The Ball Knower + Joe Flacco Traded & TNF Preview

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Boy,

I am here to speak to the great Ballknower.

Welcome, Curious One.

You may see the Ball Knower, but first, you must surrender your devices.

No flash photography or recording of any kind shall be permitted.

Understood.

The ball knower will see you now.

Hello.

I am the ball knower.

The one who knows ball.

If you deny me as a true knower of ball,

then it is you

who does not knoweth ball.

That is called irony.

How can I help you today?

Great Ball Knower.

Since the days of summer,

we have viewed the Pittsburgh Steelers as a half-baked concoction fiddling with their own destiny.

Go on.

It's true, akin to the mom trying to dress like a plaything just out of Vassar College.

Unserious to the public, yet here comes this mother now.

Three in one.

Atop an AFC North that gives off the putrid scent of a child's playground set ablaze by dumped chemicals and neighborhood gangs of youth run amok.

So I ask you, ball knower,

the knower of ball items,

are the Steelers a playoff team?

Or will I sit on a couch betwixt a pair of large Pittsburgh defenders in January and make jokes and attempt to fit in, to blend in?

I'm not a podcaster of minor renown, I'd say.

I'm one of you, these men eating fish heads straight from the fish's body and punching holes in the wall

while I dream of my books.

Or will these Steelers be battling in January for AFC footholds and glory?

What say you, glorious Ball Knower?

I am indeed the Ball Knower.

If anyone says I am not the Ball Knower,

let me know.

Okay.

This Pittsburgh Steelers team you speak of, yes, I have been thinking about them.

Strange outfit

led by a very odd man,

the one they call Rogers.

I do believe that they are a team that could be successful,

but you are a fool,

a fool, if you believe they are a team to be taken seriously.

The ball knower looks into a future and sees

great peril

for these

stealers.

Things look great now.

The AFC North is upside down.

The one they call Flacco will start for two teams in four weeks.

But the

Raven will fly again.

Oh yes, it will.

on week 18 the raven will touch down at heinz field ha ha ha I mean Akra Shaw

and defeat the steel men

and win the tiebreaker at nine and eight

the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers will go home and the Ravens will live one more week

how How else can I help you?

The ball noah has spoken and I know ball.

And then if anybody says I do not know ball,

you just let me know because I definitely know ball.

We do not doubt that that is an ominous prediction for the rest of the division.

Do you not see

the relationship, the chemistry between Aaron Rodgers, maybe someone who has stung the ball noah in the past?

Right where it counts

and DK Metcalf.

Do you not see the the rising run game that sliced through the Minnesota defense in a Steelers defense that is looking more like the defense we knew?

Do you not know?

The things that look good in the golden light of fall

change when the leaves fall from the tree and reality is as naked as the tree in your backyard.

Now you begin to anger me.

The ball knower, who knows ball,

I swear,

has told you that the Steelers are not to be taken seriously.

And the one they call Rogers must stay healthy for four months.

The bye week came early for the one they call Rogers.

That will factor in as well.

Mark my words.

I am done with you.

You have angered me.

I can only take you at your word.

Little concern for the boy,

but that's for a different day.

You have angered the spirits.

Be gone!

Who Who else?

Who else dares to speak to the ballknower?

Who definitely knows ball?

It is I.

It is I, Connie Fox,

that would like to see the ball knower.

Ah, yes.

The fair haired one.

Yes, the tiny box, the smallest of the boxes.

I come to you seeking answers.

I am desperate.

I'm at my wit's end.

I can't find answers anywhere.

I've looked high, I've looked low, I've looked even higher and higher, but

now I come to you, and

apparently you know Ball.

This equals offense.

What is it?

Where will it go?

Do you have answers for me for where we will go in the future with this team?

Nobody knows to this point.

There seems to be an identity crisis.

There seems to be people unhappy all the time.

They seem to be winning still, but it just feels that there's a pall over this team.

What is happening?

Help me, Ball Noah.

The tiniest of the boxes,

the energy suggests you might be a fan of this team they call Eagles.

This might be true.

Your concerns are founded.

Where do you find Athers?

Dare you speak over the Balnoah?

No, I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry.

As a minor aside,

what do you think of my turtleneck?

I can't see it.

It's so dark.

Ball, nowhere, where are you?

I'm everywhere at once.

Box.

Eagles have struggled.

There was an item

that the messenger carried in about

a meeting.

A closed-door meeting

between

teammates and one

Arthur Juan Brown.

I know ball, I even know the initials.

And that tells me that once again there is dissension amongst the ranks of the champions.

They don't have an identity.

The one they call Alan Moore exists in a different state, far, far away.

Patulla.

Alan Moore.

Alan Moore.

Patula.

Struggles.

And the question is: is the one they call Siriani ready to step in?

I ask you this, Box.

Do you believe

in this coaching staff?

Do you believe there is danger of a mutiny behind the scenes?

I want to believe in this offense, great ball knower.

I really do.

I truly do.

I pray about it every single night.

It's in my dreams.

I can't get away from it.

But the doubt, it just keeps creeping in.

And that's why I'm here, because I fear, unfortunately,

that they will be the reason for their own demise.

At least tell me that's not the truth.

It is not the ball knowers'

role to make you feel better, Box.

I believe the Eagles are in trouble.

I believe the Eagles fly with broken wings.

And they will stumble.

They will survive the regular season, but they will be one and done in the playoffs.

And there will be many an uncomfortable question.

Great question.

I don't mean to cut you off.

Is there any...

You never cut off the ball, Noah.

But go on.

Is there anything I can do to preserve the future for the Eagles?

Say,

write some notes and then burn them or some type of small sacrifice of sorts.

Yes, witchcraft, I understand.

I am well familiar with it.

Yes, I would say the only way to save the broken-winged eagle

is to do a bunch of witchy shit.

That is all I have to say, and that is all

the Balnoa needs to say.

Because I believe, boy, is our subway otter ready for pickup.

Indeed, it is, great ball lower.

Thank you.

I like the meatball hero.

Be gone

and be well.

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Colleen Wolf.

Connie's the queen.

Oh my goodness.

Look at this.

You guys.

Hi.

What a time.

I don't even know what to say.

I'm so excited.

I'm not even viewing this as work or a job.

I texted this to Mark yesterday.

This is more of like a social event, like we're just hanging out as friends, and I'm very excited about it.

That's how we view our

show as well, right, Dan?

Oh, absolutely.

Welcome to He the Call and NFL podcast.

Dan hands us Mark Sessler, Justin Graver on the ones and twos, and yes, love lift us back where we belong.

Colleen Wolf, welcome to Heat the Call, darling.

Hey guys, it's been way too long.

I'm so excited to see you again.

This is the highlight of my week, which doesn't say a lot about my life in general, but it does say a lot about my love for you.

Yes, we love you too, Connie, and it's so great to have you back on the show.

And, you know,

there was that, I don't know, I feel like I did.

It's weird.

I have like this deja vu.

Like, we already have had a conversation today on today's show.

But maybe that's just me projecting that, you know, I know you're the number one Eagles fan in our lives and

how you feeling right now defending Champs?

We haven't spoken since they've defended the title.

Everything good on that end?

Well,

actually, we have spoken since they defended the title because we went and had a little jaunty day in Hermosa Beach on the strand.

And we met for a beer, and it was so nice to see you at that point.

And things were better then.

I think.

Are you referring to, Colleen, the

get-together that was short-circuited for me when I bent down to pet your dog and strained my quad?

We're in the best shape of our lives.

I mean,

we've just never been healthier, I don't think.

Well, it was short-circuited for me because I was not apparently invited.

So

have a great time.

Open door policy for Mark Sessler at all times.

We got to get you out to get a mark to the South Bay is like getting Jesus to come back to Earth,

but we try.

i know the south bait back and forth trust me trust me okay we will we will all eat together again yeah we must we must but i did want to say real quick that when i was in dublin what last week two weeks ago there were many tiny box uh calls cat calls uh maybe and it really warmed my heart that uh there were many people like tiny boxing me down the street and i just want to say i appreciate it and it's really loaded these These words are loaded.

And usually,

a tiny box cat call would lead one to believe it wasn't pleasant, but it sounds like it was coming from a more of a friendly place from the Irish.

It's always been a confusing nickname for some.

Yeah, it's, I think, for all, probably,

but it was very heartwarming to hear those words.

In any other setting, not so much, but there, it was very much a like secret handshake.

Very nice.

I love it.

This is the Wednesday end around show, Connie.

So we're just going to just jump around and

check in on what's going on in our league and

it'll just be a fun hang because we're all back together.

Made it nice.

Yeah.

It's back together Wednesday here on the show.

Ah, look at that.

Look at the synergy.

She's connecting all the dots.

She's on it.

Without further ado, you want to dive into some news?

Let's Let's have some conversations about stuff in our league.

You know, right off the top, I like this.

Gravy producing on a higher level.

Week five, fun facts.

Through five weeks, Sam Darnold now leads all quarterbacks in both PFF grade and EPA per play.

How about that, Mr.

Donald?

I like that.

You don't need to be the ball knower to see that Sam Darnold's playing at a high level.

And yet, I do, Connie, it did bother me that even

one of the best games of his career, it's the interception that costs the Seahawks the win.

Are you buying in on Darnold as a real guy, a real dude at this point?

I love Sam Darnold.

I loved Sam Darnold last year, and my love for him continues.

I felt like he got

his sample size last year with the Vikings was significant where he played really well.

And it was always just like the Kevin O'Connell of it all.

And that, oh, look at the way he ended the season.

It's the same old Sam Darnold.

but I still believe in Sam Darnold.

And I feel like his pairing with the Seahawks is perfect, and he's still showing that he has those same talents that we saw from him in Minnesota.

And this could be a possibility where, I don't know, maybe I'm, maybe this is a little hyperbolic, but this could be their franchise quarterback for a while for the Seahawks if he continues to play this well.

I agree.

I agree.

I totally agree.

And it's weird that as this is happening, Geno Smith is maybe playing for his job against what is it, Gravies Titans

on Sunday because I believe he has Connie's Eagles the week after that.

So, and then a bye week, and then a bye week.

So, just it's crazy how everything shifts.

And here's another fun fact.

And this one is, this is Mark, one of the sadder fun facts

out there in our league.

Week five.

Does anybody remember, like, Colleen, where were you in your life when the NFL realigned divisions in 2002?

2002, I was in high school.

So

I don't remember my high school experience.

I was driving a Trans Am

and it had

the windows were taped up and there was a chunk off the front of it.

It looked like a shark took a bite out of it.

I was not on this planet at that point.

You know what?

When I picture, because I've seen photos of, you know, young connie uh on social media and whatnot and so my image is you wearing gigantic baggy jeans yeah very short hair a puka shell necklace maybe absolutely a licensed picture with one maybe a nose piercing maybe something some last year

i took it out mark did that also last year so you guys have that in common incorrect

I was I was at um when when a line when the alignment was um introduced and it became a talking point, I lived in Denver and at the end of the 2001 season, I was at a Browns bar,

a Browns backers bar, which was, by the way, the largest fan contingent in the country back then, and got into a fight with another Browns fan about realignment.

That's my only memory of it.

Are you serious?

Yeah, I got not a physical, but it was like a shouting match between me and this like burly guy that looked like

a smaller Hulk Hogan, but not small.

But like we got a huge fight about realignment.

That's all I got.

That might be literally the worst reason to ever get into a fight.

It was a terrible

division realignment.

It was a terrible reason to get into a fight, but that is my memory.

I mean, while we're here, what was your take?

Were you strongly anti?

I said the Browns would be a playoff team the next year, and he was a very angry Browns fan that was disappointed with it.

It was the Butch Davis Browns at the time.

They did make the playoffs the next year.

But what did that have to do with realignment?

Well, I mean, I I don't know what the point was there.

It seems like that's a little foggy for you as well, Mark.

I thought his point

was not crystal clear.

This was at the end of a Browns loss, and so he was about, this is a Browns fan.

He was about 18 to 19 beers in.

I had my wits about me, and I think I felled him verbally and then left.

Wonderful.

Well, here's the thing.

Week five was only the fourth time since the AFC South was formed in 2002 that all four AFC South teams won in the same week.

This happened previously in week eight, 2019, week 15, 2007, week five, 2007.

Now, I guess I would want a little bit of context.

Like, is this a rare thing?

I can't imagine it is.

I would have to guess, Justin, maybe this is something you could work on for the next six hours.

I would have to guess that every other division has done this at least 20 times, like 12 times, 15 times, 70 times, five times in in 23 years.

Come on, clean up that South Gravy.

Clean it up.

Justin, I couldn't be more clear as a prompt for you to enter the conversation.

You're literally wearing a Titans uniform.

Oh.

Oh, his microphone's off now.

Dude, oh, man, this couldn't be worse.

Oh,

right.

Sorry.

Hey,

thanks.

How's it going?

Yeah, I was actually 10 years old when the divisions were realigned.

All right.

All right.

You want me to.

Do you actually have your own podcast?

Is that.

I mean, this research could take me out of the rest of the show, but

we have about as much use for the AFC South as a cat has for pajamas, so I think we can

shift out of that.

What about Dragon Johns and the Colts?

I like them, but I don't either.

How about Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars?

I know, right?

Okay.

How about Cam Ward and those Titans on a one-game winning streak?

All right.

I went too far.

Let's touch on some news.

Joe Flacco on the move again.

The journey of Joe Flacco.

We had this right, Mark.

Let's put it on the record.

Monday night show, we said,

Coach speak never lies if you know how to decode it.

And Zach Taylor made it very clear without saying it that Jake Browning was done.

Now, we we looked at the depth chart and we said, ah, Mike White, sure.

Your boy Brett Ripion?

All right.

No, in fact, those guys aren't even on the team anymore.

They've both been cut because they trade for 40-year-old Joe Flacco.

And to a sign of the times, Connie,

how

down bad Cincinnati is during this three-game losing streak after the Burrow injury.

He's starting on Sunday against the Packers.

And Joe Flacco started for another team against the Packers like three weeks ago, a 13-10 Browns win, actually, over the Packers.

And now he's playing them again.

So how could Cincinnati's be in this state?

And do you think it was the right move to pull the trigger on this trade and put Flacco right into the lineup?

Of course not.

I mean, this is a midweek trade, and you have, obviously, he's a veteran, but he doesn't move, first of all.

So

the entire acquisition is just weird for me.

I feel like there were many other options that they could have gone with, the Bengals, maybe a Jameis Winston even.

I mean, sure,

he's going to throw interceptions and do his Jameis thing, but he's also going to chuck the ball down the field and he can move.

Joe Flacco cannot move and this offensive line is terrible.

And you have Micah Parsons on the other side.

So it's like they're just trying to get him killed.

And he's a 40-year-old.

He's...

can't move around that well, even though 40 is the new 20 does.

And I do want you to know that in general, just for like everyone out there but go off queen

quarterbacks so i'm i'm not into it i'm so sad they didn't bring back andy dalton if you're gonna go with an old veteran why don't you bring back dalton the glowing ginger man that would have been perfect you're so right and uh so then you would so you look at it mark and say okay they they they pawned off uh pickett sent him to the raiders where he might be starting soon by the way and then they peel off flacco so this giant depth chart that cleveland had this summer is being peeled one by one away So now you have Dylan Gabriel who's going to make his second start.

He's like, okay, now Shador Sanders will slide into the backup role.

We're not there yet.

Here's Stefanski on the depth chart in Cleveland.

Have you decided if Shador is going to be your number two active quarterback for this weekend yet?

Well, first I tell you is the Joe trade took us by surprise.

That was not something that we saw coming.

You know, they called us and

it happened very fast and happened not too long ago so still working through all roster type of things um i just i always have to be mindful of uh our players and our players development and you know

i want to make sure that i'm always doing what's best for our players and of course our team but um you know with young players i'm always thinking about last week making the change with to dylan i you have to think long and hard about that because these are these are young players that you're so invested in their development so i'll let the week play out and make a decision later on that.

Okay.

By the way, Shador Sanders, for his part, he's speaking again to the media, not miming voices.

And here he is from what looks to be like a used car expo

talking to a local reporter in Cleveland.

A lot of cars.

Oh, Joe Flaggog getting traded.

He was definitely somebody I leaned on for wisdom.

And I feel like he helped me a lot.

He helped me a lot while my time being here in Cleveland and his time being here in Cleveland.

So now,

you know, everybody has their own destinies and have their own plans they have in life.

So I'm just happy for him.

Have you talked to him yet?

Yeah, I've seen him in the facility.

I've seen him.

Before or after the news?

After, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, and then

I'm like, dang, that happened quick.

Like, that was crazy.

The only thing I really cared about was just him being interviewed on the floor of a car expo.

It wasn't also an aggressive news microphone.

It was like a very aggressive microphone.

You know, like, I think it's clear that the Browns are not comfortable, or Stefanski is not comfortable with the idea of Shorter Sanders on the field yet.

I kind of think they did Joe a favor, right?

Because, like, this is the end of Joe's career, and like, he's stuck in this mire in Cleveland.

It's like when the trade, they didn't seek the trade, but if it came to them from the Bengals, if that's how it went,

he's got a chance to keep playing.

And I think the Browns and the organization and the town love Joe Flacco.

It's weird that he's going to the Bengals, they've literally never had a trade together since the Browns came back into the league.

But I think that was an act of good service.

The season right now, and I think we've got to where we need to go, right?

If you're a Browns-focused person, Dylan Gabriel, it's your team.

Let's see what you can do.

If it goes completely south, we check out Shador.

And I think neither one of them are guaranteed a spot to be the quarterback beyond this year.

And everyone with a brain inside of their skull or helmet sees that.

Yeah, and I'm looking at the Bengals schedule.

This is going to be a tough, a very tough one, obviously, in Green Bay.

Green Bay coming off their bye,

brand new quarterback.

You know, if they don't take this one, they're 2-4.

And then they get into, I don't want to say must win at 2-4, but you're home on Thursday night against the Steelers, and you kind of got to find a way to win that game.

And then you get the Jets after that.

So there is a path to Cincinnati hanging around.

They just can't crater.

And I credit the Bengals, even though I don't know if this is going to work, but I credit the Bengals for saying we can't just sit on our hands and wait for Jake Browning to stop killing us.

So it's a little bit of an emergency lever flip.

Lever versus lever.

Talk about it.

But one that I vouch for.

Yeah, it is lever.

I know, but lever is kind of funny.

Yeah.

Lever, yeah.

Who's saying lever?

I've never heard flip the lever.

Maybe the ball knower.

Yeah.

Maybe if that segment gets a part two very much up in the air,

that lever lever will be discussed.

I just feel like this, I don't even feel like it's right to give the Bengals credit for this move because it's such a watered-down move.

Yeah, I'm not going crazy about it, Connie.

I'm just saying they did something.

This is some of the worst interceptions I've seen all season long.

And it's not like he's going to have time to throw in Cincinnati now.

Like, it's just, it doesn't make any sense to me.

All right.

Do you have something?

Do you have a Dion thing to throw in here while we're on the Sanders beat market before we go.

So Dion was asked about this, and I found his response unrewarding.

Wondering what you reacted.

I don't give a damn about the Browns at all.

I care about the Colorado Buffaloes.

I do love me, so I'm sure Dorn Sanders don't believe that.

I care about him.

The rest of that mess, I don't.

Okay?

I'm a coach trying to win just like they're trying to win games, but I could care less of who

they trading.

The rest of that mess, he called the entire organization.

So it's like the Q rating, like there is no ceiling to contain the Q rating for the Cleveland Browns at this point.

Wow.

That organization is such a disaster.

God.

All right.

In other news,

you know, our buddy Gannon.

I, you know, again, we talked about that the Cardinals lost in depth on Monday night, so we we won't go into that anymore.

But again,

Jonathan Gannon was super pissed, obviously, with his running back, DiMercado.

They were going to be up 28-6 in the fourth quarter against the Titans.

And then everything went to hell.

He drops the ball before he gets there.

And then Gannon goes up to the running back and it kind of makes contact with him, Kilmer style.

And now he's been fined $100,000 for the sideline altercation with DiMercado.

That is

a rough one.

But, you know,

sometimes, Mark, like we've been doing this long enough where, you know, as a coach begins his death spiral,

there are little like signposts along the way and kind of physically assaulting your one of your players on the sideline after a particularly memorable gaffe, that feels like one of the check marks on the way to the unemployment line.

It does.

I don't think it's the character of Jonathan Gannon.

I don't think anyone would argue that.

It was a bit of an outlier, but it might be the kind of loss.

And we live in this world now where stuff just gets crescendoed.

It might be too big of a loss to get over.

Here's the problem a little bit, because I kind of looked at what, where do they get back on track?

And we forget about this.

They play the Colts, the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Seahawks over the next month.

That's a rough ride.

Now, they are fourth in points allowed.

Like, they are a good defense in terms of that statistic.

They will be tested.

That's meant to be what he's about.

But you're right, Dan, you start to lose the foundation when you have a loss that is so confounding where, like, children and mothers and grandmothers hear about it on the news.

It makes like the national news for its oddities.

And then it's like, this poor guy has to try to claim his way out of this.

Like, we already don't believe in the Cardinals.

So we're in a bit of a rough patch here if you're an Arizona follower.

I liked your journey, your arc with the Cardinals this year was a little different than past years where you were still faulty, but yes.

You were in, you were in in the summer, and then you were in pretty good in week three,

and then by week four, you were like, I'm definitely out.

Get out of there.

So your hands are a little clean on this one, but it was close.

It was a close call.

I kicked open that airplane door and just jumped right out with my parachute that didn't open.

Did you visit the ball knower and get a little heads up on this one?

You never know.

That would be a prequel episode.

We'd have to go prequel on that.

The ball knower was on the flight with Mark and then that direct

jumped.

I want your thoughts on this, Connie, by the way.

Well, first of all,

how can you as a head coach let your emotions get a hold of you to the point where you're putting your hands on another player?

Obviously, this is not a situation where he hurt the other player, but this is something that is super embarrassing for the other player too, to like be berating him on the sideline and then to physically touch him.

Like that is where the line for me is drawn.

And I think that we're going to see how the players feel about Gannon, really, because if it's something where this was just like a one-off and the players do respect him and like him, that this is something that they can probably move on from.

But if not, it's like, we'll probably see how do you respect a head coach that does that and then apologizes?

Like, that, that just feels like a relationship breaker for me.

Locker room loser, yeah.

Yeah.

And one thing, and one thing visually, like, if you go watch that video and it's hard to see what Gannon is doing

because DiMarcado is surrounded by two teammates who are comforting him and telling him, like, this is part of it, dude.

Like, you're going to make these mistakes.

We got you.

And like, the coach, I think a little bit, like, let the teammate help the player.

Let the team come together and find their way out of it.

Then he got involved, and it's like,

I don't know, it just looks even worse.

It was like this player is already down on

himself, obviously.

You foist yourself into it.

Well, how about this, Colleen?

To draw on our shared personal experiences, if you remember Weslemania 2

out there in Marina Del Rey.

Was this like 2015?

When is this?

Yeah, the great late Chris Wesling threw these ragers by the sea.

And

late one night, there was a wild-eyed, like a crazy-eyed, like a Sanchezian-eyed Mark Sessler who started throwing punches, prompting, as I was protecting myself.

I was saying, I don't know if you remember the exact quote, Colleen.

Real punches?

Real punches.

Real punches.

And I'll just let you know, Mark, that I forgave you for that.

And I still loved you then, and I still love you now.

But I do think you lost the locker room a little bit.

I think I did.

Um, that was a different mark

than today.

I had walked from Culver City to the sea.

No, all-time moment, all-time memory of mine.

I was like trying to get Mark to Weslemania, and I was getting like these dispatches from Mark.

Hey, Mark, are you coming?

Are you coming?

He's like, Yeah, I'm getting there.

I'm getting there.

And then I'm sitting in the balcony.

Wes had a little like balcony off like the living room.

And then I see this guy.

It's like a warm summer day or late spring day, and he's in like full jeans and a like a mark jacket and like dressed like it's the dead of winter.

And he said, Yeah, I had walked across the town to get here.

I was blown away.

I don't think you lose the locker room when you walk eight miles to visit your friends, but I had sun poisoning, and I chalk it up to sun poisoning.

Oh, my God.

Well, F me.

I remember that for sure.

Wow.

Yeah.

Here's Brian Callahan, by the way, the Titans coach.

He was the beneficiary, I should say, of the dropped ball.

And this is an epidemic, and it started, Connie, with your Eagles, I feel like, with Deshaun Jackson once upon a time.

And it's just like, it's remained a part of our league.

Strangely, it's happened, what, like two weeks in a row now?

Here's Callahan on that, on the whole thing of the dropping the ball at the goal line.

Yeah.

God, every time it happens, you bring it up.

Yeah, we have a saying, we call it, we say letters and logos, you know, and you never, never, never, never, never under any circumstance, do you let go of the ball until you're through the letters and the logos of the end zone?

Oh, thank you, Brian Calla.

That's something that I know every team in the league preaches.

Thank God.

Every time it happens, we show it.

On Fridays, we show it.

We show it when it happens in college.

We show it when it happens in college.

Get rid of this.

We show it to Donald Mitchell last week.

It's like Brian Calley's like, yeah, once we score a touchdown, we're definitely going to drop the ball in the center of the end zone.

Run through the line,

you're never going to have a problem.

And,

you know, the producer won't keep it.

You can just keep the ball in your hand so you can keep it for later.

You know what I mean?

That's,

I don't know.

It's, it's wild to me that it continues to happen.

And I know it's getting coached everywhere in the league and it pops up three, four times a year, which is,

I mean, at this point, just run the whole transcript of the presser, Justin.

Why are we treating Brian Callahan like Obi-Wan Kenobi just walked off a spaceship?

Like, this is not, I don't know why we're even referring to this.

I just think it's interesting to hear the coach's perspective say, like, we show this every time it happens.

I know it's being shown in every team.

Yeah, but this coach's perspective.

And it still happens.

I mean, when I first saw it happen, my initial reaction was, this is a coaching thing, too.

Even though it is like a boneheaded play, but that feels like it's a play of a player and a team that they're not preaching the fundamentals.

And you don't see that on like a well-disciplined team.

Imagine Peak Belichick, that ever happening with Patriots.

You're not even allowed to reach the ball out over the goal line on the Patriots in a go-to-go situation.

Nobody would ever do that.

Anyway, let's see.

That's not the only fining story.

Fine story?

Find story?

Fine related?

Remember when this is funny?

Jerry Jones during the Cowboys romp of the Jets

gave, and it was caught on video, he flipped the bird to what we assume, we can only assume were Jets fans that were verbally throwing volleys at him in that that moment or throughout the afternoon.

Well, he has also been fined.

What is the fine, Justin?

I missed.

How much you get fined as an owner for giving the middle finger to NFL fans at a venue?

Do we have the numbers?

I don't know if he'll notice.

His city benches.

What do you guys think?

I'm going to guess 100 grand.

Let's see.

Well, while you look for that, I got the number.

You guys want to guess?

Yeah, what does an NFL owner get fined for flipping the bird at NFL fans at a game?

I'm gonna go.

I'd say it should be considering who the owner is, but um,

150.

Yeah, I

give me two.

I'll go the over, even though that feels closest without going over, closest without going over.

Everyone, are we all in lockstep on this?

Okay, here we go.

Justin, final answer:

Colleen wins.

It's 250.

Whoa,

damn, a quarter million.

Let's hear hear Jerry.

Because, by the way, Jerry pleads innocent.

He pleads not guilty.

He said he wasn't even given the finger, which is pretty funny when you see it.

It's on video.

All right, let's hear what Jerry had to say.

Probably

stone sober.

Let's just presume.

You know, that was unfortunate that

that was a kind of an exchange with our fans out in front of us.

There was a swarm of Cowboy fans out in front, not Jet fans, Cowboy fans.

And the entire stadium was brimming with the enthusiasm of Cowboys and certainly late in the game.

And

that was inadvertent on my part because

that was right after we'd made our last touchdown.

And we were all excited about it.

There wasn't any antagonistic issue or anything like that.

I just put up

the wrong show on the hand, but that was inadvertently done.

And I'm not kidding.

It was, if you want to call it accidental, you can call it accidental.

But it got straightened around pretty quick.

I've had a chance to look at it.

It got straightened around pretty quick.

But the intention was thumbs up

and then basically pointing at our fans because everybody was jumping up and down excited.

The intention was thumbs up?

Have you ever meant to give someone a thumbs up and you give them the middle finger?

Can't say that's ever happened to me,

but I know that that now is an option for an excuse in the future.

Right, exactly.

Not for you, but for Jerry Jones.

Here's a little note: the average American's relative fine.

For someone with a net worth of $100,000, a fine of 0.0025% would be $2.50.

For someone worth a net worth of $500,000, it would be $1,250.

For someone with a net worth of $1 million, it would be $25.

Jared is what?

He's a billionaire, right?

Absolutely.

We probably should have hit him with like a $10 million fine.

Make it hurt.

His estimated net worth is approximately $10 billion.

Gosh.

It's tough to find your own boss, though.

Like, how does the NFL really do that?

That is very good.

Well, it's a dog and pony show.

We understand that.

So

Daniel Jones, he's the man of the hour.

We brought him up earlier, Connie.

He came into the league and he had a nickname that became

one that was easily mocked.

He was Danny Dimes.

And

that was...

Something that was kind of thrown back in the face of Giants fans.

Danny Pennys, I believe, is something maybe Eagles fans would throw his way.

In general, it just seemed like a low-wattage nickname.

And yet now

with the Indianapolis Colts, the 4-in-1 Colts, and Jones is playing at a very high level in that offense under Shane Stike, and he is a new moniker.

We haven't discussed this yet, Cesee.

Indiana Jones,

which is, you know, for people of a certain age, like one of the great action stars in the history of, you know, at least 20th century cinema.

The great Harrison Ford, Mark, your hero.

He was on the Manningcast, Jones was, and

Peyton, to his credit, brought up the obvious, like, this feels like an upgrade.

Daniel, when you were on the Giants, your nickname was, of course, Danny Dimes.

Now on the Colts, you picked up the name Indiana Jones, which I love.

Is the real reason you signed with the Colts this offseason

because it gave you the opportunity for a nickname upgrade?

An upgrade, huh?

A nickname upgrade.

I didn't factor that in, but

I'd say it's probably an upgrade.

It's always a nickname.

I feel like I'm always

everywhere.

You got a lot of nicknames.

It's good.

It's good.

Little rough.

That was on a T for him to do something with.

Come on.

He got nothing.

That actually, you know what?

I'm 10% less excited about the cults now as a result of that exchange.

Yeah.

Well, I also,

I take issue with the

instant comparison.

Like, Justin, throw this up here.

Like, I want to introduce people to the young Harrison Ford if you're on YouTube.

Like, I'm sorry.

Do they still call people like a snack?

Like, he looks like that's what they use.

Like,

this is young Harrison Ford.

Like, Danny Dimes is

dude.

Huh?

Just you with the young Harrison Ford stuff.

It's like, it makes me a little uncomfortable sometimes.

I'm just saying they're trying to say, oh, one equals one.

Sex addiction?

You got a problem with sex?

Are you addicted to sex?

The sex sex addiction or something?

Well, you and your little assistant can go down that road, but like where I'm coming from is that this is a cinema icon versus a quarterback who is mid-reclamation project.

I'm very into Daniel Jones in the season, but young Harrison Ford is from a different way.

What do you think, Connie?

Come on.

About Harrison Ford, a young Harrison Ford?

I don't even know.

I'm not even just going to say what do you think.

You take wherever you want.

I'm into Daniel Jones.

I do hate that he reacted that way.

So maybe like not an improv guy, but he has been playing really well on the field.

And Steichen is kind of the perfect offensive coordinator for him.

The offense is so much better under Daniel Jones.

Maybe he's the Sam Darnold of this year now that Sam Darnold, I guess, is kind of like stamped his own way.

But I'm buying it completely.

His numbers are great.

They back it up completely.

And he's cut back on all the turnovers, too.

So I maybe, maybe

as his play improves, his personality will come out too.

I'd like to hope so.

But there might not, there is, and you don't need a personality to win a Super Bowl.

You know, high Nick Foles is an example.

Sorry.

Young Joe Flacco.

Why is he getting,

but like, you know.

I don't know.

I'm not holding my breath on Daniel Jones becoming

an electric factory, I guess, put it that way.

Let's see.

We're still waiting for the zero-star Cam Ward Tubai dock, and we're going to continue to wait.

Do we have any updates on that front, Justin?

Not since I last got that email from Tubi telling me that it had been delayed.

That's okay.

Well, bad news for Sessler and all the other Belichick heads out there.

Bill Belichick in North Carolina's season-long documentary with Hulu is no longer happening.

Inside Carolina reports, and we haven't really touched on this, Mark, on the show anyway.

We'll text about it on the weekends, but like

shit's bad down there in Chapel Hill.

The whole Chapel Bill thing has curdled with

a high level of velocity.

Mike Lombardi, who is somehow the general manager of the operation,

is sending letters to the donors like, hey, hang in there.

We got a plan here.

And they're just getting shellacked by nearly everyone they face.

I don't know how this is ending, but the start has not been good.

No, and like, you know, we've famously, I don't know if famously is the word, but we weren't you and I people that spent a lot of time watching college football because we were attempting to live human lives outside of the NFL structure.

But I have tried to dip into UNC specifically,

unwatchable.

The opening game, you've got Lawrence Taylor there.

You've got Michael Jordan.

They get their doors blown off.

It's a complete embarrassment to anyone of any name.

And it's just gotten worse.

They beat a few

high school level teams.

And if I'm Belichick, here's the thing about Belichick.

Unlike many of us, you own a boat.

I would just get on it and sail away.

Like, you don't need this.

I don't think it lasts beyond the season.

I really don't.

But, like, this is a full tarnishing and it's the on the field it's the off the field that we've discussed get on the boat unmoor it and sail away and leave that jordan back at chapel hill let's just hit a hard reset on the whole leave her in the dorm room this is a bad luck charm that he needs to i like mark that you say sail away because it does remind me your love for enya but i was also thinking about how this is the second time a documentary has been scrapped at unc because right after i mean first it was hard knocks and now it's this one.

So they tried to get another one going.

Now this one is done too.

I wonder why.

I wonder why this continues to be an issue.

All right.

You know, Liam Cohen,

longtime listeners know that

I had a bit of a fascination with Chris Ballard once upon a time, the GM of the cult.

I watched him on the podium at the Combine one year, and I couldn't quite put my finger on what was odd about Ballard, whether it was the way he spoke or carried himself, but there was something to Ballard that

left me just like a touch

touched uncomfortable.

And I don't know why.

I kind of feel the same way about Liam Cohen, head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

I can't put my finger on it.

And he might be an incredible guy, but every time I watch this guy,

the mind wanders.

Connie, the mind wanders.

Let's check this out.

The celebration after their huge win on

Monday night.

Guys, talk about resilience.

Down 14-0.

Come back one play at a time.

How about Devin boys?

Maybe it's an AFC South thing.

I don't know.

I mean,

I feel like

is this just because of the whole like dove all?

And then you just have not been able to move on from.

I'm alone.

I'm the only one that feels this way.

That's okay.

Duval.

I don't like

it.

Sometimes.

I don't quite get it, Dan.

Like, I thought at least I'll say this.

Yeah, the room fired up there, right?

Like, you get a couple coach locker rooms where it's like, oh, these guys are not plugged into this dude.

And, like, he's on borrowed time.

That room was fired up.

I mean, yeah, they seem to be buying in.

I guess he's in, he's in, there's a program that's being developed there.

Is it

the clothing?

Is it the fashion?

Is it the countenance?

What is the issue?

I would wait to see more of an example of the clothing, if that is maybe on the radar, but

I haven't noticed that yet.

That's something I normally would.

And I feel like when he dropped the Devon f ⁇ ing Lloyd line, that really, that drew me back in.

I was like, okay, let's go.

You're dropping hip-coms.

We love it.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

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Oh,

all right.

That's it.

We don't have to get anything else.

Let's stick a pin in it.

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There's a wolf,

there's a wolf,

there's a wolf.

Welcome back.

There's

What a treat.

Connie's back.

And the Eagles are playing an island game.

Eagles at Giants.

At the Meadowlands, the number three Eagles in our power rankings, visiting the number 26 Giants.

And Connie, we get you at, I wouldn't call it an inflection point by any stretch with the Eagles.

But the first time,

all the conversations about are the Eagles actually okay despite being undefeated.

Well,

now they have had a loss.

And it was almost, in a way,

necessary to have a loss to now see what's, it's kind of like a pop the hood moment, right?

Now you have what I think, Connie, is a nice setup.

You're going, yes, it's a division rival on the road, but it's a Giants team team that obviously is a team that's in development and is far less talented.

And yet, I would guess as an Eagles fan, you're not overly comfortable with this game because you're not overly comfortable with your team right now.

I'm not, but just looking at the Giants, the fact that Darius Slayton is not expected to play and they're already down Malik neighbors, and you have this Eagles pass rush that should be able to get after Jackson Dart, no problem, and Saquon Barkley going back to New York again.

This is a matchup that after what they went through last week, it feels like they could get right, even though it's a division game.

And if this went sideways, Philadelphia would fold in on itself.

But it's like, I'm not, I think that this could be a place on the schedule where the Eagles start to try and figure themselves out after the turmoil of last week.

I mean, before it was okay because they were winning, but then once those results don't start coming through the same way, then they're kind of faced to, they have to figure out what the hell is going on.

And I know that they had a team meeting and everything else.

If the results don't show this week, then there is a massive problem.

I would expect the Eagles to win no problem.

I'm with you.

You know, it's part of part of it is the Giants defense.

Like, they've got this pass rush, which is a game-changing element and one of the most exciting parts of the Giants and why you give give them a chance in any game.

But they're giving up 5.6 yards per carry to running backs.

So it's kind of like, all right, maybe with these, if you're a fantasy owner and you own A.J.

Brown or Saquon, you're very disappointed right now.

It's been a travesty, but a get-right game for Saquon Barkley.

And they gave up 114 yards to Rashid Shaheed.

CeeDee Lamb crushed them.

Quentin Johnston crushed the Giants secondary.

So do you finally, because it kind of, this is how it works with wide receivers, like, do you get A.J.

Brown involved?

And you kind of answer some of these bubbling up questions about the Eagles, because I can't think of too many teams with their esteem and what they've accomplished in their record over the last two years.

And it's like, I don't know what you think you are right now.

It's not clear what you think you are on offense.

It's clear on special teams and defense, but what are you and who do you want to be?

And why are we asking these questions about a Super Bowl champion this early in the season?

It was reported on Wednesday that Barkley and Jalen Hurts confirmed that they spoke with A.J.

Brown earlier this week, but they dismissed it as anything kind of

negative.

They said

when you hear players meeting, that's like all hell's breaking loose.

It wasn't that at all, but also that we're teammates, we're all friends, we're just having a conversation.

Yeah, I would think that they'll try to

get the ball to Brown more and be more functional passing, but it's easier said than done.

The Giants, on the other hand, it's also, yeah, the quarterback's not healthy either.

Jackson Dart's playing on a short week.

He's banged up.

I was on the Bill Barnwell show this week.

Check it out.

It should be out now by the time you're hearing this.

And we were talking about trying to figure out the teams that are the one-win teams that may have a chance.

And I try to make a case for the Giants.

But, you know, the neighbors' injury is so crushing to them and the lack of depth and the playmakers.

And then you add in that our boy Scatabo is averaging less than four yards a carry.

He had that brutal fumble last week that went for six the other way.

And Dart's playing style is troublesome.

I gotta, here's my concern of the week, Connie: that Dart playing his first primetime game against the mighty defending champion Eagles is going to be an absolute maniac, house on fire.

And he's going to take a lick that he doesn't get up from.

He needs to play within himself and not try to make everything happen.

Because as Bill pointed out when I was on the show,

he is, he wasn't known as some type of like firebrand, like two-way player.

Like he could scramble, but it's not necessarily his like main skill set.

So to make it that way and to take the, absorb the punishment that he's taken in two starts, that's asking for Russell Wilson back in our lives.

Yeah, he's taking way too many hits.

Also,

Scatabo, Scataboo is taking

way too many hits, too.

It's almost like unnecessary ones where he's just kind of looking for the contact, which is kind of odd.

The two of them, obviously, they have this personality that the Giants could use, but they need them on the field.

I think that it's going to be a really ugly game for Jackson Dart and Brian Dayball in this one.

I like it.

Let's predict it.

I'm going to say, always weird.

We saw it last week with the NFC West.

Division games, division games where the favorite is on the road.

All right.

You know what?

Shoot.

Am I going to do it?

No.

Giants get their broke hearts broken late 20 to 17 Eagles, but you're going to be sweating this one out, Connie.

Really?

That's crazy.

No way.

Eagles win this one.

24.

What did you say?

21-17?

I was going to say.

I said 20-17.

Okay.

24-17.

Okay.

I'll go

Eagles 30, Giants 21.

But

out of this game, and I'm not saying it's injury-related, but I feel that way, a major NFL story erupts out of this game.

Is this because of the ball knower segment?

You're trying to come in and take away from the ball knower?

I mean, I basically birded the ball knower

years ago.

Ball knower is over 700 years old, actually.

I don't know if you're aware of that.

The turtleneck is endured through centuries.

Medieval.

That flies in the face of my comment then.

Is that why the ball knower is so angry?

Because he's interrupted.

He seems to have a little bit of a.

There's like an insecurity to the ball knower.

Yeah, he seems to overly insist that he's the ball knower.

Right.

Like, why

you're compensating for?

Who is he trying to convince of this?

Like himself.

Maybe if there is...

Yeah, maybe if there's a return to the alleyway where the ball knower exists, which is very much up for debate,

maybe we ask why he is the way that he is and why he seems to be so defensive about his level of knowledge.

You know I like this.

Okay.

I could go down that road.

All right.

Before we go, we like to dip our toes in a little pop culture talk here on the End Around Wednesdays.

Colleen,

we're going to move out of the way momentarily because it appears that SestDog has some hot takes about Arby's,

the fast food giant.

No,

I have added something to this, but um, Justin, you you created this.

Why don't you jump in and set the table?

What are we talking about here?

I pulled this because of our recent, I think two weeks ago, discussion about puffery in advertising.

And what is puffery?

And I'm browsing Twitter the other day, and I see the word puffery on my timeline because Arby's is being sued because they're...

The pictures of their food make it appear that there is up to 100% more, at least 100% percent more meat than there really is they made the meat look rare when it's actually fully cooked

we got the meats isn't that

we got meat correct yeah Ving Reims we have the meats it's Ving Reims that's Ving Reims yeah it all ties back to Tarantino go ahead

Arby's argued that the photos amounted to, quote, non-actionable puffery.

However, the court rejected that argument because the photos do not consist of subjective statements of opinion.

So I don't know if you guys have ever eaten Arby's, but the only thing that I would ever order there is the curly fries.

I'd take some actionable buffery.

Oh.

So

where I come in on this is that I was like, I'm going to research this.

Because first of all, I hate these sort of class action suits where anyone that's been to Arby's has been to Arby's 10,000 times.

Like now suddenly you're surprised with the product you get.

So where I go is like, let's research someone that is showing us um the eating of actual arby's products um in the moment in live time let's go to what is an arby's mukbang that i found on instagram real quick and this is gonna start with this jamocha shake because you cannot go wrong with this various products

it's delicious that means you eat tons of stuff we're gonna start with the jalapeno poppers have to never heard this first non-negotiable yeah tons of people are doing this but like she's tasting these look

somewhat fast food healthy-ish right or like she doesn't seem like a woman that's eating a ton of this stuff in general she's in the bronco very fit young lady that is the quizzical part um yeah her name is eat drink and be mandy

connie would you ever as a way of extra means become a mukbanger the turkey bacon ranch sandwich is probably one of these yeah i mean i've thought about this uh potentially on like an only fan situation i just think

it's i think she makes um a fair amount of income off of this to be honest how about colleen Colleen?

We both start the OnlyFans doing the same thing, and we see who makes more money.

You're on.

No problem.

I would, yes.

Here she is eating the money item, though.

Look at this.

This is really good

for the audio listeners, stellar content.

Well, it is a woman eating Arby's products.

You can use your own imagination.

There you go.

Unbelievable.

Mark,

tie it up in a bow.

I think it's another example of me trying to take a news item and lift it up to the next level through extra research and involve

a problem with sex.

You're addicted to sex.

Why would you go down that road with that, Justin?

The mukbang of the week.

Yeah, the mukbang of the week.

That's a sponsor.

Can we reach out to Arby's?

The mukbang of the week.

It's like, is the mukbang a positive or a negative?

We have to figure out before we pitch Arby's what it is.

I think it's positive because it's always good.

Like,

it's people

deeply involved in enjoying various food

trucks and various restaurants.

So, Arby's would be one of them.

McDonald's, they do it.

But what would be a mukbang in that really high?

Many are.

All right.

Let's stick a pin in that.

Colleen, I mean, we missed you.

He guys.

When are we all going to hang out?

We're doing a hang.

Mark,

you joining us for the hang.

Of course I would.

By the sea.

You need to tell me about it, and I will join you.

That's how that works.

All right.

He'll watch it today.

He's going to come across the town.

Yes.

Yes, he will.

In

full winter's clothing.

We'll put sunscreen on this time.

Lather up, buddy.

All right, everybody.

Thank you.

Colleen, thank you.

Again, you want to get any plugs out there, Connie, while we're here?

Yeah, I'll be just going to London coverage for the next

two weeks.

So you can, if you're in Los Angeles or anywhere on the West Coast, you can watch a 4 a.m.

pregame show.

So lucky you.

And the Jets on top of it.

I know.

Justin on that.

Yeah.

So I'll be on Sunday.

And

Monday to check out our pregame show, game day kickoff.

It's me and Steve Mariuchi.

Mondays with Mooch are the best.

The show is completely unhinged and always off the rails.

I feel so bad for our producer, Jeff Lesnucci, but we have a great time.

Nice.

And I did, I think I left my charger in the newsroom.

If you can grab that for me when we meet up at the Seaside Bar, great.

Great.

Gotcha.

All right.

Thank you, everybody.

We'll see you tomorrow with Connor Orr, week six preview and TNF recap.

See you then.

And remember what you must do.

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