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Friday night football.

It's a thing now in the NFL.

The first ever game in the southern hemisphere for the NFL.

A close one.

The Philadelphia Eagles take out the Green Bay Packers 34 to 29, a game that will be remembered for two things, I think, primarily.

Saquon Barkley's Eagles debut going off like gangbusters, three touchdowns and over 100 yards of total offense.

And yes, Packers quarterback Jordan Love injured in the final seconds of the game.

It did not look good.

He finishes the game on the sideline in a lot of pain.

And now we wait to find out what happens next.

Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler.

Heed the call.

Friday night.

Let's get crazy.

Mark,

as we tape this, the Packers season hangs in the balance.

It's as simple as that.

Yeah, because if you're having to turn to Malik Willis, you've got big problems, very big problems.

And,

you know, it is a game where you're wondering about how they got into that situation at the end.

They're down by five, and you've got seconds to try to pull off something, and Jordan Love goes down with the injury.

You'd look back, and you'd say

they missed a field goal in that game.

There was a critical two-point conversion they didn't convert.

That would have had the game tied.

You know, this game to me felt for so much of it like it was being played in a different hemisphere.

And it felt like both teams were sloppy, trying to figure it out, trying to get out of their own way, because whether it was Jalen Horts or Jordan Love, there were 31 incompletions in this game.

It was not the crystal clean version of Love in the Packers offense we saw at the end of last year when they put 48 on the Cowboys.

And it really wasn't the version of the Eagles that we've seen in the past.

And it raised as many questions for me about both teams on various levels as it did answers.

And yet the final moments of it to watch Jordan Love taken down, which, you know, it looked, we'll find out, it looked like an ankle, maybe high ankle sprain.

A lot of doctors were sort of suggesting that was possibly it.

It's just, it's just, it shakes everything you think about that division, that team, if you lose them for any significant amount of time.

And, you know, at the LaFleur at the end of it, we can listen to it.

He didn't know what happened yet.

And that's got to be like, now you got to fly home from Brazil with this hanging over it.

And I don't think they wanted to go to Brazil to begin with.

And this is the last thing you wanted to happen.

All right, let's listen to Matt LaFleur, who spoke to the media minutes after the game ended.

It was definitely a sloppy game, I think, from us.

I think there was, you know, some uncharacteristic things that

we did

as a staff, quite frankly, and that trickled down to our players.

And so ultimately, we all got to look ourselves hard in the mirror and find ways to get better because tonight obviously wasn't good enough.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Those two I don't knows were questions about Jordan Love.

And

yeah, I mean, listen, the NFL is going to NFL.

And that includes trying to push this brand and make it truly global and try to dominate the sports world the way it dominates America.

But tell that to the Packers who, you know, went on this long journey to another hemisphere and now have a 10 or 11-hour flight with their quarterback

in potentially bad shape with his left leg.

I saw a lot of stuff on Twitter, all those Twitter, ridiculous Twitter doctors out there.

Could be an MCL.

It could be even a leg bone.

It could be the high ankle.

So it could be any number of things.

But obviously,

to be in the situation where now you have to fly across the world to even begin the process of better understanding what's going on with Love.

And I said it on the preview episode that the Packers were way too vulnerable behind Jordan Love.

And as a Jets fan who watched

my team turn to Zach Wilson, who was obviously a bust even before last year, and he was their first line of defense after Aaron Rodgers went down.

That's how I feel right now.

Like Malik Willis, and you can't get on Malik Willis for the game ending the way it did because who can step in in that moment with two plays?

He doesn't even get the Hail Mary off.

But this guy and Gravedigger, I mean, not to do, I don't even think we need to do a deep dive on Malik Willis because I think if this turns out to be a serious injury for Love, Malik Willis is not going to be their guy.

They just signed him, which is part of the reason I was so surprised and why I brought it up on Thursday that they would go into a season with this guy that has been a terrible player whenever he's been on the field in the NFL.

And he's not even, he doesn't even have a grasp of the playbook.

In some ways, it's even worse than the Zach Wilson situation last year.

So

those are the stakes right now for the Packers.

And

the stakes are high.

And like I said, the season is on the line.

And even before Mark

Love went out of the game, it was not a very good Jordan Love game.

You kind of expected him to pick up right where he left off.

He obviously signed that four-year, $220 million contract extension this summer.

The defense for the Packers obviously didn't play well in this game, and I didn't think the offense was very sharp either overall.

No, I mean, I thought, you know, coming out at halftime, one thing that struck me about Green Bay, because they're so young, that Emmanuel Wilson, a second-year player, Jaden Reed, who was the big play machine early on and really the bright spot in the first two quarters, and Romeo Dobbs, a third-year player, these guys accounted for 178 of 204 yards that they put up.

And it's like, you kind of thought, like, if they can put it together, this is what the Packers are, this young team on offense that has so many different weapons.

But Love was, he had 17 incompletions.

He had a number of turnover-worthy plays.

And, you know,

same with, it's absolutely true of Jalen Hurts as well.

Everyone looked a little rusty and I thought you know one of the biggest stories of the game was the field because before Saquon Barkley got going the first play of the night for him on the ground is he slips on a five-yard loss and you know there's an interception by Jalen Hurts later Christian Watson had issues with the field on Tavian Witz Emmanuel Wilson all of them at one point like a ref went down and they they had to like take it take a sock off and look at his leg and even on that final play for Malik Willis the field was part of it and I think the field was part of it to some degree when you're Jordan Love getting taken down.

It's like there was a lack of confidence for these players, and it certainly played a, both defenses struggled and missed tackles.

And I think the field, which they were complaining about beforehand, was a major issue.

And like, you can't play an NFL game in these kinds of conditions.

It absolutely directed, it absolutely impacted the result tonight.

Yeah, I don't know if the turf played a factor in Love getting rolled up there.

It could have, but there were numerous plays around Love slipping in the game, and he was dealing with tightness in his calves throughout the game.

You don't know if that's connected.

And again, the NFL.

The NFL is going to NFL, and it's going to want to get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

But this is not the first time we've been watching these international games, and there's been issues with the turf.

And

if we care about safety, we got to make sure this turf is right.

And if you're the Eagles, like, yeah, not only was the turf bad here,

the last time, you know, we played a Super Bowl and the turf was bad.

It's like, we got to get off bad turf.

The Eagles here.

Let's talk about the Eagles a little bit.

Because

Jalen Hurts was kind of mystifying in this game.

He

had some big-time plays, some big time throws.

He was attacking downfield in a way that they didn't attack downfield enough last year.

In fact, this is a good stat from Michael F.

Florio that last year,

Hurts was at 6.8 air yards per attempt, which was down from 2022, where he he was 8.4 air yards per attempt.

Tonight, he was back to eight.

They were attacking downfield, but that also led to some of the mistakes.

He had some terrible

judgment failures in this game.

One, a late and over-the-middle throw for an interception.

He had another

near-pick six that immediately was followed by

another interception when they could have taken the points and been up eight in the fourth quarter.

But I'll say this about Hurts and the Eagles in general.

They were up and down at times on offense, but

they took over possession with 7.56 to play in the fourth quarter after the Packers kick a field goal to get it within two.

And by the time the Packers get the ball back, it's pretty much over.

And there were some big plays in that final drive possession for Philly.

None bigger than the second and eight with 2.10 to play.

Hurts to Devontae Smith, who is such an underrated player on this team.

He is always there for them, such a steady contributor.

When they could have run it there, Mark, and kicked the field goal and then been holding on for dear life in the final possession of the game instead by attacking there, even though they didn't get the touchdown at the end there.

I like that they threw the ball there and kept the faith in Hurts despite some of his up and down aspects of his play in this game.

Yeah, that was the drive I waited to see from the Eagles tonight.

You eat up almost eight minutes, and that was the drive that also unleashed Jalen Hurts on the ground.

He was just not a factor on the ground early on.

And it seems to me with Kellen Moore, and maybe this changes, there are not a lot of design runs like we've seen in the past.

That was not a factor.

And for me, also, you know, that drive also, you got the attempted tush-push at the end.

That did not go well two of three times tonight.

And I think the Cam Juergens at center,

there was a misconnection between Hurts and Cam Juergens early on that caused that fumble.

And it's like right away in a post-Jason Kelsey world, you see that this line is different.

The way that they can attack is different.

And it's going to take some time.

But you could look at Kellen Moore and say,

for Saquon Barkley, Kellen Moore is going to make the most of him.

He's never been in a situation like this, in an offense like this.

So there were a lot of positives, and there were some big plays, but there were moments where Jalen Hurts just looked to me to be making the wrong decision and like degressing from where he had been in previous times in his career.

And it is a new offense, and it's going to take time.

But that drive, that was a positive just to finally basically squeeze the life out of your opponent.

But there were just just too many hot and cold moments for both sides of the ball for Philadelphia, Dan.

Now, it's week one, right?

So I am with you, and the Eagles' defense obviously cratered down the stretch last season, and that was the biggest reason why

their season crumbled the way it did.

Not the only reason, but I think the biggest reason.

They give up over 400 yards of offense in this game in a game where, as we talked about, you know, Jordan Love was not playing at a high level by his standards.

So, yeah, the Eagles' defense still has a lot to prove.

Vic Fangio is in the building, but we'll see if he's going to be able to do what he needs to do to get this defense back up to at least a middle-of-the-road level.

I want to point out somebody on that defense that deserves a lot of credit.

And we were talking about the fan confidence rating,

and it was the Saints fans who are the least confident of any fan base in America, according to the Athletic.

Zach Bond is a linebacker who kind of languished there in New Orleans for four years, and the Eagles pick him up quietly.

They find a different type of role for him.

And in this game, Bond ends it with a sack of Malik Willis to clinch the game.

He finished with 15 tackles, two sacks, two QB hits.

So, more reasons for Saints fans to be salty.

And if Saints fans are salty, think how New York Giants fans are feeling when they wake up in the morning.

This was a quote from John Mara,

who is obviously the owner of the Giants on hard knocks this summer, Mark.

I'll have a tough time sleeping if Saquon goes to Philadelphia.

I'll tell you that.

He has gone to Philadelphia, Mark, and Saquon Barkley looked as fast and elusive and dangerous, and he looked like an end zone fiend.

And it reminds me why maybe we should have been talking about this move more.

It's always easier in hindsight.

But when you take someone, Bill Barnwell pointed this out on Twitter tonight.

He was on the offense, played behind the offensive line with the worst expected rushing yards average in the league.

And he moved to an offensive line, even with Jason Kelsey gone that has the best expected rushing yards line,

rushing yards rate in the league.

And you saw what you, if you combine those two things, this guy could win the rushing title with this team and absolutely be a huge difference maker.

And we saw it tonight.

He was dominant for stretches.

I thought it was really promising to see how they used him and how he looked physically.

The 18-yard touchdown catch he made in the end zone was beautiful.

Then there was, for me, the run of the night was after Braden Narvison missed that field goal, which was just critical.

And Philadelphia is up 31-26.

That was rough for the Packers.

And then Saquon rips up the gut with that 34-yard blast.

And it's like, we're looking at the Saquon of two years ago and you know, deeper on into his youth when he just looked so explosive.

And I think what you're going to get more is like, it used to be, I always thought Saquon was a bit of a boom and bust guy where like a bunch of kind of like two-yard runs and then he'd blast you for 60.

And it's like his box score would always be a little bit of a mystifying element to me.

I think they're going to use him in so different ways.

They had him split out wide tonight.

He had that touchdown catch.

It's like, I just think that that's why you can look at both teams and what if you're if Jordan Love is healthy.

But the Eagles, it's like, cool, you got out of here with a win.

I didn't need it to be perfect tonight, but there are some things to point to and say, there's, I think, both, they have a lot to prove to themselves in their next outing.

And it starts with the offensive line, it has to do with Jordan Love, with Jalen Hurts' decision-making.

But there were moments that make me feel like some of the issues that they had down the stretch last year where you lost complete confidence in this team.

They addressed some of that.

Like, I thought A.J.

Brown also just looked, he looked like himself as well.

So, there's a good to take from it, but Saquon's at the heart of it.

Yeah.

Yes, Mr.

Gravedigger.

I just want to throw in something about Jalen Hurts.

I felt like,

first of all, I think Kellen Moore called a really good game, and like the plays that didn't really work for the Eagles were a lot of the times I feel like Jalen Hurts making the wrong read or making a bad decision.

The designed run stuff, they tried it a lot.

I think at one point he had like nine carries for 11 yards.

And then he breaks contain and rushes on what was a designed pass play drop back and he turns into a scramble that's not a designed run and picks up eight yards on that it's like almost doubles his rushing total on that one play for whatever reason the designed runs were not working at all but when he just decided to run on a designed pass play that's when things really opened up for him and i also think in this kellen moore offense which there's so much more motion pre-snap aj brown's long touchdown a very subtle shift where he's like in the slot and then he shifts his alignment so that that he's out wide, still like off the line, but out the widest receiver.

And that little shift gave him the leverage he needed down the field to get past Jaira Alexander and make that grab and then run to the end zone with it.

But overall, when Jalen Hurts was throwing the ball on time in the rhythm of the offense, the Eagles looked unstoppable.

And when that first read wasn't there or he was a little confused about what he was seeing and he held the ball for an extra second, it felt like disaster was imminent.

And I felt like that was the story of the offense tonight for the Eagles.

So I think the longer, the more games and the more reps he gets in this system, the less he's going to drop back and be confused.

Unless defenses start to pick up, that all we have to do is take away the first read.

But the less he gets confused, the more he can keep this offense in rhythm.

I think they're going to just roll.

And I'm talking like they struggled.

They put up 34 points and won the game.

So they didn't even struggle that much.

Yeah.

And again,

the week one of it all, these guys don't get a lot of reps in live action leading into the games.

They're playing in a weird place in Brazil where it doesn't feel, I know it was technically an Eagles home game, but there's just a weird vibe.

It's almost like even the way, not that Jalen Hurts, because Jalen Hurts does this thing where he's like, I'm the cool, smooth guy when he does something where he's just stone-faced at all times.

It's hard to smile when you win a game there,

but like, it was like when you're at a party and it's not your house and it's not your friend's house and you can't quite get comfortable.

It's like everyone's like that

at this stadium, which, by the way, is a wild name.

I wrote it down here.

Arena Corinthians.

That's the name of the stadium.

Then, Mark, you also told me that there's a dictator of some kind that

runs the nation, and that also leads to a Twitter blackout over there.

Like, what's going on in Brazil?

Take it

behind the scenes.

I don't want to misrepresent the political climate because I don't want them to focus on myself or you.

But they, yeah, there was.

No, to make it clear, I'm pointing out what you said, so I think I would be clear, but you could be in the crosshairs.

Go on.

Yeah, that doesn't make me feel comfortable.

These are serious people.

But like, yeah,

they wiped out the ability to use Twitter/slash X down there.

And it was kind of like a story where, you know, obviously you're a sports reporter trying to tweet out what you're seeing with your eyes in real time.

They were having to, I guess, send tweets to, if not their editor, like their significant other, to tweet out for them them from their account, like overseas.

And by the way, like at one point, the game felt like it went on for quite a while, and it was like almost 9 o'clock when it ended.

Our time in California, it's one in the morning in Brazil.

It's a four-hour time difference.

But you know what?

Well, they like to take

some, not all, but I actually looked this up that there are still a fair amount of individuals in that part of the country or that part of the world that take siestas or they take naps and they're they're more um inclined to be out late at night and have late dinners.

And same with children.

So, I guess, I mean, God forbid the NFL starts the game a couple hours earlier so that people aren't getting home at 4 a.m.

in Brazil.

But, no, it's okay.

All right.

One other side of this from the Packers standpoint, and again, as we record this, everything is up in the air with this team.

But Jaden Reed, you know, not a fluke that rookie season.

He played 71% of the snaps,

ran 27 routes, six targets, one carry, 171 total yards, and two touchdowns.

Okay, now I'm starting to understand what Matt LaFleur meant when he said it makes him vomit when you ask him who his number one wide receiver is.

Because you also have Romeo Dobbs, who

had a much more quiet game, but he ran 90%.

He took 90% of the snaps.

And then you had Christian Watson, who got back in the end zone coming off an injury-marred year.

He played 64% of the snaps.

Dantavian Wicks, he played 47% of the snaps, three targets, maybe not so hot, but he was having a lot of trouble with the turf early on in this game.

So Reed jumps out, obviously.

Josh Jacobs, after a slow start, looked pretty good in this game, too.

And now we wait.

And now we wait, Mark, to see what happens with the quarterback.

Gravedigger, by the way, I want to bring this up, Mark.

Gravedigger, can you fly up the tweet that you sent out moments after the injury suffered by Jordan Love?

Okay, let's take a look at this, Mark, and I want you to let me know what you think about it.

About the tweet, okay.

Here it is.

Hope Jordan Love is okay, period.

New paragraph.

At the same time, comma, I wonder what Ryan Tannehill's up to.

Now, Mark, can I just say, like, from a football analysis standpoint, Justin...

is trying to get ahead of things, and that's what we do in our industry.

But at what cost?

I mean, this guy's trying to be the first to the social media table to feast on the Tannehill thing so he could hit people with, I told you so.

And we don't even know what the injury is with this poor Jordan Love.

Where does the ambition end with young gravedigger?

That's the question I have, Mark.

Yeah, I think that ambition is

prevalent here.

There's also an element of azealatry where in Justin's world, and we're beginning to learn this if we hadn't already, that literally our earth revolves around the Tennessee Titans.

Our earth.

Like no matter, even if you've never heard of football, if you were to look up at the stars, like at the stars and the skies and see what would be like a living God, it is the Tennessee Titans.

So from that angle,

it's a Tennessee Titans helmet rotating 71% faster than you would expect.

It's like, it's basically that.

And so the tweet does not surprise me.

And I, you know, he texted us something similar right after, and I just said, it's a little too soon, Justin.

I think you need to.

Yeah, just slow down a little bit.

There's a man on the turf turf whose life has been turned upside down.

And here we go again with the Titan stuff and the I want to be first stuff.

Like, Justin, you know, your thoughts.

Look, I will say, number one, this was not an original thought.

I mean, it was an original thought of my own.

I didn't see it.

That's not the point.

It's not the point.

But it was also not an original thought because, like, a thousand people tweeted this.

But you know what I didn't see from those 999 people who weren't me?

Hope Jordan Love is okay.

Like, come on.

Where's the humanity?

The compassion?

At least I, yes, it was.

Absolutely.

It was.

So I wouldn't get called out for dismissing the injury.

Exactly my point.

You don't care about Jordan Love.

It's more important to you.

It's true or false.

It's more important to you, Justin, that the Tannehill signing happens than Jordan Love is okay.

Like, be real.

No, I don't, I couldn't care less.

I will say this.

There is absolutely no way in hell Malik Willis starts a game.

Like you kind of said that at the top, Dan, but I want to say it even more.

He's not an NFL

with certainty.

He's he's not and you said it's like in some ways it's worse than the zach wilson situation because zach wilson knew the offense and had been there for his whole career yes in many many many ways it's worse than the zach wilson i think zach wilson is a much better quarterback than malik willis no i think you could hold on though if you made a list and justin you know it but if you made a list of the the best to worst quarterback in the league and Patrick Mahomes is at the top of it, if someone told me Malik Willis was at the bottom of it, I'd be like, okay, that makes sense.

And so I agree.

that is the guy.

And that's not, I'm not taking shots at Malik Willis as a person or anything, the way like Justin's taking shots at Jordan Love at this very tenuous time in his career and life.

I'm just saying

he was a stretch as a draft pick.

Immediately was somebody the Titans internally were like, oh, wait a second, let's pivot out of this and went and got Will Levis.

And then he's on the street.

And somehow the Packers have him at the number two quarterback position.

So, yeah, I think.

They actually traded him to the Packers.

He wasn't on the street, but he would have been.

Right.

It was one of of those deals.

So, I don't know.

Like, yes, it'd be very surprising, Mark, if this is a long-term injury or even a short-term one that we don't hear a very familiar name landing with the Packers, someone that could grasp some aspect of the playbook immediately, somebody that has familiarity with the offense.

Obviously, these are all things you could expect.

Yeah, I mean, to be determined, but

if they really believe there's no way he could start for us, then it's roster mismanagement to have him at number two, even tonight for someone to have to come in and try to attempt

that final heave.

So I'm not sure what they really feel about him.

I think he would have been an interesting third developmental guy or something.

But Ryan Tannehill, you know, joke aside, like, makes a lot of sense, A, if he wants to do this with his life, and B, if

physically he's there.

We don't know that either.

But that is the guy right now that if you're smart, you waited for a situation where you can have a chance to come in and play and have an impact.

This could be that situation.

But if you're a Packers fan, you don't want any of this to happen.

You want to find out tomorrow that, you know, the ankle or the knee or whatever of Jordan Love is on the mend and things will be okay because you don't want to suddenly have to just peer ahead to December or 2025.

This is like a team that I picked to go to the NFC title game, and it's based entirely on their quarterback and what's around them.

All right, how about this?

How about this?

I'll spin positive.

Best case scenario, okay?

This is a good thing that happened to the Packers.

It's not a serious injury.

He has a couple extra days of rest before their week two game, and he's going to be okay.

And the Packers just

got the shit scared out of him, and they're like, oh, my God, we got to get a real backup quarterback in here because it was that close.

So maybe this ends up in a situation where they get scared straight,

regardless of what Love's status ends up being here.

Sean Clifford, who was their backup, who they cut for Malik Willis, is still on the practice squad.

Interestingly, they did not elevate him for this game for the third emergency quarterback or whatever.

So, like, he would have not been available even if Malik Willis came in and got hurt or whatever, which is just kind of weird to me.

Yeah.

Dan, can I do some Jordan Love analysis quickly, or do you want to end this podcast?

I think let's end.

Yeah, let's end the podcast.

Before we do sign off, I do want to say

we need more time to see it, Mark, but

dynamic kickoff rule.

What even are you?

Through two games at least, what a total bust.

I mean,

if this is what it's going to be like all season, we're not going to have any type of kickoffs very soon.

That's my fast take there.

I don't know if you had any thoughts on the dynamic kickoff.

It's a bit of a web fart.

It's also concerning that it was Justin's sports lock of the week that not only a kickoff would be returned for a touchdown, but I believe you said an opening kickoff.

So you're running out of time, it's going to be Sunday around 10, 15 hour time

could be kind of bleak.

And then around 4.30 our time.

14 chances are very bleak.

Yeah,

I feel extremely bad about this.

I am not going to get my first.

I mean, I did, after the preseason, they're returning like 80% of these kicks.

And then they're like, what do we have, like three returns total in two games now?

Not good.

It's crazy.

Not good.

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Yeah, that's why you sign up for this to see what might happen.

And,

you know, I've thought about the fact that if all were to go south and I were to lose any sense of employment or employability by any employer anywhere, then Jason lives in Connecticut in what I believe is to be a spacious house.

I'd imagine there'd be room for me and we could just pick up and do the show together.

And

he's married, but I'd be part of the family.

All part of Gravedigger's plan to just slide over one box over.

You're not podcasting that the producer does not have ambitions to unseat you.

How about Bryce Huff?

27 snaps, zero pressures.

Oh,

well, you know, he'll be okay.

He is a very good player.

But yeah, I did cross my mind.

I was like, how many of the vaunted Eagle rookie class made an impact in this game?

But it's too early.

It's way too early.

But yeah, I guess that's as many hurries as Hassan Ruddick was going to have in week one.

So I can't really be dunking on the Eagles about that.

But Huff will be okay.

He's a good player.

All right, let's get out of here.

Thank you to everybody.

We've given you a lot to chew on.

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And then, yes, back Sunday night with the flagship program.

Until then, do what you must.

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