JD & Britney Lott: We Live in a Bus with 10 Kids. Why Downsizing Saved Our Family | DSH #1607

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Speaker 2 Down And I'll be honest, there are plenty of weird kids in public school. That doesn't matter where you are.
I mean, weird is relative to your perspective, I guess. It's illegal then.

Speaker 2 So, in all fairness, they're hiding my purpose every day. Your kids are going to be as weird as you are.

Speaker 2 At the end of the day, if you're constantly realizing that you don't have it all figured out, yeah, you may have like some personality things that are unique to your family or bringing, but ultimately, like, that's just a value judgment based on you don't fit in with what I think the idea is.

Speaker 2 Okay, guys, got JD and Brittany here. We are in Las Vegas.
They're about to speak at Bitcoin Conference. Family of 10.
Really unique story. Thanks for coming on, guys.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 Family of Ten, but lives in an RV. I should have added that part, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. That was an interesting story, you know? Yeah.
I mean, less is more. Yeah, we used to have a big house,

Speaker 2 cars, and all that kind of stuff. And

Speaker 2 we used to live in a 7,200 square foot house. Damn, man.

Speaker 2 Well, and I mean, it's just like everything's bigger in Texas. Yeah.
Right. But, uh, you know, just we felt like we were pursuing things that ultimately don't carry like meaning.

Speaker 2 And uh,

Speaker 2 we were just inspired. We, uh, I, I built, I converted a Air Force base bus to an RV.

Speaker 2 And I, uh, I've always been kind of hands-on, but I cut the roof off of it and raised it two feet, welded it together, did the plumbing, electric.

Speaker 2 We got the designer designer over here to make it look beautiful nice built me a bunkhouse for all my kids in the back baby

Speaker 2 we built a uh we we put a tub in there because we thought we were bringing her grandma with us she was living she was living with us at the time and she is an awesome lady and she really wanted to go so yeah it was it was it's a cool bus that's awesome i was gonna say i can't stand in a bus you raised it two feet oh yeah you can you can stand on our bus this one again yeah definitely yeah you're you're pretty tall six six yeah yeah wow yeah when i went to high school i could not stand on that bus man i'm five ten and three quarters and i'll tell people 5'11 all day long you have to round up as a guy yeah for sure right do girls do that two-foot roof raise uh no you round down or round up well she told me i round seven for a while but i measured her damn called her out i did she wasn't five seven i think she's five five and a half no whoa

Speaker 2 thank you very much but yeah

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Speaker 2 Well, as you age, you do lose some inches, I heard. I don't know what that shit is.

Speaker 2 That could play a role. This girl has had eight of my children her body that's a lot you go and women are impressive very

Speaker 2 yeah you going for double digits you want 10 yeah what 20 20 would be nuts gosh you'd have to adopt at that point i think oh no man we're just

Speaker 2 Franking them out now. Okay, now let's not volunteer.

Speaker 2 I think it's more just, you know, what will God give us? That's kind of it. It's not a number, okay? It's never been about a number.
I love it.

Speaker 2 Here's the deal I feel like people have this perception of family but it's like it's not based in their own personal experience family unless they maybe have some baggage because uh maybe the parenting what one of our mantras is mantras is we want to give our kids tools not baggage right yeah to develop like healthy relationships it requires like time and effort You can't outsource that to other people.

Speaker 2 Like we all have an innate need to be valued. And if you're not willing to do that for your, for your children, whom you are the one that cares most about them,

Speaker 2 who is, right? At that point, they just become like a whiteboard for everybody else's values and truths. And then they have to navigate that as they get older.
Yeah. So for us,

Speaker 2 insofar as deciding how many kids we wanted to have, you know, when we hit three kiddos, I was, I said, Brittany, like, what are we doing? We're just going to have kids forever. Right.

Speaker 2 Keep in mind, we're also like young, early 20s. We got married young.
So it was, he was like, oh my gosh, I'm looking at you thinking this could

Speaker 2 get

Speaker 2 we could get, we could get crazy fast. And it did, huh? Yeah, it did, you know, and then, um, uh,

Speaker 2 but it's been, you know, parenting is more about the growth of the parent than the child.

Speaker 2 Like if you're willing to

Speaker 2 take

Speaker 2 the responsibility of parenting seriously, it's going to literally be the most rewarding thing that you ever do in your life. Wow.
So, we

Speaker 2 transition in a lot of ways

Speaker 2 to being legacy-minded. This is a concept that you don't hear about or think about in mainstream.
So, like, every kind of to just put a pin on the last thought or wrap it up is

Speaker 2 you know, most people's perspective of family is what they see in the culture writ large, and

Speaker 2 also shaded or jaded by their own personal experience.

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 like as a child

Speaker 2 or money problems or whatever. But it's really the most powerfully transformative experience in the world to have kids.
I'm excited for it. Willing to take it seriously.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Getting married this year. Oh, congratulations.
Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 2 That's amazing. Hopefully within a year or two, you know, the first one.
Yeah. I'm really excited.
That's very exciting. Just encourage people, like, don't have your mind made up about

Speaker 2 how many kids you're going to have. Like, why do you have to do that? I mean, just like, you're still learning where I'm still learning.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 I just feel like if you have your mind made up on how many kids you have, it's not because of information that you have from experience. It's from information that you have from your environment.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.
Like maybe your environment as a child is rough or whatever, or maybe you're the culture around you has created this idea in your mind that you should have X many kids.

Speaker 2 Cause we get a lot of flack. People come up and say rude stuff from time to time.
Really? Well, yeah. Just for having a lot of kids? Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, yeah. How do you hate on that?

Speaker 2 That's so weird. It depends on what state you're into.
It's also like, you know, do you get a lot of love too? You get a lot of love. Some places are a lot more welcoming, excited.

Speaker 2 We get a lot of people that come out, go, oh, my goodness, I'm one of 10. I never see a big family.
It's so good to see you. And I always ask, you know, what number are you?

Speaker 2 And ironically, they're always like middle or lower. They're more than happy to be here.
Wow.

Speaker 2 They're like, I'm number seven i'm number whatever you know and i'm just like you know yeah it is kind of i'm glad your parents didn't stop at the two that americans have you know

Speaker 2 i was just saying like our grandparents generation that was a normal amount of kids to have absolutely eight kids but now it's feeling like it gets less and less there's some reasons i think that that is um and i think you know ultimately

Speaker 2 It comes from people not taking the family relationship,

Speaker 2 like treating it with as much respect and seriousness, and then that trickles down, right? Yeah. It's like if you if you don't like raise your kids well because you're too,

Speaker 2 and you know, these are just broad generalizations, but if you don't raise your kid well, for example, because you're pursuing your own professional career,

Speaker 2 again, they're going to have that deficit of feeling valued. And they're going to have that perspective that like family isn't as, isn't what everybody,

Speaker 2 isn't as positive as you know people make it out to be right or but I think it's completely the opposite I think that when you actually

Speaker 2 we decided we're gonna have the kids we were intended to have we don't want to extinguish life like this is the life that we're living in we'll we'll see where it takes us and it's been amazing

Speaker 2 I wish more people thought that way, honestly, yeah, but a lot of people don't value family like they used to. I agree with that.
I see it in my generation for sure.

Speaker 2 Like they'll leave after college, not even call their parents. And

Speaker 2 yeah, that's normal, I feel like. Why do you think that is

Speaker 2 social media plays a role? Um,

Speaker 2 plus, they're just not present, I think. Everyone's on their phone.
I actually was watching an interview of you guys. None of your kids have phones, right? Yeah, none of them have phones.

Speaker 2 That's like unheard of these days. Yeah, yes, you know, kids are getting phones at like six years old.
Yeah. First grade.

Speaker 2 Which is, which is, I mean, for one thing,

Speaker 2 I mean, we're from the generation that phones were not around like that whenever I was six. That wasn't an option for my parents, you know?

Speaker 2 Cell phones didn't become part of mainstream until I was 16. Yeah.
I was well into high school. So that wasn't, you know, my childhood, we were all outside already.
You know, I have the mindset.

Speaker 2 I want my kids to look up at the sky, not down at a phone. That's when I look at them.

Speaker 2 I'd much rather than be curious about the world around them versus living vicariously through whatever is playing on that screen.

Speaker 2 I want them to experience it. So that's kind of led a lot to our like vision of our family

Speaker 2 and being present. I see your point, what you're saying, like we're missing out a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's interesting though, because all of the tech creators, when you look at their families, they don't let their kids have phones.

Speaker 2 They send their kids to schools that have like no screens that are like all wooden toys and stuff like that, right? Why?

Speaker 2 You know, so why are we laying onto our children? Like, it's like, you know, I'm talking about like the CEO of,

Speaker 2 you know, Alphabet, right? And, you know, there's just a handful of people that they understand the implications of technology.

Speaker 2 Here's the other thing. You're constantly nowadays, like we curate our information flow, right? And

Speaker 2 a lot of times the information that we, you know. Select for ourselves is the information that makes us feel good, right?

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Speaker 2 As much as they can for the least cost.

Speaker 2 But that's a very high time preference mindset because there's always a cost. If you're like, if you're consuming illicit materials, if you're, it's shaping your perspective.
It's, it's, it's

Speaker 2 altering the way that you see the world and what your desires are. And it can have really serious implications.

Speaker 2 So it's not only just about technology per se, but it's just about living living your life and

Speaker 2 based on what, what, what are you actually, what are your real values? Like, do you take, have you sat down, take the time, taking the time to realize, like, what do I want? Where are my goals?

Speaker 2 What do I want in life? And I think that when you do that, you can start to tailor your life experience in a way that shapes you toward the path that you want to be on. Yeah.
Yeah. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 I just had on the CEO of Prague or U. They get a billion views a year and her kids don't have phones.
Yeah. So it's, it's, it's common with people like you're talking about in the tech space.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I can totally be a tool. It's not like my kids don't use the internet.
We take some homeschool extracurricular classes.

Speaker 2 It's not like, you know, I get that question, oh, you kids don't have a phone, so they're going to be super weird.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, well, you know,

Speaker 2 they're going to be as weird as we let them be. I mean, weird as we are, right?

Speaker 2 There's plenty of kids and I was, you know, went to public school and wasn't part of the popular crowd. And I'll be honest, there are plenty of weird kids in public school.

Speaker 2 That doesn't matter where you are right yeah um and weird is relative to your perspective i guess right which is another americation well kids when i was in high school same yeah i used to think they're weird but it's like it's like it was also illegal then so in all fairness they were hiding my purpose yeah every day was it actually illegal actually illegal wow

Speaker 2 when i think it was like depending on the state i mean you're look you're talking into like the early 90s damn so yeah you had kids you had parents that were nervous about i can't even take my kid in public during the day because i might find a truancy officer or whatever yeah you know, it's a validity that, like you said, your kids are going to be as weird as you are.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, like at the end of the day, if you're, if you're constantly realizing that you don't have it all figured out and you see the value of, you know, cherishing other people and the relationships that you have with them and improving and seeking truth, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you may have like some personality things that are unique to your family or upbringing, but ultimately, like,

Speaker 2 that's just a value judgment based on you don't fit in with what I think the ideal is right now there's no correlation to is necessarily a desirable ideal anymore I think it's it's gotten so far off pace that everybody's just like

Speaker 2 like kind of disillusioned

Speaker 2 yeah I mean there's no correlation of being weird and happiness

Speaker 2 just don't know out there yeah I've never heard that I love weird people these days I think normal people are a red flag yeah because they're not being themselves where's the uniqueness where's the vision I can see that you know yeah i want people to be their authentic self and that might come across as weird but at least they're being themselves you know yeah if they're being normal they're just conforming to society pretending to be someone they're not which is how i used to live that's a valuable insight for sure i think that's really neat yeah well public school kind of force you into that because you got to find your click yeah well and i think too you when you go to public school so like we're both raised you know by the public schools i say raised because you know where do you spend all your time parenting for example is like like it's about putting in the work right so if you're not willing to put in the work like your your children are basically even are being raised by their peer group right yeah um like not even teachers like oh that love their teachers who cares about what their teachers are because like in school you have to teach to the lowest common denominator and generally speaking it's behaviorally based whether it's academically you know hey we can't we can't focus on how much attention you need because we got to catch other people up you know there's an academic component to it but then also like behaviorally you know when when you're in a group and somebody comes up and start acting starts acting boisterous and rowdy and disrespectful it lowers the whole groups you know vibe yeah right and i think there's uh a lot of challenge there uh as well with with that type of a setting so it just

Speaker 2 where the time is spent is has a is a higher correlation with with a person's development in my opinion like if you want to dig a treasure out of the ground you have have to move the dirt

Speaker 2 are you going to pay somebody else to move the dirt you know are you going to do it yourself because i mean nobody cares more about your kids than you do and um they're going to absorb

Speaker 2 values and uh perspectives and worldviews that um are in their environment in which they're being

Speaker 2 trained or raised or yeah or whatever good point you got me thinking about the nanny i'm going to hire i got to really do some vetting on that one. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, family's a good nanny, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's also a great way to reestablish bonds that maybe have been kind of left loose and hanging.

Speaker 2 Thankfully we can all find a way.

Speaker 2 If it matters enough to you, you can make it happen, you know? Yeah. Hopefully we can restore some of the relational challenges in our own personal families.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's interesting looking at family and how different countries treat it. Like in Asia, like you live with your grandparents.
That's normal.

Speaker 2 But out here, it's like, I don't know, kind of shunned upon, I guess. Moving in your grandparents.
Have you guys noticed that? That's what we're hoping to change with our generation. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Family legacies is like just this thing that I've become really passionate about.

Speaker 2 Like you have this world right now where every generation starts from scratch. Every sibling is independent in their entire life.
Right.

Speaker 2 And that's the norm.

Speaker 2 So you're at a disadvantage because your success solely rests upon what you can make of yourself. Right.
And there's value to that. I'm not saying that there's not work required to be successful.

Speaker 2 And, and, but just imagine if you can

Speaker 2 have

Speaker 2 a family, for example,

Speaker 2 which has shared values, which truly loves and respects one another and desires to see one another succeed.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 that becomes a self-reinforcing like system

Speaker 2 that can allow you to achieve really great things. Where most people fail there, in my opinion, is that they don't establish like a like a family, let's call it governance, where they learn to

Speaker 2 operate according to like

Speaker 2 the shared set of principles and values that allow them to be strong. Right.
And so when that breaks down, then you basically start all over.

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Speaker 2 or how to develop the tools for

Speaker 2 building a strong family legacy where people can, families can.

Speaker 2 within themselves work together to give each other a leg up. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, when you look at the most successful people in the world, they all have legacies of families for decades, right? That's absolutely it.

Speaker 2 And that was kind of the key is it's like, well, you know, if we

Speaker 2 change the way we're parenting and change the direction we're going and make an effort to actually build these relationships and be the foundation of this,

Speaker 2 then yeah, you can match some of these other people that have done it historically because if you look at them, they don't send their kids off all day. Yeah.
No, they're starting over from scratch.

Speaker 2 However, they're not encouraging that concept. You have the general population, right? That is, as I described earlier, everybody starts from scratch and lives independently.

Speaker 2 And then you have like a group of people that, you know, are at, generally speaking, the highest levels. And people say, oh, that's nepotism.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 2 If you're trained from a young child to learn to develop healthy relationships with people that are, you know, it could be nefarious. You know, there's plenty of people that are running things

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 don't have our best interests.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 But I think that if you can

Speaker 2 develop a

Speaker 2 family relationship first based on truth, because then it's like somebody runs away from it. It's like, but we realize that they're running away from like what the truth is.

Speaker 2 What do we even share our perception of what truth is? You start there and then you build from

Speaker 2 and to establish, you got to start from first principles, right? Yep. This is resonating with me because I grew up only child, single parent household.
It was tough. Very similar to me.

Speaker 2 It was real tough. My brother's eight years older than me.
I was raised by a single mom. Oh, yeah.
We have different dads. Damn.
And, you know, I mean, similar situation.

Speaker 2 You say damn to me, but I say damn. It's like both, like, it wasn't the ideal.
Trauma bonding.

Speaker 2 It wasn't the ideal, but like, you know, it's. There's so much opportunity, man.
It's exciting.

Speaker 2 It's amazing.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of people tie their hands by the perception of what they think family should like, should be like, as opposed to just like, hey, let's just, let's just figure out as we go.

Speaker 2 Do you love me? Good. I love you.
Let's let our like your marriage, like the person you marry to marry is the probably the most consequential decision that you will make in your life. Wow.

Speaker 2 Like, do you, do you really want to, do you want to get married and then just be like, hey, things don't work out. We'll just get divorced.
You know what I'm saying? Like, do you want that? No.

Speaker 2 I don't think anybody does. But you have to think about like,

Speaker 2 it's, it's a serious decision. And I think people people get married when they're at the place where they're ready to

Speaker 2 but if you can you know align your marriage according to a truth that you both agree to like for us like we're followers of Jesus Christ right that's our core belief system our first principle that we have to that we've agreed that like we'll align ourselves to.

Speaker 2 So if we get too carried away with one thing or another, you know,

Speaker 2 that's like a homing beacon where it's like, hey, we both agreed to this. Like let's,

Speaker 2 let's in love, hold each other accountable. And then from there, man, it's off to the races.
The love opportunities is this, whatever you kind of want. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Are you guys seeing a lot of complaints about the dating market from your single friends or on social media? Yeah, I get a lot of like, hey, how did you find someone? How did you do this?

Speaker 2 I'm like, well,

Speaker 2 I went off to war and found some. Your odds are pretty good, girls.
If you're going to go to a deployed zone, there's not very many ladies to men of your pick. Good ratio over there.
Good ratio.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my kids say I pulled them a lot. I'm sure at the Bitcoin conference, it's a good ratio for females, too.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 And they show up. The ones that are there, they're ready to play ball.
Oh, yeah. I could tell.
We go to like some, we've been as like some political stuff. Yeah.
You know, and

Speaker 2 some of those, some of those people are out there hunting.

Speaker 2 You know, so you always got to be careful, right? Those aren't the right ones for me at least. I know some people about stuff.
I agree. No, you want someone genuine.

Speaker 2 You want someone who's going to commit to forever. You want someone who you're going to have fun with.

Speaker 2 You know, you want to have the spark. You want to have all of that.
But in all reality, you have to look at someone to decide for better or for worse. We're in this forever.

Speaker 2 And that's an awfully long time. I saw a crazy stat yesterday.
70% of people meet through dating apps now. They're significant other.
15, 20 years ago, it was like friend groups. It was workplace.

Speaker 2 It was like referrals. Yeah, I feel like it's a little bit of a scary statistic, to be honest, because how do you know?

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't know. That's bad.
I mean, it's not bad. Maybe it's not.
I think culturally, we have to get to a place where we just realize like we're tired of being run through the ringer nonstop.

Speaker 2 And I actually want to have a genuine relationship. My, like, one of my core principles is that relationship is the currency of life.

Speaker 2 You want to be wealthy and meaningful relationship. You can have money.

Speaker 2 That's great but it doesn't make you happy i've had the

Speaker 2 i wouldn't say privilege necessarily but opportunity to

Speaker 2 be around people we both have very wealthy yeah doesn't make you happy what makes you happy is having meaning and purpose um wealth can make you comfortable yeah but it also can create allow you to create a world in which um you're always right.

Speaker 2 A world in which

Speaker 2 you

Speaker 2 never have to feel pain even if it's would be normally what you're doing is wrong

Speaker 2 right you you insulate yourself from the consequences of reality to a certain extent but everything just compounds and catches up to you eventually right but yeah they just buy their way out of problems but it's temporary right yeah whether it's uh substance abuse or you know

Speaker 2 not having genuine healthy relationships or or just name it yeah um

Speaker 2 when i uh made my first million i was like

Speaker 2 I wasn't happy at all, to be honest. I worked so hard for that for years.
I was like, I'm going to be so happy when I become a millionaire. Yeah.
Nothing changed.

Speaker 2 Like, if anything, I was more depressed. It's a weird concept for people watching, but like, yeah, money doesn't buy it.
No, I'm, I love my bus.

Speaker 2 I am so happy living in a tiny well, because we have freedom, right? I have freedom. It's 217 square foot.
You know, people, how do you do that? How do you get ready in the morning?

Speaker 2 I'm like, you take turns. It's that part.

Speaker 2 You learn this in kindergarten. Okay.
Get with it. But it's, I'm so much happier because I don't spend my whole day worrying about taking care of things.

Speaker 2 Houses are a lot more manageable. I don't manage things all day.
I spend my time playing with my kids.

Speaker 2 It makes motherhood so much more enjoyable when I'm not having to clean 24-7. Yeah, minimalist, I think, is probably a super valuable thing for like young families, especially.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Like you got to figure yourself out. Just like marriage, like we're going into this.
We don't, there's still a lot we don't know about each other, but we're committed to each other.

Speaker 2 We got to learn how to figure it out as we go and commit that we'll keep at it together. And then, same with kids, you know, you just add that additional layer of complexity to it.

Speaker 2 And, you know, again, we used to have a big old house and

Speaker 2 it just becomes a burden. And wealth in and of itself becomes a burden as well, because you know, you're constantly worrying about,

Speaker 2 you know, asset allocation, lawsuits.

Speaker 2 You're constantly worried about

Speaker 2 just losing it. Yep.
Right.

Speaker 2 You're worried about the carrying costs of the stuff that you have, like whether it's a home or

Speaker 2 boat or whatever. Everything's just subject to just entropy.
Right.

Speaker 2 And anyways, that's an exciting thing about Bitcoin, for example. That's what I'll say.
Bitcoin fixes a lot of those things, doesn't it? Have you guys? Oh, God.

Speaker 2 Oh, I was just going to say, but it's still, you know,

Speaker 2 what is that compared to relationships?

Speaker 2 still nothing it's still more valuable to spend your time and effort on family yeah that's the core i think that's the core of existence is you know there's there's some people say like we're all just the sum of our relationships yeah and it's kind of profound to think about like our conversations our interactions with one another and and who we are but

Speaker 2 you know that maybe that's a little much but i i think there's a lot of truth to it um

Speaker 2 i think that if you can get yourself prepared, I think a lot of the reason I was like ready to go all in the marriage. We've been married for 15 years now.
Let's go. Let's keep going.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I like got okay with myself. I got okay with myself, you know? Like, I think you had traumatic experiences as a child and you got okay with yourself.
We were both like ready to just

Speaker 2 make it happen because we found somebody that we thought was worth it. Yeah, you know, pretty immediately if you're gonna marry someone or not.
We got married.

Speaker 2 You don't need any long engagements, all this like, oh, we've been engaged for six years. I'm like,

Speaker 2 we have a crazy story. So I

Speaker 2 was deployed to Iraq for 15 months on my first deployment. Came back.
I deployed early with an addition, with another unit

Speaker 2 just because I didn't want to get stop lost. So I didn't want to get like.

Speaker 2 close to when I was about to get out. And then they deployed me.
So I ended up staying a lot longer in the military. Oh, okay.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 I grew up a lot in a lot of ways in the military, but you know, I also was ready to, you know, pursue life according to my terms.

Speaker 2 Anyways, but

Speaker 2 she, her story is like super crazy, but I showed up at Ford Operating Base Warrior for my second deployment. And I walk up and I have like, we land on this C-130 and I've got like my armor on.

Speaker 2 I've got rucksack on my front, duffel bag on my back, two duffel bags in my hands and I have like an M4 like slung over the top which I walk up and I look up and I see this like beautiful woman tanning on a baggage I was not tanning

Speaker 2 on a baggage with her leaves rolled up there's no tanning in a uniform but she was wearing shorts and a t-shirt so it's not you know getting some sun getting sun anyways I looked at her and I'm like uh

Speaker 2 There's like 60 something dudes with me. Just keep walking.
Right.

Speaker 2 And next thing you know, we ended up like working at the the the flight line yeah we worked together down there so it was meant to be did you remember seeing him when he was carrying all those bags absolutely not wow it's just a great it's just a you know sea of army and i'm like dang it oh i'm five ten and three quarters yeah you didn't fan yeah yeah so it was love at first sight for you um it was just uh you know hey there's a beautiful woman you don't see that very often i'm telling you your odds are the odds are not in my favor yeah like you know, I'm just, I, this is like day one of the year.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 just keep walking. What made him stand out? Cause hundreds of guys were probably trying to holler at you, I bet.
You know what? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's, it's, that is kind of funny. But, um, well, for one thing, I would say it was pretty simple because he was enlisted and being enlisted, usually no one cares about you, just honest.

Speaker 2 Um, but all the officers would listen to him. They were all respected him and cared what he had to say.

Speaker 2 Well, he held himself very differently, and it was very obvious he treated everybody with respect. Went out of his way.
He didn't see rank. He just saw people.
It's like, he's such a cool thing.

Speaker 2 My girlfriend and I actually bet on him who could get him to ask us one of us out. Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it was. I love it.
All you average-looking dudes out there

Speaker 2 or below-average-looking dudes. You got what it takes.
Yeah. But it was very obvious he just lived with integrity.

Speaker 2 That's what makes

Speaker 2 you saying that. That makes me feel good.
I love it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 It makes me nervous, though, with these online dating apps is what I said is because I'm thinking in my mind is how do you see someone's integrity online?

Speaker 2 That's where I'm like, when you're a woman and you're going to commit to forever, and I'm looking at him and I'm thinking, I'm going to have children with his DNA, and that's a forever decision.

Speaker 2 I want someone with integrity. I want someone that's going to stand there and do the right thing.
And we have seven boys.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, seven boys, one girl. There's something to that, right? Yeah.
They're pretty cute. They just keep coming.

Speaker 2 But whenever you have children, especially sons, I'm like, they're going to be like him. I don't want to schmuck.
Yeah. No soy boys out here.

Speaker 2 I want strong men, and that's what my sons are going to be. They're going to be strong, courageous men like they're dead.

Speaker 2 And that's, and like, that like makes my spine tingle because I'm like, man, I need to, there's constant.

Speaker 2 like life is about it's like either you're growing or you're dying right and even feeling you know relatively confident in my life decisions and my perspective, I know that there's still the work to be done.

Speaker 2 It's like, like you're sailing a ship. You have to keep the sails trimmed.
You have to maintain the equipment and it never stops.

Speaker 2 And you can either find joy in it and purpose in it, or you can, it can be a task that you

Speaker 2 just, that irks you.

Speaker 2 But there's consequences to not doing it, right?

Speaker 2 because there's entropy is everywhere yeah things are always moving from order to disorder and it's is it requires you to constantly be growing you know and and be humble

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 i just hope that i can do that you know you're doing it tiffany told me privately She's met your kids, I guess, a few times, and she said they're the most well-behaved children she's ever met.

Speaker 2 So just wanted you guys to know that.

Speaker 2 So I want to throw this out there because in the Bible, it talks about an elder is a man of one wife who has children, plural, who respect him.

Speaker 2 You know, when you say they're well-behaved, well, my youngest children are because I make them.

Speaker 2 They have no choice. What's cool to me is that like my oldest is a 14-year-old.

Speaker 2 Respect is not something you can force. You can see it, right? They see it.
And it's cool because he, the way he interacts with my husband, the way he carries himself, it's very different.

Speaker 2 He respects dad respects our family and he's choosing that and i'm like okay it's working you know i mean i'm not done yet right we're not here let's just be honest here that's i can see i can see the light at the end of the tunnel i appreciate i appreciate like

Speaker 2 that but i also understand that like having

Speaker 2 an amazing wife that holds me accountable

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 being receptive to that is

Speaker 2 an incredibly integral part.

Speaker 2 You know what what I mean? I'm not over here. Like, look, we are one.
Yeah, we're a team. Like, we have to, we have to, we have to bite our tongues sometimes.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we, you have to, you look, we're people, right? I don't know. You have emotions.
Yeah, we're not perfect by any means. Don't think that.
But

Speaker 2 it's rough from time to time, but you know, anything that, why, why do, who, who hurts you the most? Right? The people that care most that you care most about. True.

Speaker 2 Because you value their opinion the most.

Speaker 2 And we all at our core desire to be valued. And so, like, you know, it just, man, there's a lot of growing and learning in life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's good to hear they respect you because most teenagers do not respect their parents these days. Well, they're not raised by their parents, though.
True. They're raised by their peer group.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it goes back to what we started with. It's like, look, you got to make your decision about that.
And it's like,

Speaker 2 ultimately, the decision that you make is going to have significant long-term impacts. It's not something that

Speaker 2 you can just write off just because you're making this decision just because everybody else does.

Speaker 2 It lowers the

Speaker 2 liability from you personally. You go, oh, that's just what everybody else is doing.
You know, at some point, you got to take responsibility for your own life. And, and,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 we are living a completely unique lifestyle, but we're doing it based on genuine and true convictions that we have that we believe have

Speaker 2 first principles that are sound

Speaker 2 that lead to life and growth and health and happiness and like deep joy, not make me feel good right now.

Speaker 2 And I'll just deal with the downside later. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, I do say, though, a lot of it has to do, I think, with the fact that we made these decisions when we were young. Right.
We got married whenever we were in our early 20s.

Speaker 2 I was 21. I was a a full adult.
I knew exactly what I was doing when I married him. But because of that, it did set us up for success now in the sense of I can stay home with our children.

Speaker 2 And I've been able to. We were debt-free when we started.

Speaker 2 And so that made a huge difference. And I think that's where a lot of women I hear get lost, where they come and they go, Benny, how do you do this?

Speaker 2 And I'm like, well, you're going to have to not have all this debt.

Speaker 2 And so we have a little bit of a generational gap, right, in America, because we have women that have gone to school, gotten school debt because our government-backed student loan debt.

Speaker 2 And then they go to get married and they have kids. And they're like, hey, honey, I want to stay home.
But by the way, I need you to work for your student loans and mine.

Speaker 2 Right. And so then they can't.
And the husband's like, I can't afford to cover your, like, right.

Speaker 2 I literally have friends that are doctors and lawyers who are like, I had no idea I wanted children or I wanted to stay home and raise my children.

Speaker 2 Cause I decided this one, I was like, you know, when you start talking about college, college, 16, 17, 18? Yeah, and here loan for 200, 300, whatever it is, you know, here's the, here's a loan.

Speaker 2 Like, right. And then they finally get to meet the man that they, they fall in love with.
They're like, wait, I do want children with him.

Speaker 2 And then you have a kid and you're like, oh, wait, I do want to stay home with this baby because that wasn't my original plan. I originally thought I was going back.
I love the military.

Speaker 2 I was going back to the military. I was on maternity leave.
And they handed me our oldest son. And I was like, okay, forget that.
I'm not leaving.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, it completely changed my perspective because I didn't want to stay home with a baby. I was like, nah, that's for somebody else.

Speaker 2 But you don't know until you get your kid

Speaker 2 story online. People all the time reach out and say, that's my story too, Brittany.
And how do I stay home now?

Speaker 2 You know, my husband has a great job. He owns his business or whatever, but he doesn't make enough to also cover me.

Speaker 2 So I think that's kind of the issue is that. Yeah, and I think society also like alongside that is that we are a very, you know, consumerism oriented society.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of that's been programmed into us. I read this.
There's a MIT

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 journal or whatever. And this, one of the writers was talking about the roots of consumerism.

Speaker 2 They referenced a book, for example, called Propaganda

Speaker 2 and some other things where basically these marketing experts that understand

Speaker 2 mankind's innate like inclinations or status or whatever um

Speaker 2 that if we we created this industrial capability after World War II, and what are we going to do? Like, shut the factories down? No, we have to manufacture desire.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And so I think, and not to necessarily get into that too much, but I think some people have this perception that they have to have this, that, and the other to feel good about themselves because they want to be accepted socially.

Speaker 2 And we fell into that. We did.
The more kids we had, we went through numerous houses and we flipped them. We did it correctly, right?

Speaker 2 It was like, okay, we started with this tiny house that we were able to purchase off of deployments because he spent forever in the desert.

Speaker 2 And so we started there and then it was like, oh, we need a little bit bigger house and we'll renovate it and sell it and make money. So we did that.

Speaker 2 And the next thing you know, we're, you know, people are like, you got to get a bigger house. You have more kids.
You have more.

Speaker 2 We wound up in this huge house and then we were miserable

Speaker 2 trying to keep up with this house and take care of it and take care of the kids and homeschool. And it was just like,

Speaker 2 taking a lot out of you. I'm so unhappy.
I'm just, you know,

Speaker 2 taining. It's like, I I want to spend time with my kids, but I got to do all these things.
So, in a lot of ways, it's like

Speaker 2 minimization of your obligations is at the core kind of what it is. So,

Speaker 2 you know, if you can afford to have like a nanny, or if you can afford to have like a housekeeper, just first understand that there's going to be an impact of having an additional person in your family dynamic.

Speaker 2 And that's going to, you know, you just handle that in a healthy way. But then also realize that if you don't have those things and you but you do have things

Speaker 2 the more obligations that you have the less time that

Speaker 2 you can commit to things like raising children and if that's again back to first principles if raising children within

Speaker 2 according to a set of values that you hold dear is a desire of yours you're gonna have to do the work

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 time obligations are

Speaker 2 really time obligations include like having to work for money to pay for your stuff.

Speaker 2 They

Speaker 2 take away from your ability to pour into your kids. It's hard to be a parent,

Speaker 2 right? But it's meaningful.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like you have to get good at being together.
Absolutely. Most people aren't willing to do the work to get good at being together.
Right.

Speaker 2 A lot of breakups these days, right? 50%. They say it's a coin flip for marriage.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 crazy.

Speaker 2 Is that a gamble you're willing to take? Because you don't have to take the gamble if you know what the odds are before you started, right?

Speaker 2 You can actually say, hey, I'm going to play the game according to a different set of rules.

Speaker 2 Right. Like, like what we, a lot of this, we just stumbled upon, right? But I think the dating game nowadays is wild.
I hear horror stories about it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Some of the stuff I've heard, like, it's crazy. It's almost worth just, you know, fixing your marriage and staying strong so you don't have to do it again.
For real.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But again, that requires personal sacrifice.
It requires like

Speaker 2 every situation, obviously. Yeah, yeah.
General. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just throw that out there. I mean, I'm witnessing what my mom's going through at her age.
Oh, man. Dating at 60.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's tough. Yeah.
Real tough. Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 I can't imagine that. I'm not.
I don't want to imagine that.

Speaker 2 I'm to

Speaker 2 work on my marriage and always

Speaker 2 be focusing on that. You guys will have grandkids by then.
You're gonna have a lot of grandkids. Yeah, well, I hope so.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think family is really special. And then our, then our role will change, right? So, like, it's funny because, like, my son, our oldest, he's like, he's as big as me.

Speaker 2 Now at 14, it's like, well,

Speaker 2 I have to respect his identity in a sense of of like he is an individual person. And, you know, everybody is, but they have a lesser sense of that when they're younger.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And what are his interests? You've got to win your children's hearts because, like, if it matters enough to you, you'll make it happen.

Speaker 2 Like, how do you get somebody to share, you know, values with you? Well, first of all, are they true? Because

Speaker 2 they'll see through that eventually and they'll pursue truth down a different path, but

Speaker 2 until they find it. But you have to, you have to um

Speaker 2 win their hearts you got to show them that they matter enough to you

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 pursue yeah right i think that's i think that's really where it's at so i can't i become more of like a an encourager and an advisor as my yeah your role changes i mean that's that goes back to showing respect why does he respect you because he can see that relationship is changing and it's equal to where he is at personally yeah you know And when, when he has like kids and, you know, when our kids have kids,

Speaker 2 we want to be there to support him. Like a lot of times, you know.
Yeah, you mentioned looking for a nanny and I thought immediately, I don't want my kids to ever have a nanny. Really?

Speaker 2 That will be me.

Speaker 2 I will show up. I will be the one.
Oh, I can't wait. My daughter knows.
She's like, when I have my babies, you're going to be my doula mom.

Speaker 2 Help me and be there. I'm like, absolutely.

Speaker 2 And then you're going to be my laundry. And I'm like, yeah, so you can hold your baby.
And so you can belong with that baby. I'm gonna come cook for you.

Speaker 2 So my mom shows up and she makes food for the week and takes care of my house. And she like pours into me so I can hold my sweet baby.
That's cool. Which is, you know, we'll be here with that.

Speaker 2 Doesn't that sound unheard of?

Speaker 2 That sounds better, though. Way better.
But it's what our grandparents did. I mean,

Speaker 2 my grandmother would come and take us or we'd go spend time at her house. It's like a joy.
She was always, I mean, that's why she lived with us. We, whenever my grandmother,

Speaker 2 she now has Alzheimer's. And so she's in a special place for that to help her.
But she lived with us for quite a while because she was getting to the point where she was like, okay, my memory's going.

Speaker 2 I don't have as much time. I can't drive myself.
I was like, grandma, come live with me. Like, we, I want you.
She's like, are you sure? I'm like, don't even say it.

Speaker 2 And we went out there the very next week to Louisiana and picked her up and brought her back to Texas.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 I'm like, when you have that relationship and benefit in them, it was so special.

Speaker 2 A volume generational home is amazing man like if you look at the stats on it like it increases longevity just imagine if you're a grandparent and you're like dealing with babies like the baby falls down or bumps its head or gets a cut like you're gonna have to move and make it happen right you're getting out on the ground standing up like absolutely from a physiological standpoint it's beneficial um from a relational standpoint there's nothing more like intimate in a lot of ways than the relationship between a grandparent grandparent and a grandchild

Speaker 2 because they don't have the baggage of actually

Speaker 2 of authority. Like the skip that part.
Parents really struggle in a lot of ways because they have a responsibility of authority

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 parents either like

Speaker 2 go too hard or go too soft. Right.
And whichever way you go, there's consequences, right? Parenting is a tightrope walk.

Speaker 2 like you have to when you have the tension and when you're doing doing the balancing work, it actually makes you better at balancing.

Speaker 2 Like, you're net if the moment I'm constantly questioning myself, like, am I handling the situation right? You know, oh, not that I have it all figured out, and then just know then you're so flawed.

Speaker 2 We're talking to each other about it, yeah, do this right, do we not? Do we need to apologize to a kid? Do I need to change how I do it next time?

Speaker 2 We're constantly having that conversation, love it, you know, stabbing someone else there to check, you know, just edify you and make sure we're on the right path.

Speaker 2 It makes me mad when she questions me,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 I can relate to that.

Speaker 2 It makes me mad because, like, ultimately, like, if I'm not perfect and right, then you know, I'm a freaking crybaby about it, you know, because look, I'm the most important person here, and then I got to snap out of it.

Speaker 2 I'd be like, okay, I'm sorry, thank you for that feedback.

Speaker 2 I don't always like to hear it, so thank you for being patient. It's like one of those things.
We've owned a handful of businesses that started solving. And

Speaker 2 we have this thing that anytime an employee comes in late, they get you twice. Right.

Speaker 2 Because first of all, they show up late and that damages the team. Right.
Because it's a breach of trust or expectations. And then second of all, you got to be the one to go up to them and,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 just agree that, A, is being late something you're okay with or not okay with? And then, and then a lot of times they don't want to be held accountable. So you're getting slapped in the face twice.

Speaker 2 They blame traffic. That is, that's what it's about.

Speaker 2 And in a lot of ways, to be a good leader is to, is to be genuine with people and accountability, but in like a, I had to say loving because it sounds sappy, but in a gracious way, maybe.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm leaning towards, I'm like trying to pick up a porcupine, right? Yeah, I know it's going to hurt me, you know? So I want to be as careful as possible. Be be calculated

Speaker 2 how do you approach if uh the kids want to do sports or like activities with other kids well we've stopped more than once i mean with in our life we have the freedom to do anything anywhere so it depends on the sport we they wanted to try football so we stopped um rented an airbnb but just to have more space and because it was playing the season it was playing where we chose to stop because we wanted to do it in south care

Speaker 2 It was like, we'll have more space this way. So we rented a place.

Speaker 2 They didn't like it.

Speaker 2 they were like not for us this last year instead they were like hey we want to go skiing and snowboarding so we got season passes for epic and spent a bunch of time on the mountains that we loved it it was the great fit for our family and so we're gonna probably do that again this next year but you know we we have the freedom with our lifestyle to pick and choose yeah go where when you want to be there yeah it's tricky like to to meet your kids where you are you got to know where they are and like thankfully you know they feel comfortable like like letting us know.

Speaker 2 But they also have like really tight relationships themselves. I think like birth order like impacts people's personalities.

Speaker 2 And because you're never, you're never born into the same world that your sibling was.

Speaker 2 Like, your parents have changed. Yes.
Sibling dynamic, you know, like,

Speaker 2 you know, there's a, a bigger person than you that can already walk. That's like.
Oh, you're right the other day was like, yeah, Gutter's an adult. The 14-year-old.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 My little, little five-year-old was like, he's an adult. I was like, he's not an adult.

Speaker 2 he goes he's as big as dad you know it's it was just kind of a cute like okay from your perspective i could see that because looking up they're the same height wow he's gonna be tall seeing they're like it would seem like to a five-year-old that would be an adult yeah so he's 5'10 at 14.

Speaker 2 yep he's gonna be tall we'll see i measured i measured his knee joints we were in quite a bit bigger i was dad's I was like, I feel like you're getting big.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's like a, I think it's somewhat scientific approach. I was like, I'm going to measure around.
His joints are like bigger than mine. I was like, all right.
Dang.

Speaker 2 So was either your parents really tall or something? My family's tall. Okay.
Cause it skips over. We're 6'6, right? Yeah.
It's all taller's relative.

Speaker 2 But yeah, we have,

Speaker 2 yeah, I hope that he's taller, you know, but whatever. As a guy, it doesn't hurt.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 2 I'll take a few more inches myself, too. Trending right now to be tall, so.
Yeah. Well, you got to be above six, they say these days.

Speaker 2 Songs about it. Yeah.
All right. Rep before.
I made it real about that.

Speaker 2 really wow there's a song about that i slipped in right before that yeah it didn't matter back then right five ten and a half was good enough five ten and three quarters well that matters

Speaker 2 so if you can find yourself a military man

Speaker 2 now it's hard actually though man because

Speaker 2 here's my thing about like real quick back on dating apps like it's just an introduction yeah if you don't have the ability to like screen for like like healthy relationship patterns that's on you which is ultimately on your upbringing and the environment that you're brought up in and which is ultimately on your parents to decide what that environment is yeah and so in a lot of ways it can uh impact you uh

Speaker 2 i agree with that but also people hide themselves on social media you're still gonna interact with them yeah and and and get to know their true character i think people are just willing to compromise because they have

Speaker 2 you know they get tired of waiting or whatever i don't know man i don't know relationship yeah

Speaker 2 we're also so removed from that both of us like i haven't dated in eight years i just hear the stories. It's crazy to me.
I think that's the best thing to do.

Speaker 2 Like, you'll be ready when you're good with yourself. Like, I, I didn't, like, I had to, like, shut it down and like get okay with myself.
Like, are you okay being alone?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I grew up an only child. So, actually, yeah.
Yeah. Well, and I think that's like a, like, a,

Speaker 2 you know, I think it's like kind of a first step. to to getting

Speaker 2 like to being like ready is being okay with yourself and you know i think a lot of people are trying to find somebody else to like fix their flaws or like we we

Speaker 2 we uh he compliments my this or that it's like y'all just i think basically you just have to have an aligned vision on like how are you going to keep each other accountable because you will change you'll grow is it going to be together because you're committed to like certain set of values or something or

Speaker 2 I don't know. Is it going to be something that you guys are willing to make the commitment right now on being completely serious?

Speaker 2 I think online is an introduction, right?

Speaker 2 It's a path of least resistance, probably, is why it's so popular now. Yeah, it's easy.
Just swipe. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it also makes people super

Speaker 2 jaded. Short-sighted too, about

Speaker 2 I deserve this level of

Speaker 2 specifics.

Speaker 2 That's what I was going to say. It makes me nervous because then you're looking at people and just judging them so quick.
Yep. I'm like,

Speaker 2 golly, that's, I want to know, I want to see their integrity, I want to know how they actually act behind closed doors because most of your marriage is going to be behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 No, it's literally a meme now. It's like six fee, you got to make a six-figure salary.

Speaker 2 Um, you need all these qualifications, yeah, and that's how people are getting judged now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and there's going to be a lot of people that waste a lot of time because you know they're they prioritize something that shouldn't.

Speaker 2 I mean, don't get me wrong, like it's important to have certain expectations, but I don't think like somebody's height or their net, like

Speaker 2 when are people getting married? Generally speaking, it's when they're younger,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 No. It's getting older.
Well, it is getting older on a net. Older.
We talked about that yesterday. The friend of mine,

Speaker 2 she is from another country. And she was like, oh, yeah, here in America, when I

Speaker 2 live here now, she's like, and I was looking at the daily thing. I thought, I got to marry a man 10 years older because Americans don't get married until they're well into their 30s.
I'm ready to get

Speaker 2 30s. Yeah.
I was like, I'm ready to get married now. And I was like, man, that's so wild.
Cause yeah, it depends on where you're from, right? Think about your whole like life, though.

Speaker 2 You're still getting married in the earlier part of it, right? Not your childhood. That's unreasonable.
But,

Speaker 2 you know, you're still figuring out the world for yourself. And so, you know, for our, for our kids, for example, I hope that we can

Speaker 2 have a close enough relationship that not that we want to control who they marry. That's their decision.
Like,

Speaker 2 to have a healthy family, your kids have to be able to leave if they want to. Yeah.
Right. Like,

Speaker 2 and, and so, hopefully, we can just be actually like a genuine sounding board for what's, what's healthier or not, or what you think, dad, or what you think, mom.

Speaker 2 And just, hey, I'm just giving you my thoughts and you don't have to do what I say.

Speaker 2 Yeah. These are just my thoughts.
That's that's healthy because some parents veto the boyfriend or the girlfriend, You know? Well,

Speaker 2 maybe they see something, though, that,

Speaker 2 you know? Yeah. So I'd be curious to know why are you vetoing this person? Yeah, there's more to it than there's

Speaker 2 a case-by-case basis. I wonder how I'll approach it when it comes up.

Speaker 2 Listen, I love it whenever people make all these like, well, when I have kids, I'm going to do this, or this is my thought on that. And I'm like, okay, let's see when you have a

Speaker 2 how much of that changes and how quickly. And then what you're willing to stand your ground on.
Are you going to buy the cell phone or are you not? Or there you have a phone.

Speaker 2 Are you going to take it back away? Because I've changed my mind on things. I have purchased video games and then said, just kidding, you're not ready for that.
Take it back.

Speaker 2 On the flip side, you know, my son is one of top 500 players in the world. And in a game he plays, he is very good at it.
Wow. He also.

Speaker 2 does all of his schoolwork is has a big group of friends he also is well-rounded likes to hike and exercise you know likes to surf i'm like okay you can also add in video games and it's not it's going to be a tool not a baggage thing okay you're right

Speaker 2 so it's just is it gonna be is it gonna be like

Speaker 2 fulfilling a need that is you know maybe not the best need to like pour energy into or is it gonna be like an enhancement yeah you know i saw a tweet other day the other day uh i don't know some some like tech ceo he was like if you ever find a globally ranked like gamer, hire them.

Speaker 2 And it's like funny because I remember when I was going up, oh, video games are bad and all that kind of stuff. And it was like, you know, are we supposed to carry that whole mindset forward?

Speaker 2 Then I listened to a podcast and Elon Musk is talking about how like surgeons perform 26%

Speaker 2 better if they also like play

Speaker 2 video games. I saw that.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Kind of cool. It was, I forgot.
So all of a sudden, every mom is like, so before I have the surgeon, my kid, do you play?

Speaker 2 real. Tell me about your at-home.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No,

Speaker 2 it's definitely one of those, you know, depends on where you are personally, self-control.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you might change your mind on a few things, and that's cool. That's good.
I feel like that's part of growth. Yeah.
They've helped me a ton. I was a huge gamer nerd growing up.
Awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah. My reaction speed is insane.
I'm like top thousand in the world in Fortnite right now. And it teaches you a lot of communication too, depending on the game you're playing, I guess.

Speaker 2 But you need to have teamwork if you're playing like shooter games, yeah, or solid duty. So, yeah, I attribute a lot of my success to video games, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, and two, I think, I think one of the things that he was getting to as well, maybe that wasn't explicit, is that you're like, so yeah, there's a physical thing doesn't really benefit too much in this.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe it's a fine motor skills for surgeons or whatever, but but uh, the CEO that was saying that I think part of it is that like you are basically engineering your way through a situation and it's very high speed it's very and you know the stakes are high if you desire to be successful and you have to have you have to hone your mind to be able to parse information and like operate according to truth right like because a lot of times like in the world like we don't actually have to operate according to truth because we have like a safety net here or there that like protects us uh from from the consequences of not operating according to truth i think a lot of that again is falling away right now, which is good because it'll make people better and stuff.

Speaker 2 But I think that I think that's the reason that things like video games can,

Speaker 2 when they've historically been like a bad thing, are actually like good. Yeah, no, that was super well explained.
I just learned a lot about myself. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2 We are on American Family Road Trip on Instagram. That is the number one place to find us.
It is my favorite app. Same.
I love Instagram. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 I love it. We'll link it below.
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