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Speaker 1 So I feel like when you debate that person, win, lose, draw, no matter how the debate goes, you're still reinforcing that belief of like an in-group and an out-group.

Speaker 1 And if I on the out-group and debating them, they can be like, aha, see, we told you people were going to attack you for these beliefs because they don't get it. And here this is happening.

Speaker 1 So in a way, I feel like by debating him, you're only reinforcing his power and hold among the members of his little group. So would you label him his following a cult? I wouldn't call it a cult.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's a cult. I mean, they don't even meet in person.
I don't think you can be an online cult. I wouldn't call it a cult.

Speaker 1 I would call it a hate group, but I think that psychologically, there are some parallels.

Speaker 1 All right, guys, first episode at Spotify Studios in LA. Let's get it.
Got the ladies here today. Returning guests and new guests.
What's going on today, ladies?

Speaker 1 Hi. Hey.
How's everyone been feeling? You guys have been doing a lot of jubilee debates and making the roundabouts. Sleepy.
Sleepy, tired.

Speaker 1 It is early, guys. It's like 10 a.m.

Speaker 1 Don't say it like that. Probably the earliest you guys have filmed, right?

Speaker 1 For no, Jubilees start at like 8. Why? 8.

Speaker 1 Why so early?

Speaker 1 Is it a full day thing? When you're up there? It's like four to five hours, yeah. Jeez.
And honestly, it goes by faster than you'd think. It does.
Really? Especially when it's a surrounded.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of it's just like watching other people debate. Yeah.
Yeah. I feel that.
I just saw your two-on-two debate. With who? Oh, with Andrews.
Was it... No, no, it wasn't that one.
It was.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, with Parker. Parker and you versus my friend CJ.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know the other kids. I actually did not hate CJ.
Really? Yeah, no. I think in the beginning he was pissing me off.

Speaker 1 But then towards the end, he started to make some points that I like had some respect for.

Speaker 1 I think the part that messed me up was in the beginning he was like, people who are food insecure just need to work harder. Yeah.
And I was like, well, that's not very compassionate now.

Speaker 1 It's kinda hard to work hard when you're he means well shout out to CJ man he means well

Speaker 1 have you debated him or no I did not know CJ

Speaker 2 but I did see some of that debate yeah no it was definitely interesting I mean

Speaker 2 definitely a range of ideas yeah

Speaker 1 towards the end I appreciated when he was like there are issues with the Republican health care plan because we can't just get rid of a premium tax credit without replacing it with a real solid plan which I appreciated you know him being able to like actually acknowledge that the Republicans do need to form a better, more like thoughtful and understood plan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, what are you guys focusing on this year or rest of this year, next year? I know you're starting a podcast.
I don't know if that's been announced yet, but

Speaker 1 I guess this is the announcement. Breaking news? Yes, it's breaking news.

Speaker 1 So, you're stepping away from the debate scene and going in the podcast route now?

Speaker 2 I mean, from what I've the debate scene is so interesting. Like,

Speaker 2 the side of you that you get there is just

Speaker 2 it's all like grunt I don't know I don't know I just feel like

Speaker 1 grunt it's like it's raw right it's

Speaker 1 not sounded wrong but

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 I mean it's just in the sense that like it's a very

Speaker 1 Like the prep work that you do for a debate is hours and hours and hours. And then the debate itself, you have to talk to people who under any other circumstances, you would never want to talk to.

Speaker 1 So it gets to be somewhat fatiguing, fatiguing, like back to back to back to back.

Speaker 1 And it's also not like the most sustainable like way to, I feel like, have an online presence because you have to travel. Like you just went like across the country to do a debate.

Speaker 2 I went to Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Holy crap. Yeah.
Shout out.

Speaker 2 Shout out to my friends in Tennessee. Honestly,

Speaker 2 I debated Michael Knowles and it's just all I can say is like you have to constantly, for me, it's like I was begging to speak half the time because

Speaker 2 I mean

Speaker 2 it's like you are not given like the platform to speak they're like they bring you into their own terrain and audience oftentimes right I mean it depends on what kind of debate you're doing but I just feel like it is a lot and I think connecting with people one-on-one is just more efficient.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think that like the climate of these debates, it gets to be more, it's not a debate, it's really an argument.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 clip farming, right?

Speaker 1 Kind of. And it's not, it's an argument, you know? I feel like

Speaker 1 there's not as much room for like polite discourse. And I might also be part of the problem because I do make fun of people on a very regular basis.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it does get exhausting when you're talking to people who you dislike and you're just arguing for five hours straight. Man, I was watching your recent one with Andrew Wilson.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And that was a tough one to watch. That was.
So I can't even imagine how it feels to like be there. It's exhausting.
It's honestly so tiring.

Speaker 1 Not only is he so ugly and you just don't want to look at him anymore and it's like, damn, I have to stare at this guy for five hours straight.

Speaker 1 But it's also like he's so rude from beginning to end when the cameras cut. He's never polite.
He has never shaken my hand once. He's never said hello to me when I enter a room.
Like, no, he, like...

Speaker 1 It's just such a bad vibe, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 And it does get exhausting, like, arguing over what the word rights means for an hour straight. It's like, dude, I think next debate, I'm just going to bring a dictionary or something.
For real.

Speaker 1 Did you watch that one, Xena?

Speaker 2 Yes, no. I mean, Andrew is such an interesting dude.
I mean, I, from what I'd seen, I was just like, this dude is just seething and angry all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, he's just always, like, his face is, I mean, it's in a perpetual

Speaker 2 just like, you know.

Speaker 1 They call that.

Speaker 1 What do they call that? Resting bitch face? It's not even resting bitch face. It's like.
He's actually angry. He looks constipated on them.
Like, he just seems to be.

Speaker 2 I don't think he's at rest ever.

Speaker 1 No, yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, I had also, like, we had, we were supposed to debate, do a debate while he was here in LA. That's right.
And

Speaker 2 I, you know, hit him up. I was like, hey, dude, you're here.
Let's have a discussion. And he was like, okay, about what? And I was like, let's do it on feminism.
You know, fuck it.

Speaker 2 Like, let's do feminism. And he was like, okay, like...
what do you about what? And I was like, you know, do you think it's bad? Like, what how do you feel about the movement?

Speaker 2 do I think it's good sounds like a decent debate topic and then he's just like you like and I was just like what do you mean and then he just goes how dare you you stupid broad you stupid bitch and then he just starts to go on and on and on and I'm just like really yeah over DMs just over DMs he just kept keeping mine she's 19 and he's like

Speaker 1 how old is he 50 he's in his 40s I believe

Speaker 1 I just had him on. I moderated a debate with him and this other red pill guy.
We got dinner after. He's a little different off camera.

Speaker 1 It's interesting because I've filmed with so many creators and just to see how some are on camera versus off camera. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How are we all on camera versus off camera?

Speaker 1 I haven't been with you guys too much off camera to be honest. This is my first time meeting you.

Speaker 2 We kind of just met some people.

Speaker 1 And we didn't really do anything off camera. But some people are totally different like Harry Sisson.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's

Speaker 1 off camera?

Speaker 1 I'm playing ping pong with him. I'm chilling with him.
We're being guys. Oh, yeah.
And then on camera.

Speaker 1 But when I see his clips, I'm like, what are you doing, dude? Ben, I didn't hang out with Ben Shapiro off-camera, but when we did the Jubilee Middle Ground, I felt like a similar vibe.

Speaker 1 Like, when we were cut, he was very friendly. Really? He definitely had like a debate mode, you know, and he turned it off.
Like, when we weren't. Respect.
Yeah, and it actually was really nice.

Speaker 1 Like, I appreciate when people...

Speaker 1 Like, you know, there are some people whose views are so ridiculous that it's like, there is no off for me. Like, I still don't fuck with you.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it was nice to be able to have this debate, and the debate's over. And he's like, that was great, guys.
You know, that's respectful. Lovely to talk to you.

Speaker 1 Like, that was, it actually was really nice. Do you guys have conservative friends, people that would be considered on the far right? No.
None at all? No. So that's a defining line.

Speaker 1 Well, part of it is I'm from New York and I live in Los Angeles. So it's like, I would have to actively seek out these communities.
And it's like, why would I do that? You know,

Speaker 2 no, I mean, I feel like we're getting to a point as well where it's just like, okay, what are your beliefs that are conservative?

Speaker 2 And it's like, I unfortunately for years have studied why all of that is incorrect factually just like completely and it's like at that point it's like if I explain this to you and we have a conversation and I'm like

Speaker 1 I just wonder how you can be there and I'm over here in terms of like just knowing what is true factually oh wait actually that's not true I do have one conservative friend but he's coming around I've been sending him so many reels so many like infographics that he's like oh I think he's gonna turn liberal just to get me me to shut the fuck up honestly yeah no he was like he was one of those like

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 raised very christian like black kind of conservatives and kind of in like a cj type of

Speaker 1 xavier darusso he's not a famous person oh okay yeah he's just a he's just a guy and

Speaker 1 yeah no but um he didn't vote for trump or anything but he definitely has like some conservative viewpoints i'd say he's more of a centrist to be honest but yeah i wonder where i'll be in 28 because i would have voted trump at 24 you know

Speaker 1 i'm one standard i i've taken that online test i don't know what it's called but i'm like one standard deviation from the middle political compass i think it was that one yeah yeah that's a good idea

Speaker 2 um so you're very centrist i mean i was telling you earlier and i want to explain this better i said you give me like the vibe of like an equalizer like you have touched all the crevices of like this debate space on the internet and you kind of reflect it back like people watch you so i mean that's pretty interesting that even your political views align with that.

Speaker 1 I would say I'm pretty in the middle. Yeah, I grew up pretty liberal in New Jersey, but where are you from in New Jersey? Bridgewater.
Really? Montclair. What? Yes.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I didn't know you were a Jersey boy. That's crazy.
That's crazy. That's nuts.
Just got married out there. Oh, that's awesome.
Congratulations. Yeah, Jersey's a good state, man.
People sleep on Jersey.

Speaker 1 People fucking sleep on Jersey. It's because of the Jersey Shore.
We get it back.

Speaker 1 Actually, they did kind of ruin it for us. But the entirety of Jersey.
It's lovely. It's beautiful.
Great public schools. Like, people really should own Jersey.
Jersey's really nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, we'll see where I go, though. I just try to stay pretty centered.
Like you said, I've had on far right, far left, done everything in between. Nice.
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm slowly losing faith in Trump, if I'm being honest. Slowly.
Slowly. Slow.
Dude.

Speaker 1 He's had 10 mess, yeah. Just some questionable things lately with the FBI, with the Epstein files, with censorship.
You know, my TikTok got banned. Really? For speaking.
Really?

Speaker 1 For moderating an Israel debate, yeah. Wow.
Yeah, between Myron and Destiny. That got me banned.
Wow. Ooh, I want to watch that.
That actually sounds like a good deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good debate, but I don't know. Just a lot of things he said before getting into office don't seem to line up, you know? Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, in regards to the Epstein files, I feel like I'm at a point where I'm just like,

Speaker 1 okay, like,

Speaker 2 it's getting crazy. And then it's like, when we see like these emails that come out and like the kind of things.

Speaker 2 that are being engaged in it's just like how can we it feels like there's too much evidence surrounding it where it's like,

Speaker 1 how can we deny? You think they'll get released?

Speaker 2 Do I think they're going to get released? I mean, I feel like that's a question of where our government or where our country is going as a trajectory. Like, it's like really that kind of question.

Speaker 2 It's like,

Speaker 2 I think there is something there. I mean, we know his name has been in the files for how, you know, and that was kept from us for a while.
So it's just like,

Speaker 2 does our country go more,

Speaker 2 should I say the word that we're not allowed to say?

Speaker 1 I mean, it starts with an F.

Speaker 2 I think there is a chance for good to come, especially with the fact that Zoron is doing something in the direction of,

Speaker 2 you know, I would say hope and change. I mean, I just think we need to keep going and we can't let this, that be the end.

Speaker 2 I feel like we need to continue propelling that way, which is why I kind of do what I do. So it's like, it's all dependent on that, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I can't even answer completely.

Speaker 1 I mean, if I was Trump, I wouldn't really say shit. The fuck? Why would you? He wouldn't.

Speaker 1 No, because he pretty well he is he's facing a lot of pressure from especially the right he's losing a lot of supporters yeah I mean I would have Cash Patel type up another little like he did with the Tyler texts I would have him just type up a little

Speaker 1 Google Dog be like yeah they did it's gonna be released I think in some way the people are gonna take it I think they're gonna say it's a threat to national security to release the files or release them and heavily redact that's what they did with JFK yeah they heavily redact all of the juicy tidbits but um to your point about you know losing faith in Trump I always thought when Trump first got elected, like, man, this is going to fuck the Republican Party so badly because I feel like he has kind of

Speaker 1 pigeonholed your entire party and kind of grabbed it by the balls. And, you know, not to be vulgar, but essentially he's consolidated so much power within the Conservative Party.

Speaker 1 And so now you've put all your eggs in this basket full of holes. So if Trump doesn't come through on his promises, it's not just like Trump is a bad president.
It's conservative ideals do not work.

Speaker 1 Because all conservatives are kind of now tied to his performance because he's taken over so much of the party. So if I, you know, if I was a conservative and he

Speaker 1 is just so blasphemous to a lot of conservative ideology. I mean, the party of family values, but this guy is running around with a known PDF file, you know?

Speaker 1 Like, so if I was a conservative, I would be actually really pissed at how Trump has handled his presidency, especially this term, both terms.

Speaker 1 There's a lot, a lot of infighting on the right right now. The tariffs, everything.
I mean, the going back and forth on the tariffs. Like, if I was a conservative, I'd be pissed.

Speaker 1 He's making you guys look weak as a party. Yeah.
Yeah. It's rough right now for the right.
I was actually watching Tim Pool this morning, and he was talking about how...

Speaker 1 Oh, me and Tim Poole have been fighting. Oh, you do?

Speaker 1 Kind of. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait, you were supposed to debate on his event. I saw him.
I was supposed to debate it. We can talk about it, but yeah, it was like a whole thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But anyways, I saw him talking about this because he got, I don't know if you guys saw this, he's not allowed at America Fest this year. Tim Pool? Yeah.
Why?

Speaker 1 They said you're not allowed, and he used to film there every year, film pods live on stage.

Speaker 1 So, he made a whole video about this, and he was saying Charlie Kirk kind of held the right together, and now with the loss of him, the right is just everyone's fighting.

Speaker 2 Wow, you know, I mean, I feel like, especially like the online right as well, it's like really fracturing, and a big part of that is Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, Nick Fuentes, I feel like, has captured something about like captured something really fierce in young men that I'm scared of.

Speaker 2 And I'm scared, it's like for me, like like it's almost like a virus. Like I just, I'm very afraid of that.
And I think that we need to fight that with the best of our abilities.

Speaker 1 The issue is his beliefs. And

Speaker 1 I think that Charlie Kirk has left essentially like a power vacuum on the right. And now everyone's kind of trying to fight to take his spot, essentially.
And I think that Nick Fundes is vying for it.

Speaker 1 But I think the issue with him is just that his beliefs are, I mean, some of the statements he's made, it's just insane.

Speaker 1 Like he was actively inciting violence when it came to encouraging January 6th protesters on the day. Like, the prolific use of the N-word, his, you know, reverence for Hitler.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just, it's too far, you know? It's not something that is going to be ever, I think, widely accepted on just a moral basis. So now the right has to decide.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you are going to allow Nick Fuentes to be a prominent figure in your party, you're essentially saying that what he's saying is morally admissible, permissible, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And, you know, you can't really say that and then be like, but we're pro-life, except if you're Jewish, you know, like that's not going to really work, right? Would either of you debate him?

Speaker 1 Because I know you were offered by Aiden Ross in 2024.

Speaker 1 Now he's a lot bigger. So what do you guys think about potentially going head-to-head with Nick Fuentes?

Speaker 2 I mean, let's just, we just got to think about, like,

Speaker 2 not only, like, how, what are the consequences of that? Like, even just for your family, just number one, like,

Speaker 2 the kind of people that he's attracting are not stable, in my opinion. I don't want that that kind of person, what are they gonna do to someone who is so the opposite?

Speaker 2 Like I am the opposite of what Nick Fuentes is and stands for. Like what what would they do to that kind of person or the people that they're around? And also what's the effect on everyone else?

Speaker 2 Like I just feel like there's not gonna be a purpose that's going to fuel their anger, you know?

Speaker 1 I think the way I think about it, because I I honestly, I in middle school and high school, I was obsessed with cults. Really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like not in a a way of like I wanted to join, in a like I'm studying, like a sociological study kind of way.

Speaker 1 And as I've learned more about hate groups and white supremacy

Speaker 1 as an adult, I've noticed that psychologically, cults and hate groups have a lot of similar kind of functionalities in getting people to believe these very kind of insane ideologies and to put their the loyalty to this ideology above above their loyalty to other people essentially and one of the ways that they both cults and hate groups kind of do this is through like socially isolating people of being like nobody else understands you everyone else is trying to attack you because they don't get it and we have the higher truth and only our little insular group possesses that so i feel like when you debate that person win lose draw no matter how the debate goes you're still reinforcing that belief of like an in-group and an out-group and if I on the out group and debating them, they can be like, aha, see, we told you people were going to attack you for these beliefs because they don't get it.

Speaker 1 And here this is happening. Right.
So in a way, I feel like by debating him, you're only reinforcing his power and hold among, you know, the members of his little group.

Speaker 1 So would you label him his following a cult? I wouldn't call it a cult. I don't think it's a cult.
I mean,

Speaker 1 like, they don't even meet in person. I don't think you can be an online cult.
Yeah. But, well, can

Speaker 1 There's been some weird Discord cults, and I don't know. Okay, well, but they still meet in person, though, I think.
Yeah, but I mean, I wouldn't call it a cult. I would call it a hate group.

Speaker 1 But I think that psychologically, there are some parallels, you know? Yeah, I could see that. Yeah.
Have you guys been watching Candace's series covering the assassination? Oh, boy.

Speaker 1 Getting a lot of views. She actually became the number one podcaster because of this.

Speaker 2 No, yeah.

Speaker 2 I like I have like seen some of it and like I think the thing with Candace like what what I know we've been interested in talking about is like

Speaker 2 there's something so interesting about the intelligence that she possesses but selectively engages in and displays I believe like I feel like oftentimes when I watch these commentators like I have been super interested in debate for like a while and all I will hear is just

Speaker 2 like fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy statistic fallacy fallacy fallacy

Speaker 2 and then it's like for now like when she talks about certain things that go on in the world in in a different way, in a more like,

Speaker 2 almost like targeting injustice way, it's just like, suddenly I see the intelligence back again.

Speaker 2 So some of the stuff I've, I know people have been like, oh my God, why am I agreeing with Candice Owens? Because she has that capability. It's just she's choosing when she wants to use it.

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Speaker 1 I've been, I've been, I've been low-key. I've been, I've been into Candace's glow-up.
Oh, yeah. I'm not going to lie.
Okay. I did not expect this.
No, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, if somebody makes a good point just because they're a conservative, I'm not going to be like, no, still wrong. You know,

Speaker 1 like, yeah, she makes, she's bringing up some things that I think everyone is asking these questions.

Speaker 1 And I also think it's kind of hilarious that she seems to be more upset over the death of Charlie Kirk than his old wife. That's a good point.
Have you noticed that? It's not even.

Speaker 1 Erica's live, laugh, loving. Like, why is she so happy? Like, why is she so happy? They must have been really close.

Speaker 1 I mean, her husband literally just died, like, several months ago, and she immediately took over his job and started working like didn't even take a break after his memorial like if your wife died you think you'd take a few days off like a week right I'd probably take months off exactly isn't that weird yeah that she just like immediately went back to work and isn't really talking about it like if I was her if it if it was me God god forbid if it was me I would be doing what Candace is doing and I would start a complete investigative journal.

Speaker 1 Like, it'd be like a taken post-mortem influencer edition type beat.

Speaker 2 So, you're saying that Candace is acting more like his wife should be.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 That's an interesting point. Well, you know, speaking of, you know, romances, Candace and Nick, am I right? Candace and Nick Fuentes, have you seen The Shippers?

Speaker 1 Nick Wantser, man. Does Nick Wanters?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Nick Wantser. Deadly.
I've seen some edits. But he's a white supremacist.
How could he? And she's married. And she's married.
Yeah. Oh, wow.
That would be a very complicated dynamic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be tough to pull off. I don't understand.
I mean, if anyone could pull it off.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess I feel like it would just blow all his points, though. It's like, I hate black people, except for this one.

Speaker 2 Like, when you look at, here's the funny thing, though. When you look at, like, a white supremacist insult, nine times out of ten, like, you check the girls they're liking on Instagram, they're black.

Speaker 2 Like, or they're just like, they are, like, like, look at, like, the fetish categories on them.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I know. I mean, I'll get white supremacists.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to call them white supremacists, but I'll get hate comments and like racist comments, and then that same person will DM me, like, can I be your pay pig? And I'm like, okay, well,

Speaker 1 a lot of people use projection. Yeah.
So they're just insecure, right? And they're projecting that hate onto you.

Speaker 2 Psychologically, that couple makes sense.

Speaker 1 Not saying I supersede. Because they're both self-haiting.
They're like projecting their sexuality. Do you guys get like, I know you get hate online, so do I, but do you get hate in person too?

Speaker 1 Like when you're just walking around? Um,

Speaker 1 no. No, it's never happened to me.
Really? Yeah. No.
Wow. Well, we live in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 But, I mean, I don't know what it would be like in other parts of the world, but I went to Utah and all these people, which is, you know, a very conservative state, and all these people are like, oh, my God, I love you.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, okay. That's cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sometimes it gets crazy in the political scene. Yeah, I know.
I do get scared.

Speaker 1 After Charlie Kirk died, my parents were like, we're hiring a personal security guard. I was like, no, you're not.
I'm fucking fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 I went to Tennessee and I met, like, I was at the Redneck Rebiera.

Speaker 1 What the hell is that?

Speaker 1 Michael Knowles.

Speaker 1 Debated him as a nice business. This is the name of the bar.
Got it. Yeah, he does live debates with people drinking.
Yeah. I've seen a couple of them.
Those kind of scare me.

Speaker 1 No, well, Tim Poole had an incident at his last one. Oh, really? Well, I'm so glad I didn't go then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he had Brian Shapiro, I think his name is, debating Myron Gaines, and Brian got a little physical altercation afterwards. So that was supposed to be me.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the one you were supposed to be? That was the one I was supposed to be. Wow.
I was supposed to debate Myron. It was a really weird situation because

Speaker 1 they had, and I have all the texts, but they had DM'd me and been like, we'd love to have you on the show. And I was like, great, let's take a meeting.

Speaker 1 Me and my producer, the one who's producing our podcast, meet with one of his team members. I forget his name.
And they're not trying to pay me. The most they can do is 500, but they'll fly me out.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, but I would have to take off work because I actually do, contrary to popular belief, have a job. So I was like, okay,

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm going to take off work for this because they were going to try and get me to debate Rachel Wilson.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't really want to take off work to fly across the country to debate Rachel fucking Wilson you know

Speaker 1 so I DM'd them and I was like you know it's an interesting opportunity but you know I need to know who I'm debating before I can confirm and like fly across the country and then a week later they sent me an email like thanks for confirming I was like I just told you I wasn't confirming

Speaker 1 and then um

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 I got a brand deal so that was paying significantly more and I wouldn't have to leave my house. So I was like, okay, I think I'm just not going to do this.
They haven't told me me who I'm debating.

Speaker 1 They've tried to confirm me without telling me. Like, and I don't want to fly across the country.

Speaker 1 So I told them, I was like, unless you're willing to meet the price of this other deal, I'm not going to come. And they were like, oh, but we already started promoting you.

Speaker 1 And like, we put out flyers and everyone knows that you're coming. And I was like, but I didn't sign a contract.
I'm not confirmed. Like, I told you I wasn't confirmed.
Yeah. Why would you?

Speaker 1 And they used like an AI image of me and like fucked up my teeth. Wait, what?

Speaker 1 Yes. I was like, they took like an image of like they took a screenshot of me and then ran it through AI or something.

Speaker 1 I was like, why did you do that? I've seen that. Yeah, no.
So they got really mad at me and they called me unprofessional, blah, blah, blah, blah. They were like, you just want more money.

Speaker 1 And it's like, no, I'm not just going to fly across the country and inconvenience myself. Yeah, because that's in DC, right? Yeah, it's really far away.

Speaker 1 And it's also like a safety thing. It's like, if this is how you do business, like, how do I know I'm going to be safe at these events?

Speaker 1 You know, especially after Charlie Kirk, like, I'm not trying to play around. For real.
So, how was your experience on Now's show? Because people are drinking, right?

Speaker 1 The crowd's probably calling you out on stage. Like, was it pretty hectic?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no. I mean, it was, honestly, they did the booing, and the booing was really, you know, it was just like

Speaker 2 you are, you hear, like, an emotionally triggering Michael Knowles statistic or statement. It's like, yeah, okay.
But like, it was more so, honestly, Tennessee was really like nice.

Speaker 1 The people were honestly. Southern hospitality.

Speaker 2 The hospitality really got me. Like, I honestly really did enjoy that aspect.
And there were two people, like, I just posted on my story.

Speaker 2 I was like, okay, anyone who is in Tennessee, if you happen to be in Tennessee and follow me, just come out. And two people actually came.
I literally posted it like 30 minutes before we went out.

Speaker 2 And it was just so cool to meet some, you know, meet two people who lived

Speaker 2 in such like a, a place that, I mean, it's not, Nashville is like not completely red, but there was an overwhelming population and how.

Speaker 2 you know, I could reach those people. I mean, it just was like really cool to see.
So shout out to Kennedy and Hannah. You guys are cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kennedy and Hannah. That's cool that you guys got fans everywhere though, right?

Speaker 1 We're worldwide. We're worldwide.

Speaker 1 Mr. Worldwide, Mrs.
Worldwide. Let's go.
That's crazy. Those Jubilee videos get a lot of views, man.
Yeah, they did. Yeah.
I mean, some of them got like five, ten million, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, debating with Parker was fun. I definitely want to debate with him again.
That was actually a blast. Really? Yeah, no, that was a really fun mashup.
Okay. I mean, me and I met Parker

Speaker 1 the first time. I met Parker and Dean for Charlie Kirk.
That's how you all met, right? Yeah, and I had no idea. I had literally no idea who anyone was at that time.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how many stars came out of that debate. I know.
Marin, although she's on the East Coast, I feel like I never see her. Marin? I haven't seen her, but you, Parker, Dean, and was Harry there?

Speaker 1 No, Harry was not there. Oh, he wasn't there.
He was the only one who wasn't. Were you there? Oh, I was not.
You were not? Okay. You came on a little after that.

Speaker 2 I was, I did Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 1 Jordan Peterson, yeah.

Speaker 2 And Candace, Candace Owens, we both did Cantonese, but yeah, Jordan.

Speaker 1 I didn't see the Candace one yet. Yeah.
Oh, that one was funny. Has that one come out yet? No, it's been out for like months.
Oh, okay. What was the topic on that one? Feminism.
Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sh the mi her main point was just like women shouldn't be at work.
I say while at work. Yeah.
Yeah, she works every day. Yep.
Pretty much, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's been working for a long time.

Speaker 1 I mean, her her career. And I know she does well.
I know. That's the thing that is bu that it bugs me, the hypocrisy of it.

Speaker 1 And it is also like, you know, my mom worked my entire childhood and one thing that I think was really really difficult for her is as a woman, you still have this expectation to be a homemaker.

Speaker 1 But if you are having, if you have a very successful career that is a necessity to your family, you have to do that too.

Speaker 1 So when she says women can't have it all, you can, but you do have to have your husband step in and provide more of that balance. Agreed.

Speaker 1 You know, especially at home, if your career is popping the fuck off, you got to pursue that.

Speaker 1 Because that's just beneficial to your entire family.

Speaker 1 And so, I don't know, it just bugs me when she pushes these traditional roles on women because there's a lot of women who don't have that option and who don't want that option.

Speaker 1 But it would be nice if we had partners who were like, oh yeah, you know, you have to work late. I'll feed the kids.
You know, like those little things.

Speaker 1 And I feel like my parents really tag teamed, you know. balancing parenting and work super well in a way that wasn't gendered.
It was just like, whoever's available to do this task will do it.

Speaker 1 I feel a lot. You know, and I just, I wish you could promote more stuff like that.
As a guy, from my point of view, I like my girl doesn't work too much. Yeah.
But I'm also realistic.

Speaker 1 Like that's not pretty realistic for most people these days. Yeah.
You know, I'm just, I work like 80 hours a week and I'm able to make up for the deficit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I got a lot closer with my dad as a kid because it was a very equal balance in terms of like parenting responsibilities. That's a good point too.
Yeah. And it was really nice.

Speaker 1 Like me and my dad are very close. Every debate, I always prep with him.
Oh, yeah. He knows debate pretty well.
How did you practice? Did you just watch them? Cena has a crazy story.

Speaker 2 I have the craziest stories. I mean, like, I was,

Speaker 2 so basically, I started out, like, my parents were Democrats. Like, Nigerian, we were, like, very much just, like, my dad was obsessed with politics, like, 24-7.

Speaker 2 He had CNN playing on four different screens

Speaker 1 all the time.

Speaker 2 Damn, your dad's like, my dad

Speaker 2 is, like, lived out, I will say. That's the terminology nowadays that they say.

Speaker 2 That's what they say. I mean, the kids.
Anyway, but then it was 2020 quarantine. I was super well versed in just like domestic American politics.

Speaker 2 And then I stumbled across, like, I essentially had a lot of online friends due to quarantine.

Speaker 2 And we would just 24-7 be reading like the densest philosophical texts about the economy, about politics, about like communism, socialism,

Speaker 2 like every single political philosophy, basically. Not every single one.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 But I ended up writing like 300 pages just about politics and communism with your friends public it publish it it's not it's just notes like it's literally just me like like explain and then i would go on like a tangent like explaining more of like how it made sense to me like i understood so much of this for a while and some it's it's a lot of it is still up there but it's like it was just like such a really big interest for me i don't even know why it was like i was doing college interest

Speaker 2 14 to 17 and from there i was just super interested and it wasn't until college that i started to do something with that and just like i don't know I started to use social media to do kind of intertwine some of my like interests in regards to that and it's just been like cool to see like especially now it feels like the political climate is also starting to reflect some of the ideas I've had about socialism and it feels like it all kind of makes sense it was like a path and now I can keep doing this in my adulthood so yeah there's a lot of talk right now about socialism and communism right Mandani exactly that's a hot topic right now it's like I like democratic socialism

Speaker 1 well I think that one thing that people get confused on is that socialism and capitalism are incompatible. That's communism, which I don't think this country is ready for,

Speaker 1 to be quite honest with you. I think that there's just too much corruption in government for us to be at a place where we could run an effective communist government.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to socialism, you know, I think the key tenets that I really appreciate is that, yes, we still have a capitalist system.

Speaker 1 Yes, there is still, you know, a means of production and private equity and private ownership.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to things like prisons, schools, hospitals, those are publicly owned.

Speaker 1 You know, things that you can't live without, things that are very much life or death and should not be for profit, are not.

Speaker 1 Because when you...

Speaker 1 have like a private run hospitals, it just becomes such an easy means to exploit people because you have to go to the hospital or you will die. That's a life or death.

Speaker 1 And those those things, I just don't, I fundamentally do not believe that the healthcare system should be privately run, which is why I really support socialism. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every time I hear of a hospital story, people are paying tens of thousands.

Speaker 1 Tens of thousands. If they can pay.
Right. Right? Average childbirth is $18,000 right now.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 Most people can't afford that.

Speaker 1 I can't afford that.

Speaker 2 It's absolutely crazy. And no, I just think people like we don't kind of stop and think about just like

Speaker 2 the value of the things that we like kind of like how the value of the things that we have like gets there.

Speaker 2 And like when you look at just like anything, like if you kind of have the privilege of just like having certain means that make life easier in your life, when you stop and think like how did that get to me?

Speaker 2 Most of that value comes from people's labor.

Speaker 2 And that like idea is part of what really fascinated me about politics, like how we have like all these like products out here that like we use and that value comes from other human beings and that value is so imbalanced, despite the fact that so many human beings contribute value.

Speaker 2 So I feel like that's really a lot of what drives some of my political beliefs.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So that being said, do you believe the minimum wage should be raised? Yes.

Speaker 1 What is it at right now? I mean, in California, it's

Speaker 1 18. Is it 18? 18 an hour? I think it's 18.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think it should be proportionate to the cost of living in that state.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't know if we need necessarily a federal minimum wage just because the cost of living is so so different across the country

Speaker 1 but where is what's the lowest minimum wage in the United States isn't it like seven bucks

Speaker 1 oh that's nothing actually I kind of want to can I google it yeah look it up let's look it up yeah because with the rise of AI a lot of these minimum wage jobs are gonna be wiped

Speaker 2 so it's it's looking pretty bad the thing with AI that's so scary is that it's so looming and we don't know so much yeah

Speaker 1 oh god what is it five dollars and fifteen cents wow that's has to change what states Georgia and Wyoming Georgia is surprising because Atlanta is a pretty big city. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So if you're making five an hour in Atlanta, like how do you make it?

Speaker 1 Well, you don't. That's not a living wage.

Speaker 1 You just either have to have another job or you're just not making enough money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's insane. The problem, though, is if you raise it, companies are just going to keep replacing them with AI.

Speaker 2 That's the thing. AI is going to be something that, like, the thing I really don't like about just right now is that we're in the stage before a big boom.
Like, I feel like that's where we're at.

Speaker 2 I mean I don't know though and it's like we just don't have enough information to make conclusive,

Speaker 2 I feel like, I know the conclusive decision we need to make is like, let's slow down, let's figure out how this stuff works.

Speaker 2 That's 100% what I can say, but like we don't know how where it's going to end up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know? Well, Amazon just fired like, I think it's like 60,000 people for AI.

Speaker 1 A lot of big companies are scrapping their DEI programs as well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like it's looking pretty rough. You're entering the job market, right?

Speaker 2 Like what communities does that impact the most when you have DEI being rolled out as well as with minimum wage jobs? Like it's just not, it's very clearly targeted.

Speaker 2 And that's why these kind of means of inequality, I feel like, happen.

Speaker 2 Like whether it be racial inequality, economic inequality, they happen together, I feel like.

Speaker 1 Me and Zina have actually had a lot of our own personal debates about the role of AI in

Speaker 1 the means of production. Well, she's kind of put me on to the idea that AI can be used as a tool.
Because I'm going to be honest, I'm a very anti-clanker. I don't like...
You don't use any AI?

Speaker 1 No, I use ChatGPT for sure. But

Speaker 1 look, man, I'm a college student with two full-time jobs. I can't even, but

Speaker 1 I don't believe that it needs to be a part of, it should have any role in like government or any role in essentially replacing human work.

Speaker 1 You know, like you, I do not think that AI should be used to replace human labor.

Speaker 1 And kind of what Zena's pitched to me is a sense in which a lot of jobs are replaced by AI to the point where we no longer have to compete for resources because they're being mass produced by AI systems.

Speaker 2 Well, what I more think is, like, I think that we can have, it's not specifically AI, I just think that we're getting to a point where we're seeing like a fake scarcity of a lot of jobs come about.

Speaker 2 Like, that's been talked about a lot by economists.

Speaker 2 It's like jobs will be essentially, there will be, like, they will create fake scarcity so that we can create more jobs for people to work with because we're getting really good at producing.

Speaker 2 But the problem is we're doing that super unsustainably.

Speaker 2 I think that if we find a way to align our just like environmental output as well as our production power, that would be my perfect ideal for human beings so that we're not in this state of like high fear all the time about where's my next meal?

Speaker 2 Where's that, this, that, and the third.

Speaker 2 And that being said, when we're in that kind of state, if that's possible, or if we get closer to that, people will have less time devoted to just keeping themselves sustained.

Speaker 2 Instead, you can do things that, like, the smartest people have come from having time to sit and think. Like, think of Buddha, right? If we, imagine a society of people that can do that.

Speaker 2 Like, imagine a society of people that can sit, like, not only just and think, but then again, pursue their passions because we have so much intrinsic motivation.

Speaker 2 Like, intrinsic motivation, like, predicts psychologically much more

Speaker 2 productive, valuable work and more efficiency. So that is my kind of goal for people.

Speaker 2 And however that looks, we don't know how far we're going to be able to get in regards to tech or if we can even do that ethically.

Speaker 2 But if we can do those things and we can do it sustainably, that's my goal.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to give my two cents on extrinsic versus intrinsic motivation. Me and Zena had the nerdiest fucking fight ever about this, like fucking last week.
So

Speaker 1 I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, but I will just say about in terms of AI, I think my fear is not AI itself. My fear is the programmers, really.

Speaker 1 I think that the more jobs are replaced by AI, the more power you're giving to the people who are programming AI.

Speaker 1 So, and AI, it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Like, everyone kind of thinks about it as being neutral.

Speaker 1 But it is basing its understanding of the world and its knowledge and functionality on data sets that are created by humans. Like, they're looking at human data.

Speaker 1 You know, what we've done, what we've created, what we've produced, like, everything on the internet is part of an AI data set, right?

Speaker 1 So, not only does it have to, does AI have to sift through the bias of, you know, humans

Speaker 1 interactions and uses with the internet, but it's also being programmed by humans who are capable of bias.

Speaker 1 So there's both bias in the data and by that it's based off of and bias in the programming, which is why I fear when you're taking jobs from people and giving it to the clankers,

Speaker 1 we believe that they're going to do these jobs better because they're unbiased and they're neutral, but in reality, they're not because they're, you know, subject to the same human error that we all are.

Speaker 1 They just make those errors more efficiently.

Speaker 2 And I feel like this is why alignment is so important for AI production.

Speaker 2 And like the only way we can ever make progress in implementing AI is if we have alignment pat down, which is like the first thing we should ever do in this conversation is like stop speeding up because what's happening is U.S.

Speaker 2 is competing with China to become the first company to be the biggest and create AGI and all these, you know, tech terms. But it's like if we slow down and align, we can trust,

Speaker 2 maybe we can either figure out how the block systems work or trust what we're getting as output and then continue to scale up. So

Speaker 2 amongst obviously environmental sustainability, obviously, but I think that's how the only way this would work.

Speaker 2 And that's why these goals, what we first need is a plan and then actions, I believe, to be implemented. But yeah, I think

Speaker 2 the thing with AI is like we need to select the right pools of data to be pulling from from to create these systems if we don't, because what they'll do is they'll just make the process faster and not take those steps to confirm.

Speaker 2 That's a big reason why. Let's look at like, I don't know, Musk's AI.
Musk is.

Speaker 1 Grok.

Speaker 2 Grok is freaking Grok.

Speaker 1 Grok is fucked.

Speaker 1 And Musk is fucked. I mean, well,

Speaker 1 it very much aligns with who he is as a person. Exactly.
Who's like in a hego girl who's like, hi, I'm Grok. It's weird.
So it just pulls from people's tweets. How does Grok work exactly?

Speaker 1 Grok has made anti-Semitic comments in the past. Like Grok has quoted Hitler in the past.
Like, yeah, and it makes that Grok has had Grok and Meta AI actually had an issue with.

Speaker 1 I was gonna do a video on this, but I was like, TikTok's gonna fucking ban me for this.

Speaker 1 But essentially, Meta had this issue where they were allowing people to make their own kind of AI chat bot personas using Meta AI, and adults were making AI chat bot personas that were supposed to be children

Speaker 1 and engaging in sexual conversations with AI bots that were supposed to be presenting as an underage AI bot. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 And vice versa, children were making on Meta were making AI chat bots who were engaging with these children sexually.

Speaker 1 So they were being doubly pedophilic. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, if we look at how, like, I think that AI is an amazing tool. I'm not going to lie.
Chat GBT has made me some killer outlines.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm never going to say that it can't be a tool, but thinking about,

Speaker 1 you know, the people who are making AI, the data sets it's based off of, other fucking people on the internet,

Speaker 1 and how it's being used, it's very clear that there are some serious structural issues with preventing bias and inappropriate behavior when it comes to these chatbots.

Speaker 1 I wonder what the fix is, because they're not going to just shut down.

Speaker 1 I actually, like, I did check when I, when when i was reading um about that and when i was doing my research on that this was very this was a bunch of months ago and then making that video i did check to see like i tried to talk to some of the ai chat bots from my account and um

Speaker 1 it what did get pretty sexual pretty quickly i'm not gonna lie i was like oh wow oh wow she's very easy i was like damn

Speaker 1 um it did it got pretty sexual but then it got to a certain point where it wouldn't go past okay so i think they and i think they might have fixed it i'm hoping they fixed it a little bit once it became like a thing that was they were aware of a lot of lonely guys these days yeah so it wouldn't go like it did it it was like softcore it wouldn't get to a certain level just

Speaker 1 rated m rated m premature yeah and then and then i tried to do it on my sister's account but she wouldn't give me her password so she's underage so i was like i want to see if it'll have a similar you know response to a user that they know is underage but my sister was like yeah you're not getting my password So.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Zina, you mentioned China earlier. When you guys think about the biggest threat to America right now, what comes to mind is China even in that mix?

Speaker 2 Like I think that like we are being honestly it's the damn phone.

Speaker 2 Like I think that that might be one of the biggest I mean I don't want to say the biggest I think the biggest in America office is going to be like wealth inequality, obviously.

Speaker 2 Like let's look at the fact that people are

Speaker 2 let's look at the fact like people are really broke right now. People are also being targeted by the government right now.

Speaker 2 Those are obviously like really big I think those are probably the biggest structural issues. But I think

Speaker 2 as an afterthought to that, it's like how do we fix that? It's got to be people collectively coming together and making a change. If our minds are fucked we can't do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think America's destroying itself pretty well on its own right now. I don't think we need any h help from China.

Speaker 1 I I I think the issue is that we're going to weaken our economy to the point where China in the future will become a much larger threat because we don't have the ability to defend ourselves economically.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 the dollar is getting worse. Yeah, exactly.
We lose the dollar, we're... That's our main power source.
Pretty much.

Speaker 1 It's like we're turning ourselves into a third world country. Yeah.
It's just amazing to me how unequal the wealth distribution is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Spot on.
I feel like, realistically, it's only going to get worse. Oh, yeah, for sure.
Before it gets better.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just not looking good.

Speaker 2 I feel like that's the thing with me is like I am a pessimist who acts optimistically because that's my response to what I see. Like it's not like I have the starry-eyed view.

Speaker 2 Like I watched the Lorax the other day. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And for me, the Lorax is literally, I think I'm hoping we get to that chapter where we start to make this change and the world becomes the I want the world with the trees, right?

Speaker 2 So it's like, I'm there and I'm just like making myself I'm gonna be Ted Wiggins like yes like that's gonna be me because what else can I do like if I just play into it is that gonna make me feel better like no I feel like I just what else can I do and if enough people do that I know that the solution is if enough people act like that

Speaker 2 objectively we will be able to change things. I wonder if that's possible.

Speaker 1 I need to re-watch the Lorax because who the fuck is Ted Wiggins?

Speaker 2 The dude who talked to the Onceler and got the story of what happened to Ninobille.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay. He came back and caught the trees.
Okay. It's a good movie.
It's a great movie. A lot of.
I liked the book more of it. Oh, you're a book person?

Speaker 1 No, I'm fucking with you.

Speaker 1 See, it's like five pages long.

Speaker 1 I'd be very curious with the wealth gap. What was the last president where it got better? You know what I mean? I feel like it just always gets worse.

Speaker 1 That is an interesting question. I mean,

Speaker 1 honestly, I think so much of it is super PACs, too, because,

Speaker 1 you know, lobbyists, super PACs, all these presidents feel like in order to maintain power, they have,

Speaker 1 what's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 Funding. No, like a promise.
Trust. Like an agreement.
They have to kind of maintain an agreement with these super PACs and these private interests. Whoever funds them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And, you know, money is power. So the more unequal the wealth distribution, the more people in power are going to pander to those with money.

Speaker 1 Do you think lobbying should just be either limited or removed entirely? I think that there should be a cap on the amount of donations. I agree.

Speaker 1 Definitely agree. Yeah, for sure.
And I also think that

Speaker 1 the where a donation, like, I think that, like,

Speaker 1 the data on who people are taking donations from, who politicians are taking donations from, should be, like, readily available to the public. Like, there should be.

Speaker 1 There's some department, there's some government organization that does do it, but it's not, like, it doesn't do it, like, break it it down like by numbers.

Speaker 1 Did Elon remove that one? Or no.

Speaker 1 He's trying to. I had an Uber driver that Elon laid off.
I forget what department he was in, but he said there was like 40 of them that got completely wiped. Wow.
Oh, from the federal government?

Speaker 1 Yeah. 760,000 people.
Honestly, yes.

Speaker 1 Honestly, if I was a conservative, I that one, I can't believe we just glossed over it. I would be scared of it.
People forgot about it earlier.

Speaker 1 Because so much shit happened.

Speaker 2 Like, it doesn't happen to you until it does.

Speaker 1 right yeah but it's also like this you know if you're gonna be so anti-immigrant this guy is a fucking immigrant who walked to this country was not elected

Speaker 2 and then fired seven hundred and sixty thousand people but you're worried about like mexican immigrants like who are working in agriculture yeah like if you talk we want to talk about immigrants are stealing our jobs there's only one immigrant doing that and it's elon fucking musk I feel like that's what's so scary about the ideologies for me,'cause like when you look at all these ideologies, you like get to like, you know, where we're at in this country now it's like they increasingly get more incoherent like they keep platforming people who like melania immigrant like look at all these people on the right who they like keep into their camp but are still antithetical to their ideology and what they're doing like the more incoherent i feel like an ideology gets and the stronger it gets you can see something drastically wrong is happening and then you get to and then it gets to the extreme of nicks wentes who's like homophobic and also like like you know saying stuff like it's gay to be straight like what does that even mean and how are people so invigorated about something that doesn't make sense there's too many inconsistencies yeah what is like that's so scary people there's no logic it's gay to be straight you heard it here well i guess you didn't hear it here first but

Speaker 1 have you guys seen ice out here yet any ice raids in la

Speaker 1 I have not seen any you haven't seen any I actually have not seen any oh that's surprising yeah but I've definitely like my classmates have really yeah it's wild in our neighborhood too that we haven't seen them I've seen them in Vegas.

Speaker 1 Vegas is a big hot spot, I feel like, for them. Wow.
Yeah. Because there's a big center over there.
Yeah. Crazy times, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we were part of the, we did a lot of the protesting the summer. Oh, you were at the No Kings?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we were at the No Kings, and then, well, because you know, everyone was like, oh, it's on fire. It wasn't.

Speaker 1 But so there was a No Kings protest, which was kind of like the Walmart-sponsored lib protest. And then there was, for like, I want to say a solid month before that,

Speaker 1 there were mass protests protests

Speaker 1 in downtown LA. And those were the ones that the National Guard was at.
Those were the ones where we got tear gassed. Oh, wow.
Yeah. You saw the National Guard there? Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We talked to them. My freaking boyfriend, he's a vet, so he walks up to the National Guard.
He's like, Did you pay for college yet? I'm like, babe, please.

Speaker 1 We're going to get shot with freaking one of those rubber bullets. Oh, yeah.
Those hurt. Please go away.
Don't talk to me. No.
Those hurt. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We saw a lot of people get shot with rubber bullets, like a lot of near misses. We got very fortunate.
We got tear gassed, but we were wearing masks and stuff, so it wasn't too crazy.

Speaker 1 Holy crap. Yeah, no, it was kind of insane.
And then the no-kings was kind of like everyone. Like, people brought their dogs to the no-kings.
I saw like grandparents there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those ones were kind of, but it was nice. It was nice to see everyone get to come together.
Because not everyone can do the protest before that. I've never been to a protest.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like they're pretty productive? Have you ever been to a protest? No, I've never felt the need to like. They're actually really fun.
Really? I love them.

Speaker 2 I've been going to protests since i was a little kid and well something about like me and z i feel like our friendship really blossomed through those protests oh that's how you guys got something about it oh god no we met we met when charlie kirk came to usc got it got it yes sorry no i was just like getting like remembering the protests like the protests or something about it where like i kept saying like i feel like my job in the this past week has just been like protesting in a way because every single day I wake up, I get ready, I like we're running from the, the you know the police like it's like I feel like

Speaker 1 I would not escalate

Speaker 1 the police.

Speaker 2 No, I'm saying it's like it's true because they'll shoot into the crowd and you can clearly see that people are not being violent. That's what I was noticing.

Speaker 2 I thought I felt I saw the importance of being here and recording it and being here and seeing it and making sure that you have footage.

Speaker 2 Like it's so important so you can like do a side by side to the news.

Speaker 2 And the news only shows the aftermath which is what happens after the police bring force when you're there beforehand and you get to see the full thing like that is illegal and so important.

Speaker 2 I think that is the point of protesting. Every single time they will come and they will try to intervene for no reason.

Speaker 2 The goal is to expose that and to touch people with that so that people can see something that's happening.

Speaker 1 And there's something so beautiful about just like you know we see all this stuff online like obviously you know we're reading comments we're seeing people support we're getting DMs And those things are meaningful and interesting.

Speaker 1 But when you really actually like are in just like

Speaker 1 a mass crowd of humans that are just like, we care enough about this shit that we're going to leave our houses, risk our own personal safety to be out here and show that we're not okay with this, to see everyone else's passion mixed with your own, to see the tension, to feel those emotions,

Speaker 1 it's really exciting. And it makes it feel worthwhile.
Like when you go back and make your little TikToks, it's like, damn, like, you know,

Speaker 1 like there actually really is a point to all this. That's cool.
These are real life people who also are fighting for what I'm fighting for. Yeah.
That's why I do all my episodes in person too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because it just feels different. There's just a difference, yeah, between the in-person.
Yeah. What's the next protest you guys are going to?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I feel like

Speaker 1 one every week out here?

Speaker 1 No, it's actually, it's calmed down. As it's gotten colder, it's definitely calmed down.
There was another No Kings. That was like a month ago now.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But since then, I haven't gone.

Speaker 2 We've definitely been kind of out and about recently. I know there's just been like, I think, especially with like school as well, I've been balancing both, and it's been very difficult.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can't believe you guys are balancing that, by the way. It's fucking impossible to.
I had to drop out. I couldn't do it.
It sucks. Work and school, I feel like you have to pick one.

Speaker 1 Well, I have one semester left, so it's like, if I drop out at this point, like you're in too deep. Not only will my parents kill me, but you know, I just feel like I have to get the degree.

Speaker 1 That's why I was scared to drop out. I thought my mom would be so pissed.
Oh my God. But they'd be pissed in a way of like, we're crying.
That I can't handle.

Speaker 1 You know, I you could yell at me, like, okay, I'll just sit there. But I don't know.
I can't, I don't like to see my parents cry. Like, I don't want to make my parents cry.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel that. So you're you plan on balancing it though the whole way through?

Speaker 1 Wow. No, of course.
Hats off.

Speaker 2 I feel like, especially it's like one thing that helps, I would say, is like

Speaker 2 like telling your like getting your teachers to know you and like figure out like, okay, like what you're doing, like what kind of person you are.

Speaker 1 That's where I messed up. Yeah.
My class sizes were so big, there was no personal touch. It is hard to do.

Speaker 2 It's difficult with the larger classes, but I mean, I have to be strategic about what classes I pick as well, just to make sure that it's like not going to be the kind of thing where like it's

Speaker 2 like, I don't know. It's really

Speaker 1 greatmyprofessors.com. Oh, we love it.
Exactly. The professors are like, they make and break your grades.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's just like a lot of balancing, but definitely have been feeling it this last weekend. It's just been like you're all over the place.

Speaker 1 This last weekend was a lab after this. Insane.
Yeah, no, we shot our our first podcast episode this last weekend. Oh, nice.
Guests or just you two? No, just the two of us. Okay.

Speaker 1 You plan on doing guests or it's just going to be you two? It's going to be a mix, but yeah, we're definitely doing guests. Nice.
Yeah, it'll be fun. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Well, where can people find the pod? It should be out by the time this comes out. Well, wait, when is this coming out? About a month.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 it actually will be. I might move it up.

Speaker 1 Okay, if you move it up, I think I have to talk to my producer, but I think our target date is like December 16th. It should be out around that.
So we'll link YouTube in the video. Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it'll be Symposia Pod. It'll be on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music, where all the good podcasts go.

Speaker 1 We'll link your socials below. Thanks for coming on, buddy.
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