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The whole audience is like, oh no, remote shows suck.

Don't worry.

We're not at minicamp in Maui.

I'm in a f ⁇ ing garage.

Mark is in a concrete hellhole of downtown Hollywood.

Welcome to Heed the Call.

Concrete hellhole.

You know, I will say,

it would have been a bad move to go cover Ram's camp, which I think we did specifically like eight years in a row, and it felt a little on the nose with our old employer.

Just minutes before the show, though, you're sandblasting my background, saying that it's not appropriate or it's not, you didn't rate it highly.

I put a lot of it.

No, I have a little bit of an issue with

because my background is no great shakes either.

I would say

they're combined, probably like they would average out around seven.

Um, and then you cut to bring in Justin, our producer,

in his like, you know, 30,000 square foot house in Dallas that he's paying like 400 a month for.

And it looks like damn Adam Schefter's background.

Look at the furniture.

Look at the lighting.

I mean, it's like a Titans nightclub over there, and his is 10 out of 10, and ours is what ours is.

So I just think as we approach our end of season one,

then, you know, July break heading into season two of Heed the Call, it could be a chance to make some alterations.

I think you were right.

If I were to oval scan so you could see the rest of the room I'm in, you'd be like, I get why there's not a lot of movement here, but I would say one thing.

Oval scan.

Well, I don't know know what I'd call it.

That is the rotation right there.

Let's say this.

Let's talk about rotation of camera.

We call it oval scan.

But like, let's say we meet in the middle, like, we up our game a little, but our producer doesn't go out of his way to outshine us.

I think that would help.

I would think actually we should have Justin strip out all this

garbage.

How would you describe his background?

It's like a rich mahogany.

The wood.

Yeah, a mixture of woods and nightlife, like

a rich person's layer.

And, you know, I should also say, not to change the subject, but yeah, we do have this break coming up.

And

Justin and I are very busy.

It's a little bit of a tough situation.

And maybe we should bring it up just real quick that we are going to take a break at the beginning of July.

And this is something we had planned for, you know, months in advance, really, and then come back for the start of training camp.

The plan is July 21.

And then Justin and I get absolutely sideswiped by Sessler, who pulls one of the great moves of all time.

Mark alerts us that he's taking vacation the week before we're taking our break.

So he's doing double vacation.

And Graver and I are scrambling to figure out a show plan and how to bank extra episodes.

So, Mark, just thank you for that.

If we're talking a little show production, we just, Justin and I, just when we want to take our foot off the pedal and be in in Maui, even in our dreams, you're making sure to keep us grinding to the finish line before 4th of July.

Thanks, Bob.

Well, it was a guarantee this would come up and come out in this format.

Like, let's be very clear about something because I alerted in April

that I will be taking these days.

It's a family, it's a sort of a family reunion.

I'm not in control of 18 family members and their children.

So it's when this, I'm just saying, this is when it's either do it or don't.

I alerted in April.

I alerted in May.

I alerted alerted again in early June.

And then it's like, so sideswiped

is strong.

This is the move.

This is the move.

Let's bring in Connor Orr, by the way, who also is someone as a responsible adult that has family commitments.

Sometimes you just got to make it work.

You could have said,

I can't do, I can't, hello, Connor.

I can't do that last week in June because it's a very busy week for my show, but I'm going to visit you in July when we have a few weeks off for the show.

Do you even think maybe you could push this family gathering a week so old Sess Dog out west can be there?

You know, something like that.

Or if you don't want to go to it, like you might not want to go to it.

You could say, wish I could go.

Can't make it.

No, too much familial tonnage for me to dictate like a different week, just to be honest, because it's like at the point where we're talking about like 18 kids doing 4,000 sports and other, you know, nonsensical items.

Yes, Justin.

I think you and I may be just a little bit jealous here that Mark planned his vacation so perfectly that you and I, like, he did it first, so you and I can't also do that.

And then we're left to man the stations here.

And it's like, the way we're going to let him hear about our jealousy is to sort of just do what we're doing now as opposed to saying it.

Connor, and I don't want to put you in an uncomfortable situation here, but what grinds my gears a little bit is when we were on our planning call last week when Mark dropped this bombshell on us,

it was like, I, you know what?

I'm really sorry about this, guys.

I don't have any control over it.

And this is, this is a man born in 1973.

Like, this is a man that should be able to have control of things.

And he's just telling us, oh, you know, I wish I could do something about this.

I can't.

I'm sorry.

And I just, that, that hurts me a little bit because it's like, what am I supposed to say to that?

What do we say to that?

I'm going to kind of take a third side of this, and that is,

you know, no one else in Mark's family has a successful podcast that I know of.

And when it comes to being the most famous member of your family, like, yeah, the world should revolve around you a little bit.

Like if

John Mayer is on tour and you want to have a Mayer family reunion, you check the tour dates first before you plan it.

And so I think really, like

the enemy here is the Sessler family at large, I think is really where I am.

That takes some onus off of me, which I

appreciate.

And I did, I know everyone's thinking of the same thing.

Oh, easy.

This is 2025.

Mark can do a show or two remote.

We were alerted that, no, I can't do that.

I couldn't possibly do that.

We're going to be deep in the woods or something.

Well, that's true.

I'm just like a cover story.

Meanwhile, old Zuzzer is going to be in Texas at my in-laws' house next week.

I'll be cranking out extra content.

It's now clear to me.

No, it's now clear to me that while this began,

even on our call, it was a little bit of a needling and some joking around about it.

But Dan is a little annoyed.

Because you got us.

Justin nailed it.

You got us.

You hit us with a vacation before the vacation, and there's nothing else that we can do.

Do you think that when I was

working with 18 other individuals over this

time slot that my goal was to hoodwink the two of you?

That's sort of where I'm coming from.

A little bit of an extra bonus, I would think, at the end.

It's like as you looked at your calendar, it was all of a sudden wide open for 30 straight days.

It was like, oh.

At my first job, they called it tacking on days.

And, for example, before 4th of July, we weren't allowed to take the Wednesday before the 4th of July off because we already got the Thursday and Friday.

Well,

the two of you are like, you're in lockstep with the sort of, you know, left and right punches.

And then Connor comes in and nails the, you know, I guess it would be my trainer in the face, who's the parallelist.

Oh, let's make it.

I'd like to completely absolve you of this because

if Conman got hit hit with this at SI,

he'd be singing a different tune.

You know what I mean?

I get that you're the victims, so-called, in this.

I think you should praise me, though, because in today's workforce and the way that work operates today, it was a masterstroke, although it was not planned.

It just worked out that way.

It was a direct hit.

You sunk our battleship, that being our late June.

in the NFL quietest part of the season.

So we'll move forward.

We'll get through this.

We've been through worse.

Today's show is a good one.

Yeah, we're not in Maui.

The Rams are in Maui.

Good for them.

I don't know if Jordan's in Maui.

Jordan Rodrigue, who covers the Rams for the Athletic and is going to be on the show next week, filling in for Mark, is,

she told me she's on vacation.

I didn't want to pry, but I'm wondering if there's a connection.

I guess we'll find out.

But we're going to talk about some of the teams.

What do we got?

What do we got this week?

A bunch of teams, obviously, the majority of teams had their minicamps last week.

The Ravens, the Chiefs, the Giants, the Rams, and Seahawks all holding their mandatory minicamp this week.

So any news that's coming out of those camps will hit today and later in the week.

And we're going to get into some news.

What's happened since our last app, shall we?

We're good.

The problem is I can't stay mad at you because I love you.

And that's family.

And this is family.

So it's kind of like you're leaving our family reunion to go to another one.

And maybe that's just jealousy on a different level.

Well, you know, I think whenever you go on any sort of family vacation, too, you're kind of crossing your fingers when kids are involved that it isn't like a complete apocalypse.

So it's not like I'm not going to Hawaii to lie on the beach with like Stefan Diggs's harem.

Like I'm going,

it's a work vacation.

You're going deep into the Connecticut wilderness where there is no Wi-Fi.

That's what we were made aware of.

So enjoy.

That is accurate.

Thank you, though.

And if you did, I love you too, and I love you all.

And if that weren't the case, I can't be annoyed at your annoyance because I get it.

I'll get my revenge in 26.

I'm already starting.

The wheels are in motion.

All right, let's do some news.

Sean, what's up?

With the Von Melee?

Is he the only thing that's going to keep him out like no, no?

No,

no.

He's going to be full go, start a training camp.

Everything's good.

We should be.

That's that's it.

That's it.

Did you hear me?

Okay.

That's what that's it means.

That means it stops.

Sean Payton from Broncos Minicamp.

I know that kind of seems like he's being rude to the reporter, shutting him down and almost admonishing him like he's a child, the reporter.

But I think there is a soft spot to me, Connor Orr, that he is a direct descendant of the Parcells coaching tree.

And that's just Bill.

He learned at the foot of the great Parcells, the big tuna, and being a jerk to reporters and making them look and feel small is right out of the playbook.

And you don't see enough of it, quite frankly, anymore.

So I applaud Sean Payton for being the old crank that he is.

I might take definitely a different stance on that.

I think as someone who's been on the receiving end of that in particular,

I'd have another word for it, but I read criticism that we're beeping too much on the episode, so I won't say it.

But yeah, I have some words.

Well, you could share them without using your potty mouth.

Like, what is your take on it?

You just, I think it's out of bounds.

Yeah.

Well, I, you know what it is?

It's like, I think it depends on how far it goes.

Like these little interactions.

I had a coach one time that I covered who called my beat partner a dick because he was just asking too many health-related questions.

And I feel like that's a normal verbal tennis match.

What Sean is capable of doing in escalation beyond these little press conferences, I think is where it takes it to a different level.

And I think that, you know, you could probably ask some other people who've had to cover him on a daily basis that, you know, there are coaches who take it to the point of, you know,

making you perhaps fear for your livelihood, you know, and then there's like, there's that level of anger.

And then there's coaches who kind of just, you know, it's like, okay, yeah, this is a little part of a little back and forth.

And we're friends.

And like two years from now, when we see each other at the induction ceremony, I'm going to elbow you and be like,

let's go golfing together.

You know, like there's, there's two ends of this spectrum.

And I think he lives at, you know, he's like, I just finished Harry Potter.

He's, he's kind of in the dark castle.

He's he's slithering, you know.

He, and like, Liam Cohen doesn't get away with this.

It's, it's a very Sean Payton-esque move.

And we've gone over this on the show before, but we know that Sean Payton reads his own clippings densely, like at all months of the season and offseason, and we'll call offices to seek out reporters and editors and shoo them out.

He's also last, I honestly think he's last of, you know, a dying breed.

Yeah.

I think that level of

antagonism with the media, most coaches, especially younger coaches, know ultimately that doesn't really play in your favor.

You don't necessarily come off well, and you also make potential enemies, and you're going to need the media to keep a job in the long term because it's not always going to be sunshine and roses.

It's a bit of like, it's a little more of a chummy league.

And I guess I just, yeah, I guess I just, you know, don't mind some of that.

Peyton has a stature where he can be that way.

There's not many guys that could.

Belichick was another one, obviously, famously.

And you see where he is now.

Here's the thing, though.

It's always having talked to so many coaches who have just been fired in the days and months and weeks after it it happens.

One of the first things that they always say is, I wish I had done the thing that, you know, like, for example, Nick Siriani, when he came in, or, you know, a lot of these new coaches now will do additional off-the-record meetings with the beat reporters to be able to say, like, hey, guys, like, when you asked me that question and I had to shut it down, here's why, because there's something going on.

And if you write about it, you just need to know that this is, you know, kind of where we're at.

That is one of the number one things.

Cause another guy that came in, remember how Urban Meyer came in to Jacksonville?

And I feel like that, when you, when you Bigfoot like that, as a reporter who's kind of always been like, you know, you're the gum under everybody's shoe, and that's just kind of your life and your livelihood and your, your lot in, in the economic sphere.

But that always is like, okay, pal, like, let's, let's go see what's under these rocks.

Yeah, your hackles are up.

Yeah, you're just like, you're spoiling for a fight a little bit.

And that's why journalism is so important, real journalism, and real journalists like Connor Orr to challenge these guys if they go into their bully mode.

All right.

All right, let's get into it.

Did you, real quick, three first-round picks who have not yet signed their contracts?

Travis Hunter,

Bengals Ed Shamar Stewart, Broncos cornerback, Jade Baron.

So those guys are not under contract yet.

We know Cincinnati, and we talked about it at length last week, is trying to jam in some language in the contract for Stewart that he is not on board with.

I did see some replies or, you know,

not pushback, but people commenting on our commentary, which was obviously pretty anti-Cincinnati's business practices, that like what they are trying to put in that contract is not totally new in the NFL rookie contract sphere,

but it is new in the Cincinnati Bengals sphere.

So there is, to Connor's point last week, there is a precedent that gets set.

And if Stewart takes it, now all Bengals' first rounders have to take it.

And it's a tough situation to put a guy in.

He has left camp, by the way.

He left camp.

And now we're going to see when he shows up.

In other, let's go into the bungalows den.

All right.

Trey Hendrickson is the other big story there.

Obviously, they have resumed communication.

according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, as Hendrickson seeks a long-term contract extension, Fowler characterized the conversations as delivering, quote, some optimism regarding the edge rushers' future with the team.

Hendrickson had skipped the entire off-season program.

So now they have some time to get this figured out.

Hopefully,

after Joe Burrow said it himself, that this is a distraction for the team.

They have to get this done.

There's not another option.

And at this point, it's strange because when you bring in someone like Al Golden, who I think will help

get to the quarterback in unorthodox ways and different ways, and the way that he's going to be able to match coverages and all that kind of stuff.

I mean, he did a great job at that when he was at Notre Dame, but there has to be some semblance of an edge rush.

There just has to be because you don't have an interior pass rush.

And now, you know, Miles Murphy, who's the only other who you drafted two years ago in the first round, who's kind of fallen off and has, you haven't really gotten anything out of him yet.

I mean,

hopefully over the course of these next three weeks, they come to their senses because you've paid your wide receivers.

You've set the table for this being your comeback offseason.

But unless Joe Burrow is planning on scoring 41 points a game, there has to be some sort of a counterbalance defensively.

Yeah, I mean, outside of quarterback, left tackle, there's nothing more important on a football team in today's NFL.

And you got Murphy, you got got Joseph Asai.

These are the guys who are your edge rushers right now.

And I don't personally like,

like we went over the Stewart thing, but I don't like a rookie getting no reps and potentially missing all of camp.

We'll see how that goes.

That usually leads to a protracted, like problematic rookie season that we look back on and say was kind of lost.

And I don't like veterans showing up.

late in training camp or before week one either, because that usually leads to something that not the best season of that player.

And so Al Golden's in a tough spot here, year two.

And sure, and Stewart, too.

What was the big knock on him, right?

He led college football in pressures, but only had four sacks.

He's had trouble finishing.

And so you need him in training camp during the full contact period so you can at least get him acclimated to.

Now, he's not going to be tackling quarterbacks, obviously, but you can simulate that kind of stuff in a real way.

You can maybe help him get to the heart of whatever this is if it wasn't just some sort of like, you know, happenstance or weird statistical anomaly.

But like, he needs to be in there by the time you guys start hitting.

Um, yeah, and take a deep breath, Cincinnati Brain Trust, and realize these are all things that are in your control.

And you have a chance between now and late July to clear the decks and have everybody hunky Dory and, you know, try to get back to being a Super Bowl contender, which has kind of slipped away the last couple of years.

One more note on the Bengals.

This started floating around

on social media.

There's an acronym that they're using in their weight room.

Yeah, flash that up.

Can you pause that, Justin?

It's fat,

P-H-A-T.

And then it's above it, it says, and this is in huge lettering on the wall in their training room, you know, where all their workout equipment is.

A bangle is fat.

And then

underneath, physical, hungry, accountable

teammate.

And

I don't know.

Like, I don't know about this one.

I feel like in your weight room, the place that is really the ground zero for fitness and turning your body into just a machine, a football success machine,

saying a bangle is fat on the wall.

I don't know if they quite stuck the landing on this one.

Your thoughts, guys.

Yeah, like

I'd say also, and I'm like, you know,

when you're in here and you're working out and you're maximizing your body and you're growing as a team in terms of fitness and you need to be focused, when I see the term fat, P-H-A-T,

it's not like a hello young folks type of thing, but let's be honest, it takes my mind somewhere else away from weight training.

Like, I think it's a little distracting.

It means multiple things in our society here in America, at least, and it's not typically bodybuilding for men.

It's also this, Connor, and we're not the group group maybe to know what in terms of like the slang of the youth.

I do feel like fat had a major run in the 90s and 2000s.

I don't know if it's a big word out there anymore either, the P-H-A-T version.

Is it being used a lot?

I don't know.

But it does feel almost like it was cooked up by

a 51-year-old

defensive linebacker's coach.

Oh, you go to my age.

The first thing you do is go to my age.

You immediately call out someone my age, like as if I had dealing other lexicon.

That was inadvertent, but perhaps, yeah, it was connected to some thoughts on once you're at that certain age.

You know, you're trying to figure out what the, what the kids are saying, and maybe fat is something that's not out there.

Let us know.

Shout us out in the comments, you know?

Yeah.

I think I have two thoughts on this.

The first is that.

Who's this guy, by the way?

Who's this Drake Burton guy?

I mean, I don't know who is Drake.

Drake, I think, is on a, he does a podcast, and he's inside the Cincinnati complex.

I don't know if this is what keeps you in the complex.

Right.

When you're blowing the lid off, the

bangle is fat and then shaking your head disapprovingly.

He's sweating.

It looks like he's got a

team.

Maybe he's filling in for Trey Hendrickson.

I don't know.

Let's do some research on Drake Burton.

What were you saying, Connor?

Well, so my thoughts here are first that, you know, with the fat thing, maybe the Midwest is sort of like Eastern Europe where, you know, they're still listening to

poison and Motley Crew, and they're just not there yet.

And, you know, they still call soda power.

Connor breaks away from another territorial part of the world with that comment, but

they're a little bit behind.

The second is that, do you remember when the Browns had the dog pound thing and they asked everyone to hashtag

they asked everyone to hashtag their tweets DP, DP, which also means something very different.

You know, a lot of adult content that popped up there.

If you're a team, how are you not

envisioning the nightmare scenario here where you've like a Bengals offensive lineman that's like dry heaving in a Miami game in early September, and then someone juxtaposes that large out-of-shape person with like the fat thing?

And then all of a sudden, you know, we're off to the races, and it takes a lot of air out.

It just feels like there's a lot of these mistakes are so preventable.

Yeah, they've done it again.

Again, keep it in the lab in a couple days.

Yeah.

My prediction is you're going to see that wall changed.

You're going to see that.

You're going to see something else on that wall by August.

That's my prediction.

Let's see.

All right.

In other news, let's check in with the Dallas Cowboys.

The Cowboys are

rating up Super Bowl.

What was that?

Just like anything, ratings, like

spike spikes.

Sound off in the comments.

Is this the year for the Cowboys?

Ow!

Let's check in.

Cowboy swagger.

It's kind of been in short supply.

But here comes head coach.

Oh my God, I forgot about this.

The Cowboys hired Brian Schottenheimer as their head coach.

That was a move.

That's where they went.

All right, I'm not going to judge.

Let's see how it plays out.

Anyway, here is Dallas Cowboys head coach, Brian Schottenheimer,

showing a little bravado around America's team.

Ow!

We're going to win.

And when we win, our coaching staff is going to get rated and people are going to come after our coaches because we're going to win.

And so the thought is you develop the guys in the building that you believed in enough to hire and bring here and begin to talk about your culture and your vision and things like that.

Is anybody...

Electric Factory.

Does anybody in?

I will say one thing.

Yes.

I obviously have like a Marty Schottenheimer affinity and fetish, perhaps.

I just think that if you can like you learn from someone that knew how to motivate and work with players and he has been,

it's not like to me, I think it was the hire that obviously was the most vanilla hire.

I want to wait and see because I kind of have this feeling that he might be the right guy at the right time for Dallas.

But that's the kind of thing that will get tweeted and then it looks, I look like I'll be blown up when they're one of those.

I like when you put yourself out there, Mark.

I really, I, I, he's thrown on me.

Say Brian Schottenheimer is a great hire for the Cowboys.

And then when they're six and one in October, we could play this back and you could unbutton your shirt, a few extra buttons, and

celebrating football.

Yeah.

No, I think he was the right.

I think he lines up to me as the right guy right now.

I like it more than had they gone and what does that mean, though?

Like, why do you think that?

Like, what is it?

What is it about him that inspires confidence that he is the right leader for that team at this time?

He is someone, and I've not done this with all the coaches, but I wanted to go watch some of his pressers and stuff, and I realized it's just press conferences.

But hearing players talk about him too, like even the Micah Parsons calling him up to say goodnight with that whole trend, like it tells me that maybe he's able to reach players in a way that I just would not have known.

And

I think that team needs to kind of have like a

change of their soul and their heart and become something different.

And I know that his father was able able to do that with multiple teams.

Does he have that in him?

I will see.

Wait and see.

Maybe.

He doesn't like strike me as a culture changer, you know, the way like Dan Campbell is an example, one prominent example was.

I don't think he strikes anyone that way right now.

Yeah.

But he almost, to me, more profiles, like a lot of people were not over the moon about the Mike McCarthy hire.

It was just, although there are different situations, McCarthy had pelts on the wall, but at the same time, it felt like maybe a little bit of a retread type hire.

That's kind of how I feel about the Schottenheimer hire, where it's it could work, and there's a reason he's been in the league as long as he has.

Uh, but also, this is a guy that was hunting for a head coaching job for 15 years, and then it finally kind of kind of falls into his lap, and all of a sudden he's the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

And that was kind of my point where we got started.

It just kind of surprises me to kind of get some distance from the hire in January, and I'm like, wow, he ended up getting like

arguably the marquee head coaching job in professional football, at least from

the visual and the juice of it all.

Yeah.

My thought here is that I think what Brian can effectively play right now, and I do agree with him that the staff is really good.

Every year I put together the rising head coaches list, and some of the guys that he did bring in, including

Clayton Adams as the offensive coordinator, have been really talked about names in league circles for a while.

Aaron White Cotton, who was with the Jets last year and is going to be their defensive line coach, is another guy from the list that ended up moving over to Dallas.

And so I think that

there are some good coaches there.

And I think the coaches down there are happy or excited this time of year, but everybody is.

But with Schottenheimer, I think the reaction is so vehement against him that you can, at least in the spring months and the early summer months, sort of make that your play, right?

To all the guys.

Like

you've been roundly victimized at this point, and the team either has no choice but to circle the wagons around you or to already cast you off in May and June, which seems like, you know, just not the right thing to do.

And so I think that there's, there's a runway for Schottenheimer.

It's just up to him on whether he can capitalize on it.

Don't do dumb shit in the preseason games.

You know, don't make any sort of glaring game management errors in your first two weeks.

And then maybe you can walk the tightrope here and survive.

Yeah.

just because it's not sexy doesn't mean it won't work.

Sure.

So let's see.

Bruce Arians is a top example of that when he was like he was not.

I found Bruce Arians extremely sexy.

I think

he grew from a sexy angle

as he won.

Yes.

The offensive coordinator Clayton Adams, D.C.

Matt Eberflues, special teams coach Nick Sorensen.

This is interesting, according to our lads.

Do you know who the de facto GM of the Cowboys is?

I always thought it was Jarrah Jarrah/slash, you know, his son, but it's Will McClay.

Dave Will McClay?

Yeah.

Yeah, Will McClay.

All right.

All right, let's take a break here and

get

back to some news right after.

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Let's dive right back into the news around our league, the Colts.

We had Zach Kiefer on the show last week.

It was a flashpoint focus around the Indianapolis Colts and a future that feels like it could go in a lot of different directions following the death of Jim Ursay and Anthony Richardson being at a crossroads as a player himself.

The new Colts owner, you know, it's the daughters of Ursae, but the woman out front is

Carly Ursay Gordon.

And

this is the woman that you've seen on the sidelines from time to time, or is it all the time?

I'm not quite sure.

With a headset on.

And it does, if you are the fan of a team like this, and it doesn't have anything to do with her being a woman.

It's more just like, why is there

a son?

or daughter of the owner on the sideline with a headset on.

It just makes you feel uneasy and like, what is this all about?

She was at a press conference where it was the transition of power type situation.

And she had this to say about why she'll be on the sideline going forward with a headset during games, and then we could figure out what we think about it.

That sort of accelerated my, I need to learn more about this.

I need to be able to say,

is this

person full of BS?

Do they even know what they're talking about?

And the headsets are really, I wish more, I would suggest it for anyone else that has to pay coaches and GMs millions and millions of dollars.

It helps you make a less expensive mistake, potentially.

Hmm.

I don't know if I like it, Connor.

I don't like it because it's first of all, it's a little bit like,

hey, look at me.

I mean, couldn't you do the same thing from upstairs somewhere?

Yes.

And the second part of it is it really doesn't instill a lot of confidence.

It's like when, and this happened to us at NFL, now that I'm thinking about it, one time where we got in trouble and then the boss of the newsroom sent one of his

guys and his chain of command to just stand behind the glass and watch our shows and look over your shoulder.

It doesn't empower anyone involved, and it just, it kind of sends the wrong message in general.

So I don't love it.

I understand where she's coming from, but I feel like it's probably not the best path and it looks like she's going to continue doing it.

Here's the thing.

I've heard some, some of my favorite stories are about what happens on a headset during an NFL game.

And it is one of the most singularly charged atmospheres in all of sports, right?

You have all these people who are shutting themselves away from their family and their children and their livelihood, you know, and everything else to come up with a way to beat like the Raiders on a Thursday.

And this play that you work on for all this time comes in and some guy fumbles the ball.

And of course you're going to yell like, damn it.

And, you know, smash your coffee because it's just, it's such a heartbreaking game.

And do you really want to have to muzzle yourself on the one secure line of communication where everybody's going to understand your pain.

Everyone's going to feel that.

Do you want to worry about how somebody interprets interprets that?

And then, what's your goal here?

Is to have your coach acting like a fake political cowboy kind of guy, just like, we got it, fellas.

Everyone keep a heads up in a sunny day.

And, like, that's not, that's not going to help anybody acting that way.

Like, you just have to act normal in a headset.

So,

she's saying, I advise it for all of their owners.

I think it's a good practice, but just like you said, do it upstairs in your own suite

on a little iPod, you know, or whatever, Airbud.

Write down the notes, and then you can go to the coach later in the week or even another coach and be like, hey, my guy did this.

Is that weird?

Is it weird that they're acting that way?

Like, actually suss it out like somebody who owns an organization and not someone who's just trying to kind of slam their you-know-what into the scenario.

You know, I don't mind her curiosity.

Right.

But to the point that you both made, like, you don't need to be down on the field marching up and down the sideline.

The thing is, like, I'll never forget, in as a freshman in high school, I had the social studies teacher named Mr.

Medvey, and he was very tough on us.

And yet, you know, they did the thing where like the principal comes in to watch the class for like eight minutes, and you know, the teacher's like in a bit of boiling water.

Yeah, all of a sudden the teacher suddenly, yeah.

Yeah, Robin Williams and Definitely.

Yeah, it's like, oh, Mark, like that was a

wonderful comment about deep Asian, like ancient Afghanistan.

Like, and like, I was like, what?

Like, you've never said anything nice to me the whole time.

So I think like you're right.

You want to let that environment be as free and creative and antagonistic and real as it needs to be.

Like you don't want, I don't like when anyone of authority is watching me do anything.

I'll never forget when I first started mowing lawns, like the woman, our next door neighbor, would

stand in the window watching me mow the lawn.

And I was like,

I'll do so much better if you're not watching me.

So I just don't want anyone like on that headset if I'm part of the team.

But I like her.

I like her.

We just sort of said with Jim Ursae, he was different, and we came around to realizing that difference in this league is good.

And so something about it, if it doesn't rub the team the wrong way, I kind of like her curiosity and her desire to know.

Yeah, to that point, I just, I hadn't really seen her as we were watching that.

She looks like she looks feisty and might have some things to say.

I hope she does.

I hope she does share that DNA trait with her old man.

I don't know.

It's not an apples to apples comparison, but it does annoy me when figures in power kind of go out of their way to show that they're

big shots.

And

all through the NBA playoffs, as an example, the guy

David Zasloff,

he is the CEO of Warner Brothers.

And

he was in the middle of all the negotiations for TNT to keep the NBA rights.

And whenever

TBS or TNT was doing their celebrity row,

celebrity check-in for all these games, especially Nick's games, because it's at the garden and all that.

It's always, you know, it's major star, A-list star, major recording artist, and then there's David Zasloff.

And it's like, we don't need to see it.

Like, Zazzy, we don't need to see you.

Like, you are not.

I know

you gave instructions to make sure that we see you, but I don't need, you don't, I can't lump you in with the other people that they've shown in this row.

It's on my, it's on my radar.

That's a good radar pickup.

That would annoy me.

There's a very loose connection to what we were just talking about, but it did come to mind, and now I've shared it.

Zaslov.

Zaslov gets his.

Let's check in with a couple of quarterbacks.

Quarterbacks we like to various degrees or are entertaining figures.

I've shared my

feelings about Jameis Winston, who's treated now as a cuddly teddy bear slash stand-up comedian.

It's interesting what we give people passes for and what we demonize others for.

But anyway, Jameis Winston is, at the very least, a colorful personality.

And I found this funny.

The Giants are going to be a more interesting team with Winston in that quarterback room.

Darius Slayton is a wide receiver for the New York Giants at Giants minicamp.

He shared a little anecdote of what it's like just having conversation with Winston and what makes him so different than most players he's ever played with.

It's like it's so hard to describe.

It's just like how I'm talking right now.

He'll be talking just like this, and it's just the random thoughts that come to his head and they just come out.

And it's like, we were talking about, you know, a slant.

How did we get to Kentucky Fried Chicken?

You know, it's like

just hard and lefts.

Like, I can't think of an exact example, but like, that's how best I could describe it.

It's just like random hard lefts.

But then he comes right back on topics.

It's like, am I tripping or are you tripping?

But, you know, he's a really fun guy to be around.

I think every friend group has a left turn guy, like big left, hard left turn.

And that's Winston, I guess, in that locker room.

And then there's Joe Flacco

currently with the Cleveland Browns.

I feel like he's been on many, many, many teams now since his Ravens heyday.

There was a clip that went around

last week

around Shador Sanders

chatting up Joe Flacco when they were mic'd up on the field.

Sanders was doing a little dance and I think he asked Flacco like, do you do dances?

And Flacco's like, I don't think I've ever danced in my life.

And then he elaborated on what he views to be, quote, embarrassing TikTok dances in our culture.

Joe Flacco taken away.

I know TikTok dances.

The fact that people, that is different to this generation, the fact that people want to get on their phones and show people the most, like, that's embarrassing.

You're an adult.

Like, being an adult, like, it's just like,

I can't wrap my head around that.

And, like, I get it.

Like, you have kids and, like, you want to, like, you want to, like, have fun with your kids.

Like, well, like, have fun with your kids in private.

You know, that's what I do.

Nice.

Dad, get off my lawn.

Hell yeah.

Good for him.

You know, and that's the thing, like,

With Shadur coming in is there's always been that fine line and there's that there's that emotional intelligence that you need when you step into a situation like this.

But to immediately think that when you're mic'd up, like I'm gonna kind of like juxtapose myself with Flacco and get some good content out of it.

Good for him for shutting that shit down.

It's just like, no, man, you know, learn your shit and let's go out here and win week one.

This is a job.

Get a briefcase.

And I think his take is on point.

Like, there's so much garbage and nonsense happening.

Not to be like, I'm in the same on this, you know, I'm also on the person's lawn.

I don't think everyone should be stopped from dancing but I could see I'd say a large majority should be not allowed to do that anymore at this point online on TikTok there's so many things like yeah that are just old old no no no no no no no no no because shaking your fist at the car are you not doing the kids dance let the kids dance you know what's worse let them express themselves there's dancing and then there's um

sometimes when you're when the algorithm hits you with like relatable parent content um there's these times when like the the kids will do something and then the mom just immediately or the dad flips on the phone and is like you know when your three-year-old like eats a cookie and lies about it and it's like this thing got three million views and this little child feels like a giant asshole like we should this thing shouldn't exist at all like think about what this has given us in life versus what it's taken away i'm with flat like i would go a step further let's let's find the plug underneath the atlantic ocean just shut this all down you know what i mean?

Just to plug the whole damn thing.

How are we going to do a show then?

The entire internet?

You know, find us somewhere.

We just start doing a show from a hilltop.

And then we just email out individual Eps's DVDs, like OG Netflix.

Awesome.

Like a hilltop and like.

The new podcast is here.

Kind of see where you're coming from, but yeah.

Yeah, we just go somewhere.

We go find like a

grassy knoll somewhere in the foothills of Ireland and just do a show.

And then, like, whoever shows up shows up.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, we have a plan B when they unplug the whole

system.

All right.

Now,

this is interesting.

You remember Antonio Brown?

Yeah.

Antonio Brown was five years ago, I would say, like on a very

straight path to the Hall of Fame.

I mean, he is,

it would blow

a lot of people's minds to, like, for instance, my son, my youngest Harrison, has really gotten into sports in the last year, and it's adorable.

He'll like lay in bed and just study the backs of baseball cards.

Like, it's 1958, and then just hit me with like crazy, like, data points.

Like, daddy, did you know that Jorge Soler hit 48 home runs for the Marlins in 2021?

I'm like, wow, that's a nugget.

That's a nug, bro, in a big spot.

And to that point, like, if I let Harry take a look at Antonio Brown's stats from his heyday, can you fly those up, Justin?

You would say this guy is one of the greatest to ever play the position.

That's how

that's how good Antonio Brown was.

And the way his career flamed out

is just outrageous.

Remember, Mr.

Big Chest, that was one of his nicknames.

Like, I'm looking at his stats.

Starting with his fourth season in Pittsburgh through his

last season in Pittsburgh, and then things went sideways right after that with a pit stop in New England and then Tampa with Brady.

But here's the numbers: 110, 1,508, 129, 1,713,

136, 1,834, and 10, 106, 1,284, and 12, 101, 1,533, and 9, 104, 1,315.

All-pro first team four straight years during that stretch, and all-pro second team the other year.

This guy's wanted for attempted murder right now.

Or he was, was he, let me just get this right.

He is facing a warrant for his arrest on a charge of attempted murder with a firearm.

This involves an event at a celebrity boxing event last month in Miami.

He claimed at the time he was jumped by multiple individuals who tried to steal his jewelry and cause physical harm.

And according to the police report,

after said event happened, allegedly,

he is accused of taking a gun from a security officer at the event and then chasing a man with it and shooting at him twice and possibly grazing the man's neck with one of the bullets.

So that is a pretty hardcore situation.

And just again, pointing out that five years ago, this guy was the greatest wide receiver in the world.

And he's obviously a mentally troubled individual based on everything we've been hearing in his social media in recent years.

And now, you know, I don't know if he's on the lamb or what, but pretty crazy story.

It's, I mean,

it is a study in unchecked mental health problems, gone totally wayward.

It's like, I guess it's like whenever we, it seems like, you know, Antonio Brown news pops up.

This is of a more serious nature than some of it.

But his presence online, like sort of who he's been as a person, too.

I think one thing that stood out to me was like when you had someone like Tom Brady going out of his way to stand up for you and speak on your behalf, and then you betrayed him as well.

That to me stood out as like, you're just not really

seeing the world the way that we are.

And so you're going to get...

I think in these situations, I think the problem is they increase in severity.

I don't know exactly what happened here, but when you're taking a gun from a security officer and

shooting it twice at someone,

you should not really be part of our society on some level.

Like, you shouldn't be going to celebrity boxing matches.

I'd start there.

I mean, to trace the,

I mean, famously, I remember interviewing the guy who caught Antonio Brown's gloves when he flung them into the crowd at MetLife Stadium and thinking.

Was that his last game?

Was that his final game and he walked on, took his shoes off, and like just walked off waving?

2021.

I believe it was.

I think that's how he granted that that the Meadowlands.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And just to think of the line that we've drawn to this point, he interestingly, he had a, he tweeted a Malcolm X quote about basically saying that the media was responsible for

this attempted murder charge.

Naturally.

And it's just like, you know, it's a window into, I guess, how you view personal responsibility at this point.

And, and, but, but it's just like, what, what can be done?

I, I, I don't know.

Do you, do you, do you arrest him?

Do you like, no degree of interference has seemed to help at this point.

And it's sad.

It's a bummer to see something happen like that.

All right.

So we'll, we'll follow that story.

I mean, he's not connected to the league anymore.

But again, he was, you know, in the, especially in our NFL media era, he was like a towering figure.

All right.

In other news, another wide receiver.

His name is Rashi Rice, who

talented guy.

He's had his own legal issues, actually.

I'm not sure what's going on with his legal issues.

We'll figure that out.

That will come out in time.

But he is coming back from a very bad leg injury last season that ended what looked like it was about to be a breakout Pro Bowl-type season with the Chiefs.

He's working his way back.

Sounds like he's ready to roll.

And he becomes the latest.

This has become a trope alert as we get into the trope alert section of our program today.

A chief or someone connected to the Chiefs saying, you know, I know you've been waiting for it for a few years now, but this is the year the Chiefs offense goes back on the, well, offensive.

We've got a lot of guys.

We're deep in depth.

Wide receiver group.

Don't be explosive this year.

We're just excited to put on the show tomorrow.

Mark and Connor are like, turn down that rocket and no dancing.

That rap music.

Oh, they call it music.

I don't care what music it is.

I don't care what the genre is, but to play it at a deafening level while you're trying to speak to each other.

I mean, if it was rap more like crap.

He has us as the adults and foot loose.

That's not where I was coming from.

I said many should be allowed to dance.

Some should not.

Some should not.

For the betterment of the.

I think I took something and then stretched it beyond its bounds.

Yeah.

That might.

I don't do those things.

I don't know why you would ever accuse me of such a thing.

Use my words carefully.

To no avail.

Don't forget that I'm an asshole.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Yeah, Rice, we're going to put on a show this season.

I hope so, but I've now reached the stage where I'm not going to buy in on this anymore.

Because remember, that was really, you want to talk about, there's a lot of people that I'll, especially as somebody who plays fantasy.

And

when you get into August and you're...

preparing for your fantasy draft and you're listening to people that are really plugged in and are studying X's and O's and also the player acquisitions and how they could be used and the offense and all that.

And what always happens inevitably is these people get sucked into

the hype around Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and Playmaker X, Y, and Z.

But that's not how they choose to play football to win.

And I don't think we're going to see...

And I hope I'm wrong because they were a lot more fun to watch the Chiefs.

I think some of the Chiefs' pushback, honestly, Mark, is that they stopped being this explosive, fun, shoot-em-up team and became this, like, almost, I don't want to say they were Patriots-like, because they're different dynasties, but this, like, we know how to win.

We know how to keep a game close.

We always figure out how to make one more play and win a lot of close games.

And that is the formula they've used for several years.

And they keep going back to the Super Bowl.

So I don't imagine all of a sudden we're going to see this, like, Patrick Mahomes thrown for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns again.

I just don't expect it anymore.

No, and I think Andy Reed, who seems always to be learning and doubling down on stuff, even within the days or weeks between a game,

has created a team that can play with almost anyone.

Unless, you know, the wheels come off like against the Eagles.

They've got 14 receivers on the roster right now.

And I think the point was like since Tyreek Hill, this is the best collection they have.

Because I think the problem was you're also watching Tyreek Hill blow up the league in Miami

while the Chiefs look the way they look.

But you've got Xavier Worthy.

You still have Juju.

You've got Rice.

There's other guys like Will Skymore, Will Justin Ross.

Will these guys break out?

They drafted a guy in the fourth round, Jalen Royals, who's interesting as well.

So you've got a bunch of dudes.

I think you're like making up for it, but it kind of reminds me of the Packers for a little bit.

It's like it's unclear who the lead dog here is or how the Packers were a year ago, right?

It's like

from a fantasy.

Coming off a major knee injury.

Like, that's a big question.

And Kelsey came off a season season where he looks super old.

I have my doubts, Connor, that

when you look at this depth chart, that they have the playmakers to even do what Rice is saying.

Well, we're comparing them against something that will never be again, right?

Because it was an in-prime Kelsey and Tyreek Hill.

And the way that they were able to play off one another, one basically sucking all the defenders into the, you know, into the intermediate part of the field, and then the other just absolutely knifing through the back end without a lot of coverage and a lot of people to help.

I mean, that was a dynamic and a duo that you really can't replicate.

And now what's interesting to me is that Kelsey's coming into camp now.

I think reports are saying 20 to 25 pounds down

from last season, which is usually kind of, I mean, I'm at that age now, right, where you're trying to blame a lot of your problems on a little excess spare tire around the waist and think that maybe that'll help solve your problems, but takes them out of the fold as a blocker.

And so I do think that there is some, you know there could be some repercussions for that the moment that tyreek hill left they started looking for whether it was client edwards alaire or eventually isaiah pacheco and signing joe tooney and all that it was always we're gonna go to the ground game we have to get away from this because i think they knew it it's it's it's not replicable.

And so it's just like asking the 2017 Patriots to be the 20, what is it?

What was the Randy Moss Patriots, the 2007 Patriots?

Yeah.

And so you're just asking a team to be something that they're never going to be again.

And I think that we need to kind of get that version of the Chiefs

out of our revenue.

Yeah.

I think if you know, Kelsey, if you asked me what would be

an over-under for yards and touchdowns, where I would have to think about it one way,

if he gave me,

I don't know, seven

700 and 4.5,

I'd have to think hard for both at this point.

And I imagine watching, because that was a humbling game tape to watch for everyone connected to the Chiefs, but maybe none more so than for Travis Kelsey, who I, all those replays that you're watching of him failing to get over to pick up a block and chugging along on a, you know, on a drag route or just unable to get any type of distance away from the defenders.

He looked so old and slow.

And,

you know, it is the age.

It's the amount of games that he's played.

And I always did think, not to put this on the international pop star that he's been dating for a couple of years now, but like his lifestyle changed so much

last year and the last two years that that offseason last year probably was just a whirlwind roller coaster of being a celebrity.

And maybe this is the wake-up call.

So maybe that's the case for him giving you more than he gave you last year.

But also, he's just older now.

So he's still a major part of it.

Like, what does he give you?

Because that makes so much of that offense go.

All right.

A few transactions to hit.

Cam Akers signs with the Saints.

The Rams are dealing with issues on their offensive line.

D.J.

Humphreys signs a one-year deal after Laric Jackson

is dealing with some blood clots again.

Jordan Rodrigue, our buddy, reported

that this is obviously something he's dealt with in the past.

The Rams did not draft tackle depth, and Rob Havenstein is recovering this offseason from cleanout procedures on both shoulders.

So, the tackle position is something to keep a watch on as the Rams head back to training camp after their Maui excursion.

And let's finish with a little bit of another episode.

How about this?

Justin up to his old tricks, won another app of Remember the Titans.

Very nice, Justin.

I just found this to be funny.

The headline alone, this is from Variety, which, Mark, you know, you're living in Hollywood.

Yeah, I'll show you.

Variety is a long-standing trade publication there covering the show business.

I alone would know that.

You're just a little closer to the industry in some ways, you know, living in Tinseltown yourself, as you do.

Right in the shadow of Man's Theater.

Anyway, not wrong.

The Cam Ward story, a six-part docuseries about this year's NFL draft number one pick.

How about that?

This is great.

Justin, great job.

The number one overall pick, he has his own docuseries, and now everyone can get to know him better.

What's it going to be on?

Is it going to be on HBO?

Is it going to be on Amazon?

Is it going to be on Hulu?

Is it going to be on a major broadcast television?

Maybe they just drop it right after Matt Lock is a lady now.

Who knows?

No, it's going to be on Tubai.

Tubi?

Tubi.

Oh, the free one.

I mean, Gravy, jump in here.

This is what I'm talking about with Cam Ward.

I don't know who his agent is.

I don't know who's responsible for what's going on.

But we're trying, what we are trying to do is we want to position Cam Ward.

What's so funny, Connor?

We want to position Cam Ward as a legitimate sensation, a guy that everyone should be excited about.

And we keep on having these setbacks.

I mean, whether it's he can't even get the

jersey swap with a fifth-round pick.

And I think there was another one in the mix now.

And now this, like, he's got to be on a major streamer if he's going to assign pen to paper.

Like, what did he make for this?

$800?

Tubi doesn't have deep pockets.

Where's Tubi?

Who could find such a thing?

Well, Tubi is free for anyone, so therefore it's technically more accessible than a paywall like Amazon Prime or Netflix.

Oh no.

Number two,

Tubi acquired the right.

This was produced independently.

Tubi did not produce this.

This was produced independently by another company.

I can't remember the name, but I did read the article.

And Tubi acquired the rights, which means they know, which means they paid for them, which means there's some money behind their decision to go acquire this property.

It's going to bring some eyeballs to Tubi Miami Tula.

It's the Titans fans.

It's like Titans.

You know, the GM app, which once again popped up this weekend in the sports world where the Red Sox traded their great slugger, Raphael Devers, a known Yankee killer, to the Giants for a bag of baseballs.

Get on the GM app and see if anybody wants a guy that could be a Hall of Famer for a while.

Right, instead of

an abyss.

Right.

I mean, how about reach out to us?

We could have put this on the Patreon, patreon.com/slash eat the call.

Like

that, that might, that's, I think, a bigger audience than on Tubai.

Well,

we want the Titans to be a bigger deal.

Because we love you, Justin, and we keep on running into these very clear signs of, you know, I don't know.

This is a tough one.

This is a tough ep of remember the Titans.

This could put Tubi on the map, though.

You know, everyone starts somewhere.

You got to start acquiring big properties and big names to make a name for yourself.

And I think Toobi has made a very smart, strategic decision to go after the next great NFL quarterback.

At first blush, my comment to myself was, six parts feels five parts too many.

I mean,

it's telling his whole story from high school through college to being.

Tuba's like, we're buying low.

Like literally like 400 bucks.

We're in at the ground floor with Cam Ward.

Okay, enough.

They did, and I know Dan said, you said you would never watch it, understandable, but they did a Netflix documentary on the Red Sox comeback over the Yankees in 04 in four parts.

And it was the greatest, one of the greatest moments in Major League Baseball history.

There's two more chapters to the Cam Mort story on Tubi.

As Nashville radio host Buck Rising pointed out, the Tiger Woods dock is only two episodes.

And this thing is a very good thing.

This is a major, and this goes beyond, of course, the Ward Enterprise.

They go to the extreme on the other end, but this is not in the streamer world, which I guess Tubi is existing.

Everyone always goes way too long with these.

Yeah, as you're saying, Connor.

It's like, why tell a story in

two parts when we could tell it in four or six?

Like, it's a better show if you give us a lesson.

There were three godfathers.

Right.

And a lot of people said that's one too many.

Right.

I will also say they are not debuting this until September.

And if it's six parts, I don't know what the rollout schedule is going to be, but I assume it's like one a week.

If the Titans are 0-6, nobody's watching part six anyway.

If the Titans are 6-0, they might be.

Why not give us this now?

We got five weeks till training camp where nothing's happening.

I'm going to go out on limb here and say Tubai doesn't have their arms around this one.

Two by.

I love that it exists, though, as a Titans fan, and I'm sure Miami Hurricanes fans will also love that it exists.

Does it exist, though?

We'll see.

I've never used Tubi before, but I definitely will be using it in September.

I have, it is ad-ridden.

Like, they chop these, like, a movie up 14 times.

Unless maybe, maybe they've changed their model at this point, but like, you got a lot of free time while you watch one of these shows.

I mean, you put it on the Patreon for Heath the Call.

We're dropping maybe one ad break in there, perhaps.

Tops.

That just feels like a missed opportunity by the Ward Enterprise.

All right.

There you go.

We will be back.

We will be back on Thursday.

We're going to let the minicamps marinate and get every

last morsel

of actual football news.

Because as we said, once these last mini camp shut down,

the tap goes dry in the NFL on news, unless it's the blotter or whatever, from

this week.

to

the end of July.

So we'll be all over whatever happens this week in the NFL.

So make sure you're there for that and all sorts of fun stuff going on on the Patreon.

So make sure you check that out.

Connor, did you have anything you wanted to add before we say goodbye?

I don't think so.

I do want to add this one thing.

There was some discussion in the subreddit about a shirt, and I said I would send a shirt, and the person didn't believe that he thought I was like a scam artist.

Oh, my God.

It was really me.

I sent you the shirt.

So it's...

wow it's it actually it so this is just like two people interacting on the podcast right now it just and connor like sending out the message in the bottle and hoping it gets to whoever this person is

thank you connor i just i don't want to it's kind of you i don't want to be a creep there you go i hope you get that message whoever you are and uh and we'll see you on thursday till then do what you must heed the call

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