The 4 Stages of Spiritual Awakening + Secrets to Manifestation with Michael Beckwith | EP 48

I teach people to be intentional and not allow the world to determine your mood or your attitude.

You get to determine that.

You know, so people have this negative bias about all the stuff going wrong and they'll get into bad mood before they even walk out the door.

You know?

Oh my god, I got to go do this today.

Oh, I'm going to bump into that person.

You know, they already set it up.

Yeah.

But you can actually design vibrationally your day, your week, your life.

Yeah.

So oftentimes people get into the law of attraction, but they would separate themselves from what they were trying to attract.

It's out there.

Yes.

I'm going to attract that to it.

Yes.

Oh, this is so important for people to hear.

I just want to highlight, double-click on what you're saying.

Yeah.

Yeah, people would want to attract it to them, but they're saying they don't have it.

Uh-huh.

And that I'm separate from it.

I'm separate from it.

But when you realize the law of attraction is a linguistic convenience for feeling that it's already happening.

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Today, we're going to dive into the four stages of consciousness and how to shift your perspective to open to a whole new level of freedom.

And so, in this episode, we'll break down why what's meant for you will never pass you, share practical exercises to enhance your ability to manifest, and unpack how money is a spiritual path.

I have the honor of sitting down with Michael Beckwith, who is one of Oprah's Super Soul Sunday 100 group.

He's also a best-selling author, an influential spiritual voice, and the founder of Agape Center.

He's literally transformed the lives of of millions globally.

And today he's here to share his wisdom, knowledge, and insights to support you.

I just want to start off with talking about one of the most profound things I think I've ever heard.

And it came from you, where you talk about your four stages of spiritual awakening, four levels of consciousness.

It blew my mind.

It's so clear.

I find it so helpful.

And I would love if you're open just to sharing a bit about what the four stages are and so that people can get a context for how this looks in the practical absolutely those particular stages emerged.

I was a faculty at a metaphysical university and one of the students this is years ago raised her hand and said there seems to be a contradiction in the book.

I said what do you mean?

She says one part of the book says you can visualize it and you can have it all.

Other part of the book talks about surrender.

She said, I said it's not a contradiction.

And I walked up to the blackboard at the time and I said, they're not contradictions, they're stages.

I said the first stage is the victim stage, where we think something is happening to us.

That's called to us.

I said the second stage is the manifester stage.

It's called by us, where you learn to use your mind properly, your thoughts, your conversations, et cetera, et cetera, visualization, to actually begin to create the kind of world you want to live in.

The third stage is through us,

where once you've done a tremendous amount of work on stage two,

your subconscious changes and you find yourself in the zone more.

You find yourself in flow motion.

You know, it's a flow that happens.

So something is operating through you.

And the fourth stage is a state of being, where it's operating as you.

So it just came out of my mouth.

Yeah.

You know, the four stages like that.

And then I began to,

when I started my spiritual center in 1986,

before that, I used the stages to birth the vision process.

Now, those two stages are delineated.

Stage one and two is from your personality.

Stage three and four is your soul, your super soul self, your real self operating.

And so

we don't demonize the personality.

It's a wonderful lampshade.

It's a wonderful.

But the super soul self, the real self, is unadulterated by time or space.

It's untouched by it.

And that begins to take over.

So those were the four how it came into being.

And then of course it's been,

you know, I've added more to it.

I have a book on it.

And it keeps redefining itself at higher and higher levels.

But many people, such as yourself, will point back to those stages and say, that changed my life.

It gave me a framework.

Yes.

to work from.

Yeah, it's really so clean.

And I feel like more people would be confused around through you and as you.

Can you share a little bit of the distinction for, just to help people land that distinction?

Absolutely.

Through you, you're a channel.

You're a vehicle.

You're an opening.

You're a place

through which life, by whatever name you choose to call it, is expressing through you.

People have shared about being in the zone or they may have been planning something and then something takes them over, takes them beyond their plans.

And then that's closely aligned with the state of being where the line of demarcation dissolves, and you realize you're it.

There's no other, you are an emanation of the only life that there is.

So that sense of separation dissolves.

So some people have moments of that, you know, where they suddenly they realize they're one with that tree.

They're one with the individual in front of them, one with all the life, they're one with earth.

There's no separation.

Yeah.

You know, as within, so without, it's all the same.

So

for many people, that doesn't last a long time, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Yeah.

Changes your whole trajectory and intention.

It's everything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I, and I've, you know, there's, I would say, no judgment in any of the stages.

No, no.

And they're not linear.

Yes, exactly.

You know, it's like in one area of your life, you can probably, you may feel victimized.

Another area of your life, you may feel like a master.

Yeah.

You know, and so it's not, it's not a, it's a dance.

Yeah.

I'm even, you know, even the story or the feeling of victimization could come up, and it could be stage four where it's not me feeling it, it's just energy expressing.

Oh, yeah.

So there's, now just as we're talking, I'm seeing kind of the connection with those.

Well, basically,

the mystery of our being beyond the conditioned self is able to witness all of that.

Yeah.

And you can actually see sadness.

You can see regret.

You can see

all of it and not try to interfere with it.

And through observation of it,

you know, anything we observe changes on a subatomic level, just based on observation, it begins to change.

Yeah.

You know, but you're not identifying with it by trying to get rid of it.

That's right.

Or trying to enhance it.

That's right.

I always say that if you want to get stuck with something, judge it and identify with it.

Absolutely.

So then the opposite is true.

Absolutely.

I remember when I was, just to give a story around stage three and four, kind of vacillating in consciousness between those two, I was designing my certification program.

So I train and teach coaches.

And I have never felt more spiritual support for anything in my life there was so much light on my back pouring through and that was more the surrender letting go and then there was moments of like the

no separation right and yet I was fully showing up in my humanity fully showing up in the the co-creation of it the I mean co-creation would be stage three you know beyond that was just it all happening.

Yes.

And that's where the surrender came and it was so enlivening.

And I've been wanting people to talk about, and we'll talk about this in a moment, but awakened doing, really not getting caught, you know, honoring both.

But one other frame that I found really helpful, and you've probably heard of this, is content and context.

And so

it's all what I'm saying.

Yeah, exactly.

Absolutely.

Exactly.

And for people that are new to this framework, it's like the analogy is like the context is the projector, is the screen, is awareness, our spiritual nature.

Whereas the content is the images, the stories.

And a lot of people get so caught in the sensations, the stories, the identifications that we lose the context, the projector, the screen.

And when we realize that that's real freedom is waking up to the context that there is a freedom here, no matter what thoughts, what sensations underneath all of that, the stressful...

beliefs and emotional reactions

there's peace right and it doesn't matter if it's a sad movie or a happy movie, the peace underneath it is always accessible by accepting whatever it is.

It leads us to opening to that.

Acceptance and embracing.

Yes.

Without pushing away.

I often use the analogy of the ocean, which is primarily water, and then that's the context.

Content, plankton, seaweed, fish, human pollution, boats.

And the moment you, when a person begins to realize, as you were just talking, that they're not the content, they're actually the context that's the beginning of awakening yeah and so you don't deny that there's content there yes but the content is passing through your consciousness yeah which is context yeah yeah it's so helpful it's like when I'm not identified as the wave I wake up to the entire ocean absolutely and that's the freedom yes and that's available for anyone in any moment absolutely I'm so I love that and so I'm so happy that thank you for that framework I think it's so profound and powerful and I really appreciate a very grounded spirituality where most people listening are having families, they have dreams and visions, and they're very much in the world and wanting to live a deep, truthful, you know, clear, conscious life.

And so back in the day, I started writing a book called Stillness and Stilettos, having a foot involved.

It's like honoring both equally, the form and formless.

And for me, what's been true is when I pendulum, I used to do a lot of silent retreats.

And then I pendulumed I wanted to know my my I wanted to sink my teeth into all of life and know myself as all of it which is more stage four I didn't have that concept yet but then I swung pretty hard into business and kind of got lost a little bit in some of the illusions which I think is part of combing through I'm curious if you've had any experience with that pendulum of you know

kind of moving from stage three to four and if there are common things or anything you can speak to that to kind of shed more light on.

Because, you know, one of the bigger things is like, for is questioning who I think I am,

letting the less I identify with, the more I am.

And so it's more of a removal.

Right.

And which is what spiritual growth is.

Exactly.

It's elimination of something.

It's not adding anything to ourselves.

Yes.

Yeah.

And yet it can get real sometimes, you know, like managing a team of 48 or, you know, being a parent on all the things.

All of that.

All of that.

Marriage, parenting, grandparenting, running a business, being an entrepreneur, being in that world, but to be of a higher frequency.

Now, I remember years ago when I woke up, I had my first awakening as an adult,

I was so ephemeral, I was so out of the body, so to speak,

that I was like...

Human beings fascinated me.

It was like, wow, they're chasing money

and they're chasing all these things that are not that important.

And I was way out.

I was unintegrated.

You know, what I was having a direct experience of was real,

but I was in the process of integrating and embodying.

And so then one day I was sitting in my living room and

I needed some money.

Yeah.

You know,

and

I said,

what do you want me to do like that?

And the phone rang.

And this woman called me and she said, we went to high school together.

I I saw your picture in the annual.

Your phone number was under it.

God told me to call you that you could help me.

I hadn't seen her since high school.

And I said, really?

So we began to counsel.

She was telling me her deep, dark secrets of her life.

I would pray for her.

She started referring people to me.

People were calling and being around me for healings and things like that.

This is pre me going to school, getting degrees and all that.

You know, I mean, metaphysical stuff.

And

one day,

I saw her in a restaurant.

I had never seen this person.

It was all on the phone.

Yeah.

And I shouted out her name and she looked at me and she ran away

because the anonymous voice on the phone was okay to talk to, but actually seeing me.

Point being, when I said, what do you want me to do?

The universe put me into service.

Yes.

So that I would be in service

and then money flowed.

You know, money's the shadow of love.

You can't outrun your shadow.

So when you're really into your love ethic of service, money will follow and you'll develop the proper structures in order for that to happen.

So you're in the world, but as a spiritual being having a human incarnation, you have come to radiate, to shine, to give, to contribute.

You haven't come to get anything.

There's nothing to get.

But you have come to...

You can use the word manifest, you can use the word

out picture, you can use the word, you know, condense something into time.

But you're in this world and then all of these structures that you've indicated, the family structure,

the business structure, they're like little workshops by which you get to work on judgment, forgiveness, compassion, generosity, creativity,

you know,

all of those are structures for you to actually have a feedback loop

to see how you're doing and to make those inner adjustments.

Yeah, it's like a mirror, right?

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Yeah, I think about one of the areas that I was calming through in my life was money because I felt anything that contracts us can free us if we use it that way.

Like those, those

points of tension are breadcrumbs to our freedom.

And so money was a big one.

And I think culturally, through our family lineage, our own personal experiences, we can, and I like talking about money and supporting people and getting free because there's so much unconsciousness around it, but to come into alignment with what feels true in our heart based and combing through some of the illusions and misunderstandings we've inherited

so that we can come into right relationship with money or relationship or whatever the current trigger is right and and it sounds like one of the things that you're saying is that

in part of your story is like the surrender could the that's part of the game so it's like when you have a deeper trust and an intelligence that is organizing all of life the planets and the stars right just like your life there's a deeper level to trust and to take the next step and to do the psychological work to clear the misunderstandings that come up and the traumas and all the things you've inherited energetically, those codes you've inherited from your family and ancestors.

Yeah, you get to clear that up.

And in talking about money, money is an energy exchange.

It's currency.

You know, and it's,

I often talk about freeing the promise in the promissory note to circulate.

You know, so it's all about circulation.

And when there is stagnation, then there's there's an issue.

You know, whenever, like we live in a a culture where there's a lot of hoarding.

Yeah.

You know, people have a lot of money and it doesn't even circulate.

Yeah.

It's just like, I want to be a billionaire.

I want to have 10 billion.

I want to have 180 billion.

Yeah.

You know, but it doesn't circulate.

That creates an issue.

You know, but when it circulates properly,

you know, then abundance just shows up everywhere.

It's a reflection of our consciousness, what we're holding.

Right.

And so to be able to heal some of the fear-based traumas that we've put on money, projected onto money, that circulation, I guess, is a result of it.

Absolutely.

I had a client one time.

He's a very wealthy man.

And

his desire was to write a book.

I mean, he was extremely wealthy, you know.

And so I said, why don't you write a book?

And he says, well, my wife doesn't want me to quit

my business because she's afraid.

So I said, bring your wife here.

So we sat down, and he brought in his portfolio of how much money he has.

You know, he owned all these businesses downtown and buildings and millions and millions of dollars.

She, on the other hand, had inherited millions and millions of dollars.

So together,

they never had to work a day in their life.

Just interest alone was millions of dollars.

So I shouldered to her.

I said, what do you I said this is a fear that has nothing to do with the money you have.

You have some kind of fear here around it, scarcity.

You're living in scarcity even though you have millions of dollars.

Anyway, his name was Lloyd.

He never quit his business, entrepreneurship.

He ended up making his transition without doing his heart's desire.

And I always, it fascinated me

that

he was living a life of scarcity even though his bank account was full of money.

So scarcity, that's a consciousness.

That's right.

It has nothing to do with money.

And there are people around the world who don't have a lot, but live in big abundance.

They have their needs met.

They love their families.

They have a great time.

You know, they're not sitting on a billion.

Yeah.

But they have their needs met.

Yeah.

I mean, I know I heard stories like that.

I'm like, yeah, but I'd still like to have money.

I remember at one point.

And for me, when I finally found a way.

Well, you live in a Western world, you need a little money.

A little bit, right?

And to have a healthy relationship with it.

And for me, when I found a way to share my gifts, being of service, doing what I loved, that was priceless.

No one could take that away.

And I knew the level of value I was offering and that money would just be a mirror to that.

And so, but I also noticed I had to heal the giving and receiving, the channel coming in and out around money.

It was a little bit different work, but really helpful to do as an entrepreneur and as a yeah.

What was what was the which which one was the challenge, the giving or the receiving?

For me, it was around the spending.

My dad used to be a financial advisor, and so I learned to save, but unconsciously, I thought spending was bad.

Ah, it didn't circulate.

Uh-huh.

And so then I was, so I had to really look at

my

stories of,

for a while, it was like, oh, once I start making money, it'll change.

It didn't.

You know, but I have to do it.

It didn't.

And you have to actually still do the work.

You have to go through the fear.

You have to do it.

I watch people that say, well, when I get a certain amount of money,

I'm going to give to this and I'm going to share with this.

I said, no, you're not.

That's right.

If you don't develop that habit,

then when you get money, you're going to hoard it.

That's right.

You're not going to circulate.

That's right.

Because you got to work with a fear underneath that.

Absolutely.

And so sometimes, and what I I love about coaching is that sometimes just starting where you are now, even if it's whatever percentage, when I give, when I'm making more, whatever it is, it's like, let's start with 15 or 10% of giving.

And that will grow as you make more.

And as you commit to doing that, all the stuff that has blocked you from actually doing it comes up so that then you can clear it.

And be healed.

That's right.

And then now you have muscles.

You have a muscle that's already built in to share, to give, to celebrate.

Absolutely.

Yeah, and to be compassionate with our humanity, the part that is scared, the part that has scarcity.

We don't need to identify with it.

It's just a pattern of things.

It's like a baby, just rocking.

So innocent.

So innocent.

And one of the things I like to do, I call it insourcing, insourcing safety.

To really be with that misunderstanding or to be with the part that's scared and offer connection.

From there, it's easier to give.

The heart wants expression.

It wants out.

Your whole soul wants to express.

Yeah.

That's you know,

I call it your super soul self, you know, which you're not separated from, that wants to know itself as your life.

Its total frequency is sharing

and giving and unfolding and becoming and expressing more and more of itself.

And when we align with that,

that's the source, then all the things we've inherited from the family tree.

Yeah.

We become more identified with that which is not traumatized.

And then it helps heal the part that is traumatized and you flow.

That's right.

That's right.

I talk about it in my certification program as essence and ego.

So essence embracing ego.

Let's talk about the, I'm just curious, the qualities of essence.

How would you define the qualities of essence?

We can get a sense.

The dominant quality is love.

You know, obviously there's peace.

Peace is not an absence of conflict.

Peace, I call it the dynamic of harmonizing good.

It emanates from your being just like love does.

You have beauty, you have intelligence, you have harmony.

and all of these qualities emanate from the oneness of love, which is a total givingness of itself without any sense of withhold, that's conscious of itself, that knows itself, and wants to know itself as us,

as unique expressions of it.

Yeah, you see.

And there's that joy of creation and giving.

And from stage four, it's not even a giving because

it's just irradiate.

Yeah, there's no connection because it's not separate.

It's itself.

Absolutely.

Beautiful.

I'm curious, because you've been in the game for a while, being a spiritual leader and voice in the community.

What are some of the most common misunderstandings you see people have around spirituality or spiritual awakening?

Today I'd probably say that unconsciously people are still like reaching outside of themselves.

They're using the right language.

Yeah, yes.

But they don't have the music yet.

So they're still reaching out rather than coming into an awareness that what you're looking for is already here, you know, and you sit with that.

And good exercises are just to remember moments in your life where you actually felt peace, or you actually felt that all of your needs were met.

Now, that felt sense is still active here.

So, if you place your attention there and hang out there for periods of time,

it becomes more than memory.

You're now activating and remembering a part of your being.

But people still, particularly in the Western world, because the religiosity of the Western world has this man-god up there with the beard that's calling shots and it reminds people of Santa Claus.

You know what I mean?

If you're good, I'm going to give you this.

And so it's kind of an unconscious

way that we've been traumatized by religion.

So we're always trying to appease or please this external deity, and that doesn't exist yeah you know it's pure spirit light love everywhere that's conscious and so the idea is to keep having inner awareness that it's already here yeah and it's you yeah

and so that that and sneaks in because sometimes i'll i'll tell people um okay close your eyes now i want you to um think about something you want

go into a feeling tone that it's that it's happening.

Okay, how many people think,

I haven't raised their hand, many people think this is really going to happen.

You know, they'll raise their hand, and I'll say, I just tricked you.

You know, it's not going to happen.

It just did happen.

It's happening.

You have to hold that space.

And then that compels you into right action.

Your actions become an extension that it's already happening.

You're not manipulating people.

You're not trying to convince

external circumstances to change.

You are the fiat.

You are the energy of it.

And it changes your speech, your behavior, and your actions become an expression of,

huh, it's happening.

Yeah, it's almost like it's using a memory to tune into the frequency.

I also think manifestation is this, where we pretend, we're like, okay, it's happening, you feel that.

And then it's like, oh, even without the thing happening, the vibration of it is still here.

It's not being a victim to the goal.

Absolutely.

Because

the universal law, it doesn't know Spanish, doesn't know English,

it only knows frequency.

It hears your vibration and it matches that.

So you can say all the right words.

But if the music isn't there, there's no manifestation.

You see?

Yeah, and years ago, so I was 23 and I was going to a master's program in spiritual psychology.

And I

was really diving deep into my spiritual exploration, but I was also working in a bar and I was, you know, making my way.

And I remember I was, these were very different lifestyles for me.

And I remember not to judge myself at that time because if I had judged it, I would be further stuck, right?

And I would literally go to bed at 4 a.m.

from doing bottle service.

I would sleep a few hours, drive from San Diego to Los Angeles to go to Agape, your spiritual community.

And I had a foot in two worlds, but very different.

And I felt like I was stretched.

But I was also later, I worked at a spiritual, as a spiritual counselor in an addiction center.

And I really got not to judge where I was, but to focus on where I was going.

And in the value of that, I knew that it would be more graceful in the transition.

So anybody that's like feeling lost or this isn't where I want to be, like really letting yourself,

it's okay wherever you're at.

And as you focus on where you're moving, there will be an energy that pulls you through.

Absolutely.

And kind of what you were saying is this tuning fork of feeling into that vibration and that energy.

And

I remember one of the experiences that you led at Agape was a manifestation process.

And I had just driven up to LA to look at places that I could rent.

I was really depressed because they were not what I could afford in San Diego.

And one of the processes you had us do with a manifest, I set the intention to find the perfect location, the perfect new home for me.

And at the end of

service, I went out and I connected with a few acquaintances that I knew from school, not very well.

And one girl was like, what are you doing here?

I said, I'm looking for an apartment.

She said, I have a second bedroom.

Would you like to go see it?

I ended up moving and she became my best friend for 10 to 15 years, one of the most powerful relationships of my life.

We traveled the world together, went to school.

And it was from this manifestation process that you did, which I loved.

It really, one of the things I love about agape and your community is it's such a high vibe and you're inviting people to raise their frequency like you're talking about.

And I think that accelerates manifestation.

Oh, absolutely.

And so I'm curious, like, are there other things that practices or principles that people can incorporate to help accelerate manifestation?

Absolutely.

You probably know, you know,

you know, how you go to bed, how you go to, how you wake up in the morning.

Extremely important.

You know, the idea is you're in the hypnagogic state.

And so why not use that time?

Yeah.

Right before you go to sleep.

Just get into the feeling tone of what you're calling forth in your life.

Feel that it's already happening.

If you want to add some visualization to it, you can.

But you go to sleep in that dynamic.

You don't go to sleep in

ruminating of all the bad things that happen.

Or scrolling on an Instagram.

You forgive everything.

Yes.

You get into the space and you go to sleep.

When you wake up, this is very important because a lot of times people's, our mind has a kind of a negative bias.

Yes, and it'll look for the negative things, it'll project worst-case scenarios into the day.

As a safety strategy, yeah, it's like I don't want to get hurt to this person, I'm going to see this person, I know I'm not going to like this person, I'm going to protect myself against their vibe, whatever.

You know, so instead of doing that, you come into a state of gratitude.

And one of the things that I do is

I'll lay in the bed and I scan my body from the bottom of my feet to the top of my head, put into total relaxation, and then I'll say something like, you know, I'm so grateful I'm so fulfilled I am now choosing the timeline in which and then I'll describe what is trying to manifest I'm choosing the timeline in the field of infinite possibilities where I'm totally prosperous where my ideas are manifesting with ease and with grace and everything is unfolding perfectly I will choose to live in that field

because it's already existing yes yes it already exists yeah So I choose to live there now.

Then I wake up, put my feet on the ground, and I go into a state of gratitude.

Thank you.

And then

I surrender to life.

And then I say, Give me all the strength I need to handle my assignments for today.

That's just when I wake up.

That's not even my meditation.

That's not even the water I drink and the smoothie I make later and the exercise when I go to the gym.

That's just

getting out of bed.

Yeah.

You know, so I teach people to be intentional

and not allow the world to determine your mood

or your attitude.

You get to determine that.

Yeah.

You know, so people have this negative bias about all the stuff going wrong, and they'll get in a bad mood before they even walk out the door.

You know?

Oh my God, I got to go do this today.

Oh, I'm going to bump into that person.

You know, they already set it up.

Yeah.

But you can actually design vibrationally your day,

your week,

your life.

And it's not manipulation, it's not magical thinking.

It's just opening yourself up to what's already happening at the meta level and let it flow through you.

But it takes

what I call discipline until it becomes a bliscipline.

You know, that's a word I coined many years ago that you have a discipline.

Discipline comes from the word that means to love.

So you're doing something you love.

Yeah, you're remembering what's important.

Yeah.

If you love music and you learn how to play the piano, you love it so much that you practice every day until music starts to play through you.

So you have a spiritual discipline and then life starts to play through you.

You know, things happen.

You don't even plan it.

Yeah, I love that.

It's almost like giving people their power back, the remote control.

Totally.

To say, you get to choose the movie, the station that you're tuning into, not be a victim to the circumstance.

You have dominion over your energetic field and what you're placing your attention on.

And I think that would be even more powerful from people stage one to two, things happening to me versus things happening for me.

Really using everything for our awakening, for our healing and evolution.

Absolutely.

And

it's stage two, which is for us and by us, that's real work.

Yeah.

You know, because you're actually looking at your mind.

You know, my podcast, Take Back Your Mind, you're looking at it.

You're seeing the thoughts, the opinions, the points of view, the perceptions, the positionalities.

But most of that stuff you didn't put there.

That's somebody else programming.

Or you had an interpretation of an experience that formed an opinion in a point of view.

And so then that perception creates experience.

And your experience is an artifact.

It's actually an artifact of a point of view.

But as you watch it

and you start to wake up, Now you're at choice point.

You go from reaction to actually choosing.

Human, you activate your potential.

Yeah.

You start to choose it.

Yeah.

You know?

So choice is a function of expanded awareness from the work you've done in stage two.

Yeah, because we can't control what happens, but we can control how we hold it inside of ourselves and if we use that for our growth and freedom.

Yes.

And that's so empowering to teach people.

I think most of society is moving from stage one to two.

Happens to you, happens for you.

I saw Kevin Hart talk to Jay-Z on his podcast saying it's not happening to you, it's happening for you.

Oh, yeah.

I've watched a lot of these people.

I love it.

They're picking up on the

stream.

It's exciting because then they're also role models for a lot of different people.

Absolutely.

And this collective awakening, I think it's really important.

And sometimes suffering and challenges have an intelligence in us to redirect.

Oh, human beings only grow two ways, through crisis or through insight.

Through pain and suffering or insight.

Just only two ways.

Absolutely.

Now,

what I'd love about it, because you know, you said I've been doing this for a long time.

Yeah.

So when I go back years ago, this was woo-woo.

I know.

You know, and I was like, you know, agape was a no-fly zone.

You don't go there.

That guy's crazy.

Yeah.

You know,

I was demonized in a lot of circles.

Yeah.

You know, but now this is a normal conversation.

It's exciting.

Yeah.

Epigenetics, quantum physics,

mapping or using a different language for the same things that we're saying.

Yeah.

So it's all exciting to me.

It's all I'm very enthused about.

And thank you for helping pave the way.

I remember back in the day when I was I started getting into the more shamanic world when I was 12 and I was considered moon girl or weird and you know and it's now you know and people would they'd be like how did you have a drink and you meditate or you know it's like it these things are more common and so I'm so happy about that and it's it's exciting that people are actually committing to the work to do it for themselves.

I think that's the best way we can help evolve.

Yeah, you take back your power.

power uh-huh yeah yeah and then and then collectively as we we all start to dream a different dream you know because right now when you look at

governments politics

people

there's no central voice speaking a big vision yeah you know it's not there yeah so it has to happen at the level of our communities yes our spiritual communities i like to say there's really only one authentic spiritual community but it's in many locations

you know but as we are all tuning in to the frequency of oneness wholeness etc

you know we're literally changing the landscape landscape of the world yes even if it's not on the 11 o'clock news yes yes and i think business and entrepreneurship has plays a really big role as well big role yeah and so in and part of oneness is saying yes to all of life's expressions it's oneness includes everything greed grey grief all everything i know there was a point where i hit up against my own spiritual evolution where i hit up against arrogance, feeling like I was special and that I knew more.

People have to go through that.

You have to go through it.

But I was so disgusted, Michael, by it that I stopped spiritual practices for a little while.

I was like, oh.

You got afraid of your ego.

And I really identified with it in that moment rather than being like, oh, okay, that's just part of the one.

That's just another expression of life looking to be met with acceptance and seen as part of the divine.

That there's even the spiritual ego is divine without identifying with it, without judging it, just part of how life is.

It's part of a process.

Yeah.

You know, the ego has gotten a bad rap,

but the ego has made sure that this experiment called spiritual being having human incarnation could survive.

Yeah.

So it was protective.

It doesn't know that much about the unknown.

So it wants to keep you in your

limited perception, personality, et cetera.

And so egotistic, you know, it can become selfish and protective.

Me, mine, I'm right, you're wrong.

But after a while, as we evolve, it doesn't run the show.

It's still going to give you some level of protection.

Don't eat that.

That's poison.

But it doesn't run the show anymore.

And then the spiritual ego comes in.

I'm special.

I'm different from other people.

That runs a little wild.

It creates separation from other people.

And then...

you start to live more from your soul ethic, your soul essence.

And then you observe the ego.

So there it is.

It's like an innocent little kid.

It's a stage of evolution.

It's like kindergarten, like nothing to judge.

There's a beautiful friend of mine who is a very clear teacher named Locke Kelly.

He has a frame, which I think you might enjoy.

He talks about waking up, waking down, waking out.

And it's like, oh, yeah, you were talking about this.

You were waking up into, and my own experience of like, I am awareness.

I am the observer.

As if the observer was another now separate entity from what was being observed, rather than the observer and the observing collapsing, the observer and the observed collapsing.

Yeah.

And so part of, you know, just honoring wherever people are in their own unfolding, like it's all divine.

It's all part of.

kindergarten, fifth grade.

It's part of the process.

Sometimes we jump.

It's not necessarily linear.

Right.

And to, you know, the waking up, I am

more, you know, I am more than my body and mind in more of the spiritual dimension.

And then waking down,

I have a body-mind.

You have it, even though I'm more than it.

And then this

as an instrument.

Yes, and to have a healthy relationship with this.

And then this waking out, more of this awakened doing, keeping the heart and mind clear and open in a very engaged way.

I've been waiting for a cartole or someone to write a book about awakened doing.

Maybe you're too.

I think I'm being schooled in it.

If you're waiting for it, that means your soul is saying, Okay, it's time for you to say what you have to say about it.

It's been initiation, business specifically.

We're like, okay, and how, and to me, that's really important.

We just had Byron Kitty on the podcast.

And what I love about both of you is it's practical, engaged, everyday spirituality.

It's not this like monastic life, now I'm free,

which isn't real freedom.

That's freedom from, rather than freedom to my entire humanity.

All of it.

Yes.

Being human is so precious and so wonderful.

There's a wonderful story about,

it might be in the Buddhist context, I'm not sure,

but it is said that if a turtle

were to go underwater and pop its head up every 1,000 years into an inner tube,

The odds of that turtle coming up in that inner tube is greater than having a human incarnation.

That that's how precious the human incarnation is on this earth.

It is so precious.

So to explore all of our humanity and to allow the essence of our soul to have full sway through our humanity, it's a precious, magnificent experience.

So we don't want to block any of it.

Totally.

And what a sacred perspective to hold that as a gift.

And yeah, sometimes it's really challenging.

And to really honor that, to allow that to be part of it.

And my experience is when I accept the challenge, ironically, I transform it.

I move through it.

Oh, absolutely.

It will not transform without acceptance.

Observing, acceptance, embracing transformation.

Yes, yes, yeah.

And talk about forgiveness a bit, because forgiveness is a form of acceptance, right?

We can't change what had happened.

You know, when you're coming out of victim, every victim has a blame story.

I'm not happy because because my parents got a divorce.

I'm not, you know, my school teacher said I couldn't sing, whatever.

So, in order to come out of victimhood, you have to forgive.

You have to, and all forgiveness is self-forgiveness because you're releasing the toxicity of resentment, animosity, whatever, from your own soul, from your own psyche, your own subjective mind, even though somebody may have done something.

You're not denying that.

But to hold on to that, I call unforgiveness a high form of self-abuse.

You're abusing yourself,

but you're using that person to abuse yourself.

So when you enter fully into forgiveness, you become free.

You cut the emotional bonds with that other individual.

You don't condemn them.

You don't hate them.

You're just cutting yourself free and you set everybody free to heal.

But it's necessary.

And I'd like people to forgive every night.

Not just, you know, during the holidays.

But just before you go to bed, you just kind of see who annoyed you today, who was impatient.

Maybe it was you.

Yeah.

You know, you kind of clean it up and forgive it before you take that into your subconscious.

Yeah.

Yeah, because that forgiveness, anything we're judging hurts us.

And so, you know, it's not about being a doormat, but just realizing that when I judge, I hurt.

Right.

And so I can free myself of that, learn the lesson, maybe set a boundary if that feels true, but move on.

Yeah, you'll be guided as to how to operate in 3D.

Yeah.

You know, okay, I'm going to forgive that person, but that person, I'm not really going to go to lunch with them.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you.

We don't have a vibrational match.

We don't have a vibrational match, but I'm not going to let them determine my mood.

Yeah.

You see?

Yeah.

More empowering.

Yeah, and I think some of the judgment can also be

from this religious conditioning when we were talking about earlier, like this God that looks down on us.

I remember when I was a kid thinking, like, who do the ants pray to?

Like a human form?

It didn't make sense to me.

That's funny.

I was like, wait, that doesn't feel fair or right.

Caterpillar playing to the butterfly?

You know, yeah, it's like, wait, that didn't make sense.

So there's a lot of things that I was questioning when I was a kid, but

just to even look at, I remember one time, I was raised Catholic, and then when I went through my first communion, my parents said, you can choose whatever feels right.

And I was like, there is a God.

And so for me, a lot of my upbringing was questioning.

everything.

It's still part of my spiritual practice, more of an undoing.

And at one point, I looked at what was the God I was raised with, what I was told to believe, and then what's the God that feels true now?

And really doing that assessment helped free up some of the shame and guilt I had about feeling like I was born into sin and that I needed to be better and perform to be approved and feel safe.

And

the self-judgment can come from some of our religious upbringing.

Oh, totally.

The penance.

Religiosity.

I define religiosity as

loving the scripture or loving religion more than you love God.

So that many people are in religiosity, but they're missing the presence.

You know, and so when you get to the presence, you can pick and choose

what works and what's real and what's authentic and what's just man-made.

You know.

And many people

are stuck, but many people are leaving that old paradigm in droves.

A lot of the young people don't have anything to do with that.

They want God.

They want love.

They want compassion.

They want kindness.

But they don't want that old God.

The rules.

Yeah, back in the day, I used to do a process at Agape in which we would fire the old God.

Ah.

You know, take all those old concepts and fire that God.

Yeah.

And then replace it with the God of love.

Beautiful.

Yeah, getting to take dominion over and choosing.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I think that's really empowering.

And I think it's important work to do so that we can align with what our truth is.

I know I went to get

my undergrad, I made up my own major because I knew healing, I became a licensed psychotherapist, I knew healing was more than just the mind.

So I did spiritual studies,

I did sociology, so all about community, and psychology.

That's beautiful.

It was some of the most profound courses I've ever taken.

I studied comparative mysticism to see the mysticism within all religions.

All religions.

Oh, so juicy.

Yes.

And death, dying, and the afterlife.

Yes.

Just learning about different cultures and how they approach death and,

their different ideas and ways of being, which is so powerful.

But circling back to manifesting at agape, I wanted to ask you about the law of radiance.

What's the difference with the law of radiance and the law of attraction?

Okay.

Law of attraction is a linguistic convenience describing

an inner process that takes place where it looks like you're attracting something to yourself, but it's actually emanating from you.

Oof.

You see?

Okay.

So we start off with the language law of attraction.

You know,

feel it,

visualize it, feel that it's happening, and then what are you doing?

You start to have the law of resonance.

You're in resonance with it.

And then from resonance, there's radiation.

You're actually radiating it before it manifests.

And then after radiance is emergence, the law of emergence.

That which is within you begins to emerge.

If you take an avocado seed and put it in the proper condition,

then the roots and the shoots will emerge from the seed.

Like the IntelliKey of an avocado is to become an avocado tree.

Avocado tree.

It's already within us.

So we go from attraction to resonance

to radiation to emergence.

You see, so oftentimes people,

not as much now,

but people would get into the law of attraction, but they would separate themselves from what they were trying to attract.

I was going to ask you about this.

It's out there.

Yes.

I'm going to attract that to me.

Yes.

Oh, this is so important for people to hear.

I just want to highlight, double-click on what you're saying.

Yeah.

Yeah, people want to attract it to them, but they're saying they don't have it.

Uh-huh, and that I'm separate from it.

I'm separate from it.

But when you realize the law of attraction is a linguistic convenience for feeling that it's already happening in your visualization, your emotional feeling tone, your conversation, your affirmation is all about proclaiming, declaring, decreeing.

It is so.

It's happening now.

I feel it.

Even I can't see it yet with my eyes.

Yeah.

But I see it in my consciousness.

So now I start to have a resonance with it.

I'm feeling it.

You don't mean a thing.

We don't have that feeling.

And then I start to radiate it.

Why are you so happy?

You still have those bills.

Why are you rating so much joy?

I am the answer.

Yes.

Yes.

And then it emerges

from me.

and it shows it can show up in many ways a book falling off the shelf meeting a person you didn't know you were going to meet that has the absolute thing that you need for the next level of your business yeah

it's all here that feels like the acceleration yeah because i was going to ask you about the four stages of awakening and four stages of consciousness and manifestation like how those fit in because do you can you kind of walk us through that a little bit?

Well, in terms of what I just described, the four stages of consciousness and where manifestation falls.

Well, manifestation, there's two levels of manifestation.

Yeah.

At stage two,

you're learning how to manifest.

And in learning how to manifest, you have mature wants and immature wants.

You know, you may see something on television.

You know, when you're a kid, you think, well, I want that toy that's going to make me happy.

When you grow up, you realize you don't really want it.

You don't really want what you wanted when you were four.

Yeah.

So as you evolve, the one thing doesn't come from the world.

You start to manifest the gifts of your soul, which brings you everything that is necessary to live a beautiful, magnificent, and beautiful life.

But your one thing is changing, you see.

So in stage two, you're learning the difference.

You know, you go from parking spaces, princes and palaces, and all of that, to, I want to deliver my gift.

Yes.

And then you understand,

seek first this higher realm and everything else is given to you.

That's right.

Not even thinking about it because it's just a part of your being.

So stage two is definitely manifestation.

And then stage three,

it's beyond the imaginal realm.

There are gifts, experiences that you cannot imagine, that want to express through you.

So when you're living wide open,

I will for the will of God to be done in my life.

The will of God is for what?

The greater expression of life.

That's all it is.

Then you open yourself up to that which is beyond your imagination.

Visualization, you're re-enchanting your imagination.

But then that which is beyond the imagination is limitless and infinite.

You understand?

So when I think about some of the things that I've got a chance to experience in my life, I didn't imagine it.

I didn't visualize it.

It came.

It's like, wow, that was so beautiful.

I remember one time I was sitting with the Dalai Lama.

I was facilitating this meeting with him.

And it just dawned on me: I said, How did I get here?

And the interpreter was sitting here, His Holiness was sitting over there, and we had garnered together these scientists, these mystics from all around the world.

We were having this beautiful four-day dialogue.

I did it with him four times.

And so, the first time I'm saying, this wasn't on my vision board.

How did I get here?

It was beyond my imagination, but I wanted to be of service.

And then the universe brought all of that together in a sweet way.

And that really speaks to the surrender as well.

And I think sometimes people can tell themselves, I should let go.

And that just is another concept that they beat themselves up with.

And, you know,

for those that don't feel like they can trust that what's meant for you won't pass you.

What would you share with people?

Because I remember, you know, and just to speak back to what you were just sharing, like the levels of manifestation, there's what I would call egoic manifestation, which is the outside in.

I'm separate, and the Gucci bag, or the person will make me.

And then we feel controlling of that person and situation to stay, so that then we are manipulation.

If you're not vibrating at that level, you'll lose it.

I hear you.

You have to keep manipulating it to keep it.

That's right.

And then there's like essence manifestation, which is I am all of it.

And how do I want to co-create and play and surrender as a part of that so that more miracles unfold better than we could have planned?

Right.

But anything, any words of wisdom for people that are afraid to let go or are controlling?

I think letting go is a process of maturing.

Like when you're manifesting at stage two, you start to learn that there is a law in the universe.

That things don't just happen, they happen just according to your consciousness, according to your feeling, according to your emotion.

And when you start to learn that, incrementally,

you start to let go.

You can't just wake up one day and say, I surrender.

You can say the words.

But I think when you're doing the practices, meditation, you're doing the practices, affirmative prayer, you're doing the practices, sacred study, you're hanging with individuals that are vibrating at the level you want to vibrate.

And

then something happens to you.

You actually notice, oh, I've released more.

I'm not as anxious about the future.

When did that happen?

It came like a thief in the night.

Something fell off.

A perception, a belief, a point of view dissolved, and you were more you.

Yeah.

So it's difficult to make yourself to surrender.

Yeah.

But when you do spiritual practice,

you look back and you say, oh, I've changed.

Right.

I really hear prioritizing yourself and your attunement because life is a mirror.

And so as we really orient to a higher frequency, life begins to reflect that.

And looking back later, it's like, oh, that all makes sense.

Yes, it makes sense.

And you you are different.

You're not the same person that started the path or entered into your first level of spiritual practice.

You're a different being.

And you can discover that because you'll notice there are things you still don't like, but they don't bother you as much.

You know, it's like, it

doesn't bother me.

I don't like it.

I prefer that that didn't happen.

Yeah.

However, It's not knocking me out of my peace.

That's powerful.

A couple of years ago, that would knock me off my piece.

I'd be mad, you know, or whatever.

Now it's like, I don't like that.

Yeah.

But

you're still centered in self-centered.

I can make different choices.

I don't have to be in that environment, whatever the case may be.

Yeah.

One of the ways that I work with that is what I call the paradox of transformation, to somatically feel what I'm avoiding, to open to that as a sensation in my body, not a story, but just I literally this morning was just body scanning

the fear of what it would be like to have this thing that I really love go away.

Yeah.

So that I don't manipulate a control and I can really move into a deeper sense of surrender authentically.

So it's like if the fear of failure or the whatever it is, to and and I would only that is a spiritual practice you're describing.

Okay, good.

Yeah.

I would and I would only encourage people to do it when they have a greater sense of resource, psychological or spiritual, because you don't want to get lost in the software.

Absolutely.

Because it can go, you know, down the rabbit hole for people that have big T-trauma, do it with a licensed professional.

But it's powerful to feel the very thing that we're avoiding and then equally to play with tuning into the frequency of manifestation, like honoring both equally, I find to be really powerful.

Yeah,

that is a powerful spiritual practice.

We call it going into the expanded state and experiencing your worst case scenario.

Yes.

But while you're in the expanded state.

That's right.

I'm so happy that you shared that because that is the most important step.

To know yourself, capital S, and then to allow any of the humanity that is contracted that's looking for presence and acceptance, that's all it needs.

It's like a little kid.

Yes.

It wants a hug and then it's off playing again.

It dissolves.

Yeah.

But it's the courage to feel it and to go there.

And not avoid it.

People avoid it with alcohol, with drugs,

shopping, whatever.

But if you move into the expanded state, experience your worst-case scenario, you see that it's not that big a deal.

Yeah, it's just a feeling.

It's just an emotion.

It begins to dissolve and then you have clarity.

That's right.

That feels like a mature spiritual practice.

Yes.

And

I love that you really qualified.

And then, what I would say is a resource.

Some people that aren't spiritually aligned, I'll just say like a loving presence.

Feeling of safety.

Safety.

Exactly.

The foundation of safety.

Otherwise, we can get lost in it.

Absolutely.

What are some of your favorite spiritual practices?

You've said that a few times, or healing modalities or rituals that you love to do.

You know, when I get asked that question, it's so integrated in me.

Yeah, you're like, this is my life is a a prayer?

Yeah, I get that.

You know,

I meditate every day.

Yeah.

It's just a part of...

Is it just silence?

Is there a mantra?

Is there...

I enter into meditation.

I mean, I light incense in my house, every single room.

Oh, beautiful.

When I wake up.

It's just a part of

waking up.

I do what I described earlier.

I light incense in every room.

I make a warm glass of water with lemon in it with some minerals.

I drink that the first thing, just to purify the the body.

And then I go to a place, it's like a dining room, but I have it

special chair I sit in.

And I

go into a state of meditation.

Not long.

It's maybe 10 minutes.

Then I hit the gym, have a trainer.

So I work out.

Then I come back.

I make a smoothie.

I have my own green drink.

It's called Adaptizen, you know.

And I have other things I throw into it.

I drink that.

Then I will do a formal meditation.

Okay.

And that formal meditation will be as long as I have

in terms of what kind of appointments do I have during the day?

Do I need to be at the office at a particular time?

Am I doing them?

You know, so

it's at least going to be 22 minutes.

Okay, okay.

It's going to be 22 minutes.

22.2.

22 minutes and three seconds.

You know.

And so there's the meditation.

And so I'm in my car

and I'm listening to

vibrational sounds that are behind any music or podcast I may be listening to.

It's a particular frequencies.

It's like 32 different frequencies.

There's peace, there's a deep sense of well-being, there's prosperity, but they're actual coded frequencies.

You see?

And that's behind anything I'm playing.

Interesting.

Yeah.

On the way to the office.

So I'm always in a certain dynamic.

Yeah, but meditation is a big part of it, actually.

Meditation is fundamental.

I agree.

I agree.

My two spiritual practices are inquiry, questioning my mind, and meditation.

And I very much love non-dual meditation.

You know, even if it's just the breath, inward I

am.

Yeah, I watch the breath.

Yeah.

I have my own version of vipassana that I've developed over the years.

Yeah.

The body scan for people that don't know.

Yeah.

And I'll watch the breath.

I'll establish intention.

I place my attention on the intention and the feeling of it.

Then I embrace the breath.

Then I go into beginner's mind.

I've never meditated before.

So this particular aspect of me didn't exist yesterday.

So I'm beginning.

I'm not a veteran of meditation.

This is my very first time.

And then I imagine that someone is about to tell me something extremely important and I have to catch it.

So I go into lowly listening because the universal presence is always broadcasting intelligence, love, peace, joy, wisdom, and harmony.

So I go into lowly listening and I let my whole being listen with a beginner's mind as I'm watching the breath.

So that I catch inspiration.

I'll catch wisdom and guidance.

Or I'll catch something.

Like lately I've caught,

I'll catch things that haven't happened yet.

And then when it's in happening, I say, oh, I remember, I know it's going to happen.

Or I'll catch, oh, I need to talk about this on Sunday.

Yeah.

You know, so it becomes.

A deep listening.

Deep listening.

Lowly listening is extremely important.

And you mentioned questions and I teach to ask empowering questions.

Never ask questions that are disempowering.

What's wrong?

Who's to blame?

Yeah.

Or why me.

You ask, what good is here that I presently cannot see?

Ask, what gift is this experience bringing to me?

What can I learn from this?

What can I learn from this?

You know, what's trying to emerge in my life right now?

The universe will answer that question.

Yeah, yeah, because the mind will just focus on whatever you give it.

Right.

So then you're redirecting the mind

as a practice, inner gym, working it out so that you really stay in that higher frequency.

I love the question: how can it get better than this?

Uh-huh, yes.

I love that one.

Yeah.

So even if something's going wrong,

according to your mind, or whether something is going really nice, how can it get better than this?

Yeah, and the universe will show you because it's infinite.

What about people that are facing a particular challenge right now?

They're listening to this.

Like, I just heard the redirecting the mind, which I think is so powerful and helpful.

What would you share with somebody that's really feeling lost and confused?

Every being has some, we talked about this a little bit earlier, has some little memory

of things being okay.

It It can be when you were three years old.

Yeah.

Your grandmother hugged you.

You take that seed memory and you close your eyes, you breathe into it,

and you allow every time you exhale for that feeling to magnify.

So you're magnifying the feeling tone of that memory

until it starts to become dominant in your awareness.

And then from this expanded consciousness, you can ask a question.

You know, what is it that's mine to do where this challenge is concerned?

That's good.

I'm just taking that one in.

That was good.

What is my next step that I should take?

But you're not asking it from victim.

Right.

And you're asking from stillness and doing deep listening.

Right.

And in a connection of a memory when you felt safe.

Right.

So you're asking from a higher order of being.

And to feel that in your body in a really grounded way.

Yes.

So it's like, who do I feel most loved by?

Could be another prompt.

You do your dog.

Yeah.

How does my dog see me?

And that evokes a sense of love, which you are.

And then what I'm hearing you say is you focus and presence that.

It awakens it more fully.

It's a new neural network.

And then you're programming more aliveness, more creativity, more what's good.

Right.

And you're available.

Yeah.

to the wisdom that's perennial and is happening all the time.

This presence doesn't go on and off.

Yeah.

So important.

So important.

You never have to pray for the presence to be the presence.

Please be, please be God.

Yeah.

Please.

No, no.

It is what it is.

You're not praying for the sun to be hot.

Yeah.

You know, you're just going out in it and getting your vitamin D.

I know.

There's a part of a spiritual stage where it's like, I got it, I lost it.

Right.

It's like, whatever I got, I didn't lose because that wasn't it.

Right.

That's a state of consciousness.

And yet the context, the projector, awareness, the truth of what I am, is always here.

Always.

And your state, when you normalize a state, the next stage emerges.

Yeah.

The stage emerges from a normalized state.

But you're not grasping on it because you know what you are in a deeper context.

Absolutely.

And by accepting the grief and by offering compassion to the sadness, whatever it is, by fully allowing it, ironically, it opens us to what's beneath it.

Yes.

Peace.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, one last question.

And this is more for me.

So before we started the podcast, I was talking about how I did the ceremony with my dad and starting to really learn how to receive.

And I know that this is a big thing for women specifically, where, you know, we can feel like we are, don't want to be a burden to others or feel like I don't want to, I don't want to feel bad for them.

Women don't want to take up space.

Have part of it.

Yeah.

Or like have needs to, you know, feeling bad for that.

And some of this is cultural, collective.

You're talking about epigenetics.

Some of it's personal and some of it's psychological, right?

So there's like different approaches to unraveling this

given that.

But I'm curious, what is your perspective or wisdom on, or one thing that women can do to support, or myself?

I'm asking for a friend.

To learn more.

You're pleasant.

To receive more.

And really, yeah, I'm just curious if there's any wisdom around that.

Well, you know, in the mental atmosphere of the planet, in the newosphere,

there's all kinds of intelligence that's vibrating when women ran the show.

Before they were demonized, called witches, burned at the stake, told to go shut up, whatever the case may be, that frequency still exists.

And we're living in a time right now where that frequency is becoming the dominant frequency again.

It's still trying to be suppressed.

However, it cannot be.

The rise of the feminine is happening right now.

We're in it.

So.

Thank God.

One of the things you can do, you can just Google

all of the women on the planet or the last hundred years that have made a significant difference in the planet.

Just Google them and you'll see all these beautiful women from all these cultures, what they've invented.

Like 3D printing was invented by a woman, as an example.

Yeah, yeah.

My daughter has a book of influential women throughout the last hundred years, so I could look at that.

And you'll start to

vibrate with that feeling of how magnificent, how important, how significant.

They didn't dim their lights, they knew how to take up space.

Yeah, like the Western man takes up space.

Yeah, comes in.

I know.

My male clients, they just own it.

They get spread your legs, you know what I mean?

Yeah, women will come in and be like

nice and pleasing.

No, just come in and just sit back.

Yeah.

And just feel the power wanting to move through you.

And it's not power masculine.

Yeah.

It's the power of life.

You know.

I was not thinking you were going to say that.

That is so beautiful and helpful and practical.

Thank you for that.

It's the time of the feminine.

Yeah.

Ride that way.

It's important that we all integrate that.

And I had an Akashic record reading recently with this gentleman who I deeply trust and was talking about my last five lives were a monk and a nun, and that I was part of the Inquisition.

And so the part of this is that.

So even...

You mean you were a part of an Inquisitor?

No, I was being, like, I was part of the quiz.

That put you down.

That put me down.

And so that was part of

my pattern around sacrifice and not letting myself receive certain things.

And so.

And also probably a fear to shine.

Yes.

And that was part of this life too.

Yeah.

When I felt like I was fully radiant and myself being bullied for about a year and a half and feeling like my light hurt people or threatened people.

No.

Mediocrity attacks excellence.

that's that's what happens the mediocre mind will attack the light yeah because it's jealous it's envious it feels less than that's just the path we walk yeah as soon as you start shining you know no one attacks a couch potato yeah they only attack somebody who's trying to do something yeah because it's bringing up their own stuff absolutely and when i did my inquiry to go back i could see that i was actually safe every single moment other than what i was thinking and believing absolutely and and so it was like oh well that was my power.

It wasn't even their thoughts about me that hurt me.

It was my thoughts about what they were thinking that hurt me.

And so there's an understanding of it conceptually, but there's still like why I love coaching is because as we take steps to share more fully, any of that stuff comes up to be integrated in a somatic or a deeper way.

Absolutely.

Which is where I'm at right now.

It just reminded me of a client I had,

a young woman, brilliant writer, creative.

But she always sabotaged herself before she would allow the success to come in.

Yeah.

And so we're in counseling session, and I had a friend of mine who is a spiritual practitioner, but also a hypnotherapist.

And I said, I want you to do one session with this woman.

So she put the lady under, and she remembered when she was a little girl, three, four years old, her mother, her mother and father were separated.

So her mother would leave her home because her mother had to go work.

Today that'd be called child abuse.

And

during the time that she was left alone, the neighbor neighbor abused her.

Okay?

So she went through this

hypnotic

trance, so to speak, and she saw that during that time, angels were all around her,

holding her,

this powerful presence.

So when she came out of that,

What became a part of her being was, yes, X, Y, and Z happened.

Yeah.

But God was always there.

The angels were always there.

I was safe.

And then that became her dominant feeling.

And then she stopped sabotaging.

Yeah.

You know, she forgave, and that became her dominant feeling.

Angels are always here.

So she actually had that as a felt experience.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then that reprogrammes.

She still reprogrammed her mind.

A lot of people think like this other shoe is going to drop these upper limits.

Yes.

So would that be one thing that you would encourage people to do?

This like, because you were talking about the fear-based mind.

It's a protective, it's a safety strategy.

So, bias towards negativity to protect ourselves.

That's why the affirmation of how can it get better than this,

but feeling it, how can it get better than this?

But that's going to bring up the upper limit.

So then the fear is going to get louder as it's like getting better.

It's always going to be what is called chemicalization.

The psychological term that speaks to whenever you go to another frequency, everything unlike that comes up to be healed.

Yes.

So, yes, that becomes a part of the process.

Yeah.

To see through it, to look at it.

Yeah, but but so after a while, you don't take a bad day

as a federal case.

You take it as a part of the process.

Something's being cleared.

Yeah.

Something's being cleaned out.

Yeah.

Something's being healed.

You know, it's like if you're fasting, what happens?

Yeah, I'm on a cleanse right now.

There have some days where it's like, oh my god, I'm going to eat.

Symptoms, yeah.

But and

you're getting rid of toxins.

Yes.

So the mind is saying, oh, this is terrible.

I'm feeling bad.

So important that you're saying this because I want to highlight it that people think sometimes they're going into psychological spiritual work thinking it's getting worse.

This is actually the detoxification.

This is helping become aware of everything that's been running you so that you can clear it in service to greater alignment.

That's exactly it.

The worst day for your ego is sometimes the best day for your soul.

That's right.

I literally, I had a,

even my experience in middle school is like the thing that caused so much challenge and trauma for me actually led me back to a spiritual path.

So there's also to see the gifts in it, the guidance, the divine design within all of it.

So all of what we're saying is planting seeds for people to just see things in a different perspective and to add a little bit of spiritual practice,

intentionality.

And then

old Mov takes over momentum.

Yeah.

Takes over from inertia.

And next thing you know, you're living a different life.

It's not just a temporary lifestyle.

It's actually you're living a different life.

Totally.

One of the things I'm taking away from this conversation that I'm going to implement, and I encourage people to do the same, whatever felt alive and true for them, is I loved how you were talking about don't let the day dictate your energy and frequency to really not be a victim.

I talk about this in my certification, not be a victim to the goal.

Right.

Right.

And so, but doing that with my energy every single day and practicing that and attuning and taking dominion over how I want to navigate.

That's what it means to take back your mind.

That's what it means to take back your heart.

Take back your life.

Yeah, yes.

Oh my goodness.

We could keep going.

I just love and adore you.

Thank you for coming on.

And I know people are going to want to stay connected.

I know you have so many things that you're up to.

Share with us

how people can stay connected.

They can connect with me at michaelbeckwith.com, which is my personal website.

Let's people know what I'm up to, where I'm going to be speaking and that kind of thing, teaching.

They can go to agapelive.com, which plugs them right into into the spiritual community where I speak there every Sunday, pretty much.

So good.

You know, three services every Sunday.

I do a way of meditation service, 6.45 a.m.

And being in community is so powerful and important.

So I just want to highlight that.

And you are offering such a high vibe, beautiful community.

I think, yeah, people are just drawn to the work that you do that are just incredible people.

It's beautiful.

And I'm watching now

all these, you know, young people come through the community with their kids.

And, you know, it's like I've watched all these different generations grow up and do major things in the world.

It's very powerful.

These teens grow up.

I have a teen Well, he's not a teen anymore.

He's not on my board of trustees, but I watched him grow up.

He became the student by president at UCLA, student by president at Harvard, graduated, went into finance,

now he's on my board.

But he's been in these teachings all his life, you know.

And so these parents want their kids to grow up without dogma, but within a real sense of community.

So I've said over the years that authentic spiritual community grants you immunity from the lower frequencies of life.

So they can find, they can go to my Instagram page.

I have something every day that's inspirational on the Instagram.

That's incredible.

And the website.

Every day.

And the Facebook.

It's all there.

And they go to YouTube or any place where podcasts are shown, and they can see Take Back Your Mind podcast.

They may even see you on there one day.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

Well, I just appreciate the work that you're doing in the world, the way that you lead with your heart.

Even when you just came into

my home, I could feel the frequency that you are both operating in.

And I just, what a blessing you are in this world.

And you're a blessing.

I felt you as soon as I walked into it.

It was beautiful.

I said, oh, this is a beautiful woman.

I love this.

Yeah.

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