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The Heed the Call Podcast

is back

in summer school.

Oh no.

Hello and welcome to another edition of Heed the Call, Heed in That Call.

On a Thursday, yes, in the summer school portion of the NFL calendar, Dan Hans is here.

Mark Sessler, Connor Orr, Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

And back, it feels like it's been so long.

The great

Jordan Rodrigue.

Hi, guys.

Hey, Jay.

How are you?

What is happening?

Oh, not much, you know.

Just been sort of watching my microphone gather dust over here.

Just kind of wondering, waiting for my call-up back into the big leagues, you know.

Just, you know, no problem.

I'm not mad, you know, or anything like that.

But certainly miss you.

Mark, you can handle this one.

This one

is a good idea.

As she keeps talking,

layers of truth start to unfold, and we start to learn more about what's really been processed in mind.

She probably is just a little bit piqued that she hasn't been on the show.

It was just simply the ebb and flow of our own summer, Dan, as we all dive into.

Well, I took it as Mark that you personally hate me.

So, you know, I mean,

I'll let Mark handle this one, too.

I did get a text.

I did get a text, a new magazine cover while I was in Brooklyn last week, and and I got a text from Dan, new magazine cover.

I think he's a three-time feminist of the week winner at this point.

Three times, baby.

Yes.

You were the first person I thought of because you are the most prominent feminist in my orbit.

What an honor.

I thought you would really.

I did want to ask all of you guys, like, okay, I am wearing what...

could be construed as a headset right now.

Are you all okay with that?

Like, are you, I might hear some crazy language here.

Oh, oh no with my female ears so uh are you guys all okay that i'm sitting here sort of listening into your conversation i'll refer to connor on this one your conversation i mean i just just just wanted to check you know it's it's your world and i just sit here in it you know are mom and dad fighting i'm confused

we've set it feels like we've stepped on a bit of a landmine here i listened i listened to all the shows connor just know that she's on top i was gonna bring that up i thought i was good when you were gone I know.

I love

that.

I love therapeutic progress.

I had a really long flight to and from, and I looked like an idiot laughing hysterically to myself in my seat on that Delta flight.

So you guys are.

In some ways, Jordan's like the moral ombudsman of the program.

So it's like, you just got to be on your toes.

That's why I think that sometimes we put a little bit of space in there because we're not very moral, and

most most of our conversations will be flagged to some degree.

I enjoy them thoroughly, to be honest with you.

So,

yes, Justin.

That was a beautiful transition for me to ask you guys.

You know, we had a fun bid about the lake house a few episodes ago.

Dan, just curious, where are you right now?

Like, what kind of house?

How would you describe the house?

I am at my in-law's house.

Uh-huh.

And did you arrive post-haste?

It's by a lake, yes.

But see, there's a difference between this house by the lake and where you were rushing to get to,

which is the lake house.

Interesting.

There is a distinction.

Okay.

Is there a distinction between, let's say, Mark, you're going on a pre-vacation vacation soon?

Where are you going to exactly?

What kind of house is that?

I love that you have to inject the narrative.

I'm missing one episode episode and then making up by hosting one when someone else is missing down the road.

So it kind of evens out.

But I am also,

you know, I'm going to like a family Airbnb.

And what I'll do is I'll look at what the Airbnb looks like eight hours before I leave.

So I did discover that

it is a house on a lake.

It's not like the Jaguar's house near the beach.

It's like on the lake.

Right.

Yeah.

So there is, we're both at houses near a lake, but we are not at the

lake.

No, not that one.

I love this, Justin.

I love this version of Justin.

All right.

Everybody's got a little spiciness to them on this Thursday show, so let's not waste it.

Let's use it.

Hey,

we also want to use

our listeners, our audience, for good, not evil, for good.

Connor and I, when Mark's on his pre-vacation vacation, we'll be doing a show next week.

Where will Mark be?

No one knows.

Probably on the lake, maybe.

Maybe he'll be playing polo.

What's that game on the grass where you hit it with the mallet?

Oh,

croquet.

Croquet.

Yeah, croqueting.

Connor and I will be grinding in a virtual studio, and we were thinking it would be fun.

I mean, I could start this vacation much sooner if we'd like.

We will be, we thought it'd be fun for our show next week

to open up the phone lines again and do a little listener audience call-ins uh wfan style so with that in mind uh this is the number you call 747-200-5593 747-200-5593 uh and leave a voicemail for connor and i and we will answer it if it's worthy on next week's heed the call

how about that and while we're here wait where does that go by the way what kind of service is like who's answering that like an operator Like, do you have a...

Justin.

Justin.

Justin Scale.

Directly to the lake house.

Yes.

It's like one of those old-timey phones at the lake house where they're like,

hello.

Stay busy.

Here we go.

Dalton line.

Man, the Dalton scale, as expected, a lot, a lot of discourse out there as we brought the Dalton scale back and had the conversation.

And Jordan, you said that you've been listening to the show.

So I think you heard the episode.

And thank you again to Bill Barnwell, who was excellent on the show.

We got a ton of feedback in all different worlds

connected to our show.

So I figured it'd be like kind of a nice thing.

Well, let's start here, Jordan.

Who is for you the prime radian of NFL quarterbacks?

I've put a lot of thought into this, as you will not be surprised to hear.

Also, I love that episode.

My favorite part, I think, was when you were reading off names as though

you were like the guy in Monty Python yelling, bring out your dad.

And

Bill was just horrified.

He was.

He was nervous.

I made him nervous.

Yeah.

You know what?

So I actually, I liked.

I know this will be controversial for some in the Reddit board, but I liked the Sam Darnold comp

because I think that

for me, it's not just the fact that he, to me, represents sort of median play.

He has a low floor.

He has a high ceiling.

If you take the aggregate of what we saw last year, but also combined with some of the traits and also combined with just sort of the

style of play

where you...

He can kind of move, but not all the time, where he can throw the ball, but sometimes, you know, he can be all over the scale with it.

When it's good, it's good.

When it's bad, it's bad.

I think that he sort of represents prime meridian quarterback play for me.

And I know that circumstantially his whole being cast off different teams, it's not the same type of Dalton comp here.

But in this new era of the Dalton scale, he does sort of represent that median for me.

I was surprised.

I was surprised because it was the last name it brought up.

I brought it up, and I'm the biggest Darnold fan out there.

And

I thought it would be more, I thought everyone was going to end up there.

And then if I wouldn't have brought up, he wouldn't have come up.

So that

shocked me.

And then there was one other element of it.

And I think somebody brought it up in one of the comment sections.

One element that Wes used to come back to a lot, Wes, who originated the Dalton scale, was part of what made Dalton Dalton was that the success of the team could vary.

Like they could go 11 and 5.

They could go 5 and 11.

And it really depends on on his, the team success really is based on what's around him, whether it's the right playmakers, the right defense.

And he's just this guy in the middle coaching.

And he's just this guy in the middle that doesn't really affect change.

And I think you're going to see that with Darnold if there is anything maybe like we were talking about, the reason why we didn't get it pushed through legislature was that he hasn't done enough now to show the peaks that we've seen the peak and we've seen the valley, but the middle, I think we might end up seeing that in Seattle this year and maybe next year he is kind of a clear-cut answer to this.

Yeah, the word you guys were looking for, by the way, you know, like a hung jury,

that's what you were looking for.

Oh, you know what I was looking for?

Tabling the resolution is what I was looking for.

God, I think that's a good question.

I'm just really shocked that you missed an opportunity to refer to yourselves all as that collectively.

Yeah, no, that was a

fair point.

But I mean,

I think sometimes when we've done it in the past, it's been hard to get like full agreement.

I think, Darnold, we kind of got there at the end as close as we do with anyone, but it feels to me like we're a year away from a true candidate because I love the Trevor Lawrence concept by Bill Barnwell.

And I brought up Tua and I think like it feels a little premature for me for some of these names right now.

But a year from now, depending on what happens, we might have that candidate that stands out

boldly.

I just think it was like there was a lot of semi-candidates this offseason.

Yeah.

I mean, for me, and I know this, again, this sort of veers from the initial Dalton scale, but when I'm looking at, when I'm looking at truly the Prime Meridian, I think Trevor Lawrence is above him.

I think Tua is above Darnold.

When Tua is not hurt,

that was a good point that you guys made too.

When Tua is not hurt,

the way he can throw on time, the pronation on the ball, the way that he can make every angle of throw, the way that, again, the offense and him sort of are this

co-partnership here.

I do think he's better.

Now, I think Sam Darnold's highs are about as high as it gets, but his lows are about as low as it gets.

So for me, he was smack in the middle.

And I think if you have a quarterback who's smack in the middle and you have great things around him, you're in pretty good shape.

If you're a quarterback above him and you don't have good things, you could be worse.

I mean, it's just, it's so, I love the conversation.

And it was one of my favorite episodes.

It always used to be one of my favorite episodes.

But this last one, it made me feel like all warm and fuzzy inside because it just, well, I know that's hard to do, right?

Cause I'm always like crying, but like, I feel like it, it just, I liked the discussion.

I thought everyone brought up, I think everyone was kind of at their best in that conversation.

Frankly, everyone brought up some really good points.

Keep going.

Even Mark?

Keep going.

Keep going.

How about this, Connor?

I want to tee you up this way.

Here's the Reddit.

Reddit, they did a poll where they voted on their

no, don't worry.

It doesn't, it doesn't affect, it's not directly involving you.

The Dalton line poll, they did a vote, and out of over 300 votes, Geno Smith was edged to 81 to 76.

Trevor Lawrence, 64.

Darnold, 55.

Russell Wilson, 24.

Rogers, just six votes.

That was the other one I was really surprised about because I was kind of pushing Geno, but nobody, I even lost Mark.

I never thought I'd lose Mark in this conversation, but you were pro-Geno as well, Mark,

at this point.

Connor, I thought that Gino got a bit of a pass in the conversation, and

I think he gets that pass because, as I, as I'm known to bring up, the football cognizante

is so fierce in its defense of him.

I think it does reflexively affect how people talk about him.

I just think, again, like I had them grouped into different tiers where, and I just personally believe, like, if you had put Geno Smith on the Lions last year, for example, I think that they could win a Super Bowl.

Right.

I just got tingly.

I think he's part of that small group, and I put Rogers in that same group too.

And so for me, they were almost removed from Dalton scale consideration.

You know, the only other thing that I'll say about this is f all of you guys, Russell Wilson was the perfect answer.

And I said it three times before I brought it up.

Russell Wilson, right now.

How many votes did he get?

Now, only 24.

And

I told myself I wasn't going to vote it like 23 times from

Told myself I wasn't going to go in and look at what everybody was saying and get upset about it.

Turns out I did.

And I kept saying, Russell Wilson right now.

And then everybody's saying, well, the highs are higher.

The highs are higher.

Not really, because if Sam Darnold is the uniform choice, Sam Darnold this past year had 35 touchdowns.

Russell Wilson at his best is a four-year-old.

He's not the uniform choice, but go on.

But you're saying not at his best.

You're saying right now.

And also, I don't think he's not a full-time starter right now.

That's why I didn't.

He's a full-time starter.

He also stinks.

I ruled him out.

He didn't care about it.

He was a quarterback who throws 26 touchdowns and eight picks.

Stink.

It's this that you all don't like him.

I know.

No, see, that's where

I'm going.

We got a Russell Wilson thing.

This is going to be a great.

This is going to be a great season because sometimes there are certain players.

And by the way, Darnold was that guy last year where it's like, oh, shit.

Like, I felt the heat turned up on me because I was like, I have no excuse if Darnold sucks on the Vikings.

And thank God he had a good season.

You are

all in on Russ, Connor.

And you are kind of on Ore Island on this one a little bit.

I don't hear a lot of people banging the drum that he's at this level of a player anymore.

So I like it.

I love when you're on Ore Island because it's a brave place to be.

But how about that?

I just think not a lot of people see him the way you see him at this point.

His last year in Denver.

You know how pro football reference has the approximate value stat, which kind of brings everything together.

And it's almost like a war number.

It gives you a number, right?

His last year in Denver, which was

don't you not like justifying your takes with stats?

Well, in this particular point, in this particular moment,

I have nothing else

to stand on.

And this seems to be the way that everybody else in society functions, where it's like, oh, no, no, no EPA.

I'm going to leave now.

So here, I'm giving it to you the way that you can all understand it.

Okay.

The last season in Denver for Russell Wilson, which was catastrophically awful, and we had to cut him, 26 touchdowns, eight picks, AV of 12.

That was Ben Roethlisberger's career average for like his entire lifespan.

When we think about, and if you stack those two together,

that is not a quarterback who to me is just completely useless.

And, okay, you're going to put him on the street.

He's completely useless.

It's because you all don't like him.

You can't argue for somebody to be the prime meridian or the mean of something, and then your take fodder is

so dramatic.

Like, oh, we don't like him, or oh, he's useless.

That's not what anyone's saying.

We just don't think he's the prime meridian.

I think he's a bit under.

Statistically, like his,

if you remove like the 34-35 touchdown year,

he's Andy Dalton, like almost, almost exactly.

And so I don't know.

Let's see how long he holds on to the job.

I want to see if he wins it out of camp.

I think Jackson Dart is starting by like Indigenous Peoples Day.

So I think it's going to fall apart.

Damn.

Columbus taking a sphere to him.

Well, no, because I've gotten dinged on that in the face.

Yeah, no.

Well done, Mark.

Well done.

All right.

How about this name?

Pull this one up, Justin.

Ba, ba, ba, ba.

The answer is Kirk Cousins, a good enough quarterback that's never taken a team anywhere.

I'm surprised he didn't bring it up.

I guess that's me because I think this is the answer.

No highs, no high highs, and no low lows, no weird injury history to muddy the waters.

First of all, he just Achilles exploded and he stunk last year because of it.

And he had like a shoulder injury as well.

I believe the reason Kirk Cousins didn't come up is: A, he's not a starting quarterback entering the 2025 season.

So we kind of pushed him to the side.

And B, I don't know, Jordan, where you come down on Cousins, but I think that he has been been above the dawn line for me

for his career.

And now he's a older, injured backup quarterback.

So I think just the way the calendar felt and where his career is right now, I don't think he's a good guy to have this conversation.

Now, if he gets traded somewhere in the next six weeks or something, maybe we could re-litigate it.

But that's the reason Cousins didn't really come up in that conversation.

Yeah, I was sort of thinking about it with

guys who we know are going to be starters for their team, like for this season.

And respect very respectfully, truly, Connor.

Like, that's also why I didn't really factor Russell Wilson in because I think Jackson Dart is going to take that job.

And I think Brian Dable is going to want to play him post-haste.

Post-haste.

And so I feel like

that was part of the reason for me.

But with Kirk, I also think like

he is for better or for worse, and sometimes for worse, a quarterback that the

sort of dominant family of coaches right now all covet for whatever reason.

And so I think that that automatically like lifts him above because he would be considered a necessary addition or a like positive addition for, you know,

five people right now should their starter get injured.

But

I mean, from another angle, like, and you know, I think that there's this parsing of what the rules are around this, but it's kind of, you just go with what feels like.

Which I love.

I love that about it.

It's not like that.

No, I think that's what it makes it a good combo.

But like, I think one of the rules for me is the team is sort of stuck in this place where they're with you and they're hanging with you.

And they might not be that happy, but they're not that unhappy.

Like he was just unseated by their first round rookie like seven months ago.

So he doesn't fit that.

He's not in the convo to me.

One of the things, Mark, that's a great point because one of the things that I think gets lost in the Kirk Cousins-Mike Penix discussion is that the Falcons gave him so many opportunities to keep that job, even to their own detriment of their record.

I don't think people remember how bad Kirk Cousins was playing at the end of last year.

And yes, now we know about this hidden injury that was happening to him during that time.

But they gave, despite that, they gave him probably too many opportunities to still keep that job to the point where it cost them wins.

And to the point where, especially at the end of this, right before Mike Penix took over.

So

you were supplanted, you know, like someone came and took your job,

even though you had the opportunity to keep it.

So I do think that's a factor here.

All right.

Lastly, we're all fading Kirk a little bit.

I just said he's above the scale.

Yeah, not you in particular.

I think the people who are talking about him as replaceable, like on any measurable and not even the fun or exclusionary statistics out there, but the ones that the majority of us can understand and enjoy, like quarterback rating.

Kirk Cousins has like 80 quarterback rating games of over 100.

Andy Dalton, I think, at 60 for his career.

He had double, I think, the amount of four-plus touchdown games as Andy Dalton.

Like,

he's a baller.

Here's my concern, Connor, because I've always liked Cousins.

I think Cousins has gotten a bad rap in his career overall.

But

at his age, coming off an Achilles,

his statue, like his statue, if there was like a statue rating, like a statue in the pocket, lack of mobility, he's got to be a 97 out of 100 at this point in his career.

And then I wonder about his arm strength at this stage because is he ever going to get the zip?

The lower half might be compromised with the age and the fact that he never had a big arm to start with.

I just wonder if physically

we've lost Kirk Cousins.

But I would like to see him get one more chance because I agree with you.

He deserves another look in a fresh start.

He did get a huge contract last year, so there was at least one team and probably more that were interested in him being their guy for multiple more years, including the 2020 25 season.

I just hope he doesn't wither away on the bench this year.

And then all of a sudden he's 39 years old.

And it's like, well, I guess that was the it.

That would be a sad way for his career to kind of peter out.

You know?

One more, one more.

To the point of like not knowing what to do with a quarterback, we brought up Kyler Murray.

And this was a comment over in the subreddit.

Kyler Murray should be on here.

He's a franchise QB entering year seven with the team that drafted him.

Dalton lasted until year nine.

That's a good point because that was the thing about Dalton.

They just shrugged their shoulders and just kept him in that spot.

Goes on.

Although Murray has good physical talents, the rest of the league's QBs have caught up in mobility, and it's not the special trait it used to be.

He's had good highs and mails.

Arizona is stuck with Murray and has to ride it out because they know...

Anyone else currently available is likely a downgrade, yet it will be hard to identify a QB who would be a clear upgrade over him.

That, Mark, is QB purgatory, in my opinion.

I agree with many of the comments made by Mr.

Hash Brown.

Yeah, I think Mr.

Hash Brown did a nice job here with this because

perfectly browned, like he was cooked in the oven the perfect amount.

It's maybe he's a chef or a cook or wants to be.

Maybe that's his goal.

He fits Dalton in a lot of ways.

I think what gets in the way is like the type of players they are

Because Kyler Murray has also unfurled some of the most exciting on-field performances we've seen in small stretches.

And

the highs have been really high.

And he looked like a very special player for a while inside of an organization that's been through a lot of flux.

So he was on my list, but we each introduced

one with gusto and I went somewhere else.

I'll double down on the guy that

I think that the Dalton scale, like the quarterback position itself, though, needs to evolve to include the fact that by 2030, every quarterback will be able to do what Kyler Murray is doing to some degree in terms of backfield mobility.

Right.

And so I think that we don't want to put him there because he can do cool stuff.

But in 2030, like the most average quarterback is going to be able to do what Kyler Murray is going to be able to do in terms of running around in the backfield, getting open, you know, putting one foot down and throwing across his body and completing a pass.

And so that's just going to be the norm.

And so I think that that needs to be baked into the Dalton scale.

It's a great point because I think

where we can get in trouble here is, oh, if we're going to find that Dalton replacement, he's got to be, you know, he can't be a first-round pick.

He has to be traditionally a pocket passer.

He can't have great athleticism.

It's like, we can't just look for another ginger.

He has to have red hair.

It's like,

it's not aesthetics alone.

Yeah, it's not an aesthetic match we're looking for.

Anyway, good talk.

Good.

The concept,

if I could too, I love this.

Oh, man.

Put a button on it, Jordan.

I think

I will revisit my thought that I think for some of the points that Mr.

Hash Brown so eloquently made,

like the idea of purgatory, if the Vikings had not had J.J.

McCarthy that they were so ready to go after and draft, I think they would be in this type of purgatory with Sam Darnold because he's good enough to start start for you and hard enough to move on from if you don't already have that guy waiting in the wings on your on your roster who you spent draft capital on and I so I think eventually we're going to see Sam Darnold be that quarterback purgatory player because the highs are high enough he's that he can match a couple of different systems do different things including be more mobile than I think he gets a credit for and uh is sort of looked at for and then also um he is like good enough to want to hold on to him like they really struggled with that in Minnesota They really did.

Should we really let this guy go?

Should we keep him around just in case?

Or do we commit fully to the kid?

And they made the latter decision and they put in a ton of draft capital and a lot of training behind the scenes with him while he was recovering from that injury and a lot of like virtual reality stuff.

That's a huge investment.

And so I feel like.

That still, the fact that it was such a conversation, such a decision, and he is developing into that quarterback now.

I think where his career really starts, which is now after all the chaos, then we're going to see him long-term become this sort of purgatorial quarterback.

You know, it would be the best thing if Sam Darnold is like 39 years old and we're still like, you know, I think his career starts now.

I think this is the moment where we really start to see no man has had more career restarts than Mr.

Darnold.

All right, here we go.

Let's do some news.

Let's get caught up.

And there's Charles Woodson.

How about that?

I want to see you at.

Great, Manny.

He became the first defensive player to win the Heisman Trophy.

And congratulations, Charles.

That is something that no one can ever take away from you.

Unless you kill your wife and a waiter, in which case...

All deaths are up.

Oh, Norm McDonald.

Rest in peace, peace, my friend.

That was from the Espies.

I believe it was 1998.

Kind of a legendary monologue that literally could not exist in the modern landscape.

And Deadspin, back when Deadspin was ruling the sports world, used to, on the anniversary of...

of, well, whenever there was the day of the Espies, they would bring back that clip.

They had refinished it in HD, and it was just like, let's celebrate Norm absolutely dismantling the sports world.

And I always got a kick out of it because of the

athletes that are just not used to be putting that situation back on their heels.

The shot of Ken Griffey Jr.

at the end going

is something that I live for.

And

Shane Gillis, they announced, is hosting the Espies this year.

And it just made me wonder if I might actually watch the opening of the Espies this year because Gillis is somebody who is not afraid to say certain things and make people uncomfortable.

And if I can see pro athletes squirming in their seats and coaches and GMs, I will probably check it out.

So

I'm not saying Gillis is Norm because Norm was a legend, but certainly someone who might make it worthwhile.

I do find

in all these award shows, And I'd point to that one, obviously, where it's like one of the most powerful athletes athletes in the country can't handle the joke and like shielding their head like this.

Like a little bit, it feels a little performative.

But then when Ricky Gervais

slayed the Oscars and the folks,

the Golden Globes, like over and over.

That was another one.

You have like Tom Hanks sitting in the crowd, like, I can't handle it.

It's like, you can handle it.

This is a joke.

You're Tom Hanks.

You can handle it.

Like, some of it just feels like...

Cut to Tom Hanks doing something on camera that will, you know, I don't know if I buy it.

The beauty of it is, though, that they can't, right?

and and tom brady is still complaining about a roast and he well he got he got nuclear bombed yeah but but but if you're tom brady like you know he came away being like god i can't believe they made fun of the fact that like you know my my kids and stuff it's a what did you say you were gonna say like he should oh this guy's too hot you know

bye you know

but i was at the bottom of the canha that's the best part yeah yeah yeah um all right let's get into it let's get into the news

Here's a guy who could take a joke, Aaron Rodgers.

Anyway, Aaron Rodgers is a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers,

and he is entering, what is his, 21st NFL season?

Something like that.

Something crazy.

And he thinks this might actually be it.

In fact, he's, quote, pretty sure.

Here he is on the Pat McAfee show this week.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is it.

You know, that's why we just did a one-year deal.

Steelers didn't need to, you know, put any extra years on that or anything.

So,

you know, this was really about finishing with a lot of love and fun and peace for the career that I've had.

I mean, I played 20 freaking years.

You know, like it's been a long, long run.

I've enjoyed it.

And what better place to finish than in one of the cornerstone franchises of the NFL

with Mike Tomlin and the great group of leadership and great guys in the city that

expects you to win.

Connor makes me think of your comment that what he now, whether he can do it or not, I'm dubious, but I agree with you that I think he feels a lot of pressure to end his career with some level of grace and ending it in a place that allows him to do what comes next in his life, whatever that may be.

So we could talk about the impact he'll have on the Steelers, which I think will be nominal personally.

But it would be, I think, you know, he doesn't want this thing to end in a dark, depressing place.

So it's going to be interesting to see how he's able to write this final chapter, if this is indeed it.

Before I respond to that, can we just talk about the way that Pat McAfee is like holding his hands together in sheer excitement while he's talking like a toddler in an ice cream truck?

Like, I wish anybody in my house looked at me the way that Pat McAfee looks at Aaron Rodgers.

Well, he doesn't believe it.

But,

you know, you're right.

Because right now, his option, and I think that that was part of the calibration for New York, right?

This is basically an all-star team.

I have the coaches that I want.

I have a great developing wide receiver.

We're going to go get Devontae Adams at some point.

He knew that all this was going to happen.

And for him, it's writing the ending in the big city and getting the media market the way that he wants things to end.

Because that didn't succeed.

Now you go for the softest landing spot, right?

The Steelers' floor is nine or 10 wins every year.

You know, you're going to be able to get into the playoffs.

You know, know, you're going to be able to do the sad cowboy wave off the field in prime time.

And you know that you're going to be protected by Tomlin to some degree, like he's protected all of his players at some point.

We didn't know that Antonio Brown was nuts until he was nuts.

You know, it's so nuts that it just burst out of the building, right?

So I think that there's a lot going for him here.

And

you want Jeopardy, you want whatever these gigs are that aren't just like hosting an alien podcast.

This is how you need to end your career.

I appreciated, if nothing else, the ambition of Rogers' attempt to go to New York and be the man that saved the New York Jets.

And listen, if he would have stuck the landing and he brought the first Lombardi there since Joe Namath, I mean, we would have talked about him, not just me as a Jet fan or New York sports fans, but nationally, he would be seen as one of the great heroes ever, right?

To do what he did in Green Bay and then to save the saddest franchise there is.

Now, Now, he, to your point, it feels like a softer landing,

but I feel like he could have success here.

Maybe he's not in this heart of hearts.

If you really, as you say, Connor, if you injected him with truth serum, does he actually feel like he's going to take this team to the Super Bowl?

Maybe, maybe not.

But he could have a nice, dignified ending playing with an organization that he feels like he could trust not to botch this like the Jets did.

Do you know, it's interesting, though, because,

like, I believe him when he, I do believe and I think a lot of us can easily and have before get like sucked into sort of the charisma and like the all of that right but like I do believe that he wants a peaceful ending to his career I don't think he wants to go out with this reputation of just like a toxic like destroyer of ecosystems like I don't think he wants that reputation at all.

I don't think anybody would unless you're like seriously twisted mentally.

But I also like have this other

curiosity about like, what do his teammates think of this?

What do his, what does the fan base, I'm sure their fan base is stoked.

I don't know.

I'm sure they're stoked or split or whatever.

But like, I think they just want to win more games, right?

But like

you're not coming out here with this like fired up sort of like unleash the demon.

Like, I'm going to do whatever I can and place myself out of this, decenter myself and my own ambition and my own hopes and my own reputation and let the demon fully out of the box and

gut and will and grind this team to 10 wins to a playoff run.

Do you know what I mean?

Like I have both, like I have a lot of, a lot of respect for wanting to go out on a positive note in your career.

And it's so rare that it happens to NFL players.

I have a lot of respect for wanting to like basically reverse a narrative that has traveled pretty far down the narrative path, right?

Of the toxicity.

But, but I also wonder about that other part.

Because if you are

there and you are the quarterback of the team, like go f some stuff up.

Like go out and kick some ass, right?

And try to get this team over the hump.

And maybe he's just like sort of like tempering expectations.

Maybe he's doing that.

I don't know.

But I, you know, I just, you have to go into this sort of like outside decentering of yourself to get a team to the ultimate goal of a Super Bowl.

And it just doesn't seem to be what's centered here.

I mean, I think he's got to, you say Tomlin's going to protect him.

How about the reverse?

Like we, we learned about the Antonio Browns and Le'Veon Bells personalities after the fact.

We already know that Aaron Rodgers, and I'll give him credit for one thing.

I think he's a,

he can compartmentalize a lot of different interests and obsessions.

And in

other people, that would be something positive.

Like, and you have that friend that's doing stuff that you wouldn't do, but they are like, they're all over the place.

They're eccentric.

Like, that could be seen as artsy or intellectual.

You fill in the blank.

The average Steelers fan and the average football fan does not want their quarterback to be seven different people all at once.

Like, go focus on this team.

And his job, if he wants to go out without the same type of, not a stink, but an aura around him that like feels to us tedious, unpleasant, a little selfish, maybe a little dishonest, if not a lot.

And I don't, you know, I'm not trying to throw arrows at him, but this guy has got a lot of different opinions surrounding him.

Like if you want to go out quietly with 10 wins, it's your approach that needs to change from the past couple of seasons where you went into New York as a hero and wound up as a distraction that involved themselves in coaching decisions, player transactions, like fill in the blank.

Like you don't do that on Mike Tomlin Steelers.

In other news, let's talk about this Pablo Torre finds out episode with Mike Florio.

What a pairing.

What a dynamic duo.

These two guys, Florio, always looking to dig up some dirt in the NFL world.

And Pablo Torrey, they were both on the hunt for this 61-page arbitration ruling document

connected to a ruling in January that there was no collusion by NFL clubs in response to a grievance filed by the Players Union in 2022 that alleged that the league and its member clubs colluded to restrict or limit fully guaranteed player contracts in the wake of Deshaun Watson's record-breaking

setting contract.

And while the NFL

did not lose this case,

it's fascinating in what came out of this document that was both sides, the union and the NFL, were trying to keep out of the public eye and to the credit of Tori

and Florio.

It's now seen the light of day, and it could have big repercussions.

It could be a story with major tentacles because while the NFL, they ruled that there was not collusion on the owners' part, and this all-center is the ground zero of this, is the insane Deshaun Watson contract the Browns handed out, fully guaranteed, and then the owners trying to process how do we stop this from becoming the new normal now that the Browns have done something that was unprecedented?

That we fight it.

We fought and fought successfully to keep out of CBA's guaranteed contracts.

And then here comes Mark's Brownies handing it out to Deshaun Watson of all people.

How do we stop this?

So, anyway, they don't lose the case, but within this document, it's very clear that there was collusion going on.

That's the, here's one, here's in the ruling by this guy, Droney.

I don't know, Droney.

He's like Madonna.

He has no first name.

There is little question that the NFL Management Council, with the blessing of the Commissioner, encouraged the 32 NFL clubs to reduce guarantees in veterans contracts at the March 2022 annual owners' meetings.

And Jordan, the reason why they're referring to that specific league event, that came shortly after

the Watson contract was handed out.

And obviously, that was the conversation.

Just a crazy story.

Yeah.

And I, I listened to it twice.

I was texting you guys about it this morning.

I listened to it twice because there's so much in it.

I mean, it's an hour-long episode that Pablo and Mike Florio did.

And

first, at the very beginning of this, first of all, I love the way that this was incepted, which was these two, you know, Florio and Pablo Torre, they're having a competition with each other to see who can be the first to get their hands on this 61-page document.

And Pablo Torre wins, which so then does an episode on it and has Mike Florio on to sort of describe some of the legal terminology.

And there's a lot of legalese in it, and there's a lot of really helpful analysis in this story.

So I encourage everybody to go listen to the Pablo Torre Finds Out episode on this because there are layers and layers and layers to this.

But

the arbitrator ruling that

there was, they did not find collusion, but also found that at this management council meeting um that there was some encouragement by that council and then also the the union's involvement where the union basically has all of this all of these documents has this report but then um in the speculation of pablo tore and mike florio who have been doing work on this for for months um

say that their their thought on why the NFLPA doesn't want it released is because JC Treddor, who was leading the the union at the time,

was

talking impolitely about a high-profile player involved in one of these contracts.

And so there's so much there.

I'm doing it so much injustice by my summary right now.

Dan, you did a great job.

But like, it's, there's so many layers of like,

to use a phrase that's used often on the show, how the sausage is made.

Like, it's, it's so,

everyone should listen to it because it is really, it was really informative.

And you are right that this is going to keep being something that comes up because there will be people and players specifically who have not seen this, were not granted access to this document by the NFLPA

who will now see it and they will have very, very fair questions.

Well, Connor, let's cut right to it.

That high-profile player, coincidentally enough, is Russell Wilson, who is trashed by JC Tredder,

called a wuss, and something

either.

Yeah, called him a wuss, which wuss, are we still using wuss?

I feel like wuss has lost a lot of its pop in the discourse.

But also a word that I don't like when this happens, but Pablo Torre thought it was too unkind to even say, or I don't know what he said, but there was another insult.

There were many insults of Russell Wilson, and because of that,

Treddor decided to try to suppress this, which

Pablo Torre and Mike Gloria think.

Yeah, that's their theory.

But that opens up the union also to some legal problems because other players in the union can now say, hey, you withheld from us over some petty personal situation that affected our earning potential.

Yeah.

Crazy.

It's bonkers to me, and it just proves, I think, what

the only thing that's going to ultimately work in this, and this comes from my personal experience having been on the low end of the totem pole when

a workplace is involved in a union negotiation and in a place where you're in a little bit different uh viewed a little bit differently um while your workplace is trying to you can say it you're important connor you can say it no go ahead bud um

but it's one of those deals where it's it only works and i and i've had personal regrets for over this too it's like it only works if the if the you know if the josh allen's of the world and the patrick mahomes is of the world and all these guys sit down and tell the the NFL to go kick rocks.

And that's the only way that it works because otherwise you can see how effectively the owners can kind of put their arms around people with the cigar smoke wafting and their $99,000 bottle of red wine and being like, you know, Russell Wilson sucks.

Do you really want to fight for this guy?

You know, and then you can soften the strength of what is supposed to.

to be your most powerful engine to to fight for you.

And so, and it sucks to put that all on someone like Mahomes and Allen, but it doesn't change until him and Barkley and all these guys go, yeah, we're not seeing the field until UMFers fully guarantee contracts.

And so

go play with the Spring League guys and

enjoy that for a little while.

There were a couple nuggets in this, too.

I'm with you, Jordan, because it's like, it's not circuitous, but there's all these layers that keep coming up.

And it's just this super broad, like Washington-esque investigation.

But the Browns, and this is, you know, the timeline, you can, I'd call it speculative, but after they signed Watson, they cut Treddor and that disallowed Treddor from being the president of the NFLPA.

Treddor stayed on some sort of search committee, which is also extremely covert for Lloyd Howell, the next NFLPA leader.

And it's like there was no explanation for why that happened.

And if you go back to all this owners thing, because we can blame all the owners, and I mean, I'm willing to do that because they are exactly who they are.

But there is a note in there that all of this came with the blessing of Commissioner Goodell,

that this came with the blessing of Commissioner Goodell, that this goes to the highest levels.

The only counter I'd ask as a fan is like, I don't want Kyler Murray, who I'm still figuring out to get a massive guaranteed contract either.

Like, I kind of see from a business angle where they're coming from.

I don't want a bunch of mid-range guys getting maxed out guaranteed deals.

Because I think we all look at the Watson thing and say, not only because he sucked and he was a deplorable teammate and person in all of that, but like the deal was not good for the, it's a cap strangling type deal.

And the NFL cap does not really allow, I think, for these maxed out quarterback guaranteed contracts to go in for five years if the guy flames out in two.

So it's like, well, I can see where the owners are like texting each other saying like, nice job.

We don't want to do that.

It still is something that was done in secret.

And I'll ask one last thing.

When does the NFL ever lose?

You want to get sued by the USFL?

You pay a a dollar and they're out of that.

And then they take all your players.

Like the NFL just does not lose.

And so I don't see a world.

Maybe

I hope there's some middle ground where a bunch of players are going to sue the NFL for a billion dollars and the NFL is going to pay it.

I just don't see it.

I just don't see it.

And this is, I thought, my last thought on it is this is a total

microcosm of

this business side of the NFL as long as we've been covering the league where the owners always crush the players and it's because the owners the ones with the real money and the real influence all have their kind of shit together whether we like it or not and are aligned on things even if it's maybe on into a morally or legal gray area whereas the players can't really it doesn't seem like they could ever really put it together and put up a fight and when it comes down to it the owners as florio pointed out have have this kind of they have the nuclear weapon which is we'll lock you out

And then once the players, it always seems to go back to the players, once it's about we're going to lose paychecks, they always lose.

The CBA is always on the ownership side of things.

And then you have just these backroom communications between these oligarchs, these billionaires.

This text exchange was so funny to me because it's funny, like just billionaires texting successfully.

This is from this is from that

ruling where you, you know, that type of arbitration unfurls different things like texts and emails.

Fly that up, Justin.

Here is the owner,

Dean Spanos of the Chargers and Michael Bidwill.

Don't call him Bidwell.

He'll fire you.

Of the Cardinals.

That's a true story.

Dean Spanos, congratulations on the signing, Murray.

Oh, no.

Sorry.

Sorry.

Let me try that again.

Spanos, congratulations on signing Murray.

Bid will.

Thanks, Dino.

These QB deals are expensive, but we limited the fully guaranteed money and have some pretty good language.

Thankfully, we have a QB that's worth paying.

Dino, your deal helps us for our QB next year.

Bid will, not bid will.

I think many teams will be happy with it once they have a chance to review.

Cleveland really screwed things up, but I was resolved to keep the guaranteed relatively low.

I mean, the Browns catch another stray.

Yeah, they always do.

And how is this not collusion, Connor?

How is this not the smoking gun?

But So here's, here's, there's, there's two points I want to make here.

The first is that there's a brazenness to it because they don't care.

They're all, they have lawyers review everything.

They have the best legal advice in the country afforded to them.

And they still put all of this in writing because they know at the end of the day that it doesn't matter,

that they're still going to be the owner of these respective franchises.

And the NFL is never going to go down because of something like this, even if it is unearthed.

And, you know, but I just love

Bidwell just like, it's like someone murdering someone and being like, great murder today.

Like I left the body right here under this tree.

And I really hope the police don't find it.

But again, like his arms hanging out the side, if you could look in a certain angle in the car, but and but these guys just they they don't care and there's no there's no punitive system.

So it doesn't matter.

I do want to bring up one important point on this too, because now the fallout from this begins.

And Mike Florio Pablatore brought this up in the podcast episode, where they reiterated that, like, players had not seen this.

Players had not seen this report.

This was hidden from not just the public, but also

because of the union's alleged and apparent participation and also keeping this from their members,

the players have not seen it.

So now what what you're gonna see, and I think Mike Florio had some reporting on this

today, actually, as well,

that they're now

representatives of players are going to start informing their players of this and what's in it.

And maybe, you know, you're not going to go parse the entire 61 pages, but people will.

And the players will now have

legal avenues to take.

Certainly the ones who were involved in this, but also because something like this now has been like unsealed, for lack of a better phrase, like now players and their representatives.

We're looking at, so like, look at the Shamar Stewart situation.

They're arguing over a very fine point, a very granular point in his contract about the removal of certain guarantees, which other teams do across the league, but that the Bengals themselves had not done before

this year.

And so then they would be putting him as a precedent setter of this specific

removal, removal, which would then apply to all other rookies of his status after him.

And so now they're trying to negotiate out of it.

We'll look at things, little things like that.

Like,

you know, what part of these documents could be usable in a negotiation such as that if something else like this exists in public and is very transparently easy for people to access?

It's, it's, there, there will be fallout to this.

Yeah, there will be fallout, honestly.

But like, the one part of it that felt a little naive to me was the reporting that I saw on Wednesday where like Flora was like, this could be big trouble for both the union and the owners.

Like maybe the union.

Not the owners.

The owners are going to be fine.

They're going to be fine.

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All right, we're back.

A few more news items.

Hey, speaking of Shador Sanders,

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Reaction

from the belly of the beast in Browns headquarters.

Good afternoon, and thank you for holding.

I have Mark Sessler on the line from Quiet Storm Crisis Management.

We're patching Mark through right now.

Thank you, Dan, Connor, Jordan, Justin.

You know, I wanted to make an announcement of my own that this position that I took,

you know, which came from my childhood loyalty to this team, has become more problematic by the day.

And

I am

going to take a little bit of a summer break from tracking this player.

Pre-vacation.

Pre-vacation?

Yeah, exactly.

I think one thing I'd say, just because I like to be open and accountable, right?

When we discuss this issue on our previous episode, and within an hour of closing the episode, we learn that what he did happened twice, that we can't even keep track of his

highway antics.

It does get on my radar.

We're going to continue to work with the player, but I will not be working with this player for the next couple of weeks.

And I hope by the time I return, there is no problem.

That is quick.

Well, I'm getting on an airplane, so this is someone else's problem for a little bit of time.

Take it away, Browns.

Back to you.

I think

I don't know if ownership's going to be pleased with the Quiet Storm Crisis Management's response to this particular incident.

Yeah, what are you burning at at this point?

They're going to pay you for that statement?

Okay, I'm out.

Good luck.

Did you know, by the way, Deontay Johnson is on the Browns, one of the Browns items here.

He was on the Sports and Suits podcast.

Sports and Suits podcast.

And he had this to say about who he thinks will win the four-man battle for Browns quarterback.

I mean, who's been going on roll with Kenny for right now?

So you just had Rookie Minute Camp, right?

You went with them and did all that stuff.

Who looked at it?

I'm saying Kenny going like right now.

Nobody's wearing suits on this podcast.

Joe would come in.

Would you think the sports and suits podcast, everybody would be suited and booted for it?

What's the point?

Having a Super Bowl, so I remember

if they don't stay there.

It's a nice set.

It looks like they got good microphones.

No, they can live with Joe.

Wear the suits.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean...

You know, they were teammates for two years, so I don't know if I totally trust this reporting.

I mean,

our old friend Cameron Wolf,

comes out days later and saying that it's Joe Flacco who's the favorite to win the job.

Just, this is why you go to training camp.

Let's see

where we are with Shador Sanders as well by then.

I mean, some of this could sort itself out in real time.

Kenny Pickett, I thought he'd be the one that would be taken out.

Like, that's the one guy who's like, they clearly want to keep the rookies because you just want to see what you have.

Joe Flacco took you to an improbable playoff appearance and works really well with the head.

Hang on a second, Mark.

hang on a second good afternoon thank you for holding i have mark sessler on the line from quiet storm crisis management we're patching mark through right now

i still have a phone line here this is amazing

maria uh i just i always i tell this is my opinion having been around the complex kenny pickett felt like the guy that you throw out the door at the end of all this bland

you know proven to be unproven not a rookie that you have invested in and not a guy that took you to the playoffs like if kenny pickett wins this then i don't know what the f is going on around here

this is

bye

crisis management

did you see the um i forgot that deonta johnson was on the team and i swear to god

i'm not trying to like pile on but i just every time i i look in the news there's something else did you know that um Can you fly this up, Justin?

That Deontay Johnson,

he

just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41-degree weather last year in Baltimore because it felt, quote, ice cold.

And now he just signed with the Cleveland Browns?

What's going to happen there?

Hit it, Justin.

Good afternoon, and thank you for holding.

I have Mark Sessler on the line from Quiet Storm Crisis Management.

We're patching Mark through right now.

I don't know what's going to happen.

I'm hanging up.

Getting out of here.

Poor Mark's just trying to get on his cruise liner.

Get the hell on to his pre-vacation.

Leave him alone.

Finally in the news, let's end on a positive, okay?

Because I honestly think,

Mark, that this is big for our show.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott

has vetoed the bill that would outlaw THC in Texas.

And our producer, I'm in Texas right now.

This was a big story here this week.

It was a surprise.

Everyone thought it would just get rubber stamped.

And ultimately, it felt like a potential disaster for our show because our producer, who runs on THC, was all of a sudden going to either have to stop using it and lose the fuel for his elite production skills or obtain it, you know, on a secondary market in alleyways

and,

you know, abandoned houses and deserted street corners.

Like, and yet, because of this veto by the governor, we don't have, here's one thing in the world that we don't have to worry about.

Isn't that a nice thing?

And here is Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.

I guess this guy was the one that was spearheading the whole movement to get weed out of Texas for reasons I don't know.

Who the f knows why the government here in Texas needs to get weed out of the state.

But I can only imagine because God would want it that way would be my guess.

Well, do you want to know?

That's what God wants.

No, I think I'm right.

I don't even need any other context.

Okay, because God likes, he likes no drugs and he likes all babies and God likes men.

and

Texas forever, all that stuff.

Here's Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.

Here we go.

I thought for sure that

after we talked yesterday, and we had a very amiable discussion.

Look, I'm not mad at the governor.

I'm not mad at the governor.

He's a big man.

But I'm not going to legalize marijuana in Texas.

And if people want to vote me out of office for that, so be it.

Not going to do it.

Not going to do it.

Wouldn't be proud of that.

At this juncture.

That is youngster.

Wow, that guy's the real rock and roll star of the

legislature.

All right, Justin, congratulations.

In all seriousness, we're very happy for you.

Thank you.

Yeah, it's a huge win.

The floor is yours for the state of Texas.

There are, you know, potential lobbyists who will not be happy, who are paying money to get certain laws passed so that different recreational drug-type items would be more purchased, alcohol.

But yeah,

this is great.

It's good for veterans.

It's good for the small businesses.

The whole point, the whole reason this came up is because hemp is legal to grow in Texas and be sold as part of an industry that has nothing to do with THC.

And this would have vetoed, or this bill would have outlawed that as well, which would have been sad for those people.

At this point,

describe for us your collection of weed-based products inside of your home.

Well, I have a very nice gummy collection from VIA, our

previous sponsor on this show.

And I also have some other methods that we brought from California when we moved here, about a six-month supply that'll run dry in two or three months from now.

And then we will figure out what we're going to do because we don't have a plan right now.

I would do what I would do about it.

I would have to do a really fun evening at the heat house, honestly.

Exactly.

What I would do, there's that episode of Seinfeld when Elaine was a big fan of a certain female contraceptive, I believe it was, and she heard that it was moving out of stock.

So she just bought it out, and she had a whole closet filled of, I think it was the sponge it was called.

I would say, just because of

the unpredictable nature of your local government here, that you just fill up a closet just in case.

Yeah.

Good for you, good for the show.

You know?

I think.

Jordan, you live in a yeah, you live in an area of Los Angeles, Jordan, that constantly smells of hemp.

Uh, your thoughts,

proud to be here.

I love L.A.

All right, good.

Finally, we got Jordan not to say something.

She just has nothing to say on the topic.

I don't want anyone to know where I live.

Illicit substances.

All right.

Good stuff.

Oh, my God.

What a ride.

Thank you, Justin.

Jordan,

we're sorry that we disappointed you with your extended absence.

But as Mark said, official statement from Pide Storm Crisis Management,

it was out of our control.

And also, Mark, as he told me, this vacation, this pre-vacation is going on, it was out of his control, it was out of his hands.

So all we can do now

is wish Mark a bon voyage.

Bon voyage.

And if anybody wants to see Mark off,

the floor is yours.

Connor, you start.

Mark,

have a great time.

Read deeply, love strongly.

And

I don't know.

Are you flying?

Yes.

I don't know where the boat thing came.

And I have flying.

Yeah, that confused me a little bit.

Isn't it, you got to admit, though, isn't it funnier picturing Mark just on the hull of a boat, like as it leaves L.A.'s port?

As someone who has now been chided by four different airport security officers, make sure you have your real ID because

they get really upset.

Well, if your passport is expired and then you try to slide that by as a backup, they get even more upset.

And so I'm just

get all your ducks in a row.

There's another method of getting there is.

I could take that, you know,

on Canada.

It's a little circuitous, but it'll take a little longer, but yeah, just a thought.

Mark,

bon voyage.

You know, stay true, stay golden.

And don't forget when you apply sunscreen or any sort of tanning applicant, get everywhere on the face, including the hairline, depending on where your hair shifts and moves.

Otherwise, you'll end up with a stripe.

I don't know why this is coming up now, but you will end up with a stripe if you don't have a break.

Jordan before the show was complimenting my hair, but she noticed that I was in the Texas sun with a hat on, and it's left a two-tone of my skin.

And

I find it to be borderline racist.

So I'm

Mark, if you do decide to take the ocean liner,

one thing you might want to think on also is: let's say

you get delayed for whatever reason, you could always just hit me and Justin.

I'd be like, well, I'm not going to make it back for August.

I'm in the Gulf of America somewhere.

The Gulf of America, as you call it.

I have learned, the lesson I've learned is don't ever take a single episode off again on that show.

You will pay the price.

Hey, there's a new silver horses up, right?

Yes, as of this morning, Justin posted it.

Thank you.

Check that out.

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All right, everybody, have a great weekend, enjoy yourself.

Mark, stay safe, and until next time, do what you must, heed the call.

Bye-bye, Mark.

Bye-bye.

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