NFL Week 4 Power Rankings + Lions-Ravens MNF Recap

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Speaker 10 Garrett, let's start with the going for it on fourth and two. You make an incredible throw to a Monroe St.
Brown. Why did that play work?

Speaker 5 Yeah, we kind of had that one in our back pocket all day, and I was kind of begging for it throughout the game. And Dan was holding it, and that was perfect going for it.
And it worked great. great.

Speaker 12 Oh, it worked great indeed, Jared Goff.

Speaker 3 Fourth and two near midfield, the game hanging in the balance, and the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 14 It doesn't matter that some of the people on the sideline and

Speaker 3 up in the booth

Speaker 16 have changed.

Speaker 16 This is still the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 This is still Dan Campbell's team.

Speaker 17 This is still Jared Goff's team.

Speaker 19 And yeah, they dial up a beautiful, beautiful pass play on fourth and short for a long gain to who else?

Speaker 21 Amon Ross St. Brown.

Speaker 22 Minutes later, David Montgomery was scampering into the end zone in front of a shocked MNT Bank Stadium.

Speaker 3 Sessler going off and the text chat.

Speaker 12 Always cathartic for Mark when the Ravens go up in flames, especially in a big spot.

Speaker 26 And that they did.

Speaker 21 Final score. Detroit Lions, 38.
Baltimore Ravens, 30.

Speaker 18 Monday night football.

Speaker 29 And a stellar Monday night game.

Speaker 31 And Mark Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler and Justin Graver on the ones and two. Twos.

Speaker 33 Mark, saying, I think after week two, that,

Speaker 31 for instance, in my situation,

Speaker 22 we're about to close in now when this season ends up where it's going to end up.

Speaker 21 A third of my life consecutively, my favorite favorite NFL team will not even make the playoffs, 15 straight years.

Speaker 31 So, to stay in love with the game and involved with it, beyond just something that gives you a paycheck, you got to go chase the joy.

Speaker 23 You got to find the joy.

Speaker 42 For me, that's a team like the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 35 I mean, I have so much fun watching this team, and I love how it's all set against the backdrop.

Speaker 48 You know what it reminds me of, Mark?

Speaker 31 It reminds me of the 2016 Chicago Cubs when you could all rally behind this fun, young team, great personalities, great talent, innovative play, and then you knew the history that they were up against.

Speaker 54 And you kind of, you're chasing that together.

Speaker 31 And yes, that will come in January and February.

Speaker 57 We'll see where the lions go.

Speaker 46 But in the here and now, tonight was another reminder.

Speaker 43 God, this is a fun team to watch.

Speaker 42 This is America's team.

Speaker 58 Yeah,

Speaker 58 we're on a party line. We're of like minds on this.
And you're right, the Cubs and teams like the Cubs that have been,

Speaker 58 you know, dinged by history for decades in a row. The Lions are among that small tribe of teams.

Speaker 58 And to watch this tonight, it's the kind of game where I'm sitting in this little room here watching this game and I am clapping my hands and like screaming, like to who? I don't know.

Speaker 58 I guess to my soul, because it's like I found joy in this game too. And it was for the second week in a row after you decimate the Bears.
You know, the week one raised all these questions, obviously.

Speaker 58 We all get it. Week two kind of was like, all right, well, we don't know what the Bears are, and you went out and sandblasted them, and we feel better.

Speaker 58 But tonight, to go to Baltimore and to run the ball 38 times for 224 yards, to, on a key fourth and two, Dan Campbell dials up what you and I both requested on text.

Speaker 58 You throw that ball and 20 yards to Amon Ron Say Brown, like play of the game to seal it.

Speaker 58 This identity, the identity of the Lions is still intact and their power, their might, seven sacks on Lamar Jackson on the road because I think it's like the Lions have been like this team at home we can trust.

Speaker 58 What does it mean to go to Baltimore against a Lamar Jackson figure who came into the game with 25 touchdowns and zero turnovers on Monday night football, arguably the greatest Monday night football quarterback of all time, and you take down the Ravens?

Speaker 58 This was a huge victory for the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 11 Huge win for the Lions, and you could put to bed, it's the type of win that you put to bed any of that, the summer-long narrative of, okay, have the Lions had a brain drain, as they call it, and have they lost too much personnel from the sidelines and it's going to show up?

Speaker 63 Well, no,

Speaker 23 they've clearly, and big time shout out to Johnny Morton, who had a star turn in this game, the play caller,

Speaker 17 but also on the defensive side of the ball, Kelvin Shepard,

Speaker 65 both Morton and Shepard have huge days.

Speaker 42 Like you said, seven sacks of Lamar Jackson, who strangely seemed to be running in cement, but I don't think that was the case.

Speaker 13 I think that the Lions are big and they're fast and they're long and they chase down and they were relentless against Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 54 So

Speaker 68 you have a defense that is just healthy after being obviously decimated by injuries last year.

Speaker 25 And then an offense that is just when they are in full flight as they were tonight they're just it's just beautiful to watch I mean it is it's football and in in terms of scheme and execution as it's as it's meant to be played at the highest level they have scoring drives of 98 and 96 yards in this game and Baltimore was missing obviously Matabuke which is a big deal for that team you're seeing that

Speaker 22 two out of the three weeks are getting lit up by contenders in the NFL the bills in week one and that big comeback, and now this.

Speaker 31 They have to get some things figured out.

Speaker 41 But yeah, the Lions to me are the biggest story here because this really, I think, was the coming out party after the two weeks of all the Packer celebration and obviously the Eagles doing what the Eagles do, and they're off to another fast start.

Speaker 17 This was the line saying, you know what, do not overlook us as the top dog in this conference, and it's going to be fun to see it all unfold.

Speaker 58 Yeah, they face the recency bias of the week one crash.

Speaker 58 The Ravens have not allowed a 95-yard plus touchdown drive since 2001.

Speaker 58 So like you said, two of them tonight, but it's identity for the Lions because one of them was an 18-play, 98-yard touchdown drive with 13 runs.

Speaker 58 And

Speaker 58 one of them included the touchdown where it was the Amon Ross St. Brown trick pitch to Jameer Gibbs.
So it's again, you're right. From a John Morton angle, it's like Ben Johnson is gone, but

Speaker 58 the folds and the creative creases of this offense are not gone. And maybe it took a couple of weeks.
Like there's no preseason anymore for these guys.

Speaker 58 So it's like it takes a little bit of time, but the creativity is still here.

Speaker 58 And I think that it speaks to Dan Campbell's cultural leadership of this team that like, yes, you lost both your coordinators and it was the big question of the summer.

Speaker 58 And we didn't see it in week one, but you have other people on the staff and like he's obviously downloading, working with them and saying, we're not going to change what we do.

Speaker 58 And it looks like they're just back on track. And I mean, just to watch them run the ball the way they did, dominant.
And, you know, the Ravens quietly,

Speaker 58 like, because of tonight, the Ravens are tied with the Dolphins for the most points allowed through three weeks.

Speaker 58 And the Lions are the kind of team they're going to throw you off course if you're a defense, no matter who you are. And, like, the power and the might of it.

Speaker 58 And they've got a tough schedule, but it's like this team is back. And like, I feel like they're the team, as you said, that bring me, they bring me happiness to watch.

Speaker 26 They're the kind of football when I was young that I enjoyed watching and they are they're they're the duplicate of that that fourth and two again uh just a huge huge moment of the game let me let me check out the play-by-play uh just to know exactly what was happening in that moment they are at

Speaker 22 it is uh right after it's at the two-minute warning so

Speaker 82 they had a bit of a misfortune where there was about a half second difference between the the play clock it was like nine seconds and eight seconds seconds yeah uh and the game clock so they had to run a play so they call a pass um and it's a three-yard gain uh that takes it to 156 clock stops fourth and two at the detroit 49 and at this point it is uh

Speaker 21 31 24

Speaker 34 and you know at that moment they go to commercial at the two-minute break and i i texted you guys and then i go on on twitter and it's the first tweet I sent out for the whole game, even though I was so plugged into the game.

Speaker 87 I was like, screw all this.

Speaker 63 But Dan Campbell, colon,

Speaker 30 be Dan Campbell, hang them onions, and a big spot.

Speaker 89 All caps, okay?

Speaker 59 And I just want to say, I don't want to,

Speaker 43 I don't want to go too crazy with this, and I did check. Uh, Troy Aikman is on Twitter.

Speaker 50 Uh, he hasn't sent a tweet since August 3rd.

Speaker 80 Uh, very active, it's mostly a vehicle to promote his America is awesome light beer.

Speaker 92 But

Speaker 38 after, this is about two or three minutes later, after the huge conversion to Amon Ross St.

Speaker 34 Brown, and this is Aikman's reaction on the ESPN telecast.

Speaker 5 Yeah, maybe they try to hard count, draw him off sides, but didn't appear to be any hesitation from Dan Campbell. Not surprised.

Speaker 94 He's got big onions. I mean,

Speaker 94 this is a bold move.

Speaker 88 Is it possible during the commercial mark

Speaker 73 that someone retweeted me into his feed because connecting Campbell to onions in that spot?

Speaker 63 I mean,

Speaker 64 just

Speaker 43 be honest with me, any chance he saw my tweet during that commercial break and then it was in his head.

Speaker 22 Just, let's be real.

Speaker 58 I'll go one step further. I think there's, you know, I think he's an intense preparation guy.

Speaker 58 There's a chance he's listened to you on the show and that he's heard that drop and then it's been infused into his

Speaker 95 onions. I'd say one quick thing.

Speaker 58 If I were to put together like my top 10 list of males.

Speaker 4 We love the farmer. Maybe

Speaker 58 he keeps going.

Speaker 97 Thank you, Justin.

Speaker 58 Thanks, Justin.

Speaker 17 Just rolls them all out at once. A real tactician.

Speaker 4 Go ahead.

Speaker 58 If I were to list like a top 10 male crush, Justin, what?

Speaker 89 Yes, Justin.

Speaker 58 More from you. What on earth else needs to happen at this point? A Titans update.
Is that what we need?

Speaker 96 This drop predates me. So roll them all out at once, roll them out where they belong.
I don't know. I'm just hitting buttons.

Speaker 9 The guys are

Speaker 9 incredible instincts.

Speaker 20 Okay, Mark, go ahead with your point. Thanks.

Speaker 58 It feels like my point has faded down the stream a little bit. Like, just if I were to list like a top 10

Speaker 58 guy crush on guy crush thing, like Troy Aikman is.

Speaker 77 We know, Mark.

Speaker 27 We know.

Speaker 11 It's actually a little uncomfortable at this point.

Speaker 58 The idea that he's listened to our show and picked up that terminology is

Speaker 58 I will think about that.

Speaker 27 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And in addition to that grade fourth and two call, as you mentioned, the double pitchdon.

Speaker 34 The double pitch touchdown, Jared Goff tossed to Monroe St.

Speaker 18 Brown to Jameer Gibbs for that touchdown to put Detroit up 28-21.

Speaker 65 That was on fourth down as well.

Speaker 56 So like in a huge moment, they could have kicked the field goal there to go up 24-21,

Speaker 69 but to go for it and then not just go for it, to pull a trick play out of their book and not a trick play that they've run in a game.

Speaker 71 In fact,

Speaker 20 according to our old friend Steve Weisch at NFL Media, Jameer Gibbs said that the double pitch touchdown had been in their playbook for three years and that was the first time they ran it.

Speaker 50 I mean, these are onions the size of planets.

Speaker 100 And

Speaker 4 yeah.

Speaker 5 And I'll show you a little bit about growing huge onions.

Speaker 32 And on the Ravens side of it,

Speaker 42 yeah, I think there's reason to be concerned.

Speaker 16 The defense, obviously, like we said, they're missing some guys, and I think they'll figure some things out.

Speaker 54 They typically do.

Speaker 101 The Derrick Henry thing, am I worried about Derrick Henry?

Speaker 42 Me personally, no.

Speaker 65 I think he's still Derrick Henry.

Speaker 13 I think three fumbles in three weeks, though, is the type of stuff that's getting Ramondre Stevens shot to the moon in New England.

Speaker 78 But this is an all-time player who's just in the equivalent of a running back slump.

Speaker 59 Did you see some of the sideline shots?

Speaker 43 Do you have that, Justin? Some of the sideline sideline shots after he comes off the field, and I don't know, did he get benched?

Speaker 67 Because he didn't come back in the game after this occurred.

Speaker 65 This is the second time in three weeks a late fourth quarter fumble dooms the team.

Speaker 54 He's in shock. Look at his eyes.

Speaker 48 I mean, this is not what you're used to seeing.

Speaker 48 And then as they're going to break, he slams his helmet down on the little post behind the benches and he slumps himself onto the bench, which we've seen him do before, but just a little bit like this is a man that's going through it right now this is not the derrick henry we're used to

Speaker 58 i agree because it's two game altering game ending turnovers and fumbles and that's not what he's about i'm not concerned um in the sense that if you go back and look at the season on hole 169 yards and two touchdowns against the bills And he was nullified against the Browns, but we're learning that the Browns defense does that to everyone.

Speaker 58 And tonight, I don't know if it's a game script thing, but the turnover was bad. He's got to look at that.
And I think that his emotion is like, this is not who he is.

Speaker 58 Like, this guy works harder in the offseason than maybe any other running back out there. So I'm not worried about what's ahead.

Speaker 58 They played two really great teams in Buffalo and Detroit, and it just went that way tonight.

Speaker 58 He doesn't stand out to me as like, I'm concerned about Derrick Henry, but

Speaker 34 we'll roll out our week four power rankings and we'll see where the Ravens Ravens fall after this one. Like, yeah, I think Henry will be okay.

Speaker 61 I think

Speaker 15 this was not a great Lamar Jackson game by his standards.

Speaker 20 He didn't have the same escapability against this Detroit front seven.

Speaker 75 He also put some balls up for grabs.

Speaker 13 He should have had a pass intercepted by Branch at one point, and he couldn't seem to will this team

Speaker 31 to the finish line like he typically does, but he'll be okay also.

Speaker 105 I mean, but, you know, at the end of the day, they are one and two, and they have two very high-profile island losses that, you know, when they're nine and three in a month and a half or whatever, like, we'll probably look back at this and be like, see, we were right.

Speaker 36 There was no reason to panic.

Speaker 75 But at the same time, it doesn't change the fact that they've had two huge showcase games to show that they are the team to beat.

Speaker 20 And in both cases, they've lost kind of in dramatic fashion.

Speaker 34 So for a team that is in the old Steinbrenner doctrine place of win the championship or failure, it's an inauspicious start to their season.

Speaker 58 It is.

Speaker 58 I really don't want to like over

Speaker 58 dramatize it, though, because I think you're right. Like, I mean, their schedule is brutal, and they lost to two teams that have to be top five in our power rankings, if not top three.

Speaker 70 But when you're the Ravens, there's no such thing as a brutal schedule, right?

Speaker 34 Because you're supposed to be a team that no matter who's on the schedule, you expect to win, right?

Speaker 64 Like, I think there's a, I don't know, maybe it's just someone.

Speaker 30 Especially in the regular season, because the regular season is a brutal schedule and like big challenges, right?

Speaker 24 Like big games, big showdowns.

Speaker 54 So to see them kind of blink in both of these games,

Speaker 65 it's a frustrating situation.

Speaker 58 I always, and this is, this is my, I have a little bit of anti-Raven sentiment in general, but it's more just observing, well, just observing them like from a subjective angle. Like,

Speaker 58 I kind of just wait. I always feel like it's just a wait until they crumble type of thing.

Speaker 58 But it never happens in the regular season. We all, everyone feels that way, right? But

Speaker 58 these are the best teams, and you're right, in the sense that, like, had you toppled one of them, we feel very differently about you. You toppled neither of these two teams.

Speaker 91 All right.

Speaker 78 Anything else from this game, Mark, before we

Speaker 58 one thing about the Lions that kind of

Speaker 58 I think we both have a little bit of a Lions fascination right now?

Speaker 58 When you got Jack Campbell, who gets hit

Speaker 58 right in the lip,

Speaker 58 he's got a bloody lip, his mouth is bleeding, and he just goes back out there on the next drive with a gigantic band-aid over his. They're like, they tried to stop the bleeding.

Speaker 58 Nice job by the medical staff. And he's right back out.

Speaker 8 They're like, great job by the medical staff.

Speaker 58 That's what I love about these lions. Like, just, he's, this is not Judy Eve from Accounting.
This is Jack Campbell from the Detroit Lions. So, yeah.

Speaker 79 Yeah. Good job.
I love it. That's smash mouth.

Speaker 11 That's tough.

Speaker 60 We got Dan Quinn with the bleeding nose

Speaker 100 on Sunday.

Speaker 31 And now you have a split up lip for a linebacker.

Speaker 34 And from the NFC North, that's football.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 17 All right.

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Speaker 49 Some quick news to get caught up on.

Speaker 50 And there's some big, big, big news to get caught up on.

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Speaker 41 All right, we are back.

Speaker 108 Welcome back. Monday night.

Speaker 18 Oh, I love these Monday shows, Mark.

Speaker 30 We're nice and loose.

Speaker 62 We're having a good time.

Speaker 18 Good old time on the old HTC.

Speaker 59 Maybe just me. I don't know.

Speaker 58 No, I'm having a nice time. I hope Justin is too.
Seemed a little bit on edge before the show, but.

Speaker 68 Lizzie? Justin, how are you?

Speaker 96 I'm good. I am building the power rankings graphics right now, and I estimate I have like 15 to 20 minutes to finish that before we get to the segment, at which point, we'll need to show them.

Speaker 96 So, just working away, you know, multitasking.

Speaker 77 All right, get back to it.

Speaker 92 We'll uh try to, yeah, we'll try to keep uh

Speaker 45 we'll try to keep it from getting too overwhelming for you.

Speaker 21 Uh, Mark and I will do the uh heavy lifting here.

Speaker 85 Uh, let's get caught up on some news.

Speaker 6 What did Payne Durham say to you when he wrapped his arm around you in the time?

Speaker 10 Me and Payne have a relationship not many people know about, and we're secret lovers.

Speaker 98 I mean, you gotta like

Speaker 59 you gotta know Todd Bowles

Speaker 20 or have an understanding who Todd Bowles is to truly appreciate him making a tossed-off reference to

Speaker 21 someone in the football realm being his like secret lover.

Speaker 39 I mean, that's didn't see that one coming.

Speaker 49 That's the type of stuff when a coach is

Speaker 14 and he knows in the back of his mind that he could easily be 0-3,

Speaker 78 you know, you're feeling a little flip and you're making some like, you know, fun gay jokes in a big spot.

Speaker 58 Yeah, yes, you are. And like, this is not a typically, verbally not a Rex Ryan figure.

Speaker 58 Right. So you're right.
Or.

Speaker 101 And we love fun gay jokes on this show.

Speaker 73 Like, oh, we do.

Speaker 13 On the screen, on the screen.

Speaker 74 I mean, so we're all about it.

Speaker 58 We thrive off them. But like from another angle, it could be true.
We don't know. Like, it's a joke to everyone else.
Maybe not a joke.

Speaker 101 Maybe not. You're right.

Speaker 88 Who was that one you were talking about? Who was the

Speaker 58 tight end?

Speaker 85 Sorry, Justin.

Speaker 58 It's their tight, one of the tight ends, right?

Speaker 96 Payne Durham.

Speaker 109 Yeah.

Speaker 58 So Payne Durham. I'm not to add like another nor innuendo to that, but like I know, right?

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 39 Interesting name to be connected to such a thing.

Speaker 73 All right, let's get into it.

Speaker 9 We didn't really hit on this on Sunday night, but that's okay because the Sunday night show is packed and we gave about

Speaker 85 10, 12 minutes to the Giants Chiefs game.

Speaker 44 The one thing we didn't really get into, Mark, so I'm glad we have a chance now,

Speaker 84 is

Speaker 62 the Giants fans at MetLife Stadium, obviously by the second half and through the fourth quarter, are pretty loudly booing Russell Wilson and the offense for some of the play calling.

Speaker 34 Anytime they were running the football, when they were down to scores in the final eight minutes, which is understandable.

Speaker 8 Some of the play calling, Russell Wilson just continually firing the ball through the back of the end zone

Speaker 14 when they were just trying to get it back to one score and he couldn't even get that touchdown to make the game interesting.

Speaker 111 The crowd's going nuts.

Speaker 50 And then notably, Collinsworth on the telecast, and maybe we could connect this to the Tom Brady controversy.

Speaker 19 I always pay attention when a color guy, especially one with the level of prestige of a Collinsworth, kind of makes a comment that arches my eyebrow about what's happening inside a building.

Speaker 34 And he says something along the lines of, you know, you talk to people in and around the Giants and they love this kid, Jackson Dart.

Speaker 95 And there is a, and now I'm paraphrasing, but basically there's a real drumbeat to make this kid

Speaker 24 someone that's doing things on the field as opposed to just being this hope that rests off it or just jogs on the field for running plays.

Speaker 40 So

Speaker 98 that tells me that there's some murmurings and some rumblings inside that building that it's time to put Dart on the field in a developmental year for the Giants.

Speaker 78 The crowd and the Giants fans are already fired up about it.

Speaker 31 Dable's already been inundated with questions.

Speaker 34 And naturally, after a difficult, frustrating loss to the Chiefs, he was asked about it.

Speaker 32 He put them off on Sunday night, but on Monday,

Speaker 62 the questions returned.

Speaker 31 Now, I haven't heard any of this yet. I heard from a friend in New York, Mark, on a text chain.
Oh, it sounds like it's time it's going to happen, that he's going to switch from Wilson to Dart.

Speaker 32 Let's listen in and let's decide.

Speaker 107 Good.

Speaker 113 So, Russ remains the starter moving forward?

Speaker 114 Yeah, I mean, we're working through all personnel decisions, and we'll do that over the next few days.

Speaker 4 Hmm.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 4 Sam, Dog in.

Speaker 113 Hold on, Tom. You're not saying Russ is the starter, right?

Speaker 107 You're saying you're still working through that?

Speaker 82 Yeah, we're doing what we normally do, which is

Speaker 19 watch the tape.

Speaker 114 We're just watching it with the players right now. So,

Speaker 114 you know, we'll have staff meetings after this, but we watch the

Speaker 114 when we come in, we watch the tape,

Speaker 114 offense, defense, kicking game as a staff, and then we go meet with the players. That's where we're at right now.

Speaker 113 Most Monday afternoons, you know who your quarterback's going to be the upcoming week if everyone's healthy, though.

Speaker 107 It seems a little different. Your responses.

Speaker 113 New York.

Speaker 109 Yeah. Well, look, we're going going through the tape right now.

Speaker 82 We're evaluating everything.

Speaker 113 So quarterback change is on the table.

Speaker 82 I'd say we're evaluating everything.

Speaker 109 Bye-bye.

Speaker 107 Just turn it up. When would you like to have a decision on who are you going to start quarterback?

Speaker 114 Yeah, I'm not saying who's starting or who's not starting, Dan. I'm just saying we're evaluating everything.

Speaker 47 This doesn't happen in Atlanta, by the way.

Speaker 115 We're going through the tape from yesterday, and we're evaluating, you know, every position right now.

Speaker 73 All right.

Speaker 112 And Giants fans know Dable was similar in some of his language and wording when he moved off Daniel Jones last season, who was benched a couple days later and then eventually cut.

Speaker 48 The schedule matters here.

Speaker 101 Mark, I'm going to go reading,

Speaker 41 I'm going to hear all that.

Speaker 34 My theory is that they will go with Wilson this week against the Chargers

Speaker 108 and

Speaker 24 give Wilson another shot.

Speaker 19 He gets a very tough Chargers defense.

Speaker 32 And then if that doesn't go well next week in New Orleans against the Wobegone Saints, maybe you put Dart out there.

Speaker 65 So I'm going to say he sticks with Wilson, but there's a lot of wording there that's classic coach speak for a making a change.

Speaker 34 What do you think?

Speaker 58 It's tilted in that way

Speaker 58 95%

Speaker 58 because, you know, I think Dayball came into the season as

Speaker 58 the hottest seat. in town and I kind of don't care about the schedule because the schedule never lets up.

Speaker 58 You can put them in there against the Saints, but then you've got the Eagles twice over the next three weeks sandwich around the Broncos and then the Niners. It just kind of gets worse and worse.

Speaker 58 You're an NFL quarterback. You're Jackson Dart.

Speaker 58 You got to play these teams. It's like, go find out.
Because I think in New York, New York is different than, like you said, Atlanta or Jacksonville or somewhere else. Like when you've got...

Speaker 58 what I still want to call just giant stadium, sorry, but like you've got them going mad and booing like they were were and that's being audibly noted on television and then dayball who day ball could be gone in three weeks if things get any worse what what is the purpose i guess what is the purpose of russell wilson if what happened against the cowboys repeated itself this week everything's rosy but the russell wilson we just got is stopping the fans, the team, the coaching staff from maybe finding new hope in a rookie that everyone has fallen for.

Speaker 58 So I don't see the purpose of Russell Wilson at this point. I'm not surprised that it's happening sooner than some thought, but

Speaker 58 go with it. Make a change.
I don't know why. I don't understand why you'd stick with Russell Wilson for another month.

Speaker 25 By the way, there's no romance to Mad Life Stadium, buddy.

Speaker 33 It ain't Giants Stadium.

Speaker 106 Oh,

Speaker 58 I agree that it's

Speaker 58 flavorless.

Speaker 17 The Oasis concert.

Speaker 25 That is the worst stadium that exists in this country.

Speaker 22 It's as ugly as it is on the outside as it is on the inside.

Speaker 25 And that was a shared bill between the Jets and Giants.

Speaker 24 and you could tell they got it on discount so you know

Speaker 43 a minor aside but

Speaker 65 so do you think there is dart playing against the chargers

Speaker 58 i think so come on sese get off the i think so yeah i don't know how you do this for another week because again you're at home again if you were going to la maybe you roll with russell wilson because it's a it's an environment that does not care about this but it's you're back in at home against the same season ticket holders and fan base.

Speaker 11 All right.

Speaker 33 I'm going to split the baby here.

Speaker 77 I don't think that's the right use of the expression.

Speaker 58 We like to do that.

Speaker 34 Russell Wilson starts.

Speaker 31 Russell Wilson struggles.

Speaker 34 Dart comes in at halftime for the third quarter.

Speaker 31 And the Dart era is, as the Boo Birds begin to take over MetLife Stadium,

Speaker 34 as the teams go to the tunnel.

Speaker 25 It's Dart who emerges as QB1 and the Dart era begins.

Speaker 18 And, you know, we'll talk about this with Connor because maybe there'll be an announcement by later in the week.

Speaker 66 But this always felt like the most, that's why I was so surprised by Connor's take about Wilson and that he thought he was going to hold on to the job and play well.

Speaker 45 So many things were stacked against him.

Speaker 88 And Dable, also, I had Dable the hottest seat when we did the hot butt rankings.

Speaker 78 You guys talk me out of it because there was so much Giants' optimism.

Speaker 43 Like this was always just a major powder keg situation.

Speaker 49 And sure enough, against a tough schedule, they're 0-3.

Speaker 27 And now this is what happens.

Speaker 57 You have a young charismatic rookie quarterback who's a first-round pick and a progress stopper veteran.

Speaker 49 And something's got to give.

Speaker 32 And Dayballs is probably throwing up his hands at this point.

Speaker 62 And he's like, I got to just make this move.

Speaker 23 It's holding the whole team hostage in a way, right?

Speaker 58 I like your halftime switch.

Speaker 58 That feels like a kind of a cunning, smart Dayball move where it's like, you get it. We're all going to watch you get it in real time in the middle of the game, and it's confirmed.

Speaker 58 I still think it could happen before that. Like,

Speaker 58 I don't get the Russell Wilson thing at this point, but you can't look at the schedule because it never lets up. And so it's like, go play the kid.

Speaker 58 We're not asking him to save the day, but change the energy.

Speaker 43 Yeah, because that giant team, it does have pieces.

Speaker 83 I know why there was optimism around them, because there's some exciting pieces both on the offense and the defense.

Speaker 61 And

Speaker 44 they just need that little kind of supercharge with the rookie.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 89 Another news.

Speaker 73 Terrible, terrible, terrible news out of San Francisco.

Speaker 62 The 49ers cannot catch a break, man.

Speaker 61 Late in

Speaker 33 San Francisco's win on Sunday, Nick Bosa plants his leg, his knee buckles.

Speaker 18 And, you know, they were hoping that testing on Monday would not reveal a worst case scenario, but indeed, Bosa has torn his right ACL.

Speaker 16 He will miss the rest of the season.

Speaker 44 Shanahan said that he was pretty confident, Bosa was, that he had torn it on Sunday.

Speaker 35 This is a guy that had a partial tear of his ACL in high school, tore his ACL at the sardine can in the Meadowlands a few years ago and blamed it on the turf, that notorious turf there, and now has done it again.

Speaker 73 So he's going to need season-ending surgery, and that's a huge loss.

Speaker 35 You lose the 2022 NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 21 You just took a big step back in your goal of getting back to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 58 It's a test of how much the Niners believe in themselves this season because

Speaker 58 you're really thin at that position. You got Mikkel Williams, Bryce Huff, Gross Matos.
Like there's not a lot going on there.

Speaker 58 Robert Sala, I wonder how much influence he has behind the scene, but

Speaker 58 do you trade for someone? Like a name that was quietly whispered about. I don't know why the Jaguars would do this, but someone like Josh Hines-Allen, like, do you make a big trade?

Speaker 58 I'd say this about the Niners. If anything, they're bold.
Like, they make big, bold moves because they believe that they're always on this doorstep of a Super Bowl.

Speaker 58 And so do you go and fortify that position? Bosa,

Speaker 58 he made like huge plays against the Seahawks and Saints at the end of those games. And, you know, we saw him walking off the field and he looked up into the crowd and just put his thumb down.

Speaker 58 And you kind of knew something was going on. Like, he knows his own body.
He's had multiple ACL tears at this point. So you're right.
The Niners, I feel like at every position, there's like,

Speaker 58 what would this starting lineup have been? And what are they right now?

Speaker 58 They're resilient, but at some point, the bow breaks.

Speaker 109 Yeah.

Speaker 80 And this is a team that already

Speaker 18 was featuring eight new starters in week one.

Speaker 21 And Bosa was the anchor holding the whole thing together in the front seven.

Speaker 18 And now he's out the door.

Speaker 35 My feelings about the 49ers, despite the 3-0 start, are that

Speaker 85 I think there are two teams in that division I feel better about right now.

Speaker 34 And, you know, maybe Brock Purdy comes back and he's healthy and they start, you know, to, and Brandy Ayu comes back and CMC stays on the field and Pierce Hall continues his breakout and Trent Williams stays healthy.

Speaker 57 Maybe all these things happen,

Speaker 103 but maybe this is just a team that's

Speaker 73 breaking down again for the second straight year and they're just going to have to take a different path at it.

Speaker 68 Let's see what happens.

Speaker 58 But their injured players could beat various teams around the league.

Speaker 90 Right.

Speaker 31 Which is after last year, they were probably saying, oh, injury regression, positive regression for us.

Speaker 103 We'll be one of the healthier teams, right?

Speaker 101 Right?

Speaker 11 No, it didn't work out that way.

Speaker 98 The Cowboys, speaking of like just really crushing losses, CeeDee Lamb,

Speaker 79 and I'm not sure who was on the telecast, who was on the call of Cowboys Bears yesterday,

Speaker 30 but made the good point.

Speaker 23 Can you check that, Justin?

Speaker 30 Made the good point that one thing about giving a wide receiver

Speaker 26 working in

Speaker 103 end around and handoffs and those type of plays is it changes both angles that you're taking as he's trying to get around the corner in a situation.

Speaker 27 Also, who's tackling you?

Speaker 78 It goes from a corner or a safety to now.

Speaker 17 There's a big ass linebacker that is collapsing on top of you who's Tom Brady.

Speaker 88 It was Tom Brady.

Speaker 58 Okay, because Tom Brady, like, well, we can get into that another time, but he had some interesting things.

Speaker 103 Yeah, Brady.

Speaker 32 Brady said, yeah, you put your wide receiver in a bit of a tricky spot potentially because now you have a big, heavy, fast linebacker collapsing on your body.

Speaker 35 And in this case, that's what happened to C.D. Lamb.

Speaker 39 He gets caught underneath.

Speaker 78 It's a high-ankle sprain.

Speaker 31 It's the dreaded high-ankle sprain.

Speaker 35 Jerry Jones says that the team

Speaker 78 is contemplating putting him on IR, which would shelve him four weeks.

Speaker 73 And the report's out there that it's a two- to four-week injury.

Speaker 22 And I don't know, Mark, with the Cowboys defense being what it is, which is arguably right now the worst in football,

Speaker 47 maybe the Ravens is worse. I don't know.

Speaker 105 Probably not.

Speaker 105 But

Speaker 99 you have a remarkable amount of pressure on Dak and CeeDee Lamb to be MVP/slash Offensive Player of the Year level.

Speaker 34 And now you just took one of those guys out of the picture.

Speaker 78 And now it's Dak and George Pickens.

Speaker 17 And again, the bow might be breaking in Dallas because they can't afford to lose this guy for a quarter of the season.

Speaker 58 I think we see Pickens as a really good number two paired with CeeDee Lamb. I don't like what's happening there at all.
Their whole skill position lineup is a little dubious.

Speaker 58 They're not a balanced offense.

Speaker 58 They're able to get yardage on the ground, but there's been turnovers there. And

Speaker 58 they don't strike fear into the heart. And their defense made.
Russell Wilson, who we've just discussed, look like the Montana-led 89-9ers in that Giants team. So this is a bad football team.

Speaker 58 And, you know,

Speaker 58 it's great to be in the offseason with the Cowboys. Then football starts.
But to lose CeeDee Lamb, it's like, you know, it's like your own fantasy team. Like when one of these guys disappears,

Speaker 58 there's not much else you can do. And I don't know how the Cowboys get out of this.
I didn't have a lot of trust in them to begin with. A little feisty, but terrible defense.

Speaker 89 I think they were.

Speaker 112 I think they were a feisty team.

Speaker 112 And I think they can be a feisty team.

Speaker 106 And

Speaker 24 even the defense, even the defense, the secondary has been a mess but they've they've shown some flashes in terms of getting after the quarterback and dak was playing and is playing at a at a high level so far this season but you can't take they don't have enough depth to handle the loss of someone as special as cd lamb um i was kind of pegging them as maybe the most entertaining like eight and nine or nine and eight team in football but I don't know how they get out of this stretch with Lamb either hurt or compromised out or compromised with anything less than like a one and three record if it is four weeks.

Speaker 14 And then you look at their schedule and where they're at,

Speaker 34 the season's kind of over.

Speaker 17 So it's gut check time in Dallas.

Speaker 44 They got to figure some stuff out.

Speaker 57 Eberflues got to figure some stuff out on that defense.

Speaker 58 Well, I think Eberflus' defense does not fit.

Speaker 58 They've had so many defensive coordinator changes that you draft for someone that's going to be there for five or six years and you go from defense A to B to C and you've got the wrong players in there.

Speaker 58 And then look, like you can parse the Micah Parsons trade, that's a weird way to say that, any way you want, but like

Speaker 58 your best defensive player and the best player in your team outside of maybe Dak Prescott is gone. And then your best offensive player outside of Dak Prescott is gone.

Speaker 58 So good luck with that in the NFL.

Speaker 112 This is called a classic tough sitch.

Speaker 28 Yes.

Speaker 74 In other news, you know,

Speaker 18 I don't know if you noticed it, Ceci, because you were early on the Packers bandwagon.

Speaker 57 Was it starting to get a little crowded on that bandwagon?

Speaker 78 Are you starting to get a little claustrophobic in the last week or so after they got to 2-0?

Speaker 58 Absolutely. And other media types were like, we don't see you on national television, so we want to push you to the back of the wagon.

Speaker 58 And maybe the flap on the back of the wagon opens and we just toss you off, and they forget about the fact that you, you know, initially built the wagon, but that's okay. Right.

Speaker 109 Right, exactly.

Speaker 63 Exactly.

Speaker 53 And

Speaker 78 here's the thing: there was so much love about the Packers, starting from the evening that

Speaker 80 Parsons got traded to the Packers through week two, that

Speaker 112 clearly maybe some of the Packers were reading headlines, like Packers' offensive tackle Rashid Walker, who proclaimed last week, and this got past all of us.

Speaker 112 Maybe it didn't get past you, Mark, but you suppressed it on the bandwagon.

Speaker 91 It did.

Speaker 31 Walker proclaimed last week that he believed the Packers could go undefeated.

Speaker 45 They're 2-0.

Speaker 17 You want to talk about these young guys that are two online?

Speaker 62 You have to imagine they must think they were, you know, king shit of Mountain, right?

Speaker 84 To say we might go undefeated.

Speaker 45 We're 2-0.

Speaker 57 Anyway, he told reporters, I think we can go undefeated, honestly. I look at these teams and I don't really see who's better than us.

Speaker 89 Shut up.

Speaker 89 Shut up.

Speaker 19 The football gods don't like that either.

Speaker 57 And sure enough, they go to Cleveland and get beat by the Browns in week three.

Speaker 20 And Matt LaFleur LaFleur was asked about all this.

Speaker 51 And obviously, Matt LaFleur, who would much rather you spout a bunch of cliches about keeping your opponent in front of you and not look beyond one week, is not happy with

Speaker 34 an offensive tackle talking about winning 15 more times.

Speaker 118 I don't think Sheed was planning on making a proclamation that you guys would go undefeated. I think he kind of got riffing a little bit.

Speaker 115 But I think it's always a good reminder, like, hey, guys, like, pump the brakes on everything.

Speaker 115 We're just trying to win one game at a time. And, like, if you're thinking or have your sight set on anything outside of that, I think

Speaker 115 you're focused on the wrong things. Like, we got to be focused on trying to get better.
Obviously, today, the focus is on, first of all, being honest about the tape and what the tape says. And then,

Speaker 115 you know, learning from that. And then it's moving on.

Speaker 16 Obviously, Mark, that was a confusing situation for you on Sunday.

Speaker 34 The team of Mark defeating the team of Mark.

Speaker 58 Well, that's how life works.

Speaker 80 But here's the good news for your Packers.

Speaker 87 They get at Dallas

Speaker 38 without CeeDee Lamb, home Cincinnati without Joe Burrow, at Arizona

Speaker 11 with Kyler Mooney.

Speaker 112 So they should be able to get their groove back, unless there's some type of football god slash,

Speaker 32 you know, curse of Sessler that sidewinds them here.

Speaker 58 It's,

Speaker 58 you know, I've thought about exactly what you just said because

Speaker 58 I do not wish ill on entire football operations.

Speaker 58 We'll get to the power rankings.

Speaker 58 I think this was a case of like the Cleveland Browns defense, not a good football team overall, but like

Speaker 58 three weeks in a row, this defense

Speaker 119 has blown people up. They're the greatest defense.
I'm not saying they are.

Speaker 58 It's just that, like, I think at home,

Speaker 58 I also think that the,

Speaker 58 did, do the Packers, were they a team that looked past Cleveland to Dallas?

Speaker 58 Like, are teams doing that? Because I think it's very granular. And you can't, like, I'm sure the Browns are an easy team to think, like, we'll go in there and just be what we are.
But

Speaker 58 they really weren't themselves.

Speaker 58 Do I think that they're going to

Speaker 58 go lose games? No. Like, I think they're, this is like a 12-13 win team.

Speaker 47 Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 18 This will work out for them in the end.

Speaker 24 They just needed to be taken down a peg, and offensive linemen need to just, you know, chill.

Speaker 110 The Falcons have made a move after getting shut out

Speaker 18 30-0 by the Panthers

Speaker 108 in one of the, you know,

Speaker 112 big, like, how dare you expect me to take you seriously after this games of the season.

Speaker 57 They decide they have to take it out on someone.

Speaker 11 They fire receivers coach Ike Hilliard, former that guy from the Giants, and passing game coordinator.

Speaker 33 Oh, no, excuse me, passing game coordinator TJ Yates will assume those duties.

Speaker 64 Wait, TJ Yates?

Speaker 88 Is it that TJ Yates?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think it's he's going to be the wide receivers.

Speaker 58 At this point, every player that we covered is now a coach for the most part, unless they're doing something.

Speaker 65 He's a quarterback.

Speaker 65 Why would you have a quarterback?

Speaker 8 Maybe that's something that happens in the league, but

Speaker 20 it kind of almost is like it's a bit of a tell, like, maybe we don't need a wide receivers coach.

Speaker 58 That's a fair point.

Speaker 31 If you could just send the quarterback, and not even like a gifted athlete of a quarterback.

Speaker 34 This is like, oh, well, in high school, I had 400 catches for Lamont High.

Speaker 112 I'm TJ Yates.

Speaker 92 Now, clearly, TJ Yates was not that type of athlete, right?

Speaker 83 And now he's the wide receivers coach.

Speaker 41 What wide receiver is going to take any

Speaker 49 instruction from TJ Yates.

Speaker 95 Answer me that, Mark.

Speaker 58 Well, counterpoint.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 58 What quarterback would be glommed to opinions from TJ Yates if you watched a lot of TJ Yates? So it's like maybe.

Speaker 51 I get that, but we live in a world where like Dan Orlofsky is the number one quarterback analyst in media right now or the hottest one.

Speaker 18 And Orlovsky's claim to fame is running out of the back of the end zone for a winless Lions team.

Speaker 31 Like, I can get like the.

Speaker 58 Those who can't do teach.

Speaker 57 Yeah, like I can get the, and that's not a shot of Orlovsky, but like the he is a quarterback, so even if he wasn't a high-level quarterback as a player because he didn't have the physical abilities, he knows the game, he understands it, he could talk about the mental aspect of it or what is expected from you physically.

Speaker 33 Uh, but what is Yates going to teach my wide receiver?

Speaker 34 What is TJ Yates, Mark, gonna teach Drake London about playing wide receiver?

Speaker 11 This, this has, you know what, it's like half

Speaker 58 Falcons in chaos, five and twelve.

Speaker 88 Okay.

Speaker 58 Five and twelve.

Speaker 58 You delight in this too, because I think for years you've been wanting, right? I do. You've been wanting to unplug the Falcons

Speaker 58 whispers.

Speaker 4 And here you go.

Speaker 57 Every year, this is the one thing that you know the old Zeuser is going to get right.

Speaker 95 Sessler and all the other Jabrones are going to say, oh, the Falcons, oh, the Falcons.

Speaker 60 And then Dan's going to say, no,

Speaker 49 they're the Falcons. They're dysfunctional and will not be good.
And guess what?

Speaker 40 That is always the case.

Speaker 69 Without fail.

Speaker 58 You've been right so far. So I can't, I don't have a huge comeback on that.
Like, I think it's like TJ Yates.

Speaker 89 Wide receivers.

Speaker 58 When you do go hire the defensive head coach, like

Speaker 58 there is a kind of thing where I think offense and defense are different like worlds.

Speaker 58 And the offense gets into these chaotic things where it's like, you don't have a head coach plugged into your quarterback, plugged into the offense the same way.

Speaker 58 And that could be a case here.

Speaker 58 I'm not panicking, though, about Michael Pennix yet when he's, that was his fifth start. Like, like we're watching backup quarterbacks and old quarterbacks revive their careers left and right.

Speaker 58 Like, I'm not panicking over someone after five starts.

Speaker 58 But that was.

Speaker 58 But we pumped it.

Speaker 56 I guess the bigger issue is people took a lot.

Speaker 34 And one of the grave sins one can make is taking too much out of three starts by a young quarterback in early January or late December.

Speaker 99 Like, too much was expected of him to be stepping in and all of a sudden be a difference maker when he's, yeah, to your point, he's just learning how to play at this level still.

Speaker 34 So it's going to take some time and patience.

Speaker 23 Do the Falcons have it?

Speaker 17 Does Arthur Blank have that at 99 years old or whatever?

Speaker 47 Like, we'll see.

Speaker 58 Well, we know one last thing. Like, when you start firing assistants and like generating scapegoats left and right, who comes next?

Speaker 58 Like, we'll see where we are by the end of this season with Raheem Morris.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I didn't love, although one thing that I've proven to be wrong about was many things, but

Speaker 81 I was very vocal that Bill Belichick should have been hired, not Raheem Morris.

Speaker 81 I don't know if Bill Belichick was the right guy.

Speaker 58 Can you imagine that malarkey happening on the NFL side?

Speaker 44 Yeah, I don't think Jordan Hudson

Speaker 34 is going to be on the sideline at Mercedes-Benz Stadium before an NFL game, but God, who knows?

Speaker 57 I mean,

Speaker 112 we kind of missed out on this.

Speaker 68 Let's be be honest. That would have been awesome.

Speaker 18 But I also like, I remember there was a lot of even Raheem Morris hype.

Speaker 45 And I'm like, damn, I've been covering this league for 15 years.

Speaker 8 I remember Raheem Morris as a head coach in Tampa.

Speaker 69 It didn't go well.

Speaker 19 And then the hiring was like, oh, they got the right guy.

Speaker 120 They got Raheem Morris. It's like, what?

Speaker 95 Four years ago, they couldn't wait to get him out of the building with the Bucks.

Speaker 58 I think it's reporter coach relationships.

Speaker 58 It is.

Speaker 37 All right.

Speaker 88 Oh, they're also, this is fun too, Mark.

Speaker 8 You know, you gotta love the Falcons are also moving OC Zach Robinson down to the field to play call there as opposed to the coaching box.

Speaker 17 Yes, that's that was the issue.

Speaker 58 That was.

Speaker 58 Get him down.

Speaker 109 We're good.

Speaker 58 We're good now.

Speaker 43 These are all the signs of a team that is about to explode.

Speaker 58 And it's not even late, it's barely late September. So, yes.

Speaker 96 I saw a theory that the Zach Robinson move is to help Pennex,

Speaker 96 not to help Robinson, but so that Pennex has that face-to-face communication between series.

Speaker 9 You know what I miss?

Speaker 67 You know what I miss?

Speaker 49 That's good, Justin. Thank you.

Speaker 74 Like, you know what I miss?

Speaker 35 The old days when a series would end, a quarterback would throw an interception or a drive would get sabotaged by a sack or a drop, and then you'd cut to Neil O'Donnell and he'd be on the phone, just be on the phone, just talking it out on the rotary phone.

Speaker 33 Yeah, right up to the booth.

Speaker 85 So maybe that's what the problem was.

Speaker 27 What are they not doing that for?

Speaker 8 Is that because it's in in their helmets now?

Speaker 85 They just keep their helmets on and they talk.

Speaker 73 What is that?

Speaker 58 Yeah, you've got communication with coaches 20 years.

Speaker 11 Phone's back. Yeah.

Speaker 62 Give me like Aunt Brenda's phone back.

Speaker 71 You know what I mean?

Speaker 14 Like, I want Aunt Brenda's big, like, push-button phone on the sideline back.

Speaker 58 Well, she should stop being so selfish. She needs her own phone.
Well, like, we, a team had this phone, and now remember that was like a big conch.

Speaker 103 It was like a seashell.

Speaker 85 It was like, bang, now it's in my ear.

Speaker 4 Stupid.

Speaker 58 Neil O'Donnell, the great communicator.

Speaker 84 Other injuries.

Speaker 60 Good news on Mike Evans. It is deemed to be a low-grade hamstring injury.

Speaker 112 So hopefully that's not a long-term situation.

Speaker 78 Colts, Kenny Moore, second, suffered a calf injury on Sunday.

Speaker 57 He'll miss a couple of weeks, but they don't believe it to be major.

Speaker 34 They've signed Mike Hilton to

Speaker 81 their practice squad.

Speaker 110 Cowboys guard, more bad news for the Cowboys.

Speaker 17 Tyler Booker out four to six weeks with a high ankle sprain.

Speaker 23 So two high ankle sprains in Dallas.

Speaker 112 Giants running back Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 34 Oh, you'll like this, Mark.

Speaker 15 This will be good for your next newsletter.

Speaker 44 Dislocated his shoulder in the first half.

Speaker 45 He gone.

Speaker 92 Expected to miss time.

Speaker 72 That means, your boy, Scataboo.

Speaker 120 It's Scataboo time in northern New Jersey.

Speaker 58 I think fucking time. I'm aligned with all of northern New Jersey.
This is a tough time.

Speaker 121 Nothing bad could happen. It can only happen.

Speaker 58 This is an exciting running back.

Speaker 78 Is this the cover story?

Speaker 58 I don't think you've clearly not read um the new man what is it

Speaker 58 justin had time from his other duties to you know go down that road for the little bit so i appreciate we're like 30 seconds away from the power rankings i have finished like a real thoughtful uh q a profile with scataboo it's like sessler ex scataboo

Speaker 101 Finally, well, I get the angle.

Speaker 15 The running back has come that I can relate to.

Speaker 58 I get the angle.

Speaker 58 Like you,

Speaker 58 having come from the tri-state area, I have many friends who are distressed Giants fans. This is the only ray of light that they have right now.

Speaker 75 He's Gataboo.

Speaker 84 He plays it the right way.

Speaker 58 Well, they're mostly like, get Dart and Scataboo in there and like, we're going to be fine. Like, I don't know if you're going to be fine, but I get that it's a little more of a tick and chip.

Speaker 14 Get Russell Wilson and Tyrone Tracy out and get in Jackson Dart from Utah and Scataboo.

Speaker 58 It's a little bit of wish casting.

Speaker 58 I see that. Daddy Chill.

Speaker 69 This guy.

Speaker 19 Yo, this guy Scataboo, you know what?

Speaker 27 He's not some prima donna out there.

Speaker 97 You know, he plays the game the way it's supposed to be played.

Speaker 89 What do you mean, Uncle George?

Speaker 71 You know what I mean.

Speaker 88 It's like, uh-oh, Uncle George has had a couple pops.

Speaker 58 Yeah, he has.

Speaker 58 It's a good analysis by George, though. The uncle.
We love him.

Speaker 19 We love that Uncle George.

Speaker 47 All right, let's take a break and then check in with the power rankings.

Speaker 116 All right, here we go. We're back.

Speaker 40 It's like Uncle George shouldn't be at the kids' table on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 110 He's outgrown it by about two and a half decades.

Speaker 103 And yet,

Speaker 35 just for safety, we put him at the kids' table, you know?

Speaker 58 It makes the other table feel

Speaker 58 Uncle George, irresponsible adult.

Speaker 89 Yeah, just for

Speaker 20 just to be safe, you put George at the kids' table.

Speaker 33 All right.

Speaker 70 Power rankings, week four, the power rankings of record.

Speaker 45 And again, a reminder, we are now two weeks clear, I believe,

Speaker 12 of the,

Speaker 116 I apologize, I don't remember his exact

Speaker 51 title anymore.

Speaker 81 But

Speaker 56 what was it? Jerry Farbuck.

Speaker 70 What was it?

Speaker 90 Seth Farbuck.

Speaker 106 Ken Farbik.

Speaker 58 Sort of a czar, a power ranking czar.

Speaker 85 Yeah, he's from the International Power Rankings Alliance, reached out to us

Speaker 37 that they were

Speaker 78 launching an investigation because of a threat-level orange power rankings that we delivered.

Speaker 49 I thought we bounced back in week three, and sure enough, did not hear from Farbuck.

Speaker 34 So now week four.

Speaker 20 Let's go through it.

Speaker 51 Let's hope that

Speaker 66 we deliver a professional set of power rankings.

Speaker 36 Thank you, Paul Rudd.

Speaker 76 Here we go.

Speaker 71 Let's start with tier one, one through eight.

Speaker 40 This is where you want to be.

Speaker 73 It's where you want your team to be.

Speaker 20 The Eagles. All right, there we go.

Speaker 98 The Eagles off that incredible comeback win against the Rams.

Speaker 69 Number one across the board.

Speaker 46 And the defending Super Bowl champions remain at number one.

Speaker 89 The Bills.

Speaker 53 I have them at number three.

Speaker 111 Ceci, Connor, Justin have them at two.

Speaker 31 So they're up one spot to number two.

Speaker 103 The Detroit Lions.

Speaker 32 maybe as impressive a victory as anyone has had this season.

Speaker 87 They are up two spots to number three.

Speaker 54 The Ravens. Yes, I like this.

Speaker 42 This is the shit I'm talking about.

Speaker 48 It is not the power standings.

Speaker 32 It is the power rankings. The Ravens have issues, but we also know what they're capable of.

Speaker 40 We know the injury issues, and we still believe this is a top five team in the NFL, even at one and two.

Speaker 11 We all have them in the top six, and they're at number four overall.

Speaker 58 Sensible. So far, the rankings are sensible.

Speaker 65 The Chargers.

Speaker 70 I thought the Chargers might move up a little bit. I had them up at four on my rankings.

Speaker 65 Check it on YouTube.

Speaker 34 You can see where we ranked everything.

Speaker 103 But,

Speaker 112 Mark, you have them at six, so you have them outside the top five.

Speaker 8 I don't know why.

Speaker 98 They've done everything.

Speaker 78 They've checked every box you could ask for so far, but they're number five.

Speaker 65 The Packers dropped four spots to number six after the loss to the Browns.

Speaker 64 Connor, who always is a wild card, he dropped them out of the top 10 after getting beat by the Browns.

Speaker 17 Tough league.

Speaker 112 And that cratered them and took him out of the top five, I guess.

Speaker 122 The Rams coming off that loss.

Speaker 117 Connor just says crazy stuff.

Speaker 34 They stay at number seven.

Speaker 28 The Bucs stay at number eight.

Speaker 21 Now, Mark, you and I have a little bit of a differentiation there.

Speaker 28 You have them at five.

Speaker 17 I know they're 3-0, but I've watched every Bucs snap so far.

Speaker 111 I'm not over the moon impressed by them.

Speaker 37 Like,

Speaker 22 I don't see them as a top 10 team.

Speaker 92 And I know it's like, oh, Dan, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 45 My team loses every game.

Speaker 43 It has nothing to do with the Jets.

Speaker 20 I just think that they are a good team, but they're a great NFC South team.

Speaker 101 But I think they're a good NFL team.

Speaker 88 No. Does that make sense?

Speaker 58 I struggled with this one, to be honest, because I see Connor.

Speaker 88 You have him at number five.

Speaker 58 No, I see that Connor has him at six, but I really do believe in them. I think they're very balanced and well-built.
And it's kind of like it was them or the Chargers for me.

Speaker 58 Like, that's the team I kept flipping, them and the Chargers. And I put the Bucs at five and the Chargers at six.
So,

Speaker 58 absolutely incorrect, but I believe in it.

Speaker 96 I think the Bucks.

Speaker 96 The Bucks are dealing with a ton of injuries, and I know some of those are going to be season enders, but like Tristan Wurfs is coming back, Chris Godwin is coming back.

Speaker 96 Those are big pieces on offense that the fact that they're 3-0 surviving without those guys, I think they're going to continue to get better as the season goes on.

Speaker 45 Yep, but show me a team on this list that's not dealing with injuries also.

Speaker 99 I mean,

Speaker 58 everybody is all the Bills to some degree, but sure.

Speaker 33 All right, let's go to Tier 2.

Speaker 55 Tier 2 begins with the Chiefs, so they stay in the top 10.

Speaker 85 They actually move up one spot.

Speaker 85 Connor has them at 12.

Speaker 51 I have them at 9.

Speaker 76 Mark and Gravy have them at 10.

Speaker 78 The number 10 spot coming off,

Speaker 77 hmm, this is interesting.

Speaker 73 So the commanders, Jaden Daniels sits out with the injury.

Speaker 99 They stomp the Raiders, and yet they drop a spot in the power rankings.

Speaker 63 I had them at eight.

Speaker 107 Farbuck.

Speaker 100 Farbuck.

Speaker 46 Justin had him at nine.

Speaker 31 Mark, you had him all the way at 12 and Connor at 13.

Speaker 44 Why are you dinging the commanders for kicking the shit out of their opponent with the backup quarterback?

Speaker 58 I don't think it's just about one game. It's just the overall comparison to the other teams.
And

Speaker 58 I feel very comfortable with putting them at about 12. Like, are they a top?

Speaker 69 You have the Bucs at five and the Raiders at 12.

Speaker 43 You think there's that much of a difference between those teams?

Speaker 85 Other than the fact that they're records, which is not power standings, I do.

Speaker 50 Rankings. Okay.

Speaker 30 I do. Fair enough.
Hey, listen, you're entitled to the opinion.

Speaker 44 And I respect the hell out of you for it, Mark.

Speaker 31 The Niners at 11.

Speaker 55 I have them down at 13 just because the Bosa injury, I really do think that's going to be a major problem for them.

Speaker 85 I think their defense is going to start to hurt them.

Speaker 61 And

Speaker 85 obviously, they have injury issues right now at quarterback as well.

Speaker 20 So, I have them at 13.

Speaker 85 You have him at 9, Connor at 9, Justin at 12.

Speaker 31 That comes out to number 11.

Speaker 69 The Colts, this surprised me.

Speaker 44 I thought you guys were going to gas up the Colts even more

Speaker 25 after their week three win, but they sit at 12 and they don't move.

Speaker 24 That's a good sign for the group that we're really starting to lock in.

Speaker 58 Isn't that the classic early season team where it's like, look at you've been fun,

Speaker 58 and I feel the romance and the joy, but like, I'm not ready to throw you up the board yet.

Speaker 60 I like that. And guess what?

Speaker 51 They get the Rams a tier one team in week four, and then we could really decide where to move the Colts.

Speaker 50 Number 13, the Twilight Zone, the spot where when I'm not sure what to put a team, I'll just stick them at 13 and stop thinking about it.

Speaker 76 That's the Niners for me right now, but our group

Speaker 68 consensus is that's the Seahawks.

Speaker 78 You also had them at 13.

Speaker 43 Justin had them at 13.

Speaker 116 Justin, are the Seahawks a Twilight Zone team for you where you can't quite figure out where to peg them in terms of, are they an elite team or just merely a potentially good one?

Speaker 96 A little bit, and it feels like they've gotten better every week as the season's going on. So that's definitely a positive sign.

Speaker 96 Sam Darnold has looked, I mean, he had probably his best game last week against the Saints. It's sort of like the Colt situation where I'm like, I'm not sure exactly how much to take away from.

Speaker 96 beating the Saints, but I do think their defense is for real, and I think they're going to be able to run the ball against almost anyone.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I said it on the Sunday show.

Speaker 18 I think they're a little bit of a sleeping giant in the NFC right now.

Speaker 29 That's why I gave them top 10 status.

Speaker 33 Conner's got them all the way at eight. So we're going to go.

Speaker 79 He outdoors them.

Speaker 58 I think if they go hammer someone next week, like they're going to.

Speaker 92 Who do they have next week, Justin?

Speaker 31 Get back to me on that one.

Speaker 30 The Vikings,

Speaker 83 with a complete defensive effort

Speaker 44 and with Carson Wentz at quarterback.

Speaker 35 They stomp their enemy and move up three spots to 14, so they stabilize after they plunged on our board last week.

Speaker 32 The Broncos, here's an interesting team.

Speaker 78 They're down two spots on the power rankings.

Speaker 81 I had them at 14.

Speaker 29 Mark, you had him at 17.

Speaker 72 Connor at 16. Justin also at 14.

Speaker 22 Who do the Vikings have next week?

Speaker 96 The Seahawks have the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 The Seahawks, excuse me.

Speaker 84 Seahawks. In Arizona.

Speaker 96 On Thursday night.

Speaker 37 Thursday night for the

Speaker 52 expected Seahawks to do well in that spot.

Speaker 14 Interesting.

Speaker 11 The Steelers, this is perfect.

Speaker 82 I think we're having a good week right here.

Speaker 60 The Steelers are a perfect middle of the pack at number 16.

Speaker 52 I had him at 16.

Speaker 36 Mark, you had him at 15.

Speaker 116 Connor at 15.

Speaker 99 Justin at 18.

Speaker 103 But I get it.

Speaker 20 They're up three spots off a win over the Patriots, but still, nobody's going nuts about them.

Speaker 36 Tier three.

Speaker 56 Oh, yeah, here we go.

Speaker 60 Tier three. Now we're getting into a little bit of a different zone.

Speaker 28 The Bears have a very, very, very impressive showing blowing out a you know, a bad Cowboys defense.

Speaker 54 Uh, but because they have some juice and Caleb's playing well, we loved it.

Speaker 25 So, we jumped him up eight spots all the way to number 17, and we're all parking our cars in the same garage.

Speaker 36 Um,

Speaker 19 the Jags are up four spots off their win.

Speaker 28 The Cardinals are up two spots.

Speaker 107 Hmm.

Speaker 58 I think that's because in this case, if you look at like the Cowboys, the Falcons, what happened to the Bengals, the Texans, like they're the benefit of other teams dropping.

Speaker 79 Yeah.

Speaker 4 100% agree.

Speaker 96 I get to this point and I'm like looking at those five teams you just mentioned, Mark, and I'm like, I cannot put the Falcons ahead of the Cardinals after they lose a game 30-0 to the Panthers.

Speaker 58 If you're 19th,

Speaker 58 we're not sending you to the Super Bowl at this point.

Speaker 45 Yeah, one point loss to the 3-09ers is not anything to.

Speaker 31 I hated how they couldn't close the game, but

Speaker 78 that's why they exist right around 20.

Speaker 17 The Cowboys down five spots to number 20.

Speaker 44 And frankly, with the CD Lamb news, it would have been okay if it was even further.

Speaker 66 Connor has them all the way down at 25, but Connor's a Giants fan, so I get that.

Speaker 40 Number 21 is the Falcons.

Speaker 104 So you get shut out 30-0 by a bad Panthers team.

Speaker 32 And what happens? You plummet.

Speaker 24 They're down five spots to 21.

Speaker 52 The Bengals, they get off the mat or they don't get off the mat.

Speaker 83 They get pounded through the mat in the first game without Joe Burrow.

Speaker 17 And what happens?

Speaker 20 They drop four spots to 22.

Speaker 46 The Texans, now 0-3,

Speaker 44 we're pretty much in lockstep on this one.

Speaker 99 They are down three spots to 23.

Speaker 116 And the Panthers, yeah, they get that shutout.

Speaker 45 And so we give them a little love.

Speaker 44 So we put them ahead of all the shitbirds as a reward.

Speaker 24 And they sneak into the back end of tier three up eight spots.

Speaker 18 Mark has them all the way up at 20, which is recency buys.

Speaker 20 But listen,

Speaker 90 over the last quarter,

Speaker 58 over the last six quarters, they have outscored their opponent 49 to nothing.

Speaker 106 Okay.

Speaker 58 I'm just, I'm not sure.

Speaker 83 I mean, they're also getting their asses blown out by the Cardinals before they put that lipstick on the pig.

Speaker 58 I'm not trying to predict the future, but I kind of feel like, is there a shift here? Is there a turn? We'll see.

Speaker 90 All right, that's fair.

Speaker 65 That's fair.

Speaker 122 You know what, Mark?

Speaker 69 Absolutely fair. Tier four.

Speaker 52 This is where you don't want to be.

Speaker 76 The Raiders, you know, who I've been talking up a little bit, I don't like them going and getting their asses blown out

Speaker 78 by the Commanders without Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 50 That's troubling.

Speaker 114 What's that?

Speaker 96 You beat me to it with your.

Speaker 103 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 117 And they can't seem to get Ashton Genti going, and I'm starting to get nervous about that, too.

Speaker 72 They are down two spots to 25.

Speaker 51 The Patriots coming off a five-turnover game at home.

Speaker 20 They dropped two spots to 26.

Speaker 62 The Browns, look at Mark showing restraint.

Speaker 30 How about you, Mark?

Speaker 58 I believe that I have improved at this exercise.

Speaker 55 Leaps and bounds, my friend.

Speaker 45 You and I and Justin, we always pulled it off.

Speaker 52 You always want to have maybe one team where we all have the same number. I have them at 26.

Speaker 66 Mark has the Browns at 26.

Speaker 67 Connor has them at 27. Connor f ⁇ ed it up.

Speaker 25 Justin has them at 26, up three spots to 27, right ahead of the Jets, who obviously have a great comeback on the road there against Tampa, but they lose, and they're 0-3.

Speaker 28 So what do you want?

Speaker 85 Down one spot.

Speaker 62 Again, three of us had him at 28.

Speaker 21 Justin, and I, you know, I love you for this, Justin.

Speaker 44 You have him all the way up at 25.

Speaker 72 So shout out to Justin McGraver

Speaker 110 and Party J.

Speaker 58 I mean, if your head coach is everyone in North Texas. If your head coach is going to frolic down the sideline in a way that Aaron Glenn didn't, I see what you're doing, Justin.

Speaker 52 We didn't have to drop him after the Aaron Glenn dance, but we did.

Speaker 88 That's okay.

Speaker 110 The Dolphins fight hard last Thursday against the Bills, and as a result, we keep him at 29.

Speaker 36 The Giants can't get it going.

Speaker 83 Down four spots to 30.

Speaker 14 The Saints.

Speaker 78 The Saints come marching in.

Speaker 11 How did the Saints out of the number 32 spot?

Speaker 52 I had him at 32, but I'm the only one.

Speaker 26 Mark had him at 31.

Speaker 122 Connor had him at 30.

Speaker 85 Justin had at 31.

Speaker 34 Down three spots.

Speaker 72 And it is, of course, the Tennessee Titoons.

Speaker 52 I had him at 31.

Speaker 31 Everyone else had him at 32.

Speaker 44 The worst team in football.

Speaker 100 Bill Callahan

Speaker 26 struggling.

Speaker 96 Brian, but his dad also struggling, yes.

Speaker 51 I met that Bill because he's disappointed in Brian.

Speaker 110 And

Speaker 44 Justin ranted on the show.

Speaker 91 And

Speaker 67 the head coach, hated by the fans, and the Music City Music podcast, just going off about it

Speaker 15 on a level that we've never seen on that program.

Speaker 9 Music City Music.

Speaker 79 Connor would have got a kick out of that one.

Speaker 96 I don't hate him as a human. I just don't want him to be.

Speaker 43 Listen, just because he takes some pot shots at the Titans, Connor's like a great guy.

Speaker 91 I don't think about that.

Speaker 99 Oh, Brian Callahan.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 96 Like, he's not hated. We just don't want him to be the coach of our team anymore.

Speaker 79 I got you.

Speaker 31 I've been there, buddy.

Speaker 116 I get it.

Speaker 28 I like Rob Rasala.

Speaker 68 I'm happy Rob's happy out in San Fran now by the bay.

Speaker 58 Well, if you're Callahan, you get fired. You get paid for the next three or four years like multiple millions dollars a year to do nothing, like go cut your own little stuff.

Speaker 96 No, go back to Cincinnati and get Jake Browning playing at the level he was playing at the last time Joe Burrow was hurt, and everyone will love you again.

Speaker 58 Yes, if it can do that, okay.

Speaker 19 All right, so last thing before we go,

Speaker 30 of course,

Speaker 33 let's go through the the history of this because

Speaker 78 Pete Sweeney, our friend, the chief speedman for the Kansas City star,

Speaker 11 we've gotten to know Pete.

Speaker 97 He's become a real friend of the show, and Pete likes to cut as Sessler's jib, and he knew that Sessler was coming to

Speaker 34 Missouri over the summer and or in the springtime.

Speaker 92 So he shot Mark this text, just a little update here.

Speaker 85 Okay, Mark, next time you're in Missouri, I can take you to the shittiest dive bar known to men.

Speaker 15 Mark no shows him.

Speaker 18 He reads and doesn't reply.

Speaker 112 Okay, it's a heartbreaking situation for Pete, who deserves better.

Speaker 40 And then I texted Pete

Speaker 50 last night because I knew that Sessler had made a big show of human empathy.

Speaker 99 Like, oh, yeah, no, I got that wrong, but I'm going to text Pete on Sunday morning because I know he's going, he grew up in the New York, New Jersey area, and now he's covering Chiefs, Giants on Sunday night football.

Speaker 103 It's a big deal.

Speaker 34 I'm setting a reminder for myself to

Speaker 34 send Pete a text, a friendly text, which is kind of a bit of a la ravile magnifico in its own right that you're setting a reminder to do such a thing.

Speaker 117 But that's what he said.

Speaker 40 I texted Pete last night.

Speaker 66 Hey, Pete, did you get the text from Sessler this morning at the game?

Speaker 72 And his response.

Speaker 107 La

Speaker 116 Pete told me last night he hadn't heard anything.

Speaker 25 He was still sitting on the Missouri text.

Speaker 32 And then he texted me this morning at 7.30.

Speaker 49 He finally came through last night.

Speaker 84 Final wait time, 160 days and 39 minutes.

Speaker 34 So just to button that up for the audience, yes, Mark did text Pete, but clearly Mark forgot on Sunday and then did a scramble to send something out after the fact.

Speaker 89 Nope.

Speaker 58 I'll tell you what I did. I'll tell you what I did.

Speaker 58 Because everyone was like, if you're a good person, you're going to text him in the morning.

Speaker 58 But it's like, I'm not going to do it the way every I will handle.

Speaker 58 I will handle communication and friendship my way. Yep.
And so my plan was to text him during the Giants Chiefs game.

Speaker 106 Yep.

Speaker 58 This is a lot of...

Speaker 81 But any beat writer wants to get a personal text.

Speaker 35 Well,

Speaker 58 not that we're going to have a discourse. I get that.
But it was like you're here in the middle of this environment that's very special to you. And, you know, you come home.

Speaker 58 But the Giants were so moribund, as we'd say,

Speaker 58 that I thought, oh, shit, like, I'm kind of screwed on that one. So I'm going to wait a bit.
And so, right after the right after our show, I'd sent him a text when the game was well done. And

Speaker 58 I sent it to Justin. Like, I'd here, you want to read to read, you want me to read what I sent?

Speaker 79 Sure.

Speaker 80 I mean, you deserve that.

Speaker 58 He said

Speaker 58 a second ago. Well, look, it was a very hardfelt text.
And he wrote back, and I think we're in a good place. So I did it my way.
You know, I did it Mark's way,

Speaker 58 not the groupthink way.

Speaker 32 So 160 days and 39 minutes is Mark's way.

Speaker 58 Cat and string theory.

Speaker 47 Sociopath.

Speaker 109 There you go.

Speaker 121 He's a top top 10 football. He's a top 10 football insider.

Speaker 22 We'll be back Wednesday with the end around.

Speaker 13 I hope everybody enjoyed the week three content.

Speaker 33 It just keeps going.

Speaker 25 End around Wednesday.

Speaker 92 Gonna have a lot of fun on that show.

Speaker 44 So make sure you're there for it.

Speaker 108 And

Speaker 15 then before you know it, we'll be previewing week four and all the fun that goes with that.

Speaker 21 So thank you to everybody.

Speaker 15 A reminder, Patreon has all sorts of great stuff.

Speaker 57 Patreon.com slash heed the call.

Speaker 46 Check that out.

Speaker 34 And I don't, this is a late show tease, and this is only for the real ones, Mark, that are still listening.

Speaker 39 But we have a major announcement for the fans coming up in a matter of weeks.

Speaker 109 We do.

Speaker 68 Maybe even less than weeks, maybe a week.

Speaker 16 Who knows? It's coming.

Speaker 58 And I feel like a lot of shows say things like that, and then it's like, that was the announcement.

Speaker 58 This is in a different category.

Speaker 110 Different category, entirely.

Speaker 112 So sound off in the comments.

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Speaker 92 This is the long one. Okay, good.
All right. Oh, all right.

Speaker 42 Here we are. Do what you must.

Speaker 110 All right, now do what you must.

Speaker 95 This time.

Speaker 2 All right.

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