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This is Amy Poehler.

Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.

We're going to talk to the great Paul Rudd today.

I've known Paul for a million years, and I love him.

You love him.

America loves him.

The world loves him.

We're going to talk about some cool stuff today.

We're going to talk about how he almost lost the part in Clueless because he had...

a bad haircut.

We're going to talk about how dumb comedy is our favorite kind of comedy and maybe it's not as dumb as you you think.

And we're gonna get into the absurdity of existence because that's what we do here.

We go deep and then we get really shallow.

And we're also gonna talk about his film Friendship with the great Tim Robinson, which is coming out soon.

So, check it out.

And we're gonna start this episode the way we always like to, which is a fan or a friend or someone who knows our guest so they can tell me what they think I should ask.

We have a very special guest, another member of the Handsome Man Club, and that is John Ham,

who has known Paul Rudd forever and I believe is calling in from the set of a film right now where he is about to get on a hot air balloon.

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Polarito.

Cam.

Wait.

Please explain.

Explain to me what we're seeing right now.

You know, it's a typical day in Hollywood.

I'm in a tuxedo at 7 o'clock in the morning

with a hot air balloon in the background.

I just got off that hot air balloon.

So you're telling me you got off a hot air balloon and you got on the phone so you could talk to us on Good Hang.

And a tuxedo.

Well, I assume you're always wearing a tuxedo.

I mean, it kind of feels that way, right?

How many tuxedos do you own?

You know, when I moved into the house that I live in now, I think I sold or got rid of or donated or something, probably 15 tuxedos.

And I probably still have a double-digit amount of tuxedos.

None of them fit.

Yeah.

None of them fit.

I was shocked that this one fit.

This is one of mine.

They said, do you have a tuxedo?

The costume designer came over last night.

I was like, yeah, I got it.

Come on, just come over to the house and take a look and see whatever tuxedo you want to have.

You're like, let's go to my white tuxedo closet.

I did that too.

So you're wearing your own personal tuxedo.

Yes, personal tux.

Well, thank you because I would expect nothing less.

How much time do you have?

Five minutes?

I have some time.

We're turning around.

So yeah, we have time.

For those that don't know, turning around is a movie term that means.

You're shooting other way from what you just shot.

So you have to move all the equipment and everything.

And everything has to move.

That's why all the trucks are moving and all the.

Let me see if that kind of difference.

there's a hot air balloon

there's a hot air balloon listeners if you're listening let me just describe that um john handison

component to this because beautiful there is there is a video component and there's he's in a beautiful white tuxedo and behind him is a hot air balloon that he just got off of doesn't the stream look like i'm thinking about a hot air balloon right now

okay we're talking to paul red today yes We do this thing.

I'm a friend of many, many years.

We do this thing where we kind of talk behind their back before we talk about them.

We talk to people that know them.

Can you tell me where you first met Paul?

I first met Paul in St.

Louis, Missouri.

Paul

was roommates and friends with my high school girlfriend's older brother.

So this,

and then this family was dear friends of mine too, and still remain.

They were all at my wedding.

Like it was a whole, it's a whole thing, the Clark family.

so paul came back with preston the older brother for thanksgiving or something one weekend and he looked like michael hodgins he had like

long curly hair

he had it was it was probably 1990

89 maybe

and uh

he couldn't have looked any cooler He had a denim jacket that he had painted or had had painted, someone painted on the back the cover of Duran Duran's Rio.

Wow.

The

Donald Magel painting, that

very 80s thing.

So he was operating at a much higher level than anybody we had really ever run into at that point in our lives.

Was he older than you at that point?

He's two years older than me.

So he was a.

a freshman in college when I was a junior in high school.

And yeah, that's when I first met Paul.

And it was like, he was funny and cool and interesting.

And,

you know, a college kid.

And did you become friends instantly?

Like you really connected fast?

We definitely connected.

I would say that, you know, Paul, that was when they were when Paul and Preston were going to KU, Kansas University.

And then when I

ended up going to the University of Missouri,

I went to visit Paul, who had by this point gone, transferred out of KU and moved to LA and was going to the Academy of Dramatic Arts.

And he lived in North Hollywood with Preston and our friend Bo.

And I came out for spring break to hang out with them.

That's when I really became friends with them because we were hanging out in

LA.

Thanks.

In LA,

really just making a scene in 1991, 92.

So we would go down to like the third street propane.

Just in jean jackets and like a bunch of cool guys.

Yeah.

It was, there was was a place called Yankee Doodles that was like a bar that had

pool tables.

And that was where we went.

And you were all like auditioning at that point?

I was still in college.

They, Paul had just booked a big Nintendo ad, so he was just riding high.

And then by the next time I came out, when I came out, when I moved out here after college in 95, he had done.

Clueless and he was on the way to go do Romeo and Juliet.

And he was on the way to the, to the stars.

So it was crazy.

That's, that's, uh, I watched it all happen.

You know, he was, he was,

he was, uh, he was the first one of us that really got famous.

It was very, very cool.

That, what was that like to have a, like, I, I, I know, I remember my first friend who was famous.

Like when I moved to New York, Janine Garofilo was my first famous friend.

And it was a trip.

What was it like?

They're operating.

Again, they're just operating in different circles.

And you're like, oh, right.

Those are the people that I read about.

Because you read about them back then.

It It was like Premier Magazine had a feature on Paul or Entertainment Weekly or something.

He was like a big brother.

Big brother, for sure, for sure.

Even though he stands about a foot shorter than me, let's be honest.

Nobody's taller than you, Ham.

Look at you.

You literally look like you own this town.

John is now walking through the fake town in his tuxedo, getting ready to get back on the hot air balloon.

Yes, yes, here.

Wow.

You look like a billionaire who's just having like a day out.

This is literally, if I was a billionaire, I would take my hot air balloon to work.

Okay, so what question do you think I should ask Paul?

We're asking people what I should ask him.

You know, I was, because I listened to your guys' thing

with the one you guys did with Tina, which I thought was so good.

And you guys had such a great report.

I texted you guys.

John's getting in the hot air balloon right now.

And we,

I loved, I loved

you and Seth and Drachi and everybody

coming at it i think the question i think you should ask paul is at what point or

i was asking this to billy crude up on the set the other day

what point

or has it happened yet in his in his career or in his life

gone to he

has he lost all right let me know when freaking out about

being good all the time from an active standpoint you know what i mean i don't have that i don't have that stress anymore Yes.

I love what I do and I love doing it.

And I know if I don't do a great job, I'll do it again and it'll be good on the second take or whatever.

Oh my God, this is so exciting.

Guys, listeners, John is about, he's rolling, I think.

Are you rolling?

Going up.

Going up.

Yeah, we're about to roll.

Okay.

So that's what I would ask him.

Okay, when did he stop freaking out about doing a good job?

Like, is he settled in?

Maybe he, maybe he still hasn't.

Maybe he still hasn't.

And I want to know when did that nickel drop?

When you come on, I want to ask you that question.

Can you keep your phone on while you go up in the balloon?

I can't because I'm on camera.

Damn it.

Oh, I hate Hollywood.

I hate Abby.

I'm so dumb.

Okay.

I love you so much.

Thank you so much for this.

Love you, Polar.

Can't wait to see you, buddy.

All right, buddy.

Okay.

Talk to you soon.

Bye.

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I don't even know where to start.

Paul Rudd is here.

So exciting.

Rudd, you

and I have known each other a very long time.

I would say over 25 years now, maybe, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Do you remember the first time we met?

Was it maybe at,

I don't know, is this a test?

Not only is it not a test, but I can't remember anything.

Good, good.

Okay.

Perfect.

Okay, we're right there.

I want to say, was it maybe

it might have been

at a UCB show early on, or there was another time, I think, I was at 10th Street Lounge

with Janine Garofilo, maybe.

My first famous friend.

Yeah, it was around that time.

Because we kind of both moved to New York somewhat around the same time.

When did you move?

Like 95, I think.

So

95.

Right from Kansas, you moved?

No, I was in California.

Right.

Gone to an acting school for a couple of years.

What kind of school?

The American Academy of Dramatic Arts.

It sounds like what do they call it?

What's the shortened version of it?

Adda.

Adda.

Or Adda.

Adda.

I don't know.

There's Ada, Lambda, Rada,

Bada.

I went to Bada, too.

I went to Ada and Bada.

Ada, Bada.

Yeah, I couldn't get into Kata.

That was the next one.

And what did you do there?

Did you do like constant play?

So much theater, Amy.

So much talking about ladder.

Let's have our tea before we talk about it.

Listen to the joyous thip.

You know, the thing about theater is

the thing is, you know, Pinter said once, you know, I remember

Godot.

Oh, I remember we were doing Malfi

at the Round Wharf,

Bobby and I, and we were in between

Guillaume.

We were in between matinee and evening performance.

When I was understudying for Danny in the Deep Blue Sea,

I remember thinking,

if we could have done crimes this way of the heart.

Yes, Yes, yes, no, absolutely.

It's funny you should say that because when Renee Abergenois and I were doing Mattress,

Once Upon A,

we had this exact same conversation about, you know, Mattress, I was doing Once Upon a Mattress.

Tis Pity She's a Whore.

I was in Once Upon a Matt.

By the way, I just buried tis pity she's a whore, which is a real play.

What was your high school musical or play?

High school musical South Pacific.

And you played?

Buzz.

Buzz was just created.

Is in the show?

I think he's in the show.

He's a pilot.

I think he maybe had a couple of lines.

But I loved dramatic films and dramatic actors.

And I thought, oh, and

this is what you're supposed to do.

And so

then I got to college and it was like, oh, I'm studying Shakespeare, which I'd never done before and found that I really liked it.

Yeah.

And what were you doing to make a living during that time?

What was your jobs?

So many jobs.

Yeah.

I was going to school.

i would dj and mc bar mitzvahs and bot mitzvahs that's right i did for that i did that for a while uh because it was i could work on weekends right what was your goat what was the party pumping song what was the song that would get people on the floor

um

um

well c and see music factory yeah oh sure i mean big that was big yeah there was also the just the real fun of uh just a straight up moany moany that billie idol would do uh because

uh come on that part

here she comes now saying mo name monie hey hey now get

laid get fucked and that was like that was i forgot about that get laid get and you would always find like 13 year olds going

they were like finally are you gonna say this and and then i'd look around and see kind of like the grandparents like

so then you go to school, you come to New York.

I went to this acting school in California,

which is where I met Adam, by the way.

That's how we became friends.

Tell us how you met Adam.

You're not cute.

So it was, I was probably...

Adam Scott.

Adam Scott.

I was probably 21, and Adam was maybe 17 or 18 years old.

Maybe I was 22 and he was 18.

And there was like a party.

The school is only like two couple years.

It wasn't big, but

this is, I do remember the first time I met Adam.

And it was

somebody was having a party.

And

we hit it off right away.

We talked.

And I want to say we talked about REM.

And

then

we became pretty tight, pretty good friends not that long after that.

He went there after I did.

And then we did a play together.

Because I graduated from that school and I stayed in California for a few years and then tried to get a play going that one of the teachers, a woman named Diana Stevenson at that school, she had said, let's do this play about Byron and Shelley called Bloody Poetry.

And so it was a small little cast and Adam and I did it together.

You did?

Do you have any recording of that or anything?

I have a recording.

You do.

The play.

Yeah.

And it's the two of you playing Byron and Shelley?

He played Polidori.

He played Buzz.

He played Buzz.

He was the Buzz in

Bloody Poetry.

Did you audition for any John Hughes stuff?

No, that was a little before my time.

Yeah.

I loved it.

I did too.

But I auditioned for different things, and I didn't really get them.

And then, and then

I did audition for Clueless, which was like the John Hughes things.

And I went in, I didn't really get it.

I was reading that script.

I'm like,

oh, this is

like,

oh, a bunch of kids.

huh?

This reminds me a little bit of those movies I used to, I grew up watching.

And then,

and then I got this audition to go in.

And I remember there were other characters.

I'm like, oh,

that's a cool character.

I hadn't seen the character like Christian before, like this.

I liked it.

There was a gay character that was not being made fun of, but it's like kind of the coolest character.

The bar was so low then.

It's like, hey, he's gay and nice.

Yeah.

And it was just like, oh, wow, this is like, I haven't seen this movie really before.

And anyway, anyway, so I went in and I asked to audition for all the different parts.

And then they said, well, what about read for the part that I wound up playing, which is the Josh character.

And so I did.

I didn't really hear anything afterward.

And I remember I had really, I had long hair.

And then a couple weeks later, I wasn't even thinking about it.

I just went to a, I was walking past a barber shop and I just went in.

I said, just buzz my head.

I mean, my hair was down about there.

Wow.

And they went vft and they just went with the clippers, everything.

I I was just like, I just want to cut it all off.

And then a week later, I went into a restaurant and Amy Heckerling, who directed the movie, was

eating there.

And she looked at me and she was like, wait a minute.

She froze.

She goes, what did you do?

What did you do to your hair?

I was like, I select shape.

She was like, she's getting to your hair.

She goes, you were in, you auditioned this part.

We were going to, you were going to, maybe going to get this part, but you can't cut your hair.

I was like, and I was so, I'm like, ah, well, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be.

Like, I wasn't, I was so stupidly kind of cavalier about it.

Yeah.

But then I had to do a screen test for clueless, and they put me in a wig to try and match

what my hair is.

And there is nothing that feels more manly

than when

you're trying to get chemistry

to get like, sweetheart.

And don't pull my hair too much.

Eventually, like enough time had gone by that

anyway, they're like, yeah,

this is not going to work.

Just grow your hair out.

And so they skipped the wig.

And by the time it got to filming, my hair had grown enough that

it worked okay.

That's an amazing story because what it says to me, too, though, and I find this about you as a person, is like, you do not have a grasping energy when it comes to work.

Like you

care about it very much.

It's really important.

You choose things wisely.

You work really hard when you're there.

But I don't get a sense from you that you are,

I don't know, there's a way,

there's a vibe with you and work that feels like a healthy attachment.

It doesn't feel like you're,

what the kids would say, very thirsty.

And therefore, I think people really lean into that and like that.

Would you think that, would you say that's true?

In some regard, yeah.

I don't think, like, I don't feel

competitive with other actors.

I'm a real big fan of a lot of other actors.

I get really excited by people who I

like are talented.

Yeah.

And

I don't think this should be torturous.

I know this is something you and I both really share, which is

this should be fun.

It's a really fun job.

You respond to comedy in the same way I do and that

it

should be a fun experience.

Like, have you had the experience where you're working on something and it's like, it might be funny?

And people say, oh, if you find it funny, it's not going to be funny.

And

it's supposed to be torturous.

Otherwise, it won't work.

If it looks like you're having, if you think it's a blast, it's not going to translate.

And I think I, I...

couldn't disagree with that more.

Agree.

What do you do when you're on a project and you are, and you, someone's either missed?

Like, what's your conflict style?

Because, like, do you get quiet when you're mad?

Do you yell?

I certainly have yelled, my God.

No, stop.

Okay, you yelled.

And don't you dare say anything like that to me.

Okay.

Ever again.

Okay.

Ever.

Okay.

Are we

done with this?

So my conflict style is probably different depending on who I have a conflict with.

Yeah.

And

more often than not,

I'll check out.

That's what I was going to say.

I was going to say, go to sleep.

I'll just be like, I'm so tired.

This is going to be over soon.

If I just get in this bed and just go to sleep.

I'm just going to, I mean, I'm just going to try and, I got to ride this out.

I can't go anywhere.

I got to do this.

I can't get in one of those pods and just deep freeze myself until this gets fixed.

That's exactly right.

Deprivation, sensory deprivation tank.

Okay.

I do want to ask you about our working together because we did it quite a bit.

We worked together quite a bit.

We've been so lucky to work together on so many things.

And we worked on the most, one of the most fun movies, Wet Hot American Summer.

And I think it was fun for a million reasons.

It was fun because we were all in our 30s and we were at a summer camp.

It was fun because a lot of us were, myself included, were like in the beginnings of things.

Yeah, we were all kind of starting off.

We were.

And we had great leaders in Michael Showalter and David Wayne who were kind of like goofing around and

setting the tone, but also serious writers and filmmakers.

We also met a bunch of lifelong friends on that movie.

And it felt very, you know, pre-9-11, frankly.

It was like before

those times.

It just felt like of another era.

Yeah.

And it's like pre, like, I don't even remember having cell phones.

There were no cell phones.

There was a, remember there was a payphone?

Yes.

And everybody would call

up front.

Yeah.

Yeah.

To their

significant others and be like, yeah, I guess I'm up here for another three weeks.

I know.

They changed the schedule.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you remember we had to leave for a week in the middle of shooting?

Because there was an actual camp?

No, because somebody rented it out for a bar mitzvah.

And we all left for a week and they had to come back.

That's afraid.

I forgot about that.

Now, it's kind of legendary.

People know that it rained

25 of the 28 days or whatever the shoot was.

And we had to pretend it was sunny.

Yeah.

And it was freezing cold.

Freezing.

What do you remember about staying warm or the weather when we were shooting wet hot?

I remember.

In those brief moments when it was sunny, we all were like, oh my God.

It was like, what can we film?

what can we do what could yeah but um

you know i remember the opening scene that we did when we were all around the campfire when like when they playing jane yeah that it had been pouring and it was like we're sitting

soaking wet everywhere and freezing it was all freezing it was freezing all the time

i remember the i remember the kind of the clothes we were wearing at the time.

I remember being really grateful.

And this isn't the first time that I'm grateful that, like, I didn't have to wear, you know, like Liz Banks was kind of playing like

the girl who was a little bit more free.

Let's put it that way.

And she had to wear like bikini tops and stuff.

And I remember many times in my life, I had this feeling where I'd be like, I'm so happy that I get to wear like a member's only jacket.

I'm so cold.

Whereas now I run very hot.

But back then, I was so cold.

I mean, and I remember being really grateful that she, I remember remember her having to dance and it being really cold.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I remember going to Salvation Army.

Do you remember that?

We would all head out to Salvation Army.

Yeah.

Because the thing that people didn't know is we worked very little.

Yeah.

And whoever wasn't filming,

because we were, there was a 30-minute drive to Target in the main.

I don't even think it was Target.

I think it was.

It might have been a Walmart.

It was Walmart.

Yeah, yeah.

It might have been pre-Target.

And And whoever wasn't filming had to go buy the beer.

Yes, for the night.

And we were all wearing like kind of, you know, Wellingtons.

And then we would all just hang out and

drink beer.

And

Greg Woodrow played guitar, they have guitars and

play music really loud, really late.

Do you remember David Hyde-Pierce?

Yes.

Coming out to tell us to, can you be a little quieter?

Yeah.

It was his first.

He showed up.

No one, we were all like dumb kids.

Yeah.

Just wanted to have a blast.

But a reminder, we were not kids.

We were in our 30s.

You were late 20s.

I think I was 30.

Yeah, you were late 20s.

I was 30.

And then,

and David Hyper showed up.

He was coming in later, but he was also the, except for Janine, the only one that anyone would really know.

Totally.

He was famous.

And we didn't.

We were all like, what is this guy going to think?

And we are, we all slept in those kinds of like in the infirmary.

Everyone had these little kind of their own little rooms and cots or whatever it is.

And then the main infirmary where we would hang out as a group every night till like one or two in the morning playing music really loud

was the main part.

And I remember it was his first night.

None of us knew him.

And it was like one in the morning and it's so loud.

He's filming the next morning and he's been in his room.

And he probably is rehearsing.

He's doing.

mind.

He's a professional.

He's a professional.

And I remember he came out and then stopped in the doorway.

And we all, it was like,

the needle on the record stopped.

Everyone got quiet.

And we all looked.

And Ken Marino just goes, Oh, great.

It's Frazier.

Do you remember that?

And

David Hyde Pierce is like, What what are you guys doing?

Like he was

so fun.

So fun and cool.

And it was just like, oh, thank God.

Yeah.

He was the nicest, most loveliest guy.

He was the best.

But he definitely was like, what's happening here?

Yeah.

What's going on?

And we were like, oh, none of us are working.

None of us are.

We don't have anything to shoot tomorrow.

Nope.

We're here.

There's no telephones.

And then whoever did have to shoot, we'd all just go watch their scenes.

Just go watch it.

We'd just go watch it.

It was like, it was being a camp.

Yeah, it was.

It really was.

I'm having a Ken Marino memory.

He was watching the, he was, he was watching ER

on a little, like, there used to be these TVs you could hang around your neck.

Do you remember these?

Like, that was almost like a portable TV, but it almost looked like a monitor, like what like Flava Flave would wear, like a big giant clock, but it's a TV and you have the strap around your neck.

That is my memory.

And again, I don't remember things well, but he was watching on a small TV and he came running through the hallway saying, she went back to Clooney.

It was the big moment where, do you remember this?

Where

Julianne Margolis,

Nurse Hathaway, Carol Hathaway, went back to Clooney, like, you know, met him on at his boat.

Spoiler alert.

Met him at his boat in Seattle.

And

he came running with like tears streaming down his face saying, She went back to Clooney.

And we were all

like,

we really did live together for many weeks.

It probably was only like three weeks.

I think it might have been more like five or six.

I mean, it's ridiculous for me.

I mean, with the week that we had off for the Barbetta included.

I think that's, yeah.

Yeah.

And that was Bradley Cooper's first movie.

I think, was it Banks?

Might have been Banks.

Maybe.

Yeah.

And that was just so, there were so many great people.

But I don't remember like filming scenes and everyone's like kind of watching.

Yeah.

You were the one that I would go to and I'm like, was that funny?

Was that kind of what, you know, I really valued your opinion on everything.

And I would go,

I'd say, go back out there, do it again.

Do it again.

I'd say, I didn't feel it.

Ask for another one.

I'd say, yeah.

Paul, you want to ask for another one?

You want to answer.

Okay.

Then we made a movie called They Came Together.

Such a fun movie.

So fun.

For people that haven't seen it, which is probably a lot of people, because it was kind of a small movie.

Yeah.

It was like a fake rom-com.

Yeah.

And

it was taking all the tropes, a David Wayne special, taking all the tropes of like what is funny about those movies.

And

I would say we, we just screened it again.

And we just had like an anniversary.

It was so fun.

Oh, man.

I wish I was fun.

I'm watching it again.

It was like, you are perfectly cast.

I would probably not cast, I would not be cast in a rom-com in that part.

I would be the friend in the rom-com.

I don't think I would be able to pull off the rom-com.

I don't have the symmetry for it.

But

what is so

okay?

Thank you.

But I'm a little slow on that.

Well, I didn't want to interrupt you.

Okay, thanks.

But what is so fun about it is it is so stupid.

This

most stupid,

stupidest movie ever.

And don't forget, in the middle of that movie, there's a it stops to have a music video with Nora Jones who sang the song from that movie that Adam Scott and John Stamos show up and do cameos in because they come to the studio.

Yeah.

The video for the song that's the song

on the soundtrack of the movie is in the middle of the middle of the movie.

And then

Paul Reddy and Amy Polar, the actors show up to be like, what's happening here?

And we're wearing sunglasses.

Yeah.

And a soul patch.

You had a soul patch?

At a soul patch.

But it's like, yeah, us in our street clothes.

In our street clothes.

And then our buddies also come to like play with some of the buttons.

Yeah, they're in this

mixing boards.

And we're just like hanging out, goofing around with Nora Jones.

Professional.

Professional.

Incredible musician.

Yeah.

And then after the video ends, it just goes right back to the movie.

Yeah.

How did this movie get made?

It's so dumb.

It's so fun to watch again.

It is so dumb.

I mean, and I know we share that, like that feeling of dumb.

It's like, I can't, it's hard to to explain that feeling of, I mean, well, I guess everyone understands it, that feeling that you have with your friends when something is so stupid

and so funny.

I think it is truly like the

opposite of your own mortality.

Like it feels like you'll live forever when you're laughing at dumb.

Does that make sense?

It makes total sense.

It's the greatest.

It's

and that endorphin.

Yes.

Everything just kicks in and you're like, oh, oh,

this entire

life is absurd yes all of this that's right everything the absurdity of existence yeah what are you listening to watching what do you what makes you laugh right now all kinds of different things i suppose um

When people talk about like comedy specials and stuff, I always say, oh, have you seen Patrice O'Neill Elephant in the Room?

That's one of my favorites.

It's so funny.

It's like the fact that Patrice O'Neill, that we lost Patrice O'Neill when we did, where I feel like he was on the verge of just being the guy,

is just heartbreaking.

I think he was just so funny.

I feel that way about Bernie Mac, too.

Yeah.

Really, really, really funny.

Gone too soon.

And

that's one of my favorites.

One of the things I just kind of always seem to watch.

I mean, I like little memes and things that get passed around, like the guy jumping into the pool that it's frozen over and he doesn't know it.

He just like wipes out.

That kind of stuff is people falling.

Forget it.

I love it.

But

I love,

I always go back to

news bloopers.

Oh, God.

Let's just watch.

Hold on.

Let's just watch a few.

Great.

Do you have any that you remember that like I can Google?

Well, you know, there are these, there's just something so beautiful and great about people that

they,

it's the news.

It's serious.

And when something goes wrong you know the gay blind one that one is that's that is that is that is the most important thing that is the simple that is the i've watched that so many times it's what four seconds

okay the blind it is mountain climber right after the break we're gonna interview eric wyhen mayor who climbed the highest mountain in the world mount everest but he's gay i mean he's gay excuse me he's blind so we'll hear about that coming okay as we head to the break a little okay okay okay and as we head to the break break,

and you know,

wait a minute.

Because

you know in

her, like, oh boy, I just messed up.

And he is like, I'm just going to pretend that didn't happen.

Okay.

Okay.

So, oh, my God.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Blind.

He's blind.

So I.

I love bloopers.

Bloopers?

I feel like you grew up with bloopers.

Nothing.

When I see people really laughing and really like, there's in those news bloopers, there's one, there's one, it's these two guys.

They're speaking a language I don't understand.

Okay.

It's like, I don't know what.

By the way, some of the ones in that like news in other countries.

Oh, I don't even think to look for that.

I'm going to.

I'll go in.

I'm going to go like best news bloopers of 2023 or 22.

I've seen them all.

Like global news bloopers.

That's what I'm finding right now.

I will watch those over and over again.

But there's like one where these two guys, and somebody says something, and I don't know what he's saying, but the other guy says it, and he starts laughing, and they both start laughing.

And they are crying, and they're on the ground crying.

And I don't know what the hell they're talking about.

And I'm tears

because there's

God, I do love it.

God, I love that.

Why do we love it?

I mean, I mean, because there's something, it's the opposite of pretension.

It's pure joy.

It's, uh, there's, it's defenseless.

There, it's like, it's, it's the purest.

It's celebratory.

My wife has said before, and this is such a good idea.

She goes, they should have, like in hospitals when people are getting,

going for like chemotherapy or whatever, and they're sitting in the chair for hours, they should have on screens all around just bloopers from people laughing.

That is a great idea.

It's a great idea.

It's a great idea.

And I agree.

Like, if I see people laughing really, really hard,

I'm done.

I love it.

I love it so much.

It's the greatest.

Me too.

Speaking of laughing really hard, and speaking, I think, of a show that did help a lot of people during hard times, you were on Parks and Rec.

You only did five episodes.

Do you know that?

I know.

But you played a character that stood the test of time.

I mean,

I mean, if only, if only we had Bobby Newport, just a guy who wants to be liked.

Yeah.

And who.

I know, if only, right?

I mean, Bobby at the time means well, just doesn't quite grasp any of it.

He wants to go to the after party.

Yeah.

Bobby Newport, played by you, was the like the rich son of the

Sweedum's family, the family, the Newports that owned the big factory in the fictional town of Pawnee.

That Parks and Wreck took place.

And Bobby Newport ran against Leslie.

And

it was like what Bobby had that Leslie could never get was that

Gee Wiz, like, I can't believe I fell into this.

Like, I just want to have a good time, you guys.

Yeah.

I think that's even a line

that asks how Bobby feels about abortion.

Oh, yeah, right.

What did he say about abortion?

What's my thoughts on abortion or just like, I want everybody to have a good time?

Just want everybody to have a good time.

I mean, come on, guys.

What?

And Bobby kept getting flustered by Leslie wanting it because he wants it.

Like there's that great scene where he's like, can you just drop out of the race?

Cause I want it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I want it.

I want it.

Come on.

Please.

You could do it.

Just do it.

Come on.

And people are like, I don't know.

I love the guy.

He's great.

And he doesn't seem to want it.

Yeah.

And he doesn't know anything, but neither do I.

That's, you know.

Leslie Nope is capable and great for that job.

Bobby Newport is not.

No.

And Bobby was, I think, was thinking, like, maybe I'll just get it.

And then Leslie, you can do it.

Yeah.

How about that?

That's a good compromise.

What are your memories of doing that character?

It was such a funny character.

You were so great.

Thank you, Amy.

My memories of that were, I can't believe I get to work with my favorite people in the world.

You and Adam and Catherine and Rashida.

And like,

it was like, this is the dream.

I mean, this is the, you know, I remember when you were talking to Tina on the very first episode you did where you were saying you feel like the how

the great thing that can happen if you are able to sustain enough of a career that you can get to a point where you work with your friends or you get to work with people you really like because it's not work it's just it's it's just the best and i mean it was such a fun character obviously and the show is so great and you're so great in it um it was it was it was just

it was a dream.

It was a dream.

And, you know, and I was,

I loved it.

I loved every second of it.

I loved hanging out with all you guys.

It was so fun.

It was really fun.

It was.

And that, and it was, those scenes were so funny.

Like he got, you got to do the stupidest, talk about fun, stupid.

It's the stupidest stuff.

Yeah.

Well, there's nothing.

There's nothing funnier to me than unearned confidence.

Yeah.

Like just,

somebody who feels like they've, you know, it's like, I've got it figured out.

And it's like, no, you don't.

Yeah.

But, but if it's, and if it's,

if it's like nice unearned, like if it's fun, it's really funny if it's not nice unearned confidence.

But

that was the thing of like

he had a lot of kind of unearned confidence, but he had, he was just dumb.

Yeah, he wanted to have a good idea.

He was sweet, though, but he's a nice.

He was sweet.

He was sweet.

And that, and, and that was, and that,

a fun, that was kind of, that's a fun thing to get to play.

That's a fun kind of character to get to play.

Would we describe him as like guileless?

Is that the word?

Yeah, I think that's a good way to do it.

Yeah, there's, yeah.

I know that word.

So just wanted to.

That's a really good.

By the way.

Of course you do.

Fucking great word.

Anyway, he's a fucking great word.

Fucking great word.

Damn.

You know,

it also was really cool to watch you and Adam in a scene in scenes together because have you been in a lot of stuff together?

Not a ton of stuff.

No, and it wasn't.

It's weird.

weird.

He's like my

kind of like my closest, oldest friend.

And

we have, but we haven't done a ton of stuff together.

Like, would you ever do a movie together?

I'd love it.

You should.

He's such a good actor.

He is.

He's a really, I mean, clearly, everyone's obviously

recognizing me.

And they've known this before.

I'd say that to him in real time when he was acting.

I'd be like, you're acting so good.

And he'd be like, shut up.

We're in the middle of the scene.

But I'd be like, you're acting so good.

Well, he's like, he's one of, you know,

he's so good.

And he really can

play very complex emotional scenes.

Yeah.

And you really kind of know what that character is thinking.

And then, but then he also has a way of being able to kind of remove this, have this kind of emotionless

removal of what he, whatever he's doing.

That's really interesting, which plays into severance, I think, very well.

And you can do that too.

To be a movie star, you have to be able to make your face still.

You have to be able to just like get the machine on like neutral, like

for everyone to project.

And it's, he's very good.

It's like a Greek mask kind of thing.

And so Adam is great at that.

And the one thing that I always thought with Adam,

like when I met him, is

he's the funniest.

He's got the driest, kind of most irreverent

sense of humor.

I mean, it was, that's how we became friends because of just, we liked a lot of the same kind of jokes and things like that.

I just watched the severance finale and and I texted him.

I was like, You are so good at acting.

And then he was like, Oh, thanks.

I'm glad you watch it.

And I was like, There was so much running.

Like, I haven't seen it yet.

I haven't seen the, I haven't seen it.

I've seen the finale.

No.

So, uh, it hasn't been spoiled.

No, I'm staying away from everything.

I don't look at my phone.

I don't do it.

You know, I'm-that's why you can't be on TikTok.

If you're in TikTok, you got about an hour.

Yeah.

And then it's like,

there's audios made of what you have.

And I know.

I know.

So, yeah, I've been able to avoid all that.

And I've told him, I'd be like,

I haven't reached out to you yet.

Because

I haven't seen it yet.

And you're just edging.

You're not going to watch the finale.

By the way, I'm not going to really watch season two.

You're like, oh, we'll see.

I'll tell him he was great in it.

Anyway,

but

he really is terrific, and you know that better than anybody.

Well, this is a perfect segue to male friendship.

Okay.

Because

you have so

let's chug.

Hold on.

Let's chug our teeth.

Chug it.

I mean,

this was, that is such a good thing.

Bang them out.

Let's get some, let's get six more teeth.

I got to cover this.

So you're, so for a sponsorship, no one knows what I'm drinking.

You can't see any labels.

You can't know.

The inside of my mug is filled with labels.

I lose that cap in case someone figures out.

And then, by the way, this is some, I should say, this is my.

Oh my God, Paul's Paul's peeing under the desk.

Look, this is a long podcast, and I don't want to walk away and interrupt the flow, so to speak.

Have you ever done that, like on a trip, peed in a bottle?

Never.

I have, really?

That's great to hear.

Because, you know, you are, I mean, you're, there's not a lot of straight men.

Like, you're the first sort of.

Well, I guess I, I guess there's a few.

But

you are a straight white male.

I mean, so

I feel seen.

So, how's that going for you?

Because it's, you know, it's not easy.

I mean, by the way, straight white male in his 50s.

I mean,

now's our time.

But you guys get to pee in bottles

on the road.

That is true.

It is one of the good things.

You do.

You get to pee in bottles.

You get to do a lot of like, you know.

Yeah, pee in a bottle.

Straight white men get to pee in bottles.

And up until just five minutes ago, that was okay.

And now people are like, maybe don't throw your pee bottles out on the street.

And

straight white males were like, fine.

Whatever.

Whatever.

Howard Hughes did it.

But

straight, you have a movie about two men and the friendship between them with the great Tim Robinson.

And it's called Friendship.

Yeah.

And it is, I got to watch it.

You did?

Yes, I watched a screener.

I'm trying to do my homework as a podcast person.

God, you're good.

And it's so tiring.

Oh, movies are so long.

They're like two hours.

Yeah.

By the way, everything's long, and having to do it, even if it's like something you're interested in with people you know, or like it's all work.

Yeah.

But I did really want to watch the movie, I have to say, because

I love you.

I love Tim.

I loved Tim is.

And Andy DeYoung is awesome.

Isn't he great?

He's great.

And the director and writer.

And

it is a movie.

It is such a good movie about the loneliness epidemic of men and the attempt at making a friend and then like what goes wrong.

Right.

Like how I mean, it's about missing, I mean, it's Tim, Tim at his Timist, which is like he's missing the clues and he's getting them wrong.

I know.

And you play this really,

really funny,

like he's kind of a

tender-hearted nerd.

He's not as cool as you think he is as you learn.

No,

not at all.

Okay, friendship, though.

You've done a couple movies about that.

Yeah.

One thing that I feel like

I've always had, like I've

been good at in my life is picking friends.

It's the one thing that even like when I was in grade school, and I didn't, I was not like the, oh, I'm friends with everybody.

Like I was not that kid at all.

But

I could, I think I had, I could recognize like nice people.

And so my whole life,

all my friends were, they were kind of funny and nerdy in all the ways you want your friends to be nerdy and

decent.

And

so

I just want to like, you know, it's like you want to hold on to the people you care about.

And And the other thing, too, is, you know, you and I were talking about this.

I think,

in a way,

we live weird lives because they're public lives and it can be a little overwhelming.

And, you know,

with the noise of the world and the noise of this job and everything else, is you kind of want your world to be smaller.

Each year that goes by, I just kind of want it smaller.

And I want

the important stuff to count.

And to me, the most important stuff that I've learned, probably because I'm now 55 years old, is that,

oh, the pinnacle, the height of it is just being with the people that I love and really laughing with like a bunch of friends.

It's the greatest.

It's the best thing there is.

And so that is,

I just always try and cultivate that.

Well, we tried to cultivate it by

talking to your friend John Hamp today.

So we have another longtime friend.

I know.

I've known John longer than I've known Adam.

And it sounds like you were a big brother to both.

Like you're a couple years older than both, right?

So we do this thing where we talk, we kind of talk well behind somebody's back

and try to figure out stuff that they think I should ask you.

So we talked to Ham before you came in today and John Hamm from

Mad Men.

And for those five people that don't know who I'm talking about.

And let me just explain what he was doing when we spoke to him.

He was wearing a white tuxedo, his own.

He was on the set of a movie, which I think you might also have a part in at some point.

Or

maybe we'll see.

Yep.

He was working on a film.

And he was...

getting off of a hot air balloon that he had just been on.

And he spoke to us in the 10 minutes before he had to go do another take.

And so he spoke to us as he got on the hot air balloon about about you.

Oh my God.

That's amazing.

That's incredible.

Incredible.

And he was really sweetly talking about the first time you met.

Long hair.

You had your long hair.

You had your jean jacket.

And you remember what was painted on it?

Yeah, that I had painted on the back of it?

Patrick Nagel.

Yeah.

You had painted it.

I painted it.

Okay.

I'm like, I need this.

I want to get a good acid wash jean jacket, but it needs a Patrick Nagel print on the back, and I'm just going to have to paint it myself.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

He remembers that.

He was like, he was the coolest guy ever.

And

he was talking about how you guys met.

And it was very sweet because it made me think about both Adam and John and you have known each other a really long time.

I've known John since he was,

I want to say maybe about 16 years old.

What was a 16-year-old?

little ham, although was he ever short?

No, he was all, he might have been 17, 16, 17, around there.

He was,

we'll talk about the coolest guy in the room.

It was not me.

I recognized that in him right away.

He was really handsome.

He was smart.

He was

athletic.

He was all of these things.

And I know all of this because he was friends with the girl that I liked.

That he was, and that was how I was he with the girl?

Yeah, they were, they used to go out.

And then they, he and then they were, yeah, but they knew each other for years and years,

way before me.

And,

but I was always a little bit like,

okay, this guy.

Yeah.

Oh, how do I compete with that guy?

And you're like, I'm going to grow my hair.

Yeah.

And I'm going to get her away from that jock.

Yeah.

I'm going to.

Yeah.

I'm going to grow my hair.

Like, she's going to look at my hair and go, wait a minute.

Do you know Michael Hutchins?

It's funny that you say that because Ham described you as Michael Hutchins.

Michael Hutchins.

Well, that's

high praise.

But I like what you're doing.

You're like, I'm going to go the other way.

I'm going to to go.

I'm going to be the art, art guy.

Well, I was, you know, I was certainly drawn to that.

And I think that was probably because I didn't have the ability to be the other guy.

Because Ham was the sports guy?

Ham was like, Ham was sports and he was just, you know, I remember we were, we, I have such a vivid memory of all of us playing Trivial Pursuit.

And

I'm just meeting John.

The girl that he was friends with, that I was dating at the time.

We're all playing.

She, We're playing in teams, and he would roll and immediately go, Oh, sweet.

I'm going to go to history.

I'll go to yellow.

Oh, yeah, that's a power move.

And then it's not arts, not pink.

Not pink.

I'm going to entertainment every time.

Of course.

Of course.

And he's like, questions about Dallas.

This guy is going to yellow.

Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, it's like he gets a question, what's the biggest lake in Africa?

He's like, Victoria.

Yep.

That's a pie.

That's a pie piece.

And I'm sitting there going,

Then he goes over to green like a real asshole.

Yeah, yeah.

You're going to be science and nature.

Are you?

Are you going to be that guy?

And so I was so kind of,

here's what I do remember afterward, after that game, I'm like, I should probably like read, read some atlases.

I thought I read an atlas.

To know about the world, to know where countries are.

Yeah.

Because this younger guy.

Yeah.

who is clearly superior.

And was, I probably, did he, was he, you were dating that?

Yeah, but they were friends.

So I was a little threatened.

Wow, that's so, and, and I want to get this girl on.

Well, we eventually became like, you know, obviously, uh, after a while, and it's a longer story, but we did become really, really tight and really good friends.

Yeah.

Um, and uh, and it's great.

And we've been really great friends since I know you all are.

One of the things that really makes me laugh, you go like, what makes me laugh?

And it is, and I have told this story, and I have nothing to do with this story, but it's when you got the news about your doctor and he was hosting SNL.

The best.

It's, it's so smart.

And do you, you tell me?

Yes.

I, I mean, I, I think he has also told it a lot too.

So I, you know, uh, but um,

John Ham was the host and, and you hosted like two weeks after, right?

Yeah,

not that long after.

Yeah, yeah.

That was 2008.

I was pregnant with my son, Archie.

Ham was the host.

I was supposed to deliver the baby on Sunday.

So I thought I was going to do the show on Saturday and then deliver the baby the next day.

Like, wow.

True, psycho.

Like, I just thought, like, well, this makes sense.

And I'll have the baby on Sunday.

And I learned my first of many lessons of like your kids are on their own schedule and they don't work with you.

But we rehearsed all day on Friday.

I was in nine sketches or something that week.

Six days before before I had done the palin wrap, I was still feeling pretty good.

John was the host for the first time.

Friday,

we're shooting like a madman pre-tape.

I get a call that my OBGYN has passed away, a wonderful doctor who was in his 80s, who was this incredible doctor.

He passed away and I burst out crying on the phone.

And when you see a very, very pregnant person, hysterically crying, it's very scary.

And the whole crew gets really quiet and I go behind a partition to talk and I find out the news and I come out and everyone's like, are you okay?

And I said, oh my god, my my OBGYN just died.

He just died, passed away of a heart attack last night.

And it gets really quiet and Ham leans in and says to me,

this is a really big deal.

And I need you to get your shit together.

This is the first time I'm hosting.

And I need you to...

Fucking

week for me.

You gotta pull it together.

You gotta pull it together.

And I go from crying to laughing so hard that, you know, like squirts, like squirt tears come out.

And I start laughing, like clapping and laughing.

And it was, and it was so fun and funny.

And,

and again, a great example of like life is, like, life is what you say it is, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, it's, life is what you make it and what you say it is.

And he made me laugh so hard.

And I went into labor that night.

And I, I think a lot of it was that.

Because of the emotional role,

the release of that.

And I think that's, it's also not just a testimony to him, to you, that he knew

that it's like, you're going to find this funny.

Yeah.

And it's because that's because that's you.

Yeah.

I mean, he was so great in that episode.

And in fact,

Seth Meyers and Lonely Island have a great podcast about, you should check that out, about that ham episode.

It's really good.

And they talk about all that stuff happening and how everyone had to fill in and Seth had to do update alone and it was like this incredible night.

I remember.

And he did the.

I know.

Incredible night.

Yeah.

And

yeah, and kind of a big day for me too.

Because I delivered a baby.

Wait, what?

Yeah.

Not to brag.

Not to brag.

But

Ham wanted me to ask you this before we go.

Do you still worry about doing a good job every time you're acting?

Like, you know, and I think the deeper question there was like when you get to a point where you can approach a job without that worry about whether or not it's going to go well or you're going to do well.

Are you there?

And if so, how did, how and when did you get there?

Yeah, no, no.

I still worry.

I sometimes think like, I think I'm getting worse at this.

If you can get worse at this.

Directors, listen up.

Yeah.

No,

there are times when, you know, it's such a, it's a strange thing where it's like sometimes on one day day or something, you feel like, oh,

this is, uh,

I got it, I know how to do this.

I feel like I've really kind of figured some things out.

Just I've, I've got my,

at this point, way more than 10,000 hours in.

And, um, and then other times you're like,

wow, I'm not, I don't, I can't do that.

I don't know how to do this.

And I don't, and it's the, the mystery of it is

a little

frustrating and bewildering.

And so I do feel,

like I don't have a handle on it all the time, but I do feel

also more relaxed about aspects of it.

I know how some of this stuff kind of just the

technical sides of things, how they work.

I understand editing.

I understand

how like I can it like I can do a scene.

It's like I'm picturing it as how the editor will see it or a director and where you would do a cut point.

And these kind of certain things you just learn over time.

But I don't, but I don't ever feel 100%

comfortable.

I don't, I don't think.

Do you ever watch a scene and think, I wish I did that differently?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Certainly.

And you have that thing on the like they drive home.

You're like, oh, why didn't I, you know, say that?

Or

um, I have a scene in Wet Hot that makes me think of that.

Is when the scene where we're like out in the town.

I remember, like, um, we're all supposed to be like, you know, it's that joke that we go out in the town for the day for the hour.

That's right.

We go out for the hour and then we all turn into you know, drug addicts, basically.

By the end, we're in, we're in a you're sitting next to the crackhead,

and we're smoking crack at the end of the hour.

Um, and I, I,

I sometimes, especially early on, and maybe still, there's just times when I went pretty big.

And,

you know, I think, I think back and I just think like, I wish I just like dialed things down a little bit.

I just, I made some choices.

Sometimes they worked, but sometimes they just, I, it would have been maybe

that's one scene that I look at.

I'm like, I wish I had just gone a little smaller and I think it would have been funnier.

Is there anything that comes to mind that you yes, here's what I would say to that, though.

I think you're wrong.

And.

What are you going to say?

I'm right.

What are you going to say?

I think you're hilarious in that scene.

Thank you.

But

it's a little big.

It's a little big.

I

sometimes think, you know, people say less is more.

Sometimes more is more.

And

it doesn't, you go big if it's like coming from a...

a real place.

I think that was, you were hilarious.

Please stop yelling at me.

And don't you ever look at me.

Okay.

Amy,

look at me.

I am.

I don't want to.

I'm looking at you.

Okay.

You're not looking at me.

You're looking at the table.

I'm looking at you.

You're not.

This eye is kind of looking at me, and that eye is looking at the

times.

I think I go too big.

I'm worried.

That is such a, that is such a good.

God, you still surprise me.

I don't think I've seen you do that.

It's like that, just, just the weird thing.

Or you just look right over there.

It's like doing that weird thing.

It's like there's no real,

there's no, there's nothing particularly like specific about it.

It's like something's off, but you don't really know.

I don't know what you're talking about.

You know, it's like you, yeah, like that is.

That is, you've clearly, like, you need corrective lenses, but you're not wearing them.

Just my, when I get tired, my eye gets a little

wonky eye.

And you look like.

I just have a thing with my lips.

You got a little surgery?

You just got a little.

It's not that I got a little surgery.

It's maybe that I need a little surgery.

I love you, Paul.

Thank you for doing this so much.

It means so much.

Thank you for doing it.

Oh, my God.

I'm so happy

to do it.

You're great at it.

Check out Friendship Coming Out in theaters?

No.

There's no theaters.

No theaters.

Theaters.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

They still exist.

I don't know if people go.

No.

They don't go.

I'll tell you, though.

No.

They should go for

you.

Look, you know me.

Why do I want to go in my living room on my couch?

I don't promote anything.

It's the lamest thing ever.

I don't ever want to talk about it.

We didn't even have to talk about this.

But I will say, Tim Robinson is freaking hilarious.

He really is kind of the guy.

Hilarious.

I got to see this movie.

in a theater with people and I was like, oh my God, I forgot what it's like to see something that like everyone is laughing at, like

having that kind of shared experience.

And it was really, it was,

it made me so happy and also kind of and like nostalgic.

Yeah.

And like almost sad.

Yeah.

It's like, oh yeah, this used to exist.

Remember, like, well, I still love this too.

When you watch previews, and there's always some joker that's like, no, thanks.

Yeah.

And I was like,

you know, like, God, I love that.

Even just someone going like, woo.

I

I remember as a teenager seeing Footloose.

Oh, I saw that in the theater eight, seven or eight times.

I saw it in the theater.

It was so good.

I went back and watched it the next night.

I went twice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So many times that movie in the theater.

I got to get Kevin Bacon on here.

Oh, you got.

You got to.

Footloose is Ren McCormick in the

so I remember this scene where John Lithgow

hits

his daughter.

Oh, Lori Singer.

Lori Singer and hits her.

And then it's shocking.

And it cuts to the next scene, and he feels terrible.

And he's saying to his wife, Diane Weist,

I've never hit anyone in my entire life.

And somebody in the back row goes, liar.

And the entire theor

lost their shit.

And I was crying.

Like, that's the funniest thing.

Liar.

Liar.

And

to this day, I still think of it.

Yeah.

And it's like I was 14 years old, whatever, however old I was, maybe older than that, but like,

you don't get that at home on your couch.

You don't get it at home.

You don't get it.

That's what, Paul and I want to encourage people to shout out at the movie theater.

That's right.

That's what I'm saying.

Say whatever you want.

You know what?

You know, the fabric of society is fraying.

Just say, do it.

Say whatever you want.

And look, if you can't think, if you're in the movie theater with people and you can't think of something to say, just get on your phone, Google some things.

Look, scroll.

Or shine up or take your, put your flashlight on and try to find somebody else who's enjoying that.

Yeah, yeah.

Go like, hey, what should we yell out?

Yes.

Or, you know, if you're like, if you really like something, run up to the front.

Yes.

And stand in front of the screen and go, I really like this.

How about this?

What do you guys think?

Anything to get you there.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

I can't wait to go to the movies.

All right.

Love you, Paul.

You're the best.

Thank you for doing this.

You know, I realize with both John Hamm and Paul Rudd, I mentioned Janine Garofflo, who was one of my first friends in New York.

And like I said, kind of the first person that I met who I had seen on TV first.

And,

you know, I just want to remind everybody to take a listen and a watch.

Janine has done so much great comedy and remains such a sharp and funny,

deeply

interesting, curious person who is, you know, still performing and still,

you know, she's just like a Gen X legend, Janine.

We used to care about selling out.

And she never did.

And

Janine was always so kind and so helpful to a lot of young young comedians and actors and people, myself included.

She was

instrumental for a lot of us in, you know, I don't know, feeling cool and feeling like we were part of a club.

So watch Truth About Cats and Dogs, watch Rome and Michelle, um, you know, uh, Reality Bites, um, watch the Larry Sanders show.

Janine is just consistently good and such a good actor and so funny.

And, um,

I just I'm just feeling nostalgic for our times together and maybe hope she wants to come here and talk to me.

So thank you for listening to another episode and we will see you soon.

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The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Poehler.

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