A Complicated Relationship with the Fries

This is the last episode that we have before a two-week break.

Where

one of the episodes we've already recorded for the two-week break.

So we're only on the hook for one.

Oh, for one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Last time we read Does Nudo Coffee.

So good.

Yeah, we talked about the bubblegum winner.

We talked about audience interaction.

For some reason, we talked about lost.

We talked about card breaking, collecting, 20th anniversary of Red versus Blue, outsourced calls, center calls, Smoke Warehouse again, and Betty Blackwell.

Oh, that was all last week.

Do you know Betty Blackwell?

Do you know Betty?

I wonder, you know, we were talking about Lost last week.

I wonder what is the, I don't know if you go back to the beginning of RT or maybe just go back to the beginning of podcasting, so RT or Drunk Tank episode one, which would be where our podcasting journey began.

I wonder if you go back, what is the longest conversation we've had?

Because lost now started at some point in there and it's still being discussed.

Yeah, we

I would say that Drunk Tank was initially a lost podcast because I I think 70% of our episodes were lost-centric

for the first couple of years.

Lost around 2004 to 2009 or 2010.

I forget what it was, somewhere around there.

So

it was right when we were starting that podcast because that podcast started late 08.

I've never...

been i've never gone so into and then so quickly out of a show as i did lost i was so into it for like three three seasons and then i just read the entire last two seasons on wikipedia well every day they like when the new episode would come out i'd just go to wikipedia and read the the summary.

What's funny is, you know, history is repeating itself.

I think what really hurt Lost and killed it back then was the writer's strike.

Yep.

Yeah.

You know,

you ended up with, I think, two truncated seasons and a lot of stuff that just got really messy because

they didn't have writers.

Like they didn't finish the story.

And to be fair, they didn't have much of an idea where they were going when they started the show.

Yeah, and I think that's...

That's fine.

I think some people really hate that.

I think ending a show is very difficult.

Oh, I agree.

I think most, and I think people were generally unhappy with that because it didn't go in the direction they wanted it to.

I thought the ending of Lost was fine.

I liked it.

Yeah, I thought it was, I was totally happy with it.

I had no problem with it.

I couldn't get interested in the entire last season, personally.

But I think that we do endings well now.

I think a lot of TV shows are crafted to only be a certain runtime these days.

Like Killing Eve.

I had a great ending.

I don't know if you guys ever watched that show.

Great show.

Yeah.

But I mean, that show also,

I think it's better when you have a set, this is what we're going to do.

Sure, like, like

the terror.

Yeah, even

Killing Eve got a little muddied in the middle.

Yeah.

Well, there's always going to be a little mud in there somewhere.

Yeah.

But I think, you know, when you're like, this is, you know, our story, this is what we're going to do.

I think Lost, they kind of introduced some spooky elements and then didn't know what the answers were.

Or like, we'll get there.

And they just got there in a way that a lot of people didn't like.

Yeah.

That's fair.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, this, it's just, it's just a different approach.

Remember when the bird said Hurley's name or whatever?

I do not remember that.

Wasn't there like a bird?

You just saw like a crazy bird at the beginning.

I thought it said his name.

That was Game of Thrones.

It was a TV ad Raven.

That's right.

That's right.

Everyone's birds are the same.

But that's,

but that's what you have to do if you have a prestige TV show.

You have to put a bird in that says someone's name.

So something to think about.

I think also that being a network show hurt lost.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If it had been a show that came out in the teens, like mid-2010s or whatever, it was on AMC, you could go in a lot of different directions.

But this was a show that was on ABC and looked like it was on ABC.

And look what ABC has famously done to such other great series as Twin Peaks.

David Lynch said, we're not going to solve the murder of Laura Palmer.

And ABC said, yeah, once you go ahead and wrap that up at the end of season one, please.

Uh-huh.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Anyway, do another season.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's wild to me.

Like, I'm still re-watching.

It's wild to me when I'm watching it to think, like, this was a network TV show.

I have to think about the state of network TV shows now and you know cable shows just weren't at that at that point.

No, no, no, no.

It would have been a totally different beast.

I will say one thing that's cool about Lost is that even for all of its faults, of which I feel are many,

it still did what it did better than any of, if there were predecessors, I can't think of them, but anything that came after, like Millie and I, one of our guilty pleasures was Manifest.

Very similar kind of show.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

Vague sci-fi religious premise.

Very clearly, the writers don't know where they're going with it.

And it started off okay, and then just got worse and worse and worse, but we were invested in it, so we kept with it.

But

you're hard-pressed to find shows.

I guess there's, like you were saying, some non-network shows, like Outer Range is a show that's like plausible or like weird sci-fi, but in a current setting that just makes everything feel a little askew.

But there just aren't a lot of it to do it well.

Yeah.

I don't think.

Yeah, well, it's hard to do.

I think like if you go too hard sci-fi, you lose a lot of the audience.

Yeah.

Like a lot of the audience is not going to tune in for it.

Like my fiancé will never watch Foundation.

Never watching it.

I watched Foundation Season 1.

I thought it was slow, but I liked it.

I'm waiting for all of season two to be out before I watch it.

I'm probably going to re-watch one and then watch two.

I've watched about half of one.

I only bring it up because I'm watching it now.

I like it.

It is slow, but I enjoy it.

And I was a big fan of the books when I was a kid.

So it's cool to like,

to watch the show and go, do I remember this or not?

Do I?

And you try to convince yourself you remember shit, but you probably don't.

I thought about rereading the books in anticipation of the show, and I just never got around to it again.

Oh, good morning, Gus.

Oh, it's afternoon.

Yeah.

Good morning somewhere.

It's 5 a.m.

somewhere.

We're doing a burger episode this week, changing things up a little bit.

Because we're recording on our not normal day, so we thought, hey, why not?

Not normal days lend themselves really well to burgers.

Yes, I find.

I think doing it, just changing it up in the afternoon and doing a little lunch episode.

It's fun.

It's fun.

Yeah, plus,

I'm sorry.

I didn't, I was wondering if I was going to talk about this or not, but I have to bring it up.

Okay.

Jeff, you're a terrible driver.

Last week, Jeff drove us to the recording, to Destiny Little Coffee, and then back here to Tokyo.

He does the studio.

I'm going to go to Austin.

I'm in a room.

I'm driving there.

I was like, okay, he doesn't know exactly where it is.

That's fine.

If we take a few couple wrong turns, that's okay.

I've done that too.

But then coming back to the studio, we reached a point where the studio was to the left and Jeff was not in the left turn lane.

He got in the lane to turn right.

And I like inadvertently, I just blurted out like, Jeff, you have to turn left.

Like, I don't know what your plan is if you turn right at this light.

All right, here we go.

Three things.

I'm going to refute your statement that I'm a terrible driver

while making some concessions and allowances.

One,

I think I'm a good driver.

I think that we got there safely.

And the driving portion was totally fine.

I adhered to all the laws of the state of Texas and drove the vehicle quite adeptly,

if not deftly.

Two,

I am a terrible navigator.

You can say that I'm a shitty navigator, but I wouldn't say that I'm a shitty driver.

2.5, that's by design.

I, many years ago, I decided that there was nothing more boring than driving the same way to a place over and over again.

I get, I run from boredom at every opportunity.

It drives me nuts.

And so I decided, I'll just figure, like, I don't use Google Maps.

i'll just go there and i'll get there eventually and half the time i'm listening to music or howard stern or a podcast and so getting there i'm not in a hurry i'm on my own time i'm alone most of the time so i just get there when i get there and then and then i find out little i that's how i find out about austin and little places that i haven't seen and i turn down a road i get distracted much like my podcast that's so all right where it's just me getting distracted by shit i do that when i'm driving i'm like oh i've never seen that road it's like a podcast in driving for yeah it's just how i dude it's not even that it's just how i navigate life right and then three uh because that was 2.5 2.5 three uh i knew and i could have talked to this talked about this with eric before i did it i probably should have because it'd be funnier for this podcast but i knew that if i drove in an annoying manner i would never have to do it again that's what i was going to segue to that's the jeff way yeah if you don't want to do something do it so bad you never get asked to do it again yeah and when we drove out to get burgers today eric asked who's driving and i said It's definitely me.

Jeff is never driving again.

Yep.

And I had the biggest, most honest smile you've ever seen.

He tapped me on the shoulder and gave me the biggest grin.

It was so fucking funny.

Jeff was so excited just about the conversation we were having when we were driving back to the studio.

And I couldn't tell you what that conversation was about, but he was

enjoying it.

Invested.

And the whole time, me and Gus are going, that's weird.

You could have taken a left here.

That's a weird.

Oh, that's weird.

You could have taken a left here also.

Oh.

Yeah, no, I wasn't paying attention.

No, no, I was paying attention to what we were doing.

Only left, only right.

Yeah, only right.

Straight or right.

Like, you've got to make a left eventually.

We were going to head on over to Batch and just record.

That was really something.

So Gus drove us today.

Yeah.

Drove us the...

Did a great job.

Thank you.

Drove us the 120 seconds down the street to Hilbert's.

By the way, it would have been pretty hard for me to get lost between here and Hilbert.

You would have found a way to get it.

I would have tried.

I was definitely going to go down Berkman.

I wouldn't have gone.

Can you imagine if he just were pulling out of the driveway at the office and he just hangs a ray?

Turn right.

All right, we're just going to go.

We'll go down to Waterbrook and approach it from that angle.

We were talking about it.

Jeff went, you guys ever been to Hilbert's via Mopac?

That's a local joke for you.

It was pretty good.

I saw it.

On the podcast.

Evil Mopac ATX has a podcast now.

I don't know if you saw that.

No, I didn't see that.

I think he's got like two episodes out.

Should we try to get you guys on it or get him on this?

I don't.

Is that something we should do?

I don't know.

Big fan of his work, though.

Yeah.

Evil Mopak.

Dude, the Austin Zebra has been pretty entertaining lately.

Oh, I sent one to Gus and Jordan the other day.

I have to find it so I can read it to you.

There's Gus had found other posts, and he'll send them to me and Jordan, Sweers,

and they will be very weird, but I was very happy to find this one.

Topless maid in ATX wanting to get my wife a fun gift.

Anyone know any topless maid services or ladies who do that?

Thanks.

What a fucking gift.

One of my all-time favorite.

The Austin sorry, I always sort it by new so I can see that question.

You have to, yeah.

And like the stuff before it gets deleted.

Yeah.

Because there's inevitably really out there stuff.

That's one of the things I do like about Austin is I feel like the Austin subreddit is incredibly active and snarky.

And I think most cities probably do not have as active of a

subreddit.

I will, I can, I can back that up in that I am now in the Detroit and Gross Point subreddit.

And,

oh my God, what a snooze fest.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, no.

Very little snark.

The Gross Point subreddit's about dead.

I guess there just aren't enough people in Gross Point, or they're all on Facebook because they're all old.

A bunch of boomers.

But even the Detroit subreddit's like, yeah, it's lacking in

the festering anger that exists in the Austin subreddit.

My favorite recently is, you know, we've talked about this repeatedly, how this is the most brutal summer ever.

I think

by like head and shoulders, like by a wide shot, I think I saw the other day that we've had 40 days over 105 so far this year.

When typically we might have, it used to be none, but a more typical year of this nowadays might be two.

And so there have been a rash of articles about Californians who've moved to Texas who now regret it.

And it's, man,

it's funny.

It's one thing.

We've talked, we say this all the time.

It's one thing to visit Austin and fall in love with it when you come for South by Southwest or you come for ACL.

Those are programmed at very specific times of the year when the weather's beautiful, but the time between those two events will fucking kill you.

It'll wear you down and grind you.

It'll fuck you up four out of every five years.

Like they'll throw one year in there that's fucking perfectly lovely, but nine times out of ten, it's just a dog shit summer.

And it gets worse every year.

Yeah.

It really does.

Yeah, I mean, we're in, we're already in early September and it's still over 100 degrees.

Normally that stops

right about now.

Yeah, Yeah, well, I think

next week it's supposed to, but the rest of this week is like 106.

Yes, I found it.

Okay.

It was 106 in my backyard yesterday.

I think it's ludicrous.

106 on Friday.

What'd you find?

This is one that Gus sent to me

November 2018.

This is a classic.

I want

this is my favorite one of all time.

I can't believe I have this saved.

I had to dig.

Austin subreddit.

I want to hire a woman to show me her breasts.

Is this legal?

Jeff, that's the title.

It gets better.

This is

the body.

I want to find a woman with large natural breasts and pay her to show them to me.

I've never seen big ones in person.

I'm literally just looking to cross this thing off my bucket list and call it good.

Is this legal in the city of Austin?

I hate the concept of strip clubs, so that's not an option.

There's a whole industry catered to doing the thing you want.

Just

fucking go do that.

i've never seen big ones in person

i wonder if he i wonder if it happened for him we gotta find out i wonder if it worked out oh my god i'm gonna go look up his username yeah look at his other posts

fellas fellas fellas i did it

oh

but yeah it's it's it's just such a it's such a weird post that's one of my favorites yeah But yeah, the weather's brutal here right now, and it's about to change, and then it'll be okay.

But then a lot of those like Californians regret moving to Austin.

It's like San Francisco Chronicle.

It's like, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You don't say.

Well, also, the thing I think I missed, I botched the quote in the car, but the thing that

one of the comments I read in that subway I thought was really funny was all these Californians were lured to Austin for California living on Texas prices.

But what they found out is Austin is California prices and Texas living.

And that like, and by Texas living, we mean zero infrastructure, shitty mass transit,

fucking ERCOT knocking down your door to turn your electricity off five days a week.

Just the huge.

Just the normal stuff.

Water that tastes like dog shit because of zebra mussels twice a year.

Yep.

And the water's warm.

Is your water warm?

Like, I turn on the cold water.

Like, I cannot turn on hot water when I take a shower.

I have to take an entirely cold water shower.

And it's still like, man, I wish this was colder.

Dude.

It is so fucking warm with only cold water.

We rented a boat about three weeks ago now, Eric, two weeks ago.

Yep.

And we went out for a day of just on Lake Travis.

And

first off, the water level was so low, it was depressing.

You're going to find bodies and boats in the world.

It's bad.

Like, because you're walking down to the dock.

The cliff level.

And the dock gets further and further away every year, and you're walking further and further every year.

And then when you're out there, it is like you're just looking at where the water line used to be, and you're like 15 feet below it trying to swim.

And to your point earlier, the water is like uncomfortably warm.

Yeah.

Oh, it was.

And it's a lot of water to be that warm.

What the fuck?

It was almost like bath water.

It's fine when you jump in and you're like, oh, it's not shockingly cold.

And then when you're in it for an hour, you go,

this is almost refreshing.

Dude, my favorite thing to do is dive.

I love to dive off that boat.

I love diving.

I'm a big diving guy.

I refused to put my head under the water that day.

I didn't dive once.

I just like, I just tread water.

I did not want to put my head under the water.

I think somebody died the other week because they had an amoeba.

A fucking architect or somebody, right?

Yeah, I heard about that.

Round Rock.

Yeah, it was like the water's so warm that

I guess it's prone to amoebas living there or, you know, flourishing.

And someone got one up the nose.

This is how Last of Us is going to happen.

Yeah.

Turn into water monsters.

Yeah.

Amoeba at the bottom of Lake Travis.

It's been sealed away for 50,000 years.

It's really crazy when you're at that lake and you kind of find a spot.

Our boat captain was cool.

He was the guy that we'd had before.

He's a good dude.

Yeah.

I don't know what you do as the boat captain other than you just wait.

You wait it out until they're done swimming because there ain't nothing for you to do.

But he took us to a spot and he's like, Hey, do you guys want to hook up with like the party barge?

Or do you want to find your own space?

And it was 15 people going, our own space.

It's our own space.

Thank you for the space.

Thank you.

Thank you.

He's like, How's this?

And we're like, Can we go a little further?

Can we keep going?

Can we go further?

But we're in the middle of everything, and it was

there were some boat like

ramps, ladder steps that went from where they naturally ended down to where their boat launches are from like these homes.

And then there are some that didn't bother to do it.

And it is so far

from the waterline.

In a way where you go, I don't know how

there could have been that much water in this place to raise the water level that high.

And at some point, how will there ever be again?

There will never be again.

It would have to be so much rain just in Lake Travis only for a very long time.

Every garden hose in Austin couldn't fill that pool.

Maybe we should work on that.

Start opening this, open spigots.

Sometimes I'll see a guy on TikTok who just goes to public spigots and he just films a song going, let's just see if it works.

And he turns it on and it and he turns it back off.

Yep.

And that's the whole

thing.

Oh, that's pretty cool.

I mean, it'll get back up.

I think we said the same thing after like the droughts in 2011.

2012.

Eventually, what will happen is like a hurricane will come and hit the Texas coast and then come right up here and then dump like a week's worth of rain.

Well, that's the Burning Man stuff, right?

Like all the water that's going through like Vegas.

And it's like, well, they're just not like the infrastructure, like they built those ducks and everything.

We talked about this, I think, but

that's what it's for to get that water flowing into, you know, Lake Mead and Havasu and all this stuff.

But at the same time, you have Burning Man, which is in in the middle of the desert.

It can't handle any water because, again,

the desert is just the bottom of a lake, but all the water is gone.

So when it rains, it doesn't just get sort of muddy.

The lake starts becoming a lake again and it fucks you up.

It's really bad.

Man,

not to poke fun of that Burning Man thing.

I don't know.

I got no issue with Burning Man.

I think Burning Man is just fine.

But I will say, I saw that interview with Diplo after he got out.

What a dip shit he came across as.

He was just like, yeah, so me and Chris Rock and Cindy Crawford and Austin Butler, like all of our best friends, we were like, fuck it, we're just going to walk our way out.

And we walked for like three hours.

It was really hard.

You know, like, god damn.

I thought that was going to go really bad.

I thought it was going to be like a huge humanitarian disaster going on.

You know what?

It nearly was.

Yeah.

You know what?

Having known

a lot of people that have gone to Burning Man religiously and Gus, you and I knowing somebody who's involved in the running of Burning Man.

Oh, we are.

You probably don't remember.

But somebody that we liked who is involved heavily in Burning Man.

I would say that if that, if any festival were designed to survive a catastrophe like that, it's Burning Man.

I mean, those people are,

from, I've never been, but from what I can tell, they take it very seriously.

They, and they want to make sure that it continues to happen so they clean up after themselves and they police themselves very well, at least from what I see.

Right.

And they are all about radical responsibility, right, and freedom.

And so I think that they acted like adults and took care of it.

I think there is, like with anything, right?

There's a core group who believe that.

But I think as the event becomes more popular, more mainstream, you get a lot more people who aren't.

Like, I think that was one of the big complaints from the, like, the people you're talking about were upset this year because a lot of other people who were there.

just like abandoned their camps and left a bunch of trash behind.

So

now we got to go around and clean all this shit.

And, you know, I appreciate that.

These people who do stay behind and, you know, they do believe in this, like you're talking about, about, radical responsibility, cleaning up and, you know, putting the onus on themselves to clean up where other people are just like fuck-ups and leave all that shit behind.

Yeah.

But I think as it continues to grow, you know, that core group gets outnumbered.

I think nine times out of ten in that situation, you get a Woodstock 99.

And I just think even with his kind of as badly as that went, and you're right, I did see another article where a dude was like, who's going to come help me clean all this up?

Yeah.

Because a lot of people did, I guess, abandon.

But I just, I think that those historically, those, those people have been pretty good about protecting that scene because it is, that's like 70,000 people descending on a place.

That's crazy.

That's a lot of responsibility.

You know, it is.

You just think about like what can go wrong.

I mean, you have to think about like

a pro sports stadium worth of people in the desert, like who all like.

Like the Alabama UT game all in the desert.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's this weekend, isn't it?

Yeah.

Are you going to go to that?

No.

I think it's in Alabama, isn't it?

Is it?

I don't know.

I think you're right.

UT started right this last week with the football and everything.

Uh-huh.

Didn't realize that.

Was trying to drive across town.

Thrilling game, UT versus fucked me up, too.

Like, I, like,

the

football stadium, which is the

ninth largest in the world, ninth largest stadium anywhere in the world.

It's gigantic.

It's right off of 35 in the middle of the middle of everything.

Smacked out in the middle.

I remember coming to like my dad.

We drove out to Austin, and he saw that stadium and just went, whoa.

And it was like, it's big, man.

It's legit and it's for college football and it fills the fuck up and people tailgate all goddamn day.

Doesn't matter what time, day, like what time during the day you try to drive around that area, don't.

Yeah, just avoid it.

Yep.

That's all you can do.

It's a fucking mess.

Emily and I love, because we always invariably get caught on a Saturday in that traffic at some point.

If you're going anywhere east to West in Austin, you're probably going to

catch catch a clip of it somewhere.

And we always love to try to figure out who won the game based on the man, you know, based on the demeanor of the people walking.

It's fun.

If you figure out, based on how early people are leaving the game, what time is everyone in their car?

I think a lot of people left this last game early.

One, because it's a blowout.

They're playing rice.

Two, because it was so fucking hot.

I think there were like people.

Needing to leave because they were just in direct sunlight.

Absolutely.

It's not a dome.

It's a big open stadium.

And once again, it's like 106, 108 degrees, and it gets way hotter and all that concrete and all those other warm bodies, you know?

I've only been to the field.

I've only seen a game, a UT game like two or three times anytime I've lived in Austin.

Yeah.

I've never been.

But then the reason I don't go more often maybe is the same reason for you.

It's like Eric was saying, it's just so

difficult to get there.

There's so many people.

I'm not a big crowds person.

You know that.

Just like that big crush is

unbearable.

I don't go because I don't like UT as a team.

It's fun to go to.

There's no pro sports team in Austin.

That's like the closest you're going to get.

Well, I guess it's the first public place sometimes.

Yeah, MLS.

I'm talking like big stadium.

Yeah.

How much is Q2?

Q2 only holds like 20,000 people.

25,030,000?

Yeah,

22,000?

I think 22,000.

So it's like you can hold five of those in the UT football stadium.

Yeah.

That Q2 stadium is so pretty, too.

And that's another stadium that's built kind of like in the middle.

Well, it's not in like downtown, it's in the middle of like it's in a very packed part of the city with no parking lot.

That's like they were like, let's just build a stadium

and not have any parking for it

in a city with shitty mass transit.

Well, they built it and they went, Well, these UT kids will come and they live on campus.

Well, what about everyone else?

Fuck them, they're not students, yeah.

Pay us, didn't you say yes?

You park it baseball, you park by all gimmicks and then walk.

Isn't that what you said?

When I go to Q2, we park by all gimmicks and go.

There's never park around UT,

there's lots, some lots.

It's so weird that this city is so averse to building a spot for you to park at near the thing you want to go to.

They just don't want to do it.

They refuse, outright.

refuse to let you do that.

It's fucking crazy.

I just wish there was better,

if you're going to do that, which is fine, you can do it to have better public transit to get people in and out of there.

What public transit?

You keep saying better.

What

there's a train stop not too far from there?

From Q2?

Yeah.

That's true.

And I did take it one time.

In your face.

I did take it one time.

And on the way there, a lot of fun.

On the way back, you want the songs to stop.

But you're on the train with all the supporters section.

And brother, they're hyped.

Yeah.

And maybe, and also maybe more more buses just to get people

in and out.

Right.

It's like that's all that we can work with right now.

Do you think there will be

a light rail thing that goes from downtown to the airport?

Vice versa?

Do you think eventually that will have to happen?

I think in so, you know, the city of the voters in Austin approved a bond package to build public transit and light rail a few years ago.

And, you know, they're still in like the design phase and, you know, very early in the construction process.

And I think

as costs have increased, they've had to try to scale the scope of the service down.

And I believe that the airport to downtown portion was cut, if I remember right, and is no longer part of the active

development.

I feel like I've mentioned this before, but I'll say it again.

There is a bike trail that goes from downtown to the airport.

Yeah, just get off the plane,

get on a bicycle, grab your bag.

There's a bike rack at the airport.

It's 108 degrees.

It's right next to all the Uber and Lyft cards.

It's in the blue parking lot.

There is one?

Oh, okay.

Oh, man.

Yuck.

Yeah.

So

I think eventually, yes, there will be, but in our life, I don't know.

It would be great if that existed.

In my life or Gus's life.

My life, probably.

I don't know.

Yeah, your life, yes.

So in like the next two years, I don't think.

Yeah, maybe not.

Also, the state of Texas is trying to pass a law, or they did pass a law, to keep Austin from building its mass transit system.

So we'll see how that goes.

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If you aren't familiar with Texas, living in Texas and Texas politics, you might be surprised to find out that the rest of the state of Texas has, well, I shouldn't say that.

Those in charge of the state of Texas,

maybe it's a better way of saying it, have declared open war on the city of Austin, Texas.

Pretty much.

Because we are the capital, which they hate.

They hate it.

They hate with a passion.

And we are a progressive and fairly liberal city, which flies in the face of,

I guess,

I'm trying not to say, you know what?

It's an issue for them.

I'll say that.

I'm trying to be respectful and not talk a bunch of shit.

Well, the frustrating thing is all the large cities in Texas are liberal, progressive cities.

All large cities are.

Yeah.

So I don't know where they would want to move the capital to.

Nacogdochis like the first time.

Like if it's if it's like who is it that's that's upset that Austin peed in their Cheerios?

Is it the representatives from Houston?

Is it the ones from Dallas?

Is it the ones from San Antonio?

Because I guarantee they don't give a fuck about it.

Is it the fucking representatives for

Nacogdochius?

Maybe it's our dickhead governor who lives in this city.

Yeah,

that's probably what it is.

And our dickhead lieutenant governor who also lives in the city.

And our attorney general.

He's the one who's getting impeached, right?

It's the attorney general.

Cool.

Who's currently being impeached by his own party?

I like that.

His defense was...

You can't, I don't know if you've heard this.

Is it the evidence thing?

No, it was, I did those crimes in my previous term.

Oh, yeah.

So you can't

impeach me for them now in this term.

Right.

Did you see that they submitted evidence for findings, but it was just for like cataloging and identifying?

But the prosecution didn't object to any of it.

So everything that they gave for just like IDing and everything went into evidence.

And so now

everything that the defense

that they put into evidence, they're objecting to their own evidence.

Gotcha.

And it's like, this rules.

This is really, it's the prosecution going.

Not really sure what's happening right now.

This is really different.

And then, and in two weeks, we're all going to be going, I can't believe that motherfucker got off.

I can't believe he got off.

Still in the job.

He got re-elected twice.

Absolutely.

There's something.

It's a whole state full of dads going, ah, get him back in there.

He sued Obama.

He's suing Biden.

He hates the same people I hate.

So it doesn't matter what he did.

At least that's what he says.

So, what do you think about the cheeseburger?

We went to Hilbert's.

We went to Hilbert's today, which is

a beloved local icon that Gus really loves.

Jeff's raising his hand.

Gus, I have my hand raised because I wanted to ask a question.

Would you say Hilbert's is, before today, would you say Hilbert's is your favorite burger in Austin?

Yes.

Because I could get that approach.

Without pause.

Yes.

What would be number two for you?

Number two is Mighty Fine.

I had a feeling.

I knew it.

I knew it.

But we were talking about Mighty Fine not too long ago.

It's up there.

I love Mighty Fine.

It's pretty good, man.

They got some, they mix it up with some shakes and stuff like that.

That Mighty Fine burger is

good.

So Hilbert's,

I think we mentioned it before.

They used to have a couple locations around town.

One of them was over where the P-Terry's is on Lamar now.

That was my favorite.

Yeah, that was my favorite location too.

After that, we were talking about this.

The current location on Cameron that we went to is in an old Taco Bell.

It's very clearly like one of those old Taco Bells from the late 80s into mid-90s.

And after they moved out of the one on Lamar, that's a P-Terry's now, they very briefly moved a little west of there over where Tiny Boxwoods is.

There was another old Taco Bell building over there that they operated out of for a while.

That's gone too.

I think they bulldozed that building over over there.

I can remember that at all.

Yeah, they were there for a year or two.

I remember going over there a few times, and now they're just here on

Cameron.

They just have this one location.

Yes, correct.

And I like this place.

It's very much a

like going in there makes me think of going into like a fast food establishment from the 80s.

Like they, even like the way that the drive-through beeps to alert them that there's a customer out there, like it's a very distinct sound.

They do, you know, they probably have not changed the way they do things in decades, and that's for the better.

I think everything is

the end product and the food is better because of that.

They found what works, and they're like, we're going to just stay the course.

Yeah, I was going to say,

it's like

it's capture a moment in time, which all the best burger places do.

I know you have a complicated relationship with Top Notch, but everything you're describing about Hilbert's is the same reason I love Top Notch.

Like, you walk in, you feel a sense of history, and you feel like you're walking into a dining experience that people don't have anymore and that you remember from your childhood, right?

I used to love, so

they're not like this anymore, but I remember this is not a top-notch episode.

Maybe we'll talk about them eventually.

But I used to love how they did not take credit card.

They just had that fucking ATM in the lobby, and you went up there and like tried to pay with a credit card.

The old lady behind the counter would just point at the ATM behind you to get cash, which is always great.

So

Hilbert's has the ambiance.

It also has...

Something that I love, which is clientele.

Fantastic.

Eric, you love those.

Fantastic clientele.

Heaven.

Yeah.

That shoe scene.

Yeah.

That was older dudes having a fucking good time, talking their shit,

but they run the place so no one says nothing.

Yeah.

That's, that's the spot.

You want to walk in, you want to go to a

hamburger restaurant when

hopefully it becomes you eventually, but where it feels like every person who walks in the door,

the guy behind the counter goes, there he is.

Come on over here, you son of a bitch.

What's it going to be today?

And you're like, what the fuck?

Like, that's when you know you're in a good spot.

Yeah,

when we were paying, there was a screen for like tipping or whatever, and I tipped, and the guy's like, all right, hey, hey, you haven't lost all your money on UT yet.

I went, no, not yet.

I got the whole season for that one, brother.

And he went, oh, I hear that.

Yeah.

This is my guy.

You know, it reminds me of my dad.

And people like my dad.

That's why I think I love it.

They have like little standees on each table, like that tell the story of Hilbert's and whatnot.

And like, if you ever read the standee, if you go there and you read the standee, it tells like how they started the place, they started Hilbert's because they wanted to recreate the experience of going to your friend's house and having his dad cook you a burger like in the backyard and just like having like a great neighborhood backyard cookout burger.

And like that's like kind of what they've always gone for with the burgers there.

And do you want to explain the name Hilbert's?

Oh, yeah, Hilbert's.

So it's called Hilbert's because they named it after their two favorite restaurants in Austin, Hill's Cafe and Burt's BBQ.

That's so good.

They just combined the name.

That's insane.

It's Hillbert's Burgers.

Did they have anything to do with Hill's Cafe or Burt's BBQ?

No.

I think Hill's Cafe is closed.

They're gone for several years now, I believe.

Burt's BBQ, I thought, was gone, but we talked about this the other day.

We found it, right?

Yeah, there is one up by the HEB off of Far West still.

So

you mentioned Hill's Cafe.

We actually discussed Hill's Cafe recently, and Mike Purdle, who listens to this,

let me know.

I got a list of retractions or corrections.

And one of them is that we said Hill's Cafe was on Lamar.

It's on South Congress.

Oh, it's on South Congress.

That's right.

Yeah.

Totally.

Totally brain farted that.

Sorry.

He sends us.

I love it.

Don't stop.

Mike, I know you're listening to this.

Don't stop sending us the messages where you go, here's what you got wrong.

I literally

should have Mike on

the other side.

Mike has lived in Austin longer than either of us.

He remembers a lot of shit.

I don't remember.

Oh, yeah.

He sets us straight.

Yeah, he does.

Yeah, he's great.

I could always be sure to get

a slack from Mike after every episode comes out.

It's the best.

I love it.

I love it so much.

Amy said the nicest stuff about my new podcast to me today.

Oh, that's so cool.

That's called So All Right.

You can download it now.

It was so nice.

We get podcasts.

They don't have anything to do with Hills Cafe.

I've heard that story, but I just assumed that they were like, it was the people from both.

So if I started a place called Curb Notch, everyone would be like, oh, this guy loves Kirby Lane.

Well, obviously, you'd call it Top Lane.

Yeah, I think it's just like you pay homage to other businesses you like and

other things that you like.

I just assumed that it was the people from those restaurants making the hamburger thing.

I wonder if that works with anything.

Could you open a McDonald's Starbucks?

McBucks?

Yeah,

Star Donald's?

Star Donald's.

No one wants to go there, though.

That would be terrible.

That sounds fucking awful.

Star Donald's.

Oh, man.

But yeah, the burgers are great.

They do this thing where they don't cut the jalapenos into slices like you normally get, if you get jalapenos on your burger, they don't cut them into slices.

They cut them like lengthwise down the pepper.

So you get like these long jalapenos strips in your burger, which are so fucking so fucking good that way.

Pickled jalapenos.

Yes.

You know what else they do that I really appreciate?

And I don't know how to replicate it.

I can never get it right at home.

They have perfect, perfect mustard distribution on their hamburger.

Interesting.

Yeah, you get the right amount of mustard in every single bite.

I really don't know how they do it.

It's really,

it's to be admired.

The other thing,

there's so many things that they do, right?

They also give you, if you get onions on your burger, I do.

Like a whole white onion roll.

It's not like a diced onion where you're getting all these little things.

Like, no, you have a fucking giant white onion in your burger, and it's inescapable.

It's so good.

Were you pointing out the...

broiler that they have yeah they've got like an old

conveyor belt broiler they just like slap the meat onto it and it just like runs through the broiler's broiled to me no i no it kind of tastes backyard barbecue a little bit but like not a ton it's really good the thing that i pointed out is that they don't melt the cheese on it they just slap the cheese on when it's done and you're probably listening to this going like oh that doesn't sound good no i don't know what it is about that at this specific place i fucking love it it's not like it's cold it melts a little bit because the heat of the burger but it's not like it's super gooey and melty you know how you can lose the cheese a bit when it melts too much Yeah, it's definitely, definitely, they find like a happy meal.

It's present.

Yeah.

Also, you guys didn't get a bacon burger.

I did.

You guys got jalapenos?

Fucking 10 out of 10 bacon.

I've never had a

10 out of 10 bacon there.

The jalapeno burger is like the only thing that I get there.

It's so good.

I usually get a jalapeno bacon burger, but I just didn't feel like jalapenos today.

Mix it up.

I got onion rings today instead of the fries.

I will say the fries are okay.

Yeah.

The fries are just okay.

I think the fries.

The fries, I have a complicated relationship with the fries.

I think the fries are excellent.

The problem I have with the fries is that they're so crisp and non-absorbent that if you, that they're, they need salt.

But if you put salt on them, the salt just immediately falls off.

It doesn't adhere to it.

It doesn't stick to it.

But the texture and the cook on the fry is perfect.

I just wish I could find a way to adhere my salt to it.

And that's, and you've articulated that very well,

what I didn't understand that I was experiencing, but they felt bland to me.

But you're right.

They look good.

And they're golden and they're perfect.

But yeah, there's just not a lot of flavor there.

But I think you're right.

I think it's just the

salt repellent.

Conversely, they give you 1 million onion rings.

They give you way too many onion rings.

How are their onion rings?

Fucking great.

They're so good.

I really enjoyed them.

Crispy all the way.

The onion was sweet.

I loved it.

I thought they were so, so, so good.

Yeah, that plays awesome.

That's definitely on my list of places to recommend to people.

And it's definitely NFT because it's out of the way.

Oh, you're not yelling.

It's like you're not doing anything else around there.

We're back at our studio recording.

Usually we're out and about when we do like these recordings, there's nowhere to record there.

No.

Like there's not anything near it.

There's not anything that's like close enough.

It's all parking lots.

We would have had to come over, like if the office wasn't here, we would have to go over to what, Bartholomew Park or whatever, and that would be the closest spot.

Yeah, it's all parking lots and sketchy dudes walking around, shuffling through parking lots.

Yep.

One time I was there at Hilbert's, I was getting food through the drive-thru, and I was parked at the window.

I had already paid, I was waiting for my food, and the dude who was working today, who took our order, I saw him come out the door there on the side.

He had like a bag of food in his hand, like a burger and fries, I presume.

And he starts walking out towards Cameron.

And there's like a homeless dude standing there next to Cameron, just kind of like looking around at the street.

And the guy from the restaurant with the bag of food in his hand walks up to him.

I can't hear what they're saying because I'm in my car, and like sticks his hand out with the bag of food to give it to the homeless guy.

The homeless guy turns around, looks at him, and just like slaps the food out of his hand and starts screaming at him and then walks away.

And then, like, the employee from Hillberg's just kind of like,

it's kind of like, you can see, like, he does, you can see his shoulders like kind of sag.

Yeah.

You can tell he sighed, just like bends down, starts picking up all the food and the trash off the ground, putting it back into the bag, and walking back to the restaurant.

And like, we lock eyes.

He looks at me and just kind of like, he puts his palms up, like, shrugs your shoulders, like, what can you do?

Like, puts all, puts it all in the trash, and just like walks back in, gets back to work.

ridiculous yeah yep uh but yes you talked about like how there's just it's lively yeah it's a it's a lively part of town well i will say it's it's lively but it attracts people that are like

the guys who came in after us and the rapport that they had with the dude that worked there he came out and sat with them that guy was like i'm done right now i'm on my lunch and then sat with his buddies and they just talk shit for an hour it is what i would imagine would be the best outcome if you never left your small town Dude, yeah, it's man, wow, that's exactly what that is.

Yeah.

Yeah, big time.

Like you have a job that's whatever, you have it under control.

Yeah.

And you probably don't hate it.

And you get to, you have enough flexibility to take a break and hang out with your friends.

And your friends are there because you've all known each other your whole lives.

And it just, it seems like it's a life that I, as a kid who moved around a lot, you know, because I went to like

14 public schools.

Oh my God.

In my 12 years,

I went to three schools in one year twice.

Wow.

Because I'm moving around so much.

Three Three years.

Three schools in one year.

Twice.

Oh, my fucking God.

Yeah, I went to three fourth grades and three fifth grades.

Three third grades and three fifth grades or something.

I just kept stabbing teachers.

They won't listen.

No, no, no, no.

Wow, that's crazy.

That had nothing to do with me.

I was a lovely child.

They made them stab me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were asking for it.

But that was what I always dreamed of because I knew I'd never have it.

You know, like, I was always having to, and I don't regret it now because I think it helped me socially quite a bit because I had to make new friends everywhere I went and I had to get really good at entertaining myself, which I've turned into a career.

But I was the thing I always lamented.

I was always, I'd always see kids that had known each other since kindergarten.

And I just felt like there was a connection I would never feel or have with other kids like that because I would never be anywhere long enough to

build that up.

And that was always like, so.

Watching those dudes and knowing that they've known each other for half a lifetime.

And

something inside of me gets gets so envious, even though I've known Gus more than half of my life now, and I have that.

It's just, it's still just like, it connects to some childhood thing, you know?

What's funny to me to think about it?

You're like, childhood, like you're talking about that age,

of like being young, that childhood friendship, 99% of that is proximity.

100%.

It's like, who lived close to you?

Yeah.

Who sat next to you in school?

Like, those were your friends just through random happenstance, wherever you happen to live or wherever you happen to sit in class.

Like then

you're still friends with these people decades later and he's like why like

i don't have anything in common with this person other than we sat next to each other in second grade

yeah well that's the thing right is those you realize because i ended up spending most of high school at the same school and so i ended up developing some really good friends throughout high school uh most of whom i haven't talked to since high school you know you move on join the army you come back visit each other three or four times they're off of college it's hard to sync up you lose track and the next thing you know it's been 10 years and you don't even know how to contact them Right.

That's the way it works if you leave.

But if you don't leave, then proximity binds those friendships forever, I guess.

Do you remember, this is kind of a weird tangent, but back in the late 90s, early 2000s,

before Facebook, what a cottage industry it was to try to find, like to try to show people how to-classmates.com.

Right.

How to find their old

high school friends.

Like there were like so many banner ads on the internet for like that classmates.com.

Like, look up your high school graduating class, any high school any year uh click here and now you know with social media being as prevalent as it is like that whole industry i'm sure is dead it was it was an industry that cropped up very briefly because i remember there was thing like you could like like find high school photos and like high school yearbooks and stuff and yeah and then like

yeah probably that was a rise and fall of about it's like pogs right about a year maybe five years and then it's just gone yeah yeah that's uh That's so strange to me.

That very rapid rise and fall.

Now, now with Google and just fucking, you find anyone.

I wonder what else is like that.

I mean, I'm sure that like zip drives are one, right?

You know, like zip drives became very popular for a very brief period of time in our lives, maybe

six, seven years.

Zip drives were a thing.

And then

they got destroyed by C DRs.

Yeah.

And then now those are destroyed by data.

And those are destroyed by digital media.

Yeah.

Or USB.

Yeah.

Or even, yeah, like you said, like cloud-based stuff.

Like, oh, then we'll just upload this five gig file from home, and then it'll be there when I need to download it at work or whatever.

Yeah,

uh, but yeah, zip drives, man, that was a that was a fucking racket.

100 megabyte

zip drive.

You had one, yeah, I was so envious.

We used to use it for like drunk gamers stuff, yeah, where we store files and crazy.

And what was the bigger one?

Was it a jazz drive?

Jazz drive.

I never had one.

Was the one that was even bigger?

Fucking rich people.

We're about 45 minutes.

This one fucking flew.

But we should review Hilbert's.

What do you think?

Is it a spot where people should come eat?

What's your hamburger rating here?

I'm going to give it

hamburger 10 out of 10.

i'm gonna give ambiance 9 out of 10 because this is my one knock oh you had a knock that's right i want to know about

the the music was wildly inappropriate for the experience the my the music lady gaga the entire time we were in there just didn't fit with the what are you talking about it was lady gaga right before that it was walk like an egyptian by the bangles because we talked about susanna hoffs and then as we were leaving they're playing a hairy styles song exactly i don't know what that was honestly the radio was on yeah They didn't pick the music.

Yeah, turned on,

they could be on a classic rock.

They should have been on it.

It should have been a classic rock.

It should have been Country Station.

Or a Country Station.

That would have been it.

That would have been the vibe.

That would have been it.

Or even like old, like Al Green or something.

Something representative of the period when it was in its heyday.

I do like that

when all the burgers came out, they had our names written on it.

Mine was the only name that was spelled correctly.

You were so happy.

They spelled your name with a J?

Of course.

They spelled my name E-R-I-C-K.

And it was like, that's the Eric that you took a stab at?

Because that guy knows one Eric.

He does, absolutely, with a CK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Eric from his third grade class.

They're still friends.

It's one of the other guys who came in after us.

Yeah, yeah.

You sat next to Eric.

Yeah, that was him.

For me, 10 out of 10.

I love that place.

I think it's

off the charts.

It's so good.

I recommend that place anytime.

Absolutely.

Anyone comes to town?

It is a burger that I don't want.

people to be fooled into thinking that it is a sit-down place where you get like, whoa, this burger's like stacked and this thing is like, it's this, it's expensive and it's like this elevated dining thing.

This is a burger joint in the truest form that your hometown has burger joints.

This is that.

I want to be very clear.

I hate the concept you just said.

I hate that elevated burger.

Totally.

I hate overcomplicated burgers, like with drippy sauces and all this weird shit on it.

No.

Like the way Hilbert's make it, that's why I want a burger.

Like meat, cheese, lettuce, onion, jalapeno.

The place that I would liken it to from my hometown would be a place in El Cajon called Beef and Bun, where you drive through, they have milkshakes and they have hamburgers, and it takes too long to go through the drive-thru because everyone's stoned.

But you eat there and you go.

Pretty fucking good burgers, man.

This is definitely a nine out of 10 for me where

we were leaving and I said, I think this has to get in like the regular rotation.

I love that it's so close to to our studio.

It's so close.

We don't go enough.

I've been there with like you, and I think Patrick Salazar.

It's another hamburger fiend.

The problem is with the city of Austin, is if you were to give

even coverage to every hamburger restaurant that deserves it, you'd be dead in three years.

Yeah.

You know?

Austin's a big burger town.

It is quietly a huge burger town.

They don't get the credit.

It doesn't get the credit for it, you know?

But god damn, dude.

We've never had a bad burger on that.

That's bottom.

That's why that was our pivot that's right to add burgers in addition to coffee just because there's so many uh great burger places around here

uh oh and uh before you get to that i see you you pulling your phone out uh the the the listener who got the detroit tigers

levi yeah i i shipped it out and they received it already i saw they posted on the face and the anma uh subreddits uh congratulations on your on your uh winnings please don't eat that gum I like that in the ANMA podcast subreddit, everyone was very split.

Like, eat the gum, don't eat it.

Don't eat it.

Eat the the gum, don't eat.

What is it going to do for you?

You're just going to get sick.

It's going to be a bad thing.

That's somebody who's eating the gum every time.

Don't eat the gum.

It sucks.

It's so bad.

It's not going to be anything that you think it's going to be.

And you'll go, why would I do that?

I thought I was prepared for it.

Yeah, yeah.

I wasn't.

No.

It'll make you like gum a little bit less.

A little bit less.

Just a little bit.

Not enough, but a little bit.

Yeah.

Let's get into an anarchy question.

You can tweet at us at Anima Podcast if you want to send an anarchy question, or there's always a weekly thread on r slash Anma Podcast, the subreddit that we do not run, but is run very well by fans.

Thank you very much.

So you can leave

a question there.

This is from Alex M.

It's a little bit sad, but I do want to, I'm curious.

This may be too sad for the podcast.

I lost my dog Eli suddenly this week.

Listening to Anne Moon walking around Onion Creek Park Trails was part of our routine on most Mondays.

I know you guys are dog owners.

How have you coped with loss?

But the question that I really want to drive at is, are there any places around Austin that help cheer you up?

That really feels like the bigger part of the question to me, where it's like, is there a place that you go to that you're like

getting out of a funk?

You drive to this spot, you go, you bike somewhere, something like that.

Is there a place in Austin that cheers you up?

Hilberts.

You can't be sad about your universe.

Although,

I'm going to do a quick segue and

a sidebar off of this question.

One time I was eating at the Mighty Fine up at Arbor Walk.

I was there with my wife, and we were both sitting down eating.

And she was like,

she kind of like whispers to me, have you noticed the guy like to your left and across down?

Because they have like these long tables.

It's like communal scene.

Have you noticed that guy across and then like to the left, to your left?

And I looked, and it was a guy who with like a burger in his hands who was eating it, who was sobbing uncontrollably as he was eating the burger.

I was like, I did not notice that.

I was like, I have no idea what was going on in that guy's life, but I think he was trying what I, nope, he was trying to cheer himself himself up with a burger.

I think he had just started.

I hope that.

I hope that

it helped him.

Oh, my God.

Well, first off, I'm terribly sorry for your loss.

I know Gus lost a dog that was very dear to you

not too long ago, and I lost my dog of 11 years, and then 10 months later lost Emily's dog of 11 years.

Who was maybe the best friend I've ever had in my entire life.

That dog.

Sorry.

He gets it.

I can't compete.

He's got more legs.

And so

I share your pain.

And no, there's no trick that gets over it.

You just like, it's one of those things that just gets a little bit better every day.

You just have to, as my fiancé

loves to say, the only way out is through.

And so you just have to feel it for a little while.

And

then at some point, you know, you remember happy moments a little bit more than you remember sad moments.

Although I got to say, just yesterday, and Henry's been dead for,

I guess, about a year now,

almost a year.

uh

emily moved something in the spare bedroom and it sounded like henry somebody threw henry's ball and it was bouncing off

and i hadn't heard that in a while and it just like hit me and for three seconds henry was alive and i was like oh fuck so you probably got a bunch of those ahead of you to deal with i i apologize um for me it's there's i mean all of austin makes me feel good it's my feel-good place

that's why i live here But I would say there's a there's a bench I love to cry at over at Down Lake in Zilker Park.

I go to my crying bench.

We talk about it in a f ⁇ face sometimes.

And it makes me feel, it's just real pretty over there and everybody's happy.

And so I just watch people and it helps me feel better.

I think a feel better place for me is, as always, Mayfield Park.

We've talked about that.

Mayfield.

It's like kind of a small, quiet park, not a ton of people.

And there's peacocks there you can look at with a pushing wheel.

It's so entertaining.

Yeah.

That's great.

That was really good.

There you go.

Well,

we hope that helped you a little bit.

This is a a great episode.

We're off for two weeks, technically.

So Gus is off for two weeks.

Me and Jeff have for one week.

Yeah.

We've already recorded one,

and that'll be a continuation from our last

recording that we did eight or nine weeks ago at RTS.

We recorded one and then we were feeling it, so it ended and we went, well, fuck, you want to do one more?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This should come out during our next break.

It's really good.

So we'll have to record one more.

So it'll be a two-week break.

And then we'll be back with a coffee review.

Yeah, yeah, more coffee.

Hopefully, more guests.

I would love to get some more guests to the business.

Get the purdle on.

Yeah, big time.

I'm actually kind of glad we ended it on a burger episode.

Yeah.

Gus, Eric, and I were talking about this the other day.

I feel bad for any coffee shop that had to follow up the run we've been on lately.

Yeah.

It has been four and a half years.

It's been too much.

It's been too good.

Even this burger was like a 10 out of 10 burger for me.

It's like, we've been on too positive a note.

We got to drink something shitty.

Yeah, we got to like really undercut some of this shit because if

we went to another place that was supposed to be good and it was a 7 out of 10, it would have been a real bummer to end this little run on.

Well, also, any place that was like a legit seven out of 10 after the run we've been on, we've probably got fours.

Yeah, right.

We would have gotten an unfair review.

Yeah, yeah.

We cannot follow up Desnudo with anything.

No, so having, getting a burger and then taking a little break feels pretty good.

There you go.

So that'll be nice.

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You can also go to the subreddit r slash anima podcast.

Once again, we do not run and as fan run, uh, but you can submit your questions there if you like.

Uh, maybe we'll read them on the show.

Uh, thank you so much for listening.

Uh, Gus, Jeff, any final thoughts, parting words for the folks that won't hear from you for a couple of weeks?

Go hit up Star Donald's.

Star what you guys want to go to Star Donald's.

Do you know I want to go to Star Donald's?

Uh, Gus, I'll see you in three weeks.

Eric, I'll see you in one week.

All right, sounds good.

Bye.

Bye.