Unlocking Life’s Mysteries: Purpose, Past Lives & Manifestation with Matias De Stefano | EP 49

A purpose is not something that someone told you to do, it's something that you decided to do according to who you are today. But if you don't know yourself, the purpose will be done in your level of consciousness.
That's why it's so important how we act. Humanity created morality as a way to define what is going to happen to you according to how you behave.
But the problem with morality was that it was not about other dimensions or about yourself. It was about if you don't do according to what the village is saying, you might be left behind or die because no one will protect you.
So everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group, the hurt. And for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them, what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment? Well, ask yourself the three questions, which is...
This is one of the most mind-blowing, life-altering conversations I have ever had. And I'm so excited to share it with you today.
We're going to be exploring what our true purpose is, why fear is actually a good signal, and all of the deep questions like, why am I here? What happens after we die? Join me today with our special guest, Mateus DeStefano, who is a spiritual leader. He's an author.
He's a featured expert on Gaia TV and a well sought after guest on many different podcasts who's gained a lot of attention through his ability to remember his past lives. So we're going to talk about our journey of spiritual awakening, how to tap into higher states of consciousness and trust your own inner knowing and intuition.
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Mateus, I'm so happy that you're here. Thank you for being here.
Thank you for just your time and your energy. And just before we dive in, because I know this is going to be such a beautiful conversation, will you give us a little bit of a context to your spiritual gifts, some of your upbringing and how that's kind of shaped your life perspective now for people that may not know of you.
Of course. Thank you for inviting me.
And well, I kind of can name myself as a rememberer because everything that defined what I did was to remember since I was a child so I was able to not only remember past lives but also what happens in between and in other dimensions and because I had no religious in my context it was all agnostic okay my family so for me was all like um for them was all like he has a lot of imagination and creativity okay so they encouraged that instead of saying don't speak about these things or uh and that helped me to actually be more confident in what was happening to me um um because it was not like religious or or something that you shouldn't speak about uh but it was also not spiritual so i didn't grow i didn't grow in a spiritual context yeah so uh for me was all about um science studying what uh what is dinosaurs, or these kind of things. And the beings that I used to see when I was a child, they explained me about nature.
They explained me about how we humans are just an expression of the spiritual realm without saying spiritual words.

Yeah.

It was all about the essence of the plants, the essence of nature. So for me, I started to learn what spirituality was when I was 17, actually, when I started to ask for help trying to understand what was happening to me.
and I wanted to study education to help other kids that were going through the same not understanding what is this reality but then when I was 20 I think I understood that the people that were more lost were the adults so they so they invited me to Congress of Education and suddenly I spoke in one of them. And and that's how people started to record me to put some videos in YouTube and all in Spanish, of course, in that time, because I'm from Argentina.
Yeah. And went viral.
And I started to do things around the world and trying to teach people about how the planet works, how the universe works and everything. So, yeah.
I love that your family was so encouraging and that they just thought it was your imagination. Yeah.
And that you had a blank slate so that it was really nurtured and not hindered in any way and that you didn't have some of these religious or spiritual backgrounds. It was just your experience.
It's really beautiful. Yeah, I had to learn all the spiritual things when I was 18, 19.
Yeah. Like what were the words and everything.
So I used to name the things that I remember in other languages that I could remember. And when I explained what it was, yes, when I explained what it was, people said, oh, we call this like that.
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
So that's how I was learning. As I was explaining, I was learning.
Yeah. Oh, we call this reincarnation or we call this better that way.
Yeah. Yeah.
More trustworthy. Yeah.
I know a lot of people struggle with purpose or feeling like, why am I here?

What would you say to people that are kind of grappling with those questions?

I'm curious your perspective.

Well, it's a long topic about purpose because usually we want to find our purpose as if it is a must.

But actually, the purpose is going to happen anyway.

It doesn't matter what we do.

The thing is that it can be done in a bad way, unconsciously, suffering if we are not aware of it. Okay.

So it's not that we're not going to do our purpose if we don't know it but it will help knowing a little bit um and actually one of the one of the ways in which we can understand what a purpose is is to understand the etymology of the word i love to to go back to the meaning of the words to know the power of them. So purpose is when you say something that is put in front.
So it means that you put it before. It's like saying, I want to do this, so I will throw it in front of me so I can see it.
Okay. So a purpose is not something that someone told you to do.
It's something that you decided to do according to who you are today, which means that by understanding yourself in your design, which you can use any tool around like astrology, psychology, anything that can help you to understand who you really are. Psychologically speaking? Yeah.
Okay. Psychological speaking speaking um astrological speaking you don't have to go like yeah in a very deep thing yeah but just to understand the design that you are here today yeah i like the enneagram as one framework to understand the psyche yeah so uh that gives you the basis to understand what is your purpose.

Okay.

So, because your purpose can only be accomplished according to what you are.

So, in order to be done, you have to transform or use correctly what you are.

But if you don't know yourself, the purpose will be done in your level of consciousness okay that's why usually people suffer because because of levels of consciousness exactly yeah so it's not what you're doing it's the consciousness from where you're doing it exactly that's also the word destiny is what uh what is going to happen depends on not where you go but from where you are coming from that's the word destiny is to move from one spot this time which is i'm here and i move from here okay so destiny is not what is ahead is where am i here where am i now so i have to move So that's why to understand yourself can show you where to go and that's why it's so important also to to understand why the universe doesn't show you the purpose when you are born yeah you're diving into all the things i want to ask you about so good yeah i'm curious like this like blank slate not remembering anything yeah that's i know obviously that's intentionally designed i don't know why well imagine if you have five years old and someone tells you you are meant to be the president of united states yeah terrible anxious yeah this is anxious you will try to study politics and maybe you i see you're not going to do it right because you are doing many things before you have accomplished the purpose of something that you had to do before which is the preparation a lot of people has to learn things study things go through different processes to gain tools before they do something. And that purpose, that process, sorry, is more important than the purpose.
Than the thing itself. Exactly.
Who you become in the process. Exactly.
So that's why if everyone is born knowing exactly what they have to do, the process, it the process uh it's terrible yeah a lot of anxiety exactly yeah because you're all the time saying oh my gosh i don't have i don't know how to do it i can't public speak i'm not ready to present or whatever the thing exactly yeah so in the other in the other hand when you don't know your purpose you just do yeah follow Yeah. Follow the next simple thing.
But you have two ways to do that. Okay.
The unconscious way or the conscious way. So the unconscious way is like, I don't know why I'm doing.
And you just do and you're lost or you just repeat the systems of others or consciously, which is I'm going to do this because I know this will help me to do something else. So you instead of just do, you discover.
Yeah. You know that you are.
Oh, this is crazy what is happening now. So let's see what it where does does it take me? Living the adventure.
Living the adventure. Exactly.
That's more consciously. I can hear somebody saying like, how do I know if I'm on purpose? If I'm doing it consciously? Everything is aligned and you are always on time.
You know the right person. And usually things are more easy and happy.

Okay.

Like you can tell because things go smooth.

Okay.

And yeah, it's easier. Everything is easier.

More synchronicity.

It flows more.

Yeah.

So for people that are like...

You can see the synchronicities.

And for people that are like hitting up against challenges and it's not in flow for them what would you recommend to support them in coming back into alignment well ask yourself the three questions which is um if what you think when you feel and what you do they correlate to one another, so living in alignment with thoughts, feelings, and actions. Yeah.
So like, what I think is, is related to what I feel. And what I feel is what I do.
Because usually, we don't do that. Usually, usually we do because someone else asked us to do it.
But maybe our emotion is like, I want to do it but we do it anyway yeah and um so in order in order to live in harmony coherently and in synchronicity you have to sync those three that's the first holy trinity you have to sync okay uh so the rest is a reflection of that and of course for people say, yeah, maybe it's easier for you because you would do that and you do this. But I have to work eight hours a day and I have to do this.
And actually, I have this easier life because I do that. I live coherently with those three things.
And we can all do that. It's just that we are trapped in the idea that yeah but some I have to work no I do work too it's just that I'm happy doing what I do so you cannot tell when I'm working or not so because I'm just being myself you're being in integrity with your truth you're living in that yeah alignment it's difficult you have to you be tested every week.
Yeah. It's not like, oh yeah, I'm done.
No, no, no. That's part of the purpose, right? To stay walking the line.
Yeah. Constantly.
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You are a consequence of your decisions.

So your free will have created this reality. Give people a reference point for dimensions, like third dimension, fifth dimension, for those that don't know.
Yeah. So dimension is basically a measurement of something.
So it's a perspective of one reality. Usually we believe that dimensions are levels where you have to go or to claim or to i don't know um yeah achieve uh but it's not like that a dimension is like for example uh one dimension of myself is high the other one is wide the other one is depth yeah so those are three dimensions then you have the dimension of time which is eternity that in the third dimension we eternity interpretate in past present and future yeah we divide it in three yeah again because we are in the third dimension so we can only interpretate things in packages of three because we are in the third dimension.
But in the fifth dimension, you have another understanding. There's not only three options of movement.
There's also within and without through eternity, which is the fourth dimension. So it's only one thing that is being perceived in different ways.
Yes. And we, in this reality, we haven't evolved for that because we have the two eyes in front so we evolved to to do this yeah to have two options uh and in the fifth dimension you can see the whole so that's why we tend to say in the fifth dimension is heaven where the angels are the masters are guiding us and these things because

they can see but they can't do we can't do they can see so we cannot see but we can do yeah so it's a team yeah it's like a like different points of view of one thing so when we talk about the fifth dimension, the observer, which is the fifth dimension, is able to decide what to see and mold the third dimension through time. So it's a whole process of evolution until we exist.
so um if you have heard this concept of the quantum field,

that we define reality according to observation.

So it's not our eyes, it's the fifth dimension,

which is a whole aspect of vision that can see everything.

And because it can see everything through time, it can mold reality. So in the third dimension, you are the result of that observation.
Like the physical world is a result, is a reflection of the quantum field. Exactly.
So that means that you don't have free will. It means that you have will that you can do, that you can transform, but you are a consequence of billions of years of processes of being observed.
So what you can do with it is to decide your destiny, which is I exist like this. I am the result of this.
I don't have free will but i can decide with what i am which direction i will move through okay um so you can decide kind of your destiny but your destiny is defined according to what you are today so it's like a paradox. So you are free to choose, but you already exist, which means that you are not free from what you are.
So you have to deal with what you are, know exactly what you are in order to decide freely what to do that's why the most important

thing is to know who you are yeah because when you know exactly who you are you start to free

yourself from all those visions because you start to observe yourself right and and i want to check

in with you so it's a very long topic well no it's so deep and i you're the one that we we get to

explore this with like you'll go there and so that one dimension or one level of consciousness is to

I'm going to go this, to this depth later in the conversation, but I think we're going to it now, um, where that's one level of consciousness where there is separation and that there is time versus versus i would imagine that this kind of is where it aligns where on a higher dimension or a higher level of consciousness there is no separation there is no time there's no observer it's observing and it's all part of the one and so from that reality then there's no past life or it's just is, right? It is. Okay.
So for people that think that they are a separate body-mind, then they have no free will. They have will.
Yeah. And then when you awaken spiritually beyond identification with the thoughts, the body, the mind, then there's a realization that you are all of it.
And then there's, it's the ground of being. Exactly.
Yeah. But to get there, you have to forget about yourself.
Yes. Because yourself, which is commonly called ego, is the one that holds you in this reality.
Yeah. Is the one that helps you to survive.
So in order to see everything and be free, you should forget that you exist. so which is the most terrible existential crisis that everyone has to go through when they are trying to become the real self which is like destroying yourself in every layer nothing and everything exactly my path has always been questioning who I am.
It's like, oh, I am a girl.

I am this body. And then at one point it was questioning awareness, that I am awareness, because there was a subtle identity in, you know, duality of like awareness and everything else.
And so the path of real deeply listening and questioning who we think we are is what unfolds the conditioned mind into the unconditioned, which is always here, always alive, whether we recognize it or not. So that's really spiritual awakening.
Yeah. And that's why the most ancient traditions, they used to live very close to death.
Like death was a very important part of every day. It was not something like, oh, you live and then you die.
No, you die every day. And you have to learn how to die because that's how you set yourself free from the conditionings of who you are.
And it's a tough process. And of course, for the cultures that are craving for life or eternal life and they don't want to leave behind what you are or the family or whatever you have built, it's very difficult.
because um and and then culture has mixed this this idea of that with ego. Yeah.
Saying, oh, don't be egoistic. But that's not the point.
It's not about releasing everything and not to be egoistic or egocentric. It's like, I'm not egoic.
You know, it's like, I'm not. There's more ego in that yeah when you say i am not it's it's

basically you are yeah it's still ego it's subtle it's tricky so we have been trying to kill the ego all the time when the ego is is basically the one that helps you to exist so it's not about to kill the ego, it's about to understand what the ego is, which is beyond you. And I think that's one of the biggest mistakes that usually people do when they are trying to be spiritual.
Yeah. I think there's a misunderstanding that the ego is bad.
Yeah. And that which judges the ego is the ego.
And I think of it like a little kid. It's just, and it's helpful to have a psychology, like a personality and to move through the world to physically keep this body alive.
And yet integrating it and waking up to grad school, like evolving from kindergarten, you know, it's just part of the process. Yeah.
And so we went deep right in, which I love, because that's, I feel like, the most valuable part of the conversation we can have. And I don't know how many people are sincerely interested in that, because it does hit you up against an existential death.
There's a grip in the gut from the ego that wants to maintain. And anything we resist is going to expand in our experience, so really bringing compassion and curiosity into that, I think chips away at some of the holding, but without an agenda, because what we are is always here, with or without our conscious recognition of it.
And the concept also, when people say free in English language the connotation of the word

is I have to set myself free from something.

I have to escape from something.

There is something that is haunting me.

There is something against that I have to escape from this.

And the word free

comes from a Nordic word

which is frey

which means brotherhood. But also frey means love.
So actually you are free when you love. Yeah.
And it's not the love of I love someone else. It's the love of I accept everything.
So you are only free when you don't escape. That's right.
When you stop trying to find freedom and you become everything. Yeah.
So that's why usually we don't have free will because we tend to believe that freedom is when you move ahead trying to get away from something. Get away from something.
My spiritual teacher, Adi Ashanti, talks about freedom to versus freedom from, which is essentially what you're speaking. Freedom to is real freedom, not escapism.
I have to move away and get rid of these things. But yes, to my full human experience, find freedom in all of it.
Yeah, that's beautiful. And that's the deepest conversation and i know that people some are interested in that and for people that are more so in the third dimension and scared of death i would love just to explore and hear your experience or perspective of what happens when we die yeah well of course it's's death is part of the of the wave of the universe.
It's not like an end is like an ocean. So it's life, death, life, death.
So so it's like constant wave in which you are constantly in, it never ends.

It's just sometimes there are storms in the ocean,

sometimes it's flat.

Yeah.

But the waves are always there. Yeah.

So death is like, in terms of binary,

it's like one, zero, one, zero, one, zero,

right in the whole existence um so without

death there's no meaning to the one without the void there's no meaning to the everything so the reason why we die is in order to finish processes to give meaning to the process so um And we usually are afraid of death because we. We try, we tend not to complete the processes, so we have to repeat them and not knowing what is going to happen after, because we forget.
It the desperation of not knowing um that's the most scary thing but what happened when you die it's actually a consequence of the movement of your life so it's not about um going to heaven or hell it's about going to your own heaven or your own hell so because in the fourth dimension when you leave the third dimension the fourth dimension dimension just expands what you have created in the third one so uh according to how you lived you said the fourth dimension expands what you've created in the third which comes back to then purpose is more about the consciousness in which you're doing things more than what you're doing

exactly because then if it will be expanded you can be in total bliss making the bed yeah okay yeah like there's a lot of people that are doing a lot of good in the planet but they live horribly like within they are sad or it doesn't matter how good you do um if you are not coherent within that's where you are going to expand so it's not about doing an effort to be accepted as a good person it's about how do you feel within because the spiritual context makes so much sense to me because it doesn't it never felt fair or right in my younger self trying to understand that like people don't get equal opportunity like these you know and so i've heard different analogies of like this is earth school we grow and evolve at this in this human experience but what you're speaking of also the coherence that feels right for me in my system because then it's about waking up to the love that i am to the love that is and okay yeah yeah and and if you don't if you're not coherent with what you are supposed to do um you are going to create constant realities of trying to repair that so that's why whatever happens after is going to be according to that existence. So for the person that's like recreating a pattern in their life and they see it, what I, one of the things I'm hearing you say is to look at what's their coherence with their thoughts, their words and their actions and to get into alignment so that they can get back into synchronicity and purpose.
Okay.

Yeah, it's a constant questioning.

The question is the one that created us, like created everything.

Like, who could I be?

What is my thought?

What do I feel?

What should I do?

Like, all these questions are the ones that shape who you are. So when you question yourself constantly, you transform yourself constantly.
And if you do that every day, so you shape yourself every day in a better option. And sometimes that better option is not accepted by the morality of a culture.
Yeah. It's just your option.

So you have to go through that until you understand if that was right or not for yourself. And that's why we usually project to other dimensions.
That's why it's so important how we act. humanity created morality as a way to define what is going to happen to you according to how you behave but what the problem with morality was that it was not about other dimensions or about yourself it was about if you don't do according to what the village is saying you might be be left behind or die.
Because no one will protect you. So everything that we do in terms of good or bad is to be accepted by the group.
Yes. The herd.
For safety. For safety.
For survival. Exactly.
Not for transcendence. Yeah.
So when you start to think in terms of transcendence into another reality, because when you die, there's no herd.

There's no family.

It's just you.

So whatever you're going to project in the next one is about yourself, not about the others. And if you project related to the others, what happens is that you will constantly find lives that are kind of similar with the same kind of people repeating the same patterns and that can happen every day with every relationship so imagine that in thousands of years yeah yeah so then then i get you know and i'll just share i was raised catholic and i remember a voice coming in when i was about six years old I came in very clear.
I had a deep knowing. I remember I have two older brothers.
When I was about nine, I remember looking in the mirror and being laughing. I'm like, cause my brother's friend started liking me at that age.
And I remember being like, Oh, this is who they think I am. And just laughing and, and having a deep connection and knowing.
And I think some of that got conditioned away from me through conforming and safety and wanting to fit in and also, you know, some authoritarian parenting. And so part of what I hear you saying is like really having your own spiritual authority, like building trust in a deep knowing within yourself.
And, um, I have so many different ways that I want to weave in this conversation, but, um, what would you say to people who can feel that they're up against something like being accepted by a community, but knowing how do they really deepen in the knowing of their truth to follow, even when it's in the face in the midst of a perceived threat. Well, that example that you just said of, oh, this is what they think I am.
You have two options there, or three options. One is believing that that is you, which is what commonly we do all do like oh i accept that i am what the others think i am yeah i think i am that's the normal thing um the other option is fight against it like that's not me so i have to get rid of myself i have to change everything Self-improvement could fall under that, trying to change myself.
Exactly. Yeah.
But also you can go very far away from your real purpose. Because your purpose, remember, is according to the design that you are.
So by escaping that design, you are creating another option, another version, but will bring you more problems because you are hiding the real truth, the real design that you had. So the third option is acknowledging that that design is a tool, it's not you.
And you can use that tool with awareness when it's needed, which is for people usually it's something that I don't know how to pronounce in English, which is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy.
Okay, yeah. You're a hypocrite? You're a hypocrite you're a hypocrite perfect okay so um because it's like uh oh you are faking that you are someone that you are not yeah yeah that's what we all do literally that's interesting because that moment i felt like i didn't understand adults and i wanted to feel like I was connecting and understanding, but I didn't understand the kids my age, the adults.
And so I chose in, I remember being like, I want to choose in and understand this human experience at nine and chosen. And lots of trauma came from after making that choice.
And that was really a redirect to come back into living a very spiritually oriented life to question who am I for me looking at the moon is my clarity. And so what I also I'm hearing you say is that life will give you feedback when you're in alignment, when you're out of alignment, constantly, and not bad, not punishment, but just as a guiding system.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah yeah then what we perceive as punishment is actually

something that is out of tune yeah it's like you are an instrument so in order to play yourself

yeah your own instrument you have to be tuned otherwise it would be like an annoying thing

uh that of course people around will say like doesn't sound good so by resonance if you don't if you're not tuned in your own instrument whatever happens outside will be according to that resonance yeah so that's why you the situations that you leave around are not talking about what is happening around is about what you are resounding what is your instrument resounding with and that's why it's a constant practice of of tuning like yeah as you see every the musicians they know music but every time that they are gonna to play the guitar, they have to tune it. Yeah.
For every song. They do it every time.
Why? Because the vibrations that are around change the tuning, even if you're not playing it. Meaning that if you don't do anything, the resonance from the outside will take you out of tune.
me feedback yeah exactly so you have to constantly work in yourself in order to tune for every action and um related to what we were talking yeah the hypocrisy is for example switching the tune of your instrument to play one kind of music or the other and it's not not because you know how to play different types of music you're a hypocrite you're just an artist so sometimes you need to be someone for some people you need to be someone for someone for some others but when you use that consciously you start to use the personality as the tool and suddenly the personality doesn't define who you are yeah you're just using it yeah it's like saying today i decided to dress blue yeah uh just because i think that is needed for what i'm going to do but today but tomorrow you will change your clothes yeah so the same thing with the personality because it's not who you are it's what you need it in order to do what you are supposed to do yeah i'm just remembering because i there was something i forgot to share with that voice that was teaching me when I was a kid would put it in very simple six grade or, uh, yeah, six year old, um, language was like, and I was Catholic. And so I had no reference point of anything other than that.
Um, but it would say that the body is like a rent a car where you go to different cars over time. And so, um, and I was later when I started getting into, uh, meditation retreats, I'm like, Oh, that's called reincarnation, you know? And like, Oh, that was just very.
And so whether, you know, people believe in that or not, like there's it, that for me makes so much sense. And it's all back to like, what actually supports, you know, what supports my own evolution now.
Um, but the, the tuning that you were speaking of, I don't want to make an assumption. Is that still living in coherence? Are there spiritual practices that you're saying to not get so identified or not identifying with the ego, essentially? Would there be spiritual practices, psychological practices, or just living in alignment? Is that what you mean by tuning? It's basically to try to live constantly in alignment.
It's like your spirit, your true self is the artist, the musician. The instrument is your personality and your body.
And so you have to tune your thoughts, your feelings, and your body, your actions, in order for the music to sound. Otherwise, if you're not connected correctly with the true self, you don't know how to play your song.
So that's why the path of coherence is always tuning yourself, always tuning your life in between thoughts, emotions, and actions. This is making me so happy because i used to be a licensed psychotherapist and i started a coaching institute that has an integrative methodology and what we do is helping people with their thoughts emotions their actions their unconscious programs so it's like all very much in alignment with what you're sharing.
And I can hear, yeah, anytime just for people just to land this, if you're feeling like you're unconsciously recreating a pattern, really do some of that tuning to live in alignment with your truth, even if it goes against society's beliefs. That's why it's the questioning yourself is is essential yeah who i think i am who who all all the questions and doubt mainly to doubt about everything as a way to discover everything so like living with a question mark yeah being in in curiosity discovery constantly yeah yeah Because otherwise you transform a feeling or an emotion in faith.

And when you have faith, you stop questioning.

So you stop perfectioning yourself in the possibility of you becoming God.

And you allow the universe to decide what to do because you have faith. So that's why you have to always doubt.
Always question. Always question.
Question a little bit more. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, is this the right path? Is this true? Is this really me? Is this what I want to do? Um, all the time.
And then existentially, like it's really, this is really real. Is there a God or, you know, like that's good for the divine? Yeah.
Yeah. I think people deeply want to feel safe in the world.
And I think they deeply want to feel like there's a, they can trust life yeah for people that are listening and they're just like I want to embrace this way of living more do you have any words of wisdom or story or perspective to support them in in letting go and trusting more that it's unfolding for them or like there's nothing really to fear in that way well the first question for question for that is, what is my relationship with mom and dad? Because usually we tend to, oh, let's go to the universe. But our cells have been designed because of mom and dad.
And the first meeting, the first encounter. And not only that, because of all the history in our genetics.
So our relationship with mom is the relationship we have with matrix our relationship with that is the relationship we have with all the patterns so so that's what defines us towards the cosmos so when we start to try to connect with everything the question is um what

is my relationship with mom what is my relationship with dad and from there you start to build um the idea of how to expand your consciousness because that's what defines who you are now um and usually we tend to to go beyond to go outside to go to another levels of consciousness too fast but like a bypass yeah trying trying to to escape into something greater yes yeah and so it's what just a pause because i want to double click on that i think a lot of people get into spirituality because they're trying to avoid something or they think it's like enlightenment would be this golden ticket to opt out of human the human experience everyone who enters the spirituality it's 100 trying to escape the reality yeah um the people who who are spiritual they were never looking for spirituality basically um because um yeah because basically um when we talk about spirituality usually we relate spirituality or spirit with spirits something that is impossible to touch something that is invisible so if it's invisible what do i do i project the idea of my mom into mother earth i project the idea of the perfect dad into god or the cosmos so i'm not treating earth and the universe as they are i'm treating them as I would love for my parents to have been with me. I was not thinking you were going to go there, but I love it.
Yes. So that's why humanity usually don't think how plants think about God, for example.
Yeah. Like plants have a totally different way to understand what God is.
And but we created this perception of mammals, which is completely different. So it's usually, of course, we can shape the universe according to who we are.
But but when we are trying to find the answers, not as they are, but as we expect for them to be, the first question is, how am I dealing with that? Totally. Yeah.
And then to not opt out of the human experience, but to actually go into it, to do some psychological healing. Yeah.
And as within, so without, so that there's a projection life as a mirror. And so as we do that deeper deeper work i hear that it would naturally reflect in the universe so i would say coming back to the very origin of the word spirit it comes from the latin word spirale which means to breathe so what is a spiritual being a spiritual being is the one that knows how to breathe so So if you know how to breathe, it's because you are calm in the present.
You kind of think about everything that you are doing to your body with every breath. So taking care of every part of your body.
So a spiritual being is the one that lives here and now not the one that wants to go there. Yeah.
Etymologically talking. Yeah.
But I love the like groundedness and the rootedness of just here now and really saying yes to our direct experience as it is. Yeah.
That's more of the freedom to freedom from. And in that willingness, there's transformation that happens and then deeper integration.
It's not a bypass. Yeah.
And the deeper you go within, suddenly there is something that cracks in. And when you go to the very origin of who you actually are, which is beyond the atoms, and when you go to the essence of it, suddenly a deep breath you are in a galaxy and you are feeling an alien and you're feeling so suddenly it was just because you were doing the work of going to who you are who i am who i am who i am deeper into that question not going but going deeper to within.
And the layers that you have to grasp first is the biological ones, which have molded the psychological ones. So by design, by design.
Yeah. Yeah.
Would you say that because earlier, just loopinging back earlier you said we put it in front

of us the like the the purpose the purpose was was that i mean i we were kind of talking

dimensions and things but are we who put that in front like what was the observer the observer okay

yeah the observer with the intention for spiritual evolution or deeper integration by mistake say more this experiment well it's the question like the observer is just one eye observing itself like one point of view one perspective exactly which creates void

yeah uh when it's like all the forces together equals zero so imagine everything observing exactly the same point is equal nothing so basically the void so what happened one of those aspects looked. So it was like taking a view outside the center.
When that tiny point of view observed into a different direction, what happened is created duality. And duality opened the chance for polarity.
And by polarity means observation so now there's there's no more void now there's something else that i can observe outside from that void and seemingly yeah yeah so when that tiny thing moved away, it created a wave. And that wave made everything to turn toward the outside.
So instead of observing, it's like if all the colors of the... How do you call this in English? The eye.
The red. The color.
Oh, yeah, the color of your eye. Yeah.
So it's like you see all these lines going to the center. So what do you have? A black hole in the center that captures light.
Yeah. So imagine now that everything does like this.
What you have is white around. So the everything and the nothing is contained just because of the point of observation.
Yeah. So which are all the rays of light.
So if they are all observing within, it's void. If they are all observing outside, it's the everything.
That's why the paradox that I am everything and nothing. Yeah, exactly.
So because of that, we started to create different points of view and different perceptions perceptions so now for example as humans we have two eyes that reminds us that in order to concentrate something in front a purpose i need two eyes to balance it i cannot perceive the third dimension without at least two eyes um so i need that in order to see the distance between things so what is the purpose is the ability to focalize two points of view one within one outside in a third option and that's how a purpose exists so um that's why it's a holy Trinity. Yeah.
And I really hear, because I'm even thinking about people that are feeling stuck in the third dimension, wanting to evolve, thinking that the fourth or fifth is better. That's still more escapism.
Yeah. And so then it's just really.
It's not better. Fully being where we are.
Fourth dimension is terrible. What? Tell me more me more it's terrible because it's eternity so the fourth dimension is all the times imagine fourth dimension is like instead of taking a trip to the mountains you take a trip to history so as you walk in the middle of the forest every tree is actually a past life that are combined and doesn't make any sense.
So if you are not properly organized, the fourth dimension is hell. So it's basically bringing to you every memory that is aligned to what you are today.
So if you're suffering in in the eternity you will echo towards you everything that happened to your soul related to suffering through eternity that's why we can relate it to hell yeah yeah because that's four dimension is it's not like yeah what motivation then now to really clean it up and prioritize having an open, clear mind and heart and living in alignment and coherence? Totally. Yeah.
So every dimension can be horrible if we are not aware of how to move through it. So when we think that living in the third dimension is a trap and we have to escape from the third dimension to go to

heaven or something like that uh we we are kind of becoming christians again um which is a very uh ancient way of thinking um in terms of morality and morality means an agreement between people that live in one place.

So the moral codes of that yeah moral codes moral means to to it's the same word for moraid so it's like where someone lives so morality is according to where you live subjective it very subjective. So people created an idea of what heaven and hell are according to what for their culture is heaven or hell.
And according to how you will behave, you will go to one or the other. And this perception of some traditions, because not all of them do the same, but for some traditions that were world spread worldwide, the idea of the fourth dimension and the fifth dimension are related to this heaven or hell.
So we are bounded constantly by this thing of, I have to do the right thing,. I have to or if I do the wrong thing, this will happen.
But when you enter another dimension, it's completely different. Unless you create yourself that heaven or that hell and you will leave that.
Yeah. And you will until living that reality, suddenly you will start to doubt is this heaven like yeah what motivation to really take back our own spiritual autonomy and live in alignment with our truth then what is the motivation no i mean that feels like motivation hearing you say that i'm like that gives more permission to just be autonomous and follow your truth, even if others don't get it or align with it yet.
But I did hear you talk about that a lot of people have been traumatized by religion and kind of got disconnected from this magical way of living. And, you know, I think we might be aligned in the sense of like i'm very mystical and i i used to study comparative mysticism death death dying in the afterlife in college i would study all like i love the heart of every religious and spiritual tradition like the the essence and love of it but i also know religion can be really traumatizing for people and the codes and the rules and the way people have interpreted it.
How did you, can you elaborate a little bit on how you, how you, what your thought process was? Well, religion is like personality. It's a tool.
It's a tool for people that cannot go deeper within themselves because they have to figure out something else. So it's easier for a lot of people that needs to accomplish certain purposes that requires concentration in the third dimension to have faith in something that is pre-written and someone tells you what to do.
Yeah. Because it's easier.
Yeah. And there's no problem in the universe with that.

Like, it's a lot.

So it's good if you don't bother anyone else.

So it's fine.

It's good.

So I would say that religions are tools.

But they're not the way.

They're tools to find the way.

Yeah. And I think any good teacher or religion really points back to our own truth.
Totally. The real religious people, the ones that are spiritual within religions, because most of the people that are in religion, they're not spiritual people.
They are just religious people, which means they follow something that is written, but they don't understand the words. But there are a few religious people that understand the words, the meaning behind them.
And the reason why is because they don't take them as they are written, they question them. They make them their own.
They really sit with and contemplate. Yeah yeah and that's why they can trust the words that are written um in in a different way um so i think that there are some spiritual people in religions that are wandering and can share wisdom from from that the thing is that for religions as I said religion is

like

like from that. The thing is that for religions, as I said, religion is like, this is the way that we have designed to reach something.
When you start to question the way, you start to get trapped in the system. And that's why most of the people suffer from it and the problem some the problem

basically is that um when someone suffers in a religion usually starts to be against the religion and the religion is not the problem yeah uh actually the problem is the people that are afraid of losing control of other people. So it's like, for example, people blame money.
Yeah. Money is not the problem.
Yes. It's what people believe about the money what is the problem.
Yeah, money exaggerates what we're holding in our consciousness about it. Exactly.
So when we blame politics, no, it's just that these people are wrong in their coherence. Yeah.
When we talk about religions are useless, no, they are not useless. It's just that the people that are in religions are trying to control your life.
Or they're following a set of rules rather than their truth about it. Exactly.
Yeah. And there are certain teachings, I think, that that are supportive i've heard this in a lot of um like zen teachings like use the boat the tool the perspective to cross the river but then when you're when you've crossed the river let it go exactly like it helped for a certain period of time now i'm going to fifth grade or yeah yeah and you don't burn the boat yes you don't judge the boat it's all good it was terrible because it it was too small.
Yeah. And now I know that I can sail the ocean.
Yeah, but it was good.

You needed it and um and so that's why when uh you shouldn't escape from it yeah you should you should try to understand the level of consciousness that is because what you said that boat was built to cross the river not the ocean

that's right so if you're willing to go to the ocean just thank the boat that helps you to cross the river yeah to go to the shore yeah um and in that in that way you are gonna make you are making peace with that and it's not about religion it's not about religion it's about how people believe or act

according

with the tools

that we have around yeah that's very well said yeah very empowering and and let's talk about money because i think some of these i just want to you know we can get a little bit more grounded where people go pretty unconscious into money how do you how do you hold money i think i've heard you say that you're a fan of spending money rather than just saving it yeah but talk talk i'm a good yeah talk to us about money and and having a really healthy relationship with it or how you perceive it well i think that money is is another tool before it was seeds um and we use it in the same way. Yeah.
People kill for seeds in the past, as people is killing today for printed paper that has no value. Yeah.
But we have we have given value to many things in history, to different objects, to different things is about what we appreciate about them. But it's a way of earning value or exchanging value.
Yes. And that value can be an action or that value can be just time, present, listening to someone or that value can be food.
But the value is not in the object. The value is in what you're doing with it.
So if you earn a lot of money and keep a lot of money, what is the value in your life? It's a good question. Yeah, it's a story.
That would be a story for some people of security and safety. Versus if you don't cash in on it, where other than the story of some false security and safety, what is the value? Exactly.
There's no value on having money in your bank account if you're not living it because it's about exchanging so that's why i rather spend my money in experiences with people friends uh projects than actually having it because having it uh it it's just trying to tell me that i don't value myself that i don't value who i am by not spending it you're saying not sharing it oh by not sharing it but because it's not about i give you money it's about i give you an experience i share an experience with you i i i give value to you uh for what you are doing um so i cannot i don't know i cannot cook you so i give you this money so you can have someone to cook for you. Yeah.
So we, we accomplish in our society a way in which, um, I don't know the word in English. Um, when you do something for the other.
This kind of exchange. Yeah.
Um, exchange, but not, not, uh, money, uh, exchange like a chicken trade. Yeah.
Yeah. i have two chickens you have a pig you know this kind of this kind of things that in the past used to work because we were like i don't know a hundred people in the village and each one was specialized in something but today it's like complex yeah um how can a healer survive yeah just giving you reiki is's like, no.
You have to eat. Yeah.
But for someone, that hour of Reiki or that five minutes of Reiki worth $1,000 because it changed the person's day or life sometimes. Yeah.
So the value that you can give to things is according to what you are sharing with the others. And so it doesn't matter the shape of it.
It can be money. It can be seats.
It can be listening. Yeah.
And so if people can't spend it or they're not they're having a hard time giving or receiving, you know, some of the work that I would do with people is to look at mom and dad or whoever that raised them and what did they learn money was from them originally and then is that actually their truth now yeah to support having more of that flow and that value exchange and that experience yeah it's important it's important to question what is value for us in our life what do we value and what's my truth around it is what I inherited my truth and how I actually want to relate to money yeah exactly yeah what about relationships how do you see relationships from a spiritual perspective well there was ones that I that a friend asked me I I cannot deal with this breakup that I should have. And how do you, how would you describe the way of transcending this? And I was like, well, when there's a proton and an electron, it's like so unromantic um but um basically the reason why everything exists is because of the interaction between positive and negative so everything that exists is magnetic so it has two poles is a polarity yeah and it cannot create or exist without polarity but also there's truth.
If you get stuck with this only polarity and you don't exchange or change the electrons around you, you would never create a molecule, which means transcend yourself into another existence. You will never transform yourself in another element.
So there's no alchemy and we use this word chemistry

yeah is there chemistry between of course it's all about chemistry it's all about how my molecules combine with your molecules and sometimes when there is a lot of protons sharing between one another we call it toxic so so if it's too much positivity in both sides, there is a toxicity in the environment. So too many protons in one only place.
So I see relationships as a way to combine and create new elements, new chemistry, new transformations and possibilities for experiences. But if you keep the same one in the same way and repeat exactly the same pattern constantly, well, you become a rock, not a human.
Yeah. There's no more aliveness.
Yeah. There's no more growth and evolution through it.
Exactly. And that's why we we need conflict that's why we need um changes that's why when someone grows spiritually and suddenly recognize who you are suddenly the first thing that you do is get divorced or separate look within start doing the work exactly because now you cannot relate with the same person yeah because Because that person was showing you a mirror of polarity that you needed in that moment,

but now you changed that polarity, so you cannot mirror anymore with that person.

So I think that when we start to understand that relationships are links to evolve.

Yes.

And not something to tide or avoid yeah um or be scared of yeah uh but uh something that helps us transcend and to be free because uh we are still believing that relationships are like marriages like oh we have it has to work and the only way it can work is if it lasts forever yeah and you live happy ever after yeah too much disney conditioning too much disney yeah um but that design is something that mainly was born in the middle east um it was a way of surviving yes um we've actually not been as a species to, we've not evolved that far from just being in marriages for survival purposes, because it was easier to work together and to, you know, survive in that way and have a family. And I like what you're saying.
And then this is very much about what I, what I speak to and teach as well as like relationships can be a path for, and a vehicle for spiritual evolution to see what we've not been able to see within ourselves. Yes.
To see ourselves and that contrast, the duality, right. And the challenges aren't bad, but they can be used to heal and grow stronger together.
If you choose, whether you choose to stay with them or not, it's still a mirror for a part of your, the part of yourself part of yourself and and i you know when i was i got a master's program in spiritual psychology and the third year i did optional which which is a health consciousness health and healing and i had a dream that felt more channeled and i woke up and i drew this beautiful drawing and it was kind of yin and yang without going into details about it but it was like your part of your work is to help people understand that the darkness isn't bad and a lot of darkness that I speak to is more about the void which is more like the pure potential the ground of well-being and I know you I would love to hear your thoughts and perspectives on good and bad um right and wrong to help wake people up out of some of the conditioned paradigm of that yeah well related to the relationships it's like when bad things start to happen we we tend to say it didn't work yeah but actually it worked that's right it gave you feedback exactly yeah because a relationship that doesn't work is actually showing you more growth than one that actually works because when when a relationship works is because you are you are balanced so you are in a moment of stability of your life but when you are transforming yourself it doesn't work because you need to move to keep on going yeah uh so so that perspective of oh it was a bad relationship yeah um no actually it helps you a lot the problem is

that we try to go back to the same thing to try to fix it like oh it didn't work last time so let's try it again let's try it again and we we are fixers by mind because our brain is designed to fix problems totally yeah fix problems all the time so so we we are trying to fix the other person yeah like oh it didn't work so maybe i if i fix him if i fix her or if i change myself then i can make it work exactly yeah and it's not exactly how it works like of course you have to transform yourself but not because it has to work for the other person yeah but because there is something that it doesn't resound with you.

So, oh, I have to tune myself in something different.

And this connects with the good or bad,

because nothing in the universe is actually good or bad.

In the universe is trying.

It's a test. It's like a laboratory.
Yeah. It's i have to try this oh didn't work like oh this doesn't tune right so um this doesn't sound properly but for example let's say um talking about music for someone that plays all the day i don't know crystal balls and meditate and sings mantras well heavy metal is not you know like the right thing like oh no that's bad but for heavy metal people it's like oprah yeah yeah so so what is good and what is bad what is out of tune and what is in tune?

Because some of the heavy metal singers know more about how to hold frequency than someone that is singing mantras. Yeah, totally.
So what is to be in tune? Yeah. So when you pay attention to that, you have to you start to understand that um the universe has also this test of what is out of tune what is in tune and darkness is actually the creator of reality so all the beauty that we see was designed by something that made light be trapped in a system because basically we are light but moving slower because darkness so darkness helped us exist darkness allowed this beauty to exist darkness is the one that cut the light of the divine and created a rainbow

like cut it in pieces like you can you can think about it as a war cutting you know like an angel in pieces but suddenly you have a rainbow yeah and beauty and beauty yeah and all the possibilities So when you think in those terms, suddenly darkness is actually a creator.

And when you think in those terms suddenly darkness is actually a creator and when you try to put it all together and to make white light again darkness will say hey what are you doing like if the colors were beautiful like it's like it's like going to an artist's house and try to clean it all and put away all the colors and saying it's good if everything is white. Yeah.
And I was like, because it's clean. Yeah.
And the artist would say like, what are you talking about? Like, I need to make a mess. I need to throw something.
I need to ruin my brushes, you know to to figure out things that i have never seen before so darkness is kind of that it's it's not against light because uh there is a war between light and darkness is against light because uh it's trying to divide light to produce more options and light is trying to always reminding darkness to find the harmony in all those options so we could be a team let's say like light is the parents that are telling the children you can do a mess but, but then you have to pick everything up. You have to put order in your room.
Like, it's okay if you play, but then organize everything. There's a space for all of it.
Exactly. Yeah.
But sometimes are the children that say that to the parents. So.
Yes. Coming back to accepting all of it.
Exactly. And I love what you're saying because, right right the mind is what constructs and divides good and bad you know right and wrong and yet from different points of view it's all it just is and so but i love that you keep talking about this being curious being honest with your own attunement and essentially saying yes to all of it i think that's such a beautiful way to live and

as we and what i'm hearing is as we come into living in coherence and harmony here and now yeah that supports more of that consciousness to live into in whatever other dimensions and and of course when when someone that never did the inner work of this darkness and light within listens to this one of the

main reactions that people has is like oh then I have to accept that there are pedophiles uh-huh or or killing or a war yeah and that's where I want to go good good i think it important. Because it's not about, oh, I have to accept it and do nothing.
Yes. Because when you work for the consciousness and the light, what is your job? To bring harmony.
And what is harmony? For everyone to be in harmony, coherently, and happy. Kind of happy.
of happy yeah yeah let's say in plenty um so when there is in the process of trying to discover a new way there is people that is unhappy out of tune disorganized so there comes the action of the people that wants to help them to find the harmony again their attunement exactly but and that's when we have to take actions that's why we are doing all this yeah that's right we're doing all this to try to avoid this kind of situations try to heal these kind of situations but if we are against these kind of situations we are never healing them i think a lot of people think acceptance means complacency. Yeah.
And acceptance is an internal, okay, this is what is. And if I argue with that, it doesn't change the past.
No. So internally saying, yes, this is what it is.
And externally taking action to support their attunement and healing. Yeah.
Rather than, and you know, there's choices and consequences in this life. We, you know, put people in jail jail if they're breaking the rules or but it's a lot of people that are traumatized continuing that and so how do we not add to that how do we come into harmony within ourselves and be a space to support more of that harmonization on a global level of course that's that's that's the thing It's okay.
If I stay at home complaining about, oh, there's darkness outside.

Yeah.

And I. that's that's that's the thing it's okay um if i stay at home complaining about oh there's darkness outside yeah and i don't go outside to bring harmony and i go outside to fight against it yes so what i'm doing is basically giving power to the opposite yeah and i make it i make the war bigger that's right and i think the most important work we can do is within our own consciousness first and as we live in coherence and clarity within ourselves that becomes a natural expression for how we live in the world no separation there's every every person that is doing something wrong yeah or out of tune which means they're making other people's lives out of tune, is because actually is a child that was not able to have an environment that taught them how to be in tune.
So every time that you see a person that is doing problems or or that is doing the evil yeah in the world the acceptance thing is to try to think how was their life when they were six five years old that's right so think about every children that are living a situation that um that for us today is like, oh, this child is suffering. Compassion.
But maybe in 20 years, that child will be a terrible person because of what happened when he's five. So all the people that we think, oh, they are terrible people, they actually might have had a very terrible childhood.

Oftentimes they did.

And when working as a therapist, the more I would hear somebody's story, the more I understood how they became the way that they are.

Again, I can have acceptance, compassion, but it doesn't mean I would condone a behavior.

And so I think people think I need to be in resistance and put somebody to jail or take action.

But it's like you can actually find harmony and peace inside of you. There's a place for the anger.
There is a place for our human experience to process that and then come into balance if we choose to so that we, anything we're giving out, we're actually experiencing. And then we can still take action and kind of, I think, shift the paradigms to shift that.
You know, and I don't know, I've, I've done an Akashic record reading with somebody and, and the more I do that work, I'm like, I don't know, maybe I was that, I have that same pattern in this life that I've played out unconsciously or in another life and who am I to judge? But I do, I do know that my life is to, to, to use everything for my growth and to come into peace, i don't know what their spiritual curriculum is and it's not my place to know exactly but if i'm in judgment i'm actually repeating the very thing that i'm judging them and doing in that moment projection work essentially you are nourishing that option in the universe yeah uh it's like For example, there many things like happening today with um i don't know like the war in the middle east for example and um today because everyone is talking about it they expect for me to say something about it and i'm not and the reason why is because i'm not gonna fulfill the need of someone yeah of me entering a ward that is not mine

my work is consciousness yeah it's not about deciding who is wrong who is right um so

and and this is this is in in in many topics many in many things that are happening in life people tend to go to the opposites yeah trying to think or believe that um whatever is wrong for them is wrong for everyone and there's a bigger picture happening yeah yeah but i really hear you staying true to your own uh autonomy and to what feels right for you and it doesn't mean because you're ending the war inside of yourself. I think that's, again, one of the most important things.
And some of us will feel called to, you know, support, support war in the middle East, support nature and, you know, like environmental other people will do work with, you know, I used to work as a psychotherapist. So we all have different callings and we can follow that.
But again, all comes back to starting within ourselves and clearing that division within us. And as you said, there is a conflict for each person.
So we cannot all be in all the conflicts. Because otherwise we wouldn't have a complete vision.
So you need people fighting for something. You need people talking about something.
You need people meditating about something. So we all complete the whole picture.
And today, well, today, no. All human history, we have been constantly acting as herds.
Running in the middle of the forest, trying to survive together. And if one thought differently, it was left behind.
And so that's why most of the people talk about things or support things that they don't understand. Because they're afraid that if they speak out or have a different experience, then they will not be accepted by your tribe.
And then you are left out and you die. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it runs deep in our nervous system. It's very ancient.
Yes. Yeah.
Seven years of the epigenetics, all of that. Yeah.
It's very ancient. It's like you've been in a cave.
It's not about school. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's very ancient. It's in your cells and your guts.
Something that you cannot escape is the subconscious. Yeah.
You can not even dominate it. You can learn about it and try to handle it by using the unconscious to become conscious.
Yes. And some people think that being conscious means to be a good person.
And or, yeah, these kind of things. Like today with social media and everything, there is a lot of conspiracy theories, for example.
I don't usually speak about them because I don't want to nourish that idea. And say, oh, so you are denying that happens.
No, I'm not denying them. yeah it's just that i don't want to feed your energy to it to give power to it this kind of leads me to where i want to shift the conversation a little bit to manifestation yeah and manifesting our full potential what is your perspective how do you support people in being conscious creators how do you how do you hold manifestation well uh i the word the the word manifestation also uh money and fest uh means uh to do a party with your hands yeah it's funny i love that to make a party with your hands like money festaesta.
So, also in Latin. So, what it means? It means that from your heart, you project and you create what is here.
I love that. So, manifestation requires coherence of feeling.
So you cannot manifest a reality if you don't fully believe within or sense and feel that that is actually true. So the coherence is the foundation again.
Yeah. Again, because the coherence is like the three notes to make a chord.
Yeah. And part of the work that i do is help people question their limitations or beliefs or somatically integrate the fear in their body so that they can come from a clean slate and accelerate manifestation of course and of course there are different types of manifestation um like i i've i've heard once that here in the States it was very powerful, a book or a movie.

The Secrets. Um, like I, I've, I've heard once that here in the States, it was very powerful, a book or a movie that secrets, the secret.
Yeah. The secret.
And a lot of people thought that just by thinking about it, they could have a car. Yeah.
I know. I know.
That's not how it works. It's not exactly how it works.
It was a good step. It made a lot of people start getting curious.
Yeah. It created a lot of, created a lot of uh of awareness about oh you can you are the creator of your own reality but there are many other laws of the universe that's right yeah that's right and um and again we come back to the design that you are like um let's say if you're a circle and you're trying to create a square it's's going to be complicated to fit it in your reality.
So when you understand who you are, you understand the tools that you have to manifest. And sometimes we follow the ways of others to manifest.
So we read a book and say, oh, this person teach me exactly how to manifest. And I do like i do my altar i do this and i put that

but maybe it's not working for you because you're a circle and i'm a square yeah you know and um so you have to find your own way of of creating the geometrical structure for that geometry that is around you to fit in and that requires to create your own so that's the manifestation coming it's like you have to take action and to create by your own self yes the shape of that reality uh because if you follow the mold of others you might not you're out of alignment yeah um because some people has a huge power of manifestation and some others needs to work harder like let's say something very simple um if you are a pisces you will manifest through dreaming going outside and getting lost in the city and not knowing where you are and suddenly you find someone that helps you and you manifested something beautiful but that's the pious way of doing it if you're a capricorn you have to work at least five years to accomplish something it's like your design requires time frustration tests uh to value yourself so so um if you are trying to manifest like a Pisces being a Capricorn, you will suffer because instead of just enjoying the walk, you will be thinking it's going to be in the next corner. How should I work? Maybe I should do this like first with the right foot or you know that too mental so um so we have different designs in how to manifest and by knowing ourselves we can actually yeah uh know better which one is our way yeah and i would also say doing the work to clear the subconscious misunderstandings or limitations also helps put us in alignment totally but i've been on this i'm becoming a joyologist this summer where i'm studying joy and what brings me aliveness talk to us about the importance of joy in manifestation yeah totally yeah totally because um when for example, it's a chemical reaction.
When you are happy, when you do things that makes you laugh, no matter what it is, you're sending a signal to your brain to generate specific hormones that will push your cells to react in one way or the other and just by laughing or smiling so it creates a complete different mindset because your neuron starts to perceive the reality in a different way it starts to to receive codes from the outside saying oh wait a moment something terrible is happening but this person is laughing somehow so the brain starts to receive codes from the outside saying, oh, wait a moment, something terrible is happening, but this person is laughing somehow.

So the brain starts to process what is happening as an opportunity instead of a limitation.

and and educating your brain to laugh and to enjoy yeah the process instead of suffering it and saying why it's never working for me why me and this kind of things uh it's like it's like um going to the gym for the brain that's right inner exercise you're training your consciousness to then and also with your laughing or you're smiling it tells your nervous system that you're safe, right? And that helps. And anytime we have a big emotional experience, whether positive or negative, quote unquote, your subconscious will take a screenshot of like, let me avoid that or let me create more of that.
So the more you're consciously choosing that, focusing on gratitude or joy, you experience that. You also tell yourself and yourselves that what you want is safe yeah totally i i had this experience of um in 2012 i was traveling around the world and i was so afraid and insecure of myself of what i was doing i wasn't i was accomplishing my mission but i wasn't fully believing in what i was what i was doing so i was afraid of sharing it yeah and so every time that someone wanted to make an interview to me i would say no i'm i'm afraid of the camera like like no no i don't uh so i was worried all the time about uh this is gonna kill me like um people will know that i don't trust myself like like these kind of

things like i was very worried about being filmed or interview about anything yeah and um and that same year uh i was kidnapped oh in paraguay in the middle of the forest by natives with arrows and and guns and everything. And there was one pointing in my head with this gun.
And one of my guides from the fifth dimension appeared in my side and leaned towards me softly and said, after this, the camera is nothing. And I started to laugh.
Because you made a joke in that that terrible situation but totally changed my perception of what was happening it was like oh now i'm not i'm not gonna be afraid of anything instead of right saying i'm gonna die how did i attract this why is this happening to me yeah yeah exactly i was like wait a moment like now i can talk to a camera it was it was different the perception was like i'm not afraid of a camera now instead of i'm gonna die yeah no kidding yeah that's incredible and we all have that choice how we hold it we we all have guides and guidance yeah um actually i would love for you to speak to that like for people that are struggling or in a hard situation can you talk to us about the unseen guidance or something that people the support that they can lean into if they're wanting to feel that in their life yeah well when we talk about interdimensionality we have to remember that we are all one thing and that one thing starts to to split to four five and so on and doubles itself for billions and billions so only one being become billions of beings trillions and trillions or whatever eternity of beings that are only one but all of them observe the reality from different points of view yeah so sometimes what we call a guide or a master is just ourselves observing ourselves from a different dimension so it's not separate beings that are guiding us it's just ourselves observing us from a different point of view. But they cannot speak directly because they don't have the experience of what is this.
So the only way I can interact with them is if I open myself to recognize that I am them. Beautiful.

Not that there's other people that I have to hear or see.

Yeah.

It's actually myself.

And that's with everything and everyone, not just the guides.

Yeah.

Exactly.

With everything.

Yeah.

So in those terms, everything can speak to you.

Suddenly a plant can be a master. A stone can tell you things.
A wall can tell you things. I used to speak with everything in my home, like the door, the glasses, because a glass is made of sand, and the sand was in a beach, and it has the sea and the transformation of the river and the mountain and so there are so many frequencies and and information everywhere that when you realize that you are also that and that your cells in order to be a cell needed silica to shape the cell and the silica is also in the sand that created the glass so suddenly you are silica yeah so you can speak with silica and you can speak with the mountain just by being the mountain so it's not about I hear voices or there's someone talking to me it's about me allowing

myself to be be in the mountain. So it's not about I hear voices or there's someone talking to me.
It's

about me allowing myself to become. So the less I identify with, the more I am.
Exactly. And so

the less the like reference point is a single self body mind opening awareness to the larger

truth of what we are, then we wake up to being all of it. Yeah.
There's so much. I mean, I could talk to you forever.
This is one of the most fascinating, enlightening, heartfelt conversations I think I've ever had. There's ways that you can weave in spiritual dimensions and perspectives, which I hang out less in.
I'm really most interested in enlightenment and waking up to the truth of who and what I am.

And there's a way that you can articulate it

that's fresh and innovative and clear.

And so I just want to thank you for that.

Thank you.

And I want to ask you one last question.

Is there something that we are not exploring

or a question that we're not asking that we should be

that would really change

everything for us um maybe yeah well of course there are many things but um It's related to the mistake.

There is something that has been mistaken in the universe and that we don't usually think about and and it's holding everything. And it's just a tiny little mistake that we give for granted and it's maybe not philosophical it's something hidden that it's very difficult to rasp or even question but I would say we have this thing of oh things are.
And then in spirituality we say there are no mistakes. And one of the reasons why I say this is because one of the things that I could connect with was how can a mistake know that it's a mistake if its very nature is to be a mistake and from that there are many things to dive in that opens a whole other aspect which is outside of this universe and it's a very complicated thing because it's outside the laws of this universe so i think that's a very thing that we don't usually um that we are not asking uh somehow that there seems to be a mistake that is so perfect that it doesn't look like that it looks perfect yeah and now can you be more like explicit about it can you share like if it were if i were a fifth grader uh well it's it's like you created um the most perfect lego castle and it's like, wow, it's a perfect Lego castle.
That it says that has a hundred, like a billion pieces. And you have one in your hand, but it's perfect.
So what is this? Why, if I put everything where it was supposed to be, what am I doing with this and with one that is missing? There's one missing in the whole thing, and I don't know what the castle can become if I put it, but I don't know where it goes. So I get the analogy but I don't get the practicality.
That's why we never talked about it. So is the mistake in our thinking or an identity? No, no.
It's not even from this world. So that's why it's like something that it's a very philosophical thing that is the basis of all existence.
So it's not something that is practical in our daily life. That's for sure.
But it's something that is coming more often. And I am trying to figure out what it means somehow.
Like, I think a lot of people is into that now, doing kind of that question. I don't know how, but yeah.
It sounds like you're currently working on discovering and articulating what this is to be able to share with people. Is that right? Yeah.
Because there are many, many stories that I have been sharing about it, but I didn't go deeper into them because I don't understand them. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.
Because maybe it's outside the realm of mind. maybe or not okay well to be it sounds like a very it sounds mysterious yeah it's another episode another episode to be continued for the cosmos yeah let's do it let's definitely do it yeah when you have more that you articulate around it and you dive deeper into it yeah of course yeah i but i thank you for just the courage it has taken to speak your truth and to share with people your experience, to remind us of connecting back with our own truth and to live in harmony and in resonance with our words, thoughts, and actions.
I'm really taking that away and thank you for your presence in this world and on this podcast. Thank you.
I appreciate you. Thank you for doing your purpose.
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