When Gus's Brain Turned On

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Okay, this is uh episode 55, right?

Remember that?

55?

Remember that?

Remember the internet?

Um,

55.

Last time we were at Free Wheel and Coffee.

We talked about a lot of changes on ECs or Chavez, talked about SimCity placements of the way people are building.

Yep.

Austin pawn shops, flying with Gus was a big topic.

Gus is hanging out drinking this coffee while Jeff is eating the fuck out of this cookie.

But that was all last time.

So now we have this time.

It's Anima.

We're at Ivory Bean Coffee down on South Lamar.

We're sitting in the back.

There's like an employees-only door

that's got like a big fake plastic spider on it.

I guess like they wanted to make sure nobody went in the door.

It's cracking me up.

I don't know why.

I find that really funny.

It's like eye level two.

Make sure you know, do not come in this door.

This is the spider door.

How was that cookie you're eating?

I don't like those kinds of cookies.

You want a little piece?

No.

No.

I just said.

It's okay.

The only reason I bought it or I got Eric to buy it is because it was a purple and orange monster truck, which seems suit too on the nose for ex-employee Jeremy Dooley, you know?

So I'm eating it in homage to his memory.

Rest in peace.

Rest in peace.

So we're, like, on the way over here, we drove down.

Maybe the segue's too on the point.

We drove down Ultorf

on the way over here.

Talked about all the people that died on Ultorf.

Before we do that, can I tell you my arachnophobia started?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, you got it.

Arachnophobia.

Sorry, we were talking about about arachnophobia before the podcast started because of the spider on the door.

So, when I was at my first wife's house in upstate New York, second time I'd ever been there.

So, I was getting to know her family, right?

This is maybe 1996, 1995, 96, probably.

When did Arachnophobia come out?

97.

Maybe it was, I don't know, let me see.

Maybe it was a little bit later.

95, maybe.

No,

it had to be earlier than that.

It wasn't new when I saw it.

I bet it was like 92.

I had never seen it before, and I was at her house in upstate New York, and we were snowed in, and it was very cold outside, and there was nothing on.

Mighty.

There you go.

Mighty.

And so I thought, oh, I'm going to watch Arachnophobia.

I never thought to watch it before.

And I was drinking a cup of coffee, and I had like a cup of coffee in my hand, and I was watching Arachnophobia, and I didn't expect it to be scary, right?

Because like John Goodman movie.

Yeah.

Do you think it was going to be nice?

No, but I'm not scared of spiders.

I'm scared of snakes.

Oh, okay.

And there was a jump scare moment that scared me so badly.

I had a coffee in one hand and their remote control in the other.

I fumbled both of them in the air and the remote control landed in the hot coffee and it ruined the remote control.

Oh no.

But it was one of those days when it was like you had dish or whatever and it was like a specialized remote control

and the family couldn't watch TV

for a couple of days after that.

It like fucked everything up and her dad fucking hated me

from that moment on because I ruined his I somehow dropped his control in my coffee and it just destroyed it.

That's an amazing feat to pull.

I don't know how how I did it.

I was like, I was like,

you know, and then the next thing I know, it was just like sticking out of the coffee.

Why are you sitting there watching a movie holding onto the remote?

I just had like the remote.

What's the old coffee?

Put the remote down.

Like you put your thing on.

I was young.

I was like 24.

What do you want from me?

You know what young people do while holding remotes?

Oh, dude, I wasn't.

I was about 22, maybe 20.

Yeah, somewhere around there.

Oh, that's way better.

That's my Arachnophobia story.

Cost me

the love of a father-in-law and a remote control.

That's also like, man, yeah, like

pre-internet, pre-Amazon.

It's not like you could very easily get one.

I'm sure you have to call them.

Yeah, it was.

And it was like on a Saturday.

Yeah.

So it was like a Monday fix, and then the family was just like,

you could still, like, there was a complicated way you could get around it, you know, like pushing buttons on the TV, but it was just a fucking, it just ruined everything.

On the way down here, we were talking about a dude we knew who, like, back at the call center, like in the late 90s, he would

pirate and clone those H cards that like direct TV like satellite systems would use to like give you access he would like clone them and sell them on the internet and he was always like very I didn't have one of those systems I didn't I never bought one of those cloned cards from him but he was always like make sure to people he would sell it from you would always be like make sure you take it out of the system between three and four in the morning because that's when they send the signal looking for it and they'll fry it if it's in your system between three and four in the morning dude remember you ever wonder not remember but you ever wonder did you read stories about how like somebody hit a pedestrian in a car, and you think, like, well, I'm glad that, first off, the pedestrian's okay.

I'm glad the pedestrian's okay, or they live, or whatever.

But you think, like, what must that do to the driver for the rest of their life?

Like, if I hit somebody with my car and hurt them, or God forbid, kill them, but just hurt them, and they still live, they still, even if they just had a broken arm and they'd go on with their life, I would be terrified to drive for the rest of my life.

I would feel guilty for the rest of my life.

I'd feel like a monster.

I'd feel like I fucked up.

I always wonder, like, how does it affect the people who hit other people with the cars?

That dude hit somebody with a car, and he liked to tell the story.

Yeah.

He was

like many people at the call center, he was a.

Like he hit somebody with a car and they got hurt.

And

he loved to pull that story out and tell it.

Like, I guess the answer is not everybody is affected in the same way.

Well, some people are sociopaths.

Yeah.

I don't know that he was a...

Well, maybe.

Yeah, and I think we had a fair share of them working with us back then at the call center.

Definitely, I would say call centers in the 90s over-indexed on sociopaths.

Have we ever talked about the dude who needed to go home?

I don't know if we have.

What is this?

I don't know this story.

There were

some really

not great people there that, you know, we knew because obviously we worked there, but it's not like we were their friends or we associated with them.

One time there was this,

it was mainly men who worked at this call center.

Before you go any further, you know how some people are born already a man?

Like they have a mustache by 12 and they're like 6'5 ⁇ , and they're ripped and they're like scary and they have a full beard by the time they're 17.

Okay, the guy Gus is about to describe was that dude.

I would not be shocked if this dude's in prison and has been in prison for a long time.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

He had a bad look about him.

He had a bad vibe about him.

Yeah.

And

at one point, we had a bunch of new employees.

We always had new employees.

I think the turnover at that place was like 400% or something, right?

Like it was just just constant

churn.

And we had a new employee who was, and it was mainly college students.

We had a new employee who was a young woman who was starting, it was her first day, and then that dude came up to Jeff.

I think you were the one working, right?

Yeah.

And was like, I need to go home.

First off, this girl was very cool, but she was very atypical for...

the environment of that place.

She was very pretty and very tall and very outgoing and just seemed very nice and was like easy to like was striking up conversations with people and a lot of the people that call center haven't talked to

other people let alone women yeah in a while and he was like i just can't be here like like she's too pretty i gotta go home it was so much worse than that he comes up to me he's 6'3 full beard like mountain man kind of gravelly voice he's probably 22 and he goes he goes hey man

i need to go home and i go Oh, you're not feeling well?

Or everything okay?

And he goes,

not really.

No,

things aren't good.

And I go, oh, oh, fuck.

I'm sorry.

Well, I got to, like, what should I put down?

He goes, listen, you need to get me away from her.

What the?

And I go, what?

He goes, I can't be around her.

And I go, why?

And he goes, it's just not good, man.

And I go, I don't know what that means.

He's like, I just don't trust myself.

And I'm like, don't what?

And he goes, just let's send me home right now.

It'd be better for everybody if I went home.

And I was like, okay.

And then I was the scheduler, so I just made sure to never schedule those two together.

He didn't work there very long.

He didn't work there long.

He was saving up money.

I don't know if you remember this.

I do remember this.

He was saving up money, Eric, to go on a sex vacation

in Thailand.

Oh no.

And that was his stated purpose.

This was his story.

He would tell everyone.

Yeah,

I'm not relaying privilege information.

He'd be like, hey, do you want to get a job?

I'd like to work for your company.

I'd like to work at your textbook company.

And like, oh, okay, cool.

You like in college?

Yeah, but I'm mostly just trying to save up money because I want to go on a sex vacation to Thailand.

What the fuck?

Before I knew his last name, I knew that.

I I would not be, like I said, I would not be shocked if this dude is in prison.

Like,

man,

not creep.

Yeah, super creep.

Awful.

I think,

man, yeah, I don't even know how to follow that up.

Like,

he, like,

someone that's just, that seemed bad all around from the moment you met them.

He didn't make it long.

He didn't make it.

He weirded people out.

He creeped people out.

And I think, I don't know if he quit or we got rid of him, but it didn't last long.

Yeah.

It was a weird vibe.

You know, some people, every once in a while, you just meet somebody instantly.

You're like, oh, like that person has the potential to be Jeffrey Dahmer, right?

You know, you can just like, you can just feel it.

And you're like, man, I shouldn't stereotype people.

I shouldn't do that.

I should be better about it.

And then they open their mouth.

You're like, this guy has eaten someone.

Yeah.

This guy has murdered someone and probably has their heads.

There was another guy.

Here's a fucking story from the tech sport days.

There was another guy who was weird.

Just fucking weird.

Not, I didn't think he was like aggressively weird, but later I kind of did.

He was just off-putting and creepy, and he was Gus's employee.

And Gus had to keep,

he had trouble coming to work on time.

And Gus finally called me one day and he goes, listen, if this guy comes into work late today, I need you to fire him for me.

I'm not going to, I can't, for whatever reason, I can't come in to fire him.

I was in the San Marcos office because we were opening up.

And he goes, he was supposed to be on time today.

It was his last,

it was, this is his last chance.

If he comes in late today, I need you to fire him.

And I go,

okay, yeah, man, whatever.

Firing people was a thing that was very scary twice and then became a very common part of the job.

Plus, also to re-emphasize, like,

we were like, man, I was 22.

Yeah,

24, maybe 23.

We're really young as well.

And so.

I wasn't even 20 yet.

So this guy comes in.

He's like 30 minutes late.

It's like his 10th offense

in 10 times or something.

And so I call him in the office and I go, hey, man, I'm just just letting you know we're going to have to let you go.

Gus asked me to let you go.

And he goes, oh, well, no, Gus has to fire me.

And I go, well, yeah, Gus asked me to fire you.

What the fuck?

And he goes, and he just kept staring at me, and he goes, yeah, well, I'd like to hear from Gus.

And I go, well,

Gus is in Sam Marcus today.

I'm doing it for him.

And he's like, okay, well,

I'm just going to come back and talk to Gus.

And I was like,

it's your prerogative, you know?

So I sent him home and he came back to talk to Gus.

This motherfucker hired him back.

And then I looked like an asshole.

And then the guy worked there for like another year and a half.

And I shit you not, Eric.

Every day when I would come in to manage, I would sit at this little computer that just kind of looks down on the floor.

And that dude would stare at me like this.

Just like trying to burn holes through my head.

For a year that guy stared at me.

You also missed part of the story where

we would frequently see him in the parking lot talking to himself in his car.

Yes.

I forgot about that.

He talked to himself a lot.

Really interesting how he made you fire this guy.

Oh,

I gave us shit about it for years.

We're still hearing about it.

I'm not giving giving him shit about it.

I'm telling the story.

I'm not giving him shit.

It was like, it's fine now.

I got over it, but I was fucking annoyed with us for a little bit.

I don't remember the name.

Because I thought that guy was going to kill me.

I don't remember the dude's name, but I do remember what he looked like.

I can tell you his name.

Oh, really?

No, we don't have to.

Good, we shouldn't.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember all of it.

I remember the other dude's name, too.

I remember the other dude's name because.

It was a unique name.

Yeah, I was.

Stay away from that guy.

Like, if I ever saw that, like, if I ever went to a restaurant and I put my name on a waiting list, if I saw that name, I was leaving.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, that was an unusual group.

But

we were driving over on Oldhorf, and you remembered something I'd forgotten about that happened when the clown got stabbed to death.

Yeah.

Yeah.

On like Old Torf in 35, there's a high school on one side of the street, and there's some apartments on the other.

And on the side of the apartments, one night at like one in the morning, a clown was walking down the street, like a dude who was a professional clown, and somebody just stabbed him to death.

What?

And this was, I don't know, eight years ago?

10 years ago?

Maybe 10, yeah.

Yeah.

And then you remember something that I didn't know, which was right past that, where the Austin Beer Garden.

Oh, yeah, that was like, it's where the train tracks cross over.

Well, this is a really morbid episode.

This is where the train tracks cross over Old Torff.

I want to say that's like right around where, I think it was Miss Deaf Texas got hit by a train there.

It was.

So I looked it up because we weren't sure talking about it on the way.

Miss Deaf Texas, Deaf Beauty Contest winner.

was walking along the railroad tracks home from her mother's workplace texting with friends that was struck by a train.

What year was that?

Does it say 2006?

March 2006.

Terrible.

I don't remember that at all, but I was here.

Yeah,

it was right over there

by right off Old Horse.

That's wild.

Yeah.

And you said it was like in a movie or like it was something like that.

Oh, the embarrassable lightness of being.

Yeah, I never saw it.

It was a book and a movie.

Yeah.

What the fuck?

What is with this street?

Just a lot happened to me.

No, that apartment complex where the clown got stabbed.

Like, that's...

I lived there when I was like four years old.

Yeah, that's right.

We determined it was when you became synthetic.

Yeah, it's when my humanity turned on.

I remember living there back in the 19

early 80s, right?

It's like being like a little kid.

How old do you think you were?

You were born in 77?

78.

So I would have been like three or four living there.

You were barely gym actually.

Had like a little, yeah, barely by the cusp.

I had a little like blue radio control car I used to play with all the time there.

Is that your first memory?

It's one of my first memories there.

Being there and then being at

Hancock's Center.

I remember big planters back then.

We ever talked about our first memories on this podcast?

I don't think so.

My very first memory, I remember it as clear as day.

I was on the side of a hill playing with this like red metal,

looked like a fire truck, right?

Like old-timey toy, because I was, this is probably 1978, 77, probably around the time Gus was born.

Yeah.

Because I'm a little bit older than him.

And I remember having so much fun playing and having to go to the bathroom and not wanting to stop playing, and I shit my pants.

and then I remember like having to put the toy down and walk up to my grandma crying and knock on the door and ask her if I can come in because I shit my pants and have her clean me up and she's like come on in that's my very first memory of being a human being is shitting my pants I the I shit my pants when I was five

in kindergarten at school at school oh that's a bad one like quit uh I went uh at that time I was living down like south of Houston in one of those small like little suburbs where where was that flat I remember what it was called um So there's like a bunch of little towns there.

It's like Texas City, Lamarck,

Galveston, all that area.

It's complicated.

Anyway.

Was it Texas City?

I think it was Lamarck.

I'm not saying because I don't remember exactly.

Okay, I just remember it being in the story.

It was either Texas City or Lamarck.

And

I was in kindergarten at school, and at our school, there was a bathroom attached to the classroom.

Like if you want to go to the bathroom, you didn't have to leave the classroom.

There was a door by the classroom door that went into a bathroom and it was like a little toilet and sink and everything.

So if you want to go to the bathroom, you just go right there.

And I remember I needed to, I needed to, I need to take a shit, take a little kid's shit.

And he's going to take a big man's shit.

I walk up to go to the bathroom and someone's in there.

The door's locked.

Like I try the door and it's locked.

And there's like, I remember there's like a little

little chair next to the bathrooms, I guess, with like a little highlights magazine or something.

So like if you need to wait, you can sit there and wait.

So like I sit down and I'm like, oh no, I really need to go.

And I like get up and I start like pacing around, waiting.

And you know, you're like a little kid, you don't think like, I need to leave the classroom, go to another bathroom.

It's like, this is the bathroom, like, very single-threaded, not thinking ahead.

Yeah.

And so, I'm like, I stand up, walk around, you know, person still not coming out, sit down to wait again.

And as I'm sitting down, like, I just shit my pants there.

I'm like, oh, fuck.

And it's like, like I said, it's like in the classroom, like by the door, right?

So, like, no, okay, like, I kind of like tell the teacher, like, hey, I shit my pants.

So she sent me to the office so they could call my mom to come get me, right?

She sent me to the office.

Was your mom a teacher at this point?

No, she was not.

Okay.

I get sent to the office and I tell the secretary, you know, I shit my pants.

Can you call my mom for me?

And it must have stank because the secretary put a chair out in the hall and made me go sit in the hall.

You're just like sitting in your turds?

Yes, I'm just like sitting in a turd.

And I remember like an older kid.

Nobody took you to the bathroom.

No, no, I remember I was sitting in the hall and like a slightly older kid was walking by in the hall and like stopped in front of me and did like out of a movie like like sniffs the air and turns and looks at me and goes, did you?

And I just go, yeah.

And he goes, oh, and he just keeps walking.

So yeah,

I shut my pants when I was five at school.

Damn, dude.

Damn.

That's fucked.

Yeah, it sucked.

So like, I- Is that the only time you shit your pants at school?

Uh, yeah.

Okay.

And I, I, uh, and I feel like that has forever affected me to this this day.

Like, I'm always nervous.

Like, I don't want to shit my pants.

Where's the bathroom?

Okay, I know where the bathroom is.

I'm going to be okay.

If I need to take a shit, I can go over there.

Like, and have, like, a backup plan.

Like, it scarred me.

You know, here we are 40 years later, and I still think about not shitting my pants in public.

Oh, my God.

I looked for the bathroom when we walked in here.

I saw it.

I saw where they are.

Yeah.

Yeah, you never know.

That's good.

I don't want to have a repeat here.

Yeah, no.

This...

This, I can't remember if I've talked about it on this podcast or not, about when I moved to Austin and I was trying to find jobs and how I ended up working at the call center.

But this building is attached.

There's an Eastside King on the north end of it, which

used to be like the most popular food truck business in Austin.

Yeah.

Way back in the day, this guy Paul Key, who ended up winning Top Chef Texas or Top Chef Portland one year and became like a kind of like a national sensation briefly and then ran into some drug and abuse problems and kind of disappeared off the scene.

But Eastside King, this is I think the only one left.

And it used to be a porn store.

And when I first moved to Austin, I applied to work at the porn store because I thought that'd be a cool job.

And they wouldn't hire me because

he was like, so where are you coming from?

And I was like, I just got out of the military.

And he goes, you're kicked out of the military.

And I was like, no, I ETS out of the military.

And he goes, I don't know what that means.

And I go, it means exit terminal status.

And he goes, terminal, that means, that sounds dangerous.

And I was like, no, no, no, no, I just got out of the army.

He's like, so they threw you out.

And I was like, no,

you're allowed to leave the army.

I fulfilled my obligation.

I'm honorably discharged.

And he was like, I don't know, man.

It sounds like you're selling me a line.

And he just wouldn't hire me.

I will say

you didn't help yourself in that situation at all

by using terms this man wouldn't know.

Yeah.

Yeah, man, I ETS.

Yeah.

I was also

23 and I had been in the army from 18 to 23.

It was all.

It's all you know.

You assume everyone

was all.

It was all I wanted.

Yeah, man.

We all know ETS.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

You're on like 20.

No, we're in central time zone, idiot.

Do you wish that you had worked there?

I thought it would have been a cool job.

We never would have met.

No, I would have probably met you there.

Or when I came to buy my porn.

Yeah, I mean, I would have probably met you sooner.

Hey, man, you look cool.

You want to be friends?

Did my issue a knocker's come in?

Oh, my God.

No, I'm glad I didn't work there because we got to meet.

And we're right by

where Art's Rib used to be.

I think it used to be on the other side of the parking lot over here.

If I remember, I never ate there.

Did you ever eat there?

I ate there once.

I thought it was mediocre.

And it closed right up front of either.

It was around forever.

I felt like Neon Science forever.

Like

Arts Ribhouse and Hills Cafe were down here.

And Matt's El Rancho.

It was further down.

Hills Cafe.

Yeah, but they're all like on this side of Lamar.

And they're like the

big institutions.

And they're all gone, but Matt's.

Yeah, Matt's El Rancho is still there.

I remember years ago, I think it was when I was still working at the place before Rooster Teeth.

You know, I used to travel a lot at my old job.

And I remember maybe back in, oh man, 2000, 2001, I was on a flight, and, you know, they put those shitty magazines in there.

I was like, I was on an American flight.

I was like flipping through American Away.

Do they make those anymore?

Yeah, I think they still do.

I don't ever see them though.

They don't do Sky Mob, but I think they still do the magazine.

I don't know they do.

But I remember I picked up the American Away that was in the seat back, and it was like Madeline Stowe was on the cover, and it was like, Madeline Stowe's Austin.

And I was like...

Is Madeline Stowe from Austin?

I guess she lived like in Dripping Spring or or in the Hill Country or something.

Really?

Yeah, and I was like, oh, okay.

Like, I didn't know.

So I was like, I'm flipping through it.

Like, what does Madeline Stowe recommend in Austin?

And

she had,

I guess, the center piece of the article was Mattel Rancho.

She talked about how much she loved Mattel Rancho.

And I was like, I'm never going there.

I was like, fuck, fuck that.

And for years,

Mattel Rancho has been around in Austin since the 50s.

This is not its original location.

Its original location was off Caesar Chavez, but it moved like in the 70s.

Yeah.

And

it's been like 20 years since I read that article, but only recently have I started going.

I think in the last six months, I finally went.

And I was like, you know what?

This place is not bad.

Really?

Yeah.

We ate there once together.

Did we?

Yes.

The dude that, this is why

it's how the guy who hit somebody with his car came up.

He took us there.

It was his favorite restaurant.

And we hated it.

And I haven't been back since.

That's funny.

I don't remember that.

That was probably.

When did we work in the call center together?

99 to 2000?

This would have been

2001.

2000, because I was 2001, I was working at the other place.

So 99.

It would have been in that early because 98 to, yeah.

I have no memory of that.

Because it was when we were at the original location, still working at the first call center before we moved.

Some good architecture going on.

Man, I don't remember that at all.

That's wild.

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like I avoided that place for so long.

And only recently I started going, it's like, oh, you know what?

It's all right.

It's better than Modi's.

Matt Hullum likes it.

Really?

Yeah.

What's named after him?

Oh, I didn't think about that.

Yeah.

It's his El Rancho.

Yeah.

Let's make it it Gus El Rancho.

I love that Gus and I are so at odds on certain restaurants.

Like, Top Notch and

Modi's, I just fucking are darling.

And I love that he hates them.

I have a complicated relationship with Top Notch.

Moddy's garbage.

I have a delicious relationship with Top Notch.

Was Modi's the one that we drove by today?

No, that was Koura's.

And you don't like that?

No, Kuro's garbage.

Kura's is great, too.

Yeah.

I ate at this Kura's.

I've only eaten at Kura's once.

Okay.

And it was at this one over here in Ultrorf that we drove past.

And I got tamales that had raisins in them.

What?

Yeah.

I've never done that.

And I was like, I'm never eating at this place again.

I've never done that.

Yeah, I've never had those tamales.

I always just get the enchiladas.

The last time I ate at that one, which was not that long ago, after the pandemic, I ran into Maxi

works in marketing, yeah.

There's another location up

in Hyde Park on Duval.

It's on Duval.

There used to be another one on Burnett over there there in an old Taco Bell, kind of by where Frisco was.

Was there?

Yeah, there was for a while.

Huh.

It's like where that car lot is.

There's like a Volkswagen Namazda dealership.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Like right just north of there.

There was a cruise there briefly, but it closed.

That's interesting.

That was...

God, that was 20 years ago.

I mean, 15 years ago, it was a long time ago.

I like the one at Duval for one specific reason, and that's it replaced one of my least favorite restaurants in my life.

Mothers?

I didn't like Mothers.

That was an institution.

Another institution that I get, and I respect that people loved it, but it just never, I always thought the food was mediocre.

It wasn't that great.

I never, I appreciated,

I appreciated that it was a vegan, vegetarian restaurant.

I wasn't bagging on them for that.

I eat there every now and then.

I just didn't like it.

I lived close to it for a while, and so I ate there a few times, and I just, yeah.

I'd eat there every now and then, but it was never like my go-to.

It was never like, I'm going to go look forward to that.

I think that is a, that's an unfortunate little area right there at 43rd and Duval because there's a lot of awesome stuff there.

There's a lot of stuff there in that spot, especially if you live over there.

There's a Fresh Plus grocery store, which I cannot say enough good things about.

I love Fresh Plus.

It was my local grocery store for a couple of years when I lived over there.

There's an Austi Italian restaurant, which is

very popular.

Super mediocre.

Super mediocre.

It's popular.

It is very popular.

That park, like that, there's a lot of traffic in that area around dinner time because of that.

Quacks, super mediocre.

Over there.

Yeah.

Kura's is okay, but Mother's was terrible.

Hyde Park Bar and Grill, incredibly overrated.

Yeah.

The only thing over there that's like fucking is a banger is that like Uncle Nikki's.

I only ate there once and I got food poisoning.

I like that place.

I haven't had food poisoning there yet.

And Julia's.

Oh, Julia's family.

Which I think is kind of hit or more.

But it is good.

I like Julia's.

But there's so much stuff right there that's just like I lived over there and I just was so bummed that I didn't like all of it.

It's right by the Flag Store.

Flag Store's awesome.

Which was awesome before they changed hands.

Like they changed ownership a couple years ago.

One of the dudes who works there just got arrested last week.

What for?

Giving alcohol to minors.

Ah, that sucks.

I think.

Yeah.

The flag store lost its appeal to me when I quit drinking, you know?

Well, the flag store used.

So

the flag store changed once it changed ownership.

We should also say what it is.

It's a convenience store.

It's a convenience store.

It's called the flag store because there are flags all over it from all over the world.

So it used to be

the kind of place you would go to that had whatever you needed, right?

It's like if you're working on your house and you're like, oh shit, I need a chain and I need WD-40, but I don't want to go to Home Depot.

I'm just going to go to the flag store.

And they would have it, right?

Now it's a lot more traditional convenience store.

And they've always had a lot of beer, a lot of wine, but they got rid of a lot of

the other stuff that I felt like the flag store

was handy for.

And

it's fine.

It still has a lot of of stuff.

It just it's not the same as it used to be.

Plus the old owners were surly as hell.

They were.

The dude would smile at you every now and then, but the woman would not.

Yeah, it was fun.

It was a fun place to go.

Yeah.

Now it's

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A lot more typical convenient store.

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There's a place we should go maybe next week.

I've been telling you guys we should go to that one on North Loop, Double Trouble, that just opened up.

But we've also, I feel like we've hit that area a lot, so I don't care if we, but there is a place that's, I feel like we just talked about half of the shit shit over there, but I got a million more stories because I lived over there at the post office at 43rd and Speedway or whatever it is, right?

Yeah, it is.

It has closed down, and it is now a bookstore coffee shop.

Oh, is that open now?

So, according to Emily, it was only open for members for a while, which sounds weird, but now it's open to the public.

Do they know who we are?

Probably not.

Anyway, it's open to the public now, so we should check that out because that sounds pretty cool.

What is it?

It was a post office right there at like 43rd and I want to say Speedway here.

First light bookstore?

First light bookstore?

Yeah, that's what it's called.

First light bookstore.

Gus is doing other business.

Don't come.

Don't come up with a sticker.

Was that John Reisinger?

Yeah, John Reisinger.

Hey, what's up, John?

How you doing, man?

Come say hi.

So I've been getting into baking baguettes.

And John.

It's good to see you, John.

It's good to see you, too.

Glad to be on Anma, I guess.

Third guest of Anma.

John said

the next time I make baguettes to let him know that he wants one.

So he reserved a baguette that I made.

So I have a baguette in my back seat.

You're saying

Yeah.

I only make three a week.

I eat one.

Dibs.

I want a reserved one.

I gave one to my in-laws.

I had one extra one, and John asked for it.

It's like Supreme.

You know, the kids are all about the exclusivity and limited, you know, stuff.

I got a baguette drop.

Hey, can I get in on next week's baguette drop?

I have family visiting next week, so they have the baguette reserved.

You can have it the week after.

All right, so I got a baguette in two weeks.

Yeah.

All right.

Jesus Christ.

I'm going to unlock the door.

Text me when you you get it.

I'll lock it.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thanks, John.

It was good to see you, John.

I like that guy.

I think he thinks I don't like him.

I think he thinks I don't like him, but I do like him.

That's okay.

Here's my boss right here.

Eric.

No, I'm not.

I even, my email address is now

Eric at Jeffsboss.com.

Nope.

It's Eric at Jeffsboss.com.

It's not.

I register the domain and everything.

Did you?

No, it's real.

You can send an email to it.

It's for my new podcast, so all right.

So if people want to contact me, they have to go to the next video.

The first person who emails eric at jeffsboss.com will get that pack of gum, the Detroit Tigers gum, that we opened in the break show last Monday.

There you go.

We have to find that.

They'll also

put you in a lottery to win a Gus baguette.

So

first membership has its privileges because first member is going to listen to this first, so a first member is going to get the

Tigers card.

That was good.

The break show was pretty fun, yeah?

Yeah.

Yeah.

How did you feel about that, Gus?

I thought it went really well.

Thank you for having me on your thing.

I felt like I was invading,

onto your thing.

Everybody said that you had really good chemistry with Emily, is what I read.

Oh.

That you guys seem to really, I don't know, perform well together.

Yeah, she's hilarious.

I mean, she's great.

Yeah, she's great on that show.

And so I wanted to make sure.

I don't marry duds.

I wanted to make sure that

I wasn't ignoring her, right?

I'm on you all's show.

So I wanted to make sure to engage as much with not just you, but with Emily as well.

But yeah, we opened a bunch of old baseball cards from like 89, 90.

Any big hits?

No Don Zimmers, but yeah, we did.

I actually, I'm glad you asked, Eric, because we're going to do the break show today.

We are.

And

I took all of the good cards home and I graded them all and I went and found comps for them.

And I'm going to provide a report of what

the most valuable cards are worth.

Can we get a spoiler?

By the time this comes out, the break show will be done.

I think the number one card was a Bo Jackson that could be up around $150.

What about those Kid Griffeys?

They were like $30, $40, $50.

Holy shit.

We have the break show, which is live on Mondays, and then it goes up on Rooster Keith on Thursdays, and then free for everyone on Fridays.

But Jeff has a new podcast coming out called So Alright.

I think if you listen to this Monday, I think Jeff's podcast will come out on Tuesday, I think.

Boy, that's scary.

So,

I don't know.

It's just Jeff's solo podcast.

If you like this but want less people,

check out Soul Alright.

If you want to get a gusectomy.

Yeah.

So what I did there, Gus, you can see it's the potential maximum value and then how many PSA tens exist because they report that.

So you can see.

So like you can tell how rare a card is.

That's interesting.

That's really cool.

Yeah.

And we're going to figure out something to do with those.

I don't know if we're going to find a way to give them away an extra life or do something for

a charity-related thing.

You could sell them all and then fund a vacation for you and Esther.

So yeah.

I should probably sell them all.

I'd pay pay my mom back for paper storage for 25 years, 30 years.

You don't want to buy a vacation to it's looks like you have enough money to go to Branson, Missouri.

Yes, it's So All Right should be out tomorrow by the time you're listening to this.

Oh, that's scary.

That's next week?

The break show yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the break show will be the break show's been going.

We're about three weeks strong by the time you're listening to this, so check out the break show.

I went from doing face and Anna to doing a whole lot all at once, and I don't know why I did that.

Idiot.

Yeah, I know.

How's the cookie, Eric?

I don't like these kind of cookies because they're typically very dry.

It's not even that.

It's just not.

They're very bland normal.

Like a sugar or shortbread cookie.

I feel like it's it.

They're just bland experiences.

It's a fucking visual tin.

I'll give it that.

All right.

It tastes like getting a cookie at the fair.

It was also packaged on the 9th, I guess, and today is the 17th.

21st.

21st.

I don't know how long these things last for.

I think it's probably fine.

Yeah, I think it's probably fine.

I don't think it was better six days ago.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, they did a good job of the wheels.

Let's talk about the coffee in this place a little bit.

I do want to get back into more shit in this area, which is one of the reasons why I picked this spot.

I figured you guys were going to be like, this happened and then this happened.

I didn't expect a clown murdered and a template hit by a train.

But

Irie Bean is a coffee shop and a wine bar.

So if you live around here, you probably come down,

get a cup of coffee, wait a little bit longer, get a glass of wine.

They have a little patio kind of situation in the back.

Yeah.

It's only 96 degrees right now at 11 a.m.

Fucking brutal.

What you can do is that while you're eating your coffee,

you can walk over into Eastside King right there.

They're open from 11 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

Monday through Saturday, and then

something to something on this.

You talked about what it used to be a food truck, and now it's this thing.

What kind of food is it?

It's like Japanese, I guess.

I thought it was, yeah, yeah.

It's just like,

you know how there was like that big trend of like Asian fusion food?

It was like a lot of like Thai tacos and stuff, like Korean barbecue tacos and stuff like that.

They used to make a ramen,

a ramen bowl with

an egg and

pork shoulder in it, I want to say.

That Millie,

she's probably eaten more of that than anything else in her childhood, her entire life.

She loved it so much, I'd always go to Eastside King to get it for her on the way home from stuff.

How funny.

They have real good bow buns, too.

Oh, that's good.

Yeah.

I like all their art.

It's cool.

They have really good chicken karage.

Yeah.

It's just inconvenient.

Yeah.

Wasn't there one over on Caesar Travis?

Didn't we see a trailer when we did the episode?

I think there's a trailer over there.

I don't know if it's open.

The original locations were, it was all the bars.

It was

Liberty,

Grackle, and Shangri-La is where they were.

And they might.

And you would do like a, when you would go drinking on a Friday night, you'd go to Riarita and then you'd go eat at all three of those.

I always get Eastside Eastside King confused with Tycoon.

I think that's what I'm thinking in my head.

Oh, yeah.

I think there's a tycoon in the domain, and there might be one over by Kim Fung on North Lamar.

Then another little piece of interesting trivia is, you see, it's got a very unique art style.

All the Eastside Kings are painted like that.

That's actually done by a guy named P.

Lander Yellow.

Oh, P-Lander Yellow did that?

Yeah, who's in the band P-Lander Z,

who is an awesome dude.

I've hung out with him a few times.

That's the reason why I thought the art was so fucking cool.

It's just P-Lander Yellow.

Yeah, P-Lander lives here, and he was real good friends with the owner.

Coco's Cafe is selling a t-shirt that was designed by P.

Lander Yellow right now.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's cool.

That's a really cool dude, by the way.

If you ever get a chance to meet him, really cool approach.

P.

LanderZ is cool as fuck.

Great band.

Great band.

Nathan, do a music video for them?

Yes.

Yeah, Nathan Zellner, who used to work at Roosteith, did a P.

Lander Z music video.

That's right.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

And then he did a bunch of really successful movies.

Yeah, that guy's like Robert Pattinson and shit.

Right, right.

But P.

Lander Z.

But he did do the P.

Lander Z.

So Iri Bean is connected to Eastside King.

Don't go in the employees' only door.

No,

you'll get scared as a spider.

It'll ruin your remote control.

Yep.

There's also, what's on the corner?

Is a tattoo shop?

Oh, yeah.

There's a Rock of Ages tattoo here, I think.

Okay.

I don't know shit about that.

Yeah, me neither.

There's like...

846 tattoo shops in Austin.

Oh, yeah.

I lost all perspective on all of them years ago.

It's impossible to keep open.

So there's like a lot of stuff around here and a lot of stuff in this spot.

There's across the street, there's a place called

Black Sheep Lodge,

which is okay, sports bar if you want to go.

They have decent food, it gets crowded, doesn't it?

It gets real crowded on the weekends, but if you want to go watch a football game or something, that's a decent spot to do it.

So Chipotle.

There's a lingerie sex store over there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not where East King is.

It's a different story.

Well, that's not a sports store.

It's just like where you go to buy, like, I don't know, dildo popsicles and

like gags and stuff.

Yeah, we got to make a pit stop before we head back to.

Got to get these popsicles.

It's just an area of town that I feel like

is hanging on.

Yeah, there used to be.

I mean, it's a great part of town.

Yeah.

We're also really close to, there used to be a Kirby Lane right over here.

It was open for many years.

It became Gordo's when Gordos had, like, when they graduated to a brick and mortar, but that closed, I think, like a year ago now.

Yeah.

I don't know what that building is at this point.

I don't even know if that building's still there.

I don't know if it's like getting demolished or what's going on with it.

It's a lot of turnover.

There used to be a place that was really, we talked about the heavy hitters of the old days, Hills Cafe and Arts and whatever the other one was.

Oh, Matt's.

Also, Maria's Taco Express used to be over here.

That was, at least when I moved to Austin in 98, 94, 95, that was like the place you got breakfast tacos.

Like breakfast tacos have always been a thing here, but there was like, that was like the only place you would go.

You know.

You mentioned Hills Cafe made me think about this.

I went up to the HEB off of Far West yesterday.

I love that H-EB.

Secret HEB, because you can't see it from the road.

Oh, yeah, yeah, Secret HEB.

Secret HEB.

And as I was pulling in, I was looking at that, you know, there's that little shopping center in front of it that's blocking it from the road.

There's a Burt's BBQ in there.

Really?

Yeah.

Where?

Like, as you're.

I go there all the time.

You know, the street, not far west, but when you turn in to kind of go in the backside of H-E-B, right before you turn to the right, like right there on the right, on that corner, there's a Burt's BBQ right there.

No shit.

Yeah.

And I bring it up because Hillbert's Burgers, which is my favorite burger place, is named after Hill's Cafe and Burt's BBQ.

Right.

That's so funny.

That's why they called it Hillbert's Hill's.

It was their two favorite restaurants.

How weird.

Secret.

Have you ever eaten at Burt's BBQ?

No, I've never eaten there.

I thought they were all gone.

I did too.

I didn't realize there was still one.

I'm going to go.

I go to that bank sometime.

Yeah, I was shocked.

I was shocked.

I'm going to go up there and check it out.

That's also, by the way, that's where Biederman's Deli is, where I fell in love with Pastrami.

Yeah.

Uh-oh.

Biederman's really good.

That's right by where we did the episode with Becca.

Yeah, that's right.

I read that epoch up there.

Yep.

Yeah.

A little further up this road, I really like Golden Goose is right over here.

It's a bar.

It's a great bar.

A little die bar company.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It has a jukebox that only takes dollars.

It doesn't take coins and it doesn't take cards.

That's it.

Cool.

We used to eat at a place.

Once again, somebody from the tech support company loved this place, and I can't remember who.

But do you remember, guys?

We see an old alligator grill down the road.

I know who that was.

Who was it?

I mean, it was the

Snatchez guy.

Yeah.

Nice.

Then that's gone.

Oh, yeah.

That's where that was the rest.

The old Alligator Grill was the restaurant that they dressed up to be Tchotchky's in office space.

Yes.

Yes, that's right.

So if you ever saw Tchotchki's, that was actually the old

Alligator Grill, which I think later became a...

I think it's a Pluckers Now.

I think it's a Pluckers Now, but I think for a while it was a Kirby Lane or a high maybe.

Was it?

Oh, there was a Kirby over there, wasn't there?

Yeah, briefly.

Yeah, a couple of that.

There's a Kirby if you keep going down Lamar, like on, like, just going like south of here.

That's what we're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's that.

That's where they filmed Office Space.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Some of it.

Some of it, yeah.

Crazy.

Jennifer Aniston was there.

Dude, she set foot in that.

Wow.

That's crazy.

So, what'd you think of Iri?

So, this was an unusual place because you all always get the iced coffee, and I get the iced Americano.

The iced coffees always come out first, and then you have to wait a couple minutes for the iced Americano.

Uh-huh.

The iced Americano came out first here, which went very, very fast.

It was like instant.

You ordered it, and it came out instantly.

Uh-huh.

This is

not bad coffee, but it's not like mind-blowing.

It's not like what we had last week.

Like, this is very much, I felt like this is like what I would make myself at home.

Yeah.

This very middle of the road.

Somebody in the audience pointed out that we fucked up last week.

What was the name of the place we went to?

Free Wheeling Coffee?

Free Wheeling.

We said that Free Wheeling and all gimmicks they were up at the top.

We forgot about Fleet.

Apparently, Fleet was rated very highly as well.

Fleet game.

That's right, but Fleet.

Is that the one that was at the little

corner and now it's not there anymore?

You mean where I go?

Yeah, like the little like park because it's not there anymore.

Little fields, yeah, but we went to the fleet over there by Lost Wells.

That's right.

Yeah, we went to the one by Lost Well.

I forgot.

The original one.

Yeah, yeah.

Those are all good.

There's a new one.

There's a new fleet that we should probably hit up on like 7th or something.

We need to also go to Disneoda Coffee.

Yeah.

Okay, so I want to do that.

It feels like it's going to be a crapshoot on if we go and it's going to be like wait in line and we can't find a place to record or if it's going to be no one's there because it is a popular place,

which is weird for

a coffee shop in that area, like that part of town.

And it's definitely on the list of places I want to go.

Yeah, Blaine's mentioned it a few times, and I know he's going to be upset if we don't eventually.

Right, right, right, right.

It's a very popular place.

So, what do you think about your iced coffee?

It's good,

it's definitely a darker roast, and you can taste it immediately that it's more of a darker roast.

I like that, by the way.

Not burned, just really like

flavor

a lot more chocolatey sort of notes to it instead of like i really prefer like if you could roast it a coffee so light that it almost tastes like grass that's what i like that's what i prefer um even in something like a cold brew or an iced coffee i like a really really light roast where it's kind of fruity or whatever so this isn't really my cup of tea but um it's not by no means is it bad yeah this is really easy to drink yeah like really it's not bitter or i mean not acrid i will i will will say double cupping this has kept it so cold the whole time where every other coffee place we ever fucking go to is single cup here's a plastic thing get out yeah fuck off double cupping this thing has kept I saw a ton of ice in this fucking drink yeah and it's hot as fuck if uh yeah I

this is a totally fine place to come to if you're if you're in the area absolutely hit this place up 8.6 wow I would go I was thinking 7.5 7 I'm right around like a 7 somewhere around there I'm higher on it yeah I like it a lot I like the dark rest.

Yeah, I can tell.

If you're giving it that high on this, I'm a dark rest guy.

Yeah, definitely.

I was skeptical when they handed out the Americano writer.

I was like, oh, he's going to be like that place we went to where the guy just pushed the button.

Yeah, I was like, oh, it's going to be like that on the side.

That was such a bummer.

That was such a bummer.

This is head and this is really good.

And I'll be honest, I've never been to Irie Bean, and I never thought about coming here because I thought the name was kind of dumb.

But here we are.

I was missing out on an awesome coffee shop.

Yeah, and it's a.

Never judge a book by its cover.

It's a spot.

But that's what the cover's there for.

Yeah, the cover is to keep dust off the jacket.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

So, yeah, good coffee.

I think it's cool.

Again, in a good area where there's a lot to do, you get a cup of coffee and then go do a million other things.

Yeah, it's a happening part of town.

Yep.

Which I really like.

If you're going to live south of the river, I would say this would be

the part of town you'd want to live in, probably.

Between from like Mopac to 35.

Yeah.

I was going to live.

North of

Ultra 50K.

I was going to point it out when we were driving here that this would be a really easy place to live.

If I didn't work north of the river, this would be a spot where I'm like, hell yeah, let's do it.

Dude, I would love to live south of the river if I didn't work north of the river.

Yeah, because there's no fucking way.

It's not worth it.

It's a pain in the ass.

I know it may sound dumb, but Austin is a north to south city.

It is.

And the river is like this line of demarcation.

It's just choke points.

It's a huge choke point.

Yeah.

Like, the reason you can get everywhere else if you're north of the river or south of the river already is because there's a bunch of access roads and points to get anywhere you need to go, right?

Like MLK will take you all the way east to west, everywhere you need to go.

And, you know, Old Dwarf and stuff like that will do like the same thing.

But if you're trying to go north or south, fuck off.

Yeah, you're so limited.

You're just choked.

You're choked.

And it's such a headache.

But guys, one more lane.

We're going to have one more fucking lane.

Austin is definitely split up into people who live south south of the river and people who live north of the river.

Gus and I were both south of the river people, I think, for a long time for a long time.

And now we're both north of the river people, and it's different.

And I hate myself every day.

It's a different.

I don't hate myself.

I like it, but I do miss because you don't ever come down here.

No, no.

No.

Like, I really don't.

I only ever do for this show.

Yeah.

And I come down here and I'm like, oh, I forgot about this whole other half of Austin.

It's fucking the reason everybody moves it here, by the way.

Absolutely.

Yeah, cool place.

Come check it out.

Let's get into an anima question.

Anarchy me anything is the name of the show.

Here's Huzzabee on the Reddit.

Name guess.

Annual meetup of assholes.

Great guess.

Keep guessing.

Not the name.

You're almost there.

Keep guessing.

So close.

Yep.

Here's Wheat Rider.

I don't know how specific you guys want to get, but I kind of want to know.

What have been your favorite slash least favorite companies to travel to for work?

Companies?

Huh?

I guess we could broaden it to things.

What have you liked and not liked to travel for?

My favorite companies to travel for

were my least favorite companies to travel for, and that would be ad agencies.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Some of the trips to Portland to Wyden Kennedy were some of the best trips we've ever done.

Some of the trips to L.A.

for other finishing houses were some of the worst trips we've ever done.

It really depended on the project.

Sometimes it did.

It really did.

It was easy, sometimes it did not.

And who you drew from the ad agency because there's always a creative attachment.

Oh, is that how it is?

And I'm not singling out Wyden Kennedy.

There's a bunch bunch of ad agencies we work for, but it was really heavily dependent on who was your liaison.

And then, yeah.

Yeah,

we would get a producer who was on the account, and it'd be like, you'd get to know them, it'd be great.

But then they'd get moved off to another account.

It'd be a new producer.

Like, oh.

That's tough.

Yeah, it's going to be, we have to remeet each other, relearn each other.

It's weird when you work with someone like an ad agency where

you would think that they're hiring you, so they would trust you to do the stuff that they need you to do.

And then they just fucking don't.

In my experience, they would hire me to sit in a room and then tell me, and then get mad at me when I tell them that the video game doesn't do that.

Yes.

Yeah.

And I don't understand what you think the job is if you're an ad agency.

We need Reggie Bush to take his helmet off and talk to somebody in the huddle.

I'm like, cool, then you need to animate that.

They're like, no, no, no, we'll do it in the video game.

And I'm like, no, you won't.

And then they'd be like, yes, we will.

And you're like, I can't.

Yeah.

Let's zoom in real close on the coach standing on the sideline.

Oh, my God.

I mean, mean, yeah, the model is there, but it's low.

Polycount is not a problem.

It's not poly because you're not zooming in on it.

Eric, I almost fucking, like, I came close to hitting a dude once in a room in LA because we got into a fight about Stan Van Gundy's idol animation on the bench.

And I'm like, what do you want me to do?

He does what he does.

I can shoot it from a different angle.

I can shoot it low.

I can shoot it, you know, top.

I can try to make it more dramatic in the angle, but he's only ever going to do what a sprite does.

And they'd be like, I don't accept that.

I don't understand what you think this is.

Yeah.

I didn't make the fucking game.

I don't want to be here.

Yeah.

I want to do what you want me to do, but this is impossible.

It's weird.

It's just an off on saying no to you.

Yeah.

It's weird.

You kind of run into that in like a lot of creative fields too, where it's

trust the people that you're hiring or trust the people that are trying to do this stuff to do the thing that they that you hired them to do.

If you wanted to do this,

you would just simply be doing it and then saving all this money.

Yeah.

What do you, what's the in-between?

What is the, what's the excitement for you to get Reggie Bush to take off his helmet?

I know you're married to your first idea, but we got to come up with something else.

It's a football video game.

Yeah.

They're wearing the gear.

Yeah.

I think some of my, on the same token, like some of my favorite and least favorite trips were all like when we were like back-to-back events.

It was like all summer long going to conventions.

It was like...

It'd be fun to hang out with Jeff and just shoot the shit

in the booth.

And if Mega 64 was there, go out, get something to eat, go out, drink, and you know, hang out all night.

But then it was like, it was tiring.

It was a lot of work, and it was just like non-stop.

I think the way Gus and I had fun,

because I think we're very similar in this, we had fun by turning it into the most efficient operation possible.

Gus and I just didn't want to fuck around.

Like, we had joy in getting in and getting out and doing it well and doing it quickly and not and not wasting our or anybody else's time.

And I think that was the fun part about it is how good we got at it.

It's like Factorio.

But it was was also exhausting.

It's like Factorio.

I remember being really impressed with you guys because we would do a convention weekend or two that were like a month in between each other and just be like, man, this is fucking, whoo, it's exhausting.

Whatever.

And you guys would be like, we have a, we have something every week.

Yeah.

We do that.

We just, we get done here and then we're going there and then we're going here and then we're going there and we'll see you in a month.

And it was like, I don't, what?

You would do like 20 to 30 a year.

Yeah.

And I just remember like that was very eye-opening for me, meeting you guys and seeing the amount that you put into it like that and going, like, oh, I thought what we were doing was rough.

And then we had that, we left on Sunday because we had to work on Monday.

We had red versus blue to make in the process, too.

That was the thing.

It's like, there was just

a lot of work.

It was just never.

Yeah, we were just always working.

Yeah.

I loved it.

I loved it at the time.

I couldn't do it again.

No, fuck no.

Fuck no.

True.

It was fun.

I was talking to my friend Jared, who runs Cheap Ass Gamer.

Yeah.

And he, we were talking about PAX.

PAX is coming up beginning of September.

PAX Prime?

PAX Prime in Seattle, yeah.

Do you know there's like another convention center?

Like it's in like two different buildings this year.

What?

They're like building like another convention center or something in Seattle.

I haven't been to Seattle in years, I guess, at this point.

That's fucking crazy.

I thought that convention center was just like, great, we've got it.

So they split it on two floors and we're good.

And

PAX is set.

They're like building a center.

So is this new one better, better, bigger?

I assume.

Yeah.

I don't know much about it.

Is PAX still thriving like that?

I don't feel like any convention is.

No, and it's weird because we were talking a lot about video game stuff with conventions and he was saying that like the way it's split up is kind of like here's pax and everything and then here's this other thing and it's like nintendo

like

the other building thing that this thing is in a lot of like nintendo stuff and everything which makes sense seattle sure makes a lot of sense um but i'm like man

does sony still go to this stuff?

Like, does Microsoft go to this stuff?

He's like, like, sometimes, but Sony, like, pulled out a Gamescom.

Yeah.

And,

but, like, it makes sense because if you're doing your own

conference online and you're controlling your whole narrative, why the fuck would you go to Germany, spend all that money?

You don't need to.

Nuh-uh.

No.

In eight years when the pendulum swings back the other way and they have to go back on like their hands and knees and be like, guys, no, no, no, we love being here with you.

Oh, we love it.

We never wanted to stop.

Exactly.

That's what will happen in 2030.

It will just swing back, and then E3 will come back again because it'll just be everyone gets tired of it.

Why are we doing it all individually when we can all pull in one direction together?

It'll just be that.

It'll just be a change in the guards.

Exactly.

And it'll just be that.

But it was very interesting to hear about PAX's back and split into like two different buildings.

Fucking crazy.

Cheapass Gamer, I've always kind of admired

because

that's very similar to an idea we wanted to do years ago.

Price puncher.

Yeah, oh, yeah, but

he's actually did it and is successful at it, whereas we just talked about it and never actually made it.

Yeah, Jared runs all like their social and everything.

He's on the ball, and I talk to him about, yeah, man, and like they do all these conferences, and then like they're announcing like PSVR2 or whatever, and he's like,

I just get so much anxiety when they do that because I just know that's what my life is for the next three months.

And I'm like, oh, that fucking sucks.

Fuck.

And that's why you don't run something something like that because it has to be your whole fucking life.

And then don't worry, there's eight times as many social media platforms in the last six months as there were six months ago.

So great.

Run it all, baby.

What fun.

Yeah.

Sounds great.

Let's get out of here.

Yeah.

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