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I love my brother and I'd lay down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game.

I hear that.

I feel that.

Kevin Danger Hansis, my brother, wherever you are,

I would die for you, but I would not let you beat me in wiffle ball.

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler.

Heeding that call live.

Live

reaction after a 30-23 Ravens victory over the Chargers closing out week 12, a victory that moves the Ravens to 8-4, drops the Chargers to 7-4, and moves John Harbaugh to 3-0 against his little brother, Jim.

That's weird to me.

Mark, that's weird to me that Jim is the younger one.

That's something that I struggle with.

There's been moments where I had to fact-check that, not this evening, but I was like, wait, what?

Because Jim just seems like the older brother to me.

So I'm with you, just in terms of persona and confidence and wackiness.

Can I like admit that as someone who's

covered the league since 2010, which spans the entire Jim Harbaugh history as an NFL coach, I did think he was the older brother until it came up in the show, or maybe I knew in 2013, we were at the Super Bowl and all the madness around that.

But back then, they didn't seem so different.

But Jim definitely has the older look now, and John is one of those guys that annoyingly doesn't age.

And so it's a little more stark now.

So, you know.

I have an odd memory of Wes and I having to go to the Ravens and 49ers coaches,

you know, press conference that they would do.

And it was held at a raucously early hour of the morning.

And, you know, Wes and I had been up until a raucously late hour of the evening.

And so, you know, I don't know if I picked up any facts during that press conference that you might have during that week.

So it might have slided by myself at all that Jim was the younger.

It did strike me in the pregame

conversations with ESBN that Jim Harbaugh does seem like a different dude now.

I mean, the Jim Harbaugh at that press conference you're referring to was so tightly wound that it was almost impossible to

connect that they were brothers because John was kind of so steady and Jim, you could tell, was like so tight going into that Super Bowl.

But, you know, let's get to this game.

Let's talk about this game.

We're going to get also to catch up on some league news after this as we have a live show.

We also have a lot of people in the chat right now, which is pretty cool because it is not early on the East Coast.

It's in the middle of the night overseas.

So, very cool.

Thank you, everybody, for checking in.

This was a game that the Chargers got out to a fast start in.

But you know what, Mark?

It reminded me ultimately of what we watched in the same building last night, where an Eagles team that is very much a real contender in the NFC kind of choked the life out of a Rams team that wants to be seen that way, but isn't quite there.

And I'm not, I don't want to write off the Chargers after this game, but there seemed to be a real difference between these teams once the Ravens started deflects their muscles and the Chargers just having no answers.

It really, I thought, when you try to figure out what is the hierarchy in the NFL of the true contenders right now and and the teams that are below it.

I saw it in this game and there's a separation between these two squads.

Well, that is where the, for me, like the big brother, younger brother, but also like team has been doing this for years on end.

And when you add like a Derrick Henry, it just adds another element to what they already wanted to be versus Jim Harbaugh trying to install this in year one.

And I thought in the first earlier aspects of this game, like the Chargers looked like they have it.

They haven't.

I was like, this might be the night where they kind of deliver themselves on the national stage.

But you're right.

Like, like the Eagles, the Ravens have more skill position players.

Even when Derrick Henry starts slow, it's only a matter of time before he starts to take over a game, wear down a defense.

And the whole Ravens philosophy has been in place for a long time.

And I think it's just interesting the crossover between these two teams and these two coaches because it's the Ravens dealing with, you know,

Greg Roman.

And it's, you know, Jesse Minter, who was John Harbaugh's on John Harbaugh's staff for four years, and now he's on the Chargers.

Like, it kind of feels to me, not to overdo the brother thing, but it's kind of like when you were brothers in that neighborhood.

I don't even know if these neighborhoods exist in many places.

Like, your friends who were kind of friends with both of you would flip-flop and take sides.

And it's like, if you really go and look at a lot of the players, and it's the fact that Jim Harbaugh signed J.K.

Dobbins and Gus Edwards.

I think losing J.K.

Dobbins was a big moment tonight for them as well, because he really set the tone early.

But they want to do it the same way, but one is the master and one is still the learner.

Yeah.

And ironically, it wasn't Derek Henry that put this game away, but Justice Hill, who ran for a 51-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter to really put this game out of reach.

And, you know, this is coming off the Saquon Barkley masterpiece on Sunday night.

A lot of talk about, is he the MVP of the league?

Well, as long as Lamar stays upright and continues to put together games like this, he's not losing the award.

He's going to win a third.

He threw two touchdown passes, ran for a score.

A good stat by ESPN

at the end of the telecast that Lamar Jackson is now 18 and 4 following a loss.

So he's one of those guys.

He just, you know, you can beat them, and certainly they can be beaten in January.

It's happened repeatedly.

And again, the test will come for these Ravens.

And we could talk them up as much as we want now.

But everyone knows this season will be judged as success or failure, not by their regular season record or whether or not they win this division, but if they can get over the hump and get to the Super Bowl with Lamar, which has never happened.

But in the here and now,

the MVP is a regular season award, and Lamar Jackson continues to thrive in big spots

on this team.

You had that side of things for the Ravens, getting the job done, being rugged.

And I thought the biggest play of the game, the moment of the game, and credit, like Jim is like the crazy brother, but

John's a dude.

John Harbaugh is a bad man at head coach.

The Chargers are up 10-7.

Baltimore has the ball at their own 16-yard line, fourth-and-one, two-minute warning, and we'll pull up the fourth-down decision bot.

They recommend to go for it.

It added 2.3% win probability, which is kind of crazy because even five years ago, it would have been just heresy to say that you go for it in that situation and potentially risk giving the shortest of fields to your opponent.

But what do they do?

In a really smart, interesting-looking alignment, Mark Andrews takes the snap.

He gets two yards, gets the first down.

A catch and runs, a run to flowers, takes him to midfield.

Then along Rashad Bateman, touchdown

gives them seven points.

And it's like, there you go.

That's how you play.

That's how you play the game.

you play to win the game so the ravens having that the guts the onions in that spot i think the game was really never the same after that you never really thought that los angeles had a chance at least i didn't No, I think that was

a huge Ravens moment.

It was a John Harbaugh moment.

It was a John Harbaugh Ravens analytics moment.

It was probably like a formation and a play that, again, like he and Jim knew about and had drawn up on napkins and used in various ways at Michigan and here.

But I thought there there was a second huge play too.

There really was in this because the Chargers were hanging around and the second huge play for me was it's 23 to 16 in the fourth quarter.

The Chargers have the ball and they've got a chance to climb back into this.

And you've got a wide open Quentin Johnston and it's a huge drop along the

sidelines.

He would have gone for major yards.

That would have relit the candle for them.

And so then they have to give the ball away.

And that's when the Ravens 51-yard Justin's Hill score turns it to 30 to 16.

And for me, it was like game over, and like Ravens just did what we needed them to do.

I mean, yeah, Lad McConkey is a keeper for the Chargers, but this team is in the same bucket as the Patriots, who I talked about on the Sunday show.

The offseason directive is clear.

Get the quarterbacks and playmakers.

Quentin Johnson, you know, I know he has made some strides this year.

Former first-round pick, he's found the end zone,

but he's got stone hands, that guy, and he's killing this offense and the crowd.

I thought it was actually a pretty good crowd.

The Rams crowd was kind of a disgrace, quite honestly,

with the Eagles filling up that building.

But I know there were Ravens fans at SoFi tonight, but that was a pretty pumped-up Charges crowd, and they gave it to Johnson after the last drop.

I know it was a contested catch, but the last drop.

And Herbert, you know, he really is playing at such a high level, and I don't want to go overboard defending him because people have done that for years.

And ultimately, their offense didn't really get it going.

But it is quite clear that he is, you know, he's moving well.

He's throwing the ball beautifully, but he doesn't have a ton to work with.

The fact that Will Disley, no offense, is such a major part of this offense and that Lad McConkey has to immediately be an impact player in year one, there's just not a lot to work with here.

So I would imagine they're going to be

going to be very active in the offseason to work on that.

Because because you can't.

I see a 32 beat writers tweet.

Ladd is the only guy who should be getting the ball, but you can't.

You can't just

with Sam Darnold.

When he tried doing that, team sniffed it out with Justin Jefferson and he started throwing three interceptions a game.

You have to have balance to your offense.

And like you said, losing the running back is,

you know, especially a running back

like Dobbins, who has had a lot of injuries.

He goes out with a knee injury in the second quarter, and we'll see how serious that is.

They need Dobbins to balance that offense that doesn't a lot of playmakers.

So, you know, the Chargers, I think, are still, to me, Mark,

I don't think a collapse is imminent.

I think the coaching is too good now and the quarterback's too good.

But I think they kind of, for me, slid down a little bit in the pecking order based on this game.

I think it's interesting that you move on from Brandon Staley, who was brought into the Chargers organization because he was a defensive genius on the Vic Fangio tree.

And what you get instead is a defense that collapsed and the most expensive defense in the league.

Now you have Jim Harbaugh, who I think the difference is that multiple offensive coordinators over Justin Herbert and it didn't work.

That was the complaint year after year.

Now you've got Jim Harbaugh openly and it's a bit of gusto and there is some hyperbole.

It's not far off.

He's calling him openly to networks and live television.

This is the toughest quarterback in the league.

Like Herbert's super supported emotionally by someone that understood the position.

And yet also under Jesse Minter, like the Chargers' defense is just, not tonight, because they had not given up over 20 points

all through the entire season until last week against the Bengals, who I believe they shut out in the first half.

Then Burrow goes wild.

Then tonight happens.

So it is a bit of an acid test of like, now you're playing two really good offenses and we'll find out who you really are.

But Jesse Minter, and I think he was a good agent because his name gets mentioned in these broadcasts like 13 or 14 times.

Oh, he's a good sign.

Right, it's obviously it is.

Like, he'll probably just be a head coach.

But it's funny that, like, the post-Brandon Staley defense is better, and suddenly Justin Herbert supported.

So, I do think that they are a playoff team, but you've got to go prove it against some of these other

Hulks.

And that's two weeks in a row they lost to the AFC North.

All right, let's look at the last, yeah, once the Ravens got in gear, I'm looking at after the second quarter,

after halftime, the Ravens field goal, touchdown, touchdown um

feel uh end of game so and they scored a touchdown obviously in their last um possession of uh the second quarter and the previous possession before that so it was touchdown touchdown field goal touchdown touchdown uh punt then uh end of game like

that's who they are and that's that's why again i i felt um the calibration between them and the eagles that there is you know there is a connection here These teams that when they put their foot down on the accelerator, they could even make a good team like the Chargers.

And I think the Rams are, I don't know if the Rams are a good team, but they can be a good team depending on the week, and you can make them look, you know, very, very mortal.

So any other thoughts on this one, bud?

Well, I got pulled away for,

you know, about a quarter watching Owen and Luke Wilson on the Madden cast.

How was that?

Well, I kind of just, I kind of like Owen Wilson a lot, but like he seemed to me, and I'm not saying he was, but like he seemed to me like he had enjoyed a little bit of, you know, tree before the game and was having a nice time.

But like the funniest thing was that, you know, Peyton and Eli are asking, well, Luke played football, and so he knows, you know, a varying amount of like football from a lower level.

But like Peyton and Eli are just teaching masterclasses, and they're asking Owen Wilson about like what kind of route should they run here and what should happen with this play.

And like, Owen's like, wow.

hi if you didn't know

but i just enjoyed it like i gotta own that that was that was well i don't know he explained that he's changed that affectation at this point but all right let's let's take let's take a break and hold that thought on the manicast because we have something from the manicast coming up uh out of the break and uh again let's just check in on this comment section throw up a couple comments here uh justin

Motel Ghost, Mark, the Chargers beat the Bengals, so they didn't lose two in a row to the AFC North.

So isn't it very unbrad for our producer to put a correction as the first comment from the live stream?

And like, that's live television, but this is also Justin throughout the game where he's all just the updates you get from Justin are like, I'm in third place in my fantasy league.

Like, it's like, I'm an adult.

I have zero interest in what's happening with your vicarious parlor game.

I try to be cool about that.

Yeah, you do.

I've had a couple bad beats in fantasy, and then we have to go and do this Fakakta show and it's just like god damn it i just want to get away from football but at the same time it's like you know it's our first live stream and we got we got justin you know shaking his hand at the sky because he didn't he didn't place

that's the first ever comment ever put up on our heath the call live stream can't take it back

mike fenn hair looking vicious tonight zuser all right now that's a good comment see he's gonna play up to you because like he understands how this it's like oh stop it don't do that danger now you're trying to take me.

I didn't do anything wrong.

If you have an issue with our producer, don't make me complicit in his behavior because he, you know what I mean?

It's like, Corvette mode, Mark needs an ASMR channel.

I'm sure he does, guys.

I think I like that.

I don't know what's going on with Sessler in Hollywood.

I guarantee you he has some type of channel.

that you could find.

Maybe an OnlyFans.

Just seek it out.

Let's take a break.

I don't have that.

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Let's hit some news.

I can feel, I can relate with Owen Wilson.

I was listening earlier.

You know, Urban Meyer asked him, do I know you?

And Urban and Meyer was coaching the Titans, he was coaching the Jaguars, and he actually said the same thing to me.

I said, Yeah, I'm the head coach for the Titans, and I worked for you for two years.

Nobody, I mean, Urban Meyer, man.

Somebody should do a documentary, and I hope they do.

Whether maybe Simmons with HBO or a 30 for 30 on Urban Meyer in the NFL and just, what a goober.

He didn't know who Mike Rabel was?

He's in his division.

He was on his staff for two years.

I think he implied after that comment that that's how he introduces himself to almost everyone, but that in itself is insane.

I mean, it just adds a chapter to the madness of this individual.

It's a major la ravile magnifico.

Yeah, but it's like one of, it's like the 1,000th la revile.

Right.

But when you're ready to.

I'm going to go kick my kicker during pregame.

It's like, maybe you are in the long,

you should not be in this line of work, potentially.

Yeah.

Perhaps.

Keeps getting TV jobs over and over, though.

He does.

He does.

All right.

Let's do some news.

Let's start with my beloved New York Jets.

There has been some depreciation on the love front market, in all honesty.

Like now, when that tweet came out earlier today that, you know, because the Jets have hired the 33rd team, and that's Tannenbaum.

We like Mike Tannenbaum, who's been on our show a bunch of of times.

Former Jets GM now has his own website,

you know, football analytics and

in general, kind of pop the hood coverage of the league from a lot of different angles.

They had put out, like, here are the best candidates

for GM for the Jets.

And then a day later, it's announced that the Jets had hired the 33rd team.

And then you have the tweet, Justin?

The 33rd team has to then send out a tweet

that this wasn't an official list, unfortunate timing, but something we had written before the partnership and search began.

We've taken it down to avoid further confusion.

Like, the old Dan would have been like super pissed about it with the Jets.

This Dan is kind of like, the Jets are absolutely comedy.

And it's just like, we were on the break.

Yeah, it's like, come on, guys.

Can we clean it up just a little bit?

And the fact that it's Tanenbaum, and I know he had success with the Jets, which is crazy, but they went to the playoffs like three times with him as the GM.

But you're now hiring

a guy who you've fired from the GM position to pick your GM.

It just seems very.

If this ends with Rex Ryan,

the head coach of the Jets, I am walking into the Atlantic Ocean.

I'm walking across country and then into the Atlantic, right where the Titanic sank, which was not the Arctic Ocean, Justin.

The thing to me

is like, yes, Justin?

I had nothing to say.

Now Mark has addressed me, so I have to talk, but I just wanted to shake my head at the Arctic Ocean comment.

Sorry.

Okay, you could come in and do a head shake and then go out.

I kind of like that.

Yeah, that was my plan until Mark said, yes, Justin.

All right, let's try it again.

Let's try it again.

We're live streaming here.

We're live.

You know, I'll walk into the Atlantic Ocean, not the Arctic Ocean, Justin.

That was good.

See, that was way better.

That worked better.

And if you're listening

on an audio device, please check us out at youtube.com slash heed the call pod.

Anyway, so yeah, so just like that just seemed a little sloppy.

It seems a little weird, but at the same time,

I think Tanenbaum, Mr.

T, is a sharp guy, and maybe, just maybe,

they identify the right coach in GM.

He's doing it not alone.

He's also with Vikings general manager Rick Spielman.

They will lead the project for the NFL Technology and Media Company.

That's what 33rd Team is.

My issue is not with Mike Tenenbaum.

I mean, it's with like the Jets realizing that they're in a constant PR war.

And so if you're going to go name,

and again, it comes down to ownership, you know, Woody and Chris.

And if you're going to go name Mike Tenenbaum, your search leader, like, do we not understand what message boards and commentary and PFT and us and everyone else is going to, we're going to revolve around certain aspects of it that are just like, wait a minute, what?

This is after all of this, this is what you've done?

I have a counter to that, that

optics matter too much to the Jets.

So it's like...

That doesn't mean they get them right.

Maybe it's a positive that they knew that this would be seen as perhaps backwards and strange.

And the fact that they didn't care that it would lead to more mocking and derision means that

they have seen the light.

And now that Woody Johnson has been properly shamed by great reporting from the athletic as a buffoon, as an owner, perhaps he will recede from the spotlight and let football people make decisions.

And maybe in five years, Mark, the Jets are the new Detroit Lions.

I'm all the way back, baby.

Well, there's one thing.

List one thing.

Whenever something happens in the NFL where everyone just roundly agrees that it's a disaster, still it could be, but sometimes it's like, actually, we're going to get this right.

That said, the idea that they are like not open,

we realized that Woody Johnson was very open and

affected by optics on our previous show.

And so,

you know, but like, I would just say in general, like, I want to, I'd like to do a study and I'm going to start to do this study.

These teams, these sort of wanting teams that hire like the corn ferry and the search committees and stuff, like, I want to see a percentage of when they get the right guy.

I wonder just how big the circle is.

If you're an old NFL dude, do you just go hire your old friends?

Because that's not unusual with all of these hires.

Are you saying the circle is actually a circle jerk?

Is that what you're saying?

Ultimately, that's sort of what I'm saying.

Yeah.

I hear you.

And meanwhile, there's another flaming dumpster in the parking lot of the Meadowlands MetLife Stadium.

It's the New York Giants.

Brian Dable, who's in his own death rows right now.

And, you know, we see it every year.

The coach who knows he's done for.

And make no mistake, Brian Dayball ain't coming back.

You could float any reporting you want out there that the Giants are bringing him back.

He ain't surviving this month.

Like, he'll survive this month, but he is already, he's cooked like a Thanksgiving turkey in terms of his future.

He will be an offensive coordinator somewhere next year.

He did

media availability today, and here's an example of when you're truly cooked like the turkey.

This is how things start to get between the reporters that smell blood and the head coach who is sinking faster than the Titanic in the Atlantic Ocean.

Justin.

First of all,

do you have any update on how Tommy's doing today?

I don't.

Sorry.

I don't have any update on any of these guys yet.

You expect him to be able to play on Thursday at this point?

Yeah, I got to.

Obviously, I got to talk to the training staff.

I'm hopeful,

but I don't know.

I haven't talked to the training staff.

It's three days before the game.

You didn't check in on your quarterback?

I have not talked to the training staff yet.

So wait until they give me the update and we'll see where we're at.

But I'm anticipating he'll be ready to go.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The demeanor, the facial demeanor.

When the reporters are openly like, hey, you're lying to us, right?

You don't have to lie to us.

Why don't you just give us some information, Jack, before you're out the door in a month?

Tough, Tough.

Tough spot for Dable.

And speaking of

Giants quarterbacks, Daniel Jones has cleared waivers.

Not a surprise given his salary.

So now he is free to sign with any team.

Rap sheet, we're going to get to rap sheet in a couple of minutes, reported that Jones is, quote, not expected to make an immediate decision.

Which, all right, that's fine.

I was a little surprised with some of the discourse around Danny Dimes.

Obviously, people are dunking on the Giants how they've handled it, and that's cool, and they deserve it right now.

But the idea that this is somehow impactful to the NFL, like where Daniel Jones ends up,

I don't see a path where Danny Dimes takes meaningful snaps for a team that matters.

And if he signs with a contender and is in the background, that's, I guess, good for him in certain ways.

But I kind of see it as a non-story, is, I guess, the long way to say it.

I don't care where Daniel Jones ends up.

Flash cut to him playing in the Super Bowl, but like, that's where my feeling is.

It seems like not a compelling story.

Like, where will Daniel Jones wind up after his release from the Giants?

I don't really care.

Well, when I read from, you know, Rapsheet, is not expected to make an immediate decision, all that tells me is there is not an immediate desire for him to make an immediate decision by anyone.

I mean, if you look up and down the league, unlike some other years at this time, there really aren't that many options.

There was some whispers that he wasn't wasn't interested in going to the Raiders particularly, but I would even say maybe the Titans, but they've got their quarterback to look at right now.

So it's like, what do you go interrupt?

What do you interrupt if you bring in Daniel Jones?

He'd be one of the best backups, though, if you wanted to secure him for...

Really?

Is that even true?

I think so.

Now he'd be one of the best backups.

Everyone was basically saying he's the worst quarterback in the league.

I do think he'd be.

I think starting experience alone makes me like a backup quarterback.

And he's got a lot to like, but he's got a lot to not like.

I'm not totally writing off Daniel Jones as

an

individual who could be a player in the league in the right situation, like

a Baker, like a Darnold.

But I think he needs a fresh start.

And I don't think diving into the fray with a team in December is probably going to be when you see the rise of dimes.

I just, it would surprise me, put it that way.

The Giants should bring him back.

Should sign him to a bigger contract.

Yeah.

That would be funny.

All right.

In other news, I was tasked with the coverage of Vikings Bears yesterday.

It was a great game, back and forth game, wild ending.

There was a play in the game when Jordan Addison caught a ball down by the sideline,

made a man miss, and then

scattered 70 yards nearly down the sideline, and then it was challenged by Chicago.

did he step out of bounds and

then that led to

a review of the camera footage and then it turns out that the

boundary camera that gave you the definitive look that he did stay in bounds and he was it was upheld that he was given the full 69 yard gain but that was not allowed to be used

in throw out that prayer tweet so people could see the play

you were They were not allowed to use that because not every stadium has this camera, which is just bonkers to me.

And then

apparently, there's only five

locations that don't have the boundary cameras.

Still missing the 12 end line, go-line, and sideline cameras are New York, of course.

I mean, how could anything with the Jets and Jets?

That's not a stunner to us.

Be done well this year.

LA, what are we doing?

Chargers and Rams.

So So there's four teams, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, and Miami.

So there are, you know, two, four,

and two, two of us teams.

Four, four, plus three, seven.

Seven teams don't have the boundary cam, but they're going to work up.

They're efforting to have those cameras set up.

That just was like hearing Mike Pereir explain it.

It's like one of those things where it's like, this is a bad look league.

Let's clean it up.

And I just want everybody to know that we should have boundary cameras, but it took the NFL's operations basically being trashed on social media on Sunday to make it happen, it appears.

It feels like every week we get some new wrinkle from behind league walls that reveals something that's not been run well, but we've got to all, then we're like forced to kind of even wrap our heads around it, like unfurling these video cameras on a rolling, you know, like a rolling admission for college almost.

Like we'll find out if you get in or not.

But it's like, I think some of it wasn't meant to be installed until next year, but I can only imagine when they asked Mike Pereira, like

maybe Mike Pereira is an all-seen sort of deity and he knew the answer, but like I would be seeing him call someone and be like, why aren't these here?

Like, what the hell is going on here?

But, you know, not like they'll come in time, but this feels like a slight disaster.

Another PR disaster.

That seems to be the theme of the show.

Injury news coming out of week 12.

We mentioned Gardner Minshew out for the season with a broken collarbone.

Antonio Pierce said Monday that Aiden O'Connell is trending toward a return.

Wow, pinch me.

They'll evaluate later in the week to see if he's ready.

If not, Desmond Ritter will start for the Raiders, Yikes, the Raiders who are on a seven-game losing streak.

Bad news for Brandon Graham.

It didn't look good based on how he was conversing with teammates.

At the end of the blowout, win over the Rams, and sure enough, he is out for the year season-ending triceps injury.

So Graham will not be along with the Eagles as they look to get back to the Super Bowl.

Jaguars coach Doug Peterson told reporters that Trevor Lawrence will practice Monday, and and the team will make a decision later in the week about his availability.

Lawrence has missed the last two weeks with an AC joint injury in his left shoulder.

The Colts, wide receiver Josh Downs, who left Sunday's game with a shoulder injury, week to week, considered a long shot to play against the Patriots.

Rapsheet says it is not a major injury, but one that could keep him out.

Texan safety Jalen Petrie is expected to miss multiple weeks with a partial pectoral tear suffered Sunday.

Pell Raiser reported no surgery needed right now, or they don't believe.

Buck safety Jordan Whitehead feared to have torn his pec.

That would end a season if it's the case.

Rapsheet said he's getting an MRI to confirm the diagnosis.

And the latest from the 49ers injury wagon, the team will open linebacker Drake Greenlaw's practice window to return from his Achilles tear this week.

Remember, Greenlaw in the Super Bowl.

Running off the, you know, he was standing on the sideline and then as he was running to take the field after a change of position, blew his Achilles last year.

Unbelievable.

He will open his practice window to return.

I think they have three weeks once they open that practice window to either activate or shut him down.

And Brock Purdy did some, quote, light throwing Monday.

Everything went well.

Well, at least something's going well for the.

Man, that was a long, that's a long list of maladies.

I think the Brandon Graham one is most impactful.

Like, you know, we talked last night how deep they are all over the place.

He's sort of a spiritual leader of that team.

They don't have a lot of pass rushers.

And so, you know, Bryce Huff is on IR.

So

that's the one position group that's kind of not gone according to plan.

And he's, you know, he is going on to his fifth decade not too long from now and was playing great.

So I would like to see how the Eagles handle that.

As for Trevor Lawrence, why?

Why for anyone else?

I mean, he's a professional football player and he ended last season on injured reserve and like he wants to play.

It's more like a mark take to

play and see why he needs to do it.

It's like the coach is going to be gone.

Whoever wants to go there doesn't want to find out that he gets some sort of knee injury, like in late December, and then that new coach has to deal with it.

It's just a thing, like when you're paying a guy, like $40 million, you would like him to play.

I think it's under

Daniel Jones for the cons.

I'm going to fly up

a message here from our chat.

Good job, everybody, by the way.

And thank you again.

Graver needs more screen time.

Graver, there you go.

The people have spoken.

I'm bringing you

time.

What's that, Mark?

Unless that's Graver with some sort of second Graver account, you know,

feeding our feed with his own tweets.

You see what he thinks of you, Justin?

No, I'll take the foot off the gas, but I mean, it's just like, you know, please.

I think that's an intelligent person who knows who's running the chat and wants to see their comment put on screen, like, you know, cater to the right person.

Oh, it's Machiavelli and i went it yes okay but um but yeah anyway

it is time for another zeuser media minute

ah yeah

see that's that what makes this show different is the

the yin the yang the highs the lows the what have yous

And our ability to both be a part of the media and then step back and cover it from a different angle.

With that said, I want to play something that

struck a chord with me, put it that way, Mark, on

NFL Network after the news around Mike Mullarkey duping Ian Rappaport

with a fake scoop back when he was the Titans head coach, soon to be fired.

Let's play that.

And this is about two minutes long, but I think it helps set the table for our conversation, Mark.

So maybe it's the Zeuser media minutes, but let's get to it.

After the 2017 season,

in the 2018 playoffs, I reported a couple different times the Titans were expected to fire Mike Malarkey.

And then I got a tip from a very trusted and reliable source that he was actually getting a contract extension after a playoff run.

I reported it.

He was fired the next day.

It has been one of the biggest mysteries of my entire career.

And now it has been solved.

Go.

I knew they were going to fire me.

So Sunday night I called Ian Rapapore and I said, hey, I don't know if you know this, but I'm going to break it to you.

But

I'm getting a new contract in the morning.

And

he reported that it was all over the country.

I was getting a contract in the morning,

knowing that I was going to get fired.

But I just wanted to see the faces on the owner and the GM who was out to get me.

And I'm pretty sure I got him for a minute or two.

That's amazing.

That is awesome.

That's amazing.

That was the Brendan Austin show on Action Sports.

Those guys yucking it up.

Pretty funny for them, I guess, if you don't care about accuracy and taking someone's reputation and rubbing it in the mud.

Everyone said Mike Mullarkey's a good guy.

He always was to me.

I liked him.

Thought it was very respectable.

That is not cool.

That's not funny.

I was a younger reporter then, and the amount of online hate and ridicule I got because Mike Mullarkey thought it'd be funny to get back at his old boss,

It was not fun.

So I don't have much to say.

I don't blame Mike Mullarkey,

but I want to.

And that was not cool, and that was not funny.

And we should treat truth better than that.

Mike?

I agree with you.

I also think that Ian has learned lessons along.

We've all learned lessons along the way, but modern-day Ian would not have been a fallen victim to that.

You learn hard lessons along the way.

That was one of them.

Yeah, not cool.

I get it.

Supposed to to be a trusted source.

See, I'm sitting here and I'm like biting my lip because you're right.

Not cool.

Don't do that.

Don't lie to reporters.

Don't make them look bad.

But it happened to Ian.

So like it's a little funny.

It's one of those things like we got enough distance now.

It's been like six years.

Like it's tiny, tiny funny.

All right.

So I have a few problems with this whole saga, Mark.

One, Mike Malarkey, I mean, bro, f ⁇ off, you know?

Like, he threw a young reporter under the bus for no other reason than to get his kicks against an employer who he knew was about to fire him.

And to me, like, it speaks to the overinflated egos of

in the coaching ranks of football.

We mentioned Urban Meyer, so, you know, tying it all together.

There are a bunch of Bud Kimballs who see themselves as the center of the universe.

And it's just like, it's...

That to me, I was like, okay.

So I had an issue with that.

And

that was a major issue that Ian had to deal with.

And it sucked when it happened.

And I'm guessing it sucked this last week when Malarkey did that show.

And people are trashing Ian for not source checking and not having a real job or all this kind of BS for a guy that it is, that is a hard job that he has.

And it's one where you have to put your whole life into it.

And you're messing with his reputation, the way you handle that.

But the final part, Mark, that bothered me.

The bigger issue, the biggest issue for me was the reaction from Ian's own team,

specifically the way Pellisero tagged what was a quite sincere Ian moment there by, you know, kind of smirking through the whole thing.

And listen, like, I get it.

I get it.

Like,

there's a way to kind of be a dick in a fun way or just be a dick to be a dick.

And I could tell that that was the latter.

And I don't know what the vibe over there is, but but

it did remind me with what we do.

Home team, what I say with my family, like home team, you support your home team.

If Mike Mullarkey duped you, Mark, and I know you wouldn't get duped by Mike Mullarkey.

And certainly I wouldn't do it because I triple source.

But

I would absolutely bury Mike Mullarkey on that show.

And the fact that, you know, Pellicero is getting his kicks

against Ian didn't sit right with me.

And I, and I know, like, we work there.

I don't know, like, it's so competitive that I don't know where the loyalties lie sometimes is interesting to me.

But I don't know.

Like, if that would have happened to one of us, I know we would have had each other's back.

And I hated that.

that and Ian I'll say this is like Ian and I go way back we came up in the business together when we were 22 years old and not that Ian and I are close friends but I just I thought the whole thing was kind of shitty and I didn't think it reminded me of some of the dark things about NFL media and like,

you know, where your friends are and who are your friends and who are actually just people that are your competitors that you think are your friends.

And just a rough one.

Yeah, like there, there were, like, I can think of so many

menses in that newsroom that we worked with for a long time.

Like, you know, people that did have our backs in situations.

But then when you leave, you kind of find out,

you find out a lot.

Let's put it that way.

I'd start there.

But I'm with you in the sense that, like, for me, Mike G, what Mike G said was more instructive to the people forced to be watching this show to begin with.

Like, what I don't even, this is like, go have this conversation at a bar.

We don't all need to be watching that.

But Mike G responded, I thought, to Ian's, Ian, it mattered to Ian.

And Ian,

he takes his job very seriously.

And he gets like 90.

a large, vast majority of what he does right.

And Mike G was packing that into all that and how we grow is in what we do.

And I guess that was like the little quip at the end.

But like, we don't, this is this is not a laugh factory for us or the viewer.

It's kind of like, let's get through this to whatever the next show on this station is.

But like,

I'm with you.

I see where you're coming from.

And I kind of just like, we were on, not often, but we were on some of those shows.

And like, you, you know, you become a bit of a different character sometimes, like, versus who I'd really want to be.

And that's what I don't miss.

I think I'd rather be myself and be real as much as I can.

I also think that Mike Mullarkey's comment kind of could have sat there with no response by anyone because he comes across looking like a complete doofus.

So it's like we would have, he spoke for himself, you know?

Yes, yes.

And we, yeah, so it just, for whatever, for whatever reason, it did strike a chord because of our proximity to that world and the summer that we had.

But like, yeah, have the back of your team.

Like, I don't know.

Maybe I grew up in the part of the country where everyone saw Godfather too many times.

It's like, you never go against the family.

You got to support your guys.

And that's why I love you.

Well, vice versa.

Yeah.

I think that's what he said in Ghost, you know.

Ghost the CBS sitcom?

No.

The actual film where, you know.

Oh, he said, oh, the Swayze character.

Yeah, like, I think, you know, she says, I love you, and he said vice versa.

Because he can't say that.

He said Ditto.

Ditto.

Oh, Ditto.

Well, leave it to me to get the.

Maybe vice versa would have been better, though.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I feel Ditto is pretty good.

Let's check in with the

chat before we say goodbye.

Good ep.

Good ep of the media minute.

I thought so, too.

It was a, you know,

pertinent.

Yeah.

Britney Spear.

Not Britney Spears.

Okay.

But it'd be interesting.

It'd be incredible to learn that the pop star, Britney Spears, was an every episode viewer of Heath the Call.

Dan and Mark do look better than they ever have.

Thank you.

These are our revenge bodies.

That's also from Justin.

Corvette mode.

My wife said Mark needs to undo another button.

Should I be concerned?

Absolutely.

You should be concerned.

Colton Ketter.

I showed my wife the gravy bow drop today and she instantly hated it.

Well,

it has that effect on women.

One more.

Mario Bereleza.

See that man.

That's a guy that understands.

You know, never go against the family.

That's right.

The helmet's spinning extra fast this week because the Titans won.

It does.

And again, people want to

say that it's impossible that it could be running on magnets, but I have on a good authority it does.

And it is moving.

It moves faster when the Titans win.

There's no doubt in my mind.

Funny, I had to re-spin it today because I accidentally bumped my shelf back there.

Don't...

No.

You had it.

No, you had it.

All you have to do is not say anything about the helmet because it's its own thing.

It has its own

force of gravity, like its gravitational pull.

It's iconic.

So when you say things like, I bumped into my desk and it knocked it off the magnet, it no longer feels special.

And if this wasn't a live show, I'd demand that we scrub it from the show, but now it's in the show.

I can cut it from the audio podcast.

I just said that to say like maybe it actually is, there's a chance spinning faster than a typical than usual.

I don't know.

All right.

Good stuff.

And that was our science moment.

Exactly.

Thank you to everybody who checked in on the live stream.

And we're going to, depending on

how things go, but I thought this went well.

We'll continue to work this in, certainly for the primetime games and maybe depending on if we feel like we have the band wherewith to pull it off, maybe even the Sunday night show, which would be nice to kind of get...

get up to you guys in the moment.

So thank you to everyone

for the support.

We love you.

And speaking of which, Mark, you want to shout out the Patronis, didn't you?

Oh, well, yeah, our Patreon, which has a whole different world going on, a whole different universe.

We've got the Rolling Thunder podcast that I do with Jason Zummott.

You got your incredible show, Dan.

Yes, do you know the name of it?

Of course I do.

I want you to say it.

I want you to say it.

Are you referring to

Music Mania?

with no it's not yes it's music mania with you and Bob so we've got music mania going on

We've got our Friday draft shows.

Throwback podcast, Marcus.

Throwback.

I literally was just throwing it.

I've only done 170 episodes.

All right, next time, heed the call.

All right, bye.

I love you, Molly.

I've always loved you.

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