Fitness Industry Secrets: Are Pro Athletes Really Natty? | Greg Doucette DSH #1276

I had to apply. I had a one-year permission.
The lawyers I hired, I had three sets of lawyers who said, you, with the crime that you did, you have maybe a 5% chance of getting here. I'm like, if there's a 5% chance, it's going to be me.
Because I'm trying to make a difference. And I'm like, I'm, you know, a popular social media influencer.
And I speak out against steroids and dangers. And who better than the person who did them? Right.
That sold them. How do people think I know so much about them? All right, guys.
Got Greg here out in Vegas, man. You here for a little vacation? Six days, yeah.
Vacation, work a little bit. Bit of both.
Nice. You going to Flex Lewis's gym out here? I'm hoping to.
Yeah, that's definitely on the list to do. I've never been.
Really? Shout out to Flex, man. He spoke really highly of you.
Told me to say hello. Yeah, it's great.
I love Flex. I haven't seen him in a while.

He does a show out in the Maritimes where I'm at,

the Flex Lewis Classic.

So it's been a great show over there.

He actually said you're pretty misunderstood.

He said you're like the nicest guy.

I think a lot of people assume that

just because I call a lot of people out

or say they're fake natties or whatever.

And I'm like,

it doesn't mean I'm a bad person in real life.

I just, I don't know.

People think I'm going to stream and shout

and say many things to them. But I mean, that's just BS.
I feel like you're the coffee zilla of the weightlifting world. I would agree with that statement.
I just actually did a video with him yesterday. I met him.
We hung out for several hours. It was great.
It was a good time. Like who do you expose on there? What was it? Oh my goodness.
He, he would basically ask me like, who's the most toxic person? Who would you want to stay with if, if you had to for a year? Who would you want to avoid? I mean, there was so many names that came up. It's very eyeopening, I'm sure.
Interesting. Were you the first person to start doing that Natty or Not thing? I would say no.
I remember Kenny KO doing Natty or Nots. I also remember Phileon doing Natty or Nots.
I think several people were doing them. I just don't think perhaps as much, even Derek from More Plates, More Dates.
And I've only done, people think that's all I do. I've done a hundred in total.
I've done 3,700 videos. So if you look at it as a percentage, it's like what, 3% of my content, but that's kind of what I'm known for.
It gets the most views, right? I would say a lot of them get a lot of views, but not the most views. Some of my most viewed videos are anti-steroid videos, like where I show the dangers of using, abusing performance enhancing drugs.
The biggest views I've gotten tend to be on videos like that, where I'll call people out for like the dangers of what they've done to their bodies. Right.
Steroids are no joke in the long run, right? No, so dangerous. I just posted a video just yesterday on the dangers for females.
Like, cause I'm like,

there's women gotta be careful as well.

Most of the time I'm talking about steroid use in male,

but a lot of women are using them as well.

Bikini competitors, just your average person.

And so it's kind of like a,

it's a secret down low thing.

People don't want to talk about.

People don't admit to it.

It's kind of cool for men.

Guys can get away with it.

Like, oh, I'm on test.

I'm doing this.

I'm doing trend. It's kind of like in 2025, people accept it.
But if a woman says she's on steroids, they're like, I don't want to admit that. So most women are lying.
So it's like how men were like 10, 15 years ago. I would say so.
It's going to take a lot longer before more women come out. And so whenever I see a woman who's open, honest, transparent saying, hey, I did this.
My voice has changed. I'm like mad respect because that video can go a long way.
So I just highlighted what this woman had said. I posted a video about it.
It's getting hundreds of thousands of views. People are listening.
I think it's going to make a big difference. Yeah, because their bodies aren't as tough.
So steroids on women must impact them even more. Exactly.
For a man, we're putting more of a hormone that we already have. For a woman, if she takes testosterone, she's literally turning into a man.
If a woman wants to transition to a man, that's what they give them. And so women are doing this by accident without even realizing that's what's happening.
And the thing is, it doesn't happen overnight. Like the first day or two, a week, things are great, perhaps even a month or two.
But if you keep doing it for months, years, that's when you see the changes. Do you think social media has pressured a lot of people to start taking stuff like this? Without question, social media, the times are harder than any other time I've ever seen.
I'm older than most people in the fitness industry. I mean, I'm 49, I'm pushing 50.
Now, 50 keys of Turk across the border, but also I'm getting older. I mean, when I was a teenager, there was no real pressure for a man to have like a six pack or to have

muscles. And women, it was mostly, they had to be skinny.
Like I don't remember girls wanting muscle,

but as I got older now, it's like you had that, they had that tooth body. Women had to look like

teeth, like they had that Kim Kardashian, like butt implant and that whole look. Now it's more

like muscles, aesthetic, a small waist, slim, thick. There's so many different looks that people have to go for.
Very hard to get when being natural. Yeah.
Like the Sarah Safari look. Sarah Safari.
I've met her, did her body fit. She's more, I think she's more attainable, natural for a woman.
Of course, with good genetics. If you don't have good genetics, it's going to be really hard to look for like her.
Yeah. But I've seen a lot more physiques, for example, competitive bikini competitors like at the Miss Olympia level.
If you're natural to look like that, you have maybe a one in 100,000 chance. Damn.
Most of these girls are on steroids like Anavar, things like that. You serious? It's very, very rare for a normal woman to be able to look like- Hey guys, shout out to today's sponsor, Kinsta.
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Miss Olympia competitor. The chances are extremely slim.
Wow, but there's divisions for all natural, right? Not at the Olympia, which is what I would push for. Now, one thing they've just added in the IPB is they've added a fitness model category, which is a step down in bikini in the size.
Because when they first introduced bikini, it was for what I would consider a hot girl, a girl that I would see at the beach. I'm like, oh yeah, you know, I wish my girlfriend looked like that kind of thing.
And then every year the judges kept rewarding bigger girls with more muscle and less body fat. And so at this point, if you win a bikini contest, if you saw that girl on the beach, you'd be like, eat a sandwich, eat a cheeseburger.

Like, what's wrong with you?

Why are you so lean?

They likely don't have their period.

They're probably on steroids.

They probably have a deep voice.

That's what's happened.

And so this fitness model division,

it's giving a chance for the average girl

who wants to look good and compete

to be able to do it without using steroids.

Yeah, dude, for me personally,

too much muscle on a woman is a turnoff.

Now, I find that if you're more muscular, like the more muscled up you are as a man, the more you can handle as a woman. And so being a competitive bodybuilder, I like muscles on girls.
I can respect it. I appreciate it.
But I don't need it to the level where you have a deep voice and you have to shave. Like I don't want to be with a girl that sounds and looks like me.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's concerning, man. Hopefully they figure something out because I feel like it's putting people's lives on the line, right?

I think the fit model division

is a step in that right direction.

I think if they hadn't,

if the IFB hadn't kicked me out as being a judge

for some of the comments I said last year

where I'm saying women's bikini is overtly sexual.

They have the ponytails on.

They're all wearing hair extensions.

They're covering their back muscles

and they're arching their backs in a thong

and wearing stilettos. And it's like, what do you think that looks like? And so with fitness model, I think it's going back to what I was hoping for and being more realistic and being more of an athletic show where you're showing some more of your muscles.
You don't have to be so sexual because like, let's be honest, would you want your mom competing in women's bikini? Like it's a little bit too much for me. Now I love the bodies.
I love the way they look, but I was trying to make a difference to saying, can we not tone it down a little bit? Do we really need the walk to the curtain in the rear and, you know, strut your ass? Like it's a little bit much. How shocked were you when they kicked you out as a judge? I wasn't shocked at all because they'd already kicked me out as a judge and they use that as a scapegoat to make it look like that was the reason why.
They had already kicked me out because I had outwardly spoken about men's physique, that the guys were getting too big. I need you to make a smaller weight categories for that.
And six months later, what happened? They added in those categories. They made it so that men's physique had to be smaller and make a certain weight class.
I said that women's wellness was too big, that they were giving too much rewards

to the women with bigger legs than me, for example.

And what happened?

They said, we're going to tone down those sizes.

And I also criticized men's classic physique.

I said, the weight classes make no sense.

They reward too much size for some heights,

like six foot one,

and not enough size for shorter guys,

like five foot 11 or my height.

And so my weight cap, it went up seven pounds. Urs Kalisinski went up seven pounds and C-bombs was about the same.
And so they listened to me yet again. And so they had already kicked me out of judging.
But then when I made those comments, they then announced, oh, we're getting rid of coach Greg because he said this and said that. They had already kicked me out.
So this is what the IFBB can do. And so if anyone is a person that represents, I think the IFBB, the athletes and tries to speak out on their behalf to help the sport, I think I'm that person.
A lot of politics, it sounds like in your space. Huge politics.
I try to help the sport. I try to minimize the drug use.
I try to do this. I try to do that.
Like for example, I think in men's classic physique, they need a lighter category. Men's classic physique light.
Let's make it 20 pounds smaller because guys right now need to push so much drugs to compete at that level that why not lower the weight class by 20 pounds? They're still going to be huge. Chris Bumstead with 20 pounds less muscle, he's still a Greek God.
I would love to see that. Maybe he'd come out of retirement, 20 pounds less muscle, come back, maybe even be natural and see how he does.
Is that the only league? Is it like a monopoly kind of? The IFBB is like 10X more popular than every other federation. So it's kind of like the NFL compared to the CFL.
It's huge in comparison. So that is the premier league, the best of the best.
Damn. So no one really cares about the other ones.
Exactly. If you compete in another division, it's like, I'm this pro, I'm that pro, I'm this natural pro.
It's like, whatever. No one really cares.
I had pro cards 10 years before I got the IPB pro card, but no one even knew about it. No one cared.
What's the one Sam Sulek's competing in? IFBB, the top, the top, the top dog. So a guy like that, he's at the best of the best going against the best guys in the world right now.
Yeah, I saw you making a few videos on him, right? A few by few, about eight and seven days. Like, yeah, a video a day.
Why do people like that guy so much? He is so open, honest, and just tells it like it is. He has such a passion for the sport.
The guy trains every single day. He lives and breeds.
I've never seen a guy with that much passion for something. Like, I respect him so much for what he does.

Now, I don't like the fact he has to abuse steroids

to get to that level.

But the fact that he loves it that much,

this is what I wish on everyone.

Like, I don't care if it's bodybuilding,

dancing, reading, kayaking, hiking.

If everyone loved to be on this earth

the way that he does, had a passion for anything,

the world would be a better place.

I just love Sam, the fact that he's just

that passionate for the sport.

I agree.

I love when people chase their passions.

Yeah, I way that he does, had a passion for anything, the world would be a better place. I just love Sam.
The fact that he's just that passionate for the sport. I agree.
I love when people chase their passions. Yeah.
I think that's the difference. Like every single day, like,

like I know what it's like to put a video every single day. This guy, every single day is uploading

like 30, 45 minute videos, talking about his diet, his training, what he's doing, how much he's

sleeping and giving advice. And it's just like, he's just a great guy.
How could you not like him?

You also made some videos on Togi. Togi.
I would say about the opposite of what I just said for

I'm sorry. and giving advice.
And it's just like, he's just a great guy. How could you not like him? You also made some videos on Togi.

Togi, I would say about the opposite of what I just said for Sam.

Here's a guy that abused performance enhancing drugs

to get famous and popular.

He promotes gambling to the world, to teenagers.

He promoted SARMs, steroids.

Steroids are awesome.

He just gives out misinformation.

And so I'm 49, I don't have a kid. I don't have kids.
But if I had children and they said, I watch Togi and I want to like be like him when I grow up, I would be so depressed as a parent that I've failed him. And so he's the opposite of what we need to see as a social media influencer.
And what's worse is getting even more successful. And so the better he gets, the more, what does that it's hopeless for us yeah i'm not a fan you are viewed as health results or something on one of the videos it seems like i've done many times i said look this guy looks like he has chlamydia he looks like he has this he has that uh he's not healthy yeah i'm not a fan of the gambling stuff to be honest i know i'm in vegas but it's tough like i mean i i used to gamble a lot.
Like, Texas Hold'em. I was addicted to it.
Well, poker's different. That's skill-based.
It is skill-based, but it's still taking up your life and the dopamine. I would play all night and then I would go to school and teach the next day and I was doing it 8 to 16 hours a day.
I said, once I win a big tournament, I'm out. And I finally won the tournament, thank God.
And I went all in with like pocket eights. The other guy, or he had Kings and I still won by fluke.
And I'm like, this is skill, but it's luck at the same time. And I was like, I'm out.
I stopped playing. I haven't played since.
Was that a World Series tournament? It was on partypoker.net or .com. It was like a tournament with like 2000 people.
So you're playing like 12 hours straight. And there's a lot of luck involved.
I think I might've gone in like all five all-ins and had like, I was the underdog and just happened to fluke out. But when there's 2,000 people in a tournament, I mean, you're bound to get lucky at some point.
You can't win without luck in a field like that. Exactly.
In the main event, there's 10,000 people now in the main event. Oh, it's insane.
So crazy. I was so, I like looking at, like, I enjoy math and odds and statistics.
So it was fun for me. But the addiction, it's just like, I need to stop.
I need to get my addiction elsewhere. I mean, I'm just sitting in my house playing, you know, games all night.
Right. You were a math teacher, right? I taught math for five years, but I'm primarily a physical education teacher.
Like I got my master's in kinesiology. I also have my master's in administration.
Like I should be a school principal. I don't look like one, but I did study in that.
So I taught a bit of everything. Yeah.
See, you're a good phys ed teacher. My teachers were fat growing up.
I think that it's important to kind of represent what you're doing. And I mean, I had mixed opinions on that.
Like I would go in my master's, there's some teachers that were like 100, 150 pounds overweight. And I'm like, look, I feel like you should represent the health aspect of it.
But like, if you're just eating cheeseburger and junk food and you're not trying now, if you were, you know, trying your best and losing some weight, it's like a good message. But to sit there and just be the overweight phys ed teacher, I don't think it's a good representation.
Like I don't want my personal trainer to be a hundred pounds overweight. Agreed.
Definitely agree. My teacher couldn't even run a lap around the track.
Exactly. I'm like, you guys need to run.
I'm running with the kids every day. I'm coaching every single sport.
I was coaching eight sports in one year after school, volunteering my time all the time because I love sport. I love seeing the kids active.
And so, I mean, that's what I did. That became my life.
What's your favorite sport to watch right now? To watch? I mean, I enjoy the track and field at the Olympics. Like that's what I like.
I don't really, I don't watch sports per se. I don't have time.
I stopped watching TV. Um, but like when it's the Olympics and it's track, like the a hundred meters, 200 meters, things that are over quickly, or even if it's swimming, the 50 meter dash, that kind of stuff.

Like I love it's over and done.

I don't like much team sports.

We got to sit there for two and a half or three hours

watching basketball, baseball, hockey, that kind of stuff.

But single events where it's one person against the rest,

I like that the most.

Track athletes don't get the respect they deserve, man.

Some do, some do.

Like for example, Usain Bolt, the 100 meter specialist,

but other events, I would definitely agree with you.

Like, does anyone even know who won an 800 meter dash or 400?

People know the fastest man in the world.

And that's about it.

That's it.

I had LaShawn Merritt on last month, 400 meter champ for the USA.

But no one would know.

I don't even know that name.

Exactly.

If you walk the street, no one would stop him.

Yeah.

And he can run a lap in like.

43 seconds, probably 42s, 43s. Yeah.
Crazy. But the 100 meters, no joke.
Oh, yeah. I had Justin Gatlin on.
Oh, cool. And because of Bolt, he never- Actually, he might've got a gold, but imagine racing against Bolt your whole career.
Yeah. Well, what's his- I'm so bad with names.
Our Canadian superstar, Grass. Canadian.
Oh, Neil deGrasse. Yes.
Or wait,grasse andre degrasse he had a a bronze and golds as a team and he's won i was in the olympics probably three straight times getting it like top three he was running against uh usain bolt just finishing narrowly behind him in like the 200 and so on but yeah so you could be the second best of all time but if he's the guys in your era. I wrote some of these guys like to be on my podcast, but I think they were too scared of me.
I didn't want to be on. We had a world champion.
I had Darren and Warmer, Warner. I'm so bad with names, but he won like the gold medal in the decathlon.
Yeah. They were like, yeah, no.
I mean, I don't blame them. A lot of these guys juice behind the scenes and they might think you're calling them out or something.
I wonder if they think that, but yeah. A lot of sprinters got caught.
I'm like, you don't understand. Like these guys are working regular jobs.
They have no money. And I'm like, you understand what we can do for you, like to promote you and, you know, you get millions of followers and how much money you can make from marketing and so on.
But they just go to work. They just do their two to three hours of training a day and that's it.
No, you're right though. Cause track athletes don't have a big social media following other than there's no money around the four, every four years they get popular for a month and then that's about it.
And they're done. And then they're making low six figures, which for a pro athlete that dedicates their whole life, that's nothing grades.
Exactly. Compared to an NFL star or even an average NFL player, baseball player, basketball player.
Yep.

You're still out there in Canada?

Yes.

I live out in Halifax in the East Coast.

You prefer Canada or the US?

I prefer the US.

I actually would support Trump's desire to have Canada as one of the states.

I would vote right now to go into the states.

Really?

Yeah. I've actually tried to move out of Canada, but we have such a high exit tax that it was unaffordable.
Like I couldn't really afford to move out. Are you serious? We pay 54% tax and then there's a 15% tax when you buy something.
So for example, a car, a million dollars, you have to say 15% tax. Then there's a 20% luxury tax on top of the million.
Anything over a hundred K, you have to pay a 20% luxury tax. So that $1 million car are going to cost you about $1.34 million.
And with a 54% tax, I'd have to make over two and a half million just to be able to afford that one car. Holy crap.
That's the tax that we have in Canada. It's the highest in the world.
I don't know. Not many people know that.
I did not know that. We have free healthcare.
Free healthcare means if you need a surgery, you wait for months and or years to get it. Or if you need anyone, I've been waiting to look at my tricep and I had a surgery.
It's months after it's supposed to happen. And so it costs a fortune, but you don't really get it.
And I'm like, if we could have private health care, I'd gladly pay for it. And that's what needs to be talked about more because we got Democrats in America saying they want free health, but they don't know about this.
Yeah, once it's free, then everyone finds a way to charge way more. Like if a surgery costs like say $1,000, they'll find a way to charge you $20,000 and then you have to have the insurance and whatnot.
And then the wait lists are so long, they put you on a wait list and then you die off before you get the surgery. Damn.
It's horrible. It doesn't work.
You confident in the new leadership or you think it will just be the same thing over? I'm not confident in anything. I think it can't get worse, but I'm not confident.
We're at trade war right now, man. Yeah, I see that.
Everyone's putting tariffs back and forth. I don't even understand what's going on behind the scenes.
There's reasons for everything. Is it because there's some fentanyl crisis going on for, I have no idea.
I see something and I'm like, I don't know. I don't have enough time to really dig deep into, you know, what's going on behind the scenes.
But I feel for you guys. I've had some guests from Canada and they said they can't speak their mind on social media or else they'll get in trouble.
I'm like, damn, that sucks. Yeah.
Like if you get shadow banned on Instagram for saying too much, like I had a shadow ban. I was talking about testosterone, HRT, and then all of a sudden no one's looking at my page for three months and then all of a sudden it's back.
And so yeah, it's happened a few times. Are peptides banned in Canada? Peptides are, it's like a legal loophole.
You can use peptides and or SARMs. It's not banned.
And even steroids are legal in Canada. A lot of people don't know that.
Like you can literally sit there with six bottles of testosterone and wave at a police officer and it's legal because he probably has it too. Like it's legal.
It's not legal to sell it though. But how do you think people are getting it? If you, you're legal to have it and, but it's not legal to sell it.
So if you have it, somebody literally has to have sold it to you. So it's kind of like, okay, what's actually going on? Yeah.
So they don't really care that much. That's why I think being in Canada, I'm able to make a lot of the videos that I've made, being open, honest, transparent about what I've taken various cycles because it's legal.
Like in the States, I understand why I want a lot of people lie. Like it's literally illegal.
Like, am I going to go on and make a YouTube video and say, I did this drug and this drug and that drug if it's illegal in my country? But if I say, hey, I use steroids, well, it's not illegal. So it's not that big a deal.
Like I'm not going to go on a YouTube video and say, hey, guess what? I was stunt driving last night, driving 240 kilometers an hour. Like, let's keep that a bit of a secret because we don't want to, you know, have the people like looking out for you.
Yep. Which steroid that you took had the worst side effects? The trend, trend was for sure the worst for, yeah, trend by far.
The worst side effects. Not able to sleep was the worst part about it for me.
The trend cough was also horrible where I'm coughing for several minutes where it feels like you're going to die. The night sweats that I got taking trend were horrendous.
Like literally you wake up in the middle of the night and you're like, how am I, what's the water? Like you have some of these dreams. You're like, am I like swimming? And you wake up and you're like, what's going on? You have to literally get towels under your back, that much sweat and the anxiety.
Like I'm pretty, pretty much a chill guy, but I'd sit there and it felt like I was, my heart was racing. It was the one drug where I'm like, I can't wait to come off of it.
Most of the steroids, I'm like, I felt good while I was taking them. Like literally, I'm not going to lie.
I feel like Superman. But this one, it's like, I can't wait till the cycle is off.
And I've only ever done trend for eight weeks straight. I'm like, I can't wait for it to stop.
It's just a bad feeling all the time, but the results amazing. But the way you feel not worth it.
Yeah. It doesn't seem worth it.
No. Holy crap.
Now being on HRT right now, I feel fantastic. It's so much better than like blasting high doses of steroids because you get that massive amount of muscle growth.
You feel great. But then when you stop, I would always cycle off after you get the opposite effect.
So you feel like Superman, then you feel like a dog shit after. Damn.
So are you cycling it or are you just going to keep cycling it on and off for probably 11 years. And right now I've been on a steady dose of HRT for probably, I think it's about five years straight now.
And my dose is 140 milligrams a week. And has that raised your testosterone a lot, I'd imagine? My testosterone levels vary between 550 and 765.
I've been tested many, many, many times. So it's always in that range.
So it's actually not that high. And I'm sponsored by Transcend.
They got my testosterone levels done. They're like, Hey, you know, you're actually only about in the average, like you could actually do more.
So they, they said, feel free to do 200 if you want. So I went up to one 70 for a week just to see what would happen.
And I felt more bloated. And I felt like I was retaining more water and I'm a guy that I like to be lean.
I'm at 8% body fat. I like being lean.
I also race bicycles. So the heavier my weight is when I bike, it slows me down on the bike.
So I'm actually a bike rider who lifts weights more because I ride my bike seven days a week and I lift weights twice, maybe three times a week. Oh, wow.
And so with the extra testosterone, I was getting more puffy and I didn't like it. I like looking lean.
So I brought the dose back down to 140. Yeah, 550 testosterone is way lower than I thought you'd be actually.
It's not that high. I was like, cause I'm on 140, but I first started at 100.
The doctor put me on that, like maybe eight years, a long time ago. Then I went to 120 and I went 40.
So I keep bumping up by 20 milligrams each time. And each bump, I noticed it immediately.
Like sex drive a little bit higher, a little bit more muscle stronger. And so when people take testosterone, they're like, yeah, what are you doing? A hundred milligram, 200, 300.
Oh, I'm on 500. I think I'll do a thousand next time.
I'm like, I noticed 20 more. Like people think you have to take so much higher doses.
It's not like that. Little, little doses can make a big difference.
Like, are you familiar with Alex Eubank? I've heard of him. He's got like over a million followers.
He was natty for a long time. I called him a fake natty.
I still don't believe he's natural his whole life. But anyway, he went on 200 milligrams and he put on like 18 pounds in like 10 weeks.
Holy crap. And I'm like, 200 is too much.
And so since that time he got his test levels done, he was at like 1500 nanograms a deciliter. Lowered it to 150.
So I was right along. I'm like, no one, not no one, but almost no one needs 200 milligrams.
Yeah, that's a lot. So if you see 200 milligrams did that to Alex and like the average guy is doing 500 plus, you can see why they're putting on a lot of muscle.
Jeez. Now, a lot of men obsess over their testosterone levels.
Do you think there's a downside to having a super high testosterone? The higher testosterone, some guys can't handle it because their sex drive is just too high. And so they can't think of anything else.
Yeah don't think there's a real downside to how you feel other than perhaps having some of that anxiety I talked about where I was on trend. Some people feel that on test.
It can change your personality where you're more aggressive. You're less calm.
But for me, I never had negative feelings that way. But the real problem is like the down or the negative parts for your health, like how it can shorten your life or the, the, the decrease in your good cholesterol, like your HDL goes down, just being less healthy.
But I think the, what really sucks and what people really care about, because people, people don't care about, oh, it takes 20 years of my life. People don't care about that, but I'll tell you what you're going to care about.
If you have really high levels of testosterone and you stop, so you go on a steroid cycle and you stop, a lot of guys can't get it up. Do you know how many calls I've had? Like I do phone consults even to this day.
And I would say 50% of them involve libido issues from coming off steroids. When they're off steroids, you can't get a hard on.
You're not excited. And the problems you have, it sucks.
Like losing your libido, like not being able to get an erection as a man, like that's one of the most important things in your life. And if you lose that ability, and some people are like, I can't get up ever.
Even with, for example, Cialis or Viagra. And I'm like, man, it's like you do your best to try to help them.
But oftentimes people just can't do it or they can't get hard enough, long enough to continue to have sex. And so one of the worst things to worry about when doing steroids is what happens when you come off

and you can't have sex. Like, I mean, think of it.
People are using steroids just to look,

have the body to get laid in the first place. But you do really high doses and you feel amazing.

You want to have sex three times a day. Then you stop and you're like, I can barely have sex once

a week. Wow.
And that's a legit problem. That's not good.
Did that happen to you?

I had a very difficult time. I had to use Cialis for a while.
I probably went from wanting to have sex like three times a day to maybe once or twice a week. Damn.
So it's very significantly down. And then in your head, you're like, uh, is it going to work? And then once that starts happening, you can actually get some confidence issues.
And then you're like, I'm worried about it now. So yeah, it is a problem.
Jeez. Were you able to get that fixed or was it irreversible? I was, but I had him on HRT.
Now without HRT, I definitely would have issues. There's no way I would be normal.
That's crazy. Yeah.
People don't know about this when they take roids. No.
I mean, I went off HRT. I, sorry, I was doing steroids and I stopped and then I went and got my blood work back and I had 47 nanograms per deciliter.
And the doctor's like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, well, I probably need HRT.
He didn't want to prescribe it. So he sent me to an endocrinologist, an expert in hormones, measured my testicle size and all this stuff, did another test.
And I was at 49. He's like, I don't want to prescribe you testosterone, but I think that the negatives of not doing it are worse than the positives.
In Canada, it's very hard to get HRT. In the States, they just give it like candy.
It's like, it's like nothing. Go to any HRT clinic.
They're going to prescribe it. But for me, very difficult to get, he didn't want to prescribe it, but yet he did.
And he started me at a hundred and he was like, I only want your testosterone levels to be at like 16 to 18. And that's on the Canadian scale.
You have to multiply by like 27. So maybe it's like 400 or so, somewhere like that.
Just some quick math and 400s. And I was like, I want to be at the top.
I want like 800 nanograms. No, I won't prescribe it.
If you come back and your testosterone levels are at 23 or so, I'm lowering your dose. And I'm like, oh, well, that sucks.
So I was at 100 milligrams for a while. Then the endocrinologist, I stopped seeing him, saw my own doctor.
I'm like, I think I could do better with a higher dose. And we tried 120 and I felt better.
And he's like, okay. So that's like a reasonable doctor.
Like if I raise the dose a little bit, 20% and you feel better, well, let's do that. So long as your cholesterol makes sense and so on.
And so that's where I ended up at the 140. Yeah, that's reasonable.
Cause you see a lot of clinics just throwing out absurd numbers, right? Yeah. Like when Alex Eubank was at 200 and he just showed up and he was at 350 nanograms per deciliter.
But his test before that, he was at 922, I think. I'm like, does he really need HRT? He's 25 years old.
He was at 920. Now it's 350.
Maybe test him again. Maybe a couple of days later, a week later and see, maybe it'll be back to 500.
That's so young to be on HRT. Yeah.
And once you start like at 200, it's hard to go off. Like if he ever goes off, he might experience erectile difficulty.
He'll probably lose most of the muscle he put on. And then it's not just physically addictive, but psychologically addictive.
Like you mentally look at your body and you're like, where's all my muscle gone? I don't like how I look. Like Alex Eubank cares so much about how people perceive him.
Like, why would he have gone on HRT in the first place? He wanted to be lean and jacked. And so if he goes off and he's like, hey, I'm, you know, a year from now, I regret being on HRT.
Well, if he stops, he's going to lose 10 or 15 pounds of muscle. And is he now going to like his body at 175 pounds when he was at 1.190? Yeah.
Yeah. I saw you on Thurston's podcast.
You were saying you were natty in your twenties, right? All my twenties and teens, I competed 42 times natural and I was able to stay natural, I think because there was less social media pressure. I think that if I were born in today's time, I don't think I would have had the courage to resist testosterone or any steroids the way that I did.
I think I was lucky by being born in the seventies and I competed and I was basically competing against myself. I didn't see photos of other guys at convenience.
You just showed up on that day and you didn't really have that much pressure. I remember my first nationals.
I thought, you know, I've won provincials. I've won Atlantics.
I look pretty good. I'm going to show up to the nationals.
I'll probably be just as big as the big guys. I was 140 something and the winner was 208.
Damn. I was like, what the hell? He won a second place in open men's bodybuilding.
So here's a heavyweight bodybuilder in open men. He's only like 20.
And he's like, I mean, this guy is like, he's almost as big as when I was a pro and he's a kid, but obviously not natural. So I had no idea.
I was like, what people can look like this at this age? I was not exposed to this. So I was lucky.
I didn't have that pressure because it wasn't like social media. I didn't have the Instagram to look at.
I had the guys at my gym. I was the biggest guy, the strongest guy as a kid.
And I'm like, no pressure. So it was easy for me to stay natural.
But eventually you caved in. Eventually when my gain stopped, like I was so motivated by improvements.
Like every year I kind of gained like three pounds of muscle, three here, three there. I was doing triathlons at the time.
I did 13 years of competitive triathlons and I was bodybuilding at the same time. And so my gains weren't that fast.
So I was gaining like three pounds of muscle a year, but then I stopped doing the triathlons. And then I was like, oh, now I've gained five pounds because I wasn't doing any cardio really, stopped doing all that stuff.
And so I kept getting more and more muscle. But once I hit into my early thirties, I was like gaining like one pound in a year of training perfectly.
And I'm like, well, that's it. And I won the Canadian national drug tested championships.
Didn't get a pro card. They didn't get pro cards for that back then.
They do now. And so I'm like, if I want to turn pro, I got to use steroids.
So I was like, I want to be a pro. I want to be sponsored.
I want to make this a career. And that's why I use steroids.
Looking back, would you have done the same decision? No, I would. Obviously, I have regrets now.
And it wasn't only till the last few years where I started having regrets, but it's only because I became old enough that I could reflect and think, well, why did I do that? Why did I need that? Why did I need that glory and that fame? But then I compare it to how much do I want to be on this earth? And when you get older and you do some more reading, you reflect, you're thinking, it's not that important. It felt important at the time.
Like when you're 30 years old, you think, oh, the abs matters a lot. You're like, oh, I don't really look good.
I don't have a six pack. But then think of yourself 20 years from now or 50 years from now, you would pay a million dollars to look the way you did at 30 when you're unhappy.
The worst you look, like me at 49 I feel pretty good, but let's add a bad day. I'm feeling kind of like sloppy.
Imagine when I'm 80, I'm going to look back into this and I would trade in a heartbeat. And so why not be happy with how you look now? Because 25 years from now, you're going to look back and be like, man, I look fine back then.
I should have been super happy. That's good advice just in general.
A lot of people think their problems are so big in the moment. Absolutely.
We are so consumed with our thoughts right now, but we don't think about it in the longterm. And as a 20 year old, 30 year old, you're just not able to think about your life that long.
And imagine if I'm 70 years old and the doctor says, you know what, those 10 years of steroids, it did this to your heart and you got six months to live now. Well, if you hadn't have done it, you probably lived to be 90.
Like my grandparents and stuff lived in their 90s. I have good genetics for that.
But imagine I took 20 years off my life to look good for like what? For a pro bodybuilding show, to flex on stage. Was it worth it? And there's no way like to take back 20 years of your life or even two years, it's not worth it.
And so a lot of people are thinking, no, it's worth it right now, but it's because you're a kid, like your brain isn't even done developing until you're 25. You can't understand what it's like till you're older.
And so what people should do is they should listen to someone like me. Cause trust me, I use the steroids.
I was natural for a long time. I wanted just as bad as all these guys.
And so I was once you like the trend twins. I was once the trend twins, they're powerlifting, they're bodybuilding.
They want to be pro. I did all of that.
But eventually you're going to be like, shit, I fucked up. I shouldn't have done that.
And it's not going to happen now. And so I'm not going to judge.
It's like, do this and do that. I'm just going to give you the advice.
I think you should stop taking steroids or at least lower the doses, whatever. They're not ready for it now, but maybe in five years when I say it again

and they have maybe another problem,

maybe another pec tear or what have you.

Then they'll be like, you know what?

Greg actually cared.

Like, even though at the time it felt like I was bullying

and saying, you know, Sam Sulik shouldn't use steroids.

He actually cares.

He wants people to be healthy,

but they're not ready for it.

But if I keep saying it year after year,

it's going to affect them.

And I think that other people

that are living vicariously through these fans,

like Sam Sulik's perhaps four or 5 million followers,

they might hear me make these videos.

And they're like, you know what?

That message makes sense.

I'm going to avoid using steroids

because what he says does make sense.

And who better to say it

than somebody who used to be addicted to steroids?

Right.

Have people you criticized years ago

reached out to later on?

Like, thank you for that advice back in the day.

I don't think many have ever done that. A a lot of people are write me in the DMs and whatnot and say, thanks to you, I didn't use steroids or stank to you.
I got off of steroids. That happens a lot.
Although it's not like famous guys that are doing it. Maybe they will down the road, but a lot of people who are fans of these people do that.
I get that every day. That's cool.
At least. I mean, it feels good for me because a lot of people criticize me.
You're such a hater. People hate you so much.
I'm like, yet my DMs are filled with such love and support for what I do. And when I meet fans in person, like not a day goes by, not an hour goes by that somebody doesn't walk up to me like on the street at a stop sign and getting photos.
And I love your work and you helped me lose a hundred pounds. And so people that criticize me, they think, oh yeah, I'll get them.
I'll put them down. I'm like, my bank of compliments is so high.
It's so full. It's exploding.
So if 10 people write, you're a short little manlet loser. Yeah.
Okay. It's not ruining my day because there's so many compliments that I've got.
I can handle it. Yeah.
It comes with the territory. They'll always be haters.
Exactly. Yeah.
It's an interesting dynamic with you because you get in these beefs online, whether it's Dr. Mike or Derek, but at the end of the day, you're actually trying to help people.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Like, like even Dr.
Mike and I's beef, which was a great beef. It was fun to do.
And it's now been squashed. Like a lot of the comments I make, I mean, although it's a beef, I still mean it.
Like, I still think he should retire from bodybuilding and I still think he should top taking steroids. He's been doing it for 13 years straight.
I think it would be much healthier. And I do think he's taking years off of his life.
And so although I might put in a lat spread fart noise and say he should get a better tan, I still think he should go natural. And I think he should still be healthy.
And he does put a great message. He talks about the dangers.
He talks about how he feels, like how he feels rage or aggression. He's very open.
He's honest. He tells people the dangers.
And so I'm like, could we take our own advice? Now, remember he's 40. When I was 40, I didn't regret it yet.
I'm 49. So I got nine years on him.
And although it maybe seems like we're the same age, I have been in the sport a lot longer and I've done all the things. And so I can look back and say, wow, I wish I would have stopped earlier.
And so perhaps Mike, maybe eventually he'll be like, you know what? Greg might've been bullying me a little bit, but the message is still the same. Even though I thought he was just trying to say this for views or attention, I still mean what I'm saying.
Yeah. Is there any truth to the 20 years off your life thing you said earlier? I absolutely think that if you're morbidly obese, example, like a hundred pounds or like really fat, like just eating crap and not exercising, that is the same as being on steroids.
And so I think that I lived 10 years of my life equivalent to if I was a chain smoker, or if I just went to McDonald's every single day and ate unlimited amounts of food and didn't do cardio. I think it has the same damage.
Now, some people get lucky and it doesn't do anything. And some people get unlucky and it really shortens their life.
And so 20 years off my life, it absolutely could have done that. Will it? I hope not.
And what have I done to try to make up a difference? I became a competitive cyclist. Like how many bodybuilders become bike racers? I don't know.
Like I'm a unique kind of guy. I'm like, I'm doing cardio competitively and only lifting weights twice a week.
And I encourage people to do cardio more than weights. And if, if you had to, if you said right now, pick one weights or cardio, which one you pick? I'm done weights.
I'm never lifting weights ever again. I'm doing cardio because the heart, that's the most important muscle.
If I biceps shrink five inches and I lose 50 pounds of muscle, that's nothing, but my heart needs to stay fit. Do you have some heart issues when you were taking all that stuff? I've never had heart problems, you know, knock on wood type of thing.
But my dad did have a heart attack two years ago. And, you know, my grandfather, we lived to be 94, my grandmother, 94, my grandmother, 99.
And my other grandfather lived to be like 77 or so he did die of a heart attack

so our genetics were pretty good overall but you know that's kind of a wake-up call because obviously

my dad didn't do steroids well not obviously but he didn't and so and he's a relatively fit guy and

so i'm like if that could happen to him it could easily happen to me and so how am i not doing

everything in my power proactively to ensure that that doesn't happen to me and so if you're sitting

on your ass and you're not doing at least 150 minutes of cardio week like i'm like how dare you

Thank you. my power proactively to ensure that that doesn't happen to me.
And so if you're sitting on your ass and you're not doing at least 150 minutes of cardio week, like I'm like, how dare you? How dare you not care about your health and take it for granted to just sit there when there's people laying in a hospital bed with cancer that would do anything in their life to be in your body, even if it's a hundred pounds overweight, just to go for a walk once. I just can't understand how people can waste their lives and sit there and not care enough.
Like, how can you just be lazy and play games all day? It's so frustrating. And so like when I was a phys ed teacher, all I wanted to do was to teach all these kids, I want you to love movement.
And I didn't care what it was, if it was basketball or running or dancing or whatever, just love to move because I loved it. And that's why I became a phys ed teacher.
I can't be a phys ed teacher anymore. I'm obviously a former drug dealer, which is kind of crazy.
But like, you know, cause I sold steroids. You didn't know that I used to sell steroids.
I was 20 months on house arrest. I used to sell steroids.
I was, you know, I got charged in Canada where it's legal. And I was like, I was kind of alluding to like, how do you think these people are getting it right so you know my I'm selling it to my friends like so I did some bad things and I stopped obviously but like so I did the exact opposite so I'm trying to make a difference and trying to learn from my mistakes I wasn't allowed to the United States for 10 years I'm only been allowed the last two years here I had to apply I had-year permission.
The lawyers I hired, I had three sets of lawyers who said, you, with the crime that you did, you have maybe a 5% chance of getting it. I'm like, if there's a 5% chance, it's going to be me because I'm trying to make a difference and I'm like, I'm a popular social media influencer and I speak out against steroids and dangers and who better than the person who did them, that sold them.
How do people think I know so much about them? Like I was literally involved in this to that extent. So I know the dangers, I know the harms.
I know the people, they come up to me and people tell me their problems, the pros, the cons, all of it. And so I'm trying to make a difference, trying to spread the message to be careful.
How common do you think pro athletes are using it? Not even just bodybuilders and weightlifters, just like NBA, NFL. I think less common than most people think.
I think most people think that every superstar is on steroids. Like for example, LeBron James or Lionel Messi or any soccer star.
I'm like, I don't think so. If they are, I think they're on very low doses of products that we're not even aware of right now because they are subject to drug testing, WADA, especially the most elite of the athletes.
They're on an athlete locator form. So they have to like be ready.
Like I even, I'm learning Spanish. I have a tutor from Columbia.
Her brother is a famous cyclist. I won't say his name, but they showed up his door not too long ago at 6.30 in the morning to drug test him.
He's like, he can't do drugs because they'll know where he is. Now, he's from Columbia and in other countries, they're allowed three chances to not show up.
So if you're not there, but if you miss three times, it's an automatic fail. So some of these guys are cheating.
They don't show up the first time, the second time, but you can't get away with that all the time. It's harder to get away with using drugs than used to be like Lance Armstrong and the doping scandal that used to be on.
It was a lot harder then. I still think that people are using certain compounds.
Like it's a lot harder to detect, for example, IGF-1 peptides and things like that. But people aren't just doing test and trend, for example, as professional athletes, but maybe doing some IGF or peptides.
I do think that some of them are doing that perhaps in their off seasons when they're not getting drug tested. Yeah.
But I don't think that's the difference between like a Conor McGregor or, well, Conor McGregor is on steroids, but Conor McDavid, I was trying to say, the hockey player and just like the other hockey players. Okay.
I had Colby Covington on last week and he was saying there's some new stuff where, I don't know, allegedly that they mask it and fighters are on, I don't know. Now, masking agents, for example, diuretics, they say you can't use diuretics.
It's a masking agent. But like they test for diuretics.
So if you're using diuretics, you're going to get caught, you know, with the diuretic itself. I'm not familiar with the highest up of, you know, excessive drug testing that could be done or what the millionaires of the world are doing.
I'm not like, I'm not an expert on how to beat a drug test using compounds that have never been discovered at this point. I'm sure there's some, but eventually they're going to get caught.
I mean, they do in fact, save urine samples and whatnot for years and they test them later on. And so, I mean, if somebody could get away with cheating right now, well, if they retest them later on, they'll find something, but you know, they're still catching people doing certain things.
And so I do think they're, they're mostly clean. Yeah.
Did you cover the Ryan Garcia incident? I did. I made several videos about that.
What was your opinion on that? Uh, going back to that, I said, he's definitely took Austrian. I believe it was Austrian.
And he was saying, there's no way I would do that. And the way he was posting, I was like, you're a dick.
I was like, I can't believe he's saying that. I can't remember if he made a response video to what I was saying, but I got a lot of hate for the videos I was saying, because he has a very immense fan base that really supported him.
I'm like, bro, just used Austrine. Now, did he knowingly use it? I don't know, but there's no way I think that he just, that somebody spiked his urine sample with Austrine to fail the drug test.
I'm like, no. How common is that when they take these supplements over the counter and it's laced with like Austrine or whatever? It's somewhat common.
It does happen. But I think that more likely than not, these guys are taking it and blaming it on the substance that they took.
Like I didn't knowingly take Aust yet you were four pounds over your weight class you couldn't even make weight and you did this it's like i don't believe that i think that maybe they just have that as a cover-up right because he never missed way prior to that so that was weird yeah very sus like so you always make weight and now you suddenly aren't making your weight and you're bigger and stronger and you won this fight because you perhaps had an advantage from taking that. Won it convincingly too.
Yeah. Someone he lost to in the past.
So it was interesting. It was very sus and I was all over that.
I made two or three videos. They didn't get a lot of views, however, but I was very confidently thinking, yeah, you cheated.
I got a list of eight names here. I'd love to get your opinion and see if they're on steroids.
Okay. Bradley Martin.
Hopefully I know who they are. Bradley 100% is on steroids and he admits to it.
Oh, he does? And he also says he's 260 and he's not 260. And what else? He is not as lean as he likes.
I think he has body dysmorphia. I think that he's not confident with his appearance.
I think that he's very insecure over his hairline. I think that he looks overly confident.
He has the big, you know, six foot two physique. I think he's excessively athletic, very strong, but also not confident within himself.
I think that he is just like a slave to social media and having to live up to how people have always thought of him. Like the first time I ever saw this man, he jumped out of a pool and I was like, how is this possible? I was so impressed.
This is years ago.

And I think that video brought him to fame, but I think he has to keep living as that former Bradley Martin.

I don't think he can handle like say being off steroids,

being a hundred percent natural,

not having that crazy looking physique.

I could see that.

Pressure is strong.

Yeah.

Have you met him yet?

I have.

I did a podcast with him.

Oh, you did?

It was great.

Yeah.

I like it. I love how honest you are.
Off camera with him. He's great.
You were just roasting him too. I mean, I just tell you guys what I think.
He's roasting, but at the same time, I also said he has amazing athletic ability and he's like, he looks amazing, but I think that he feels pressure to keep like that. Just like The Rock.
Yeah. The Rock, he's always looked amazing.
The Rock, I think, is on more steroids than ever. And I don't think he dares to come off.
Like, do you think The Rock's natural? Do you think there's any chance? There's no way. I think he keeps doing bigger, bigger doses to keep like, I'm going to be in the best shape ever at 50 something.
Really? And so I think The Rock has also body dysmorphia. And I don't think he can handle looking at him.
I think if The Rock woke up and was my size, he would just like be like, I can't go outside. Yeah.
Like I think he has so much pressure put on himself to be The Rock, even though he's got 500 million followers, that he can't handle it. He needs steroids.
Yeah. And you take offense when people lie about it, right? I hate that.
Even not just lying about it, but I'm also taking offense that The Rock doesn't say, look guys, and not maybe say how much he's on, but I'm not an addy. I'm on HRT.
It's probably prescribed by my doctor. I'm not breaking any laws, but like when you see this physique and whatever black Adam, it ain't natural.
Don't think you can look like me. I think he owes it to us as a social media influencer, as a, as a, one of the world's most famous celebrities to say, I am not natural.
And you guys should know that because you should not expect to look like me because he's quick to show him in the gym, hardest worker in the room at 4.30. Yeah.
You're able to train at 4.30 because you're probably on some kind of stimulant and you're on testosterone gives you more energy. You don't need as much sleep because you're on this peptide and this growth hormone and this IGF and this BPC to heal your injuries.
Yeah. Yeah.
I wish people were just more open. I think the Rock is one of the biggest influence in the world that needs to come out and admit to being on stuff, PDs and whatever, that could be a paradigm shift in thinking to make the world realize, wait a minute, all my celebrities are probably on steroids.
Yeah, I mean, almost all the WWE stars, right? So I would say 95% would be. I would also say 95% of action heroes that if you think they're on steroids, 95% chance they are.
Like if you're betting, just bet the house on every single guy and you're going to be rich. How quick did you know Liver King was on steroids? Within like 0.1 of a second, like as fast as my reaction time could open my eyeballs.
And he was saying he wasn't. It's just shocking.
Like I can't believe I did a poll and I think five or 10% of people

believed he was natural.

I'm like, there's five or 10% of people

that are that stupid.

Those weren't his customers.

5% of people believe that Michael Hearn is natural.

I'm like, how can you be that dumb?

Like, can I find these 5%

and like bet millions of dollars with them?

And then I'll say like, Mike, look,

take a drug test.

I'll give you a hundred million dollars

and I'll split it with you.

And we're going to bet with all these 5% of idiots

that you're not, and we're going to just show it.

Thank you. And we're going to bet with all these 5% of idiots that you're not, and we're going to just show it.
That's actually smart. There's sites you could probably arrange that on.
I would love it. There's no way Mike's natural.
Like, I mean, are you serious? Like there's less, no, it's probably equal to the liver King, equal to the rock, the rock liver. They're all at the same level of not even one in a quintillion which is my favorite number chance that this guy is natural has he done a test or no he's never ever honored a test or or i've called him out just do a blood work test he's gotten his blood work done but he just doesn't post it oh so he's not natural because if he was natural it's so easy just post something yes so even if i were him i'd you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go off gear for like three months and I'll do the blood work and I'll pass it and I'll post that test and I'll go on right after the test and say, see, Greg, I proved it.
I would at least do that. Yeah.
I was trying to prove it. In the last 20 years, you couldn't have taken blood work once when you're natural because he hasn't been natural once in 20 years.
I mean, he's probably scared to see the results too. I would say he, he looks at the results and realize, okay, maybe I can't go on trend that long.
He probably cycles on and off depending on the roles that he's in for movies and so on. And there's no, I believe it's just HRT either.
Yeah. What about RFK Jr.? RFK Jr.
That's that. Oh yeah, I did an ad here not on him.
So he's on on bioidentical testosterone, his words, which is a fancy word of saying he's on HRT. Bioidentical means nothing.
Testosterone is testosterone. And so he is openly admittedly taking testosterone.
I think it's higher doses than me. And I think he's also- Because he's old.
He's like 70s, I think. 67, I think is his age.
And he's got that proper tan. I've seen him with the flexing and doing the push-ups.
He is very strong. I'm against a lot of the things he says in terms of the nutrition of the United States, like thinking that, oh, if we get rid of dyes and we do this and do that, that it's going to save...
Seed oils. Yeah, like he's one of those guys.
But I think he's also on peptides. I don't think he admits.
He's probably on growth hormone. And so he's admitted to being on HRT, but he doesn't want people to know it's testosterone.
He wants to call it bioidentical hormones, which is like a catchphrase to just say, it's test, but it's not the test that you're thinking because I don't want anyone to think it's steroids. He's on steroids, 100%.
Yeah, I figured at his age, looking that strong had to be. Yeah.
Jake Paul. Jake Paul, I think is not natty.
Not natty. Not natty as well.
Okay. What about his brother, Logan? I think both not natty.
Yeah. Jake Paul.
Jake Paul, I think, is not natty. Not natty.
Not natty as well.

Okay.

What about his brother, Logan?

I think both not natty.

Yeah, they put on a lot of muscle, both of them.

And I mean, they have the kind of money and the funds to be at the highest level to get the proper testing, to get the peptides that they need. And so when you say, are you on steroids?

It's like most of the fake natties, if they really want to be fake are going to be on very low doses of testosterone. For example, my dose, if I showed you my testosterone levels and said, look, I'm natural, it's 550 to 765.
You're going to say, yes, but do I look natural? I'm on HRT. Admittedly, my testosterone levels are in the normal range.
Doesn't mean I'm natural, but if I want to fool it, I would take no testosterone at all.

And I would take every peptide I could take.

I would take like growth hormone, IGF-1, IGF-2,

cermoralin, testorelin,

all the different peptides that you could think of.

I would take all of them

because how is that going to affect my test levels?

It's not going to shut down my production of tests.

And so I'll do the blood work.

My test levels will look normal, but I'll be putting on all that size from another method. That makes sense.
I don't know if you know this guy, Wes Watson. Wes Watson is admittedly on, is he not? Does he not admit to being on test? I'm not sure if he's admitted.
I don't watch his content. So Wes Watson is not just on tests.
He's on high doses of tests. And I would say trend and I would say everything.
I think that is probably likely one of the cause, I would speculate that if he was not on testosterone, he wouldn't have kicked that guy in the face on the ground in that assault that he did in the gym. And I do believe he'll go to jail.
And I think he's an idiot. And I think he's a horrible representation of what an alpha man is.
I think he's extremely beta. I think he's trying to make up for being a beta by pretending to be alpha.
The loudest man in the room is often the one who's the most insecure. If you're that confident in yourself, do you really have to show off that you can beat up other people? Like, I'm not going to walk around and be like, I'm tougher than you.
I could beat you up in a fight and have to wrestle. I'm like, I can't fight.
I don't know what to do. If I was in a fight with you and you know what to do, you'd probably kick my ass.
Yeah. I don't't feel like I'm a beta.
Like I'm like, I can admit this. And I think that Wes Watson for being a man who lied about his height, he's added three inches to his height.
He says he's around six feet tall. He's like five foot seven.
He walks around with shoes, with lifts and lies about that. It's like, bro, you're so insecure that you can't even admit your height.
I'm five foot 6.0. I was 5.6 and a half when I was a kid growing up at my max height.
I don't add an inch. I don't take off an inch.
If somebody says what you weigh, I weighed 189.8 this morning. I was 191.2 yesterday.
I don't exaggerate. If somebody asks my dick size and be like, it's this, I don't care.
Like, I'm just like going to be honest and tell you the facts. Yeah.
I love that, man. Yeah.
It looks like you might get locked up for that one. I would say I would expect him to.
He's already been like with prior charges and whatnot, have been a convicted felon in the past. I mean, it was his first time, maybe not, but.
I can't believe he fell right into it. The guy was recording it clearly.
We wrote him in private and challenged him. He says, bro, come to the gym.
Like this was pre, pre-planned. And then he went to the gym and he's like, Hey, you know, I'm the guy from Instagram.
Let's let's fight. He's like, okay.
And he had his goons right there helping him. And it's like, okay, you can, you can, I said, Hey, like, look, fine.
You can self-defense. You can do what he wants.
But once he's on the ground giving up and then you soccer kick him, like he's Lionel Messi. I'm like, bro, that's going too far.
Yeah. A hundred percent.
David Dobrik. You think he natty? I said in a video, it's got like 460,000 views.

Not natty.

We brought it up in the podcast yesterday.

I'm like, this guy's not natural.

And everyone's like, yeah, but Greg,

you posted a photo of you when you were like 18.

You had more muscle than him.

I'm like, yeah, but I had great genetics.

This guy does not have amazing genetics.

And to look like that with average

or below average genetics suddenly, likely not natural.

And so when I say not natty, I'm saying, is it more than 50%? And so if I'm betting, I'm going to say something. Why would a guy with that many followers with that much money, why would he not use something? Like, why not? Like steroids work, peptides work, SARMs work, all these things work.
And so if he went to an HRT clinic or a doctor and said, you know what? I feel like shit. I have no energy.
I got the spare tire. I want to lose some weight.
What can I do? You don't think the doctor would be like, well, you could take a GLP-1. You're not going to be as hungry.
You could take some peptide, some IGF-1. Oh, you hurt your bicep training, BPC-157, TB5.
Like, why wouldn't he? Unless you have some moral obligation, like your morals are saying no. Is he entering the Olympics? Is he a drug tested competitor? So why wouldn't he do all the things to do to be healthy? Like, I'm not against PDs.
I'm not against that if you're doing it in a healthy way. Like HRT, if you need it, I'm not against that.
BPC 157, I'm not against it. Cialis, I'm not against that.
Like, if it's going to help you and you can do it in a healthy way, well, by all means. Yeah.
How many times have you been wrong about a natty or not person? I think three times in total. And I made videos about all of them.
So one was Lex Little. One was the power lifter.
I'm so bad with names. And when I'm wrong, I just make the mistake.
Hey guys, you know what? This guy came out and he showed this. He did a drug test and he proved it.
And so I make a video. That's respect.
I'm not too proud or I'm not going to live on a high horse and think that I don't ever make mistakes. But if I do, I'm going to admit to it and say, bro, you know, props to you.
You did it. Well, you've done a hundred of those.
So you're shooting high. So that means 3%.
But I mean, mind you, I might've said some, I think one guy said was natural and looking back, I I'm like, was this Jason something? Or some guy, I'm like, yeah, I think he's natural. And then looking back, I'm like, he probably wasn't.
So I've probably been wrong the other way, but no one's going to correct me. Oh, hi, Coach Greg, I am not natural.
Like, so that doesn't happen. And then it's possible that there's guys that have made natty or nots that are actually natural.
So there's probably wrong a couple more times, but I mean, I'm positive, right? At least 90% of the time. Yeah, because you're looking at the data.
It's hard to like- Yeah, and it's not the photo. It's more of the before and the after and the timeframe or the graph.
If you gain three pounds of muscle a year, then all of a sudden you gain 15. Like when I look at my growth in the past and you look at 2009 and you're like, what the hell happened in that summer? And it's like, it's so obvious to me.
And if you look at other years and you're like, yeah, but you're looking about the same and you look a little bit, but if suddenly you put on that much muscle, it's pretty obvious something's going on. Yeah.
What about Mr. Beast? Mr.
Beast, I believe is natural. I have no, I think that he should take something, but like I think that he's 100% natural.
I can't see why he wouldn't want to optimize. But I mean, there's so many things you could take.
But I mean, he was, was it 40% body fat at his heaviest? He was pretty chubby at one point and he got down to about 20%. But yeah i see no reason why this guy is just he's like he's a lot of ethics or not ethics that's the wrong word he's got he's really dedicated or he's more like obsessed yeah like a man who can live underground for a week or like go to an island or do this or do that or hide himself like live alone like anyone with that kind of work ethic can do things natural and put themselves in a place.

Like he didn't eat for 10 days or something.

Like anyone that can do that can lose weight without it.

But if he wanted to take something,

like I would say, you know,

he could probably do HRT if he's,

cause not eating for 10 days,

your testosterone level is probably going to be crashed.

There's certain peptides he can do,

but you know, it's up to him.

If he wants to take something and to maximize and you know, do what you got to do. Last one, Zac Efron in Baywatch.
He was a hundred percent natural and I don't think he was only taking what he stated. So he had stated he was using a diuretic.
I forget which one, but he said, yeah, I took diuretics. I'm like, bro, you took a lot more than just a diuretic.
And then he talked about how he was depressed after and how he didn't feel good and that it was ruined his life and that he would never take that diuretic again. I'm like, going on and off Lasix, I think it was, isn't going to do that.
Taking a diuretic, it makes you pee water. It doesn't fuck up your mind.
And so he's like, oh, I can't do that. The mindset, I was.
That's taking steroids and then stopping because his testosterone levels were probably super high. And then they were crashed after.
And then how many months later was he back on cycle again? He became that freaking wrestler juiced out of his mind. And so he was in that, in that Baywatch, he was on steroids and admitted to something, but it wasn't the steroids he admitted to.
He probably knew better than I can't come out and tell them everything. So he gave us that.
And then he became a juiced up wrestler and didn't admit to it. I made videos on that as well.
Yeah. Greg, it's been awesome, man.
Where can people find you and keep up with you? On YouTube. That's my main spot.
I post every single day, just Greg Doucette or Coach Greg. Also on Instagram.
And those of you who speak Mandarin,

I'm blowing up on Billy Billy in China.

That's a huge platform for me.

And also on Snapchat.

So just type Coach Greg or Greg Doucette

and check me out there.

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Thanks for coming on.

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