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Well, Joe, Trevor just said, woo, I'm tired, and I don't blame you.

Let's start with your game-winning touchdown run.

You get your foot stepped on, you're falling down, and somehow you score.

What was it like from your perspective?

Oh, just panic, sheer panic on the ground, trying to, we didn't have any timeouts, got stepped on coming out, and I was like, I got to get up, and I was just going to throw it out of balance to stop the clock, and then there was really no one around me.

So, went and made a play.

Hey,

welcome to Heed the Call and NFL podcast.

Dan Hansis with Mark Sessler, Justin Graver on the ones and twos, the Monday night program after a stellar Monday night football game.

You just heard Trevor Lawrence of the Jacksonville Jaguars

to Laura Rutledge of ESBN talking about that incredible final touchdown by the Jaguars, the difference in a 31 to 28 win over the Kansas City Chiefs.

And Mark, that is,

you know, that's a game where we're trying to make sense of our league.

We're going to

get into it at the bottom of the show with the power rankings,

where almost every team in our top quadrant of the power rankings was either on by or lost, with the exception of the Lions, pretty much.

And we're going to try to sort that mess out without getting you-know-who, on our radar.

But while we're here, let's just give it up for the Jaguars.

That's a big-time win in Duval.

It is.

And it's like, I feel

that for years,

you and I, this show, others have kind of waited for that Trevor Lawrence moment.

He's had little moments, but it's been like, I mean, I even etched in my notes early in the game, like, because, you know, he dives into the end zone, fumble.

What a frustrating quarterback to deal with at times.

But tonight, in the biggest possible spot on that final drive, it's like, okay, we see what he can do.

And I would point to the incredible throw he made to Brian Thomas down to the Kansas City 24.

That's not a throw that like average Hammond Eggers are making.

And he follows it up with the Diamond Brown throw right down to Kansas City 11.

And then has he talked about that this thing could have ended in disaster and in folly.

And instead, he's stepped on twice by what, his guard.

And then he, it's just the human will of a six-foot-six quarterback who is finally living up to the hype, the physical prowess, everything we think he can do to barrel into that end zone and take down the Chiefs.

Now, this was a team win, but Trevor Lawrence had some big moments down the stretch.

It would not have happened without him.

And I've waited for that for a long time.

Yeah,

I think we expected, us being football fans, more moments like this.

It hasn't happened the way we expected.

And it actually, despite the fact that he got the big max contract,

not max contract, this isn't the NBA, but the big time I'm a top, I'm a tier one quarterback contract last summer.

It almost felt like at the time the Jaguars were almost boxed into that decision because he still did look the part.

And he had the big time playoff win a few years back, that big comeback win,

of course.

And

he's shown the flashes of being a big-time quarterback.

And

it got to the point where there was a tipping point, I thought, where going into the season, there was popular opinion had shifted on Lawrence from he could be that guy if he gets the right surrounding cast and coaching to, man, he's a little bit of a disappointment.

And he could still be that.

That could still be his fate as a pro.

But this is the type of game where you say, okay, maybe this is it.

Maybe this is the year with Liam Cohen where he takes off.

They're now 4-1.

They're 3-1 in their building.

They're tied atop the AFC South with another surprise team in the Indianapolis Colts.

And we're going to get to the Chiefs side of it a little bit later.

Our buddy Pete Sweeney, who's boots on the ground in Duval.

We're going to talk about why this is such a weird Chiefs game where they did a lot of things that weren't.

Chiefs-like.

And just when you thought that the Chiefs were about to be the Chiefs again, up 14-0 in this game, Patrick Mahomes cooking for it to all and then not be able to get the stop at the end.

That's crazy.

We'll get into that with Pete.

But yeah, like you made the great point that Trevor Lawrence is the face of this team.

He makes big plays.

Brian Thomas makes that huge catch.

You had Deami Brown making the big play.

You had defensive stands.

You had good protection of the quarterback.

They had the play of the year, arguably, on defense with Devin Lloyd stepping in front of a Mahomes pass at the goal line and going 99 yards for a touchdown, the third longest interception returned by a linebacker in NFL history.

That even Travis Hunter made some plays in this game.

Just a special night for the Jaguars.

And it really makes you think: is this a team that, like the Colts, who've sucked up a lot of the oxygen, is the surprise team?

Maybe it's time to look at the Jaguars again.

We talked about it on Sunday, Mark.

You made the great point.

I love that point that you made with the Patriots, that the AFC seems to be missing a couple dogs.

Okay, so let's slide in the Pats after they knock off the Bills in Orchard Park.

But let's now keep an eye on two teams out of the AFC South.

I'd agree.

And the Jaguars, you know, it's not like they're coming out of deep space.

They've kind of been there or we thought they should be there.

They've been to the playoffs.

But we are looking at a quarterback.

And you mentioned it, Daniel Jones in the same division, where we threw him out.

I mean, not particularly you and I, but most people did, right?

And here he is thriving.

Yeah, I did.

Yeah, I mean, I was willing to.

There was no way that was going to work.

And here it is working extremely well for

Shane Steichen.

Right.

And I think with Trevor, it's another example of, well, if you're going to take, no matter how talented or whatever, you come into the NFL, everything levels out.

He's had four play callers.

And I'm not surprised that it's taken a little bit of time for him to look comfortable.

I thought he got it at the end of the night tonight.

And so does that carry on?

Because there were moments early in this game where he's still doing.

Lawrence things where I'm thinking, I just don't know.

Like, you're right, like a stage actor, like this person looks the part and has the voice, but they're not making me feel what I should feel.

And Trevor Lawrence has too many of those moments.

But tonight, Win Hunter starts to wind up a little bit.

And this was not even a night where the running game dominated.

It really required Lawrence to make those throws at the end of the game.

But they're really a complete team.

And so you're right.

They're one of these AFC squads where I'm like, I don't know because they're unpredictable.

You're going to count on at this point, five weeks in, Devin Lloyd with five major takeaways and the longest longest return in Jags history tonight.

They're kind of that team that they're going to have these little magical moments that pop up.

And you kind of like with the Bucs, you're almost expecting something to happen outside of just the quarterback play.

So either something special is bubbling up, but it is another AFC figure that we can say, you matter now, where I think three weeks ago, I was not convinced.

Lawrence ran for two touchdowns of the night, threw for a touchdown.

It did include the two turnovers.

Yeah, Yeah, when he did the thing that Belichick always taught all of his patriots to do, never reach out at the goal line.

You're so close.

Protect the football.

And he didn't.

He stuck it out.

And in true Spags and Chiefs fashion, I'm watching the game with my dad here.

My parents are visiting for the week.

And, you know, we're laughing about how our favorite team is like the first team since Apple turnovers to not have a turnover forced in five weeks.

It's like, look at a Spaggs defense.

Like they sniff it out, they punch the ball out, and then it pops up and it goes right to a Chiefs defender.

And there were multiple points in this game where it looked like the Jaguars were going to fold and go down.

So a really, a really great performance.

It ended an eight-game losing streak to the Chiefs.

And just let's take a real quick peek ahead at the Jaguars now because they are interesting.

They got a little bit of a tough road, though.

Yeah, and it's almost, it underlines how important this win was.

Their schedule has been pretty tough because remember, their one loss was to the Bengals of all teams, but that was the last Joe Burrow game before he got hurt in week three.

So they had a win over the Panthers in week one.

They lose a game to Cincinnati that they should have won, and they lose it right at the end.

But they've beaten the Texans, they beat the Niners in San Francisco, and now they beat Kansas City.

They get home Seahawks next week, a very interesting game, home Rams, and then they get at Raiders.

So

very interesting team to check back in in three weeks and see how they're doing.

Any other thoughts on this game, Mark?

I just, I like how the Jaguars got out of their own mistakes.

You know, there was the, this game might not have needed to have come down to what it did because I will say one thing, and it's another official scenario, but the Trent McDuffie interception, there was a clear DPI on that.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

It was pretty inexcusable.

The Chiefs, we'll get into it with our friend, but it's like they, penalties hurt them a lot, lot.

But that was one penalty that went their way or non-penalty that, I don't know, like that's that that's not on that's not on Trevor Lawrence.

That should not have been an interception.

So in my mind, when I look at his box score, I pack that in.

And Travis Hunter.

As I mentioned, he had an impact in this game.

Had a 44-yard catch in the third quarter, and it was really a nice catch, an acrobatic catch.

Later in the game, he had a catch and run in the second quarter that went for 12 yards.

These are kind of baby steps that maybe you're not expecting to be jumping up and down about for a guy that was picked in the top three.

But when it comes to Hunter and a team that clearly has been unsure how to use this player, this two-way player,

him having an impact in the game, that's notable as well.

So there you go.

Monday Night Football week five.

in the book.

So we're going to take a quick break.

And when we get back, we'll dig into the other news items.

Pretty crazy week five, Ceci.

Pretty cool, pretty wild one.

Um, if if like these were each created by like a band of artists, like this band of artists, um, I would drug test.

Yeah, I would.

By the way, that shirt, I love that shirt.

Is that a Dan Flash's?

This is um, well, I tried to find a little bit of a Jaguars um type shirt, and I'll there's a little history here.

I really have never worn it, I think maybe once on this show, but um, I had to buy it down the street for what Dan Flashes.

Bad Dan Flashes in Hollywood?

No, but I mean,

it's a similar type operation.

But

I was invited to what was like a masquerade birthday party, and apparently I had a role to play.

But then, you know,

life happened, and

I didn't get to go to it.

So I'm wearing it tonight to celebrate the Jaguars.

I'm happy for them.

What was your role to play at this masquerade party that you didn't go to?

Well, take a look at the shirt.

I think it was like a 70s, like I was like a 70s drug dealer or like uh there were other elements it wasn't just this but it was you know a hat glasses but you didn't go

no my um

my girlfriend was out of town and so it was her friend so i was not going to show up on my on my lonesome ooh that would have been weird if you just showed up anyway in your dan flashes

it would have been weird so i avoided that stayed home

All right, just Tales from Hollywood with Mark Sessler.

I always like to know what's going on.

I want to have my ear to the ground over there in that part of our fair city.

Let's take a break when we get back.

Get you caught up on the news.

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All right, we are back.

Like I said,

crazy stuff.

I'm looking at my

power rankings, by the way, from last week.

Yeah, can I get a

wrong buzzer, Justin, for each team that lost?

Here we go: Eagles,

Lions,

Bills

Rams

No

You wish that game was like 15 years ago.

It does feel eons ago.

Chiefs

Packers on a bye.

Seahawks.

All right, the Seahawks give us a win.

Well, the Chargers will give us a win.

That was

my top eight anyway.

So we all have a lot of work to do

coming up in a bit.

First, let's check in on the news, Sesee.

Sure.

Man, one of the, again, I didn't...

I felt a little bad about it because I knew it was a tremendously important win for Justin Graver

and

everyone that, all the listeners of the Vamos Los Titans podcast.

But that was the Cardinals' loss of the ages.

That was, that was one of the worst losses ever.

And so

let's revisit the scene of the crime.

Starting with something that we didn't see

or hear about in the heat of the battle on Sunday, but after Amari DiMercado had that, you know, grisly 78-yard touchdown wiped away by dropping the ball short of the goal line, Jonathan Gannon, usually a pretty stoic and almost statue-type figure on the sideline, went up to DiMercado in a state of fury slash frustration and made contact.

Like he's Bud Kimball in varsity blues.

Let's see.

Here's this.

If you're watching on YouTube,

and there you go.

He kind of put his hands on.

on it.

Yeah, well, look at that.

He wailed on him.

And Gannon apologized to the media.

Shit, man.

Jonathan, what the hell?

What in the hell?

I didn't see the video, David, but

yeah, I actually did.

I woke up this morning.

What the hell is even didn't feel great about it, honestly.

And so in the team meeting, I addressed it.

You got I apologized to Omari, apologized to the team.

And I just told him I kind of let the moment of what happened get the better of me there.

Obviously, like I try to be emotionally stable and calm because my job is to solve problems

during a game.

Shoot him, shoot him, shoot him, shoot him, shoot.

So it's not really who I am, who I want to be.

And I told the guys that today.

So it's a mistake by me, and it's just like

everybody made some type of mistake yesterday, which is

a big deal to why we didn't win the game,

and we can't let it happen moving forward.

Mark?

Well,

I mean, here's the thing.

Like,

the bland and undercooked nature of the Cardinals in the Gannon regime have floated under the radar.

And that, and when you're trying to build something, that is helpful.

We don't really talk about them.

We don't expect much from them.

But I feel like each of these NFL Sundays, you're kind of rolling like a 32-sided die that lands on one team that's going to do something incredibly embarrassing that we're talking about tonight and all week.

And you can't really stop but remember the coaching staff and the players surrounding it.

And it was A.D.

Mitchell a week ago.

And I think even that adds so much to it, right?

Because it's like there probably were videos

telestrated to entire rooms of players saying, don't do this.

Or

unless you're not hooked into general media and the NFL in general, you've already seen this.

Don't do it.

And it happens a week later.

And when you're a bad team, be quiet, stay under the radar.

And they created a game and a loss that is one of the more flamboyant losses of our lifetime.

I mean, it took so many different things.

And I, like, I.

It was the Liberace of losses.

It was the Liberace eating his watermelon and with the candelabras.

And it was that kind of loss.

But it's like,

get over here.

But it wasn't, it wasn't just like, oh, wow, all of these things were on Jonathan Gannon.

Like, I'm not giving him, he is over, he is overlooking an imploding disaster, and they're losing Cardinals fans by the bunches.

But, like, so many weird things happen that I do understand why he probably broke frame finally.

Like, we've not seen any emotion from him, right, that I can recall.

And it's like he broke frame, and

I don't know

where that locker room can be in general right now with what's happening with the Cardinals, but it was a shining, glowing defeat, and not in the right way.

Yeah.

In fact,

you know, Kyler Murray

said on Monday, I don't really know what to think about that when asked where this stacked up

all time.

But then he had a nice little quote that summed things up nicely.

I don't really know what to think about that.

I don't even know.

I really don't even know.

That's

how to lose a game one-on-one.

I don't know.

That was crazy.

He later added, that was bad.

That was bad, bad all around.

It was bad.

It was just one of those losses that you'll remember forever if you're a football fan because of all the things that happened.

Like the losses that I remember the most, you know, 28-3.

I remember I used to, I wrote a piece on NFL.com.

Like, here are are the eight things that had to happen for,

and I apologize to Falcons fans, but I'm just reminiscing, for the Patriots to win this game.

There was also a crazy NFC title game.

What was that?

Crazy the Seahawks against, who was it that was it, the 90s?

Green Bay.

Green Bay.

Exactly.

Good call.

Yes, it was.

Same type of article.

It was like, here are the eight things that had to happen for this comeback.

And

this is kind of in that category.

But the things that had to happen in this game were way crazier and more unlikely than those games, even, even though the stakes were higher.

But really, nuts, nuts stuff.

All right.

So bad times in Arizona.

Not much better in Cincinnati, where, as we know, Joe Burrow has been out of the lineup for a few weeks.

That has coincided with some of the worst football and certainly the worst offensive football since Zach Taylor has been there in Cincinnati.

This has led to Zach Taylor doing the Zach Taylor things, Mark, or I should say the typical head coach things in this situation.

Yes, I will continue to call plays.

Yes, we'll look at all options on the roster.

They are at a point, an inflection point, where Jake Browning has been so bad and so poor at taking care of the ball that they might need to look at other options.

And if they can't figure out how to get things better, there's no sense even trying to rush Burrow back in December.

Anyway, here is Taylor talking about what are they going to do after their latest ugly loss.

You see Jake starting on Sunday again.

We'll see where it goes.

You know, it's, I think, like all personnel decisions,

we got to evaluate it.

Jake's been very accountable for how the game went for him.

I've got to be accountable for how the game went for me as well.

And so we'll continue to progress here through the days.

When would you want that to be finalized going for a game week?

When do you got, when do you need to have a guy?

Obviously, these are things that we talk about every single Monday and Tuesday.

So

we'll evaluate a lot of positions.

All right, Mark, let's check out this depth chart.

Who the hell are their options?

Well,

you got the oft or sometimes spicy Mike White, which I...

Oh, Mike White's there?

Yep.

You've got Brett Rippin, which I said correctly for you now.

Get him in, baby.

I think so.

It's kind of like, here's what I'd say.

And I don't know why they're asking, do you know when you'd be able to provide us that news?

Isn't it the same every time we make a quarterback switch?

You find out about late Tuesday or Wednesday.

The news breaks Tuesday through some.

Mike White's playing on Sunday.

I would say why not?

Because the one thing you don't want is, and I will say Jamar Chase went off late in that game against the Lions.

It was garbage time, but Browning can do that, but he's also turning the ball over left and right.

And as a backup, just don't turn the ball over.

And your season is sinking by the ounce and yard and foot as we speak.

So why not throw Mike White in there and see

what he can do?

You also have your friend Brett Rippin as an option.

My friend.

Yeah, well, Rippian is your friend.

I know that.

But, like, yeah, like,

here's the other part of this, which is easy to forget because they've been so terrible in these three weeks without Burrow.

They won their first two games.

So, this ugly skid, even where they are at 2-3 in an AFC that's pretty wide open,

not just in the wildcard race, but in the division, in the AFC North,

they're not buried yet.

There's a chance to salvage this and just keep their head above water, but there is a there's a question now whether jake browning can be responsible enough with the football to give them a chance so that sounds to me like they're ready to try other things what do you think engravy what was your take on that

that sounds like the media is trying to create a story and like i i came across this sound because i was just reading headlines and the headline was bengals are exploring quarterback options and it made it sound like they're getting ready to make a change and then you listen to to Zach Taylor talk and it's like, I don't really know if they're going to make a change.

But he didn't say when typically, because we just went through this with Jackson Dart and Russell Wilson, of course, with Dable.

And Stefansky with Flacco and

typically when a coach, a coach already kind of knows what he's going to do, right?

By the time they're getting into their film watching on Monday, right?

Or even when he hits his head on the pillow on Sunday.

And if they are going to stick with the guy, they say we're sticking with the guy.

And usually, and this will be another good test, when they leave the door open and don't convert, it almost always means there is a change coming at a quarterback position.

So let's see if this follows that same path.

It'll be interesting.

For no other reason than that.

It won't be that interesting based on what that is.

That's what I was going to say.

Just by what's interesting to me is not necessarily the fate of the Cincinnati Bengals right now.

It's more like trying to decode the business of football and coach speak.

If this will be another example that we could point to of,

yes, because he did this, we already know he did that before he even announces that he's doing that.

Right.

Decode the 27th most interesting coach in the NFL.

Got it.

Here we go.

Up next.

This is interesting, but it's the wrong kind of interesting.

Our buddy Mark Sanchez has gotten himself in a lot of water.

You've been following this one, Sessler?

I have, sure.

I mean, I think it, you know, it was, it came out over the weekend.

So I, before we even got going on Sunday, I dug into it.

And then, you know, I think it was the classic, like, oh, here's the other side to the story.

And everyone had to pivot in what they were thinking of.

So on Saturday night, a grease truck driver

had

reportedly parked his truck in an alley where he was collecting cooking oil from a nearby hotel.

This is in Indianapolis.

Sanchez was there for for the Colts Raiders game.

The Weston.

We've been there many times.

Many times.

Sanchez approaches him.

This is according to the police report.

Sanchez was apparently running sprints in the alley,

and he became enraged that the worker's truck was blocking his way.

Things escalated after the old man.

The old man?

Who wrote this?

Is this the police report?

Well, it was 69.

And I think.

But no, look, things escalated after the old man couldn't hear the drunken Sanchez.

Is this a little bit more detailed there?

This is from TMZ Sports.

Oh, okay.

Thank you.

The truck driver.

Thank you for that.

That is a very important thing to note, Justin.

Let's put that in the rundown next time.

This is a TMZ report we're cribbing off right now.

Not a pleasure post.

Even better.

I don't know.

Anyway, now keep that in mind as I read the rest of this.

Things escalated after the old man couldn't hear the drunken Sanchez.

Yeah, this doesn't sound like a pleasure.

Well, you're making it sound like a nursery rhyme.

I think

there was a little more gravity to this.

Because

he'd removed his hearing aids.

How old is this guy?

Shortly after.

69.

The 6'2 ⁇ , 230-pound Sanchez, 38, allegedly hurled the driver against a wall before throwing him to the ground.

At which point, the driver said he stabbed the Fox Sports analyst in self-defense.

On Sunday, Sanchez was charged with battery.

with injury, public intoxication, and unlawful entry of a vehicle for his role in the incident.

On Monday, the felony battery charge came down from Indianapolis authorities.

The victim is also suing Sanchez in civil court for assault and battery.

I feel, listen, I'm a Jets fan.

Mark Sanchez is the last link to any success.

It's a bummer because he always seemed like a good guy.

We enjoyed him in the booth.

We had him on the old show because we enjoyed the way in which he approached

calling games as a color analyst.

I think he's probably going to lose his job because of this.

I would imagine the next move, again, is we're like, same thing with trying to figure out Coach Speak.

The next move in this situation typically is you check yourself into rehab and you try to start picking up the pieces and setting up certain dominoes in terms of public opinion and

the court's opinion.

I'll say this, Mark.

Have heard stories

about Sanchez from people that are very close to the situation that he was not, he's not a great,

he could be an issue sometimes when he gets a few belts in him.

So, when the first, when it first came out, Sanchez stabbed in Indianapolis, my first thought was, I'm waiting for the next part of the story.

And the next part of the story is really bad.

There's also a, I don't know if

this is a real thing or not, but it looked like it, that this allegedly old man had this gnarly slash across his cheek.

Really a terrible situation.

And just if this was a situation of Sanchez just out of his mind, intoxicated on whatever substance, it could really, really mess up his life.

So a sad story and an ugly one, obviously.

Yeah, I mean, he was, in quotes, you know, behaving erratically.

I don't think he was, he wasn't, the Windsprints thing was compiled on top of what had been happening before, just

from what I've read.

The 69-year-old man was,

you know, had trouble hearing Sanchez, too.

I think there was something about he wasn't able to understand.

He wasn't able to, he couldn't know what was going on, right, Graver?

He took his hearing aids out because the truck he was working with/slash next to was very loud.

And obviously, if you have hearing aids and something loud is next to you, that's just right.

And I don't want to, yeah, just to underline it, like it sucks for Sanchez, and it's a sad story for where he's at in his life, but this is just a a guy doing his job.

This is a 69-year-old man that's moving cooking oil.

Like, he's a grease truck driver.

And

it's a bummer.

We have this video of Sanchez, like, stumbling.

Again, we've walked down these streets a million times in Indianapolis.

And

another thing I read was the driver said that Sanchez was enraged after he had...

stabbed him and what the driver said was self-defense and he then he saw Sanchez have this moment of clarity where he kind of had a look of shock on his face of what had just happened.

And that's when he kind of jumped up and ran off.

Well, I mean, like, from a, from like a global angle, like, I think,

you know, anyone, every, it doesn't matter if you're a quarterback or you're a

work in a bakery.

Like, people, all sorts of people battle addiction.

And I think sometimes like it can, two things can happen.

One, it can turn you into someone completely different.

And I'm not putting that on Sanchez, but this is not the the Mark Sanchez who's announcing a football game.

It sounds like you're on the right track with this one.

Yeah, yeah.

Out of body.

And like,

you know, suddenly you're involved in something that you don't even understand what you're doing.

And I think that like, you know, in that journey, sometimes it helps to hit a public low and change can come.

But the guy,

the older man, like, was, if that, if that photo that's out there is accurate, he was

really taken to town and treated

physically.

That's accurate.

I mean, it's being reported everywhere.

The story is being reported.

So, if it's not accurate, then a lot of people are.

It's not like, hey, we're just thinking of one person here.

This was a disastrous incident.

If there's anything positive about the stories, it doesn't seem like either of these guys suffered life-threatening injuries, but both of them, their lives are changed now as a result of one-chance meeting.

Pretty, pretty crazy.

All right, last news item

before we take a quick break and get into power power rankings, and maybe Pete Sweeney jumps in.

He's somewhere in the bowels of the big chlorine tank.

What a get that would be if we could.

Yeah, hopefully, hopefully we get him.

I hope so.

You never know what's going on in Jacksonville.

You know, I hope he's found safe shelter.

It's probably popping off down there.

Anyway,

two

wire situations in week five.

We didn't talk about this, Mark, but in two games,

first one was in London.

Will Reichard,

the Vikings finally believe they have found a kicker to solve all their woes at that position for decades.

What could possibly go wrong?

The last thing that Vikings beat reporters and

fans online, and all this should be talking about is, oh, we finally found the guy, because that's when you guarantee he's going to miss a 34-yarder in the wild card round.

So just don't say anything about Will Reichard.

Just

ignore it.

You know, clap and cheer when he does well, but don't talk about that you fixed kicker in the assumption.

That's just it.

That is unsolicited advice from Zuzer.

Don't say anything.

It's good advice.

From a member of one tortured fan base to another, don't say shit.

Anyway, Rikert had not missed the field goal all season until 9.47 left in the fourth quarter.

The Vikings down three points in London, and Reichert attempts a 51-yard kick that would have tied the game at 17.

It appeared to to be online.

Then all of a sudden it veered right.

And the kick was ruled amiss because it was outside the uprights, obviously.

But according to the athletic, Jaina Bardell and Alec Lewis,

two Vikings team sources are confident it hit the camera wire at the hot toddy.

And if that was indeed the case, and it certainly looks like that on replay, it should have resulted in a rekick.

And if you'd believe this, Mark,

do we have sound on this, by by the way?

Do we have O'Connell on this?

Yeah, here's O'Connell on what, you know, the Vikings obviously came back to win the game, but if they don't win the game, this is a much bigger story, I think.

Here's O'Connell.

It was one I did not notice it.

I did not see it in the moment.

You know, I would defer to the Lee on, you know, if that's something that...

that there should be some protocols in place that I should know about.

But other than maybe somebody in the booth alerting me that they saw it or,

you know, Will himself is going to be a critical guy in that moment.

But a lot of times a kicker is a lot like a golf swing.

They're keeping their head down and they might not even see it initially.

Leave Will.

He told me he thought he hit it well and

Will

doesn't end up that

line.

Don't talk about Will.

Historically since our time

later, but yeah,

not really sure what to say on that one.

Find a way to talk around it.

You know, that was

if it did happen.

He should do that thing that

Shador Sanders did.

He should just, anytime he has to say the kicker's name, mime it.

I would not have an issue with that.

Yeah, that went well.

There is no Will Reichard.

No, that went well with the press.

I mean, at least

the larger story here is like the Browns were still

taken out like a gun victim.

So, you know, don't cry for me, Argentina.

But I will say one thing.

I had a thought about this.

Like,

any of these, because there was a camera that was hit in the Meadowlands.

Yeah, let me just, let me, before you make that point, I'll just, to button this up.

It wasn't even the only place where this happened.

In the Jets Cowboys game at MetLife Stadium, Justin Fields drops back to pass.

This is in the red zone.

It was third and seven, I believe.

The pass is deflected in the air by Dante Fowler Jr.

Ricochets up.

It hits the Fox Skycam.

The play was ruled incomplete.

But according to the NFL rule book, anything that hits that goddamn sky cam that should have redone the play.

So the Jets should have had another shot of it from the red zone.

Stunner.

He probably would have thrown a pick six.

So maybe we'll live with the three points.

But two

wire-connected jabroni attacks upon the integrity of the game.

I'm not happy about any of it.

Yeah,

in the second incident,

it's like, have you ever been, I'm sure you have, like if you're playing baseball or something or some sort of sport and you're a youth and there's that moment that you'll never forget where a ball comes at you at a high speed and just smashes into your eye line and your nose and your forehead and you're down or you're not, but you're probably down.

And like,

you know what that looks like.

If you watch this Skycam footage, like there's no question that the ball just came and smashed into it.

What I would like, though,

with this beautiful dark technology that we've added to the league, like it should have, like, if you touch it, it should have like an automatic like beam signaled to the umps, like, we were touched.

Don't touch me.

You touched my wires, my body, my choice.

You know?

Yeah, I was going to say, what if we dressed up like that, the Skycam and made it look look like a pretty cartoon girl and gave it

big long eyelashes and little blonde hair and

then it kind of blinks and starts like lighting up, lighting up.

The little lady camera lights up, and that's when you know.

Like, there's no way you can miss that then.

I don't know.

You know, the big long eyelashes, the comically large eyelashes.

I wouldn't change an iota of what you've come up with there.

That's exactly what we should be doing.

i don't know if we should do that actually

problem solved fix all the wires man

all right injuries real quick man the chargers are going from this super fun uh season to again another one of these cursed teams it's like no you can't have good things week by week they're losing big-time players now they lose their

fantastic young rookie running back omarion hampton he has an ankle injury he's on ir so now he misses a minimum of four weeks to go with all the other injury issues they are dealing with there in Los Angeles.

Colts kicker Spencer Schrader suffered a season-ending knee injury Sunday versus the Raiders.

That ain't good.

Dan Campbell says Lions cornerback Terry and Arnold will be, quote, out a while.

Said he doesn't know yet if that's a season-ending injury, but he can't rule it out.

The Lions, let me know if this sounds familiar with Detroit at coming off last year.

They're without their top two cornerbacks, now Arnold and DJ Reid, and three of their top four,

if you count Ennis Rake Straw, who went down in camp.

And finally, Patriots running back.

And if you don't, what are you doing?

Yeah, what are you doing?

Why are you even here?

What a disgrace.

You don't remember Rake Straw?

I don't understand why you're in the industry.

Yeah, go find the Sky Cam that looks like a cartoon lady and take a walk.

Patriots running back Antonio Gibson out for the season with a torn ACL.

So, you know, Eutravion Henderson freaks.

I bet you're celebrating, but you never celebrate an injury.

Not if you have class, integrity, any sense of an inner being.

Yeah.

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Before we get to the power rankings, we have a very special guest.

It looks like he's, oh my god, it's the most Duval thing I've ever seen because he's standing in front of the logo, but it also looks like a monster truck.

That feels very Duval.

We must be in Jacksonville.

Pete Sweeney, boots on the ground, beat writer of the Kansas City star.

What's up, Pete?

Hey, guys.

Good to see you guys.

Tough loss for the Chiefs.

I'm in, as you can see on YouTube, a construction zone with a nice logo in the background.

It's been a grim day.

Started off with no texture, Mark, and ends with a Kansas City loss.

Jeez, Mark, come on, buddy.

This is a road trip to Duval.

You could have used a little pick-me-up going into the game and nothing.

No, it's, I, I, and now that Pete and I have cemented our, um, I call it more than a friendship, just a real communion of senses.

Um,

what are the senses that you think the Chiefs are feeling after this?

I mean, just to start from there, like they've been through so much.

They've seen everything.

Like, does this rattle the core or is it just like this just didn't go our way?

Move on.

Yeah, I mean, I think what you saw at the beginning of the year was uncharacteristic by the Chiefs.

And I think over the last two games,

I think there was a sense with the team that they had found themselves again.

And I think you break the Chiefs' season up right now into two parts.

For me, it's the part without Rashi Rice and the part with him.

And I think I've mentioned to you guys, I think you really needed to get out of this first six games without your focal point of the offense at three and three.

And the Jaguars, even though it was on the road here in Duval County, it just felt like one that you had to have because you got the Detroit Lions next week.

The key for this game, and I think there were two of them, were

the penalties.

Chiefs took 13 penalties for over 100 yards, just four for the Jaguars for 25.

And something we didn't see since week one, it seemed like a correction that Candace City had made.

And that's just allowing the quarterback to get out of the pocket and scramble.

They had really done a nice job.

uh containing two of the better scrambling quarterbacks in the nfl and jalen hurts that was a loss but they contained him well i thought well enough.

Lamar Jackson kind of got him even out of the game.

They were doing such a good job with that.

Lost it tonight.

And the story was the turnovers for the Jags all year long.

And I thought that was the turning point of the game.

It seemed like Kansas City had regained control even after giving up the lead.

And then you give a 99-yard touchdown return to a linebacker who's puffing and puffing.

uh down the sideline uh and they never really could recover and kudos to the jags uh i think it's a big thing to remember And this is something that Kansas City talks about all the time.

You know, this is still,

for the time being, and we'll see how the year plays out, an ongoing dynasty, you're going to get the best shot of a team like the Jags, who is 3-1.

They kind of want to confirm that to themselves that this is not a fluke, that they can be that team.

And you're going to get the best shot of every opposing team.

They got that from the Jags tonight, and they weren't able to come away with the win.

Yeah, you know what?

P, that's striking to me about the state of the Chiefs right now.

You know, you look at what they're getting wrong.

You mentioned the 13 penalties.

Going into this game, I said, I really like the Chiefs in this game because the Jags are in some ways living and dying on the turnover game, and the KC is not going to beat itself.

99-yard pick six by Mahomes.

But you also have things like, you know, Kareem Hunt goes in for the touchdown with a minute 45 to go.

I'm like, all right, now it's Spaggs time.

It's closing time.

Close this game out.

Harrison Bucker kicks the kickoff out of bounds.

I'm like, that's not what what the Chiefs do in these situations.

Then they give up multiple big plays, including a PI, give up the go-ahead touchdown.

Trevor Lawrence falls on the guard's foot.

This stuff, stuff that drives people crazy about the Chiefs in the last 10 years.

Like in normal times, the quarterback falls over his own foot.

A Chief crashes in, knocks the ball away.

Time runs out.

The Chiefs win.

No, he recovers, gets up, runs the ball in.

And then to top it all off, Pete, who are these Chiefs?

It's like how there's a new Tony Romo, and I'm like, where's the old Tony Tony Romo?

Because this guy doesn't look quite like the same Tony Romo.

Same thing with the Chiefs.

Pete, they called two timeouts in a row

on the last drive.

And I'm like, this is New York Jets shit.

Who are these Chiefs?

That was really jarring to me, the way they handled this whole game, especially at the very end.

You know, one of the first hits I did for you guys, I believe was after the week one game last year.

And I'm remembering it now as you talk to me, Dan.

I remember saying a line after the Isaiah likely tow gate when I was like, everything just seems to always go the Chiefs' way.

And I remember saying that and you kind of laughed, I remember, and you're like, you're right.

And it does seem like they have lost a level of immortality, of magic that maybe they have had in the past, especially in these one-score games.

And I think it had been 17 one-score games in a row before the Chargers were able to do it

in week one.

And, you know, your point about Harrison Butker, Harrison Butker has quietly been a problem for Kansas City all year long as far as missing a kick a game.

He ends up having a perfect game.

And then when all the pressure is on him just to simply, you know, have a regular return, he does kick it out of bounds.

And untimely mistakes that, you know, how often do you see Patrick Mahomes in a position to really rip the jugular out of a team by scoring and retaking control and just.

throws an interception.

It almost looked like to me with Devin Lloyd, he didn't see him.

Just thought he had Juju Smith-Schuster wide open and he steps in front of the pass.

And the penalties is just, this is terrible.

I mean, it looked like there were four or five special teams penalties.

The Chiefs, to their credit, yeah,

I think there are these magic moments that they seem to have.

But in those years past, they're playing clean enough football for that magic to matter.

And right now,

it's just, it's an uncharacteristic team.

And when you get to week five, week six, you know, you really start to ask yourself, okay, is it uncharacteristic or is this characteristic of this new version of the Chiefs we haven't seen in really what has been years?

I mean, you just think about even since Mahomes took over as a starter, they've been to the final four, the championship Sunday every year.

Does this seem like a team, especially with all these up-and-comers, like an Indianapolis Colts, like a Jacksonville Jaguars?

You still have the Buffalo Bills even coming off of a loss.

Does this seem like a team that is certainly going to be in the final four of the NFL playoffs?

Not right now.

I mean, I think the positive side of it is they have

months now to get it right.

And, you know, NFL is fickle.

You know, they could come out and win a game against the Lions without Rashid Rice.

And then, you know, everyone's back on the bandwagon.

But that's going to be a tough ask, even at home.

And suddenly you're two and four.

It's like, can this team actually push through to be that team they've been for so many years now?

Yeah, I guess like one quick last one for you, because you talked about get it right.

And I could think of, you know, they've had to go and do something that no team in the conference has had to do over a half decade plus and it reminds me of the patriots when they'd get out to a slow start but their fame was they're constantly recreating what they are over the first month it's still early um when i look at kind of how the chiefs attack on offense though let's just start there like

There seem to be so many skill position players and so many people touching the ball.

And you get Mahomes coming out of the game as your leading rusher, and they need that to happen.

You don't have like a star running back per se.

And until Rice comes back, like, and I know Xavier was a little, he was banged up in the first half of this game.

Like, are there almost too many people here?

Or do they need to focus on maybe more of a limited core of people to move this and make this more focused in key moments?

Before you answer that, Pete, can I just add one thing to what you're saying, Mark?

Like, they had 476 yards today.

That's very fair.

Like, they're not unproductive.

I just wonder in those key moments, like, do they know what they want to do?

I think in the early season, I think you kind of hit upon what I think is the issue.

I think when Patrick Mahomes is at his best, he's hitting nine and 10 and 11 different pass catchers.

I mean, that's when he's the most productive.

But I do think they're missing a running back.

You mentioned that Patrick Mahomes was the leading rusher.

This is the third game this season in which he was the leading rusher of the team.

And I think Isaiah Pacheco looked a little bit more like himself tonight.

And I think that is something.

to build upon.

But I think the Chiefs, I think when they're at their best, they really feel good about having a nice balance between run and pass.

And they were able to have offensive production tonight.

I really do think, you know, and Dan, you mentioned how badly they outgained the Jaguars.

This one was about uncharacteristic mistakes like we discussed.

And then just a key moment in the middle of the game.

I've talked about it a few times, but that interception really changed everything.

And I also got to give, and this is something that's great about traveling now with the new gig that maybe I would get to see in years past I didn't.

This place was rocking tonight.

And if you gave, and to the Jaguars fans credit, you know, I know there's all these jokes about Chargers fans and Jaguars fans and maybe how they don't, this fan base was rocking.

And you could just tell that the entire city wanted this one.

The players wanted it.

I wrote this in my quick reaction for the star that we posted at the end of the game.

Truly, a feel mistakes and otherwise, and just the way that the crowd was reacting and the way you could see it on Trevor Lawrence's face, this game mattered more to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

And I think it's one of those look-in-the-mirror game for the Chiefs.

This isn't going to be easy.

You're not just going to get back to your fourth straight Super Bowl by just showing up to a stadium.

Teams are going to want to beat you because it matters something to their franchise.

And it's just a fantastic win for Jacksonville.

And suddenly they're also now one of the more interesting teams in the AFC at 4-1.

I think for a lot of the the beginning of the year, people felt like they were winning despite Trevor Lawrence and some of his inability.

And what a game that he had.

Scrambling all over the place, making the Chiefs look bad, made some big-time throws, and they deserved it.

They played plain football and outplayed and out-coached

and really just, I thought, outperformed the Chiefs tonight.

Yeah, one of those things, when you are whatever sport it is, if you are the team,

you've won multiple Super Bowls, you've been to the last three Super Bowls, part of that deal is whatever city you go to, it's the Super Bowl for that team.

And that just adds to the level of challenge.

And you got to, especially in a primetime type setting like this, that's a big deal in Duval.

So I will say this, Pete, I'm sure the city is going off tonight.

I want you to just be careful.

Go pay your respects, as I know you were planning to, to the Fred Durst statue.

It's a 50-foot statue about a mile outside of Evergreen Bank Park or whatever the f.

And then find your way to the hotel and stay safe, my friend.

We will keep it rolling here in Jacksonville, Denver.

I get your references.

I get your limp references.

All right.

Thank you, buddy.

Appreciate you.

All right.

There he goes.

Pete always does the job for our program.

And it is notable that he continues to mention that you are not reaching out to him.

Male local.

That is not his apt low.

It is a thing, Mark, especially amongst men.

Even in your age bracket, there is still a need for male friendship

at this time of life.

And maybe

there's a guy that covers the cheese for the KC star that just wants a friend.

Okay, so

briefly, your update is incorrect.

Like we have texted back and forth.

Hey, I'm just reporting on what I'm going off what he said at the beginning of that little conversation.

Did I?

Justin, did you hear that?

You heard the same thing I did, right?

It was like the first thing he said.

First thing.

I didn't receive a text from Mark.

First thing he said.

That's how he leads the appearance.

Well, it's a conspiracy of some nature because I literally have texted him.

So I think that the three of you, which would not surprise me, are in some ways.

Since that Fakakta, like

too little, too late text after the Giants game?

Have you done one since then?

I'd have to look, but I think I did actually.

I believe I did.

I believe I did.

Well, how often are you texting him, Justin?

Are you writing back?

I mean, outside of planning

today.

To plan the show.

But what he's looking for from Justin is different than what clearly he's looking for from Sessler.

Like, you understand that, right?

And if you don't want to be friends with Pete, just let him know.

Like, let him down easy.

Be like, I don't have time for this, a long-distance guy-on-guy friendship.

Just tell him.

I have never considered like once, like, I don't have time or don't want to be friends with Pete.

Like, in that case, if you want to go guy on guy with him, do it.

But if you don't, let him know that you're not ready to go guy on guy with him.

But, like, you have to, one way or the other, you're sending mixed messages.

Well, you are creating a controversy that

did not exist.

This is the peacemaker at work.

This is the peacemaker.

Forget it.

Well, I'm trying.

I'm trying.

Okay.

Got your little friend over there playing your sound clips.

All right.

Let's get back on track here.

You know, the Chiefs

as we kind of get into the power rankings.

The Chiefs are a tough one to make sense of, right?

So this is going to be very interesting to see.

As I noted earlier, so many of the teams at the top in our top 10 went down this week.

So how do we react?

Do you overreact and just drop all those teams like crazy?

Do you kind of give the power rankings equivalent of a mulligan to your top 10?

I think people are going to have different paths to this.

I get a feeling.

So why don't we start where we always do with tier one?

All right.

So the Detroit Lions, this one was kind of the easy one because they are the only team at the very top that really took care of their business.

They stomped the Bengals on the road.

And as a result, they are number one, the Detroit Lions for the first time this season, up two spots.

That means, yes, obviously the Eagles are no longer the number one team where they've been for most of this year in this exercise.

The Bills

lose

and yet don't move.

They stay at number two.

For me, they actually moved up, which was more just a case of one spot, which is just a case of what a messy situation it was in the top eight.

So they stayed two.

The Eagles, as I mentioned, they take their first loss and they fall to three.

They're down two spots.

I had them at three.

Sessler had them at five.

Connor at three.

Justin at two.

Look who's moved up all the way to number four.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a top four team in our league.

I'm not there yet.

I have them at top eight.

I have them in tier one, but at the bottom half, Sessler has him as the third best team in football.

Can't go there with you, bud.

But you're closer to lockstep with the other guys.

Connor had him at four.

So did Justin.

And I imagine because I've been getting some.

vitriol from Bucs fans.

Like, I don't believe in the Bucks.

I mean, I do.

I have them as a tier one team um but i'm just not i'm not gonna tell you that i think that they're the top of the nfl i'm not i'm not there and i still don't see it i still don't see it not this all the way this might be their doorway in this week i could see this changing but like they are at the end at the very final minute or two of every game right and when i say that like i said i have them at eight okay

but Everybody else has them in the top five.

There's something keeping me from doing that.

And I stand by it.

Yes, Justin.

I think maybe I can articulate it.

Maybe this isn't how you're feeling, but it's like when a team requires a game-winning drive every single week to get a win, there's something that feels unsustainable and maybe unbelievable about that.

Like, go beat the crap out of a team if you're a technical team in the league.

However, what I'll say is that we do this all the time.

We look at it, well, last season, this team was blah and blah in one-score games.

They're definitely definitely going to regress.

Like last year, the Chiefs, they showed it on the game tonight, 11-0 in one-score games.

There was the year the Vikings were a crazy one-score game team.

But I think that regression hits the next season.

Whereas when you get in a groove like that

in a season, I don't look at the Buccaneers as like an unsustainable one-score game winning team.

I look at them as a team that believes they can go win, has experienced going and winning, and is going to continue when they get the ball in those situations to go win.

Well, they are on a heater,

and that's sports sometimes.

But I will say that when you use the word unsustainable, even in this top eight list that we're looking at, there's something unsustainable about six to seven of these teams.

Yes.

Fair.

All right.

Up next, we have the Colts, who, by virtue of just continuing to take care of their business against bad teams, remember, it's been a pretty soft schedule overall for the Colts.

But every time they face a team like that they should beat like the raiders this week they dismantle him dismantle them so i moved them up to seven mark you moved them up to six connors got them up at five justin as well so they're up five spots overall like the bucks up five spots this week and they cracked the top five of the power ranges and i'm going to tell you that doesn't feel necessarily right to me but this is a weird week so i get it number six interesting so the chiefs stay in the top six and i know that's going to get a lot of people fired up because the Chiefs are two and three.

The Chiefs have lost multiple games now, like in island games,

games where we just talked about it with Pete.

They lose in ways that the old Chiefs never would have lost.

I couldn't figure out what to do with the Chiefs.

So I just, I dropped them on my rankings, just one spot at six.

Mark, you have him in the top four, which is hard for me to make sense of.

That seems high, but it's not that different than six.

Connor has him at 12, so Connor buries him.

And that's an eight-spot difference from Sessler, which is interesting.

Justin, you and I, as always, buddy, locks that baby at six as well.

They're down one spot overall.

So take us through that quick, Mark.

Like, they are, to you, a top four team in football, despite now three losses in the first five games.

Well,

if I can pick one team not to press the panic button on, it would be them.

We are four plays away tonight from them having won that game.

And it's a long season.

I think they've gotten out to a slow start.

They've had some key injuries on offense, obviously.

They're figuring out who they are.

I agree that even when I look at this, four looks a little rich, but I'm cool with it because it's like this is the team that's done this year after year after year.

So it's like,

I don't know how you drop them to 12.

Connor is a brother to me.

It's like dropping them to 12.

I want to see

who he has above them because I think that that doesn't say much about the organization that I think is going to work its way out of this, but it's an interesting thing.

That's where he sees them in terms of power.

And you can make the case because they continue to kind of flunk these tests that they've aced in the past.

And I mentioned it to Pete.

I was getting fired up talking about the last possession or two of the game.

I didn't even mention all the things.

I didn't mention that on the kickoff return,

after they lose the lead and

they have

20 seconds or whatever it was, they commit a holding penalty that absolutely kills them and takes the air out of the tires.

But then Mahomes makes a beautiful pass to, I think it was Hollywood Brown, that if he catches and runs with it, there's a chance, the very good chance, they're at least attempting a field goal.

He doesn't get his head around.

He gets hit right in the helmet with the ball.

It's just like, where are the Chiefs?

Are they with Tony Romo?

I have questions about that.

They had like the 53-yard art callback, or was it that kick-return as well?

Like, I just see a couple things on the road in a rowdy environment went against them tonight.

That doesn't usually happen.

We'll see.

Yeah, it's just, they haven't been the same this year.

But anyway, I know what you're saying, and that's why they're still at number six.

Up next, we have the Seahawks at seven.

Now, I ding the Seahawks harder than you guys did.

I had them at seven last week.

I dropped them personally five spots to 12.

Don't feel great about it, but you just got to stand with your decision-making.

You had them at eight.

Connor had them at eight.

Justin had him at seven.

If I maybe,

you know, kind of sat with the power rankings a little longer, I could have gotten him maybe in the top 10, but I didn't.

So they sit at seven, down one spot.

And finally, in the first tier, the 49ers coming off that gutty win in Los Angeles.

Again, I'm not quite lined up with you guys.

I really respected what the Niners did like everyone else in that game.

I had them personally moving up

five spots from 18 to 13.

But Mark, you have them at 7th.

Connor, you have them at ⁇ Connor has him at 6th and Justin at 9th.

So they're up five spots.

But yeah, I still think it's a team that's missing a lot of pieces and isn't

clicking on all gears.

And

I do not take this away from the Niners, Mark.

Because that win was an excellent win and getting that stuff to win the game and how gutty Mac Jones was in it.

It was like, but a little, do I give it a little bit of a Thursday night asterisk in terms of weird shit happens on Thursday?

Like, for instance, I still think the Rams in my heart are a much better team right now than San Francisco.

Maybe not much better, but better.

That's why I'm not with you guys on this one.

I could see it through whatever lens you want to.

I look at a team that is missing like eight key components and knocked out a division rival that knows them better than anyone.

And it was the Rams.

We We were talking about this, it was the Rams' prime spot to drop a bomb on San Francisco, and the reverse happened.

It told me a lot about the Niners, and that they've, it's the opposite of giving up.

So I'm comfortable with seven because I think we move into a really bland and milquetoast group of teams after this tour.

Well, I got to assume as we go to tier two that the Rams are going to be number nine.

And if they're not, that's insane.

Let's see.

Yeah, there they are number nine.

Because

I kind of took what your path was with the Chiefs, and I said, I'm not going to get too crazy about

the Rams and hurting them because they get picked off in the last second on Thursday Night Football.

I keep them at four, but you have them down at 12.

Connor at nine, Justin at 11.

But because you guys are more down on them off that loss, they're down six spots to number nine.

Well, we all miss a playoff team, though.

And I'll just say on the Niners ranking, like, I had them at nine, but I could see an argument for any of our nine through 13 swapping with the with the niners and i'd be like yeah this is like a a tier for me nine through 13.

it's a suit yeah it's a suit right there so yeah so then 10 the broncos so i had them at number nine mark also at number nine connor at number 10 Justin at number eight.

So a great win.

Obviously, knocking off the defending champion, Eagles, six spots up.

Feels good.

The Packers, I don't get this one.

They're on by.

I don't get this.

Buy doesn't help you in these things, I think.

This is something, unsolicited advice from a Power Rankings veteran.

You have to have buy discipline.

And what does that mean?

That means you can't, just because they didn't play,

you can't move them up too much or move them down too much.

My rule was they always had to be within three at the most in either direction.

So for me, for instance, I kept kept the Packers.

I had them at six last week.

I actually, they kind of moved up a spot for me with all the moving up and down of all these teams that lost.

But you guys have them tumbling down the board, it appears.

Mark, you have them at 11.

I think I had them kind of close to that a week ago.

Okay, I don't know what it was like.

Connor at

15.

He has them in the Twilight Zone.

Justin at 10.

They're down four spots.

This is why you guys got this one wrong.

I just got to be real.

They're down four spots in a week where most of the top 10 lost, and yet they also come down as if they lost.

Well,

you know what they are to me right now?

I think that makes sense to me.

Wouldn't they, if anything, go up?

Instead, they come down like they are another team that lost this week.

I don't get that one.

I am married at times to aesthetics.

I think they left a bad taste in my mouth to some degree, and they feel like this week.

They feel like the long-distance girlfriend that's not calling you back.

So it's like,

I need some attention.

I mean, I understand understand you're distancing yourself from them, but I mean,

man.

Anyway,

again, 11 playoff team.

Playoff team.

Yeah, but that's, see, that's, Justin, that is, that's an amateur move in power rankings.

Like, oh, I forgot about them.

So let me just keep drawing.

I'm not saying that I forgot about them.

I was, I was thinking, what are they doing?

Farbuck's going to be all over this.

I was just thinking,

the Broncos have got to come up.

They knocked off our number one team.

The Niners beat the Rams on Thursday night.

The Commanders dominated the the Chargers, and I couldn't even bring myself to put the Commanders ahead of them.

There was just so many other teams in this mix that I'm like, these teams are all the same amount of goodness, but I have to put them in order.

You could also say fifth is a, you could look sideways at fifth for the Packers and be like, why?

Really?

Why?

A little concerned about the last two games they played.

They didn't even lose their last game.

How did they not even lose their last game?

And they've dropped probably, where were they last week, Justin?

Last week or the week before last week, week, before they lost the

tied.

Well, after the Cowboys tie.

How about that?

After the Cowboys' tie, they were seventh.

They were sixth the week before that.

So they've gone from six to seven to five.

And then they dropped freefall

five spots after not playing or four spots.

If I take it back to pre-Browns' loss, they were two.

So they're going from two to six to seven to eleven.

Well, that, but that's sort of what's going on.

The Browns are actually not a terrible loss.

I thought the Browns are a tough team.

Why are we killing the Packers right now?

I think it was.

Farbuck's going to be all over this.

Well, that's already preordained, but I'm not sure.

I'll deal with Farbuck when he leaves one of his little

Ipra.

The bots of Ipra are crawling all over this spun right now.

All right.

The Commanders stay at 12.

There is a difference here.

I have them at 11.

Mark has them at 13.

Connor has them all the way up at 7.

Justin at 12, but they stay at 12 in our rankings.

The Jaguars coming off that win.

This one's a little surprising.

A little surprising that we could have the Chiefs at six.

Still, the Jaguars beat the Chiefs in a dramatic win.

They only move up one spot.

I have them at 10.

Mark, you have them at 10.

Connor has them at 11.

And Justin, you have them at 13.

Does that make sense?

Does that even make sense?

This is my dilemma.

I get to this point and I'm like, well, I'm not going to move them above a team that just won 27.

No, no, no.

Does it even make sense?

How could they be 13 if it's 10, 10, 11, and 13?

Well, so the average of those numbers is actually 11,

but

an average of 11 is our 13th highest average.

And now let me get to this point that I want to make because you have that very fun envelope wager with Connor, which we're all enjoying.

It, the wager was, Mark, this is way on my radar.

And if Ipra,

I woke up.

If Ipra ever got a whiff, if Farbuck and

Ipra ever got a whiff of what's going on here, that there is a side wager about which team finishes higher in the power rankings, 49ers or Jaguars, if I'm not mistaken.

Obviously, these individuals that are connected to this envelope

situation, this indecent proposal, it could impact where they rank these teams all year.

Like, if Farbeck even gets a whiff of this, we can get, well, we could be threat level black.

We could be banned from the alliance.

Yeah, you get the sense that these guys have like slush funds

somewhere to

you know, there's a lack of professionalism with our power rankings that is really been eyeballing.

Well, you don't point that light at yourself ever.

It's just typically the other three are annoying you.

That's how it seems to me.

I don't hear any self-critique or sense of self-improvement.

It's just the other three are doing things wrong left and right.

It'll be nice.

It's on my radar.

Thank you, Paul Rudd.

Award-winning actor.

The Chargers.

Yes, I was just going to say, to the integrity thing there.

So the bet is that the Jags, I win if the Jags finish higher in the power rankings than the Niners.

And yet...

I rank the Niners ahead of the Jags this week.

So it's all weird.

But to Dan's point, you're almost showboating

integrity, right?

It's like I did what you said I couldn't do, and I've gone against the, it's like, do it for a couple weeks.

If you really want to be gravy, if you really, you're,

you don't bullshit a bullshitter, you never hear that expression?

Of course, the first week, you're going to make it seem like integrity wins out.

To verbalize the point you just know that me and Sessler are going to police this very closely for both you and Or.

That's going to be that.

All right, let's get through the rest of this.

Chargers down six spots with all their injuries and losses mounting.

The Steelers off.

Hold on, Chargers.

We all had the same.

Look at that.

Oh, look at that.

All 15.

15.

We need to come up with a term for that when we're four across.

Connect four.

That happened three times this week.

We all picked them at 15, so they're ranked 14th.

Okay.

Nope,

I get it.

I hope we're doing this correctly.

No, it's basically.

Oh, where's Nick Nolte?

Something's going on with the numbers.

Something doesn't seem right about the numbers.

There's something happening here.

I can post something.

Is there something going on?

What's up with all these blue chips?

Justin, don't worry.

We vaguely trust you.

The Steelers on a bye.

There you go.

They just stay where they are, up one spot to 15, more or less.

The Patriots off that great win in Orchard Park.

I thought they would be higher.

Not as much buy-in yet from everyone else, but I have them up to 14, as does Sessler.

Justin and Connor have him at 17.

Up six spots into tier two.

Congratulations.

Tier three,

the Dallas Cowboys stomp the Jets.

Connor not buying in.

He's got him at 20 still, but the rest of us at 16.

The Vikings are up one spot.

I am not as pumped up about the Vikings right now.

I have them at 20.

Connor, Mark has him at 18.

Connor at 16.

Justin at 19.

The Bears on a bye.

There we go.

dropping two spots.

Sorry, guys, for not playing this week.

Number 20, Texans.

They finally get off the mat against the Ravens team.

That's all sorts of messed up right now.

They're up three spots at 20.

The Falcons on bye.

They are down one spot to 21.

The Ravens, biggest free fall.

Is this the biggest free fall of the season by any team?

Well, it could have been Bengals, but yes, this.

So actually, that's a good call.

It's in that neighborhood, though.

And that's never a neighborhood you want to be living in.

I have him at 21.

Mark, 22.

Connor, 21.

Justin, 21.

Down 11 spots to 22.

Now sitting at 1-4.

The Cardinals coming off that unholy loss.

Down two spots to 23.

The Browns.

Okay.

The Browns are up four spots.

I don't know how that's possible.

I am at 25.

Mark has him at 28.

That seems overly harsh.

Connor at 25.

Justin at 24, but they're up four spots.

Let's check out tier four.

There must be some funny business here.

Well, there's a lot of garbage here.

Yeah, a lot of floatsome, jetsome, jetsome, floats them.

Panthers up five spots with their second win in three weeks.

They've been

bouncing back and forth.

Even Connor, who I think had him dead last last week, moved him up to 26.

The G-Men down two spots to 26 after losing New Orleans.

The Cincinnati Bengals continue their tumble all the way down to 27.

I have them at 30.

I mean, I think they're as bad as any team in the league right now.

But you guys had them at 26, 24, 26.

How Justin likes his women.

Number 28, the Raiders.

I have them at 27.

Mark has them at 25.

Connor has them at 28.

Justin has them at 29.

They're down two spots and going in the wrong direction.

The Saints get a win.

They move up two spots to 29.

The Dolphins lose to the Panthers, down three spots at 30.

The Titans up one spot

to

number 31 after their first win.

I originally had the Jets at 31 and the Titans at 32,

but then I was like, I can't do that.

The Jets are winless.

The Jets are rudderless.

The Jets are the Jets.

So we all have them dead last, down three spots to number 32.

Unbelievable.

There we go.

The power rankings.

I got a couple fun facts on the power ranking.

All right.

How fun?

What level?

That was

the Ravens, the biggest fall from one week to the next.

The second biggest was the Dolphins after week one when we were like, wait, what is this team?

And they fell 10 spots.

And the other one is that we were perfectly aligned on three teams: number one, number 14, who we all had at 15, and number 32, top, middle, last.

Everything else in the middle was all kinds of crazy.

Indeed.

Wild times.

Wild times indeed.

Thank you, Justin.

We appreciate your hard work.

That is it for the Monday Night Podcast.

We will be back Wednesday, End Around Show.

Very special guest.

I think you guys are going to be really pumped up about who's joining us on the End Around.

I won't say anything else, but I think you guys are going to be very happy

who's joining us on the show on Wednesday.

So be there for that and

make sure you check out the Patreon, patreon.com slash heed the call.

We have a big announcement coming up for the Patreon, a new program about to roll out over on those,

on that end of things.

And also a brand new episode of it came from the subreddit.

It'll be out this week.

So a lot of fun stuff, including the draft.

All sorts of content.

But that's it.

It's time to say goodnight.

Mark, final words.

I don't need to say final words because we will invariably be back in just a couple days to keep talking.

And

that's how this works.

That's why we're here.

Goodbye.

Good night.

Heed the call.

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