RTX Supplemental with Geoff & Eric Part 2

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It's been eight weeks.

Jeff, in eight weeks, how do you feel like you've grown?

Are you still mad at yourself for how much you're fucking up on Facebook?

Where are you in your cresting?

I've already come out.

I'm going to guess.

I've already come out of my miserable stupid.

You have.

I agree, but are you back in?

I'm past the up.

Okay.

Now I'm coming down again.

But I'm not going down down.

I'm going to level.

I'm going to hit my plateau, and I'll be in that plateau for a few months before I then have another roller coaster.

Well, we're eight weeks in the future.

RTX is well behind us.

I think I need to be medicated in some way, but I kind of don't want to.

Are you not?

No.

I've never smiled when you said that too.

I've never taken a pill outside of like Tylenol in my life.

Like an altering.

I've never.

Really?

When I was a kid,

I had to go to the doctor a lot because I would hurt myself a lot.

But also, I was always getting in trouble for acting up and being like rambunctious and stuff.

And every doctor would tell my mom, he's got ADD

or ADHD and you really need to medicate him.

And my mom would go, I don't believe that.

I don't know what that is.

I don't believe in that.

He's fine.

He just needs to run more.

And so I would.

What the fuck?

Yeah, so I...

So did you run more?

Yeah, they would make me.

So in the third grade,

second, third, fourth grade,

I would finish my work early.

Yeah.

And then I would bug other people.

And that was where the problem started.

That makes sense, yeah.

That's where the problem started.

So what they would do is when I would finish my work, I was allowed by all the teachers to go out and run the track.

And so I would run the track until I wore myself out and then I'd come back into class.

You'd be running around dog style?

Yeah.

You would just be like, let them off the leash, let them go.

Yeah, I was just like, why would you be running?

Burn off some calories and burn off some energy and then come back in and I'd be okay.

Wow.

That was my ADHD medicine.

You don't have that anymore?

Now,

it's how my wife explains.

She's like, I tell her, like, I definitely have ADHD.

Like, there's no way I don't.

It just isn't like what you would think of it classically, I think, where it's like, it's a joke on friends, whatever.

It's not like that.

It's that I have a podcast going while I play a video game and watch a video on a laptop and it's taking it in all at once.

Because if I'm not slammed with media,

what am I doing?

Oh, I'm only taking in one thing at a time.

Grow up.

I have that classic ADD problem where I'll start a project and I'll get like 30% through it.

And then I'll get distracted and I'll go, oh, I got to go clean that.

And then I'll work on that for a while.

And then I'll go work on another project.

Yeah.

And then I can't remember where the first project even was or why I was doing it.

And I have to throw it away.

Yeah.

My wife's like, I know that when you're starting a project, like you're doing some thing around the house or whatever.

She's like, I know that you're going to do it yourself, but I know there's going to be one point where you need me to hold or level or move something.

So I'll have to be involved at some point.

And I go, Yeah.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Whoops.

But also, I think that most of that is just being a person.

I agree.

Yeah.

I do think most people are medicated, though, that I talk to at least, it seems like.

Yeah.

And I think that's probably good.

You got to level out somehow.

I mean, that's what it's for.

Otherwise, you start a podcast and you go right back to back with these things.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Yeah, that was a mistake.

Talk like that.

That's right.

This is eight weeks ago.

We've been going for...

We did Anma.

That was an hour.

We did Break Show.

That was an hour.

We did Anma Supplemental One.

That's half an hour.

Gonna do another half an hour right now.

And then I have, we have Face Jam later.

Oh, my God.

At six.

Do you know that

thing where there are people that just don't want the party to end?

Yeah.

And you're like, we'll just keep drinking after everybody's done.

Well, that was me.

Well, that's why I was an alcoholic.

But I think it had less to do with alcohol.

Because I just don't want the, like, I just can't, I don't even want to do this episode we're doing.

I just didn't want to stop.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, just even.

I don't want to stop doing the thing we're doing.

Yeah, no, I totally understand.

How do you think now that we're done with RTX, we're all wrapped in rolling?

Can Can you believe how well it all went?

That's what I was going to ask.

How do you think it all went?

Best ever is what I heard.

I had a great time.

A lot of people are saying.

This is a fun ass.

I've had a fucking great RTX.

Everybody was super funny.

Yeah.

I heard that I even wasn't that bad on the Amma panel.

Maybe.

But probably I was.

He just came down another tick.

Yep.

Don't worry again.

This is eight weeks in the past where he's down on himself, but he's the funniest guy in the world right now.

So he's high five in himself.

Oh, yeah.

I'm high five in air walking around.

Remember that joke from eight weeks ago?

How do you think this last season of Amba went?

I think it went well.

I think that we did more hamburgers.

I was going to ask if you think we did more hamburgers.

I have that impression, too.

I think we did more hamburgers because it is summertime, and that is, to me, classically more of a hamburger time.

Where do you think you went?

Huh, that's a good question.

I think we probably did Hilbert's.

We've done two now, right?

We've done casino and we did casino and we did Poole.

Pilberger.

Okay.

I think we will have done done Hilbert's because Gus loves it.

Gus has to do Hilbert's.

He does.

Yeah, it's his favorite burger sport.

Do you think that he will allow us to do top-notch?

Here's the problem.

I don't think we've talked about this on air.

Maybe we have.

I don't think so.

Gus hates top-notch.

He does.

For a personal reason.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with top notch.

It has nothing to do with the food.

Or the food.

He will admit that the food is fine.

It's so fucking good.

Uh-huh.

I've gotten such a top-notch kick this last few months that

it is now, I can't believe I ever thought another burger in town was bad.

I'm so keyed in.

Top nine dialed fucking into top nine.

One of the best.

One of the best in Austin.

I haven't been in ages.

No, exactly.

But you'll go back and you'll go, oh, I love that.

Nick, I guarantee you, you'll sit down and you'll go, I'm coming back tomorrow.

Yeah.

Hell yeah.

Throw the wife and the kid in the car.

Go have a time in the car and eat a hamburger and chill.

It's great.

Listen to the radio and it's awesome.

First Saturday night of every month is Classic Car Night.

Yep.

I'll probably be there.

Yep.

It's awesome.

Third Saturday night of every month is VW night.

Whoa.

Also cool.

That kid loves cars.

There you go.

It's a really cool spot.

And it's a,

it's cool to go there and see that it's still around in the way that it is.

Yeah, it feels very American graffiti in all the right ways.

Yeah, it's very like for me, it's dazed and confused and you go, this is it, man.

I fucking love it.

And it's the only place that I've been to really where I ordered so efficiently and the guy complimented me on my efficient order.

Oh, that was where you did it?

Yeah.

I I went and I ordered.

I've heard all of that.

I just went

jalapeno burger combo, large root beer.

And he went, okay, and then they brought it out.

And he just went, I just wanted to say that was the most efficient order.

Great job.

And I would, that was the highlight of my life.

That's awesome.

To get complimented on your ordering.

That does not happen.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

It's great.

Lots of uhs and ums usually.

Why are you uh and um?

Let me look at, unless you're going to start it with, yeah,

talking about jalapeno burger,

large fry.

I always have to do the, oh, can you hold on a second?

Because my wife and I need to decide stuff.

And then it's like, well, now I'm that asshole.

Why are you, what?

You're in a drive-thru.

I know why.

I've been listening to old Howard Stern episodes where he bitches about his dad.

Oh, yeah.

Like in an homage to his dad dying.

He just got all these great stories about how his dad was like such a fucking Nazi about ordering.

And about how he'd like yell at his mom if she wasn't sure what to want.

He'd be like, you've got the roke of dressing.

And then just go through.

the best.

I'm so glad I never had to deal with anything like that in my life.

No, I didn't suffer through anything like that.

You guys are going back again.

We're eight weeks in the future.

You and Emily have been listening to old Stern stuff.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

A lot of old Stern.

Every night.

And how's that been?

It's been great, man.

The biggest problem I've encountered is that I'm just running out of shit to watch on YouTube.

Yep.

Like the archives are woefully incomplete.

Yeah.

And so I'm kind of the

like just sometimes the search gets pretty difficult to find something we haven't heard about.

I can send you some links that have some stuff.

Okay.

But it's everything.

It's everything.

Everything.

I mean it's you will have to search through what you want because if you want to hear July 3rd 1994 where it is just the whole show with everything, I mean it's there.

It's everything, everything.

It's interesting because

you know, I grew up with Howard and I listened to him.

Well, I grew up with him, the Channel 9 show when I was a little kid, and then I discovered the radio show later.

But I listened to him like five days a week for, I don't know, 15 years or something until I kind of fell off.

And then I have come back in to the new Howard, which is, I enjoy and is interesting and is fine.

But I'm not going to be one of those

naysayers.

But it's a very different show.

But then to go back and listen to that stuff that I remember from the late 90s and early 2000s and

just to realize that everything I have done in my career has been a ripoff of that man.

Yeah.

And And the things that he's done.

I really appreciate that you've come to terms with that because it feels like that face has become like, you're like, oh, I can do that.

I can do this thing that I love in a way that I love doing.

And I'm so grateful that you found it because it's so fucking fun.

Oh, thank you.

And it really is like such a blast to do face because to me, it is all the stuff that I love about Stern, where it is fighting about nothing, but we're not so young that we're vicious about it.

Yes.

That was the issue with Howard in the 90s.

Yes.

Is that

it's fun,

but fuck

so cruel.

Cruel in a way where it's like, I don't know if I could come into work if it was like that together all the time.

I don't understand how

more...

like honestly, like more bad shit didn't happen.

Yep.

More fights, like more damage didn't happen because they were brutal.

Brutal.

Really brutal.

relentless.

And it may just be that that was the way the world worked, and we live in a softer world now.

So when we go back and look at the lens of the past, it's crazy.

Oh, dude, how are you doing, man?

So good to see you.

Did you drop your phone?

Yeah, it sounded so much.

Come on.

Hold on.

Did it explode?

I didn't want to interrupt.

No, no problem.

I've never seen that before.

I'm floating around.

You look good.

You got so skinny, man.

Hey, we'll catch up soon.

All right.

Sounds good.

Take care.

That was eight weeks ago.

Yeah, don't forget, that was eight weeks ago.

That was eight weeks.

I wonder if we caught up.

Hey, did you explode your phone?

I haven't done

nah

that was half-hearted yep uh i haven't seen him in so so for the audio it's james from couchop yeah i haven't seen him in so so so so so so long he looks great one of my favorite people out to work with yep just one of the just like

you meet people that are funny and you meet people that are good at being funny on camera or on stage and then there are people that are just

naturally funny and just in a conversation just conversationally yeah will keep will have you laughing more than he's one of those people where he just like, he just exudes comedy.

Really like him.

So where do you think you're at with Stern right now?

Are you still listening?

No, I'm probably off for a little while.

Yeah.

I would think that's a good thing.

I can feel a hit in the end of it.

But Emily was thrilled to play me a soundboard of stuff.

That was cool.

God, I was having to explain to her what some of the soundboard shit was, and that was really funny.

Oh, she's the best.

A lot of the gurkles and stuff where you're like, oh, the Limblesham.

What's going on in this clip?

Yeah,

don't worry about it.

She was playing me Ronnie, the limo driver, stuff, though, and that's the best.

Yeah, dude.

He's so fucking great.

She's really turned some kind of corner on Ronnie because she came into Stern when, like now, when Ronnie, it's just kind of the Ronnie show and he's kind of become insufferable.

She didn't hear.

So she's now learning all the old Ronnie bits and the funny Ronnie.

I think she's appreciating him on a different level.

Ronnie and the limo saga of the limo that Howard doesn't want and everything

is maybe, and then making like Robin get into

this limo and like all the oh it's maybe the funniest that show ever was because it was Ronnie not giving a fucking inch yeah he just dug the fuck in the best and he's one of the only people that will do that to Howard too you know which you really got to appreciate I like how Sal would dig in with everyone else and then just get beat up by Howard It is the best.

It's also kind of funny, I think, to go back and listen to all this stuff with her because she'll be like, oh, okay, well,

that's why you say that.

Got it.

And that's why you say that.

All your phrases are from.

And she's just like, oh,

you're just a bad Xerox, Xerox copy of everything that they said 10 years ago.

All of it.

Yeah.

All of it.

That's fine.

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then I have been the most flattering person to Howard Stern

of all time.

But it's great.

But like, no one else was doing that kind of of thing, and then everyone ripped it off.

And

that's another thing going back and listen to it.

Here we are talking about Howard Starn on Ammo for too long, but you go back and watch some of those, just a Wednesday episode from 2003.

Yeah.

You will never see or hear another chemistry like those people riffing off of each other.

They could turn.

We, I'm proud that we can sit down for an episode of

Face

and we can turn a throwaway comment about Nick's name

or whatever into like seven or eight minutes.

Sometimes we can go 20 minutes.

Yeah.

And that feels awesome.

They'll go for two and a half hours.

Yeah.

And it's funnier in hour two than it was in hour one.

And you're wondering how the fuck they keep it going.

They're just so good.

And it's that lightning in a bottle thing, right?

Like, that's what you're always hoping for.

Yeah.

Is lightning in a bottle.

And sometimes you catch it, sometimes you don't.

And I think there are episodes where we talk about what's the sneakiest animal and fish is brought up and that becomes half an hour of content and then there's other episodes where we go what's the end of this one i like snoopy like i

and that's a real that's a real i mean you know you're in for it when i'll never forget that episode i think where you go do they wear hoodies in canada and i just thought this is gonna be a rough one yeah

i think that was that was on second episode

yeah that's what has a reflecting back to back yeah it's so fucking funny um we keep waving to people we're seeing all the people that we say hi to.

A lot of people here at RTX.

We're just, again, behind Jackie Chan.

Again, if you didn't listen to the first one eight weeks ago to set the stage, this is the middle of RTX day two.

We are behind the tuxedo from Jackie Chan, the tuxedo.

The tuxedo.

From the tuxedo.

From the tuxedo.

From the tuxedo.

Which is a very f ⁇ face thing.

Yeah.

So you should listen to that podcast if you're listening to Anma.

If you listen to Anma, you don't listen to f ⁇ Face.

Very weird.

I do think that's weird.

Very weird.

Yeah.

That makes no sense to me.

Also, if you listen to Anma, tell a friend to listen to it because we don't do anything to promote it.

It's mostly, for me, it's a show where I can get a free cup of coffee every week and hang out with two friends.

I don't think, and I'm being honest here, I don't think Anma makes enough money to pay for the coffee that we drink because we don't sell shit for it, really.

I mean, I guess we're going to have the coffee mug.

We don't push it.

We always have ads.

We have ads.

We have the ads, but those help keep the lights on, pay the fucking electricity bill and shit.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, we'll have the mugs soon, we have the shirts, we'll just have to, you know, figure it out.

Um, figure out what we're doing with Anmo when you live somewhere else.

Well, now I'm not gonna move, even if I'm it would only be partial, and it's so hypothetical.

I get it, it's so up in the air.

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One time, uh-huh.

One time, let me tell you a story.

Okay.

Here's an old story.

One time, Anima.

Way back before Rooster Teeth, but after like drunk gamers, that era.

Yeah.

I was,

you know, I moved to Austin from New Jersey

where I got out of the Army in New Jersey, in Eatontown, New Jersey.

And

I was, I was doing a lot of different stuff.

I was working for ViewScue.

I was PA for ViewScu.

Right.

I was touring with this punk band.

And

we moved here, and I really enjoyed it, and I had fun, and I was starting to make stuff with Gus.

I think we'd done ugly internet at this point.

But

the band, my friends, Catch 22, they came back into town for a tour, and I hopped on the van with them.

I took a couple days off, and I just toured around Texas with them.

and I had so much fun and I missed them so much and they missed me and we they were like what if you join the band and I was like I don't play any instruments what and they were like what if you come back to New Jersey and and and Pat will Pat like Pat Calpin was the lead guitarist at the time

they go what if Pat teaches you how to play guitar and you can play like backup guitar and Pat was like I can teach you to play guitar well enough to be in the band in like six months to a year and I was like are you serious what the fuck and they were like yeah man

they were like we would I mean you could be our tour manager or whatever but Kevin already does that.

It would just be better if we just, let's just do this.

Uh-huh.

Let's just fucking do it.

And so I came back.

I was still married to my first wife, and I told her, and then I went and I put in my two weeks' notice at Tele Network.

Are you serious?

At a tech company, I told Bernie I was quitting and I was moving back to New Jersey and I was going to learn how to play guitar and be in that band.

I've never heard this.

I don't think I've ever told the story before.

I don't know that I've ever told this story before.

Wow.

Told Gus I was moving, told everybody I was leaving.

I gave him a month's notice, not two weeks' notice, because I I needed time to wrap everything up and get out of my lease and stuff.

And then, like, about a week after I made the decision, I realized I was making a mistake.

Really?

Yeah, I was like, I don't really have any passion to play guitar.

I don't know that I'll be good at it.

I'm tone deaf.

I don't know that, like.

You just want to hang out with your friends.

Yeah, I really just want to hang out with my friends.

And I was like, I just left New Jersey.

It wasn't working for me.

I came to Texas.

I don't want to, things are getting a little hard here.

I was having like some trouble with my bears.

And I thought, like, this will be me running away from problems.

I don't want to do that.

I already kind of left New Jersey because of a bad situation to come to Texas.

I just need to stick it out here and figure out and make whatever this is.

And I was like, those guys will always be there, I guess.

And I was like, so I pulled my two weeks' notice at the tech company.

Are they fine with that?

They were fine with it.

And then

that was it.

And then I was all in on Austin.

Wow.

I don't think I've ever told that story.

I've never heard that.

I don't think I've ever told that story.

I don't even know.

Yeah, Gus and Brunny might be the only two people that I know that know that story.

Holy shit.

There's another world where you were just in this other band and then you didn't do this thing.

There's another world where I was in that band and I probably wasn't good enough and I didn't like it, so I became a tour manager

and a band manager and I just managed major indie alternative like punk and

like hardcore bands.

Yeah.

That's fucking crazy.

That would have probably been my life.

Yeah.

In New Jersey.

Yeah, or I probably would have moved at some point, but New Jersey wasn't great.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

I mean, it was okay, but it wasn't great.

I didn't love living there.

That's wild.

Yeah.

Wow, man.

That's a,

I can't believe that.

To like, to almost give it all up and be like, I'm going to do this thing instead.

Fuck.

To get offered to be in

one of the biggest sky punk bands in the world at the time was fucking wild, too.

Yeah.

You know, and it was only because we all loved each other so much.

It wasn't because I had any musical talent.

I mean, I just didn't think I could do it.

Like, I didn't think I'd do the do it justice.

I totally get that.

Like, that was me with Make It 64.

If it would have been like, oh, yeah, do this full-time.

It would have been like, great.

And then it would, but looking at it, it would have been like, cool to hang out with my friends, but I wouldn't have had any of this opportunity to do this stuff and missed out on so much stuff to do that.

And it's like, wow, man, that's crazy.

I always advise people if they can go to school, go to school out of your city.

Because you learn a lot.

You learn a lot being out of that city, and then you can make a lot of these decisions, I think, with clearer eyes.

It also helps not to be so close to your safety net.

Yep.

Yes.

You really need to dangle your feet

over the deep end a little bit in your life.

I was talking to now producer Kat, former intern Kat for FaceJam, and we were talking about that because she's been producing here for a little while, and she's kind of learning what she likes about it, if it's something that she wants to do or whatever.

And she was saying, like, look, I graduated college and this is something I never thought I'd be doing, but it's something I really enjoy.

But I'm at a point right now where I can live at home and not make a lot of money and learn this stuff and then go and do this thing away from the safety net.

And I'm like, you're doing it in the smartest way.

You're so much smarter than I ever was doing this stuff.

She is so, like, she's very capable.

I like Kat a lot.

Um, and she's a very good producer.

So it's, it's exciting to see new kind of like talent bubble up and everything.

I'll tell you something else that I'm excited about because I agree with you.

And I know that we

there's a lot of generational bickering and hatred back and forth right now.

And I know Gen Z gets gets shit on a lot by

boomers and millennials.

Not so much Gen X.

I think we get Gen Z a little bit.

But

watching my daughter go through school and watching what she's learning compared to what I learned is so crazy.

So much more advanced, it feels like.

I was, Millie has learned more about photography

in,

well, on her own because she's motivated and passionate about it.

But and, you know, there's,

there's no discounting that.

That's the biggest portion of it.

But just through the program in her high school alone, she's learned more about photography in three years than I learned in three years as a professional photographer in the Army.

It's fucking crazy the level of knowledge that is available to kids at a young age.

And that's very exciting because I'm watching kids get better faster than ever.

That was, I mean, again, starting around the same time with Mega64 doing their 20th also, and like really it was pick up a camera, let's do some stuff, let's jam it out, let's just fuck around, and then finding your feet with that stuff, you couldn't do that 20 years before because film costs money.

No,

V-tapes were nothing.

I mean, we say we, I mean, Mega64, Wruce Teeth, companies like us, were the first people to ever do it in this way because it was the first time it was readily available to the everyman.

Yep.

You know, the average Joe.

And it's been 20 years and I feel like it's kind of passe when people look at it now.

It's like, well, yeah, but you can just like start a YouTube channel.

It's like, right, now you can.

Yeah.

Also, good luck.

You know how much fucking white noise there is out there?

That's everyone who's like, I'm going to be a streamer on Twitch.

And I'm like, yeah, you and everyone.

There are seven and a half billion people on Earth.

Yep.

Six billion of them are on Twitch streaming.

And it's just like what, my biggest advice for Twitch is like, what's your other thing?

Yeah.

You got, okay, you have your Twitch channel.

What's your podcast?

What's your YouTube channel?

What's your TikTok presence?

What's your social media?

Like, what's the other thing that people go, and I want more of you, instead of just going, I do this sometimes.

I have kind of an internal struggle going on right now because I've often been very vocal about how I never want to make a career playing video games again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And how much of a kind of an albatross it was around my neck for a long time and how creatively restrained I felt by it.

But there's a part of me that wants to stream one thing in one particular way.

I kind of want to, I've, you know, I've been an Xbox guy

since Rooster Teeth started.

I very quickly felt, I'll be honest, I felt indebted to Microsoft

on day one and decided I was a homer for them and I would be totally

haven't owned a Sony since.

Gavin got me that PS5.

Straight footrest.

It is a footrest right now, but Gavin got me that PS5.

And I was looking the other day online at all of the exclusive games that I've never played.

Uncharted,

fucking

some other ones, probably.

Yeah.

The hits just keep coming.

Uncharted.

Last of us.

And more.

Fucking Last of Us.

All that stuff.

You're not making it through the intro, Last of Us.

I'm probably not.

I mean, not that it's hard.

Have you seen the beginning of...

I mean, you watch the show, yeah?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I know.

But you have to play it.

I can't.

That was Sean going, nope.

Yeah.

I probably,

and that might be all I'd make it through.

But anyway, there's a part of me that kind of wants to stream me playing every PlayStation game that I never played.

And just start at PS3 or wherever where I fell off and just catch up.

Yeah.

But then I feel like I'd be a hypocrite because

I don't want to stream.

Then don't.

I don't want to make money off of any.

But I kind of I'm torn.

I kind of want to.

I mean, like, what what's the goal, That you just do this or that you make money off of this?

Well, I don't wouldn't want to do anything and not make money.

Oh, okay.

All I want to do is make money.

I mean, if you streamed on Twitch, people would watch.

Yeah, I'd say on Twitch, people would watch.

You know what I mean?

I don't know.

But then I'd be like, oh, but this is what you wanted to get away from from achievement hunter.

So how'd you put yourself back in the situation?

Yeah, but I think that it's a more controlled, like, you way of doing it rather than making it.

I think that's the appeal.

You're not...

You don't have to hire Jack to do that with you now.

He's doing other shit.

Yeah.

That's true.

I'd finally be free of Jack and video games.

I'm just saying.

That's the, it is interesting.

We've talked about this a little bit, but like, the further and further I get in my career,

I don't know how to say this in a way that doesn't sound rude.

I'm excited.

I'm so excited.

But I just, like, the scope of what I want to do gets smaller and smaller and more focused and requiring less and less people.

And, you know, there's.

Yep.

We have a really tight team with face.

Yeah.

I mean, it's people that you don't even consider for who, like Brendan.

Yeah, he's great.

Brendan Carruthers, who is our content ops guy with Rooster Teeth, he

bends over backwards to do stuff for f ⁇ ing face because he is such a big fan and he wants to help it succeed.

And, like, you don't consider these small parts that play into this bigger thing.

Absolutely.

And it's like, but we still keep it really tight.

Kelly Reynolds, too, has been a huge help on that.

Oh, and this show, too.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

100%.

Yep.

And it's like, you just realize, you were talking about it on the Anima panel, right?

The price of success of, like, you're big and this thing grows, and then you have these things.

The spare bedroom just gets bigger and bigger and bigger until it's a warehouse.

And then eventually you lose the thing because now you have the formal process and the people who are, you know, that you have to work with and through to get something developed, to move forward and everything.

And you want to go back because you have a lot of, I think there's a lot of nostalgia for just like, well, fuck, let's just grab a camera and do something.

But that's what we just did here.

We set up behind Jackie Chan's tuxedo.

I mean, it's the only way I want to work.

Yeah.

It really is.

It's why Fuckface works so well for me right now.

Yeah.

It's like,

I just want to have an idea and then make it while it's 10 minutes old because that's when the idea is going to be good.

Because after an hour,

there's a fucking half-life to ideas, at least for me.

And if you wait like a day, it starts to, you start, you get like maybe 90% of it and then 80%.

And after a week, you're like, ah, I don't even

connect with half of this idea.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's why for so long I pitched on podcasts for such a long time because I thought this has such an ability to just take and go.

And with this, to be mobile about it, too, which makes it so much simpler and also just more convenient, really, to the idea.

I can't believe how well it works, honestly.

And then my favorite thing about it is the format at this point, because it's just...

It's wild, it's so unassuming, it's so easy to set up, like you were saying, Nick.

We sit down at a coffee shop at a table in front of 30 other people, and you can set the entire thing up and be 15 minutes into the podcast before people turn around and even realize that something's going on.

And then nobody messes with you.

Nope.

Not once have we had an issue.

It's been really good.

It's always been really good.

I don't know if we've talked about this a lot in other podcasts or whatever, but Nick's a huge reason why we do podcasts.

Oh, yeah.

When I started here, and it was a thing that we wanted to try to do, and then it was just like Nick pushing and going, let's do it.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

And we were like really met with like a lot of like, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

And then we recorded.

I don't know if we ever released them.

You remember that we did the On the Spot post-show audio podcast in the conference room in stage five?

Did you know that they're tagged on to the ends of those audio versions?

Yeah.

So like if you listen to the audio versions of on the spot from the last couple of seasons, there's an extra 10, 15 minutes of like a post-show that we recorded the next morning.

And that was a Zoom recorder.

That was met with like,

why are we doing?

What is this?

Why are we doing this?

Like it was

not, it was a lot of like not seeing the value in this and then keep pushing.

And then a lot of it while we were doing this was you becoming creative director and listening to good mornings from hell through that wall and then going, hey, we want to do this to me.

Yep, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yep.

Yep.

Make it.

Dude, talk about light bulb moments.

Like it really was.

I was sitting there in that brief period of time when I had an office.

By the way, I still.

Gus and Eric were bitching about their office today, and I was like, must be nice.

You have one.

Must be fucking nice.

I don't have a chair to sit in in that building.

I have a desk in the bullpen.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

And

fucking hell, man.

Now I'm all bummed.

I don't have an office.

What were we even talking about?

Yeah, the, I mean, listening to Good Morning from Hell, and that was Nick, me and Nick laughing in the background and like having these characters and doing all this stuff.

And you were just in the other room.

Well, it was so great because I would be like trying to work and then it would be going on and I'd get caught listening to them.

And then it just became theater of the mind.

Yep.

And it just reminded me why I loved Howard Stern and radio.

And I really did like

having, like, my thinking about Roost Teeth evolved in that room listening to Blaine and Crispy.

So

fucking funny.

Yep.

So fucking clever.

And so off the cuff, just ridiculously funny.

Yeah.

And

it really opened, like, I immediately sat down with the Achievement Hunter guys, and we...

We whiteboarded a bunch of ideas for podcasts.

This one I did like a celebrity gossip one, and Trevor did what became Red Web, and Jack did one.

It was like the head cannon thing.

Yeah, it's like

I think a lot of people don't see it, don't think about it like with podcasts, but like they're so fun to do this stuff, and then to be able to like have people listen is great.

I think Good Morning from Hell will forever, to me, forever be like an underrated podcast in like the booster teeth sort of annals of everything.

And I don't think Blaine and Chris are going to get enough credit, along with Nick, like creating that, making that, driving it.

Because I helped them in terms of producing it, but it really, it was just scheduling, getting them in a room and going, use this energy and put it here.

I really do think that there are two podcasts

that won't get enough credit historically.

And Good Morning from Hell is the first one for sure.

And the other one I think is Black Box Down.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, absolutely.

Because it stretched us

in a way that we've never stretched before.

No, and no one was willing to like, well, why would we take that on?

Why do that?

And it's like,

let's try the first show I greenlit.

Exactly.

And it's like, try it.

Try it.

And it was such, I love the idea.

And I'm so glad that Gus, by the time this is out and everything, it's done.

Black Box Down is.

Oh, it's done now.

Yeah.

I mean, like, it's over, and you can go back and listen to the whole thing.

I love that he saw it through.

I do too.

I think it's so cool.

And I love that he - I thought he did a - it's a really - I don't want to sound goofy, but it's kind of a brave thing to take a show.

It's hard enough to get us to hit, right?

It's hard enough to get to create a production that does well enough to be considered a hit.

To be a winner.

And Black Box Down was a clear winner.

And it required a lot of hard work and a lot of heavy lifting to get there, and they did.

Definitely.

And it is a really kind of a brave thing to do to look at it and to be able to have a 10,000-foot view of it and say, like,

I'm going to end it here when it's still as good, if not better, than it's ever been.

Before we hit a plateau or a slide,

I'm going to end it here on a high note

and walk away from it and be happy with it.

And

Gus is such a fucking robot about things that I don't think he sees it in a human way like that.

But for normal folk,

that's a hard thing to

really is.

And it's also, it frees him up to do the next two podcasts that he wants to do, which I'm very excited about both of them.

One of them, I don't...

I don't fucking understand what it's going to be.

The trailer you sent me, the demo reel trailer you sent me didn't help at all.

It made it even more confusing.

Uh-huh.

Great.

Awesome.

Do you know that Black Box Down only had four episodes recorded in the studio before we went remote?

Oh, yeah.

Ever since then, it's only been maybe a couple separate days.

I didn't know that at all.

Everything else has been remote.

I mean, that happened a lot with FaceJam, too.

We started FaceJam, and then we recorded.

I think we did one remotely, like from our computers, and we went, we have to figure something else out.

And then we recorded from our cars in the parking lot.

I remember that.

It was the best.

It was great.

It was so fun.

And there was so much, again, lightning in a bottle for that stuff.

I mean, we we started.

God, that is the perfect combination of people too.

Yeah.

Michael and Jordan together.

Oh, they're the fucking best.

It is so fucking great.

The chemistry between those kids is phenomenal.

I mean, they both have tons of chemistry in general, but they just, the thing that they make together is so good.

They're so different that it works so well.

Not discounting y'all.

Y'all are a huge part of it.

No, no, no.

But I totally agree.

That's the show.

Put a mask on.

Yeah, that's what the show is.

I mean, it's great.

But you know, fucking, like, this only started because of the pandemic.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, we were working from, I was just trying to make stuff from home.

We were were working from home.

If it wouldn't be for the pandemic, it might, I probably would have never,

I didn't personally think

remote podcasting was a good idea.

It was a necessary evil.

Right, at the time.

I understood that, but I didn't think that I could make a good product that way, and I had no interest in trying.

And it just became like the only way we could make something and the only way I could make something that Andrew.

Yeah.

And so it took a shot on it.

And then I can't imagine doing it any other way now.

No, no, no, no, no.

Now it's definitely like, I think we have to be really mindful when we do like office days and stuff because it puts like, well, we're all in person, but one person's remote.

And it's like, oh, we can't do this.

And we have to.

The remote is what makes it work.

Yeah.

I think it's great.

I think it's really good.

What time are we at right now?

We are at 35 minutes.

Oh, wow.

Look at that.

That one flew by.

Damn.

Well, thanks for listening.

This was

eight weeks ago when we recorded it.

So now we only have to do one.

Hey, this is really good.

Dude, look at we just set ourselves up for success.

I can't believe that.

We never do that.

That's awesome.

You can follow us on Twitter.

You're welcome,

Future Jeff and Eric.

Yeah, this is different from where instead, typically it's usually that's future them problems.

That's a problem for future Jeff.

Yeah, fuck him.

Instead of

this, yeah, exactly.

You follow us on Twitter and on Instagram at Anima Podcast.

There will be no pictures from this one unless I find them on my phone from forever ago.

We'll just post random pictures from RTX,

maybe.

But that's kind of it for this first supplemental of two for our Anima break.

Jeff, any wise words to leave people on

eight weeks from now?

They're going to hear this.

Yeah, here's some wise words for you.

Every once in a while, do something nice for future you.

Figure out what that is, and do that dude or lady a solid.

Nice.

Yeah.

It's good.

Thanks for listening.

Bye.

Thank you.