Winners & Losers from Head Coach Introductory Press Conferences

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Speaker 11 Calling all hedonists, I, Dan Hansos, and Mark Sessler are taking heed the call into the real world with a pair of live shows in New Orleans Thursday, February 6th.

Speaker 7 One at 5 p.m.

Speaker 11 and another one at 7 p.m.

Speaker 24 Come to one show.

Speaker 16 Hell, come to both shows.

Speaker 25 They won't be exactly the same, or maybe they will.

Speaker 9 I don't know, Mark. What did you tell me?

Speaker 5 I don't think they could ever be the same. That's not how we do things.

Speaker 5 I mean, in both versions, we're going to take you around the league as we always do with depth, clarity, and just a little touch of mirth.

Speaker 5 So come see the OG Heroes along with some familiar friends in person at Sports Drink Cafe and Comedy Club in New Orleans, Dan.

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Speaker 11 Dan Hands is here. Mark Sessler, my bud,

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Speaker 11 Going to the Travis concert tonight in Hollywood.

Speaker 31 What a life.

Speaker 5 It's so telling that we initially, you know, I cooked up a plan to invite two other people, won't even say who they were. And because Travis is a tough sell for anyone that was not.
But

Speaker 32 we can are significant others.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, they both found a way to, you know, because it's not certainly not a band that either one of them cared.
One has never heard of them, mine.

Speaker 5 And yours had been pulled to one of those shows at some point and made a hard decision not to return, I think. And they both found a way to not

Speaker 5 go with us tonight. And you can't resell them.
So we're going to have a very wide berth of four seats to enjoy the show, maybe even take a look at it.

Speaker 33 A little bit of a bath on it.

Speaker 38 Honey, remember the band from 1997 that charted at 475 in America, the Scottish band Travis?

Speaker 39 Do you want to go to a show on a Tuesday night?

Speaker 37 No, that didn't get. But I'm excited about it.
I can't wait to see it.

Speaker 11 And I know there's a lot of people that listen to this show overseas. They're like, you guys are going to see Travis.

Speaker 37 That's amazing.

Speaker 40 Let's welcome in Connor Orr, our buddy. What's up, bud?

Speaker 42 I was very confused, but

Speaker 42 I'm excited that you guys are going out. You're having a good time.
You know, wish you lived in New Jersey. We could do this stuff all the time.

Speaker 5 That would be nice.

Speaker 5 That would be nice. We could do that.
We could arrange that.

Speaker 21 We have a lot to get to.

Speaker 43 This show is sneaky

Speaker 11 action-packed because of of the coaching carousel is slowing to a crawl.

Speaker 47 And in fact, I think there's, what, just one job opening left in New Orleans?

Speaker 30 Am I right about that? Correct.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 37 So we're going to get to all the different press conferences

Speaker 36 and all that.

Speaker 11 But I just want to put a button on championship weekend,

Speaker 45 boys.

Speaker 11 And, you know, one thing that I was thinking about was how the NFL,

Speaker 44 there's this this entire season every year of like 200 plus games across 18 weeks, and stuff happens all the time where you're watching, you're like, oh, the NFL should fix that.

Speaker 51 They should adjust that.

Speaker 6 But the only time things actually change is when things go haywire in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 And I was just thinking about in recent years, in the last eight years or so, you had the ultimately doomed pass interference rule that cost the Saints a Super Bowl bid against the Rams in the NFC title game.

Speaker 11 You had the 13 seconds game,

Speaker 50 Chiefs bills that led to the changing of the overtime rules.

Speaker 11 You had last year's Super Bowl in which every kickoff was a touchback, and finally, that was like the final impetus to change the kickoff rule to make it a play again.

Speaker 3 You saw the reporting

Speaker 53 that has come out recently about the sliding, the quarterback protection

Speaker 11 that could now, instead of guys like Patrick Mahomes and other favored sons getting these calls and changing games, that could be included in NFL replay assist.

Speaker 40 And I want to say, okay, that's all, I actually don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 32 I think it's a little funny that it has to happen in the playoffs, Connor.

Speaker 11 But I do also want to point out, as we close the door in the AFC championship game and we talk about that huge fourth and one play

Speaker 56 with the bills being stopped short controversially,

Speaker 5 put a goddamn chip in the football already.

Speaker 52 There was, I really liked John Boyd.

Speaker 57 John Boyd does great work.

Speaker 45 Mostly baseball people know him as, but he does other sports.

Speaker 3 And he put together a great video showing all different angles and studying, you know, it looked like Josh Allen got the first down.

Speaker 5 In fact, he looked at

Speaker 49 the Kincaid reception prior to that on third down, and it looked like he actually kept his knee up long enough that he got the first down.

Speaker 35 And what

Speaker 37 John Boyd pointed out was

Speaker 35 the problem here, beyond the fact that there's no chip in the balls, we don't even know what they're looking at when they go to the replay assist.

Speaker 31 So the fact that they didn't change it is because what are they even trying to change without any scientific data to go off other than just seeing a big scrum of people and two officials on the field that were, frankly, blocked out of the real view.

Speaker 42 It's all interesting, right? And so I have two things to kind of answer your question with in terms of like data tracking and GPS tracking, because this is something that I've looked into.

Speaker 42 There are companies that have chips and balls. There are teams that pay for that service because the reason they want it is because they can get RPMs on their quarterback when they throw.

Speaker 42 And teams that live in playing cold weather environments want a quarterback who can have a higher RPM because there's a belief that it's more wind resistant, right? There's chips and balls.

Speaker 42 You can do that. But remember the Alliance of American Football?

Speaker 42 The ill-fated like Spring League. Yeah.

Speaker 42 So they had been the team that they were the ones that really started experimenting with, you know, the whole football field is sort of a data grid and all that stuff.

Speaker 42 And they had chips in their balls, right?

Speaker 42 But what was interesting is some of their first games, like just an example of how many things could go wrong and fail and how many trials and errors they're going to need to do before this gets right.

Speaker 42 Their first game, this big moment, all of a sudden, they didn't compute. The computers didn't understand that the computers are led to believe there's 11 guys on each side of the ball.

Speaker 42 But during a possession change, all of a sudden, there's like 55 people on the field and the computer was just bugging the hell out and like shorting.

Speaker 42 And so there's all these weird kind of like incongruencies that happen during a football game that are really hard to data map and to get on the same page.

Speaker 42 And so eventually, could we get to the spot where everything is within a centimeter of a data point and you could be able to measure it? Yeah.

Speaker 42 In the NFL's defense, I just don't know if they're there yet. You know, I really do think it probably would need to to take more time.
We'll get there.

Speaker 20 I mean, we built the atomic bomb.

Speaker 27 We created the internet.

Speaker 20 We went to the moon.

Speaker 61 You're telling me

Speaker 19 we can't figure this out.

Speaker 35 And with all due respect to the Alliance of American Football, and I'm not looking at Major League Baseball as a paragon of how to run a professional sports league, but they have been now for years investigating the idea of Robo-umps, essentially, using a strike zone that's automated.

Speaker 11 And they've been using for multiple years using their minor league system to test this as they inch closer to that reality.

Speaker 49 Now, I understand there's not a apples to apples NFL comparison with that in terms of a feeder system to work on this stuff, but figure something out.

Speaker 62 I mean, you are a $15 billion company or whatever.

Speaker 59 Like, let's go.

Speaker 48 Let's go.

Speaker 5 Can I ask a dumb question, like, scientifically? Because I'm thinking of this visually. You'd use the chip and the ball to find out in that case if it had reached a certain point on the field.

Speaker 5 But like, so they microchip cats, right? If you lose your cat, you can figure out where it is, but it's just a cat and you pick the cat up.

Speaker 5 But like where in the ball itself, would you have to wire like the entire frame of the ball with microchips?

Speaker 5 Because if it's on, if it's in the middle and it shows you that it's, you know, it's sitting here in the middle, we don't know where if the chip that it's at, should be at the end of the ball actually touched the line.

Speaker 5 Does that sound dumb? It's like you'd have to almost wire the entire football with like a line of microchip or something that you can read to find out exactly where the ball was positioned.

Speaker 63 And you'd have to time it up with when the knee goes down, because if the ball reaches a certain position, but the knee is already touched, then it doesn't matter how

Speaker 44 we went to the moon.

Speaker 63 It's pretty confusing.

Speaker 30 Connor, we went to the moon.

Speaker 42 So, Dan, to your point, can we do it? Yes, but like,

Speaker 42 this is the same version of the conversation that, for example, the NFL is playing in

Speaker 42 Spain next year, right? And Real Madrid has the field that has the nine different surfaces, and they can take one surface out and put it on top of the other and so they can always have natural grass.

Speaker 42 We can do that here, but it's just like it's going to cost a lot of money that a lot of people don't want to spend. And so how much does the NFL want to reinvest in the product and

Speaker 42 microchip their players like cats? Yeah.

Speaker 65 By the way, we don't need to microchip cats.

Speaker 48 Well, I get

Speaker 5 we all understand that you're against that type of animal. I'm just saying that they do.
I wasn't even saying pro or con.

Speaker 32 I'm just saying like, oh, the cat's gone.

Speaker 65 No, Biggie.

Speaker 45 I got a lot of takes this morning.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 you are on edge.

Speaker 32 I'm shot out of a cannon.

Speaker 30 All right.

Speaker 38 That's one of the many reasons I love having you on the show, Connor, because

Speaker 11 you've studied this, and I'm just coming from an emotional place of,

Speaker 50 damn, that changes lives.

Speaker 36 That changed Josh Allen's life fundamentally, what happened in that game.

Speaker 37 And Bills fans in Western New York who are still in mourning or still in bed from that game.

Speaker 54 And I'll go as far as saying, if you watch enough replays of that, it is quite apparent that Josh Allen got the first down.

Speaker 11 And it's just so frustrating that they, it's just a flawed system.

Speaker 42 Do you want to hear my insane level take on like victim blaming take on this? Always.

Speaker 48 Okay.

Speaker 42 All right. I'm like a little bit scared to have it go live, but I'm just going to, I'm going to let, I'm going to let this dove go.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 42 I did a story a couple years ago on how unofficiatable an NFL game is, just in general, like after the Saints Rams game with the pass, the blatant pass interference.

Speaker 42 And, you know, the speed of the game, the legal picks, like everything is designed to like kind of screw over an official in some way, shape, or form and get away with something, right?

Speaker 42 And then you add in this sub-narrative of the Chiefs and them getting all the calls.

Speaker 42 And isn't there just a possibility of a human element here where all of these refs were just legitimately shitting their pants during this game?

Speaker 42 Because, you know, and you could say that they're part of this big network of conspiracies involved with all the gambling companies and their, you know, all this stuff.

Speaker 42 Or they're just like us and they read the same shit we do.

Speaker 42 And they're like, holy shit, if I blow this call, if I say something about Mahomes, if I do this, then I'm totally effed for the rest of my career. And they're just as nervous as the players are.

Speaker 42 And it led to some legitimate mistakes, like Mark said on the Sunday show. One guy marking here, one guy marking here, and everybody just has a little poop in their pants.

Speaker 67 And if the Chiefs always play at home in these big crucible games, and there is a human element, and everyone's always saying, why does it always seem like calls go the Chiefs' way?

Speaker 54 Can you start red-stringing that is actually, it's plausible that a lot of that referee says it's probably safer for me to to go a little short of the line than to go past the line in case I'm wrong.

Speaker 6 And a microcheap,

Speaker 49 if they could figure it out, would let those officials off the hook in that way as well because science would be the data, not their judgment from 30 yards away with a bunch of 220-pound professional athletes blocking their vision.

Speaker 30 And when you were 40-pound tackles.

Speaker 5 When you have two refs and one said yes and one said no, it kind of is like the Kennedy assassination when like the Secret Service would come in and say to citizens, you didn't see that.

Speaker 5 You did not see that. Like,

Speaker 5 how did that conversation go down and who just automatically won it?

Speaker 25 John Boy made a good point in his video, and I implore everyone to check it out because he really did a nice job with it.

Speaker 55 He said, who decides which spot was, is it just the guy who gets there first?

Speaker 32 Because the guy that spotted is the first down, if you watch it,

Speaker 11 a player, a Kansas City player gets in his way, not on purpose, but it causes him to kind of have to loop around him and then even changes his path line a little bit as he goes toward the football.

Speaker 35 And the guy that marked him short was not impeded in any way and got to the ball first.

Speaker 16 So is that just,

Speaker 60 we could do better than that.

Speaker 42 Okay, two more. I promise this is the last conversation we're going to have about microchips, like at all.
Like, you know, the laser levels?

Speaker 42 You know, you're working on it.

Speaker 37 You mean the entrapment film with Catherine Zeta Jones, where she got underneath the red lasers?

Speaker 36 That's basically the depth of my knowledge of this world.

Speaker 42 When you're hanging up a picture at home, there's a tool that you can use you can put it against the wall and it gives you a straight line right if you're an official wouldn't it just be as helpful to just be able to laser level a straight path towards the ball where you think it is and the only other thing that i'll say about chips and balls and then please don't let me talk about this anymore uh the a chip in the ball having every ball chipped right and there's however many balls you can look back at the new or the new england patriots uh deflate gate uh investigation there's a ton of balls right uh don't Too many balls.

Speaker 70 Too many for you, Jim.

Speaker 42 And what happens is another Alliance of American football example, each of these balls costs like $500, right?

Speaker 42 So the first touchdown that was thrown in the scored in the league, the player gets excited and fires the ball into the stadium, and someone runs away with it.

Speaker 33 And then they're like, oh,

Speaker 42 like that was like, we don't have that many of them. And so, again, that's another reason why, you know, so just take that as you will.
So anyway,

Speaker 5 unbelievable. That could be our episode.
We could wrap right there, and we'll see you on Thursday.

Speaker 38 We could, and yet we're just getting going.

Speaker 11 Before we hit the news and get caught up on the carousel,

Speaker 11 I do want to just touch on one more thing, Connor, before we get going.

Speaker 52 And I do, I have to be honest with you, I hesitate or hesitated to bring it up.

Speaker 32 I do come from a journalism background, and occasionally I do some

Speaker 53 diving and digging, just like you.

Speaker 36 And

Speaker 7 I came across something that I thought was important to share with you.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 33 I'll just, I mean,

Speaker 42 it's just like a goddamn magician thing from a few weeks ago. Like, I love these gotcha things that I just walk into it.

Speaker 4 Like, this is every 10 episodes.

Speaker 11 This is the opposite of got you, honestly, because I know you are the proud owner, and I stress proud owner of a 2016 Chrysler town and country.

Speaker 67 Sure.

Speaker 36 Minivan, it's something that you have a family that's growing, which we're all very excited about.

Speaker 51 And you want to have a sturdy family car.

Speaker 6 And this car I know means a lot to you.

Speaker 51 You got it recently that when you made your multiple sojourns to Philadelphia during this postseason, you didn't even take the town of country for fear that it could be compromised in some way.

Speaker 50 So it brings me no joy.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 15 I also want to say,

Speaker 25 no, this is serious.

Speaker 37 It brings me no joy to bring this up, but I also think it would make me a bad friend not to at least put this on your radar.

Speaker 14 Okay, I was on Reddit, and here it is.

Speaker 23 Used cars to avoid

Speaker 13 119 models to stay away from, and I scroll down and hot damn if it wasn't right there.

Speaker 20 Go to price of town to country 2013 through 16, which is exactly your model.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 2 so, yes, your car perhaps,

Speaker 6 I don't know if this is news to you, but but that is just some digging that I did.

Speaker 57 And are we dealing with a lemon?

Speaker 49 I don't know, but now you have the information.

Speaker 42 Can we please just not tell my very pregnant wife who would probably just, you know, that would just be spiral worthy. So let's just.

Speaker 5 For what reason should we avoid it? Like, is it just a crumbling like internally?

Speaker 64 Like,

Speaker 4 I'll read the subhead.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And if you're watching on YouTube, you saw it, but it's in all black caps, used cars to avoid. And then subhead, these 119 models.

Speaker 42 It's not 119 models.

Speaker 71 It's a lot of cars.

Speaker 24 It's thorough. The research was thorough.

Speaker 11 Have records of much worse than average reliability based on responses to our annual auto surveys.

Speaker 52 We suggest crossing them off your list, particularly those with multiple model years listed.

Speaker 58 And the TNC had four years listed.

Speaker 58 Okay.

Speaker 11 Keep an eye on that. I didn't even know where we go from here conversationally, but I needed to get that to you.

Speaker 33 And I couldn't even wait until we were off the air. It had to happen now.

Speaker 42 I got to go get a new fing car. This is what I got to do.

Speaker 5 Dan, you're a good friend because it's kind of like if you saw a friend's girlfriend kissing another guy at the bar.

Speaker 71 Yeah, like, but you know what you did. You told him, right?

Speaker 5 And that's what he just did for you, Connor. And I think you, you know, it may be tough news, but in the end, it's Dan's nobility shining through.
I think you did the right thing, Dan.

Speaker 49 And like your friend telling your friend that, and he loves her, and you could see his heart breaking too.

Speaker 11 I just saw Connor's heart explode because that car I know means a lot, but it is, you know, potentially not something you want in the, in the garage.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 42 So, yeah, I mean, I think the only solution now is to drive it to the Jersey shore and just push it into the, push it into the ocean. Just throw it neutral and let it go.

Speaker 41 You bought it from a friend, right?

Speaker 42 Yeah, I might just.

Speaker 5 Maybe your friend knew this. Like, that's what would concern me if he was like, we got to get rid of this thing, you know?

Speaker 42 And there's like, you know, there's deception, there's lies, and, you know, we're just in the middle of this web. Yeah.

Speaker 44 Do you know what's funny, though, Mark, that you saying that, we know the different layers to Connor, that might actually trigger some investigating in earnest

Speaker 41 with this friend.

Speaker 48 Well, just

Speaker 42 I think there's been a few times where

Speaker 42 like I've looked up

Speaker 42 criminal records, stuff like that really quickly that like people are like, okay, well, not that it's like a thing that you would be scared of, but it's like, I probably just wouldn't

Speaker 42 with this guy in that way, you know, like, just in terms of like, if I have anything in the closet, you know, but I don't know. We'll see.
All right. Might be fun.

Speaker 42 It might be like a fun thing during the early pregnancy just to investigate someone, like, tail them.

Speaker 38 And, you know, and nobody, do not tell Connor's pregnant wife.

Speaker 45 Everybody.

Speaker 48 I implore you to shut the f up on this.

Speaker 48 Okay.

Speaker 64 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Shut your mouth.

Speaker 15 Let's do some news.

Speaker 6 TNC.

Speaker 37 Tough man.

Speaker 73 Potentially compromised.

Speaker 42 We have a big TNC outing planned for this weekend, too.

Speaker 42 Oh, boy. Well, because we're going to go to the library and the kids can rent a DVD to play on the DVD players while we drive to my grandma's house.
Yeah.

Speaker 49 Hopefully we don't have to do that. Put a lot of stress on the battery.

Speaker 42 I know.

Speaker 66 You're not driving to the country or anything, are you?

Speaker 44 I want to take it through any marshlands or anything like that.

Speaker 58 Or over a bridge.

Speaker 42 I can't wait now. Like the absolute shit-level jinx that you've put on this car, and then we're just going to be on like I-80 and it's going to be 20 degrees outside.

Speaker 65 And I'm going to be like, fucking dan.

Speaker 5 It's going to be on your mind every time you're going to be.

Speaker 42 Every time I start this car, now I would be so nervous.

Speaker 55 Just that, just, I would treat it like a golf card going forward.

Speaker 20 I would keep it under 20.

Speaker 32 You could still use it, but I would just change in terms of the ambition of the vehicle, in terms of where it goes from instead of A to Z, it's more like A to C, I would say.

Speaker 64 All right, let's do it.

Speaker 75 We have two NFC East teams in the NFC championship game being played tomorrow.

Speaker 76 Our eyes are known.

Speaker 76 The Philadelphia Eagles and the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 76 Our

Speaker 76 enemies. on all front

Speaker 28 and they're holding a position that we haven't haven't held

Speaker 41 in 30

Speaker 74 years

Speaker 75 the longest drought by any NFC East team any NFC team period

Speaker 48 30 years

Speaker 75 I

Speaker 75 did a little letter on speak to Jerry Jones where I was delivering information in a bullshitting way, but I was not lying

Speaker 63 a minute 19.

Speaker 48 You bring in.

Speaker 42 Is he going to start reading the dictionary?

Speaker 75 That was

Speaker 71 quality control in the middle.

Speaker 71 Suddenly, his coach.

Speaker 75 You lose things there.

Speaker 65 Okay.

Speaker 77 That you can't grab.

Speaker 27 All right. Thank you.

Speaker 11 Thank you, Michael Irvin, who speaks for many Cowboys fans

Speaker 35 being less than impressed with the general arc of the organization leading to their latest decision to replace Mike McCarthy McCarthy with offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, who becomes the 10th head coach of franchise history.

Speaker 7 The team announced this on Friday night.

Speaker 78 But as I said, a lot of different press conferences went down on Monday.

Speaker 9 So we are digging into that from the Dallas standpoint.

Speaker 1 And I'll just say, as we get into this, Mark, that

Speaker 13 there is a finite amount of time left with Jerry Jones as owner.

Speaker 8 There's a finite time with Jerry Jones on earth, like, you know, just like all of us.

Speaker 1 But he's in his 80s.

Speaker 33 We don't know how many more press conferences like this we're going to get.

Speaker 1 So we're going to savor them.

Speaker 44 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I do. And there may be a finite amount of time, but I actually sat down and tried to watch this.

Speaker 5 I did watch this, but it is over an hour long. Like, you know, a lot of these are like 25 minutes and you move through.

Speaker 5 It's like, this was seated with outdoor, beautiful seating, and just like about 190 people there. And it went on for over an hour.

Speaker 5 So he may not have a lot of time left, but we know what he likes to do with his time. This was another Jerry Jones special.

Speaker 44 Yeah, we thought he was chewing the scenery in Landman.

Speaker 80 I mean, this is the next level.

Speaker 24 This is Jerry's show.

Speaker 21 So let's start right here with the criticism Jared Jones has received for perhaps going too safe with this higher gut.

Speaker 74 Now I get my proverbial ass kick

Speaker 74 over needing people in my comfort zone.

Speaker 74 Without this thing being about me in any way,

Speaker 74 if you don't think I can't operate out of my comfort zone, you're so wrong. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 74 This is as big a risk as you could take.

Speaker 74 As big a risk as you could take. No head coaching experience.

Speaker 52 If you're watching on YouTube, you saw a beaming Dak Prescott during

Speaker 49 that line where you mentioned this is as big as a risk as you could take.

Speaker 67 And I think

Speaker 7 everyone is just entertained.

Speaker 11 It's like watching television, basically.

Speaker 68 He goes on to explain, again, yes, that to fans, this might not seem like a sexy move, but it's the right one.

Speaker 74 And what I would say for the fans

Speaker 74 is that,

Speaker 74 yes,

Speaker 74 to some, and it might be couched as

Speaker 81 a

Speaker 74 less than glamorous hire.

Speaker 74 What I would say to you is I got here taking shots and not shoddy shots.

Speaker 74 I got here taking shots. Good things have happened.
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 74 There's some stuff to be had over there where not many people go.

Speaker 65 There is.

Speaker 74 Don't think for one minute I won't take a shot.

Speaker 65 What's he talking about?

Speaker 42 Got you where? Like, got you where? Like, this team hasn't made a conference title game since the 1990s.

Speaker 42 And the only time they dominated was during basically like a barely capped situation where Jerry could outspend for a very small portion of time.

Speaker 5 Got you where? I don't understand. Like

Speaker 42 where is a football franchise? Like the value of the Cowboys has nothing to do with the talent on the like the success of the organization. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 5 Well, it reminds me of the when they re-signed Dak, and that was another like hour and 20 long off-season press conference where he asked them to pan the camera over to look at their precious collection of Super Bowl trophies.

Speaker 5 But none of those have come within like this century and for portions of the last century.

Speaker 5 And so I think there is a bit of like, if you want to be, if there's duress around Jerry Jones, and again, I'm watching this, like, you also fall in love with the guy a little bit because it's like, he doesn't give an F what any of us think.

Speaker 5 But I will say that like he lives in a bit of an imaginary world, but he's allowed to because he is a billionaire. Like a lot of these guys do, but he's allowed to.

Speaker 57 I'll agree with you halfway on that, Mark, that I think he does care what people say.

Speaker 44 And he's referencing directly that I take all sorts of hits about this and that.

Speaker 43 So I think he reads everything, he cares about everything, but he doesn't ever think he's wrong.

Speaker 69 So it's kind of like that Trump thing, right?

Speaker 11 Like no matter what you throw at him, he's going to disregard it and spin it in his own reality.

Speaker 35 And I think that's that there's a power to that when you're a billionaire because you do create your own kind of world that you live in.

Speaker 26 And like to even the point that you made, and I don't know if that's exactly correct.

Speaker 32 You might be, you might have nailed it, Mark, like how long the Dak Prescott press conference was, but it doesn't surprise me if it was well over an hour.

Speaker 43 And then you're talking about a guy who's won absolutely nothing in the NFL as a quarterback, and yet he's being treated as Troy Aikman meets, you know, Tom Brady meets Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 60 And that's just the Cowboys universe.

Speaker 58 And I think, Connor, it's, it's a, I think it's entertaining.

Speaker 33 to us, right?

Speaker 32 I think if you're a smart fan and a Cowboys fan, that is, it's probably maybe maybe a little bit less so.

Speaker 11 There's maybe a frustration of this almost narnia that Dallas exists within right now.

Speaker 42 The thing, though, about it is, and I've tried to make this clear to everybody when I've written about it and talked about it.

Speaker 42 And I think it's not hitting home for Jerry, is the problem isn't necessarily Brian Schottenheimer. It's how you arrived at this place.
And I think that's what is unglamorous, right?

Speaker 42 And it was funny because Jerry Jones is saying,

Speaker 42 you know, talk about a little like journal work here. Jerry Jones is saying that, oh, well, the conversation with Deion Sanders was in an interview.
Okay.

Speaker 42 The official website listed it as an interview, and it listed Deion Sanders as one of the six candidates.

Speaker 42 Okay, so now you had five candidates for the job, two of which you brought in to satisfy the Rooney rule.

Speaker 42 And the rest of them,

Speaker 42 some of them didn't receive second interviews. You didn't wait two days for Cliff Kingsbury to finish his season to bring him in.

Speaker 42 You didn't bring in Aaron Glenn, who's from Texas and played for the Cowboys. You didn't bring in, you know, you were not even in the conversation for Ben Johnson.
And it's just like

Speaker 42 the second part to this is if you had this inkling about Brian Schottenheimer, why wouldn't you have fired Mike McCarthy in the middle of last season and given him a short run as an interim?

Speaker 42 Why wouldn't you have fired Mike McCarthy before last season, knowing you weren't going to try that hard to bring him back in the first place? So we would at least be a year into this experiment.

Speaker 42 Like, that's my problem. And I think that's everybody's problem.
You're just not working hard. Like,

Speaker 42 you're not trying to conduct a serious NFL head coaching search. That's it, point blank.
I, Brian Schottenheimer could be great, but the process was god-awful and it was terrible.

Speaker 32 And isn't it crazy how Mark Schottenheimer gets swallowed up in this?

Speaker 42 And he's coaching from behind now.

Speaker 56 And perhaps we're

Speaker 69 and we're part of where a podcast that covers all 32.

Speaker 11 I don't, we don't even have Schottenheimer's sound that we're going to throw to because like the gerriness of it and the bigger picture of the cowboys swallows up everything that it that it's in its orbit.

Speaker 5 absolutely and i that's why i kind of mentioned that with his finite amount of time he wants to do this like he loves courting the press and he he spoke for about 75 of it i i want to say one thing though because i feel i i kind of feel for brian schotenheimer i think we all do on some level he did an incredible job i thought introducing himself the way he did during this press conference he had a limited amount of time but this is someone that came he has been he has lived in football his entire life like marty schotener is very special to me as a browns fan but he is he has shades of marty he has been an offensive coordinator for 14 years so i know he's not been a head coach but he's not done nothing it's not like they hired a like a knife from like out of town to come in and coach the cowboys he's been there for two years and there is there is something else that tons of players showed up to support brian schotenheimer specifically and there is a there is a moment after the thing where they're all coming up and loving him so the thing is i can separate the two the jerry jones like aura and experience and world of it from the fact that Brian Schottheimer might succeed, but he's not like a totally inexperienced guy.

Speaker 5 But Connor, you're right. The process to get here, Jerry Jones slapped down the idea that only talked to five people, but like, yes, you did.

Speaker 5 And you didn't, you had, there were more people out there to talk to, and you didn't do it.

Speaker 37 Schottenheimer, by the way, once upon a time was the hot shot coordinator, but it took 25 years as an assistant coach before he's getting this shot at 51 years old to the point with Marty Schottenheimer.

Speaker 7 And I was lucky enough, Mark, you must have been off that day.

Speaker 45 It's the only way that you wouldn't have been doing it.

Speaker 5 But in the old days, I've never taken a show off. That's not

Speaker 44 yes.

Speaker 3 Moving on.

Speaker 34 No, but the old NFL network studios in the green room,

Speaker 11 I got the chance to interview Marty, who's since passed away, and he spoke, you know, obviously about this great career, but he never got over the hump and those crushing playoff losses along the way.

Speaker 44 And Brian Schottenheimer said in his press garments how important it is for a Schottenheimer to get a Super Bowl.

Speaker 26 So there is like those elements to it.

Speaker 14 And I feel a little bit bad for Schottenheimer that he worked all this time to get to it.

Speaker 11 And we should, you know, we should talk about him more. And I guess that's what we're doing right now.

Speaker 32 Because the other part of it, Connor, is it, do you think the hire can work?

Speaker 52 Do you think Schottenheimer can make the Cowboys get them back to the playoffs and be guys successful?

Speaker 11 Or are we just dooming him because it wasn't sexy?

Speaker 57 Like, maybe that's the wrong way to look at this.

Speaker 42 Well, so here's my problem, right? Because there's two different things.

Speaker 42 Let's talk about Brian Schottenheimer, the candidate, real quick okay he's been an offensive coordinator for 14 years in the nfl guess how many seasons his offense has finished in the top 10 no no no no the top 12 in net passing yards per attempt or total passing yards how many of those 14 years two

Speaker 42 one okay so let's go to rushing yards how many times in 14 years

Speaker 42 okay did you finish in the top 10 in rushing yards see i would have said that would have been way higher i would say five That's it.

Speaker 48 Okay.

Speaker 42 And how many of those, Dan, were with the Jets that we remember, the Rex Ryan team that had LaDanian Tomlinson and Sean Green and one of the best offensive lines in the sport?

Speaker 56 I would say maybe four, three.

Speaker 42 I think it was like three of them, right? And so, in that,

Speaker 42 within that, okay, that's my concept of Brian Schottenheimer as a candidate.

Speaker 42 Like, if you brought in that guy, and granted, like, Mike Vrabel didn't have a great defense, and he became a great head coach.

Speaker 42 Matt LaFleur didn't have a great offense in Tennessee and became a great head coach. It's not apples to apples.
And there's so many weird things that happen over the course of a season.

Speaker 42 Like, you know, on its face, Nick Siriani, like to your point, always perpetually, Dan, shouldn't be a great head coach, but he is somehow, right?

Speaker 42 And wins a lot of games and things tend to bounce his way. And the vibe seems to remain good.

Speaker 42 And so could all that happen with Brian Schottenheimer and probably will because we're all being huge dicks about it. Yeah.

Speaker 42 But it's one of those things that if you tried to, if you did the blind resume thing,

Speaker 42 it's it's riot worthy. And I still think that's true, you know?

Speaker 5 See, that's the thing. If you go, if you listen to everything that Jerry said, it is kind of a,

Speaker 5 we understand this about Jerry Jones. He is a people person.
Like, he has his favorites. He brings back Ezekiel Elliott when we all know he shouldn't.
Like, he's just got his people.

Speaker 5 And he talked about the fact that his friendship with the Schottenheimers went back 35 years, that the wives were friends. And I think this was a hire.

Speaker 5 an instinctive hire based more on the person than everything that you're talking about. Now, should it be that way?

Speaker 20 That's the other conversation.

Speaker 80 Yeah, looking back instead of looking forward as you want your leadership to do.

Speaker 58 We'll see.

Speaker 32 We'll see how it works.

Speaker 34 Let's just empty the Jara audio notebook before we take a break because it's fun.

Speaker 44 No context given, no context needed.

Speaker 80 Three more quotes from Jara from his presser.

Speaker 74 I've been around a lot of coaches.

Speaker 74 As a matter of fact, I wanted to be a coach.

Speaker 74 Except, I wanted to live better than I thought coaches live. I wanted to drive a little bigger car and I wanted to fly in an airplane.

Speaker 74 Had I known what I'm paying them now, I'd have been a damn coach.

Speaker 45 All right, more on Shoddy when he got the news that he's the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 But let me say this.

Speaker 74 I was standing with Shoddy

Speaker 48 when he called his mother.

Speaker 28 And I

Speaker 48 heard.

Speaker 74 the other end and I was listening to Shoddy.

Speaker 74 And one of the things he said to his mama is, Mama,

Speaker 74 I'm going to get what Daddy didn't get a chance to get, or got a chance, but didn't get.

Speaker 74 And I'm going to get a Super Bowl if it kills me.

Speaker 74 And his mother, of course, was emotional. This one will be for Daddy.
The first one

Speaker 74 will be for him.

Speaker 81 That's kind of sweet.

Speaker 74 It is.

Speaker 11 His wife was sitting with Marty when I interviewed her, I remember.

Speaker 38 And they just showed her in the crowd there.

Speaker 7 And finally, you know, enjoy.

Speaker 74 There's a very low percentage of this

Speaker 74 that is smiles and glory holds.

Speaker 74 Very low percentage.

Speaker 71 Don't we need to know that?

Speaker 77 You buy yourself a tape recorder, you just record yourself for a whole day. I think I'm going to be surprised at some of your phrasing.

Speaker 5 Don't we need to know what that word implies to a

Speaker 5 sub-part of the population?

Speaker 7 For everyone else, literally, like 350 a million, 350 million Americans, yes.

Speaker 79 Jerry Jones, that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 84 His name is King,

Speaker 84 he's damn dad.

Speaker 84 Without a doubt, he's a big Jets fan.

Speaker 84 What is he gonna say about Gay Green today?

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Speaker 85 Aaron Rodgers, the question is, should the Jets keep him or should they let him go?

Speaker 85 My feeling is that they should keep Aaron Rodgers based on the fact that they don't have a quarterback right now that can come in.

Speaker 85 His statistics from last year were pretty good, 28 touchdown passes, almost 3,900 yards. The Jets' most yards they ever threw was 4,007 by the Jets in 67.
So that goes back a long ways.

Speaker 85 So my question is, he wasn't as sharp as the Rodgers we knew five years ago, or whatever, but still, he's pretty good. So, then the next question is: Keep Rogers.

Speaker 85 The next question is: Aaron Glenn, how does he fit into this? I think he's a great fit. It was a great pick.
A first-round draft pick by the Jets

Speaker 26 was under Bill Parcells.

Speaker 85 He knows his principles. He's a tough guy.
He's ready for the job. One of the things I read in the paper was he said the Jets will be built by the roster, not by the man, by the roster.

Speaker 85 Referring to the fact that a lot of things were done for Rodgers in the past. So I think my answer is: Rodgers should stay.
Glenn's a great pick.

Speaker 28 Go, Jets, go, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 29 How about that? Yeah.

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Speaker 7 I continue to struggle and thank you, Dad.

Speaker 58 I continue to struggle with the Aaron Rodgers situation, but I do like the framing as Aaron Glenn was introduced as the new head coach of the Jets.

Speaker 11 In fact, I liked everything about the Aaron Glenn press conference because it does seem, at least right now, that the Jets are kind of coming back to the port after being lost at sea for the past six months or maybe two years if you depending how you look at it here is Aaron Glenn's part of his opening remarks in his introduction in Florin Park on Monday to any players that's here now put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride

Speaker 22 Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride. Listen, there are going to be some challenges, but with challenges becomes opportunity, it gets opportunity.

Speaker 22 But here's what I do know: we're the freaking New York Jets, so we're built for this shit.

Speaker 42 Okay, I need that.

Speaker 27 Like, as a Jets fan, I need someone to be excited to be the face of the Jets and embrace the challenge.

Speaker 8 And I love that Glenn, as someone born in a certain era, that remembers my first truly great Jet team, still the best Jet team in my lifetime, the 1998 Jets, where Aaron Glenn was a star cornerback and former first-round pick on that team.

Speaker 24 He remembers that team having a 10-0 lead in the AFC title game against the Mighty Broncos.

Speaker 24 And again, this is catnip for Jets fans that just want to feel again and feel like they have somebody they could be proud of.

Speaker 11 Here is Glenn talking about that game in particular.

Speaker 22 Another reason why,

Speaker 22 in 98, we played the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 22 We're out there and we are winning 10-0.

Speaker 14 in the first half.

Speaker 11 We come back in the second half.

Speaker 72 They kick the ball off.

Speaker 27 Wayne, you remember this.

Speaker 28 It was windy.

Speaker 22 The ball stops midair

Speaker 15 and they recover it.

Speaker 22 And they scored two touchdowns.

Speaker 11 I'll be damned if I'm not going to come back here and get that back.

Speaker 22 And that's one of the reasons why.

Speaker 3 Mark, I just like that Glenn, in addition to being it's his time, he's earned the job.

Speaker 43 This is a guy who's proud to take this post and be the latest guy to basically say, you know, we're going to change what's happened around here and it's gotten ugly.

Speaker 8 And he's kind of proud of his past as a New York Jet.

Speaker 11 All this stuff that, like, a guy, like, with all due respect to Robert Sala, who did not have any connection to the organization beforehand, Aaron Rodgers, who made veiled references to, oh, that trophy's looking lonely in the lobby.

Speaker 12 We're going to change that.

Speaker 11 None of these guys had actually any ties to the organization.

Speaker 24 And here's Aaron Glenn, who knows the history, understands where the fans are coming from, and is not afraid to go up against the greatest challenge in pro football, fixing the New York Jets.

Speaker 5 Yeah, this was, of all the press conferences, this was the most powerful.

Speaker 5 He, I think, was made for this. And you are right.

Speaker 5 Like the New York Jets need someone who is coming in here with an understanding of what Jets fans have been through, what this organization has been through, and understands when they weren't in this position and wants to bring them back.

Speaker 5 And I think that he is listening to him talk, it made me think to myself, to myself, get off your couch and start kicking someone's ass. Like, what have you been doing? Because he has something.

Speaker 5 He is, I think, a player's coach, a people person. This coaching cycle has been a lot about culture changing.
And he's the right, he drums right into that.

Speaker 5 And we'll have to see what the Jets, like, part of it is don't talk until September and show it to me then. But there is, I will say about Aaron Glenn, like, this is a beautiful fit.

Speaker 5 And I feel bad for Jets fans always getting back in the cycle of like over-exuberance and over-optimism. But this is the right person for this team right now.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 42 I'm interested specifically.

Speaker 42 Well, I think one of the reasons that he was able to knock it out of the park is, and Dan, I'm curious your take on this specifically, but I think that there were things that Aaron Glenn could say, and I think that there's a tone that Aaron Glenn could have that his predecessor almost wasn't allowed to have, right?

Speaker 42 And, you know, he can be a little bit cavalier with Aaron Rodgers because it doesn't really matter, right? If Aaron Rodgers decides not to play for him, who gives a shit? Like, I just got the job.

Speaker 15 I have time.

Speaker 42 With Robert Salo, it was always, okay, I didn't get hired by the owner, so I have to kind of find my place in it. Now the owner's back.

Speaker 42 He's got a new kind of attitude that he borrowed from his boss in the government, and he's a little bit of a swagger guy now.

Speaker 42 Now Aaron Rodgers is here and I got to kind of, you know, navigate that minefield. And it was like a series of like, you know, let's just not tip anything over in the china closet here.

Speaker 42 Whereas Aaron Glenn kind of, I think, has the benefit of being able to come in. Woody's embarrassed.
He's going to take a step back. You know he is.

Speaker 42 And he's just going to be able to be like, yeah, double middle fingers. We're the Jets.

Speaker 42 But I think that that is a tenor that he's allowed to have that maybe some other Jets coaches in the past were not allowed to come into.

Speaker 4 I think that's very fair.

Speaker 11 I think it's a great point.

Speaker 80 I think Salah,

Speaker 11 there were things with Salah that he failed on his own account, but other things where he was set up for failure.

Speaker 35 And what you're saying makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 11 Like, Aaron Glenn, Aaron Rodgers isn't the face of the Jets anymore.

Speaker 24 He could be on the Jets, perhaps, but this is Aaron Glenn's show.

Speaker 8 And here is some of those Rodgers comments from Glenn that really underline there is no more tiptoeing around

Speaker 46 the QB.

Speaker 70 This thing is not about Aaron Rodgers, folks. This is about the roster.
We plan on building the best roster that we can.

Speaker 70 So whatever that may be, guard, tackle, defense tackle, that's what we're evaluating. And listen, everybody's on the microscope.
That's just what it is.

Speaker 7 So there you go. And

Speaker 19 I do think bringing back Rogers.

Speaker 7 Mark, I know you've been strong on this, and I know where you're coming from, that you have this fresh start,

Speaker 3 turn the page.

Speaker 43 I do think he's still considering what their other options are.

Speaker 44 If he does come in and you could have him in the right mindset, I think he makes the team better.

Speaker 68 And I don't think this team is that far away from the playoffs if they just clean up some things.

Speaker 11 But that conversation, if there is actually going to be a real conversation to be had, and this is on just lip service, where Glenn has that opportunity and the new general manager, Moogie, is it?

Speaker 64 Yes. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 43 I think

Speaker 24 that conversation should be very important to them getting a vibe on where Rodgers is at.

Speaker 35 If he comes in and he's aloof and he rubs them the wrong way, you walk away in two minutes.

Speaker 43 You see if he's going to be a good soldier.

Speaker 58 And if not, they can be better without him.

Speaker 5 But my opinion is changed because they didn't hire like a hot OC that had never coached before who's going to feel like, you know, stuck with Aaron Rodgers. Like

Speaker 5 the way that Aaron Glenn is speaking about Aaron Rodgers in that last clip, it's like he's in charge. And that's fine with me.

Speaker 5 Because I think your dad is right. Like, this guy can play.
And if you move on from him, where do you get a quarterback? And so you don't saddle Aaron Glenn and the Jets with no quarterback.

Speaker 5 But Aaron Glenn is in charge. That's what I like to see.
And that's why this is, that's, to Connor's point, that's why this might really work.

Speaker 57 I think maybe the next step, and the media kept on obviously asking Glenn about it over and over, and Glenn shut it down

Speaker 44 in a strong manner.

Speaker 11 Like, make the decision quickly.

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 44 don't make this the distraction and the storyline around this team for the entire spring.

Speaker 7 Like, let's find out one way or the other.

Speaker 3 And who knows, Rogers might not even want to play, but

Speaker 32 you kind of get the feeling that he does.

Speaker 46 It just might not be with the Jets.

Speaker 15 All right, let's move to another man with a connection to the Jets.

Speaker 3 Pete Carroll, once upon a time, coached Aaron Glenn

Speaker 11 way back when, 30 years later, he has had a decorated coaching career both in the NFL and obviously in college.

Speaker 34 And now he is the new head head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 8 All right, speaking of owners that, listen, you may not trust them or see them as fit to run an organization.

Speaker 80 They do provide good copy and things to react off of.

Speaker 11 So let's hear from Mark Davis first on his decision to work with Tom Brady and land this play, this veteran coach in this time.

Speaker 15 And, oh, whatever happened with that other guy.

Speaker 87 But bringing in Tom Brady was bringing in somebody that was on the football side that I had been lacking having here at the organization.

Speaker 87 Um, back in uh, I guess it was 18 with uh John Gruden, he was somebody that I brought in and really expected to be that person on the football side that would bring stability to the organization.

Speaker 87 He had a 10-year contract and all that, and his head was chopped off. And uh,

Speaker 87 we were put in a really bad position as an organization.

Speaker 61 His head was chopped off, John Gruden's head was chopped off.

Speaker 42 He leaves work.

Speaker 5 He's on his way home.

Speaker 88 Wham, his kappa is detated from his head.

Speaker 58 Isn't it funny how the Raiders, like, they always play the victim?

Speaker 51 Like, this goes back to Al.

Speaker 11 You know, he was always warring with the NFL and believing the Raiders were getting screwed.

Speaker 30 And I don't know, man.

Speaker 80 You could, you could.

Speaker 32 look into what happened with John Gruden.

Speaker 11 All those emails where he said a bunch of like nasty stuff were part of a probe that didn't directly involve him.

Speaker 8 So the matter in which it was exposed, perhaps you would be frustrated with the Raiders, but it's not like John Gruden didn't kind of get what was coming to him

Speaker 36 in terms of like just being dumb, being dumb.

Speaker 42 And also like if the Raiders had won nine or 10 games his first two years, they would have kept him and they would have been like, yeah, we'll work with them on this, you know?

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 58 True, true. Let's hear from Pete Carroll.

Speaker 54 And again, just like with the Raiders, like with the Cowboys, there's other stuff going on.

Speaker 36 Tom Brady of it all, the minority owner of the team,

Speaker 25 is the topic that everybody seems to want to talk about.

Speaker 11 So here is Carol on how involved Brady was in the hiring process.

Speaker 81 He's been integrally involved

Speaker 81 wherever I know that the process could allow him to be in. We haven't seen him.
He's not been here. He's got a big job.
But he has been a really exciting part of it.

Speaker 81 Exciting to me because he's one of the great competitors that have ever lived. And so for me, that's a chance to understand more deeply what that's all about, where that comes from.
And so

Speaker 81 but he's this is his opportunity to put his stamp on a franchise. And so we're

Speaker 81 excited to represent that, that bringing him into it. Mark has done an incredible job to figure out how to formulate this plan so that we could all fit together.

Speaker 81 He's been involved and he's going to continue to be involved, and we're going to lean on him like crazy.

Speaker 38 Isn't Isn't it crazy, Mark, how like they're going to lean on him like crazy?

Speaker 43 He's integral to the process.

Speaker 11 But again, he's so bigger than life and he's so busy because he's got another full-time job or whatever

Speaker 11 that he's not even at the press conference.

Speaker 58 And you get why he's not at the press conference because that would be the story if he's at the press conference. It's just a pretty complicated situation.

Speaker 3 And just they see everyone talking about this minority owner when all the focus should really be on Pete Carroll, but that's now the orbit of the Raiders.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and they hired a new general manager in John Spytech, but you have to feel like Tom Brady is kind of like the quiet phantom general manager above everything because, you know, we talked about on the last show that he really, really is the reason this hire happened.

Speaker 5 I don't think you necessarily go to the Raiders with the way things were, and this is why it happened.

Speaker 5 And, you know, Pete Carroll to me, it's interesting because you've got his age, and we all get it. He's not his age.
He's not 73. It looks more like a 51-year-old to me.
But

Speaker 5 Pete Carroll is there for a rebuild on some level. Like, I think it's another culture hire where they're like, we're kind of tear this thing down to the studs on some level and then have Pete Carroll

Speaker 5 build it up to where it needs to be, and then you find the next coach. But I don't know if this is a three-year thing, a five-year thing.

Speaker 5 I'm not saying it could be, but like, he's the one guy to come in and say, we're going to do this right this time. It's another hire I like because Pete Carroll has done this.

Speaker 5 He went to USC and did it. He did it in Seattle.
I think there's going to be a lot of like a lot of roster change. They have the second most cap space in the league.

Speaker 5 I think this is going to be a team in massive transformation. And Tom Brady is there to oversee 90% of it.
He'll be very involved, I think.

Speaker 42 I get super worked up about coaching stuff. And so when Pete Carroll got hired, I started texting a bunch of people in the industry.
And I was like, can you believe this shit?

Speaker 42 It's a three-plus-one contract, three years in a team option. And I was like, that's ridiculous.
It's below market standard. And Tom Brady's doing all this stuff.

Speaker 42 And someone just like, Connor, Connor, Connor, he's 74 years old. Like, you can't give him a five-year contract.
It's just not like, you know, so so he's not going to be there forever, right?

Speaker 42 He's just, he's there to kind of, as you said, fix the,

Speaker 42 you know, kind of get them to the point where they're at level ground, right? And, and in that, in that way, I think it's a great hire.

Speaker 11 He's, I guess you could look at him like how they have bridge quarterbacks. He's a bridge coach, like to take them and get them to a place of respectability.

Speaker 51 And Brady will be a key aspect before Gruden was decapitated,

Speaker 37 someone behind the scenes that can get the personnel in a better place, and then Carol is a guy who can run the locker room and be the guy in the sideline.

Speaker 6 It all makes sense.

Speaker 11 And James Palmer has said it a couple times on the show, and I've heard it in a lot of different other places, that

Speaker 6 the Raiders have everything in front of them to be the next big thing because players want to play in Vegas.

Speaker 58 They have a beautiful facility.

Speaker 11 They have all this money.

Speaker 35 They have the prestige and all the

Speaker 11 history of the Raiders and all that. They're a sleeping giant.

Speaker 6 It seems.

Speaker 11 As long as you're in Patrick Mahomes' division, I tend to tap the brakes on all that, but I get it. I get it.

Speaker 11 And there's a reason, just like Jets fans are allowed to have optimism again, Raiders fans, so too should they be allowed to have that optimism.

Speaker 23 By the way, Marshawn Lynch was there.

Speaker 4 Oh, yes, Justin.

Speaker 63 Sorry, I just wanted to comment on the Carol Brady-ness of it all, too, because I actually watched this whole press conference, and there was one quote that I didn't pull.

Speaker 63 It was really, really, it was really, really long. But

Speaker 63 Pete Carroll was talking about how it's their mission to build up the football team around the quarterback position, and it almost sounded like the Raiders may work on that before they add a quarterback, which is interesting because Tony Pauline put out a report uh this morning that said many around the league believe the Raiders will be one of the teams working hard to move up into the top two spots so they can select a quarterback.

Speaker 63 Conflicting stuff. I'd be surprised if the Raiders already had a plan since they just introduced their GM like yesterday.

Speaker 24 Connor, you're shaking your head, by the way.

Speaker 5 You're not buying two quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 42 I doubt it. Yeah.

Speaker 36 I don't know.

Speaker 42 Tony's great.

Speaker 42 I'm not shooting that down. I would just be surprised.

Speaker 69 That's all.

Speaker 51 Tony does great work.

Speaker 42 He does.

Speaker 85 Oh, hang on.

Speaker 74 Now I have to find this really quick.

Speaker 48 Here it is.

Speaker 66 We got to buy, Mark, we got to put it on our

Speaker 11 list of things to do.

Speaker 37 Buy Justin like a new sound drops board that just makes his life easier.

Speaker 73 I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 63 Yeah, like one with 40 drops instead of eight would be nice.

Speaker 5 That would be, yeah, that seems like a good move for us, too.

Speaker 11 Well, you can take it out of your personal account, Mark.

Speaker 38 Thanks.

Speaker 63 Anyway, Pete Carroll said, We're going to lean on Tom as much as we possibly can for his insights because no one has his insights. It's unique.

Speaker 63 To think about how fortunate we are to have Tom Brady with us, it's just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

Speaker 89 It almost sounds like he's kissing ass to Tom Brady.

Speaker 41 He's an owner.

Speaker 55 He's an owner. He's his boss.

Speaker 37 It's just that doesn't almost sound like.

Speaker 38 I don't imagine I'm going to want to kiss anybody's ass when I'm 73 years old.

Speaker 64 That's right.

Speaker 42 You know?

Speaker 54 Dick it up the guy's ass, which I've done.

Speaker 58 Hey, Mark, I struggle to do it now.

Speaker 35 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I guess I do. I guess I do.

Speaker 33 We all do.

Speaker 48 Oh.

Speaker 11 Marshawn Lynch was at the press conference.

Speaker 81 We do want to fill our stadium up with our guys. I know that we have a good draw for people from out of town.

Speaker 65 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 81 That's what I'm talking about. Hey, Mark, settle down a little bit.

Speaker 39 I miss Pete, Carol. I'm happy he's back.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 67 It's the same way I felt when, you know, Jim Harbaugh came back from Michigan.

Speaker 11 I was like, oh, cool.

Speaker 26 NFL is going to be a little more fun.

Speaker 32 And Carol is just, you know, a nice guy.

Speaker 11 My mom's going to be excited about it.

Speaker 38 She had a big crush on him back in 94.

Speaker 80 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 44 And he's, you know, Silver Fox in his 70s. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Everybody wants to. I think your dad loses there because he was out of the hemisphere, hemisphere, out of the orbit, and now he's back on national television.

Speaker 5 They're going to give him a bunch of prime time games.

Speaker 24 We need to get Keith back on to get his reactions to Pete Carroll being back in the NFL, and if that causes him any level of

Speaker 44 consternation.

Speaker 70 Oh, God, I'm tired.

Speaker 42 Are we sure Marshawn Lynch is okay, by the way?

Speaker 27 I mean, you know, thank you for saying that.

Speaker 11 I know that

Speaker 11 he's done a lot of TV stuff, and my buddy Bob from Throwback podcast plug who does great work on throwback podcast uh worked with lynch on a show or was connected to lynch on i think he was on lego masters if i recall said that he's you know a wild dude like but came ready to work and you know was kind of just a fun presence i think he's in that that zone kind of where he can do and say whatever he wants and people are just like yeah well that's hasn't he always been doing that yeah it's weird though right because like there was this group of nfl legends that got frozen in time and will forever be part of the zeitgeist, like Terry Bradshawn, Howie Long, and all these guys.

Speaker 42 But now that the cycle keeps moving faster and faster, and we're just like next year, you know, the Kelseys are done.

Speaker 42 Like, we're just not going to give a shit, you know, and we're going to move through these people faster and faster. There's just going to be a time where like everyone's like, who the f is that guy?

Speaker 42 You know, like, he's just like, you know, there's not, there's just a generation of kids who's not going to remember like a really great running back for like a decade when they weren't alive, you know?

Speaker 48 It's fair.

Speaker 24 He's one one of the special ones.

Speaker 11 True. He's one of those truly memorable players, right, Mark?

Speaker 35 You remember being in the newsroom

Speaker 8 in Culver City when the beastquake happened?

Speaker 5 I was just going to say, I don't know, people, like, I think we've moved into the cycle of life where people don't remember we were ever in that newsroom.

Speaker 36 Right.

Speaker 5 So it's, I can relate to what Connor says and what to the pro, like to what the pro athlete feels. I feel the same thing.
I do like that.

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Speaker 7 Let's check in with William Cohen.

Speaker 51 We got into detail in our dirty 30 podcast about his decision to say bye-bye to the Bucs and take the

Speaker 51 back door to Jacksonville. And he said this.

Speaker 50 He got in on the Duval thing.

Speaker 84 Duval.

Speaker 42 I purposely did it.

Speaker 42 I knew you were going to play this and I saw it and I was like, let me hear it for the first time.

Speaker 11 Can you play that again, Justin?

Speaker 16 Did he win the press conference or lose the press conference?

Speaker 84 Duval.

Speaker 37 Mark, decide. Did he win or lose?

Speaker 5 I'm going to say he won.

Speaker 48 Okay, good.

Speaker 5 I went and watched it because I was like, what was this packed into? And it's not as clownish. I mean, you don't want to do things like this in general.

Speaker 5 If you can't look in the mirror and see how you look when you do that and then decide. But it's not a good look for him there.
But it was packed into a larger statement.

Speaker 5 In the whole press conference, and I didn't want to go down this road because I know it's funny, but everyone's having their fun with it. But he's actually...
did a pretty great job.

Speaker 5 Like, I can see why they hired him. Like, he is a passionate teacher.

Speaker 5 And, like, he is a little bit over-exuberant and and kind of a bit of a i want to say doofus but he's kind of like one of your bro friends or something but i i kind of feel like the way he spoke about the players and stuff like i'll take it i'll take his silliness and that little moment with everything else i think he can do like he to me i think this is an interesting compared to like the pete carrolls and the rest like Good hire, like a good job.

Speaker 15 He's like a big old ginger. He looked like

Speaker 11 my high school basketball team that was like 99%, you know, undersized Irish kids.

Speaker 7 Like this is, this is is what I think of when I see Liam Cohen now and but we'll just do like what's a better kind of like welcome to the market moment we'll we'll get do it again let's see Cohen Duval

Speaker 22 and now Aaron fing Glenn we're the freaking New York Jets so we're built for this shit hell yeah I mean that's fair

Speaker 21 I do wish he dropped the F-bomb, Glenn, by the way.

Speaker 37 It freaking doesn't have the same pop, but I understand society might frown upon it.

Speaker 3 Just

Speaker 42 so, you know, because I have to pump the brakes on the press. Just remember, Nick Siriani had one of the worst press conferences of all time.
Lost the press conference.

Speaker 42 Dan Campbell had one of the, like, at the time, we were like, who is this guy? You know, like, seriously.

Speaker 42 And so the press conference is like oddly a poor,

Speaker 42 you know, because remember, like, you know, Rex Rhyme with the, is this thing on? It's about to be on. Like, you know, there's, you know, there's different levels to this.

Speaker 42 But, you know, so it's interesting.

Speaker 11 But also, like, for every kind of being misled by the press conference, one way or the other, there's, like, Adam Gace's press conference when you knew right away.

Speaker 5 Right. Sometimes it can predict.
Because I would say, to answer your question one more time, Dan, like, he lost it. If you watched it, he won it.

Speaker 5 But if you, if most people, the vast majority of Earth will never watch that press conference, and all they see is that clip, and so you lost it.

Speaker 26 Yeah. And I, just.

Speaker 7 To be clear, I'm not burying Liam Cohen.

Speaker 11 I just thought it was kind of a funny look. And he looked like a kid named Kieran that played Power Forward on the Pearl River Pirates in 1997.

Speaker 66 That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 26 Here he is, Liam Cohen, talking about watching Trevor Lawrence play as a freshman in high school and how they will build everything around him.

Speaker 3 They better.

Speaker 81 Last chance.

Speaker 92 I was telling Trevor this the other day that I've watched him play, you know, live as a freshman in high school. It was Buford High School against

Speaker 74 Carrollwood?

Speaker 92 Cartersville? Excuse me. Sorry, I was in the South Georgia.
I was in Georgia, man. That's all I knew.
And I was seeing this freshman in high school play the position at a high level.

Speaker 92 Standing tall, making throws, delivering. And I walked out of there, like, man, this guy's, this is different.
I had no idea who he was. And then you fast forward to now, right?

Speaker 92 How do we make Trevor Lawrence and this offense as dynamic and explosive as we can be? Right? We've got to build it around him as well, right?

Speaker 92 We've got to make every part of this about improvement, and he will be a part of that process.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to ding him for being a jovial ginger.

Speaker 29 I won't do it.

Speaker 61 You want to ding him for being a jovial ginger?

Speaker 8 Smiling too much?

Speaker 61 Having red hair?

Speaker 60 You want to ding him for that?

Speaker 61 Go ahead.

Speaker 20 I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 60 I'm going to remember that he was the OC.

Speaker 61 that turned Baker Mayfield into a 40 touchdown, 4,500-yard guy. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 16 Good luck to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 81 Bingo, who's the most successful jovial ginger coach of all time?

Speaker 3 Andy Reid?

Speaker 28 Oh, sure.

Speaker 48 Okay.

Speaker 43 Does he count?

Speaker 71 How red was his hair?

Speaker 5 How red is his hair?

Speaker 23 Fiery.

Speaker 48 Everywhere.

Speaker 5 He's a bona fide ginger. That's, I don't, that's not how I think of him.
I helped you go.

Speaker 48 Oh, man.

Speaker 63 I mean, look at this.

Speaker 41 There it is.

Speaker 48 Oh, man.

Speaker 71 Golly.

Speaker 48 Body ginger.

Speaker 3 Unbelievable.

Speaker 5 Yes, please. Hubba, hubba.

Speaker 30 That's a man.

Speaker 24 That's a man that could split wood with one swing of an axe.

Speaker 49 And I know Mark's thought about it a lot.

Speaker 40 8 o'clock tonight.

Speaker 40 Please.

Speaker 20 The 49ers.

Speaker 11 Bring back an old friend. Robert Sala is their DC.

Speaker 20 And that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 27 Robert Sala, you're going to see him hooting and hollering and pumping his fists and celebrating and probably getting the San Francisco defense back to where it needs to be.

Speaker 11 The Cowboys, yes, we know about Shoddy as the new head coach. Matt Eberfloos, he takes over as the DC there.
The Bears hire Dennis Allen as their DC.

Speaker 86 Broncos tight end coach Declan Doyle.

Speaker 7 Speaking of Irishman, he is the offensive coordinator there in Chicago.

Speaker 58 The Seahawks act quickly.

Speaker 4 They scoop up Clint Kubiak as their OC. I was kind of hoping the Jets were going to make a move there, but good job by Seattle.

Speaker 26 Patriots hire Thomas Brown, former interim coach of the Bears and a former OC as tight end coach/slash pass game coordinator, and Doug Marone as offensive line coach.

Speaker 79 Anything on any of those before I spin forward, Connor?

Speaker 42 Marone's a great hire, and Declan Doyle, I think, was at one point, odd factoid, the youngest full-time position coach in the NFL. He's been like a fast-riser, Sean Payton guy.

Speaker 79 A lot of eyes on him.

Speaker 63 He's 28 years old right now.

Speaker 29 Right now.

Speaker 29 He's ahead of him.

Speaker 44 Right now, he's 28.

Speaker 21 Lions promote linebackers coach Kelvin Shepard to D.C. Hire pass.

Speaker 24 Broncos pass game coordinator John Morton as OC.

Speaker 15 Man, all these, these are the guys we're going to be talking about all year, and all these hires happen all at the same time.

Speaker 5 Do you get it right? All games are happening, too.

Speaker 5 A lot of this just happened over the weekend.

Speaker 25 Man, these are huge decisions that the teams make.

Speaker 20 We'll see.

Speaker 12 Saints flew to Philly on Monday to interview Kellen Moore in person for the head coaching job.

Speaker 15 Rap sheet reports the future of Matthew Stafford is an open question in L.A.

Speaker 9 You know what?

Speaker 11 Wake me up when September ends on that one.

Speaker 3 He'll be back.

Speaker 16 And Steelers,

Speaker 15 owner Art Rooney, Russell Wilson or Justin Fields, not

Speaker 11 Russell Wilson and Justin Fields.

Speaker 83 That's the general crux of his comments he made on Monday.

Speaker 28 Mark.

Speaker 5 Well, I think it's interesting because Pete Carroll also mentioned that he's still close with Russell Wilson, and you kind of wonder, that's a team that needs a quarterback.

Speaker 5 Could we see Russell Wilson in a Raiders jersey?

Speaker 25 That sounds boring.

Speaker 79 Any Russell Wilson destination sounds super boring.

Speaker 5 I don't disagree, but just connecting dots.

Speaker 4 All right, good stuff.

Speaker 32 Good stuff. I think we covered everything.

Speaker 25 Did we miss anything, Justin?

Speaker 65 I feel like we got pretty much everything.

Speaker 63 I think we hit pretty much everything. Art Rooney also said that he is the coaching staff is going to stay mostly intact, both coordinators coming back, maybe a couple little changes.

Speaker 7 Why would we change anything at Pittsburgh? Tomlinson.

Speaker 5 Well, one of the things there was that they had one of the smallest coaching staffs in the league. And the question was, Mark, are you going to add coaches?

Speaker 25 You mean, like, in terms of size?

Speaker 5 Yes, they're very small individuals,

Speaker 5 mostly around five feet tall. You can tell.

Speaker 28 That's a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 41 Got a little bit of respect.

Speaker 48 All right.

Speaker 8 Good stuff.

Speaker 44 We will be back on Thursday with Michael Sean Dugar and Jordan Rodrigue.

Speaker 11 It is our annual don't

Speaker 68 say

Speaker 42 Super Bowl show.

Speaker 11 Can't say it, and we'll be penalized if we do.

Speaker 51 So just be, you might have not dodged the dangers of a 2016 Chrysler town and country,

Speaker 44 Connor,

Speaker 34 but you do dodge a very dangerous show in the Don't Say Super Bowl because that's tough to do in late January.

Speaker 42 Yeah, I mean, at this point, knowing what I know about my vehicle, just if I make another podcast, I'll be happy at this point.

Speaker 71 If not, it was

Speaker 42 great. It's great being around.

Speaker 80 It's great to have you, Connor, and hope to have you for many, many, many more episodes.

Speaker 48 All right.

Speaker 8 That's it. Oh, Oh, one last thing, a reminder, one last reminder.

Speaker 16 Of course, we have the live show in New Orleans.

Speaker 35 Two live shows, in fact, from Sports Drink Club in New Orleans, Heed the Call live with special guests.

Speaker 66 So check out the link in the description here on the YouTube and then on socials connected to Heed the Call and Mark and I's account and Justin's account.

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Speaker 32 Get your tickets.

Speaker 7 There's only a limited available.

Speaker 56 Yes, Justin.

Speaker 63 My parents are coming. They got tickets and they will be at the show.

Speaker 3 Whoa, now I'm extra narrow smart.

Speaker 42 Party J is coming?

Speaker 89 Party J.

Speaker 63 Party J driving from Dallas to New Orleans just for that. They're not going to any Super Bowl week, none of that.
They just are coming for the live show.

Speaker 5 What is that?

Speaker 5 How long is that drive?

Speaker 74 Like three hours?

Speaker 5 Good for them. I've been also, I've had people reach out and say that this venue is...
A plus, that it's like a great hangout. So that's, you know, we have seven hours.

Speaker 63 Seven hour drive. They're probably flying.
Give them the shout out. Give them their drive.

Speaker 32 Justin, we've moved on to promoting the show.

Speaker 4 But thank you for the update on the distance of the drive.

Speaker 11 It's a wonderful venue, huh?

Speaker 15 Mark? All right, good.

Speaker 20 So come to this great venue, have a few drinks, have some laughs, and spend some time with us, the heroes of He the Call.

Speaker 40 That sounds good.

Speaker 4 And Party J will be there, and I'm sure he'll take selfies if you ask him for one.

Speaker 83 Or he'll punch you.

Speaker 11 I don't know his temperament, but he seems like a guy that would be open to a selfie.

Speaker 78 Yes or no? Yes.

Speaker 63 I don't think he'll punch anyone.

Speaker 16 I mean, if you're Party J, you're probably cheesing up for a selfie.

Speaker 20 That makes sense.

Speaker 66 Connor, thanks, bud.

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Speaker 10 Yeah, baby. It's coming.

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