Zelensky: Ukraine needs a 'dignified peace'

Speaker 1 This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK.

Speaker 2 It's the coziest time of year on Britbox.

Speaker 1 Very cozy.

Speaker 2 That means basking in the ambience.

Speaker 6 Well, we know it wasn't an accident.

Speaker 2 And starting new traditions.

Speaker 8 What's you telling me to behave myself?

Speaker 10 Oh, shut up.

Speaker 2 Stream Brick Box original series based on best-selling novels, including Lindley and a new season of Karen Pirry.

Speaker 3 Smashy, smashy, breaky, breaky.

Speaker 2 It's all a bit warmer with Britbox. See holidays differently when you stream the best of British TV with Britbox.

Speaker 11 SackSaw Fifth is revealing the season's most wanted holiday steals.

Speaker 11 Whether you're gifting someone on your list or treating yourself to a designer score, find deals on McQueen, Valentino, Versace, Stuart Weitzman, and more at up to 70% off every day.

Speaker 11 Outshine at every event and outsmart your budget. From shimmer-ready party looks to luxe layers and cozy giftable accessories, SackSaw Fifth is your secret source for celebrating in style.

Speaker 11 Your holiday shopping mission starts now at saxofffith.com or a Saksaw Fifth store near you.

Speaker 1 This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service.

Speaker 1 I'm Keith Adams and in the early hours of Friday the 21st of November, these are our main stories.

Speaker 1 President Zelensky says he'll discuss the US proposed peace plan to end the Ukraine war with President Trump in the coming days.

Speaker 1 A diplomatic row between the US and South Africa has intensified ahead of the G20 summit this weekend. Schools have been closed in Nigeria's western Quara state after an attack by gunmen.

Speaker 1 Also in this podcast, the official advice on vaccines changes in the US, but it's controversial.

Speaker 12 To have this on a CDC website is actually pretty shocking. We're going to see a drop in vaccination rates, rates, which will cost lives.

Speaker 1 And Spain's Attorney General has been found guilty of leaking confidential information.

Speaker 1 In the last edition of the podcast, we reported that Donald Trump had introduced a new 28-point plan to end the war between Russia and Ukraine.

Speaker 1 The details of that plan have not been officially confirmed, but it's believed to call for significant concessions from Ukraine, including limits on the size of its military and the surrender of some territory to Moscow.

Speaker 1 President Zelensky has now seen the proposal. He said he'll speak to Donald Trump in the coming days.
But in his nightly address, he said that Ukraine's priorities had not changed.

Speaker 5 Since the first days of the war, we have taken one extremely simple position. Ukraine needs peace and a real peace,

Speaker 5 one that will not be broken by a third invasion, a dignified peace, so that the conditions respect our independence, our sovereignty, and the dignity of the Ukrainian people.

Speaker 5 We must ensure these very conditions.

Speaker 1 Russia occupies about 20% of Ukrainian territory, and President Zelensky has repeatedly ruled out giving up any land as part of a deal. So, what is the US strategy here?

Speaker 1 That's a question I put to the BBC State Department correspondent Tom Bateman.

Speaker 7 As this has been reported in terms of a 28-point plan that appears to have been stitched together following meetings between Mr.

Speaker 7 Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff, also including Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, and Vladimir Putin's envoy, a man called Kirill Dmitriev, who was in Miami with Steve Witkoff about three weeks ago, where they had quite extensive discussions, that this plan is now the latest terms of reference, if you like, that the White House is putting together.

Speaker 7 The White House spokeswoman, Caroline Levitt, confirmed that there there is a plan and that President Trump supported it, although she said that it was ongoing and it's still being worked on.

Speaker 7 And she was pressed quite hard on the way in which this plan appears to be heavily tilted towards Moscow.

Speaker 7 But she did also say that President Trump had become increasingly frustrated with both countries.

Speaker 7 But it appears as though they're going to try to put more pressure on the Ukrainians to shift on what have always been President Zelensky and the Europeans' red lines.

Speaker 1 The noises that we've been getting out of the US administration, though, Trump seemed to be more critical of Putin recently. Was all that noise meaningless?

Speaker 7 Well, I think you have to remember that Mr. Trump has ebbed and flowed throughout the course of the last 11 months on all of this.

Speaker 7 And there has never been this very tough concessions demanded of Russia that there have been at various points of Ukraine.

Speaker 7 There's never been the fundamental breakdown in relations between Washington and Moscow that there has been actually between Washington and Kyiv over the course of all this.

Speaker 7 We saw a moment a few weeks ago where President Trump had a phone call with Vladimir Putin. He said after that that they would hold a summit in Budapest in Hungary.

Speaker 7 This would be the second such summit after one they had in Alaska in August.

Speaker 7 It was then a phone call between Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, and Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, at which it appeared that things then broke down.

Speaker 7 And my sense from that was the Americans were putting their foot down because they felt the Russians wouldn't move and they couldn't make progress in terms of getting any concessions from the Russians.

Speaker 7 So there was sort of a block put on any high-level discussions between Washington and Russia at that point. And now suddenly we have a shift back.
What it says to me is Mr.

Speaker 7 Trump is not very interested in detail. We know that.
He tends to give his envoys a strategic objective or a goal, a deliverable. And in this one, it's just he wants an end to the war.

Speaker 7 And so I think we're seeing a kind of repetition which involves Steve Witkoff and a similar pattern we've had for quite a while, where Mr.

Speaker 7 Witkoff tends to listen to the Russian demands, then think there is progress, brief them to the president, and Mr.

Speaker 7 Trump says, Okay, you've got my backing, and then they go to the Ukrainians and realize it's not going to work.

Speaker 7 But the question is now: is there enough frustration and irritation, as it was put, frustration in terms of the way the White House has phrased it, that Mr.

Speaker 7 Trump is now just going to finally try and sort of ram this onto the Ukrainians?

Speaker 7 But that would be seen as an absolute disaster by the Europeans because they will see this as conceding the principle that you can just invade another country, not just get to keep the territory that you have occupied, but also take even more.

Speaker 1 What about Mr Zelensky then? Does he have any options now, do you think? Is there any wiggle room for Ukraine?

Speaker 7 Well the options are to keep fighting a war.

Speaker 7 What the Europeans have been trying to do at times I think privately aghast at the Trump administration's approach is to try to shore up the Ukrainians in terms of weapons supply because that is no longer coming directly from the Americans.

Speaker 7 So they've come up with this system of NATO buying American weapons and then feeding them to the Ukrainians.

Speaker 7 But you know they've been losing ground and that of course is the great risk and the calculation that Mr Zelensky has to take.

Speaker 7 Plus he's got these political problems at the moment with the corruption scandal that's erupted around him in Ukraine.

Speaker 7 If they lose American backing they have a fundamental problem and that's something that Mr Zelensky I think has always understood. But this may be now a moment where they are left with little choice.

Speaker 7 But I think we have to see how the negotiations are going to play out over the next few days.

Speaker 7 And, you know, the White House were stressing that this is still fluid and that they're talking to both sides.

Speaker 1 That was Tom Bateman talking to me.

Speaker 1 Well, one of the low points in the relationship between the US and Ukraine came at the start of the year, at that extraordinary meeting in the Oval Office, when President Trump called President Zelensky disrespectful and told him he had no cards to play in the peace talks.

Speaker 1 Three months later, in a moment described by some as a repeat of the Zelensky meeting, Mr. Trump hosted the South African president Cyril Ramaposa at the White House.

Speaker 1 And once again, he aired his grievances in front of the cameras, this time claiming black South Africans were killing large numbers of white farmers.

Speaker 13 We do allow them to take land. Nobody can take them.
And then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer. And when they kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them.
No, there is quite

Speaker 13 criminality in our country. People who do get killed, unfortunately, through criminal activity, are not only white people.
Majority of them are black people. And we have now

Speaker 1 the diplomatic row between the two countries has now intensified ahead of the G20 summit in Johannesburg this weekend. President Ramaposa is refusing to hand over the presidency of the G20 to the U.S.

Speaker 1 Chargé d'Affaires, as planned. Our BBC Africa correspondent, Mioni Jones, told my colleague Anka Desai, what's going on.

Speaker 3 The US had said a couple of weeks ago that it would not be sending any representatives to this weekend's leader summit for the G20, which is this gathering of the world's biggest economies.

Speaker 3 But at the very last minute, on Thursday evening, during a press conference, a joint press conference between the EU and South Africa, President Sir Ramaposa said he'd actually received a letter from the US suggesting that they might want to engage in some way with the summit.

Speaker 3 Now, it wasn't clear exactly in what way. It turns out that the US was proposing sending a local representative.

Speaker 3 It hasn't got an ambassador in South Africa, so it was going to send a Shargé Dafer and seven other diplomatic staff members.

Speaker 3 And they said that they wouldn't be taking part in any of the discussions of the G20. They'd just be there for the handover ceremony because the US is the next president of the G20.

Speaker 3 South Africa responded to this initially by saying that yes, they would try and accommodate this request, but then a clip surfaced showing a spokesperson for the White House accusing President Siloromaposa of running his mouth, and that is a direct quote, when he mentioned this.

Speaker 3 And so, as a response, South Africa has now said that they will not be handing over the presidency of the G20 to a Chargé d'Affaire. So it's not really clear what happens next.

Speaker 14 Okay, and this is also part of a wider spat which took place a few months ago when Sir Romposa visited Donald Trump in the White House in the Oval Office in front of the world's media.

Speaker 3 Relations between the two countries have really been deteriorating pretty fast over the past year. The U.S.

Speaker 3 used to be one of South Africa's main Western partners, but over the last year they've really fallen out.

Speaker 3 And that's because President Donald Trump has repeated widely discredited claims that there is a genocide of South Africa's white minority. He's offered them asylum.

Speaker 3 They're the only minority group who is entitled to asylum currently in the U.S. And he's also expelled South Africa's ambassador.
He's cut aid, he's imposed tariffs.

Speaker 3 South Africa, in response, has tried to remain diplomatic, tried to say that

Speaker 3 they're inviting the US to come over to South Africa and to realize that there is no white genocide here. But the recent events suggest that this relationship is not getting much better.

Speaker 14 And just also outline the optics of why it's so important, this G20 summit, but also the handover process as well.

Speaker 3 So the G20 was set up over 20 years ago and its presidency rotates every year. This is the first time that an African country is getting this presidency.

Speaker 3 So it's seen as hugely significant and so South Africa was really hoping that it could use this opportunity to champion things like cheaper loans for African countries.

Speaker 3 They wanted to champion things like climate change financing, push forward ways for which African countries could get more bang for their buck for their critical minerals.

Speaker 3 But instead, they found themselves talking increasingly about their fraud relationships with the US.

Speaker 3 And you can sense growing frustration on the part of Pretoria with the status quo and this evening's statement seems to indicate that they may be reaching their limits.

Speaker 1 Mayani Jones.

Speaker 1 President Trump has been accused of provoking political violence after a social media post in which he appeared to suggest that some Democrat members of Congress should face the death penalty for comments they made in an online video.

Speaker 1 Our North America editor Sarah Smith reports.

Speaker 15 Seditious behavior punishable by death, President Trump wrote on social media in response to a call from Democrat politicians urging the U.S. military to disobey orders that are unlawful.

Speaker 6 Our laws are clear.

Speaker 16 You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 17 You can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 16 You must refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 15 Six Democrats, who are all military veterans, released a video saying that some of the orders coming from the Trump administration are threats to the Constitution.

Speaker 18 This administration is pitting our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals against American citizens.

Speaker 19 Americans trust their military.

Speaker 16 But that trust is at risk.

Speaker 15 They have recently proposed legislation in Congress aimed at limiting the president's deployment of the National Guard in major cities like Los Angeles, Washington and Chicago.

Speaker 15 Donald Trump posted on social media saying this is really bad and dangerous to our country and in capital letters seditious behavior from traitors lock them up question mark followed by another post saying that behavior is punishable by death.

Speaker 15 Democrat leaders in Congress have said the president must delete these posts and recant his violent rhetoric before he gets someone killed.

Speaker 1 Sarah Smith in Washington, the White House press secretary Caroline Levitt was asked about President Trump's post. Here's what she said.

Speaker 20 Just to be clear, does the president want to execute members of Congress?

Speaker 17 No.

Speaker 20 Let's be clear about what the president is responding to, because many in this room want to talk about the president's response, but not what brought the president to responding in this way.

Speaker 20 You have sitting members of the United States Congress who conspired together to orchestrate a video message to members of the United States military, to active duty service members, to members of the national security apparatus, encouraging them to defy the President's lawful orders.

Speaker 1 Caroline Levitt.

Speaker 1 Schools are closed in Nigeria's western Khwara State and five other areas after gunmen attacked a church on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 On Monday, more than 20 girls were abducted from a boarding school in Kebi State to the north.

Speaker 1 The heightened concerns over insecurity in Nigeria come amid claims by President Trump that Christians are being persecuted there. The BBC's Chris Iwaka has been monitoring the story.

Speaker 8 Deadline Monday around 3 a.m. Gunmen in large numbers invaded Government Girls' Comprehensive Secondary School.
They fired sporadic shots, went went to the dormitory, and abducted 25 students.

Speaker 8 Staff and security guards tried to stop them. They were shot.
One died instantly, the other at the hospital. A resident described what happened.

Speaker 22 They went straight to the school security master's house. The youngest among them was the one who shot him.
He shot him on the chest.

Speaker 22 Then they proceeded to the girls' hostel and they shot the elderly man guarding the girls' hostel. I have never seen anything like this.
Why would someone kidnap girls as young as 11?

Speaker 8 Grips hang heavy over the homes of Mariam Galadima, not her real name, to protect her identity.

Speaker 8 Her family has suffered a multiple tragedy, one that painfully captures the human cost of the worsening insecurity gripping rural communities in Nigeria.

Speaker 23 Three devastating things happened to my family. First, they killed my father.
He is the security guard manning the school gate. I met him in his pool of blood.

Speaker 23 Then they took my daughter and also my granddaughter.

Speaker 8 Miriam's 13-year-old daughter, Meru, and 12-year-old granddaughter, Rabi, names changed for their safety, were both taken.

Speaker 8 Families are in great despair, desperate for information about their daughters. Two of the abducted girls managed to escape, but 23 others are still in captivity.

Speaker 8 On social media, the hashtag Bring Back Kevy Girls are now trending. A stark reminder of the nearly 300 Chibok schoolgirls abducted over 10 years ago.
Nearly 100 of them remain missing.

Speaker 8 Barely 24 hours after the Kirby schoolgirls' kidnap, gunmen struck again in central Nigeria.

Speaker 8 They stormed a Christ Apostolic church during an evening service, shooting some people and rounding up worshippers.

Speaker 8 A video clip believed to be from the church's live stream cameras have circulated widely online. A member of the church tells the BBC two people were killed and several others injured.

Speaker 24 It was around 6 p.m. We started hearing gunshots.
Our security guard tried to repel them, but they got into the church, opened fire, and abducted some people. There were about 30 gunmen.

Speaker 8 The church assault has triggered frustration and anger across Nigeria.

Speaker 8 Many have voiced outrage on social media over what they describe as an unrelenting wave of insecurity that continues to batter rural communities, schools, and transport routes.

Speaker 1 That was Chris Iwaka.

Speaker 1 Still to come. Who needs AI?

Speaker 25 We don't get the same sort of feeling from tapping on our smartphone as we do as the click clack of a typewriter and all these fantastic old things.

Speaker 1 Why old tech is now big money.

Speaker 26 No, it's not too soon to start holiday shopping. Ulta Beauty's early Black Friday event is happening now through November 22nd.
Shop $10 beauty minis from brands like Mac and Too Faced.

Speaker 26 Take 30% off Lancome and Touchland fragrances and body mists. With new offers dropping every week, our associates can help you find the perfect gifts.

Speaker 26 Head into Ulta Beauty today to shop our early Black Friday event, Ulta Beauty. Gifting happens here.

Speaker 17 The wait is over. The NYX Black Friday sale is on now at knix.com.
Shop early and save up to 60% off site-wide.

Speaker 17 Plus, all kinds of limited-time daily deals from the number one leak-proof brand in North America.

Speaker 17 Don't miss your chance to save big on innovative intimates like leakproof underwear, wireless bras, shapewear, and more. Everything is on sale.

Speaker 17 Millions have made the switch to Nix's revolutionary period underwear, and there's never been a better time for you to try them too.

Speaker 17 During the Black Friday sale, save up to 60% on super comfy, machine-washable, and stylish leak-proof undies.

Speaker 17 Plus, shop the best deals of of the year on NYX's best-selling assortment of wireless bras.

Speaker 17 Don't miss this chance to stock up on your NYX favorites or try something new during the NYX Black Friday event. That's knix.com.
The sale ends December 2nd and sizes will sell out. Go to NYX.com.

Speaker 17 That's KNIX.com. It's 5.23 p.m.
One of your kids is asking for a snack. Another is building a fort out of your clean laundry.

Speaker 17 And you're staring at a half-empty fridge and thinking, what are we even going to eat tonight? Or you could just hello fresh it.

Speaker 17 With over 80 recipes to choose from every week, including kid-friendly ones, even for picky eaters, you'll get fresh ingredients and easy step-by-step recipes delivered right to your door.

Speaker 17 No last-minute grocery runs. No, what do we even have fridge staring? And the best part, you're in total control.
Skip a week, pause any time, pick what works for you. It's dinner on your terms.

Speaker 17 The kids can even help you cook. Yeah, it's gonna be messy, but somehow they tend to eat the vegetables they made themselves.
Try HelloFresh today and get 50% off the first box with free shipping.

Speaker 17 Go to hellofresh.ca and use promo code yum50. That's hellofresh.ca promo code yum50.
HelloFresh.ca, HelloFresh, Canada's number one meal kit delivery service.

Speaker 6 Owning a home is full of surprises. Some wonderful, some...

Speaker 6 Not so much. And when something breaks, it can feel like the whole day unravels.
That's why HomeServe exists.

Speaker 6 For as little as $4.99 a month, you'll always have someone to call, a trusted professional ready to help, bringing peace of mind to 4.5 million homeowners nationwide.

Speaker 6 For plans starting at just $4.99 a month, go to homeeserve.com. That's homeserve.com.
Not available everywhere. Most plans range between $4.99 to $11.99 a month, your first year.

Speaker 6 Terms apply on covered repairs.

Speaker 1 An edit on the website of the U.S. Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention, the CDC, has sparked concern that Donald Trump's health secretary, Robert F.

Speaker 1 Kennedy Jr., is spreading vaccine misinformation through government channels.

Speaker 1 The Public Health Agency's site previously said that studies showed there was no link between vaccines and developing autism. This has changed to say that studies haven't ruled it out.

Speaker 1 Sources at the CDC told the BBC's US partner, CBS News, that the edits were ordered by political appointees at the US Department of Health. Dr.

Speaker 1 Fiona Havers worked for the CDC, leading the team that collects COVID-19 and other infectious diseases data. She resigned in June in protest at Mr.
Kennedy's order to change vaccine recommendations.

Speaker 1 Dr. Havers expressed her fears about the CDC's new language.

Speaker 12 To have this on a CDC website is actually pretty shocking.

Speaker 12 What we do know is that routine immunizations are safe, they're effective, and they're the best tools we have for keeping both adults and children healthy. And RFK Jr.

Speaker 12 forcing CDC to put this kind of information on the website is going to further scare parents, scare people, and we're going to see a drop in vaccination rates, which will cost lives.

Speaker 1 Our North America correspondent, Sean Dilley, says that one Republican isn't comfortable with what's happened.

Speaker 27 Interestingly, there is still the heading, despite its new position, which flies in the face of all medical and scientific studies on the topic, but it still says there is no link between autism and the vaccines.

Speaker 27 And the website explains that's because there was a deal done between essentially Bill Cassidy. He's a medical doctor.
He's a senator from Louisiana and he heads Senate's health committee.

Speaker 27 And he has tweeted afterwards about the change in the position, saying that any statement to the contrary in relation to vaccines being essentially not linked actively puts the lives of Americans in essentially at greater health risk.

Speaker 1 And this revised language is quite strong, isn't it? It's quite confusing, accusing health authorities of ignoring some research and and suggesting a reassessment.

Speaker 27 Yeah, it kind of echoes very closely the health secretary Robert Kennedy Jr.'s words. In the past, he said he has no issues with vaccines, but he's certainly a sceptic.
That can't really be denied.

Speaker 27 So, you know, it's a complete 180 on where they were before.

Speaker 27 So, broadly speaking, the major study that would sort of have backed up the new position was from 1998 in relation to a link between vaccines and autism, but that was withdrawn after it was discredited.

Speaker 27 So, the CDC had previously relied on another study that it performed itself from 2013 showing that there was no link.

Speaker 27 The World Health Organization says that there is no link, and one of the spokespeople, sort of questioning the change in advice, had pointed to 40 separate bits of research showing there is no link.

Speaker 27 And obviously, Bill Cassidy, that medical doctor from the Senate Health Committee, absolutely sort of stark language where he's saying that it directly puts the health of Americans Americans at risk.

Speaker 1 Sean Dilley.

Speaker 1 Spain's Attorney General has been found guilty of leaking confidential information about the boyfriend of a leading politician.

Speaker 1 Alvaro Garcia Ortiz has been banned from his post for two years and fined $8,000. The case has divided Spain along political lines.
Our correspondent, Guy Hedgeco, filed this report from Madrid.

Speaker 10 This is unprecedented in that an attorney general had never gone on trial before, let alone been convicted, So that is significant.

Speaker 10 But Alvaro Garcia Ortiz was accused of leaking this information regarding the tax status of Alberto Gonzalez Amador, the boyfriend of a senior conservative Madrid politician, Isabel Diaz Ayuso.

Speaker 10 And throughout the trial, Alvaro Garcia Ortiz denied that he had been the source of a leak to the press regarding this tax case. And yet he has been found guilty of it.

Speaker 10 He insisted that there was no evidence directly linking him to this. All the evidence was circumstantial.
And yet he has been convicted.

Speaker 10 So this is seen as a significant case, partly because of what it means for the Attorney General having to stand out. But obviously it also affects the Prime Minister as well.

Speaker 10 And Pedro Sanchez has been under quite a lot of pressure already in recent months, partly because of other judicial cases against people close to him.

Speaker 10 His brother is going on trial for alleged influence peddling. And there are a number of other investigations affecting him and his party as well.
So this is very bad news for the Prime Minister.

Speaker 4 The basic qualifying period will increase from five years years to ten, and new, tougher conditions will be required, including paying tax in the form of national insurance for at least three years, having a clean criminal record, and speaking English to a high standard.

Speaker 4 That 10-year wait could be reduced under these proposals if, for example, you work at a senior level in public services like the NHS, you're on a global talent visa, or if you pay higher rates of tax.

Speaker 4 But the 10 years could also be delayed by up to another 10 years if migrants have claimed benefits.

Speaker 4 The Home Secretary said the system would change settlement from being quick and automatic to one that requires contribution and integration.

Speaker 28 We have achieved cohesion because different communities have integrated, retaining their distinction within a single pluralistic whole.

Speaker 28 This makes demands of those already here to remain open to newer arrivals, but more than that, it demands something of those arriving.

Speaker 28 To settle in this country forever is not a right, but a privilege, and it must be earned.

Speaker 4 Crucially, this will apply not just to those arriving in future, but those already here who don't yet have settled status.

Speaker 4 There will be questions around fairness, particularly for those who came to the UK under the low-skilled health and care visa after 2021 and expected to qualify for permanent status as soon as next year.

Speaker 4 They are singled out and will have to wait 15 years for the chance to apply for settlement.

Speaker 4 But Miss Mahmood's argument is one of necessity, that divisions in the country have been fuelled by a pace and scale of migration that is putting pressure on communities and it needs tackling.

Speaker 1 Harry Farley reporting.

Speaker 1 Now for a touch of nostalgia. In today's increasingly digital world, there seems to be a growing interest in items from a simpler analogue age.

Speaker 1 Think record players, typewriters, film cameras, old computers, early digital watches and some of those first chunky mobile phones. They're all fetching good money online and at auction.

Speaker 1 Kayleigh Davis, a collectible specialist from the online auction house AuctionNet, has been telling us about the appeal of yesterday's gadgets.

Speaker 25 It's a trend we're seeing across all sorts of collectibles, as you mentioned.

Speaker 25 We're seeing people want to collect vinyl records, people are even turning back to VHS tapes because we're in this age, this digital age and we don't get the same sort of feeling from tapping on our smartphone as we do as the click clack of a typewriter and all these fantastic old things.

Speaker 25 Your bog standard typewriter isn't going to make a great deal of money but there are some really interesting quirky curiosities, alternate layouts of keyboards and unusual models.

Speaker 25 We sold one last year for £29,000

Speaker 25 because it's just an unusual model and people want, it gives you a glimpse of an alternate reality where we've never had the quality keyboard and we have these bizarre layouts and it's this intersection between collectors who love tech, collectors who love design and collectors who love scientific instruments.

Speaker 25 So although it sounds quite niche, there's quite a broad collecting market for that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 Kayleigh Davis, I mean, that old stuff, I have to agree, it just looks a lot cooler, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 And that's all from us for now. But there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast Podcast later.
If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email.

Speaker 1 The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X, BBC World Service, using the hashtag GlobalNewsPod.

Speaker 1 This edition was mixed by Masood Ibrahim Hill and produced by Peter Goffin and Wendy Urquhart. The editor is Karen Martin.
I'm Keith Adams. Until the next time, goodbye.

Speaker 21 It's time your hard-earned money works harder for you. With the Wealthfront Cash Account, your uninvested cash earns a 3.5% APY, which is higher than the average savings rate.

Speaker 21 No account fees, no minimums, and free instant withdrawals to eligible accounts anytime. Join over a million people who trust Wealthfront to build wealth at wealthfront.com.

Speaker 19 Cash account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC, member FINRA SIPC, and is not a bank. APY on deposits as of November 7th, 2025, is representative, subject to change, and requires no minimum.

Speaker 19 Funds are swept to program banks where they earn the variable APY.