Unlocking Life’s Mysteries: Purpose, Past Lives & Manifestation with Matias De Stefano | EP 49

Speaker 1 A purpose is not something that someone told you to do, it's something that you decided to do according to who you are today.

Speaker 1 But if you don't know yourself, the purpose will be done in your level of consciousness. That's why it's so important how we act.

Speaker 1 Humanity created morality as a way to define what is going to happen to you according to how you behave. But the problem with morality was that it was not about other dimensions or about yourself.

Speaker 1 It was about if you don't do according to what the village is saying, you might be left behind or die because no one will protect you.

Speaker 1 So everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group, the hurt.

Speaker 2 And for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them, what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 ask yourself the three questions, which is...

Speaker 2 This is one of the most mind-blowing, life-altering conversations I have ever had, and I'm so excited to share it with you today.

Speaker 2 We're going to be exploring what our true purpose is, why fear is actually a good signal, and all of the deep questions like, why am I here? What happens after we die?

Speaker 2 Join me today with our special guest, Matteus De Stefano, who is a spiritual leader. He's an author.
He's a featured expert on Gaia TV and a well-sought after guest on many different podcasts.

Speaker 2 who's gained a lot of attention through his ability to remember his past lives.

Speaker 2 So we're going to talk about our journey of spiritual awakening, how to tap into higher states of consciousness and trust your own inner knowing and intuition.

Speaker 2 You do not want to miss this powerful and magical episode where we share insights about the true nature of the universe. It is profound.
Buckle up. I hope you enjoy it fully.

Speaker 2 Matthias, I'm so happy that you're here. Thank you for being here.
Thank you for just your time and your energy.

Speaker 2 And just before we dive in, because I know this is going to be such a beautiful conversation, will you give us a little bit of a context to your spiritual gifts, some of your upbringing, and how that's kind of shaped your life perspective now for people that may not know of you?

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 1 Thank you for inviting me. Yeah.
And,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 I kind of can

Speaker 1 name myself as a rememberer

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 everything that defined what I did was to remember since I was a child.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I was able to not only remember past lives, but also what happens in between and in other dimensions.

Speaker 1 And because I had no religious in my context, it was all agnostic, my family. So for me, it was all like,

Speaker 1 for them, was all like, he has a lot of imagination and creativity.

Speaker 1 So they encouraged that instead of saying, don't speak about these things.

Speaker 1 And that helped me to actually be more confident in what was happening to me

Speaker 1 because it was not like religious or or something that you shouldn't speak about

Speaker 1 but it was also not spiritual so I didn't grow I didn't grow in a spiritual context yeah so for me it was all about

Speaker 1 science studying what

Speaker 1 what is plants dinosaurs or these kind of things and the beings that I used to see when I was a child they explained me about nature they explain me about how we

Speaker 1 we humans are just an expression of the spirit of the spiritual realm without saying spiritual spiritual words yeah

Speaker 1 it was all about the essence of the plants the essence of nature so for me was

Speaker 1 I started to learn what spirituality was when I was 17, actually, when I started to ask for help, trying to understand what was happening to me.

Speaker 1 And I wanted to study education to help other kids that were going through the same, not understanding what is this reality.

Speaker 1 But then when I was 20, I think I understood that the people that were more

Speaker 1 lost were the adults.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they invited me to Congress of Education, and suddenly I spoke in one of them and

Speaker 1 that's how people started to record me, to put some videos in YouTube

Speaker 1 and all in Spanish of course in that time because I'm from Argentina.

Speaker 1 And then it went viral. And I started to do things around the world and

Speaker 1 trying to teach people about how the planet works, how the universe works and everything. So

Speaker 2 yeah. I love that your family was so encouraging and that that they just thought it was your imagination and that you had a blank slate so that it was really nurtured and not

Speaker 2 hindered in any way and that you didn't have some of these religious or spiritual backgrounds. It was just your experience.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's really beautiful. Yeah, I had to learn all the spiritual things when I was 18, 19.
Yeah. Like what were the words and everything.

Speaker 1 So I used to name the things that I remember in other languages that I could remember.

Speaker 1 And when I explained what it was,

Speaker 1 when I explained what it was,

Speaker 1 people said, oh, we call this like that.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's how I was learning.

Speaker 1 As I was explaining, I was learning.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, we call this reincarnation or we call this

Speaker 2 better that way. Yeah, more trustworthy.

Speaker 2 I know a lot of people struggle with purpose or feeling like, why am I here?

Speaker 2 What would you say to people that are kind of grappling with those questions? I'm curious your perspective.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a long topic about purpose because usually we want to find our purpose as if it is

Speaker 1 a must,

Speaker 1 but actually,

Speaker 1 the purpose is gonna happen anyway, it doesn't matter what we do. The thing is that

Speaker 1 it can be done in a bad way, unconsciously, suffering if we are not aware of it.

Speaker 1 So, it's not that we are not gonna do our purpose if we don't know it,

Speaker 1 but it will help knowing a little bit.

Speaker 1 And actually

Speaker 1 one of the ways in which we can understand what a purpose is, is to understand the etymology of the word. I love to go back to the meaning of the words, to know the power of them.

Speaker 1 So purpose is when you say something that is put in front.

Speaker 1 So it means that you put it before.

Speaker 1 It's like saying, I want to do this, so I will throw it in front of me so I can see it.

Speaker 1 okay so a purpose is not something that someone told you to do it's something that you decided to do according to who you are today

Speaker 1 which means that by understanding yourself in your design which you can use any tool around like astrology psychology anything that can help you to understand who you really are

Speaker 1 psychologically speaking Yeah, psychological speaking,

Speaker 1 astrological speaking, you don't have to go like in a very deep thing.

Speaker 1 But just to understand the design that you are here today.

Speaker 2 I like the Enneagram as one framework to understand the psyche.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that gives you the

Speaker 1 basis to understand what is your purpose.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 because your purpose can only be accomplished according to what you are.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 in order to be done, you have to transform or use correctly what you are. But if you don't know yourself,

Speaker 1 the purpose will be done in your level of consciousness. Okay.
That's why usually people suffer.

Speaker 2 Because of levels of consciousness. Exactly.
Yeah. So it's not what you're doing, it's the consciousness from where you're doing it from.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's also the word destiny.

Speaker 1 What is going to happen depends on not where you go, but from where you are coming from.

Speaker 1 That's the word destiny is to move from one spot destare which is I'm here and I move from here okay so destiny is not what is ahead is where am I here where am I now so I have to move so that's why to understand yourself

Speaker 1 can show you where to go

Speaker 1 and that's why it's so important also to to understand why the universe doesn't show you the purpose when you are born.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're diving into all the things I want to ask you about. So

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm curious, like this blank slate, not remembering anything.

Speaker 2 I know obviously that's intentionally designed. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 Well, imagine if you have five years old and someone tells you you are meant to be the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Terrible.

Speaker 1 It's anxious. You will try to study politics and maybe you

Speaker 1 are not going to do it right because you are doing

Speaker 1 things

Speaker 1 before

Speaker 1 you have accomplished the purpose of something that you had to do before, which is the preparation.

Speaker 1 A lot of people have to learn things, study things, go through different processes to gain tools before they do something.

Speaker 1 And that purpose, that process, sorry, is more important than the purpose.

Speaker 2 Than the thing itself. Exactly.
Who you become in the process.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So that's why if everyone is born knowing exactly what they have to do,

Speaker 1 the process,

Speaker 1 it's terrible. Yeah.

Speaker 2 A lot of anxiety.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
Because you're all the time saying, oh my gosh,

Speaker 1 I don't know how to do it.

Speaker 2 I can't public speak. I'm not ready to present or whatever the thing.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 in the other hand, when you don't know your purpose, you just do.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Follow the next step.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 But you have two ways to do that. Okay.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 unconscious way or the conscious way. So the unconscious way is like, I don't know why I'm doing

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you just do and you are lost or you just repeat the systems of others

Speaker 1 or consciously, which is I'm going to do this because I know this will help me to do something else.

Speaker 1 So you

Speaker 1 instead of just do, you discover.

Speaker 1 You know that you are, oh,

Speaker 1 this is crazy, what is happening now? So let's see what it where does it take me?

Speaker 2 Uh-huh. Living in the adventure of the living adventure, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 That's more consciously.

Speaker 2 I can hear somebody saying, How do I know if I'm on purpose if I'm doing it consciously?

Speaker 1 Everything is aligned, and you are always on time, you know, the right person,

Speaker 1 and and usually things

Speaker 1 are more

Speaker 1 easy and happy. Okay, like

Speaker 1 you can tell because things go smooth. Okay.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, it's easier. Everything is easier.

Speaker 2 More synchronicities.

Speaker 2 So for people that are...

Speaker 1 You can see the synchronicities.

Speaker 2 And for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them, what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 ask yourself the three questions, which is

Speaker 1 if what you think,

Speaker 1 when you feel, and what you do, they correlate to one another.

Speaker 2 Okay, so living in alignment with thoughts, feelings, and actions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, like, integrity. What do I think is related to what I feel, and what I feel is what I do, because usually we don't do that.

Speaker 1 Usually, we do because someone else asks us to do it, but maybe our emotion is like, I don't want to do it, but we do it anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so, in order order to live in harmony, coherently, and in synchronicity, you have to sync those three.

Speaker 1 That's the first holy trinity you have to sync.

Speaker 1 So, the rest is a reflection of that.

Speaker 1 And, of course, for people, when they say, yeah, maybe it's easier for you because you would do that and you do this, but I have to work eight hours a day and I have to do this.

Speaker 1 And actually, I have this easier life because I do that. I live coherently with those three things and we can all do that.

Speaker 1 It's just that we are trapped in the idea that, yeah, but some, I have to work. No, I do work too.
It's just that I'm happy doing what I do. So

Speaker 1 you cannot tell when I'm working or not.

Speaker 1 So because I'm just being myself.

Speaker 2 You're being in integrity with your truth. You're living in that alignment.

Speaker 1 It's difficult. You have to.
You have to be tested every week.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's not like, oh yeah, I'm done. No, no.

Speaker 2 That's part of the purpose, purpose, right?

Speaker 1 To stay walking the line, yeah,

Speaker 1 constantly, yeah, yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2 And so bringing in, so I really hear that purpose is being, you can feel this sense that you're living in harmony with yourself, with your words, thoughts, and actions. That's a good reflection.

Speaker 2 And for people, I know that people ask about free will and destiny. How do you hold, how do you hold that?

Speaker 1 Well, free will is very difficult. Actually, I think that the only people that has free will in this planet, nobody knows them.

Speaker 1 Maybe they are in a cave or something or in the middle of the forest and no one knows who they are.

Speaker 1 Free will,

Speaker 1 it's a thing that you can only have from the fifth dimension beyond. But in the third dimension, you are the result.
You are a consequence of your decisions. So your free will

Speaker 1 have created this reality.

Speaker 2 Give people a reference point for dimensions, like third dimension, fifth dimension, for those that don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So dimension is basically a measurement of something.

Speaker 1 So it's a perspective of one reality.

Speaker 1 Usually we believe that dimensions are levels where you have to go or to claim or to, I don't know,

Speaker 1 achieve. But it's not like that.
A dimension is like, for example, one dimension of myself is high, the other one is wide, the other one is depth.

Speaker 1 Those are three dimensions.

Speaker 1 Then you have the dimension of time, which is eternity. That in the third dimension we eternity interpretate in past, present, and future.
We divide it in three

Speaker 1 again because we are in the third dimension. So we can only interpret things in packages of three because we are in the third dimension.

Speaker 1 But in the fifth dimension, you have another understanding. There's not only three options of movement, there's also within and without

Speaker 1 through eternity which is the fourth dimension. So it's only one thing that is being perceived in different ways.

Speaker 1 And we,

Speaker 1 in this reality, we haven't evolved for that because we have the two eyes in front.

Speaker 1 So we evolved to do this,

Speaker 1 to have two options.

Speaker 1 And in the fifth dimension, you can see the whole. So that's why we tend to say in the fifth dimension is heaven where the angels are, the masters are guiding us and these things because they can see

Speaker 1 but they can't do.

Speaker 1 We can't do

Speaker 1 they can see so we cannot see but we can do yeah so it's a team yeah it's like a like different points of view of one thing so

Speaker 1 when we talk about the fifth dimension the observer which is the fifth dimension is able to decide what to see and mold the third dimension through time

Speaker 1 So it's a whole process of evolution until we exist.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if you have heard this concept of the quantum

Speaker 1 field that we define reality according to observation,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 it's not our eyes, it's the fifth dimension, which is a whole aspect of vision that can see everything.

Speaker 1 And because it can see everything, Through time, it can mold reality.

Speaker 1 So in the third dimension, you are the result of that observation.

Speaker 2 Like the physical world is a result, is a reflection of the quantum field.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So that means that you don't have free will.

Speaker 1 It means that you have will

Speaker 1 that you can do, that you can transform, but you are a consequence of billions of years of processes, of being observed.

Speaker 1 So what you can do with it is to decide your destiny, which is, I exist like this I am the result of this I don't have free will but I can decide

Speaker 1 with what I am which direction I will move through okay

Speaker 1 so you can decide kind of your destiny

Speaker 1 but your destiny is defined according to what you are today so it's like a paradox

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 you are free to choose

Speaker 1 but you already exist, which means that you are not free

Speaker 1 from

Speaker 1 what you are.

Speaker 1 So you have to deal with what you are, know exactly what you are, in order to decide freely what to do. That's why the most important thing is to know who you are.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because when you know exactly who you are, you start to free yourself from all those visions because you start to observe yourself. Right.

Speaker 2 And I want to check in with you. So it's...

Speaker 1 It's a very long topic.

Speaker 2 Well, no, it's so deep. And you're the one that we get to explore this with.
Like, you'll go there. And so one dimension or one level of consciousness is to say that I don't have free will.

Speaker 2 And then we, then, and I thought we were going to go to this depth later in the conversation, but I think we're going to it now. Okay.

Speaker 2 Where that's one level of consciousness where there is separation. and that there is time.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Versus I would imagine that this kind of is where it aligns, where on a higher dimension or a higher level of consciousness, there is no separation, there is no time, there's no observer,

Speaker 2 it's observing, and it's all part of the one.

Speaker 2 And so from that reality, then there's no past life or it's just

Speaker 1 right. It is.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So for

Speaker 2 people

Speaker 2 that think that they are a separate body-mind, then they have no free will. They have will.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then when you awaken spiritually beyond identification with the thoughts, the body, the mind, then there's a realization that you are all of it. And then there's, yeah, it's

Speaker 2 the ground of being.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But to get there, you have to

Speaker 1 forget about yourself.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Because yourself, which is commonly called ego,

Speaker 1 is the one that holds you in this reality.

Speaker 1 It's the one that helps you to survive. So in order to see everything and be free,

Speaker 1 you should

Speaker 1 forget that you exist.

Speaker 1 So which is the most terrible existential crisis that everyone has to go through when they are trying to become the real self

Speaker 1 which is like destroying yourself in every layer.

Speaker 2 Nothing and everything. Exactly.
My path has always been questioning who I am. It's like, oh, I am a girl.
I am this body.

Speaker 2 And then at one point it was questioning awareness, that I am awareness, because there was a subtle identity in, you know, duality of like awareness and everything else.

Speaker 2 And so the path of real deeply listening and questioning who we think we are is...

Speaker 2 what unfolds the conditioned mind into the unconditioned, which is always here, always alive, whether we recognize it or not so that's really spiritual awakening yeah and that's why the the the most ancient traditions they they used to

Speaker 1 they used to live very close to death like death was a very important part of every day it was not something like oh you live and then you die yeah no you die every day yeah and you have to learn how to die

Speaker 1 because that's how you

Speaker 1 set yourself free from the conditionings of who you are

Speaker 1 And it's a tough process. And of course,

Speaker 1 for the cultures that are craving for life, for eternal life, and they don't want to leave behind what you are or the family or whatever you have built,

Speaker 1 it's very difficult.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 culture has mixed this

Speaker 1 idea of that with ego. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Saying, oh, don't don't be egoistic, but that's not the point. Yes.
It's not about releasing everything and not to be egoistic or egocentric.

Speaker 2 It's like, I'm not ego.

Speaker 2 It's like, I am not. There's more ego in that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when you say, I am not,

Speaker 1 it's basically you are. Yeah, it's still ego.

Speaker 2 It's subtle.

Speaker 1 It's tricky. So

Speaker 1 we have been trying to kill the ego.

Speaker 1 all the time when the ego is is basically the one that helps you to exist.

Speaker 1 So it's not about to kill the ego, it's about to understand what the ego is,

Speaker 1 which is beyond you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think that's one of the biggest mistakes that usually people do when they are trying to

Speaker 1 be spiritual.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think there's a misunderstanding that the ego is bad. Yeah.
And that which judges the ego is the ego. And I think of it like a little kid.

Speaker 2 It's just, and it's helpful to have a a psycho, like a personality and to move through the world to physically keep this body alive and yet integrating it and waking up to grad school, like evolving from kindergarten, you know, it's just part of the process.

Speaker 2 And so we went deep right in, which I love, because that's, I feel like the most valuable part of the conversation we can have.

Speaker 2 And I don't know how many people are sincerely interested in that because it does hit you up against an existential death. There's a grip in the gut from the ego that wants to maintain.

Speaker 2 And anything we resist is going to expand in our experience.

Speaker 2 So really bringing compassion and curiosity into that, I think, chips away at some of the holding, but without an agenda, because what we are is always, always here, with or without our conscious recognition of it.

Speaker 1 And the concept also, when people say free, in English language,

Speaker 1 the connotation of the word is, I have to set myself free from something.

Speaker 1 I have to escape from something. There is something that is hunting me.
There is something against that I have to escape from this.

Speaker 1 And the word free, free, comes from a Nordic word, which is freje,

Speaker 1 which comes, which means

Speaker 1 brotherhood.

Speaker 1 But also freje means love.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 actually you are free when you love.

Speaker 1 And it's not the love of I love someone else.

Speaker 1 It's the love of I accept everything.

Speaker 1 So you are only free when you don't escape.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 When you stop trying to find freedom and you become everything.

Speaker 1 So that's why usually we don't have free will. Because we tend to believe that freedom is when you move ahead, trying to get away from something.

Speaker 2 Get away from something.

Speaker 2 My spiritual teacher, Adiya Shanti, talks about freedom to versus freedom from, which is essentially what you're speech. Freedom to is real freedom, not escapism.

Speaker 2 I have to move away and get rid of these things, but yes, to my full human experience, find freedom in all of it. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 And so this is, that's the deepest conversation. And I know that people,

Speaker 2 some are interested in that.

Speaker 2 And for people that are more so in the third dimension and scared of death, I would love just to explore and hear your experience or perspective of what happens when we die. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, of course

Speaker 1 death is part of

Speaker 1 the wave of the universe. It's not like an end, it's like an ocean.
So it's

Speaker 1 life, death, life, death. So it's like constant wave in which you are constantly in, you...

Speaker 1 it never ends.

Speaker 1 It's just sometimes there are storms in the ocean, sometimes it's flat.

Speaker 1 But the waves are always there.

Speaker 1 So death

Speaker 1 is like, in terms of binary, is like 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, right in the whole existence.

Speaker 1 So without death, there's no meaning to the one. Without the void, there's no meaning to the everything.
So the reason why we die is in order to finish processes, to give meaning to the process.

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 and we usually are afraid of death because we

Speaker 1 we try we tend not to complete the processes so we have to repeat them

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 not knowing what is going to happen after

Speaker 1 because we forget

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 the desperation of not knowing

Speaker 1 that's the most scary thing. But what happens when you die? It's actually a consequence of the movement of your life.

Speaker 1 So it's not about

Speaker 1 going to heaven or hell. It's about going to your own heaven or your own hell.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 because in the fourth dimension, when you leave the third dimension, the fourth dimension... dimension just expands what you have created in the third one.

Speaker 1 So according to how you lived...

Speaker 2 You you said the fourth dimension expands what you've created in the third, which comes back to then purpose is more about the consciousness in which you're doing things more than what you're doing.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Because then, if it will be expanded, you can be in total bliss making the bed.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like there's a lot of people that are doing a lot of good in the planet, but they live horribly.

Speaker 1 Like within, they are sad, or it doesn't matter how good you do,

Speaker 1 if you are not coherent within, that's where you are going to expand. So it's not about doing an effort to be accepted as a good person.
It's about how do you feel within?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 2 the spiritual context makes so much sense to me because it doesn't, it never felt fair or right in my younger self trying to understand that like people don't get equal opportunity.

Speaker 2 Like these, you know, and so I've heard different analogies of like, this is earth school. We grow and evolve at this human experience.

Speaker 2 But what you're speaking of, also the coherence that feels right for me in my system because then it's about

Speaker 1 waking up to the love that I am to the love that is and okay yeah yeah and and if you don't if you're not coherent with what you are supposed to do

Speaker 1 you are gonna create constant realities of trying to repair that

Speaker 1 So that's why whatever happens after is going to be according to that existence.

Speaker 2 So for the person that's like recreating a pattern in their life and they see it,

Speaker 2 one of the things I'm hearing you say is to look at what's their coherence with their thoughts, their words, and their actions and to get into alignment so that they can get back into synchronicity and purpose.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, it's a constant questioning.

Speaker 1 The question is the one that created us, like created everything. Like, who could I be?

Speaker 1 What is my thought? What do I feel?

Speaker 1 What should I do? Like all these questions are the ones that shape who you are. So when you question yourself constantly, you transform yourself constantly.
And if you do that every day,

Speaker 1 so you shape yourself every day in a better option.

Speaker 1 And sometimes that better option is not accepted by the morality of a culture. Yeah, it's just your option.

Speaker 1 So you have to go through that until you understand if that was right or not for yourself.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that's why we usually project to other dimensions. That's why it's so important how we act.

Speaker 1 Humanity created morality as a way to define

Speaker 1 what is going to happen to you according to how you behave. But the problem with morality was that it was not about other dimensions or about yourself.

Speaker 1 It was about if you don't do according to what the village is saying, you might be left behind or die

Speaker 1 because no one will protect you. So everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group.
Yes. The herd.

Speaker 2 For safety.

Speaker 1 For safety. For survival.
Exactly. Not for transcendence.

Speaker 1 So when you start to think in terms of

Speaker 1 transcendence into another reality, because when you die, there's no herd.

Speaker 1 There's no family.

Speaker 1 it's just you. So whatever you're going to project in the next one is about yourself, not about the others.

Speaker 1 And if you project related to the others, what happens is that you will constantly find lives that are kind of similar with the same kind of people

Speaker 1 repeating the same patterns.

Speaker 1 And that can happen every day with every relationship. So imagine that in thousands of years.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
So then I get, you know, and I'll just share.

Speaker 2 I was raised Catholic, and I remember a voice coming in when I was about six years old. I came in very clear.
I had a deep knowing. I remember I have two older brothers.

Speaker 2 When I was about nine, I remember looking in the mirror and being laughing. I'm like, because my brother's friends started liking me at that age.

Speaker 2 And I remember being like, oh, this is who they think I am, and just laughing.

Speaker 2 And having a deep connection and knowing.

Speaker 2 And I think some of that got conditioned away from me

Speaker 2 conforming and safety and wanting to fit in and also, you know, some authoritarian parenting.

Speaker 2 And so part of what I hear you saying is like really having your own spiritual authority, like building trust in a deep knowing within yourself. And

Speaker 2 I have so many different ways that I want to weave in this conversation, but what would you say to people who can feel that they're up against something like being accepted by a community, but knowing, how do they really deepen in the knowing of their truth to follow even when it's in the face in the midst of a perceived threat?

Speaker 1 Well, that example that you just said

Speaker 1 of, oh, this is what they think

Speaker 1 I am,

Speaker 1 you have two options there, or three options. One is believing that that is you.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which is what commonly we do all do.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, I accept that I am what the others expect from me to think I am. That's the normal thing.

Speaker 1 The other option is fight against it. Like, that's not me.

Speaker 1 So, I have to get rid of myself. I have to change everything.

Speaker 2 Self-improvement could fall under that, trying to change myself.

Speaker 1 Exactly, yeah.

Speaker 1 But also, you can go very far away from your real purpose

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 your purpose, remember, is according to the design that you are.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 by escaping that design, you are creating another option, another version, but will bring you more problems because

Speaker 1 you are hiding the real truth,

Speaker 1 the real design that you had.

Speaker 1 So the third option is acknowledging that that design is a tool. It's not you.
And you can use that tool with awareness when it's it's needed.

Speaker 1 Which is,

Speaker 1 for people, usually it's

Speaker 1 something that I don't know how to pronounce in English.

Speaker 1 Which is

Speaker 1 hypocrisy.

Speaker 2 Hypocrisy? Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're a hypocrite? Yeah, hypocrite. Perfect.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 because it's like,

Speaker 1 oh. you are faking that you are someone that you are not.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what we all do.

Speaker 2 Literally, that's interesting interesting because that moment I felt like I didn't understand adults and I wanted to feel like I was connecting and understanding, but I didn't understand the kids my age, the adults.

Speaker 2 And so I chose in. I remember being like, I want to choose in and understand this human experience at nine and chose in and lots of trauma came from after making that choice.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that was really a redirect to come back into living a very spiritually oriented life, to question who am I.

Speaker 1 For me, looking looking at the moon is my clarity and so what I also I'm hearing you say is that life will give you feedback when you're in alignment when you're out of alignment constantly and not bad not punishment but just as a guiding system yeah exactly yeah that what we perceive as punishment is actually something that is out of tune yeah it's like you are an instrument so in order to play yourself yeah your own instrument you have to be tuned otherwise dang it would be like an annoying thing uh that, of course, people around will say,

Speaker 1 like, doesn't sound good.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 by resonance,

Speaker 1 if you are not tuned in your own instrument, whatever happens outside will be according to that resonance.

Speaker 1 So that's why you... The situations that you live around are not talking about what is happening around, it's about what you are resounding.

Speaker 1 what is your instrument resounding with

Speaker 1 and that's why it's a constant practice of of tuning like yeah as you see every the musicians they know music but every time that they are gonna

Speaker 1 play the guitar they have to tune it yeah for every song they do it every time why because the vibrations that are around change the tuning even if you're not playing it

Speaker 1 meaning that if you don't do anything the resonance from the outside

Speaker 1 will

Speaker 1 take you out of tune give you feedback yeah exactly so you have to constantly work in yourself in order to tune for every action and

Speaker 1 related to what we were talking

Speaker 1 the hypocrisy is for example switching the tune of your instrument to play one kind of music or the other

Speaker 1 and it's not because you know how to play different types of music, you're a hypocrite, you're just an artist.

Speaker 1 So sometimes you need to be someone for some people. You need to be someone for someone, for some others.
But when you use that consciously, you start to use

Speaker 1 the personality as the tool.

Speaker 1 And suddenly the personality doesn't define who you are.

Speaker 1 You are just using it. It's like saying today I decided to dress blue.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just because I think that is needed for what I'm going to do. But today, but tomorrow you will change your clothes.

Speaker 1 So the same thing with the personality because it's not who you are. It's what you need it in order to do what you are supposed to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm just remembering because there was something I forgot to share with that voice that was teaching me when I was a kid would put it in very simple six grade or yeah, six year old language was like, and I was Catholic, and so I had no reference point of anything other than that.

Speaker 2 But it would say that the body is like a rent-a-car where you go to different cars over time. And so,

Speaker 2 and I was later when I started getting into

Speaker 2 meditation retreats, I'm like, oh, that's called reincarnation, you know, and like, oh, that was just very, and so whether you know people believe in that or not, like, there's it, that for me makes so much sense.

Speaker 2 And it's all back to like what actually supports,

Speaker 2 you know, what supports my own evolution now.

Speaker 2 But the tuning that you were speaking of, I don't want to make an assumption.

Speaker 2 Is that still living in coherence? Or are there spiritual practices that you're saying to not get so identified? or not identifying with the ego essentially?

Speaker 2 Would there be spiritual practices, psychological practices, or just living in alignment? Is that what you mean by tuning?

Speaker 1 So basically to try to live constantly in alignment. It's like your spirit, your true self, is the artist, the musician.
The instrument is your personality and your body.

Speaker 1 And so you have to tune your thoughts,

Speaker 1 your feelings, and your body, your actions in order for the music to sound.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, if you are not connected correctly with the true self,

Speaker 1 you don't know how to play your song.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's why the path of coherence is always tuning yourself, always tuning your life in between thoughts, emotions, and actions.

Speaker 2 This is making me so happy because I used to be a licensed psychotherapist and I started a coaching institute that has an integrative methodology.

Speaker 2 And what we do is helping people with their thoughts, emotions,

Speaker 2 their actions, their unconscious programming. So it's like all very much in alignment with what you're sharing.

Speaker 2 And I can hear, yeah, anytime just for people just to land this, if you're feeling like you're unconsciously recreating a pattern really do some of that tuning to live in alignment with your truth even if it goes against society's beliefs that's why it's the questioning yourself is is essential yeah who I think I am who who all the questions and doubt

Speaker 1 mainly

Speaker 1 to doubt about everything as a way to discover everything.

Speaker 1 So like living with a question mark, being in in curiosity discovery constantly yeah yeah because otherwise you transform um a feeling or an emotion in faith and when you

Speaker 1 when you have faith you stop questioning

Speaker 1 so you stop uh

Speaker 1 perfectioning yourself in the possibility of you becoming god

Speaker 1 and you allow the universe to decide what to do because you have faith.

Speaker 1 So that's why you have to always doubt.

Speaker 2 Always question. Always question.

Speaker 1 Question a little bit more. Yeah.
Yeah, like, hmm, is this the right path?

Speaker 1 Is this really me? Is this what I want to do?

Speaker 1 All the time. And then existentially, like,

Speaker 1 this is really real.

Speaker 1 Is there a God?

Speaker 1 Or, you know, like, that's good for the divine.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I think people deeply want to feel safe in the world, and I think they deeply want to feel like there's a truck, they can trust life.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for people that are listening, and they're just like, I want to embrace this way of living more.

Speaker 2 Do you have any words of wisdom or story or perspective to support them in letting go and trusting more that it's unfolding for them or like there's nothing really to fear in that way?

Speaker 1 Well, the first question for that is: What is my relationship with mom and dad?

Speaker 1 Because usually we tend to, oh, let's go to the universe, but our cells have been designed because of mom and dad

Speaker 1 and the first meeting, the first encounter, and not only that, because of all the history in our genetics. So, our relationship with mom is the relationship we have with matrix.

Speaker 1 Our relationship with that is the relationship we have with all the patterns.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 that's what defines us towards the cosmos. So when we start to try to connect with everything, the question is

Speaker 1 what is my relationship with mom? What is my relationship with dad?

Speaker 1 And from there, you start to build

Speaker 1 the idea of how to expand your consciousness.

Speaker 1 Because that's what defines who you are now.

Speaker 1 And usually we tend to

Speaker 1 to go beyond, to go outside, to go to another levels of consciousness too fast.

Speaker 2 Like a bypass. Yeah,

Speaker 1 trying to escape into something greater. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's what just to pause because I want to double-click on that. I think a lot of people get into spirituality because they're trying to avoid something.

Speaker 2 Or they think it's like enlightenment would be this golden ticket to opt out of

Speaker 2 the human experience.

Speaker 1 Everyone who enters into spirituality is 100% trying to escape the reality.

Speaker 1 The people who

Speaker 1 are spiritual, they were never looking for spirituality.

Speaker 1 Basically.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 basically

Speaker 1 when we talk about spirituality, usually we relate spirituality or spirit with spirits. Something that is impossible to touch.
Something that is invisible. So if it's invisible, what do I do?

Speaker 1 I project the idea of my mom into Mother Earth. I project the idea of the perfect dad into God

Speaker 1 or the cosmos. So I'm not treating Earth and the universe as they are.
I'm treating them as I would love for my parents to have been with me.

Speaker 2 I was not thinking you were going to go there, but I love it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So that's why humanity usually don't think how plants think about God, for example.

Speaker 1 Like plants have a totally different way to understand what God is.

Speaker 1 But we created this perception of mammals,

Speaker 1 which is completely different. So it's usually,

Speaker 1 of course, we can shape the universe according to who we are,

Speaker 1 but when we are trying to find the answers not as they are, but as we expect for them to be, the first question is, how am I dealing with with that? Totally. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then to not opt out of the human experience, but to actually go into it, to do some psychological healing. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 as within, so without, so that there is a projection, life is a mirror. And so as we do that deeper work, I hear that it would naturally reflect in the...

Speaker 1 But I would say, coming back to the very origin of the word spirit,

Speaker 1 it comes from the Latin word spirare,

Speaker 1 which means to breathe.

Speaker 1 So what is a spiritual being? A spiritual being is the one that knows how to breathe.

Speaker 1 So if you know how to breathe, it's because you are calm in the present.

Speaker 1 You kind of

Speaker 1 think about everything that you are doing to your body with every breath. So taking care of every part of your body.

Speaker 1 So a spiritual being is the one that lives here and now, not the one that wants to go there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, etymologically talking.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and but I love the like groundedness and the rootedness of just here and now and really

Speaker 2 Saying yes to our direct experience as it is. Yeah, that's more of the freedom to freedom from and and in that willingness there's transformation that happens and then deeper integration.

Speaker 2 It's not a bypass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the deeper you go within suddenly there is something that cracks in. And when you go to the very origin of who you actually are, which is beyond the atoms,

Speaker 1 and when you go to the essence of it, suddenly from a deep breath, you are in a galaxy

Speaker 1 and you are feeling an alien and you're feeling

Speaker 1 so suddenly

Speaker 1 it was just because you were doing the work of going to who you are, who I am, who I am, who I am,

Speaker 1 deeper into that question, not going away,

Speaker 1 but going deeper

Speaker 1 to within.

Speaker 1 And the layers that you have to grasp first is the biological ones

Speaker 1 Which have mauled the psychological ones

Speaker 1 so by design by design. Yeah, yeah

Speaker 2 Would you say that because earlier just looping back earlier you said

Speaker 2 we put it in front of us the like the

Speaker 2 purpose

Speaker 2 was the was that I mean I don't we're kind of talking dimensions and things, but are we

Speaker 2 who put that in front? Like what was the observer? The observer. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Observer. With the intention for spiritual evolution or deeper integration?

Speaker 1 By mistake?

Speaker 1 Say more.

Speaker 2 This experiment.

Speaker 1 Well, it's the question.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 the observer is just one eye. observing itself.

Speaker 2 One point of view, one perspective.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Which creates void.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When it's like all the forces together equal zero.

Speaker 1 So imagine everything observing exactly the same point is equal to nothing.

Speaker 1 So basically the void.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 what happened? One of those aspects looked around.

Speaker 1 So it was like

Speaker 1 taking

Speaker 1 a view outside the center. When that tiny point of view observed into a different direction,

Speaker 1 what happened is created duality.

Speaker 1 And duality

Speaker 1 opened the chance for polarity.

Speaker 1 And by polarity, it means observation. So now

Speaker 1 there's no more void. Now there's something else that I can observe outside

Speaker 1 from that void.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 seemingly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so when that tiny thing moved away, it created a wave and that wave made everything to turn toward the outside.

Speaker 1 So instead of observing, it's like if all the colors of the, how do you call it in English? The eye,

Speaker 1 the color part.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the color of your eye.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's like you see all these

Speaker 1 lines going to the center.

Speaker 1 So what do you have? A black hole in the center that captures light. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So imagine now that everything does like this.

Speaker 1 What you have is white around.

Speaker 1 So the everything and the nothing is contained just because of the point of observation.

Speaker 1 So which are all the rays of light.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if they are all observing within, it's void. If they are all observing outside, it's the everything.

Speaker 2 That's why the paradox that I am everything and nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So

Speaker 1 because of that, we started to create different points of view and different perceptions.

Speaker 1 So now, for example, as humans, we have two eyes That reminds us that in order to concentrate something in front, a purpose,

Speaker 1 I need two eyes to balance it. I cannot perceive the third dimension without at least two eyes.

Speaker 1 So I need that in order to see the distance between things.

Speaker 1 So what is a purpose? It's the ability to focalize two points of view. one within, one outside, in a third option.
And that's how a purpose exists.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's why it's a holy trinity.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I really hear, because I'm even thinking about people that are feeling stuck in the third dimension, wanting to evolve, thinking that the fourth or fifth is better.

Speaker 2 That's still more escapism. Yeah.
And so then it's just really

Speaker 2 fully being where it is.

Speaker 1 Fourth dimension is terrible.

Speaker 2 What it would tell me tell me more

Speaker 1 It's terrible because it's eternity So the fourth dimension is all the times.

Speaker 1 Imagine fourth dimension is like instead of taking a trip to the mountains, you take a trip to history.

Speaker 1 So as you walk in the middle of the forest, every tree is actually a past life that are combined and doesn't make any sense. So if you are not properly organized, the fourth dimension is hell.

Speaker 1 So it's basically bringing to you every memory that is aligned to what you are today.

Speaker 1 So if you're suffering in the eternity, you will echo towards you everything that happened to your soul related to suffering through eternity. That's why we can relate it to hell.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Because that's four dimension is not like.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What motivation then now to really clean it up and prioritize having an open, clear mind and heart and living in alignment and the coherence.

Speaker 1 Totally, yeah. So, every dimension can be horrible if we are not aware of how to move through it.

Speaker 1 Um, so when we think that living in the third dimension is a trap and we have to escape from the third dimension to go to heaven or something like that,

Speaker 1 we are kind of becoming Christians again,

Speaker 1 which is a very

Speaker 1 ancient way of thinking

Speaker 1 in terms of morality. And morality means

Speaker 1 an agreement between people that live in one place.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 the moral codes of that community.

Speaker 1 Moral means to

Speaker 1 it's the same word for morade.

Speaker 1 So it's like where someone lives.

Speaker 1 So morality is according to where you live.

Speaker 2 It's subjective.

Speaker 1 It's very subjective.

Speaker 1 So people created an idea of what heaven and hell are according to what for their culture is heaven or hell. And according to how you will behave, you will go to one or the other.

Speaker 1 And this perception of some traditions, because not all of them do the same, but for some traditions that were world spread worldwide,

Speaker 1 the idea of the fourth dimension and the fifth dimension are related to this heaven or hell.

Speaker 1 so we are bounded constantly by this thing of i have to do the right thing i have to or if i do the wrong thing this will happen

Speaker 1 but when you enter another dimension it's completely different unless you create yourself that heaven yeah or that hell and you will leave that yeah

Speaker 1 and you will until living that reality suddenly you will start to doubt it's like is this heaven

Speaker 1 Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 What motivation to really

Speaker 2 take back our own spiritual autonomy and live in alignment with our truth? Then, what is the motivation? No, I mean, that feels like motivation.

Speaker 2 Hearing you say that, I'm like, that gives more permission to just be autonomous and follow your truth, even if others don't get it or align with it yet.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I did hear you talk about that a lot of people have been traumatized by religion and kind of got disconnected from this magical way of living.

Speaker 2 And you know, I I think we might be aligned in the sense of like, I'm very mystical and I I I used to study comparative mysticism, death, death, dying in the afterlife in college.

Speaker 2 I would study all like I love the heart of every religious and spiritual tradition, like the the essence and love of it. But I also know

Speaker 2 religion can be really traumatizing for people and the codes and the rules and the way people have interpreted it. How did you can you elaborate a little bit on

Speaker 2 what your thought process was?

Speaker 1 Well, religion is like personality. It's a tool.

Speaker 1 It's a tool for people that cannot go deeper within themselves because they have to figure out something else.

Speaker 1 So it's easier for a lot of people that needs to accomplish certain purposes that requires concentration in the third dimension to have faith in something that is pre-written and someone tells you what to do yeah because it's easier yeah and there's no problem in the universe with that like it's a law so um

Speaker 1 so it's good if you don't bother anyone else so it's it's fine it's good um

Speaker 1 so I would say that religions are tools um and but it's they're not the way yeah they're tools to find the way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think any good teacher or religion really points back to our own truth. Totally.

Speaker 1 The real religious people, the ones that are spiritual within religious, because most of the people that are in religion, they are not spiritual people.

Speaker 1 They are

Speaker 1 just religious people, which means they follow something that is written, but they don't understand the words.

Speaker 1 But there are few religious people that understand the words, the meaning behind them. And the reason why is because they don't take them as they are written, they question them.

Speaker 2 So they make them their own, they really sit with and contemplate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's why they can trust the words that are written

Speaker 1 in a different way.

Speaker 1 So I think that there are some spiritual people in religions that are wondering and can share wisdom from that.

Speaker 1 The thing is that

Speaker 1 for religions,

Speaker 1 as I said, religion is like

Speaker 1 this is the way that we have the sign to reach something.

Speaker 1 When you start to question the way,

Speaker 1 you start to get trapped in the system, and that's why most of the people suffer from it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the problem basically is that

Speaker 1 when someone suffers in a religion, usually starts to be against the religion. And the religion is not the problem.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually, the problem is the people that are afraid of losing control of other people.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's like, for example, people blame money.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Money is not the problem. Yes.
It's what people believe about the money, what is the problem.

Speaker 2 And money exaggerates what we're holding in our consciousness about it.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So when we blame politics, no, it's just that these people are wrong in their coherence. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When we talk about religions are useless, no, they are not useless. It's just that the people that are in religions are trying to control your life.

Speaker 2 Or they're following a set of rules rather than their truth about it.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 And there are certain teachings, I think, that are supportive. I've heard this in a lot of Zen teachings.
Like, use the boat, the tool, the perspective to cross the river.

Speaker 2 But then when you've crossed the river, let it go. Exactly.
Like, it helped for a certain period of time. Now I'm going to fifth grade.

Speaker 1 Or, yeah. Yeah.
And you don't burn the boat?

Speaker 2 Yes. You don't judge the boat.
It's all good.

Speaker 1 It was terrible because it was too small. Yeah.
And now I know that I can sail the ocean. Yeah, but it was good.
You needed.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so that's why

Speaker 1 you shouldn't escape from it.

Speaker 1 You should try to understand the level of consciousness.

Speaker 1 Because what you said, that boat was built to cross the river, not the ocean.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 So if you're willing to go to the ocean, just thank the boat that helps you to cross the river to go to the shore.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 in that way,

Speaker 1 you are making peace with that.

Speaker 1 And it's not about religion.

Speaker 1 It's not about religion. It's about how people believe or act

Speaker 1 according with the tools that we have around.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's very well said.
Yeah, very empowering.

Speaker 2 And let's talk about money because I think some of these, I just want to, you know, we can get a little bit more grounded where people go pretty unconscious into money.

Speaker 2 How do you, how do you hold money? I think I've heard you say that you're a fan of spending money rather than just saving it. Yeah, but talk to us.

Speaker 1 I'm a good spend.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Talk to us about money and having a really healthy relationship with it or how you perceive it.

Speaker 1 Well, I think that money is another tool.

Speaker 1 Before it was seeds.

Speaker 1 And we use it in the same way.

Speaker 1 People kill for seeds in the past as people is killing today for printed paper that has no value.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we have given value to many things in history, to different objects, to different things. It's about what we appreciate about them,

Speaker 1 but it's a way of

Speaker 1 earning value or exchanging value.

Speaker 1 And that value can be

Speaker 1 an action, or that value can be just

Speaker 1 listening to someone or that value can be food

Speaker 1 but the value is not in the object the value is in what you're doing with it so

Speaker 1 if you

Speaker 1 if you earn a lot of money and keep a lot of money what is the value in your life it's a good question

Speaker 2 yeah It's a story. That would be a story for some people of security and safety versus if you don't cash in on it,

Speaker 2 other than the story of some false security and safety, what is the value? Exactly.

Speaker 1 There's no value on having money in your bank account if you're not living it because it's about exchanging. So that's why I rather spend my money in experiences with people, friends,

Speaker 1 projects than actually having it.

Speaker 1 Because having it,

Speaker 1 it's just trying to tell me that I don't value myself

Speaker 1 that I don't value who I am by not spending it you're saying by not sharing it oh by not sharing it but because it's not about I give you money it's about I give you an experience I share an experience with you

Speaker 1 I I I give value to you for what you are doing

Speaker 1 so I cannot I don't know I cannot cook you so I give you this money so you can have someone to cook for you.

Speaker 1 So we we accomplish in our society a way in which

Speaker 1 I don't know the word in English

Speaker 1 when you do something for the other

Speaker 1 this kind of exchange. Yeah,

Speaker 1 exchange, but not money, exchange like a chicken, a trade.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, like I have two chickens, you have a pig, you know, this kind of things that in the past used to work because we were like, I don't know, a hundred people in the village, and each one was specialized in something, but today

Speaker 2 is very complex. Yeah,

Speaker 1 How can a healer survive just giving you Reiki? It's like, no.

Speaker 1 You have to eat.

Speaker 1 But for someone, that hour of Reiki or that five minutes of Reiki worth $1,000

Speaker 1 because it changed the person's day or life sometimes.

Speaker 1 So the value that you can give to things is according to what you are sharing with the others.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter the shape of it. It can be money, it can be seats, it can be

Speaker 1 listening. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so if people can't spend it or they are not ha they're having a hard time giving or receiving, you know, some of the work that I would do with people is to look at mom and dad or whoever that raised them and what did they learn money was from them originally.

Speaker 2 And then is that actually their truth now? Yeah. To support having more of that flow and that value exchange and that experience.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's important to question what is value for us in our life. What do we value?

Speaker 2 And what's my truth around it?

Speaker 2 Is what I inherited my truth and how I actually want to relate to money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 What about relationships? How do you see relationships from a spiritual perspective?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 there was once

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 a friend asked me,

Speaker 1 I cannot deal with this breakup that I should have.

Speaker 1 And do you how would you describe the way of transcending this and

Speaker 1 I was like

Speaker 1 well in

Speaker 1 when there's a proton and an electron

Speaker 1 like so unromantic

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 basically the reason why everything exists is because of the interaction between positive and negative

Speaker 1 so everything that exists is magnetic so it has two poles is a polarity yeah And it cannot create or exist without polarity. But also there's a truth.

Speaker 1 If you get stuck with this only polarity and you don't exchange or change the electrons around you, you would never create a molecule,

Speaker 1 which means transcend yourself into another existence. You will never transform yourself in another element, so there's no alchemy.

Speaker 1 And we use this word chemistry.

Speaker 1 Is there chemistry between? Of course, it's all about chemistry. It's all about how my molecules combine with your molecules.

Speaker 1 And sometimes, when there is a lot of protons sharing between one another, we call it toxic.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 if it's too much positivity in both sides, there is a toxicity in the environment. So, too many protons in one only place.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 I see relationships as a way to combine and create new elements, new chemistry, new

Speaker 1 transformations and possibilities for experiences.

Speaker 1 But if you keep the same one in the same way and repeat exactly the same pattern constantly, well you become a rock not a human yeah um there's no more liveness yeah there's no more growth and evolution through it exactly and and that's why we need conflict that's why we need um changes that's why when someone grows spiritually and suddenly recognizes who you are, suddenly the first thing that you do is get divorced or separate.

Speaker 2 Look within, start doing the work.

Speaker 1 Exactly, because now you cannot relate with the same person. Yeah.
Because that person was showing you a mirror of polarity that you needed in that moment, but now you change that polarity.

Speaker 1 So you cannot mirror anymore with that person. So I think that when we start to understand that relationships are links to evolve

Speaker 1 and not something to tide or avoid

Speaker 1 or be scared of,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 something that helps us transcend and to be free because

Speaker 1 we are still believing that relationships are like marriages. Like

Speaker 1 it has to work and the only way it can work is if it lasts forever And you live happy ever after.

Speaker 2 Yeah, too much Disney conditions.

Speaker 1 Too much Disney. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that design is something that mainly was born in the Middle East.

Speaker 1 It was a way of surviving. Yes.

Speaker 2 We've actually not been, as a species,

Speaker 2 we've not evolved that far from just being in marriages for survival purposes because it was easier to work together and to survive in that way and have a family.

Speaker 2 And I like what you're saying, and this is very much about what I speak to and teach as well: is like relationships can be a path for and a vehicle for spiritual evolution to see what we've not been able to see within ourselves.

Speaker 2 Yes, to see ourselves. And that contrast, the duality, right?

Speaker 2 And the challenges aren't bad, but they can be used to heal and grow stronger together if you choose, whether you choose to stay with them or not.

Speaker 2 It's still a mirror for a part of you, the part of yourself.

Speaker 2 And I, you know, when I was, I got a master's program in spiritual psychology, and the third year I did optional, which is a health, consciousness, health, and healing.

Speaker 2 And I had a dream that felt more channeled. And I woke up and I drew this beautiful drawing, and it was kind of yin and yang without going in details about it.

Speaker 2 But it was like, you were part of your work is to help people understand that the darkness isn't bad.

Speaker 2 And a lot of darkness that I speak to is more about the void, which is more like the pure potential, the ground of well-being.

Speaker 2 And I know you, I would love to hear hear your thoughts and perspectives on good and bad,

Speaker 2 right and wrong, to help wake people up out of some of the conditioned paradigm of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, related to the relationships, it's like when

Speaker 1 bad things start to happen,

Speaker 1 we

Speaker 1 tend to say it didn't work.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but actually, it worked.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 It gave you feedback. Exactly.
Yeah. Because

Speaker 1 a relationship that doesn't work

Speaker 1 is actually showing you more growth

Speaker 1 than one that actually works.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 when a relationship works, it's because

Speaker 1 you are balanced. So you are in a moment of stability of your life.
But when you are transforming yourself, it doesn't work

Speaker 1 because you need to move to keep on going.

Speaker 1 So that perspective of, oh, it was a bad relationship. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, actually, it helps you a lot. The problem is that we try to go back to the same thing to try to fix it.

Speaker 1 Like, oh,

Speaker 1 it didn't work last time. So let's try it again.
Let's try it again. And we are fixers by mind because our brain is designed to fix problems.

Speaker 1 Fix problems, totally. Yeah.
Fix problems all the time.

Speaker 1 So we are trying to fix the other person.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, it didn't work.

Speaker 2 So maybe I if I fix him if I fix her or if I change myself then I can make it work exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's not exactly how it works like of course you have to transform yourself but not because it has to work for the other person, yeah, but because there's something that it doesn't resound with you.

Speaker 1 So oh, I have to tune myself

Speaker 1 in something different and

Speaker 1 this connects with the good or bad because

Speaker 1 nothing in the universe is actually good or bad. In the universe is

Speaker 1 trying,

Speaker 1 it's a test.

Speaker 2 It's like a laboratory. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay, I have to try this. Oh, didn't work.
Like, oh, this doesn't tune right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 this doesn't sound properly. But for example, let's say

Speaker 1 talking about music, for someone that... plays all the day, I don't know, crystal balls and meditate and sings mantras.

Speaker 1 Well, heavy metal is not you know like the right thing like oh no that's bad but for heavy metal people it's like opera yeah

Speaker 1 so so what is good or what is bad what is out of tune and what is in tune because some some of the heavy metal singers know more about how to hold a frequency than someone that is singing mantras.

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally. So what is to be in tune? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So when you pay attention to that,

Speaker 1 you start to understand that

Speaker 1 the universe has also this test of what is out of tune, what is in tune. And darkness is actually the creator of reality.
So all the beauty that we see was designed by something.

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 made light be trapped in a system.

Speaker 1 because basically we are light but moving slower because darkness so darkness helped us exist darkness allowed this beauty to exist darkness is the one that cut

Speaker 1 the light of the divine and created a rainbow

Speaker 1 like cut it in pieces like you can you can think about it as a war cutting you know like an angel in pieces but suddenly you have a rainbow yeah and beauty and beauty yeah and all the possibilities so

Speaker 1 when you think in those terms suddenly darkness is actually a creator and when you try to

Speaker 1 put it all together and to make white light again darkness will say hey what are you doing

Speaker 1 like if the colors were beautiful like it's like it's like going to an artist's house and try to clean it all and put away all the colors and saying it's good if everything is white. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, because it's clean. Yeah.
And the artist will say, like, what are you talking about? Like, I need to make a mess.

Speaker 1 I need to throw something. I need to

Speaker 1 ruin my brushes, you know,

Speaker 1 to figure out things that I have never seen before.

Speaker 1 So darkness is kind of that.

Speaker 1 It's not against light because

Speaker 1 there's a war between light and darkness. It's against light because

Speaker 1 it's trying to divide light to produce more options

Speaker 1 and light is trying to always reminding darkness to find the harmony in all those options

Speaker 1 so we could be a team let's say like

Speaker 1 light is the parents that are telling the children

Speaker 1 you can do a mess but then you have to pick everything up and you have to put order in your room Like, it's okay if you play, but then organize everything.

Speaker 2 There's a space for all of it.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah.
But sometimes are the children that say that to the parents. Uh-huh.
So.

Speaker 2 Yes. Coming back to accepting all of it.
Exactly. And I love what you're saying, because, right, the mind is what constructs and divides good and bad, you know, right and wrong.

Speaker 2 And yet, from different points of view, it's all, it just is.

Speaker 2 And so, but I love that you keep talking about this being curious, being honest with your own attunement, and essentially saying yes to all of it. I think that's such a beautiful way to live.

Speaker 2 And as we, and what I'm hearing is as we come into living in coherence and harmony here and now, that supports more of that consciousness to live into in whatever other dimensions.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 of course,

Speaker 1 when someone that never did the inner work of this darkness and light within

Speaker 1 listens to this, one of the main reactions that people have is like, oh, then I have to accept that there are pedophiles

Speaker 1 or

Speaker 1 killing or a war.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that's where I want to go. Good, good.
I think that's a good point.

Speaker 1 Because it's not about, oh,

Speaker 1 I have to accept it and do nothing.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Because when you work for the consciousness and the light, what is your job? To bring harmony?

Speaker 1 And what is harmony? For everyone to be in harmony, coherently and happy.

Speaker 1 Kind of happy. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's say, in plenitude.

Speaker 1 So when there is in the process of trying to discover a new way, there is people that is unhappy, out of tune, disorganized.

Speaker 1 So there comes the action of the people that wants to help them to find the harmony again.

Speaker 2 Their tunement.

Speaker 1 Exactly. But, and that's when we have to take actions.
That's why we are doing all this. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 We are doing all this to try to avoid this kind of situations, try to heal these kind of situations. But if we are against these kind of situations, we are never healing them.

Speaker 2 I think a lot of people think acceptance means complacency. Yeah.
And acceptance is an internal, okay, this is what is. And if I argue with that, it doesn't change the past.
No.

Speaker 2 So internally saying, yes, this is what it is, and externally taking action to support their attunement and healing. healing rather than, and you know, there's choices and consequences in this life.

Speaker 2 We, you know, put people in jail if they're breaking the rules, or, but it's a lot of people that are traumatized continuing that. And so, how do we not add to that?

Speaker 2 How do we come into harmony within ourselves and be a space to support more of that harmonization on a global level?

Speaker 1 Of course,

Speaker 1 that's the thing. It's okay.

Speaker 1 If I stay at home complaining about, oh, there's darkness outside,

Speaker 1 and I I don't go outside to bring harmony,

Speaker 1 and I go outside to fight against it.

Speaker 1 So, what I'm doing is basically giving power to the opposite.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I make the war bigger. That's right.

Speaker 2 And I think the most important work we can do is within our own consciousness first.

Speaker 2 And as we live in coherence and clarity within ourselves, that becomes a natural expression for how we live in the world. No separation.

Speaker 1 Every person that is doing something

Speaker 1 wrong

Speaker 1 or out of tune, which means they're making other people's lives out of tune,

Speaker 1 is because actually it's a child that was not able to have an environment that taught them how to be in tune.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 every time that you see a person that is doing

Speaker 1 problems or that is doing the evil in the world

Speaker 1 the acceptance thing is to try to think how

Speaker 1 was their life when they were six, five years old. That's right.

Speaker 1 So think about every children that

Speaker 1 are living in a situation that

Speaker 1 for us today is like, oh, this child is suffering. Compassion.
But maybe in 20 years, that child will be a

Speaker 1 terrible person because of what happened when he's five.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 all all the people that we think, oh, they're terrible people,

Speaker 1 they actually might have had a very terrible childhood.

Speaker 2 Oftentimes, they did. And when working as a therapist, the more I would hear somebody's story, the more I understood how they became the way that they are.

Speaker 2 Again, I can have acceptance and compassion, but it doesn't mean I would condone a behavior.

Speaker 2 And so, I think people think I need to be in resistance and put somebody to jail or take action, but it's like you can actually find harmony and peace inside of you.

Speaker 2 There's a place for the anger, There is a place for our human experience to process that and then come into balance if we choose to so that we, anything we're giving out, we're actually experiencing.

Speaker 2 And then we can still take action and kind of, I think, shift the paradigms to shift that pattern. You know, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 I've done an Akashic record reading with somebody and the more I do that work, I'm like, I don't know, maybe I was that, I have that same pattern in this life that I've played out unconsciously or in another life.

Speaker 2 And who am I to judge? But I do know that my life is to

Speaker 2 use everything for my growth and to come into peace. But I don't know what their spiritual curriculum is, and it's not my place to know.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 But if I'm in judgment, I'm actually repeating the very thing that I'm judging them and doing in that moment, projection work, essentially.

Speaker 1 You are nourishing that option in the universe. Yeah.
It's like, for example,

Speaker 1 there are many things like happening today with, I don't know, like the war war in the Middle East, for example. And

Speaker 1 today, because everyone is talking about it, they expect for me to say something about it. And I'm not.

Speaker 1 And the reason why is because I'm not gonna fulfill the need of someone of

Speaker 1 me entering a war that is not mine.

Speaker 1 My work is consciousness.

Speaker 1 It's not about deciding who is wrong or who is right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 and this is this is in in many topics,

Speaker 1 in many things that are happening in life, people tend to go to the opposites. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Trying to think or believe that

Speaker 1 whatever is wrong for them is wrong for everyone.

Speaker 2 And there's a bigger picture happening.

Speaker 2 But I really hear you staying true to your own

Speaker 2 autonomy and to what feels right for you. And it doesn't mean because you're ending the war inside of yourself.
I think that's, again, one of the most important things.

Speaker 2 And some of us will feel called to you know

Speaker 2 support war in the Middle East, support nature and you know like environmental.

Speaker 2 Other people will do work with you know I used to work as a psychotherapist so we all have different callings and we can follow that but again all comes back to starting within ourselves and clearing that division within us.

Speaker 1 Yeah and as you said

Speaker 1 there is a conflict for each person. So we cannot all be in all the conflicts.
Yeah. So we cannot because because otherwise we wouldn't have a complete vision.

Speaker 1 So you need people fighting for something, you need people talking about something, you need people meditating about something.

Speaker 1 So we all complete the whole picture.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 today,

Speaker 1 well, today, no, all human history, we have been constantly acting as herds,

Speaker 1 running in the middle of the forest, trying to survive together. And if one thought differently, it was left behind.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so that's why most of the people talk about things or support things that they don't understand.

Speaker 2 Because they're afraid that if they speak out or have a different experience, then they will not be accepted by your tribe and then you are left out and you die. Yeah.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it runs deep in our nervous system.

Speaker 1 It's very ancient.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Seven years of the epigenetics, all of the.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's very ancient.
It's like you being in a cave. It's not about school.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very ancient.
It's in your cells and your guts.

Speaker 1 Something that you cannot escape is the subconscious.

Speaker 1 You can not even dominate it. You can

Speaker 1 learn about it and try to handle it by using the unconscious to become conscious.

Speaker 1 And some people think that being conscious means to be a good person.

Speaker 1 And or yeah, these kind of things.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 today with social media and everything, there is a lot of conspiracy theories, for example. I don't usually speak about them

Speaker 1 because I don't want to nourish that idea.

Speaker 1 And say, oh, so you are denying that happens. No, I'm not denying them.

Speaker 1 It's just that I don't want to feed your energy to it,

Speaker 1 to give power to it.

Speaker 2 This kind of leads me to where I want to shift the conversation a little bit to manifestation and manifesting our full potential. What is your perspective?

Speaker 2 How do you support people in being conscious creators?

Speaker 2 How do you hold manifestation?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 the word manifestation also, money and fest

Speaker 1 means to do a party with your hands.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 1 I love that. To make a party with your hands, like manifesta.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 also in Latin. So, what it means, it means that from your heart

Speaker 1 you project and you create what is here

Speaker 1 I love that so so manifestation requires coherence of feeling

Speaker 1 so you cannot manifest a reality if you don't fully believe within or sense and feel that that is actually true.

Speaker 2 So the coherence is the foundation again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Again.
Because the coherence is like the three notes to make a chord.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And part of the work that I do is help people question their limitations or beliefs or somatically integrate the fear in their body so that they can come from a clean slate and accelerate manifestation.

Speaker 1 Of course. Of course there are different types of manifestation.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 I've heard once that here in the States it was very powerful, a book

Speaker 1 or a movie that...

Speaker 2 The secret.

Speaker 1 the secret, yeah, the secret. And a lot of people thought that just by thinking about it, they could have a car.
Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 It's not how it works.

Speaker 1 It's not exactly how it works. It was a good step.
It made a lot of people start getting curious. Yeah, it created a lot of awareness about, oh, you are the creator of your own reality.

Speaker 1 But there are many other laws of the universe.

Speaker 1 That's right. And

Speaker 1 again, we come back to the design that you are. Like,

Speaker 1 let's say if you're a circle and you're trying to create a square, it's going to be complicated to fit it in your reality.

Speaker 1 So, when you understand who you are, you understand the tools that you have to manifest.

Speaker 1 And sometimes we follow the ways of others to manifest.

Speaker 1 So, we read a book and you say, oh, this person teach me exactly how to manifest.

Speaker 1 And I do that, like I do my altar, I do this, and I put that, but maybe it's not working for you because you're a circle and I'm a square. Yeah.

Speaker 1 you know and so you have to find your own way of of creating the geometrical structure for that geometry that is around you to fit in

Speaker 1 and that requires to

Speaker 1 create your own so that's the manifestation coming it's like you have to take action and to create by your own self yes the shape of that reality uh because if you follow the mold of others you might not

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 because some people has a huge power of manifestation and some others needs to work harder like let's say something very simple

Speaker 1 if you are a pisces you will manifest through dreaming

Speaker 1 going outside and getting lost in the city and not knowing where you are and suddenly you find someone that helps you and you manifested something beautiful but that's the pisces way of doing it if you're a capricorn you have to work at least five years to accomplish something

Speaker 1 it's like it's like your design requires time

Speaker 1 frustration

Speaker 1 tests

Speaker 1 uh to value yourself so so um if you are trying to manifest like a pisces being a capricorn you will suffer

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 Instead of just enjoying the walk, you will be thinking, it's going to be in the next corner.

Speaker 1 How should I work? Maybe I should do this like

Speaker 1 first with the right foot or, you know, the Capricorn.

Speaker 1 Too mental. So

Speaker 1 we have different designs in how to manifest. And by knowing ourselves, we can actually

Speaker 1 know better which one is our way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I would also say doing the work to clear the subconscious misunderstandings or limitations also helps put us in alignment. Totally.

Speaker 2 But I've been on this, I'm becoming a joyologist this summer where I'm studying joy and what brings me aliveness. Talk to us about the importance of joy in manifestation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally, because

Speaker 1 when you, for example, it's a chemical reaction. When you

Speaker 2 are happy,

Speaker 1 when you do things that makes you laugh,

Speaker 1 no matter what it is, you are sending a signal to your brain to generate specific hormones that will push your cells to react in one way or the other

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 just by laughing or smiling

Speaker 1 so it creates a complete

Speaker 1 different mindset because your neuron starts to perceive the reality in a different way it starts to to receive codes from the outside saying oh wait a moment something terrible is happening but this person is laughing somehow so the brain starts to process what is happening as an opportunity instead of

Speaker 1 a limitation.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 educating your brain to laugh and to enjoy

Speaker 1 the process instead of suffering it and saying, why it's never working for me? Why me? And these kind of things.

Speaker 1 It's like going to the gym for the brain.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 2 Inner exercise. You're training your consciousness to then, and also with your laughing or you're smiling, it tells your nervous system that you're safe, right? And that helps.

Speaker 2 And anytime we have a big emotional experience, whether positive or negative, quote unquote, your subconscious will take a screenshot of like, let me avoid that or let me create more of that.

Speaker 2 So the more you're consciously choosing that, focusing on gratitude or joy,

Speaker 2 you experience that. You also tell yourself and your cells that what you want is safe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 I had this experience of of

Speaker 1 in 2012, I was traveling around the world and I was so afraid and insecure of myself, of what I was doing.

Speaker 1 I was accomplishing my mission, but I wasn't fully believing in

Speaker 1 what I was doing. So I was afraid of sharing it.

Speaker 1 And so every time that someone wanted to make an interview to me, I would say, no, I'm afraid of the camera.

Speaker 1 Like, no, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 So I was worried all the time about

Speaker 1 this is going to kill me. Like

Speaker 1 people will know that I don't trust myself, like these kind of things. Like I was very worried about being filmed or interviewed about anything.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that same year,

Speaker 1 I was kidnapped in Paraguay, in the middle of the forest, by natives with arrows and guns and everything.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there was one pointing in my head with this gun.

Speaker 1 And one of my guides from the fifth dimension appeared in my side and leaned towards me softly and said, after this, the camera is nothing.

Speaker 1 And I started to laugh.

Speaker 1 Because he made a joke in that terrible situation, but totally changed my perception of what was happening. It was like, oh, now I'm not...
I'm not going to be afraid of anything.

Speaker 1 Instead of saying, I'm going to die, how did I attract this?

Speaker 2 Why is this happening to me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. I was like, wait a moment.
Like, now I can talk to a camera. Wow.

Speaker 1 It was different. The perception was like, I'm not afraid of a camera now.
Wow. Instead of, I'm going to die.
Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's incredible.
And we all have that choice how we hold it. We all have guides and guidance.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Actually, I would love for you to speak to that.

Speaker 2 Like, for people that are struggling or in a hard situation, can you talk to us about the unseen guidance or something that people, the support that they can lean into if they're wanting to feel that in their life?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, when we talk about interdimensionality,

Speaker 1 we have to remember that we are all one thing.

Speaker 1 And that one thing starts to split to three, four, five, and so on, and doubles itself for billions and billions. So

Speaker 1 only one being become billions of beings, trillions and trillions, or whatever,

Speaker 1 eternity of beings that are only one.

Speaker 1 But all of them observe the reality from different points of view.

Speaker 1 So sometimes what we call a guide or a master is just ourselves observing ourselves from a different dimension.

Speaker 1 So it's not separate beings that are guiding us. It's just ourselves observing us from a different point of view.

Speaker 1 But they cannot speak directly because they don't have the experience of what is this

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 the only way I can interact with them is if I open myself to recognize that I am them beautiful not that there's other people that I have to hear yeah

Speaker 1 or see yeah it's actually myself

Speaker 2 and when I'm not just the guides yeah exactly with everything yeah

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 in those terms, everything can speak to you.

Speaker 1 Suddenly a plant can be a master. A stone can tell you things.

Speaker 1 A wall can tell you things. Like I used to speak with everything in my home, like the door, the glasses, because a glass is made of sand and the sand was in a beach and

Speaker 1 it has the sea and the transformation of the river and the mountain. And so there are so many frequencies and information everywhere that when you realize that you are also that

Speaker 1 and that your cells in order to be a cell needed silica to shape the cell and the silica is also in the sand that cleated the glass.

Speaker 1 So suddenly you are silica. Yeah.
So you can speak with silica and you can speak with the mountain just by being being the mountain. So it's not about I hear voices or

Speaker 1 there's someone talking to me. It's about me allowing myself to become.

Speaker 2 So the less I identify with, the more I am. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And so the less the like reference point is a single self-body-mind opening awareness to the larger truth of what we are, then we wake up to being all of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's so much. I mean, mean, I could talk to you forever.
This is one of the most fascinating, enlightening, heartfelt conversations I think I've ever had.

Speaker 2 There's ways that you can weave in spiritual dimensions and perspectives, which I hang out less in. I'm really most interested in enlightenment and waking up to the truth of who and what I am.

Speaker 2 And there's a way that you can articulate it that's fresh and innovative and clear. And so I just want to thank you for that.
Thank you. And I want to ask you one last question.

Speaker 2 Is there something that we are not exploring or not a question that we're not asking that we should be that would really change everything for us?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, of course, there are many things, but

Speaker 1 it's related to the mistake.

Speaker 1 There is

Speaker 1 something

Speaker 1 that has been mistaken in the universe and that we don't usually think about

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 and it's holding everything

Speaker 1 and it's just a tiny little mistake that

Speaker 1 we give for granted and

Speaker 1 it's maybe not philosophical it's something hidden that

Speaker 1 it's very difficult to rasp or even question

Speaker 1 but I would say

Speaker 1 we have this thing of oh things are mistaken and then spirituality we say there are no mistakes.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 one of the reasons why I say this is because one of the of the things that I could connect with was how can a mistake know that it's a mistake if its very nature is to be a mistake

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 from that there are many things to dive in

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 opens a whole other

Speaker 1 aspect which is outside of this universe

Speaker 1 and it's a very complicated thing because it's outside the laws of this universe so I think that's a very thing that we don't usually

Speaker 1 that we are not asking

Speaker 2 somehow that there seems to be a mistake.

Speaker 1 That is so perfect

Speaker 1 that it doesn't look like

Speaker 1 that it looks perfect.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 can you be more explicit about it? Can you share? Like if it were if I were a fifth grader?

Speaker 1 Well, it's like you created

Speaker 1 the most perfect Lego castle.

Speaker 1 And it's like, wow, it's a perfect Lego castle

Speaker 1 That it says that it has

Speaker 1 a hundred,

Speaker 1 like a billion pieces, and you have one

Speaker 1 in your hand, but it's perfect.

Speaker 1 So, what is this?

Speaker 1 Why,

Speaker 1 if I put everything where it was supposed to be,

Speaker 1 what am I doing with this one? with one that is missing. There's one missing in the whole thing, and I don't know what the castle can become if I put it, but I don't know where it goes.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 2 So I get the analogy, but I don't get the practicality.

Speaker 1 That's why we never talked about it.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 is the mistake in our thinking or an identity?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, it's not even from this world.

Speaker 1 So that's why it's like something that

Speaker 1 it's a very philosophical thing

Speaker 1 that is the basis of all existence.

Speaker 1 So it's not something that is practical in our daily life, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's something that is coming more often.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I am trying to figure out

Speaker 1 what it means somehow. Like I think a lot of people is is into that now

Speaker 1 doing kind of that question. I don't know how, but um

Speaker 2 yeah it's it sounds like it you're currently working on discovering and articulating what this is yeah to be able to share with people is that right yeah because there are many many stories that i have been sharing about it but i didn't go deeper into them because i don't understand them okay yeah okay because maybe it's outside the realm of mind

Speaker 1 maybe or not okay well to be it sounds like a very it sounds mysterious Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's another episode.

Speaker 2 Another episode to be continued.

Speaker 1 For the cause of us meeting. Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 Let's definitely do it. Yeah, when you have more that you articulate around it and you dive deeper into it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I thank you for

Speaker 2 just the courage it has taken to speak your truth and to share with people your experience to remind us of connecting back with our own truth and to live in harmony and in resonance with our words, thoughts, and actions.

Speaker 2 I'm really taking that away. And thank you for your your presence in this world and on this podcast.
Thank you. I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 Thank you for doing your purpose.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what a gift.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for doing this work that changes the world, starting with yourself. It truly does make a difference.

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