MNF Recap: Bengals-Cowboys!!

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Speaker 6 Joe, what were you thinking when you saw you were getting a second chance after the recovery of that block?

Speaker 7 We needed a break. We needed a break.
We haven't gotten any this year, but

Speaker 7 it was nice to get that one. Nice to come out of this with a win.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Football. Bengals 27.
Cowboys 20. We are live heating that call.
Welcome to everybody in the live stream. Dan Hansis, Mark Sessler.

Speaker 1 And I don't believe in that, Mark, the idea of like, well, we were owed one. Because if

Speaker 1 football teams or football fans were owed one, like you and I would have seen our teams play in a Super Bowl at some point in our lifetimes.

Speaker 1 Like there is no such thing as, you know, do, and then you get it. And that kind of sucks, but that's a reality.

Speaker 1 However, I totally get how joe burrow and the bangles are feeling a team that has time and time again uh found ways to blow games i believe they had been winless in one score games this season which uh is why they lost eight of their first 12 games and it ruined their season and yet tonight on a freaky play where the cowboys in the final minutes block a punt

Speaker 1 And then a Cowboys player touches the ball and doesn't hold on, leading to a Bengals recovery.

Speaker 1 And soon enough the great great Jamar Chase is in the end zone after another insane game and yes the rest is history so the the the bengals five and eight Cowboys five and eight another week in the books what's up mark

Speaker 2 a weird game I mean I um I'm with you like uh and you've been on the Bengals and the Joe Burrow train you know, for months and months.

Speaker 2 They needed this. They really did.
And I think, you know, Joe Burrow's like words right there are basically gospel and the truth of what the team commanded, needed, wanted.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's like they,

Speaker 2 it's too late. It's too late.
And that's the problem for the Bengals. It's too late.

Speaker 2 There's a bit of a sadness to this game tonight for me because I do see a team that could beat anyone in the AFC on the right day. And just nothing seems to go correctly for them.

Speaker 2 Tonight it does, but am I wrong? It just feels kind of like this is a football game game because this is like December football.

Speaker 1 Are you wrong about what?

Speaker 2 Well, like December football, it's like

Speaker 2 we're now watching two teams. Like, there's not a lot of stakes attached to either of these teams, but it's like I'm watching it, like a what could have been with the Bengals.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel about them. That's what I feel.

Speaker 2 Just what could have been, and like, what's one of the best quarterbacks we've ever watched and observed. And it feels a little bit like a waste, but not tonight, but just in general.

Speaker 1 It's a waste of a season of Joe Burrow's prime, absolutely. And Jamar Chase's prime for that matter, because, you know,

Speaker 1 these two guys, and I think it is

Speaker 1 notable at the very least. I actually caught this kind of, I was in the next room,

Speaker 1 but I did overhear it, and I was like, ah, shit. So it was

Speaker 1 Adam Schefter

Speaker 1 minutes before kickoff, doing some type of conversation, I guess, on the field. And

Speaker 1 he wasn't doing any hard reporting, but he was floating out there things that I think I even said it kind of joking around

Speaker 1 on Sunday, I believe. Like the idea of Joe Burrow being frustrated by the circumstances in Cincinnati and how poorly this season has gone.

Speaker 1 And perhaps, just perhaps, Burrow, you know, could it end up in a way it did with Carson Palmer, where he forces his way out of town the way Palmer did to get to

Speaker 1 Oakland back in the day.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it feels like it's not something that's imminent, but it would behoove the Bengals, in addition to finishing this season with some level of dignity, to have a really good offseason and spend money.

Speaker 1 And I know the idea of keeping T. Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Joe Burrow together seems unlikely, but maybe give it a shot.

Speaker 1 Or do a hell of a job in the draft where Cincinnati has been good. And there's a reason why they have had good teams dotted throughout the last decade or so.

Speaker 1 They have hit on the draft a few times to bulk up this defense and get this team back to where it should be because you have such a special quarterback.

Speaker 1 And you saw it again in this game, but I don't want to shortchange how good Jamar Chase is too, Mark, because as brilliant as Burrow is as a quarterback, it is Jamar Chase, who is like the number one wide receiver in the league last year.

Speaker 1 This year, last year it was CeeDee Lamb, ironically, that was having these type of games down the stretch. 18 targets for Chase in this game, 14 catches for 177 yards, two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 He scored the first and last touchdown in the game. And of course, yes, the 40-yarder in the final minutes to clinch a win.
He is

Speaker 1 as brilliant as a quarterback as Burrow is. That's how brilliant a wide receiver chase is.
They're a dynamic duo.

Speaker 2 And like, it's, I think

Speaker 2 it's all the more impressive when you know it's coming his way and no one can stop it. Like, T.
Higgins tonight, two catches for 23 yards. Like, he's meant to be the guy that,

Speaker 2 you know, deflects attention and creates opportunities for Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 You're not going to see a box score like that in games in general. Like this is a completely out-of-the-world type of box score, and he's incredible.

Speaker 1 He does it sometimes. Chase is one of those guys that will put these type of games.
Like every time he steps on the field, he is one of those guys. Like he could go off for 260 today.

Speaker 1 Paired with Burrow.

Speaker 1 And that's, again, why Mark gets so crazy that this team is going home after week 18 because there's so much potential and superstar juice on this team, and they just didn't get it done.

Speaker 1 I mean, they got it done tonight, but yeah, it's week after week.

Speaker 2 Like, he's like, we got Joe Burrow throwing for 369 yards and three touchdowns, and they mentioned at the end of the broadcast that Lou Anarumo, the defensive coordinator, who, you know, for years in a row did a great job, but it's been a mess this year that like he's kind of heartbroken about how this season's played out.

Speaker 2 Just in general, with the defense has been outside of Trey Hendrickson, it's like

Speaker 2 there are big problems here, and it's been the reason that they've been completely taken apart, but they're just incomplete.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, we talked to Duke Tobin at the Combine a couple years ago, and that was

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 2 Well, we did, but that was like one of the first true sort of general manager type figures that's had a voice outside of Mike Brown. And like our great friend Wes,

Speaker 2 you know, wrote a massive binder and collected notes on why the Bengals were no longer his team, and it was because of the ownership.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you've got to convince Joe Burrow and the rest of the people that are starry figures here that this is a team that's serious about winning. And

Speaker 2 I don't know what the future is. I think

Speaker 2 there are, it is fair to wonder if

Speaker 2 you lose your star quarterback because he talked about the Super Bowl window being open forever.

Speaker 2 Okay, that also requires like...

Speaker 2 your organization and your team to build around you in a way that's collective, that is balanced, and you are in a division with the Pittsburgh Steelers, with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 Like, are you serious, Michael?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we got a comment here from WTD J610. Do you suppose Burrow would take back his career Super Bowl window remark now he's played a year with absolutely no date? No, of course not.

Speaker 1 In fact, I love that. I love everything.
It is open with him, right? Like, it doesn't matter almost. Right.

Speaker 1 But I understand what our listener means by that, but at the same time, it's like, that's the bravado and the moxie you want from your quarterback who thinks he's the baddest mother effer on the planet.

Speaker 1 And he just needs more help, and he has not gotten enough help. I mean, listen, I can't, I'm such a burrow guy.
I'm such a burrow head

Speaker 1 that let's check out the pregame outfit that he had on.

Speaker 1 I mean, I showed it to my eldest son, my 10-year-old Jack, and I was like, let him be the arbiter because he's kind of drippy with the way he dresses. He loved it.
He absolutely loved this outfit.

Speaker 1 My wife zoomed in on the shoes.

Speaker 1 It's weird because he's got like, he's got like almost clogs on or they're like can you zoom in on that justin is that possible like uh they're like the investment banker um shoes uh and then the outfits like the type of pajamas that a seven-year-old would like crave on christmas eve you know what i mean like

Speaker 1 with the sunglasses indoors he's a he's a different dude you do wonder what he's he's thinking right now about his long-term future does he see himself as cincinnati forever and then you look on the other side of the field uh let's let's look at uh micah Parsons.

Speaker 1 You want to talk about superstar. Oh, there's the shot.

Speaker 2 Well, and this is, by the way, like, I feel this is in contrast to me texting both you and Justin during the game saying, this seems absurd to me. Who's dressing this person?

Speaker 2 But I am not of that generation.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Like, it's part of the generation, Mark, is you need to stand out, you know?

Speaker 1 And I know, like, I think you look sharp today with

Speaker 1 the free shirt that you got. I have that shirt too.
I haven't worn it yet.

Speaker 1 And the reason I'm not wearing it is because I know there's a 75% chance you'll be wearing it when I sit down at my chair and I don't want to have to change.

Speaker 1 So I'm held hostage by your very tight rotation. In fact,

Speaker 1 not to get one.

Speaker 2 But hold on just text me before the show and say, it's my night to wear the free shirt. And I'm going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Not to get off topic today, but we do like pre-rolls where we have to do ad reads. And I was on, because I'm just a warrior, a physical warrior.

Speaker 1 I was on the Peloton bike watching the game in the first half. So I was like, hey, I can't do the pre-read with you, Justin.
And I was like, Mark can handle it.

Speaker 1 And then Mark's response was, what, Justin?

Speaker 8 My shirt's in the wash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my shirt's not red.

Speaker 2 I think I meant the dryer. Like, it was still not, even when I

Speaker 2 was.

Speaker 1 Who's the shirt?

Speaker 8 Who's the brand?

Speaker 8 That's the whole point.

Speaker 2 It's Dewer.

Speaker 8 This episode is brought to you by Dewer, and Mark's wearing his Dewer shirt.

Speaker 1 I think that's what

Speaker 2 matters. And also, like, by the way, when I did the read,

Speaker 2 like, you know, end of third quarter, I did the read for the brand.

Speaker 2 The shirt wasn't entirely dry. It was still a little damp.
And, like, that's a warrior. Right.
But if we want to talk about warriors,

Speaker 1 the way you said it, it made it sound like it was your only shirt. And this shirt happened to be in the wash.

Speaker 1 So you were just topless in your home waiting for your only shirt to be ready so you could do the ad read.

Speaker 1 It was kind of an interesting little text. It was one of those marked texts that you're just like, I love you.
You got a sex addition? You got a problem with sex? Oh, well, so.

Speaker 1 You're addicted to sex? I cannot win with this crew.

Speaker 2 That is clear.

Speaker 2 I really do feel like if you send me, and you mean collective, like a top, a shirt that I love, like I'll probably wear it like 20% of the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we need to record our doer read before we go live. This is from Justin.
This is a little pull back the curtain to heed the call, our thread.

Speaker 1 They also asked if you could wear your doer shirt for recording. Nice.
I love that. Oh, you know what?

Speaker 1 I have to apologize. I totally missed the context here.
I didn't realize.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 Oh, context. We're adding context to this shirt.

Speaker 1 I owe you an apology, Mark, because I didn't realize that they wanted this shirt in particular. And that's why.

Speaker 2 God forbid Justin butts in with any sort of context that doesn't ⁇ that swings pro, Mark. Like that would be a new trend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the goal of the... It doesn't surprise me if that shirt's in the wash.
It's getting a lot of run. It's getting a lot of run, and it looks great for you.
Good job, doer.

Speaker 2 It feels like a processed ad read, but it wasn't. That was an organic conversation.

Speaker 1 It wasn't. All right.
What else? Oh, yeah. Micah Parsons.
So here's the other.

Speaker 1 So just again, here we go. The Cowboys are about to get the ball back with a score tied.

Speaker 1 2020. First play after the two-minute warning.
Nick Vigil. Shout out Nick Vigil, who's like, also has to be mega-pissed.
Blocks a punt by Cincinnati's Ryan Reckow. And then Amani

Speaker 1 Aru Warrier tries to field the bouncing ball when he could have just left it alone, given Dallas possession on Cincinnati's side of the field. And when he muffs it inevitably,

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ, the Bengals, Maima Nanjanmetta, recovered at the Cincinnati 43-yards point

Speaker 1 with 153 remaining. And show me Micah again.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's his reaction. And

Speaker 1 then they showed him stomping off the field, too, Mark. And it's like, you want to talk about, I don't think Micah's going anywhere.

Speaker 1 You know, he likes being on the Cowboys and the Cowboys are going to take care of him.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, what a frustrating season for Dallas and what a house of horrors ATT Stadium has been for them. And I kind of forgot because

Speaker 1 all we now think of the Cowboys at home are just getting killed. And on some level, this was progress today.

Speaker 1 But before the playoff game in January, and then this last season where they've lost six of seven in their building, they were eight-1 and 8-0 at AT ⁇ T Stadium.

Speaker 1 So the first thing they need to figure out

Speaker 1 beyond making the upgrades to the roster is how do we get our home field advantage back? Because it just, it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 But when you're starting Cooper Rush, no offense, and Ezekiel Elliott's still seeing the field in nearly 2025, there are limits to what you're going to be able to do ultimately. Team needs work.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, I don't think Cooper Rush is the biggest issue here.

Speaker 2 And like, I also think like when it, when you get these, these are seasonal things, like when you get like the home record that is a disaster like this, like I don't know how you diagnose that.

Speaker 2 They're also, like, it's Dallas. Like, I don't know if you've ever been to a Cowboys.

Speaker 2 I had the chance to go to a couple Cowboys games like in Dallas where you've got Jerry Jones spending 45 minutes, you know, shaking hands with like 150 to hunt 250 men and women before the game.

Speaker 2 It's like very ceremonial. It's not Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 It's not New York. It's not Cleveland.
It's like

Speaker 2 it's warm. It's

Speaker 2 temperate. It's not intimidating.
So, what is homefield advantage? And why are they so bad?

Speaker 1 Well, when they were 16 and one the two years before that, it was certainly a good homefield advantage. It just

Speaker 2 because of the stadium. That's all I'd say.

Speaker 2 Like, so it's not, it like when I see, when I like think about we've got to go to Pittsburgh and win a game, like, when I think about the Steelers and the playoffs, they could steal a playoff game.

Speaker 2 It's just different to me than that. That's all.

Speaker 2 But they've got a lot of issues, and you've got to keep your quarterback healthy. And even tonight, I don't like watching Joe Burrow having to put a

Speaker 2 brace or a sleeve on his knee, the same knee that the ACL that he tore years ago. It's like, that's the same thing with the Bengals, too.
It's like, if we lose this player, we're gone.

Speaker 2 And like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I come out of this game feeling just a little bit of sadness for

Speaker 2 specifically, forget the Cowboys, the Bengals.

Speaker 2 I just do i'm like this team could have taken out any one of these top tier afc teams well now you understand why you when you nominated to fork them twice mark it was like but they're but that's technical but that is fair

Speaker 1 that's technical it's not it's like they they are a weird season and i think if you if you if they played these games these 13 games

Speaker 1 uh if you did it 10 times the five and eight outcome i don't think it typically happens and i and but it did and there's a huge amount of frustration obviously, in that, in that locker room.

Speaker 1 And I think we mentioned Lou Anarumo. They flashed up late in the game that he,

Speaker 1 by the way, you were right, I mean, about your, the forking of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 But like the, what I mean is, like, I think it's more like for me, or what the original conceit is I recalled for the fork segment is like, who do you think has no chance of making the playoffs?

Speaker 1 And like, there was never a point until, I guess, they lost that, what was it, the Pittsburgh game, where I was like, okay, now they're out because they, they just have this ability to light up every team.

Speaker 1 And that's why Lou Anarumo, as like, how do we keep the quarterback from jumping ship?

Speaker 1 Jamar Chase is this amazing player, but he's also a guy that could be temperamental, like many number one wide receivers are. It's in their DNA.

Speaker 1 Like, how do we keep him from getting upset and saying, I want out of here? It's like, okay, you got to sacrifice somebody. So I think Lou is going to go overboard more likely than Zach.

Speaker 1 And then they have to add talent. Like, there's a talent deficit on this defense.

Speaker 1 To their credit, I thought they did pretty well in this game.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys and Cooper Rush, after they went down the field and

Speaker 1 really, it looked like it was going to be finally a big CD lamb night, and he scores a touchdown in fourth and one. It's like, oh, here we go again.

Speaker 1 But I thought from that point on, Cincinnati's defense actually played a lot better. And in general, like then they catch the break at the end.
It's like, okay, like

Speaker 1 they had a couple more of these and maybe the AFC playoff. Because, you know, the AFC playoff picture could have used Cincinnati around.

Speaker 1 You know, and when you look at the playoff picture, there's not a lot of juice right now in terms of how things, barring a total collapse by either Los Angeles or Denver, I think we're pretty locked in.

Speaker 1 It would have been nice to have a chaos agent, as was mentioned on Sky Sports, and Cincinnati could have been that. Now they just have to be a berserker.
They'll have to settle for that.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, because like if you look at the playoff picture, the AFC has, you know, lowercase E dash eliminated as like five or six teams.

Speaker 2 And the NFC, I think it was just the Giants coming into tonight that were eliminated. So AFC is pretty settled, but I don't feel excited about it outside of, you know, one or two teams.

Speaker 2 And you're right. The Bengals, something about the Bengals feels

Speaker 2 kind of wild, kind of, there's possibility. It's vibrant with possibility.
And yet we won't get that possibility. And I, you know, T.
Higgins will be gone.

Speaker 2 You know, you've got Chase, who seems to me to be a bit of a, he seems to me to be like, you know, mood-wise, like, he'd go left to right, and then, like, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 I'd take him on my team, though, I'll tell you that. Well, absolutely.
But, like, I mean,

Speaker 2 even if Burrow wants to show up in his, whatever those were, pajamas from like a child's Christmas party, like,

Speaker 2 I'll take him too.

Speaker 1 What was the, you saw it somewhere, Gravedigger. What was the comment? Someone said

Speaker 1 that Burrow's outfit looked like what?

Speaker 8 A 90s movie theater carpet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that had like AMC Regent type energy to it. Sam Bruce Smith.

Speaker 1 Well said the lines.

Speaker 1 Look, it's tight in the thighs and knees, and then it almost has like a bit of a flare at the bottom, like a boot cut.

Speaker 2 That was a little like late 60s, early 70s.

Speaker 1 The best part of it is, Mark,

Speaker 1 probably costs like $17,000.

Speaker 2 Well, I also know, like, like the My One thing is he went to that fashion show with Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you don't like that, right? You like your men to be lunch pail guys, I get it.

Speaker 2 No, I don't need that.

Speaker 2 I don't need that necessarily, but like I thought it was a bit like when I'm when my quarterback, and he's not my quarterback, but like he's wearing like it was like an open, a blouse with like an open back area.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, listen, okay, you know, the one true great quarterback in the history of my team did a pantyhose commercial. You know, he wore a white full-length mink coat on the sideline.

Speaker 1 You know, these guys are, some of these guys, they're just different, Mark. They end up.

Speaker 2 No, I learn when I text some of my thoughts to the, you know, to our group, the three of us, like, Justin will quickly tell me, like, no, that doesn't fit in, you know, with today's society.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I'll, all right, I'll did he will take a look. Oh, did he make you feel a certain way? That's unfortunate that our producer would do that to you.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 he likes to correct certain aspects of myself. So we get that, you know.

Speaker 2 Justin, I think you'd agree.

Speaker 8 I've been called snarky multiple times in the past month, and like in the first 31 and a half years of my life, I had been called snarky zero times. So maybe I'm getting snarkier.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay. Sam Bruce Smith, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
They played well versus Cooper Rush. Is this a bottom eight team?

Speaker 1 This is like a bottom eight team in the Cowboys offense. Yeah.
Well, Cooper Rush has been okay, actually, since taking over. Not great, but okay.

Speaker 1 The point being is like Cincinnati's defense has been so bad this year that I half expected the Cowboys to put up 30.

Speaker 1 So, you know, take wherever you could take a win with this defense this year, you'll take it even against the backup of Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1 telecast today on Disney Plus. Well done.
If he wanted to share a review of his thoughts on that product, he has now decided he wants to do it.

Speaker 9 so uh jack the microphone's yours what did you think about uh the simpsons telecast um i think it was really convenient because um the fact that they all put it in like the simpsons way was very cool and the animation like felt like real and the actors were like good yeah who which simpsons character character had the biggest game i think it was um homer simpson oh wow homer oh was he joe burrow i think he might have been joe burrows homer needed a win as much as the bangles And I just, it looks like Lisa, look at this.

Speaker 1 This is the Lisa.

Speaker 2 This is Lisa doing the Jamar Chase thing at the end. Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 So she had a big game as well. What did you think about Lisa's performance?

Speaker 9 I think Lisa did really good, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you have a favorite Simpsons episode? We watch the boys, although they

Speaker 1 were born decades after The Simpsons high point. I grew up on The Simpsons, and one thing we watch every October is many of the Halloween specials.

Speaker 1 What is your favorite Simpsons Halloween special episode?

Speaker 9 There's a lot to choose from, but I think it's

Speaker 9 one where they're like in that hotel and then they take away all of Homer's beer and then TV.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That is the shining homage.

Speaker 1 What is it? No beer and no TV make Homer go crazy. Yes, it would.
We also like when the Dolphins take over that episode. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so do you think that the Simpsons Simpsons episode, they should do another one in the future? Yeah, yeah. All right.
Is there anything you need to say to Uncle Mark Sessler?

Speaker 9 Bye.

Speaker 1 All right, there you go, ladies and gentlemen. That's what most people tend to say.

Speaker 2 It wasn't a debut, I guess, but like what a

Speaker 2 segment

Speaker 1 that was. What a segment.
I'm very proud of him because he was shy.

Speaker 1 He's a very outgoing boy, but that is something that it took a little bit of bravery there, a lot of bravery. And now I could tell you he was beaming, as is his old man internally.
That was nice.

Speaker 2 How many, you know, he's captured a live, I wouldn't call it television, but a live media moment.

Speaker 2 He came in and nailed live media, which is.

Speaker 1 I think maybe it's now that Jack hands us media minute. Yes.
I think I have to pass the torch. I do like the idea of the podcast one day just being

Speaker 1 Jack, Harrison, Luke, Colton, and then like seven or eight of Justin's illegitimate children that we just rotate in as the producer.

Speaker 2 They could be the stringers because they're scattered all over the globe. I have the other daughter that you know about as well.
She could be at that point an older, an older attache.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we could use Justin's children throughout America as like, you know, spinal tap, how to keep replacing the drummers.

Speaker 2 Like, well, he can't stop having children, and that's my concern for Justin. I've tried to voice that, but that was, you know,

Speaker 2 he didn't want to listen to that. But enough enough with the children, Justin.
Like, just, you know, work through it.

Speaker 1 Look at this. And how can we forget Terry and Lisa's children who perished tragically last Thursday? Justin, anything about anything?

Speaker 8 No. Mystery.
Keep it that way.

Speaker 1 See, he's got nothing to say. I do like it as a Nepo babies pod.
That does sound good. All right.
Let's quickly do a little bit of news.

Speaker 1 Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, okay, ever apologize for winning a game in the NFL. ever, okay? And guess what?

Speaker 5 The team that was leading our division lost again.

Speaker 1 Listen to that locker room. I can't get enough of the Saints' locker room right now.
They are on fire.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, does Skyrizzi know that

Speaker 1 the Bucs are actually in first place? It doesn't matter at this point.

Speaker 1 Just let him have his fun. But that is an electric locker room.
I can't get enough of it.

Speaker 2 It's really one of the great things about the late part of the NFL season when you get like the interim coach, and the locker room is just waiting to get to

Speaker 2 the Bahamas, come early January, and they can't because they still have to deal with this person for weeks on end. But

Speaker 2 I don't know. The Saints to me feel like a weird destination.

Speaker 2 A strange location.

Speaker 1 Also, a strange location would be seeing Bill Belichick,

Speaker 1 you know, a handful of wins shy of

Speaker 1 passing Don Schula as the most winning coach in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 Instead, taking a job at UNC, the 72-year-old confirmed that he has been in talks with North Carolina about the school's open coaching job. He said that on the McAfee show on Monday.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Belchuk confirmed to McAfee that he had, quote, a couple of good conversations, close quote, with UNC Chancellor Lee Roberts. There's your little Lee Roberts update on Heed the Call today.

Speaker 1 He adds, we'll see how that goes. We'll see how that goes.
He concluded the interview by saying about the UNC job, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 Can you even imagine how bad an interviewer 72-year-old Bill Belichick is? I mean, he's got a,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 but all you really have to do is like, I've been to nine Super Bowls and I've won six.

Speaker 1 And that's it. What else does he really need to say?

Speaker 2 He doesn't need to say much else. Like, I do watch him pretty consistently on the Manning cast, and I find him engaging.
I think you just got got to get him in his zone.

Speaker 2 I don't get what he's doing here because just go to an NFL team and break Don Schuler's record.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's like, and I'm sure UNC is fine with it because it's promotion and publicity, I guess, on some level, but like, maybe he's just knocking off the rust.

Speaker 1 When's the last time this man interviewed for a job? 25 years ago? I think you're right.

Speaker 2 I think it's like, let's play A against B. And, you know,

Speaker 2 we're not doing NFL interviews yet, but like, don't, like,

Speaker 2 make it feel like you're not going to get him. But I don't, I don't, I feel like if I'm Bill Belichick, go break that record and

Speaker 2 give your middle finger to everyone.

Speaker 1 I agree. By the way, one of the many things about

Speaker 1 in other news,

Speaker 1 one of the many things about

Speaker 1 being a fan of a bad team is even when you have young players that keep losing, then you have to start worrying about, like, oh man, is this guy going to try to get out of town?

Speaker 1 And sure enough, we get a report from multiple people on the Jets beat that Garrett Wilson,

Speaker 1 it is expected, will put in a formal request for a trade. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I got to be honest with you, like, that's not ideal because I had heard,

Speaker 1 I'm choosing my words carefully. I don't, you know, could be kids in the car if you're listening.
But Santa had

Speaker 1 planned or was dropping off a Juan Soto Yankees jersey for the boy

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 just appeared on the show. And we have to tell Santa that has to go back from whence it came.
And then my other son had asked Santa for a Garrett Wilson jersey.

Speaker 1 And because Santa has to get these things in order for his sleigh, he had already loaded it into his sack, as I understand it.

Speaker 1 So old Zuzzer is going to have to work with Santa perhaps on this merchandise finding its way back to the North Pole.

Speaker 1 Anyway, long story short, it just sucks and frustrating because Garrett Wilson is a stud,

Speaker 1 but he's unhappy because he's not only been playing for a bad team for three years, Jets are embarrassing bad. So just keep that name in mind.

Speaker 1 If the Jets decide we don't want to, a guy that's going to command $30 million a year potentially, if he's unhappy and they don't think they can get it done, he's going to be a major chip out there.

Speaker 1 When we talk about the teams, like the Patriots, not the Jets and the Patriots would probably do business but the chargers or 15 other teams garrett wilson in the right setup could be what sam darnold is in minnesota right now he could be a superstar 1a wide receiver in the right setup so just stick a pin in that one mark uh uh garrett wilson likely looking to get out of town i mean it's depressing because you would have projected like well garrett wilson who could have understandably been annoyed a couple years ago um You've had Aaron Rodgers for two seasons and you're still upset and you still want to go.

Speaker 2 And like, you are, I think players are much, they're just more savvy about their careers, obviously, and they're more plugged in and you don't have a GM.

Speaker 2 So it's like, what is the new, what is the planned situation here?

Speaker 1 You don't have a coach or a GM.

Speaker 2 Right. And or a quarterback.
So it's like, I do think if you're him, you're looking at like a Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 You're looking at these guys and saying, like, I'm in control of my career, not the GM, not the coaches. It's not 1991.
So

Speaker 1 I'm not surprised by it. To the Chargers as an example,

Speaker 1 that would be Justin Herbert getting a true number one. And I'm sure Garrett Wilson, like many 24-year-old multi-million dollar athletes, would love to call Los Angeles home.

Speaker 1 So anyway, just keep an eye on that.

Speaker 1 And let's see, injury, injury news. Skyrizzi said Derek Carr does have a fracture to his non-throwing hand, but he's considered weak to weak.
It's not an IR situation.

Speaker 1 He's also in the concussion protocol.

Speaker 1 Derek,

Speaker 1 let's just shut it down, man.

Speaker 1 What is Dedrick Wills, the Browns lineman?

Speaker 1 He admitted he made a business decision. Is that what he called it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they put him on IR and he's gone.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I looked at

Speaker 2 the contract situation with Derek Hart. I would just say this.
It's very manageable. It's manageable enough.
to move on after this season for both sides. So like,

Speaker 2 I just can't, can you really picture him being there a year from now? Like, I just think that's another team that is going to start over. And like, it's not a Derek Carr.

Speaker 2 He's fine, but like, he's, I don't see him as part of this organization a year from now. And so like, why go mine through three or four more weeks of punishment?

Speaker 1 I think Derek Carr's next career destination is probably

Speaker 1 in the Baker Mayfield two years ago mold where he's going to look for a team where he can compete, but he is not locked and loaded on any levels to QB1, and that's kind of probably his best case scenario at this stage of his career.

Speaker 1 His status for week 15 is up in the air. He hasn't been ruled out yet.

Speaker 1 I was very happy, Mark. Nobody cares about your fantasy team or mine, and certainly not Justin's, no matter how much he tells us.

Speaker 2 Well, he wants us to feel that that's the case, but yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 But I was mighty proud of myself. Sorry, Justin.

Speaker 1 To pick up, as a guy who

Speaker 1 picked up Jordan Mason week one, then traded in a savvy move, traded for Christian McCaffrey in October and stashed him and then got him back.

Speaker 1 And then we know what happened to Christian McCaffrey, then used the remaining budget I had on my free agent wire to bring in Isaac Garendo.

Speaker 1 And then Garendo's a stud in the regular season finale week. Well, now he's hurt too.
And it's just like, can we, can we chill with the injuries in the Niners backfield? He has a foot sprain.

Speaker 1 He'll be evaluated. And this comes after he had about 150 yards and two touchdowns in his debut.
Such a great athlete. He'll be evaluated over the next few days.
They don't think it's a serious one.

Speaker 1 We're not hearing the harlot Liz Frank, for example, being involved. But the Niners play their season on the line essentially on a short week on Thursday.

Speaker 1 So I don't know if we're going to see Garendo. And if we don't have Garendo,

Speaker 1 and I will have $2 in my waiver wire to pick up

Speaker 2 who's left? Kashon Vaughn. You could pick up.

Speaker 1 I'll be all over that. Kashon Vaughn, pick up

Speaker 1 Israel Abanaconda. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the Niners need it.

Speaker 8 They're saying Patrick Taylor is the next man up.

Speaker 1 So maybe,

Speaker 8 I don't know. This is going to get murky at this point.
Garendo was like, he's going to be stepping in as the lead back. Now, what do they do? Is Patrick Taylor going to be the lead back?

Speaker 8 Or are they going to go committee style with this group of three that's left?

Speaker 1 super annoying it's what a committee super annoying let's think about the zelders fantasy team most first and foremost in this in these trying times uh in other running back injury news tough one uh the pelraiser reports that jonathan brooks of the panthers retore his right acl on sunday uh canal has actually said this um in his presser uh terrible uh first running back that came off the board in april uh made his debut on november 24th appeared in three games and now back to the surgery table and the long-grueling rehab.

Speaker 1 Terrible. The Texans have designated linebacker Christian Harris and offensive lineman Kenyon Green to return to practice from injured reserve.
Their window is open, and the Texans need help.

Speaker 1 So those are guys that they're hoping make an impact. Drew Locke will start for the Giants against the Ravens if he's healthy enough.
Brian Dable told reporters he's going through tests.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what his injury is. I don't care.
But what happened? Did Tommy meet balls, is he just, did they put him in mothballs? Is it Tommy Mothballs now?

Speaker 2 I think they moved on from that. What was more of a social experiment than a football experiment? Yes, I think they moved on from that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, tough one, tough one.

Speaker 1 Bucks coach Todd Bowles told a reporter that all-pro safety Antoine Winfield will miss, quote, several games with a sprained knee. Tough blow to their defense.
However.

Speaker 1 This team has found a way throughout the season to keep their heads above water, and they just got to probably get to nine wins

Speaker 1 to win that crummy division. So hopefully they can do that and Winfield can come back and then you get a frisky NFC South team.

Speaker 1 I don't need anybody else, Mark, from the NFC South sniffing the postseason. Just get the Bucs in there and at least we get Baker on a Saturday night, maybe.

Speaker 2 I like you bringing Crummy back into the lexicon. I mean, the only of those news items, many were lost in the mix.

Speaker 2 Like Jonathan Brooks, who just spent like nine months, you're rehabbing.

Speaker 2 I'll never forget like watching like the Grunkowski thing about his rehab you're just alone you're alone rehabbing with like one or two people and now he has to go back and rehab the same body part again i think what they were wanting to do was like pair up it's not the same as aikman and emmett smith but get a quarterback and a lead running back and build your offense and

Speaker 1 abaconda don't want none unless you got two dollars hon hella i get it carl That's where we're going with that. The old heads know it.
But great.

Speaker 1 That was good. That was a good take also, Marcus.

Speaker 8 Isn't that the name of your fantasy football team, Mark? You said it on Sunday's show?

Speaker 2 No, my team is. I mean, I already said it, but it's like big.
First of all, there's only so many

Speaker 2 letters you can fit in. So it's like Big Butts

Speaker 2 Plus versus Anne, because I ran out of space. Like Big Butts

Speaker 2 and cannot lie.

Speaker 8 And what is that line from?

Speaker 8 Well, am I wrong? Is that not the right song?

Speaker 8 Am I confused?

Speaker 1 No, I think you're dead dead on, but... You're wasting our time, Justin.
Okay.

Speaker 2 You're dead on, but like...

Speaker 1 Justin, just hit the Jim Harbaugh Winson drop in that spot and be done with it so we can just move, you know?

Speaker 2 I like hearing from Justin in that moment.

Speaker 1 Hey, Justin,

Speaker 1 you got a sex edition? You got a problem with sex? Sex edition.

Speaker 2 I support you

Speaker 2 and you go down that road again.

Speaker 1 It's Baby Got Back, Sir Mix A Lot. Yes.
The 1992 rap classic. Is that what you were getting at?

Speaker 8 Is that not the same song? That is the same song, right?

Speaker 1 Or are you thinking of the Nicki Minaj where she sampled it? Did you know it came from

Speaker 1 what I was not thinking of now?

Speaker 8 No, I didn't even know.

Speaker 1 I know you weren't. But did you know about Sir Mixalot, Justin?

Speaker 8 I didn't even know Nicki Minaj sampled it. So, yes, I'm very familiar with the Sir Mix-Alot version.

Speaker 2 Same page.

Speaker 2 We're on the same page.

Speaker 1 Look at the 44-year-old

Speaker 1 and the 53-year-old just taking it to the kid.

Speaker 2 53? I'm not 50.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to stand for that slander.

Speaker 2 Sorry, buddy.

Speaker 1 Forever young, you know, forever young. Let's see.
Finally, Raiders, quarterback. This is good news.
I think this is the first time this has ever happened, by the way.

Speaker 1 Usually, when you're in an air cast, it's bang time. It's like, I'll see you next year, and maybe you're walking with a limp for the next 18 months.

Speaker 1 But in this case, Aiden O'Connell, he was put in an air cast after he took a late hit and landed awkwardly on his leg. It looked like a broken leg.

Speaker 1 All those Twitter doctors that we love were all saying, oh, this is a class. No, classic Tibia.
Yep, classic Fibia Tibia. That's how they say.
Yep. It's going to be a tough one.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a tough one for Aiden. Classic Tibia, Fibia situation.

Speaker 1 No, it's a bone bruise in his knee. Smart guy.
Literally a doctor sitting on his laptop about 3,000 miles away from the site of the game.

Speaker 1 The MRI confirmed this morning, sources told Rapsheet, despite reports to the contrary, now I'm just reading Graver copy and I'm loving it. O'Connell hasn't been ruled out for Monday's game.

Speaker 1 Desmond Ritter finished the game for Las Vegas at QB. And he would be the guy if

Speaker 1 O'Connell can't go. By the way, if you are on a nine-game or 10-game losing streak or whatever, and

Speaker 1 the only thing left at this point, unless you're just trying to save your coach from getting fired, is just get the number one pick and be done with this miserable season. Right.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't need to rush Aiden O'Connell seven days after he was in an air cast being taken to a hospital playing for the Las Vegas Raiders. Let's put Desmond Ritter in there, okay?

Speaker 2 Like, I am searching through my mind at the moment actively for things that are more meaningless. And I'm struggling to come up with items.

Speaker 1 Justin, anything else?

Speaker 1 How about let's check in on the old live chat? What do you got?

Speaker 8 All right.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 8 here's one.

Speaker 1 My Anaconda don't want none unless you got. But, you know, that song actually, when it came out in 1992.

Speaker 2 Could you release that today, by the way? Could you probably?

Speaker 1 Of course. What I'm saying is it was ahead of its time.
I will say, as like a white boy from the suburbs,

Speaker 1 like I was like learning.

Speaker 1 It was like the whole song, Sir Mixelot, the Seattle native, is about like at the time when Kate Moss was huge and it was all about being having no curves and being skinny and harbinging yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Your diet was smoking cigarettes.

Speaker 1 Like, here's Sir Mixilot being like, I like it thick. Like,

Speaker 1 that's a real woman to me. Like, that was not conventional wisdom

Speaker 1 in 1992. Now, today,

Speaker 1 there's a huge intersection of people that like

Speaker 1 healthy women.

Speaker 2 There are. Well, I think

Speaker 2 that's an incredible take because I think it's like

Speaker 1 ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 Round of a lot of people. I think you nailed that because you're right.
We were in a period where like

Speaker 2 attractiveness equaled, like, I'm a dangerously wayfish individual. And like, he came out of, it wasn't left field.

Speaker 2 It was just sort of speaking for another segment of the population saying, like, if you're Jason Zumwalt or if you're Sir Mick Salot, like, you like something different.

Speaker 1 You better be caked up if you're going to be with me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and Jason Zumwalt had no choice over the matter, but Sir Mick Silot did. So, you know.

Speaker 1 An absolute wagon.

Speaker 1 He spoke truth to power, that Sir Mixalotte.

Speaker 1 Connor Roper, can Mark with a C get behind the Rams and ruin their season now as well?

Speaker 1 No, leave the Rams alone. But how about this, Mark?

Speaker 1 When you were last night, you were saying how, you know, abandon all hope, ye who enter the NFL playoffs, because the Chiefs are going to win again.

Speaker 1 How about get behind the Chiefs in a meaningful voodoo manner?

Speaker 2 Well, I see that people assume I have a power now, and they want me to use it for their own needs.

Speaker 1 Use it for good.

Speaker 2 I could be Kajal. I mean, what do I get out of it? Like, I need in reverse, you know.

Speaker 1 Do you want to see Patrick Mahomes

Speaker 1 with another Lombardi and Travis Kelsey singing into a microphone, like, and us having to talk about that shit again? I mean, I think everybody kind of wins.

Speaker 2 No, two sands don't, but I could get behind it in theory. I understand that.
That feels, we've done that a couple times.

Speaker 1 You have, what's that, Cessler drop? I have power. You have the power, Mark, by

Speaker 1 let's let's put let's stick a pin in this and we could talk about it on Thursday, but you have the power to single-handedly end the Chiefs dynasty, if you so choose.

Speaker 2 Yes, my only note would be that it needs to feel, because if we talk about it too much, we're on like, you know, open airwaves, like if I seem to get behind a team with true passion, that's what creates the so-called reverse curse on them.

Speaker 2 If I just do it like as I'm pulling a lever, I don't know if it does.

Speaker 1 I think part of the voodoo curse. Let me get that voodoo music.

Speaker 2 It has to be that I care.

Speaker 1 You have to be invested in them. It's that passion that Mark has.
It's like for some, you could actually, remember in Space Jam when the guys

Speaker 1 went into their body and they lost all their basketball playing ability.

Speaker 1 It's like almost

Speaker 1 the bad Browns voodoo of Mark. It goes from Cleveland through Connecticut, back through Los Angeles, and then into whatever facility Mark has deemed to be the hot location of the NFL.

Speaker 2 Why was I brought to the planet? Like, it feels nefarious.

Speaker 1 What else we got?

Speaker 1 A couple more. Motel Ghost, I demand a Connor the Clown update tonight.

Speaker 1 We got that one. Maybe tomorrow's midweek show.
The midweek show taping, we will address it with Connor and we will get answers.

Speaker 1 Don't worry, you have the HTC Media Insider on this, and we have a source very close to the story. Put it that way.

Speaker 1 Mandy Meyer, I'm just here to see when Justin's edibles kick in. Oh, you're watching it in real time.

Speaker 1 Justin is messed up. Joseph V., love from China.
China. China, Mark.

Speaker 1 China.

Speaker 2 There we go. It's very good.

Speaker 1 Very good. It's very nice.

Speaker 2 It's very good.

Speaker 1 Manufacture quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Mark,

Speaker 1 the shirt is sharp. So we got crummy and sharp today.

Speaker 1 First time caller, long-time listener. Any doomsday predictions for this upcoming Super Bowl? Bowl?

Speaker 2 Oh, I think it was Joseph from China. I think he's referring to

Speaker 2 like an animal biting someone's head off at halftime or like a bomb landing.

Speaker 2 It's in New Orleans. Like the last time we went to, well, so the last time we were in New Orleans, like I had to write an NFL.com story, one of the worst hours of my life, like about the electricity.

Speaker 2 going out in the stadium in the middle of the Super Bowl. It caused a 16, 17 minute break.

Speaker 2 It feels excessive that something else would happen. So I'm actually going to hold off on doomsday.

Speaker 1 I saw an article today that

Speaker 1 apparently in Nashville,

Speaker 1 who I love Nashdra Damas. I used to watch the

Speaker 1 Orson Welles HBO documentary from the early 80s. Nasha Damas over here now.

Speaker 1 It was called The Man Who Saw Tomorrow. Very sad.
Oh, I've seen that. Yep.
Terrifying, actually. Go watch it.
It's on YouTube now if you haven't.

Speaker 1 Because he got a lot of things right or close close to right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he got a lot of things wrong, too.

Speaker 1 A lot of things wrong.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's a wide net.

Speaker 1 He kind of predicted 9-11. He said there would be

Speaker 1 three,

Speaker 1 what did he call them? Antichrists. And he named one of them as Hister.

Speaker 1 Yep. This was a thousand years before or whatever.
Anyway,

Speaker 1 apparently 2025 is a rough one, according to Nasha Damas.

Speaker 2 Oh, is that

Speaker 2 they've zoned into.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I read that in

Speaker 1 the beacon of journalism, the New York Post. Droidian, where is the sex addiction drop from?

Speaker 1 Justin, correct me if I'm wrong, is that Jim Harbaugh at the Combine talking to Jameis Winston,

Speaker 1 who had his own grab him by the blank moment while in college? He had a lot of moments in college, which people like to sweep under the rug now,

Speaker 1 and post-college, quite frankly. But yes, that's what it was in reference to, I believe.

Speaker 8 All right, last one. I think we should really dive in on this.

Speaker 2 Justin does not answer the question, but okay.

Speaker 2 I said correct.

Speaker 8 Thoughts on the Luigi arrest? It is my jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, and I know Mark agrees. Like, why shouldn't we get into conspiracies surrounding like very public execution-style murders?

Speaker 1 Yes, of a health health care CEO that was not well regarded for how he treated the

Speaker 1 collective of

Speaker 1 people who needed health care. He was gunned down

Speaker 1 at dawn in New York City last week.

Speaker 2 Kind of a hot like a hot killer from what I've seen. The only thing I'm not tracking this heavily, but like he apparently pulled, was wearing a mask and like a female

Speaker 2 individual, a woman, like like sort of said to him, like, they wanted to talk to him and he pulled his mask down and how they developed it.

Speaker 8 That's how he got caught an hour before the murder happened.

Speaker 8 Are we sold that this is the right guy? That's all I'm saying. Is this really the guy? Do we know that for sure?

Speaker 2 For sure?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 there's a lot of evidence. The question,

Speaker 1 if you're asking this for real,

Speaker 1 is it possible there's more people potentially involved? Yes.

Speaker 1 The first thing that I thought was they probably shouldn't have

Speaker 1 made it public that there's someone at McDonald's that ratted him out because there are millions of people who viewed this guy as

Speaker 1 kind of an anti-hero, as it were.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I don't have a take on this. That guy that got shot obviously is tied to some dirty business.
He's also a father and two young kids. It was a pretty shitty situation.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, the Luigi arrest. My thoughts are, man, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would just say quickly, like, I also have not, I didn't dive into this case yet.

Speaker 1 This is just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 We could just do an hour-long news show.

Speaker 1 Why are you not diving in on this? That feels like the next episode of Rolling Thunder, for Christ's sake.

Speaker 2 It could be. We could just do an hour-long news show.
We just go right into news items, and like no one would care. But like patreon.com slash eat the call.

Speaker 2 I'll learn more, but I do, I just think it's interesting. Like, like hot killers are, like, a kind of a cool thing.

Speaker 1 And if you think about it. That's the second time you've called him hot, Mark.
Can we please?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you know, I don't have a lot of evidence, but that's what

Speaker 1 I'm saying.

Speaker 8 Something similar.

Speaker 1 Very attractive. You know, he's been apprehended, Mark, right?

Speaker 2 Well, no, like, I need to dive in deeper into the case, so I'm not tracking minute-by-minute updates. I don't know the steel beams.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is going to really, you're going to have to stay seated, Mark, when I tell you this. Not only is he hot, as you say, he was also the Val Victorian of his school, his high school.

Speaker 1 So, like,

Speaker 1 he's really catch, Mark. He's he's hot and smart.

Speaker 2 I think he's goal-oriented. You could say that.
He comes up with, he has a mission and he completes it. I don't like the steel beams reference to me, but okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, thank you to everybody for joining us on the live chat. And Connor's going to be back with us for the midweek show.
And yes, we will ask Connor all about

Speaker 1 his past as a magician, as we're being told. Anyway, we're moving to week 15, Mark.
Week 15, the true home stretch of the regular season. And we are just getting warmed up.

Speaker 1 So thank you to everyone both on the chat and for supporting the show. Also, more big announcement around Connor Orr and some holiday goodness.
Also, midweek show. Don't miss it.

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