more fun for me because I have no pressure to impress anybody.

Speaker 3 I don't need to be liked by everybody.

Speaker 3 I would rather be truly liked, admired, respected, loved by a smaller group of people for who I am, what I believe in. including the music I'm making, than like, yeah, half-assed liked by everybody.

Speaker 1 Respect. I was scrolling on your Instagram right before this.
You get phenomenal engagement. Some of your videos, over a thousand comments.

Speaker 1 I saw you sprinkle in the Israel stuff once about once every two weeks, right? You'll make a video.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's honestly a matter of having the time to do it. And I want to prioritize it because it's a priority to me.
It's important. But I also have several businesses to run.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And it's tough. It's like there isn't even a part of me that knows.
Like, I

Speaker 3 often get a lot of support on what I'm posting. And after doing it for so long now, almost two years, I was seeing it trend to just be so much more support.

Speaker 3 And then I posted something just a couple of days ago that was, you know,

Speaker 3 Hamas versus the IDF.

Speaker 3 And by the way, part of that's a tactic, right? You put it there so that people look at that and want to see it, you know?

Speaker 3 And it's not me trying to stir the pop, but you have to hook people into even watching the content at all.

Speaker 3 And unfortunately, for whatever reason, this one got less reach, but then more hate. It got like a ton of hate.
And I'm laughing about it now, but I'm human. I'm affected by that.

Speaker 3 And what broke my heart made me, you know, bummed, and I called my dad and talked to him about it for a while, is my intention in doing this is nothing but bringing people together.

Speaker 3 It's nothing but spreading awareness from a perspective that I don't think a lot of people have.

Speaker 3 And that perspective is somebody who has been to Israel multiple times, including two times since October 7th.

Speaker 3 That perspective is someone who's Jewish, but it's also someone whose best friends are Iranian. My two best friends growing up, Donish and Amir.

Speaker 3 And I just actually was hanging out with Donish on my show in San Diego. Shout out, buddy.
CJ Charles Jeweler. I love it.
That's where he's been working since high school and he's crushing it.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I'm far from an expert in any of this, but I do happen to have a lot of unique experiences. Happen to have been studying this even since Judaica studies as a kid.

Speaker 3 And so when I see misinformation out there and I see blatant lies and propagandas that then smart people are believing because there's more of that than there is the truth.

Speaker 3 I absolutely feel compelled to stand up.

Speaker 3 And what breaks my heart is that there are a lot of people, especially in these comments in particular, that I noticed where I'm like, some are bots, right? But some didn't appear to be.

Speaker 3 Some were like people that are probably otherwise caring and smart and great.

Speaker 3 And they really believe that I'm wrong and I'm bad and I'm the evil one for doing this stuff to some degree. And that's unfortunate.
But Again, you can't appease everybody.

Speaker 3 And I hope if they look past the surface level, in fact, I doubt they even watched the video, is the truth.

Speaker 3 They probably saw the headline and just, again, went to, I'm just going to attack him because he's a Zionist or attack him because he's Jewish. That's the part of it that's shitty.

Speaker 3 And that's the part of it that makes me feel a little less personally attacked by it. Because anybody who actually watched through it, that video in particular, would talk about

Speaker 3 my empathy and sympathy for what's happening to Palestinians, what's happening to the Gazans that are in a war zone that is very much probably one of the worst places to live on this earth right now

Speaker 3 but hey most people aren't going to even even watch it you know in fact i'll give you kind of a funny example of that my buddy amir i'm gonna give him a little right now i had posted a video i don't know six or eight months ago uh entitled free iran

Speaker 3 and It went into essentially freeing Iran from the IRGC,

Speaker 3 talking about how 80% or more of the Iranian people are amazing people who don't want this crazy terrorist leadership they've had since the 70s.

Speaker 3 And it goes into detail in a lot of interesting ways. And Amir messaged me after I posted that, went, You're wrong, bro.

Speaker 3 Iran's an amazing place. And I freaking, my heart sank.

Speaker 3 My heart sank. I'm like, what did I say that was wrong? I try and fact-check as much as I can.
I literally got so embarrassed and I went and immediately re-watched the video.

Speaker 3 Then I message him.

Speaker 1 I went,

Speaker 3 Did you watch the whole video?

Speaker 3 Five minutes later, oh, my bad, bro. Great video.
Fuck you, bro.

Speaker 3 One of my best friends in the world. But if my best friend, you know, one of my best homies, and you know, he was so supportive.
He's like, oh, no, you were spot on.

Speaker 3 Sorry, I just saw the headline, you know? But if he is susceptible as a human being to seeing something and immediately having a reaction and reacting to it and saying a comment, then we all are.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You know, and I do believe a lot of it comes from that.

Speaker 1 100%. They've done studies on like what percentage of people actually read the full news article versus the headline.

Speaker 1 And I think it's like 70, 80% just read the headline and then they move on with their day.

Speaker 3 Well, and that's a problem with

Speaker 3 the vast majority of news outlets, right?

Speaker 3 I believe it was the New York Times. Don't quote me on that.

Speaker 3 Could have been pretty sure it was the New York Times that posted the famine in Gaza and had that famous now picture of what looked like an emaciated child being held.

Speaker 3 And something like 400 million people saw that headline.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 And then a journalist went in and showed the original photo. The mother, first of all, in the photo is healthy.
She's like, well, that's a little strange. How she not starving with the baby is.

Speaker 3 And then the brother, completely healthy. And then the father in the photo, completely healthy.
And it turns out that the child has a preexisting condition, multiple conditions.

Speaker 3 And it was complete propaganda that they eventually had to retract. But if 400 million people saw the original headline, you know, many people saw the retraction, it was around 300,000.

Speaker 3 And so people would to this day still use that photo as reference for why I'm wrong and why there is starvation, why there, we can get into the nuances, of course, there is some degree of starvation, but there's also two million tons of aid have been put into Gaza.

Speaker 3 That is a ton per person in Gaza. Hasn't been distributed.
There's reasons for that. And so there is still hunger, but there is not this mass starvation that people believe.
There simply isn't.

Speaker 3 And that photo is one of the reasons why people are outraged. Because if that photo were true or worse, if that photo were the norm, you should be outraged.

Speaker 3 But that photo in particular was completely made up for the sake of

Speaker 3 eliciting sympathy for a terrorist organization. And that's where I get frustrated by this.
I'm like, guys,

Speaker 3 stop conflating Israelis' government with Israelis, first of all, or with Jews in general. It's like saying every American is a fan of Trump or every American is a fan of Biden.
Like, use your head.

Speaker 3 We're different people. We live here.
We're Americans, but we're not the government. And also stop conflating.
the Gazan people and Palestinians with Hamas.

Speaker 3 They do run the government in Gaza and they do run the military in Gaza, and they were voted in. They killed about 1,500 people to get voted in, but

Speaker 3 they were voted in. And at the time, I'm sure a lot of people believed it'd be good for them.

Speaker 3 But I have a hard time believing that most Gazans or Palestinians actually want them to be their leadership today, having seen what they've done with the country or the place.

Speaker 3 So again, this in and of itself is a lot of information and is very confusing to people because it is a very confusing narrative, right?

Speaker 3 Like Hamas doesn't govern the West Bank or Judea, Samaria, because the PA, the Palestinian authorities said, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 We have our issues and our differences with Israel and they certainly do, but they didn't want a terrorist organization to run.

Speaker 3 So even within Palestinians as a whole or Palestine, whatever you, there are huge, huge differences.

Speaker 3 And I fear that most people with the loudest voices don't actually understand these.

Speaker 3 And I would love to speak to anybody who has a difference of opinion that is willing to talk to me without just yelling and screaming.

Speaker 3 And that's where I kind of get, I have to draw the line of, I'll create content that I believe is helpful.

Speaker 3 And if you want to say something different in the comments, I will do my best to respond to it and learn from you.

Speaker 3 You want to have a conversation, but you just want to yell and scream that I should die for being a Zionist, that's not exactly helpful now, is it?

Speaker 1 I'd love to set up a cordial debate with you, no yelling aloud, if you'd be open to it. Absolutely.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I've been moderating some debates, trying to get to the bottom of the truth. Because I think this war will go down as like the biggest propaganda war of all time at the moment.

Speaker 1 Because right now, like, I don't know what to believe when I see it on social media, dude. And I feel like I'm

Speaker 1 pretty educated, but still, you got to question everything.

Speaker 1 Especially with AI and like, you know,

Speaker 1 who's paid off these days, you never know.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 I have such sympathy for your position and for most people's positions because of that.

Speaker 3 But the one thing I will say, like, when it comes to the majority of a lot of these issues, they'd be debunked were you just to take a trip to Israel.

Speaker 3 It's very easy. Let's use, you know, apartheid.
You probably see that a lot. And it's probably pretty convincing.
You know, people have spoken about this, this, like there's a clear apartheid.

Speaker 3 20% of Israel is Arab Muslims.

Speaker 3 20%. It's pretty high.
They have the same rights as everyone else. They are in parliament, in government.
They are doctors. They are attorneys.
They have the same voting rights.

Speaker 3 So you go there, you know, you'll see Arab Muslims in the IDF protecting Jews because they're neighbors.

Speaker 3 They just live together. Now, they have differences like any human being in any neighbor does, right? But it's cordial and it's beautiful.
There are Christians that live there.

Speaker 3 There are Druze that live there.

Speaker 3 And so when you go there, you can see with your own eyes, you just realize, oh, well, that's not true. That's a complete lie.

Speaker 3 There's so many other examples of this that are just would be so easy for the world to see where they'd be there.

Speaker 3 But again, a lot of people speaking it out online, they've never even been to the Middle East. Most of the people haven't left their town.
Doesn't make their opinion not valid.

Speaker 3 And I'm not trying to be rude as I say this, but

Speaker 3 sure as shit makes it a little less valid.

Speaker 3 Like you want to speak from experience. You want to speak from history.
You want to speak from people who are professionals in the field. And

Speaker 3 anywho, I wish it were a little bit simpler, but there's so much emotion based in most people's conversations that it is clouding judgment and it's clouding the ability for people to actually talk, listen, learn, and for something, some positive change for all sides and all people to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I like what you said. I think you should speak from experience.
Obviously, do research too, but you want to get as close to the source as possible when you're gathering information also.

Speaker 1 I think the people speaking are so far removed, you know what I mean, that they're not getting facts sometimes.

Speaker 3 And if you're that passionate about it, book a flight. Guess what? You're allowed to go there.
We're not allowed to go to a lot of places. A lot of, you can't just walk into Gaza.

Speaker 3 You can't just, you know, and it's not because there's a war there now.

Speaker 3 But they'll kill you for a difference of opinion. You know, they'll kill you if you're gay.
It's legal. And so, like, the gays for Gaza thing, for example, I'm just like, guys,

Speaker 3 come on. Back to question for you.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 How many countries in the Middle East are you legally allowed to be gay in?

Speaker 1 I would imagine it's a very low number, so I'll just guess like two.

Speaker 1 One.

Speaker 1 Which one is it? It's Israel.

Speaker 3 It's Israel. Okay.
It's the only country where you can legally be gay. It's actually one of the gay capitals of the world, Tel Aviv.
You can be anything you want.

Speaker 3 You can celebrate anything you want, any religion, any sexuality. And it is encouraged.
It is loved. It is promoted.
And anybody with a difference of opinion just has that difference of opinion. But

Speaker 3 it's against the law everywhere else in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 What happened to you?

Speaker 3 Oh, it's punishable by death. Holy shit.
You'll get thrown off a building. You'll get stoned to death.

Speaker 3 I mean, if not, you'll go to jail at the very least. But people don't realize, you know how many gay Palestinians Israel has allowed in to keep them alive?

Speaker 3 That's what's crazy to me is Israel is actually one of the most, and the people, and the Israelis in general, if I can speak so boldly as to speak for them, are some of the most liberal, peaceforward people I have ever met.

Speaker 3 They do not want to be at war. They want to smoke weed and be gay and live life.
And I mean, I'm talking about more of like the Tel Aviv and the less religious aspect, but...

Speaker 3 And I say that, you know, somewhat in jest, but not really. Like, they're just the most chill, peaceful, they're like a bunch of hippies.

Speaker 3 And like anybody who's Israeli listening to this is going to laugh, you know, because people picture like Mossad, you know, almost like we picture American military.

Speaker 1 They're not like that at all.

Speaker 3 In fact, most

Speaker 3 IDF soldiers are people that have to go and serve. They do it because they know they have to, but they don't want to.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 They're forced to because it's a small country. They respect it.
They do it. But I mean, you know, you have to serve living over there.

Speaker 1 At least a year or two, right?

Speaker 3 Two as a woman, three as a man, I believe, is what it is right now.

Speaker 3 But anyways, again, it's like I just say all this stuff because people have this image based on so much propaganda online that would be so easily changed and improved, dare I say, if they're just take a trip.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Go over there.
Well, no matter what side you're on for people watching this, I respect you for speaking out because there's a lot of people in your situation that just stay silent.

Speaker 3 I appreciate that. And I also want to say that I respect anybody who is speaking out for Palestinians and for the people of Gaza because they are living in terrible conditions.

Speaker 3 However, I would encourage you to shift your blame from Israel. to Hamas.
That is why they're in terrible conditions.

Speaker 3 Israel has been and will be there to continue to support aid and support the Palestinian people as soon as this war is over and the war ends when Hamas is gone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did see some, I don't know if this is true, but

Speaker 1 Hamas was stealing all the food and then upselling it for a higher price.

Speaker 3 It's been true the entire war. It's been proven now.
But when you're over there, you've known it to be true. That's why the, oh, what's the terminology? The GH, saying it wrong.

Speaker 3 They have an entire force now that was led by Americans, at least initially, but I believe there's still a lot of Americans over there, whose job is to distribute aid. I'm blanking on the name, GHD.

Speaker 3 And since that's happened two or three months ago, now aid is actually getting dispersed safely because we have armed Americans and armed Israelis making sure that it goes there.

Speaker 3 There's still aid being stolen. And worse yet, there's still a massive quantity of aid not being distributed.
The UN has entirely failed the people of Gaza.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 There is thousands of tons of aid rotting away across in Gaza that's not being distributed. Now, why, I can't speak to, but it's horrible.

Speaker 3 Like I said, Israel just delivered their two millionth ton of aid.

Speaker 3 That is one ton of aid per person in Gaza over the course of this war. By the way, they have no obligation to deliver any of these.
They were attacked. But I'm glad they are.

Speaker 3 And so, and you know, another thing that pisses me off is the vast majority of countries that called for them to stop the blockade that didn't exist by them, it existed by Hamas,

Speaker 3 have never delivered aid themselves.

Speaker 3 Israel has been the only one doing it. Now there are several other countries also contributing, but nowhere near the quantity.

Speaker 3 So name me another war where the country who was attacked is providing such large, if any, aid to their attackers.

Speaker 1 Can't think of any. It doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 And again, I am not saying that Israel has it all figured out. Their government is just as fucked up as ours, if not more, because that's human nature, right? And I want nothing to do with that.

Speaker 3 I don't want to be a spokesperson for any of that. I want to be a spokesperson for peace.

Speaker 3 And I want to be a spokesperson against this anti-Semitism that just seems like the easy scapegoat for any of this. But like, guys, use your brain.

Speaker 3 Don't just take the easy route and blame the Jews, which people have done for 4,000 years because it's not the Jews. I'm sure there are some Jews that do bad things.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 it should be the world against terrorism.

Speaker 3 That is it. The world for peace, for all people who want peace and against terrorism.
Let's unite there. Let's start a conversation there and we will be friends.
We can talk about anything.

Speaker 1 I can't even imagine your DMs. You must get so much anti-Semitism in there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's a bummer. Like, again, I get the ones that are like blatant death threats that to me are almost comedic because they're so silly.

Speaker 3 The ones that bum me out are ones that, whether they're like fans of mine or big time rush or not, and there's not many of these.

Speaker 3 But the ones that I kind of think, eh, if they really are a fan and now they're saying that they're so disappointed and don't want to come because of this, that does bum me out because I'm trying to do right.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to do right by my people, Jews, Americans. Those are my people.
I'm not Israeli, but I have a lot of love for Israel, a lot of friends over there, trying to do right by them.

Speaker 3 Also, trying to do right by everybody that's affected by this war on the other side as well, Palestinians and Gazans. And

Speaker 3 people don't want to listen to this part of the podcast or they don't want to believe it.

Speaker 3 And maybe I've said things that have pissed people off, but I think it's probably because they haven't watched the full clip.

Speaker 1 Right. Truly.

Speaker 3 So those things, you know, I hope anybody who listens to this might feel a little bit different.

Speaker 3 But you know what? Again,

Speaker 3 can't please everyone, nor do I have the energy or the time or the ability to even try.

Speaker 1 Bars. Well, James, I hope you have a great show tonight and the rest of the tour.
Thanks so much. Anything else you want to close off with? We'll also link your single in the video.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's focus on that. Eyes is out now.
Music video is coming out. What might be out by the time this comes out? And then I might as well plug On My Mind.
with Shakhar Saul and Maya Dadon.

Speaker 3 That's fun as well. That's going to be coming out, I think, around October 3rd.

Speaker 1 Beautiful.

Speaker 3 So, just listen to some new music. Hope you guys like it.
A lot more to come. Awesome.

Speaker 1 We'll link the vlogs below with your wife as well. Or, yeah, soon to be wife.

Speaker 3 Soon-to-be wife. Adventures with James and Caitlin.
That's fun.

Speaker 1 We're gonna be doing a lot more of those. Awesome.
Check them out, guys. See you next time.
Peace.

Speaker 3 Thanks, guys.

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