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Wonders how Michael Strahan can even sleep.

Disgusting.

Yeah, it's a pretty good week here for the old Zeus.

You got the Sam Darnold legend game,

and then you got this Gastono clip.

We'll get to that.

Welcome to Heat the Call.

Midweek show.

Dan Hansis, mark sessler connor or with justin graver

sess dog a lot to get to today

well we do and like the i think one of the first things i ever got to as a football fan as a young person was mark gastino you know we we grew up watching the same feed from you know nbc and cbs and mark gastineau was a dominant personality um and a force and a record.

And so I'm excited to see him back in the news cycle, which we will get to.

Yeah, I mean, shit, we're already talking about it, so let's get to it.

So

Mark Gastoneau is a member of the famed New York SAC Exchange of the New York Jets in the 1980s.

He had the NFL single season record for SACS.

I believe it was 21 and a half or something like that.

In that neighborhood.

Justin, can you check that for me?

21.

Okay.

Set in, I believe, 1984.

It should be remembered that SAC didn't become a statistic, I don't think, until 82.

Connor, Sports Illustrated guy, you got that for me?

I think that's right.

A lot of work being done.

Sounds completely right, yeah.

Yeah, and

the record stood, though, from 84 until 2002 or 2001 when Michael Strahan, on the last day of the season in a meaningless game against the Packers,

got credited with the record-breaking sack

when Brett Favre took the snap, rolled out, and slid at Strayhand's legs.

And that pissed me off and every Jets fan when it happened.

The record somehow still stands.

I believe it's been since tied, but it still stands as the all-time record.

Strahand has a part of the record book.

And there is a 30-for-30 on the New York Sack Exchange coming out this month.

And let's play a little clip from that, Justin,

in two parts.

Strayhand gets the sack.

And you know what?

No one's happier than Brett Favre.

He gets the record.

He got to give me is what he got.

There was nobody else that wanted Michael to get that more than Brett, and he showed it right there.

I didn't know what had happened.

The NFL should have stopped that and said, listen, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not a sack.

You took my record away from me.

Anybody will tell you Brett Favre took a dive.

And you know it.

She knows it.

He knows it.

and everybody knows.

And I've been, she knows, you know, Mark, you know, I've been yammering on about this on this podcast since this podcast started.

Yeah, uh, and it so happens that, uh, and this is great promotion for this 30 for 30, they had a showdown that was caught on camera at a card show in Chicago.

Play that, Justin.

Brett Favre and Mark Castano.

Oh, God, I don't want to watch this again.

Yeah, so uncomfortable.

Finally, Matt.

You told me.

I finally met a long time time ago.

At least I saw it.

I wouldn't shake his hand.

How are you doing?

When you fell down for him.

I'm going to get my sack back.

Oh, no.

I'm going to get my sack back, dude.

You probably would hurt me.

Well, I don't care.

You hurt me.

You hurt me.

You hear me?

Yeah, I hear you.

You really hurt me.

You hurt me, Brett.

We got to get back to this, Brett.

I'm sorry.

Handler.

Handler jumps in.

Oh, man.

He sounds, Gastoneau sounds exactly like I have a elderly neighbor, a nice woman, her name is Sharon,

who speaks in the exact same kind of halting cadence.

And

occasionally, like, I can't quite track what she's saying.

Like, I'm going to get my sack back is something.

It's not a huge compliment to a

huge compliment to a woman if that's how she sounds just like him, but okay.

It's going to live.

She's an older woman.

It's going to live in my head forever, that line.

I don't know what it, Connor, I don't know exactly.

And Gasineau, you know, used to cover the Jets.

I'm sure you have some stories.

But

I'm going to get my sack back makes probably a lot of sense to Mark Gasineau.

To the rest of us, it's context clues are necessary to pull it all together.

Mark Gasineau,

I used to work at the Star Ledger, which is like the paper of record of New Jersey.

And, you know, we covered the Giants and the Jets and all that good stuff.

And I used to work on the copy desk overnight when I was first starting out.

So you'd work from like six or seven o'clock at night until like two three o'clock in the morning and one time our one of our paginators like came back from uh going you know to the grocery store or whatever and he's like yeah mark gastino is there and uh

he tried to like convert me to christianity at the checkout and so i i just think uh

I think Mark's sorting out all, and there's nothing wrong with converting anyone to Christianity.

Just that, you know, I recommend it.

Don't be pushy about it.

Yeah, yeah.

Preferably not at the supermarket.

Not at a food town at like one o'clock in the morning um but uh mark uh has the uh gives me the air of a guy who's sorting a lot of things out in his life um and i'll just say this like when you start covering the jets you realize like and you i also cover the giants and the giants have legends that come in and you know harry carson or michael strahan and there's this reverence and like the jets have the legends come in and like there's reverence like sometimes because you're just like oh it's joe namath but then like for a while it was very not much not okay to have joe namath there.

And then it's like, oh, Mark Gastono in the sack exchange.

And now it's just like, oh, yeah, let's not have him around.

And I guess you could say the Giants have that with Lawrence Taylor.

He's a little bit of a wild card, too.

But yeah, this is

he doesn't look well.

It could get tricky with franchise legends.

And I mean, listen, look at Brett Favre.

And go read up on Brett Favre's post-playing career.

He'd come out looking like a Satan.

I know.

But yeah, that's pretty wild.

I will be watching that.

I thought Mark Castaneau, like, we've got Colin Farrell playing the Penguin on this,

you know, this special.

It's like, Mark Gastoneau of the current iteration looks to me closer to what they were trying to discover.

Do you want me to start taking shots at Bernie Cozar?

Is that where we're at?

Because you want to talk about Gastonau getting screwed.

What about Kozar in the 86 playoffs?

We'll go there if you want.

Well, I think Gastoneau and Cozar had one of the more insane kind of collision points that you could find in a playoff game that's, you know, at this point, 40 years old.

But like, yes, they did.

But I, but I know, I, I look up to Gastoneau as a, like, as a fan just because he was one of the bigger deals that are around back then.

But like, watching him there, it's just like, crap, we're all going to get old.

Yeah.

Our faces are going to get fat.

We're going to look ridiculous and be ridiculous and also be petty.

Go, let's go talk to Brett Favre and also be petty and stupid and ridiculous.

Like, that's a good idea.

I support him.

We don't have much.

That's part of it.

We do not have much.

To Connor's point, we have nothing, really.

So when you take away someone that has nothing to start with, things get worse.

All right.

Okay.

In other news.

We love you, bud.

We love you, by the way, just to let you know.

We support you, Dan.

We love you.

I thought you were talking to Mark Gastono.

Well, no, like, I think, you know,

we're eight minutes in and we're in a tough spot.

And, like,

I don't like that for Dan.

Also, I'm going to get my sack back.

He also, you know, fought cancer too, Mark.

So, if you have any more shots against his physical appearance, get him out now.

Okay, you've made your point against me.

I think we've

points scored.

All right, facts and questions.

Let's do it.

fake use.

They cues means facts and questions.

They use

and fake news.

And they use means facts and questions.

And they cuz and they cuz.

Speaking of things that are

absolutely true, that is absolutely true.

There we go.

Shout out Carl Pariso for the song.

Yes, love that one.

All right, we got a fact, not a question, but we do have a fact as part of facts and questions for this season.

Right, because, well, it could be, maybe it should be facts or questions, but now it's kind of taken hold in society that it's facts and questions.

But our segment is an and or scenario.

Yeah, that would be FOQs, which we're not doing.

Right, so you like, we can't, we, no, we're not, it's not flexible.

F-A-O-Qs is pretty good, actually.

But there might be an issue with some

IP there.

Okay, Justin, what do you got?

Here's a fact.

Six out of seven teams that have already been eliminated from playoff contention this season in the NFL are AFC teams, and those six AFC teams have a combined record of 1 and 25 against NFC teams.

It is kind of a, like a, Connor, a bit of a sneaky, weird year we're in the midst of, isn't it?

And it's still coming off of,

we're a year removed from Deshaun Watson finally coming into his first full season in the AFC and everyone believing that this was going to be the quarterback gauntlet conference.

And it was just like the NFC was trash.

And now everything that we know, as always, is completely meaningless and untrue.

Does anybody know the one AFC team to beat an NFC team this year?

I'd go Ravens.

Well, they're not one of the eliminated teams, though, I guess.

So

it was one month ago today.

New England Patriots, 19, Chicago Bears, 3.

Wow.

You can always count on Eberflues.

Get you where you need it.

He is at the opposite end of every outlier statistic in NFL history.

It's amazing.

And that is notable

because the segment we are about to get into in just a bit,

we're going to do draft style picking our Super Bowl contenders.

And the goal will be who can pick both Super Bowl teams.

You want to get at least one, but if you get both, I don't know.

Maybe we'll come up with some kind of prize that will be given out Super Bowl week.

I don't know.

We'll figure it out.

But before we get into that, a very big announcement here.

Big announcement.

Gravedigger, right on it.

Right on it.

Oh, I love this one.

Oh, hell yeah.

Next Wednesday,

first of all, the midweek show next week is what we've been talking about since literally the first episode of Heat the Call.

It is

the Connor Orr Hallmark Spectacular, where we go over Connor and his wife's favorite holiday films that were made for television in the year 2024.

And Connor,

along those lines, how's that project going?

You know,

I wouldn't consider it a project at all.

I mean,

I just feel very lucky to be able to contribute to a show that appreciates the medium.

I mean, literally, if I was on this show, I'd be doing it.

And if I wasn't on this show, I'd be doing the exact same thing.

So it's just life, you know?

It's passion.

That's a life passion.

Essentially, Mark, it's us giving Connor the platform that he's always craved on this subject.

I like that that's happening, but

you know, to Connor's point, I feel like no matter what, there'd be some world, some scope, some area where he'd be unloading his passion for this topic.

And the fact that you're doing it with your significant other loading,

yeah, he is like, well, you're doing it with your wife.

There's a lot of love there.

A lot of, like, it's something you're doing together.

You're not down in some man cave, buried, you know, below New Jersey doing something nefarious.

It's, it's wholesome, and I think we need that.

All couples have the little things that rev the engine, and for the Orr family, it's watching

Wallmark entertaining.

Take notes, Justin.

It shifts it away from.

I do have a friend of a friend who's in that realm of movie making that's tangentially associated to it.

And so it stops me from having these conversations in public at family gatherings.

And somehow it's less weird for me to talk about it in front of thousands of people on a podcast, you know, but it feels cathartic, you know?

I have to get it out.

And as if it couldn't get any better, Connor, this year it's going to be a two-part blowout.

We're going to have, yes, the midweek show, Heed the Call, and also over on patreon.com slash Heed the Call, we're going to have a live watch of Hallmark's holiday touchdown colon, A Chiefs love Story.

So, you know what?

Let's check, let's check out the trailer for that film.

Ladies and gentlemen, please turn your attention to Midfield from Hallmark and the NFL.

Derek Taylor, Kansas City Chiefs.

Holy cow.

We are finalists for the Fan of the Year award.

Here comes a love story.

That's a real Christmas game changer.

Oh, yeah, I know you are.

You do?

Yeah, the lucky Christmas hat.

We only get to the Super Bowl if someone in our family wears the hat on Christmas.

Okay.

Do you not believe me?

I just need to see some of that Christmas magic for myself.

Okay, that's pretty good.

He didn't have a hat.

No, but we were talking about it.

On November 30th.

We can all see there's something between you and Derek.

Why do you keep fighting it?

It's not like Derek's just hanging out with us for fun.

He's doing his job.

Tis the season.

Let's go, cheers!

To let fate

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Trust me on this one.

Guys, we kind of need a tail child.

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Premieres Saturday, November 30th at 8.

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Wow.

Wow, Connor.

This is going to be a fun watch.

It uh, yeah, I'm not going to spoil any of my takes on the first watch through, but it was, uh, never ceased to amaze me.

I mean, it just unfolded in ways that I didn't expect.

Holy God.

And we're all going to watch it together and real time.

And if we can make it happen, we're going to have anybody on Patreon be able to watch along and comment as well.

So patreon.com slash he the call next Wednesday night.

We're going to stream that live.

All right.

I'm pumped.

Let's go.

Live on patreon.com slash he the call at 5.20 p.m.

Pacific time, 8.20 p.m.

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Wow, very exact Justin there here in the notes.

That is

what he did.

That's what Justin does.

You know what we should do?

We should do it Ted Turner style.

We should do 5.35

at the superstation.

One quick film note.

I often pointed to Terrence Malik's Thin Red Line as sort of a high point of intellectual

film dialogue when you go watch a film and it changes you.

But it's been superseded by what I just witnessed.

Absolutely.

And my first internship was with Terrence Malik.

It's full circle.

Well, look at this.

Do you know what?

You know what?

You can tell.

You can tell.

You really got one over on the sess dog there.

You did.

It's sort of annoying.

I want that internship.

You want to go full circle?

Yeah.

Stick it to Sessler again.

Double up.

But they called Terrence Malik in the office.

What everyone who knows him actually calls it.

It's not Terrence.

It's Terry.

I won't have a Terry drop already, by the way, Justin.

Wow, that really sticks it to Sessler that you worked under the great Malik.

Oh, that's good.

That's really good.

I might sign off.

I have nothing else to do.

I'm on a typewriter.

He still uses a typewriter for his scripts.

And you know what?

You know that?

And Sessler has no idea.

I'm really going to leave now.

Like, I don't like baseball weekly at the time.

We're like baseball yearly.

Like, oh, it takes so long to put this paint around.

It's on paper.

Shot.

All right, let's get into it.

It's the Super Bowl contenders draft.

your team is now on the clock

you pick don't make me do that

all right

speaking of Patreon if you're if you do watch this on Friday mornings you know exactly what just happened.

If not, I'm sorry.

What we're going to do here is go through,

like we talked about with the FAQ section, there's a lot of Jetson and Flotsam in the league right now.

And what we're going to do here is we're going to go around the horn, making three selections each.

Is that right, Justin?

Three, four.

We had talked about four, so we each get two FC, two AFC if we want.

All right.

Or you could load up.

There's strategy involved here.

If you're so certain about one of the teams in the conference, you could kind of jolt your odds on the other conference with three, but that's all

up to you.

So, we're going to go

strategy.

Now, the one thing that we did not talk about before the show, so many things we didn't talk about before this show,

is who gets to pick first and who gets to pick last.

So, I got my underdog helmet here.

I'm going to put four names.

I want to make sure everybody knows that this is on the up and up.

Here's D

J

Connor.

Absurd.

All right, I'm going to, I'm not looking.

I'm going to.

It's like David Stern.

He's going to fold the crease.

All right, the first name I pull out will be the person who has the worst pick, the fourth pick, okay?

Unless I pull out my name and then it will be the first pick.

Here we go.

The fourth overall pick goes to

Connor Orr.

That's the proper response.

The third overall pick goes to

Justin.

And it comes down to this.

How will this go?

Completely stunning that the person who's created the new draft scoring system is now in the running for the top pick.

And second second overall pick,

Zuzzer.

Once again, integrity wins out again with Dan Hansis.

Nothing really does.

Nothing new here.

Mark, that gives you the first overall pick.

So let's get it going.

You and it's obviously snake style, each picking four teams.

The goal is to have both Super Bowl teams.

And if you do,

I don't know, something really cool is going to happen Super Bowl week for the person that does that.

Get us going

well number one no one questioned the integrity attached to you I would I'd say that from well what happens there is usually at some point due to my fearless leadership a question of oh is Dan on the up and up right then inevitably it's it's the the proof comes out in the pudding that oh my god he's a towering beacon beacon of integrity and it's like okay once again he's shown it and there it was again could he easily found a way to get the number one pick and instead here I am locked on number two island so no you're right we discovered discovered that right in the middle of the pudding.

So I'm going to go

lions.

Let's go lions because let's be real.

Like this is the story.

Basic bitch.

Well, oh, what do you want me to do?

You want me to upset the...

Come on, let's be real.

Like I think this is what America kind of needs right now a little bit.

They are like a schoolyard bully.

If society sort of tended to root, if we could just shift things a little bit and start to root for schoolyard bullies, like I kind of get what they're up to.

Like, you know, if it wasn't so, if we weren't so soft soft and we believed in like just kicking someone's butt in but the lions are here's mark from the greatest generation again

well i just think

we'll be so okay no matter what happens the lions are like we don't really care the environment around us doesn't matter we're gonna be us and we've seen it week after week and like um this is what i want i want this but i also think it it's the rare time that what i want is meeting with what might actually happen based on talent versus wish casting Any concerns here about the uh the once again the Sessler voodoo curse now coming for the lions absolutely like I would say Michigan is largely annoyed with my what I've done here

I couldn't have avoided that with anyone I picked but they're largely

They're piqued by what I've just picked here.

And I hope it for them.

I'm not saying that I'm not jumping on their bandwagon, so I'm not doing that actually.

And if you're watching on YouTube, you see that right now we have the week 15 HTC power rankings, and sure enough, that's a chalk pick by the Sess Dog.

The Lions are the number one team in our latest rankings of record, followed by Bills, Eagles, Chiefs, Vikings, now in the top five,

Steelers, or they're already in the top five, I apologize, but Steelers six, Ravens, seven, Packers, eight.

So that's the top eight, and you know, barring a surprise, it will be those eight teams that come off the board first, but you never know.

I am up, and uh,

yeah, so so I think this might not be

this might not be the wisest pick, um,

because you typically don't want to bet against

the Kansas City Chiefs.

Uh, so it makes sense that I would go and grab the Chiefs and they would find their way there, but you know, I do think, like what Jesse Pinkman said, uh, that they can't keep getting away with this, and I don't think they will.

So, I'm gonna let somebody else grab the Chiefs unless somehow it comes back to to me, and I will grab the Bills.

And it gives me something else to root for.

I can't wait for the playoffs and for the Bills to knock off all comers in the AFC.

So yes, the Bills are my pick at number two, and I feel great about it.

Why are you shaking your head, Connor?

I mean, by the time it gets to me, I'm going to have like the goddamn Falcons.

Like, you know, it's just.

Well, no, you're on deck.

Well, you got Justin in that guy.

I wouldn't say it was the beauty of this segment, because because let's be honest.

But I would say the good thing about it is there are four pretty locked and loaded Super Bowl favorites right now and two in each conference.

So everybody's going to come away with something I think that you could feel pretty good about as your anchor pick.

Well, but to Connor's point, then like a social media graphic is constructed and it looks like Connor picked

a ham and egger to make the Super Bowl over like you know, myself and yourself.

I think you have this all wrong, both of you.

I think Connor's actually in the catbird seat because Connor's not only going to get one of the top four teams that you could see sensibly making the Super Bowl, he then, it snakes to him, and then he gets the first pick of the other

teams in this exercise.

So it's like

we're not there yet, though.

But here are the Super Bowl contenders.

Put that back up, Justin, if you could.

In terms of the draft or the

desert odds, it's right now it's Lions plus 270, Chiefs plus 500, Eagles plus 550, Bills plus 650.

So with the second pick, you could say, according to the desert, it was a reach by Zuzzer.

We'll see how it plays out.

All right, up next is Justin.

Well, I like that you didn't pick the Chiefs because I'm already rooting for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl because if they do, the Titans draft pick that they got in the DeAndre Hopkins trade moves up around.

So I'm demented.

You are literally, you are a demented individual.

Like, let's begin there.

I'm obviously

rooting the Chiefs.

And it's going to be a really fun episode recap, Dan, when we get to do the Chiefs-Bills AFC Championship game.

And you're rooting hard for the Bills, and I'm rooting hard for the Chiefs just because of this extremely high-stakes, meaningful draft that we're doing right now.

That's a great value pick.

Like I said, even as I was selecting the Bills, I'm not thinking to myself this is the wise move.

It was a little bit more with my heart.

I think you're feeling really good.

Connor's killing himself.

He can't believe he pulled number four in the draft because he doesn't even like the Eagles, let alone now have to root for them to go to the goddamn big one.

Let's see if he even takes them.

Up next is Connor Ort, the fourth overall pick.

Yeah,

this blows.

Who's calling the Eagles a Super Bowl contender?

Well, we are.

I mean, we have them at number three in the past.

Theoretically, every team in the NFL starts the season as a Super Bowl contender.

And I guess we're saying that since they're not out of the

postseason, like they're in the postseason, that they're, I guess.

I'm sorry, when's the last time the Eagles lost, Connor?

They've won nine games in a row, right?

Against like the 10 worst rushing defenses in the NFL by just handing the ball to Saquon Barkley.

Listen, we're not going to talk you into it.

You don't, you don't

do it.

Um, oh, this is going to be glorious snakes to you, also.

So, you're not going to do it twice?

Yeah, but you know what?

Connor's a guy that has his principles.

That's a

I agree with that, absolutely.

All right, uh,

Give me Packers.

One.

And.

Give me Packers.

And.

Hold that thought.

Let's take a break.

We'll be right back.

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Your team is now on the clock.

One, two, three, go.

Welcome back.

It's the

Super Bowl contenders draft, and I know you sat through that commercial break just wondering what Connor Orr was going to do.

The Eagles still on the board at five overall.

And think about it.

I want everybody to think about this.

And I want all the listeners, all those dirtbags in Philadelphia who come after me to remember that it is not I who is about to just spit in the face of Eagles Nation, but potentially Connor Orr, who lives in New Jersey and can be found.

Go ahead, Connor.

You're up.

Give me

the

Steelers.

Wow.

Wow.

That one really, that stuck it to Sessler Nation, I think, because I think Mark was like, oh, the Steelers are so good.

I'm in awe of the Connor Orr move, but I shouldn't be because this is how Connor Orr operates.

Chaotic.

Yeah, you are a Chaos Agent, and we respect it.

So you have Packers and Steelers.

A rematch of the first Super Bowl, Mark, that you and I covered for NFL Media way back when.

We did.

Well, I wasn't sent there.

I don't think you were.

I remember

the newsroom.

Just two grunts.

Grinding.

Quiet newsroom.

You know, disrespected.

None of that ever changed.

All right.

Up next, number six overall comes now back to Justin, who's probably feeling really good.

Let's see what he does.

Well,

not only did he pass on the Eagles, but also the Vikings and the Ravens, who are teams that people think are good enough to go to the Super Bowl, maybe, right?

So now I'm thinking.

I think the Eagles are good enough to go to the Super Bowl.

Like, who's talking about the Eagles going to the Super Bowl?

I just don't know if they're going to be there.

There's a pathway.

They're third in the odds, according to Vegas.

They are the third highest odds to the Province.

They're third in the power rankings, third in the Vegas odds.

Third in my power rankings.

Let's see.

I got to check something out here.

Let's see.

Xavier Lego catches the ball.

They lost to the Panthers.

Connor took a time machine here from 2006.

Like, I don't know what Eagles teams are.

Connor, for the record, in fairness to Connor, he's coming from a place it's real because in our most most recent voting for power rankings, I had Eagles three, Mark had them two,

Justin had them two, and Connor had them sixth.

So, you know, obviously you see him as a good team, very good team, but not a Super Bowl team.

Okay.

What are you going to vote?

Well,

I'm going to take the Eagles, and the main reason is I already have the Chiefs in the AFC, so I don't want to, like, the Ravens are very tempting for me here, but I'll stick to both.

I'll get one from both conferences and hope that if

the Eagles have to play the Vikings in the playoffs, that Brian Flores doesn't make Jalen Hurts' head spin and they can win that so that I can actually win this draft.

That came so close to me having to root for the Eagles.

And we have all dodged a bullet.

And then my team that I love, the Vikings, are there.

But am I really going to, my first two picks are going to be the Buffalo Bills and the Minnesota Vikings, two teams that have combined for several Super Bowl titles in 100 years of combined playing?

I don't think so.

I don't think I could do that.

So I might do something crazy here.

Let me see what Sessler is going to do here.

Take the Patriots?

I think I got something up my sleeve here.

All right, let's see.

Got to get this right.

Whatever this prize is in January.

So Sessler took the line, so he's going to take an AFC team.

Maybe.

So I could stick it to Sessler by taking

an AFC team.

Just to let you know.

That's true.

It does snakes.

Shh.

Goddamn snake.

Okay, no more snakes after this.

Rule change.

Stick it to Sessler or make the right move.

Make the right move or stick it to Sessler.

Rule change change.

Do both?

I don't like that it's weighing on you in this manner.

I'm going to give myself a little cover here.

And you would define that as.

No, I can't.

I can't.

I have to have a lead dog in the NFC, and I don't see a path where it comes back.

So I will go ahead and just grab the Vikings.

Good pick.

No, you know what?

No.

I take that back.

Let's go.

Ravens.

Seventh overall pick.

Pick time.

I think, well.

Are there trades?

Yeah, of course.

All right.

Okay.

All right, Mark.

It now goes to you, I believe.

What will the Lamarmie do when

Lamar Jackson tumbles again?

That's what I'll ask.

Will they stop?

I would like to march around in their ties and skirts and and be more verbal, please?

Do you have,

can we move out of the way?

Do you have something to share along those lines, Mark?

I believe you do, right?

No, no, I, no, that's sort of my point is like, what's the next, what's the next round of excuses from the super tedious, like, verbal headspace we've got to deal with like inside of, you know, Twitter or Blue Sky at this point?

Like, how many more tedious commentaries can there be on why the Ravens fell and it's not Lamar Jackson's fault?

You've left me the Vikings.

And I now, look, I took the Lions, so it's snaking snaking to me, but I'm going to take the Vikings as my next pick because I'll say one thing.

If Sam Darnold goes to the Super Bowl, I think that all of us have a chance to be beautiful.

Like any one of us can have it, we can do whatever we want to do with our lives.

It would be literally one of the biggest

one of the biggest football stories of the last 50 years.

So

I couldn't be more excited about the concept of it.

The Lions and Vikings in general, too, so like they're so snake-bitten that I'm probably going to get none of these, but I'm taking Vikings with that pick right there and then it's snakes I believe is that correct

so now you have the the voodoo on the lines and the Vikings that's outrageous yeah I've I've cursed almost half a division um

AFC I've got to go AFC

I think I've tied you up in some knots now it's a well it's a disaster scenario here I'm gonna go because here's the thing if this team rounded into shape and they were my Super Bowl pick I don't think it's gonna happen happen.

But let's kick it up a notch, Houston Texans.

Can this stereo system go any louder?

Can we turn up the volume on this stereo system?

I don't believe it, but that's where we're at at this point with the AFC.

You are having a brutal draft, Tesla.

I don't think...

If I'm trying to pick an AFC team,

I don't know where else to go at this point.

Yeah, I know.

That's why I kind of like it.

I'm in a bad sweat.

I kind of boxed you in there.

Feels good.

Feels good.

I mean, who else from the AFC is even going to get drafted today?

Like, the Broncos?

Exactly, Jerry.

Exactly.

Right.

Well, the Chargers, I feel like maybe we're.

All right, well, let's see.

Now it's back to me.

And

I will

run to the podium.

And so

I got to take a team that could get hot.

And I'm surprised, Mark, that you didn't go down this road.

So we have Lions, Bills, Eagles, Chiefs, Vikings, Steelers, Ravens, Packers, all off the board, right?

Yeah.

Okay, so I will grab the Commanders.

Let's see

what could happen if they regained a little spark and the kid went off.

So obviously it's not,

that's my kind of shot in the dark, the Washington Commanders.

at number 10 overall and I feel good about it.

Fair.

Can I just ask a question?

Yes.

Did you think I'd pick three straight NFC teams?

I had to pick an AFC team there.

That's what I was doing.

I agree with what you just said, but it's like...

I think my selection of the Baltimore Ravens in 7 devastated you

like an atomic bomb dropped in your hand.

It flummoxed my front office to some degree.

It also made it harder on you, Dan, because now your top NFC team is the Commanders instead of the Vikings.

Well, there you go.

That's true.

And that's why, Mark, I'm open for business if you want to to do something.

We'll see.

I'm not, I'm not, I feel confident.

I know what you're doing.

It's like, it's like a verbal undressing of my process, but I feel good about where I'm at at the moment.

All right.

I am also going to take a team that I think has a chance to get hot, a team that has experience, that's done this before, it's gotten hot late in the season, that has a head coach and a quarterback that won it already once together.

Give me the Rams.

Oh, God.

I like that.

It's pretty sexy.

Okay.

I think Connor, let's be honest, Connor has been absolutely

hosed today, like in every possible way.

I mean,

it's fine.

Probably just because I'm a little hungry.

So

I'm between...

This is it, right?

I couldn't possibly possibly imagine this going any longer than this 12th save.

Yeah, we're going to call it a three.

So I'm between Seattle and Tampa Bay.

Those are my, those are my thoughts.

I think both of these teams have

the right ingredients to make a run.

Both very similar constructed defensive head coaches, second chance quarterbacks who are veteran.

But if we're leaving open the possibility of a team getting hot and expanding into something that we've probably not seen before.

I'm going to go Seattle.

I'm with the Seahawks.

I like that.

Mark, can I put in a trade offer?

Yeah, you could, yeah, sure.

Try.

All right, I send you.

I'm going to send you the Ravens.

I'm going to send you the Ravens and the Commanders, okay?

So you're going to get two picks.

And you send me the Lions.

No.

All right.

I give you the Ravens and you send me back the Vikings.

Yes.

You could have just drafted it.

Yes.

You just gave me the Lions and the Ravens.

Now, I don't believe in the Ravens very much, but I like that a lot.

That was my preseason Super Bowl matchup pick.

So I wish I was marketing.

That doesn't affect me.

Man, you know, you really had me there.

If you would have said no, I would have just shown my whole ass that I was trying to trade to get a team that I actually passed on

to select.

Well, as long as someone keeps track of it, because I don't.

All right, there it is.

That's the draft.

So the final tally.

Mark has the Lions,

the Ravens,

and the Texans.

Texans.

Dan has the Bills, the Vikings, and the Commanders.

Justin has the Chiefs, the Eagles, and the Rams, I believe.

Yeah.

That's a good thing.

And Connor, way over in Bangtown on the other side of the tracks, the Packers, the Steelers, and the Seahawks.

So I

Connor needs the Eastern Seaboard to be taken out by Deep Russia.

Like, that's what he needs.

Here's the thing.

In July, our football preview issue came out.

I wrote that the Lions were going to win the Super Bowl.

We profiled

the team and did all this stuff and did a bunch of local media, which was a lot of fun there.

I am entrenched as the Lions guy.

And so we need to make sure when this graphic comes out, it illustrates properly the fact that I did not have a chance to take the Lions.

And if that doesn't happen, now that I i have all of your addresses i'm going to print out every tweet that i get and mail it to each one of you in separate envelopes like a psychopath because i don't want to hear this shit like i i

i think the lions are going to win the super bowl like let i i need everybody to know that so

but and yet that's not how the draft board played out for you and it puts you in a very difficult spot and we're starting because that was not the intention the the uh process in which the lottery played out was totally at random and and i'm sorry that that it didn't go your way.

Yeah, it's like, good luck, Joan of Arc.

We'll see how this.

Oh, Connor just says crazy stuff.

And you know, it's the worst thing, Connor, is that your name was the first out of the helmet, but it was just the way, the structure of it all, that meant four, not one.

It's just the way the structure that we decided right before the name got pulled out of the helmet was going to be.

Yeah.

And we all talked about and agreed upon.

Definitely wasn't just one person telling us how it would be

integrity.

Beacon, shining light.

All right.

Good stuff.

Let's hit the TNF preview before we get out of here.

It's an important game.

Mondo important.

Even though only one of the, you know, hmm, that's interesting.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Kind of wish I would have taken the Niners in the draft.

Just taking a flyer on them.

It's too late.

That's a value pick, yeah.

Tough one.

Bad beat.

Anyway,

the Rams, number 14 in the Heat the Call Power rankings, travel to Santa Clara to face the number 17 49ers who are still favored by two and a half points here.

And

here we are.

The Rams coming off, obviously, a thrilling shootout victory over the Bills that I guess it really comes down to where you stand on things.

Like, did that change to you how you feel about the Rams on a fundamental basis?

Who even with that and back-to-back wins are just seven and six, but seven and six also puts you right in the mix for the NFC West.

So

for them, this is a huge game, obviously.

And for

the Niners,

Market's kind of do or die a little bit here.

Six and seven.

They got off the mat and got a win against the bad team last week, but

they have to do it.

This is the time they got to go.

Well, I think to the point at the top of the show that the AFC has already eliminated, you know, five teams.

The NFC has got one team eliminated.

It's like, it's like, it's a watered-down conference, and it's a massive game.

And I went and watched Shanahan's press conference and McVay's from, you know, the last day or two.

And I thought I saw some energy and some fire from Kyle Shanahan that I had not seen in a number of weeks where he basically, the message was, this is not over.

This is not over yet.

And I wonder where they were a couple of weeks ago, but they put up 319 yards in one half against the Bears, the highest by any team this season.

They allowed four yards.

It's the Bears, and I get it, so I'm not sure how you factor that in, but like

this team is not dead yet, and they're refusing to die.

And I feel very much the same way about the Rams.

So I think a week ago, I would have felt no energy around this matchup, but because of what happened this past week, this is a massive NFC showdown because like when we're draft, draft, when Justin's drafting the Rams and seeing like this high ceiling, like, I see it too.

I don't know if it's consistent.

I don't know which of these teams can do this three or four weeks in a row.

They've got to, but like, this will be the end of one of them.

Um, so to me, that's the kind of game I want to see on Thursday night.

Whoever loses is basically cooked, but they're not.

I mean, the Rams are.

I mean, I think they, if the Niners were to lose, for instance, they are there.

Yeah, the Niners, I think it's do or die.

And that's kind of why I like the Niners in this game and why I wish I would have taken the Niners and not the Commanders in our little draft we just did.

Because if they win that game, all of a sudden they're at 500 and shouting

distance in that division.

So

they need it.

Connor, the question is, can they, they are beat up again.

So they're on their fourth or fifth running back.

And now Isaac Rendo has not practiced in back-to-back days this week.

He's got the sprained foot.

Trent Williams, also another DNP.

I don't know Kittle status at this point.

Debo Samuels obviously not had the impact that we've been expecting this year.

Like, are they going to have that big stand in them?

I mean, it's, do we have a little bit of false confidence because the 49ers undressed a Bears team that was just not prepared to play that game?

And if you go back and you watch it again, and that was one of my games from the weekend, this was, and I think I said it on the Sunday review, right?

It's just like, this was vintage intro to Shanahan, Shanahan stuff.

It's just like, yeah, we're going to bunch these guys.

We're going to make you put linebackers on them, and then we're going to throw to the guy with the mismatch, like wash, rinse rinse repeat and you know the bears just were not equipped you know mentally physically to handle that the rams will be absolutely ready to handle it my question is is a team that plays such a physical brand of football and everybody on that roster was hurt this year cooper cup was hurt puka nakua was hurt matthew stafford is at an age now where like you know can he do this on a four-day rest you know so i think it's interesting that both of these guys have to go through each other to prolong their season that's a nice thing but that both of these guys are going to have to do it at a time where they're extremely banged up.

And we might see Scheme win the day here, which is, which is always good.

What do you think, Justin?

I think the Rams have, I like the Rams in this game, a lot of reasons for what Connor just said, but also because the Bills have been a great team, and I know they had home field advantage in any given Sunday and all that, but the Rams offense had a period at the beginning of the season where everyone was injured and Cooper Cup was out and Puka was out.

And we were like, man, this offense just doesn't work.

And then those guys came back and they they had a few weeks' stretch where we were like, Here's the Rams offense we've been waiting all season for.

And then it fell apart again.

So they've been very inconsistent.

But last week, we saw it come back together again.

And if you're going to get Puka Nakua playing at a level that he was playing at with Cooper Cup, not the guy he used to be, but a very good complement to what Nakua brings.

And Kyron Williams running hard behind an offensive line that's playing better and they've been shifting things around there and figuring out who the best five is.

Like, I like the Rams in a divisional matchup, even though it's on the road, in a game where they can really start building some momentum here.

Whereas, if you lose this one, I mean, there's going to be a lot of questions about can they play consistent football?

So,

interesting that the Niners, with all of their issues this year, they're seventh in DVOA.

And this is from Shield Capadia.

Every other team in the top 10 would be in the playoffs as the season ended today.

So, I mean, yeah, we've been kind of stomping on the Niners' grave a little bit, and everyone's kind of bought into this idea.

It's just not their year.

But like I said, this is such a big spot for them.

If they could play and play well, they're going to start getting some juice and some momentum in that building.

Where's Debo Samuel?

That's what I want to know.

You need a big one.

He had a tweet here about his season.

He had

a tweet

this week.

Oh, there it is.

Good job.

Debo,

not struggling at all, just not getting the ball.

And then somebody did the Reader's Added Context thing on Twitter.

He leads the team in drops.

He is struggling.

That's pretty good.

Got to play better.

You don't want the context when you make that tweet.

That's for sure.

And Debo, when Debo is on,

he could carry an offense for weeks.

He's done it before.

He did it last year in the middle of the season.

But when they've needed him this year, he just hasn't been there, but it is not too late.

Well, let me ask you one thing.

You're down to Patrick Taylor at running back.

Yeah.

Or Kashawn Vaughn, like, we've paid you, and I understand like Debo Samuel, we wanted to defuse the idea that you're going to be

a running back consistently in this offense injury-wise, but like, what's a better week to have Debo unleashed with eight to ten carries out of the backfield?

Like, why not, if not now, when and whenever?

Will he agree to something like that?

I guess he will.

Like,

that's fine, but like, now we have to, we need him to agree to it.

Like, we're, we paid you like modern NFL.

Well, right, but we paid you like the prince of like uh Venezuela.

So, like, how about you like go do something we've asked for?

Like,

what does the uh

the 1040 of the prince of Venezuela look like?

I'm curious.

I'm sure it's um dense.

Um,

all right, there you go.

Let's pick this game.

I do like um, obviously, the Rams looked great.

Um, I do think they'll score points, but I just got a feeling the Niners got life in them, and uh, so I'm gonna take the Niners

31 to 24.

I also kind of, can you,

in the draft, can you drop a team and pick up another one?

Like, can I drop the Commanders to pick up the 19ers?

Well, you're making all the rules.

So I guess yes.

None of us are.

Okay.

I've done that.

Now I dropped the Commanders and picked up the 49ers.

What do you guys think about that?

It seems ridiculous to all of us, but what can we do?

Rule change.

but if the Niners lose on Thursday, I will drop the Niners and be like the Sanders.

Is that allowed?

Also, I rule that out.

How are we feeling tonight, Santa Clara?

Fair enough.

Okay.

Anything else, boys?

Make your picks.

Let's hear them.

Connor?

I'm going to take the 49ers and shameless plug by the time you're listening to this.

My favorite story that I've written all year about the 49ers is going to drop.

So hopefully there's a lot of like vertical integration and cohesion with this.

So, can you give us a little tease?

Okay, just a little tease.

Yeah.

So, I got obsessed with a one-yard gain that the 49ers made during the season, became like insanely obsessed about it.

I called like 20 people to learn everything I could about this one-yard gain.

And then it has all of these tentacles that go to like Spygate on one side to Ivy League football on the other side.

And so it's it's like, it's like 5,000 words on a five-inch gain in an NFL game.

But it's like, it's very fun.

It's fun.

You'll like it.

So read it.

You know that what's that famous like orchestral love song?

It's like

from like pictures.

What is it?

From the sim that was used in The Sims, the video game.

That's my reference point for that song, given my age.

All right, thank you.

But I was going to say that's as Jordan Rodrigue heard you explain the premise of this piece.

I picture that music swelling as she just loved the idea of

what you've taken on here.

Audacious, Connor.

So

that's going to be out by the time people get this podcast.

It should be out Wednesday at like 8 a.m.

So, yeah.

All right.

So check it out, Connor Orr.

Big time piece on the one yard.

And Mark has a piece on a three-yard dive play coming out on

patreon.com.

I do, and it's 18 words long.

It's more of a text.

But I do know if Connor's going to get obsessed with something,

the winner is the reader.

And so

we talked about this story for a bit, and I can't wait to read it.

I think this is like,

I go back to a Rams Niners game from a couple years ago where Shanahan opened up with like a 13-minute long drive in the first quarter.

And it's like, Shanahan wants to beat Sean McVay's ass.

Like, it's his tree.

It's not Sean McVay's tree.

Don't talk about that tree.

Talk about this tree.

And so I think the Niners want to kick this team's butt up and down the field and silence the reverb, like, fascination with the Rams team that just beat the Bills.

This is the Niners on the brink.

I like them on the brink.

I take them 24 to 23.

Okay.

Wow.

And to your point, Connor, before they whooped up on the woeful and unprepared Chicago Bears, they lost 38-10 to the Packers Packers and 35-10 to the Bills.

So we'll see what version of the Niners shows up.

And one of those is a Bernie Allen game.

But to your point, I love that Mark brought this up because I think it was McVay that was asked about it last year, his inability to beat Shanahan and how much that bothered him.

And you really can tell.

It is a nice, it's a nice sort of subplot to the game that it really does bother one another.

I think that each of them gets the credit, you know?

And that's why I'm picking the Rams 34-31 and saving this panel from being a sweep so that it doesn't like auto-curse the Rams.

Maybe I should pick the Niners because then the Rams will just win.

But no, Rams.

But do the Titans get like a seventh-round pick in the 2028 draft?

What's baked into all of this?

The Rams win?

Like, what is that?

No, I just drafted them, so now I'm rooting for them.

Is this a nice song?

It is, yeah.

That's in the song.

I found this by by searching for Sims romance music.

Yeah, Sims picture Jordan Rodriguez.

Like, you had Jordan at a one-yard play I was obsessed with and called 400 people.

Yeah.

Justin, you are aware that song predates Sims.

No, I was saying make sure reference point as a 32-year-old

is that.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, just to be real, like, I'm 12 years older than you, but it's not like I was out when the song was hot on the charts.

Imagine when that dropped, like, you're just like, wow, like, you know, it's how I feel about someone.

It is funny how things like that just become part of culture.

Like, I don't know where would people

like my age and our ages found that?

Like Looney Tunes or something?

I feel like it was just like a B song, like Bully Tory song.

Heavy classical music used for animation, cartoons,

and sims.

Cartoon, animation?

It's all there.

It's all there.

All right, great stuff.

Before we go, one last thing, Connor.

So

grab bag episode.

And we promised the viewers, because now that we've been doing these live shows, the stream pops up and

people comment and will sometimes dip into that.

the live commenting system.

And someone made a point that,

or a, well, allegation is not the the right way to put it but they they put it out there that in a younger a younger man Connor orr was an

active

magician who would

play

kids parties

now here's a smoking gun this I believe is Connor's social media profile photo it's him in the old wizards hat from

from Fantasia you know the Mickey hat when he loses control of the brooms animation

Connor,

can you

confirm that you have history as a paid magician?

No.

That never

happened.

I'm trying to...

Connor said, Mark, it almost sounds like he's not being truthful at this point.

Well, right.

Cannot or will not, I guess, confirm.

Let me rephrase the question.

Why is it so specific?

Why would someone-paid or not even paid?

Were you someone who entertained at any type of gathering in the role of a

magician?

This feels like, did you ever see the documentary where the boyfriend and the girlfriend get kidnapped, but then they go to the police station and the police are just like, you did it.

You're a liar.

And this is like, I feel like the tone of the interrogation here.

I don't recall ever being a magician at a party for pay or not for pay.

Whoa.

How would you not re well?

How would you possibly not recall?

I'm giving myself a legal out.

I did a lot of drinking between like 2000

and 2007.

Mark, correct me if I'm wrong, and Justin, the

viewer said it was something that was going on in western New York or upstate New York, central New York.

Was it when you were in college?

It was up in the New York area.

Fairmont, New York, I believe it was.

Something like that.

Fairmont or Fairmont, New York.

But like,

it was, they claimed to have a photo of you performing at said party.

I'd throw that in there too.

Also, I do remember one time just in casual conversation with Connor and we're talking, magic came up, and I said, oh, yeah, that would be a good trick.

And then he cut me off angrily and said a trick is something a whore does for money

well that's right you add that to the mix yep

is this like an AI thing what what the f is happening here

can someone all right

I guess we'll stick a pin in it do you have a photo is there a photo we need that listener to send a photo to heed the call football show at gmail.com please

Connor it's not too late to come clean this is like what I say to this is what I say to my eldest son Jack who appeared on our show on Monday night you're gonna get in a lot less trouble if you just tell the truth.

What's the guy's name?

John Edward, the crossing over guy?

So

you're crossing over me because

you're saying, like, you're, you're implying things with your tone, and then you're just like, I believe it was this time in central New York.

And so then

you're watching me, and then you're saying, like, different parts of central New York.

I did spend four years in central New York.

I don't think it has anything to do with being a magician.

I'm very impressionable, and I can be convinced of a lot of things.

And so I'm now a little concerned about all of this.

We are definitely going to get a text or two after the show ends about this whole.

It's like, hey, can you guys just please keep this quiet?

The government thinks.

No,

no,

to the best of my knowledge.

And again, did a lot of drinking in central New York between 2006 and 2010.

I don't think I was a magician.

And this is Job, Michael's oldest brother.

So

this is the magic trick, huh?

Illusion, Michael.

Trick is something a whore does for money.

All right.

Well, Mark, I think there's some digging that must be done.

Yeah, I think this was part one of the look-in.

And just so people know as the HCC Media Insider, I am going to tell you that, yes, we have nothing to report right now.

That's all.

Nothing hard to report on us.

Thank you, Sue Simmons.

Sue Simmons.

All right, good stuff.

We'll be back on

Thursday with the week 15 preview with Mike and Jordan.

So make sure you are there for that.

And thank you, everybody, for your continued support.

And remember, it's an illusion, not a trick.

Till next time, heed the call.