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The truth is that there's a Jackson dart in my life just like yours.

And if I don't wear this makeup, someone else is going to.

So yuck it up, Wilson haters.

And while you're at it, take a look over your shoulder, too.

Heyo, welcome to Heed the Call, an NFL podcast.

I'm Dan Hansis.

Joined, as always,

by Mark Sessler.

And on the end around Wednesday, Connor Orr in the chair.

Yeah.

Oh, and he fills it so well with that buttocks of his.

Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

You know, guys,

I have to say, like,

this rapture thing.

Right.

I'm a little...

I'm a little TO'd about the rapture, okay?

I mean,

it's like...

How many...

Yeah.

This is what we were promising.

People are predicting, according to that report.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

We go.

Yeah, so like,

how many times?

How many times do I

have to be shouted out that this is the year?

This is like the Baltimore Ravens at this point.

Like,

I'm sick of you telling me that this is the year.

And at a certain point, like with the Ravens, I'm just going to nod my head

and be like, okay, buddy.

And here we are again.

No rapture.

Connor, you're a godly man.

I mean,

Mark, you're a lapsed godly man.

I mean, you are two people to

speak with on this.

I feel like

I'm going to need a little bit more at this point.

My favorite rapture experience was when the Mayan calendar was ending in 2012.

That was the big one, right?

Right.

And

I was a backup for Yankees reporter, and our Yankees reporter was like, had to go to like his kids' parent-teacher conference.

So I was in the Yankees clubhouse.

Different kind of rapture, by the way.

Yeah.

And I was in the Yankees clubhouse when it turned.

12 o'clock on whatever it was, 12, 12.

I forget what the date, the day of the Mayan calendar ending was, but it was to the second.

And

there was a clock in the Yankees locker room that had the seconds the minutes and the hours and so i remember it hitting and then all of us just kind of looking at each other like okay uh i guess nothing's gonna happen and then like 10 seconds later nick swisher just kicks in the door of the yankees locker room and he is like frothing at the mouth and he's like we did it baby we did it like we survived and he is just like losing his mind about not being raptured and i looked at my friend and i was like what the f ⁇ are we doing?

This is the weirdest existence on planet Earth.

Dan, one of our earliest debate club episodes was on that 2012

event.

We've been covering this faithfully now for decades.

I don't appreciate you calling me lapsed.

This is my soul and my spiritual being.

Like, I am someone that, you know, as a younger person, when I was young, would...

I had diaries about my spirituality and like um I

think it's what's in that diary now in the heart of Hollywood you heathen okay it's a little different but that was too hard I think it's like when we're I don't get Nick Swisher um celebrating not being taken up to like the heaven like the realms of heaven because to me it's like wait a minute I was thinking about this like you're don't you have no more responsibility, right?

All this business down here.

Well, no, I'm just saying, you go to heaven, right?

And like, this is a cousin of when Mark used to openly daydream about suffering a serious injury that would put him in the hospital for an extended period so he wouldn't have to tackle the day-to-day responsibilities of life.

This is a kissing cousin of that.

It is, it is to some degree.

I'm looking at a Peloton bike over here that is used not as frequently as a child.

Do I have like, am I suddenly, do I have an eight-pack?

Am I, do I have clothes on?

Am I six foot eight?

Like, are people naked?

Like, why, if you're in God's heavenly kingdom, like, why are we we going through all the stuff we're going through there's probably wonderful foods like it's meant to be good right so it's like why would that be a

loss versus a victory and so september 24th is struck and i'm still here um with a ring light and a laptop so okay i yeah i'm with you like the 2020 12 the 2012 one was like mark andrews dropping the two-point conversion Yesterday was Derrick Henry fumbling in the red zone for the second time in three weeks.

Like at a certain point, I'm just going to cash out on the whole thing,

but let's leave it there.

Let's save the rest for the theology podcast.

End around.

We're going to hit a bunch of stuff, fun stuff, newsy stuff, big, big news coming out of northern New Jersey.

Before we get into that,

let's challenge our audience once more because you guys stepped up last time.

We have a new subscriber goal for the week, okay, for the YouTube channel.

You guys crushed it last time.

Now we're shooting for 25,000 by next Wednesday's recording.

So, seven days to get to 25,000 subscribers.

It's ambitious.

It's a real challenge.

I thought, like, we set the bar, and this was Justin's doing, our fine producer.

We kind of set the bar a little bit medium length the first time, height the first time, this time a little higher, a little bit like, what do you guys have in the tank?

So, we're really going to need the help from the hedonist.

Can you guys help us get us there?

Smash that subscribe button, sound off in the comments about the rapture.

If I'm lapsed, it's because the listeners have become my God.

Oh my god,

that is the most American consumer statement that was ever stated.

But that's okay, that's what we are whores for money.

Um, let's now

get into everything.

Just like I'm so much more than Peyton Manning, I'm also motivating Manning.

Motivating Manning?

What?

Motivate!

Not Peyton!

Not Peyton!

Motivate!

Oh my god!

Dayton's still cashing those checks on Madison Avenue.

Getting her done.

All right.

The big news out of East Rutherford came down

Tuesday morning, about 12 hours after Mark and I had an extended conversation about what Brian Dable was going to do about this quarterback problem he had.

Everybody wanted the rookie to start.

We kind of came down on either based on the wording that Dable was going to switch over to Dart for week four

or maybe give Russ one more chance and maybe even get a half.

And maybe we see Dart on Sunday.

Well, yes, we're going to see Dart on Sunday because the Giants informed both Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart of the decision that the rookie will be the QB1 going forward.

He's starting Sunday against the Chargers.

Wilson will be the backup.

Jameis Winston still in the third string spot.

And on

Wednesday, Dable in his press conference said this is not going to be a hot potato situation.

This is Dart's team.

And so in terms of the quarterback situation, I met both with Russ yesterday and Jackson privately.

And Russ was nothing but a pro, which I would expect him to be.

It's my decision.

I'm going with Jackson.

We're going to get him ready to play this week and the remainder of the season.

He's going to do everything he can.

Russ will be the backup.

The conversations that I've had with these young men will be private.

The details will be private.

All I can tell you is we're going with Jackson, and we're getting ready to play.

All right.

Here's my take on this one, Mark, and then we're going to move out of the way for someone else.

I think this is table blinking.

I think they wanted Russell Wilson to be the QB longer.

It wasn't so long ago that in Dallas, in fact, it was like 10 days ago,

Wilson was performing at the height of his powers.

But that Sunday night game, it's an example of how an island game could have an effect.

The fact that he did it in prime time, Russell Wilson struggled the way he did in prime time, the way the Giants fans got all over Wilson and the coaching staff.

You heard the booze.

It just amplified it to a point where I think Dable realized he was going to be a dead man walking in public opinion if he didn't make the move.

So I don't know if this was, I don't think this was what Dable wanted to do, but I feel like Giants fans fans in a weird way forced his hand on Sunday night football.

I will make a quick statement, then we will get out of the way.

If you're Brian Dayball, he talked about it, you know, being Jackson Dart's team.

Well, how long will it be Brian Dayball's team?

I think the one thing for me, you can't prove to anyone that you're developing Russell Wilson at this point in his career, right?

You can prove your value by developing Jackson Dart.

You can show John Mara.

You can show the entire nation that you can develop a quarterback and build an offense around him.

It buys you some time.

Connor, I know that this is a passionate area for you.

I would love to hear your reaction to what's occurred.

Yeah, let's, Connor, yeah.

And respectfully, we're going to move out of the way for you.

You had a lot invested in Russell Wilson.

You guys played catch in that park just, what, eight weeks ago?

And now here we are.

Everything has changed.

Go ahead, buddy.

Thank you.

I prepared a little statement.

I saw a lot of excitement in the football viewing public yesterday about the benching of Russell Wilson.

Not so dangerous now, Mr.

Unlimited.

Try Mr.

Backup.

Well, everyone at work says I should do stand-up.

And I'm here to give you permission to enjoy yourselves for the next 24 hours before coming to the sobering realization that there's a Jackson dart in your life, too.

Who me, you ask?

I'm Derek Shambliss.

I'm the vice president of sugar at the ice cream company.

I'm irreplaceable, really?

Interesting.

I bet that right now there's someone in your boss's office.

Maybe not Jackson, maybe Trace, Bryce, Caden, Aiden, Brayden, Jaden.

I bet he knows how to use artificial intelligence.

I bet he doesn't misappropriate company funds by expensing personal items.

I bet he isn't an HR risk with employees of the opposite sex.

You think any of us like traipsing around with this ring light on us like we're on the main stage at satin dolls?

You think I like wearing makeup here and off camera to practice sometimes?

No.

The truth is that there's a Jackson dart in my life just like yours, and if I don't wear this makeup, someone else is going to.

So yuck it up, Wilson haters, and while you're at it, take a look over your shoulder too.

Wow.

That's all.

We all feel it.

That's trenchant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's a tough one.

It's a tough one, Conman.

I like that Connor went modern name, modern male name there with a list of like the very most annoying male names of today.

It's tough situation.

It's funny because it actually just is the top.

Like I looked at like the top 10 baby names from 2024.

Wow, we're lost.

My actual thoughts on this are it was an inevitability.

I thought he would hang on longer though.

I really did.

I thought this was going to be a November, December situation, and I'm shocked it's against the Chargers.

This is Jesse Minter's one of the best coordinators in the NFL.

Derwin James specifically has the ability to intercept almost any concept as it's taking place.

And we saw him do that against much better players, Patrick Mahomes for one, than Jackson Dart.

So I don't know.

How much do you think, Connor, does play into

that was an embarrassing look for the Maras and Dable

on Sunday night, the way the crowd was becoming a story.

And now I think think part of the reason when I say that Dable blinked, and I don't think Dable's a good head coach, and

I don't think he should even be in the spot he is right now.

I think they should have gotten him last year.

To this, it's like, I don't think he had the stomach to go into that stadium again and then risk Russell Wilson playing the way he did against the Chiefs.

I think that factored in, like that, the ugliness that MetLife Stadium, what it could have devolved into, is something that he didn't want anything to do with, even if it meant starting Dart in a less opportune scenario, because next week they have the Saints on the road, arguably the worst team in football.

My question was, and it's kind of the story of Brian Dables' tenure there, right?

Where it's just the timing.

was unfortunate for good quarterback play, right?

Daniel Jones played his best season in 2022 at a time when the team was planning on rebuilding.

And then they had to accelerate that process and the roster is still hollow.

Russell Wilson had the game of his career the week before that Chiefs game.

And there's no no way to move on from him at that point.

And there's no sensible way to even go to Winston.

My question is, you have Winston on the roster.

Why wouldn't you let him take the meat shield for one game against the Chargers before going to the Saints?

And at least you're not incurring that much of the wrath of MetLife Stadium because Russ isn't there.

I just think that this is...

Because isn't it not really a Russ thing?

It's more a the Giants fans are sick of losing and they have this kid that everyone's excited about.

So whether it's Winston or or Wilson, the crowd is going to have the same reaction.

Giants fans are going to have the same reaction.

Get these progress stoppers off my field and put the kids.

Isn't Winston just wasting time?

Like, what I mean, like, I see what you're saying, Connor, but like, then you're a week from now on to your third quarterback, and it's the beginning of October, and you look disorganized.

Like, all I'd say is, this was the 25th pick in the draft.

Right.

Like, what are we, like, other quarterbacks, first-round quarterbacks, start right away.

Like, why are we protecting him?

And their schedule, I get the Saints thing, but then the schedule is an absolute apocalyptic disaster from there on.

So you can't just, you're going to dip him in against the Saints on the road, and that's like the big, obvious place to put him.

Like, let's go.

Do it now.

Like, this coaching staff is trying to save their own jobs and the schools that their kids go to and their wives and everyone else.

It's like, if you can turn it around with the player that everyone wants to see, you're good.

Are you saying

the coaches can, their wives are going to leave them if this doesn't work out the way they well?

They'll all be on different teams in different cities at that point.

Like it's like you get scattered around the country if you're all fired in week five.

Like it's a disaster.

I thought, yeah, I didn't know what you were insinuating there.

All right, let's stick a pin.

Last thing I had on it was just.

I'll repeat what I said late in August, early September.

You guys are so excited about the Giants.

I couldn't get there.

And and it was really because of the quarterback.

I was like, that's going to make this team boring.

I'm excited about the Giants now because there are exciting players on this team, and now you have this rookie that everybody loves.

Now, let's go see the HTC draft on Friday on the Patreon.

I'm interested to see where the Giants go in that draft.

And P.S.

Cam Scatabro

did you get the home and away jerseys

on the NFL shop, Mark?

Going to be shopping later today.

All right, let's move on.

Let's move on to another floating trash barge.

The Tennessee Titans, number 32

in the

HTC power rankings.

Things are happening.

Gravy wants Brian Callahan fired.

Callahan knows that he's close to getting fired potentially, so he does the move that you have to do.

You got to start doing things.

You're going to fire your offensive coordinator.

Are you going to fire a DC?

You're going to demote a wide receiver coach?

What are you going to do?

So, what he does, he demotes himself from play caller, hands those duties to QB coach Bo Hardigree.

And

Justin,

your thoughts on this?

How come the, how come, let's start here.

How come Nick Holtz,

though, C, isn't the play caller here?

Nick Holtz, pronounced like there's a T.

I like it my way.

Also, can you play the music before you go into your monologue, the music that I requested for this part of the program today?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

So, Callahan, yes.

My understanding from doing a little digging is that this was not his decision.

This was forced upon him by the GM, Mike Berganzi, president of Football Ops.

Chad Brinker decided that he was going to do this to save his job.

Nick Holtz passed over because Nick Holtz doesn't call the plays.

It's unclear what Nick Holtz actually does.

Classic office space meme, what is it that you would you say you do here?

He does a lot of game planning and prep, but on game days, nothing.

So the reason he's passed over, in my opinion, is so that in a week or two or three or five or 12 or whenever, when Callahan eventually gets fired, just like when Josh McDaniels was fired as the play calling head coach of the Raiders, his offensive coordinator was also dismissed.

I think Holtz will be dismissed with Callahan.

So rather than give play calling duties to Holtz and then in a few weeks have to shift it again, they just skip that step, give it to Bo Hardigree, who has actually that 2023 Raiders team I was just talking about.

Bo Hardigree was the QB coach, promoted to interim offensive coordinator mid-season.

So

complete disaster.

I do think the funniest part of this is that Brian Callahan.

The funniest part is that Brian Callahan was asked like, so this is not because you were unhappy with your own play calling.

This is just so you can get do a better job as coach.

And this is what he had to say to that.

It's more about you trying to get more of a big picture feel for yourself as it is to kind of a disappointment in your play calling?

Is that

yeah, I've had zero disappointment in my play calling.

Oh, yeah.

I mean,

I don't have any disappointment in that at all,

but it's just more just so I can see the rest of it, see the big picture better and do a better job.

Cool, cool, cool.

Yeah, you know, the Titans are only 31st in total yards of offense, 28th in points scored, tied for last in the NFL, and touchdowns scored, 31st in the NFL, and EPA per play on offense.

But the play calling's fine.

That's not the issue.

Speaking of meat shields, nobody's focusing on the psych ward collapsing from within early returns on the number one overall pick.

Total meat shield scenario.

That guy hasn't done anything wrong.

Eh.

Did throw a pick six.

That was pretty bad last week, but he's been good outside of that one play.

Okay.

They are 31st in total yards, 28th in points, tied for last in NFL and touchdowns, scored 31st in the NFL and EPA per play.

I'm sure he's doing great other than the tick-six.

All right.

Mark, I feel like this is an easy one.

This is an easy show for Mark and I.

In fact, why don't you tee this next item up because it's just like

Mark, per his preference is John Stockton.

I'll be Magic Johnson.

We're just teeing up our two bros here on this show.

Go ahead on the next item, Mark.

It really is.

It really is.

We're hitting hot spots.

I want to know why this even occurred or why this was necessary, but Tom Brady,

the future Hall of Fame quarterback, the Fox broadcaster on the number one team,

addressed...

His concerns or addressed the concerns out there about the so-called conflict of interest

in his newsletter, which I do not subscribe to this newsletter, but he came out.

I only subscribed to one, Silver Hoses.

That's it for me.

You do.

You are our most loyal.

The voricious reader of it.

Yeah, I don't think you've ever clicked into one of them, but you can claim as you wish.

Tom Brady, would you...

Absolutely.

Would you like me to read what he wrote in his newsletter, or we've got it right here?

Yeah, read it, and then we'll throw it to you know who

okay he said we are living through a period of great paranoia and distrust in politics wait can we get the missive music for this one justin jesus christ is this how this is

this is how this is going to start i haven't seen this yet this is yeah this is this is how we're going to write about multiple people on the show some some jock in in a booth like calling he's going to act like he's delivering the state of the union address right here i mean does this guy live on our planet okay go ahead mark so uh, yeah, let's go with this music.

We are living through a period of great paranoia and distrust in politics, media, sports, business, and especially wherever those worlds intersect.

There are a thousand reasons why, and none of us know all of them.

Okay, but I believe all of us know that there's at least one solution.

Duty and integrity.

Doing our jobs to the best of our abilities, consistent with our values.

So this week, that's what I want to talk about.

Duty and integrity.

Doing your job the right way.

And he goes on to say, I feel I have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which is why the point where my roles in it intersect is not actually a point of conflict, Connor, despite what the paranoid and distrustful might believe.

He is calling you, Connor, paranoid and distrustful.

These are higher levels of blowhard than I believe I've ever seen on this podcast.

Go ahead, Connor.

Holy shit.

I mean, he did nail it.

I'm incredibly paranoid and distrustful, but for good reason, right?

Like what, like every single billionaire in our life is somehow being like, let me just bend the rules a little bit.

So it's okay for me.

And I promise you'll be fine.

And I don't think we're going to be fine.

But anyway, I've kind of given up.

In a way, like I'm fighting the good fight as much as I can.

I just don't feel anybody at my back.

You know, I don't feel like the support from the community at large.

I feel like this is one of those, besides you guys,

just this little bird that flew in and out of our consciousness.

And we're going to be totally okay with the fact that next year out of the blue, the Raiders are going to be 12 and 4, and no one's going to quite understand why.

And it's just, it's going to be okay.

And that's fine.

If no one else cares, I don't care.

That's, that's, that's, I did my duty, my journalistic duty.

I laid it out there for everybody, and uh, it was received like a fart in church.

Dan,

we've got a modern day Jim Garrison over here.

He fought for what he believed in no matter what, and it didn't work out, maybe.

Or it did.

And I will say this, in his defense, right?

Imagine if DeflateGate and him destroying all those text messages.

and him being at the ski-off with Matt Stafford and

whatever maybe or maybe not benefiting from Spygate.

Imagine if all of that is just an owner-driven hoax to have ousted the Patriots out of jealousy, much like what's happening with the tush-push or with any other thing that gets hot and other owners get upset about, right?

If Tom Brady is truly just the 199th pick and an earnest, competitive individual, I feel bad.

And I and he dug into that point about mistrust and about

in his whatever newsletters, but, um,

but there's so much there there that it, it, it's hard for us to just sit there and be like, okay, sure.

Yeah, just keep doing, keep operating on the fringes of, of the rule book and everything's going to be okay for us.

I don't know.

Tom Brady, beacon of integrity.

I mean, that newsletter is science fiction.

How do you sign up for it?

I think I'm going to sign up for it.

I only have room for one.

Well, you apparently have room for one more because you've not investigated the one that you claim to be a part of.

One.

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All right, we are back.

Let's dive right back into the rundown here, the end around.

Wednesday.

Yes, Justin.

If this is about the Titans, I'm going to be very

good.

Good news.

It's not.

We have, I'm not sure how legit this is.

I have somebody on the line.

They called in during the break, claiming to be New York Giants podcaster and famed actor Christopher Watkin.

Should I put him through?

Yeah.

Put him through.

Let's see.

I think he's a listener.

All right.

All right.

Here you go.

Hello.

Is anyone there?

Mr.

Walken?

Yes.

How are you, sir?

Chris Walken,

lifelong Giants fan, host of my own secret podcast, hidden like Eli, down for two minutes, two minutes left, waiting to strike.

Yep, that was that happened, definitely in the Super Bowl.

Yep, 42.

Christopher Walken, yes, host of, of course, the Walkin' with Giants podcast, which not everybody knows about.

Everybody knows Walken as this great talent in Tinseltown, but big podcast fan.

It doesn't surprise me that you're calling in here, Mr.

Walken, given the huge move made by Brian Dable.

I'm sure you want to talk about the quarterback change.

Dot gets the start.

Good.

I like it.

Kids got guts, Throws like a young Phil Sims.

But with TikTok followers,

calm,

collected,

eagle-eyed.

Cam Scatterboo in the backfield.

Forget it.

He's a runaway snowplow.

You get in front of him.

Your roadkill.

Giants football.

Well, there you go.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, Mr.

Walkin.

The excitement.

There's a little bit of juice around this team now for those reasons you just mentioned.

And I know you weren't the biggest fan of Russell Wilson.

So I guess it's kind of a little double treat for you, Mr.

Walken.

Those who had faith in Russell Wilson, it makes me sick.

The man is finished.

Cooked.

Mr.

Unlimited, please.

He's Mr.

Leftovers.

Cold Pizza, nobody wants.

And you know, it really bums me.

He stole my Subway sandwich ad.

That was mine.

My audition was a masterpiece.

You think Russell was creepy in his ad?

You should have seen mine.

Like the shining.

Only

for Sando's.

Mesmerizing, frightening, delicious.

Yeah,

and Connor Orr is on the line here.

He was a Russell Wilson believer.

So I just want to let you know, you know, believing in Russell Wilson doesn't mean that that person had, you know, the wrong take or whatever.

It's just the way things worked out with the Giants, you know, you know what I mean?

The ore man.

Mr.

Watkins?

The ore man.

How's that Kool-Aid tasting?

I hope you choke.

Hey, how about, you know, speaking of Giants quarterbacks, how about Daniel Jones?

He's doing pretty well in Indianapolis these days.

Daniel Jones, people said he was finished, done.

But in Indianapolis, he's alive.

He's happy.

The man is thriving.

Once a giant, always a giant.

You know how it goes.

But nothing gets a man's luck going like wearing a horseshoe.

Can I ask a quick question here?

Shoot.

You know, Conman.

Okay, okay.

Conman, nice to speak with you, Christopher.

Conman

is an old-school throwback Giants guy who watches the Giants on dial-up cable.

How do you observe Giants games and what do you eat and drink during those affairs?

I used to have a Subway sandwich with every time I would watch my beloved Giants.

I'd stare in the mirror.

I'd let the ketchup drip down my chin.

And I'd say, oh.

Do you like spicy?

You like your spicy subway, Subway sandwich?

You like it spicy?

Giants in the background.

I say, hey,

get that ball over the line.

Munch, munch.

You get the idea.

Okay.

Mr.

Walken, thank you so much.

Get Walking with Giants wherever you find your podcast.

And is there anything else you'd like to add before we say goodbye, Mr.

Walken?

And really, the honor is all on this side of the line.

This is quite a treat for the show.

I'm still available, Subway.

Give me a call.

I'll drop everything just to do that ad.

I love your sandwiches.

I love the cheesy bread.

I love the little juices that you put on the oil and the vinegar.

I love the Southwest Mayo.

Come on.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Walkin.

The Southwest Mayo does have a little kick to it, so I get where he's coming from.

It feels a little bit, there's a bit of a mania involved with that particular fast food franchise.

Yeah, that caught me off guard.

A little bit.

This is a 50 to 60-year-old

tenured Hollywood icon.

So the Subway ad feels a little left field, but a little beneath him, even.

Yeah, different passions, different needs.

All right.

In other news.

Hallmark,

Bills,

holiday touchdown.

It's coming, Conman.

And they dropped the poster.

Take a look at it if you're on YouTube.

Here we see.

Let's see.

The tagline, go for four,

you might find forever.

The f does that mean?

Who are these people?

What does that mean, go for four?

What does that mean?

Is this

all right?

Call me a cynic, but did the people that wrote this tagline not know that there is no four-point play in football?

What am I missing on this one, guys?

Well, maybe not yet, but they're going to introduce it

on the show.

And, you know, the Chiefs one broke a lot of rules in terms of we didn't know that you could, for example, grab the microphone before an NFL game and just start talking about your own weird family traditions and then make out with your, with a team employee.

Right.

That was the Chiefs' holiday touchdown special.

Yeah, that was wild.

And we'll have, we have to, Connor, I think, run it back on the Patreon this year, a live watch of Bill's holiday touchdown.

And just line up that poster one second.

I think we all know Mark's sex sells, but Hallmark is not known for this, especially in their holiday film canon.

This is a little bit, that hand of the female lead is, as they're sitting on the

upright at Old Rich Stadium, that's drifting a little close to the inner thigh.

So maybe we got a little bit more.

It's nestled on the edge of the inner thigh.

Despite being gloved, that doesn't change things too much.

She's got something on her mind, you'd think.

My only concern is: are we doing this for the next 30 years?

Are we going through every one of these teams every Christmas?

I think you know the answer to that, my friend.

Are we getting a Titans, Hollywood Titans story, which like I, you know, I mean,

I don't need okay.

Is the NFL going to hold its hand out and take money from literally any corporation in America and beyond that will whore out to be connected to the most popular sports brand in the country?

Yes.

Next year it will be a Titans love story.

Then the year I think it's going to be Eagles next year, and that's going to annoy you.

Well, that an Eagles love story.

That sounds a little beyond the pale, but it's possible.

Micah Parsons.

Micah Parsons.

Michael Parsons.

Michael.

Micah Parsons.

Did you see?

We never got to this, but Michael Parson.

That he was saying that, Jerry was saying that, Michael Parsons, even in the post-trade press conference, and his son had to correct him.

Yeah.

So it wasn't like a

if you're concerned about the direction of the Cowboys in 2025, that wasn't just a slip of the tongue and something we all do from time to time.

He repeatedly said,

Michael Parson, till his son had to correct him in the middle of a press conference.

So that's a little troubling.

You think I'm an idiot?

Do you?

Here's Parsons talking about the idea

with a week four matchup.

Are they playing this week?

Cowboys, Packers?

Is that what's happening here?

Okay, cool.

Sunday Night Football, I believe.

Parsons had this to say about the idea of sacking his best bud, Dak Prescott.

It's going to be painful.

You You know what I mean?

Dak's my guy.

He was always like a good mentor for me.

What are you saying?

But you know what it is.

He always told me if I ever faced him that

it'll be a great matchup.

So I'm excited to see if Sunday

brings itself.

I think the media and

trying to blow it up to be such a big thing.

But I just look at it just another game at ATT.

I love when we start to lose, Dan, in the middle of a show.

In other news, I like this one.

Now, you're going to get me interested on this one because

I had my thoughts about the J.J.

McCarthy NFC Player of the Week award in week one, and I thought it was wild.

Isaiah Rogers, the cornerback of the Vikings, was named NFC Defensive Player of the Week.

And I'm going to tell you something.

We're all good, even Steven now, because I think you can make the case that Isaiah Rogers had the greatest game by a defensive back in the history of pro football.

Listen to this.

I know you know this, but just I was reading this nut graph, a little journalistic term for you.

Rodgers recorded in the blowout, obviously, of

who's it?

The Bengals?

Who'd they destroy?

Bengal.

They whipped the Bengals.

48-10 win over the Bengals.

Rodgers single-handedly turned that game into a blowout.

Rodgers recorded two forced fumbles, an 87-yard pick six.

I'm not done.

I'm only halfway done.

A 66-yard scoop and score

in the win.

I mean, two force fumbles, pick six,

66-yard scoop and score.

According to the NFL, Rodgers is the first player in NFL history to record an interception of at least 85 yards for a touchdown and a fumble return of at least 65 yards for a touchdown.

He's also the first player since 2000 with two force fumbles and two touchdowns in the same game.

So that is, as they head to Dublin,

the Vikings to play the Steelers.

Rogers on high.

I like that.

It was almost as impressive of a game from Harrison Smith, who

set the table for a lot of those, like the pick six.

If you go back and the end zone view now of that play is available, and Harrison Smith by himself shuts down each of Jake Browning's first two reads, runs after one guy, stops him from throwing it, runs after another guy, stops him from throwing it, then shoots his body backwards to tip the pass up in the air that Rodgers catches.

And I texted that play to a couple of coaches this week, and one of them just sent back the GOAT emoji.

And I was like, I think that might be one of the greatest defensive plays that I've ever seen.

And

I wasn't shouted down on that.

I was going to say, and that's also, that's 36-year-old Harry.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Is he a Hall of Fame?

I think that was a case.

There is a real case case because he's been consistently that player for a long time.

I think it's a tough position to say best game ever for a defensive back because

from the statistical angle, you've got a very strong case.

But

there is, as Conrad's mentioning,

there's like kind of positioning and a time and a place for where you are when those plays happen.

But it's also week three.

Like, I can think back to, and I'd have to go watch like deeper tape of all this, but like Ronnie Lott in like key

playoff NFC shows.

I'd like to go dig and find a game that beats.

Well, I would, I would, one game that stands out to me, um,

Daryl Green

for the, what was the Washington Redskins back then, they went into Chicago in'88, I believe, and it was like negative degree temperatures, and he returned to punt for a touchdown and also shut down the Chicago Bears offense in an unfriendly environment for 60 minutes.

Like, you know, there's the Ed Reids, the Deion Sanders.

So it's kind of of like, what's the height of

the environment, the game?

And week three, cool, against the Bad Bengals team without the starting quarterback.

But

statistically,

it obviously is a massive outlaw.

All right.

Way to deflate Isaiah Rogers' accomplishments.

I do not attend to do that.

I am very proud of him, and I thank him for his performance.

Was it Larry Brown from the Cowboys?

Didn't he have three picks in a Super Bowl game?

Yeah, and he went to Washington.

I think that was a good one.

They were basically glorified shovel passes from Neil O'Donnell, in fairness.

Was it two or three?

I don't know.

I'll double check.

Two, I think, right?

He got a huge deal, I believe, from the Jets and free agency and was out of football about two years later.

I think that.

I thought it was Washington.

Or Washington.

Who cares?

All right.

In other news, Keenan Allen

was on the McAfee show.

You know, pizza.

Pizza is my kryptonite.

You know, you try to, especially as you get older, you try to eat more healthy and control yourself.

But pizza is the one thing, any gains that have been made through maturity, you put me in

front of a pie, it's a problem.

Like I can't, I actually, pizza is the one food where I'll eat two slices and be hungrier after the second slice because it lights

so much.

And so it's a danger thing for Zuzzer, okay?

And Keenan Allen on that subject, he was on McAfee.

So there's a pizza oven in the Chargers facility.

And I guess Keenan and I have the similar struggle.

Here's what he said about that.

Got a great pizza oven, guys.

Sweet oven.

How is that?

Are we eating that?

Is everybody housing that pizza?

It's delicious.

Or are you guys all so healthy nowadays?

You don't even eat the pizza?

I am.

I can't eat the pizza.

If I eat a slice of pizza, I'm going to be a tight end.

Yeah, I get it, man.

The struggle is real.

Do you guys have a food that

you struggle to control yourself with?

I would, I would, like,

just to, you know, to make you feel better, I don't think you're the only American struggling with the pizza situation.

Like, there is up here in Hollywood, um, a place that we've found, a Detroit-style pizza.

And, you know, the problem when you order a pizza, if there's two of you or something, right?

And kids love it too, so kids are always asking for it.

So that's just, you know, but like if you order a pizza, it's still sitting in your fridge for like another two or three days.

And it's just,

it infects my mind.

It could be like at one in the morning.

I'm like, well, I'm not going to fall asleep until I go eat that piece.

And I like it cold.

I like it hot.

I like it.

But to that point, so we're a family of four.

We'll go to the local slicing pint here.

Wonderful establishment, Nelson Gundo.

And when you got an 11-year-old boy and a nearly nine-year-old boy, and then you got dad, and then you have mom.

One pie, it's not, that's two slices each.

No, no, no.

So, but here's the thing.

You know what would be great?

A pie and a half, but you can't do a pie and a half.

Or you could go buy the slice, but now we're being fiscally irresponsible.

So I ended up getting two pies.

And now all of a sudden, to Mark's point, we're taking home six slices of pizza.

And here's, here's dad, you know, old tugboat, just trying to get through the day and trying to watch the waistline.

And it's singing like an angelic choir, Connor, those six leftover slices.

I feel the same way that you do about pizza, about nicotine and attention.

And so I get it.

You know, those are things that

I need a lot of that I have to have to watch.

My grandmother, Granby, God rest her soul,

she quit smoking

probably in like the early to mid-90s.

And then she lived another 20 years.

But I remember her telling me something telling that

even

decades later, she never totally lost that urge for a cigarette.

Like it was always kind of in the back of her mind.

It was that nicotine and everything that goes with it was that powerful.

It's interesting.

Justin's shaking his head.

Jessica has been cigarette-free for 32, 33 days now, which is very impressive for her.

I'm still ripping this bad boy, but I'm going to stop soon.

For me, my food that I can't stop eating is ice cream.

I could eat a bowl of ice.

I know why you're laughing.

Why are you laughing?

I could eat a pint of ice cream.

I couldn't stop soon.

I could eat a gallon of ice cream.

Ice cream's like water.

It's It's liquid.

By the time it hits your stomach, there's no substance to that.

I could just eat that until there's no more of it in the world.

What flavor?

I don't really imagine men eating a lot of ice cream, but this is so this is compelling to me.

What type of flavor?

Wait, you don't men don't eat ice cream?

Is that?

I'm not saying that they don't, but I don't think of it, it feels more like.

What does the male species enjoy?

No, I think more.

Like a few frozen desserts.

Well,

only for the females.

No, more cliche.

I think like,

and I'm not saying it's accurate, but that you'd have like the woman woman that can't.

Females during the moon menstrual cycle will invade the freezers.

The males only like pizza.

Aha, aha, aha.

Well, point made

by you.

Great job.

Are you trying to quit for your wedding, though, Justin?

What'd you say?

Are you trying to quit for your wedding?

Is that the.

Well, not, no.

I mean, I'm just trying to quit because it's bad for me.

I don't know.

Blood pressure and all that.

Nicotine's just, it's not good for the body.

News update.

GC, GC.

All right, let's take a break and

when we get back, we preview the first game of week four, Seahawks at Cardinals.

All right, welcome back.

Thursday night football.

I mean, it just flies around.

The calendar just rumbles once the season starts.

The number 13, the Twilight Twilight Zone team of the HTC Power Rankings, Seattle Seahawks, travels to Glendale, Arizona to face the number 19 Arizona Cardinals.

Connor, we talked about it on the Monday night show.

You and I are in lockstep on the Seahawks.

We love the Seahawks.

I have them at number 10.

You had them all the way up at number 8.

I think there's something that people have not quite caught up to yet about that this team has pretty much all the boxes checks checked of what you want from a big-time NFC contender.

And I feel great about them going on the road to face a Cardinals team that doesn't quite seem to have its shit together.

How say you?

Yeah, I was going to say, I think

this might be a two-touchdown victory for Seattle.

Like, that's how good I'm feeling about this.

Sam Darnold, depending on what metric you subscribe to, PFF's best quarterback in the NFL right now, top quarterback in terms of VPA and efficiency.

The Seattle offense leads the league in explosive passing plays.

And

Jackson Smith and Jigba, watching him on all 22 is a revelation.

I mean, he is so savvy, and the things that he's doing just between plays or before a route or to set up a route are things that I've never seen a receiver do before.

Just the way that he fakes blocking or the way that he engages with the defender, it's spectacular.

I mean, he's evolved into this Cooper Cup on steroids.

And then you also have Cooper Cup, and he's helping.

So I like everything about this team.

And it causes no one to wonder why DK Metcalf is not there.

I'm with you.

I think he is growing into a true star.

And you're playing a Cardinals

defense that right now is missing in the defensive backfield.

Sean Murphy Bunting, Garrett Williams, Starling Thomas.

And Will Johnson, their second-round cornerback, may not be available this week either.

So it is like they're not asking Sam Darnold to throw the ball 50 times a game.

I kind of love what they do.

It's like they want to be run heavy.

He's throwing like fewer than 25 passes per game.

And they have what you would call like a top four or five defense.

And like the plan in Seattle is coming together.

And I'm with you, Dan.

Like I've been pro-Cardinals, but I don't trust them right now.

You just lost James Conner, who I think was the engine of that offense because I don't trust Kyler Murray.

You're banged up all over over the place, and Seattle feels like a team rising.

Yeah, that Marvin Harrison, credit to Harrison, he kind of stepped up and

put some of the struggles of the offense on him saying, I haven't been good enough.

I need to be better.

Obviously, that drop with Fred Warner barely in coverage was haunting in that one-point loss to a Niners team that, let's face it, was missing.

their starting quarterback.

I mean, not being able to find a way to win that game, that's frustrating.

And the only thing I'll say is I like the the Seahawks in this game.

I'm going to say I'm going to go 24 to

16, okay?

I'm going to say it's going to be a game like that and another frustrating Arizona

offensive performance.

But, you know, Thursday night is weird.

Thursday night

division games are weird.

Going on the road in that situation is kind of weird.

If this was a game that was played in the late afternoon on Sunday, Connor, I would probably be all over it as a lock of the week.

That's how good I feel about the Seahawks right now.

But Thursday nights are weird, so anything could happen, I guess, is a long-winded way of saying that.

I mean, the other biomarker here is how efficient is your run game going to be?

And I've been an advocate for getting Trey Benson more touches to see if he can get into a rhythm and become the guy that Arizona wants.

But without a run game against Seattle, you're dead to rights.

You can't sit back and throw against them, especially Kyler Murray.

So I'm sticking with it.

I think this is a two-touchdown victory.

I think I would if I'm allowed to.

I don't know how we treat Thursday nights on this broadcast, but I would like to lock up Seattle confidently if I can, the road team.

You just said on this podcast that you were feeling love for the Cardinals and you still believed in them.

Now you're locking up against them at home?

I've turned on them.

Now they're definitely going to win.

Well, sure, but

they have not supported the ball.

What are you doing in reverse Jinx?

Is that what this is?

Well, no, because I'm not looking to lose my lock.

Like, I want to go, you know, stay undefeated.

It's been a while.

There's just a lot of

voodoo going on right now.

I sense it in the air.

The air is heavy.

I'm going to be victorious, and I'm going to have it out of the way by Friday morning.

And that feels good.

That's a good way to go to the weekend.

I get that.

All right.

Justin, you want to pick?

Already?

This is my bad.

It's two in a row.

My bads on the lock thing.

I will say I had a good excuse for Monday night because I was trying to build

the power.

We never covered.

Mark just said he wants to stay undefeated in the lock comp.

Well, that's already a failure because Mark locked the Ravens on Monday night football, who lost to the Lions.

And I forgot to call it out on the Monday night show.

And again, I was distracted building a graphic mid-show.

How many times are we going to hear about this graphic build?

Christ.

I'm not undefeated.

That's true.

You're not.

We'll get into that on the Thursday preview show.

But yes, that is no longer the case, Mark.

So good luck on Thursday.

All right.

I did want to mention just something abnormal about this game.

And I will also pick the Seahawks since you asked, but the Cardinals, in terms of the Vegas desert spreads and everything, the Cardinals opened the week as two and a half point favorites.

What?

As we sit here and record this podcast now, they are one and a half point dogs.

So lots of movement there.

Three whole points of movement.

Well, did the Connor thing, like the news came on Monday morning, right, for James Connor?

That might have.

I would be surprised if a running back injury moved the line even at all, let alone three whole packages.

How about the HTC power rankings and the news that Zuzzer and the Orman are super high on this team?

That seems like a line mover.

I agree with that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's go with that.

All right, before we get out of here, a couple things.

End around.

We check in on the world outside the NFL as well.

And Mark, you and I were over the moon excited.

A little apprehensive.

Personally, I think you're the same way because Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is both of, you know, in our pantheon of great films, let alone you know, not just Tarantino, but just great movies.

Uh, we love that movie, uh, the 2019

epic.

And uh, now they're working on a David Fincher directed Tarantino Penn.

Is that what's he wrote it?

So there's

sequel um centered on the Cliff Booth character played obviously by and iconically by Brad Pitt.

And it looks like we might have a little uh, for those on YouTube, a little update um visually.

Look at that.

It's 1977.

Oh, baby.

And he is, if you could pick someone that could own the look, it would be him.

And he's doing so right here.

I believe this is

right here in Hollywood.

I will say that Billy, who gets casting calls from, you know, Central Casting, got...

Pinged a few times to come work on this hasn't happened yet, but it's filming right now for the next couple of months.

Wait, if they're pinging her, we got to get her on the set.

You got to be the manager on this one and make it happen, Mark.

I'm not in control of that, but

that would be great.

You know,

we have a new Rolling Thunder coming out on Patreon, and Jason and I, Jason Zummalt,

we dive deep into our favorite actors and actresses.

And he had a pretty amazing idea of what might.

So Tarantino and Once Upon a Time, I'll say it quickly, right?

He nullifies nullifies the killing of Sharon Tate at the end, right?

He changes history.

His theory, and I don't mind sharing it here because he's like, why is it in 77?

I was like, well, the one thing that happened in 77 was like

Star Wars came out and changed Hollywood, like blockbusters.

And it's not a Star Wars comment, but just blockbusters became the new thing.

And what if Brad Pitt's character ends up killing George Lucas before Star Wars can come out to change Hollywood forever?

And it's like, It's kind of beautiful.

It's a beautiful concept.

If you read the paperback version of Once Upon a Time that Tarantino released a couple of years after the movie, it really dives in deep in

Booth's love of deep cinema.

He's Tarantino, right?

Don't you think he's basically Tarantino?

Yeah, and foreign films.

And

yes, he feels like a guy that would really rebel against that.

But not that I'm a

have any knowledge of Star Wars, but Star Wars wasn't seen as some crass commercial thing when it was released, right?

It was seen as just like a sci-fi epic that was a huge hit.

Well, it was a true, like, um,

they had budget problems.

It wasn't a high-budget picture, but looking back on things, like the same way we just look back on the Sharon Tate killing, it feels something.

collective and different to us now than it did before it happened.

And like, like Star Wars, for better or worse, changed everything.

And so I think it's kind of like changed film forever, no matter what Star Wars actually was.

It's like blow up the concept of sci-fi blockbuster and keep Hollywood what Cliff Booth truly loved, which was like foreign film at like the New Beverly or at the Arrow Theater, you know?

It's just that, yeah, I won Star Wars, we didn't realize that what it was going to become until years later, right?

Like to he would always have to have that, like to use the Stephen King

JFK book, like he would have to have the knowledge of what Star Wars Wars would bring to the world, like the Avengers movies and all that bullshit.

He wouldn't, yeah.

Anyway, interesting, though.

I like the theory.

I also wonder one last thing.

Like, I put my percentage that Leo shows up as Rick Dalton in this.

I put it

like the same way that Cliff saved Rick's life and the wife of Rick,

his new wife, Cliff Booth essentially saved their lives, right?

Like, does Rick show up at the end of this, Rick Dalton, to save Cliff's life as a friendly payback?

I put the, whether, no matter what the reason he'd be in the film, I put it at 85%.

What do you put it at?

Just because Pitt and DiCaprio are close and it's going to help push the project to a higher level, I would say I'll put it at 95%.

And I also know, again, from that

paperback, which I highly recommend.

It's great.

Totally different than the movie.

Here it is right here, actually.

If you love the movie, read this paperback that Tarantino wrote.

the tate incident in the movie where the movie ends and he goes up the driveway and hangs out with sharon and and and her friends that whole thing obviously becomes a big news story and it revitalizes uh dalton's career and we learn in the 70s and and onward he has he gets more work and it changes the trajectory of his life so he's a figure in hollywood in the 70s so that all checks out

Mark and I nerded out to this one of the one things that Mark and I equally nerd out to.

Yeah.

We like texted him about it all day yesterday.

Okay, last thing.

Doc, I'm going to call this one on the heels of the Tom Brady just absolute.

I mean,

what a ham that guy is.

Okay.

Let's do a little doc ethics check in ourselves.

On the program doc.

This is something we kind of internally flagged, and now we're going to bring it up to you, the listener slash viewer.

This was in a recent commercial ahead of the season premiere.

Go ahead, Justin.

The Smash Hit Doc is back with an explosive season career.

Okay, so Connor, we all bumped up against it because, as the number one doc

podcast out, the NFL podcast,

we had been tracking the ratings of Doc for some time, and the ratings have been very borderline.

Let's throw that up, Justin.

I hope there are NFL fans watching our podcast for the first time right now, trying to make sense of what's going on.

So, Doc, as you see here,

it's done about 2 to 2.5 million viewers in the modern landscape for broadcast television.

Even by modern standards, it's not great.

The ratings have dipped at times.

Not quite a smash hit, Connor.

Yeah.

Well, that got me thinking because the reason that Doc became doc is because she smashed her head off of a window.

So maybe that is

gone memories, Dan said.

It gets funnier every time.

Did we ever play the full clip of that in context?

Because she's listening to,

I think she's like texting her side piece.

Right, because you're the only one that actually watched a show before.

I did watch it.

And in the show, like right before she flips over, she's like on her cell phone, but also listening to

Letting the Days Go By by Talking Heads.

And there's the line that's like, and you may ask yourself, how did I get here?

And so she's definitely going to when she wakes up without without memory.

So foreshadowing.

All right.

So now just to put a bow on this, because journalism and ethics matter to our show.

It's not something, it's not a plaything the way Tom Brady uses it in his newsletter, which I have no interest.

I only have room for one.

Are you allowed to say something's a smash hit?

Is that false advertising?

You know what I mean?

So, and we did a little digging on this AI overview.

Jesus.

Why smash Hit is likely legal.

Can you just ask a person whose job it is to do this?

This is easier.

This is easier.

The FCC does not have specific regulations governing the use of the term Smash Hit in television show promotions.

The FCC is not going to touch it.

The FTC considers Smash Hit to be an example of, quote, puffery, a legal term for an exaggerated subjective claim that no reasonable consumer would take literally.

Go ahead, Connor.

This is an amalgamation of sentences that are scraped by a robot off the web.

If you want information like this, I'll call an expert.

You just tell me, give me like 15 minutes, and I will make it happen for you.

Don't worry about it.

We got ethics on top of ethics right now.

What a, this segue's out of control.

I love it.

But the Smash thing, just one thought to close the book on it, like when that show Chicago Fire was out, right?

They were like TV's hottest drama, right?

And is it, but it's, but it's hot because there's fire.

And I think that's where the smash comes in and some banging problem.

Yeah, yeah, and so I think between characters.

Yeah, well, we're we're presuming or expecting

fading

network drama television to embrace ethics and realism like that that's that's probably the departure point of where this becomes not a problem for me because I don't expect them to tell me the truth about

wait a second.

So you're saying, Connor, that they might be legally, if there was ever, if there was any legal concern, the smash hit is actually the side of her head smashing and hitting the side window.

So

they could always point to that as saying that that's what we meant.

Yeah,

I think so, right?

And there could be countless examples of like

whatever that

show

this is us, right?

It could be like, you know.

This is us, for example.

They could say something like, you know, TV's deadest Thursday or whatever, because the dad, you know, dies in a fire.

That was a smash hit, though, I believe, wasn't it?

I mean, I only knew like a few women that watched it, but like that, that took off.

That show, oh my God, that was the worst show.

Well, we were lucky that we were literally

tragedy porn.

All right, here we go.

We have some breaking news

on the TV beat.

Great way to close the show.

Great timing.

Kizme.

Justin, take it away.

On September the 9th, my inquisitive self sent an email to pr at tubi.tv.

No AI Connor.

Inquiring about the status of Zero Star, the Cam Ward story, which was announced to be premiering in early September.

Like one minute ago, I got a response to my email.

Just happened.

Hi, Justin.

Due to a change in production schedule, Zero Star, the Cam Ward Story, a docuseries produced by Firebrand Media Group, thank you, I didn't need you to include that, will now debut on Tubi later this year.

Best, Andrea.

Not even a date.

Email back and just say, why?

The fact that there's not a date is very ominous.

That's a good thing.

Right, that flows into the other

Yeah.

All right.

There you go.

That covers everything.

Thanks for your support.

And remember, we'll be back on late Thursday, early Friday, depending on where you are, with a full rundown of the week four schedule, preview style, and then, yes, of course, the Thursday night football recap of Seahawks Cardinals.

Make sure you're there for that.

And thank you to Christopher Walken.

Thank you

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