Get Anime'd Unlocked: Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team Episodes 1 & 2

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Welcome to Get Anime, the anime watch-along podcast with the hosts of Get Played.

I'm self-proclaimed Junko's naked death body, Heather Ann Campbell.

I'm self-proclaimed NCredits porno mag, Nick Weiger.

And I'm self-proclaimed, probably out taking a piss, Matt Apodaka.

Hello, everyone.

Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the premiere anime podcast where we're back on on our shit.

Last month, it was animehem, and we were watching random anime along with you, the listener.

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But this month, we're back on the

we watched an anime, you watched an anime, and now we're all here to talk about it.

And that anime was not my idea.

It was not my, I mean, it was my idea, but not my idea.

You didn't create the anime.

Well, no, I'm saying that Nick, Nick was like, what if we watched Gundam?

And he pitched the original 1979 Gundam series.

Yeah, because what the fuck do I know?

I'm like, why don't we start from the beginning?

And I was like, what do you know?

I was like, in my head, immediately,

I was like, this is a slippery, what?

Nothing gone.

In my head, I was like, this is a slippery fish.

Yeah.

I don't want this to get away from me.

Nick has pitched Gundam, so I have to see it through.

But I also knew that the moment Nick found out that the original series was 51 episodes long, that it would get shit canned and we'd be on to something else.

So I pivoted and I was like, actually, you know, when I was getting into Gundam at first, a friend of the pod, Zig,

said, you know, you could start with two of these smaller series to see if you like it.

Either War in the Pocket or

the Eighth MS Team.

And that's what we've decided to watch.

That's what we're going to be discussing over the next six episodes of the podcast, Mobile Suit Gundam, the 8th MS Team, which you can find on Hulu if you want to watch along.

Hulu, baby.

I haven't seen this show since I began my Gundam journey.

Wow.

And it was the very first show I watched and I watched it without context.

Yeah.

And seeing it again, it is like going back to your favorite recipe and finding that there are so many more ingredients and the chef knows how to make it better.

Oh, interesting.

Interesting.

So I am so much more enjoying it than I even did the first time.

And so is this, I mean,

I'm sure we'll get into this because I'm a Gundam novice.

I don't know much about Gundam other than what I hear about it from you when Zig won't leave me alone about it.

Okay.

Is this in the Universal Century timeline?

Yes, it is.

Okay, interesting.

Yes.

So you are fully embedded.

And we'll get, I feel like, let's save all the Gundam talk for the Gundam part of the episode.

Great, great.

Which is going to be a chunky, healthy boy.

A nice big, big boy.

Look what daddy did.

Wait, what?

What?

The big boy.

What did dad, what daddy did?

Daddy, look what father has done.

What are you guys talking about?

A big healthy boy.

Is that...

Wait, is that supposed to be what you say in the delivery room?

I mean, I think you can say it.

It's a thing you can say if you want.

Are you talking about like a lump of shit?

What are you talking about?

It could be that.

It could be that.

Daddy could do that.

You say, look what daddy did.

There's almost no limits to what daddy can do, okay?

Daddy can do everything.

I, um...

I'm uncomfortable, and I wish I hadn't called that part of the episode a chunky boy.

A healthy thick chunky boy he's a chunky boy look what daddy did look what daddy did what does that mean i don't like that part i don't ever want to tag that sentence daddy's the thing that nick said daddy's a part i participant in the conception pro uh process so when the baby come out yeah baby big yeah and then doctor like

is this like what daddy did look what you dumped out and dumped out and made the size of a sperm does not indicate the size that it's not like science is unsettled on that.

No, no, the bigger the sperm, the bigger the baby, and that's just true.

But

how did this go south so fast?

Because you asked questions, that's why

we could have just kept moving along, and now here we are.

I'm very excited to get into Gundam because we haven't.

Look,

the only Gundam I've watched is Gundam The Origin, which was a thing you recommended.

It's called The Origin, right?

The Origin.

Well, you were going to watch Gundam in chronological order, and that's where you start if it's chronological.

Yeah, so I watched that one, but just like, that's my only context for this larger universe.

I did really enjoy it, but

I'm excited to dig into it further.

We are going to do that in just a bit.

But first, the question for the room is, what have we been weaving?

What we've been weaving.

Hi, it's me, Ash Ketchum from the world of Pokemon.

And I'm always here to ask the question, what you've been weaving?

And why do I ask it?

Because I love to choose.

And Nick Weiger, i choose you you're choosing me i'm choosing you wow ash i thought we would i i thought since we've all seen it we don't need to get into spoiler country uh but i thought we could touch on furiosa at least because first off this is this movie feels like an anime but also began development as an anime series um so uh george miller the the director was working with concept artist mihiro maeda and There's art you can find from the anime online.

I actually can bring it up here if we want to want to take a look at it.

But it was designed as an anime series.

It was going to come out before

Fury Road, I believe.

And they at least had written it and had come up with all this context.

And it's basically just like a bunch of backstory.

And if you're watching a Furiosa, it does kind of feel like a lore dump at times.

You're just like, there's just like a bunch of backstory for the

movie.

But before I open up for the movie Fury Road, but then it ends up becoming retrofitted as a live-action movie that just came out.

The one thing I am going to tee up before we open up discussion is,

this is a Polygon article.

George Miller explains what live-action Furiosa kept from the anime version.

We'll just read this little excerpt.

The only element taken from that concept that actually made it into the final Furiosa film, and unexpected from that concept art, rather, this is one character's concept art.

An unexpected accessory worn by Chris Hemsworth's villainous Wasteland Warlord Dementis.

The imposing figure wears a teddy bear chained to his body and places it on his vehicle dashboard as he rides around in his war motorcade.

After being exposed to the elements in the waistline, it's a pretty beat-up bear, but it's a key part of his look.

We won't get into the teddy bear's origin that's best experienced by watching Furiosa, but we can say its positioning highlights its importance.

That teddy bear might have started doing some illustrations and put that bear in, Miller said at a QA.

And then that became part of the story.

So that was already there before Fury Road.

But anyway, I don't know.

I liked Furiosa overall.

I'm curious what everyone thought.

I, I, you know, I've not seen the original Mad Max movies.

I've only seen the the Mel Gibson ones.

Yes.

And,

you know, I've become a fan of his recent work, so I do think I'll go back and watch.

But I love, I, I mean, like everybody who's seen Fury Road, I love Fury Road.

I think Fury Road is like

a miraculous movie.

It's one of the

one of the best movies ever made.

I think it's amazing.

At minimum, it's like just an incredible spectacle to have been committed to film.

It's an incredible.

It's probably in my top 10 favorite movies.

I think it's amazing.

I love that.

I love that for you.

It's just so fun.

I was like, this movie has

the impossible task of living up to a movie that good.

Right.

But I was also,

I went in knowing

George Miller's a crazy enough motherfucker to like maybe pull it off.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And like, I think he got pretty close.

I was like, this is, I like this a lot.

I, you know, we were talking about it off pod.

It's maybe an unnecessary story to tell.

Yeah.

It's, it's, at best, more time with a very fun and interesting, not fun, but like an interesting character.

Um, and it's cool to, you know, flesh out a character like Furiosa, who doesn't have that much

going on in

the original movie.

It's all, it's all an implication.

Yeah.

It's, that, it's, you know, this is spelling out what you can kind of infer from watching Fury Road.

But I had a blast and even though it was two and a half hours long, I was like, I could have sat here for like another 90 minutes, I think.

I just, I liked, I like seeing

this Mad Max world because George Miller is just like a freak.

He's like an 81-year-old freak.

And he's like, I'm going to name a fucking, I'm going to name a character Smeg.

Yeah.

This character's name is Smeg, and that guy Scrodus.

Yeah, I love Scrodus.

And this one drinks piss.

Yeah.

I'm like, yeah, this fucking rocks.

I was like, there's nothing.

There are no other movies like this.

No one has ever tried to make a movie that's like Mad Max.

That's not a Mad Max movie.

Right.

And I think that's super cool.

I hate to be the sourpuss.

That's okay.

I do think this would have worked great as an anime.

I agree.

I think that if it had been released, I wouldn't have wanted to see it before Fury Road.

But as like a supplementary, like, you know, anime project, I would have been like, oh, great.

And I never would have thought about it again.

Yeah.

I felt like it was a movie that answered questions that I didn't need or want answered.

And that in a way, it almost disempowered the

potency of Fury Road, which came fully formed.

It was like somebody gave birth to a 30-year-old woman.

Like,

it was a fully formed, complete.

Like,

you know, taking elements from the Mad Max movies, but ultimately creating a visual language and a uh implied continuity and story

that you could see things out of the corner of the frame and you'd be like what the fuck was that and to to sort of emphasize that idea

uh the best moment in

the best moment in I thought in Furiosa is when

one of the dudes is like uh

you know, I'm get on your bike and ride out of here.

And that guy and the guy he's yelling at goes, I only answered to Octoboss.

And then a guy looks at him and goes, go ahead, get on your bike.

And that to me was like, oh, great.

I don't need to know fuck.

I don't ever want to see Octoboss's trap, like backstory.

Sure.

Like, I just want to know enough to be like, okay.

And that also means these are different gangs.

I don't need to know how these gangs got together.

Yeah.

I don't need to know any of that fucking shit.

It's the coolest moment because of all of the implication and world building it does in a single sentence.

That's what Fury Road is.

But Furiosa is taking those...

It's like, it's like if you were watching Furiosa and then somebody was like, do you want to know more about the Octoboss?

Here, watch this six-part supplementary YouTube shorts.

And I'd be like, I mean, don't threaten me with a good time.

I'll watch a limited series starring the People Eater.

I like all these

freaks.

People Eater's the guy that

sort of robber baron looking guy that plays with his nipple.

He's the nastiest character design.

Can't imagine being that actor.

He's got like wearing a full suit with just the nipples cut out.

He's just like...

Disgusting.

He doesn't get like a big, huge swollen foot.

George Miller is a master of the grotesque.

Just like just representing just like disgust.

I know there's an answer for why that guy has a swollen foot.

I don't need to know that.

I agree.

I doubt it's what it is.

I need people.

Here's the thing.

I don't think this movie really needs to exist,

but

because it does, I can kind of appreciate it on its own terms.

But I mean, this is the thing.

It's like, it's not Fury Road, but Fury Road is this perfect spectacle.

And so

it's hard to compare it to that.

But yeah,

this this is just a general what Heather's saying and correctly diagnosing is just like the problem with prequels in general.

Yeah, it's like that stuff's more interesting if it's stays in someone's brain as opposed to being explained to you.

I haven't seen the original ones, right?

So like

Does is there ever like a

in this time

This is like this big thing that happened and that's why the world is a wasteland like do you ever get because I kind of like not knowing like why the world is like this.

By the way, I think Octobos is in another Mad Max.

I'm sure.

But I don't think his story is there.

This movie had characters that are just from the video game, and I was like, that's really funny.

Yeah.

He's like, also, he's been saying stuff about the video game that didn't come out as good as he wanted it to.

And I'm like, I don't know.

Clap Trap's in the movie.

He's in the movie and in the video game, and that's it.

Like, that's really interesting.

It's been years since I saw the Mel Gibson Mad Maxes, which I saw.

There's Mad Max, there's Road Warrior, Warrior, Road Warrior, and Thunderdome.

Yeah, Beyond Thunderdome.

And

I like, but

I remember, I think even Mad Max starts after the event.

Yeah.

Even though that's like the most restrained of these.

Because I think that's cool because it's sort of just like you can think about, you know, when was the last time civilization was civilization in these movies?

But it doesn't matter because like I just want to, I guess I want to know the inflection point where like when people are like, okay, my name's smeg this is the thing it's not that many generations yeah because like some of the some of like the older characters i think were either alive to see the world burn or like the children of the you know i mean it's not like yeah it's not like we're not like 10 generations in the future we're a couple generations removed so it's kind of funny that people have regressed to this this state already yeah i'm shit boy but

as somebody who's been you know super obsessed with viking history for the last few years watching uh these movies always makes me be like, it would have been hell to live during the time of the Vikings.

Oh, sure.

Because it's like, this is like a fantastic version of like roving biker gangs, but like essentially, Vikings were just roving biker gangs.

Yeah.

And they would torture people and it was horrifying.

And their religions were like inscrutable to us and bizarre.

And their religious ceremonies were insane.

So like watching like the

few opening

catalyst for the plot in this movie, I was like, oh my God, for sure people have done this stuff.

And not that like only a thousand years ago, this shit was happening constantly.

The best thing that they still happen in some parts of the world.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

The best thing that they figured out how to do in these movies is whoever, whoever the first guy was like, I'm going to put the top of that car on the top of that car and it's going to have two car tops on it.

Like, that's

cool.

That looks really cool.

Here's some of these character designs.

Hold on.

There's a Furiosa.

Awesome.

And then I can scroll down a little, but these are the anime character designs

that we can have the room here.

This is just like a cool, like kind of tableau with the Warboys.

Oh, yeah.

And then...

I would watch a Mad Max anime.

They should see it.

I know this would be awesome.

There's a Morton Joe design, which I think looks pretty rad.

Looks very Kojima.

And then I think the, is that it?

There's, oh, there's another angle of a Morton Joe.

That's great.

You know what else looks very Kojima is Solid Snake just just being in this movie and Kojima tweeting, boy, it was neat seeing Solid Snake on screen.

Yeah.

I can't remember that actor's name, but I thought he was really good.

Praetorian Jack, is that the character?

That's the character.

Yeah, he was really good.

Obviously,

Chris Hemsworth as Dementia.

It's a good performance.

He's awesome.

I was like, is this the best he's ever been?

I was just really like.

locked he he locked in he was really really good

he was by far the best part fun to see him as

a bad guy, which

I know he played a bad guy in some other movie, but I haven't seen that one.

But he was great.

It was refreshing to see him, like, I don't know, be like a full-on character.

Yeah, yeah.

Really, really good.

I enjoyed it overall.

The other things I've been weeping are just the typical, you know, kaiju number eight and still keeping up with that.

And then I'm in a new rhythm of ringing one manga chapter of one piece per night.

So that's been working out for me.

Yeah, he goes before just kind of a pre-bed pre-bed ritual.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah.

So that's what I've been weaving.

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How about you, Matt?

What have you been weaving?

I mean, it's great that Nick brought this up because I was,

I had a thin weeb week.

So I was like, I think there's something we could talk about, Mad Max.

So I'm glad we talked about it because it's just, it's been like the same kind of steady diet of one

demon slayer and one chainsaw man.

Nothing really new or substantial to report because I did my weeb time this week was for

the show that we watched.

So I'm excited to talk about that.

But that's it for me.

What about you, Heather?

Thanks, Matt.

I, so let's see.

I started reading the manga that I mentioned I'd purchased last week, which is History of the Showa era.

And I'm about 100 pages into it and I absolutely love it.

I've learned so much shit I had no idea about

from the time.

Like, I knew about the Great Kanto earthquake because of the Wind Rises

movie.

Yeah.

And I knew how that earthquake upset the economic system, which then sort of

is setting the stage for World War II, right?

But like seeing how

like in a slightly more granular detail, how that earthquake then causes businesses to need loans

and the government has to forgive forgive debt payment which then changes like it's all of this stuff is like all because

of this big earthquake

and that's i don't know i love i love history so much so like learning it in this very palatable very enjoyable format is is super fun yeah um so i'm loving that manga Can't wait to buy the next volume because this is like encyclopedia sized.

So when I get through it, I get to go from, I think it ends in,

I think it either starts in 1926 or ends in 1926.

So the next volume is in the 40s.

And I just can't wait to read it.

They should put, they should make

history books in manga format and then just have that.

They absolutely should.

Why not?

Why not?

I mean, it's far, it's so much more engaging than just.

Science and math, too.

Yeah, let's do it.

Everything manga format.

I wonder if there is any sort of American history comic.

There probably isn't.

It's probably awful.

I'm just trying to to think of how like possible, like jingoistic it would be.

Sure, yeah.

So I've read that.

I've continued watching

here on the tail end of the Universal Century timeline, Gundam Victory.

Okay.

And I want to tell you guys about a death that happened in the show this week.

These two people are on the outside of a spaceship.

trying to disarm a bomb.

One of them is the character Junko from the Shrike Team, the all-female Gundam Pilot Shrike team.

Well, not Shrike Team.

Not Junko.

And she is fidgeting with this bomb.

And then all of a sudden she goes, huh?

And then she is naked and floating in space.

And the camera very slowly pans up her entire naked body.

And she's like,

and at the end of her like breath, you hear her go, ah, and then she explodes.

Wow.

And it's like a slowed down, like visceral moment of her death and like the experience of dying as like a conscious psychic individual, like being born, being reverse born, dying.

It was very upsetting.

And also the explosion is one of those like anime like light explosions where you see the it hit the outline of a face and then like lines explode out the back and then she's just vaporized.

Um,

the deaths in Gundam Victory are far less important to the plot and thus feel a little bit more like actual war.

Like,

um, like stuff is just randomly fucking killing main characters.

And

it's not like,

oh, if I go, if I can enter into this space station and do this thing, then we can achieve this goal.

Oh, no, I died.

Now we can't achieve the goal.

It's more like we're fighting a random skirmish, and that character got blown up.

Yeah.

So, really enjoying Gundam Victory.

And I think that is the majority of what I weaved this week.

I'm also, I got that Vinland saga that I got for 40% off in the mail.

Hell yeah.

And I've started thumbing through that.

It's

really gorgeous, great art.

And it's a heavy,

heavy boy.

Look what daddy did hell yeah um

so that's what i've been weaving

i read what you were just talking about of just like the kind of random deaths that happen on the battlefield i'm reminded of just i feel like band of brothers was like great about depicting that and just like like there's like the guy who just finds like a german pistol and then he accidentally shoots himself in the leg and then just bleeds out yeah it's like oh man this is so It's like the most trivial thing that could happen.

Like, you know, it's not heroic at all.

It's just sort of like,

you're around dangerous dangerous shit, and at some point you might get blowed up.

Yeah, sucks.

He also, somebody else like writes a letter to his family in Bandit Brothers and is like, He died a hero.

Yeah, they're always doing that.

Was that is that what your uh, your self-proclaimed was was pulled from?

Yeah, oh, okay, yeah, got it.

Junko's naked death body.

Wow.

Um,

because I was like, because I was like, did I miss something from Gundam?

Since we're back on this series.

Oh, right.

I, I sort of was,

I baby bear this

Where I was sort of like,

there was some nudity in

this episode.

Oh, we'll get into it.

I should have, I forgot that we switched back to our old format.

So the self-proclaimed should have been from the show itself.

Don't make that mistake again.

Self-proclaimed, no air conditioning in the cockpit, Heather Ink.

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Mobile Suit Gundam, the 8th MS Team.

Let's get into it.

This was a 12-episode OVA that aired from, or was released from January 1996 to July of 1999.

The American release, I guess, aired on Toonami originally.

Yes.

Which, you know,

I definitely missed.

This show is new to me.

This was towards the end of a fully hand-drawn era,

the kind of mid-90s, and the level of craft is so high.

It's just a big part of what I appreciate.

It's just like, this is

a stellar-looking show.

Like, when characters get into a car, the car shifts.

Yeah.

And you're like, oh, oh, this is quality anime.

It's really, really good stuff.

A lot of interesting Klunt in

the background, you know.

Yeah.

I meant to look up what the actual term for that is, and I didn't.

The original director, we'll go with Klunt.

The original director, the Takeuki Kanda, who directed the first half of the episodes, died abruptly in 1996.

So he died during production completely unexpectedly.

So Umanasuke Ida took over midway through the series and directed the back end.

We'll see if that affects everything, anything, as we progress.

But

we talked about how it looks.

We'll get into that in more depth.

But, Heather, I'm curious if you can tee us up, give us some context for where we are in the Gundam timeline, both in terms of in-universe and Gundam, and then also in the

overall production of Gundam series.

So, Mobile Suit Gundam premieres in the year 1979

and airs through the year 1980.

There are 43 episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam.

That is the jumping off point for Gundam.

It is not canonically the earliest point of what is now known as the Universal Century timeline because all of these shows take place in a post

AD, like our, like it's our time, it's our earth in theory.

Somewhere around either, I think it's 2080.

We switch calendars and move into the Universal Century.

But Mobile Suit Gundam comes out in 1979 to 1980, and it is a flop.

It's a flop.

I didn't know that.

It's a tremendous flop.

Like, this is a

show about sort of military realism in

giant robots.

And it was not a hit because all of the robots up till then had been like superpowered.

Sure.

Or like, you know, you turn your belt and you turn into the robot or whatever.

That was cool.

So Mobile Suit Gundam is initially not well well received.

But then grows this very, very vocal fandom,

which begins having cosplay events and like public Gundam screenings.

And so Gundam gets a sequel, and that is MobileSuit Zeta Gundam.

Zeta Gundam is a continuum, like a true sequel.

It's a continuation of the timeline and establishes one of the things that Gundam does well, which is basically 40 years of uninterrupted continuity.

Got it.

Then after that, in 1986, you get mobile suit Gundam ZZ or double Zeta.

That's.

That's the one where they all have big, long beards.

Yeah,

they have big long

beards.

Nick loved saying that.

And I loved hearing it.

For these first few series,

the air date of the show generally takes place in the same year of the Universal Century timeline.

So 1979 is when Gundam airs

is Universal Century 0079.

It's like takes place in that year.

That's where we are with this series.

Yeah.

Mobile Suit Gundam Char's counterattack.

Char is one of the main villains of the original series.

He gets his own movie.

It is is awesome and gorgeously animated that comes out in the year 1988 and depicts the year

Universal Century 93, slightly behind ahead of sketch.

Is what I'm saying, making sense?

Yeah, I'm tracking it.

Yeah, because it's just like it's look,

to put it in

Western terms, it's kind of like Star Wars comes out, but it's not chronologically the first piece of Star Wars content.

It's about the stuff on either end of it.

Yeah.

So then then you start getting these standalone investigations of

events in

that.

So that's your first big chunk of the Universal Century.

Those like five things.

And then you start getting these single stories that take place within that timeline telling like on the ground or on like in space stories.

You get Mobile Suit Gundam, War in the Pocket.

You get Mobile Suit Gundam F91.

you get Mobile Suit Gundam, Stardust Memory,

and you get Mobile Suit Gundam, the 8th MS Team.

The 8th MS Team, the show that we're watching currently, takes place during the first Gundam.

During Mobile Suit Gundam, that very first series.

Yeah.

So if you're watching

the original 1979 show, and you're like, I wonder what's going on when these guys are fighting their ground war on planet Earth.

This is a story about those grunts.

So it is like, it is not featuring, it's like, if you knew that Superman was off fight, or, or I don't know anything about Superman.

This is Rogue One.

It's like Rogue One.

Yeah, that's what I'm just thinking of.

Yeah, it's like Rogue One.

Great.

Yeah, they aren't.

Like, these dudes are not the heroes.

These aren't Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.

No.

These are just some dudes and some ladies.

Yeah.

So this show comes out, as Nick said, between 1996 and 1999 and take place in the year UC 79.

And when I first watched the show, I was like,

I didn't know anything about UC 79.

So I'm just watching it as a robot show.

I'm watching it as Gundam in Vietnam.

It's like, okay, cool.

I can contextualize this.

I can enjoy it.

But now that I'm watching it again, these characters are watching like television in the pilot.

And they're watching a speech.

And I know when that speech is given in

mobile suit Gundam.

So I know that what they're responding to and why the heroes of the Federation are like, shut up, fuck this guy.

I wish he'd shut up.

Because I know what that speech is and when it's happening.

Do you guys want like a brief breakdown of the Universal Century timeline up till now in the show?

Yeah, why not?

Sure, yeah.

Okay, great.

What if we're just like, now we're good?

Yeah.

Oh, I don't know.

Hey, would you like a million dollars?

Oh, that's it's not a million dollars worth of story.

all right never mind i'll pass thanks so the very first thing that happens is uh is

um

the united federation of earth uh begins construction of these oneal cylinders which are the giant colonies that we uh that float in space okay okay um this happens in the year uh uc one the first year of the universal century and it sort of sets off uh an era of strife because the prime minister, whose name is Ricardo Marcineus, great name,

is going to give this speech about like how we are entering into a new calendar.

This is when Earth is going to become spacefaring,

and the 9 billion people of Earth who are overcrowding Earth are going to have some place to move.

But this speech is destroyed in a terrorist attack that also blows up the space station.

Nevertheless, people move into these colonies that are giant cylinders floating in space.

After a while,

the people living in space begin calling themselves space noids and calling the people on Earth Earth noids.

I thought you wanted to hear this.

Sometimes they're like stomping on them with a big pogo stick or something.

Running them over with a steamroller.

So, yeah, space noids and Earth noids.

And this becomes like a thing of like, it's the, it's the, you know, they're basically colonizing space.

Yeah.

But now they develop their own identity.

Yeah.

And we see some of that with characters in this series that we're going to discuss of like, my whole life has been spent living in a colony.

Did they also call them sides?

Is that another term?

Like within one of these, you know, enclosed structures that's a simulacrum of Earth's atmosphere, but I've never actually seen Earth itself.

And they're called sides because of where they are orbiting Earth.

So like side one, side six, side two, et cetera.

I don't have to get good at this, like Nick, because like Nick can goof around, but then like he does a lot of extra like paying attention and he can say a lot of stuff.

Like, so like, I think I got it.

I think for me to earn

my goofing off, I have to do some homework.

And that's fine.

No, you're doing fine.

You're doing great.

So,

um, as don't feel bad, don't you feel bad?

No, no, no,

what?

No, I'm just kidding.

You're not in trouble, yeah.

I just think I just saw an example of what I could be doing.

You're doing great, right?

To be fair, it doesn't make me like Nick anymore.

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So as there is this growing tension between these

space colonies and the Earth Federation, one of the space colonies,

there's an assassination of a leader

in one of these space colonies.

And in this sort of political upheaval, one of the space colonies declares themselves independent.

They declare themselves the Principality of Zeon.

And they go to war with Earth.

So now you have Zeon versus the Earth Federation.

And the people in control of Zeon are not good people.

There is like a very corrupt family lineage that is trying to create this sort of fascist monarchy

because

the true idealist of the space independence movement

was the person that they assassinated.

So, but they use that as the pretext for the precursor for, like, oh, this must have been Earth that assassinated this guy.

Right.

We're going to have to go to war with Earth.

And one of their first actions in this war is to

destabilize the orbit of one of these massive colonies and drop it onto the planet.

So,

a huge catastrophic environmental,

like

tons of people die.

Yeah.

And then we go into a war war called the one-year war between space and earth.

And it is during this time of conflict when Amuro Rei is out in space fighting in the Gundam that we join our heroes here in this story heading to Earth to help pull or to help fight back the Zeon forces who have landed on Earth in an attempt to take it over.

Now, is this,

and I appreciate all this context, is the Xeon Federation, are they, I'm sorry, Xeon and then the Earth Federation is the other one.

Yeah, the Principality of Xeon

and the Earth Federation.

Earth Federation.

Is this like a clear, like, good, bad?

Because I feel like there tends to be like a little bit more moral ambiguity, at least a little bit I've seen.

At this point in the show,

it is hard to argue that Xeon is not just bad.

Right.

However.

The show and the original Gundam series and the series that take place after that.

Like, if you're watching this when it comes out

in the year 1996, you've already been told that

after Earth wins the war against Zeon in that one-year war,

they become fascist and everything kind of flips.

And then the people in space have to create an anti-Earth union group in order to fight back the encroaching fascism of planet Earth's Federation because Earth is like, we're never going to let a war like that happen again.

So many people lost their lives, and the only way to have control over that situation is to create a police state.

So there is a teeter-tottering of who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

But at this point, canonically, in the year 79,

Zeon has dropped a colony on Earth.

They've killed a lot of people.

They are led by a sort of neo-dictatorship of

really not good, not morally clear people.

And

that's where it is.

But we also know that there are good people in Xeon.

Like there are good people who are just colonists, who are just like, I want independence.

Yeah.

I want to live in my space colony.

And I think we're introduced to that concept very early on in the Eighth MS team.

The Eighth MS team, we're going to be talking about two episodes today.

Episode one, War for Two, and episode two, Gundams in the Jungle.

I guess we'll start with episode one, which is War for Two, the two referring to, I believe, our series lead, Shiro Amada and Aina Sahalan.

I'm not quite sure how to say her last name.

I don't know if it's pronounced anymore.

It's totally okay.

One of the things about Gundam is that everybody has fucking crazy names.

Yeah.

What is Char's last name?

Asnabel.

I've been ringing in my ears for days for some reason.

I've been thinking about the phrase Char Asnable.

Char is in origin, and he's like a little boy for part of it.

You get to get like his full backstory.

Yeah.

That's a big-time Furiosa.

Yeah.

And I was watching that, not knowing anything else.

So like I'm getting a bunch of backstory about that.

It's practically a Phantom Menace, it sounds like.

It's very Phantom Menace-y.

So we have Shiro and Aina, and one is on the side of the Federation, and one is on the side of Zeon.

So the series starts, we have this awesome OP with these

great bits of animation.

And the one thing I like about this,

this overall show, like the production value is very high.

It looks awesome, but also it's got this scoring.

A lot of it is kind of like this J-Jazz.

Like, you know,

it's got that,

but also has parts where it's a little bit more soaring and orchestral.

It's really vivid

musical palette.

Something that I, while watching this, I think realized that I was missing from anime

that we've been watching.

Uh-huh.

Is like science and robot sounds.

A lot of that, yeah.

Because like,

I don't know, just the movement, the like things unplugging, the like, you know, uh

parts changing into weapons and stuff.

I was like, this is, this is my shit.

This is, I love this.

Gundam, Gundam as a series really fetishizes a panel opening.

Yeah.

Like, if somebody's got like a fucking slot on their arm and they can open it up and there's gears inside or some ammo or whatever, or that, that panel like then flips and turns around and becomes like a light.

Like, all of that technical detail is like so lovingly rendered.

And this would have been contemporary with Evangelion.

Yeah, it contemporary to slightly after.

Right.

Um, so as Evangelion is sort of redefining what mecha anime can be and sort of ushering in this like biological horror of like, what have we done and what have we made?

And like the dawn of human genetics in

like mecha stories,

Gundam

is still being like, no, these are war machines.

Yeah.

What if you were driving a tank that could walk?

Yeah.

The in-universe explanation for why these robots exist is that somebody discovers a kind of particle that ruins

that ruins radar.

and uh

and ruins like the like basically a particle can be released onto a battlefield that makes it so that the smartest way to approach that battlefield is in a machine that can do more than one thing.

Because like you have,

your fog of war is so intense that you can't just send tanks in because you don't know where the enemy is.

Right.

So you need like a mobile ground unit that can also fly.

And that's why the

robots begin in Dundam, which is pretty cool.

Like, it's not just like, oh, we made robots.

Yeah.

It's like an answer to a tactic of war.

Yeah, it's got to be combined.

It has to be able to accomplish combined arms basically all in one.

Yeah.

Interesting.

I will say, this show starts right in the middle of things.

It is very much a media race.

And I felt immediately lost at my first view.

I was like, wow, this is, there's just so much being thrown at me.

Oh, man.

But I will say, when I watched this episode a second time, I was like, okay,

but it's just it's like immediately pretty immersive.

I'm not sure you felt Matt.

I was pretty overwhelmed.

I was pretty, I did watch this.

I watched both of them twice because I was just like, I need to make sure that I know that what was going on.

Am I 100% sure I know what was going on?

Still, not quite, but like, I do like, I knew enough to that I was, I that I was enjoying myself, that I was like, oh, like,

I don't know, I like this guy, and

I like this mean lady he found.

But

it does very much, you're right, like start like in the middle of stuff, which now knowing that it's not chronologically the like the first instances of Gundam makes more sense.

Right.

But

I think we should also clarify

one of the other reasons we're not doing the first Gundam show, not because it's just, it's 52 episodes or something.

It's like a lot of 43, yeah.

43.

It's, I don't know,

is it also a little more boring?

Like, is it like, is it just like old?

Well, yeah, I don't find it boring.

Okay.

But it's also archaeological.

Like, watching it, you're like, you appreciate the things that are happening that are new.

Yes.

If you're watching it from the vantage point of it being the 70s.

Sure.

And you're like, wow, it would be wild to watch a Saturday morning cartoon where so much of it was about the tactics of war.

Sure.

You know, like you'd be like, what is this?

You know, if, if G.I.

Joe was good, then that's kind of like what.

Hold on.

Don't say stuff you can't take back.

Have you watched an episode of G.I.

Joe's?

No, of course it's dog shit.

It's like, there's no way

to do it.

That to me is one of those things where I'm sort of like, it's insane to me that this is even popular at all.

Like, I get that probably the thing that is most popular about G.I.

Joe's was the toys.

Yeah.

Like, and that's, that's good.

The toys are good.

They didn't have to make a shitty TV show out of the toys.

It's like, because you watch those kids' cartoon and like, I'm not surprised when, like, He-Man sucks.

I was like, Of course, this sucks.

Of course, this was complete dog shit.

Uh, but I was surprised when I watched, like, Duck Tales.

I was like, wait, this is bad?

I thought this was like one of those things.

I haven't revisited that.

I haven't revisited Darkwing Duck, which I used to love.

All the duck stuff I loved.

I will say, not to get too into G.I.

Joe,

I went to an early screening of the second G.I.

Joe movie, which opens with Rizza on a mountain, like, fighting ninjas.

And

I got to leave like comments and like write comments on a card.

And I was like, I think this movie needs more ninjas.

Because that was the best shit.

Was when there was a bunch more ninjas around.

And then I watched it again later and they added more ninjas.

They're like new shots.

Put more ninjas in the field.

I was like, that's what I'm talking about.

It's fucking good.

I used to go to screenings like that all the time.

And I would never write anything on the comments but then the one time I write like this movie could use more ninjas.

They added like notes.

Maybe too many more honestly.

It was like it was like this went on for a little long.

Wow.

That's so funny.

Yeah.

So to answer the question about like

so original Gundam, Mobile Suit Gundam is old.

Yes.

It feels like the 70s, but it also feels strangely prescient about what anime is going to become with the sort of seriousness with which it treats what is essentially a kids cartoon.

Got it.

And then you're like, oh, this is what anime is going to be.

Like these, these guys are laying down the

pipeline for like,

what if we did this but serious?

It's like, it's almost like, what if somebody brought out,

what if some maniac was like, I want to do

The Simpsons, but instead of it being a comedy, I'd like to do it as a business drama with the same fucking drawings.

Yes.

And then that flops, of course, that flops, but then people are like, I really liked Succession Simpsons.

That's right.

And then, you know, 20 years later, everything is Succession Simpsons.

That's kind of what it feels like watching Gundam.

It's like, this is not quite the thing, but it's extremely good.

It's, it's, it's funny that you, you say The Simpsons, because The Simpsons itself, like season one of The Simpsons, you watch it now.

It's like pretty ponderously paced and it doesn't, it feels like pretty tame.

But at the time,

it's hard to even conceive of this now, but it was like subversive.

And it was like, oh, wow, there's adult animation on network television.

Like that's crazy.

Like people's minds were blown.

Yeah.

People were upset about like, like Bart is bad.

Like families are supposed to be good on television.

What's going on?

Yeah.

They have a misbehaved child.

Like it was like almost scandalous.

And it was like funny, but like not funny in the way that it eventually became so you watch it and it's just like but but then you see what the Simpsons turns into in a few seasons and it's like oh, okay, I see how we started from here and ended up there.

Yeah, even though that's all the same series.

That's not a spin-off series.

But that said, all that said, even though I was a little bit lost,

I'm in as soon as I see UC0079.

It's just like in Dune when they say when they have like the Chiron that's like the year 10,000.

I'm like, all right.

This is a different like unit of measure, of measuring time that I don't know yet.

UCO is 079, why not?

I did.

So I watched this yesterday and then I watched it again this morning, but I remember when I watched it yesterday

when that popped up and went, hmm, okay.

I was like, I don't even know what this is, but they're giving me information.

I was like, hmm, interesting.

I think that the reason this, so the onboarding of this show worked for me because obviously it started like a full-blown multi-year obsession.

yeah and and like us this is we should say this was your your on-ramp to gundam as you were saying yeah and i think all i needed to know like i didn't know need to know like all the political machinations of like who these people were i knew the dudes in the ship are good guys and the the people they're trying to fight are the bad guys and i can tell just from the mech design who the good guys and the bad guys are because you've got good guys got the white robots the bad guys got a green robot that whenever whenever it looks at you, it goes, boing!

And you're like, oh, fuck.

But also, this was interesting to me.

Good guy, Mech, pointy.

I associate pointy with bad guy.

Oh.

Bad guy, Mech, kind of round.

Yeah.

He's a round guy.

A big boy.

But beyond that, I was like, okay.

So you've got these.

kids flying in.

They're clearly deploying for a war that's happening on Earth.

And then this shit happens out in space.

Like none of these characters pre-exist.

So it's not like you're like, oh, what happened to that guy who got in the robot and then was lost his legs out in space?

Like all of that is like introduced exclusively in this show.

Yeah.

So when they're like, oh, there's a distress signal.

I'm like, okay, there it's a distress signal for the good guys.

They go out to rescue him.

He doesn't have a mech on the ship.

I'm following.

And then he runs into a bad guy.

And surprise, it's a girl.

Yeah.

It's a, it's a, look, I, I think it's all, I like all of it.

I'm just, I like, I guess probably I was just disoriented because it felt like just a deluge of information and just like a, you know,

I'm just trying to track a lot of stuff.

But but I but overall really like it.

Yeah, we, we've got like this, this, I love how janky the spacecraft looks that they're in their transport.

That's really good.

I love like the little bit of zero gravity with the floating objects.

And yeah, obviously we set up that they're tasked with getting the Xeon forces off of Earth.

And then the part that we were just talking about, so the new commander, this is Shiro, who we later learn, goes out because he sees this distressed craft.

He's going to see to try to rescue somebody.

But they just have a ball, and he goes out in the ball.

And it is very 2001, like kind of like hard sci-fi feeling, but the design of this ball is really awesome.

Yeah, it's a really good ball.

It reminds me of the submersibles that go down to Titanic.

Sure.

Like, it's like just like a very functional, pragmatic craft.

Right.

It's probably used to like repair shit in space.

Yeah.

This one works.

Thinking more.

So did the like Cameron's ones work.

I guess Cameron's Cameron's going down there just fine.

Yeah, he's going down.

He's making avatar three, four, and five.

This one wasn't filled with five billionaires and like someone with a PlayStation one controller.

Yeah, and a mad cat's controller.

Yeah.

I will say.

Hearing you voice that you're just kind of like dropped in in the middle, I think that is how Gundam also starts.

The original series, you don't, you aren't taught anything.

You're just dropped in in the middle of an ongoing war, and then they back feed all of the stuff that had happened previously.

So I think that's maybe

the flavor of this is like seeing a documentary for a different world

and kind of having to put together the pieces as you go.

So I'm watching both of these as the, I'm watching the, and as I watch it subtitled first, and then I watch it in the dub, and I'm taking taking notes on my second watch with during the dub.

And Matt, I don't know if you watch the subs or the dubs, but there's a, Heather, I know you watch the subs, but there, there's a part when we talked about when he discovers that it's a woman, he fucks up this mech with the, uh, with his toe cable from his ball.

Uh, a Zeke, that's what they're called, right?

Is that the nickname for it?

I guess, yeah, but I don't think that's what they're saying in the original Japanese.

I think that that is a localization to make it feel more warlike because there's a couple of localization subtitling things that I was like, I'm not sure that's what he said.

Okay.

Whatever.

It's like a nickname for the

Zeke.

Well, no, Zeke's, I think, are

so the craft is a Zaku.

The craft is a Zaku.

And the Zeke's, I think,

are those robots, but I felt like it was also interchangeable with just...

Xeon forces.

Yeah, like a part, maybe like the Zeke is the guy piloting the Zaku, whatever,

whatever it is they're referring to.

He fucks at the Space Mech with his tow cable.

It looks awesome.

Pilot ejects.

The delivery in the dub of him noticing the pilot and seeing her feminine forms going, a woman?

Yeah, it is so funny.

There's a few things like that where I was like, I think I might have to switch.

It's overall a good dub, but there's a few parts that are maybe a little bit broad.

Well, in the subtitled version, they say the F word.

They do, yes.

And I don't think that's in the dub.

And I don't think that's also in the Japanese.

And I was like, who at what point in the translation process was like, I'm going to use this derogatory word, the word for homosexual in a fucking subtitling is insane.

Yeah, really, really, really a big choice.

Love the mid-card in this show.

Like, this is really cool looking.

It feels very, I guess just the era this is made, it would, but it feels very snatcher to me.

Like just like kind of like the look of the vibe of everything.

i almost didn't i didn't say this because i was like this that's not true i was like i was like i because i was also thinking i was like a lot of this looks like snatcher to me for some reason some of the character designs for sure but i was like don't say it matt because like doesn't sound quite right and then you said it

i'm right

well it's the it's the

whatever that you would call this very bespoke era of like technical design right is like really hip in this like in the 1990s.

Like, you watch a lot of those 90s anime, and you'll see this, like, extremely intricate aircraft, or even Cowboy Bebop, like, has a lot of that, like, technical prowess

delivered through like hand-drawn animation.

Like, it'll be like, holy shit, look at that.

Like, he'll adjust a fin and you'll cut to the fin and you'll see all the parts of the fin moving in Cowboy Bebop.

Is anyone doing hand-drawn anymore?

Yeah, I mean,

yes, but

everything

is on a computer these days.

If you're talking about stuff that's like hand-drawn on a like, you know,

classic traditional cell animation, I mean, it might just be GBLI.

Yeah.

I don't know if they did,

if Boy in the Heron was all like, I don't know if there was any, you know, I don't know if there's no like 3D animation of that, but I don't know if they use computers as part of their workflow.

for coloring or something.

You can just like, seeing something like this, you can really like tell the difference.

Like it just looks, it looks great.

It looks like it was really hard.

Yeah.

Right.

It sucked to do.

That's part of what got me into anime when I was a kid was I was watching like just the raw talent of the animation and being like, oh shit.

Because I would argue there are parts of this that look better than say the little mermaid, which was like Disney's re-entry into like hand-drawn animation in the same sort of window of time.

Um, like the little mermaid is like off-model a lot, like, she'll like turn her head or, or, like, you know, like

not every single cell of animation for the little mermaid is something you'd want to purchase and own.

Whereas with this, I feel like there are times where I'm like pausing it to like write something down, and it's just a cell of animation on my iPad.

Yeah.

And I'm like, I would own this.

I would own this like drawing of a truck in the background of a shot.

Yeah.

So he, so Shiro and Ina, who is the woman for the Xeon forces, who gets ejected from the mech, they end up pursuing each other.

I love the gunfight.

They have limited air supplies and they eventually are like, or he eventually is like, look, you get, like, we're going to run out of air.

You have a tear in your suit.

Let's just work together.

He patches it.

I like her character design.

She takes her helmet off and they have that moment together.

They go face to face.

But she's also like, I won't be taken in.

Just shoot me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're face to face.

Okay, so this is a bit of scoring that threw me off.

So she takes the helmet off.

They're face to face for the full time.

Like we're not looking through spacesuits.

And

they're in like a pressurized cabin or whatever.

It goes to a wide and it goes to full-on like 70s porno music.

And I was like, are we going to cut back to a sex scene?

Is that what's happening right now?

It really felt like they were setting that up.

But no, they end up kind of just exploring together.

They float through the wreckage.

They're looking for flares, but they, and they, they split up and they need to synchronize their watches.

So we get this family heirloom watch on a chain that he has handed to connect him.

And yeah,

all this stuff is fun.

I mean, like, look, when they're floating in space discussing their futures and like a tenor sax comes in, I'm like, this is very much my shit.

I love the vibes here.

Really, really good.

I just love.

Because I'm so far into

the future of the Universal Century timeline at this point, since I'm now watching canonically the final Universal Century show, all of my beloved robot designs are so far in the past.

Wow.

Like the Gundams look different.

Certainly the bad guy robots look different.

Like the Zakus are no longer in production.

Zeon is obliterated.

So coming back to this made me feel kind of cozy.

Nice.

Like I was like, oh, it's, it's all my guys.

Yeah.

It's, it's that guys.

I like those guys.

I, and even though the Gundams that are piloted by our grunts aren't the Gundam, these mass production model Gundams still kind of look like the Gundam.

And you're like, oh man, it's it's that guy too, which is called by a lot of the fans the grandpa gundam because he's like the old gundam design.

It's interesting because I don't feel like you'll ever see like a Star Wars where there's like, well, there's no X-Wings.

Like that's such a fixture of the, you know, the universe.

But the idea of like, oh, oh, we're gonna go like that that we have this different this world that that's going far enough into the future where we're just like having a break from the old designs and like new stuff comes in.

That's that's an interesting way of fleshing out that world.

Well, the next

the next Star Wars thing coming out is the acolyte and that is in like I think maybe I think it's like the tail end of the High Republic era or something.

It's a it's set like

way before the prequels even.

Right.

So there might not be X-Wings.

There might not be X-Wings in there because it's so far in the pack.

Got it.

Right.

I just want you to know that everybody just discontinued their Patreon.

I know.

I didn't want to say it.

I'm excited about the acolyte.

It looks good.

I'm excited about it too.

I hope it's and/or, just as a side note, I hope it's and or in writing, uh,

lightsabers in action.

Yes.

I want those two things simultaneously.

And if they crush those two things together, maybe the acolyte will be my favorite thing ever.

Look fun.

It looks awesome.

Anyway, these, so they're, the Z.

Wonder if I sacrificed.

They find a detonator.

They use that to launch a missile in the wreckage as a signal.

We should be in the fireworks business.

They made my mind a soundless space.

They get found.

He keeps the watch by accident.

Wonder if that'll come back.

What?

I'll have to find out.

Why are you being sassy right now?

Well, I just, I don't know.

It'd be weird if it didn't come back.

You little minks.

What?

What?

So we don't really see how he's rescued, right?

He just ends up back on the ship.

He's just sort of like, I'll be here and they'll take care of me because she goes off on her own.

We don't see the actual Federation rescue, but it's implied like, oh, once they set off those explosions, then the Federation was like, oh, we see it too.

Jazeant got there first.

And then we've got Sanders, who's the older guy, who I think at some point, does he just eject one of his ensigns into deep space?

Does that happen?

So he can.

This guy fucking sucks.

It's kind of, I think this is meant to be a misdirect, but it's like set up where you're like, oh, I think this guy is going to be the man in charge because they're going down to Earth and someone's going to take over.

It turns out at the end that Shiro, this guy we've been following the whole time, is in fact the new commander of the Earth forces.

So he's going to be going down and commanding that squad.

Wait, and he comes off as like a brash young kid.

He does, yeah.

So when he ends up being in charge of this group, you're like, oh, okay, cool.

Like, because so often we're used to these, like, either not ready protagonists, like a protagonist who's like, I don't know if I can do this.

Or like, even the protagonist of Mobile Suit Gundam is a kid who's like,

you know, traumatized by killing people in space and like sits on his bed and like holds his knees.

Like we, so to see a guy who's like, I'm going to go out in the ball.

And then he like deals with the Xeon person.

And then he's also in charge, that's cool.

I thought it was cool.

I really like that he, I really like the way that was played out and paced out.

And then we go, the end credits are also awesome, which is maybe we can talk about now with this first episode.

Yes.

So it's just like a camera is fixed in place.

Shiro is in the foreground and he's mostly still and then action is going on.

Oh, he's like reading the book.

Yeah, as he's sitting in the jungle.

But it's a way where it feels like there's a lot of motion, even though a lot of times the frame is like motionless.

But yeah, everyone's walking by and mugging to the camera.

He doesn't realize he's filming the whole time.

It's really, I don't know.

It's really cool.

I really like that.

And again, you know, I said up top.

I like the guy guy who shows the porno mad.

Good move.

Extremely nick-coated.

I have a.

Before we get into this next one.

Yeah, please.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Any other thoughts on episode one?

I have a question sort of about

Gundam holistically.

Let's go.

Is it that I'm wearing a Gundam shirt?

Because the answer is yes.

Wow.

This is secretly a Principality of Xeon shirt.

And it has a logo underneath the collar, like as if I was part of the actual Empire.

Wow.

That's fucking awesome.

Because so my question is.

Yeah.

Why does Xeon want to take over the earth?

I'll tell you.

They think that earthlings are mishandling the environment.

They think they're destroying the mother earth.

They kind of don't sound that bad.

Yeah.

It might be Xeon pills.

So like in in inside of this fascist dictatorship is like the colonel of a good idea.

That's pretty bad.

Yeah.

They're really bad.

Really bad.

That good guys.

But they're also like, you guys don't deserve the earth.

Look what you've done with it.

Yeah.

It's like if Sephiroth was in charge.

My question is, because there's types of anime, right?

There's like,

what do you call it?

There's Shonen anime.

Yep.

And then there's the other kind.

Shoujo anime.

Shojo.

But there's also like Senen, Seynen anime.

There's like, there's, there's tons of subcategories.

What kind of anime is Gundam?

Well, it is a mecha anime.

Okay.

But it is, since it is,

I would say it's a mecha anime primary and then a shonen anime secondary.

Got it.

Because it is generally consumed by boys.

And like, if you're thinking, oh, what kind of demographic are we going to attract with a show that is about military robots engaging in a skirmish in Southeast Asia?

Yeah.

Like it's probably going to be young boys.

That being said, Women, watch Gundam.

Yeah.

It is so good.

It is great.

I was going to say, I feel like if there was an anime I can get my stepdad to watch, I think it could be Gundam.

Episode two, Gundams in the Jungle.

Great title.

You're in the Gundam now, baby.

Very good.

Even I will nod.

I love how, like, we have this Jeep driving through the jungle with the, with the new additions that we've learned from

the Earthside Squadron of the Earth Federation, who are the people

in the space transport in the previous episode.

I love how annoyed the space noids are by the smell of trees.

Yes.

Like the idea that that's like a repulsive thing.

It is so interesting.

Well, because the air in the

colonies is constantly filtered and recycled.

So it probably smells a little bit more like a hospital.

And if you're born there, you'd be like, what the

smells like shit everywhere.

Earth smells like shit.

Yeah, it smells like dirt.

Right.

Well, it doesn't smell it it smells unfamiliar so it's see it smells disgusting and dangerous and scary uh yeah i i thought that was great also big fan of karen joshua yep uh she's a bit of a karen

matt how dare you she's a bit of a karen i i don't know how much of a karen she's a tall lady she's a big she's a big lady look what mommy did

oh no

she's mean too which i love yeah she is big mean lady

sign me up uh so the the gundams are popping they're driving in.

We see these Gundams popping up for land action.

They look so fucking big and cool.

How awesome is that?

That shot is fucking shit.

Looks so rad.

Looks so rad.

That to me is like

having not seen a lot of Gundam, I was like, that's Gundam.

This is Gundam shit right here.

This is good stuff.

Well, like, what are you talking about, like, like, just incredible stills?

I just, like, I'm watching this.

I'm like, that would be a gif.

Like, I feel like you could pull so many gifts from this series.

Yeah.

Just bits of, just little bits of animation that look awesome in isolation.

What context would you use it in?

In like a.

Trump does something I don't like.

It's also, I think, it's neat with properties like this because obviously there's tons of Star Wars gifts.

Sure.

Like, you know, Luke with a lightsaber.

Another one.

They're nice.

But I'm just saying that, like, there's not a lot.

Can you say something else?

There's not a lot of stuff from the 70s

that is still giftable here

in the year 2024.

Not a lot of dog day afternoon

gifts.

Not

a huge, an enormous amount of culture has been like just like memory hold because of its absence in terms of gifts and image macros.

But Gundam is one of those things that people still gif,

especially char.

Like char is like a fixture of like anime gifable.

Wow.

I just kind of like, look, I really love American Vietnam movies and like just American like jungle combat movies.

It's just such an interesting like little genre.

And this one feels like it's riffing on that, but it also feels like it's rifting on maybe on Predator specifically.

I don't know how much

that is an influence.

If I re-watch Predator like this year,

holds up.

It's so awesome.

It's such an awesome

piece of action filmmaking.

I've never seen the original.

I've only seen it.

I've seen Prey and I've seen the Robert Rodriguez one.

You should watch the original Schwarzenegger.

It's a good movie.

A John McCarran movie.

But

it does, that is what they're referencing, right?

Or is it more general than that?

I feel like it's more general.

I feel like this is like, okay, here is a Vietnam movie.

And it's not just American Vietnam movies.

There were excellent Hong Kong Vietnam movies.

There's lots of, there's Vietnam movies from all over the planet.

Right.

That's what I'm talking about.

What I'm familiar with.

And I think that just what the riff is here is we've seen at this point,

if you're watching Gundam as it comes out over the years, you've seen a lot of Gundam in space and you've seen a lot of Gundam on Earth, but you've never seen it like in the

earthen environments that

our warfare and our guerrilla tactics warfare made like uncomfortable.

And the idea of hiding this giant robot in foliage is kind of cool.

That's one of my favorite things because it's just like, it's, it's awesome.

It's also like, it's kind of dumb, but it's so it's so awesome he's just like he's squatting down he's like a big ass robot but he's like taking cover and like sniping yeah i i love that i love like i don't know there is an interesting contrast to see something so mechanical in an environment where they're like outside of a city or like you know like a battlefield or something like to see a robot next to a tree is interesting.

Yeah, visually, it looks cool.

No, the environment's great.

It's also crazy because like, unlike the, you know, ground soldiers After the Gundam does something it can stand up and be above the trees and kind of look around Which is kind of neat.

Yeah, I love that.

Yeah, so Sanders we learn is the Reaper has a reputation for just like you know being a being a killer getting things killed

Also, everyone thinks the new commander Ashiro is marked for death and it basically as he lands they're going into battle to to back up the sixth team so he doesn't even have time he says in in narration or dialogue i don't even have time to uh learn my squadmates' names before I'm going into battle.

He's just in this shit immediately.

We have a little bit of a

tangent from that where we check in with Ina.

She has this,

again, just all the mechanical design is so cool in this.

The V toll, the vertical takeoff and landing green ship that she's in, that just like lasts, like, that looks so fucking awesome.

And it's just like a small, just like 10 seconds of animation, but I love it.

She gets off there and she embraces this weird-looking colonel who I guess is her brother.

Yeah.

Her big brother.

Yeah, her big brother.

Yeah.

Because this is one of those things where it's a bit of translation: like, big brother or big sister isn't necessarily always a familial

relation.

Yeah, because you know, it's just a different sort of thing that you might just call like someone

who's older, who you maybe are a lower status of, but like they are relatives here.

I thought they had

Folger's commercial.

They do have Folger's energy.

They 100% do.

I was like, these

these siblings might i was like this is crazy it was definitely in in targary territory it it seems like they might have been getting a little incestuous and it's i know it's kind of comes up a lot yeah not like i was looking for it it was in the show it's just in the show i just i didn't

it's just in this it's just

it seems pretty pretty overt yeah there's a there's an energy because i think the misdirect is oh does she have a boyfriend like after they've had these like intimate moments out in space and you're like, is this going to be a love triangle situation?

And then she's like, thank you, big brother.

You're my favorite big brother.

And you're like, oh, oh, okay.

Stop saying it like that.

Yeah.

Suck your dick, big brother.

So when they go to the jungle, Shiro assigns himself point.

And this is just,

I was having a blastage of this.

He's him struggling to adjust to gravity because he only knows like space is like, of course.

Of course, even if you experience that in the simulation, which I'm sure he did, it's just like that's a completely different ball game.

And that he just doesn't, he's super confident.

This dude's all confidence, he's he's all like irrational confidence, apparently, because everyone's just like, This guy's gonna get fucking Karen Joshua's like, you just don't have the skills to be able to do this, and he's like stumbling and bumbling in his gravity-bound mech.

Also, he's hot, yeah.

And like that,

watching it, I'm like, Gundams don't have AC?

Like, he's so fucking hot inside his robot.

And I'm like,

when you fight in like a jet,

isn't there like some kind of climate control?

Yeah, I'm sure.

They probably don't want you too comfortable up there.

But it's wild to me how often he's like, like wiping like sheets of water off his forehead.

Or like he has to at one point take off his flight suit because he's like, I'm going to fucking die in this thing.

I would imagine airplanes

are probably different than Gundams.

It feels like there's a lot more

mechanical stuff going on where it's like it's probably very, very hot.

Yeah.

I would probably assume there's like, I mean, there's probably a lot more, like, I don't know, cores or something.

Like, there's like crazy stuff.

I think the none of the other times you've seen the Gundam fighting has anyone complained about the heat.

Oh.

So I'm guessing it's like it's because it's Southeast Asia and they're in the jungle that like the climate system is just not capable of like regulating it.

Can't even keep up.

You're like your car overheats.

You got to turn the AC off, right?

It's like, it might be something like that.

It could also just be like, you know, he's just not used to the intensity of the Earth's sun going through those window shades or something like that.

Who knows?

I mean, like, I think there's all sorts of ways.

It could also just be a thing of like he's actually panicking and that's how it's manifesting it.

I, I, I didn't have a huge problem with that, but I do wonder.

I don't have a huge problem with it.

Yeah, but I do wonder exactly what's going on.

I was absolutely pissed.

Uh, anyway, it's he's he ends up being separated from them.

Um, I love Sanders fucking up the Zaku, that's very, very satisfying.

Uh, but uh, you know, I do really like the thing of the element of one of the one of the guys in the squad is like, we like because he gets separated from the squad, right?

He's in the jungle by himself, they don't know where he is, he's outside of detection range, and they're like, we can't send out a rescue team for him because it'll humiliate him on his first day, and then he'll lose the respect of everybody.

Yeah, I like that, like, like, you know, realist consideration.

I also like

because I don't think it's said, the reason they can't just like ping him is because of this particle that has been invented that makes like you disappear into a fog of war.

Yeah, that they don't say that.

They're just like, he's out of detection range and he's alone.

So he's out all night.

It's barely dawn, but it's already hotter than shit.

I love that he just hates the earth.

What a funny guy to be.

He loves the earth.

This place sucks.

Sucks up here.

I'm in space.

I go back into my air-conditioned coffin.

I fucking hate it here.

It's fresh air is nasty.

So I was like, shit.

If you go outside in space, you die.

I'm a fucking idiot.

I hate the space noise.

Let's kill him.

So he hates Earth.

He's out all night.

He wakes up.

He's alone.

He's outside of his mech.

He strips down of his suit because he gets super hot.

Trips in some mud.

Walks to a get gets shocked by leeches.

Goes up.

Yeah, that's fucking.

So leeches were wriggling just a little too much.

And I was like, this is nasty.

Well, yeah, I felt like him.

I was like,

there's no way there are leeches in nature in the colonies.

Like, they wouldn't have exported leeches.

There'd be no reason for that to be there.

So, like, it really makes it seem like Earth is alien when you see a leech.

You're like, oh, this place is.

You're in Pandora, baby.

I do, for some reason, I'm so afraid of leeches.

I think they're so nasty.

I've never encountered a leech.

I'd be hit.

I'd be so mad.

I'd be so mad if I was, if a tick got me, any sort of bug that can stay on you.

Absolutely not.

Yeah, I don't need that.

No, get that out of here.

No, yuck.

Those, those,

also, if, like, some, like, like, old-timey healer is like, I need to put leeches on you.

I'm like, no, you're not doing that.

Get out of here.

Kill me first, dog.

What about those bugs?

Those like scarabs from the mummy?

Yeah, I don't know.

Want to get in your skin?

No.

Uh-uh.

Go away.

Nasty.

Uh-uh.

So he walks to a lake uh he's he's drinking he's washing his face

we see some titties

i was not expecting that i was expecting either it was in the uh it is in the preview and the preview i was like what wait what are we seeing in the preview here

what's going on pressed play on the second one immediately

so there's a there's a skin there's a woman skinny dipping and she uh she like emerges you'll see a lot and then she's like swimming on her back and you're still seeing a lot of stuff but he says something so funny in the dub.

He says, Whoa,

that's a real woman.

This is pretty good.

He's just there peeping for it feels like 10 minutes.

He's watching for a while.

He's watching.

It's comfortable.

Like, he's like in the ground and he kind of like adjusts.

With some little dig in his hands.

He's like not even really paying that much attention.

He's just like, I don't even care.

In full view, just waiting to be noticed.

So I wonder if this aired.

I don't know if you know, but like when this aired on Toonami, there's no way they included the boobs, right?

Of course.

I can't imagine they did.

No fucking way.

No way.

Toonami censored a lot of shit.

I mean, like,

I think when Sailor Moon was airing here, they also, they changed one of the relationships between the girls to being like related family instead of being like lovers.

Right.

So like, even like stuff that was just spoken was censored.

Yeah.

So, uh, but, but it is a thing of just like, oh, man, that they, this was just in an anime.

It's just, it's, again, it's just, there was nothing in the U.S.

that was being produced like this at the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway.

We used to have it all.

Uh, she

we also cut back to Ina and her brother.

Do we know the brother's name yet?

I don't know if we've learned that yet.

But they're talking about the, is it the obelisk?

What's the thing they're talking about in the battlefield?

They're talking about some new.

It's a new weapon.

A new weapon on the battlefield.

And they're also, yeah, they're getting very Folgers-y here.

Very.

They're just like sitting too close.

Yeah,

you could have that conversation like across the table, but I don't mind it.

I don't mind it being kind of weird.

No, I loved it.

Yeah, I don't have siblings, so I don't know how close you'd sit, but I would, it even I was like, they were sitting

that close, almost like

Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore and ghosts, like that close.

I was like, That's it, it was intimate.

You would not do that with a sibling.

No, no, yeah.

All the references to pull to describe two people close to each other.

That's about as close as you can get.

He was practically, I mean, he was a ghost.

He's like practically like phased into her.

Yeah.

Huh.

Jazar right on top of her.

That's a good movie.

I haven't seen it since I was a kid.

Oh, man.

I only remember hell.

Yeah.

I only remember the ghosts coming up from hell to drag you down to hell and being like, why is that in this movie?

It's scary.

That's a bad person.

He's being punished for his sins.

Yeah.

Got to go to hell.

Does that get dragged there?

I mean, I'm sick of saying otherwise.

If you're bad, you have to go to hell.

I'm tired of acting like people that are bad can go to heaven.

No, hell only.

Yeah.

I'm sick of this shit.

You're getting dragged there.

So

the woman with her tits out, she gets a handgun.

She notices this guy being creepy and fires at her and fires at him.

He runs away, but she's like, he looks like a Fed pilot.

And then she also later spies him in his Gundam.

It's like, hmm, okay.

I'm going to file this away for later.

My favorite thing about that, too, was that I'm just thinking about like the two days that he's had.

He was like, two days in a row, two different women have shot at me.

My life sucks.

Here's the thing: like, this is purely fan service.

This is very gratuitous.

There's no reason for this.

There's no reason for this to be in here, but I'm not complaining.

But she was having a splash.

That's all right.

Yeah.

You're allowed to have a splash.

I feel like the relationship with naked bodies is just a little bit culturally different in Japan than it is here.

Like, I mean, it's it's obviously titillating.

It's supposed to be, like, he's like, whoa, check it out.

Yeah.

But also, it does seem to be like the relationship to nudity doesn't seem to be as, like, no, rigid.

Because also, she wasn't like,

she didn't do that good of a job, like, covering up.

Like, she covered one.

Yeah.

One.

It's, it's, at once, it's like a lot of things.

It's, like, at once more prudish and more libertine.

It's both, it's both at once versus America.

Um, Anyway, so we have this whole thing.

Shiro spies another Zaku.

Love him.

I love how he goes and is like, you know, I'm going to go take this guy out.

And it's just the battles are really cool.

Like the Big Mac battles are really fun in here.

That's the type of stuff going on.

The dude's got one arm and he's still blasting at him.

He's still coming at me.

He fucks him up.

I love the hole that goes through the back of it.

Yeah, I like that he gets his axe.

Yeah, the axe is awesome.

Yeah, that axe.

That's like a vibrating axe.

Yeah, it's it's like a uh the subtitle called it um i think it's like a flame axe or something and i was like hell yeah that fucking rules yeah everyone thinks the commander's dead back at the base including the little nerd writing in this journal uh who's got the vo stuff i don't know what what what that guy's deal is so far but he seems like an eager beaver over achiever

he is a nerd little little big ass guy yeah uh anyway but then He's coming back to base.

He's sleeping in the Gundam as it's heading home.

By the way, awesome.

It's really cool.

Like he's got he's got the fucking Gundam on autopilot walking.

So, obviously, you can set it.

Because, like, I, I really fixate on, like, how the Gundam, how you control the Gundam.

Because I know that, like, if you're flying a jet, there's a million different buttons in there.

And there's like all kinds of shit you can do with a jet.

But I'm like, how do you, how do you, like, tell it to run forward while also turning its torso to fire a gun behind you?

But then again, I can do those kinds of movements with just a control pad in a video game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it's not like it's impossible to program conceptually.

Yeah.

But him put, like, pressing a button, having it walk to base, and then falling asleep, I'm like, that's fucking awesome.

But also horrifying.

Like, what if he doesn't wake up in time?

It seems, well, yeah, right.

Cause like

hopefully he has some sort of alert that's like, hey, there's some shit going on.

Wake up.

But like, it's the only mech anime that I've seen is Evangelion.

So, like, these mechs, I identify them as different

because these are

mechanical.

Yeah, they're robots.

And the Evas are not.

Or, you know, for the most part.

But the.

The Evas are ladies.

Yeah, they're organic.

And I, but I love it.

It's making me want to boot up Armored Corps 6, which I never finished.

Hey!

But I'm in a bit of a mech mood.

I think these two episodes are great just as sort of setting everything up.

I love starting in space and then going to Earth.

I love it feeling foreign

to our protagonist.

And

it's all just like really...

really cool animated sequences.

I don't know.

I had a blast watching these two episodes.

I'm glad we're doing this series.

Me too.

You have no idea how happy I am.

I'm very excited because, yeah, I'm excited just to see more Gundam and see some more cool shit.

Cool.

Oh,

because you were saying how many Gundam series there are in the Universal Timeline.

Do you have a rough guess of how many episodes there are in the Universal Timeline that you've seen?

Oh, boy.

I would expect it's in the hundreds, but it's probably not quite the run, the one-piece run.

I would get,

well, so let's assume that there's like 40 to 50 to the mainline series.

So that's like 150,

200,

probably 225.

And then, like, all the smaller series probably have about 12.

So let's say 12 times 4.

So where am I at now?

275?

Yeah, somewhere around there.

Yeah, somewhere around.

I bet there's...

I bet I've watched somewhere around 275 to 300 episodes of guns.

Wow.

A lot of content.

We were saying a second ago about the mech on autopilot.

I

remembered like last week I was walking and

I was walking in front of like at a stop.

There's a stop car at a stop sign I was walking in front of and I realized as I was like in the street that it was a driverless Waymo.

Oh, I saw that for the first time today.

But like as a pedestrian, it's really jarring to have a driverless car stopped at a stop sign that you're walking in front of.

Wait, that's...

Isn't that fucking horrifying?

Yeah, I saw my first Waymo today.

And I was like, I've just, this is now a thing I've just got to get used to.

I'm just going to potentially be run over by a Waymo every time I'm out in the street.

There are Waymos about?

They're all and about.

You can hail them now.

Yeah.

And they're covered with visible sensors, I think, which is a psychological

because I don't think those sensors need to be this like

predominant in on like the design of the car.

I think they're covered in visual sensors so that you, a pedestrian, or you, a driver, are like, oh, this driverless driverless car has covered in cameras.

Yeah.

Therefore, it must be safer.

I vow right here on Get Animated for as long as I live, I will never get in a Waymo.

Wow.

I won't do it.

I'm going to get in one tomorrow.

I have no interest.

I want to hail one and put on my Apple Vision Pro and just sit in the back seat going,

I have no desire to do that.

I have no desire to hail one of those little snack robots.

I, I'm, no.

The snack robots piss me off.

I'm not doing it.

I'm not doing any of that.

No, thanks.

What?

It's a thing you can say now, and I admire it.

I have a feeling you're going to be when they just basically usher all the human drivers out of the workforce, and Waymo is left as your only rideshare solution.

It's cool.

You're going to be a driverless one at a certain point.

It's cool that we reinvented taxis,

made it worse worse for the drivers yes and are now kicking them out of their fucking car

that's awesome that fucking rules i love that i just feel like

here's what i think we should i'm gonna kill a waymo here's what here's what i think we should do i think if you i think

i think if you're a taxi driver and your job is being taken away literally by a driverless car, I feel like there should be some sort of government compensation to be like, you were phased out by artificial intelligence.

Here is your monthly paycheck.

Yeah.

Like, I love that.

I feel like, because then it would also change the pace of, there would be

a penalty for displacement of jobs, but not necessarily a full stop to industrialization and progress.

I have a funnier die sketch.

Now's the time.

It's taxi driver the movie,

but Travis Bickel is replaced by a Waymo.

And then it sort of works out where you're sort of like,

you know what?

He's actually not that crazy to be this mad.

I thought you were going to say that the Waymo is like looking in the mirror and being like, You hockey me?

Yeah, that's what I thought you were doing.

No, no, no.

You're sort of like, actually, I'm on Travis's side.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's actually good.

Yeah.

It makes sense that he takes a first date to a porno movie.

I did.

I was thinking about that recently and I was like, if I was, if I was on Uzo V Mod and I, I would have made this a sketch and been like, what did you think of the porno?

Like afterwards, like, it was good, right?

It makes you want to chat.

She's like, no, that was like really weird.

There's like other movies to do.

I don't know other movies.

The only movies I watch are porno.

I'm a fucking weird, insane man.

Shoot a politician.

We can go see another movie.

How about this?

Uh, you know, uh,

like, no, that's a porno.

I don't, I've never seen another movie.

Let's see what's playing at the Big Tits Theater.

No, no,

I don't know.

It's worth seeing movies.

Do you want some popcorn?

No, okay.

Uh, do you mind if I check?

You're not supposed to do that here.

Come on, let me on Mod Night for one month.

Watching Jaws, and he's like, There's no fucking in this.

the fish yeah this movie's fuck this

what what is happening like why are these guys on this boat for so long

e.t's pretty ugly but i would

i maybe told this story before i've definitely i've definitely told it on other podcasts but like i had a friend who was uh when i was a kid uh he was his family was evangelical and um we were over at his house once with him and me me and my friend and then his older brother and and his older brother's friend.

And his parents are like, okay, we're going next door to have dinner with the neighbors.

You kids are on your own.

As soon as they leave, the older kids are like, let's get the pornos.

And they go and they go get a bunch of VHS tapes from like the dad's stash.

Again, this is a family of evangelical Christians.

So we start watching these porno movies.

I'm like eight years old.

So I don't know what I'm looking at.

I'm so like baffled.

So we're watching, I'm watching.

I've like never seen a movie, but now we're watching hardcore pornography.

Yeah, insane.

We're watching this.

There's, and there's like, like, you know, some like straight sex on it, but there's a lot of like gay porn on these tapes.

And they go, they get to it.

So like when we get to like a gay porn scene, uh, the older kids are like, oh, let's they start to fast forward.

It's like, oh, it's a bad one.

Let's get through this one.

Man, your dad's got a lot of bad ones.

Insane.

What a, what a fucking nightmare.

What a disaster.

Yeah.

Also going to dinner with the neighbors.

I'd rather kill myself.

It's a different time.

Yeah, the only people you know are the people that you see at church or next door.

That sucks.

He didn't have Facebook.

Yeah.

You didn't have Facebook.

Any other thoughts on the first two episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam, the 8th MS team?

I'm just happy to be here.

I'm happy to see Gundam.

I'm ready to see what all the

hype's about.

I know that Heather loves Gundam.

And this is, I like when we watch something that Heather really loves Gundam.

I really, I really, really love this.

It, I mean, it's really, it is the moment that changed

a fandom for me.

Like, this is like,

and it doesn't, this, the eighth MS team is not necessarily

Star Wars.

but it became Star Wars.

Like it be, it like was like, oh my God, this is great.

Yes.

I can, and there's so much of it to watch.

Oh, wow.

I'm going to get to watch so much of this.

If you are a

listener or a matter, a Nick, and you're like, you enjoy this, I recommend War in the Pocket as your second very small Gundam series.

War of the Pocket.

War in the Pocket.

War in the Pocket.

War in the Pocket.

War in the Pocket.

Which is like the battle between BlackBerry and iPhone.

Which was

my second Gundam show.

That's what it it sounds like.

Before I was like, I'm committing my life.

Yeah, no, it worked.

It worked.

I went past it because I didn't like it,

but it works.

War in the Roses is, or I'm sorry, Warren the Roses.

War in the Pocket.

War of the Roses is a different thing.

Yeah.

Is the, is the other recommendation I was going to ask that.

So thank you for adding that.

Yep.

And then if you like both of those, then go back, start from the beginning.

Let's fucking go.

Gundam is the best.

Wow.

Such a fun series to be covering.

I'm really glad we're on the other side of Anna Mayhem.

But y'all out there listening, some of you watched last week's series and you sent in your thoughts.

So it's time for chain reactions, plu talk, community leveling, and a maybe we were wrong on Clockwork Planet.

Tick tock, tick tock.

What?

That's what clocks.

Bidding, given the

clock, but you did it like you were the riddler or something.

Tick tock, tick tock.

Maybe I'm the riddler.

I don't think you're the.

I mean, you could be.

Numlock's right.

I wouldn't know you were the riddler so fast.

Yeah, I'd be wearing a fucking green suit with question marks all over it.

You see his new clothes?

It looks insane.

His riddler ass.

He changed his name to Edward Nigma.

This first one.

By the way, Batman solving that,

like, greatest detective on earth.

And he's like, Edward Nigma.

Yeah, huh?

Edward Nigma.

He's a head scratcher.

Yeah.

Edward Nigma.

He's the thing is, he's a good detective, but he's also an idiot.

He's dumb.

Alfred, put on a pot of coffee.

It's going to be an all-nighter.

You don't have to do this.

Like, no, no, no, no.

Who the fuck is this Enigma guy?

I'm going to go just beat up some thugs until I figure this one out.

I'm basically a cop.

Do you know who my dad is?

uh numlocks writes i eat cereal dry out of the box and it's awesome oh okay we talked about cereal last week interesting okay great he's not i guess numlocks is not a milk person they're not a milk person i i think that's a valid way to eat cereal however you want a snack on it yeah eat cereal however you like do you see these donuts that put cereal on it like it'll be like a it never worked yeah no it's too much it's too much they get too soft also the only donut is

plain or sugar cinnamon because donuts are only supposed to be with a black cup of coffee.

Oh, man.

I love like a maple bar.

Maple.

I love like a buttermilk.

Do y'all fuck with apple fritters?

Yeah, I love an apple fritter.

That's like a home run donut.

Plain donut, glazed donut, apple, or cinnamon sugar.

Got nothing to be against a great glazed donut or a great plain cake donut.

Those are a lot of fun, but

I sample all donut varietals.

I like in the in the plain division, all the plain ones.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All the normal ones that you would see at a regular pink box

store.

Those are great.

Once you start putting in fucking fruit loops on them or, you know, other

types of stuff, it's too much.

Your mouth doesn't want to negotiate a fruit loop inside of a donut bite.

It's already a

shaped like a donut, too.

Yeah, it shreds the top of your mouth while you're like trying to get a soft bite.

I'll go as far as like a bacon maple donut is good, but it's also like I'll just have a regular maple one and think it's as good as the one with bacon on it.

Yeah, I bet.

And once you get to, I mean, like, look, some crushed nuts, maybe some sprinkles.

I'm not above some sprinkles or some shaved coconut I could maybe do, but I agree with you on cereal on top of donuts.

I don't know.

Yeah.

You know what you should put on a donut?

Another donut.

Matt.

I'm just saying.

It's like Homer Simpson right here.

They're doing this

cake pops.

Give me a donut whole kebab.

That does sound fun.

That's good shit.

It does sound good.

I talked about it.

I said this on Doughboys that I had a dream that I came up with a new item, a donut salad.

And what it is is you take a donut,

you chop that son of a bitch up,

you throw it in a bowl, and then you have toppings you can put on that.

So, like, hey, you want to put a caramel drizzle?

I want to put some whipped cream on that.

I want to throw some sprinkles on that.

That's actually a pretty good idea.

That sounds fun, right?

And you know what?

If you want, hey, I'm going to do a twofer.

Take two donuts.

We dice them up.

We throw them in a bowl.

We throw some toppings on it.

You want some fresh strawberries on that?

Why not?

Go nuts.

It's your donut salad.

I would like to try it.

Yeah.

I can't say if it's a good idea or not.

I would like to try it.

You know, if you were pitching this at like a shark tank or something, I would have to take a couple bites.

Yeah.

See what I'm getting at.

I'd have some ready for you to try.

Oh, yeah.

I like it.

And I like it.

I know Mark Cuban's favorite topping.

So he'd be, you know,

and I'm going to be like, this deal's all over the place.

And for that reason, I'm out.

Herkovic's got my back, right?

Come on, Herkovic.

You guys ever see that Shark Tank with the guy who tries to get Slap Ball?

This is so this was a predecessor to Shark Tank.

This was like Dragon's Den or whatever.

It was a different format.

And it was, I've made the show that inspired it.

And this game is Bullet Ball.

And yes, I've seen this clip like a hundred times.

It's so good.

It's one of the most depressing things I've ever seen on television.

Bulletball.

I'm going to search that because that sounds

extremely my shit.

This guy invented this new game uh that he calls bullet ball and it's like a game where basically you have a you have a ball a special ball on a table on the surface of a table and you're basically playing air hockey with your hands um but he's like

basically like my whole life has been developing bullet ball like my wife left me i'm living in my car i put all of my resources into bullet ball and then he demos it for them and it sucks so bad and they're all just like this is a bad idea you need to get your life together they're all just telling him and he's so stubborn he's so like convinced that this is like genius and that no one can see it there's a really funny scene in i think in early season it's like season two of better call saw yeah where tim balts is a

is a he has a it's a brief role he calls uh jimmy uh saul goodman to

come do some patent law and he's like i don't really do that i'm kind of just breaking in seeing what i can do he has this new toilet that he's trying to get kids to potty train on and it has like its voice activated and it says stuff like, you filled me up.

Thank you.

I'm so so funny.

It's so funny.

It's so, so funny.

That's great.

This one's from the Mooch, David Moochie.

The mooch.

It was a fun month.

Funny that you mentioned watching anime pilots because my own version of anime hymn this month was to watch the first episodes of every anime series on my shortlist to watch next.

So far, I've watched the pilot stuff.

Gate, Hunter Hunter, Naruto, Banana Fish, Code GS.

Is that how you say it?

Geese?

Geese.

Code Geese, Full Metal Alchemist, Brotherhood, and Yu Yu Hakashu.

The problem is, now I still want to binge all of them.

Yeah, those are all pretty excellent series.

I love that plan, though.

Yeah.

Just watch a bunch of pilots and see what it takes.

Perhaps that's what we'll do

next anime, Ham, if we decide to do it again.

Oh, this one is from MK.

Mortal Comment.

Dragon Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are the pinnacle of ape anime no contest.

Wow.

We were talking last week about how there's no apes.

Ape anime.

Given that it's maybe the most widely known anime as well, I think Weiger's point about ape entertainment might be correct.

Mankind has always been fascinated by apes.

Don't keep saying it because we're going to have to put it on a shirt or something.

Like in quotes attributed to you.

It should be on a shirt.

People can agree with it.

People see it and go,

that's true.

Yeah.

This next one is from Steven Pistachio.

Hello.

Hello, Steven Pistachio.

Hi, Steven Pistachio.

Heather cannot prefer FMA to Brotherhood.

Madness.

Hey, it's a difference of taste.

I think it's just because, again, I've seen both, but I saw FMA first.

And

again,

it got ahead of the manga.

So they had to invent what was happening.

Yes.

And their invention was fully fucking crazy.

They did this with Game of Thrones as well, right?

Like those books aren't done.

So they're like, let's just guess.

I wish I could spoil FMA for you guys, but I'm worried that at some point in the future, you'd want to see it.

I cannot stress enough how jaw-dropping the choice they made was.

I mean, like,

I've never

seen a show even considering sugar on Apple TV.

I just watched Apple TV Sugar and this is big talk.

It's bigger than sugar.

Wow, okay.

It's it's fucking crazy what they have.

I'm intrigued.

I'm intrigued, yeah.

The filler thing is such a thing because like the new the current Demon Slayer arc that that that's out now, it's like there's an it's it's really slow pace.

And I guess there's an episode I was reading about this where it's like they're they're the whole episode is adapting 1.5 pages of manga.

That's the kind of thing where I'm just kind of like, what am I doing here?

I like this series, but do I want to commit to watching this?

Wow.

That's

something to look forward to for me.

There was even a movie based on the original continuity of FMA.

Really?

Yeah.

Where they had to be like, okay, so what we said, here's a movie about it.

We said all that, but actually, here's the movie.

This next one is from Jesse.

Hi, Jesse.

So Jesse writes, Mr.

White.

We got to cook, Mr.

White.

Bitch.

I got breaking bad on the brain.

What could I say?

Jesse actually said.

Oh, jeez.

I was so lost that I was like, okay, is this part?

No, this part is real.

That stuff that before I did was fake.

Jesse actually says.

So, in the end, I feel like Animehem was a good representation of the ratio of good anime to bad anime for every fantastic show there are two or three pieces of garbage looking forward to seeing the series return again in the future cool yeah hit rate 40 I guess yeah not too bad not too bad gets you in the baseball hall of fame is is the wait so has no one did no one comment on clockwork planet so far

nobody has really like Said anything about it.

They are just like, I enjoyed the month or maybe anime was a mistake.

There was one comment that I saw about that commented on the anime.

This one's from Buddy Jones.

Hi, Buddy Jones.

Clockwork Planet reminded me of those animes based on mobile gotcha games.

That's a side of anime that I have never explored before.

I really enjoyed anime him, but I think Nick has the right idea to just go with the first episode.

Yeah.

That's the fix

for the next one.

This whole, oh, this next one is from Zach Tenenhouse.

Wow.

Tenenhouse.

Zach writes, this whole month really makes me appreciate the fact that Evangelion exists.

And that's it for the chain reaction.

Thanks for writing in and let us know what you thought of Mobile Suit Gundam, the eighth MSS,

the eighth MS Team.

And we'll

talk about it next week when we watch episodes three and four.

You don't get to Evangelion without Mobile Suit Gundam.

So that's what we're exploring here.

Yeah.

And you don't get to Evangelion without anime in general.

Wow.

In the beginning, there was nothing.

Then there was Evangelion.

And then anime was born.

That is true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is really good.

I guess

the month of May got anime.

It very much got anime.

Wow.

Do that, May.

Yeah.

Fucking

fifth month ass.

Why?

May sucks.

May stands are going after Matt.

Oh, no.

here comes Justin Timberlake.

Oh boy.

Oh

no.

Oh no.

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