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Speaker 4 It only matters what we do inside the building, man. It's only about those guys that's in there, the coaches.

Speaker 4 You know, when you're having success, you're going to have people that's, you know, going to talk about you, talk down, and going to hate on you.

Speaker 4 If you ain't got no haters, you ain't doing something right.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes. Welcome to Heath the Call, an NFL podcast.
Dan Hans is here with Mark Zessler, Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

Speaker 1 It's the Monday night edition, and that was wide receiver Devontae Smith, Eagle star who said, Mark, if you ain't got haters, you ain't doing something right.

Speaker 1 Do you find that in your own personal experiences?

Speaker 2 I do. I've got a few.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't say legions of them, but I've got a few and they mean it. So it keeps you on your toes.
I get where he's coming from.

Speaker 1 It drives you. And if you can,

Speaker 1 you know, if you could be an agitator, maybe, maybe that's enough in this world. We're just trying to make an imprint.

Speaker 1 The Eagles made an imprint on Monday night, defensively at least. 10-7 the final over the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field.

Speaker 1 It was the Devontae Smith touchdown, a 36-yard reception on a throw from Jalen Hurts that was the difference in this game. That put the Eagles up 10-0 in the second half.

Speaker 1 The Packers finally get on the board in the fourth quarter to make it 10-7, but their rally falls short as their season continues to,

Speaker 1 I don't know,

Speaker 1 just kind of

Speaker 1 wander. I don't know.
They seem pretty fake to me, the Packers right now.

Speaker 1 It's hard to see them in any other light. But let's talk about this from the Eagles side to start, Mark, because, and we'll get into the power rankings at the bottom of this show

Speaker 1 and where the Eagles stack up. Because I guess on one hand, you could look at this game and you see yet another performance from the offense.
You thought, oh, maybe they had figured it out

Speaker 1 after they really got their running game going in their previous win. But this game, they were right back to kind of struggling here.
They finish with 294 yards of offense.

Speaker 1 They average less than five yards of play. Barkley is held to just 60 yards rushing.
Hurts just 183 through the air. But I've got to say this for the Eagles.

Speaker 1 They're so battle-tested that they tend to win these types of games. And especially against a team like the Packers that's not playing its A game and is missing opportunities.

Speaker 1 The Eagles will get you in the end when you play like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 you know, this game was also, I looked up the temperature in Green Bay in the fourth quarter. It was 27 degrees Fahrenheit.

Speaker 2 Suddenly, like I thought it would take a little bit more time to get there, like, weather-wise, but I think that matters to some degree. But it felt like a vice grip defensive contest.

Speaker 2 You get one of these

Speaker 2 every autumn. It feels like two people trapped under a car.

Speaker 2 But it was like Jeff Hafley's Green Bay defense did a lot to stifle the Eagles. But then it was one of those games where you just need one of those drives, one of those drives.

Speaker 2 And it happened when Saquon Barkley went 41 yards. It's a two-play drive.
And then Devontae Smith, who we just heard from, gets the 36-yard touchdown. It's like, cool, we're we're going to win now.

Speaker 2 And that's kind of like all it took. It could have been Green Bay's game at the end, like had they, had things been a little bit different.
But you're right.

Speaker 2 The Eagles are survivors, and they just find a way to win these strange little games. But I know that what Nick Siriani did at the end of that game was on your radar.
I know it was.

Speaker 2 Tell me it was not.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess it was definitely on

Speaker 1 Troy and Joe Buck's radar. It was dumb.
I mean, they,

Speaker 1 and if you don't know what happened, the Eagles had the ball fourth down. I think they're around the 40-yard line.
Justin, maybe you can double-check.

Speaker 1 They had fourth along

Speaker 1 in Packers' territory. Packers had no timeouts, less than a minute on the clock.

Speaker 1 And the smart play, obviously, in this situation, especially in a 10-7 game where Green Bay had struggled to get any type of continuity on offense, you punt the ball away, you pin them back, and the game's over, essentially.

Speaker 1 But instead, Siriani not only goes for it, he drops back. It was was a fourth and six from the Green Bay 35.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 So, rather than attempt the field goal, which you don't, because that would only put you up six, you could either go for it or you punt it away, and your defense has been kicking ass all game, finishes the game off.

Speaker 1 Siriani instead goes deep to AJ Brown. It gets knocked away.

Speaker 1 But you know what? Even after that happened, I didn't have any

Speaker 1 feeling that the Packers were going to make the play that they needed to make in this game because this is really,

Speaker 1 I thought it was kind of symbolic this game of what we've seen from Green Bay for over a month now, where they do in that situation, they got a completion to put them

Speaker 1 near midfield, which was giving Brandon McManus a shot, I guess, and they bring him out for a 64-yard attempt in

Speaker 1 cold and blustery conditions. He's got a bad leg.
And I'm saying to myself, what is he? What are they doing here?

Speaker 1 I think there was eight or nine seconds left. You had a chance to run a play, run a quick out, make this at least have have a chance.
And what happens?

Speaker 1 They actually blow the play dead on a timeout, and you see McManus get the kickoff, and you see it fall short. So now we know he can't make it, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or there's a very good chance he can't make it. So they do, then they bring out Jordan Love.
This is just like the Packers, man. The operation doesn't feel tight right now.

Speaker 1 And then they go to attempt a quick out to pick up a few yards. It's the Eagles have diagnosed what they're trying to do.
It's not competitive. He sails the pass out of bounds, Jordan Love.

Speaker 1 And then McManus, I I don't know what his second attempt was, but it wasn't even close. So, yeah, Sirianni.

Speaker 2 I think it hit a fan. Like, I'm not, I mean, it was

Speaker 2 way out of Sirianni.

Speaker 1 I'm not a big Siriani fan. Everybody knows that on the show, and I'm still not a big Siriani fan.
And that was an unnecessary risk he took. But this Packers team, I mean, you want to talk about,

Speaker 1 you know, the

Speaker 1 possession before. They get the ball back at their own 10 with 218 to go and two timeouts remaining.
And how many times, Mark, did this team get to about about midfield and then just Peter out?

Speaker 1 And in this situation, and this really was the game, Josh Jacobs on fourth and short gets swallowed up for a four-yard loss, fumbles the ball away to boot. And that was kind of the game.

Speaker 1 And in a nutshell, Green Bay's offense on the day.

Speaker 2 And that play.

Speaker 2 It was Jalen Phillips making a major impact in that play. He was huge early.
He was huge late in the game.

Speaker 2 Like, it's sort of a, it's a trope at this point, but it was a Howie Roseman trade deadline acquisition who fits right into Vic Fangio's defense and came in days later and made a major impact. And

Speaker 2 it's like the Eagles keep doing these things over and over. Like he was the perfect addition.
So yeah, I think it's like

Speaker 2 the Green Bay Packers to me, I know I obviously was really high on them early in the season. They're mystifying.

Speaker 2 You're at home in your weather, the kind of weather you want to play in, You've got like all your guys healthy and you can't get anything done here.

Speaker 2 It's a pretty bad loss, and it kind of just leaves you feeling like, yep,

Speaker 2 there's a bookend to this team, and

Speaker 2 it's not in February.

Speaker 1 It is a reminder, too, because we all do it, right? You know, they came out of the gates.

Speaker 1 fast in the first two weeks and it was like, oh, yeah, this is it. This is the Super Bowl team.

Speaker 1 But they certainly haven't looked like this for some time. And, you know, in addition to

Speaker 1 that fourth and goal stop and the way that last sequence played out, you had that really bad Bo Melton drop on fourth down when the game was 3-0 with 440-2 to play in the third quarter.

Speaker 1 You had some misses.

Speaker 1 misses from Jordan Love in this game. He just wasn't as sharp as he needed to be.
At one point, I thought this was also kind of told you a lot because Matt LaFleur was not happy.

Speaker 1 You could could see the steam coming out of his ears at the end of this game.

Speaker 1 Um, after one fruitless Green Bay possession in this game, ESPN cameras caught him with his back turned to the action while the defense is on the field and he's back by the benches.

Speaker 1 Uh, do you have this, Justin? I think somebody tweeted it out. Um, and he's just like studying his iPad.

Speaker 1 And I think he's, you know, he's an offensive-minded coach, and he's just studying his iPad, trying to figure out what to do, how to fix this.

Speaker 1 This was midway through the second quarter.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, man. Like, you could tell the operation is not tight in Green Bay.
And I don't know. Like, they still have time to figure it out.
But you take a look at this now.

Speaker 1 They have now dropped to third place in this division.

Speaker 1 They're hanging on by a thread now. I think right now they're in the seventh.
They're the seventh seed and final seed in the NFC. The Bears have now jumped them.

Speaker 1 The Lions are, you know, pulling away from them.

Speaker 1 I'm curious where this team goes from here because

Speaker 1 it's been on our radar for a while.

Speaker 1 Who are these Packers? Do they have, is there something missing? And this was, again, a sign that there is something missing to this team.

Speaker 1 And there's, and on the injury side, Mark, they didn't have everybody. They didn't have their

Speaker 1 young wide receiver Matthew Golden. No, you're right.
They lost Romeo Dobbs in the game to a chest injury. And then their center, keep an eye on this one, Elgin Jenkins, suffers an ankle injury.

Speaker 1 And after the game,

Speaker 1 LaFleur said it didn't look good. So that's not a great sign.
You lose the pivot there.

Speaker 1 Right tackle for the Eagles, Lane Johnson. He went to the locker room with an ankle injury, but he returned in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that just shows the toughness. And the Eagles host the Lions on Sunday night football.
So nice little setup there. Short week for them, though.

Speaker 2 Yep. And I'd say one thing about the Green Bay Packers.
So you go to the Giants, cool. But then you face the crucible of the Vikings, Lions, and Bears.

Speaker 2 You still have the Broncos on your schedule, the Ravens, and another tilt with the Vikings. So we're going to find out.
And like,

Speaker 2 it feels like a classic. Mark predicts team in August, and team falls off the side of a building.
But I don't think it's that chaotic, but

Speaker 2 this is a concern tumbling.

Speaker 1 It's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 Pretty concerning tumble tonight.

Speaker 1 It's,

Speaker 1 you know, whether it's a Sessler curse or not, I don't know, but like as the vibes, if you think about where the vibes were in like week three, say, compared to where they are now, this team just there's something missing.

Speaker 1 And the whole idea was that they were supposed to have everything lined up when Parsons arrived. But this is another

Speaker 1 again, don't miss me with the, well, if you really, if you're a real ball knower, you're studying the tape and Micah Parsons is doing all these different things that make him worth every penny, but make a huge play in this game, dude.

Speaker 1 Like, go get the quarterback, knock the ball out, do something

Speaker 1 to pick up this team, and they couldn't get that either, as well as the defense played. I don't want to put anything on the Green Bay defense in this game.

Speaker 1 They were missing somebody stepping up and making a play, whether it's special teams or somebody in the secondary or a pass rusher.

Speaker 1 Other than that early fumble on the first Eagles drive,

Speaker 1 the Packers were unable to make any type of splash plays in this game, and they were just flat, just a weird spot to be flat.

Speaker 1 You have the defending champions in your building on Monday night football, and you go home a 10-7 loser.

Speaker 2 I think all of us felt like we understood

Speaker 2 an hour and a half in that we were watching a weird, kind of zany, unusual,

Speaker 2 bizarre, wintry game. And I'll say one thing I love about the Aikman Buck duo: Aikman refuses to enjoy analytical decisions.

Speaker 2 Like he'll get his little dig in there on whenever something comes up and there's a fourth and whatever, and we've got to go for it here at the, you know, the 49-yard line.

Speaker 2 I know that he does not agree in his heart with it,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 he's willing to now because he knows he's been snowed under by everything else. And, you know, we've got LaFleur on that little Microsoft tablet, probably playing ESPN Solitaire at this point.

Speaker 2 We don't know what he's doing, but like Aikman is just like, he's not with it. And I love that.

Speaker 1 By the way, what is going on with ESPN? I don't know. What is, I mean, this ESPN YouTube, for the second straight week, I'm watching a game on a damn iPad on a tablet myself.

Speaker 1 At one point, it goes to commercial. I'm watching it through the NFL app, and it goes to commercial, and it's an ESPN BET commercial.
And I'm like, I thought they shuttered that thing last week.

Speaker 1 You got Stephen A. Smith sitting upstairs with

Speaker 1 Jerry Jones. You got scandal rocking the company.
You got all sorts of things going on. And

Speaker 1 we're two weeks straight not able to watch the game on YouTube TV. And I just hate,

Speaker 1 I hate how, you know, things like this,

Speaker 1 it's always the fan that gets screwed.

Speaker 1 Right. It's us.
We're the ones that are dealing with it. And

Speaker 1 it's bad luck.

Speaker 2 we already paid for it and they took it away. And I know Justin, like I spoke with Justin during the game, and it's like with the app that we use,

Speaker 2 because it's like, this is our job. It's like, fine, I'll sink money into it.
You cannot reverse once the game, you cannot reverse.

Speaker 2 You cannot go back.

Speaker 1 No, it was like watching a game in 1993 or something.

Speaker 1 It's annoying. By the way, Michael Parsons had two tackles, one solo.

Speaker 1 No quarterback hits. No tackles for loss.
Obviously, no sacks.

Speaker 2 That kind of night.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Take a look at it.

Speaker 1 Ooh. What we got?

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Speaker 1 You needed that.

Speaker 2 Am I the only one? I'm the only one that lost my.

Speaker 1 The only failed luck. What is this? You're a little bit of a lone wolf this week.
Sorry, Mark. We'll get to that in a Thursday show.
I'm just checking in.

Speaker 1 And again, I know know it's not just about sex, blah, blah, blah. Micah Parsons was greeted as a Greek god when he was traded.

Speaker 1 And everybody, the windmill dunks and the cowboys, and I'm not saying they weren't deserve it, but he's got 10 tackles this year and six and a half sacks. No force fumbles.

Speaker 1 That's not good enough. I mean, this guy's supposed to be a Hall of Fame level terror.
They need more.

Speaker 1 Packers need more. They need more from their big stars.
And

Speaker 1 we'll get to the Eagles some more in power rankings. I promise Eagle sense.
Don't get pissed.

Speaker 1 Don't get pissed. Just enjoy it.
Enjoy that you have a team that finds a way, a champion that finds a way.

Speaker 1 That's nice.

Speaker 1 It's not always pretty, but it's nice.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Let's take a break. And when we get back, we'll do a little bit of news.
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Speaker 1 All right, we are back. Yeah, it would have been awesome if Siriani somehow got them beat

Speaker 1 with that decision.

Speaker 1 For you?

Speaker 1 I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Speaker 2 You're not the only one, but it wouldn't have been awesome.

Speaker 1 I know in a vacuum, it seems like Dan's the only one that would like to see Sirianni get a comeuppance.

Speaker 1 But there are others that thought that that might have been delicious, little theater, but he survives for another week.

Speaker 2 It would have been just

Speaker 2 if he had tumbled in the team and fallen apart because of that decision,

Speaker 2 it would have been good theater for all of us and a lesson learned. But I think it would have been more delicious of a morsel for you to chew on.

Speaker 1 What's the logic there? I still don't get. So

Speaker 1 was the fear there would be a special teams malfunction

Speaker 1 on the punt? Obviously, the field goal wouldn't have made sense because of the

Speaker 1 cold conditions and

Speaker 1 all that. But

Speaker 1 that's like a no-brainer to 33 seconds with no timeout. No timeouts.

Speaker 2 Was it a flex where it's like, we're going to get this thing, we're going to bomb it downfield and like

Speaker 2 we're just going to show the country and other countries.

Speaker 1 I think that's part of his style. I think,

Speaker 1 and then if it works, you get that type of look at this team, they're fearless and all that. But when it doesn't work out, you put yourself in danger.
But I guess to his credit and

Speaker 1 Big Dom and everybody else over there, they knew what team they were playing on Monday night, and that Packer team didn't have a big moment in them. All right, let's do some news.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it hasn't been. So

Speaker 1 it was another tough loss.

Speaker 1 I believe in the guys we have, people in the

Speaker 1 room, coaches and players.

Speaker 1 But lost another tough one, Connor. So

Speaker 1 got to start doing Connor or

Speaker 1 yeah I saw that press conference and I was thinking as I was watching it uh-oh

Speaker 1 Dable's you know a little dead behind the eyes when whatever the coach is saying stuff like yeah yep yep just another tough loss

Speaker 2 and also and also whenever whenever the coach uses the first name of the reporter you know that there's some tension in the air and within the heart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and there certainly was tension after the New York Giants blew yet another double-digit second half lead in a crushing road loss, this time to the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I said it on the Sunday show as I was watching that game because that was one of my games. I was like, this guy can't be in the building anymore.
He's just,

Speaker 1 I thought that decision, it kind of,

Speaker 1 you know.

Speaker 1 It's one play, but it really, to me, got him fired.

Speaker 1 Like when he when he decided to kick the field goal at the half-yard line to go up 10, knowing what he should have known about his team, it showed that he was playing coaching scared, that he didn't have a feel for his team and didn't have any type of killer instinct.

Speaker 1 And, you know, knowing this team's history and the games that they've blown this year, it just showed that like this is never going to work. So I don't know if that

Speaker 1 the Mars ended up having the same viewpoint on it, but sure enough, he was cut loose on Monday. The New York Giants fired their head coach,

Speaker 1 and Joe Shane will remain the team's general manager and lead the search for the next head coach. Here is a missive from Giants co-owner John Mara, who is one of the reasons

Speaker 1 some people thought that Dable might survive this season

Speaker 1 at the least, very least, because the health issues of John Mara. But obviously, the Giants decided they had to act.

Speaker 1 So the co-owner Mara and Steve Tisch said Monday in a joint statement, the past few seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for this franchise.

Speaker 1 We understand the frustrations of our fans, and

Speaker 1 we will work to deliver a significantly improved product. Assistant head coach

Speaker 1 and demissive, Justin, assistant head coach and offens coordinator Mike Kafka will serve as the interim coach. He's been in the mix for a bunch of jobs over the years.

Speaker 1 Your thoughts, Mark, on when you heard this news,

Speaker 1 Dable and the Giants, 11 and 33

Speaker 1 since 2022.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think back to

Speaker 2 his first season with the team when they were rising and there was a lot of fire and they were winning games and he was coach of the year. And

Speaker 2 there's this clip of him, you know, just marching up and down the sideline after a win and like hugging players and pumping fists. And it was like, wow, this feels like Giants football has exploded.

Speaker 2 And then you go, it's because this is a case study of how coaches get fired at this point because it gave me faith in him. And I met him once and I really liked him.
But then you go two and eight.

Speaker 2 You start three seasons in a row at two and eight. And it's untenable.
And we both have a bunch of Giants

Speaker 2 fans who are friends from our East Coast upbringing, right? And they are going nuts. To a man,

Speaker 2 I could not find you on the globe like a Giants fan that I know that wanted him to stay. And it's just like,

Speaker 2 you're undone. You had a chance, um, which you created controversy with like Wink Martindale to fire basically half your staff, bring in a new staff.
That didn't work.

Speaker 2 Um, you have issues that have caused fines with the health of your quarterback in terms of the NFL's concussion policy. It's just a lot of a lot of red marks at this point.

Speaker 2 Like when we talk about checking boxes, like he just checked a lot of boxes where it's like, you run out of time. You run out of time.
And we wish you well.

Speaker 2 The Bills don't want you from what we understand.

Speaker 2 They're not going to bring you in.

Speaker 2 That was whispered about. You're going to work again because that's what happens in the NFL, but you're not going to work for the Giants.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, listen, you know how this league works.
He could be thriving somewhere in two years as an offensive coordinator. That's how he got this job in the first place.

Speaker 1 But in this position, it just wasn't working. You thought it did feel like when Jackson Dart took off last month that it might have saved Abel because he could align himself.

Speaker 1 And I did want, it did cross my mind if the, you know, the head injuries that Dart has had and the fine that Dable had for going into the medical tent and trying to get Dart back in the game as fast as possible, if that...

Speaker 1 If that played into this a little bit as well, just like, can we trust this guy with our prize possession, our first-round pick? There is a moment, and every Giants fan knows it, because Tom Coughlin

Speaker 1 was such an important figure in this organization. And he was, of course, the head coach for both of the upset victories over the Patriots and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
And when he got fired

Speaker 1 several years back now, there's a moment where he comes down off the stage from the podium and he blows off John Mara, who was ready to give him a handshake, and he took off.

Speaker 1 And it was very classic Coughlin, old school guy who thought he was disrespected and deserved more time. And since that moment, the head coaches, Ben McAdoo, Dable,

Speaker 1 Joe Judge, Pat Shermer, I mean, it has been a

Speaker 1 just a carousel of guys who are not fit for the job, crumble under the spot in the spotlight,

Speaker 1 meltdowns. And Dable,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 he just wasn't the the guy. So now the Giants do, this was the right move, I thought, Mark.

Speaker 1 At least what you do is you get in front of it, and now the team can really have an approach and get ahead of the other teams that are still deciding on this. But

Speaker 1 it's a tough spot for the organization because, like, people like you and Connor, for instance, and many other people saw the Giants as a team that could be on the rise this year.

Speaker 1 And instead, they're 2-8, and they just fired their coach

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 lost their wide receiver to an ACL. They lost Camp Scataboo to a broken leg.
And now Dart is in the concussion protocol. It's just bleak.

Speaker 2 It is. And like, I think part of what you have to pack into

Speaker 2 Dable's experience is that he's had so many injuries at so many positions. But I will say this, like,

Speaker 2 it's a great job.

Speaker 2 I really think it's a great job for the players you just mentioned that like they're injured right now, but I think it's a very attractive place for candidates and there's a lot of young talent there and he couldn't turn the key on that but that doesn't mean that another coach could not and I really do think that my optimism in Connor's optimism was about like some of what we saw

Speaker 2 in terms of the roster and the potential. I think it's there.
And Connor, and we'll talk to him about this later in the week, but he put out a article on SI about coaching candidates.

Speaker 2 And it's a really unusual crop of candidates. There's a lot of college people in there.

Speaker 2 There's some, it isn't just like there's this obvious two or three like Jim Harbaugh types sitting out there or John Harbaugh types. Like it's a weird crew.

Speaker 2 So I think getting ahead of it is smart for any team at this point.

Speaker 2 If you're going to fire your GM if you're the Dolphins or you fire your coach if the Giants, like don't like, cool, if you're Cleveland and you're going to fire Kevin Stefanski like at the end of the year, you're just seven weeks or eight weeks behind everyone.

Speaker 2 Like get ahead of it. Do it now.

Speaker 1 I agree with you on the Giants job despite the fact that they've been one of the worst teams in football look at their record it's it's around where the brow the browns and the jets are over the last five or six years uh it is a quote-unquote tiffany franchise uh it has an exciting young rookie quarterback and some really talented core players young core players um joe shane i think there's a i think he's it's right not to fire him i know it makes it a little bit um janky in terms of lining things up the way you want you want a gm and coach to be hired together typically.

Speaker 1 But I think Shane has done a good job building a nucleus here and they just need different leadership. So that's what they're going to get.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 One little note.

Speaker 2 One little note: that it's like when we cry for these coaches when they get fired.

Speaker 2 I saw a tweet that Brian Dayball will make $153,000 per week

Speaker 2 over the next two years. $153,000 a week.

Speaker 2 Like, I just take myself to like deep Cuba or deep Costa Rica and just vanish and just have like set up an offshore bank account and just pay me to do nothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like this is a bit of a Sessler trope. You always tag these conversations with this, but I don't know if anybody's really overly feeling sorry for these guys.
Like, we all get it.

Speaker 1 Like, it's guaranteed money still coming their way. They're all right.

Speaker 1 And like I said, Daniel will be thriving again.

Speaker 2 I'm not breaking news there, but

Speaker 2 it's just a reality that they will make more than probably 95% of the people listening to this

Speaker 2 by next week. Right.

Speaker 2 I don't know how they pay it. I don't think you get paid every week.
That would be nice, but I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 You should say $153,000 a week.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wouldn't even know how to spend it.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good, dude. Yeah.
It's pretty good money. Pretty good.
All right.

Speaker 1 All right. One other news note just because

Speaker 1 he's that dude, Joe Burrow. He has been designated by the Bengals to return from IR.
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 It opens up a window

Speaker 1 for him to return to practice. So he begins to progress to on-field activities.
He can be activated anytime in the next 21 days.

Speaker 1 I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Justin, once you open the window, if you don't activate the player by the 21 days, then his season is over.

Speaker 1 Correct. If I'm not mistaken.
It shuts. Yes.
The goal is apparently

Speaker 1 to have him on the field by Thanksgiving in a

Speaker 1 AFC North. That, let's be real.
Like, even with the quote-unquote rise of the Ravens, the rise of the Ravens has gotten them to four and five.

Speaker 1 The Pittsburgh Steelers trending in the wrong direction after Sunday night.

Speaker 1 I'm not holding my breath about Cincinnati having a Cinderella run here, but Joe Burrow obviously is hoping that. uh what do you got justin

Speaker 5 oh i was gonna make a really dumb joke that the window may not be closed for joe burrow because he did say with him his the window is his career so maybe for the championship window yeah why do you prefer that quote equip by calling it a dumb joke why like well it would have been better would have been funny but yeah i was gonna

Speaker 5 write out of the mark saying the window slammed shut, but then Dan had more to add and I didn't get it in, so I had to preface it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sorry. Classic tough sitch.
Here's Burrow. Let's hear from him.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you know, our division is wide open.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of,

Speaker 6 I think, Pittsburgh's five and four at this point. We play them this week,

Speaker 6 so you know, everything is still there in front of us. It's very rare that our division looks like this, but it does this year, and so you know, I think we'll be at least in it until the end.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, losing that Jets game and then losing that Bears game. I mean, to his point,

Speaker 1 you know, they're 3-6.

Speaker 1 They should absolutely be

Speaker 1 tied for first place right now. But they're not.
And that defense, you could bring Burrow back. That defense is not, I don't think, getting any better.

Speaker 1 But getting Joe Burrow back on the field, Mark, that'd be nice. He's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I enjoy watching that man play football and hopefully he gets back healthy and can contribute something in the back end of the season.

Speaker 2 They've had the, and I don't like hitting these stats because there's a little, like it's a EPA per play, they've been the number one offense in the league under Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 They've just had a historically

Speaker 2 wretched defense. He also, like, I'm watching that Burrow clip if you're looking at this on YouTube.

Speaker 2 Like, does he look a little bit like a hotter Edward Scissor hands, like a blondish Edward Scissor hands? Like, it's a little orange.

Speaker 1 Hotter? I mean, Edward Scissorhands was, was Johnny Depp, baby. I mean,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 I've never been a Depp guy, but like, I don't think he, I don't think they made Depp look as hot as he could as Scissor hands, but Justin wants to weigh in on this, I know.

Speaker 5 You know who he looks like?

Speaker 5 Because this has been driving me crazy for like four months now since Jessica and I started watching this show that's very old now, but and it's come up many times on Twitter.

Speaker 5 I'm not the only one to point this out. Okay.

Speaker 5 There's a TV show called The Summer I Turned Pretty, and the male love interest in this show is a dead ringer for Joe Burrow. They are twins separated at birth.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I know what you're talking about because as I've said on the show,

Speaker 1 my niece, Lily, is a big Burrow head, and she also watches that program. And over the summer when we were staying at my parents' place,

Speaker 1 her and her sister were watching that show, and I actually thought it was Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 5 I was cutting that sound before the show on the couch with Monday Night Football on sitting next to Jessica, and I just... turned the screen and said, look, it's Conrad.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's just a thing we have.
What was that, Mark?

Speaker 2 I was going to say, it's a very nice moment between that you both have watched the same show together. The summer that someone turned pretty much.

Speaker 1 This is something to aspire to, Mark. Just to just plug into different things outside.

Speaker 2 I thought it was on that.

Speaker 2 I've seen one of the, like, you can click on this and start watching. I think, you know, I'll wait, but I will at some point.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that I'm now binging the summer I turned pretty or whatever. Sure.
But I'm aware of it. You know, I have awareness.

Speaker 2 But as was I.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 It's on. The same thing with Doc.
Like yesterday, you were like, ah, Doc, you know, you guys, these updates are enough for me. Open your heart.
Open your mind to new things, Mark.

Speaker 2 Pressurize. I will turn my heart towards network television.

Speaker 5 I do think the Summer I Turned Pretty's audience skews fairly female, but who cares?

Speaker 1 No, Cecily likes that, though. We love Twilight.

Speaker 5 I don't care. Whatever.

Speaker 1 Easy. Easy, Justin.
Don't say too much.

Speaker 1 Don't share too much about yourself.

Speaker 2 We don't need six bullet points of why you

Speaker 1 categorize.

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You're welcome.

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Yeah, wow.

Speaker 7 You're playing with power.

Speaker 1 According to the Dan Hansa Power Ranking.

Speaker 1 I like how that...

Speaker 1 Mark, I like how our intro has both Kevin Spacey and Kanye West in it. I mean,

Speaker 1 we're just missing one.

Speaker 1 We're missing like an Adolf Hitler clip, and we're like totally.

Speaker 2 I could could think of a few people, but you're right.

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Speaker 1 Spacey.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's see.
The power rankings, Mark. And we haven't heard from Farbick for over a month now, which is almost

Speaker 1 a sound thing.

Speaker 2 I think we've been sound in our

Speaker 2 rankings, our measurements, correct? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it could mean also that something has happened. to Mr.
Farbeck. That's possible.

Speaker 1 But I take it to mean that we've really locked in on our rankings, and I felt confident the last few weeks overall that we were trending in the right direction.

Speaker 1 So let's see where we're at as we head to week 11, starting with tier one.

Speaker 1 Here we go. The first quadrant.
The LA Rams. Welcome to the top of the power ranks.
Look at Dan and Sese. We're on the look at that.
Kissing cousins in a big spot. Moving the Rams.

Speaker 1 This is the first time the Rams are first in our power rankings. Connor and Justin had them at two.
They're up three spots. Okay, number two in the power rankings.

Speaker 1 Okay, the Seattle Seahawks. I believe that's where they were last week.
It was where they were last week.

Speaker 1 Connor had them at one.

Speaker 1 Justin had them at one.

Speaker 1 I had them at two.

Speaker 1 So the reason they're not number one is because Sessler dropped the Seahawks. Like, didn't you have the Seahawks at two last week?

Speaker 1 They were up 35-0 in the second quarter, Sese.

Speaker 2 It's because I see other rising powers. I really think the Seahawks are a fantastic team.
If Farbuck calls me about that, I will have a strongly worded response for him.

Speaker 1 I'm just really surprised you watched the action this week and you said, I got to slide down the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 there are a couple other teams that drop some bombs, and so it made me think about the complexion of the.

Speaker 1 Bigger bomb than 35-0 early in the second quarter? I'm just, I'm stunned, Mark. Stunned.

Speaker 1 I'm not questioning your process. I'm just wondering you know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 They're just at four. That means they're a constant.

Speaker 1 Justin, you surprised by that one? That one really... That one caught.

Speaker 1 Did that catch that cost them number one, potentially?

Speaker 5 Yes. Well, if Mark had put them at two, then they would have been tied with the Rams.
But based on the rule we came up with a few weeks ago, prior week wins. They would have been one.

Speaker 5 They would have been won.

Speaker 1 Look at that, Mark. The Seahawks.

Speaker 1 In fairness, we did ask Mark kindly, speaking of strongly worded statements, to stay away from the Seahawks. So maybe this was a little bit of a

Speaker 1 subtle

Speaker 1 F you from Mark.

Speaker 2 It was a subtle FU, and it was also a power play. It was a little bit of a mix of both.

Speaker 1 Very nice, Mark. Number three, the Detroit Lions up two spots after another

Speaker 1 brutal display of offensive violence, led by Dan Campbell, calling the place. Here come the Patriots after they checked another box in Tampa.
They're are up four spots.

Speaker 1 I had them at five, Sese at three, Connor at four,

Speaker 1 and Justin at five.

Speaker 1 And then the Eagles, they moved back into the top five, and I'm glad they did that because that was something I was

Speaker 1 earlier tonight when I was putting the final touches on my power rankings.

Speaker 1 Originally, I had them outside the top five, but I just started thinking about what we were talking about earlier in the show. It's like

Speaker 1 you put the Eagles in a huge spot,

Speaker 1 You put them in an alley fight.

Speaker 1 You put them up against any of these teams in this top eight. Are you going to be surprised that the Eagles are going to come out on top? No.
The Eagles find a way. The Eagles find a way.
So

Speaker 1 I had them in the top four, Sese at six, Connor at seven, Justin at four. They come in at number five.
The Colts win in overtime in Berlin, and they move up one spot as a result

Speaker 1 to number six. The Bills take a big dirt nap here.
They go from number one down six spots

Speaker 1 to number seven. Cesi has them almost out of the top 10 entirely.
And I get it. It was an ugly game, Mark.
It was an ugly game.

Speaker 2 I need to see a change in the wins. I don't trust them right now.
And I didn't say wins, but the wind. Like

Speaker 2 they're a strange team. And I really,

Speaker 2 even also today, studying some of the the post-game stuff from Buffalo like hey Josh Allen

Speaker 2 let's up the pleasantries let's up the leadership let's get the fire going like I see a guy who's down right now he's down I see it in the in in his in his like QA's why do you think he's uh

Speaker 1 quietly having some issues with the offensive scheme or the

Speaker 1 with you know the locker room what is your what do you basically

Speaker 2 I think there are issues on that team with the offensive coordinator?

Speaker 2 Um, he's also you know, he's going on, a lot's going on in his personal life, I think good things, but he's, you know, like, you know, he's got, he suddenly has more to handle than in the previous, I'm digging too deep into it, but like, just let's get going here.

Speaker 2 Even his grandmother, as I said, was saying, like,

Speaker 1 all right, Mark.

Speaker 2 Put a little smile on the face.

Speaker 1 A little call to action from the sess dog and the biggest of all spots. It's now another.

Speaker 1 The final team in the first quadrant is the Denver Broncos. A grizzly win on Thursday night, but a win's a win.

Speaker 1 I had them down a spot. Connor has them at number six, which surprises me because he is no Sean Payton fan.

Speaker 1 Justin had him at nine. Mark had him at eight.
They are eight in our power rankings at eight and two. All right, we go to tier two, and there are the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 They fall out of the first quadrant, down six spots. I don't know, Mark.

Speaker 2 Well, Connor is largely to, if we were to point a finger, he puts them at 11. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 5 We all have them much lower than last week, and they didn't play a game. But the Bills who beat them, like, is there a question to be had that maybe the Chiefs are the ninth best team in football?

Speaker 5 And that's a pretty good place to be, but it's not.

Speaker 1 I don't, here's the thing. I don't think they're the ninth best team in football.
I don't, but I do believe they should be in tier one.

Speaker 1 But I understand all the teams that we've talked about already, why they're ahead of them.

Speaker 1 So the Chiefs, I guess, have entered into a place where, you know, they've lost a fair number of games this year, and they're going to have to start winning some of these one-score games that they won at a historic rate last year.

Speaker 1 And it's just the opposite is happening this year. And before they went into that buy, they had a very disappointing performance against the Bills, obviously.

Speaker 1 And yet, they are still ahead of the Chargers, another team that beat them this season. The Chargers are up four spots to to number 10 after they spank the Steelers on Sunday night football.

Speaker 1 The Bucs dropped just one spot after they get humbled at home. The Ravens are up four spots to number 12.
This is a little high for me. I got to say.
I had him at 15.

Speaker 1 Ceci, you had him at 13.

Speaker 1 Connor's got him in the top 10.

Speaker 1 Number 10. I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 I think it's wish casting because we just assume they're going to keep climbing and we look like we're ahead of the game, but but I'm not wish casting this.

Speaker 1 See, I see that way of thinking, but at the same time, you got to look at the games,

Speaker 1 you know, as they are.

Speaker 1 And while they took care of business against the Vikings on the road, I didn't think, you know, it was the most impressive win that would send them jumping into the top 12 the way they have, but they have.

Speaker 1 So there you go.

Speaker 2 Well, tell Connor and Justin that because they've ranked them in an absurd fashion.

Speaker 5 I don't think it's absurd. I mean, I don't think right now, after what we saw this past weekend, that I think if the Ravens and the Bucks played right now, I would pick the Ravens.

Speaker 5 I would pick them over the Niners. I would pick them over the Bears.

Speaker 5 So I feel like, I don't know. I mean, if they come out and prove that the last three weeks are not who they really are, then we'll adjust.

Speaker 5 But I feel like they're like the second half was pretty impressive. The first half, yeah, they struggled to score points, but like they look like the Ravens that we all expected to see back in August.

Speaker 5 So I don't know.

Speaker 1 I would have liked to see them close out that game with the ball in their hands.

Speaker 1 That was the one thing I was missing, I thought, at the end of that game, but they got the defensive stand.

Speaker 1 And then to that point, though,

Speaker 1 beneath them in this tier, it starts to get a little murky. So the Packers are a perfect Twilight Zone team, number 13 in the power rankings.

Speaker 1 I don't, who knows who the Packers are at this point? So you just stick them at 13

Speaker 1 and go ahead. Go have fun and beat up the Giants if you can even do that next week with Jameis Winston or whoever

Speaker 1 starting a quarterback. But we're in a hold on the Packers.
The Niners down three spots after they get beat up badly by the Rams. We're not buying in on the Bears yet.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we keep them at 15 after their comeback win. over

Speaker 1 the Giants. While we also understand now, like we said,

Speaker 1 they are ahead of the Packers in the standings. We still see the Bears as a lot to prove.
I get that. And then the Steelers, we did a nice job, Mark.

Speaker 1 When the Steelers had that big win against the Colts their previous game, a lot of people were jumping them into the top 10, all these Fagenzi power rankings out there.

Speaker 1 We kept them right where they were at 13, and we said, let's see some more. And then they fall on their faces at SoFi on Sunday night.
So we drop them three spots spots to 16.

Speaker 1 Nice job by Heat the Call. Yeah,

Speaker 2 across the board,

Speaker 2 it's the perfect spot for them, the perfect home.

Speaker 2 I don't believe I'd leave it there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like they're the classic. Are they the

Speaker 1 best bad team or the worst good team? I don't know. We'll stick them at 16.
Move to tier three.

Speaker 1 All right, now it gets into a different area.

Speaker 1 I'm already pinching myself with excitement, wondering where my New York Jets are. Jets haven't lost in three weeks.

Speaker 1 You know, we had a win, we had a buy, we had a win.

Speaker 1 Where does that get us, Mark?

Speaker 2 I think you probably won over the entire crowd. Like, let's, it's, um, it's not in this tier, obviously.

Speaker 1 We're not in tier three, so who knows? That's the goal. If we can get to 24, that would be great.
Anyway,

Speaker 1 the Texans have a big comeback against the Jaguars, and we're almost in

Speaker 1 Connect 4 lockstep on that one.

Speaker 1 Up five spots to 17.

Speaker 1 The Vikings, obviously, they can't quite get it figured out, and nine wasn't able to spark them at home against the Ravens. They're down spot one spot to 18.

Speaker 1 The Falcons would have made a big move up this list if they could have just gotten that last stop against the Colts, but that's what the Falcons do.

Speaker 1 They don't get the big stops, they don't have the big moments. They shy away from being interesting when it comes down to it.
So they land at 19 on our list. The Panthers,

Speaker 1 I still couldn't believe it when I saw it on the Sunday night show, Mark.

Speaker 1 Panthers,

Speaker 1 like seven points and a loss to the Saints.

Speaker 1 Why even be in the league anymore?

Speaker 2 They're the perfect example of what this season is, where it's like there are teams with split personalities. And

Speaker 2 I think we're allowed to on Sundays uncover a game that we didn't know existed. And that was the one for you.
And I think you picked a good one to not know that it existed when you.

Speaker 1 And my life doesn't feel any worse for it, to be honest with you, Mark. The Jaguars, they blow one to the Texans.
They had a big lead. They give up 26 unanswered points in the fourth quarter.
Go away.

Speaker 1 You're unserious. Down two spots to 21.

Speaker 1 The Cowboys on bye, 22. Look at the Dolphins.
Got to give credit to Mike McDaniel

Speaker 1 keeping that team focused. They're up four spots to number 23.
A little rich for my blood.

Speaker 1 But again, Connor has them higher than the rest of us at 21,

Speaker 1 which is the reason why they're not behind the Bengals who are at 24 up one spot in the rankings.

Speaker 1 I saw you chuckle there, Mark. Is it just Connor such as?

Speaker 2 I wonder if Connor is doing power rankings from a time travel angle, like from two weeks from now, where he sees things that we've not seen.

Speaker 2 Because you and I seem to be, we've placed these teams almost in the same place. And then Connor suddenly is like, 21.
And we're like, okay.

Speaker 1 But you know what? It is, in a way, also, though, it is because that's Connor in general, right? Like,

Speaker 1 one of the great things about Connor is like, you name the topic, he's going to have a slightly different viewpoint on it

Speaker 1 than the common man.

Speaker 1 And that's why we love Connor.

Speaker 2 It absolutely is. Like, it makes this exercise

Speaker 2 twice as enjoyable.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Maybe thrice, Mark.
Thrice. All right, to the fourth quadrant.
This is where you don't want to be. And let's see where my Jets are.

Speaker 1 I feel like you're saying my name a lot like on during this exercise which is undefeated in the last three weeks the new york jets uh the cardinals down four spots after getting mollywopped by the seahawks um

Speaker 1 to 25 the commanders it's all sad 26 the giants that's even more sad fired their head coach they're down to 27 the raiders hold at 28

Speaker 1 What is that? What does that sound?

Speaker 2 Is that our Connect 4?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's the Connect 4 drop for the Giants. I didn't connect 4, so it's the second time I hit it.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Is that nice? I dropped Connect 4 probably 700 times. That's the sound that we're using?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 5 all these things that have to line up. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
How do you know the game lineup?

Speaker 2 I think we've all played the game.

Speaker 5 No, I'm describing the drop. It's like bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, all these things lining up.
And then the last sound at the end is the sound of like when you pull the slot out of Connect 4.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 I like it. It's a good thing, Justin.

Speaker 1 Kind of reminded me of Tetris, also.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tetris. Yeah, and had a good-ass game.

Speaker 1 Big Russian product to that Tetris.

Speaker 1 Get a player. That might be a good long form over on I Dream in Red.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a Tetris retrospective about Mother Russia stepping up in a big spot.

Speaker 2 Yes, you understand the publication, and I think that's the content we're looking for.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 2 I'll get to work.

Speaker 1 Oh, break out the New York Jets. We move up another spot slowly but surely.
If only the season had another 29 weeks in it, maybe the Jets would get all the way to the top.

Speaker 1 But they'll take one move up to number 29 on the rankings. Justin just being a dick, putting him at 30, not understanding that the Jets have won two games in a row, sandwiched around a buy.

Speaker 1 We're getting close to to like a month without a loss. I mean, if you really want to start doing the math,

Speaker 1 actually, and let me look this up. This is important.
It's Monday night. We got nothing else to do.

Speaker 2 And if, like, not to be morose, but if a 9-11 type event occurred and they had to cancel a week of play, it would be a month. And

Speaker 2 it would be Jets World.

Speaker 1 Mark, everything you said was absolutely spot on, especially the 9-11 reference.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying that would be the only way you cancel a week of football, but it would get us there.

Speaker 1 I just want to say,

Speaker 1 Justin, this is for you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 On October 19th, this is the day of the sad Jets Boy outside MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford. The Jets were defeated by the Panthers 13-6 to fall to 0-7.

Speaker 1 October 19th, it is now November 10th. The Jets have not lost since then.

Speaker 1 And yet you find it in your heart,

Speaker 1 you find it in your heart necessary to keep them in the 30s. And I just think there's some self-reflection that needs to be done on your part.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Thank you for the feedback. I did put New Orleans at 29 and the Jets at 30, probably influenced by having to cover that Saints game yesterday.
So that could be the bias that

Speaker 5 I am a victim to.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 And 10-19, Mark.

Speaker 2 Well, and to be fair,

Speaker 2 they play the Patriots on this team on Thursday night. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 That's correct, Mark.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm saying a natural disaster probably will be required to keep them, to have them have a month of nothing but victory.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be

Speaker 1 necessary. Something to somebody's got to pull a whole bunch of fire alarms.
The Saints at number 30,

Speaker 1 the Browns. There you go, Mark.
This is what I know you've been wanting. You wanted to be old hangdog Sessler on the Browns.
Everybody, look at us. Woe is us.
Cleveland is a factory of sadness.

Speaker 1 Why won't we get talked about the same way? Well,

Speaker 1 after you be...

Speaker 1 There was some insane stat about your Browns, Mark, that I wish I had for the show yesterday, but I'm going to look it up now because Rich Zamini.

Speaker 2 It was the yardage or points given up.

Speaker 5 It was the Jets 200 from last season, the type of stat that Dan would read on an almost weekly basis last year about the Jets.

Speaker 1 Right, making like history week after week with just insane stats.

Speaker 1 Let's see, because of course the

Speaker 1 Jets had the kickoff and punt return against the Browns and literally nothing else, really.

Speaker 1 How unlikely was Jets 27, Browns 20? Since 1950,

Speaker 1 teams had been 225 and 0

Speaker 1 when holding opponents to 175 or fewer yards and not turning the ball over. The Browns were the first team to lose in that spin.
And, you know, for that,

Speaker 1 you get to drop to 31 mark.

Speaker 2 Congratulations. When you are tanking, that's an achievement.

Speaker 2 They pulled off a similar stunt in week one against the Burrow Bengals when they, I think they allowed five yards in the second half or something like that. It was out obscene, and they lost.

Speaker 2 So it's an obscene way to live, but,

Speaker 2 you know, it's a trait.

Speaker 1 Titans were in lockstep. They stay at 32.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 1 There you go, Mark.

Speaker 1 So the Browns are going to end up taking, I got a bunch of first-round picks also, right? They're going to take a quarterback this year.

Speaker 2 I think so. It depends where they...

Speaker 2 You have to be literally the worst. Well, maybe if the Titans are the worst.

Speaker 1 Here, how about this?

Speaker 5 We'll give you the first pick. You give us the fourth pick and the 19th pick, and everybody wins.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, depending on the on, like we'll discuss in April, but depending on the quarterback, yes, yeah, there you go. But I feel bad for that person that you send to Cleveland, you know.

Speaker 1 What's your lowest? Which you have two first-round picks, Mark?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they've got the Jaguars pick

Speaker 2 and their own.

Speaker 1 First round. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 Let's say the Jaguars pick ends up being

Speaker 1 20.

Speaker 1 And the Titans called you up and said, we'll give you Cam Ward for the 20th pick. No.

Speaker 5 What on earth are you smoking, Dan? What?

Speaker 5 Cam Ward is the future of Tennessee.

Speaker 1 Why are you talking to me?

Speaker 1 I just proposed a trade. He's the one that dismissed it out of hand.

Speaker 5 A trade that would never be proposed.

Speaker 1 And yet it was on this show show just now, and Mark said no to it. What does that say? Groundbreaking.

Speaker 1 What about, what if I offered you a two, Mark?

Speaker 1 Or you say, give me a two for Cam Ward. Would you give me if it was like the 34th pick or whatever?

Speaker 2 I don't want to be involved with Cam Ward from what I've seen. So it's like I want him to, I wish him well, but Justin's probably more well-suited to whistle smoke up his butt than I am.

Speaker 1 All right, right, I'll give you a fourth and a sixth with a seventh coming back as well for Cam Ward.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 5 This is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 This is silly.

Speaker 5 Let's see what happens when Cam Ward beats your Browns in week 14, Mark.

Speaker 2 Bang. Actually, I don't want that to happen.

Speaker 5 I don't want that to happen because I want the number one pick. So, yeah.
But by the way, you're still coming on Music City Audible that week, right, Mark, to preview the game with us? Lock him in.

Speaker 1 When you have a a chance to lock in Sessler, lock him in.

Speaker 2 Yes. What day of the week is it, or when is it? I'll happily do it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we'll figure that out. Okay.
What is that?

Speaker 2 Like three minutes. How much, what's the duration of the interview or the talk?

Speaker 5 20 minutes. Sure.
Unless you want to stay for 30, then we could do 30, but you don't have to.

Speaker 1 20 to 30.

Speaker 1 Can you get a voice memo, Justin, of call the other Justin from the Titans, Titans, Titans podcast and say that Sessler turned down Cam Cam Warden a conditional seventh for a fourth and a sixth.

Speaker 1 And just, I just want to hear his thoughts.

Speaker 5 Okay, here's what we'll do. I will play that clip on our Titans pod tomorrow, and then on Wednesday, we can circle back to it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, I don't know if we need to circle back to it.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, I can get Justin to talk on the podcast.

Speaker 1 But maybe, maybe when you have Mark on the show, like an hour or two of his appearance.

Speaker 2 Right, put a bow on it then. Sure.

Speaker 5 That's a good call. See the end? Sure.
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We'll be back on Wednesday. Great timing.

Speaker 1 James Palmer will be joining us. the insider extraordinaire with the athletic, our

Speaker 1 former colleague, and we're going to revisit the hot butt rankings from last August, talk about a little day ball,

Speaker 1 talk about what's next, who could be going next, all good stuff. And so make sure you're there for that.

Speaker 1 Until then, Mark, any final words?

Speaker 2 Well, I think, you know, some people are jumping out on their teams and let's go do other things with their lives. No, the adventure has just begun.
Stick around.

Speaker 1 Well said, Mark. All right, until Wednesday, do what you must.
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