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Okay,

This is

episode 69.

You really stuttered there for a second.

I couldn't believe that we actually got to it.

Good morning, Gus.

Hey, how's it going?

It's good, dude.

You didn't even fucking need it for

every other episode.

This is our run.

Fuck episode.

It's just going to be sex stories for the last 30 years.

That's what everyone wants.

Last time we were at 5280 Burger Bar, we talked about Gus's license.

We talked about a burger break-in.

We talked about a part-time Malaysian restaurant.

We talked about people's overall intelligence.

And we talked about E3.

I think Weez Cozy Kitchen is going to make it now that we've mentioned them on the 2008.

Cozy.

That was the word we couldn't think of.

We got Weeze.

Yeah.

Cozy Kitchen.

Got it.

Got it.

But that was all last time.

But now this is this time, episode 69 of the Anima Podcast.

We got coffee not too far from the office.

I think we actually got coffee from a place that we saw coming back from the last place.

We went to 280, and then we came back to the office and there was messed up traffic so we kind of took a backway to come back to the office and we were driving down Maynard.

Oh Guz can take backways when Jeff takes a backway.

It's a whole fucking thing.

Yeah, but I called it.

I said, look at that.

Traffic's going to be a little bit more.

What are we playing cool?

We got to call our shots first?

Just letting you guys know in three blocks I'm going to take a left.

You know what didn't happen?

I didn't look up shocked all of a sudden and then jerk the steering wheel quickly left and right trying to make a decision what to do.

Speaking of which you did that anyway, we stopped.

We drove by.

You know why I do that?

Because I want you to be involved in my thought process.

I want you to feel like you're there.

I don't want that.

I want you in the moment.

So, anyway, we were driving down Maynard and we drove by Talisman Coffee.

And we thought it looked like a cool spot.

So we stopped by there to pick up coffee this morning.

And Talisman's like, like I said, just east of the office.

Maynor, I guess kind of stretches, what, from like 183 down and it kind of loops around the east side.

It doesn't go past 183, does it?

I don't know.

Because the road continues.

That's like where the.

But yeah, but no, Maynor, it doesn't go past 183.

So

So go from 183 to 3.

No, it ends at.

No, you're right.

Yeah, it doesn't.

It stops.

It goes a little further and then ends there.

It converges with another road.

Isn't that the Delco Center right there?

Yeah.

Yeah, back further there and everything.

Then it comes down all the way to the bottom.

Where does Maynor end in your town?

Do you have a Maynor street?

What are the streets?

And do you call it Manor?

Yeah, it's spelled Manor, by the way.

M-A-N-O-R.

And so anyway, we went over there.

That's an area that has seen dramatic change, I think, over the last 10 years.

And I feel like it's really accelerating.

And I think this Talisman Coffee place is part, is really pushing that change along even more quickly.

It's like across from a Dairy Queen.

It's a nice Dairy Queen.

Yeah, it's a nice Dairy Queen.

That is like the Dairy Queen that we eat at for Face Jam.

That's a Mayfield Dairy Queen.

Which is across from.

That's really important to know for some reason.

Yeah, you got to put that dude's face everywhere.

Which is across from like a small apartment complex that I swear, every other time I go to that DQ is cordoned off, filled with ambulances and police cars.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I think it's vacant now.

I think they're going to demolish that apartment complex.

I think, like, it looks like it's fenced off now.

Anyway, and just down the street from there is SH Donuts, or as Jeff affectionately calls it, shithead donuts.

Shithead Donuts.

Shithead Donuts.

Which is the closest donut place to the studio.

It's S.H.

Donuts.

There's no dot on the H.

There's not?

No, you ever noticed that?

No, I never noticed that.

S.H.

Donuts.

And I go there because

my now wife, Emily, she lived over in this area, really, really close to RT for,

I don't know, the first couple years we dated.

And so that was like her donut shop.

And so we would go there.

To the place.

I still, when I want kalachis.

If I'm not too busy in my day, I will drive over here to get the kalachis from shithead.

Just because I like those people.

They're so, so sweet.

So nice.

The lady and man that run the place.

They're just the nicest.

I think

here

in where where we're recording in studio today, there was no Talisman Coffee had a lot of tables and seats, but it was very quiet in there.

And I felt like we would be recording a podcast in the library.

Oh, inside, no shot.

If they had a backyard or something, cool.

That it is said.

Yeah.

It would have been the best smelling podcast we've had.

I guess it's like a barbecue place too.

So

num,

mum, mum.

And then they have, so they have like Jewish deli barbecue.

Yeah, they have matzo ball.

Yeah.

matzo ball soup.

Pastrami.

Hot pastrami, but they also have brisket and turkey and everything else.

You just know that talisman coffee is within this place, and

you don't smell coffee anywhere.

No, no, no.

It only smells like barbecue.

Yes.

That is how strong the barbecue smell is.

That there is.

No coffee smell at the coffee shop.

It was a phenomenally good smell.

And I'd never heard of that place.

Smelled Smelled so good.

So we need to check it out because whenever there's a new barbecue shop that opens up,

there's like a 50% chance it'll be gone in three weeks or a 50% chance

there'll be a line out down the block within three weeks.

And so when you find a place that's not too busy yet, you got to sneak in there and taste it to find out if it's going to be, which one it's going to be before you're never allowed to go back

one way or another.

It's just not going to happen.

But that whole area, that stretch of Mainer, I think from probably from airport out to 183,

I feel like people would come in, buy, and flip houses, and then list them for way more, trying to get out-of-state people or out-of-town people to buy them sight unseen.

Yes.

And

I feel like that happened for the last 10 years or so.

And enough of those

people bought those houses to where now Talisman Coffee is sitting over there.

Yes, I absolutely agree.

And yeah, now that's like this acceleration.

Like, if you, you know, we talk a lot in Austin, having this very hot topic of, you know, gentrification, that is like ground zero for it.

It has been ground zero for it for a little while.

Yeah, no, I think that's definitely ground zero.

I think you're dead on with that.

Yeah.

It's it's wild over there.

Yeah, it's funny.

I would drive down that stretch of main or

a few years ago,

you know, and I would see those for sale signs and I would look it up on, you know, whatever, like a home buying app and be like, man, that is a lot of money for that house.

And, you know, within, you know, when the market was hot, you know, within a week or two, it would be like pending.

I would be wary of all the new house construction that was built in Austin from like 2017 to 2022.

It was just so much going up so fast.

And

there was this huge run on building supplies for a couple of years where it became really hard to get.

fucking two by fours and stuff in Austin because there's so much construction that a lot of corners got cut.

A lot of corners get cut anyway, but I think even more so.

I think there's going to be a lot of people in like, I don't know, eight to 10 years that are going to start having some real odd problems with their new homes.

I think there was a scare of that.

I don't remember.

It's been a while now, maybe 10, maybe 10 years ago now, where there was like counterfeit drywall.

Not maybe counterfeit's the wrong word, but like

drywall that wasn't up to code and wasn't up to standards.

Like it wasn't sheetrock.

It was something else that was pressed to be to look like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember this, and it was like, it just didn't have like the same, not like you're leaning on your drywall for like structural integrity, but it didn't have like the same

like like it would get brittle.

Yeah, yeah, like really, really brittle, really, really fast and just start falling apart.

Wow.

Yeah, it was really weird.

I mean, it's just, I guess it's by virtue of someone's got to make this house and they don't care where this stuff is coming from and just get it.

We, uh, when you know, we moved into the Rafal Bonedo office, there was a delay in that renovation because the air conditioners we had ordered were stuck in Mexico.

I don't know if you remember this, Jeff, because

I guess the factory was down there and they were put onto a truck to come up to Austin to be installed at our studio.

But the bridge that the truck needed to drive over got washed out.

So the truck was stuck on the other side of the river, on the other side of a river, not the international river.

In Mexico, it was stuck on the other side of a river, and they had to figure out like how to get these air conditioners across a river.

So it delayed everything by a couple of weeks.

How unfortunate is it that only a mere like 11 years later, I'd be a Snowrunner pro and I could have got in there.

Could have gotten scared.

I was telling Eric before you showed up, Gus, last night, we had to go up into Amondra, which is of northeast Russia.

Why is it always Russia, by the way?

Because it's made by Russian developers.

Oh, there's a lot of Russia, a lot of Ukraine, a lot.

I mean, there's other places.

There's the UK.

There's a lot of Ukraine, but you really do some crazy shit in there, man.

It's not labeled Ukraine.

The first map of the game is Michigan.

Smaller Russia?

Oh, okay.

There's a lot of places.

A lot of Canada.

Did you buy the Support the War DLC?

You got a big Z on the side of your truck.

Dude,

it's funny.

There are some Russian maps, some Ukraine maps, and certain vehicles are no longer allowed to be used in certain maps.

I guess licensing has gone away.

So you can't use certain Russian maps on, or like certain Russian vehicles on other maps because

I guess we're probably some sort of a side effect of what's going on in Russia and the Ukraine.

I keep the politics out of my truck game.

I know, right?

Anyway,

we had to pull this old

World War II ship, a plane that had busted up and had fallen into a frozen lake.

We had to rescue that, and we did it in four hours.

If I can do that in four hours, I could have got our air conditioners.

What do you mean you had to rescue it?

Did you have to actually like take it out of the lake and load it onto a truck, or do you just drive it?

Yeah, so it broke up into three pieces.

One piece fell into the lake.

So

we had to go out there with like a, with a truck with a heavy crane and a long flatbed, double-wide flatbed, and then pull it out of the ocean with the crane, pack it on the back of the flatbed and drive it out.

But it's fucking Siberia, dude.

So you're on frozen ice and climbing mountains.

It's very difficult.

And then it broke into three pieces.

So there was a piece of the wing.

That was the fuselage.

The wing is hanging on the side of the mountain.

So you got to scale up to the top of the mountain to get it.

And then there was another piece that was just across the lake.

Whenever you kept saying trucks, I just imagined like cargo vehicles.

I didn't think of like trucks with cranes and like other accessories on that you use.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

I thought it was like, in my mind, you drive a truck to a lake and then you use your mouse to like click on the plane and then it's in your truck.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Here, I actually have a photo.

Let me show you.

I got stuck last night in a funny way.

I can't wait.

I can't wait to laugh.

He loves trucks.

Trucks, I hear about trucks all the time.

Do you think they, do you think, I mean, just based on everything he just described, that he could have gotten your air conditioners?

It sounds like it.

Sounds like he would have come up with this.

Here's me pulling the fuselage out, and you can see my truck has T-boned.

That's my nickname, by the way.

And he got ram scooped.

The back of my truck and the top of the

flatbed are in the ocean, in the lake, right in front of the plane so i had to figure out how to get myself out of the water is that it what is that so that's just the front of my truck that's the flatbed that's where it's connected it's buried in the frozen ice and that's the piece of fuselage i'm trying to rescue that's that big a while that that fuselage fit on that bed that took me yeah uh eventually uh eventually i couldn't get it on i couldn't get it to pack on the bed where like straps and stuff so i was just able to lay it on the bed and then i had to

very carefully turn that motherfucker around around and drive it back up and out and then once I got it up on flat land I was eventually able to pack it.

So now that you have some Eric, by the way, Eric took a picture of a picture.

That's awesome.

To me, that's some boomer shit.

No, no.

To me, it's important.

It's telling the story of he wasn't just showing us a picture.

He was pointing at parts of it.

So that way we could see where his fuselage was.

That is how it was given to us.

So now that you're a truck expert,

do you get mad when you see trucks in TV shows and movies like the King of the Hill episode where Hank Hank Hill has to drive the 18-wheeler with his mom's stuff in it?

Are you like, that would never have worked?

Like when they had to go backwards down the mountain to like jumpstart the truck and put kerosene in it?

Great episode.

Great episode.

No, but what I do, every time I see something, I think, I can do that.

I watch Ice Road Truck or something.

I'm like, I've been there.

It's, it's the thing where

the stuff I saw online a lot, like a few months ago or whatever, was like

having women ask their boyfriends or husbands, like, do you think you could land a plane?

Yeah.

And it's like,

I don't know about ice road trucking or whatever.

Could I do it?

It would be incredibly difficult, but I think going like real slow, I could do it.

Could I land a plane?

I could definitely land a plane.

I don't know why I feel like I could definitely land a plane, but the truck is a little out of my scope, but it is.

Because I know there's the shifting is really going to be, you got, you got like 18 gears on that stuff.

Stay in first.

See, the thing about the plane, put it low and just give it.

The thing about the plane is you just have to go slow and then down.

Yeah.

With the truck, you don't know where you're centered.

You don't going left and right, you get flip.

You're like the ground is not flat.

The nice thing about

if you if you're landing in a proper airport, I assume you got a flat runway.

I've the only time I have flat land to drive on in trucks is when I'm driving over frozen ice,

praying that it doesn't crack.

Has it ever cracked any?

You fallen in?

Oh, yeah.

See what was happening there?

Uh-oh, I meant like

40% of my truck was in the fucking.

Do you die in the game?

No, no, you just have to recover back to the game.

You get like another bigger truck with another crane to get your truck out?

If you fuck your truck up

an hour and a half into a mission and you have to recover, your soul dies.

It's because you're like, oh, that's another hour and a half back out to where I was.

Just keeps describing this as fun.

And I die.

Dude, so much fun.

Listen, look at me, dude.

Look at me.

Look at me.

I am screaming at you.

Look at me.

I started.

He is this dude.

We started a fun company where all people do is have fun all day long.

We're the purveyors of fun.

Gus and I are the epitome.

Purveyors of fun.

Gus and I

are the like literal manifestations of the boys who never grew up, right?

He's Tinkerbell, and I'm the other one.

And what's his name?

Is Tinkerbell a boy that didn't grow up?

Peter Pan?

Peter Pan.

I'm Peter Pan.

He's Tinkerbell.

You're

Peter Pan's best friend.

Tinkerbell.

You're Peter Pan's best friend.

I'm the supporting character in this.

That's the Grinch, and you're the second antagonist, his dog.

Here's the deal:

you are the sidekick in my story, just like I'm the sidekick in your story.

That's how that works.

I'm telling my story, not yours.

Edcel, you're the bad man to my robber.

21 years, that's right.

21 years

of making fun.

I'm an expert in how to have fun.

So if I'm saying trucks is the most fun, it's got to be.

I would argue you're an expert in pretending to have fun.

Well, there you have it.

See what happens.

I do that too.

See what happens?

You make a Digimon reference around him.

I have a right classic.

Oh, fucking got him.

Oh, man.

Anyway, it's real fun.

Okay.

I'll take your word for it because I'm not trying it.

So much fun.

Wait, you play this on Xbox, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

It's on PC, though.

It just,

it seems so stressful.

It's not.

I mean, there are some tight butthole moments, but then if something goes wrong, you just laugh about it.

It's fucking hilarious.

You just said it was super stressful and then your soul dies.

You said your soul dies and you laugh about it?

You can't have it both ways.

Yeah, you can't.

He said that it was.

I have it both ways every night.

He said that it's like four hours.

He's like starting at 10.

He ends at 2 in the morning.

And he's like, yeah, there's like a four hour mission where we're getting these parts.

And it's just like,

and then there's one guy on the team and he's just like, oh, he kept driving off the cliff and fucking up or whatever.

Two and a half hours in, nobody better be fucking up.

No.

You better be doing it 12:30 a.m.

Yeah.

Uh-oh.

Didn't you used to have a fucking mech game that had you had a console this tall where you had to push 87 buttons?

I was 22.

Right.

And now he flies a plane.

Get inside.

It's the same thing.

And he has fun with that.

You extrapolate yourself.

You totally extrapolate your hobby into a different hobby, but more active.

That doesn't sound fun to me, but clearly it's fun.

And I trust Gus that it's fun.

Oh, I don't think think it's fun at all.

I think he has engineer brain and it's not fun at all.

It's checking levels and knobs.

I would agree with that.

I definitely don't have engineer brain.

I have hit baseball's Alabama dumb brain.

So if hit baseball's Alabama dumb brain tells you something, it's fun, it's fun on a really dumb core, basic, like maybe didn't graduate high school level.

He's got a great point here.

I don't think I can argue with him anymore.

Yeah.

Oh, that's

great.

Fuck.

Fair enough.

Wow.

So we're, you know, we're pre-taping this, obviously.

You know, we're still in 2023.

This episode comes out like middle of January, I think.

This will come out like the second, yeah, second week, first, second week in January.

Damn, we're fucking.

I'm just trying to.

That's Greyhead.

No, it's great.

It's great.

So this is the last episode we'll record this year?

Yeah, I believe so.

Because I'm around 20, after the 27th.

Okay.

Maybe we'll see.

But if we don't have to.

I don't know.

But if we can go get lunch and and make something out of it, we can get her.

You know what I mean?

Why not?

We'll see.

That's a no.

No, I want to.

Yeah.

From him.

No, no, I mean, I know, I know.

We're in the middle of a recording.

I'm going to bring my calendar out right now.

You don't have to look at your calendar.

You just be at like half a dozen.

Yeah, let's do it, dude.

This didn't sound sensitive.

Eric texted us yesterday to set up

the coffee place for today, doing his producing.

Thank you, Eric.

I really do appreciate it.

Yeah, we do appreciate that.

And

he sent the text, and I was watching that reality show on Netflix.

The devil's playground.

I couldn't get to my phone right away.

So, like, when the episode ended, I finally went and looked at my phone, and I was like, I just wrote, great.

And then I think half an hour later.

I responded immediately.

I mean,

not even a minute.

Normally, I respond immediately, but this show I'm watching, it's subtitled, so I can't look away, right?

Like, I have to be fully engaged with it.

I hadn't thought about it.

You're right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But episode ended.

And he can't pause.

Right.

Well, I'm not going to pause.

Esther's watching.

I'm not like you, Jeff.

I don't walk into other customers at a coffee shop because I'm looking down at something.

I was backing up.

They could, they fucking back.

No, dude.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Those dudes, those dudes, those dudes were like when they're.

They turned around and walked right into the room.

No, and those dudes, there was like, it's like when a deer, when you see a deer in the road and it starts running away from you on the road and you're like, I'm going to still hit you.

Turn left or right.

Those dudes were doing the same fucking thing.

Turn left or right.

They were standing there first.

You moved.

I was standing there first.

They weren't even in the room.

You moved.

They were standing you turned around and walked right into them it was really impressive how of all the directions you could have gone you went the exact way that was just into both of them because they moved into that direction they watched it happen anyway the episode finally ended i could distract my attention i responded great and i think eric just replied like i i think you're mad at me it took too long for you to respond so i think you're mad at me and jeff immediately yeah i read that great as pretty hard sarcasm honestly and then i just sent back well i

the thumbs up reaction onto the I think you're mad at me, which is like one of the most passive, aggressive things you can do.

This is so funny.

It made me laugh out loud.

It was very funny.

It was a great text.

It's funny how different communication mediums have different rules of engagement, right?

Okay.

Like

I think it's generally agreed that those reactions like that without any text, that's like a conversation avoider or a conversation ender, right?

Yeah.

I get in trouble if I thumbs up my voice.

Right.

If you're going to thumbs up something or you have to also which to me, I'm like, cool.

Yeah.

Like when I thumbs up something, it is genuinely a thumbs up.

World.

I'm with you.

You and I are old.

Yeah.

The other thing.

It's definitely what it is.

Yeah.

The other thing that people find like passive aggressive,

I learned this hard way again because I'm old, is like putting a period at the end of words or at the end of sentences.

I get in trouble when I use punctuation.

I'm always like, what are you mad about?

Yeah, I got in trouble as a kid for not using punctuation.

so i it's ingrained in me to this day when i type if i don't put a if i don't use proper punctuation or grammar i think i in the back of my head my mom is yelling at me we have gone around the world and like we're old enough to where

We've been online for so long that the rules of communication have gone in the complete other direction because what everyone used to hammer everyone, any typo or spelling mistake or punctuation fuck up or whatever, and you're in an argument, blood and water.

Yeah.

Actually, according to the AP style guy,

it really is just get up.

And now it is like, you better type in all lowercase and no punctuation.

If you type ha ha, you better be ready to fix that friendship.

It's just different.

It's just a different style of communication.

And it's,

yeah, you like, you have to be, I'm mindful of the thumbs up at work because you, to me, it is that conversation ender or whatever yeah but also i think some people think it is like it is like that hard stamp of like passive aggressiveness or like a fuck you or whatever and i'm just going well yeah i don't want to continue this conversation so this is over here you go

it's in that period why it's there yes that's what you think yeah has anybody ever given you a thumbs up in the real world and you went you motherfucker

Like maybe on a very rare occasion,

just driving is like when you fuck up and they go, yeah, thumbs up, thumbs Thumbs up.

And then you just go, I'll kill you.

I'll kill you.

Yeah.

You know,

I'm deep in uncharted territory with The Simpsons.

I'm in season 29 currently.

What year did season 29 come from?

I believe it's 20.

The episodes I'm watching right now, I believe, are mid-2017.

Okay.

And there's a joke that

Flanders makes in an episode I just saw the other day where, you know, he's at the fence in his backyard and Homer's on the other side and Homer does something to make Flanders angry.

And Rod and Todd are out there.

And Flanders tells his kids, cover your eyes, boys.

I'm going to give give Mr.

Simpson the Flanders finger, a thumbs up with no friendly wink.

And that's, I feel like that's very much in line with that same kind of reaction when you're texting someone.

You know, what's really helped me with work is not using a thumbs up to respond to stuff, but picking a different emoji that I use all the time.

And it's cat with sunglasses.

And I just respond to when I want it to be a conversation edit.

I just send cat with sunglasses as like a response to like their thing.

Can't be mad.

It's not a thumbs up.

I'm not being passive aggressive.

You put thought into it.

It is.

Yes, exactly.

There's, it's the conversation ender or whatever, but it is not

what it can be interpreted as like a, oh, well, fuck this guy.

It's cat with sunglasses.

Yeah.

How can you be mad at cat with sunglasses?

No, you got it.

You have to pick one.

I actually taught Jillian, who works on RedWeb, she started doing the same thing with a cat that is called Herglit, and it looks like a little freak.

And she's just like, I respond with that all the time.

I don't know.

Her glitch.

It's fucking great.

It's great.

That's what you have to pick something like that and don't use punctuation.

Start writing URL, write in Leet Speak like Mega Tokyo and get what?

And then get crazy and you're good.

You're learning all your communication skills from Adma here.

That's what this podcast is for.

When's the last time you said something that made me curious, Jeff.

Do you still own an AP style guide?

When's the last time you opened and looked at an AP style guide?

And do you think anyone listening to this podcast knows knows what an AP style guide is?

I,

well, first off, an AP style guide,

AP stands for the Associated Press.

The Associated Press is a media outlet, and they historically published their style guide.

I think there's probably a Reuters style guide.

There might be an All-Star, like an AFP style guide.

I don't know.

There might be a New York, there's probably a New York Times style guide, but the Associated Press one became kind of the industry standard in journalism, at least when I was a journalist.

And so I do, I believe, still have my AP style guide from

1994.

I'm going to assume it's updated since then, but I think I have it.

No thumbs ups.

That's in the new updated style guide.

I think that's around the same time, the last time I bought a style guide.

I believe I have one from...

I want to say 95, maybe not 94, because it was like making that transition from high school to college, like writing

letters and all of that stuff.

It was important back then.

Because it was like, it would, you know, it would tell you

what the proper formatting for typing things out, like sentences, sentence structure, if you're going to bowl something or how many, like at what, like, how, what number do you stop writing the number out and truncate it to the, to the, to the numerical?

Yeah.

Uh, well, anything over 10, I think you use it.

I thought it was 100.

I think one through nine you write out.

And then you just hit him with a, well,

if you were, if he was wearing glasses, he'd be pushing those up real hard right now.

So like for just to try to explain to people what was in that book.

And as a journalist, it was like my Bible.

Like I kept it with me and I used it.

Even I was a journalist for five years.

I probably used it

daily for the first three years.

I feel like, I don't know if they ever, I only got that one one time, the AP Style Guide.

And I remember that fucking cover of that book so well.

It was like all gray and had like a vertical rainbow stripe on the left side near the spine going from the top down to the bottom.

Did you just have a a spine mine was spiral bound

and

blue i was a i was an enthusiast i wasn't a professional style guide user so i didn't have the style

they issued me when the army they're like here's your style guide uh i assume they they know you're gonna open and close that one a lot more yeah probably they're on the 35th edition and it is still spiral bound oh the one i had i feel like the one i had was not spiral bound

but

uh can i see one are you looking at me i was yeah i'll pick it back up hang on a piece of guide i'm just curious there was uh there was that book.

There were two books that I was issued in journalism school that were just invaluable.

There was that one, and there was a book called The Photographer's Guide to Photojournalism.

There you go.

It's like purple now.

The classic.

Let me see it.

The classic practical.

Yeah, mine looks not too dissimilar from that, but blue.

And no circle.

The thing that they have now is, I mean, you can get, they still manufacture and

sell the Spiral Bound edition, but the AP style book online is the thing they're really pushing.

Like, you get it online.

They also have.

Oh, is it a subscription now?

You pay, and then every year they update it automatically.

So, there's a subscription on the Spiral Brand print where if you buy it, you can check a box and then save 20% for when they print the next one.

Um, they also have online AP style checking tools to put into Word or Outlook or whatever.

So, it does all the

checking for

could you imagine having that when you were doing that show?

I did that shit with a typewriter.

Dude,

you want to know how old I was thinking about this the other day.

So, when I was in the Army, I learned digital photography because the Army switched to digital photography in 1996 about.

Early adopters.

Early adopters, yeah.

Our digital cameras were actually Nikon F4 cameras, which was the fucking, there were two cameras you wanted.

You wanted a, at the time you wanted, a

Canon F100, Canon F1, whatever it was, or a Nikon F4.

And

the Nikon F4 was just like a fucking beast.

It was what I would take to Kuwait with me all the time because it was really sturdy.

And they they would, you would, Kodak made this back called a DCS, I don't know, 400 or something.

And you would put that back onto the existing Nikon F4 and turn it into a digital camera.

So it's like a camera body that you put a digital back on.

A digital back on, right?

And those were the first digital cameras that we would have in the Army.

That digital back was like 16 grand.

Damn.

And I bet

it was like super low resolution compared to what we have now.

It was good,

not compared to what we have now, but it was good enough for journalism and stuff.

Like it was still pretty high res.

like, I think it might have been full frame.

I don't remember.

It was so long ago.

But I, I was so old that when I went through journalism school, we learned how to lay out and design newspapers.

Uh, they were still teaching the way manuals.

So, you would, you didn't use computers to lay out newspapers.

You would write your article or whatever, and you would print it out, and then you would run it through this machine that would wax it, and then you would cut it, and then you had this giant board with all of the different elements, like your headline, your masthead, uh, photos photo credits and you would physically lay them out on the on the fucking on the giant board and get everything with a ruler get everything like pica perfect and then uh and then you would turn that sheet in to the printer and then they would make the newspaper off of that and that's how I learned journalism so when you about a year after I learned that I started doing it and they were like, why did they teach you that?

We use computers now.

And it was wild, but I was like one of the last groups that learned that old-ass way.

So when you printed it out, it printed like one column width.

Is that what you're saying?

And yeah, however you wanted to print it.

However, you arrange those columns.

Yeah,

it would be however you'd want to print it.

If you wanted to print out three column widths, you could.

But it was like this giant printer, and then it would go through this huge machine that was like a double rollers like this, you know, and it would just go through.

And then it would just pick up an amount of wax that made it flat and stick down.

And then you could move it around and stuff.

It was fucking cool.

Wow.

It was also very old and very manual.

And a lot of like just staring over with like a ruler trying to figure out how to get stuff perfect.

And then, and then like, I don't know, they flushed all of that probably the class after the class.

I went through the army.

I was one of the very last people to learn it that way.

I mean, isn't that crazy though?

That, like, and that was in the 90s, by the way.

That's how they made newspapers in the 90s.

I was going to say, like, that's a long time ago in terms of a regular person's lifespan.

In terms of how long we've had a printing press and like the ability to create these kinds of things, you would never have anyone doing that kind of thing unless it was a super specialized thing.

Now, just because because of computers and that's within 40 years yeah i want my crazy newspapers artisanal handmade

oh you know

it was sure somewhere in austin you can get that

it was artisanal for sure man it was a whole different world back then there was definitely an art to it that's crazy you put the art in artisanal

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Do you miss that?

Like having like the hands-on of that kind of thing?

Or is it more of a looking back, what an experience, but if I had to do it again, I think I'd jump out a window.

I don't miss it because I got, I, I got to fuck around with it enough throughout my career.

Like I did that for five years and I was burned out by the time I did it.

I got, you know, the last, not the last year I was in the Army, but before my second to last job in the Army, I was the

perfect for me.

I was the entertainment section editor of the Fort Hood Sentinel, which is the largest newspaper in the military,

next to the Army Times, which is a weekly.

It's the largest, which is, it was the, I don't know, it was a very large newspaper at the time.

I don't remember exactly how it breaks down, but it's one of the largest newspapers in the Army.

Circulation was like 80,000.

And so I was the entertainment section editor for that.

And so for like two years, all I did, I was a one-man operation for that.

Everybody had their own section.

And so I would go to Austin and take photos and write stories about visiting the Capitol or going to Chicken Chip Bingo or whatever it was.

And then I would manually lay out the newspaper myself and do all of that.

And I got really good at it.

And I really loved it.

It was very creative and artistic.

Was the focus

on things that were drivable and things that presumably people at the base could do

on a weekend.

I don't think there were ever any guidelines necessarily, but I kept it within like two hours.

So it's like I would do a lot of like a lot of motorcycle rallies, honestly, a lot of shit the soldiers were into, you know, a lot of stuff up in Waco.

I spent more time in Waco than Austin because it was a little bit closer.

And a lot of soldiers lived in Waco and would commute into Kaleen.

Colleen.

Did you ever go to Dallas?

I feel like Dallas is

too far.

Yeah, it's like San Antonio a few times, but mostly not further than that.

It was a lot of like go to the Topsy Animal Ranch in Topsy, Texas, or go up to Gatesville and do an article on the drive-in theater they have up there, or you know, that kind of shit.

But I got really good at it, and really, and I really did enjoy it.

And so, years later, when we did RT Comics, I decided to publish a book.

We made five volumes of it, five RT comics.

And Luke McKay was the artist, and then my ex-wife was the author.

She wrote it.

But I created the first three books.

And so I got to use all my layout and design skills and Adobe InDesign and redo it.

And then they took over after that and made the rest of them.

And so I got to circle back and do it again just enough to enjoy it and get a taste of it.

And then when we came back around to do the Facebook,

I told Tony, I was like, I'm going to lay it out.

I'm going to do the whole thing.

I got this.

Don't worry about it.

And then after about three months of Tony going, hey, man, we we really got to get going on this book.

I went, okay, you do it.

I don't want anything to do with it.

I'll write the stuff.

And so I wrote everything for the, I wrote most of the recipes, but I wrote all of the jokes and all of the, there's a lot of text in the book, actually.

And then he did all of the layout.

And I realized in 2023 that I have no desire to do that anymore.

InDesign still exists?

I think so.

Yeah, it's an Adobe product.

It used to be Aldous PageMaker.

Oh, and then

Adobe bought Aldous and then merged PageMaker and InDesign, and then it became InDesign.

I I believe that's how that went.

Luckily, Adobe is so, like, their standard of quality is so high that what great software they're putting out year after year.

Thank you so much for that.

Speaking of subscriptions.

Thank you, Adobe, for becoming a subscription model.

Yeah, keep it up.

Thank you so much.

I will say the subscription model fucking sucks.

But the one bright spot is I always felt like trying to buy Creative Suite was so prohibitively expensive.

Yeah.

You know, it was like $1,300 or whatever the fuck it was.

It was like, or I could pay him $20 a month forever.

Yeah, I guess.

I just don't think that, like, I don't know that I owned a legal copy until I worked here.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So that's sort of like the way that that really operates.

Well, and that really, I don't, you know, now with the subscription, that really clamps down on piracy.

And I think that's just online checks constantly.

That's the only reason.

To me, that's the only reason that they went to the subscription all.

They went, oh, we figured out how to make sure these kids don't have to swap a DVD around with that and a final draft so get them

school kids get them yeah don't get me wrong I'm not saying they did it for altruistic reasons to make the software more accessible no there's there's definitely something on the back end for them too plus I mean god that stuff was so fucking expensive it was like a fucking thousand dollars to buy Photoshop back in the day yeah I remember like

I had it when I was younger, but I would ask like UT students.

UT students could get it at a discount at the store here.

Yeah, for like 50 bucks.

Yeah.

Yeah, and I'd be like, hey, can you, you know, if I give you 50 50 bucks, can you go buy me a copy of Photoshop or whatever the fuck I needed?

You know, and it was, it was still a lot of money back then, but at least it wasn't $600 or $1,000 or whatever the fuck it costs normally.

I don't mind the subscription service at all when Rooster Teeth pays for my subscription.

Exactly what I was going to say.

All I have to do is like, every once in a while, I'll have to do some sort of slow-ass update when I try to open Photoshop that I don't understand.

I just feel guilty.

I feel like I should be using the software more.

Oh, I use Photoshop and Audition

more than anything else in my professional career.

I record every podcast through Adobe Audition because Audacity didn't work with my version of Mac for a long time.

So I just got used to it.

I just got used to using Audition and became happy with it again.

And then,

yeah, I don't ever do video editing anymore.

I feel weird about that.

But I also don't miss it.

No, I hate video editing.

When I have to do something, we upload like a lot of our own stuff or whatever.

And when I have to edit something, it is pulling teeth to get me right there.

I just do it.

I normally don't either anymore, but what was it?

A couple months ago, maybe earlier this year at one point, Chris Demeris was working on a project and he could not, he sits right next to me.

We're in our office.

He could not get multicam editing to work.

And I was like, step aside, Chris.

This is the one thing I remember in Premiere.

Let me set up this project for you.

I actually like, I use, let me show you these shortcuts I can't forget.

I use Photoshop more than anything, probably, because I do all the f ⁇ face thumbnails now.

You know, I've been doing this for a while.

And I actually look forward to it every week.

I get excited to make it.

It's so much fun to do that.

It's always exciting to see what you pick for the thumbnail.

It's not always,

well, it's, you know, it's a marriage of like, what do I have, what makes a good image and what was a funny moment from the show.

So it's not always the funniest or the best image, even.

Sometimes it's just like what I can make work.

But I really enjoy doing it.

Sometimes they're bangers.

It's like a little puzzle.

It is.

It's great.

We're just about 40 minutes in.

Well, nearing 40 minutes.

And we should talk about Talisman a little bit.

So

Talisman's a small coffee shop within this mum foods place.

Kind of like it kind of has an all-gimmicks vibe.

Very nice.

You walk in to the right.

That's like what I was thinking.

Yeah, there's like a little,

a tiny little area where you can get coffee, and clearly in a much larger space that's used for something else.

All of the benches and tables in there look like they're from

an old coffee shop.

Like they are, they're just like these old benches that I don't know.

know, it just looks interesting.

And uh,

so what I knew Talisman for was at the uh farmer's market in the Mueller area, they were the only place that sold coffee.

What's funny is when before I came in to get you guys, I put Talisman in the GPS in my car and it tried to take me over to Mueller and it was like, Talisman will be closed when you get there.

Like, what?

That's the spot that they set up for the farmer's market.

They're inside, you know, where Kirby Lane is, and they have like the big, I don't even know what that indoor is

open-air facility.

Yeah, I don't know what that is, but that's part of the farmer's market.

They're in there, and the line is huge to get the coffee.

And that's where I knew Talisman from.

I've had that, I've had this coffee five or six times.

Just going to the farmer's market and kind of like hopping around.

And you're like, I will get it.

It gets really busy there on Aldrich Street with that farmer's market.

It's awesome.

It's crazy.

You got to go early, get a couple of tamales and a cup of coffee and walk around and pet a dog.

It's great.

Don't go in July or August.

Brutal.

Sucks.

Brutal.

Brutal, brutal.

But that's what I always knew it from.

And then I heard that they were opening a spot, but hadn't seen where it was opening.

We drove by it, and it's like, oh, fuck.

They got a cool logo.

They have a cool, it's like this sloth thing, and he's very cool.

And they have a great, I took a picture of it.

They have like this mural, like airbrushed on like the outside.

Jeff touched all of it.

And then

those corrugated metals.

I went,

Alabama brain.

Yeah, no kidding.

Corrigated metal phone.

So that's, that's sort of like the vibe that this place has.

It feels very,

be really honest, feels very gentrifying for that area.

Yeah, across from the Mayfield Dairy Queen next to

what's the market?

It used to be a lot Michokana.

I don't know what it is now.

Yeah, Lacanosta.

Have you ever been to a Lacanosta?

It's a different, it's a chain, I would assume, right?

I have no idea.

Okay.

It's more of a JD market guy.

So

there's like a bunch of Mercados and sort of corner stores and everything.

Just an area where you wouldn't expect something like this, but now it's there and you see that it's like, oh, they are the first

to me in that thing, like, that's going to be the thing that is going to get other stuff in around there if it can last.

Yeah.

Um,

I got the regular drip coffee, Gus got the Americano, got an Americano, and um, Jeff got the cold brew.

Jeff's cold brew was it was an interesting color

to a normal color.

Was it just like bubbles or something?

I guess so.

It was probably, it was maybe on Metro.

Yeah.

Um, but what did you guys think of the coffee?

This was not my favorite cup of coffee.

Oh, really?

With the Americano.

I just wasn't digging it.

I don't know if it's me.

Maybe kind of burned.

I don't know.

It just didn't taste right.

I can't quite put my finger on it.

It's not, again, not at the level of that place down south whose name I can't remember, but definitely not.

It's on par with...

What's that place we went to in Nash and Bevy?

Oh,

Dog Day.

Dog Day.

Yeah, it's about on par with Dog Day.

What do I give that?

Like a six and a half?

Six.

Somewhere.

It's somewhere on there.

What do you think of your Cold Brew?

My Cold Brew was good.

It was different.

It tasted a little unique.

I don't know why or how,

but

I would give it a

8.1.

Ooh, interesting.

I liked it.

I would drink it again.

Yeah, I would give this coffee probably an 8.

This is...

I've had it a few times, so I knew what I was getting.

I suspected I knew what I was getting.

And it is exactly what I thought it it was.

It's a little bit of a darker roast than I typically like.

There's not like a sourness or like a fruitiness to it.

It is very

almost chocolatey without being

when I drink like really dark roast coffee, like, you know, like an Italian roast or like a French roast kind of coffee, it gives me almost like a headache.

I don't like the taste and it's just very almost like acrid.

This walks that line where you're like, oh, is it gonna, and it doesn't?

Yeah, that's a good way to describe it.

That's why I think that's what I was getting at.

It's not, you expect it to be like it it it promises acronym and then doesn't deliver in a good way

threatens across it it delivered it over here i got the shipment you guys missed it's it's it's definitely and i think talisman

like leans on this which is a darker roast coffee um Again, when you get into coffee, you kind of pick your favorites and you find the things that you like.

And I love a light, light, light, light, light, light roast.

I want something where like the bean just cracked.

I want it to be grassy.

I want it to be fruity and sour.

I like those notes.

This isn't typically a cup of coffee that I wouldn't make this at home.

There's a reason I haven't bought the beans from Talisman to make at home because I know I wouldn't enjoy it at home.

But when I'm out and I get this, I think it's a fine cup of coffee and I do enjoy

what they're doing there.

I got a new coffee maker a few months ago and I've been really

enjoying making coffee at home quite a bit.

So I drink way more coffee now in the morning than I used to.

And it's funny, there's like so many different options you can get with a coffee maker, like so many fancy fancy things you can get into it.

All I wanted was a coffee maker with a timer so I could like put my coffee in it the night before, set the timer for when my alarm goes off.

I wake up, smell coffee, go to my kitchen, and the coffee's ready, and just pour it.

And it's been like just that simple.

That's all I need.

Like you can buy a fucking coffee maker with Wi-Fi or an app or all that shit.

I don't want that.

Right, dude.

I don't need any of that stuff.

My refrigerator can't connect to Wi-Fi.

Why?

Or your washing machine?

Buy a coffee maker that doesn't connect to Wi-Fi.

Yeah.

Like,

you know, I had a renovation done several years ago at my place.

I had to buy a new oven, and they were like, there was like one I wanted, and then there was like another one that was very comparable.

It was like a few hundred dollars more.

I was like, what's the difference?

And they were like, oh, this one that costs more has Wi-Fi.

So you can turn it on from an app.

Like, why the fuck would I ever want to turn on my oven from an app?

Well, honey, we're driving home.

Get the oven started.

That sounds like a fucking nightmare to me.

My dickhead fridge is Wi-Fi capable as well.

I had to, but it didn't ship with

the little Wi-Fi, I don't know,

antenna or whatever it is, like a little module.

And so they had to ship it to me, and I had to install it.

And then I did, and I thought, why did I do that?

I'm never,

never going to use this.

And then I haven't even, since that day, I haven't even thought about it till this moment.

Yeah, turn it off.

What the fuck I would use Wi-Fi on my fridge for?

That's so fucking dumb.

You don't have a screen on your fridge, right?

Yeah.

I don't.

I wasn't.

I think it's to like change temperature or something.

There's Wi-Fi in my fridge, too.

And I connected it because I thought, like, you, you could change temperature or something.

Uh-uh.

Well, what do you do with it?

You can put it in vacation mode from the Wi-Fi.

Oh.

And you know what vacation mode is?

It turns the fridge off.

Why would you ever...

Right.

I was like, why would anyone want this?

It's like, if the only reason I could think of doing it is if you're like...

It's in a home you don't spend very much time in.

We're like, I'm going to be gone for months.

You're a flight attendant.

Right.

I'm going to be gone for a couple months.

I'm going to throw everything in my fridge away, leave it empty, and turn it off.

You know what you don't want?

A musty fridge that's sat closed off.

Yeah.

Like, you're going to walk home to a really terrible smell.

Yeah.

Hell smell.

So yeah, I.

Even if it's empty, it's just going to smell gross.

I just disabled the Wi-Fi on my fridge.

There's no point.

I don't fucking want that.

I would only do it if I had a screen on.

I'm so, I was so anti-screen on a fridge for a long time.

And then I had a friend that got one and he was like, oh, it's great.

You ever watch the shittiest YouTube videos you've ever seen, but on a refrigerator?

And I went, that sounds amazing.

I have that.

I have that little

Alexa that has a screen right next to my fridge.

So I get the same effect.

Yeah, no, I've been in your house where we've been in the kitchen and talking and then you say something like that and it just turns and looks at you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a fucking terrible

nightmare.

Oh, it's the worst.

It's the, it follows you around the room.

It really, like, you say something that sounds like Alexa and it goes

and looks at you and you go, oh,

fuck, you rain.

Yeah, sucks.

It's creepy dystopian future.

Big time.

Yeah.

I really recommend if you are just a person who wants coffee, do what Gus did.

Go to Walmart or Target and get one that has no connection to anything, but an alarm, a timer that you can set, an alarm, because man, when you, I love the ritual of making coffee in the morning.

It's very nice.

I like, I really enjoy it, choosing what I'm going to make and doing all that stuff.

If I just wanted coffee and I could...

Set the alarm and then I wake up and go downstairs and it is being brewed as I walk downstairs and it smells like coffee.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I get down.

It just finished brewing.

Drink fucking half a pot of coffee every every morning.

It is

literally the last thing Emily or I do when we go to bed when we like close the house down for the night

is set the coffee up.

Yeah.

Damn.

It's great.

Yep.

Well, that's Talisman Coffee, and this is episode 69.

Talisman, I recommend as just a little spot to check out.

But we should go there for lunch.

Yeah, we need to get that barbecue.

We should make that.

I'm going to try that pistol.

I'm going to try it.

Yeah.

I'm going to go to Brisbane.

Are they even open for?

Whatever.

We'll figure it out.

I'll figure it out right as soon as we're done with this.

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This is from Mr.

Odin.

What's a piece of Austin ephemera that people say they miss, that in your piece, that in your opinion never existed?

He says, for example, in my city,

people in my generation talk about missing the varied nightlife, being out until the wee hours hanging out, but really it's only ever been a couple of bars and clubs open past midnight.

So something that people sort of lament for,

like nostalgia for an age that never existed type of stuff.

Is there stuff there for you?

We've kind of touched on this

in the past.

I think people have a nostalgia for like what were considered some personalities in Austin years ago.

Like people always talk about Leslie fondly, you know, being down.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.

Really?

I don't have as many fond memories as a lot of other people do.

Of who, Leslie?

Yeah, interactions with Leslie.

Dude, he was a dickhead.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I loved Leslie like everybody else did, but I would always get tattooed over on Southside Tattoo, and he would always come in and he would just expect you to give him shit.

He'd be like, hey, let me get $5 from you.

And you'd be like, I don't really want to give you $5 on that.

And he'd like, fuck you.

And he'd be like, really mean.

Sometimes he could be really affable and nice and sweet, but he could just be really like, he was, I mean, he was clearly not

there.

Or yeah, there was something going on there.

And so he would flip.

And you didn't know like which Leslie you were getting.

So I would avoid him by the end of it.

Some people only got the really affable side.

Yeah.

That was their one interaction ever.

I think they maybe didn't see all of it.

That's kind of one of the ones I would think about, like something that people remember differently or that miss, but really wasn't there.

Also, to a lesser extent,

safety on 6th Street or downtown.

Yeah.

It's always been kind of

dangerous.

It is worse now.

There was a fucking shooting Saturday night on 6th Street.

There was a shooting at the mall, too, by the way.

Two shootings of the same fucking day.

Yeah, there was a shooting outside by the Cheesecake Factory.

Yeah.

It's the entrance we walked into when we went over there.

But it was always rough.

You 50-50 chance you were going to get your ass kicked going down back then.

Maybe not.

I used to always say, if you stick around 36th until 2 a.m.

when the bars closed, you've got like a 25% chance of getting into a fight on the way to your car.

It's a lot of people making eye contact, looking for trouble for people who, for some reason, make eye contact with the people who are looking for trouble.

It's every aggressive, drunken, angry dude who didn't find somebody to go home with, looking, I'm either going to fuck or fight.

Yep.

Is how they is how

Sixth Street is like at 2 a.m.

And there's a lot of fighting.

I think there is a lot of nostalgia for like, oh, how Sixth Street used to be.

There's a lot of that in San Diego with like Pacific Beach and stuff, but it's like, it was never good.

So I don't really know.

It's sort of always what it has been and just sort of the

end

point of what it was going to be anyway.

People used to always talk about, maybe you know about this a little bit, guys, but I always feel like people always talk about how there was a place called Holiday House everybody loved.

Everybody talks about how much they miss Holiday House.

I have no idea what that is.

I went there a couple of times.

Apparently, like I, I think it closed shortly after I got here, like in the late 90s, early 2000s.

I went to one over in Terrytown.

It's like off of Exposition, kind of where Beer Plant is.

And I'm Austin, Petsalavi.

It was over there.

I think it was like a,

became a bank or something.

It's something else now.

Who knows what it is?

It was always fine.

Yeah.

Is it a restaurant?

Yeah, it's a restaurant.

How about

Dog and Duck Pub?

Dog and Duck Pub.

I went there a few times.

Everybody loved Dog and Duck Pub.

I never got it.

Yeah, it was fine.

It was over there, kind of North Campus, like down off of Guadalupe, I think.

It moved actually over to Weberville, but it wasn't there for very long.

Yeah.

Again, fine.

I think we may have had like a Rooster Teeth or an RVB event there once, like in 04, 05.

Fine.

Not missing really anything.

Yeah, I can't really think of it.

You know what I do kind of miss is, I don't know if you ever went there, players?

I don't miss players.

I miss players.

It was like a little shitty, greasy restaurant right by campus, like off of MLK and Guadalupe.

I think there's like a tall building there now.

It was just like, they had good onion rings.

They had good

toss.

They had shakes and malts.

Yeah.

That was a big thing was they had malts, and their malts were pretty good.

That was one of those places where it was in danger of closing.

It was like a UT, a beloved UT thing.

Everybody was upset and up in arms about it.

Save players, the whole thing.

And then it eventually closed.

And I don't think anybody remembers or gives a shit.

That's what's what's gonna i ate at dirty martens yesterday

and uh oh last night for dinner and i think that place is about to go away as well there's a like a save dirty martens campaign right now and i wonder if it'll be a similar thing where it's like it's a big deal until it's gone and then just like a year later everybody forgets about it yeah which is sad because the place has been around since like 1926 yeah but uh what about the live music capital of whatever that austin used to be it's not anymore it never has it never was that's how that is how i don't know man in in the in the early 90s, I do feel like you would open up the Chronicle and there would be four bands you've heard of playing every week, almost every night.

It definitely was closer to that in the 90s than it is now.

Austin's been riding that theme for a long fucking time, and it hasn't been anywhere close to that for a long time.

But there was a period in time when it was.

If it's the live music capital of the world, I feel like we'd have more

known bands coming out from here.

It's originating here.

I think that's the live music capital.

If you are on 6th Street and want to hear a guy play a Sublime cover,

I think then it's the live music capital of the world.

But

in terms of

bands that are coming from here and everything, it's just fewer and far between, I think.

Yeah, I don't know.

There's been a billion bands that have come from Austin.

Maybe I'm just unaware.

It's a lot of stuff you don't like.

Music Stevie Ray Von.

You don't give a shit.

Yeah, man.

You don't care anything about that scene.

Neither do I.

Riding that wave.

Contemporary artist Stevie Rayvon.

You don't like all those

records.

All those like 20 twins, 2010s indie bands you don't like.

Like Voxtrot or Ghostland Observatory or that kind of shit.

A spoon from here.

Spoon's from here.

Yeah, Spoon is Austin Logan.

Dangerous Toys.

What about them?

I just think.

Have you met a band?

I definitely think that riding that wave of the Live Music Capital.

It's like, oh, you mean Nashville?

You mean Nashville?

Yeah, I would definitely.

It's definitely not what it was.

And it's also not weird.

Like keep Austin weird and the live music capital in the world are monikers that don't apply anymore, but that we fucking hold on to.

Yeah.

Yeah, I definitely believed Austin was live music capital of the world more until I went to Nashville.

Yeah.

I was like, oh, shit.

Oh, this is a way.

It's not just the quantity that's different.

It is the quality.

The people, and you just go into a bar and you're like, wow, this is...

This band might be pretty good.

And then you go to like the next part and you go, fuck, this band might be pretty good.

And then you're on 6th Street and you go, man, they're playing Sublime again, huh?

Uh, man, I think it's just way different, though.

Oh, definitely, yeah.

Um,

yeah, so that I think that does it for Anma for us.

I don't know, maybe we'll record one more.

Maybe we'll go get lunch and make it happen.

Have a

final burger episode for the end of the year, yeah.

Maybe we'll record one, and then it'll come out mid-January,

guys.

What a great 2023!

It's fucking three weeks into 2024.

Um, but this was great.

Uh, episode 69 in the books, Talisman Coffee.

Um, if you want to contact us at Anima Podcast, Twitter, and on Instagram, r/slash anima podcast, the subreddit we do not run, but that does it for Anima.

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Fire shirt.

There you go.

See you next year, which is, you're already there.

Yeah, it's probably now.

Hey, welcome to 2024.

It's going to be a great year.