2025 NFL Week 10 Recap: Kitty Bites!

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Speaker 1 Oh, SESI, the flagship shows back on another Sunday night.

Speaker 29 We had football in Berlin.

Speaker 35 We had unstoppable offense.

Speaker 37 We had the Patriots check in another box, and the Jets and Browns played each other.

Speaker 38 Ooh la la!

Speaker 4 A sensory feast for us all.

Speaker 39 Heed the Call starts now.

Speaker 28 heyo, welcome to He the Call,

Speaker 28 an NFL podcast.

Speaker 37 The week 10 Sunday flagship program recapping everything that happened in your league.

Speaker 42 Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler, Connor Orr, Justin Graver.

Speaker 26 Really solid Sunday.

Speaker 3 Let's start right there.

Speaker 39 Really solid Sunday, Mark. I thought the, especially in the early windows, things got a little squirrely in

Speaker 43 the back half of the afternoon.

Speaker 44 But man,

Speaker 25 there was some tight,

Speaker 29 tightly contested football, including the game in Berlin.

Speaker 21 I'll sign up. Give it to me.

Speaker 8 All you got, I'll take it.

Speaker 4 We needed it. And I think if you looked at the slate back on our preview show, I wouldn't have predicted it.
But this whole thing is unpredictable beyond comprehension.

Speaker 31 This life, this life you see, right?

Speaker 8 Is that, yes, Connor?

Speaker 4 The league, but also, but it also would include life if you want to get, if you want to go deeper.

Speaker 15 And on the day that the Air Force One buzzed the tower in Landover, there's Connor Orr in his salute to service sweatshirt.

Speaker 51 This guy is falling right into line.

Speaker 38 What's up, Con Man?

Speaker 53 I inadvertently bought this from like a Chinese Walmart. Like you go to the webpage and it looks very much like Walmart.

Speaker 53 And it like, and then the package comes like three and a half weeks later from China. And I gotta say, though, it's a hell of a knockoff.
Like everything's like stitched on very nicely and everything.

Speaker 57 So it's not so, because this would not surprise me either.

Speaker 59 The NFL doesn't outsource the salute to service merch that they charge full price for and then don't give back to the military or veterans, as I understand it.

Speaker 34 That is that made in the USA?

Speaker 49 Justin, can you work on that?

Speaker 11 Let's find out the manufacturing process.

Speaker 11 Military, what is it, Military Awareness Month?

Speaker 5 I just remember we just get when we worked at NFL, these pins would start stacking up on your desk.

Speaker 58 It would be one awareness month after another, and it started to feel like a big gray, like just or beige, like a great fog of awareness would kind of settle over you.

Speaker 62 You weren't sure what to be aware about, but there was a lot to be aware of.

Speaker 13 And that was, you know, football's family.

Speaker 7 That was the other thing I remember.

Speaker 4 That pin, that pin held true.

Speaker 10 Yes, Justin, Do you have the information?

Speaker 63 You know, you can never really trust Google AI, but sometimes it gives you the answer that you're looking for right off the bat, and therefore I'm going to roll with it.

Speaker 63 NFL Salute to Service Gear is primarily manufactured in China, as this is the leading location for cost-effective production of NFL jerseys and apparel.

Speaker 14 Everything's spot on there.

Speaker 65 All right.

Speaker 10 The leak has disappointed me once more.

Speaker 19 Let us get into the action,

Speaker 67 all the games.

Speaker 69 We're going to cap the show with Sunday Night Football this week, and we're going to lead, because the early window was so fun, with the games that came out of that zone primarily, starting with the big showdown, Interconference?

Speaker 73 Intraconference?

Speaker 4 That's what Justin's working on.

Speaker 46 Yeah, let's Google, not AI that.

Speaker 44 Let's work that up in an encyclopedia or a dictionary.

Speaker 26 Okay, intra, Connor says,

Speaker 35 between the New England Patriots and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 38 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This is why you got to listen to the preview show for Heed the Call because we teed it up.

Speaker 32 We said New England has checked every box so far during this six-game winning streak, but here's a huge one.

Speaker 33 On the road against the Game Bucks team.

Speaker 32 Coming off a bite, having a chance to really stamp yourself as a Super Bowl contender. And that's exactly what the New England Patriots did.

Speaker 32 Getting another strong performance from quarterback Drake May, a breakout performance from Connors boy, Trayvion Henderson.

Speaker 32 Two long touchdown runs, 147 yards on the ground, and a huge defensive stand in the fourth quarter when it looked like Baker was going to do Baker things. Final score 28.
to 23.

Speaker 78 Pats

Speaker 32 improved to 8-2 and opened up a nice little lead in the AFC East. We'll get to the Bills later.

Speaker 31 The Bucs fall to 6-3 and a little scuffling a little bit right now on offense at least.

Speaker 79 Boys, I watched this game.

Speaker 57 I drafted it first overall because I couldn't wait to see

Speaker 75 how New England came out of this.

Speaker 5 Because as much as I have fun

Speaker 81 with my Patriots' takes, my anti-Patriots takes.

Speaker 73 And by the way, it's all authentic.

Speaker 75 I mean,

Speaker 23 I wholeheartedly believe the worst thing that could happen to the NFL is the Patriots going on another long run of success.

Speaker 20 We needed them to go away for 30 to 40 years.

Speaker 59 It was the way I saw it.

Speaker 15 But at the same time, I'm not going to pretend what's happening is not happening.

Speaker 20 The Patriots are absolutely on the rise.

Speaker 35 And I thought the biggest moment of this game,

Speaker 4 and again, check in the box, check in the box, check in the box.

Speaker 35 They keep doing it.

Speaker 71 Biggest moment of the game.

Speaker 20 Last play of the first half, fourth and goal from the Bucs one-yard line, two seconds on the clock.

Speaker 5 The Bucs are ahead 10-7 at this point.

Speaker 82 Drake May drops back.

Speaker 5 He throws the ball in the corner to the end zone. Probably shouldn't be a catch.

Speaker 13 Slightly overthrown.

Speaker 49 But Stefan Diggs has been money for this team all year.

Speaker 70 What a brilliant signing that was.

Speaker 74 Brilliant toe-tap catch.

Speaker 83 And then the Pats get the ball.

Speaker 84 So that's a touchdown.

Speaker 85 They go up at the half.

Speaker 26 Then they get the ball to start the third quarter.

Speaker 50 And Trayvion Henderson breaks his first long touchdown run.

Speaker 85 And from that point on, Tampa New England was in control of this game.

Speaker 3 So check that box at the end of the first half.

Speaker 35 Check that box coming out of the third quarter.

Speaker 66 Then when the game is in the balance and it looks like Baker is going to go full Baker, the Pats step up again.

Speaker 20 They invade the backfield on fourth down.

Speaker 5 They blow up that conversion attempt with about three minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 35 Check that box.

Speaker 69 And finally, for the second straight week, New England's offense with Josh McDaniels flipping all the right levers has to make one more first down to end this game.

Speaker 5 They do better. On second and long, Trayvion

Speaker 59 goes off tackle, busts another one to the house.

Speaker 38 Check.

Speaker 87 The Patriots are a problem in the AFC.

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 you kind of mentioned it like first, like Trayvion Henderson's first breakout game. Kyle Williams looks like he could become a factor down the stretch.
The defense is growing. The coaching is great.

Speaker 4 I think Josh McDaniels feels as aggressive as I've ever seen him. And just watching Drake May, you know, even when there have been a couple moments, he got hit hard in this game.

Speaker 4 I think he took a couple whacks and kept up, kept going and kept making these really wonderful throws. I can think of one to Demario Douglas that was such a pretty, juicy type of throw.

Speaker 4 And it's like, you kind of just wonder, like, how do they keep growing?

Speaker 4 Because I thought if the Henderson thing sticks and, you know, Stevenson is out, but if they find out, wait a minute, we got to use this guy and lean on him, this offense adds a whole new dimension, and they're just becoming more dangerous by the game.

Speaker 53 What stunned me, I think, was the realization at like how closely aligned this really is to a lot of the Patriots teams that Josh McDaniels called offenses for with Tom Brady.

Speaker 53 Like, they're running duo, they're running the ball up the middle, they're cycling out different blockers as fullbacks, they're confusing the defense, and they're just toying with people and kind of playing cat and mouse.

Speaker 53 And obviously, a lot of that rests on the shoulders of a potentially generational quarterback, but like this is a version of the Tom Brady offense, it's just a little supercharged, and maybe we're seeing what that would have been in those later years if Bill Bill Belichick had replenished the stock of weapons a little bit.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 88 It's very fun.

Speaker 22 It's, yeah, they're fun to watch.

Speaker 54 And Vrabel really has come in.

Speaker 65 And I have to, again, this is terrible.

Speaker 68 I mean, this is the worst thing that could ever happen.

Speaker 23 It makes me sick to the stomach knowing that the Patriots are good and potential really good.

Speaker 62 But you got to tip your cap.

Speaker 52 I mean, Bob Kraft fed up.

Speaker 87 He went and he identified Gerard Mayo as this guy.

Speaker 76 He was wrong.

Speaker 91 And here's the difference between a guy guy like a Bobcraft and a guy like a Woody or the truck man in Cleveland or any of the other bad owners in this league, right?

Speaker 62 He said, okay,

Speaker 75 I'm wrong.

Speaker 9 I'm going to take the heat and I'm going to make sure that guy Vrabel doesn't end up with the Jets or anybody else.

Speaker 5 And Vrabel has totally changed the identity of this team.

Speaker 76 He has them ready to play every week.

Speaker 5 It reminds me a lot, to your point, Connor, of those old Patriots scene where you're never going to catch the Patriots unprepared. They know how to handle situations.

Speaker 5 They're fundamentally sound and they have explosive playmakers.

Speaker 1 On top of it, here is Rabel after the game.

Speaker 94 It was a long game. It's a tough place to play.

Speaker 94 It was warm and they're good. The guys played hard and they earned being tired and they are tired and we'll have to get them back.
And we've got a short game, short week, and excited to move on.

Speaker 35 This team misses on the Buc side.

Speaker 12 This team misses

Speaker 21 Mike Evans a lot, and he's not coming back anytime soon.

Speaker 82 I thought Baker, he got an early touchdown.

Speaker 68 They went right down the field on the first possession.

Speaker 19 Igbuka scored another touchdown, his first touchdown in a while, and then you saw Baker kind of trying to force it to the rookie a little bit.

Speaker 59 The operation just isn't clicking right now, and I don't want to take away anything from New England's defense, but I think they caught Tampa Bay at the right time here, too, where they're trying to figure out where they're at offensively.

Speaker 68 It feels like they're just... In addition to the defensive lapses with the big plays, the offense is a little bit out of step right now.

Speaker 4 It also mattered that Christian Gonzalez was on Igbuga. Like he played a good game, but this was a rough matchup because we mentioned how many players they're missing right now.

Speaker 4 And Baker, it's like nothing changes Baker Mayfield. He still had a chance to win this at the end, but they just feel shorthanded.

Speaker 4 And I hope they get healthier quickly before any sort of other losses mount.

Speaker 12 Okay. You worried about your bucks, Mark?

Speaker 4 No, but I do think they played a better team today. I truly think that the Patriots,

Speaker 4 if you can go win that game on the road in Tampa, a muggy, rough environment, like that says a lot to me. You're right.
Check the box.

Speaker 95 Check the box.

Speaker 96 By the way,

Speaker 13 Romo definitely looked more Tony Romo-like today in the natural sunlight of Tampa.

Speaker 29 That's something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 42 Calling this game, he also had one of the stranger quotes of the season to his buddy Jim Nance.

Speaker 38 This team is DTF, Jim.

Speaker 90 And I wish I could remember what he

Speaker 71 what he meant by that.

Speaker 4 I mean, like, detailed.

Speaker 35 Something like that.

Speaker 51 But it was like, and then I'm thinking to myself, you know, gym nails.

Speaker 63 Details, toughness, and they finish.

Speaker 38 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 98 And I'm thinking to myself, like, as I'm trying to unpack that, it's like, did I hear what I just heard?

Speaker 12 And then then I'm like, everybody knows what DTF means, right?

Speaker 24 Like, and if you don't, look it up.

Speaker 100 Urban Dictionary will help you out.

Speaker 102 And then I'm thinking, does Jim Nance know what DTF means?

Speaker 62 Like the most milquetose, like

Speaker 5 master's ass sitting on the couch Memorial Day weekend watching the U.S.

Speaker 11 Open ass dad of all time?

Speaker 52 Like, probably not.

Speaker 35 So, but the people in the truck had to know

Speaker 18 that

Speaker 7 Tony Romo

Speaker 62 in the middle of the big, you know, the biggest telecast of the week just said that the Patriots were down to f.

Speaker 52 Like,

Speaker 84 you know, just wild. But you know what?

Speaker 28 Maybe inadvertently, he was absolutely right because this Patriots team is down to f

Speaker 84 in a lot of different ways.

Speaker 38 All right. Many ways.

Speaker 5 With that said, I think I might have hit on the theme of the week already, accidentally there, but we're going to now clear the runway for Mark Sessler before we get into our next game, the week 10 theme of the week.

Speaker 4 My theme of the week is, pretty simply put, kitty bites Perennial.

Speaker 103 I mean, these are getting harder by the week, Mark.

Speaker 65 What, I mean,

Speaker 65 Connor?

Speaker 53 Is it just that the teams that were like these little kind of pet teams that we've all had throughout the the year that aren't the established blue bloods they're starting to dominate is that is that what mark i have a theory i have a theory whatever connor's answer was mark was just gonna say yep that's it no

Speaker 4 it's not i think like it's it's felt like a season with a bunch of eyesore teams that you can't predict from week to week and that's gonna be there all through the regular season but i thought today we got a couple teams that especially in the late window that like we're gonna bite you and it's gonna sting and then we got one game that we'll get into that was an all-out surprise middle-of-the-night walk down the alley cat fight that went the other way than you'd think so kitty bites

Speaker 63 and justin can you confirm that mark didn't send this at like 4 a.m saturday night like this was something that was cooked up based on the games that were played today i can confirm the text came you know second half of the late window games here comes very methodical to our other weeks justin absolutely about the same time as every week i'm sorry for doubting All right.

Speaker 38 Let's kitty bites the week, the theme for week 10.

Speaker 5 And I like that because

Speaker 19 you put that in the audio show.

Speaker 20 It's in the title, right?

Speaker 32 So now you have to figure it out when it drops into your feed on Monday morning.

Speaker 15 Because obviously.

Speaker 51 It's your responsibility.

Speaker 87 Yeah, Connor and I could not.

Speaker 71 Let's move to our next game of the week.

Speaker 33 It was another big-time showdown. This time, the NFC West showdown.

Speaker 12 The Rams looking for revenge against the Niners, and they got it

Speaker 17 Matthew Stafford's definitely my MVP

Speaker 32 eat my butt if you disagree

Speaker 32 Stafford's out of his mind right now folks

Speaker 32 out of his mind

Speaker 32 and I'll get I'll give you some of the stats Over the bigger picture recently, but

Speaker 32 in this game, 24 of 36, 280 yards, four more touchdowns.

Speaker 80 He's doing that every week now.

Speaker 6 This Rams offense is a Ferrari.

Speaker 32 Blowing past Chrysler Town in countries in the countryside.

Speaker 32 Rams 42, Niners 26.

Speaker 32 Connor, what a show.

Speaker 1 I mean, what a show by Sean McVay

Speaker 34 against his old buddy Shanahan.

Speaker 59 Just an absolute mollywhopping by this offense.

Speaker 53 And it left me really disappointed in myself because I'm normally a very over-reactionary person, and I think that every little move that's made in the NFL is going to be historic and game-changing.

Speaker 53 But the Rams drafted a tight end in the second round of this year's draft, pick 46, Terrence Ferguson. And I was just like, oh, who gives a shit?

Speaker 53 And it turns out that they're running 13 personnel, three tight end sets, 50% of the time.

Speaker 53 And this is already a team that can make a normal 11 personnel look like 12 personnel because all their receivers block and then they're throwing out 13 personnel and no one can stop it.

Speaker 53 It's either too big to protect or on the defensive side of the ball, too big to stop the run. But these tight ends are athletic.

Speaker 53 Ferguson had a big catch in this game and he just rounds out this unit that's just, my God. I mean, it's, it's, Matthew Stafford's on pace for like 47 touchdowns this year.

Speaker 52 It's crazy.

Speaker 90 Let me give you some Stafford stats because it's just

Speaker 5 he's playing at such a high level.

Speaker 54 And again, I don't want to,

Speaker 75 I don't want to harp on this, but if you do what we do for a living, it is so funny to think about how incredibly well he's playing and then put that up against the way we talked about the Rams and this player all throughout the summer when he had a, what was it, a bad back or whatever it was and he was missing.

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 66 Yeah.

Speaker 79 Um, because he is

Speaker 27 um

Speaker 5 on a historic stretch right now.

Speaker 15 Um, let's see, he is the first quarterback since the merger to have three straight games with four more touchdowns and zero interceptions.

Speaker 76 He has um

Speaker 12 20 touchdowns and zero interceptions in his past six games.

Speaker 26 Uh, he became the first quarterback in franchise history to throw four-plus touchdown passes in three straight regular season games, also the seventh QB in NFL history to accomplish that feat.

Speaker 12 And, Mark, as I'm watching this game, it reminded me so so much of playing Madden.

Speaker 5 When you're going against somebody you know that's better than you and is just really a high-level player.

Speaker 5 And in your mind, you're like, I have to score every time I have the ball and then hope for something to go wrong on the other side, a fumble, an INT, some type of special teams gaff.

Speaker 33 Only in this game, the Rams didn't let up.

Speaker 69 They never blinked.

Speaker 24 Even Thicker Kicker was here, filling in a kicker.

Speaker 50 He goes six for six on extra points.

Speaker 26 It was close to a perfect performance in a lot of ways by LA.

Speaker 95 This is another Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 4 And I think to Connor's point, it speaks to

Speaker 4 the deep research that these two coaches put in to combat each other because this looked more like what the Niners used to do to the Rams.

Speaker 4 Remember when the Rams were soft and they opened the game with a powerful 10-play drive touchdown, and they seal it because the game was in question because the Niners also closed with four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 That got interesting until it didn't. They seal the game later with a 12-play, 49-yard touchdown.

Speaker 4 These aren't huge yardage things, but to Connor's point, they went and found, because this was a day where on Twitter, it's like suddenly 7,000 people were talking about 13 personnel.

Speaker 4 It's like, okay, let's check out what's going on here. But when you go and look at what that looks like from like a sky view, it was like a chorus line of Burley Woodsmen.
It just looked impenetrable.

Speaker 4 And this is a wanting. kind of banged up Niners defense right now.
It really is. And they met them at the right time, but they also had the right

Speaker 53 It blows my mind, too, because

Speaker 53 it's almost like no NFL team got the memo.

Speaker 53 The Eagles came out last year and they showed that we built an entire team around the idea that defenses just aren't big enough and we don't care and we're going to mow people down.

Speaker 53 And the Rams saw that and they were like, okay, cool. We're going to kind of do the same thing, but in a way that leaves us a couple more options in the passing game.

Speaker 53 And our offensive line quite isn't dominant as that offensive line. So we'll make up for it in other places, but coming up with the same conclusion.
And all these teams drafted big defensive tackles.

Speaker 53 All these teams tried to get bigger in the offseason, and it's just not working. And

Speaker 53 I don't know. The whole thing is just, it's incredible.

Speaker 23 It really is.

Speaker 12 Here's the Rams by possession in this game. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.

Speaker 11 Then at the end of the first half, they go a little limp and they let Niners get back in the game.

Speaker 82 Punt, punt.

Speaker 5 Then they come out of the half.

Speaker 25 Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, kneel on it.

Speaker 48 End of the game.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 80 yeah, the Niners for a while were keeping pace.

Speaker 15 They were going back and forth and it was 21-0.

Speaker 11 And then the Niners get it to 21-14.

Speaker 34 And they just could not get a stop.

Speaker 21 They had no answers.

Speaker 35 And

Speaker 13 not only do you have Puka Nakua on this team and Devontae Adams, keep an eye on Adams, who had an oblique in this game.

Speaker 82 They said he would have been able to go back in the game if he had to, but that's that's an injury.

Speaker 7 I really like both of their running backs.

Speaker 26 I said this about it last week, too.

Speaker 48 Blake Corham is, that guy can make plays too.

Speaker 18 And if he is your number two running back, that depth is something that teams obviously would kill to have.

Speaker 20 So you go two deep at running back.

Speaker 68 You have two superstar wide receivers.

Speaker 76 You have tight ends that are making plays.

Speaker 79 You have a defense that has playmakers at every level and dominant players up front.

Speaker 11 And you have a veteran quarterback playing Hall of Fame level quarterback, entered the 400 touchdown club in this game, playing at the highest level of his career.

Speaker 73 I mean, look out.

Speaker 11 This is a team at 7-2 and atop the NFC West with the Seahawks.

Speaker 13 Anything else on this one, Connor?

Speaker 53 I mean.

Speaker 88 Oh, yes, that's something else.

Speaker 15 Zuzzer gets off the Schneid and locked up the Rams. Okay.

Speaker 52 Very happy I did. Well done.
Go ahead, Connor.

Speaker 53 Just that I think that there is probably a worthwhile conversation to be had at this point. Brock Purdy could have played as the emergency quarterback, I think Kyle Shannon said.

Speaker 53 So he's good enough to be there, not quite good enough to be the starter. But

Speaker 53 I think there are a lot of people wondering if Mac Jones should just hold on to the job. He did not play poorly today and has not.

Speaker 88 I thought he was really good.

Speaker 38 He's good.

Speaker 53 I thought he had a great game. So I don't know.
I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 52 Do you think it's a Kyler Murray situation a little bit?

Speaker 4 Could be coming into focus here.

Speaker 53 I don't know if I'm quite there yet, but I really want to see.

Speaker 53 I think Purdy does process a little bit faster, but there's a griminess to Mac Jones, and he probably gets some of the second chance scores that Purdy doesn't get. But, man, I like watching him.

Speaker 88 I really do.

Speaker 35 He's 33 of 39 in this game.

Speaker 62 They didn't lose because of the quarterback.

Speaker 58 All right, let's take a break.

Speaker 97 And when we get back,

Speaker 91 exactly.

Speaker 34 He laughs last. We'll take a break.

Speaker 66 When we get back, we'll keep on rolling through week 10.

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Speaker 33 Week 10 in the nfl let's head next to minnesota where nine was looking to put together the first win streak of his career but the ravens uh oh ravens are heating up

Speaker 5 heating up like the soundtrack

Speaker 36 this the soundtrack to me is like

Speaker 32 when i went to newberry comics in boston when i was in college and I got kid A by Radiohead and I listened to it the first time and I'm like,

Speaker 60 can I get my money back?

Speaker 32 And I listened to it like the fifth time and I'm like,

Speaker 32 well, maybe this was $19 okay spent.

Speaker 37 Then by the 30th time listened to it, I knew I was listening to one of the essential rock albums of its era.

Speaker 82 That's what I think about our soundtrack.

Speaker 4 It feels like a stretch, but I appreciate the parallel.

Speaker 78 How to disappear completely, the Minnesota Vikings offense knows.

Speaker 32 They were unable to get anything going really against the Ravens who have now won three straight games.

Speaker 92 Lamar Jackson

Speaker 104 has this team pointed upward after a 27 to 19 win in Minnesota.

Speaker 21 Gravy, you had this game.

Speaker 98 Listen, we all thought that the Ravens were going to go on a run, but they still had to go on the run, and now they're going on the run.

Speaker 63 Yeah, and we can shut down all the talk that the early season talk about the Ravens defense being unable to stop anybody. They look, you know, they're getting healthier.

Speaker 63 Roquan Smith back, Kyle Hamilton was making plays all over the field, knocking down passes as a blitzer, intercepting balls on the back end, and really, you know, making it difficult on the young quarterback, nine, to go out there and execute the way that he wanted to.

Speaker 63 The Ravens couldn't get the ball in the end zone to start this game.

Speaker 63 They kicked four straight field goals, and then they're able to break through twice in the second half and really blow the game open.

Speaker 63 And 27-19 was the final score, but this was like a two-touchdown lead for most of the fourth quarter that didn't really feel surmountable for the Vikings.

Speaker 12 How did 9 look in this game?

Speaker 63 I think he was pretty up and down, fairly erratic.

Speaker 63 Like he's a young quarterback and he made plays in this game. Don't get me wrong.
He had a few really nice throws. His touchdown pass was a really nice pass right in the bucket, just an absolute dime.

Speaker 63 And, you know, making a few plays outside of structure, escaping the rush, only took one sack and was under pressure quite a bit in this game. So credit to him for that.

Speaker 63 And that sack he sort of took before halftime in a situation that I thought was okay to take a sack there because it makes the clock run and the Ravens have to call timeout.

Speaker 63 But there were too many throws where he had an open receiver and it just...

Speaker 63 airmailed it way over his head or uncatchable place in ball placement put the ball in harm's way a number of times his second interception was not his fault justin Jefferson, like, tangled his feet up with Marlon Humphrey down the field and fell down.

Speaker 63 And, you know, in the replay, Marlon Humphrey is just the only player down there catching a, like, he's the wide open player deep down the field. It's basically an arm punt.

Speaker 63 His first interception, though, was not a good read. He should have had a third interception, but Roquan Smith couldn't haul it in.
So I would say not good enough.

Speaker 63 Even for a guy, I think it was this, we said maybe on the pregame show that this was his fifth start. I think this was only his fourth start.

Speaker 63 So even for a guy only in his fourth start, it just simply, like, it wasn't good enough.

Speaker 51 All right.

Speaker 5 So I have to say, I have to say this because I didn't have a chance to watch a game.

Speaker 68 So I'm only going to

Speaker 34 get out of the way after sharing this.

Speaker 5 That this team, in addition to those turnovers

Speaker 81 you spoke of,

Speaker 36 they also had

Speaker 79 this is crazy.

Speaker 63 Yeah, I know what you're about to say.

Speaker 5 They had, he threw two interceptions.

Speaker 11 He had five passes tipped or batted down at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 58 He targeted Justin Jefferson,

Speaker 24 I think 12 times.

Speaker 13 At one point, it was 12 targets and four receptions, so there wasn't any connection there.

Speaker 76 And then there was the absurd number of false starts and a home game, eight false start penalties.

Speaker 7 And I guess the only thing those stats tell me is that there is no flow to this KOC offense right now with the young quarterback.

Speaker 53 You know, what's amazing is that nine took responsibility for all that like a true captain.

Speaker 52 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 78 What a dog.

Speaker 53 Just wanted to point everybody to the podium on that one.

Speaker 51 Took four.

Speaker 54 Let's go to the podium and check out what nine.

Speaker 13 And by the way, if you don't know that that is the nickname J.J. McCarthy has given himself.

Speaker 107 It's just all things about growing in this great game of football and all experiences that I take that data and collect it and then use it for the next time.

Speaker 49 I mean, I wouldn't judge people that give themselves nicknames.

Speaker 4 I hope not. Or five.

Speaker 52 Like, I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 12 But if you're going to give yourself a nickname, if you're going to put it in lights, you know.

Speaker 4 That's a Dan Hanses shout out.

Speaker 98 If you're going to put it in lights, you better back it up. You know, you may love me, you may hate me, but I am the old Zeuser.

Speaker 45 Are you nine?

Speaker 108 Let's see.

Speaker 52 Are you nine?

Speaker 4 We would not have known on your fourth podcast 14 years ago that you were backing anything up, right? I mean, now we know. We've got to give them a little bit of time.

Speaker 102 All right, let's give them all the time we can.

Speaker 64 Not all the time, but we can't.

Speaker 5 Meanwhile, the sands are slipping through the hourglass of the Viking season here.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 maybe it is this season. Maybe that's happening this season.
But the script for him shouldn't be 42 attempts where he's got 22 incompletions. That's not what you want to do with him right now.

Speaker 4 But even if this season melts away, how many teams we look at and say it's about the growth of the young quarterback?

Speaker 4 For some reason, we're looking at him differently. Like, I mean, not that we're entirely doing that, but

Speaker 19 we are.

Speaker 20 In part, we are because of the decision.

Speaker 24 And this isn't fair to him.

Speaker 73 You're right.

Speaker 93 In part because of the decision-making of the team, this was a 14-3 team last year that went turned to an unproven quarterback.

Speaker 85 So that raises expectations.

Speaker 103 Not many teams are going to go 14 and 3, bring back a lot of veterans on the roster, and then say this is a developmental year.

Speaker 62 This was a weird, kind of funky season in general.

Speaker 52 It was a weird situation, too. It's a little bit of a weird situation, which is not his fault.

Speaker 60 I just want to make that clear.

Speaker 77 I'm not bagging on the kids.

Speaker 63 But I don't think the Vikings expected to be a 14-3 team last year either. I think they expected to start a a little bit of like a re, at least a reload, if not a rebuild.

Speaker 63 But anyway, in his defense, you know, he was the leading rusher in this game for Minnesota with 48 yards on the ground. Like the run game just, and it was efficient.

Speaker 63 Aaron Jones averaged 5.2 yards per carry. Jordan Mason averaged 6.3 yards per carry.
They just didn't really go to it very much.

Speaker 49 You don't have to say in his defense, by the way.

Speaker 82 We know most things about J.J.

Speaker 34 McCarthy will be said in defense of him on this program.

Speaker 52 That's fair.

Speaker 63 He did have a QBR of 18.7, which, like, again, not just not good enough. And eight false start penalties, like,

Speaker 63 I mean, that really puts you in a bad position as the quarterback of the offense. And one of them was actually called on him, which is hilarious.

Speaker 63 I know, Connor, you say he took the blame for all of them, but, you know, when it's, you know, third and four, and now it's third and nine, or there was one play where literally he scrambled for like seven yards on a third and long, and it would have been a first down if they hadn't fall started immediately before that.

Speaker 63 So. that kind of stuff working against you.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 42 Anything else on this game from the winning side for the Ravens?

Speaker 63 Yeah, I think the Ravens looked like the Ravens that we expected to see early in the season. They did struggle to get in the end zone.
Like I said, in the first half, Brian Flores has the defense.

Speaker 63 At least last week, they played really well. This week, they were

Speaker 63 really good first half.

Speaker 52 But overall, they could not close drives.

Speaker 4 They could not close drives.

Speaker 64 They could not.

Speaker 4 That's a real thing for them that they've got to improve on.

Speaker 63 In the second half, they did do it. And Derrick Henry, you know, in the first half, the Ravens couldn't hardly run the ball.
Minnesota was stuffing everything.

Speaker 63 In the second half, it was a, like, they had a whole drive that was almost entirely handoffs. And

Speaker 63 they found their groove a little bit, I think. I think the Ravens, as we've all said, are set up to really just go on a run here.

Speaker 33 Those eight fall start penalties were the most by a home team in the past 16 seasons in the NFL.

Speaker 34 And after the game, players and coaches for Minnesota

Speaker 68 kind of were talking about the possibility that the Baltimore defense was making calls designed to simulate quarterback J.J.

Speaker 98 McCarthy's cadence.

Speaker 4 Didn't we just have this type of situation?

Speaker 52 So

Speaker 53 there was an accusation in the Falcons game about clapping against New England. But if you go back and

Speaker 53 I watched the TV copy, I watched the all-22 copy, and I could not find a single person that was doing anything remotely close to clapping. So I think that one was kind of a blind accusation.

Speaker 53 And if that's the case on the other end, again, I say good. Like, this is part of preparation.
It's legal preparation. And so I don't want to hear it.
By the way, I locked the Ravens.

Speaker 52 Bang.

Speaker 52 Let's go.

Speaker 103 You're hot, Connor.

Speaker 52 You're red hot, baby.

Speaker 11 You're hotter than that sweater off the back of a truck.

Speaker 4 A Chinese truck.

Speaker 49 It's very cool.

Speaker 1 A Chinese laundry truck that also has a bunch of bootleg NFL merch.

Speaker 53 I mean, it looks good. I was supporting nine today, though.
I was.

Speaker 53 This was for nine.

Speaker 9 Noin.

Speaker 49 All right, let's head to Soldier Field where the Bears once again pulled one out of their butts.

Speaker 31 And I'm not being facetious or critical of the Bears.

Speaker 51 That's a skill.

Speaker 52 To find a way.

Speaker 42 To find a way. And they certainly did.

Speaker 6 They were getting stomped at home by the New York Giants of all teams, but there was no panic.

Speaker 62 Chicago scores the last 14 points of the game,

Speaker 16 wiping out a 2010 deficit with 10-19 to play, winning 24-20.

Speaker 25 And

Speaker 49 they improved to 6-3.

Speaker 5 And currently, they're in possession of the last playoff spot in the NFC, as I believe. The Giants fall to 2-8 and 0-6.

Speaker 37 We'll get to the Giants side of it because what's happening with the Giants this season,

Speaker 89 you've seen it before.

Speaker 101 Sometimes you...

Speaker 52 The coach has got to go.

Speaker 102 The coach has got to go.

Speaker 31 But let's sit on that for a second.

Speaker 1 I got to give it up to the Bears here because

Speaker 38 it was, you know, cool, cool-looking vibes in this game.

Speaker 35 Blustery conditions.

Speaker 20 The snowflakes in the air for the first time.

Speaker 5 The Giants in the throwback uniform.

Speaker 82 Chicago obviously has their classic get-ups that they've had forever.

Speaker 7 you know, going at it, but the Giants are just outplaying the Bears.

Speaker 5 And Jackson Dart goes out of this game in the fourth quarter with a concussion.

Speaker 11 We'll get to that later.

Speaker 70 And the Bears, coincidentally or not, begin their comeback right at that time.

Speaker 12 And I thought in a game where Caleb Williams, you know, he could be frustrating to watch with his missed throws and his issues with accuracy and footwork and all that, but there is something to him.

Speaker 55 He has that

Speaker 26 franchise quarterback kind of

Speaker 76 Je nous Zécoi, where he can rise to the moment and make big plays and feed off momentum.

Speaker 5 And he certainly did that on the last two touchdown drives, including the go-ahead scramble in the final minutes.

Speaker 76 And he overcame a day that his offense let him down.

Speaker 12 The Bears had so many drops in this game.

Speaker 76 Zacchaeus, for instance, he had a terrible game, and he still was able to will this team back in a big comeback win after the game.

Speaker 97 Williams, once again, had a message for those who doubt the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 110 Yeah, we know who we are. We know we're real.
We know that

Speaker 110 some of the issues we had today were just

Speaker 110 may have been a drop here, may have been a drop there, and certain moments. And it's, you know, those are frustrating moments, but it's something that, you know, those moments happen.

Speaker 110 And so you don't waver. You don't lose the confidence.
You stay right where you are. You understand that those moments are going to happen.
You keep trying to lead your guys.

Speaker 110 And then from there, when it hits, you know, you just keep harping on that. You know, here we go.

Speaker 12 This is a team, Mark, that expects to win close games now, and there's been continual progress in this Ben Johnson season. And this is another example of that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Ben Johnson said to the team after basically, like, I don't even know what to tell you at this point in the locker room because we're doing this every week.

Speaker 4 And I mean, I think generally, you know, from a human angle, it does build confidence in a team with a new coach, a young quarterback, for Caleb Williams to run the ball the way he did, to be the hero of the game.

Speaker 4 Like, you just kind of start to believe you can do it. And the thing is, they can do it.
And I think that the, you know, whenever you get, I think back to when Kyle Shanahan went to Atlanta.

Speaker 4 Year one, it took, like the offense was not the full Kyle Shanahan offense. Year two, everything bloomed and you've got an MVP quarterback.

Speaker 4 And I wonder with Chicago, like we're getting deeper into the season, but I don't even know if we're seeing

Speaker 4 two-thirds of what Ben Johnson has planned for this team as these players grow. There's a lot of young guys on this team.

Speaker 4 And just to see what they've done with the ground game, not just from the quarterback, from, you know, from the running back position as well, it's like they're getting more and more more complete.

Speaker 4 And I now believe when I watch them close games that they come back, I did it a month ago.

Speaker 53 There's that episode. Well, you see it all the time on Instagram, the clip from the Dr.

Speaker 53 Phil show where they're trying to tell that kid to sit down and he's just moonwalking back and forth across the stage.

Speaker 53 And that's what watching Caleb Williams feels like to me, where, you know, Ben Johnson in his head is like, okay, three steps, plant your foot. And the guy who I'm designing the play is open.

Speaker 53 And Caleb Williams is like, woo, no, I'm going to run over here and then I'm going to come back over this way and then I'm going to go all the way halfway around the field.

Speaker 53 And it's, it's like Josh Alleny, it's like Patrick Mahomesy, but it's kind of also unnecessary. And that's what I love about the whole thing.
It's just so fun to watch.

Speaker 55 Yeah.

Speaker 76 And he's not like the,

Speaker 49 you know, Jaden Daniels or.

Speaker 68 Lamar Jackson, where he's the smoothest looking athlete.

Speaker 20 He gets it done.

Speaker 26 He evades pressure.

Speaker 5 He finds a way, but he doesn't do it in the most graceful manner. But he finds a way.

Speaker 12 Per PFF's charting this via Kevin Fishbane, the Bears' six drops were the most by one team in any game this season.

Speaker 79 On the Giants side, the dart thing is a real concern.

Speaker 82 We've been talking about this since he first showed up.

Speaker 6 He's been fun. He's been electrifying.

Speaker 28 He's been everything the Giants could have hoped he could be, except for he doesn't protect himself.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 57 he's only made six regular season starts.

Speaker 26 It feels like longer, but that's it. He's made six starts.

Speaker 86 He's already been evaluated for concussions in three games.

Speaker 7 He was evaluated for another one in the preseason.

Speaker 20 So that's four so far as a rookie.

Speaker 26 This is the first time he hasn't cleared protocol.

Speaker 34 So he officially was diagnosed with a concussion.

Speaker 5 And that aggressive play, Connor,

Speaker 49 which has been what has made him so immediately beloved in part with Giants fans, is a thing that he's going to have to learn to temper if he wants to hang around in this league because you can't mess around with head stuff.

Speaker 53 It's true. And it's sadly, it was, I mean, it's a hallmark of the Brian Dable offense with a mobile quarterback.
You look at Josh Allen's statistics when he had Brian Dable as a coordinator.

Speaker 53 We're looking at 10 attempt games, 11 attempt games, 12 attempt games all throughout that time before he left with the Giants.

Speaker 53 And then remember, he ran Daniel Jones a lot before there were the neck issues and before there were the lower body issues.

Speaker 53 And this offense looks good when you have a big body like Jackson Dart who can throw and you can run GT counter and all this cool stuff that they're running.

Speaker 53 I mean, it looks Lions-esque when it's working, but the problem, like you said, is eventually the Cam Newton rules are going to apply and somebody's going to knock you out.

Speaker 53 And he got certifiably knocked out in this game.

Speaker 53 And I don't know how that serves them moving forward because Jackson Dart's a good enough playmaker where I think you don't necessarily need the design run stuff as much.

Speaker 53 Now, I'm not an offensive play caller, but he can create a lot on his own. I don't think we need to put him in harm's way as much as we are.

Speaker 4 I don't know if they should. If you've had three concussions, like in this is a lost team.

Speaker 80 Well, this is his first concussion, but he has been checked for three.

Speaker 52 Checked for three.

Speaker 4 I mean, that also means you got hit hard. He was like

Speaker 4 taking these hits. And I like, I've always kind of been pro-Dayball, but I feel there's a disconnect to Connor's point about how even this was handled today.
There were questions about it, and

Speaker 4 I don't know. The Dayball ship is floating away for, I think, 98% of Giants fans outside of the Dayball family.

Speaker 86 He's under fined heavily for going into the medical tent when Jackson Dart was being checked for a concussion a few weeks back.

Speaker 35 I mean, this all checks out.

Speaker 66 And when you factor that in, this idea of player safety and

Speaker 11 we're talking brain injuries.

Speaker 33 And then you factor in the Giants are now 0-4 this season in games in which they have led by 10 or more points on the road.

Speaker 88 And you look at his absolute horrendous win-loss record

Speaker 89 for his entire tenure after the first season.

Speaker 20 I don't know what else this guy needs to do to get fired.

Speaker 5 And I just, the last point I want to make, it's strategy related.

Speaker 93 You are a team, even though you're supposed to have

Speaker 82 these closers on defense on your defensive line,

Speaker 33 you're not a team that can close.

Speaker 12 And when they are up 17, 10 in this game, they have fourth and goal from the Chicago one-yard line.

Speaker 49 They send up Youngwei Ku, who hits a 19-yard field goal. It's a reason you don't see 19-yard field goals anymore because nobody does them.

Speaker 10 They're out of vogue.

Speaker 58 Everyone Everyone realizes it's not the three points that you get, what you lose in field position,

Speaker 20 even if you don't convert, it's not worth it.

Speaker 57 Like, just go for it.

Speaker 15 And worst case scenario, the team is backed up against their own uprights.

Speaker 62 He kicks the field goal to go up 10.

Speaker 71 It's a very 1993 Ray Hanley way of thinking.

Speaker 102 But here's the problem: you can't get off the field on defense.

Speaker 35 So when they score touchdowns in the next two drives, you lose instead of a potential tie.

Speaker 12 And one last note on that.

Speaker 24 He kicks the 19-yard field goal, Connor.

Speaker 26 And then they're a flag on the play.

Speaker 71 And the Chicago Bears, I think, had too many men on the field.

Speaker 102 So they would have moved it to the half-yard line.

Speaker 111 They're begging.

Speaker 98 And Russell Wilson's on the field.

Speaker 20 He was on, this is the first possession with Wilson.

Speaker 112 They were running the football really well on that drive to get to the one-yard line.

Speaker 62 Like, Dable has no feel for the game.

Speaker 71 He has no feel for his team, and he's got to go.

Speaker 53 It's weird, too, because remember, all the way back, I think his first game as Giants head coach was against the Titans.

Speaker 53 And remember, he like went for it to win, and it was like Saquon Barkley dead to rights in the backfield, got hit like five yards behind the line of scrimmage and went and made it in.

Speaker 53 I mean, if anything, like you, you have to have that belief that even on the dumbest of decisions, you're going to have some of those plays that'll get you the touchdown.

Speaker 53 But man, I mean, you made the point earlier about Vrabel, and I think what this is with Dable is John Mara having three straight post-Coughlin coaches that only lasted two or fewer years, and there was just something about this.

Speaker 53 You know, Dable won the Coach of the Year Award. He wanted to hold on to it for as long as humanly possible.

Speaker 53 I don't know if this is a kind of a death knell game for me. I mean, this is tough.

Speaker 64 You got to get a lot of time. Very good timing.

Speaker 34 Yeah, very good timing for our upcoming end around show on Wednesday with the great James Palmer.

Speaker 95 We're going to check in on the hottest butts in the NFL head coaching ranks, and there are few hotter than Dable, who has incredibly hot cheeks at this moment.

Speaker 75 And not in the good way, not in the Mark Sessler's buns or hot way.

Speaker 52 Well, I'm not sure that's accurate.

Speaker 83 Molly, you and Denji big comeback, and in the AFC South

Speaker 28 to Houston.

Speaker 97 Like this one.

Speaker 52 Bum, boom, bum, boom, bum, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 5 The Houston Texans, man.

Speaker 104 Just when you're ready to count them out,

Speaker 32 they're like a body that was laying in the hospital bed.

Speaker 36 Like, let's unplug it.

Speaker 79 And then it sneezes.

Speaker 32 The Texans sneezed on Sunday, down 19 entering the fourth quarter of their matchup against the Jaguars.

Speaker 32 And they kept on coming back, rolling off 26 unanswered points in the final quarter, ending with a walk-off fumble recovery for a touchdown.

Speaker 32 And Davis Mills filling in for C.J. Stroud had the huge go-ahead touchdown run

Speaker 22 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 32 Final score, Texans 36.

Speaker 32 Fughazi Jaguars 29.

Speaker 90 Connor, this is the AFC South at its drunkest.

Speaker 53 And everything is just serving to help the Colts. Like these two teams are just broomfighting each other for second place.
And meanwhile, Indianapolis is just going to walk away with this thing.

Speaker 53 Totally gutting because this was, it set up to be a Jacksonville game. A ton of mistakes early by Houston.
Jacksonville was winning the turnover battle.

Speaker 53 This was the recipe that they've had throughout the entire season. And then everything just came to this crashing halt.
Like, so just full disclosure here, right? You got a bunch of things going on.

Speaker 53 You got the Giants game, which is on TV. And I know I didn't have that game, but it's beautiful and it's snowing.
And then all of a sudden, my other game is Dolphins and Bills.

Speaker 53 And and we'll get to that. And so, you see that the Jaguars are just kicking the shit out of the Texans.

Speaker 53 You're like, okay, I'm just going to kind of put this in third place for a hot second while I digest the snow because it's very beautiful and I love the holidays.

Speaker 53 And then you're kind of peeking on what's going on with the Bills. And then you turn back around and you're like, what the just happened here? And so the rewatch of this was even more stunning to me.

Speaker 53 I mean,

Speaker 53 this offense completely came to a halt. Bad job.
Big Nico Collins breakout game, though. I think that was a major difference, especially in the second.

Speaker 4 I think we all had that same experience. Where it's like,

Speaker 4 you're only able to watch so much of it at once. It's 26-0.
It's like, I'm checking you out of the, I'm moving you to the side at this point.

Speaker 4 And then suddenly we are watching a complete deconstruction of the Jaguars. Like,

Speaker 4 it's like the kind of like, do they come back from this game? I'm not trying to like oversell it.

Speaker 4 Like, all these teams are different from week to week, but the way that this went down and the fact that it came came against Davis Mills, who played really well, I thought, in this game down the stretch, and they kept firing up two-point conversions, like it was a complete and utter collapse that fans, Jagsworth, Jaguars fans will remember for a very long time for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 80 One of my favorite old newsroom memories

Speaker 33 when we would all be assigned to different games on Sunday.

Speaker 5 And back then, the podcast was kind of the secondary job, at least in the eyes of the executives that couldn't see the bigger picture.

Speaker 24 They would have us just hammering out copy on these games.

Speaker 66 And if Sessler was assigned to a game that he could put on the shelf, let's say a game like this is an example, and then he had to take it off the shelf and he had to rearrange his write-up and had to start.

Speaker 34 There would be, and anybody that's worked in sports journalism knows the idea of having your story get blown up and having to rework it.

Speaker 20 But when it happened to Sessler, that's when you would see, when we talk about Dark Sessler, when you talk about the quiet storm, you would peek over into his cubicle on one of those days and you could see like the volcano raging within the mind.

Speaker 54 And I'm just glad that we're not quite there anymore, Mark.

Speaker 51 You got to the other side, my friend.

Speaker 4 Right. And the most glaring,

Speaker 4 agitating example of this was covering the Patriots side of things in the 28-3 story against the Falcons. And I had my story wrapped by halftime and just taking line and graph and line.

Speaker 4 I bet you were happy with it, too.

Speaker 62 You're like, this is really good. This is a great Falcons.

Speaker 4 It was like just fill in quote here, go to locker room, fill in quote. Then it's like everything just went away.

Speaker 35 How about Daniel Hunter in this game?

Speaker 60 Has, you know, we're going to get to Will McDonald of the Jets who had four sacks today, and I thought he was going to have Defensive Player of the Week wrapped up.

Speaker 90 Daniel Hunter, this is a via PFF, four sacks, but eight pressures, six run stuffs.

Speaker 5 So Jacksonville's offense kind of ground to a halt in part or mainly because Hunter took the game over, Connor.

Speaker 53 He did. And D'Amico Ryans is so good.
I mean, I would put him up there with Todd Bowles and Mike McDonald in terms of just where you're bringing pressure, when you're bringing pressure. And

Speaker 53 really, over the last few weeks, I thought defensive coordinators just in general have gotten really, really good at recognizing which running backs don't want to block anymore and which ones that I'm just going to come in and I'm going to jam like one of the A or the B gap and I'm going to make you protect that over and over again.

Speaker 53 A lot of stunts, challenging ETN in that regard. And I thought it, you know, it panned out really well for the Texans.

Speaker 41 Hey, Gravy, I know you,

Speaker 68 speaking of hot butts, you were pushing this D'Amico Ryan's could be get fired narrative.

Speaker 32 It's not going to happen, but you did have something locked in on Thursday that came to fruition.

Speaker 63 Well, what's the podcast policy on like patting yourself on the back? Because I'd like to remain as much as possible.

Speaker 91 Okay, cool. As much as possible.

Speaker 52 You don't see that. Because we take a lot of L's.

Speaker 81 So when you get a W, take it.

Speaker 63 Humility out the window. I remember I said the one thing Davis Mills did well last week was get the ball to Nico Collins, which CJ Stroud had not been doing.

Speaker 52 And then

Speaker 63 big Nico Collins game. Also, Connor, can we just like, let's just put a bow on the quad box violation?

Speaker 91 How do you feel after this insane fourth quarter?

Speaker 52 Oh, okay. All right.
Wow. I'm just going to say that.

Speaker 102 Wait, does this call for a Sunday quad box hit?

Speaker 84 I mean, if we're going to go into a little quad box corner here, a little quad box post-game, hit it.

Speaker 113 Sure.

Speaker 109 Yeah, RS is in the deck pot now. Dr.
Sodom in your block. How artful this is.

Speaker 82 Look for you.

Speaker 103 Kevin, Kevin, Evan.

Speaker 107 Hey, Nipbell fans.

Speaker 114 Kathy Bates here.

Speaker 52 Or.

Speaker 85 Okay, perfect.

Speaker 102 Quad box post-game show.

Speaker 76 Connor Orr, who was very angry to get a quad box violation because he wanted to pick Jets Browns.

Speaker 24 Justin threw the red challenge flag and this was the game that was selected instead.

Speaker 20 I guess, Justin, you're trying to take another victory lap that you were right to do that.

Speaker 63 Yes, I mean, like, I also must acknowledge, and we'll get to the game, obviously, that Jets Browns was a pretty fun watch

Speaker 52 in its own right. Yeah.

Speaker 63 That's why I'm just curious, Connor, if you're like how you feel about the violation.

Speaker 52 I'm now just curious.

Speaker 63 After this 26-point fourth-quarter explosion by the Texans.

Speaker 84 Do you know, why don't you just count your blessings, Gravedigger?

Speaker 52 Because if this game would have stayed the way Sessler wanted it to stay, you would have been getting buried by Connor right now because that Jets Brown game was a corker.

Speaker 10 So maybe just, you know.

Speaker 53 You little babyface bitch assassin. I love this.

Speaker 53 Like, you're just like, you have this very little way of just being like, I'm just wondering if you're still upset about it, knowing full well that's just curious. Yeah, I'm just curious.

Speaker 53 Knowing full well this thing has been eating me the f alive for the last three hours.

Speaker 4 Diabolical.

Speaker 52 Yes.

Speaker 53 Fine, Justin. Good for you.

Speaker 38 Good for you.

Speaker 52 Good for you.

Speaker 13 All right, let's head to the nation's capital. Not exactly, but close enough.

Speaker 71 Let's go to Virginia.

Speaker 60 Sounds like Taylor Dane.

Speaker 32 All right, now to the late window, Blowout City.

Speaker 32 The Detroit Lions.

Speaker 32 Listen, I thought the Rams authored the greatest performance of any team this season offensively, but you could absolutely make the case that they didn't even have the best performance of the day.

Speaker 32 It was the Lions who scored every possession

Speaker 32 with the exception of a kneel-down themselves at the end of a 44-22 trouncing of the dead-on-arrival Washington Commanders.

Speaker 1 Detroit improves to 6-3.

Speaker 97 The Commanders, without Jaden Daniels, fall to 3-7.

Speaker 76 seven.

Speaker 34 This game, Justin, we'll stick with Justin on this one.

Speaker 72 I think the most notable thing was that Trump was in the booth in the third quarter.

Speaker 47 We'll get to that, but what else did you take out of this one?

Speaker 63 I mean, the Lions and Commanders, look, I'll just say it's been a long time since that NFC divisional playoff game. Like

Speaker 63 a lot of time has passed.

Speaker 91 It feels that way.

Speaker 63 And this is just two teams on two different levels of skill in this league right now. The Commanders, without their starting quarterback, they're just outclassed.
And it's like, there's not much.

Speaker 63 They're so banged up on defense in addition to not having Daniels. Terry McLaurin still not playing.
Like Traylon Burks is out here catching passes.

Speaker 63 Robbie Chosen is out here catching passes, if you can even believe that.

Speaker 63 That's where the Commanders' roster is at. The Lions looked amazing, and I think they might have scored on every single possession.

Speaker 53 Except for the last one. Yeah.

Speaker 52 Until the very end. Except for the kneel down.

Speaker 63 Which is obviously just shows how dominant they were in this game. And something very interesting to keep an eye on.
This has not been reported.

Speaker 63 I should have looked this up. I'm not sure if Dan Campbell talked about this after the game, but

Speaker 63 it looked like Dan Campbell was calling plays for the offense. This was a lot of people pointing this out on Twitter.

Speaker 63 And eventually, Kenny Albert and Jonathan Villma in the booth caught on to it as well: that Campbell was holding the play sheet all game, clearly talking into the headset before offensive plays, after John Morton's offense failed to score, what, over 25 points, I think, like three weeks in a row.

Speaker 63 And then the Lions had that many points by halftime with what looked like potentially Dan Campbell taking on play calling duties.

Speaker 53 So that's interesting. He didn't say it at halftime, Justin, but afterwards, I think he said something to the effect of we're just trying something a little different.

Speaker 53 Goff basically soft confirmed the fact that

Speaker 53 Campbell had been calling the plays.

Speaker 53 And this is awesome.

Speaker 53 It's so awesome because

Speaker 53 you're doing two different things. First of all, you're pacifying your best players.
This was a Jamison Williams issue a lot.

Speaker 53 I mean, Johnny Morton apologized to him and said that he wasn't utilizing him, had his most targets and most yards. I think Jameer Gibbs had his best yards per second-best yards per scrimmage game.

Speaker 53 These were the guys that needed to get going. And Morton had Jameer Gibbs stuck in pass protection last week against the Vikings, and that was kind of the final straw.

Speaker 53 And he's not just passing this off to like the QB coach. He's like, no, f ⁇ it, I'm going to do it.
If something's going to change, I'm going to do it.

Speaker 53 And I think this has such good long-term ramifications. It's almost like what everybody's hoping that the Eagles would do that and they're not doing, right? Is just like, pacify your stars.

Speaker 53 Have those big games if you can. And Dan Campbell, I mean, he got everybody that wanted the ball the ball.

Speaker 56 It was, it was incredible.

Speaker 4 Right. The box score.
looks like the Lions

Speaker 4 on crack, like in all the right ways. Like everyone that you wanted to.
The good crack. The good crack.
The good crack. The high quality crack.

Speaker 4 And the visuals of Dan Campbell, he was like face deep in the play sheet. He just seemed to be more engaged on that front.
And the Pellraiser

Speaker 4 had a tweet talking about the same thing about the play calling thing and that there has been talk of like a reported disconnect between John Morton. and Dan Campbell.

Speaker 4 None of this is totally official, but it's been hinted at by so many people at this point that it's like, that's fine. That's fine.
That's probably what happened, and it's working.

Speaker 4 So whatever's going to make the Lions

Speaker 4 this version of them, yes, we'll take it.

Speaker 101 You know, it's amazing, too?

Speaker 5 Has anybody been watching the Lions this season? And I know last week things didn't go well being like, man, this offense isn't very good.

Speaker 51 Like, it's, they slumped a little.

Speaker 49 Yeah, it's rich people problems, though.

Speaker 20 And it's, but to Connor's point, like, I totally agree.

Speaker 80 Like, this is a team that's aggressively IDing internally what they can do to be better.

Speaker 41 And the head coach is the head of the ship, and

Speaker 33 he's taken a hands-on approach.

Speaker 26 Like Jameer Gibbs, 15 carries, 142 yards, two touchdowns. I think, like, yeah, it's the totally simplified version is let your best players get the ball in the hands of your best players.

Speaker 5 And that's, again, watching Jamison Williams in this game and he scores another touchdown. Jameison Williams is one of the best players on the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 24 So if you're not keeping him involved in the offense, you're doing it wrong.

Speaker 5 So good job by by Detroit and probably a tough one for John Morton.

Speaker 33 I would imagine when he gets in his car after the plane lands in Detroit, he's like,

Speaker 20 it's going to be a little bit of a bittersweet ride home and chat with the wife about where things are career-wise.

Speaker 23 But as long as the Lions keep winning, he should be safe, at least in terms of getting his paychecks.

Speaker 63 And Gibbs had a receiving touchdown as well, in addition to everything you said. And Goff only had eight incompletions.

Speaker 63 And one of the things that we had highlighted in the offseason was the mind meld that appeared to be happening between Ben Johnson and Jared Goff, obviously before Johnson left.

Speaker 63 And I don't know if that was happening with John Morton, but Dan Campbell and Goff, you know, Campbell's gone to bat for Goff how many times publicly?

Speaker 63 Like, he's his guy, and they clearly have that close relationship where they can be on the same page.

Speaker 13 The only other thing I'll say, because I had an eye on this game, which is

Speaker 49 Washington is not competitive right now.

Speaker 34 Like, the first Gibbs touchdown was, as Justin said, on like a little

Speaker 15 kind of slant type thing where he drifted out of the backfield and then just darted across the middle.

Speaker 35 They have a linebacker covering the fastest man in the NFL, fastest running back alive.

Speaker 101 It was like, who's what happened to this team?

Speaker 11 What happened to the Washington Commanders?

Speaker 26 You guys want to talk real quick, a little bit about the third quarter?

Speaker 98 We have Kenny Albert in the booth.

Speaker 7 We have Jonathan Vilma in the booth.

Speaker 86 And I would imagine if Fox knew.

Speaker 52 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7 If I not imagine, I know this now.

Speaker 50 This is a guarantee.

Speaker 49 If Fox knew that Trump was going to speak to their announcers

Speaker 34 in the third quarter for like eight minutes or whatever it was, they probably are sending Brady or their top team there and really like being set up for the moment.

Speaker 68 Instead, it's Albert and Vilma, which just cracked me up.

Speaker 101 And what proceeds to happen is a bit of an awkward back and forth between the sitting president and in between these two men.

Speaker 57 There's a couple game stoppages, and it's clear.

Speaker 6 At one point, you see Kenny Albert, who must have been shitting his pants, honestly, his eyes darting off to the side, like someone waving their arms to him and like being very afraid to ask a question or have to react to something that Trump says that turns the world on his ear.

Speaker 5 I could not believe there was not a Redskins reference by Trump.

Speaker 87 But at one point, Albert, after they talk about

Speaker 72 Trump's

Speaker 34 playing days as a tight end at prep school,

Speaker 5 They ask him to call a play.

Speaker 5 They fall over themselves complimenting Trump for the play call.

Speaker 36 Here was the play call.

Speaker 34 Why don't you judge for yourself whether he did a nice job with it?

Speaker 4 And let's see. We have a very important, I think it's a very important couple of plays.

Speaker 52 Here we go.

Speaker 4 Second and seven.

Speaker 4 Second and seven. Let's see what happens.

Speaker 109 Whoa.

Speaker 4 All right. Krosky Merritt.
Not bad.

Speaker 28 Takes it down to the five-yard line.

Speaker 4 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 72 Good runner.

Speaker 28 You did an excellent job calling that play. Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 What does we like second and seven mean?

Speaker 63 I think he got cut off by Kenny Albert because Albert was expecting him to

Speaker 63 just do what any of us would do if we had the opportunity to call an NFL play, which I feel like we would all do an amazing job of mimicking a broadcaster. And so he

Speaker 52 says the ball.

Speaker 63 He didn't set up the down and distance. He goes, here we go.

Speaker 48 Very big play.

Speaker 65 Whoa.

Speaker 64 I mean, are you surprised?

Speaker 52 Whoa.

Speaker 15 Connor put a bow on it.

Speaker 60 Connor turned his mic off. I mean, what does that mean?

Speaker 53 I had 49ers and Rams, and I opted to stay there during this one. So

Speaker 53 I felt good about that decision.

Speaker 52 Fair enough.

Speaker 111 I love the Jets.

Speaker 52 Oh, no.

Speaker 72 Woody's a a great guy.

Speaker 52 He's a great friend of mine.

Speaker 4 They'll get it together.

Speaker 4 They'll get it together.

Speaker 86 This is like...

Speaker 53 Do you remember, I'm not going to do this thing because it's tiresome, but I always liked it when

Speaker 53 Andy Katz did like the bracket with Obama. Remember that? Like the March Madness bracket? Yeah.
And then everyone was like, I can't believe that they're doing that.

Speaker 53 And Trump is just calling plays for a commander's game like during week eight of a government shutdown and we're just like you know we're like oh god in contrast to that that's that's

Speaker 12 I think yeah I think this is the first time a president has sitting president has been at an NFL game in like 30 or 40 years something like that a regular season game since regular season game 70s or something like nothing else going on

Speaker 66 all right let's take a break and when we get back we'll continue to roll through week 10.

Speaker 72 I love the Jets.

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Speaker 8 Well, you don't. You don't live in my house, but you can understand.
It's chaos.

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Speaker 5 And honestly, why not go big this year?

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Speaker 8 I know Sessler has one on his mind for himself.

Speaker 60 I also,

Speaker 95 I'm a Bob's guy. I got two outdoor rocking chairs and also got this storage bed for the bedroom.

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Speaker 8 Thanks, Mark. I appreciate that compliment.

Speaker 52 You're welcome.

Speaker 52 Doc, all new Tuesday on Fox. All right.

Speaker 52 Oh, no.

Speaker 45 You know,

Speaker 83 another doc, you know, and Fox is in on doc.

Speaker 115 Let's be real about this.

Speaker 24 The medical procedural program, doc,

Speaker 14 it's gotten increasingly soapy in season two, but they continue to make it.

Speaker 86 And if you track these things, you know what that means in terms of the network's directives.

Speaker 15 They put it as the last ad before they come out of break,

Speaker 49 which means they want eyeballs on the show.

Speaker 108 They want you to go watch Doc exclusively on Fox.

Speaker 83 And yet I can't get past Connor, and you're the person that's watched Doc the most.

Speaker 35 As we continue to ramp up the dramatics, the melodrama, now someone's been thrown out the fourth floor window of the hospital.

Speaker 28 Like, how did we get here?

Speaker 102 Yes, last week, a priest's eyes were bleeding, stigmata.

Speaker 102 Now, somebody's going flying out the window.

Speaker 102 What's next?

Speaker 53 I think if any of these one weeks had happened to a regular doctor at a hospital, they would have quit and joined the Peace Corps.

Speaker 53 But Doc is just in it every week in this completely psychotic, unhinged hospital. And I got to catch up on it.
If it wasn't Hallmark's season, I'm going to be honest,

Speaker 53 I would probably go back and get totally caught up on it.

Speaker 48 All right. Well, maybe you will.

Speaker 91 Maybe you will.

Speaker 52 All right.

Speaker 7 Last game.

Speaker 21 Mark, do you have any doc take before we move on?

Speaker 4 I have avoided the show because I feel like I get my spoonful right here on this show.

Speaker 4 I also, if I were hearing word that it was growing in, I guess, genuine drama, I would latch on to it, but it seems like it's just gone, like a writer room has gone totally crazy to cling on to this season two.

Speaker 64 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 29 You want to see what happens next at this point because, like, they are, they got stigmata.

Speaker 55 They got,

Speaker 72 they have, I think there was a gun subplot in the premiere.

Speaker 35 Somebody's flying out the window, and we're not even halfway through season two.

Speaker 75 I mean,

Speaker 102 are they going to space for the finale? Like, what, what's next with Doc?

Speaker 15 I mean, that there's, there's genuine drama for me, Mark, in terms of

Speaker 87 the mechanics of the program and how it's going to continue to level up.

Speaker 4 I don't doubt that. I just feel like in the minute and a half-long preview, I get as much as I need.
It's giving me the outline, if that makes sense.

Speaker 7 Fair enough.

Speaker 10 All right, we're going to went into the break with a 44-22 game.

Speaker 34 Now we're going to come out of the break with another 44-22 game to Seattle.

Speaker 105 Yeah, the Seahawks are

Speaker 39 doing that thing that we ask for.

Speaker 9 When you got a deadass team coming into your building and you're a contender, you put them to sleep.

Speaker 22 You put the million-dollar dream on them.

Speaker 32 And just to

Speaker 16 be safe, to continue my 80s wrestling analogy,

Speaker 16 you hit them with the DDT.

Speaker 8 That's what they did.

Speaker 105 That's what the Seahawks did to the Cardinals,

Speaker 22 scoring the game's first 35 points in the first half, and then just kind of coasting from there, winning 44 to 22.

Speaker 32 The good cheer around the Cardinals after their

Speaker 16 upset win in week nine, a distant memory, and the Seahawks, yes, remain

Speaker 5 at pace with the Los Angeles Rams 7-2

Speaker 21 in the NFC

Speaker 26 West. Sestdog.

Speaker 67 This team, I mean,

Speaker 15 Demarcus Lawrence had two fumble returns for touchdowns in the first half of this game.

Speaker 49 It was too easy.

Speaker 4 It's a good place to start

Speaker 4 because both of those touchdowns included the same player, Tyree Snight, strip-sacking Jacoby Brissette.

Speaker 4 So it was like, how often are there two defensive setups with the two same guys that triggered the score for the same team separating themselves from the Cardinals?

Speaker 4 It's the kind of thing where Jackson Smith and Jigba had such a dominant first half that he, for a minute, they thought he was in. Jurdy kind of came in and out and they didn't need to use him.

Speaker 4 And Darnold starts seven of seven after opening 17 of seven last week. And the Seahawks had 28 points at one point when the Cardinals had 11 plays.
It was as dominant

Speaker 4 a first half that I can really recall. And then the second half just becomes a soup where, of course, the Cardinals are going to get some garbage time touchdowns.

Speaker 4 I just see a Seahawks team that, like, again, I'm looking around. I'm like, they can win games in a lot of different ways.
They've got stars on this team. Zach Charbonnet had a big game tonight.

Speaker 4 It is just an interesting thing to watch with the Seahawks because under Mike McDonald, they have grown so fast in two seasons.

Speaker 4 And their show of force today against a Cardinals team, and look at, I get it.

Speaker 4 No one's high in the Cardinals, but if they had done anything this season, they had played very close games. It was five straight losses with 14 points between all of them in the deficit.

Speaker 4 And they just, the wheels fell off today. But I don't think it was as much about Arizona as it was Seattle.
It was pretty amazing to watch. The late window was crazy, and this was all part of it.

Speaker 97 Yeah, they had three turnovers in this game when the game was already decided.

Speaker 5 Two of those turnovers set up kind of short gimme touchdowns for the Cardinals.

Speaker 49 And that was just to get it to 44-22.

Speaker 95 I mean, yeah, this is one of the biggest blowouts of the season.

Speaker 76 And

Speaker 60 this, like the Rams, I mean, this is going to be a great, Connor, it's going to be a great race down the stretch in the NFC West because I respect the Niners, and I think the Niners can absolutely get to the number that they need to get to to be playing January playoff football.

Speaker 5 But I think this is a two-horse race for the division, and this almost might have vibes, similar vibes to me, Connor, of the Lions Vikings chase in the north last year, where we might look up at the end of December, early January, might be looking at two 13-win teams coming right down the stretch.

Speaker 76 These are two of the best teams in the league in the same NFC West.

Speaker 53 And looky, what we have on the schedule on November 16th, we have Seahawks Rams. Let's go.
I mean, how great is that?

Speaker 53 I would say that, and it's so funny because the Seahawks get up so early in some of these games that I don't think that we're able to fully comprehend, like, what is their emergency strategy where it's, you know, you're you're down 7-3 at the start of the third quarter and you know you need to establish the run.

Speaker 53 How are you doing that? And I think that Charbonnet had a good game and had the 86 yards, I think it was, but can you do that from scratch when you're not playing ahead of the sticks all the time?

Speaker 53 Can you generate that run game from nothing? Whereas I know that the Rams can do that.

Speaker 53 And I think that might be my one little nitpicky complaint about the Seahawks, but it's like, it's so unfounded because they can score in other ways.

Speaker 53 But I mean, November and December and January are all about like diversifying a little little bit. So I don't know.
I can't wait for this. That's going to be the first overall pick.

Speaker 64 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Like the one thing I'd say, it's been a couple games here where in Darnold, A, like playing,

Speaker 4 he fits so well in this Clint Kubiak offense. But there have been a rash of turnovers when there shouldn't be and late in some of these games.
And today wasn't an example of that.

Speaker 4 It was a, the game went to junk and like things just happened, but just something to watch.

Speaker 4 And the other little note, Rashid Jaheed, who there were notes saying like he's going to play a big role right away in this offense,

Speaker 4 right out of the gate, they give him a jet sweep. And, you know, it was Jackson's game, and then the game got out of hand.
But I think you're going to see him as a pretty decent part of this offense.

Speaker 4 Like, his speed

Speaker 4 caught the Cardinals offense.

Speaker 13 He had two rushes.

Speaker 68 That was a 10-yard, two 10-yard rushes, and then he was targeted once in the game.

Speaker 15 Darnold finished 10 of 12.

Speaker 5 I think he had one passing attempt in the second half. So that tells you everything you need to know.

Speaker 61 And I agree, Mark, that if there's one thing to keep an eye on with Seattle,

Speaker 87 the ball does kind of go up for grabs occasional.

Speaker 95 Darnold maybe gets a little loose with the football times, but otherwise

Speaker 10 they're locked and loaded. And shout out just straight up for all my boys and girls out there that got Trey McBride on our fantasy teams.

Speaker 96 He's there for us.

Speaker 51 Things might not be looking great for the Arizona Cardinals, but Trey McBride, I think he set an NFL record for the most games in a row as a tight end with five-plus receptions.

Speaker 42 Nine for 127 and a touch.

Speaker 87 It's either him or the guy in Vegas when you're talking about the best tight end in the league, I think.

Speaker 35 Tyler Warren, you could have a case for him as well.

Speaker 52 Yes.

Speaker 91 Great catch today.

Speaker 95 Top, top, top dog at tight end.

Speaker 106 All right, let's keep moving. Up next,

Speaker 67 let's head to Berlin. How about that?

Speaker 41 Are we not playing the German national anthem just because out of safety?

Speaker 43 We had a little issue last year, as I recall.

Speaker 31 Yeah, I was going to hit it.

Speaker 41 There was a long era of the national anthem of Germany on the show last year that didn't sit well with a segment mark of our audience.

Speaker 39 And as

Speaker 32 our names are on the show,

Speaker 32 we're taking a safer path in 25.

Speaker 4 We are. I think that's wise.

Speaker 63 I was going to play it during the preview for this game, but we had Baldy on, so it just felt like a weird vibe. And here, I'm going for like German rave.

Speaker 53 I was going to say this this feels very Berlin.

Speaker 4 Yes, yeah, a little soft rave, but sure.

Speaker 103 A lot of leather.

Speaker 32 Mark's like, these aren't the raves that I, you know, my raves go harder than these.

Speaker 4 I just think when you go and explore like German rave music, it sometimes can be a little bit more fierce than this. This is like a

Speaker 105 what is the state of the Hollywood rave club a warehouse scene in 2025, Mark?

Speaker 4 I would not know. I genuinely would not know.

Speaker 39 Sessler drinking the fruit punch at an old abandoned warehouse by the wharf.

Speaker 32 I mean, I try it.

Speaker 52 All right, let's see.

Speaker 6 Good game, really good game in Berlin between the Colts and Falcons, a game that went back and forth.

Speaker 105 The Falcons have a late lead.

Speaker 2 The Colts show a lot of gumption.

Speaker 36 Put it that way, Sessdog.

Speaker 22 Third and forever, down three points.

Speaker 32 Daniel Jones gets a long scramble, and then a fourth down conversion.

Speaker 80 Two, Tyler Warren, setting up up the tying field goal.

Speaker 41 And then Jonathan Taylor did the rest.

Speaker 22 Has a career game, 244 yards on the ground, three touchdowns, including the walk-off in OT.

Speaker 6 Final score 31-25 over the Falcons who just can't ever quite figure it out.

Speaker 59 Take it away, Sesse.

Speaker 4 I mean, Jonathan Taylor comes out as the screaming headline. It was such an incredible thing to watch from start to finish.

Speaker 4 But down the stretch,

Speaker 4 he was a blazing wonder. And he scored 49.6 PPR points today.

Speaker 4 He has 891 rushing yards after contact this season. 350 more than any other player.
And it looks like it. He is just absolute dominance.

Speaker 4 And it's not that he saves them because there's so many parts around him, but this was a Colts offense that had to overcome. A number of issues today.

Speaker 4 It doesn't sound like it at the end, but penalties were a huge problem. They had two drives in the red zone and on downs.
They didn't convert a third down until the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 And there were, by Michael Badgley, a killer misfield goal and a killer PAT that kept the kept the Falcons into this. And so Jonathan Taylor did become the story.

Speaker 4 And Daniel Jones, I think, is a is imperfect, but very resilient. But when you've got Taylor with you, he just took the thing over.

Speaker 4 And the only other thing I'd throw out there right away is that this, all eyes were on Sauce Gardner. And Dan, I know you were watching this too.

Speaker 4 It was a little bit, it was a shaky performance for him, but they talked about the fact that he's had to spend two to three hours last Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday just to learn Lurian Rumo's defense.

Speaker 4 So my feeling is like it's going to get better, but he had a, he had a rough, like gave up a two-point conversion on a rough play where he tripped. He dropped an interception.

Speaker 4 It just didn't look like, oh, that's the guy we traded for with two first-round players.

Speaker 5 Sauce Gardner dropped an interception?

Speaker 73 No.

Speaker 4 Technically, I I know he's done it before, but this was on the big stage here at 6.30 in the morning West Coast time.

Speaker 39 Not only did he have to learn the defense on the fly, he had to travel to goddamn Germany for a game.

Speaker 76 I think Sauce is going to help them, but yeah, he wasn't great in this game, at least

Speaker 60 on the surface.

Speaker 5 Jonathan Taylor is a brilliant player,

Speaker 5 and he's absolutely deserves to be the MVP conversation.

Speaker 49 He's flirting with 2,000 yards on the season.

Speaker 58 They ran the ball 41 times in this game for over 300 yards, almost almost eight yards a clip with Taylor obviously being the workhorse.

Speaker 60 That long touchdown run, 83 yards, where he runs into the line, bounces out, and then has the acceleration to get around the edge and just outrun everyone.

Speaker 34 That's like very few guys can do what Jonathan Taylor does.

Speaker 50 I am, I'll say it, Connor.

Speaker 24 Daniel Jones still spooks me.

Speaker 5 He had three more fumbles in this game.

Speaker 33 He had an interception and three fumbles.

Speaker 10 He lost one of the fumbles.

Speaker 95 And now when you factor in that with the five game last week, some bad habits are creeping back into his game.

Speaker 98 I'll just say that because we're talking about a Colts team that's 8-2.

Speaker 58 So it's going to be positive.

Speaker 15 But when you're 8-2, expectations have gone from the floor to the ceiling in Indianapolis.

Speaker 26 And when the quarterback doesn't take care of the ball, that gets me nervous.

Speaker 53 And really what you're seeing is a continuation of the same kind of pressures and the same kind of stunts that the Steelers put on tape the week before.

Speaker 53 And so Steelers had a big game from one of their off-ball linebackers on the pressure front last week.

Speaker 53 Now Caden Ellis comes in and was playing off like David Añamata a couple times and getting into the backfield, just getting in Daniel Jones' face. And it's weird.
It's almost like it's toddler-esque.

Speaker 53 Once a couple of those things happen, he just makes these like frustration throws where he just pushes the ball down the field for no reason.

Speaker 53 And it's either way short or way long, and it's always in harm's way. This was a hallmark of his time back at the Giants.

Speaker 53 And it's very strange to see that part of his personality creeping back out again when everything is better now for him. The weapons, the play callers, the offensive line.

Speaker 53 And so I think teams are just feeling, you know, they're peeing in his cornflakes a little. He doesn't like that.

Speaker 51 Let me just say this, Mark.

Speaker 48 We were just a little critical.

Speaker 68 We got after Daniel Jones a little bit, but I'll say that the Falcons have a chance to close this game out.

Speaker 5 It's third and 21 in the final minutes of regulation, and they're down three points.

Speaker 12 And Jones takes the snap and there's nobody open.

Speaker 11 And he takes off and gets 18, as I said, of those 21 yards back.

Speaker 15 And then he does deliver on the fourth down throw to Warren.

Speaker 76 So those are two big-time money plays when the game was on the line.

Speaker 58 So while the ball security is something

Speaker 68 wanting there, he once again showed why he's been such a big

Speaker 88 part of their season.

Speaker 4 He made a couple. He had another run right up the gut.
Like he did things in this game. He took seven sacks.
I mean, he was brutalized. And there's a photo.

Speaker 4 Check check out this like picture of what he looked like at one point in this game

Speaker 52 this was like i'm disturbing

Speaker 4 it blood-filled mouth and when you're watching it live it was like why is he in this game but he refused to go out they fixed it but it's like there's something about him that feels very resilient amid a couple of weeks now of mistakes after a very perfect start.

Speaker 4 So I don't know if he's figured out. It's just that, isn't that part of the biorhythm of the season? Like he's, he continued to make make plays today.

Speaker 4 And I, I mean, he's one of the reasons they got out of there.

Speaker 12 Well, two weeks ago, I said, How come people aren't talking about Daniel Jones the way they talked about Sam Darnold last year,

Speaker 10 waiting for him to come down to earth?

Speaker 58 After two weeks where he's put the ball in harm's way a ton, now that's happening.

Speaker 44 So it doesn't mean that he actually is coming down to earth.

Speaker 11 It's just now there's a little more conversation around it.

Speaker 115 There's something weird about that.

Speaker 49 The blood on his face, and I love it too.

Speaker 34 That's football.

Speaker 10 But it kind of looks like lipstick a little bit.

Speaker 12 And then it reminds me of like one of the more unsettling aspects of internet meme culture in the modern landscape with professional football where people turn NFL quarterbacks into female versions.

Speaker 111 They're like, would you have sex with your favorite quarterback? How about this quarterback? Would you have sex with this quarterback? How about this quarterback?

Speaker 62 If it was a chick, would you have sex with her?

Speaker 62 Looks like he's like that version of that meme

Speaker 10 in real time. And it was a little, it was a little unsettling.

Speaker 4 The only difference is those, those images that they create, it's like Baker Mayfield with the nice woman's haircut. This is a clearly and lipstick.

Speaker 13 That's what I'm getting at. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's a woman.

Speaker 52 This was cool. It was a woman in a culture.

Speaker 62 Whatever happened to Gary Cooper lipstick is what that was.

Speaker 64 That was blood, bitch.

Speaker 55 All right, moving on.

Speaker 67 An AFC East game that was supposed to be a cakewalk turned into anything but for the odd Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 17 Ceci, remind me.

Speaker 82 What did the Bills do last week in week nine?

Speaker 52 I'd have to remember.

Speaker 78 I'll try.

Speaker 61 All right, I'm going to try with Connor.

Speaker 32 Connor, remind me, what did the

Speaker 32 Bills do in week nine?

Speaker 4 They had their best game of the season.

Speaker 32 Thank you, Mark.

Speaker 4 They topped the Chiefs.

Speaker 78 I was a real two-hander this show.

Speaker 32 We nailed that one.

Speaker 78 Yes, they beat up on the Chiefs of all teams, and then they look like they were flying high.

Speaker 32 And then they go to Miami, and they're getting shut out.

Speaker 14 They're getting beat by multiple scores.

Speaker 22 They're getting shut out in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 The Bills and the defense is getting beat up by two and the Dolphins. And

Speaker 41 then just when you think maybe Buffalo has a comeback in them, Devon A.

Speaker 5 Chan breaks a big one.

Speaker 32 The backbreaker and a win for the Dolphins 30-13.

Speaker 32 So as I said, couple that with a Patriots, another Patriots win, and the Bills are a game and a half out in the AFC East.

Speaker 32 And remember, right now, the Patriots have the head-to-head in this one as well.

Speaker 11 Connor, make it make sense.

Speaker 20 How did this game go so sideways?

Speaker 53 Well, it was a combination of a lot of things. Buffalo clearly looked gassed.
I think they were bothered by the heat.

Speaker 53 And Miami marched down the field with a really long touchdown drive to start the game.

Speaker 53 And then once they got up 16-0, you kind of saw a little bit of signs of life from the Bills, but then just an absolute monsoon of a downpour.

Speaker 53 And that changed the complexion of the game too, where I think the heat factored in. I think the rain factored in, and then it just didn't leave enough time for Buffalo to be Buffalo at the end.

Speaker 53 I mean, Josh Allen still had one of the most ridiculous plays that I've seen all season, ran like 38 yards behind the backfield to make this critical completion, but just wasn't enough.

Speaker 53 I mean, this offense looks roundly broken, and you caught Mike McDaniel on a good day, which is still possible to do.

Speaker 112 So, yeah, give it up for Mike McDaniel, See.

Speaker 101 I mean,

Speaker 89 we just talked about it.

Speaker 25 No one's in a tougher situation because you know changes are coming.

Speaker 5 They just fired the GM after another lifeless performance, but they've definitely showed signs of life, and

Speaker 19 you see it in the locker room after this game.

Speaker 26 The vibes are off the charts, and let's watch a little of that.

Speaker 13 Check it out on YouTube.

Speaker 4 All right, give a breakdown of this sesi give the audio audience these seem to be large laundry carts that there's about three of them together and players are just in them um carrying each other across the locker room going absolutely nuts uh dancing around yeah this is a dolphin staffer going into a break dance routine you just did the worm he did the worm

Speaker 86 that's pretty nice they

Speaker 51 did that That's nice. That's a huge win.

Speaker 83 And then after that, McDaniel spoke and

Speaker 5 you could tell he was proud because this is a situation where this team could have has every excuse in the book to completely check out.

Speaker 97 And I don't think it saves McDaniel's job necessarily, but that's a pretty nice win against the Bills team that is really smarting and needed that game.

Speaker 4 I thought the Bills run defense is a major problem. And the Dolphins and Devon Achan just absolutely lashed them and really took them out of this.

Speaker 4 And I think it's in a place right now with this defense that if Buffalo's offense doesn't fully show up, you're in hot water. And

Speaker 4 this is against the Dolphins. So I kind of left with a giant burning question mark about what this team is.

Speaker 4 And my belief is not high that there won't come a day that their season ends far before they thought it should.

Speaker 51 But, Ceci, like, you remember.

Speaker 4 This was our number one team in the power rankings.

Speaker 5 Wait, you remember last week, right?

Speaker 49 The game last week, right?

Speaker 4 I do.

Speaker 102 That was an awesome performance by their defense.

Speaker 67 And

Speaker 72 that's the thing that I imagine is

Speaker 62 Sean McDern, if he had hair, he'd be pulling it out because it's like,

Speaker 66 how did I get this thing back on track, even with Ed Oliver missing?

Speaker 5 And then I get this performance.

Speaker 15 Maybe, Connor, what you were saying, maybe this is like one of those things.

Speaker 79 A lot of teams in the AFC East, you know, famously the Patriots for years have been this way.

Speaker 15 The Jets haven't won down there in forever.

Speaker 5 Teams struggle going down to Miami and playing in those conditions.

Speaker 11 Maybe that's at the root of a lot of this.

Speaker 53 This is going to be the only comparison I can make for the look on Josh Allen's face. I was saying this to my wife.
There was like this really bad made-for-TV lifetime movie on the other day where

Speaker 53 a bunch of girls like on a cheerleading team got addicted to like over-the-counter oxycontin and then started like shooting heroin.

Speaker 53 And just the look in their face of like pure, like just being out of it was what Josh Allen looked like on the sidelines of this game.

Speaker 53 Just like I like he looked ill or just like totally red in the face. And

Speaker 88 I don't know.

Speaker 53 It was weird.

Speaker 49 I don't know. If you can get

Speaker 68 Mark and I the name of that program about the cheerleaders hooked on Oxie, we would appreciate it.

Speaker 82 While you do that, here is Josh Allen after a disappointing loss.

Speaker 116 They came ready to play.

Speaker 52 Look at it.

Speaker 51 He's messed up, man. Look good.

Speaker 116 That'd be better. That'd be better in the protection game and the passing.

Speaker 25 You got to break the supply chain to the cheerleaders.

Speaker 53 He looks like he just stole a rung of copper wire with Tim Riggins in season six of Friday Night Lights.

Speaker 52 It's insane.

Speaker 4 But recall, like after that, in the Falcons game, coming out of that, it was his grandmother that told him, I need you to be a little more lively and enthusiastic on the sideline.

Speaker 4 Like something just doesn't seem entirely right to me. You could throw this away to the weather, and I get the Chiefs game, but...
We're not throwing it away.

Speaker 7 Not throwing it away, but yeah.

Speaker 53 Let me venture a guess, okay? And Bill's mafia has kind of turned on Joe Brady. There was like the Joe Brady star rise that has gone into the starfall, the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 53 This offense just lacks like a cohesion. And you can watch a 49ers game.
You can watch a Rams game. You can watch a Packers game.
You can understand what the system is.

Speaker 53 The Bills are systemless, right? And that has never been more evident than I think at this point in the season of the season right now.

Speaker 47 And it's funny because you brought it up with Dable.

Speaker 66 Josh Allen doesn't really run anymore.

Speaker 5 He's still, you know, a trusted option in down in close at the goal line, right?

Speaker 34 But he's running less than ever.

Speaker 71 And I feel like taking that out of the offense has hurt them a little bit.

Speaker 66 Like there are also, again, I thought they've had stretches this year where the offenses look great and very tough to defend with their tight end formations.

Speaker 5 Like Dalton Kincaid went out of this game, I believe, with a concussion.

Speaker 11 I'm sure that didn't help matters.

Speaker 26 But yeah, like, you know, take a look at their schedule because the Bills are a mysterious team.

Speaker 73 They got

Speaker 70 home against the Bucs at Houston, at Pittsburgh, home against Cincinnati, and then at New England, which is a huge, that could decide the division because the Patriots sweep you.

Speaker 5 You've got to finish a game ahead of them, and that's going to be very difficult.

Speaker 49 So, whatever it is, they got to find consistency.

Speaker 51 And they don't have to

Speaker 51 schedule too.

Speaker 27 Um,

Speaker 49 anything else from this game, Connor? Anything from the CBS telecast?

Speaker 73 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 53 So, this was like just to kind of just this perfectly encapsulates the weather in this game. I just wanted Justin to pull the halftime interview.
I think it was, was it A.J. Ross? Was that the signal?

Speaker 53 It was A.J.

Speaker 7 Ross with Sean McDermott, yeah.

Speaker 53 And just look at the complete destruction and like everybody's makeup and

Speaker 53 everything is just, there's just hair everywhere. And Sean McDermott's midlife crisis glasses are just covered in wetness.
And just, I don't know,

Speaker 88 this is a lot.

Speaker 95 Let's take a look at that.

Speaker 52 Coach, this low start for you all offensively over six times. What do you think?

Speaker 31 Oh, Jeffrey's a train wreck. Everybody looks like hell.

Speaker 4 We got to collect ourselves, start playing Buffalo Bills football.

Speaker 114 As far as defensively, obviously, injuries have been played.

Speaker 38 Buffalo Bills football.

Speaker 114 Has been your assessment of the guys' sexuality.

Speaker 59 I hate when they say that to you.

Speaker 4 Well, they're doing doing a good job. We just gotta

Speaker 4 recollect ourselves, reset ourselves, and we'll come out in the second half and play more physical at the line of scrimmage, tackle better,

Speaker 4 and play two-dimensional defense.

Speaker 97 You know, those, he is,

Speaker 13 he is one hoop earring away from the full midlife crisis.

Speaker 82 I know.

Speaker 52 Why do you pull for it?

Speaker 4 You, like, dad guys love to bring up the midlife crisis when it's, he's just, they're just functional glasses. Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 84 Mark, why would you be jumpy about midlife crisis?

Speaker 4 I mean, I hear about it all the time, but it's like,

Speaker 4 I get it, you're watching a lifetime movie seven times a week, but this guy just got new glasses.

Speaker 52 Like,

Speaker 4 what's the choose your own adventure?

Speaker 91 You're right.

Speaker 44 You're right.

Speaker 68 He's just reinventing himself with a sexier look at this stage of his life.

Speaker 66 And you wonder if he's using it.

Speaker 35 You know, is he going to the tavern, the anchor bar, and sitting in Devil's Perch and just, you know, probably has four kids.

Speaker 42 Scanning the room. You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 He's like,

Speaker 53 it's like the dad in Juno.

Speaker 47 ready to get out i love you mark

Speaker 88 all right let's take one more break

Speaker 44 let's take one more break yeah like my in fairness like to what mark's saying like big weekend uh my youngest is turned nine today um and uh congrats friday we went to like

Speaker 38 some unholy hellhole.

Speaker 34 It was, it's called like, it was like Charlie's like famous pizza or something like that.

Speaker 49 It was like the most insane place.

Speaker 58 It was like the

Speaker 62 wanna go to Chuck E.

Speaker 58 Cheese, but

Speaker 3 without the class, you go to this place.

Speaker 59 That's where I went on Friday night because that's where Harry wanted to go.

Speaker 19 And then yesterday it was,

Speaker 68 this is real dangerous, Mark.

Speaker 44 It was eight.

Speaker 70 eight nine-year-olds at Top Golf

Speaker 48 and trying to navigate that without anyone falling off the third floor into the netting or hitting, you know, hitting some hyperactive kid, hitting another kid in the forehead with a back swing of a high-profile.

Speaker 64 Where did a golf club go?

Speaker 5 You know, at one point, my elder son and his buddy just wandered off and like my wife and I just looked at each other and we're like, well,

Speaker 96 we'll see what happens there.

Speaker 35 We had to make a decision.

Speaker 88 It was just like, we'll see.

Speaker 73 Well, I hope he comes back. He did.

Speaker 52 He did.

Speaker 12 And a lot of 6-7 comments were made by the kids.

Speaker 13 And everybody had a gay old time.

Speaker 4 You're the one plugged into younger culture, not I. I don't know.

Speaker 98 Yeah, but to the point, like, not the children of the world.

Speaker 4 I also have children, by the way, but that's the difference.

Speaker 21 Do you have new glasses that you're going to debut?

Speaker 66 Was this a preemptive...

Speaker 52 Hold on, hold on. Yeah.

Speaker 53 Can I just defend my wording on that? Like, if you if

Speaker 53 you're just like a regular guy and all of a sudden you just walk in the door with those one day,

Speaker 53 you don't think like anybody's going to ask any questions in the house. Like it's just going to be like everything's going to be totally.

Speaker 102 The wife, of course, is going to want to wonder why you got these stylish, youthful glasses.

Speaker 4 Here would be my comment. He's not just a normal regular guy.
He's an NFL coach of the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 52 You know what I mean?

Speaker 53 But at some point,

Speaker 53 he had to pick out those glasses. And if I'm the wife,

Speaker 53 you just ask why, you know, why?

Speaker 47 He put them on, Mark, and he looked in the mirror at maybe Warby Parker or play, you know, we love Warby Parker.

Speaker 96 We do, they're great.

Speaker 34 And said, I look hotter now.

Speaker 59 And what's that about?

Speaker 4 Well, so why go to the gym? Why

Speaker 4 better your habits?

Speaker 51 Listen.

Speaker 101 Why, no, I mean, like, everything you're saying makes sense.

Speaker 4 Everyone's doing that, though, if they've got their act together, right?

Speaker 11 Listen, everything you're saying makes sense, Mark.

Speaker 98 And if you have a hoop earring, let it out.

Speaker 4 It's not about what I'm wearing. Like,

Speaker 4 plain

Speaker 4 as can be over here.

Speaker 52 All right, let's take a break and we'll finish it up.

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Speaker 5 Oh, let's get nasty in the NFC south.

Speaker 31 Wait, seriously?

Speaker 5 I complete this game.

Speaker 39 I totally missed today.

Speaker 52 Totally off my radar.

Speaker 4 Yes, it's serious.

Speaker 41 I know we're supposed to think the Panthers are good now, and now I look down and I see Saints 17,

Speaker 57 Panthers 7.

Speaker 53 Justin, what the f?

Speaker 52 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'll tell you what the f Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 51 That's what the f this guy balled out.

Speaker 63 He was really good today. I mean, really good, maybe a stretch.
But for a guy making his second NFL start, I thought he was pretty damn good. And the Panthers were all sorts of just out of sync.

Speaker 63 They couldn't really run the ball.

Speaker 63 It was, I don't even know what to tell you. Bryce Young,

Speaker 63 I don't think Bryce Young is the guy. Long term in Carolina.
Just way too many misses.

Speaker 63 Threw a horrible interception against zone coverage that he absolutely should have seen the underneath defender dropping out.

Speaker 63 And this game had the best example of ball don't lie that I've ever seen in a football game. Do you guys know this rule?

Speaker 63 If you kick a field goal and it gets blocked, but somehow the ball gets touched, like if it goes beyond the line of scrimmage somehow, despite the block, and it gets touched by the team who blocks it, the team who kicks it can recover the ball and maintain possession with a fresh set of downs.

Speaker 53 That did not seem right. Like, I saw the pool report on that, and I was like, I think you're making that up.

Speaker 55 Is that the Leon Lett play?

Speaker 63 Is that the Leon Lette play? The only Leon Lette play I know is that he dropped the ball before crossing the ball.

Speaker 76 No, there was a Thanksgiving field goal butchery that also happened in his career.

Speaker 54 But yeah, I might have that wrong.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 63 Well, anyway, I mean, I can see it making sense if, I mean, I can't really see it making sense. It's not a punt.
If you're kicking a field goal and you miss it,

Speaker 63 that's your fourth down. There's no, like, I don't understand how possession changes and then changes back to you, but whatever, regardless.

Speaker 34 Yeah, that is just, I did have that right, I think, because that's what happened in the Leon Lett game against the Dolphins. I think it was Thanksgiving, 93.

Speaker 54 The Cowboys blocked the game-ending field goal attempt from Miami, and then Leon Lett went to jump on the ball instead of just letting it.

Speaker 54 spin around and he booted it and it was recovered by Miami and then they were allowed to kick again.

Speaker 68 So that is something that can happen.

Speaker 91 Yeah. There you go.
Okay.

Speaker 52 So that just

Speaker 10 has three for you, Gravy, in a big spot.

Speaker 63 Hey, that was like maybe before I was born, maybe not. Maybe I was just like a toddler.
Anyway, Ookie, what year did you get?

Speaker 8 Anything else from this game?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 63 So this happened in this game. The Panthers line up for a field goal.
It gets blocked.

Speaker 63 It's like accidentally touched by Cameron Jordan, and the Panthers recover it, and they have a first and 10 from like almost the exact same line of scrimmage. Like that, the ball didn't really trend.

Speaker 63 It was so weird.

Speaker 63 And like two plays later, the Panthers try to run a reverse to rookie receiver Jimmy Horn, who clearly had no idea that he was supposed to be getting the ball on the reverse because he's just like running the sweep motion with no eye on the ball.

Speaker 63 And Bryce Young sticks it out and just like knocks it off his arms. And the Saints recover it.
And I was like, thank you. The Saints just blocked a field goal.
They should get the ball. And they did.

Speaker 63 A couple plays later. And then they go down and score a touchdown to make it 17-7.
There wasn't a lot of scoring in this game, but again, like my biggest takeaways are Tyler Schook.

Speaker 52 I want to see more.

Speaker 63 And Bryce Young, I don't know. I feel like I've seen enough.
I know Connor has been like a Bryce Young supporter, so I'm curious what he thinks of that. No? Shaking his head.

Speaker 52 No?

Speaker 53 What other things are you curious about, Justin, that you just want to maybe come out and say there's that word again?

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Well, just come out and say.

Speaker 63 You guys don't seem to like my curious nature, but I am just saying.

Speaker 14 No, I think what Connor's getting at is when you use that descriptor curious,

Speaker 4 you're you're kind of doing like windmill dunks on connor's takes no no no no because um i know i'm like genuinely on the titans podcast by the way

Speaker 63 i'm genuinely wondering if i'm like if i misjudge this game or if i'm like being too harsh or what like i'm i'm actually curious what your thoughts on this

Speaker 63 young season has been i don't know like throw for over 110 yards at least once you know i know he has but

Speaker 11 17 of 25 124 yards interception, and he had another interception wiped out by a roughing the passer penalty.

Speaker 23 That's a tough loss for the Panthers.

Speaker 103 A bad penalty, by the way.

Speaker 4 He's not even playing as well as he did at the end of last season. Like, I think it's like, where's the growth? I get what you're saying.
It's like

Speaker 4 we're not all buying tickets to watch this every week.

Speaker 20 It's just a terrible, terrible loss.

Speaker 68 I mean, just, I still can't believe when I just pulled it up and saw it because they were set up to get to six and four.

Speaker 15 They had Atlanta on deck, who they already shut out earlier, and they did all that momentum goes up in smoke.

Speaker 70 All right, let's move on.

Speaker 46 Oh, baby, it's the heat.

Speaker 51 It's Heat Bowl 8, Ceci

Speaker 101 to the Middle Ends.

Speaker 113 The New York Jets.

Speaker 4 Oh, baby.

Speaker 14 Hottest team in football

Speaker 115 In the last two weeks,

Speaker 113 they're tied. We're the freaking New York Jets, so we're built for this shit.

Speaker 78 New York gets a kick return

Speaker 68 for a touchdown.

Speaker 77 Then they get a punt return for a touchdown.

Speaker 32 And even though they were once again

Speaker 32 shackled by Justin Fields and a game plan and scheme that clearly

Speaker 32 tells the football viewer the OC and the head coach do not like the QB.

Speaker 32 They made enough plays in the end to beat the Cleveland Browns 27-20. That's two straight wins for the Jets after their 0-7 start.

Speaker 77 Their first win at home in five tries.

Speaker 32 And the Browns fall to 2-7.

Speaker 33 And,

Speaker 38 you know,

Speaker 35 five days after trading cornerback Sauce Gardner and defensive tackle Quinnen Williams, I thought that the

Speaker 23 Jets, and maybe they thought too, that it's tanking time.

Speaker 44 And I also think people are going to say, oh, look at the Jets doing Jets things.

Speaker 13 And they're going to blow the draft pick.

Speaker 72 I don't care.

Speaker 91 I don't care.

Speaker 98 I like Jets fans going to the Meadowlands on Sunday and finally getting to go home and go out to their cars after winning a football game.

Speaker 62 I like that there were some exciting plays that you got to watch.

Speaker 56 And while I don't want them to go 6-11 or some type of annoying record, banking a couple of wins and getting some good vibes and just in general,

Speaker 7 allowing Aaron Glenn and his staff to get their feet underneath them finally is a really good sign for an organization that has so much

Speaker 58 work to do.

Speaker 1 So beating the Browns who beat themselves in this game, Cese.

Speaker 5 I mean, the Browns, I know you've been pounding the table a little bit.

Speaker 20 You want the Browns to be seen as shitbirds at the level of the Jets and the Titans.

Speaker 75 And maybe they are.

Speaker 49 Maybe they are because given what the Jets just traded away to give up two special team scores and then at the end of this game with the Jets just trying to,

Speaker 20 you know, clearly

Speaker 5 aren't going to snap the football and the Cleveland jumps off sides to end the game. And it's just like, this is the hallmark of bad teams.

Speaker 13 And Kevin Stefansky, his butt continues to get hotter as well.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And if you're special teams coordinator Bubba Ventrone on the Browns, you are on monster.com right now because that was an outrageous

Speaker 4 start to this game. Outrageous, inexcusable.
And

Speaker 4 I thought the Jets showed much more on overall. The Browns defense still continues to play hard around Miles Garrett.
I see them care. This offense to me is

Speaker 4 And Dylan Gabriel was not terrible in this, but I just don't see an NFL quarterback. I just, there's no way you can project that to me as a long-term answer.

Speaker 4 And it's like the sixth week in a row where Kevin Stefansky is asked, like, would you consider, do you want to see Shador Sanders? Like, whether or not he's a lightning rod.

Speaker 4 Like, do we want to get out of this season knowing what we have? And there's something going on inside of that organization where he seems like a Manchurian candidate.

Speaker 4 He won't give any detailed answers. He seems joyless on the sideline.
And there are some good players on this team, but they're not playing up to who they are on any level.

Speaker 4 And I don't think they were the better team today. And I think the Jets put it to them down the stretch.
And it's like, I wasn't able to watch every second of this thing.

Speaker 4 But to start the game you ate the way you did and to fend off a couple of Cleveland players having big games. And I don't think Cleveland's defense did a whole lot in this either.

Speaker 4 It's like this team is collapsing. And I don't think Kevin Stefansky survives after this season.
I'm almost certain he does not.

Speaker 5 I'm surprised, Mark, that you locked up your Cleveland Browns in this game.

Speaker 4 I don't know what I was doing at this point. like because this could have gone either way with some weird fluky stuff but that was

Speaker 4 that was a classic like it's thursday we're almost off for the weekend like you know like let's go let's get a little spicy with our lock and then it's like what it's sunday and i i what a disaster by the way it's in a was talking about the blind locks manifesto never lock your own shitbird team like we we every time we do this i do it all the time justin does it a lot mark you've done it many times It usually does not work out

Speaker 95 for the best.

Speaker 54 And yeah, Kenney Nwangu had the 99-yard kickoff return.

Speaker 5 Moments later, after the Browns go off the field, after the Jets are punting the ball away, he takes it back 74 yards for a score.

Speaker 6 And then, Connor, the kind of turning point in this game, because I think the Jets had minus yards passing again at halftime in this game, and Cleveland's defense was playing up to par.

Speaker 70 But they bring the house with the game tied at 17.

Speaker 58 garrett wilson's out of the game he re-aggravated his knee injury and uh fields finally makes a play he takes a big shot but is able to dump the pass off to brees hall who uh catches it takes it into the end zone 42 yards and the jets never trailed uh from that point on And these games, like you said, I think you nailed it at the top.

Speaker 53 They needed to win this game. I think getting blown out in this game in particular, after you lose your two most important players, is a harbinger for a a bad remainder of the season to come.

Speaker 53 I think this is one of those things where Aaron Glenn can now point to successfully and say, see, at least I have very minimally a grasp on the emotional temperature of this locker room.

Speaker 53 And so I think that's important. And good on Brees Hall, man.
That guy wanted to leave more than anybody, and he's still playing hard.

Speaker 62 Yeah, he's playing his ass off.

Speaker 7 He's playing really well.

Speaker 68 I hope they keep him because it would be a mistake not to trade him and then he just walks as a free agent.

Speaker 76 He's one of those guys I would love to see him in the building.

Speaker 87 So there you go.

Speaker 80 They honored the late Nick Mengold with a pregame tribute before the game.

Speaker 34 So that was nice.

Speaker 10 And the Jets, the Jets get a win.

Speaker 24 They're second in a row.

Speaker 55 All right.

Speaker 92 Anything else from this game, Mark, that you wanted to add?

Speaker 4 Well, just congratulations.

Speaker 73 Oh, well, thanks, buddy.

Speaker 4 I am more detached than you are at this point from the team I follow. They are annoying me.
They've especially annoyed me today.

Speaker 54 I get it.

Speaker 51 It kind of makes it easier.

Speaker 47 Which, again, why did you lock them?

Speaker 34 Maybe you're so detached that you forgot that they're the Browns, but that's fine. It's all good.

Speaker 15 And to Connor's point,

Speaker 66 Jets are going to go to New England on Thursday without Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 23 They're going to get absolutely obliterated.

Speaker 5 So bank this win, bank back-to-back wins, and then have something positive on the ledger heading

Speaker 16 deeper into November. All right.

Speaker 76 I'm going to leave now.

Speaker 11 I've talked about the Jets winning.

Speaker 82 That was nice.

Speaker 23 I've hit all the other games.

Speaker 5 It's my son's birthday.

Speaker 97 He's nine.

Speaker 13 You don't get these years back.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 100 So I am going to leave, and we're going to go out.

Speaker 12 And my wife and I are going to take the boys out for some ice cream.

Speaker 52 That is well deserved.

Speaker 15 It's not dangerous, Mark.

Speaker 23 There's no bad boy behavior here, but it is the duty that I

Speaker 81 hold dear.

Speaker 23 So I am off.

Speaker 4 I think you're a noble parent. I think you're a good friend to all.

Speaker 64 So, um, go out and have that ice cream.

Speaker 87 I love your sons, I love your children, Connor.

Speaker 12 Justin, may you and Jessica create 14 children in your giant Dallas mini-mansion.

Speaker 34 And now, take it away, Sunday night football.

Speaker 34 Sunday night,

Speaker 4 a day that began about 22 hours ago in Berlin, crescendos in Los Angeles with the Chargers taking out a wanting Steelers team 25 to 10.

Speaker 4 The game ends with the biggest moment. Keenan Allen crowned with the most receptions in Chargers lore.
A joyful moment for them.

Speaker 4 But it began and continued on with, I thought Connor, a Jesse Minter special against an Aaron Rodgers-led team that didn't look like they were led by anyone this evening.

Speaker 53 There are some games, right, where it looks like, like I'm sure that there is planning and you go over plays and you practice and then just on Sunday, Aaron Rodgers just decides,

Speaker 53 I'm just going to draw it up on the palm of my hand and I'm going to throw the ball 35 times and I don't know where it's going to go. And this was one of those games where

Speaker 53 when he's not working, when this offense isn't working, it's the hardest watch in the NFL. And I say say that knowing that the Browns and the Jets played each other this week.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was, you could tell DK Metcalf was frustrated. Rodgers, by the end, was steamed.

Speaker 4 And it really was like, after some of the progress we've seen from their offense, like to watch him kind of spin backwards into a sack for a safety,

Speaker 4 the terrible interception he threw. And, you know, at one point, they're going forward on fourth down from the LA 10 with a chance to get back in the game, which is very rare for the the Steelers.

Speaker 4 And it's a pass to Metcalf, great coverage by Cam Hart, but they just could not find their way. They could not find their way.
And you felt the Chargers getting stronger and stronger.

Speaker 4 Minus any sort of hope from Pittsburgh's run game, pass game. And I guess it's like, I don't want to overreact, but it leaves you kind of just thinking, this is just...

Speaker 4 you know, the middle of the pack type of team. We've kind of been suspicious they are.
Do you feel like it really says much about where they're going?

Speaker 53 I just, I I feel it in my bones, right? It's just creeping up to nine and eight. And that's, I hate that that's where it's going because that's where we all thought it would go.

Speaker 53 And it felt so like wholly unoriginal.

Speaker 53 And you're trying to intellectualize it and galaxy brain it and say, well, if they, if they have an offense, if they can work on it, and if there's this cohesion, and if it looks like it did in Green Bay, it's just not going to happen.

Speaker 53 And I thought Chris Collins has made a good point tonight. Like, this team does lack things like a secondary wide receiver, which, like, then why would you get out of your multi-tight end sets?

Speaker 53 They lack those additional playmakers, but a lot of this is just not having a plan, not having an offense. It just doesn't look like anything.

Speaker 4 I mean, and that's on Arthur Smith to some degree, too. It doesn't feel like they're cooking up anything too special here.

Speaker 4 I mean, the Chargers, this was a rough watch in the first half for both teams on offense, but I thought they found a way minus their tackles to get their core pieces that are on the field, like a lad McConkey going.

Speaker 4 Kamani Vidal was, I just, he grew in power. I didn't realize he was the nephew of Hank Aaron.
That caught me by surprise, that message.

Speaker 4 They mentioned that on the broadcast. I was like,

Speaker 4 did I just hear that? Like, that kind of threw me.

Speaker 4 But it's like these pieces still exist. And like, Herbert, I mean, he'll just do stuff every game that in a rough environment too, where he finds a way to survive.

Speaker 4 And I, you know, they made some good points about the culture of Jim Harbaugh down the stretch, that he sort of said, we're just going to keep doing what we do, what we do, not flip the script and change everything.

Speaker 4 And I thought that was proven true by the end of the game. This Steelers defense has been hot and cold, but

Speaker 4 they've had their moments of late. And this just seemed more like a Steelers team to me than the actual Steelers.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 53 I mean, they're just a guaranteed, like they're a lock for an efficient game on the the ground for the most part.

Speaker 53 I think that now that McConkey's going, like you said, this offense is going to survive. And it's to the point now where I don't think it matters how many injured people are out.

Speaker 53 It reminds me a little bit of the AFC East, Mark, where it's like, are these teams that are in first place or close to first place building sort of an insurmountable lead?

Speaker 53 Like the Chiefs are out of the playoff picture right now. The Bills are struggling.
Like, is the Patriots' lead such? And is the Chargers' advantage?

Speaker 53 And I know they're not in first place in their division, but are they amassing enough wins at this point where they're just going to knock somebody, a more deserving team out of the playoffs because they're just not losing games?

Speaker 4 And they have that early opening game win against the Chiefs as well. And they're a game behind Denver and Denver's another team where I'm like...

Speaker 4 I see it and then I don't and then I do and then I don't. So it kind of comes down to how it goes, how these teams fare injury-wise, but also just what they plan to do.

Speaker 4 You know, I guess really inside their own divisional games. And then you've got Pittsburgh sitting at five and four now, and it feels so inevitable, and it's sort of an annoying storyline to me.

Speaker 4 But Baltimore at four and five, it's like, okay, they're just going to surpass Pittsburgh at some point. They play each other twice.
Like, is this just going to, it's just going to happen?

Speaker 53 Yeah. I mean, my curiosity is where the Steelers go from here.
And I know that they're banged up tonight. You had to move Jalen Ramsey back to corner.

Speaker 53 You had to pull kind of a lot of strings just to get this defense through

Speaker 53 the afternoon.

Speaker 53 But if they're that easily combustible right is this plan as foolproof as we thought it was and i i it was it's like a bit metaphorical but i think every game that mike tomlin has coached in for the last like 65 weeks now they've shown a slow motion uh like shot of him like glaring like angrily and for some reason i'm just like not intimidated by it anymore i used to be very intimidated.

Speaker 53 I told him that when we talked on the phone like last year, I was like, I just feel like I've always, I would be very intimidated by you if we were talking in person.

Speaker 53 But I feel like this just isn't doing it for me anymore. Like this Steelers team, like, isn't a Steelers team.
The mystique around it really isn't such.

Speaker 53 It's just like, all right, you know, you're just kind of a jobber that's going to show up and maybe you'll score 18 points and that's good enough.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it feels sort of preordained.

Speaker 4 Well, it's been a long Sunday. Connor, thank you for your service as always.
Justin, thank you. And we will be back Monday night with our Monday night extravaganza.
It should be a very good game.

Speaker 4 It's Philadelphia at Green Bay.

Speaker 4 We'll see you tomorrow night with all the rest of what to come.

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