Reneé Rapp

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Good Hang.

Speaker 1 Boy, we have a superstar, a pop star, an incredibly talented, wonderful woman named Renee Rapp joining us today.

Speaker 1 We're so excited to have Renee here we are going to talk about so many things we're going to talk about falling in love we're going to talk about standing up to bullies we're going to listen to her new music which is incredible her um record bite me is coming out at the end of the summer and her new single um leave me alone is out now it's so good and um we're going to talk about what it means to uh to make music during these times it's fun and funny and I can't wait for you to listen.

Speaker 1 And we start these podcasts the same way all the time. We try to get our guests, friends or fans, or people who want to give me a question to ask our guest on the line.
And today

Speaker 1 we have Cara Delavine, beautiful actress, model, director, gal about town, a total delight. And Cara is joining us from Paris and she's going to tell me what to ask Renee.
Hi, Cara.

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Speaker 3 Have we never met?

Speaker 1 I mean, I feel like perhaps I've walked past you at an event.

Speaker 3 And I've never stopped you and hugged you.

Speaker 1 Not yet, but now.

Speaker 2 But now.

Speaker 3 Like, I feel like I just, I adore you and I'm such a huge fan. And I feel like I know you so well because I think Parks and Rec probably saved my life during COVID.
So like, I feel like I know you.

Speaker 3 So if I'd seen you, I would have run up to you and

Speaker 3 probably kissed your feet, if I'm going to be real with you. I just, I just got back from work.
So I'm just getting into my hotel room and then I will sit down.

Speaker 1 Of course, take your time.

Speaker 1 We have people doing these Zooms from restaurant bathrooms, from set,

Speaker 1 from cars. So.

Speaker 3 Oh, perfect. I'm talking to Amy Pola.
I'm on her podcast. My girlfriend's a big fan.

Speaker 3 She's freaked out. She doesn't understand.

Speaker 3 I would tell the camera, but she's naked.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that's how I imagine your life. That's exactly how I imagine.

Speaker 3 We love the podcast. I know.

Speaker 1 I just, we do good hang we are good at with the best hang okay so we're talking to the great renee rap today who

Speaker 1 exactly just my favorite your favorite and i know my favorite can you tell me how you guys met i literally don't even think we've known each other that long but

Speaker 3 uh through my old manager was like you know i'm always want to be behind the camera in as many ways possible. And I think music videos is a great way of doing that.

Speaker 3 And he was like, would you be interested in directing a video for Renee Rap? And I was like, Yeah, obviously, let me let's talk though, let's get on the phone.

Speaker 3 And what I realized about Renee, again, for someone who is nearly 10 years younger than me, she is,

Speaker 3 I mean, a consummate professional. Her voice can just like break me to the floor while also like lift my spirits.

Speaker 3 But also, when you've worked with someone who's a musician, who's also an actor and who's so brilliant and just can like take direction, take notes, be spontaneous um

Speaker 3 yeah she's so good at that okay and then um my question to you is what do you think i should ask renee today there's a lot i know about her but i want to hear what you think i had so many questions that i wanted to ask and then i realized a lot of people won't understand the questions so for everyone the questions that i wanted to ask her number one was If she was a drag king, so not a drag queen for the people that don't know that a drag king, so dresses in drag as a man, what would her drag name be?

Speaker 2 Great. Very important.

Speaker 3 What would yours be?

Speaker 2 Okay, let me think about this.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm going to think about the old trick where you sometimes take the street you grew up on and your first pet name.

Speaker 1 So mine would be Bradley Algonquin.

Speaker 2 Hot.

Speaker 3 I can imagine the dance you're doing too.

Speaker 1 So my guy, I think, would probably be a professor, like some kind of professor

Speaker 1 with a mustache.

Speaker 3 With braces, a bow tie? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And just, and he's just like,

Speaker 1 he's just kind of like sternly telling you to get your work done.

Speaker 2 Obsessed.

Speaker 3 Disciplinarian.

Speaker 2 Professor Algonquin.

Speaker 3 I can't claim this one, but someone, a drag king, is called Clit Eastwood, which I just

Speaker 1 incredible.

Speaker 3 I wish I'd made that up. It's not mine.
I don't know what mine would be, but I'm not the one being asked questions. And the other question would be: oh, oh, if Renee had to be in a girl band,

Speaker 3 like the Spice Girls, it doesn't matter how many people of female singers, rappers, whoever, dead or alive, who would it be? Honestly, that's the hardest question, I think.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's such a good question. Renee is going to be so happy that we talked today, I think, because, you know, these are always surprises.

Speaker 3 So fuck Renee. Any excuse to talk to you, Emmy, couldn't.

Speaker 2 thank you, you're the best.

Speaker 2 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3 I know I love Renee. I'm so glad it was

Speaker 2 so dull.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, just come back next week and we'll just talk about whoever that is.

Speaker 3 I will. I'm going to find a job to do so I can just come and talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yes, please. I would love that.
That's how it works.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 2 Bye.

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Speaker 1 Renee, I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 2 I'm so excited. I've been listening to your song.

Speaker 1 I've been lucky enough to listen to your. Can we listen to your song right now?

Speaker 2 Please. Okay.
Of course.

Speaker 2 I love this.

Speaker 1 Is it weird to listen to your music?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I'm forced to listen to it a lot. So, no, it's not weird.

Speaker 1 Is this your first single?

Speaker 2 it's fun it's so good it's got like a runaways joan jet yeah oh 100 100 i know i like it and it's very crunchy thanks dude thanks

Speaker 1 i'm partial it's so good to like music 100 i really like of course

Speaker 2 thank you it's very sweet i really like you

Speaker 1 i'm glad that you like it it would be shit if you hated it yeah i wouldn't tell you you know what i mean but but it's this record is so good. Congratulations.
We're going to talk all about it. Thanks.

Speaker 1 How are you today? How are you feeling today?

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 1 Renee Rapp.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I first met you without you meeting me. So I guess I should say I first saw you on Tina Faye's phone.

Speaker 2 Love. I mean, that's kind of like a sick thing for me to know that that's where you first seen me.
I'm like, oh my god, that's so cute.

Speaker 1 I saw Tina said, listen to this woman sing, basically, and played a video of you singing. And we both kind of watched it together in awe, as I imagine a lot of people do when they first hear you sing.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you were, you know, I think you were already hired, maybe at that point to do Mean Girls,

Speaker 1 which was, give us a sense of what time that was. What year was that?

Speaker 2 Probably

Speaker 2 2019.

Speaker 1 Right. And you were how old?

Speaker 2 19.

Speaker 2 Dang.

Speaker 1 And what do you remember around that time about getting that part?

Speaker 2 I was just like, so entitled. I was just so entitled.
I was just like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Sure thing. You were like, I got it, nailed it.
Yeah. Do you remember the audition?

Speaker 2 Yeah, totally. What was it like?

Speaker 2 I auditioned a bunch of times. And when I first auditioned, I remember I was like, I need to dress really girly.
And at that time in my life, I was like,

Speaker 2 I mean, I was dressing horrifically. First of all, what are you dressing? Like an infinity scarf, a legging.
Like, I was, I was like, my like.

Speaker 1 And you're telling me those are not cool?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Like, I love a little, like, small infinity scarf, you know, like tiny knit.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But that was just like, I don't know.
I was just dressing crazy. I was dressing crazy.
I had also like just started making money. So I discovered like athleisure.

Speaker 2 And I was like a musical theater person who was moving to New York and I was like, fuck, you guys all wear these little fucking Lululemon skirts. Right.
Right. Right.
Assholes. I got to get one.

Speaker 2 So I was dressing crazy. So I was like, all right, I got to dress the part.

Speaker 2 And I looked fucking insane.

Speaker 2 I just looked so terrible. And I remember being like, I can't walk in these heels.
And this skirt is like. making my ass sweat so crazy.
I have to go home.

Speaker 2 And I did a terrible, terrible first audition.

Speaker 1 It's true. The wrong clothes can really.

Speaker 2 Fuck you up. Yeah, big time.
Fuck you up. I, I, oh, hated it, hated it, hated it.
So then the next audition, I went back, changed clothes, wore some pants,

Speaker 2 skinny jeans. A, that was nice.
And I looked less bad,

Speaker 2 did better.

Speaker 1 What did you sing for your audition? Do you remember?

Speaker 2 No, but I remember that an ex-boyfriend picked it out for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I was like, he was a musical theater major in college and just smarter than I was. And

Speaker 2 he was like, oh, I think I said something. I was like, I'm going to sing like a Beyoncé song.
And he was like, like, what the fuck for? He's like, like, cool. But at that time, it wasn't like.

Speaker 2 You know, the girls weren't doing pop like I think they are now. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 he gave me something. Fuck, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 He was like, sing something from HMS Pinafore.

Speaker 2 Literally, he was like, Terrorist Henry in a color dream coat. Exactly, exactly.
So I remember I did that, and then after that, the auditions I went back, I just had to sing songs from the show.

Speaker 2 Now it's way fucking easier. Yeah.
Because I hate having to make decisions.

Speaker 1 Written by the great Jeff Richmond. Let's give it up for Jeff Richmond, who's an incredible musician, and Tina's husband and my friend for many years.
He's so talented.

Speaker 2 There are no two people cuter. It's kind of outrageous.

Speaker 1 They are a power couple.

Speaker 2 It is kind of outrageous.

Speaker 1 And I am not the biggest fan of musicals. Sorry.
I like them. I don't love them.

Speaker 2 I'm not either.

Speaker 1 I love me and girls music. I love the music.

Speaker 2 It's really fun. Yeah.
It's really, really fun.

Speaker 1 And when you like doing a Broadway show, and how many shows did you end up doing before COVID hit?

Speaker 2 I mean, it was super fucking hard.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I did like six and a half months.
So I did like half of what would have been my like contract.

Speaker 2 Just like did a ton of fucking shows. You just do literally so many.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 And the hardest part of your day is at the end of your day.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Actually, do you know what? No, the hardest part of my day was like the mental game of waking up and waiting the entire day

Speaker 2 and planning your entire life

Speaker 2 around doing a show at night.

Speaker 1 And I want to, I know you identify primary, you know, like you identify gay. Yes.

Speaker 2 We're going to talk about that.

Speaker 2 No, no,

Speaker 2 rude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you identify as a musician and singer in many ways more than an actor, right? Is that true? I think so.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 But I do want to just talk about the Jimmy Awards. Please.
Because

Speaker 1 for people who don't know what the Jimmy Awards are, what are they? For people who have never seen them?

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 most intense

Speaker 2 hormonal

Speaker 2 scary.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Scary, really intense. And I don't say that about other people.
I mean that more about like myself. Like I was a fucking terror.
I didn't make a friend the entire week.

Speaker 1 So, they're a high school competition, yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay, so yes, actually, so what it is is a high school theater. I'm like, you went

Speaker 2 way in, yeah, no, it's a high school theater competition,

Speaker 1 all across the country, yes, correct, and everyone kind of competes. And a lot of like very famous people have been discovered through the Jimmy Awards, you being one of them.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you were discovered because you did the Jimmy Awards? Like, in many ways, were you?

Speaker 2 I feel like, I mean, it definitely like

Speaker 2 it definitely definitely gave me like

Speaker 2 leverage because I was like

Speaker 1 just just kind of an asshole and I was like you guys are gonna pay attention to me whether you like it or not yeah you were really feeling like that's the when I watch your performance on it that is definitely what I feel is this vibe of um

Speaker 1 I'm I've arrived and I'm ready

Speaker 1 you felt that then

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Have you always been this kind of person, Renee? Like if you had some kind of inner inner compass that like tells you

Speaker 2 you have. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah. Where do you think that comes from? I literally have no idea.
Like from inception

Speaker 2 to now,

Speaker 2 same way. Same way.
Like always. And don't get me wrong.
Like I think my parents have those qualities absolutely. But like

Speaker 2 even before,

Speaker 2 you know, when you're like a little tiny thing and you start to sort of like take on parts of your own personality and as those become, you know, what they are, I was always

Speaker 2 like,

Speaker 2 just like super driven, crazy, like a little bit angry and like ready to go.

Speaker 1 That's, and do you think you like,

Speaker 1 this is a little woo-woo, but do you think you've lived before? Do you think you've been here before?

Speaker 1 Because that's a very, you know, it's like, did you think you arrived with some, like, are you a reincarnated?

Speaker 2 No, there's no way because I wouldn't have come back. I'd be like, I'm not doing this shit again.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm not doing that shit again.

Speaker 1 No, this is your first time.

Speaker 1 You're so centered.

Speaker 2 Gotta be.

Speaker 1 From a little, from a young age, you know who you are.

Speaker 2 Definitely. I think I'm just very, like,

Speaker 2 I've just always been very feisty. Yeah.
But also, when, when I was like

Speaker 2 being born, I guess. Hey, when I was being born

Speaker 1 and like, and when I was there being born, when I was like,

Speaker 2 shooting out. Yeah.
My mom

Speaker 2 like chose my first and last name to be, okay,

Speaker 2 arguably, chose my first and last name to both have like R's. She was like, alliteration just in case she

Speaker 2 wants to be a pop star. Like before I was born, which is so fucking headass and is so conceited.
And I'm obsessed with the way she did it. I'm like, thank you, God.

Speaker 1 She gave you a pop star name.

Speaker 1 Just in case, because Renee Rapp is a huge pop star name.

Speaker 2 It's a really good one.

Speaker 1 And Renee Rapp is a huge pop star.

Speaker 1 Do you remember remember the moment when you sang or when you watched people realize that you had an exceptional you have an exceptional voice beautiful voice that can do don't so many things and everybody says like oh my kid's a good singer you know my daughter loves to sing whatever but there is always a moment where somebody sings and everyone looks at each other and says like holy she's really good do you remember a moment where you or someone locked in and knew you know your ambition and talent were matching

Speaker 2 It didn't match for a very long time. Really? No.

Speaker 2 I don't think. Well, are you hard on yourself? 100%.

Speaker 2 But also, my parents were never like,

Speaker 2 my kid's a fucking star. Yeah.
They were like, like, I would, I would, like, come off of like a stage, or even like, I played a lot of sports growing up, come off the field, like court, whatever.

Speaker 2 And they'd be like, you know, where you messed up.

Speaker 2 And I'd be like, I'm five. This is crazy.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 But also, my dad has relative pitch so he's very musically inclined what does that mean relative pitch so basically like if i was flat he'd know like he has a really good ear he's really really good ear so he was always like

Speaker 1 you know where you were flat right so i was like fuck so they were really getting you trained like you're you're you're are you trained or did you ever do any musical training like any

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 i was in choir yeah i was in choir i took piano lessons

Speaker 2 when I was a kid, but they gave me panic attacks. I got very stressed, and I would start crying.
So I stopped. Good.
Got rid of that. But I did.

Speaker 2 I feel like choir was like how I learned kind of how to like

Speaker 2 blend. So I don't want to say like, no, I have no training.
What were you?

Speaker 1 Were you alto? What were you in your?

Speaker 2 I was an alto in choir.

Speaker 2 You have the hardest lines. Thank you.
You have the hardest lines. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because altos sing like they're far away from the choir

Speaker 1 and singing a different song. Yes, oh, a hundred percent.
They're just like, and I will,

Speaker 1 yeah. And the sopranos, or what were you? Were you sopranos?

Speaker 2 I was a soprano. Congrats.
I was a soprano. Thank you.
But also, sopranos are bitches. Like, yeah, if you're a soprano, everyone's soprano.
They're like, oh, congratulations.

Speaker 1 You get to sing the song. Right, exactly.
The altos have to sing some weird dirge that is unexpected.

Speaker 2 Of course. It's like, you know, the All I Want for Christmas is what the fuck is the alto line.

Speaker 1 Okay, what is it? It's just like, okay, you sing the

Speaker 2 same shit, the whole song. And that's exactly what being an alto in a choir is.
And then occasionally having to memorize the most difficult line of music that has nothing to do with what the song is.

Speaker 2 Couldn't be less. It is so

Speaker 2 confusing.

Speaker 1 And you know what happens when those altos go away?

Speaker 2 The song falls apart. It falls apart.
You have like a very shrill, pitchy soprano and like tenor boys who are like not at all developed yet. Yes.
Singing

Speaker 2 like shit. Yeah.
The altos are the same. They're at the bottom of the pyramid.

Speaker 1 The altos are like when you do the cheerleader pyramid. If all those bottom gals decided to just leave.

Speaker 2 What do you do when the bottoms are gone?

Speaker 1 We always say that.

Speaker 2 What are you going to do when the bottoms are gone? Nothing to top.

Speaker 1 Nothing to top.

Speaker 1 Nothing to top if the altos are removed. Nope.
That's what my girlfriend needs me. That's it, right?

Speaker 2 She needs me.

Speaker 1 It's interesting. What I'm realizing is I'm asking you these like technical questions, but I'm realizing how you come to singing is very intuitive.
It's like what you're feeling in the moment.

Speaker 1 Totally. So do you do vocal warm-ups? No.

Speaker 2 Incredible. Hate.
Can't do it. Don't like them.

Speaker 2 Don't like them. Makes me too anxious.
Puts me in my head. Anytime I've ever done a warm-up before

Speaker 2 a performance,

Speaker 2 I have done so shit.

Speaker 1 That is so interesting. I can understand that because then it becomes very important.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm like thinking about it and I'm thinking about the like different technicalities or whatever my voice and I don't, that's not how I learned how to sing. So I don't think

Speaker 2 whenever I try and do that, it's kind of like going back on the actual thing that I know how to do.

Speaker 1 How did you learn how to sing? How would you describe it?

Speaker 2 Listened to Beyonce, tried to match it. Like genuinely.
Like I was like, well, this is it. Yeah.
So I gotta do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know? You like, you let music come from all around you and you, like, you, you brought music in and you're less concerned about trying to be 100%.

Speaker 2 Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 1 Have you met and talked to Beyonce?

Speaker 2 I have met.

Speaker 2 I have met Beyonce.

Speaker 1 Would you like to tell us? Would you like to tell us how?

Speaker 2 I was forced. Okay.
I was forced. Management? No.

Speaker 2 By one of my best friends who is

Speaker 2 like, just, she will always introduce me to someone. Always.
She's like, you must. And for Beyoncé, she was like, this is your like hero.
Like, this is your episode.

Speaker 1 Set

Speaker 2 So, we were at a party after I just told everybody at this Oscar's party that Nemo was the best film ever made. And they're like, cool, she's going to work for a long time.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we went to an after-party, and I was with like two or three of my really good friends.

Speaker 2 And my friend Cara is like the best person to have out with you because she is like your biggest cheerleader ever.

Speaker 1 Is that like Cara Delavine?

Speaker 2 Yes. She like, she will take.

Speaker 2 She just like will literally, she'll be like, Renee, I gotta like hold you for a sec.

Speaker 2 Like, she's like one of the greatest friends on planet Earth, but knows how much I love Beyonce and is really fearless about it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I was like, oh my fucking God. I was like, Beyonce is literally standing here.
That's so crazy. And the whole day she had been saying, she was like, we're just going to introduce you to her.

Speaker 2 Like, like, they invited you. Like, it's okay.
Like, she, like, you guys, like, I'm sure that she loves you. I was was like, no, no, no.
Like, we really should, like, tone it down.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I was.

Speaker 1 Did you say you were in the room?

Speaker 2 Yep. No, definitely.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You had some liquid courage. She was in the room.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was in the room. And

Speaker 2 very blonde. And I think, like, probably the most beautiful person I've ever seen

Speaker 2 in real life ever.

Speaker 2 And I love my girlfriend, but like, she knows you don't compete where you can't compare. And I like that saying.
Can't like can't, like, what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 You put anyone in the category with Beyonce, it's going down. So

Speaker 2 Cara was like, you must say hi to her. I'm like getting so anxious talking about it.
It makes me, I'm like, I could vomit. She was like, you have to.

Speaker 2 And I was like, you walk me up there, bitch, and I will kill you. I'll kill you in front of everybody here.

Speaker 1 But it sounds like you meant the opposite.

Speaker 2 The truth is, I didn't. You didn't.
Oh, she dragged me. And I was like, having such a like a visceral reaction.
I was like, this is my hero. I can't do this.

Speaker 2 I would never even like want to bother her or anything. And

Speaker 2 I just, and she was like, oh my God, hi. I was like,

Speaker 2 you don't have to do that. It's okay.

Speaker 2 Love you.

Speaker 1 Lovely to meet you. You got really sleepy.

Speaker 2 And I just was like, I couldn't look at her at all. Sure.
I also was super,

Speaker 2 I love to have a good time. And I was gone.
So I was like, hey, so nice to meet you. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like basically, you hurried her along.

Speaker 2 Oh, she didn't get a word in edgewise. i was like i gotta go and she was like oh it's so lovely man i said no no no don't even worry about that

Speaker 2 you just have a good night ma'am i'm gonna head on out like we're gonna get you in the car now and you're gonna we're gonna get you home i literally i turned around maybe three feet middle of a party middle of a party screamed top of my lungs turned around in the car and i was like

Speaker 2 And she was still very close. Yeah, she was super close.
I could have walked a bit further, but I was so, I was like, I can't do this.

Speaker 1 It was the greatest night of my life do you want to do you want to meet her again and do you think you'll be cooler when you know that's it

Speaker 2 you can't talk

Speaker 2 sometimes you just don't want to meet i can't i can't it's too much also she'll be like this woman just screamed like two feet away from me and i'll be like i totally did i'm so sorry like how could i ever do that around your your ear she probably is used to people like

Speaker 1 hearing people totally yeah tweak tweak after they meet her for sure i once met prince at s n l

Speaker 1 he came off stage after doing a a sound check and walked past me and i said how was your summer that was what i said to him what did he say he was like he just went like hey

Speaker 1 like can you imagine that being the question you asked prince yeah um terrible no it's good okay let me talk about your album okay because this music your record what's the name of your record bite me

Speaker 2 yeah i kind of forgot where it was like i was like

Speaker 1 yep got it okay bite me so incredible And it is very, I was talking to you when we were, hold on, I got to play this song.

Speaker 2 Go.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 stream my shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. So that's what music is, is you stream it now.

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just stream it now.

Speaker 1 It's funny that you say cannonball. Sorry.

Speaker 2 You're so cute. No, please don't.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Nana needs to listen to it again.

Speaker 2 No, Nana.

Speaker 2 Come on, Nana.

Speaker 1 It's funny. Come on, Nana.
Let's go. Nana's get on up.

Speaker 1 No, but you know what? It's funny that you said cannonball in it because it did have a breeders vibe. Like there's a heavy, like PJ Harvey vibe.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what it

Speaker 1 and what I like about your music is I feel like I'm in conversation with you.

Speaker 1 You're in conversation with us.

Speaker 2 Totally. I mean, hopefully, yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's, not to get too, you know, like, but I did, you know, I don't always do research on the guests because like I understand.

Speaker 1 Cause I'm like, it's okay. Of course.
But I did listen to all of your songs many, many times. Oh, my God.
Thank you. And so I just want to, I want everyone to know that.
But no, but

Speaker 1 there are two songs that the one, Why Is She Still Here? And I can't be, is it? I can't be around you anymore.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Those two songs, everyone listen to those two. They feel like they're from the perspective of a...

Speaker 1 two women in the same like it's it's very cool coupling those two songs they're great songs thank you thank Thank you.

Speaker 2 They're like some of my favorites. And that is true.
They're kind of A and B to each other.

Speaker 1 Right? One is like, why is she still here? What's going on? And the other is,

Speaker 1 there's something going on. Yeah.
We can't really handle it. And I can't be around you anymore is,

Speaker 2 that's a killer song. Thank you.

Speaker 2 I'm obsessed with that song.

Speaker 1 I love that song. And that's a good example, I feel like, of where you're able to show restraint because you have to kind of sing it.

Speaker 1 You're singing it in a way that really makes us feel something, like really feel it deeply. It's so good.

Speaker 2 Thanks. It's really it's

Speaker 1 gonna be a late night driving song for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 That's yeah

Speaker 2 It is for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah 100% and it's gonna be the kind of song that people send to each other like hey, and they're just gonna send it and be like I can't see you anymore because we're we have too much chemistry.

Speaker 2 Exo.

Speaker 1 They're like we're actually I mean, is there anything hotter than being like we can't see each other? It's so hot. It's like we literally

Speaker 1 can't. We have to you have to leave me alone.
Of course.

Speaker 2 So then you do you have to see that person again. Yeah.
Must.

Speaker 1 You can't. You have to, but you can't.
Of course. It's too dangerous.

Speaker 2 It's forbidden. Yes.
It's forbidden.

Speaker 1 Romeo and Juliet. Damsel.

Speaker 2 Fuck. Balcony.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Speaking of love.

Speaker 1 Balcony. Suicide.
Balcony, suicide.

Speaker 2 Speaking of love. Suicide.

Speaker 2 Speaking of love.

Speaker 1 How did you meet your girlfriend?

Speaker 2 Similarly, locked her in my house. Kind of same thing to Beyonce.

Speaker 1 Toa Bird, for people who don't know, incredible musician.

Speaker 1 Opened for you

Speaker 1 and was kind of discovered

Speaker 1 like online, right? Like

Speaker 1 performing and doing videos like during the pandemic online. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 We always joke around that we're like the two TikTok signings

Speaker 1 at our label.

Speaker 2 I had known of her for like the longest time because she's super talented and is really sexy.

Speaker 2 And so obviously i knew of her and because all the sexy you you clock all the sexy yeah yeah i have like a rolleducks i got a list i'm like who's hot got it um

Speaker 2 but yeah she i was i just always like thought she was just so fucking cool

Speaker 2 and i had asked one of my best friends to introduce me to her and

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was like, you have to introduce me to her. He was like, I don't know if she's like

Speaker 2 in a place in her life where she's like wanting to like meet anyone. I was like, I really couldn't give a fuck less.

Speaker 2 I'm not either, but I'm going to meet her. Yeah.
We need to be at least be friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You were like, there's something about her that feels.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was like, I need, like, I, I need to know her like super bad.
And so then he introduced me to her and she was so fucking mean to me.

Speaker 1 And I was like, wait, in what way?

Speaker 2 She liked that? Loved it. But she's scary.
She's

Speaker 2 yeah. Well, she's like from the UK.
So like her humor is also super different, but she's also just such a bitch.

Speaker 1 What did she say?

Speaker 2 Well, I was like, I've heard so much about you. And she was like, why are you talking so much about me then?

Speaker 1 And I was like, she's really negging you.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was like, oh, my God.
And then speaking of negging, the next time we talked, I was like, we were talking about cars because I love cars. And also the movie.
Good animated film. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 I always say

Speaker 1 that Larry, the cable guy, should have been nominated for an Oscar.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's huge.

Speaker 1 His performance as Toe Mater is

Speaker 2 incredible. It is unfortunate.

Speaker 1 And I hear laughter, and that's rude because.

Speaker 2 Because it's true.

Speaker 1 It is true. His performance is incredible.

Speaker 2 No, it's stunning. Agree.
It's stunning. I just re-watched Cars 2 recently.
I cried in bed, obsessed with it. But anyway, fuck.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 So we were talking about cars, and she was telling me what kind of car she drove at the time. And I was like, oh, that's so interesting.
I wouldn't like peg you for someone who would drive a car.

Speaker 2 And she looked at me, or who would drive a car? Who would drive that kind of car? And she was like, oh, you don't want to peg me? and i was like i was like oh

Speaker 1 i was freaky i was like free i was like i am so confident and so like she she oh she she over she went over the top she she topped a top she literally topped a top she out flirted she tiptoped she tiptoped to top she tiptoed on my top you like confidence love

Speaker 2 okay love

Speaker 1 and what would be okay so she's super confident and then you're like okay now now she's a challenge yeah of course i was like now now I'm like you just you you you want me so bad just say it you want that is true yeah

Speaker 2 yeah and so then you started dating yeah then we started dating who said I love you first

Speaker 2 she

Speaker 2 she told me I'm so sorry but she told me we were sat on the beach and incredible high

Speaker 2 um out of our mind okay sorry and

Speaker 2 I was so beyond in love with her like I've never been so scared to, like, fall in love with somebody in my life. I was like, oh, Jesus.

Speaker 2 I was like, we're either going to get married or I can never speak to her again. Like, it's like that kind of like, I just am so,

Speaker 2 I like worship her. I think she's perfect.
And

Speaker 2 yeah, she was like, I think I'm falling in love with you. And I literally didn't answer, didn't say a word.

Speaker 2 I'm on shrooms. The sun is setting.
I'm like, it's a bit cold. There's like a TikToker behind us that I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 1 Who? Which one?

Speaker 2 Her name is Flossy Baby.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know Flossy Baby.

Speaker 2 She couldn't be more hilarious.

Speaker 1 She was behind you during it?

Speaker 2 She's behind us on the beach, but I can't say anything to her because I'm like, Flossy, she doesn't know me at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot going on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we know each other now because I broke everything down to her on Toe's birthday because I invited her. I said, you don't understand what a big part of our lives you are.

Speaker 2 Flossy Baby. I'm obsessed with her.
And so Toe was telling me this, and I was like,

Speaker 2 but I was high, distracted by Flossy Baby. So I was like,

Speaker 2 I was like, there's no way she just said this to me. And what if I'm receiving it wrong because of things that are impairing

Speaker 2 my thought process?

Speaker 1 And natural plants.

Speaker 2 So I didn't say anything. And I said,

Speaker 2 repeat one more time.

Speaker 2 And she was like, are you fucking kidding me right now? I was like, sorry, sorry, sorry. Let me lock back in.

Speaker 2 I love you too. Like, I was like, of course.
And it was the craziest. I love you too, of course.
I wait, I love you too.

Speaker 1 I love you too, of course.

Speaker 2 Honey, you're so cute.

Speaker 2 And yeah, I was just like, I'm obsessed with you. And Flossy baby's here too

Speaker 2 it was awesome it was awesome it was so fun it's so fun wow so it really feels like real true beautiful love i love love that's so great yeah and what is it like working together you guys have been on like do you tour together now still we did i mean she'll we'll like We'll go out for shows for you.

Speaker 1 Will she be playing with you for any of these shows that you're going to do?

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 Wow. What's that like?

Speaker 2 How do you stay in love and work together it's not always easy no i mean she like i think i just respect her so much as a musician that

Speaker 2 i

Speaker 2 am kind of always looking to her um

Speaker 2 like seeking her approval kind of sounds like she's doing something really terrible to me but like i'm like i'm always

Speaker 2 yeah like i want to know i i really respect her opinion yeah i really respect her opinion and i think she has amazing taste and i think that there are so many things and ways that she's so much smarter than me.

Speaker 2 And I love having that in a partner because I want to learn from her all the time.

Speaker 2 But there have also been times where like we've worked in sessions together and we're writing for each other's projects. And

Speaker 2 she's super fun to write with, so easy to collaborate with. And I don't think I'm as much like that.
for her

Speaker 2 because we were writing and God bless her.

Speaker 2 We we like left and I was like, you seem you seem a bit upset with me and she's like no, I just like I don't think I I don't think you needed to like nitpick my vocals all that much and I was like got it got it got it So what had happened was I was like trying to vocal produce her on like a demo for like the better part of an hour and a half and I was like

Speaker 2 again

Speaker 1 Again, you were like I can tell when you're a little flat. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I said sorry. Do you know where you were wrong?

Speaker 2 She was like cool cool cool. So I don't know if she wants to work with me again,

Speaker 2 but I love working with her. Yeah.
I love working with her. I don't think I'm maybe the person for her, which I totally get.
I'm a bit neurotic.

Speaker 1 It's funny. You are a bit neurotic.
You don't seem neurotic.

Speaker 2 In like a studio setup. Okay, okay.
I'm pretty insufferable to be around. You want to get it right.
Yeah, it's got to be, it's got to be it.

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Speaker 1 The two of you are very, very sweet together and very, very like, you know, I know that the, you know, the people that are fans of yours like already know this, but

Speaker 1 you're very, um

Speaker 1 you're a very sweet example, I think, of like a beautiful young lesbian couple that are very open

Speaker 1 and very loving in real time. And it goes back to, I think, Renee, something that's very special about you, which is you.
very generously like shared

Speaker 1 in many ways with the world your own journey about how you wanted to identify. And I'm thinking about the story that I heard when you did SNL

Speaker 1 and you were working with the writer Celeste. And do you want to tell that story? I mean, it's the best.
It's the incredible story.

Speaker 2 It's so, it's, it's the best. I, so they, Celeste and a couple of other people had written into the skit that I was doing.

Speaker 2 They were like, okay, we're going to call you a little bisexual intern. And at that time, I was like very, like publicly bisexual.
I had been for a very long time.

Speaker 2 And like in private, I was like talking with my girlfriend and a lot of my friends for the last maybe like eight months before that of being like, I actually like don't really feel very like bi at the moment.

Speaker 2 I feel like very much like a lesbian and like it feels so nice. And like that word feels amazing and it feels very like euphoric for me.

Speaker 2 So I was like, do you think that we could just change it to like gay? Because I was honestly a little, I don't know, like labeling yourself publicly is

Speaker 2 really,

Speaker 2 really, really empowering. And also, I think can be kind of intimidating because you're like, Jesus fucking Christ, this feels so good for me right now.

Speaker 2 And I don't wanna go buy something that doesn't feel correct, but I'm also gonna like give myself the willingness to be like, what if in 10 years I don't like that identity either and I just wanna I don't know like what if in 10 years I'm completely different in terms of my identity and sexuality or like my gender expression, anything like that?

Speaker 2 Or if I decide to be a really nice person, then I want to be like, wait, I'm fucking nice

Speaker 2 now, right? I want to have the grace to be able to change from being a bitch to being a sweetheart. So whatever.
But yeah, I was just like, I maybe like gay. I don't know.

Speaker 2 And Celeste was like, fuck yeah, like literally whatever you want. And I was like, okay, A.
And I fucking love Celeste. And then I was talking to Bowen about it.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I kind of just want to be like,

Speaker 2 like, slur. No, I kind of just want to be like, like, lesbian.
I was like, I'm just going to kind of do it. And I called Toa.
And then I was like, babe, I think I'm just going to like rip.

Speaker 2 Like, I think it like feels good. Also to like come out as a lesbian.
I'm like, SNL is like pretty county. I was like, I'm going to do it for sure.

Speaker 2 And I was also like, okay, I'm probably going to disappoint a lot of people who felt like they connected with like the very openly bisexual part of me.

Speaker 2 And I'm also probably going to piss a lot of other people off.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay, what else do I live to do other than like cause like a controversy sue me like fine okay what a big fucking problem so then I just I wanted to do it and Bone and Celeste and everybody were like hell yeah what's been the feedback

Speaker 1 What how did it feel to do it and what did anything change after you did it?

Speaker 2 I mean, I definitely I kind of just like didn't even like look online afterward because I was like, I don't how did it feel in your life in your real life?

Speaker 2 Amazing. Yeah.
So fucking good. Like so fucking good.
I think also just like being from somewhere incredibly rural,

Speaker 2 you know, you,

Speaker 2 I don't know, like, you don't like,

Speaker 2 it's just like, it's like fucking like MAGA Town where I grew up at. And like it always has been.
And it's probably better now than it was when I was a kid. Or it's 10 times worse in so many ways.

Speaker 2 So I think for me, I was like, it was, it was really interesting because I think a lot of the people who I grew up around around who are incredibly homophobic are very supportive of me now that I...

Speaker 2 am like a public person because I think the idea of fame and wealth can sometimes trump hate if it's close in proximity, which is really fucking frustrating because I'm like, I know you don't like anybody else who's gay and you don't like me either.

Speaker 2 You just like the idea of the closeness to like something that is very shallow so much so that you're willing to like put your bigotry to the side for a second to be like, oh, I babysat her.

Speaker 2 I'm like, no, you're a fucking homophobe and I don't like you to the day and I will never like you. My neighbors are boycotting Target for having like a pride line.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I could give a fuck about y'all. I could give a fuck about y'all.
So that in that way. really frustrated me.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Cause I was like, you don't get to be like supportive of this thing now that it's easy for you and fun for you and something for you to fucking brag about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you must feel very used.

Speaker 1 So used.

Speaker 2 So used. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then on the other side of that, I like love being a lesbian and I love the lesbian community so much and I love like the community surrounding lesbians that like

Speaker 2 like really fuck with us. I don't know.
So there's like, there's really bad and there's really, really good. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I also like, I love to watch people come out publicly who feel like they can and then like change their identity or not.

Speaker 2 It's just kind of, I don't know, it's not for everyone, but like for me, it was definitely an integral part of my life.

Speaker 1 Well, I think what you're talking about is that by doing it, you're just kind of like leading by example this idea that

Speaker 1 everything doesn't have to be so serious. Like you can decide as long as it's you deciding,

Speaker 1 then you can decide however and whenever and wherever you want. It can be.
in your parents' house. It can be on SNL.
It can be in a relationship. Totally.

Speaker 1 Like that is i think what if i may speak for myself like what gen z has done for me

Speaker 1 right what young people do for me is i came up at a time when labels meant meant so much they were

Speaker 1 Not only were they lifelong, they were like tattoos, right?

Speaker 1 So people were very, very afraid. Like, what if I get something wrong, basically?

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I get it wrong. Or like to your point, what if I want to change? Or what if I'm kind of 10% this and 90% that? Or what if I'm in the the middle? There was no, there was, it was really binary.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Gen Z, because life has been so serious, Gen Z is kind of balanced it by saying, like, it's not that serious. Yeah.
It's not that, it's okay. It's make a mistake or not.
Totally.

Speaker 1 Decide however you want. Totally.

Speaker 2 Relax.

Speaker 1 And there's some way that you did that. And the way that you do that, the way you live authentically that's very relaxing.

Speaker 1 And I think it's very cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Thanks.
Very cool.

Speaker 2 It's nice. I like, like, I don't know.
I enjoy it. I also just have like a big like group of like

Speaker 2 gay friends around me. Like I like have like my like gaggle of lesbians.

Speaker 1 So speaking of, please, um, we do a thing here where we ask your friends or people that know you to talk well behind your back.

Speaker 2 They talk shit about me. No.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I believe it. It's totally fine.

Speaker 1 No, it's got it. Nope.
It's like, it's like, um,

Speaker 1 it's like the on the it's like mean girls, but not mean girls. It's the other side of it, which is basically we got Cara Delavine.
We talked to her today.

Speaker 2 Bitch.

Speaker 2 Such a fucking bitch.

Speaker 2 Whore. Common whore.

Speaker 1 Incredible. By the way, when we called her, she was in Paris and there was her partner was naked in the bed.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 she was wearing headphones and like she's so, I mean,

Speaker 2 supermodels are so hot. Models are so hot.
Models are so hot. We got to start talking about it more.
Models are so fucking hot.

Speaker 2 Let's just be clear. Models are so fucking hot.

Speaker 1 I know a lot of, yeah, this is a hot take. Yeah.
Models are hot.

Speaker 2 Models are hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're pretty. They're pretty on camera.
They're pretty during the day. They're pretty during the night.

Speaker 2 All the time. Yeah.
Literally all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good job, models. Cara wanted me to ask you a couple questions.

Speaker 2 Oh, please. I'm sure they're.

Speaker 1 She had incredible talents.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, I'm sure they're very PG and very normal. Okay.
And super. Yeah.
Totally.

Speaker 1 First of all, what would your drag king name be?

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh. I know.

Speaker 1 I'll let you think. It's so good.
I got a little put on the spot. And I

Speaker 1 did you say? Well, I picked what

Speaker 2 I got nervous. That's okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I said, you know, like when you're trying, when you're trying to figure out like your dancer name, your exotic dancer name,

Speaker 1 you do the

Speaker 1 street that you grew up on and your first pet.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I didn't.

Speaker 2 Okay. This is because I, what is this?

Speaker 2 Probably Probably because

Speaker 1 this was said in like 1970.

Speaker 2 It's good.

Speaker 1 But so my, the street, so I said Bradley Algonquin was my drag king name because that was the street I grew up on, and I had a guinea pig named Bradley.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought your guinea pig's name was Algonquin. No, I was like, wait.
Yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 But anyway, we'll cut this part out.

Speaker 2 No, I like it. I like it.
I actually think it's pretty strong.

Speaker 1 There's nothing worse than giving a drag name and people going, wait, what? Explain it. And then you have to explain it.
And then they go, no, I like it.

Speaker 2 Well, Algonquin is where I was like, I was more just like, where's the guinea pig? Yeah. Algonquin.
Actually, yeah. So that was your street name?

Speaker 1 So I just gave that to myself. But again, no one's ever going to hear this.

Speaker 2 We're going to bring all this out. And my social security is a spotless.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So what is your drag king name?

Speaker 1 And do you like, I mean, I actually have to say, like, what I really love about you is like like your experimentation with mask and femme.

Speaker 1 You do it a lot in your, in your work and in the way you dress. And I really relate to that because I'm always very confused about how to dress.

Speaker 2 100%

Speaker 2 fucking percent.

Speaker 1 Very confused. And you present both often.
Like you're, you go back and forth. And again, you're showing us by example that you don't have to choose.
Things.

Speaker 2 I've like watched so many people do it so well.

Speaker 1 Who does it well?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 not to be like so annoying, but like my girlfriend does it really well.

Speaker 1 I wasn't going to say, but she really does do it well.

Speaker 2 Like, she's fine as hell. What are you going to do? Yeah.
Take me out. Like, it's fine.
She really does.

Speaker 2 Fuck. I don't know.
I wish I

Speaker 1 didn't know how to answer it.

Speaker 1 That's a really good question. I mean, we could think of some fun pun.
Like,

Speaker 1 you know, instead of,

Speaker 1 you know, we instead of

Speaker 1 Timothy Shalamay, you could be called Timothy Shaligay.

Speaker 1 Is that good?

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 2 That's actually it. Right? I can't even explain to you how much exactly that is it,

Speaker 2 but it is. Oh my God, we did it.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. And then the other question she had, which is amazing,

Speaker 1 who would be in your girl band? If you could put together a girl band, dead or alive.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. If you could put together a girl band.
Good, good girl. Oh, my God.
Okay, I have a real one and I have a fake one. Okay, great.
Okay, the real one would be me, Karen Carpenter,

Speaker 2 Beyonce,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 oh, maybe like Queen Latifah or something amazing. Something so sick.
Dana Owens.

Speaker 2 I love Queen Latifah. I'm like, please.
That would be so hard.

Speaker 1 Have you ever met her?

Speaker 2 Again, I was forced by Cara.

Speaker 2 How funny. She takes me up to everybody that I'm scared of.

Speaker 1 She is so great. Like, like, no surprise, but fucking amazing.
She's amazing.

Speaker 2 She's fucking amazing. She's so fucking cool.
And it was also just like so. She is like timeless.
She's so timeless to me.

Speaker 1 So that's your real band. Then what about you said you had a fake one?

Speaker 2 Yes. Fake band is me, Nini Leaks, Ellen DeGeneres, and Wendy Williams.

Speaker 2 That's the one I want.

Speaker 2 That's the one I want. Yeah, that makes sense.
I want that. Bad.
Keep talking about it. i'll do it as your manager of that band um probably cara yeah she'd manage it yeah

Speaker 2 yeah she'd she'd manage it i don't know how much like managing would be like done but i know that she'd manage it and who would be your opening act if you guys went on the road maybe like um like you as your character from inside out oh my god you i would dress up as joy and be your opening act yeah that'd be super cute that would be but no like head like face paint okay like your true face yeah that would be like an acid trip i would love to do acid while

Speaker 2 doing that

Speaker 2 i'd be like this is fucking awesome and then we also get ellen to like do dory as well that would be on the side hold on now i see it now thank you for that that's great so I'll come out as Joy from inside out, and then Ellen will join me as Dory.

Speaker 2 Oh, my fucking bad.

Speaker 1 And then you assume that's all we're going to see about it. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Nope.

Speaker 1 She comes back. She washes her face paint right and she comes back in the van.

Speaker 2 It's a girl group. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, fuck.

Speaker 2 Yeah, fuck.

Speaker 2 That sold out.

Speaker 1 As you would say, that fucks.

Speaker 2 No, that fucks. Yeah, that fucks.
That does fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 what are you listening to these days, watching, doing, like, how do you check out when you're like when you need to rest your brain or get away from the hard stuff? What's making you laugh?

Speaker 1 What are you, where do you go? I'll watch.

Speaker 2 Oh, sorry, go.

Speaker 1 go no what do you watch no no i'll cut myself i'd love to hear what people are watching i watch svu

Speaker 2 okay i watch svu which one law and order with um christopher maloney and uh marish gargate that's right so talk to me about why that um that that's a good checkout for you i love them yeah i love them like what the fuck are you doing yeah it's also the writing on that show is so crazy it's so crazy it's like

Speaker 2 got a burp dead Yep. What a shame.
Raped? Absolutely. Whoa.
No trigger warning. Right.
And then it's like cut to,

Speaker 2 it's so intense and there's so much going on. And you're like, holy shit.
This is

Speaker 2 either, I can't tell if this is awesome or if it's so

Speaker 2 so bad. And I think everyone would agree with that.
It's quick. And I need something that's quick because I don't want time to think about something else because it all starts tweaking.

Speaker 2 And I also think Christopher Maloney is kind of fucking jacked. And it's, it's hot.

Speaker 1 He's not kind of fucking hot. He's super jacked.

Speaker 2 Have you ever seen the picture of him in like a middle split when he did like men's health? This one?

Speaker 1 Love. I'm going to say something.
And I love Christopher Maloney. I don't agree with him.

Speaker 1 I don't like men doing splits.

Speaker 2 Can I be honest?

Speaker 1 I don't like, I don't find that attractive.

Speaker 2 I, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it's rate woman. Totally.
I don't enjoy flexible men.

Speaker 2 I couldn't agree more. I don't like, oh, this is, and some of my friends do this and that's okay i do just want to flag some of y'all do this and that's all right

Speaker 2 i'm not big into boys flipping doing back flips we got to cut that out oh i don't like

Speaker 2 okay and this i don't like boys

Speaker 2 right you don't even like boys no but this is just my personal preference yeah i totally agree any kind of like goofy gymnastics totally i've just been like verbally and physically assaulted by too many like theater boys, theater like like twinks, the straight theater twinks who ruined my life as kids, who are like, wait, I do a flip.

Speaker 2 And so the director was like, front and center. Front and center.
Like, do that flip. Yeah.
Yeah. They're like, come on, come on, Joey.

Speaker 2 And like, Joey is only getting front and center because the director has a massive crush on him and he can do a flip.

Speaker 1 This is before

Speaker 1 time, but there was a movie, a great movie called The Outsiders. Do you know that movie? Heard of it.
Okay, so it was like based off of a book. And it was all young Roblox and young

Speaker 1 Patrick Swayze and

Speaker 1 all these boys. And Tom Cruise is famously in it.
And he's one of the, and it's one of his first films and he's like one of the bad guys. And I remember being like, he's cool.

Speaker 1 And then he does a backflip in it.

Speaker 2 And I was like, tap down though. Immediately out.

Speaker 2 Immediately out.

Speaker 1 He lost it for me.

Speaker 2 There's something about it that's a bit vulnerable. I'm like, wait, cut that out.
You're a boy. What are you doing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And look, I've seen you lift your leg. You are very flexible.

Speaker 1 Now, girls can be flexible. Boys shouldn't be flexible.

Speaker 2 Boys shouldn't be allowed to be flexible. Cut that shit out.
Cut that shit out.

Speaker 1 But I've seen you sing and lift your leg like this when your leg is like up.

Speaker 2 And that

Speaker 2 too is similar to the flipping something that people shouldn't do.

Speaker 2 That's not true.

Speaker 1 If you can do it, you should do it all the time.

Speaker 2 Oh, if you're like dancing or doing something fucking incredible, absolutely. But like, people shouldn't do what I did.
That was.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take back my thing, though, about boys and gymnastics for one thing, one reason. Two times I found men doing gymnastics exciting.
One was in Footloose

Speaker 1 when Kevin Bacon's stunt double

Speaker 1 during his dance break, he swung on a high bar in a barn. And I was like, But that's cool.

Speaker 2 That's amazing. Yeah, that was cool.
That was cool. That's like, what are you doing on that pole, you little slut? That's cute.

Speaker 2 That's cute. That's okay.

Speaker 1 And I liked it. And

Speaker 1 it didn't bother me. Yeah.
And the other one was that great gymnast that was on the pommel horse that was

Speaker 2 with the glasses. Obsessed with her.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's cute he can do that but that's like their that's his job that's his job you know what that's his job if back flips are your and splits are your job do it do it tenfold go for it love it you're good at your job commit if you're just doing it in the middle of the street

Speaker 2 keep walking and i'm not saying that like if i could flip which i can't so i'm not like i'm not hating because i can't do it are you wait a minute hold on you just brought something up do you think we're hating on it because we can't do it literally no i think it's weird i'm sorry and that's and by the way that doesn't mean that other people should say it's weird about anybody else, okay?

Speaker 2 Because I really like, I love my friends. And if they want to flip, fucking flip.
It's just not my thing.

Speaker 2 It's not my thing.

Speaker 1 You know, if the backflippers come for us,

Speaker 2 they're going to fucking whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm ready. If the backflippers come from us, we can just run away because they're backflipping all the time.

Speaker 2 But they'll kick us. They will kick us.
Think about the strength in that, in that thigh.

Speaker 1 I mean, have you ever done this where I love Law and Order? The original Law and order the first like 12 seasons like with benji brat and i've never watched it

Speaker 1 i'll lock in it's so good with jerry or bach and s pathamurkeson as um the lieutenant it's just like it's it's the early law and order that every it's the you know sweet generous it's the mothership that all of them were based off of and

Speaker 1 They have that little exchange always before the bump bump. And you can sometimes guess guess the last line.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. I love doing that.
Oh my God. There was one last night I wish I could remember because it's just so crazy.
It's so crazy. It's in, I'm like, I can't imagine

Speaker 2 delivering that line. Right.

Speaker 1 Like there's a, you know, a body found in Central Park and someone's like, yeah, yeah, it was during the marathon, you know, and

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 suspect was found here under the tree. And then Jerry Orbach comes over and just goes, well i guess you're not making it to the finished line today exactly and you're just like

Speaker 2 exactly i cannot imagine having to deliver that line i would walk out i'd walk right on out of a set i'd be like you know what i disagree i think you'd nail it oh my god

Speaker 2 i could my like what's it um suspension of disbelief or something i'm not oh i'm not good at that if i get like if there's a line that i'm like i can't do this i like totally shut down as a as a person I'm gonna say that you're underestimating yourself because what I have learned about you Renee if I may is that you're pretty good at overriding nerves to get

Speaker 1 to level up you've done it over and over

Speaker 2 yeah yeah

Speaker 1 how do you get through the the scary parts what do you do I really just don't take it seriously.

Speaker 2 I just do not take it seriously. Because when I take myself too seriously, I panic.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I panic because it's like oftentimes it's truly not about as much as I hate to say this, it's truly not about me. So

Speaker 2 and no one fucking use that against me. Okay, but like you know what?

Speaker 1 I'm gonna just finish by saying this. I've seen examples of you being you're like a very loving and supportive person in real time.
And I know that about you and I heard that about you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Can you advocate for yourself the same way? Oh, absolutely fucking lovely.

Speaker 2 Okay, great. Oh, with a quickness.
With a quickness. Yeah.
Because, like, you know, kids are assholes. People are assholes.
I was an asshole.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm sure there were so many times I can recall that, like, people were assholes to me when I was growing up in school.

Speaker 2 And I guarantee that there were 10,000 times that I was so mean to somebody else for no reason because I was pissed at myself or pissed off at somebody else.

Speaker 2 So, like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's not to say that sometimes I'm not an asshole. I totally am.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but just like how you said earlier, you may want to identify as a nice person soon.

Speaker 2 I know. I might need to like tap into that like sort of like little like pigtail kind of infinity scarf girl again.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, we're back to the infinity scarf. And that is perfect full circle, just like the infinity scar.

Speaker 2 Totally. I'm straight again.
You're straight again. I'm straight again.

Speaker 1 That's what I do to people.

Speaker 1 Sorry, ladies. I made Renee straight again.

Speaker 2 Fuck.

Speaker 1 I know, fuck. Don't worry.
We'll get her back. We'll get her out of the room.
We'll get her back.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Come out with the lesbians.

Speaker 2 You'll be gay yourself. I mean, I wish.
Oh, my God. Literally come out.
We go out every weekend. Come out.

Speaker 1 Where are you going this weekend? Literally wherever.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's not a place.

Speaker 2 The problem is wherever. The problem is.
You go out late.

Speaker 2 No. Well, yeah, but like you'll, you'll be so fine.
I probably.

Speaker 1 What time do you get leave the house?

Speaker 2 Like, what time do you want to leave the house?

Speaker 1 I'm asking you, what time does your night start?

Speaker 2 Like a nine. A nine.
Oh, that's not bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because we'll get like dinner before because you need to eat if you're gonna go out i can't i can't do two things it's either one it's out or dinner i get it i get it i get it you know what i'm so sorry i can't go that's okay that's totally okay i'm so i'm so stressed i'm so tired don't worry don't worry and i know nine means 9 30 and then totally it's continuing 10 30 of food lesbians yeah super late and then and then my stomach is full and you know

Speaker 1 anti-acid yeah and i'm gonna have to take a pep sit or something that's okay but have a good time and tell me how it goes 100 i'll send you send you photos

Speaker 1 Renee, thank you so much for doing this to me so far. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 This was a blast.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Renee Rapp. You were awesome.
And, you know, this is the part of the show where I just give little shout-outs. It's the polar plunge, if you will, where we go deeper.

Speaker 1 So, first of all, check out Flossy Baby on TikTok and probably other platforms. She's hilarious and she was at the beach when Renee fell in love.
So she's technically

Speaker 2 good luck.

Speaker 1 And also, because we're talking about music, I just want to point out that our theme song, the Good Hang theme song, is written by the great Amy Miles.

Speaker 1 Amy Miles is a singer-songwriter from New York City, my dear friend for over 25 years. She's incredibly talented.
She wrote this for us. And so many of you want to hear the whole song.
And so

Speaker 1 we want you to go to Spotify. Go to Spotify and check out Amy Miles and check out the Good Hang theme song.

Speaker 1 You can get it there and show her some love because she's so talented and she's my friend and I love her. Thank you, Amy.
Okay, thanks, everybody. Never know how to end these.

Speaker 2 Bye.

Speaker 1 You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Burman, and me, Amy Poehler.
The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite.

Speaker 1 For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Aalaya Zaneris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman.
Original music by Amy Miles.

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