Hades 2 1.0 & Greek Mythology in Games

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Would be gods and demigods, welcome to Mount Olympus.

State your name and your power, and I shall deign whether or not thee is ready to ascend to Mount Olympus.

It is I,

the god Claudus.

Claudus, spake thee.

What is your power?

I

can

look at sawdust and imagine what type of wood it came from.

Claudus, the god of sawdust.

Claudus, nay,

you are not allowed on Mount Olympus.

Cast sheep back to Hades.

Cast she back to Hades.

It's caught down there.

there.

Speak thy name, and I shall tell you whether or not you are willing and able to ascend to Mount Olympus.

Tis I

Art Smeller

Art Smeller

Speak thee thy power, and I shall choose whether or not to let you enter the gates of Mount Olympus.

I can smell a fart and guess the food that which produced the fart.

No, come on!

Come on!

Ask me back to Hades' name!

Come on!

Also, it sounded like you were unsure about what your own power was.

Oh, I knew.

That wasn't the part I wasn't sure about.

That would-be god is not worth your time.

Rather, you should invite me up to Mount Olympus.

Speak thy name!

Why, it is I, Fallacius!

Fallacius!

And what be thy power?

I am the god of enjoying enjoying getting my dick sucked.

I love it.

I think it's so fun.

It's my favorite thing.

And I am a god.

Pallasius,

you are worthy of Mount Olympus.

Yay!

I know how I'm celebrating it.

We collect boons and flirt with horny deities as we discuss Hades 2 1.0 and Greek gods and games this week on Get Played.

Welcome to Get Played, your one-stop show for good games, bad games, and every games in between.

It's time to get played.

I'm your host, Heather Ann Campbell, along with my fellow host, Tiger Wiger.

That's me, Tiger Weiger, along with our third host, Mr.

Games Matt Apodaka.

Hello, everyone.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show, where today on the Premiere Gaming podcast, we talk about gods in games.

That's right, with the, I guess specifically, the Greek gods and Greek myth in games more generally.

Kind of a catch-all sort of

category

that a surprising number of games fall into.

Yeah.

A public domain well that is frequently,

I'm mixing metaphors, frequently mined.

You know, there's probably that, like, you know,

the sort of wormy guy in Die Hard who's like, hey, you want John McClain?

I'll get him to you.

Yeah, sure.

I feel like in like 1985, there was like an agent who's like selling the IP of the great gods right and probably sounded exactly like that guy he's probably like hey Nintendo Sega PlayStation you guys want the gods you ever hear Hercules you ever you ever you ever talk about gods in your games you want a Medusa I got a Medusa

Medusa's not in enough games not in enough games also you don't think medusa's in enough games or medusa's like we're saying a lot of medusas we'll talk about it put her in more games i think you should be like medusa you should be medusa in a game i I think.

That'd be pretty tight.

Is there a game where you're a Medusa?

Probably a fighting game where you can play a Medusa.

Yeah, probably.

I can't think of a Medusa.

A Gorgon, I guess.

Yeah, a Gorgon.

I mean, I know one, but I was going to save it for when we were talking about that stuff.

Don't get it.

Don't get it.

We'll get it on the show.

Don't do it now.

We're not going to jump the gun here.

No, I'm not going to do it now.

I'm not doing it.

I'm not going to do it at all.

Are you kidding me with this?

She's not doing anything.

Ranch, you like a Medusa?

I like a Medusa.

I love a Medusa.

These are pretty cool.

It's the common denominator that, like, it's like snakes, right?

Snakes are really cool.

I think the snake hair is cool.

I think turning someone to stone with your gaze is cool.

She has kind of like a tragic backstory, which kind of informs her character to some degree.

Isn't it that she was like, I think it's really bleak?

Oh, is it really?

Should we not get into it?

Yeah, save it for get animated.

Look, a lot of these,

a lot of these figures in Greek mythology, they got tragic, tragic backstories.

It's almost like they were

brought up in a time of great tragedy.

Like when most people are like dying at age 47 to 55.

Yeah.

Like you just start getting your bearings on on what life is, and then suddenly like Diogenes spits on your knee, you get an infection and you drop dead.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's like, I wonder if that's that's partly where the midlife crisis comes from is that's just used to be when we like the light life expectancy was, you know, you get you hit 40 and then you're fucking probably gonna be, you know, if you're still alive, you're

you've already got one foot in the grave.

Um, it's a uh I think that's an interesting theory, but I think that if you were only living to 50, that you'd have your midlife crisis at 25 because like fucking Alexander the Great's out there like leading troops at 18.

That's true, yeah.

So like

seven years later, the dude's probably like, what am I really doing?

And then he wept because he had no place left to conquer.

Yeah.

That was that crisis.

Yeah.

Or because he was a big pussy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Find some new places to conquer, babe.

Historians have not yet settled whether or not Alexander the Great was a huge pussy.

It's still well debated.

It's a shame that that is.

That's why they call him the great.

Yeah.

It's a shame that that is a gendered slur.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because it's so good.

It is a good slur.

Like, it's a good.

One of our best.

It's a good slur.

Like, coward doesn't have the same.

You know?

Yeah.

No.

coward, although I think if you say it mean enough, coward could be more hurtful.

I wonder what came first:

the slur you are a pussy, as in like you're a pussy cat, or that girl's pussy.

Yeah, what is the etymology here?

I would guess.

Let's look it up.

Yeah, why don't you look it up?

This is this is

which came first?

Pussy or pussy

while we're stopped down.

Matt, what's your favorite slur?

Oh, gosh.

I mean, the list is so varied.

I can't even do like a fake one because

I don't even know if the ones that are sort of like things people used to say

are like actually, actually, that one's really bad.

Yeah, that one's come back around to being super offensive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe Chud.

Chud is pretty good.

Cannibalistic humanoid underground waller.

Calling someone a Chud is fun.

It is really good.

Yeah, you fucking Chud.

Yeah, I've never seen Chud, but I just know that, like, if I'm calling somebody a chud, it's I'm I'm right.

You gotta see chud, but I hope you don't see a chud.

Man, if I saw a chud, I'd be really freaked out, I think.

Uh, the noun pussy, meaning cat, comes from the modern English word puss, a conventional name for a term of address for a cat.

Uh, the word puss is attested in English as early as 1533.

The words puss and derived forms pussy and pussycat were extended to refer to girls or women by the 17th century.

So,

so it is first

slang for women, and then

you are like a woman to insult a man.

So, so yeah, but cats first, the term for cats first, then slang for then general, generalized to women, and then specified to you know, it's a

your

cooter, if you will.

Uh, um,

webster's

Webster,

there's more, there's more, there's more.

Pussy was used to refer specifically to genitalia by the 18th century.

Got it.

These things take so long.

And they're further extended to refer to sexual intercourse involving a woman by the 20th century.

But

here come my boys.

Webster's third international dictionary suggests that pussy in the sense of vulva may be connected to Old Norse puss,

meaning pocket or purse.

Wow, it comes back to Viking.

When you said, here come my boys, I knew it was Viking.

Yeah.

When does Big Pussy from the Sopranos Factor in?

2004?

Yeah.

Interesting, interesting.

You know, you don't often learn things on our podcast.

In fact, never before has anyone learned anything listening to the show.

And now we all learned a little bit about a word that I think will probably get us banned from broadcast broadcast in Texas.

Yes, yeah.

I can't wait to go home and tell my wife.

I learned something at work today.

Hey, we have some exciting news to share.

I'm not sure if you all saw that this about very, you know, we're recording a little bit earlier in the week than usual, but we have some news that came up.

EA's $55 billion buyout gives Saudi Arabia even bigger foothold in the games industry.

How about that?

That's really great.

And I can't wait to talk about it when we're performing live at the Riyadh Comedy Festival.

I can't wait to be there at the podcast stage.

It's going to be a blast.

Big ups, MBS, Mohammed bin Salman.

Thank you for everything you're doing.

Yeah, I can't wait to put my hand in

a hand.

This is the more

Electronic Arts confirmed Monday that the company was being acquired by private investors, including Saudi Arabia's public investment fund, private equity fund Silverlake, and Affinity Partners, the investment firm founded by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law.

The news gets even better.

I gotta say.

So, congrats to everyone involved.

For my money,

the worst Jared.

The thing is, EA already sucks.

They're already so fucking bad.

Yeah.

So, it's just like, I mean, this totally makes sense.

That's sort of calculated.

Do they exclusively own the Star Wars license or only for Battlefield?

I believe the Star Wars license is,

you know,

I believe the Star Wars IP is licensed out to different publishers.

Yes.

So you have,

what do you call it?

Ubisoft did

Outlaws.

Right.

Respawn, which is an EA company, I believe, did the Jedi games.

But yeah, it's farmed out a bunch of different things.

You know what's crazy is to think of being a programmer, an artist, a developer at EA.

It's a tough...

ethical job to have, but you keep your head down and you're like,

if I just get to carve out a little bit of art in this art form, then maybe I can elevate the world.

And your boss comes in and goes, hey, guys, we were bought by Kushner and the Saudis.

That's tough.

Maybe this.

Maybe this potential windfall, though, could bring back EA Sports.

Big.

I do like EA Sports big.

It's in the show still around.

Big.

Yeah,

real bummer.

That label was discontinued nigh 20 years ago at this point.

Yeah, R.I.P.

R.I.P.

Big ups, if you will.

Big ups.

Are there any other news items this week?

Gosh, it's still,

it's earlier in the week than we typically release.

That was the big one I saw, those games really.

This episode's recording spooky season,

but is released solid spooky season.

Yes, yeah.

We're on the cusp.

I'm detecting a little bit of pumpkin spice in the air.

I'm tasting it even.

I make make a pumpkin spice latte for myself in the mornings and have been all September.

You make it for yourself at home.

That's what do you do?

What do you do?

What do you mean, what do I do?

Like, what's your secret?

What's your formula?

What do I do?

I'll tell you what I do.

I have an espresso machine that my wife got me for my birthday several years ago that I treat like a fucking sports car.

I clean that motherfucker.

I polish it.

I measure my beans.

Like, where the vacuum left by alcoholism in my life has been filled with coffee obsessiveness.

Measure, grind.

I have a like a thing that I put on top of my would-be puck on top of my porta filter and I spin it and it stirs up the beans and eliminates the static electricity.

Then I tamp my shit.

I jam it in my espresso machine.

I brew my espresso and then

As you guys know, I don't drink or don't don't eat sugar.

So I use Manuka honey, which has a graininess and kind of,

I want to say like a spiciness to it.

Oh.

And that's how I sweeten the coffee because you do have to sweeten it up in order to make it into a pumpkin spice latte.

And then I shake pumpkin spice on top of my foam.

Wow.

And

it's identical tasting to the Starbucks pumpkin spice latte.

I bet it's even better.

What is the pumpkin spice blend you have?

I think it's just like a Morton's, but it's

cloves, nutmeg, cinnamon,

anise, I think, is in there.

I don't know.

It's like a shaker.

It's just an off-the-shelf.

Yeah, it's

a pumpkin spice, and it's got like a glass.

It's in glass.

Yeah.

That's nice.

Yeah, you don't want to eat that microplastic.

Well, I didn't know about taking the static electricity out of my damn coffee.

Now I'm worried I'm going to get sick or something.

No, that's not going to make you sick.

It's just for a more even flow.

I'm counting my days.

I also use a blind shaker.

I mean, like, I go through like a 10-step process to make an espresso.

Wow.

And my wife loves me for it.

And I love her for giving me the thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cyclical.

Very nice.

It is cyclical.

Yeah.

This weekend I took the machine apart and I polished each part of it and then I soaked it in cleaner and then I used an ultrasonic cleaner on the on the filter grid.

Yeah, how cool.

Filter grid?

Filter grid?

I don't know.

It's a metal puck that I put on top of my coffee puck to create a greater height in the puck itself and create a more even pressure and distribution from the water that flows out of the group head.

Coffee puck.

What a good word.

Yeah, it is.

It is.

I was just thinking, I was picturing a coffee puck the size of a hockey puck.

That'd be a big, big cup of coffee.

I would bathe in.

That would be really good.

Oh, man, it's the best.

I'm in hell.

One of the top drinks.

Certainly, I think number one hot drink.

I miss whiskey.

Number one hot drink.

Is it coffee?

I mean, what are other candidates?

You got tea of course tea is pretty good you got hot water hot water i think hot water is at the at the at the bottom i think

the

just a mug of hot water yeah that sucks

what am i sick

i mean i might be sick if i'm sick if you're sick hot water and lemon maybe it gets up there yeah what what so wait what what am i there's got to be something else there's gonna be something i mean something more than coffee no coffee and tea i'm just like doing more hot hot drinks

yeah hot chocolate there you go i mean hot chocolate's number one.

I'd rather have a cup of coffee than a cup of hot chocolate at my age.

What about a little cup of marshmallows or something?

Hot milkshake.

Hot milkshake.

Dude,

thick and hot.

Sounds like that sounds rough.

Nasty.

Hot eggnog.

Magma.

What do we think about a little bit of soup?

Not like anything thick or nothing.

Like a broth?

Yeah.

Like a mug?

In a little bit of mug.

That's kind of a drink.

It's more than it is a food.

Well,

I can't go there.

I can't say soup is a drink.

I will say when you're camping and you pour that shit out of a thermos and it's steaming hot and you drink it out of the cap, whoa, what a great time.

That's good stuff.

That's fun.

I had some clam chowder over the weekend.

That's not the type of soup I'm talking about, by the way.

That's definitely.

It's a Didn't be an Attenc clam chowder?

No, it was, I mean, gosh.

Like a New England clam chowder, classic sort of.

It was classic.

It was at Houston's.

They had a little special.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

That's probably like the

classic.

We got a clam chowder for the table, me and my wife.

New England.

Unbelievable.

It was so fucking good.

Yeah, Houston's is fun.

Good time at Houston's.

I loved it.

I loved it.

Hot drinks.

It's getting to hot drinks season.

I'm a constant hot drink season girl.

You ever seen that Wendy's hot drinks training video?

Hot Frosty.

Bloods are different.

I haven't.

I haven't seen that.

It's fucking great.

The song is, it's like, it's like a, it's like one of those

training videos from a time when effort was put into these things.

And for some reason, there's just like this fucking incredible, like, new jack swing, like, like, pop song that's driving it.

What was the, what was, like, do you know, like, what era it was, like, what year, perhaps?

I mean, late 80s, early 90s, it kind of feels like.

I guess it could be earlier than that, but it's, it's so fucking.

That's about when people cared about stuff.

Have you, have you, speaking of hot drinks and

instructional videos, have you guys heard the we built this Starbucks song that was leaked from a Starbucks corporate in the 90s?

No.

It is, it is the height of cringe.

It is like a song played at a corporate event about how they're like meeting their goals and meeting their numbers, all sung to the tune of We Built This City.

A song that already sucks.

Yeah.

We built this city on rock and roll?

I don't think so.

Build it on fucking something else.

Yeah, I think that's the real pride.

So it's a logic issue with the song.

It's not going to be able to sustain itself on rock and roll alone.

That's not enough.

There's not enough infrastructure.

The song's corrupted lyrics from Starbucks is We Built This Starbucks on Heart and Soul.

That is worse.

Yep.

Yeah, that's a lot worse.

It's terrible.

I hate that.

It's a fucking awful song.

You know what?

I'm never going there again.

Yeah.

Well, they're closing, so you don't have to worry about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Should we talk about some video games?

Fuck video games.

Okay.

No, let's do it.

Let's do it.

There's a question we ask each week on the podcast.

About video games that we've been playing lately.

The question is, what are you playing?

What are you playing?

Hi, it's me, the Resident Evil Merchant, and I'm here to ask my friends what they've been playing.

Mad Abodaka, what have you been playing?

Resident Evil 4 Merchant, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

I'm still playing Silk Song.

I got an item that's going to help me out a lot with

the fight that

I'm still on with The Last Judge.

I'm still on it because there hasn't been that much time in between since we last spoke.

Right, because we're recording early.

Yes.

Is the item taxed?

It is taxed.

I got the tax.

And

those things, you pop them down, you pop them down in the right spot, you're doing damage before the battle started.

The last judge is like standing in it.

It's like, ow, oh, ow, oh, ow.

And then you have stuff too.

I have this thing that

it adds poison to your tools.

So like I'm dropping poison tax.

Oh, yeah.

And he's now, he's like, oh, fuck, ow.

He says, fuck.

It's, it's, it's.

That's wild.

He doesn't say fuck.

I was just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

I believed you.

He says, fuck.

Why did you do that, Matt?

Like the old E.T.

ride and say your name at the end.

Bring back the E.T.

ride.

Yeah, bring back everything.

Bring back everything.

Why not?

So I don't have that much to report because I haven't beaten this boss yet.

But I have a take that I'd like to drop here on the show.

A take I'm debuting for the first time to the both of you.

Debut take.

Here we go.

Yeah.

Between Silk Song,

Death Stranding 2.

Yeah.

Hades 2.

Yep.

And perhaps even the upcoming

Ghost of Yote.

I think 2025 might be the year of the video game sequel.

I mean, there's also, you know, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, which Heather played.

That's right.

It's another edition.

That's the way it starts.

Yeah.

And every time you start it, you're like, oh, what a nice time.

Where was I saving?

And you like load it.

It takes forever to load because there's so much.

And like you start and you're being attacked by a wolf.

And it's like, oh, right, right, right.

This is where I stop.

I think there's just a lot of really great sequels and like some like that have come out this year.

And some of these sequels are just all timers.

Specifically number twos.

Number two.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

Something, I don't know if it's like, we don't don't got to like stamp the take now to be like, that's a good take.

We could see, we could let the rest of the year go and then see where we're at with it.

But I kind of, I kind of think there's something to it.

These are number twos you don't want to flush.

It's like the Queen's turds,

but this is a museum.

I'm sorry, what they didn't flush the Queen's turd.

Put those in a museum.

Do you think, what?

Did they do that?

No, no, no, not those, not those.

UK,

you open a door.

It's just like a blexiglass chamber of every shit she ever took.

That immediately makes me think I would like to see that when I die.

Like, I would like to see

represented somehow in whatever afterlife there is.

I want to see.

a tower or a pyramid or some sort of structure of all the shits I took in my life.

God.

It'd be kind of interesting.

Yeah, no, they're kind of like the queen shits in that way.

The turds you don't want to flush.

But

I'm very, very excited for

Ghost of Yotte.

So am I.

Be looking forward to checking that out.

But I'm guessing it's adding to the

sequels of this year, the number twos of this year.

Yeah, I mean, if it lives,

if it iterates on the first game, which I

really enjoyed,

if it's really like in the same way that

know some of these other games have

been a notable step

or maybe not a notable step up is maybe over

too much, but like like a clear advancement of the already previously compelling game.

Yeah.

So that's it for me.

Okay.

How about that?

Yeah.

I like to hear it.

Heather, what are you playing?

Well, I continue to play Persona 5.

Which is just a smooth time.

As I said before, it's the first time I've ever played one of these fucking games where I've decided not to try and max out anything or look up anything.

I'm just doing what I would like to do were that I was my boy, who I've named Wolfgang.

If I was Wolfgang

and I was wandering around the city, I'm going to do batting cages.

Okay, sure, I want to do a batting cage.

It also makes me really wish that I did more here in Los Angeles because everything he does is available here.

Right.

You can just go around and do this stuff.

But I don't do any of these things.

You can just go fishing in the city if you want.

Yeah.

You could go to a batting cage you can go try to woo a pharmacist or your teacher instead i sit on my couch and i go uh

i don't feel good like that all the time

just stressed out from from waking up oh oh my god uh the other thing i've been doing is of course playing fortnite took that 13-week break and i'm back on the game it is so full of glitches still jesus um what's the way to explain what's what's going on with fortnite what are the glitches right now?

So, the theory that my uh my squad mates have is that the initial launch of this season, which I missed, was so catastrophic and the numbers on the game fell so rapidly

that they pulled all of the boons and medallions out of the game and they threw in a couple of pieces of mobility.

Uh, a hammer that was um in many, many seasons ago.

Uh, I actually think the hammer was in right after we played for for the podcast.

Okay, yeah.

Um,

and the hammer is uh, sort of it was medieval-themed and like came from a quarry that was in that season.

Now it's just back with no story, right?

Yeah, um, and the hammer glitches constantly.

Uh, there are also key binding issues, which are so widespread that, like, you, you can just like do a basic Google of like, I can't, I can't draw, I can't uh shoot out of the window of the car.

How do I fix it?

And there's like tons and tons of Reddit threads about

these issues, none of which have been solved.

And given that this game is,

you know, pulling in $60 billion a year or whatever for Epic, it's wild to me that they would let a single day go by without hot fixing these problems.

Right.

But also this week was the daft punk experience.

Oh, yes.

Which was such a visual feast.

Oh, that's awesome.

Oh, man.

Imagine the game Res,

if you will, the old game Res, where you're flying through a sort of digital landscape while

plummeting towards an unseen gravitational force.

Transvibrator going just for vibe.

Transvibrator going.

It's in your pocket.

It's in your pocket.

Yeah.

What else are you going to do?

What do you mean?

You got to put it in your pocket.

Yeah.

Put it on your dog.

And.

You might put it in your mouth or something.

Shattering your teeth.

Dumb guy with a vibrator.

I guess I don't know what to do with this.

Returning to the fucking adult store.

This thing hurt my teeth.

Going to the ER.

It's rattling my rib cage.

Swallowed it, you fucking idiot.

Dumb as shit.

It's fun to invent new dumb guys.

The doctor's like, yeah, look, just

let digestion work its magic and eventually

come out the other end.

And he's like,

I'm going to do that again.

I elect it all the way out.

Luckily, I didn't flush it because I'm fucking Prince Andrew.

That explains why he's dumb.

So the Daft Punk experience was very res inspired, I think, but

with modern-day high-fidelity visuals.

And of course, the soundtrack was made by Daft Punk.

So it was like a really, really cool,

interactive tunnel that then drops you off at a concert experience that sort of replicates famous concerts of theirs.

And you can go to like different eras to Taylor Swift, the eras of daft punk, and you can also remix their songs in the arena.

Altogether, a flawless, bug-free experience.

A friend who is, I believe, a listener on the show, Miguel.

Miguel was like, why

don't they have those programmers working on the main game?

Because it was really cool.

And

honestly, my favorite of the concert experiences I've had in Fortnite so far.

But that's it.

Like, that's,

I finished off the Pokemon the card game pocket season in Master Ball.

I don't believe I got to a ranked position, but that's okay because this was my first season finishing in Master Ball, and I was really proud of myself.

Congrats.

My mom also plays.

She had her worst season, but she did take pictures of

Pokemon cards at a flea market because now she knows what they kind of mean.

Oh, interesting.

That's right.

You know, like she could be like, oh, I know what to do this, what these instructions on the cards mean.

Interesting.

That's kind of neat.

Do you think she'll get into collecting them?

I doubt it, but she does want to watch a tournament.

Oh, that's fun.

That's, that's, what a trajectory.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My mom, the gamer.

Nick, Tiger.

Yes.

Wiger.

That's me.

What are you playing?

Heather, just to, I, I, I will answer your question, but I just to touch on something that

Miguel, your buddy Miguel mentioned,

my inference would be having worked in development a long time ago, but being aware that even if these companies are making hand over fist, usually resources are stretched thin and there's never enough programmers on anything.

I would guess it's probably the same.

The same team, and they probably just don't have enough manpower to handle both things.

It's crazy to me, though, that that would be the case on what is one of the most financially successful games on planet.

That's what's so fucking dumb about how so many of these companies do business.

I'm not saying it's universal.

I'm not saying that's necessarily even the case with Epic.

Maybe they do have, you know, maybe they are fully staffed.

But in my experience, it does seem to be like...

There's just a shortage of programmers in general.

And then specifically programmers.

The design and art teams used to be, departments used to be, tend to be a little bit more likely to be fully staffed.

But also just every place is trying to do more with less is like a general corporate ethos, right?

It's just like, oh, fewer people, we'll lay off as many people as we can.

We'll have the workforce be as streamlined, meaning as small as possible

to maximize profit.

And that's why a lot of stuff just gets shittier and shittier.

I could see that too, like, but I mean, I don't have any insight info.

I'm just purely speculating.

You're not one of the guys from Daft Punk, are you?

You got me.

We don't know who they are.

They wear the helmet.

We're suddenly French.

Oh, no.

I am Daft Punk.

I could see more resources going to the Daft Punk thing, though, specifically because it's Daft Punk.

They don't really do that much stuff.

So for them to have wanted to participate in this at all.

Or, you know, not like they're not in the game.

You know what I mean?

But like,

yeah, they are skinned.

So I guess to sign off on it, they would want it to be something that was like really great and well done.

And it sounds like it came out great.

Yeah, it came out great.

And the Power Rangers collab is really fun, too.

You get to get in the Megazord.

And if you are in your squad, then all four of you do the poses before you jump up into this into the MegaZord.

And each of you controls a different, like, one of you has the arm, one of you controls the torso.

It's wonderful.

Like, that's all functioning great.

Yeah.

And you said Rita's in the game too?

Rita's in the game.

What about Golden?

Fucking screaming the whole time.

Zed?

Is that Emperor Zed?

Emperor Zed's really.

Emperor Zed's in the game.

You're making it just Daft Punk, and then the upcoming Tron Aries, which I believe Nine Inch Nails is doing the soundtrack.

Oh, yeah.

It has me just thinking about the Tron Legacy, was it right?

That was the subtitle, Tron Legacy Daft Punk soundtrack, which is so fucking good.

So good.

It's amazing.

Such a fucking incredible.

I like that album more than I like the movie.

Yeah.

And I like the movie.

And then, of course, the incredible original Tron soundtrack by the great Wendy Carlos, which is also just so fucking

inimitable.

Well, you would like the Tron Legacy because you wrote it.

You wrote the music.

I wrote the music because I'm one of the guys.

Yeah, you're one of the guys.

Yeah,

I am one of the daft people.

You wrote it in French because you're French.

Right, that's my first language.

Yeah, I'm not going to speak it now.

No, no.

That's okay.

I got to maintain the mystery.

Yeah, exactly.

And you're also Mr.

Brainwash?

Yeah, I'm also Mr.

Brainwash.

Wait, isn't that a real...

Don't we know who Mr.

Brainwash is?

I meant to,

that's how crazy it is.

Mr.

Banks, Mr.

Brainwash is the daft punk guy.

He's hiding and playing Christ as this guy who's pretending to maybe be Banks.

Right, yeah.

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Heather, what I'm playing is Hades 2, which I think we're all going to maybe have some things to say about.

But the 1.0 of Hades 2, look, I played a good amount of it in the early access, and then it took some time away from it, except for one brief revisit, which I talked about in recent months

when there was a major update.

But I was trying to save most of my Hades 2 time for 1.0, and I'm glad I did, because I'm really enjoying it.

I think the new progression system with the, you know, instead of the Mirror of Night, we got the Arcana cards, which are kind of like tarot cards for all the, I like, that grid, I think, is super satisfying to unlock.

I think it's the the progression feels really tangible and the way like your kind of skill points are distributed and then you can choose what you're like it just feels I liked the mirror of night and it was cool how you got to allocate what you're going to use but like it is it this feels like uh

More like a skill tree, but like in a good way.

I mean, I'm like kind of exhausted by skill trees.

This feels, but this feels distinct enough from a skill tree.

And you really can kind of like focus what your

what your build is going to be just because of the the way that it's structured and i like that there's more there's more resource gathering i like that there's more crafting i think that's all really fun um and i i just think it's like

uh so i i i i've been uh

i've been experienced anhedonia experiencing anhedonia recently which is a a feeling of

an inability of like to feel joy thank you for saying that inability to feel like feel like joy in anything um and which is like a thing that you know uh a lot of people do with deal with when they're dealing with mental health and it is frustrating because, like, you're maybe dealing with something, and then when you get whatever your escape is, is also not like feeling giving you a sense of um uh fun or sense of purpose or anything like that.

But uh, I'm not saying this game broke me out of it, but this is a game where I'm like playing it, and I'm like, I'm actually having fun doing this, I'm enjoying this, you know what I mean.

And I think that just comes to A, it's connecting me with one of my favorite games of all time, Hades 1.

Uh, but B, it's just like got this um incredible gameplay loop.

Uh, the the the gameplay is so kinetic, uh, it's It's unrelenting in a way of just,

you know, constant rewards.

And just the structure of it.

Just the

going through runs, collecting different boons, the new interactions.

Each time you get your ass kicked and sent back to the crossroads, which is the new kind of hub world, each time you get sent back there, it's like,

And you get all these new interactions with NPCs and new upgrades you can get or whatever.

It's really, really fun.

And then the first time I got to Oceanus, the second of the biomes, it was like, I will say, this is case, because Matt, you've been spending some time with Hades 2 as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've also been playing it.

Heather's also been playing.

So we've all been playing it.

So let's open up the discussion at this point.

I do feel like there was a little bit more of a choke point slash,

you know,

like skill test

with Hades 1 in terms of escaping that first biome.

It feels like Megara to like beat McGuera was like, I you did need a few more bites at the apple, a few more iterations, a few more runs to get through that.

I think because of the structure of this game, because it's got maybe a little, a few more biomes, um, it's a little bit more expansive, there's less of a uh

like a like a

uh

what am I trying to say here?

It's it's I'll say it very simply, it's less difficult

to beat that first boss for that first boss.

And so, like, I did it relatively early.

It was just a couple of runs before I knocked them out.

But that was, like, satisfying in and of itself to get to, like, a new biome, like, much quicker than in Hades 1.

Yeah, like, I would say, because

I had done a few runs back when it released in early access when we had first sort of talked about it.

Yeah.

And hadn't touched it since then.

So I'm having like a...

Since I've rejoined the,

you know, I guess rejoined the conversation and started with 1.0, I'm having a a hard time remembering what was and wasn't there, kind of.

Right.

Uh, just because it's been a while since I experienced it, but I feel like I just experienced something that wasn't there.

I don't think it was there the first time.

Uh, the sort of like playable, uh, like flashback.

Yes, I mean, some of that, that stuff is, does feel like it's been added

in recent, more recent builds, uh, which I enjoyed.

I thought that was great.

Um, or fleshed out at minimum, yes, and I love the tarot cards.

I think they're, uh, they're very like it that sort of adds more to the world than the mirror did for me.

For sure.

It's just a little more

in line with

the magic element and things like that.

Well, also, the mirror was pretty, like, it was basically just a, you know, just a menu.

You know, it was pretty minimal.

I think it absolutely got the job done, but it was not something with a lot of

visual panache, which is the tarot cards do have a little bit of,

like you were saying, like, like kind of coloring the world a little bit more.

And I,

so far i've gotten to the first sort of like boss and i haven't done yet but i've only done like three runs probably or something so i'm just sort of like relearning the like how to play and just like and and just loving it loving how fast it is and how um i i got i've already gotten a new weapon and a new um like tool like there's like the tools for uh like mining resources and things like that that i've uh enjoyed and i gotta just say

the character design yet again, some of the hottest characters I've ever seen ever.

There was a lady with the eight-pack.

Yeah.

And I was like, wow.

Unbelievable.

I wish I was buff like that lady.

Yeah.

So I'm just, I'm really enjoying the game.

And even though I've spent not that much time with it so far, I'm already like, the game of the year slot is

stacked.

It's a fucking crazy year.

It is a crazy year for games.

It's crazy.

Can I say the number one thing that I appreciate about Hades 2 is that you start the game and you can immediately play the game.

Yes, great.

And god damn it.

Like the first time you play the game, it's like, I think there's a single splash screen of some kind of story setup that's just like, oh boy, Kronos has to die.

And then you're, you're playing.

There's no tutorial.

There's no, like, nothing is like fucking like

slow leading you into the actual game.

It's just like, here you go, go.

And if you want,

you can investigate more of

how to play the game, like, pretty shortly thereafter, because you, after you die your first time, you can train, you can, like, learn all your buttons, whatever.

But for me, I was just like, oh, fuck, how far can I get on my very first run before I know any of this stuff?

And that was so enjoyable.

And I was really, really, really really grateful for it.

Also,

she moves pretty fast.

That's what I'm talking about.

Great sense of speed.

It's not quite fast enough, but I know that there's going to be upgrades to how fast she can move.

Yeah, you can get stuff to make you go a little faster.

Yeah, you can.

And so where she is in speed when you start, I'm like, this is acceptable to me.

This isn't blueprint speed.

I'm not...

I'm not angry at how slow my character is running around.

It's pretty good.

It would be so funny if a game like this was that slow like if you could be like if you had to be so slow like in i feel like diablo is pretty slow physically yeah i think i mean those games definitely do not have the same sort of yeah you know you did you even in i mean diablo 2 is especially was uh was frustrating because i i love that game but like you had a you would

you could only run for so long before you'd run out of stamina and stamina being a resource you'd eventually have to upgrade so you can run more and your walking speed was much slower one of the things they've upgraded in fortnite this season season is that they have

very, very rapidly in the game when, because each time you get boons and upgrades in your run of Fortnite, which is more and more like a roguelike,

the boons you get eliminate stamina depletion.

So you can do the running speed for longer and longer the longer you play the game, which is really nice.

For those of us who like to run.

They also added sonic wheels to the cars.

Whoa, really?

Yeah.

it looks like he's rolling in the wheel.

I definitely someone who got

up pretty high in the heat when I was doing

Hades 1 runs over and over again.

I did start to feel like king shit in that very first run a little bit.

Be like, oh man, what if I fucking

what if I just keep going here?

And then, of course, you fucking get obliterated.

It was my hubris was punished, much like, much like Icarus

in the Greek myth.

But the, but I

Kid Icarus.

Much like Kid Icarus.

But it is.

That's a morbid title.

It really is.

Once you get to the

part of, I think, why they're just starting you

meteor is and just being like, hey, just fucking go for it, which

I love.

I don't know if the time to game account is still going, but when that would, like, this is one I'd be, it feels like seconds before you actually get to play this fucking game, which I love.

But

as much as teaching you how to play the game, this game is trying to teach you that you're going to die and just trying to get you to a death really quickly in the same way that the

relatively quickly, the same way that Souls games usually start with a fucking boss that's going to just kick the shit out of you.

It must be possible

to play that opening level all the way to the end.

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

I'm sure we're going to.

I wonder if someone's already done that.

I bet that will be a speedrun category at some point.

I'm already

preemptively so impressed by somebody.

I love it.

What a fucking legend.

That'll be, that's interesting.

I wonder if it will be

because when people start min-maxing this, and I don't know how much

of a speedrunning community there is around Hades, but if you were trying to speedrun a game like a roguelike,

is the fastest version trying to get through it on your first run?

I know a lot of people are speedrunning blueprints and there's a lot of like day one runs.

There's a lot of like that.

Or is it going to be maybe faster to get to a death quickly so you can get a few upgrades that make you a little bit faster at getting through the run?

Yeah, I don't know.

And it'd be interesting to see where that calculus ends up landing when they hyper-optimize that.

But yeah, I think this, I think it's really, really fun.

It sounds like you haven't gotten to Oceanus, the watery realm realm yet.

And this game has basically just come out as of this recording.

Like I said, like we keep saying, we've recording a bit earlier than we normally do.

But as you might infer from the name, it's a little wet and that's kind of fun.

Yeah, I was kind of getting the impression when you said Oceanus

that

it might be a little wet.

Heathers making a face.

Sorry.

Jesus.

Hey, sorry.

You hear a word like ocean?

I'm going to guess wet.

That's fine.

I already do really like the, I mean, I'm not so deep in the story yet of it, right?

So, but like,

even if it was just like, hey, there's no story,

it's just a little bit more of Hades, and you're just now playing this character.

I'm like, great.

It's just like, it's such a fun loop and so fun.

It's just a, it's, I love pushing buttons.

Yeah.

It rocks.

It's, you know, it's five.

It's been five years since the original Hades came out, right?

Like five years?

And so.

They've used that development time.

Well, I'm glad it doesn't seem like they,

you know, Supergiant overthought it in terms of like completely reinventing what the game is.

It's just like the stuff that works is just underlined and emphasized and bolded.

And then there's just some additional mechanics that make it a little bit of a richer, more fleshed-out experience.

And from what I can gather, it's just a bigger game.

I was surprised how cozy it felt.

Yeah, it feels real cozy.

Like, even though they're not the same guys, they are sort of the same guys.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, it's my friends from this little game.

Well,

you see, like, Hypnosis is still there.

You know, it's like, you'll see some of your old friends.

Aphrodite's still there.

Yeah.

You know, but still, it, it's like, I was like, oh, I, I,

I didn't realize that this would feel as warm as it does to me

and, and less of a chore.

And, and, cause I, I didn't remember loving Hades.

Like, I ran, I ran through the first,

I finished that first run and I was like, okay, I'm done.

And you guys were like, no, the real game starts now.

And I was like, ah, no, not for me.

That's it.

But I still was really,

I don't know, it's nice.

The sound is nice.

The color is nice.

It's a good, pretty game.

I've already double-dipped on this because I got the early access on Steam.

Yes.

But it's available for Switch 2.

So I was like, I'll get it on Switch 2.

And the cool thing there is that you can link your account

with cross-save.

So, like, if I wanted to then play it on my PC or something or my Steam Deck, I could, I could do that and keep the 1.0 progress

going.

But it's just, they just, they make great stuff.

I just really, I just really am so happy that it's finally out in 1.0.

It's fucking rad.

Yeah.

Before we

get into Greek gods and games and Greek myths and games,

producer Rochelle Shen Ranch,

are you also playing Silk Song?

I am playing Silk Song.

Let's do a quick what are you playing report with you?

Like, how is your, what is your Silksong experience?

How does it compare to hollow night one and um uh yeah what where are you in the game i am like really enjoying silk song even more than hollow night wow even though i think hollow night is a perfect game yeah i think that it's i don't know if it's because of playing hollow night where i just understand how the game works i feel like it's been going a lot quicker yeah um and yeah getting to the action faster and like less meandering.

I think there is like a lot of grinding that needs to happen in certain points, but I don't know.

I just really like being in it.

Yeah.

But I'm in Act Two right now.

Yeah, it's it because the game seems getting is getting more intense,

which is surprising.

Yes.

Because I think Hall of Knight was just like basically, it's in like a gradual maybe intensity, but I feel like Act Two is already just like kind of crazy.

I remember wanting to ask you,

what crest are you using?

Because you could have sort of different builds now.

You find these crests throughout throughout

the world.

And

you start with

the hunter's crest, I think it is.

Or the Reaper.

I can't remember which one.

I think I'm using the Reaper.

I think so, too.

I think it was the second one that I found

that to

Pogo.

directly down instead of diagonal that they were making us do at the beginning of the game where our hornet goes diagonal and it was very confusing.

And

I sometimes go back to that one because your attack is, you have more reach with your attack, and it's a little stronger.

Right.

But the platforming is so much harder with that diagonal.

And somehow, I know that I'm supposed to do it a certain way, and

I can't do it.

I feel so bad at the end.

I haven't gone back to that crest at all.

Yeah.

I did find a crest that is

basically the same moveset as Hollow Knight, which is cool, but you have such limited reach that it's not worth it.

But then I have this other one, too, that like you, and you have different, there are different

sort of like medallion spaces that you can unlock.

I love this system, it is so fun to me.

Yeah.

Because you don't have all of them available right away, but like you can sometimes put

like you get two blue ones, two yellow ones, and two red ones.

The red ones are tools.

Yellow is like

sort of like

passive sort of like abilities.

And then

blue ones are like sort of like active ones where you can have like a shield or like the poison thing that I was talking about earlier.

And it's just, it's really, really great.

And I think it does feel a little bit more, the world feels a little bit more rich, I think.

Because there's something about the rosary beads.

To me, I'm like, okay, this

society has religion.

This is inherently like, there's something a little bit more going on here.

There's like there's something there's a little it's it's a little bit meatier for some reason.

It's very interesting.

There's definitely more story happening.

I feel like Hollow Knight was mysterious to the degree where I still don't understand what happened in that story, but I think in Silk Song, there is like kind of a clear journey that Hornet is going through and it's like very, very fun.

And she's also very sassy.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

And she talks too.

So like sometimes like I just encountered somebody who was like, I'll call you this or whatever.

And she goes, you'll call me by my name or nothing at all.

Wow.

Okay.

She's so cool.

Have you been to the slab?

The slab?

Yeah.

There's, okay, there's an area called the slab that's like a trap area.

And then you get stripped of all your items.

I haven't been there.

Okay.

It's fucked.

It's it's it's it's it rules, but you have no items.

So then you're having to navigate this area without like a compass or skills or anything.

Wow.

And it's it's great.

It's really fun.

Where is that near?

I don't remember, but you will find it on accident, which is what, which is what I did.

Like, oh, interesting.

Oh, I'm trapped now.

And

you have to find your way out and get your stuff back and stuff.

It's in many ways one of the greatest games I've ever played.

It's great.

Wow.

Yeah.

Really?

But like for Silk Song, you're saying that at this point.

Yeah.

That's why.

I'm not even done with it.

And like for where I'm sitting right now, who knows if I'll ever finish this damn thing.

But

it's just so fucking good.

Yeah.

It's the exact, like, it's it's maybe an unfair benchmark for iteration.

Yeah.

Like, it's like, it's, cause it's exactly more in every single way.

I was talking to my alpha brother, Nate, and he, who finished Hollow Knight.

And I was, you know, I know I love Hollow Knight.

And I was, he was asking me if I was playing something.

I was like,

not yet, you know, because I've just kind of fell off of Hollow Knight.

And he's like, I was like, how about you?

And he was like, it was interesting to hear someone who was like, like, I don't, I don't know.

I hear it's like, it's like fucking even harder.

I don't have patience for it.

That, like, I,

that, I think that is, that has kind of been circulated so widely that even fans of Hollow Knight in some cases are being like, oh, I don't know if I want to tackle this game.

Yeah.

But it seems both of you, as avowed fans of Hollow Knight, are saying that

Silk Song.

If you like the first game, you'll like Silk Song.

And

the difficulty spike is not enough to,

it should not be enough to deter someone who's a fan of,

again, the original.

Yeah, I think so, because I think it feels a little bit more rewarding

in that way.

Like, the difficulty is punishing, but when you do it, the main reward is not throwing your Switch across the room.

Yeah.

Or your Steam Deck.

Yeah, or your Steam Deck, yeah.

Or, you know, punching your computer monitor or something.

Yeah, sure.

But it's, it's just, it's.

Spiking your PlayStation like a football,

putting your Xbox up your own ass.

You know, the things you might do.

Taking the Xbox Series S and just being like, nah.

I'm so pissed.

I'll do, I'll shove this up my own ass.

That'll show it.

It's just an incredible game.

And it looks fantastic, too.

There's just always a lot going on in each area.

And all the little bugs, they're nasty.

Nobody likes bugs.

Nah.

Before we move into the main topic, I'm surprised that we haven't talked about

the

10-year plan of Kojima Productions conference that happened

last week.

Did either of you get a chance to watch it?

I didn't watch it, but I watched the trailer and

I watched the trailer for OD knock,

which seemed cool,

seemed very PT.

Yeah.

But it's also like...

It also very well could not be like that, right?

Like

it wouldn't surprise me if he like made it some of it intentionally to evoke that beautiful in the same way that like solid snake is basically in death stranding 2 um he was testing the waters uh with that now and now maybe doing it again with this um that it looks it looks cool it looks very real yes like the the animations on the hands when you're lighting the matches in the in the demo

trailer reel thing uh were upsettingly uh visually realistic yes i don't know.

It seems cool.

Fizzent, a lot of people have already

sort of

re-scanned and re-res the poster a million times to see who the star of Fizzent is.

And it seems like it might be Robert Pattinson.

Jesus Christ.

Fuck.

Because

if you blow up the brightness on the poster to like 10 billion percent,

sure looks like Robert Pattinson in that

poster.

Really cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know fandom is sweaty.

I love Robert Pattinson.

I think he makes such great choices and he's such a good actor.

I love him.

I'm such a huge fan.

I love him.

I love Austin Butler, too.

I'm such a fan of Austin Butler.

I think he's so we love Austin Butler.

Let's talk about Austin Butler.

When you weren't here last week, we did a Segma Dreamcast for Final Fantasy VII.

And where did we cast?

Did we cast?

I think we cast him as Cloud.

We're like, it's honestly kind of good.

It's very fun, especially now that I'm older than a lot of these actors.

Just like man i love that guy yeah he's so cool that's the thing about him he seems so fucking cool

and he's good yeah he makes good choices he has good taste it's very very interesting um i'm glad that there's like somebody like a cool movie star i watched i walk by a five i said this fucking annoying it's this annoying high-end mall but it's got like a really good movie theater so like we go there sometimes and there i was walking out there they had a fucking it was one of those luxury watch brands yeah and i walk by it was like one of those stores

I was like, I don't know who, like, how are there possibly enough customers for like all these fucking like like watch brands, you know, and then jewelry stores are at these like luxury malls, but whatever the fuck.

I'm walking by it.

And then there's like two displays.

There's one is

like one is Austin Butler wearing a watch, wearing one of the watches.

And the other one is

a multi-time NBA MVP and champion, Yannis Entadagumpo, wearing a watch, who's like, he's so handsome and he's so cool.

I look at him and he's like, I can get these watches.

I was so easily persuaded.

Yeah.

No, I mean, it kind of makes.

You look like that.

No, two.

I'm one of these guys.

You've just described why everybody then bought the drive jacket.

Yeah.

Man, that's the hottest guy I've ever seen.

Are you kidding me?

He looks fucking awesome.

I'm going to get a jacket like that and also be hot, I guess.

I would love nothing more to play a a video game where you star as robert pattons yeah'd be awesome

pretty dope yeah pretty dope he would honestly be kind of a good cloud i know we're not doing the segment anymore uh

he'd be an interesting cloud he would be an interesting cloud i think he's a little older than cloud that's that's the whole thing it's just like you know all these those guys are

teenagers basically you cast up a little bit but yeah anyway yeah second that's from last week we're not doing it anymore that was from last that was a week ago we already over it.

Physically, if it was back in the Twilight era, it could have been like a squall Leonhardt, maybe.

Oh, yeah.

We're going for it.

Save for a future one.

And we'll do Cast Young Edition.

Anything else you want to say about the Kojima reveal?

No, I just thought it was a cool event.

And

I like,

I don't know, I like watching those events.

I like Nintendo Directs.

I like Sony State of Plays.

I like that Kojima Productions is now doing their own, like, here's what's coming.

I like all of it so much.

I think

I respond well to pomp and circumstance, too.

Like,

even if it's artificial, I'm always like, oh, look, this seems important.

How about that?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They're showing me the new phone.

I got to see the new phone.

Show me the new phone.

I love the new phone events.

I love them.

It's great.

Though I really, really, really miss the stage presentation on the phone events.

Get somebody out in a fucking turtleneck and show me the goddamn computer.

Because there's like all of the splashy like drone shots of the

phone.

It's like, okay, what I want is

the best marketing moment that I saw in my adult life was when Steve Jobs pulled the I'm the Mac Air out of the envelope.

Yeah.

And like, he's like, yeah, you know, I've got, I've actually got the Mac Air here.

And he went over to the podium and he picked up an envelope.

Yeah.

And went,

and people start going, oh,

and he unwraps the envelope and slides it out of the manila envelope.

Like, can you imagine how much that guy screamed at people until it fit in that manila envelope?

Yeah, sure.

Getting a custom-made envelope.

Yeah.

He must have screamed until like people were like, like giving themselves diarrhea.

Yeah.

It makes me wish that.

He must have screamed like someone made iconography with Ellen DeGeneres.

I wish

James Cameron writing an S and turning it into a dollar sign on a on a whiteboard

in a meeting was televised.

That'd be a cool thing to see.

I would have loved to see it.

Yeah.

I love those moments of a pure sale.

Yeah.

Like, fucking, if you're going to do capitalism,

at least give us the pure moments of like somebody being like,

got milk and the room goes, oh my God.

Yeah.

Is that why I liked the movie Air so much?

Because I'm like, oh, it's the shoes.

At some level, I mean, yeah, it's like, you know, it's that there isn't a like, we've been marketed to so much in our lives that we're now nostalgic for marketing.

And so I think that was part of the genius of that movie is just like, oh, yeah, we all remember being excited about Jordan sneakers and like looking at the ads for them and whatever, you know, even if you're too,

I'm of the generation where I remember Michael Jordan being in the NBA as a kid and, you know, remember like

all those ads or whatever.

But even if you're, you're too young for that, you like know about Jordan, the brand.

And so, like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's fucking, it's fucking weird.

It's crazy.

I think that's, we love capitalism so much that that's why Mad Men was a success.

Yeah, sure.

You just want to see somebody be really good at their job and you want that job to be advertising.

Yeah, because there's some mystique you've sort of bought into this, this, this, this thing that you're like, oh, whoever came up with

milk or you know coca-cola and joy is a genius and there's like some sweaty guy in an office probably just being like i don't know got milk probably just like that fuck i don't know

i forgot to do something today

uh should we talk more broadly about Greek mythology?

Yeah, I do like how this discussion is going to lead like directly into like an athletic greens ad or something.

Us doing an ad for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, let's talk about Greek myths in in games i i mean like uh you know hades and hades 2 we obviously is our starting point here uh but you know i think kind of the the apex of this is the hades franchise and the god of war franchise yeah so it's just those those are the those are the two the two big ones um that seem to hit hit the right balance of uh honoring the uh what's what's what's at the core, what's true, what's real about these

in the sense sense of like what's what's established

mythology

in this canon, but then also like like in like

expanding it, adding their own like specifics, remixing it where appropriate.

I mean, like, like, and God of War obviously expands beyond the Greek myths to

mythology of

to Norse mythology as well.

Yeah, and like, uh and Hades, Hades, I should also say, when we go go to the other aspects that you get as you unlock additional weapons, there will be other aspects from other myths from other cultures as well.

Oh, cool.

So that does,

that is an element in the first game, at least.

I do.

So I've said this before, but I was so into Greek mythology as a kid that when,

honestly, partly

due to probably

Disney's Hercules, which is like a very sort of watered down like version of it.

But that was probably my first exposure to the story of Hercules.

And obviously the clumps.

Yeah, the clumps, too.

Yeah, of course.

That was a lot of people's on-ramp.

The clumps, I was like, what are they talking about?

Who's this Hercules?

I have to sort of then look into it.

Man, they should do another Clumps.

Ah, would it,

boy, would a new Clumps be good?

I think it might fix everything.

It could, because could that be what makes things

get Eddie Murphy back on track?

I don't know.

Bunch of the teaser.

I can see the teaser right now.

Everybody's sitting down for the table.

Or no, the grandpa is like dead probably at this point.

So they're all at the funeral.

Somebody rips ass at the funeral, and then they all start doing it.

Yeah, I mean, that feels like that would be a natural set piece if you want that as your way into the new clumps

film.

I think the thing is, you get Eddie Murphy has recently done what he did.

He did Axel F, and then he also did Coming to America.

that's right and he's coming he's reprising donkey and he's reprising donkey and shrek so like he he is returning to some some old ip

i i you know i i think people have different opinions on these but i wasn't like particularly thrilled by either of those recent

legacy sequels you know like i i don't i mean and so i don't know do we do we really think that you know a a clumps movie uh with eddie murphy at this stage in his career would be something that he would like give his all you know

Or would it be the kind of a weird like Amazon paycheck movie that would be kind of a weird

not really like an approximation of what you liked about the originals?

It would be cynical from the jump.

Yeah, yeah.

It would have no ounce of joy.

There would be a bit of a

bit of a bummer in how I would implement it.

And

who would do a new Clump?

Like, who would you trust to get...

to take over the Clump's franchise, you know?

I don't know, but you got to get like a

Kiki Palmer Clump would be pretty good.

I could see that, yeah, doing something like that.

You'd have to, I guess, the way is you'd have to be a nutty professor first, right?

That would have to be your on-ramp before you get to the clumps.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's.

The clumps are in nutty professor one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then nutty professor two is the, is so clumps focused.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Meet the clumps is sort of, it's like a, it's more about them than it is about the nutty professor, but Sherman.

Then Then he takes the grandpa takes the serum and it makes him young and horny again.

Yes, yeah.

I think that a provocative clumps reboot or sequel would be a

black box style production where Eddie Murphy still plays multiple characters, but he is wearing the same black leotard and no makeup for all of the characters, and it takes place inside of a black room.

I'd be interested in watching that.

That'd be fun.

Just to see how he gets to who he has to be.

Yeah, but that is an acting exercise.

It'd be great.

So, yeah, Disney's Hercules

and

the Clumps, of course, were my entry points into Greek mythology.

But I actually have an earlier entry that I probably would have seen before even the Disney Hercules, which was Herx Adventure, the video game Herx Adventure.

You know what?

Somehow in my list of

Greek games, Greek mythology games, I missed Herx Adventure, but I do remember Herx Adventure.

It's a

PlayStation LucasArts game.

Yes, yeah.

And I don't know how or why my brothers and I got into that game, but we, I mean, it's funny.

The game is funny.

Yeah.

So we just kind of liked that he was this like silly guy, silly big buff guy,

and

enjoyed it.

But

I hadn't thought about the game

in like 30 years

almost practically.

probably like 27 years, if I'm being more accurate, but I hadn't thought about it until we started talking about this.

But we must have rented it.

I know we played it on the, there was like a PlayStation Underground demo disc that I had that had it on there or something.

And

then we would have rented the game at Hollywood Video and couldn't understand how to play or like what to do, but I had played enough of it that I was like, that game is now stuck in my brain forever.

Yeah, Herc's Adventure.

And then obviously Disney's Hercules would be in King in all the Kingdom Hearts games, I think.

Yep.

I think he's in all of them.

Because of the Coliseum.

Yes.

I want to shout out

that

myths and gods are so prevalent in games that there has been a Fortnite season dedicated to Greek gods.

That's right.

It's called Myths and Mortals.

It was from March 8th, 2024 to May 24th, 2024, so a little more than a year and a half ago.

And in it,

you had to fight against the gods on the Fortnite island.

You had to fight against Zeus.

You had to fight against Hades and claim their powers as your own.

And a lot of the weaponry was also like Greek god-inspired.

You could throw lightning bolts.

You could, there were these chains that were called the chains of Hades that you could

whip people with.

You had to do quests for Medusa, another game where Medusa is in the game.

And because of the way skins work in Fortnite, it is also one of the few games where you can play as Medusa when you are the looper.

Artemis was in the game, Cerberus was in the game.

It was, I don't know, it was one of my favorite seasons, extremely well balanced, and incredible POIs.

So,

you know, even Fortnite has done Greek gods.

Cerberus, the most famous dog?

We can't do this.

Why can't we do this?

We can't.

Because

I think it's an impossible question to answer.

Well, I mean, just like I'm trying to think of.

Airbud.

Yeah, Airbud, sure.

Beethoven.

There's some recency bias here, but yeah, sure.

I guess what I'm thinking in terms of famous.

Clifford's a good candidate.

I mean, you also got like a Mar Maduke.

You got like an Odie Garfield's buddy.

What was Biden's dog's name?

Bit everybody.

Oh, yeah, I know what you mean.

Yeah.

Yeah, bit the shit out of people.

Like, they like banned it from the White House or something, or like people just couldn't be around it.

I think they gave him a cabinet position in the new administration.

Yeah, cats outlawed.

There's Hachiko, you know, right?

The dog who waited for his, you know, the

for his owner, that famous style inspired the Futurama episode.

There's a Leica.

Leika, sure, the, the RAP,

the first dog in space.

And There's also Fenrir, who is both the motorcycle of cloud, but also the dog of Norse mythology.

That's right.

You know, sort of a competing

mythology dog.

Yeah, yeah.

You got multiple mythology dogs.

You got the big dog.

Well, yeah, the big dog.

I'm kind of bummed out.

I think the big dog went the way we didn't want it to go.

I looked into it recently.

I was like, I don't know if this one's holding up.

I think Goofy is probably the most famous dog.

Oh, Goofy.

Goofy, maybe it might be the Goofy the most famous dog.

Goofy.

Pluto?

Snoopy?

Yeah.

Oh, what?

Everyone forgets about Snoopy.

Snoopy is cute.

Snoopy's so famous worldwide.

Yeah, Snoopy's the most famous.

You see him sleeping?

Yeah, he's so cute.

Snoopy is.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What about Snoopy as a baby?

Cute.

That's good stuff.

I love Snoopy as a baby.

But Cerberus,

I think you recently said that the thing you like about Cerberus is that he has three heads.

I think it's cool that he has three heads.

I mean, it's kind of like a core, it's an obvious observation.

It's the core element of Cerberus, which makes Cerberus Cerberus, but having three different heads is cool.

It's the same as thinking Austin Butler is good because he's like handsome and good.

Like, I'm a dumb guy.

Like, hey, this guy's good.

I like him because he's handy.

Simple man.

Rochelle, I feel like you're the dog authority here, is the dog whisperer

growing up in a home with 13 dogs.

Do you have a

candidate for most famous dog?

Who would you think of?

Who's top of mind for you?

Wait, did you guys say Scooby-Doo?

We did not say Scooby-Doo.

That's a good candidate.

Guys, should we play Family Feud?

Good answer.

Good answer.

That's a good answer.

Good answer.

Scooby-Doo is good.

The four of us who would fill out our team.

We need one more.

We need five?

I think it's five for Family Feud, yeah.

I guess the Resident Evil 4 merchant or something.

I got to be on Family Feud once, and it was a very weird experience.

What was your, what was the context of it?

So it was family, Family Feud,

but it was celebrity family feud.

Got it.

And Drew Carey chose his family from his friends and co-workers.

And so I was in Drew's family.

And

I think actually we went up against Kevin Nealon's team.

Wow.

It's been a minute.

Yeah.

And

it was surprisingly stressful, even though you're like,

well, I don't

really give a shit about any of this.

Was it Steve Harvey?

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Steve Harvey.

Steve Harvey, Kevin Nealon, Drew Carey, everybody else that was there.

I would have been laughing my ass off.

It was good stuff.

It was wild, though, to go up and press the button and be like,

oh, God, what if I press this too slowly?

Yeah.

And then my team is disappointed in me.

Right, right.

I'd rather press it too slowly than say something that makes Steve Harvey lose his fucking mind.

You've got to like, like, like, because I, during the WGA strike, I, I got to know, I'm very lucky to get to know the Jeopardy writing staff.

And it was interesting talking to them about, like, because quiz show laws exist.

And so game shows are very strictly policed.

I guess one of the only things that's still regulated.

But like, there's like things

my understanding is there's things like the host can't really talk to you backstage or anything like that, right?

It's like, like, you don't, you don't talk to them until you're out there because they can't be like, oh, well, then there's the suggestion that they were maybe coaching you, telling you what the answers or the questions are going to be, what the answers could be, you know, whatever.

Like, like, it's, it's all got to be above board to that degree.

Was, was your experience like, was that part of the stress?

It felt like a,

I mean, it did feel stringent.

It was just very formal yeah um but also not incredibly like there was an assumption that you knew what you were doing okay like there wasn't like anybody who came over and explained the rules of family feud to you you just had to like go for it push the button and say some shit let's get out there and have a fun time

yeah um i don't know it was it was uh

I've never been on any other game shows and that was a very weird.

We lost.

We lost.

To the Nealons.

But it was still a good time.

Growing up in Southern California, Matt, I don't know if you ever experienced this, but like for school, as part of school fundraisers, we would sometimes, and this happened in Boy Scouts too,

the whole, because if you're in a studio audience, you get paid per head.

And so they'd be like, hey, let's take our, let's take this whole, the whole middle school over to a, a taping of something.

We're going to get some money for everyone who's in the audience.

And then that will be used to like, you know, make sure the school has an art department or something.

So

like,

you know, we would,

I went to one of those was, was going to a family feud taping when I was like, you know, 11 years old or something like that.

And it was interesting to experience.

For me, like that was, I think that was maybe my first TV taping and just seeing what how they did during the downtime and just seeing like the warm-up guy come out and me being like, this guy's great.

He's, he's so funny, you know, like, like not, not realizing that was part of the experience, you know, I used to I used to go to like tapings like for fun, yeah, like just like you know in college or whatever, and then the first like comedy like show taping that I went to the

The warm-up comic was the late Brodie Stevens.

Oh my god,

one of the funniest people I've ever seen in my fucking life that then I like got my family to come with me.

I was like, we have to see this guy, you guys are gonna lose it.

And he wouldn't stop playing like the drums on like the back of my mom's chair, and she was getting so scared

he used to do this thing where he'd just like have drumsticks and he'd have the music play really he's just like a big like you know he was like a energy just a big energy positive energy positive push yes you got it and he would like uh like guess uh he would tell you your high school's uh baseball team's name

He was so funny.

I loved seeing him around so much.

And then I would see him and I'd see

Jimmy Pardo at Conan and stuff.

Oh, Matt Pardo.

So one of the guys.

I remember I wrote for At Midnight for many years and

this old Comedy Central show

and panel show, disguised as a game show.

And Brody Stevens for a time was the warm-up guy, warm-up comic.

And it was just like, man, this guy's so fucking fun.

And it's such, I was a warm-up.

I did warm up one day of

my life.

And it was like the hardest day I ever worked.

I was like, I can't, these guys are fucking champion.

It's so because then it's it's for hours.

It's for hours.

You just got to be you just got to get people's energy up and you're just riffing.

You're just going, you're just like, or like, you know, a lot of it is just doing crowd work.

And there are people that are bad at it.

There are people like that like that.

You go and you're just like, oh, this whole, this experience is miserable for

this is deflating the audience.

This is bringing everyone's energy down.

It's having the opposite effect.

Yeah.

But no, he was he was so good at it.

The best.

So funny.

One, one quick Brodie Stevens thing I remember from a taping was

there was a time, there was like a moment when the audience had to be like quiet for something.

It was like, we just had to be quiet for this.

Like everyone very quiet.

Focus in

brodystevens.com.

There's nobody, there will never be anybody ever like him ever again.

He was a true just magic man.

I was wearing a, I was wearing

the record label sub Subpop.

I was wearing a hat that said Subpop on it.

I got at the Seattle airport or whatever.

And he comes into the old Earwolf office one day wearing a Subpop t-shirt.

And he goes, Look at us, the Subpop Brothers.

No good.

The best.

Yeah, it's just a very funny guy.

Who everybody misses?

It was a great guy.

Back to Greek mythology for a second.

Yes.

I feel like we should have got this out there real quick.

What?

Does everybody have a favorite?

Favorite Greek god or favorite

Greek myth game?

What are you looking for here?

Favorite what?

Ice cream?

Cookie?

What's everybody's favorite?

I guess like favorite, yeah, maybe favorite Greek myth or favorite, just like Greek god in general?

This is a great question.

I mean, like the, the, the, there's, it's so sprawling.

There's so many.

I'm just, um,

I've always been fascinated by, like, I, I like the,

I like the word that tantalize comes from tantalus.

And I like the tantalus.

Like, I just like, I, I,

I guess, I guess I, you were talking Hades, I do like a lot of the ironic punishments.

I just think that's like a really interesting thing.

Yeah.

But, you know, tantalus being punished in the sense of like having a, and a thirst that never goes away and then a pool of water.

And then every time he gets closer, it shrinks.

Yeah.

A lot of people.

That's fucked up.

First off, that would suck.

I'd hate for that to be my torment.

Yeah.

Give me that boulder to push up any day.

But yeah,

but I guess also, like, like Sisyphus, who I just alluded to, is just like pretty, pretty fucking good.

Kind of a metaphor for life.

My favorite part about Sisyphus is that his punishment was because he was smarter than the gods.

Yes.

Like,

what's great about him as a story is it is how you feel in most workplaces.

Like, if you're smarter than your boss, you're punished.

Right.

You know, like, if you're, and that's not my experience in my current job, but I've had jobs in the past where it's like, oh, wow, look at you.

You, you really, uh, you fix the header and footer in that.

How about you do that for all the documents?

Right.

And it's like, what the fuck?

Like, that is

such a nice window into the experience of being better than management and then being punished for being better than management.

Oh, oh, you, you, you tricked Hades?

How about you roll this rock forever?

Don't you do that fucking shit again, okay?

Fuck you.

I think Poseidon's pretty tight.

Poseidon's dope.

Yeah.

Having water as your domain is pretty good.

That's pretty sick.

Yeah.

We're so close with the Marvel movies to having just like Greek god movies.

It's a shame we don't just have straight up

Greek god movies.

Like where you have like the solo Zeus movie and then you see him in action in a different story.

I wonder, you know, we got the Christopher Nolan Odyssey coming up, so maybe we'll start to see that starting wait.

Give me that broth.

Yeah.

I want that stew.

Give me that thick bearded Matt Damon.

That's what I'm looking forward to.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Man, that's going to be good shit.

What about you, Matt?

Oh, Poseidon, of course.

I guess I like the sort of like the, I'm kind of basic like that.

Like, I think Hades is like, Hades is like a cool, interesting,

you know, he's bad, but he's got domain over hell.

Yep.

Kind of the opposite of water.

Yeah.

Yep.

I love Medusa.

Medusa is my favorite.

Yeah.

Medusa's cool.

Dionysus is kind of like a party, party animal.

Yeah,

but you know, that's, that's very fun.

How why

to come up with these stories thousands of years ago and for this shit to still be like valid?

It kind of goes hard.

Like it's like some of it's extremely tight.

There's like some crazy bad stuff.

Yeah.

Too, but like every sort of story like that.

But it's interesting that like, I guess when I was a kid, I didn't realize this, that like at this point, at some point, this was

religion until Christianity came around or something.

So, like, it like it supplanted, you know, you know, Christianity comes around, like, oh, like, we don't believe this anymore.

This is not true, but like, for a time, or

who knows how long, this was like what people believed.

And I think it's just interesting that

it could, if the stories were this good, man, I might be down.

You might catch me in a fucking church if the stories were this good.

Christianity is so fascinating

the way that its mimetic qualities function because it it does really go in and take over a ton of different like the same thing happens to the vikings right yeah the vikings have their own pantheon of gods and their their own stories and then christianity moves in and they're all like oh wow thor's hammer kind of looks like a cross we could just extend our little necklace a little bit longer and now it's a cross like it's it's i don't know it's fascinating it because it you don't know what it is about the story that makes it certainly it seems like a simpler story than, oh man, and then there's this guy who's a bull in the middle of a maze.

Yeah, right.

Like, it's oh, the Minotaur is cool too.

The Minotaur is really cool.

Yeah, but like, it's like, no, no, there's a guy.

He comes down, he preaches peace, and then he's killed by the government.

Yeah.

Like, it's, it's weird that that's like the story that like really hooked everybody when the other stories are so flashy.

Loki turned into a horse and he fucked another horse.

Yes, right.

I got to see what that's like.

I got to turn into one real quick.

I'm always, anytime there's something like that, of just like, like, I got tricked because a god turned into an ox and I got fucked by the ox.

I was like, wait a minute, hold on.

Wait a minute.

Yeah, so wait.

You were just, you were there to get fucked.

I was there to have sex with him.

A regular ox.

Cinderose is a god in disguise.

Pretty deceptive.

What happened with Zeus?

Doesn't he turn into a swan?

Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of that.

There's a lot of

There's kind of like a lot of like, a lot of these guys were like extremely horny guys.

Well, that's the other thing.

The Greek myths being super duper horny is fun.

And that's, it's fun that Hades leans into it.

I mean, the God of War series would acknowledge that as well, you know.

I mean, God of War is horny.

You press

X to

thump.

You press triangle to make her go ooh.

I think.

You press circle to make the candle

on the table go bonk.

I think

the games have sex in in them but i don't think they're horny

they're not at work they're they're sort of like

yeah that's interesting they got boobs and shocking but they're not yeah but there's not like any sort of eroticism it's it's he he approaches sex with a woman the way you would moving a table into a different room yes yeah yes oh yeah

and he's such such an angry guy and he's like i gotta get this

This rage out somehow.

I gotta fuck it out of myself.

Yeah.

I guess I'm still pissed.

It didn't work.

And he goes on and he

kills a bunch of guys.

Yeah.

And he screams from the ground up

to Zeus,

which is really, which is awesome, which is really cool.

While we're talking about Medusa, Medusas are a presence in Castlevania.

There's definitely some Greek myth stuff that makes its way into the Castlevania franchise.

But you mentioned this earlier, Heather.

For me, my way in was Kid Icarus on NES.

That was the first time I felt like I saw this really acknowledged in depth.

And that one is just so, it's so like light and silly.

And it doesn't have like, I don't think Palutena is an actual god.

I think that's just, you know, like Medusa is a presence in it, but there's also like the eggplant wizard, you know?

And

I always wish that franchise had more legs because I do like the original.

You revisit it now on an emulator and it's like, okay, this is maybe

better in my memory.

This isn't like as fleshed out as like a Metroid or something like that.

This doesn't, this, this is a little bit more linear than that.

Uh, some of the labyrinth levels have a little bit more depth to them, but there's, there's, there's, uh,

there's not a lot of like, there's, there's not a ton to this game, and some of it is a little bit annoying.

Um,

uh, some of the platforming in particular, uh, the final level of that game is really fun because it is just like once you eventually get equipped with everything, you get all the shit, and then you go to that final level, and it just is basically a schmup.

You're just going through uh you know the continuous scrolling thing um and then uh you know like uh beating the big boss of the end which i can't remember is it a big fucking medusa who the fuck is the final boss of kid icarus either way eggplant wizard no it's not an eggplant wizard uh there are a lot of eggplant wizards in the game but it's not a big eggplant wizard it's a big something um that i think it might be a big medusa or big centaur or something you shoot in the eye um but that that that game i always felt was was really really fun and then when they brought you know pit back for smash brothers i love that um i do wish the icarus game that came out for the ds uh kid icarus uprising yeah i wish that was a was that ds or three ds

3ds yeah 3ds i wish that one was a little bit more compelling um had a little bit more to it but i i was glad they at least tried something with the franchise again um there's an assassin's creed game that is uh assassin's creed creed odyssey yeah which is a major uh investigation of the greek gods and the greek myths and and sparta and ancient greece i have not dabbled in it I keep waiting for the moment.

Like, I am such the target audience for the meme of like, how often do you think about ancient Rome?

Yeah.

Like, I'm so ready to be interested in ancient Rome, but the only ancient Rome book I have

read is Daily Life in Ancient Rome, which is just like a textbook of like what happened.

Yeah.

Um,

but like that, the famous book series, The Rise and Fall of Ancient Rome, Rome, like all of these things are so

they're right there.

I just need to be

excited and interested in

engaging with it because as it is, I read like one Viking history book a month.

Right.

And so like I, but and you could, you could get there.

I could get there.

But and it's really neat also how much of the Viking world is like walking over the ruins of Rome and how close Rome was to the Viking era because it's like starts in like 800, 900.

So, like, now we

view those ruins as like, wow, those are so old.

But this was more like, who built these roads?

Yeah.

You know, like, there are a lot of roads everywhere.

Who built these roads?

That's a different.

fascinating way to engage with history as like a mystery instead of like an investigation.

Like the difference between those two things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It seems semantic, but I feel like it's like now you would dig a hole and you'd be like, oh, this, this bead

changes our relationship to what we thought was going on in this region.

But at the time, people would be like, how did this bead get here?

Yeah, yeah.

It was interesting to think about.

Yeah.

A game that I want to shout out, which is both, which is pretty recent, 2021, it came out, and it was one of my favorite games of that year.

It was originally a Skyrim mod

that got turned into a full game called The Forgotten City.

This game is set in

a like a Roman sort of ruins sort of time.

So I guess it's not exactly Greek myth, but it does have a lot of that because so the way the game is set up, that there is a thing established called the golden rule, and what that means is basically equal punishment.

So everyone is punished for any sort of crime.

And

as such, basically, like society is so fragile because it's just like the, again, if you're just going to punish everybody,

things are completely unsustainable.

So basically, what you're doing is you're going through this sort of time loop thing, and there's a bunch of individuals who are

golden, who are like golden statues.

I'm sorry, there's a bunch of golden statues there.

And basically, if one person commits a sin in the society, everyone gets turned into golden statues and the time loop restarts.

but what's really interesting about this game is as it progresses and i think the i found the ending so super duper satisfying

It starts to dig into

like

first off you figure out what the mystery you figure out that like one guy who seems like benevolent is actually like this this this evil over you know overseer who's engineered this whole society basically for his own hedonistic pleasures if you figure out how to get to the good ending the canon ending you get a bunch of context in terms of like where what first off fully explains everything that's happening, which is great because that doesn't always happen in a game like this.

But then also it goes through

Roman myths and then takes that back to how so much of that is owed to Greek myth, which itself is owed to Egyptian myth, which is also owing to Sumerian myths.

And so it just like basically stacks all these things on top of each other and just sort of like directly explains the origins.

And all these things were basically, you know,

taken from one society to the the next

and kind of reappropriated and remixed for everyone's own designs until they both informed but also were shaped to fit the social bores of that particular culture.

And it's just an awesome ending and it's got a great little epilogue.

It's a really, really satisfying game that is

just got a great story to it and does a great job of just like really digging into

just what's interesting about the core of all of these shared myths?

Interesting.

I love that game.

I remember when that game was new, you talked about it.

Yeah.

You're being interested in it.

I'll have to check it out.

If you guys could time travel to any ancient time

with like a full backpack of antibiotics, et cetera, and

you got to have a gun.

Yeah.

And

you got to spend one week there

and

you have enough safety equipment and some kind of universal translator mechanic.

Yeah.

What era would you want to be dropped in?

So we're talking human history.

We're not talking, like, you know, I got to see some fucking dinosaurs.

No, we're talking about human history.

Okay.

Human history.

So we'd like to see some dinosaurs.

What era of civilization?

You're putting an interesting little space in between those.

I don't know.

Having a little fun?

Yeah.

Why not?

Think about dino, and then it is like, I had the sword to the end of it.

Have there ever been dino swords?

Swords?

Fuck, dino swords.

Hold on a fucking shit.

Jesus Christ.

We have to cut this out.

It's too big, simply too good of an idea to put it on a podcast.

It cannot be in the show.

That's so good.

We're going to clip this out and mail it to ourselves.

That's yours.

Obviously, we get a piece, but it's like,

get ready to be the richest person on earth.

Are these reptilians blades or are these like

swords that are wielded by dinosaurs?

Well, either it's blades wielded by dinosaurs or it's blades infused with dinosaur power.

So you

have a fucking T-Rex blade.

It's like a big, like Zvihander, two-handed blade.

Or you can have like little, little nimble Dinanecus, like those are dinosaurs.

A big spiked one, like a

Stegosaurus?

Yeah.

Yeah, you get that.

Stegoswordis.

Yeah, it's here.

Segosaurus?

They're all good.

Oh, man.

You got the three-bladed Triceratops sword.

Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Tyrannosaurus Rex is really good.

This is good.

Trontosaurus.

This is good.

Just like a fucking huge

strain of granite.

Do we call the president of Hollywood or something?

How do we?

This should be made.

It's too good for me.

I'm like Saturday morning.

This is really fucking good.

Dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs.

It has to exist.

I should Google it.

We should end the episode.

Go make these.

Yeah, it's

okay.

Let's answer Heather's question.

Going back in time, anytime in human history, imagine we're going to be safe and we just get to experience it.

Boy.

Well, the stuff that I would want to go see, you have to then suppose is real, right?

Sure.

Guys, it exists.

Dinosaurs is real.

And honestly, it's about as good as I thought.

That looks pretty good.

Dinosaurs looks like a ninja turtle's knockoff almost.

It's got five dinosaurs all in different.

What I like about this is they're in different armor.

You've got like, you've got like a Roman gladiator dinosaur, but you've also got like a medieval dinosaur.

You have like a karate dinosaur.

Like it's,

I dig that.

It's, it's really good.

We were exactly right to be as hyped about the idea as we were because it's a great idea.

It is a really good idea.

Dinosaurs, uh, republishing the 1990s comic book Adventures of the Dinosaurs, created by international comic artist and writer Tim Perkins.

It's a black and white all-ages comic.

Yeah, it exists.

It exists.

Dinosaurs.

I am going to pick

something that's maybe too recent, but I would love

to go back and experience

what it was like at

NASA

and or maybe even more so to experience what it it was like at the Soviet space program in the early days of the space race and see what that was like to just like sort of be in that facility and

be in one of those facilities and just see how everyone brainstorming and engineering shit.

A lot of that happening pre-computers or in the very, very early computing age.

I would be fascinated to see what that process was like.

Yeah, there's also a dinosaurs

video game.

Oh my god.

Wow.

yeah wow

um i guess i would go back

i don't know the 90s or something yeah 90s is a good answer i i like why i didn't get to be an adult in the 90s it'd be interesting to experience the time that i lived through that would be interesting to be an adult in the period when you were a kid yeah like what would it be like to be a to be fully grown in like 1990 yeah it's a lot of smoking indoors

man sounds good i'm in i like do it is kind of crazy to me to think that i do remember restaurants where you you could smoke at the restaurant.

It kind of seems like it was like before my time and it simply was not.

Like you could just do it.

Yeah.

Me being me going back in time as a full adult in the 1990s, knowing what I know now, and then 10 years later buying a ticket to get on United 93.

Isn't that the one that lands okay?

No,

no.

The one where they have to charge the cockpit.

Oh, that's right, supposedly.

Heather, what's your answer?

I like your answer, Weiger, because I like the idea of being in a room where they're like, I think we just need to use tape.

Yeah, like, yeah, like there, there were so many choices where it was like, well, fuck, we don't have time.

Pencils and tape, everybody.

Pencils and tape.

I do think my answer would be, I'd be way too scared to go to Vine Cake Times.

I'd be fucking terrified.

I would, I would just, I don't think I could do it.

No, I do.

I do think it would be interesting to go to.

There's not a whole lot of places I could go back.

I could go anywhere.

I do think it would be interesting to go to ancient Rome just to be like,

how

clean was it?

Is my, my most, like, my biggest curiosity is,

there are varying scales of litter in cities currently on earth, right?

Like, Tokyo is an extremely clean city.

Singapore, an extremely clean city from what I can see on TikTok.

Los Angeles, filthy fucking city.

Yeah.

You know, and I think LA is probably somewhere in the middle on cities.

I want to know if ancient Roman cities were like clean, because also,

there's not a ton of fucking plastic and boxes and shit.

So like, what would make the city dirty other than human shit?

Well, I was going to say, yeah, we do human shit is going a long way.

They wiped their asses with communal shit sponge.

That's a thing that is in Forgotten City.

Yeah.

Right.

Right.

But otherwise,

streets must have been pretty clean, right?

I don't care how clean the streets are.

If everybody's got shitty asses with other people's shit in it, nasty.

I would, one thing I would, I would just be interested in, because, you know, I'm a,

I'm not the, the, the tallest man I know, but I'm a pretty big guy.

I'm, I'm 6'1, or, you know,

about what was I, 186 centimeters.

It would be interesting because I think basically any time prior to the 20th century, I would just be like pretty much the biggest guy in any society.

Yeah.

So that'd be kind of fun to go and just be like a circus freak.

You'd be like that really tall guy from Mother 3.

Yeah.

I guess fucking huge.

Average height for men was like five foot three or something like that.

Man, that's fucking crazy.

I would have been a fucking king.

Even, even I would be like, I would have been like the tallest woman.

We would all be pretty, like, on, we would all be big.

We'd all be on the tall side.

Wow.

It's crazy to think about.

Oh, man.

Take me back.

I feel like we should shout out because you talked about Persona, Heather.

Persona is a game that has a lot of

Greek

god elements, like, you know, Hermes, Artemis, like show up in

the Persona series.

Final Fantasy series is the same sort of thing.

There's a lot of like, you know, like some of those same sort of references are used in summons.

So this is a thing that does happen.

And

it does happen in a lot of games,

even if it's just like kind of borrowed names or whatever.

But I do want to shout out a couple of more games that maybe just I played, but the Heroes of Might and Magic series used to have a lot of mythological units in them.

They would have like like those were these were these tactical

tactical strategy games,

these small skirmish battles, and then also mixed with some grand strategies, some cities building elements.

But they were really fun.

But yeah, they would have like Pegasuses in them.

And

there would be a bunch of Pegasi, I guess.

There would be a bunch of those sorts of things pulled from Greek mythology.

But another game that I played some of and I did enjoy when I was looking for Diablo clones is Titan Quest.

A Titan Quest was basically just like another Diablo, but it used

the sort of Greek pastiche.

I came up with a joke for you guys.

Yeah, go for it.

You were really excited about it when I was talking about it.

I saw you realize it.

I was like, oh, I think this is their format.

Okay.

What do you call

a horse that looks like he's just done something wrong?

I don't know.

What do you want to call him?

Pegasus.

Pretty good.

That is pretty good.

I do like it.

I like it a lot.

Good job, Heather.

Thank you.

Winged horse is cool.

Is Pegasus cooler than Unicorn?

No.

You like Unicorn more?

Unicorn's the best horse all.

Why is is unicorn the best horse?

I'm sorry.

Why is unicorn the best horse?

Why is unicorn the best horse?

Yeah, I don't think it's as good as Pegasus.

I like Pegasus Got Wings.

Well, that's because you're men.

Oh, interesting.

The unicorn is specifically like a being that

is related to the female divine.

Like, like,

the unicorn appears to maidens, guides maidens, protects maidens, and is generally hunted by men.

But it's also like a being.

There's a phrase in the book, The Last Unicorn, that I am so fixated on, which is that they're talking to a unicorn, and the unicorn's like, I don't know what regret is.

And I was like, They can talk?

Unicorns can talk.

Wow.

I didn't know about that.

I'm going to maybe have to change my answer.

Unicorns can talk.

They can grant wishes.

Wishes?

Yep.

They're like, they are gods.

They're the horse god is the unicorn, whereas Pegasus is a mount.

That's a good case.

It's a strong argument.

I do like that there's a bunch of animals that are just like, or a bunch of mythological creatures.

They're just like a bunch of animals crammed together.

Yeah.

Chimera, that's really cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like that a centaur is just a guy.

Just a guy with like a horse body.

That's pretty good.

Mermaid.

Mermaid good too.

what if you just jam a fish on the end of a woman

jam

um i have to shout out god of war 2 as my favorite god of war okay uh from uh from the earlier series god of war 3 unbelievable great game um but god of war 2 you get to kill you as with all the games you get to kill a bunch of gods but you get to like take their shit and use their stuff and like use their like abilities against them.

And I just think you get wings, you get to become fast, you get a Medusa head and stuff like that.

It rocks.

It's like it's just, it's really, really cool.

The Mega Man approach.

The Mega Man format.

It is the Mega Man form.

It ends for a reason.

It's great.

And I'm very satisfied.

I love it.

Oh, you're using this against me?

Well, now I'm going to use it.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

It's mine now.

It's mine.

Give me that.

Yeah.

Get equipped with bubble lead.

Here we go.

Bubble lead?

Is it bubble lead or bubble lead?

Well, you know, I've never heard it said aloud.

I'll have to ask Mega Man.

I'm just thinking about unicorns now and how cool they are.

There's a moment in the last unicorn, the film,

which is like a 1970s film that

a lot of the animators went forward and became Studio Ghibli.

Oh.

But this unicorn shows up to this woman and she's like in her 30s, I think.

Maybe she's 29.

And she is so upset.

She's like, how could you come to me now when I am old?

You're supposed to appear to me when I'm a young woman, when I have all the the promise, and how dare you come to me now.

And the unicorn's like, I'm sorry, I don't know anything about anything.

I'm just a fucking horse.

Yeah.

Can they have wings too, though?

I'm sure that they can, but that's sort of a corrupted modern unicorn.

Yeah.

Trying to just combine it all.

I have a t-shirt of the painting that is the unicorn and the lion with the woman in the middle.

And the unicorn's just a unicorn, no wings.

No wings.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

I guess it's nice that our lifespans are longer.

Huh?

I mean, just like, you know, back in the day, used to be the thing we were talking about earlier.

Just like people used to die so much younger.

I guess it's true.

That's the other thing.

For our age, we'd probably look so young compared to everybody.

Right.

Yeah.

Because they're not drinking any water.

They have, like, they've been out in the sun 24-7.

Like, we would look at the water.

No moisturizer.

Super tall.

Yeah.

Very healthy, young versions of old people.

Yeah.

Be confusing.

What was potable water like back then?

Probably not,

couldn't really drink water.

Well, you dip the brush in the vinegar, you wipe your butt with it, and then you drink from it.

And then you, the shit particles cut out, they kill the poison in the water.

We're saying all this, and then

you know, actually, go back going back in time.

Everyone's just like, What's up, fat ass?

Same fat as shit compared to you.

You look like a little bitch.

What the hell?

Let's do a segment.

Let's seg it up.

Segment.

Did you do that before?

I probably did.

Let's seg it up.

Let's seg it up.

Nothing inherently wrong with him, but somehow tough to hear.

Seg it up.

We're talking Greek mythology.

We're talking about games that feature them.

It's time for a pixel chart.

We're going to try to see if we can peg down

the God of War game with

the most sales.

There's eight released God of War games.

I'm not counting the collections or anything like that.

So these are all the standalone titles of the game.

So

we can.

We're just trying to guess in order?

How How are we doing this?

Yeah, I guess just like try to guess them in order.

I know there's going to be a couple you guys don't remember.

So I can

honestly provide you with the bottom three.

I can guess a bottom three.

Yeah.

Okay.

You probably at God of War for the PSP right down there at the bottom.

The second entry in the God of War PSP games, God of War, Ghost of Sparta, is number eight.

Yes, with

1.2 million units, not nothing.

Shit.

There's also God.

That's more than there were virtual boys.

Was it the subtitle God of War?

Was it Chains of Olympus?

Was that the other PSP one?

Yeah, Chains of Olympus is number six on the list at a surprisingly whopping 3.3 million units.

I'm going to also guess towards the bottom is God of War Ascension.

Yes, that's number seven with 3 million units.

So that's the bottom three.

The top five is sort of like the big five, but they're some of it.

It's interesting.

It's interesting what has happened with okay.

Working our way up from the bottom, I guess that's how we're doing this.

Sure.

I feel like, let's see, we basically are dealing with, we got, we're going to populate the rest of this list with one, two, three,

the God of War remake, and then God of War Ragnarok, right?

Those are the five games left.

Boy, I would guess God of War

3

was

number five.

You know what?

It's interesting.

It's actually number three.

Wow.

Okay.

It's number three with 7.6 million units, but you have to remember,

this is the first entry of these games on the PlayStation 3, which is now a digital library, also, right?

I forgot that God of War 3 was on PS3.

Yes.

Yes, you're right.

Okay.

So then I would put God of War 2 at number 5.

Number 2 is at number 5

with

4.2 million units.

So then I would go above that would be...

I think it's the original God of War, right?

PS2?

Yeah, number three.

Yeah, number four is the original God of War with 4.6 million units.

That's a lot.

And then, so two and one are just Ragnarok and God of War.

Yes, right?

I would say an astronomical leap up.

Yeah.

It's God of War.

Yeah, Ragnarok number two

with 15 million units.

Pretty stiff,

pretty steep jump upward.

Wow.

And then number one, 2018

with

23.5 million units.

Wow.

I was going to try to guess the year, and my dumbass was going to say 2016.

So I'm glad I didn't.

I'm glad you said it said God of War Remake.

2018.

2018.

Pretty recent.

Honestly, not that long ago.

No, not that long ago.

But like, just...

It's astounding to me the jump up.

And you have to then just imagine they added those games to PC.

So, I don't think these are necessarily counting those sales.

Yeah, but this game was so hyped, and it lived up to the amount of hype that it had that it just sold like fucking crazy.

I just clocked that you're wearing a God of War t-shirts.

I'm wearing a God of War t-shirt.

Yeah, that's right.

Fucking sharp.

Automatically appropriate.

Yeah,

I was wearing a different shirt earlier, and then I fucking spilled something on it, and then I was like, God damn it, I gotta change my fucking shirt.

I was like, I know what shirt I'm gonna wear.

I was wearing some shorts earlier, and I fucking, yeah, I was eating this into in a po-boy and spilled all over my shorts and I'm still wearing the shorts.

What,

how's the

po-boy?

Good as hell.

A little combo, a little

part fried, half-fried oysters, half fried shirts.

Is that a farmer's market po-boy?

No, this po-boy was from Lil Jewel of New Orleans in Chinatown.

It's fucking great.

Ooh.

Yeah.

Anyone ever been to Lil Jewel?

Ranch ever been to Lil Jewel?

I haven't.

Treat yourself.

Go get yourself a po-boy.

I've never had, I don't think I've ever had one like that.

That sounds good.

That sounds good.

It was delicious.

It was fucking great.

I was in heaven.

So hungry.

Yeah, me too.

Got some fucking dirty fries.

So that's so good.

God damn it.

God, it was a great, great lunch.

Shout out Molasses Boy Alan McLeod.

Had a lovely, lovely meal.

Alan McLeod

loves the God of War Games.

Loves the God of War Games.

Loves walking.

Was talking about Death Stranding too.

What a guy.

Good lot of walking in Death Stranding, dude.

What a guy.

The best.

Hey, that's this week's Get Played.

Our producers Rochelle Chen.

Ranch Yard underscore, underscore, sard.

Ranch, you streaming lately?

Yeah, I started playing Alien Isolation.

Oh, my God.

But I might move on to Silent Hill F.

I played it one time, and we'll see.

We'll see how if Alien Isolation continues.

Is it too scary?

It's too

stressful.

And everything looks the same, and I get confused.

Yeah.

I am also interested in Silent Hill F, but I'm just like, when am I going to when?

Yeah, when.

Yeah, when.

When?

The answer is never.

There's never going to get to these stuff.

It could be someday.

It might be someday.

Maybe it will.

I don't fucking know.

But here's what I'm going to do.

It is unfortunate that the scale is someday, which is not definite.

Yes.

And then never.

Yeah.

Especially as you age, you become very conscious that those are your options.

Yes, absolutely.

What are you going to do?

Twitch.tv/slash yard underscore underscore sardines.

Your podcast as well.

We should shout out.

Oh, yeah.

The D-Files,

wherever you find your podcast, we talked about ghosts.

It's a lot of fun.

Our music is by Ben Prenti, BenPruntyMusic.com.

Our art is by DuckWorgay Design, DuckWorgay.com.

Get Played Merchant, kinshipgoods.com, and GetAnimate, our sister show, is over on Patreon.

Matt, what are we watching this week?

We've made a mistake.

We've just made a mistake.

It's a colossal error.

We're watching a show called Elfin Lead, and we've made a mistake.

It's a bad show.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

The show is bad.

It is interesting because it is bad, but

there's something.

There's something.

It's not bad the way that a show is bad when it's boring.

No, it's demonic and evil, actually.

But it is a show that should not have been made by man.

No, no, no, no.

It's tough stuff.

But I think we have a lot of fun discussing it.

We are aware, sure, certainly have more than our share of things to talk about over at patreon.com/slash get played.

And look,

I may be punished for saying this.

I may have my liver eaten by a hawk or something, but I've got to say, Greek gods, y'all got played.

Holy shit, dude.

Can he do that?

Can he do that at all?

Yeah, look at him.

He's fine.

Oh, I guess he's fine.

That was a head gum podcast.