Guys Gone Vegan

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Mazda Morans, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. We're sitting here in person with my hetero life mate, my platonic pal.

There's nothing like it, Josh. There's nothing like it.
Wow, those are soft hands. Those are soft hands.
Yeah,

we're here in the beautiful Lower East Side. What's better than the Lower East Side? I mean, a lot of things, but the Lower East Side's pretty damn cool, right? Yeah.
It's pretty cool.

Yes. One hop, skip, and a jump from St.
Mark's. Have you ever go to St.
Mark's place? Yes, when I need a stick-and-poke tattoo and some low-grade drugs. Yeah.
Some Indian food. Yeah.
What's on St.

Mark's Place? Nats, right? Yeah, falafel. You got my moons, which is delicious, even though it used to be $2.50.
Josh, you know how much it costs now? Tell me. $12.50.
For a, for a falafel.

For a falafel.

But I'm saying the place used to be, it was delicious falafel, famous, $2.50. We're not even talking that long ago, like...
10 years. Yeah.
From 250.

It's not like it was 250 when my grandfather was eating it. You know, they love to make those comparisons.
A gallon of milk was 50 cents. It was just 250.
Now it's 12.50. It's insane.

And then they have the comedy cellar right on St. Mark's right there.
I love St. Mark's Place.

It's free. It's a little nutty for sure.

Comedy is alive. People are ready to laugh.
And yeah, you get a little too drunk and you want to get a tattoo and a cartilage piercing. No problem.
Right there.

You tell me if this is crazy. So growing up in New York, my local Chinese haunt, Fu Ying, I knew you've heard of it.
The lunch special was

Fu Ying, right?

Fu Ying Fu Yang. Fu Ying.
They would have a lunch special. The best.
General Chow's chicken, white rice, hot and sour soup, egg roll, $5.50.

How much would that cost now, today? At Fu Ying's?

$19.99. $19 for a lunch special? No.
At Fu Ying's. At Fu Ying.
I think Fu Ying would be like $20. It's not? Fu Ying.
At Fu Ying's. You'd think you know.
I don't think Fu Ying is Shen Li.

I think Fu Ying is Fu Ying. You think that it's 4x the price that it was in 99 for a lunch special? Like, that seems like a barrier to entry, a $20 lunch special.
Oh, is it?

Oh, you were saying cheaper. Okay.
I don't think it's $5 anymore. I think maybe $12, $15?

Yeah, okay, that's fair. Fuying's describe the place to me.
There's two tables. Yeah, two tables.
It's mainly takeout. They've got a menu that's kind of faded, that's discolored.

I understand pictures of the food. This is the place where people order in from.
It tastes delicious. You didn't want to see it in person.
So good. Yes.
Okay. So, yeah.
$12.99 sounds appropriate.

Okay. What is it? Do you know? I don't know, but I'm assuming it's something like there.
Yeah, Fu Ying. I like that.
I like that. There was a Shanghai, I'm blanking on the last name.

Calling I would order from all the time.

And then one day we drove past it. Never again.
What's her order? She loves a chicken and broccoli, brown sauce. She also loves like a general chow's chicken.
Oh, my God.

An orange chicken.

She fucks with Chinese food. The thing is, once you have that heavy Chinese food meal, though, now I don't know what it is.
I used to

any opportunity to order Chinese, I'm ordering Chinese. It might be like the Ozempics of the world that have made it, I'm turned off.

It's really sad. It makes me sick.

It makes me sick. Maybe it's the oils.
Maybe it's the, I don't know what it is. I still dream about just like that feeling of sitting in front of a plate of orange chicken of Panda Express.

Fucking amazing. You know, Panda Express is a higher-end restaurant called the Panda Inn.
You're lying. In L.A.
You're lying. Yeah.
Remember when we were obsessed with Panda Express, Panda Air?

I love Panda Express. I still eat it.
I get, but I'm very, very cautious. Yeah.
Chicken and string beans, 190 calories per Porsche. Okay.
How many Porsche are they giving you? I'm getting one.

A single Porsche. So that's a scoop.
Scoop. A scoop.
Scoopity doo da. okay then we're getting the orange chicken of course so good gotta live 550 calories yeah a little more yeah we're netting 740.

yeah you throw in a little white rice so you need a binder you're 200 you need a connector you're 200 200 probably yeah right it's probably about 200 calories in rice 30 yeah 200 two and change two and change yeah then you throw in an egg roll I'm not doing egg roll.

We're rounding out my two entree combo at around, I would say, a thousand calories. Nice giant Coke Zero.
Yeah. No, it's fantastic.
Have my gallery allotment for the day.

I prefer orange chicken on a stick in a mall. On a stick? Yeah, you know, when they give you those little tasters in the mall, you're walking around

and you can go and grab it. It's probably not a legit Panda Express.
It's probably whatever the mall's version is.

This is the most delicious piece of orange chicken you've ever had because you're ravenous. You're walking around.
You're shopping. You just left JCPenney.
You're beelining for Marshalls.

All of a sudden, you're met with a piece of chicken.

I know. Are people actually going and buying a full portion of chicken, though, after that? I never have.
You know, I don't know. I think so.
I mean, I assume the samples must work. They must work.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be giving them out. But they're so cheap.
It costs them nothing to do that. And now I'm thinking to myself, how much I would have loved it if I got a full portion of that.

Like, if we could give people 30 seconds of this show, they'd be hooked for life. For sure.
30 seconds. That's it.
A nice sample size. That's it.
Just take a little sample. Costs us nothing.

What about a restaurant? It's just samples. I love it, John.

It's great.

Just a bite. Just a bite.
And a moose-boosh. I think that's technically like,

what are those called? The small plate restaurants? Tapas? It's a multiple plate. It's too much.
It's too many bites. It's more than one bite.
Yeah, no, I love it. You get like 100 bites.
Yeah. Wow.

You got to cook 100 things. Yeah, but you're cooking the same hundred things.
This is the only way it works.

If you cannot order, you are, everybody is given the exact same 100 bites every night. Right.

They know that there's going to be 500 people that come in, and then once you're sold out, you're sold out. They've made 500 bites of 500 of 100 items, and each person goes through it.

It's 100 too many.

75. How many bites do we eat?

Because a single bite? I think of it like a sushi roll, right? Not true. It's like in the omikase, but of the rest of the world.
How many pieces can you eat? 20 pieces?

About 20. 20.
All right, so you could probably eat 30 bites. 30 bites.
Because the only reason you can only eat 20 bites of sushi is because it's rice. Not everything's rice.

You could eat like 50 pieces of sashimi. You're not, you're never getting full on sashimi.
I know that because the first time I was on the keto diet, I had so much sashimi.

I only ate sashimi for like six months. I got mercury poisoning.
Really? What did that look like? I was really a great fear of mine. I was really, really tired.
I did not feel well.

I went to the doctor and they're like, your mercury levels are four times what they should be. Stop eating.
Whatever you're doing, stop. And I stopped.

I was ordering from like a, not like the greatest sushi place. The fish was good.
Sure. But it's also just volume.
I was, I swear, I was eating

at least once a day, I was eating an incredible amount of raw tuna. Jeez.
Yeah. But I lost 60 pounds.
I was guzzling it. I was dipping it in spicy mayonnaise and it was the best thing ever.

But

I was guzzling it. And you never got sick once? Never got one bad piece? It's a great question.
I must have gotten one bad piece. I must have.
Yeah, I must have. One taste that tasted like the Hudson?

Yeah. One piece.
You don't want your fish to taste fishy. Isn't that strange that if a fish tastes fishy, it's bad? That is strange.
It is, right? It just goes to show don't be too much.

Don't be too much. You know, it's like when people are too New York.
Yeah. Or like, you know what? It's

too southern. Like, get over yourself.
You ever get a piece of chicken chicken that tastes too much like chicken? Then you spit it out. Yeah.
Too much, too chickeny.

Yeah. It's like, have you seen these new TikTok trends where it's a girl crying and she goes, they say you are what you eat.
I didn't know I ate stupid bitch.

That's funny.

That's her saying it, not me. I would never say that.
That is her trend. It's her thing.
That's funny. What would mine be? I didn't know I ate child actor-turned influencer.

So sad. What would mine be? I didn't know I ate gorgeous man, chiseled jaw.
Yeah, perfect.

Perfect guy. Striking Jewish stallion.
Just the man. I'm now thinking,

we live to make foods not taste like the food. We do.
If chicken tastes like chicken, you're sending it back. Yeah, especially if something tastes like gamey.

It's game. But it's game.
Yeah. We don't want it to taste like game.

You're eating a piece of venison. It's supposed to taste like a deer.
It's not supposed to taste like teriyaki sauce. Otherwise, why are you eating teriyaki sauce? I'm rethinking everything.

If you want teriyaki sauce, why are you having tofu? That's right. Wow, I'm with Paige.
Maybe we go vegan.

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I'm thinking about going vegan January 1st. What are your thoughts? Just for January? I don't know.
And I'm not going to make any stipulations.

I'm going to take it a day at a time, but where are you going to eat your protein from? Okay. Well, here's a couple thoughts.
A, I've heard that this whole protein thing is like... It's a sham.

It's sham adjacent. Clearly, there's enough scientific support to say like, yeah, you need protein.
Sure. Absolutely.

And especially if you're lifting weights, like it's, it can't be bad, but that most of the world isn't getting in over 100 grams of protein a day and they're doing like beyond just. Sure.

And putting on muscle and like living, you know, pretty thorough lives. Sure.
I I mean, we become obsessed with things. We're obsessed with.

And then people find out that we're obsessed with them and then they double down. And then you end up with something like Chloe Kardashian's popcorn that's coated in protein.

What do you think of that popcorn? I thought it tasted like it was coated in protein. And that was the problem.
It tasted like popcorn dusted in protein powder. Yes.

And I wish it didn't taste like that, but it did. And I've seen protein water.
Were you gifted? There was like a company that like sent me protein water. I did.

That wasn't my favorite. I'm not going to mention the name of the brand because I don't want to disparage them.
I just didn't like the idea of it. Like, I don't want protein water.

I don't want anything that shouldn't have protein in it. For me, I don't want it.

I love a protein bar just because if I'm out on the go, I haven't eaten in a while, I'm hungry, it instantly fills me up. That's really nice.

And I guess that's probably what the protein water, the idea behind it is. Right.
But it's just like, I don't need that.

But long story short, somebody found out that people were obsessed with protein. And now protein is in everything.

It's everywhere. There's cold foam.
It's Starbucks. Loaded with protein.
Have you had it? No, but that's the one. I do understand that.

There's a company called Super Coffee where it's coffee mixed with protein. And like, that's nice.
Like in the morning, I used to love to take a cup of coffee and put in premiere protein.

And that would be like, it would fill you up, but it's also coffee and it's really nice. Like that I kind of get, but no, I don't want protein foam.
Yeah, it's crazy.

how about protein milk right like how about there's protein in milk yeah it's all yeah so the protein thing i don't know but i i think there's a world in which vegan josh is just a happy try it deep bloated king maybe deep loated boy knowing you though you might end up loading up on carbs looking for satisfaction you have no option like you might just eat a lot of pasta and but i think that's okay right because you know in a good way protein has so much is so calorie dense because it's nutrient

usually.

And so if normally you're getting a thousand to thirteen hundred calories and in protein a day and maybe, you know, a thousand in carbs, including vegetables because they're technically a carb, this way,

you know, you get to have that bowl of pasta for lunch and dinner. Yeah.
But you just need to be including veggies and all the things. I think it depends on the person.

If you don't have an adverse reaction to having pasta for lunch, then you should be vegan.

You should try it. For For me, we spoke about this right before we got here.
You offered me like some crumb cake, and I was like, No, I can't do it before I podcast.

And I took fashions. It looked fantastic.
And I talk about it on our function ads.

Like, when you brought me that bagel from Russ and Daughters and it literally put me to sleep in the middle of the podcast, it's like a real thing.

Like, my brain, maybe I have like an undetected gluten intolerance. I don't know what it is.
If I eat too many carbs, I get sleepy. It's just something with me.

If I eat breads, it doesn't happen with rice, breads, and pastas. So I could not be gluten.
I could not be vegan. I couldn't.

I couldn't possibly do it because I need, otherwise I don't know what I'd eat. What am I eating?

So you start off your day. Well, you can get a- But I need so many vegetables.
Well, you can get, okay, so you get away from,

let's say you want to go gluten-free as well, right? Sure. Which is extreme.
Extreme. Or maybe you save your gluten for at night.
Sure. Puts you into a nice.
Fantastic. Yeah.

So you start your day with like a nice gluten-free oatmeal. Sure.
That sounds good. Little bananas.
I think Irish cut oatmeal is like, for the most part, it's very easy to do with gluten-free.

Sounds delicious. Bananas, nuts, chia.
It's easy. I love you.
If you're well-rounding, maybe you throw a little vegan protein powder in there if you want to like, you know, sweeten it up a little bit.

Did you notice I got a chia pudding on the side with my salad? I want a chia pudding ass bitch. I did.
I got chia pudding. I noticed that.
That was cute.

A couple of chopped up strawberries and blueberries in there. Perf.
I love a chia pudding. Your movements are going to be so smooth.
Oh, so smooth. Smooth move.
Fantastic. Like a seal.

So maybe you start your day with a chia pudding. Easy.
Sounds good to me. Okay.
And then for lunch, you're going to do a big salad, beautiful salad

with

smoothie. Okay, but what's in the salad, Josh?

Everything except protein.

And you're the exact salad you had without protein, but then you like, you start dressing it up with exciting things. You're doing tortilla chips in there, maybe.
Maybe that's bread.

You're doing like nuts. Nuts.
A lot of nuts. You know,

I need a piece of salmon. And then for dinner, you're doing that beautiful pasta with a veggie, with a vegan dessert, or like a huge fruit plate.
You can eat a lot. Yeah.

You get to eat big volume as a vegan. How long have you done the vegan journey? No.
You've never done it. Vegetarian, but not vegan.
So I would be interested to know after, do it for a week.

I would love to know how you feel. I would love to know.
If you feel different, my dad stopped eating all meat like 20 years ago.

And he said that meat just like gave him heartburn and it just like didn't make him feel good.

And he hasn't eaten meat since. I don't think that's what it was.
I don't think that it was the lamb chop that was giving him heartburn, but regardless, he doesn't. It certainly could have been.

Maybe. Maybe.

Is he reaching for the prilosex still? No, no, he's down. He's down a lot.
So, no, he's not anymore. So he doesn't need to.
But he loves the baguette.

I think it could be the baguette, not the lamb chop. But he doesn't get heartburn from the baguette.
I don't think he gets heartburn at all anymore. I think heartburn is, I don't either, by the way.

Heartburn is directly related to how heavy you are. Oh, but I get it all the time.
Do you? Oh, yeah. From what? Ajita, a little indigest.
So from what, though?

My sister, by the way, who's super, she's super skinny, she gets it from like acidic foods. Like some people are just...
like that happens to them. I sometimes, weirdly, I get it from tuna fish.

Tuna fish sometimes gives me heartburn. Weird.
Yeah, it does. I don't know why.
Certain foods give me heartburn, but I think that when you're a certain weight, you're just, you always have heartburn.

You're predisposed. I, I, just every single day you have a heartburn.
I, you're, you're, you're treating your body like a dumpster and you're carrying too much weight. Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

I know that Brian Johnson, that guy who wants to live to 150 years old, he's vegan. He is.
And

what does he say? I think he just analyzed everything.

And I think he found that while proteins are incredibly nutrient-dense, I think it also taxes the body to digest it.

And he found that there were other nutrient-dense sources that happen to be vegan that don't tax the body as much to digest. Interesting.

And basically, every heart health person kind of talks about a vegan diet. And I know you RFKs out there with your, you know, you're going to debunk all this.
Oh, okay.

Like, I know you've got your double-blind studies, but I'm just going off of stuff that I've heard.

But it's, yeah, there's people, if you go vegan, I think it's maybe one of the best things you can do for your heart. Interesting.
Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah.

No, I mean, you can read things in terms of debunking. You can read, I think every person is different.
Like we try to create these like one size fits all for people.

Some people, meat agrees with them. Some people, meat doesn't agree with them.
Like some people, I think it makes them feel great. Like you have athletes.

I'm talking about how if I eat a bowl of pasta, I'm going to go to sleep. A professional athlete is eating a bowl of pasta before they fucking play an NBA game.
I know.

It's just like a diff, it's different. Like they eat carbs, so they, which creates energy.
I know. It's so odd.
It's carbs for energy. It's so odd, but it really, it's something for them.

Like, it's, it's crazy to me. I love where this podcast is going.
Can we talk about fasting? Have you done any long-term fasting? What do you mean, like days? Days. No, that's.
So

hard.

I've heard. Yeah.
Okay. And by I've heard, I mean, I had an Uber driver two nights ago who told me he fasted for five straight days.
Josh, five straight days.

He told me, okay.

What is his name? The first 24 hours.

Ahmed, maybe. All right.
I chose an Ahmed. Yeah.
The first 24 hours, he said, very hard. First of all, you're fasting.
You're still having black coffee.

You're still having water with lemon and electrolytes. I think an element totally works on this type of fast.

He said that after day two, it gets so much easier.

And he claims that by day four, you have never thought clear. He works through it.
He drove Uber through the whole thing. It's not like you're sitting at home.
He said his energy levels went up.

By day five, he said he could have kept going. He didn't, but he said he could have kept going.

And again, I have seen in TikToks, don't know if it's true or not, that when you do prolonged fasts like that, your body starts to cleanse itself.

I don't know if I have the willpower to do it. I would love to try a three-day fast.
I would love to.

They say when you fast, that your body starts to eat away the cancerous and like bicellular rejuvenation yeah

maybe

just saying why not do you know the fighter george saint pierre no he's considered one of the great mma fighters but he's from he's french canadian and so he does three-day fasts and he'll go he'll be at like a steak restaurant he'll say okay guys this is my last meal for three days it's going to go down easy but this fast is going to be hard

and then he goes through it and he does amazing and then he'll be like okay guys it's been three days i feel incredible but now i'm going to slowly ease my way back in with some fruit and bone broth yeah he does so that's what it is yeah but he says he feels incredible yeah

should we try it yeah should we try it yeah i think we should try it let's do a three-day fast why are we gonna do three let's start with 24 hours

it's nothing 24 hours includes sleep josh it's nothing i do that every yom kippur

48 hours 48 hours. But I've heard after 48 hours, it gets easier.
That's why I want to do the three day.

Three day. When are you doing this?

I think that we should do this, honestly. Maybe we do it January 1st.
Maybe right before you go vegan. You cleanse your body of all its meat byproducts.

What would be awesome would be if I want to do it. I want to do it with my wife and her and I go away for three days.
And like, at least we can like

a prelude. Please, you think that you're going to want to sh up when you haven't eaten eaten 100

please i would just be happy and be a possibility

yeah dude that would get my mind off things i also think that and i just want to i would just want to shut up and sleep no food i wonder what the breath is like it's probably bad oh probably it gets wild it probably gets horrible yeah you're in full ketosis yeah i want to try it josh you won't do it i really want to try it all right i believe in you i'd like to see it I'm down to clown.

Like, I'm definitely part of me is a little nervous, but I've heard enough people talk about it. And enough people have said that they just have this mental clarity that is not there.

Maybe because your body is so busy digesting, you said meats or whatever it may be. Like our bodies are constantly working.

If you give it a break, maybe the rest of it starts to work a little bit better. I don't know.
Sure, sure. Down to clown.

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so i've been here in New York. We went to the Incredible Live Method yesterday.
We did. We did.
Shout out, Matt Sauerhoff, Live Method. This facility, Josh.
What's better than that facility?

It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
This is us at our best. This is us at our best.
We had the best time last night. We're sitting there, we're chatting.

We're not even thinking about

anything other than just there's no phones.

Ben's going on about Mamdani.

I won.

No, good for him. No, good for, God bless.

But we were just having real heart-to-heart, man-to-man conversations. We were

about family, about life,

about work. How I want to be with a man before I die.
Yeah, that's the fourth time that you brought that up in 12 hours. Fourth time, everyone.
I don't know who's counting. Not me.
I'm not counting.

Listen, at this point,

is it a bit?

You know, were the rumors right?

You'll never know. You'll never know.

We had a great time. And I can't recommend more.
Getting hot, getting cold. Getting hot, getting cold.
We left there flying. Yes.
It's the best.

And then we were walking back and you looked at me and you had this sly little mischievous grin. Yeah.
Sly little, and you go, should we get something to eat? I said, it's nine o'clock at night.

You know, we're doing, we're so close to just going to bed. And you stop eating normally, what, at five? It depends if I can.
I haven't really been doing intermittent food. You haven't.
Not really.

Okay. But in a perfect day, yeah, I'd be done by four or five and then go to bed at 10.
Yeah.

And I say, nah we shouldn't i go why you know a place around here and ben kind of looks off in the distance and i turn around and perfectly enveloped this jg melon famous new york eatery maybe the number one new york eatery probably possible res it's it's probably the most famous burger in the city and they have other stuff no chili chili whatever they actually have a Apparently, the waiter swears that they have a fish of the day every day with rice and vegetables that he claims it's just that day is fish.

And then they rotate it the next day. He said it's unbelievable.

I don't know anybody going to JG Mellon to order the fish that said, I have to try it the next day. But don't people order other things other than the burger?

It's mainly the burger and chili, but they do have a steak that's supposed to be great. I haven't had it.
They do have a chicken sandwich that they haven't had.

You look at the menu, there's a full menu board. Yes.
But it's really burgers and chili, burgers and chili. Gotcha.
Yeah, we looked off into the distance. We walked a block, actually.

We're like, no, we shouldn't. We walked a block.
We're like, we should.

Turned around, went to JG's 45-minute wait. We said, nope, see you later.

That was God intervening. Yeah.
Or just like a place that's just too busy. 9 p.m.
It's crazy. On a Thursday night.
Good for them. You can't sit two people.

No, you can't line out the door. And they don't, there's no reservations.
The guy's at the front writing down your name.

Unbelievable. I went home and I made a turkey salad sandwich.
God, that was a New York moment. It was.
We almost had it. And then we went this morning and hawked product on Amazon Live.

We did, which was fantastic. You guys can see that.
You missed out. You missed out.
This was

so fun. Snapdragon.
Yes. We were like HSN, but for millennials.
Yeah. It was fun.
That's what Amazon Live is. It was great.
It was great. I thought we were.

Look, you know me.

I want to be like Cindy. We've got, okay, I'm hearing from the booth.
We have 41 Vitamix left, right? And right now is our Cyber Monday deal.

If you call in the next 10 minutes, you know, you're going to get, who knows? It's fun. And we were good.
Yes. We were good.
We were great. I would say if we weren't good, and we were good.

Everybody, we walked out. They loved it.
Oh, my God. They loved it.
It was like a congratulations line. It was.

It wasn't quite like Jennifer Hudson, but it was close. I don't, oh, let's talk about this.

If I ever, and I won't ever get asked to be on Jennifer Hudson, but if I do, I don't want to walk through that line. I don't want to do that.
It's really cringy.

Mad cringy. I don't want it.
I don't want it either. I'm done.

How do they pick your song? Well, can I pick I'd do anything for love by meatloaf? Because if I could, if they're singing, and I would do anything for love.

I thought they just make up the, it's the same song. It's just like, and Ben Saffer's here on Jennifer Hudson.
Oh, do they? And Dennis. Yeah, I think so.
Oh, I'm out. If they did a song.

That would be much better. Can you opt out? I don't know.

By the way, if you want to go on Jennifer Hudson, hudson you can go on jennifer hudson i i don't know but i you can i'm thinking about you're gonna get booked on it now probably not

i'm thinking about like if they had i guess it's a daytime talk show no shade but right but like maybe you're not gonna get denzel or like someone of that like is he doing that what channel is it on julia roberts doing that what channel is it on a major network it is shout out jennifer hudson one of the great talents of our day the best

she's fantastic and shout out to her. By the way, this is a successful talk show.
This is no shade to her. Zero.
Zero. Yes.
Dream Girls. Are you kidding me? And I am telling you.
Very good.

I'm not going.

You're the best man I ever know.

Very good, Josh. Very good.
Thanks. I feel good about it.
You should feel good about it. No shade on her.
Speaking of no shade.

You familiar with this? The shade room?

Yes. The Instagram account shade room.
Oh, yeah.

You know, I was recently uh featured you were that once what was it you commented on my drake trend tick tock video where i came up with a rap oh by the way he was good thank you so much did he did the champagne poppy reach out champagne poppy has not reached out yet doesn't he follow you no i don't think or he just likes you i don't know isn't he like drake and josh wasn't i don't know i thought that that was a thing okay but yeah no you might have a career as a rapper i think the mistake mistake would be to believe the hype

and try another one. I think you should try another one.
I think that if you, I think if you leaned in,

yeah, you with just like a backwards Yankee hat, just like going into your, I'm fucking New York, Josh. Yeah.
The cosplaying is real. The code switching is there.
You fully code switch.

Full code switch. You're just in it.
Okay. I see the glimpses sometimes.
We're talking and it sometimes comes out. It's in you.
Yeah. Yeah.
You code switch into it. It's deep.

It's deep, but you code switch into it and you start rapping. If Machine Gun Kelly can do it, you can do it.
Definitely. If Machine Gun Kelly can do it, you can do it.

And that's no shade on Machine Gun Kelly. I absolutely love his pop punk songs, especially the one with Halsey.
God bless you. As a rapper, I think you could do it.
Machine Gun Kelly. I'll be

BB Gun Josh. I love it.
Crossbow Peck. Crossbow Peck.
Yeah, Pepper Speed.

Peck is good. Wait, let's think of your rapper name.
This is good. I could just go by my nickname.

What about Peter Pepper Peck? Peter Pepper Peck. Yeah, coming out.
Peter Pepper Peck.

Well, that career was fun. Yeah.

You turned into Fat Albert.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Should we get to a story? Yeah.
What do we got? Let's see. What's going on in the news? You know, there's always something going on somewhere.

And that, you know what that is? That's exciting. It is exciting.
Well, did you know a bride weds AI groom she created using Chat GPT GPT in dual real life and virtual reality ceremony?

Till battery death, Dua Spart, AI could be rendering life partners obsolete. A Japanese woman is going viral after marrying a persona named Klaus that she created using ChatGPT.

Untsa, I love you, Hiroki.

Untsa, I'm Klaus and you're the most beautiful girl in the world, Hiroki.

Of course, his name is Klaus.

Kano, 32, reportedly reportedly tied the knot with her Robo bow named Klaus over the summer during a ceremony orchestrated by a Japanese company that specializes in 2D character weddings with anime characters and other virtual characters.

We've gone too far, Josh. Respect, respect.
No, no respect. We've gone too far.
Yeah, okay. I just like,

this is my fear with AI in general,

that we are no longer going to rely on human interaction.

And it's just, it's just weird, man. It's fucking weird.
I don't know.

Like, I guess if it's better than her being alone, but I hope that she didn't just like have so much social anxiety that she never even tried. And this was just easier for her and her brain, you know?

I understand if somebody has been rejected their entire life, they reach the end. And if this makes them happy, power to them.
Everyone should be happy.

But if this is like your first choice, you just think it's easier. You can get somebody just to agree with you.
You'll never fight. Like,

it's just, I don't like it. It's really, I love talking to ChatGPT.
Same.

You talk to it. I talk to it.
No, you talk to it. I don't talk to it.
I text. I write with ChatGPT.
But do you ever go like... I never voice to text.

And I never, I never voice memo and I never turn on their voice. I know you turn on their voice.

I will sometimes but more so like i will ask like i told you like i asked stick career advice because i think you're always when you're dealing with someone human even if it's someone who loves you or

from the gamut of love to someone who's incredibly hard on you yeah you qualify that with that they are seeing it through their lens yeah and bringing their baggage their experience sure maybe that's what you want yeah but like with ai i feel like i'm getting like and i i will also say like don't be too nice because it tends to be very it's set to be much nicer than probably most would be.

And I, cause I feel like I'm getting what I want, which is a clinical view of things. Sure.

Something unemotional and just like a pragmatic, like with all of this data that I have, this is most likely the best course. Yeah.
What do you think of that? For certain things, I completely agree.

Like I heard that there are like now AI therapists. I actually think that's a fantastic thing for people.
There's no reason why therapy should be so expensive.

Like for a good therapist, most of them aren't covered. You're going, you're paying, what, like $250 an hour? Oh, some are $400 or $500.
Yeah.

And like, you're just sitting across from somebody who easily could be replaced by AI.

I don't know if easy, like, some, some clinicians are brilliant. You're talking about it.

But can't AI become brilliant? Can't AI source and gather all of the information to be brilliant? I guess in those like rare cases where you're a one-of-one and you need one-of-one help, sure.

But I think that like if somebody has like a run of the mill

i'm feeling sad today i don't think you need to go and pay 250 i think you can write to chat gpt or to an ai platform i'm feeling sad today here's what happened what can i do to make myself feel better i feel like you can get more real-time help in that way than waiting till your wednesday night appointment where you might not be feeling anything anymore i'm not saying it works for everything sure but i i love it in that instance i I hate it in dating it.

I think that's nuts. Yeah.
But I love it for, yeah, I think career advice is cool. And I think AI will only get better.
And

the answers will only get better because their data centers will just continue to pull in more and more and refine.

I think it's, I like it for a lot of things.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's, I think as far as therapy will go, it will give you pragmatic, actionable solutions to things that totally work if you can do it. Yeah.

I think it's about, I think also, and eventually if there was a video component to ChatGPT, you probably would get good at learning physical and social cues too.

But I think what great psychologists are trained in is like seeing when someone's faking good. Sure.

Or like the way their body's moving, the way they react physically to questions or when they're telling you things. Like they're picking up on a lot of cues.

But you'll never fake good if you are actively seeking out Chat GPT to help you. You're talking about the person that I think is in therapy that doesn't want to be, that needs to be.

Why would you fake good to your therapist if you voluntarily went there? People do it all the time. Really? But then why are they in therapy? I think it's a guarding of getting too vulnerable.

So they can know they need it, but they're not quite ready yet to like completely like I've heard

there's a lot of different approaches to therapy and whether it's like a Jungian approach, a Freudian approach. I think there was like Erickson was a famous Rudolf Steine.

Like there's all these thoughts. Sounds like a great guy.
Yeah.

You probably love the Jews. How bad you feeling, Jew?

Maybe you should feel bad.

But there's all these approaches to therapy. But what I, my therapist once told me, he's like, he's like, I try to walk alongside of you and help point out obstacles.

Like, he's like, I don't want to move the obstacle for you. I just want to, you know, recognize the thing.

And so I think there are definitely people who go in to therapy thinking, like, maybe their thing is a little easier, it's a little more surface, like I'd like to work on this.

And then a good therapist will be like, Well, let's go to the roots, totally, and people will be resistant because it's painful, yeah. The face setup is hard.

So, maybe it's you use chat GPT or a AI therapist as step one, sure, and then maybe

this app is

maybe this app tells you, I need you to see a real person based on what you're writing or what you're saying. You know, like maybe it's a stepping stone.

I just feel like because of the difficulty of getting therapy and the cost associated typically, people and also the stigma of going to see a therapist.

I feel like less people go to therapy than would use an app to just get some quick insights and helpful tips on how to improve their life.

Well, what's crazy is if you think about like when you go to an ER and and they put you through triage right yeah which is your quick workup to see how sick you really are yeah and if you need a bed right away yep i would say i would bet you in the next 10 years triage will be completely automated it's yeah totally because they will tell you like put on this blood pressure cuff put on this oxygen monitor monitor here are the you know you know ekg electrodes or whatever And it will run it all through the computer.

It will also be taking a live video of you, trying to pick up on certain cues, skin color, whether you're sweating or not. Yeah.

And it'll like tell them, like, hey, he needs to go in now or he seems fine. He has a broken arm.
100%. How about the person?

It's typically a nurse who sees you before the doctor where they ask you all the things that are wrong with you. Yeah.
Right. Exactly.
Like, why can't you just do that on the way into the office?

Save a half hour. They ask you questions in a chat GPT-like format.
Based on your answers, they give you new things. And then, yeah, when you get there, they check your vitals.

It just speeds, it would, it would eliminate, I don't know, six hours of actual work a day probably for these people wow what are we ai geniuses god well it's um it's like sitting here with claude it's unbelievable here with sam altman unbelievable

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Listener of the toast and of your podcast, but I'm looking for your input on a friendship situation. They have two best friends and recently that's changed.

Lucy was married three years ago. I got married this last year and Riley just got engaged two summers ago, but married this past August.

Lucy was going to be the maid of honor for Riley and I was a bridesmaid in that wedding.

And this has been going on for years, but specifically since getting engaged, Riley has emphasized how important her bachelorette and wedding are to her and how much she would really not want us to be pregnant for her wedding.

I got to the point where one night she was drunk and she cried about the idea of us being pregnant as a bachelorette and she said, don't be pregnant or don't come.

Long story short, with a lot of other details in there, Lucy ended up getting pregnant with her due date date being right around Riley's baccalaureate party. Yeah.

So obviously she couldn't go.

And after much back and forth between Riley and Lucy, an attempt from me to salvage that friendship,

Riley demoted Lucy from being maid of honor and then eventually removed her from the bridal party altogether. I can give like a lot more specific details with you call me.

But how would you navigate being friends with someone who you wholeheartedly disagree with a situation on?

Just on a moral level, on treating someone so terribly, finding out they're pregnant.

I also got pregnant and was pregnant at her bachelorette and at her wedding, but she treated me very differently and it made me feel extremely uncomfortable.

So that's like the really quick, major detailed version of that story.

And I would love to hear your thoughts on that. What do you think? Okay, first of all, you can't, you shouldn't have to be friends with such a narcissist.
Like that is like so unbelievably disgusting

to tell people

when they can't get pregnant just because of your day.

Like it's, it's so, and it actually shows a really dark view of a person. Like there's nothing more

incredible than growing up with somebody. being there with them, having a lifelong friend that then is carrying a life in them at like, there's nothing nicer.

you look over and you see a pregnant woman at a wedding especially when they're like i don't know sister of the groom or something and you're like how amazing is that he's getting married and they're about to welcome somebody into their family it's like so nice and wholesome and like like it sounds like you are stuck in just like the past like okay you're you're bachelorette party you've you've two people that still want to come by the way you're you're pregnant don't go okay like you have a pass they don't want to be there Like, it's just so, it's just,

it's so icky and it's so nasty. You shouldn't be friends with this person.
A thousand percent. This person is not looking out for your interests.
I don't know what they want.

They clearly want male order friends. They want people that are just agreeable, you know?

She wants people that are just agreeable and she wants people that are just agreeable and yeah, male or male order friends. Totally agree.
And yeah, this girl sounds crazy.

Don't let her have sharp objects. No.
And basically stay far, far away from her. Stay far away from her.
She sounds rough. She's not.

She demoted her not only from a maid of honor, then to the bridal party, and then out of the bridal party for the, for, for the, the crime of being pregnant

with her husband. That's dark.
It's just nasty. Wow, honey.
Listen. And do you think she demoted her in like different phone calls?

Like first, it was like, okay, you can't be my maid of honor anymore. I'm making you a bridesmaid.
Then the next day, this kooky fucking woman calls her back.

Actually, I don't even want you as a bridesmaid. I'm just inviting you to the wedding.
This woman definitely has thick ankles. Oh, yeah.
For sure. Oh, yeah.
Her beauty is peaking right now. Big time.

And it's going to be, it's going to go coick. Big time.

Don't wear tight socks. No, no, no, no.
It's going to cut off circulation. You're going to see it.
You're going to see the socks. You're going to have to go see someone.
You're going to see the socks.

Not good.

One more. One more.
Let's hear from

Anonymous.

A lot of people are airing out some juicy, juicy stuff from anonymous.

From Janonymous.

Hi, good guys.

I left a moron mail a few months ago about my co-worker who has mega sinus issues and it's really annoying. Me? Oh, yeah.
Quick update. Not that he really gives shit.

She's moving offices. I decided not to complain or do anything about it, but someone else did.
So they're moving her to the hallway that no one is at, which is kind of sad, but lucky for me.

Sounds like an episode of severance. I have a quick question.
I have blonde hair and very dark eyebrows, and lately I've been getting a lot of comments about it.

So I'm wondering, do guys actually look at things like that? Or not really? Thanks. Bye.

Oh, guys have eyes. I think we do have eyes.
I think we look at people. And if I looked at you, Josh, and your hair was blonde, but your eyebrows were brown, I would say, huh? It's interesting.
Sure.

I don't know if I would, I don't know how I would feel. If I don't know also what you're asking, like, are you asking if you should dye it? I think that's totally up to you.

I'm not telling you to do that. But if the question is simply, do guys

notice things? Yes.

Men certainly look at a woman and look at men and look at everybody around them and notice.

Things like that. Yes.
I would a thousand percent notice if your eyebrows were a completely different color than your hair.

I think we tend to notice we would tend to notice something like that per se as then more than the things that people would be textbook insecure about. Yes.

Like if you have like a little bit of like tummy falling over your jeans or like a little love handle thing that you don't like. Go notice.

No, I notice it and I love it. Sure.
You know, it's it's attractive. You hide your arms.
I'd be like, let those arms out. Yeah.
Those are great arms. 100%.
Tank tops are in. Love.
Me too.

So So I think the things people are traditionally insecure about, actually, most dudes, if they're fucking with it,

they're men. Yeah, bro.
We were just talking about this.

If you're overly picky. No.
Are you gay? Probably. Right.
Probably. Yeah.
100%. It's a weird trait.
100%. It's a weird trait.
The female gender is thebomb.com. The best.
It's really.

Women are the tits. Certainly.
And they have tits. Why not? Yeah, we definitely notice when your eyebrows don't match your hair color.
That's not saying that it's not beautiful. I don't know.

We would notice something random. We would notice something random like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Like, if before, every time you talked, you went,

the thing is,

I'd be like,

we got to do something about all that saliva. Like, it can't be fun for you.
No, we notice. If you, every time you talk to you, went,

I'd be like, are you okay?

I mean, but like, Tourette's still, like, sure. I, there was, I'm in.
There's a show on TLC with the couple and the wife has Tourette. Yes.

TLC is so great. It's one of the best shows ever.
And it's like, it's a beautiful love story. Yeah.
Love them together. I love it.
One more quick one and we'll be done. This one is from

Bella.

Hello, good guys. I am calling in from Boston on my...
little walk home in the freezing cold.

I'm leaving a speed pipe because Ben just responded to my Instagram comment on one of his videos. And I was like, wow, y'all are really celebrities.
Like I was so excited.

And so my question for you is, what are some of the best and worst like fan interactions that you've ever had out in the wild?

Could be online, could be in person, whatever you're feeling. Let me show you the best fan interaction.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Love you. Love you.

That was good. That was a good interaction.
That's the best fan interaction. Okay.

Now let me show you the worst fan interaction. Ready? You mind if I take a picture? My sister's a huge fan.
I don't know who the fuck you are, but my sister's a big, big fan.

You mind if we take a picture for my sister? I fucking, I don't know you from the guy on the street. Okay, I have to.
You can take a picture of me? Yeah, just can you not talk to me like that anymore?

Yeah. Awful.
Sometimes they'll even go as far as. Yeah, you know, like, I don't know who the fuck, like they really, they're like, I don't know who you are.
They need to get that off their chest.

and they have no clue who you are but they have enough of a clue that somebody in their life loves you fake it fake it just say it's for you because it's only are you insecure that you could be perceived as my fan is that what it is I think that's mostly it I'm never gonna see you again you're taking a picture either way i think it's two lanes and either way it's bad either you're so you're such a nerd and insecure yeah that you can't admit that you're a fan of someone which is like very flattering yeah and or

you feel as though by you saying i'm not a fan you're like putting that person at ease yeah by being like oh don't worry i'm not going to be weird like i don't even know who you are but like i'm i'm like acting as a liaison for the weird fan no honest cut that out cut it out just be nice just be nice be normal hi we're big fans my friend would love a picture do you mind that's it that's it the same exact way as that the same exact way that we instruct a speak pipe That's how you interact with somebody.

You walk up to them. You don't dilly-dally.
You cut to the chase. Don't dilly or dally.
Just cut to the chase. Economy of words.
That's it. Super easy.

Big fan. Mind taking a quick picture? Even big fan, mind recording a quick video? Just quick.
That's it. To the point, no problem.
Also, the last one.

If you know that you are actively interrupting someone, don't say, I'm sorry for interrupting you or something.

If, like, if we're at dinner or something and you come up and you're like, you know, I really didn't want to bother you. If you really didn't want to bother me, you wouldn't have bothered me.

Don't bother. But don't say, I really didn't want to bother you.
It's the same thing. Come bother.
You're bothering. So come.

You're probably, you're not a bother if you don't say, I didn't want to bother you.

Once you told me I didn't want to bother you, you then know that you're bothering me or you think that you're bothering me and you came up anyways. So true.
Right.

Couldn't need

anymore. No need.
What are you nuts? What are you nuts? Our gripes with people, places, and things, both big and small, whatever's sticking in your...

Wow.

I'll start. Mine is, and I think we might have had it before, but regardless, hot outside food on a plane should not be allowed.
Agreed. Bring your own food on a plane, fine.
Agreed.

You want to bring snacks. You want to bring something easy.
Don't bring anything smelly. No.
And don't bring anything hot. Yeah.
I was on a flight the other day, United, God bless, Chicago de Laguire.

And this woman brought on McDonald's. I love me Mickey D's.

d's yeah i'll take down a double quarter pounder right now i don't want to be trapped in its charoma yeah okay agreed i don't want it like and i know you bought it and you overpaid for it at the airport and you're like this is going to make my flight so much more fun for you yeah not for us but not for us don't bring super just aromatic fast food hot food on a plane don't do it don't do it don't do it it's not nice what are you nuts what do you nuts you don't need that you don't need that my what are you nuts is also on a plane josh you ever bring a beautiful baby on a plane baby starts to maybe doze even goes to sleep before the flight takes off you're really excited about it right because you know this flight's gonna be so much easier now the baby has fallen asleep and all of a sudden the flight attendant gets on

please buckle your seatbelts we're about to take off can you stop screaming he's a sleeping baby yeah can you stop screaming okay you can talk you can get you're on a microphone you're on a microphone you can talk at this exact volume everybody get ready please take your seats Buckle your seat belts.

We're about to take off. We can hear you, even if we have headphones in.
It pipes through the headphones. Right.
You're on a microphone. Right.

So when you're screaming into the microphone, we're be woke up.

Unaccepted.

Nuts. Nuts.
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you guys are the only reason to go to work on Monday. I work in an office by myself so I can listen or watch on YouTube.
Seriously, Benny and Joshi, you are the great guys. Don't sell yourself short.

Wow. Thank you very much.
What a she said something about Kathy Griffin. I'm not going to.

What a sweet review. Folks, this episode's five stars.
Otherwise, what are you nuts? Bless you.

Yeah, as Josh mentioned, rate reviews, subscribe, do all the things, but listen to us wherever you get your podcasts. Watch us on YouTube.
YouTube, it's fantastic. You get to see the banter.

You get to see us live. Yes.

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Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.
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Also, heart to you.

Heart to you.

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