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Okay, this is episode 73. 72 was Uptown Sports Club.
We talked about the British or plumbing.

We talked about HTML, Traveling Without Bags, Alamo Draft House, the Iron Claw versus Iron Giant, and tech support barrier of entry. But that was all last time.

Union Jack Plumbing does not have a website. I tried to link there on anarchymeanthing.com.
Also, you have to go to www.anarchyme. Oh, does the other one not work?

Well, the other one's owned by TorGuard, I think. Oh, I got to update that.
Yeah, you got to tell Torguard. Thanks.
No one told me. Yeah, thank you.
I just found out. No,

I'll fix that. So I had to link to Union Jack's Yelp page

because they didn't have a website for me to link to. Oh, damn.
Oh, and I got to also link our story. I got a lot of work to do on that.
I've just fallen behind. Good morning, Gus.
Good morning.

Yeah, it's like that's why I didn't want to make a website. It's a lot of work.

Do you see some clever little dickhead posted on our message board that they have reported us to ICANN for being an ugly website to have our

website removed.

That doesn't work. I found out.
Yeah, good lugo. That

earlier before we started, we were talking about.

Are you talking about the movie thing? Yeah. Can I set that up? Because I feel like that's kind of a story.
Yeah, go for it. It's a story?

Yeah, because it's relevant to a story we've told in the past.

So if you're like someone who's listened to our podcasts in the past or some of the other stuff that we've put out,

there's this story about how when we went to E3, I want to say it was in 2001, we were out late one night and

Bernie wanted to go to Vegas, and I did not want to go to Vegas. No.
Yeah. And

I just kept saying, like, just let me out. Y'all can go to Vegas.
Not a big deal. I'm giving a very quick summary.
And he was like, no, no, no. We were in a minivan.

He's like, I'm going to drive us all to Vegas. Like, I don't want to go to Vegas.
Just let me out. I'll get a cab.
It's before Uber, right? Why did we have a minivan? I don't know.

And I was like, I'll get a cab. I'll go back to the hotel.
And then he just kept pushing it. And we were in the parking lot of a Del Taco.

And I said, listen, don't say Vegas anymore if you say vegas one more time i'm gonna get out of this van and i'm gonna leave and he did this thing where he tested me he's pushing the line he turned around looked me dead in the eye and said if i say vegas one more time you're gonna leave and it's that thing where it's like uh-huh i'm being pushed and i said i gave my threat and now if i don't act on it i'm full of shit he's like i've been pushed to this point so i got out of the van and i left i like ran down the street to 7-Eleven.

I ran down the street?

Pulled out some cash, got a cab, found a different hotel. Whatever.
It's the whole thing. So you can go listen to RTP.
There's an animated adventure about it.

So last night, or not last night, the other night, I just had the TV on and Big Lebowski was on.

And I was like using my laptop or something. It was just on in the background.
And it's that scene where the dude goes to pick up Walter before they do the money drop. It's fairly early in the movie.

He picks him up outside of subject security. And I just happen to look up at the TV and I see like...

I see the shopping center, the strip mall, and I think, yeah, it looks kind of familiar, but all strip malls in LA kind of look the same.

It looks more familiar to you than me because I never left the vehicle. I never, I was in and out of Del Taco eating a burger 10 minutes later going, what do you guys think Gus is going to do?

You spent some time there. Yeah, but I saw there was a Del Taco across the street.
When you pulled in, I was like, oh, weird. That looks like the Del Taco that I stormed out of.

So I looked up the filming location on Google Maps and I was like, oh, shit,

that's the Del Taco. from that story.

So if you watch Big Lebowski, the scene where Walter picks up, or where the dude picks up Walter for the money drop, and you see the Del Taco across the street in the background.

That's the Del Taco I stormed out of all those years ago. Got back to the hotel later that night, Eric.
And Gus and I used to share rooms back in the day. Sometimes we had to share the same bed.

We'd sleep head to toe.

What?

No, we wouldn't.

We'd also sleep head to head. That's fine.
We'd sleep head to head.

We slept head to toe before. We've done them both.

We've done them both. But we also slept head to head.
Do you know why we stopped sleeping head to head? Why? Because I woke up one night and he was cuddling me. He was big spooning me.
Is that right?

Yeah. Like nuzzling his beard in the back of my neck.
No, you didn't even push back. You weren't even going to be like,

100% true. 100%.
I woke up and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He's like,

chin,

like rubbing in the back of my neck.

So I was like, we're head to toe now. So then I was just cuddling with his cock every time.

Jimmy will still line up. They covered that in the sign film.

I got back to the hotel room that night and there was a note on our pillow because, you know, we shared the bed that just said, CN Austin, Gus.

It was great.

I tried to call the airline that night and get a flight out of LA back to Austin, but I couldn't. That's why I ended up going to another.
Anyway, all this has been talked to death.

It's been really detailed in another episode of a different one. But this is the nostalgia podcast.
That's what we're supposed to do. No kidding.
The audience gets mad when we start

stories and then stop it and say we've already told it before.

They want us to be more of a Bernie where we just tell the same four stories over and over and over and over again until people beg us to stop.

I guess we need to find that line. But anyway, Eric was like,

you were just watching Big Lebowski, and I said, oh, Big Lebowski is one of Gus's movies.

And you go, oh, really? And Gus goes, I don't know if it's one of my movies. And I go, no, that's one of your movies.
And then I go, you got a few.

And Gus goes, I'd be really interested to hear what you think my movies are.

And then, yeah. And then Eric said, stop talking.
Shut up. Hang on.
Lucky hit with me.

I'm going to give you four Gus movies. Okay.

All right. Big Lebowski.
Okay. Rushmore.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Go.

I enjoy Go quite a bit. I have not re-watched that in a few years, so I put that one on the cusp.
Yeah, but I did like Go. You fucking, you would never shut up about it.

I watched it at Violet Crown not too long ago. Really? Yeah, how does it hold up? Oh, it was bad 10 years ago.
So it did.

It is the distillation of the 1990s in one film where it is, hey, we're going to get these people whose careers are like on an upswing or on a downturn. And there's all these intersecting stories.

And we go to the blank title card. And the soundtrack is like this.
And it's just, and it's Doug Lima. It's all of it is the next thing and the next thing.

And it's just man 1999 you want to know what the 90s were watch go dude it is it was sold you can you can tell it's totally it's sold on timothy oliphant being

shirtless in a santa hat and uh katie homes giving that monologue about christmas

that those are the things that sold it and they went fuck we got to write a whole script now yeah I uh that's one of the few times when Gus and I walked out of a movie and I went, that sucked.

And Gus went, that was awesome. And I was like, oh,

we are not seeing eye to eye on this one. We saw it with Bernie and you and Bernie both hated it.
Yeah. And I thought it was really good.
I like it at the time in 1999.

But anyway, yeah, I can understand why you would say it's one of my movies. The fourth movie that I'll throw in there.
This is another old one. Run Lola Run.

Oh, I actually just re-watched that recently. They are, I thought, I think they're showing it at Albert.
They are. Yeah.

They're using it a lot in the promos. That's a really good movie.
Plus,

bonus for that movie. That movie's like 65 minutes long.

What I used to, or 70 minutes long, what I used to do is I had the DVD for it. I would put it on and then like, that's how long I would clean my apartment.

I would hit play, clean my apartment, and then when the movie was over, it's like, I know I cleaned my apartment for an hour. Like, it was like, it was like a good timing.

It's like when you listen to a song to brush your teeth. Right.
Yeah. It's like, it was like, that's the amount of time when I was like 20 or 21.

It's like, that's the amount of time I need to clean in order to not be disgusting. For the record, I'm not still listening to a song to brush my teeth.
I was like seven when I did that.

For the record, I don't do that anymore either. I was like, it was like living on my own for the first time.

How'd they do? Those are my favorite things. Those are good.
Those are really good.

I think Go is the weakest one just because I haven't seen that in a while, but I did like that movie a lot when it came out. So yeah, those are good.

I was talking with Chris the other day. Well, not the other day.
It was actually several months ago.

How old are you? 46?

Yeah, about to be 46. A couple months is the other day.
Yeah, you're fine.

And

I know he's a big Rushmore fan. And I asked him, have you ever seen Ghost World? And he said, no, he hadn't.
Oh, I should have mentioned Ghost World. Ghost world

he's never seen that's another one of your movies

and I was like you really should watch it for me Ghost World and Rushmore are like companion movies they're they're very similar but different experiences depending on you know

your your childhood I guess your tolerance of racism

and I think that those two movies go together very well

and so Ghost World's another movie that I really like quite a bit yeah I completely forgot about Ghost World yeah

and I think that's a

it will, you know, obviously it wasn't very, I don't think it was a very big hit when it came out. And I think it's always been kind of a small movie, but I think that movie is incredible.

I think people who like it really like it. People who see it really like it.
Oh, yeah. If you haven't seen Ghost World, go watch it.
What are your movies, Eric?

Boy, my favorite movie is Major League.

So that's definitely like way, way, way up there.

That's one where I'll watch it no matter what. Oh, Conair.

I don't like Conair, but boy,

when it's on cable,

not turning the channel. It's fucking, I'm locked in on Conair.
I watched Conair and The Rock a couple months ago. I was like, I want to go back and like

rewatch some of those old movies. Gavin was telling me that he wants me, him, and TPG to get together to watch The Rock, the best Bond movie of all time.

It's fucking great.

I've seen the last five minutes of so many movies in the last couple years because right before

Pro Wrestling comes on TNT or TBS or whatever, right before AEW comes on, they're ending a movie and it's the one where it's like, I've seen the last five minutes of The Accountant starring Ben Affleck two dozen times at least.

So I wouldn't call that my movie, but the last five minutes is up there. It's pretty good.
Does TBS still do that thing where they start things five minutes off the top of the hour?

No, sometimes, but not always. Like the

AEW will do it sometimes where it's just like a cool callback where it's just, hey, we're going to start at 6.05 on the superstation. Right, yeah, real quick.

It's like, oh, wow, it's like a real cool throwback thing. And then the show starts, and the theme song is Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting, which is really great.

It's a cool Saturday fight theme song. What's your

I was just sitting here thinking about my movies and I pulled a couple and I was thinking, I bet Gus can't name a single one of them. Wow.

Well, hold on. Let me write these down and then let's see if you get them.
Okay. Okay.

All right. Now we have to make time.
Yeah,

while you're over there uh raise the ac a bit it's blowing like right off oh my god uh have jeff do it he's standing up all right jeff go just change oh this is cool yeah he's definitely yeah he's definitely no idea

we're raise it raise it like two or three degrees we're so

there's just no way the uh for for people who are listening the the vents the ac vents in this room don't have any diffusers

so it's just like a blast, a column of cold air that shoots out straight onto you. In our office, too, where we do like, let's play stuff in everything, we have the same thing.

There's no great no vent. Every time we record in here or we do stuff in there, Gracie will sit directly under it without thinking 100% of the time.

And it's like, how do you do that? It's the worst.

It's just a big hole in the ceiling. Okay, are you ready to guess Jeff's movies? Yeah, I'm going to do terrible at this.
Okay.

So the thing about Jeff is

Jeff's a big David Lynch fan.

Stop you right there.

We're talking comfort movies. Oh.
Or like the movies that you re-watch. Oh, not my favorite movie.
I see. I see.

Because I was going to go with like

straight story, because I know you were crazy. Straight story is a great film.
Yeah. It's a great film.

But yeah, if you're talking of comfort films, oh man, it's going to be off the wall. It's going to be some real.

No, I'm not.

I'm not going to know. I'm not going to know them.

You're not going to take his story.

My stabs would be obviously like straight story. Then I was thinking like older,

his comfort movies are going to be kind of obscure B movies from the late 70s. I'm not familiar with, I feel like is the problem here.

I think there's maybe one on there. I don't know how obscure it is, but go for it.
It was Billy Madison. Yep.
Tommy Boy. Yep.
It's a Mad Mad, Mad Mad, Mad Mad World, and Invaders from Mars.

And I should put Harold and

Harold and Mod. Herald Mod's all over.
There's never a big Harold and Mod. You're about to say Harold and Kumar, and I'm like,

I'm like, no fucking chance. No, dude,

Harold and Mod is my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, yeah.
Easily. Tommy Boyd.
Herald and Mod and Empire, probably. Tommy Boy and Billy Madison are classics.
Empire's great.

Is that the one about the radio station that the band takes over? What's Empire? No, that's Airheads. Airheads.
I'm talking about Empire Strikes Back.

I thought you meant the movie Empire. I thought it was a movie Empire.
I wasn't familiar with it. I was like, oh, the movie Empire.
Oh, Empire Records. I'm thinking of Empire Records.

Empire Records, I don't like. I like the Empire Records.
I thought it was crazy that you liked Empire, and I went, oh, that's pretty cool. No, Empire, Empire.
Empire Records sucks. See, I knew it.

I'm like, that's insane. Because it was like a Chin Blossom song in that, and he's not going.

It was my first wife's favorite movie. That's why I had to...
It was on all the time. I fucking hated that.

At the age that I was when it came out, it made me feel very connected to what was going on in the 90s.

When I watch it now, I'm very nostalgic for it, but everyone's dressed like a cartoon character of the 1990s. It was like High Fidelity was my Empire Records.

It was like the same kind of thing where I got that out of. I can't watch High Fidelity twice.
You watch it once and you're like, oh, I'm getting something out of this. You watch it again,

this guy just won't stop fucking

whining. Soup shut, super pretentious now.

Talking about at the time. I should have put a Gross Point Blank out there.
It was one of my goods. Gross Point Blank's a great list.
That's a good one. You said High Fidelity.

And that's a movie I've seen a ton, too. I have actually seen Gross Point Blank a lot.

I think the last time I saw it was at Casino El Camino, and it was like they put it on the TV at the bar. It was great.
I can tell whose friendship meant more to who between the two of us.

Well, the thing is, I dragged you and I forced you to watch all my movies over and over again. I don't think you could have forced me at that time to watch any of that stuff.

There was no forcing you to do anything. Uh-uh.
It's impossible. Uh-uh.

It's not happening. Nope, nope.

We were also talking in the car on the way back from Barrett's. We got coffee from Barrett's.
I don't know if we said that yet. Nope.
Dog shit day outside, by the way. Dog shit day.

So we're back at the studio today. Yeah, because it was cold and rainy and just miserable.

We were talking about Eagle Pass, the town I grew up in, because it's a small town on the border, but it's on the news every day now. I always see it because of

migrants, undocumented immigrants crossing, being detained there. And there's always, I feel like whenever they show it on the news, it's always like the same shot.

It's like under the bridge where they have like lines of people, you know, where they're processing them all.

And that's like, you know, that's the bridge you and I walked over when I took you to Mexico. It's like right by the golf course.

Like all the time that those cameras are pointed at the migrants, if they just turn the camera around 180 degrees, there's a golf course right there.

There's a story that we've told a million times, which we won't retell in the nostalgia podcast, clearly, where the first time Gus took me to Mexico, we're walking across the bridge, and I'm like, so this is literally the river that people like cross illegally.

And Gus goes, all day, all night. And he goes, yeah, they crossed right over.
There's a couple dudes right there.

And he pointed to me, and there were people crossing the river at two in the afternoon on a Saturday.

It was insane.

And, you know, seeing all this footage of the bridge, it made me think about something I hadn't thought about in a long time, which was when I was younger, it used to be that, you know, the, the, the, they're native, there's a Native American tribe who lives out there in Eagle Pass, and it used to be that their houses and their reservation was under the bridge.

And it was like the weirdest thing. Yeah, it was like, they, and they had, they would,

I was a kid, so I don't really know what was going on. I don't know why they were there.

It's just one of those things you take for granted as a kid. You don't know what it is.
Well, it's the way the world worked when you discovered the world. Right.
And they had like these really

shoddily made, like cardboard houses. It seemed like they had trash on the roof.
I didn't know. I'm a kid, right? I didn't pay attention.
I didn't question anything.

But probably when I was a teenager, probably when I was in like, I don't know, like 91 or so, they moved them. They gave them like a bigger piece of land away from the bridge.

And they built a casino out there now. And that's where their reservation is.
It was the Kickapoo tribe. Which we've been to.
You and Bernie went once.

And it's just so weird to me now to think about how

they had to land under the bridge.

It's just so bizarre. Like where you see all those migrants staged now.

That was all the Kickapoo Reservation. It went from both sides of the bridge.

And now it's like, it's the park that Greg Abbott's taken over and won't let the federal agents onto. It's like this whole flashpoint.
But that's just where the reservation was when I was a kid.

I think it's because

I tried to read a little bit into it. There's really not much information I could find.
But I think that

the Kickapoo were allowed to cross between the United States and Mexico without documentation. Wow.

Yeah, because it's like they had like it was like cultural culturally significant to them. Like they had sites in Mexico and sites in the United States.
Wow.

So it's like they could go through between the two of them. Like so I think they put them there to make it as frictionless as possible.

Or it's like they could just go to Mexico and then come back and like it wasn't a big deal.

Except they were living under a fucking bridge. Except they were living under a bridge and they there was probably no plumbing or electricity.
It was like really terrible conditions down there.

Well, I mean, that's kind of

a lot of the areas around eagle pass like i remember you took me to the colonias yeah when we were there which are like unincorporated neighborhoods that don't have utilities yeah right yeah but are like streets and streets of houses but without power necessarily or water hookups or water hookups or sewer or gas or anything it's it's really busy i don't know if it's still like that now that's the way it was back then yeah

this would have been a long time

yeah but yeah i mean they would build whole subdivisions like that where it's just like it looks like a normal neighborhood, but there's no utilities, no service out here,

which is just wild to think about. And where the casino was was part of that, or the casino is, used to be like that.
Like when they first built that casino, there were no roads to get to it.

Like you would drive down the highway and then you'd pull off on a dirt road and you just like with no lights or anything, you just kind of had to know which dirt roads to turn on and which dirt roads to take to get out there to the casino.

Presumably, I think now it's got actually got a road and lights and signs, but it was just like, oh, you're in the middle of nowhere in the dark.

Hook a hard right here and go down that dirt road. When was the last time you went to Eagle Pass? Last time I was there was probably 2018.
We did that documentary for our team. Oh, so it was.

Yeah, that was the last time I was down there. I got to say, dude,

Eagle Pass has got to be the coolest name for a place to grow up ever. It sounds awesome.
It does. Eagle Pass.
It's not.

You know, I went there. It's not, but like, I always thought, like, what a great fucking name.
Is your, do you have, do you still have a lot of family in Eagle Pass?

Yeah, I still got a good amount of family there.

Yeah, down, I mean, I have a lot of family all over the border, but yes, quite a bit still in Eagle Pass. In Eagle Preston.
Do you think you'll go back?

I hope not.

Oh, man.

It's a different town now than it was back then.

It's probably... double or triple the size of when I grew up.
It's probably double the size from when you went. Probably, yeah.

It's totally different. I was reading

a couple last year the year before i was doing research for an episode of black box down uh and it's been a while so i'm rusty on the details but um you know um

the world war ii aviator uh doolittle headed up the doolittle raids to do like the bombing on japan maybe you don't know uh if you're familiar with him i i want to say that he lived in eagle pass for a while when he was like still doing his flight training or like early on in his career uh that he like he trained in that area there used to be i guess uh airfields out there back back then.

I remember reading that thing, wow, that's fucking weird. I never knew that growing up as a kid.

So, growing up in a kid, I assume, I mean, I shouldn't assume, we've talked about this a million times, but you hated growing up in a case. It was the worst.
I grew up in shitty Alabama.

I mean, I moved around a lot, but most of what I remember was in shitty Alabama, where I hated being there. What is something when you look back on it, like, that you do like about Eagle Pass?

Like, what's a good thing about Eagle Pass or a good memory of the place? So,

in the moment, again, it is very akin to the Native Americans living under the bridge, right? Like, you grow up there, that's just, you think that's just the way the world works.

You think that the experiences you're having aren't necessarily unique, but everyone must grow up this way.

But I think something that was really interesting that I can look back on and say that that was really cool was like growing up in such close proximity to Mexico in a time pre-9-11 when going to another country was just like

like as a teenager without my parents I'd just like be like huh I'm gonna go go to Mexico, like, walk across the bridge, you know, pay a quarter, walk over without a passport or anything, walk to another country.

Just pop a quarter and go. That's what it was like.
It was like a little turnstile.

You put like going on a subway, you put a quarter in, it would unlock, you'd go through, do whatever you want to do, fuck around in another country. Then they're like, all right, time to go home.

Put a dime in the Mexico side to come back to the United States. There's like a dude on the America, like, hey, you're an American citizen.
Yep. All right.
See ya.

You know, I thought, you know, looking back, like, that's an unusual experience. That was super cool.

And not even an unusual, it's only been, it's only unusual because of the last 10 years right or 20 years 20 years yeah like though it's the way the world worked up until 20 years ago like it's it's unusual that it doesn't work the way it used to yeah yeah i think we were talking about it on maybe face but uh gracie our associate producer is 23 i think 22 or whatever and she's like i don't know what it is to not have the tsa yeah i don't know but i talked to you about this because i remember pre-tsa and all that stuff and then the thing that you brought up was like yeah there's like a world before the cia yeah that's like a relatively new thing in the history of America or whatever.

And it's just, it's an institution just like the Department of Homeland Security, which is to me a big, you know, it's a punchline thing because it's a new thing.

And it's not a new thing to someone like Grace, who she's just graduated college. Right.
The ATF is still new to me. Yeah, right.

Isn't that crazy? Over a long enough period of time, it's like. These institutions outlive the people who remember the time before.

And so they're, so these institutions become foundational to what this stuff is. The way that you're talking about, oh, pop a quarter in and go to Mexico and everything.
That was like

around like high school was like, oh, yeah, we're going to Tijuana. Like kids are going to like Tijuana or whatever.
And it's like you're 15 or 16 and you have a friend who's driving you.

And there was no, well, I got to bring my passport and my ID. It was just, hey, are you all Americans? Yeah, great.
Yeah. That's it.
Fucking nothing. Wild.
Wild. You know, talking about things that.

just came into existence. I was thinking about this also a couple of years ago.

I was thinking about, I think maybe with all this news about going back to to the moon i was thinking about the space race and you know yeah japan just landed a module on the moon right now fifth country ever to land something on the moon um

but i was thinking about satellites and they're in space and

they're in space uh

i started wondering how did people deal with hurricanes before satellites Right, like we're talking not that long ago, like the 50s and 60s.

You'd just be like in Florida or South Carolina and be like, huh, getting a little windy. Dude, when I was a kid growing up, they still in, because I grew up on the Gulf Coast, right?

So I was, I grew up in Hurricane Country my entire childhood. And they would talk about, like, this is like 1985.

My family would sit around on the weekends or they get together with people and talk about old hurricanes. Like it was like winning a championship.

Like, do you remember when we won the big game back in 73? It was like, do you remember Hurricane Camille? And then they would all just share stories about how Camille fucked everything up.

And then it'd be like, but it was nothing compared to Frederick. And then they would talk about how Frederick stuffed

stuff up. I think they just became like huge cultural touchstones because you didn't

get enough time to prepare. Yeah, like now it's like we see them out forming in the middle of the Atlantic.
It's like it's gonna go this way, maybe it's gonna go this way.

You got like days to prepare and get ready and leave if you want. But back then, it was like, Oh, I think I see a hurricane on the horizon over there.
Uh-oh.

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Wasn't that what, like, the farmer's almanac and everything was for? Like that was,

hey, these days typically are when you have to worry about this thing, yeah, and so you're on a higher alert or whatever.

Uh, you know, if it gets delivered to your homestead on time and you can check out with the hurricane coming, but my whole life, like

earliest hurricane memories. Well, first off, I can like we had hurricane drills like fucking constantly.
Like, like, I guess kids had bomb drills in the 50s.

I'm sure anybody who grew up on the Gulf Coast did. All the Houston kids know what I'm talking about.

Uh, but uh, I just, I like my whole life, I can remember like people flying into the eye of the storm. And so that's probably, they've been doing that at least since the 80s, probably.

Yeah, and you know, satellites precede that a bit. Of course.
Like, you know, we're talking like 70s. But I think we just were more hands-on back then.

Yeah, but if you think about pre-satellite, they had to know something was there to fly a plane to it. That's true.

I mean, I think you probably get notifications from boats and

stuff. That's true.

Yeah. That's how, I mean, right? Yeah.

Information still traveled, right? But it was a lot slower. It wasn't infrared.
Right.

Like I could pop my fucking phone out right now and see probably a live satellite image of the entire Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. You could find an app right now on your phone.

I don't know that it exists, but I know that it exists that tracks all existing and potential hurricanes on Earth right now. Yeah, I'm sure.
It's got to exist. I used to be really.

Before I moved to Eagle Pass, I lived in Houston. I went to kindergarten, actually, down in the Gulf Coast.
So I know what you're talking about a little bit with all the hurricane stuff.

And when I was that age, hurricanes fascinated me.

I don't know if you had this when you were a kid or where you lived, but like they would give kids like little hurricane plotter maps and you get you get like updates.

You'd be like, oh, at this latitude and this longitude is the eye of the storm. And you would like get updates like every.

12 or 24 hours of whatever. And I would like track along with the hurricanes as they were coming to see like where it was going to hit or what was it.
Did you write the path in in Sharpie?

Like a big circle.

I don't remember that being the case, but it might have. I totally forgot about that.
That's like a recovered memory.

You're like, we're sitting here right now talking about hurricanes and like all that old shit. Like, oh, yeah, I used to do that when I was like six.
I couldn't get away from them.

I moved around so much as a kid, but it was like, except for the time I lived in Portland or just outside of Portland, I grew up in, I lived in Alabama, like on the coast, and then Florida on the coast, and then Louisiana on the coast, like New Orleans, like the most fucking underwater city ever, like Atlantis II, and then back to Alabama.

So I just like, I just could never escape that fucking hurricane zone my entire childhood. I was the other day, I was watching this program

about the city of Osaka in Japan. And I didn't realize this, that much like New Orleans, a large portion of Osaka is below sea level.
And

they have this system of,

I don't know what the proper term is, I don't remember. They have this like system of like locks and

devices that close whenever a storm is approaching to stop storm surge and any potential tsunamis to keep the city from flooding. But it's like a a lot of, a lot of that city is below sea level.

Have you been to Osaka before? Osaka's awesome. Such a cool city.
Really? Yeah. Is it your, what's your favorite city in Japan? Probably Osaka.
More than Kyoto? Oh, yeah. Well, Kyoto's like,

I don't know. Kyoto's like so.

It leans into that touristy aspect quite a bit, right? It's all like temples and all of that. You're going to run into a bunch of tourists.
Osaka is just like...

I don't know. It's a much cooler city, I think.
Like, much more modern. It doesn't lean as much on the temples and that stuff.
Did you get a Hokkaido? I've not been to Hokkaido.

I would love to visit Hokkaido. Okay.

Millie's been there. I thought maybe you went too.
Wow, that's cool. She was in Hokkaid.
Her mom took her. Oh, they went like a couple years ago.
Man, I would love to visit Hokkaido. It seems so

like, well, not untouched is the wrong word. It seems so outdoorsy.
She said it was very cold. Yeah.
And it looks cold as hell. Very, very cold.
And she said there wasn't a lot going on. Yeah.

But she was probably on a mountain watching chainsaw carvings. So yeah, I would love to visit out there.
Have you ever been to Japan? Yeah. I took Millie to Tokyo for Thanksgiving like four years ago.

Just the two of us. Yeah, we went for just a little bit.
Had like the maybe the best trip of my life. Oh, really? Yeah, just Millie and I.
She was like 14, 13, and it was just like a good time.

It was a good bonding trip.

Neither of us had ever done anything like it. It was great.
Yeah.

That's cool. Yeah.
Oh, man. Talking about, we're kind of all over the place.
How do we go from talking about satellites and hurricanes in the 60s to talking about visiting Japan?

Dude, let me tell you, we're like 30 minutes into this episode. This thing flew.

And I couldn't tell you what we've been talking about, but it's been like all of it's just, we're all over the place. Well, we're talking a lot about Eagle Pass.

It's crazy. What a weird experience.
You grew up in San Diego. Yeah, the whole time.
So you grew up in a place

that you liked. Yeah.

I was always so jealous as a kid. But like,

but I wanted to leave.

Like, when I was a kid, I remember telling my parents in high school like like junior high high school like i i have to get out of san diego like they i can't i have to go somewhere else like there's nothing like what is this because i didn't know the rest of the world like all i knew was san diego so then i left and i went oh

yeah you have to leave to appreciate it your parents your parents are like yeah let this idiot leave for a bit something a friend's dad told us was like you were born and raised and like you grew up and have experiences in a place where people save all year to go on vacation to yeah so like really don't lose sight of that and that was i was much older when he told us that and i went wish somebody maybe when i was like 14 would have told it's not like i would have listened but like it would have sucked me probably i think i think that's why i appreciate and have rolled with austin for as long as i have is because you you have to put i put so much work to get here yeah you know and then you finally get to a fun place where it's actually nice to live and there's shit to do does it feel like the first place where you really liked living austin texas and the reason I still live here is the, and I don't mean this to be insulting to any place I've lived.

I've lived a lot of places,

and it has nothing to do with the people. I'm just talking about the location because people in my family get their feelings hurt.
I'm not trying to do that.

Seriously, I'm not. I am.
Austin, Texas is the only place I've ever felt at home in my life. It's the only place that when I first came here, I felt like I belong here.
This feels like home.

Growing up in Alabama and Florida a little bit and Louisiana, I felt like such an outcast and so not of the place. Like I just felt like I didn't fit in or didn't belong.

Like I was a, I was the wrong puzzle piece for a puzzle. And then it like, it clicked in Austin.
And that's why I don't, it's why it's going to be hard to leave when, when I do leave.

I feel like this is tangential to what Eric was saying.

Do you think also that has something to do with the fact that this is the first time you maybe the first time you had agency to make that decision on your own?

Like you weren't being pulled somewhere for either through familial or the armly or like these other obligations?

I mean, maybe. I did, you know, when I got out of the military, I was in New Jersey and I liked living in New Jersey.

By the way, everybody talks shit about New Jersey. Like my whole life, everybody's talked shit about how ugly and gross New Jersey is.
New Jersey is fucking awesome. Dude, I had the same experience.

People always said that. The first time I went there, I was probably like...
28, 30. I was like, oh, New Jersey's fucking rules.
They call it the garden state for a reason. It's fucking beautiful.

The beaches are about as nice as you're going to get up there. The The people are fine.
I never had issues with people in New Jersey. Food's pretty good.

And you're 30 minutes away from New York City, which is like you're 30 minutes away from anything you could ever want to do ever, you know, basically.

I quite enjoyed living there. And when I got out of the army, well, I moved for a couple of personal reasons, but like I came back to Austin because it drew me back to it, you know? It was like, so

part of it is like being able to finally make that decision.

Because, you know, up until 23 years old, my life was controlled by other people

entirely um

but I could have moved anywhere I would have moved anywhere I hadn't I had nothing holding me back and this is the place it's interesting to think about that like

to be at that point in your life it's been so long for for both of us now to be at that point in your life where you're kind of just starting out as an adult and be like where do I want to live like where am I going to set down roots to try to make this work because you know upending your life and moving it's such a fucking big deal yeah such a pain in the ass it's so expensive it's it's it takes so much time that

you kind of like you're there for a while whether you like it or not you're gonna have to be there best case scenario if you hate it like you have to you have to stick it out to get that momentum be able to leave again and it's true and i i really do think it had to do with the place

because I was in a at a point in my life when it would never be easier than than it would be to move.

What Gus is saying, it's never going to be easier to move than when you're 22, 23 years old and you have no ties to a world. But I had a good thing going in New Jersey.
I had a great friend group.

I was working in, I was PAing for View Askew movies, and I was working my way. I was going to work my way into that world.
You know,

I had a friend who was already doing commercials in New York City and was inviting me

up there to PA and stuff, although I learned pretty quickly I didn't want to do that.

And then I was touring with that band, Catch 22, and they were becoming a really big deal. And I left all that to come to Austin.
And after

about eight months or so, we were good friends. I quit.
I put in my notice at the tech support company, gave them a two-month notice.

And then I started to figure out how to sell my house and get rid of everything to move back to New Jersey to go back because I felt a bit of a pull to go back there.

And the band actually came to me and they said, If we taught you how to play guitar, we think you could be in the band in a year. Do you want to be in Catch Me Too? And I was like, Absolutely.

I don't know if I've ever told this story, But they were having band member issues and we were just, we just were real good friends. And I was like, that's it.
I'm going to leave Austin.

I'm going to sell everything I own, move back to New Jersey,

turn my life into just like a one-track mission to learn guitar so I can be in this fucking rock and roll band. And

then after I made the decision and after I put in my notice and after I started to figure out how to sell my house, I just realized that

I was leaving.

I was trying to escape a bad marriage

and I was about to fuck up everything that I had I had done again

and I just decided that Austin was too important to give up on just yet and so I pulled it all back around and I really but I really do the whole point of all that is just say that I just think Austin was a special place it was a special place at that time and it had less to do with me and more to do with it I think

Have you ever tried to play guitar since then? No, I couldn't play guitar then. No, I mean like I wouldn't have been able to learn.
It could have been a huge fucking fucking failure.

I'm not musically talented. That's why I asked.

You're one of the. I'm not very musical either.
I'm worse than, I'm one of the least musically inclined people. I recognize that.
Do you just not have like rhythm or what?

No, and I'm tone deaf, and I don't have

listen.

It was a whole thing. Gus's family put me through it.
What? My sister, specifically. What happened? She sat me down with a piano and decided that I wasn't tone deaf and she was going to help me.

And then she gave up pretty quickly.

She gave up pretty fucking quickly

that that's so mean

yeah

it was funny though it was really funny we're gonna teach you how to play this thing oh fuck

that was yeah it was about 15 minutes later it was like oh i get it you never mind oh fuck dude that's so funny let's not waste our lives on that oh my god that's that's part of the the i mean that's part of why i want to do a podcast about this fucking place because i've gus and I have been fortunate to travel all over the world together and apart.

And I've just never felt right like I do when I'm here. You know?

Just a cool place. I get it.
Even with all the wild changes, because the city is so fucking different. Dramatically different

than it was.

I was thinking the other day I was driving through downtown and I was looking at all the big buildings.

And actually, I was driving down 35 and I was looking at the buildings and I could see the UT Tower.

And I thought,

you know, back when in in like 2000, 2001, I lived in those in those apartments over there by Barton Creek Mall. And when the gables.
Yeah, okay.

And when September 11th happened, I remember my alarm clock went off. It was like a local radio station.
And, you know, one of the DJs was talking about how a plane had flown into the tower.

And like, I was sleepy, so I just turned the radio off right away. I thought, oh, that's weird.
And I went out to my balcony and I looked because I could see.

the UT Tower from my balcony and I looked. I was like, hey, I don't know what he's talking about.
The tower's fine. It's right there.

Right.

that because why would the local news be talking about that? That's all I heard. A plane flew into the tower.

And I wonder now if I could still even see the if whoever lives in that apartment now can even still see the UT tower from that location. Because I bet probably not.
I can't imagine.

There's been 35 buildings built between right. Like the skyline has changed so dramatically.
Like it was easy. I stepped out of my balcony.
It was like, oh, there's the UT tower. Tower's fine.

Went back in, like, wondered why my, why CNN wasn't loading. Like, the internet was broken.
No websites were loading. Drove to work.
Fuck, dude. It's a fucking, it was a fucking crazy day.

That's wild. Yeah.

Talking about Austin

and

all the places that sort of changed and everything.

How different is the weather now compared to, I don't know, 20 years ago or whenever you guys like first moved here? Because the summers are insanely hot and the winters are insanely cold.

And I don't know. I imagine it wasn't always like that.
So summers have gotten worse. Summers have gotten worse.
I will say this. I was just having this.

I was having this argument with my wife and some friends of ours the other day. And I was basically bitching that I've owned homes in Austin for 25 years now or something.

And the last three years, I've had to put significant work into covering my plants during freezes. And I never did that the first like 22 years I owned homes.

And they were contending that I just wasn't paying attention to my plants back then. But I don't think that was it.
I think it's just worse.

It didn't freeze for this much this long it snowed a couple times i have pictures of me building snowmen in my old front yard in austin but it snowed for a morning and then by noon it was 60 degrees we never had this level of sustained freezing if it froze it froze overnight if it froze and then it was fine the next morning

half of austin's trees weren't falling over it wasn't like this and the reason that the trees are so brittle is because it's so goddamn hot in the summer now that they're they don't get enough fucking moisture and they get weakened and then when the freeze comes and all the and all the rain hits it and then they get too heavy and they crack and they break and it's a fucking it's a

spiral to the bottom of of our of our ecosystem here it's it's we're in a rough place we're also in a sustained drought we're in a sustained drought for a very long time it's it's not getting any better it's definitely getting worse and it was not like this 2012 was hot i remember that it was a hot shitty year do you remember 2012 it was like 70 days over 100 or something it's been like that every year for the past five years.

And that's why I asked, because before I moved here, talking with you guys, that was the thing. You guys would point to the one winter where it snowed.

And it's like, there's like a video, I think Jordan or Barbara posted of them like running around and it's snowing or something. And it's like 2011 or something like that.

And then you guys would talk about 2012 when it was just like, dude, over 100 for 70 days.

And then I never heard anything else about the, it was just like, those are like the two stickouts. And since I moved here, it's been every summer

and every winter. And I'm just waiting for it to not be anymore.
But I don't know that there is that. Like, I just don't know.

It's gotten so bad. And it's part of what's driving me to look outside of the state other than property taxes, which is the big reason.

That's definitely the biggest reason.

But it's just like one of the benefits of Austin, I like, and I realize Michigan is the opposite of this, but I like, I like being able to be outside most of the year. And

the last two summers have been so prohibitively hot. It's too, when you live in a place that it's legitimately too hot to jet ski in, it's too fucking hot.

Like we started to get into jet skiing and all that water sports shit to beat the heat because it was getting too goddamn hot. And then it got too hot for that.

And that just sucks. It's like you can't, I, I, like.

Tougher, more leathery people than me don't have a problem with it, but I just can't enjoy Austin when it's over 105 degrees every day for fucking three weeks in a row. It's just impossible.

Three weeks, I wish. Well, then you get it down to 102 and then it goes back up to 107 or whatever.
But you know what I mean? Like, it's just like you just can't go outside and enjoy outside.

And that's most of what Austin, Austin has booze, barbecue, and outdoors. I remember late 90s, early 2000s, like it was always high 90s.

Like every now and then, you'd be like, oh, it's 100 or a little over 100. But then now it's just like, it's three months, four months out of the year.
It's just over 100 degrees.

I mean, everything in Austin is indoor-outdoor. Everything, every bar, every restaurant, everything is just like, well, here's our sort of semi-conditioned,

semi-air-conditioned indoor bar food area. And now here, the rest of it is all outdoor.
So go outside. And it's like, it's July.
So

go home. You got it.

That's a holdover from when it wasn't as bad.

And that's why I'm asking, because I would imagine that all of that stuff is just thinking from the 90s, the 2000s, when it wasn't 106 every day, I would say, dude, that's a really interesting point.

I would say probably half the seats in Austin at establishments are outside. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.

And that was part of the charm, like the joy, like sitting in the back porch on Rio Rita or at Rio Rita on a Saturday at three in the afternoon, just like sharing a pitcher of beer when it's hot, but not fucking, not so hot you can't sit down on metal.

Right. You know, was like, it was the fucking, it was the reason to live in Austin.
I missed those days.

Obviously, I missed drinking beer too, but that was a big part of that.

Hell yeah. We're getting on in time, but actually we are.
I want to talk about, we went to Barrett's Coffee today.

I want to talk about Barrett's a little bit, what you guys got and what you thought of the coffee. That was probably the least crowded I've ever seen Barrett's.
Yes, we were able to park.

Parked right out front. Parked right out front.
Front row, center. Beautiful.
When we left, someone was waiting for our store. Oh, actually.

It was raining so hard.

It's just been raining the last day.

It's supposed to rain like the next couple days, and it was a nice little get inside. It was rainy outside, and everyone was drinking coffee, and it was a cool.
I just, I'm so cozy. That's cool.

I love Barrett's, I love that place. And then, also, someone just ran out of coffee at home, so it was very exciting to buy all their coffee so they don't have to go another time.

I don't know, it's so crazy. Uh, and then also, that made all the drinks free.
That's true, plus, they got a cool logo, they got that armadillo, they got the little armadillo, very cool.

I took a picture of them and everything. Okay, okay.
Uh, Barrett's is my go-to coffee spot in Austin. For me, it's A number one.
It's the spot where I get my beans. They're a roaster.

I have a bucket tub thing that I get like a pound of beans in, and then I buy a couple other bags just to try some stuff. But what did you guys think of what you got? Barrett's is solid, man.

It's so fucking good. I mean, this is one of the, one of the, probably one of the best Americanas I've had.
Nice. Anywhere.

And that's saying a lot because they do it like almost like the traditional way. It's a tiny little cup.
It is. It's really, really cool.

I feel like it makes me feel like a giant holding this thing, but it's so fucking good. I love Barrett's.

They provide the beans for Double Trouble, which has become my coffee shop of choice in the winter, at least, when Littlefield's just too cold to sit outside at.

The only problem I have with Barrett's is it's difficult to park there. I had a run there where I was going every day to work to try to write.

It's where, put in f ⁇ face terms, I was telling you guys earlier, it's where I wrote all the face smut was sitting at a Barrett's.

It's like a, I don't know, it's the highest I can give a coffee that we've written, like 10, 9, 8, something like that. It's the the same as whatever I gave Double Trouble.
It's fucking awesome.

Oh, it's the same beans. It's the same beans and everything.
Also, you got the cool sticker of the goose or whatever. That's the pie patch.
He's so cool.

Yeah, what would you give it? I mean, I don't remember what I gave Double Trouble, but yeah, it would be Combro. It's like a 9, 9, 5, somewhere around there.
It's really good. 9.8.
Yeah, for sure.

I still think like...

All gimmicks was probably better, but I don't remember. It's been a while since we've been there, and I can't go there again right now for comparison.
How does it compare to Des Nudo for you? Oh, man.

I would want to try them side by side. I think Des Nudo, I remember Des Nudo being better.

But this is also,

that's no knock on this. Sure.
This is an excellent cup of coffee. Okay, I give it a 10.
This is what I get.

This is the spot for me, and I was excited to do this today because, again, I ran out of beans.

So filling up on the Chiapas and then getting, I always just get this bucket that you guys thought was a tip jar full of the Chiapas and then try a couple different bags.

So I'm very excited to taste the flavor notes of dark chocolate and strawberry jam in one of them. And I don't remember what the other one was.
Very, very exciting.

You got a mustache Snoopy sticker on there. Dude, I got stickers all over this fucking thing.

We got fucking Puffy Coat Snoopy on this thing. My friend's a Pro Wrestler.
I put his sticker on there. Here's Sean from Mega 64.

That's Sean? Yeah,

it's a gross drawing of Sean from

a GDC video that they did over GDC. Yeah.
Man, Game Developers Conference is really something. I've got a

Sean doll kicker at home that they used to sell. And my dog loves that Sean doll.
Yeah. Oh, it's awesome, right? It's great.
They did all the crazy. Everyone's like really goth looking and everything.

And then it's Sean in a penguin t-shirt.

It's really fantastic.

That's Barrett's. To me, this is a number one.
And it's a good way to go out on another run of eight episodes. We're going to have two weeks.

Well, some of us will have two weeks off, and then others of us will work one. I'm going to be heavy in website development over the next week.
Oh, that's good.

Also, people, so tweeted out, hey, go sign the guest book. And then also we talked about it in the last episode and everything.
So people are going for it right now.

They're attacking our waste of internet space.

You keep checking back. You never know when Gus is going to update it with new movie trailers.

Maybe he'll put a trailer for him. He talks about a lot of movies.
Maybe he'll put a trailer for his four movies. Go, Rushmore, Run La La Room.
Your notes are really helpful to me, Eric. Oh, yeah.

I use them when I go back to try to figure out what to put on there. We were kind of light this last week, so I put a before and after picture of Uptown Sports Club.
Oh, nice. That's a good one.

That's a good reservation.

But I would recommend Barrett's. If you are coming to Austin, checking it out, recommend Barrets.
It, to me, is the premier coffee spot for

what we're doing here for Anma. But speaking of Anma, you can send us an anarchy question, our slash Anma Podcast, or you can at Anmo Podcast on Twitter and on Instagram.

Send us a question there if you like. Here's something.

I don't know why the website wouldn't work without the WWW. I don't know.

It's a picture of you when I go to it, and then you go to WWW and then it's the other thing. Weird.
Yeah. Okay.
Talk to Torgaard. I don't know.

He's like a little hacker.

He's a little... He lives in...

Cyberspace. Yeah, he lives in cyberspace and Norway, I think.

Well, with a name like Torgaard, you've got to look at it. You have to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Would you consider Bears to be in North Austin? I consider that central because it's still south. It's close to 183, but it's still south of 1883.

So you would consider anything south of 183 to be central? Yes. I think a lot of people wouldn't.
I think a lot of people would say anything over 50th Street is north. I'm with you.
50. Okay.

I think so. Yeah.
I agree. I'm with you.
I think because North Loop is called North Loop. You know what I mean?

But it is, I think, the best coffee you can get in North Austin, at least until all gimmicks reopens.

Fingers crossed. Yeah.

So check out Barrett's and then

try parking at the

parking lot at the structure to go to

99 Ranch or Cora. It's impossible to to park over there.

That's a whole other fucking thing. They're opening a Starbucks.
Oh my God. We got to go get Ranch 616 biscuits at some point.
Oh, that's right. We got to do that.
Yeah.

Maybe we'll do it on an off week.

We figured it out. What are you doing after this?

Hey, again, you can send us a question, but this is actually a shout-out I want to give. This is from Mendoza S24 on R slash ANMA podcast.
My short trip to Austin.

Visiting some family in San Antonio for the week and spent two days in Austin. Tried to hit up as many NFTs as I could.
Here's what I got. Breakfast tacos from Veracruz, very good.

Iced coffee from Desnudo, great, and they were super friendly. Told them the podcast sent me.
They don't know what the fuck it is.

Not whatever kids. Chip, good, not my favorite.
And a burger from Casino El Camino, such a cool spot. Burger was good.

More of a multiple thin patty over one thick patty. And they cooked the thick ones really well.
Chili cheese fries were awesome. Also went to Book People, which Jeff recommended.

Not an FT, but I went to Home Slice, which I've mentioned on the podcast. Till next time, Austin's.
And

I posted a couple of pictures. Oh, that's awesome.

That's awesome. That reminds me.
I discovered this past weekend that Hilbert's also has chili cheese fries. Oh, that's right.
He was telling us in the car on the fucking.

You can get them, you can ask them to put onions and jalapenos on it, and those are the best chili cheese fries I ever had in my life. They are phenomenal.

Any new restaurants? Anybody been to or anything before we leave? New restaurants. Have I gone to anything? I don't think so.
I've been going to that that

Korean barbecue place up by H. Mar, the Honey Pig.

That place is really good. It's not just, I mean, they have the barbecue, of course, that's what they're known for, but they have other soups and stews that are also really good.

Two more quick ones before we wrap this up, and then we got two weeks of me and Jeff doing music shit, probably.

I have so much music to talk about.

I probably do, too. I sent you a

Spotify link to a band. Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That I think that, I don't know if you would dig, but I think you would. Oh, is it the the Bobby Lee's? Yeah.

I've been bouncing around them for a while. I need to sit down and listen to them.
That song, Drive, sounds like it would be for the soundtrack.

If they were still making Need for Speed, that is the fucking song that they would use.

This is from Mike underscorefellow23 on Instagram. Are there any photos of Jeff on stage with Catch 22? Oh, what a

timely question. That's why I wanted it up.
Talking about it today. I don't know.

I mean, I have a ton of photos from the tour. I don't know.

I was the photographer so somebody else would have had to have taken a photo in the crowd of me on stage maybe that that's the problem of being the photographer like i i encountered that a lot with like early rooster teeth stuff i was always taking photos around like the spare bedroom and stuff so i'm not in very many photos because cameras weren't as ubiquitous uh that's what sucks

being the photographer did you ever get left out of stuff because of that Because you weren't

left out. Oh, boy.

I had to fucking pick that skin.

Right as a kid. kid.

No, I didn't realize that was a thing.

I was going to bring him to Omega 64. If he didn't get left out of stuff, he'll tell you every single time he was left out of shit.

The Wall Street Journal did an article about Rooster Teeth, and they sent a reporter down here

to come stay with us for a few days. Was that guy's name, Clive? No, no, no.
Clive wrote the wired article. Oh, okay.

So the dude shows up, and I was like, hey, I'll pick you up at the airport. So I went down to the airport, picked him up, drove him down to Buda.
Yeah. Hung out with us for a few days and whatever.

Took off.

Then a couple weeks later, the article appears on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. No mention of me.
Despite the fact at the time, there were only four of us in the apartment in Buda.

It was like

Bernie, Matt, five of us. It was Bernie, Matt, Jeff, Jason, and me.
That's it. That's all he met the entire time.
And I was not mentioned at all.

Jason was only mentioned as an unemployed guitarist, which he was really unhappy about. Oh, my God.
And

there is a whole scene in that. I think it's either that one or the Unwired article, but there's a whole scene in that where he writes about how I walk outside onto the balcony and take a long drag

from the wired article from my cigarette and then wax poetically about something. Never smoked a cigarette in my fucking life.

Not only have I never smoked a cigarette in my life, nobody in that building smoked. Bernie doesn't smoke.
Matt doesn't smoke. Jeff doesn't smoke.
Gus doesn't smoke. Jason doesn't smoke.

No idea where the fuck that came from. These people, journalists, as one, as I used to be one, just invent shit.
Yeah. Just make shit up and leave people and very important people out.

I picked him up at the airport. I was there the entire time, along with everyone else.

I guarantee you, Gus tried harder to fucking entertain that dude and make like and just like keep a conversation rolling with him than anybody else did. Oh, of course.
Fuck the Wall Street Journal.

Yeah, there you go. Mega64 had a similar thing where it was Derek was the creative one and Rocco was the brains and Sean was writing the coattails and it's like there's three people.

There's three

people. Couldn't find a name.

Like what? Why didn't he give him like the spirit award or something?

What the fuck?

And he's the heart. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, put it in the Jesus Christ. But that was a long time ago.
So is Wall Street Journal thing. Hey, here's our last question.

This is from Atomic Murphy on Instagram, talking about the early days of Rooster Teeth. Since VHS stopped being produced after season one of RBB, was there ever a thought to produce a season one VHS?

Did you guys ever think, dude, we got to put this thing on VHS? I don't think we ever talked about that. I can't imagine.
I can't imagine. No, VHS died in 2006 officially.
We started in 2003.

We made the first DVD in 2004, into 2003, early 2004.

VHS was

well on its way out at that point.

I don't think it ever. We used a VCR in our production pipeline back then because it had that S video it put on the front.
I don't think it was ever even a conversation.

No, no, I don't think we can't imagine. We never even thought about it.
Yeah, I don't think it, yeah. Even as a joke, I don't know that we considered it.
It'd be funny to do it now, though.

Well, now we should do it.

We could put a fucking season.

I'll get one of those red. I'll put a DVD and fucking hit the record button on a VCR and manually make VHS tapes.
So crazy. The Gus bootlegs.

The Gus bootlegs. I like it.
Mega64 has been selling VHSs, and it's fucking insane. Do they sell well?

You know, as much as a VHS for a collectible thing is going to sell, you know. Well, you never know.
I didn't think our fucking episode 16 on a vinyl record would sell well. Twice.
What the fuck?

Jesus. And it's just like, oh, we're going to do it again? It's like, are we? I don't fucking know.
No, we're not going to do it again. Oh, man.
We've done it twice. That's enough.

I felt like it was enough at once. I know you did.
I think that sometimes people try to get creative with packaging and with media.

I don't know if you remember this, but when the girl with the dragon tattoo came out on DVD, they made the disc look like it was a DVDR and it was like written in Sharpie.

And people would buy it and then try to return it to the store saying that they didn't have the movie, that someone had swapped it with a fake

disc. They had to constantly explain, like, no, that's the movie.
That's the look it's supposed to have. Dude, that's so cool.
That's really funny.

That's fucking awesome. That's so stupid.
I think that's dumb.

That'll do it for this season,

this little run of Anima. We did it.
Another eight episodes. Banged.
Can you look how fast they went? I really just started. That does feel like we just started.
This one flew.

I might have a date locked in for our lawyer.

Oh, yeah, sure. Okay, hell yeah.
So I'll let you guys know. I've been distracted with web development.
I haven't made my super cut yet. I've been deep in HTML.

So

we'll have a tournament. We'll let you guys know the date.

I'm excited for it, so we'll figure that out.

But our slash animal podcast, the subreddit we don't run at anima podcast on Twitter on Instagram, next week and the week after, you'll get myself and Jeff figuring it out.

I got an idea. Oh, I love it.

But in the meantime, anything, go to

anything.com. You got to put the www.

I'll try to fix it. I don't know what you're saying.

It's me. It might be a caching.
Well, I'll figure it out. I'll take a look.
Well, go check out the website. Go see what's going on.

Oh,

I know what it is. Okay, I'll fix it.
There you go.

He knows what it is. Yep.

Any parting words, final thoughts for the folks listening at home?

Don't steal our VHS idea.

You can have our VHS idea. It's big money.
No whammy. Stop.