2025 NFL Week 11 Recap: The Sunday I Turned Pretty

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Speaker 8 Oh, Ceci, we hoped that week 11 was going to be a great Sunday of football.

Speaker 12 It turned out to be even better.

Speaker 14 Best week of the season yet? I think it might have been.

Speaker 16 Ooh, you decide for yourself when we break down every game in the day that was.

Speaker 17 Time to Heed the Call.

Speaker 12 Hello, welcome to Heed the Call, an NFL podcast.

Speaker 19 The week 11 recap, the flagship show,

Speaker 20 often imitated.

Speaker 20 Never duplicated.

Speaker 15 Dan hands us here with Mark Zessler, Connor, or Justin Graver

Speaker 21 on the ones and twos.

Speaker 20 And man, do we have a lot to get to today, Mark?

Speaker 14 We do. I don't think you can imitate what we're about to do because it's a rich, dense, beautiful Sunday of football that I believe only the four of us can handle verbally.

Speaker 22 Well said.

Speaker 25 Connor, do you feel equally confident that on what was the best Sunday of the NFL season that we'll be ready to handle the opportunity and responsibility, quite frankly, that sits in front of us?

Speaker 23 Yeah, it really was like

Speaker 27 the best season, the best Sunday of NFL football so far. My wife always says everything's coming up, Connor, and everything has come up Connor today, including all of these games.

Speaker 28 So I'm ready.

Speaker 6 I like that.

Speaker 29 Your wife believes that.

Speaker 27 That's interesting.

Speaker 14 Not everything, Dan. We'll get to that.

Speaker 18 We will.

Speaker 30 Not everything.

Speaker 11 This is my final show taping from this beautiful

Speaker 32 subletted loft in New York City.

Speaker 31 So if you hear, you know, honking taxi cabs or, you know, you know, hey, I'm walking over here.

Speaker 2 Or, hey, how about a pizza?

Speaker 26 It's because I'm in the big apple.

Speaker 36 Remember that.

Speaker 37 Okay, cool. All right.

Speaker 14 When does this woman

Speaker 14 arrive home?

Speaker 38 No one knows. Okay.

Speaker 27 I did wonder when she was behind the fireplace at some point, just bricked in there, you know?

Speaker 14 Or come down it, sure. Yeah.

Speaker 34 Bricked in the fireplace?

Speaker 39 Yeah, like the thought was.

Speaker 14 Cask of a Monteado.

Speaker 27 Yeah, like maybe it's not. Yeah, Mark and I were reading Cask of a Monteado.

Speaker 27 We were talking about it the other day. So that got, that started rolling the idea.

Speaker 27 But then also, like, if it was sort of a, like a stage thing, like maybe she absconded and left another dead body in her place, like in a a closet somewhere. Like, have you checked all the doors?

Speaker 34 I mean, quite, I don't know, but I, I, quite frankly, uh, we, we could pivot the entire brand to remember when they did that podcast, Finding Richard Simmons,

Speaker 15 and he was just like in a house, it turned out, just retired, uh, like finding Claire Jacobson or whoever this woman is.

Speaker 45 I don't know.

Speaker 20 Anyway, we have way too much to get to.

Speaker 34 So we got to be focused. We're an NFL podcast covering week 11, the flagship show, and let's start where we must start.

Speaker 31 Sunday night football, a huge matchup of two Super Bowl hofuls.

Speaker 30 One looked a lot better than the other.

Speaker 47 Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 Listen to this.

Speaker 37 Wow.

Speaker 4 I don't know about this one, Justin, but

Speaker 49 it's saucy.

Speaker 18 The Detroit Lions headed to cold, windy,

Speaker 22 Philadelphia.

Speaker 53 Looking to make a statement, looking to solidify themselves as a favorite in the NFC or one of the favorites against the defending champions, but it was the Eagles that instead came out looking like they are ready to finally make a real run at defending this title.

Speaker 15 Final score, Eagles 16, Lions 9, a tour de force, quite frankly,

Speaker 2 by the Eagles on defense. Really all around.

Speaker 17 Let me get into it this way, Ceci.

Speaker 22 You had

Speaker 57 enough of that song justin thank you very much never again never again speaking of richard simmons yeah

Speaker 61 this went to the oldies uh you had you know jalen carter let me count the ways and how the eagles just dominated this game you had jalen carter carter jalen phillips and friends destroying the detroit pass protection making jared goff look like a prisoner in a saw film.

Speaker 45 You had Jalen Hurts making plays with his legs.

Speaker 65 You had Jordan Milata making Aiden Hutchinson disappear.

Speaker 30 You had had Quinyon Mitchell and Adore Jackson erasing Ama Ross St.

Speaker 61 Brown.

Speaker 20 You had Jake Elliott even perfect on the field goals and swirling wins.

Speaker 32 You had special teams snuffing out a fourth and short attempt.

Speaker 67 You had

Speaker 63 everything you could ask for

Speaker 8 from the Eagles, but especially the execution of the defense, which was just dominant against a high-power Lions offense.

Speaker 14 It was.

Speaker 14 It was kind of just a brand, like a beautiful ad sales for what the Eagles' defense has become. And they're better than somehow last year's defense.
And I mean,

Speaker 14 everything the Lions want to throw at you, which is we're going to, under Dan Campbell, aggressively go for it on fourth down and put that pressure on you.

Speaker 14 And we're going to be as aggressive and free-spirited as any offense in the league under Dan Campbell. And you shut them down five times, five times, five drives and in downs.
Six. That's wild.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's just like you took

Speaker 14 everything we know about Detroit and everything we know about Philadelphia's defense, and they clashed. And it was kind of a wild watch.

Speaker 14 And I just think like something about the way that the puzzle pieces of this defense right now fit together with Jordan Davis doing what he's doing.

Speaker 14 Michael Carter brought in at the trade deadline to be used on fourth down against Amon Ross and Brown in certain ways.

Speaker 14 And Jalen Phillips, who in two games over the course of one week, has been an utterly beautiful addition to the whole thing.

Speaker 14 So it's like they find a way to get people to just fit what they do under the Vic Fangio defense.

Speaker 14 And it isn't like this, their offense still has issues, but like when you've got this going on, you can neutralize and I think take the will and break the will and break the spirit of your opponent.

Speaker 14 And they broke the spirit of the Lions tonight on offense.

Speaker 27 Mark's totally right. And it's not, this isn't just an example of like defense winning games in like the banal sense.

Speaker 27 It's like they had that clip earlier in the game of Nicobe Dean following Jameer Gibbs out of the backfield and running with him stride for stride and just completely shutting a route down.

Speaker 27 And you're thinking like, okay, this is probably like their second or third most athletic linebacker, you know, at that position.

Speaker 27 They're going to be able to match up with anybody perpetually through the playoffs. It doesn't, again, it's like on any other team in the NFL, this offense is a problem.

Speaker 27 But in this, it's just sort of like a, almost like a Rex Ryan-esque secondary feature. It's like, this is just a tool to drain the clock and to turn it over to these guys who can do everything.

Speaker 27 It really is spectacular.

Speaker 35 And I don't know how much I put on

Speaker 10 Jared Goff when the whole operation had been cracked by Philadelphia and Fongio.

Speaker 64 But yeah, he clearly was rattled and beaten up by this game.

Speaker 8 I thought Collinsworth was all over it and underlined it over and over again, like how difficult it was for the Lions to get into their offense because they could not give Jared Goff enough time to wait that extra beat to let his receiver get into his the full flight of his route to hit the timing patterns and quite frankly in in less than pleasant conditions for a dome quarterback Jared Goff did nothing in this game to also

Speaker 31 you know disavow thoughts about what he could be like in a spot like this in the playoffs like if you're a Lions fan you're like shoot we're

Speaker 76 You know, we're six and four, like, which is great.

Speaker 8 A lot of teams would love to be six and four, but we're not in first place in our division.

Speaker 26 Um, this is all coming a lot harder to us.

Speaker 15 And you look across the way against Philadelphia, they're eight and two.

Speaker 8 They have hardly played their best football as a collective unit.

Speaker 65 But this defense, and again, Collinsworth, I thought, was hitting it hard and well with this,

Speaker 31 Mark, that they heat up when the weather gets colder, when the pieces fall into place.

Speaker 45 And they have a chance, I think, to really

Speaker 30 go on a big run here.

Speaker 10 I would be very, very nervous in the NFC by what I watched tonight in Philadelphia.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they keep passing tests because, like, I get that we're a little,

Speaker 14 we could question the Packers whole situation, but like, that was just six days ago or whatever. And now you've done it to the Lions.
So they keep passing tests.

Speaker 14 And I thought tonight what they showed off,

Speaker 14 which is not celebrated in today's league,

Speaker 14 was total brutality. They brutalized Jared Goff.

Speaker 14 And there was one play where, you know, Jalen, Jalen Jalen Phillips and another defender just essentially would have like black dallied him if he'd have been in a different situation.

Speaker 14 Like it was a rough, rough hit.

Speaker 6 Wikipedia in that, folks.

Speaker 14 Exactly. But it's just,

Speaker 14 you know, I think that like they play a certain way. And like, I trust them to win in any, in any weather condition, in any stadium.

Speaker 14 And like, it's not that I don't want the Lions, but you're kind of left just with questions about the quarterback on down.

Speaker 14 I like, I think Goff has been a celebrated, accurate, wonderful player, but then you put him in these conditions and you're just kind of left with some question marks.

Speaker 61 Sese, 14 for 37.

Speaker 38 Right.

Speaker 11 Goff was today.

Speaker 24 Connor, that was,

Speaker 10 it was, it was, you could tell, you know, that, that he just had to look like, man, this, I cannot wait to get in the hot tub after this one or just to disappear for about three straight days if I can.

Speaker 27 You do wonder a little bit about, I mean, we celebrate, we talked about this on the Thursday show, right?

Speaker 27 Like we celebrated Dan Campbell taking over play calling, but it was in a very advantageous situation against an opponent that was better suited for a coach just taking over play calling duty.

Speaker 27 You do wonder if like another play caller or if he was back with Ben Johnson would have put him back there like 37 times versus only having 21 total rushing attempts, 12 for Jameer Gibbs and six for Montgomery.

Speaker 27 I mean, the northeast weather, we talked, we're going to talk about it in the Giants game, is brutal. Like, there's shit blowing around in my house right now.

Speaker 27 It sounds like there's like ghosts outside. And so that's the entire,

Speaker 27 that's the entirety of that game. Do you really want your quarterback dropping back 40 times in that? I don't know.

Speaker 11 Can I, I just, I do need to say this before we go to break, but when the Lions punted with 5'10 in the fourth quarter, it almost felt like the white flag being sent up by Dan Campbell, which is unthinkable

Speaker 8 if you know this coach and his mindset and who the Lions have been for years under his leadership,

Speaker 65 but then it led to, man, one of these days,

Speaker 32 one of these days, I tell you, Nick Siriani won't get away with doing dumb shit.

Speaker 34 I mean, that was, he did it last week when they tried to take, he tried to take out, take, try to take it out and show it to everybody and went deep to A.J.

Speaker 28 Brown and left them open and vulnerable and they got away with it. This one was, I don't care, and I'm sure Connor will, but it's

Speaker 19 indefensible knowing what your defense has done all day.

Speaker 76 You're fourth and one from your own 30.

Speaker 79 There's no chance these Lions can score twice, but anybody can score once.

Speaker 39 They go for it. They get stuffed.
Lions have three timeouts. Three timeouts.

Speaker 80 They get the ball back.

Speaker 20 They barely move the ball.

Speaker 19 They might even move backwards, but they hit the field goal to get it down to a score.

Speaker 30 And then they get the stop.

Speaker 21 And then this is the Siriani.

Speaker 19 I know his last name name ends in a vowel, but this guy's Irish because he is lucky as hell. They call a phantom PI on Rocky Sin that ends the game.

Speaker 39 When instead, it should have been clock stopped, 145 to play, ball going back to the Detroit Lions with a chance impossibly to tie the game.

Speaker 19 So do I think that Lions offense was going to go down the field and score?

Speaker 81 Probably not.

Speaker 78 But would they have had a chance?

Speaker 15 Of course they would have had a chance.

Speaker 34 And Siriani again gets away with one. Ah, you can come after me if if you want, but that is absolutely the truth.

Speaker 18 Lucky

Speaker 39 this, this Eagles roster is idiot proof and he's the proof of that.

Speaker 14 You are, you are, we all agreed about that. That was a crazy call.
And I, and I'm always kind of tough on Chris Collinsworth.

Speaker 14 And I think it's by the time you get to Sunday Night Football when you've been watching, you know, if you started in Spain or wherever, and it's like it was 14 hours ago that I don't need Chris Collinsworth telling me anything by the time you get to the night.

Speaker 14 But he was

Speaker 2 awesome tonight, He was.

Speaker 14 I agree. He came down hard on that particular moment in the game, and he was absolutely right.

Speaker 27 I think many of my Irish ancestors would disagree with your description that we're all incredibly lucky. But outside of that,

Speaker 27 I totally agree that this is one of those, and they're lucky, I think, that it didn't happen to Philly in a big spot, but this is still a watershed moment for officiating.

Speaker 27 We get about four or five of these a year that really drive change and possible legislation stuff in the offseason. And this is one of those that's going to be shown time and time again.

Speaker 27 I have no idea why this guy didn't swallow his whistle. This was like Hero Ball officiating at its absolute worst.
And I have no idea why this guy wanted to step in and make that call.

Speaker 27 It's ridiculous.

Speaker 30 One of these days.

Speaker 8 One of these days.

Speaker 14 You'll be right at some point.

Speaker 45 All right, that's just the first game in a whole bunch of interesting, fun games on this Sunday.

Speaker 20 So stay right there and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 90 Hey, Mark, the way to a woman's heart?

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Speaker 15 All right, we are back.

Speaker 20 Sunday night football in the rearview mirror, but we're just getting going.

Speaker 34 We're now going to dig into the rest of this splendid week 11 in the National Football League.

Speaker 18 And Conman, I don't know about you, but I feel like because this was such a wonderful week of football, there might be a little more pressure than usual on the shoulders of one Mark Edward Sessler.

Speaker 27 I think so, too. And maybe just generally to move away from your beloved grandfather, Poppy, who has been the subject of like three of the last five weeks.

Speaker 14 I don't think that's accurate, but fair.

Speaker 39 It seems pretty close.

Speaker 6 It seems pretty close.

Speaker 14 I care about your grandfather.

Speaker 106 And that's rest in peace, Poppy.

Speaker 11 And I appreciate that, but I'm kind of with Conman on this.

Speaker 28 All right. All right.
Without further ado,

Speaker 16 the week 11 theme of the week is.

Speaker 14 Okay. It's a little bit of a callback to a discussion we've had.

Speaker 14 It is the Sunday I Turned Pretty.

Speaker 37 Ooh.

Speaker 77 Okay.

Speaker 76 I like this.

Speaker 34 This is Mark using a little pop culture, a popular streaming program.

Speaker 45 And this is when I would think Connor, my guess on this one, I think I have this one

Speaker 107 when the 2025 regular season kind of hit full flight on this particular week.

Speaker 27 No doubt. It could also just be a subtle reference to Mark himself, who looks straight up hot today.

Speaker 6 I mean, that's the combo.

Speaker 27 yeah, it's it's it really is something too self-referential, but also big about the sport.

Speaker 34 A bigger than usual week on the gram of Mark posting like 12 photos of himself at various

Speaker 31 stages of his life.

Speaker 79 So, yeah, this is a very staring in the staring in the mirror, kissing the reflection, a rod style.

Speaker 84 Um, I like this, let's uh, and I know where to go with it because yes, this this week, yes, the season was, it was beautiful, it was pretty, and while some of the play between the Seahawks and Rams wasn't always pretty, especially by one of the quarterbacks, this was one of many great games we're going to dig into right now.

Speaker 32 Yes, the Seahawks and Rams, both 7-2, both

Speaker 51 with designs on winning the NFC West, claiming the top seed in the NFC, and taking the short path to Super Bowl 60.

Speaker 51 And Sam Darnold, he had a chance for some redemption after a very ugly ending with the Vikings to the 2024 season when the Rams defense stifled him. Well, guess what? It happened again.

Speaker 51 Darnold goes 29 of 44 for 279 yards, but with four interceptions, no touchdowns. It's the Los Angeles defense that plays star in a 21-19 win for the home team, a game that ends

Speaker 9 with Seattle kicker Jason Myers

Speaker 62 short and wide right on a 60-plus yard attempt that would have decided the game.

Speaker 74 But it is the Rams who escape in that case.

Speaker 63 And I guess we'll start there, Connor, because...

Speaker 109 Say what you will, and Darnold was miserable, and we could talk about that because we need to talk about that.

Speaker 62 But Seattle came within, you know, if they had an extra 30 seconds on the clock of maybe even stealing this game, which would have been outrageous because it felt like the Rams did everything they needed to do to win.

Speaker 27 I think that's my highest compliment that you can give to Mike McDonald.

Speaker 27 And this is what I always said about the mid-era Belichick teams where always they had one more possession left and they always had three timeouts and they always had a chance to win the game.

Speaker 27 And even down to the fact that they get their you know what together in enough time where they have five seconds left in that game. And then they run another passing play.

Speaker 27 And Rashid Shahid, who had gotten there, what, seven days ago, knows enough to get the ball right where he needs to, get down, call the timeout with, I mean,

Speaker 27 generously, probably like 0.002 seconds left on the clock, right? And to get them that field goal chance.

Speaker 27 It's one of those perfect games where it ended the way that I hoped it did, where I still think both of these teams are going to go very deep in the NFC playoffs.

Speaker 27 I think they're both going to be awesome. And, you know, Darnold just had one one of his bad Darnold days, which happened.

Speaker 14 It just like it leaves you with a weird feeling because

Speaker 14 over the past couple of outings, Darnold has been turnover prone.

Speaker 14 And so you kind of wonder what you're going to get from him when it matters most. Because other than these past couple of games, he's been sensational and really fits in that offense.

Speaker 14 But at the same time, like from a more positive outlook, you can look at the Seattle and say, your quarterback threw four interceptions.

Speaker 14 The rest of your offense played pretty well. Your defense played pretty well.
And you almost beat what might be the best team in football despite all the mistakes.

Speaker 14 So it's like, I kind of come out of it optimistic more than fatalistic, but I do, I do, it does. This Rams defense has found a way to solve Darnold multiple games in a row.

Speaker 14 I think that's just sort of an outlier concern about the future of the season.

Speaker 92 Well, in different ways, too.

Speaker 45 Because if you remember, in the wild card loss for the Vikings, they dialed up an insane amount of pressure.

Speaker 41 And there was rightfully some criticisms after the game about how the Vikings season ended and the nature of the play calling and how it didn't seem to adapt to the type of defenses they were playing.

Speaker 43 In this case, so you could share the blame if you wanted to.

Speaker 32 Not that Darnold was trying to pass the blame, but you could. This game, I thought, yes, the pass rush did a nice job making him uncomfortable, but they didn't dominate the game in the same way.

Speaker 62 Darnold just made a lot of forced throws and poor timing, didn't see guys.

Speaker 80 And I think it is fair to say, and I'm the biggest Darnold fan that's talking on any show that you're going to listen to coming out of week 11.

Speaker 32 But when the thing, when the ball starts rolling, I said this is a Jets fan too, sometimes you could kind of see it.

Speaker 61 I think it is a thing that you have to be aware of to the point almost where I said to myself, I know he's not going to do it, but would McDonald ever take Darnold out of the game in the second half just to kind of calm things down if he felt like that might give the team a better chance.

Speaker 65 Obviously, he didn't.

Speaker 84 They almost steal the game anyway.

Speaker 75 They don't. I agree.

Speaker 20 Seattle will be okay.

Speaker 102 After the game,

Speaker 11 Sean McVay had a lot of praise for his defense and the pass rush that maybe didn't fill up the box score, but who cares about box scores, Sean McVay says?

Speaker 116 Oh, they were effective.

Speaker 117 And that's why I say stats are for losers because they affected and influenced the game in a huge way. Obviously, Sam is a great quarterback, but he was getting off of his spot.

Speaker 117 I thought a lot of the pressure pressure that we did get is what led to some of the decisions where our guys ended up making some great plays to be able to get those four interceptions throughout the course of the day.

Speaker 117 Really proud of that group.

Speaker 32 Yeah, I mean, just great, great performance by the defense overall. Jordan, our buddy Jordan, had a great stat.

Speaker 56 Both defenses were excellent in this game, Connor.

Speaker 40 Can you fly that up, Justin?

Speaker 43 Seahawks D, as I noted last week, not me, Jordan, perfectly built and schemed to force Rams out of 13 personnel.

Speaker 42 Mark, 13 personnel, and also limited to just 17% success rate back to 64%, 11 personnel with limited numbers.

Speaker 106 The Ram defense held most explosive pass offense in NFL to one completion of 20 plus air yards plus four interceptions, Gonnie.

Speaker 27 It really was. And you could tell in some of the little moments where even like in a goal line stand, for example, like Seattle almost had two consecutive goal line stands to start this game.

Speaker 27 And then it wasn't until the Rams actually took their big personnel off the field and they took their three wide receiver set and put it on the field.

Speaker 27 But then in the gotcha moment, they ran out of that personnel set when they were throwing out of the bigger personnel set.

Speaker 27 That was the kind of the big tomfoolery that they needed to score that first touchdown. But even in all those moments, you can tell how next level Mike McDonald is because it's like a penalty kick.

Speaker 27 When teams are running that close to the end zone, you're guessing basically, but it's an analytic base guess.

Speaker 27 And every time his defensive line surged right to where the Rams are running the ball, And you just thought to yourself, like, man, this guy is so on it.

Speaker 27 And it's going to take something like what Darnold did to knock him off his spot. But again, I mean, let's think about the totality of this.
Four picks against this Rams defense.

Speaker 27 And you still were in it at the end. And I don't know.
This makes me just, I don't know, doubles down on my belief that the Seahawks are maybe the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 115 They held Stafford to 130 yards passing.

Speaker 84 This was the hottest quarterback on planet Earth. And

Speaker 32 I believe McVay Mark said during his post-game presser, he noted, we ran three plays in the second quarter.

Speaker 84 Like Seattle did a lot of things right in this game.

Speaker 35 They just had a quarterback that kept on putting them in a hole with the turnovers.

Speaker 14 I'm really glad that it came down to the very end because I think we went into this week 11 thinking that this game had a level of fascination to it that you don't often find

Speaker 14 between certain teams. But it's such a divisional game because you can tell that these coaches obsessively study each other.
And it showed today. I mean, you're right.
They overcame the mistakes.

Speaker 14 And I wonder,

Speaker 14 and this is a talk for another time at some point, but if we go deep throwback NFL and Chris Schula winds up as the next Schula to become a head coach at some point, I mean, he's been a little under the radar as a coordinator, but it's like what they're doing and what they've done each week is incredible.

Speaker 14 And it's like, we don't know where this journey leads again, but you know, these two are going to clash once more.

Speaker 44 Isn't that what happens in this league? Like there's this dynasty, this McVeigh dynasty of coaching tree.

Speaker 20 It's what the Bill Walsh tree used to be, or the Parcells or the Belichick tree.

Speaker 113 Now it's, it's the McVeigh tree.

Speaker 65 It's the Shanahan tree.

Speaker 41 And now McDonald's building something.

Speaker 106 You know, Zumwalt, our buddy, Cardinals fan, another tough day for the Cardinals.

Speaker 32 We were texting because he was raging out a little bit.

Speaker 43 And it was like, man, you're also, the Cardinals are an operation that has issues, but this division, man, when you factor in, it's got McVay, Shanahan, and now McDonald's has instilled a program up there that's fear, you know, brings fear to other teams.

Speaker 68 Woo!

Speaker 97 NFC West is hot, baby.

Speaker 41 Great game.

Speaker 81 Fun game.

Speaker 123 Any other thoughts, Connor?

Speaker 27 Ernest Jones from the Seahawks, I think, closed it out with a worthwhile thought, I guess, and that Sam has been balling.

Speaker 27 If we're trying to define Sam by this game, Sam has kept us in every fing game. There are plays we could have made defensively and plays that we could have gotten stops on.

Speaker 27 This was like a big rally around Sam post-game. And so I don't think the cracks are showing in the facade at all here.

Speaker 14 Yeah, like let's not overreact to it.

Speaker 4 I love it.

Speaker 9 I think it's okay to be a little bit nervous though if i'm a seahawks well

Speaker 32 yeah that that was a huge game and a big spot and he he melted down just like he did at the end of the previous season which is what you were a little worried about when you brought him in in the first place it's okay to be like shit that was terrible and it's great that they're supporting him but i don't think it's like being underreactive to to say you know okay let's keep an eye on this because he had it in his eyes again a little bit in the eyes

Speaker 14 you've seen those eyes before stats are for losers

Speaker 109 he's he was seeing ghosts a little bit connor i guess i i'll underline it he was seeing some ghosts come on just a little bit poor guy a little bit

Speaker 27 how good do you have to be that people stop giving a shit about your one or two bad games of the year like josh allen has had what five three interception games and what 20 some multi-interception games well it's the dna of darnold though it's like you're just wondering with these reclamation projects, like, are we going back to the narrative?

Speaker 104 Yeah, the narrative around his career that until he has that big moment, I would imagine in January, perhaps.

Speaker 106 And maybe it happens this year because I'm with you guys.

Speaker 45 I believe in that man as much as anyone.

Speaker 44 But that was a tough, tough Sunday in Los Angeles.

Speaker 35 All right, let's move to the AFC, a massive game with big implications at Mile High Stadium.

Speaker 33 Infesco Field at Mile High?

Speaker 51 Enough.

Speaker 112 Corporations, man.

Speaker 17 They are the death of America, but they keep us going as well.

Speaker 124 Capitalism. All right.

Speaker 51 Conflicting thoughts.

Speaker 51 The Denver Broncos

Speaker 11 are the team of HTC.

Speaker 29 Why?

Speaker 51 Because they're all grit, baby.

Speaker 67 They find a way.

Speaker 51 They always do. They won their eighth straight game,

Speaker 51 being the latest team to hand a one-score loss to the Chiefs, 22-19. This one ends on a Will Lutz field goal as time expired.
Lutz's fifth kick conversion of the day.

Speaker 51 And

Speaker 51 the Broncos all but bury

Speaker 51 the Chiefs and the AFC West.

Speaker 62 The Chiefs are 5-5.

Speaker 21 The Chiefs, Justin Graver, who watched this game, we all watched it, but Justin's the lead dog on this one.

Speaker 108 Justin, like

Speaker 54 they have another meeting coming up in December,

Speaker 78 but you've now opened up such a big

Speaker 25 lead in the division, it feels like it's gone for the Chiefs before we get to Thanksgiving.

Speaker 108 And beyond that, The Kansas City Chiefs are now 0-5 in one score games this year after being historically great last year.

Speaker 113 I didn't think any of us thought that they would sustain that, but the sheer number of times now we've seen this team in big spots not get the job done continues to be a surreal watch to me.

Speaker 123 And we saw it both in the last Kansas City possession with Mahomes and then the defense not getting the stop at the end.

Speaker 127 And a lot of people think winning one-score games can be a skill.

Speaker 127 And then a lot of people think it's one of those reasons why you point at certain teams in the offseason and say they're going to regress. Because look at all the one-score games they won.

Speaker 127 And Jim Nance pointed out on the broadcast, and I was thinking about it too, as this game was winding down and the Broncos were getting ready to kick that game-winning field goal, was the Chiefs extended their undefeated season last year on an insane play where they blocked a Broncos

Speaker 127 go-ahead game-winning field goal. And, you know, it's those little plays, you know, the little things that can swing the entire outcome of a game when you make that big play in that big moment.

Speaker 127 And if you don't, I don't, I mean, do you call it get lucky in that moment? Do you call it stepping up in that big moment? If you don't do it, you're not going to come out with the win.

Speaker 127 And the Chiefs haven't had those big time moments this year where they just step up when it matters the most.

Speaker 14 And we've talked about the fact that if you're any other team in the West, you've got to learn like locker room-wide how to psychologically. tussle and beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 14 And the one thing that's been consistent with Sean Payton's Broncos, and of course we know they've had a good defense the whole time he's been there, but they have kept Kansas City at bay on offense, and it happened again today.

Speaker 14 And I thought the other thing I would just say is that coming off a week where there were a lot of think pieces and negative thoughts about Bo Nicks, he made some money throws down the stretch here.

Speaker 14 That throw to Cordon Sutland, the 48-yard shot to Troy Franklin. It's like he did what he needed to do on his side of the ball to get them in position to take out the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 27 Vance Joseph was awesome on third down today, too. And I mean, I know he's the coach, but like the coverage on the back end was really sticky.

Speaker 27 And then you would just, maybe you'd send your corners, maybe you'd send somebody from the secondary.

Speaker 27 But if you go back historically, he has been lights out against Mahomes every time he's faced him head to head.

Speaker 27 It's like less than one touchdown a game, over one interception per game, three plus sacks per game. Like Vance Joseph has this guy figured out.

Speaker 27 And I wonder just broad, more broadly, like, I mean, as we're looking at this team, they have like a 50% chance of making the playoffs.

Speaker 27 Is this like the domino effect of like a division division finally just hiring a bunch of good coaches around them?

Speaker 27 And this is something that never happened to the Patriots until Sean McDermott got there?

Speaker 27 And, you know, what that's like and how significant it is that it happened a little bit sooner into their dynasty.

Speaker 43 I'm open to that.

Speaker 78 This is the first game where I'm open to it because there were a couple of times in the fourth quarter of this game, and it was a great game.

Speaker 32 It went back and forth.

Speaker 35 It was tight the whole time.

Speaker 75 Where it's like, okay, this is the moment where Mahomes goes on a cold-blooded drive down the field and

Speaker 65 they steal a game and break Denver's hearts like they've been doing forever over this incredible run.

Speaker 50 And it was fitting that, you know, it was a third, I think it was the third down play

Speaker 62 on the last Chiefs' offensive possession where it ends with a sack.

Speaker 75 And it was a blitzer that comes free.

Speaker 62 He gets to Mahomes, knocks him down.

Speaker 32 Mahomes jumps up.

Speaker 91 He's motioning to the official like, he hit me in the head.

Speaker 126 He hit me in the head.

Speaker 95 And it's like, no, Pat, that is not this season.

Speaker 41 This season is different than those seasons, and this season, you're not getting that call. So, it just feels like the Mojo is off in this game.

Speaker 32 The Denver Broncos did not have Patrick Sortain in this game, and they still were able to lock up this team.

Speaker 79 They made Rashi Rice disappear in the second half, which was a big deal.

Speaker 91 Um, you just gotta, what a great effort.

Speaker 84 And uh, after the game, um, Bo Nick spoke with Tracy Wolfson of CBS, and uh, he appreciated because I don't like when when a Wolfson type asks like what did this game mean and then like a Josh Allen or something be like hey just one win like no it meant something this is an important game and he spoke on that it was huge I mean this was a must win going into the bye week they have a really good team

Speaker 129 and you know we hats off to them they played us really well we knew it was going to be a tough game we knew we were going to have to play really well especially down the stretch and Lutz is just getting good at those game winners

Speaker 127 I think honestly Dan you mentioned the blitz that got Mahomes down at the end.

Speaker 127 Jaquan McMillan, cornerback, who I think is playing for Pat Sertan, if I'm not mistaken, he only blitzed twice in this game. He had sacks on both of his blitzes, including that one.

Speaker 127 And I think what I honestly believe the difference in this game is that Bo Nicks outplayed Patrick Mahomes. And I never thought I would say those words in my life.

Speaker 127 And Nicks has had a pretty up and down season overall, but I thought Mahomes was not great in this game.

Speaker 127 I mean, he really only completed one good, big downfield pass, and it was a great throw, but he missed on a number of other downfield passes where he had guys open.

Speaker 127 He got bailed out by what I thought was a pretty weak pass interference flag on one. I just think they should take this rule out of football.

Speaker 127 If you under throw a receiver by like more than five yards and the defensive back runs into the receiver coming back to the ball because you made a horrible throw, that shouldn't, you shouldn't get yards for that, but whatever.

Speaker 127 Different discussion. I just thought Nick's, like you said, Mark, time and again, he hit Sutton on that final drive.
He hit Franklin a number of times. He hit Pat Bryant down the field.

Speaker 127 Like he was creating explosive plays with his arm, and that was the difference in this game.

Speaker 27 Let's talk Chiefs and penalties for one more second because I thought it was interesting, and I looked up the per-game stats.

Speaker 27 And so last year, the Chiefs were penalized 10 times or more in a game one time. This year already, and this is what, we're 11 weeks into the season, this is their third game of 10 or more penalties.

Speaker 27 They had 13 in the season opener against in Brazil, if you remember that, and then 10, twice more, 10 today, and big holding penalties in the red zone that are being called against the Chiefs in this game.

Speaker 27 And so, like, I'm not saying that this is like the dismantling of some deep state conspiracy, but I'm saying like it really does suck to have to get called for penalties like everybody else.

Speaker 27 And now they're finding that out.

Speaker 44 I just, yeah, I went into this.

Speaker 130 We talked about it in the Thursday show.

Speaker 74 This is a Chiefs game. The Chiefs are going to win.

Speaker 72 They're going to find a way.

Speaker 97 And it's like, this is the, they needed this game and they did need this game, and they didn't get it.

Speaker 43 And now I think they're sitting ninth in the AFC playoff picture.

Speaker 62 And it's going to be now a dogfight to just make the playoffs because they can't win close games, 0-5 in close games.

Speaker 32 And I think it's all of us have to start being aware that this is a different season, including Tony Romo.

Speaker 131 I don't want to pile on Tony Romo every week.

Speaker 37 I don't.

Speaker 49 I don't.

Speaker 16 Tony's doing his good. He's doing his best.

Speaker 69 I thought actually in the last possession, him and Nance were pretty locked in, and he kind of saw the game well.

Speaker 45 They set it up well.

Speaker 62 But at one point, this was late in the first quarter, and what was already shaping up to be a bit of a stalemate, you know, offensive stalemate.

Speaker 106 Romo just defaulted into like Patrick Mahomes' default.

Speaker 83 Um,

Speaker 32 you know, Patrick Mahomes is a sorcerer stuff.

Speaker 16 And it's just like, take a deep breath and realize maybe this isn't the same.

Speaker 86 Listen to this.

Speaker 132 I'm going to tell you early in games,

Speaker 132 I just see certain things that kind of flash.

Speaker 132 Kansas city is going to be aggressive and mahomes you see and feel his sense of urgency not just throughout the week with his communication but the way he's playing right now jim watch out he's

Speaker 14 looks to me like he might be in the zone today i mean damn you know this has been on on my radar for like like eight years but he's got a deeply ingrained um unalterable mahomes fetish and you can't just shake it off in two weeks like the rest of us.

Speaker 14 It is ingrained.

Speaker 127 This was halfway through the first quarter after Mahomes had missed those two downfield receivers, like went three and out because he missed two wide open receivers.

Speaker 95 That's what I mean.

Speaker 105 That's what I mean. I'm like, why is he saying this right now?

Speaker 36 And like to the Marchand write-up last week, it's like you could tell after that, if we would have played a little longer, what is Nance supposed to do with that?

Speaker 105 Like, what is that analysis?

Speaker 25 Like, he just has that look in his eyes.

Speaker 95 Like, all right, buddy. Right.

Speaker 14 It's unrewarding for Nance.

Speaker 127 I would agree. So, do you guys think the Broncos have this division locked up?

Speaker 21 Yeah, you know why? Because

Speaker 71 they're going into their buy at 9-2.

Speaker 21 They are four wins ahead of the Chiefs, two wins ahead of the Chargers, who we'll get to.

Speaker 113 And they just now

Speaker 84 go Romo.

Speaker 126 They just got that look. Like, they know how to close out games.

Speaker 106 They pass every test.

Speaker 49 Every test they pass.

Speaker 59 And there are only two Eagles

Speaker 118 earlier this week.

Speaker 80 Yeah, you could point to their wins and the fluky or the ugly nature of some of them, but you could also look at their losses and be like, these f ⁇ ers could be 11-0 right now.

Speaker 14 They're built to win this division. That's how they work.

Speaker 29 That's a big win.

Speaker 99 That's a big win.

Speaker 21 Even if the Chiefs maybe aren't the Chiefs anymore.

Speaker 127 It's a big win for me because I have a ticket.

Speaker 95 for Broncos to win the AFC West.

Speaker 7 And I always say, don't count your tickets.

Speaker 127 Don't count your tickets before they cash. But, hey, this one is looking pretty good for me right now.

Speaker 14 Is this another $10 ticket? Like, what does this do for you financially at this

Speaker 14 point?

Speaker 6 It's called the Green Man.

Speaker 127 It's a three-to-one payout. So what it does is it pardons me for three other tickets that are probably

Speaker 95 losers.

Speaker 27 Very quickly.

Speaker 14 Well, enjoy the free lunch that you buy off of that if you

Speaker 1 McDonald's.

Speaker 27 On the romance front, I do wonder if there's a conspiracy because you did note that

Speaker 27 Marshan was using like childlike words to describe Tony Romo in his report.

Speaker 27 And then Jim Nance, after the field goal block in this game, just casually happened to mention that the blocker on the Broncos was 6'7.

Speaker 27 And then I feel like he laid that up for Tony to say something stupid. He's like, go ahead and say it.
I dare you to say it.

Speaker 27 And then there's just four seconds of painful silence on the other end while you can tell he's gasping for life to not make a 6'7 joke. And then they just move on to the next thing.

Speaker 27 And I was like, I bet Nance just laid that out there to be like, let me see how dumb you are right now. And I'm going to see if you fall into my little rat trap.

Speaker 14 These are the things that make Connor's Sundays. And

Speaker 14 I'm here for it.

Speaker 26 But just to put a bow on it, were you disappointed that he didn't do it?

Speaker 74 Or were you proud of him that he was able to refrain?

Speaker 27 I mean, my wife says, like,

Speaker 27 I'll never let like an Inuit, like a Michael Scott, like, I'm never going to let it. That's what she said go.

Speaker 27 And it's painful and it probably has harmed the relationship more times than it's helped it, but that's who I am.

Speaker 27 And so I feel bad when someone like Romo has been shamed to the point where he's just got to sit on his own hands. But this is how it goes.

Speaker 26 Congratulations to the Denver Broncos, the team of Heed the Call.

Speaker 95 Right, guys?

Speaker 37 Right?

Speaker 1 I mean, why don't I mean

Speaker 14 they destroyed my childhood, so I'm not, it's a little bit of a stretch for me, but

Speaker 21 I'm just saying, like, how many years have we tried to pump up a team as the team of our show?

Speaker 43 And then they just, like, totally crumbled.

Speaker 74 And we finally hit on this one.

Speaker 81 And I feel like we should,

Speaker 14 well, we usually pick them in like week four or five. We've waited till they're nine and two.
So correct. We've, it's a little more, it feels a little more secure.

Speaker 125 I proposed this in July.

Speaker 126 What? Yes.

Speaker 126 Are you on our podcast, Mark?

Speaker 86 Have we not been talking about this for months?

Speaker 14 I don't remember anything from July, but I do.

Speaker 37 I believe that.

Speaker 38 I believe that.

Speaker 66 All right, let's move to another game of massive consequence, an intra-squad affair.

Speaker 95 Yes?

Speaker 83 No?

Speaker 26 Maybe so. Connor?

Speaker 51 I got dinged by my editor for saying Connor had last wrong, so I'm going to shut up. I don't know.

Speaker 51 You telling me it might be Inter Squad?

Speaker 51 Well, I don't know, man. English.

Speaker 14 Old dictionary.com over there, I think, was incorrect when he brought this up last time.

Speaker 51 Intra-league.

Speaker 15 Intra-lea.

Speaker 29 I'm still getting like.

Speaker 51 We might have to just throw it out.

Speaker 51 Anyway,

Speaker 51 Mark.

Speaker 60 Josh Allen Joycheck.

Speaker 135 Sassy was concerned.

Speaker 15 Does the Bills quarterback love football?

Speaker 9 Is there something going on behind the scenes?

Speaker 21 Why doesn't he have that same

Speaker 124 look?

Speaker 16 Oh, he looked pretty good to me. Six touchdowns.

Speaker 15 Three passing, three rushing.

Speaker 15 Historically great game.

Speaker 17 Gave

Speaker 26 Zuzzer's fantasy team 50 points.

Speaker 51 That was cool.

Speaker 134 And the Bills

Speaker 15 march by the Bucs 44-32.

Speaker 78 He's just...

Speaker 62 I mean, and the game starts.

Speaker 40 It couldn't have started worse for Josh Allen, who, Mark, on the

Speaker 32 first Bills possession, he gets hurried in his end zone and tries to flip a pass over the middle like Darnold style, gets picked off, leading to the opening points for the Tampa Bay.

Speaker 111 But that Allen offense from that point on was almost unstoppable.

Speaker 14 Yeah, like it was important to see him overcome what felt like the opening pages of the type of Josh Allen game that you're worried about that he has once in a while. And he completely overcame that.

Speaker 14 He's the only, he had so you're right he had three touchdowns on the ground and three through the air he's done that twice in his career and is the only nfl player that's ever done that um that's the power of josh allen it's like if you're the bills experiences you just kind of let him go and you hang on and he's going to do it for you i thought what was very different about their offense after that initial turnover today was

Speaker 14 a certain type of aggression and confidence through the air. I think it's been fair to say that they've not looked plentiful through the air with the wide receiver type issue.

Speaker 14 Wide receivers, and it was a weird cast of characters, showed up today. Keon Coleman was made inactive before the game.

Speaker 14 And players talked afterwards, and it sounds like Keon Coleman has some winning over to do inside that locker room and some growing up to do as a young player. You missed the Friday meeting.

Speaker 14 Right. And it's like, that's, you know, they somehow looked more cohesive minus him.

Speaker 14 Guys like Micole Hardman, who's barely been there, like had a huge kick return. Ray Davis had a big kick return as well.
Ty Johnson made a huge 52-yard touchdown catch.

Speaker 14 Curtis Samuel, Gabe Davis, like these aren't classic number one wide receivers, but Josh Allen walked out into halftime with 153 55 yards through the air, and they just looked like the offense you've been waiting to see from a passing angle.

Speaker 14 And it was pretty impressive against a good Bucs defense.

Speaker 14 I was watching this.

Speaker 14 This game brought me

Speaker 14 more pleasure than I usually feel on Sundays when you're trying to watch multiple games at the same time. It was absolutely delightful.
And Baker Mayfield balled out too in this thing.

Speaker 14 And they really battled.

Speaker 14 And I just thought to myself, if this was ever, and it's going to take a lot to get there, but if this was ever the Super Bowl matchup, it would be one of the most delightful rematches of all time.

Speaker 14 It was really great. The one thing that concerns me about Buffalo, before I pass it off, is that the Bucs ran at will on this defense.
202 plus yards. Sean Tucker went wild on them.

Speaker 14 And it's like weeks in a row where the Bills defense cannot stop anyone on the ground. And I don't love that from a December, January angle.
I'll leave it to you. I'll throw it to you guys.

Speaker 27 I spent like the last week looking at what, like, what, what, what is Joe Brady's whole thing? Like, what is his philosophy? What does he believe in?

Speaker 27 And I went back to Carolina and I went back to some of the other stops that he was at and all the way back to LSU. And I'm starting to get the philosophy from a kind of a ground standpoint.

Speaker 27 And like, we're going to make the team defend every blade of grass. We're going to put different guys in different kinds of personnel settings.

Speaker 27 We're not going to make it like Josh Allen and a couple good receivers going deep.

Speaker 27 And that all makes sense to me until you watch Sunday's game and it's just like the glowing man from NBA Jam and then nothing else makes any kind of sense.

Speaker 27 And, you know, he will throw the worst interception that you've ever seen in your entire life.

Speaker 27 And then he'll run sideline to sideline and then just fire a ball to, what was it, Tyrone Shavers was the name of the guy who caught that first touchdown catch.

Speaker 14 That was who essentially like must

Speaker 14 have replaced

Speaker 14 Coleman. Yeah.

Speaker 27 Yeah. And so to me, it's like, I think at this point, we should stop arguing about like, and I do it all the time.
I've led the charge. This guy's rushing too much.
This guy's doing too much.

Speaker 27 It doesn't matter. Like, he's just going to do this, and the Bills are just going to have to go along for the ride.

Speaker 27 And one playoffs, he's going to be on an uncomparable heater and lead the bills to a super bowl and it may be this year and it may be never but it's one of those things that they're just going to have to accept how unpredictably great he is and then how in like 20 of the games he's just not quite there There is no system.

Speaker 27 Like there's no scheme.

Speaker 94 It's just Josh, you know?

Speaker 84 You take, yeah, you take a game like this.

Speaker 91 And I didn't think Baker played great in this game, Mark.

Speaker 119 And I thought he was, I think Baker's a great quarterback, but I think Josh Allen's like a Hall of Fame level quarterback quarterback who, when he's in his bag like he is today, he just blows everybody off the field.

Speaker 14 One quick thing, though, I think that Baker on, like Connor made a great point on Thursday, that we've had an like a less than healthy version of Baker, and it took away his work on the ground.

Speaker 14 He was a fascination on the ground today.

Speaker 37 Fine.

Speaker 101 Fine.

Speaker 114 I mean, he was, yeah, I mean, but he wasn't anything close to what Josh Allen was in this game.

Speaker 104 All I'm saying is like that, and that's less a takedown of Baker, although that offense continues continues to be stuck in the mud a little bit, and it's been that way for over a month now.

Speaker 13 And keep an eye on it.

Speaker 131 Allen, without Dalton Kincaid, without Coleman, who's a knucklehead and got himself knocked off, it didn't matter.

Speaker 74 Like he's one of those guys that can just say, today I win.

Speaker 32 Like on those couple of those rushing touchdowns, it's like he's just like a bull in a china shop going downhill and he's a quarterback and then he'll make some beautiful touch throws downfield like he can do it.

Speaker 91 Oh, he's truly special.

Speaker 109 I just think that on the Tampa side, I also kind of push back on like, oh, maybe we'll get a Super Bowl rematch.

Speaker 91 I just don't think Tampa is at the same level of these big-time teams.

Speaker 14 I'm more saying that's what I would want. Okay.

Speaker 14 I don't think we're getting that.

Speaker 91 Let me just finish my point. Like, Tampa Bay has had two weeks in a row against AFC East teams.

Speaker 62 And I think you saw, again, a little bit of the NFC South side of this conversation where they're going to win that division.

Speaker 131 I know that the Panthers are hanging around there.

Speaker 78 But I think in both of these games, we saw the limitation, especially this version of Tampa Bay, which has not been able to overcome the injuries in the way some other teams have.

Speaker 14 You're absolutely right. I more meant like, that's what I want than that's what I think makes logical sense.
But they worry me because...

Speaker 14 It's sort of packed into the whole Baker Mayfield thing where he's a little bit like the engine that could. Like, we don't truly think he's an MVP, but he's playing like that at times.

Speaker 14 And it wasn't today, but at times. And it's like, it's a great story and the Bucks are fun because of him.
But I don't know how many heartbreaking losses you can take because

Speaker 14 they only lose close games. And today's score got a little out of hand at the end, but like there were nine lead changes in this game.
It was just a classic like Bucs loss.

Speaker 14 And it's like, I don't want them to be defined this way, but they really find a way to lose games that leave you, there's a lot of blood on the floor.

Speaker 119 And now they go another test.

Speaker 75 They go to Los Angeles to face the Rams Sunday night next week.

Speaker 62 So that's going to be a challenge.

Speaker 32 Obviously, the Bills go to Houston on a short week and Thursday night football.

Speaker 92 That will be another good test with D'Amico Ryan's defense playing well.

Speaker 84 But yeah.

Speaker 43 Oh, and it was a back and forth game.

Speaker 85 I don't know how it happened, but I did the blind lock and I got banged on it and I had to cover 11.

Speaker 133 Daddy gets a 12-point win for the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 7 In the biggest of all spots.

Speaker 14 At the very end. And there's one little, that was a big win for you because

Speaker 14 that was gutsy. One little moment.

Speaker 95 I'll tell you what, Con Man.

Speaker 14 One of the things that we love about this season are these breakaways to Adam Schein. Can we play this like wild breakaway that I've listened to about six times in a row?

Speaker 6 This guy's crazy.

Speaker 118 With Adam Schein,

Speaker 137 I am JJ Matthew rights.

Speaker 48 The right stuff.

Speaker 137 35-yard game-winning field goal for the Texans who have the Bills coming up on Thursday night. Back to you.

Speaker 99 I was like Jesse the Body Ventur or something.

Speaker 48 I don't know, Mean Gene.

Speaker 29 JJ.

Speaker 99 He's a breakout star.

Speaker 91 He's absolutely a breakout star.

Speaker 40 Here's Josh Allen.

Speaker 74 Give him the last word on this one.

Speaker 139 Trying to stay as level as possible, not getting too high, not getting too low. You know,

Speaker 139 starting off 4-0, and we're the best team in the world. We lose two in a row when we're the worst team in the world.
And it's like, we don't want to ride that.

Speaker 139 We just want to stay here, stay consistent, continue to work hard, put together game plans to go out there and execute on game days.

Speaker 41 What do you see, Mark?

Speaker 97 What do you see in his eyes?

Speaker 14 Well, you know, I was more, I was concerned about him. I see someone that fought through whatever was going on before,

Speaker 14 and I'm not concerned anymore.

Speaker 118 Good. Great news.

Speaker 14 As if he cared that I, or if he even knew that I had any concerns, but

Speaker 80 somebody, somebody tapped him on the shoulder right before kickoff.

Speaker 43 He's like, hey,

Speaker 74 Mark was talking on the podcast this week. He's worried about whether you still have the joy in life.

Speaker 14 You like that blogger from NFL.com?

Speaker 38 Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 106 All All right, let's take a break and we keep rolling through this excellent week 11.

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Speaker 135 All right, we keep moving.

Speaker 45 Let's go to the NFC North where nine was looking to score a big division win at home.

Speaker 118 Let's see how it went.

Speaker 95 Not great.

Speaker 134 I have to keep going.

Speaker 57 Please.

Speaker 118 The Chicago Bears, they have a knack.

Speaker 119 They're kind of like

Speaker 25 the Broncos in the NFC, where it's just like, do you respect the Bears?

Speaker 140 Do you think they're actually good?

Speaker 16 They don't care. You know what they care about?

Speaker 63 They're 7-3 after Cairo Santos piped one at the gun

Speaker 42 to secure a 19-17 win over the Vikings.

Speaker 40 The Vikings were,

Speaker 52 you know,

Speaker 55 getting beat badly in this game.

Speaker 67 They were down

Speaker 10 16-3 entering the fourth quarter,

Speaker 45 but they managed to put the ball in the end zone twice, their last possession, after really a very poor J.J.

Speaker 69 McCarthy performance overall.

Speaker 41 He isn't helped in this game either.

Speaker 73 There's some bad drops as well from

Speaker 45 Jordan Addison and others. More frustration from Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 65 Just the vibes were bad.

Speaker 54 But to McCarthy's credit, and he did the same thing against the Bears earlier this season,

Speaker 41 he snapped into it on their last possession.

Speaker 45 He leads them down the field.

Speaker 121 The Bears play kind of like a soft shell type defense.

Speaker 35 I don't know what they were doing, but McCarthy was hitting on target and he gets a touchdown pass to put them ahead in the final

Speaker 120 minutes.

Speaker 43 But then a Vikings team that can't figure it out this season, they can't quite put it together when the rookie or the second-year quarterback finally has a big drive in this game and it looks like they're going to steal one away.

Speaker 62 Devin Duvernay for the Bears returns once 56 yards in the final minute, which sets up the Santos kick, and the Bears survive. So,

Speaker 99 you know, this is who they are.

Speaker 36 This is who Chicago is.

Speaker 77 It is absolutely fair, I think, to ask: is this a team that can take this type of football into January if they get that far and win playoff games?

Speaker 97 Maybe, maybe it's a magical ride that the Bears are on because this has happened so many times.

Speaker 62 Over their seven wins, here's a good stat.

Speaker 123 The Bears are at plus 20 in turnovers,

Speaker 32 and they're 3-0 in games decided by two points or fewer, and 5-1 when the margin is 5 or less.

Speaker 72 That's all from

Speaker 35 the AP, Connor.

Speaker 62 So they're doing, they're essentially, however this happened, they body swapped with the Kansas City Chiefs, and they win all these crazy games.

Speaker 69 And as a result, they are in great position in the North.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 27 I think it's probably a little bit of a KC body swap, like you're saying. I mean, these, some teams have to win an outlier number of close games every year.
It's just how it works.

Speaker 27 But I do think that they've taken a lot of painstaking

Speaker 27 effort into like rebuilding the running game, really building something that's functional around Caleb Williams.

Speaker 27 And even though the Vikings were on him all day, I mean, I think that Flores pressured him on what, 70% of drop backs or something like that in this game.

Speaker 27 I think it's at the point now where he can survive these games because under Matt Eberflus with old offensive coordinators, there was no built-in survival mechanism.

Speaker 27 And I think that's kind of been the Ben Johnson difference for him.

Speaker 14 It feels like the one place in football or in the NFL where, like,

Speaker 14 if you did that last week and the week before, there's just a different level of belief that you're going to do it this week.

Speaker 14 And like, it doesn't always translate from season to season for obvious reasons, but they are kind of doing that.

Speaker 14 And like, I mean, Ben Johnson mentioned it directly, like in the locker room a week ago. Then they just went and did it again.

Speaker 14 And, you know, it helps when in this rugged, crazy division that a team like Minnesota to Dance Point is struggling to string together wins and have lost some of their identity.

Speaker 14 And it starts a quarterback.

Speaker 14 And like, I'm probably the one that would preach patience with all these guys that are in their first, like, essentially first seasons because that's all McCarthy is right now. But

Speaker 14 you leave a little concern. I liked what he did at the end of the game.
Like, there's something about him that kind of like makes you feel like it could serve some magic.

Speaker 14 But he's also like a young quarterback holding the ball too long. And, you you know, it's a work in progress.
And their season is sort of, it is what it is.

Speaker 14 And it's like, I don't, like, their goals are fading away where the bears are growing up very quickly.

Speaker 91 Yeah, we've talked about this.

Speaker 32 This isn't necessarily J.J.

Speaker 91 McCarthy's fault.

Speaker 32 It's somewhat unusual circumstances that he he inherited a 14-win team, but it wasn't also, this isn't on him.

Speaker 92 It was just more like an organizational decision that they were going to turn the keys over to him.

Speaker 69 They're not going to bench him.

Speaker 87 They're not going to put him Max Brosmer at this point.

Speaker 62 I mean, where they are standings-wise at this point, this is now, it's turning into almost a developmental feel.

Speaker 62 When you watch this game back, if you didn't have a chance to watch the game, his first three quarters, it's as bad as it can get.

Speaker 68 I mean, he was unplayable.

Speaker 32 But to his credit, and what you're saying there, Mark, is this fast, his last five

Speaker 91 passing attempts, all completions, culminating with a go-ahead touchdown.

Speaker 108 So yeah, there is that kind of moment in him.

Speaker 21 Now can he smooth all that stuff out?

Speaker 45 And I think if you're a Vikings fan, it's frustrating because you went into the season with high hopes, but you just kind of have to change your mindset on what the rest of this Vikings season is because I think there's going to be, even if there is growth Connor with J.J.

Speaker 63 McCarthy in 2025 in these last seven weeks or whatever, there's also going to be the stumbles where they're going to end up losing some more games.

Speaker 114 And it's going to take them out of playoff positioning.

Speaker 9 I feel like this was the week where it's like, okay, this is going to become a different type of year going forward.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I'm still mystified.

Speaker 27 I mean, I don't know if mystified is the right word because Kevin O'Connell had like a crazy reaction to it afterwards, but the kick return itself that set up the Bears for the game winner after nine did an amazing job of conjuring nine and uh throwing the game-winning touchdown, setting himself up for

Speaker 27 the conference player of the week, um, that uh, or at least an LFG award because Tom Brady was there. It could have been a second straight LFG award.

Speaker 103 Oh, no.

Speaker 27 But um, why

Speaker 40 you guys should have seen what was going on in the text thread by the way.

Speaker 14 Oh, it was so between Sessler and Connor.

Speaker 47 It was.

Speaker 133 And I found myself in a very difficult position because I do like the Vikings.

Speaker 69 I had them as an over and our over-under game, but I was like,

Speaker 45 I'm not going to watch this game for three and a half hours and watch this guy trip on his own balls for the first three quarters and then have one good drive.

Speaker 74 And then I have the two of these jackals talking about how we have the new Joe Montana.

Speaker 99 I can't do it.

Speaker 86 So I was a little bit, when Santos hit the answer for losers.

Speaker 133 When Santos hit the kick, I was like, oh, thank God we could talk about this game in a rational way.

Speaker 14 He's not Ron Connor.

Speaker 27 So

Speaker 27 I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about.
I just, that's how I normally talk.

Speaker 27 Typically, you will,

Speaker 27 if you're confident in your defense, and especially the way that a defense performs against a certain quarterback, the way that Brian Flores has against Caleb Williams, you will take that touchback and you will take that penalty because you're not really all that nervous about him starting at the 35-yard line.

Speaker 27 You know what I mean? And so I'm just wondering, I mean, Kevin O'Connell flipped after that.

Speaker 27 I don't know if it was a miscommunication, if he didn't want them to have a return, if he was wanting to pin them deep.

Speaker 27 I don't know what the strategy was there, but there seemed to be something that was off about that.

Speaker 57 Hmm.

Speaker 41 All right.

Speaker 32 Here's some Caleb Williams sound after the win.

Speaker 141 I think the belief that we've grown

Speaker 141 within the locker room

Speaker 140 is what changed.

Speaker 14 I think

Speaker 141 that's been the biggest thing throughout the season so far is the belief.

Speaker 141 And when you have belief, when you have the trust between each other and the guys and things like that, you know, these moments don't seem too big.

Speaker 68 You know, the old heads might know this.

Speaker 116 2001, I think you had a Bears team that had a similar type of energy.

Speaker 84 It was an Erlacher team.

Speaker 62 It was a bad quarterback, but they kept on finding ways and they pulled out wins with a ton of punt returns and turnovers.

Speaker 13 And they rode that to, I think, about a division title, I believe, year.

Speaker 10 And then it petered out.

Speaker 32 I'm still not a full believer.

Speaker 108 I'm more of a believer in Denver than I am in Chicago, put it that way right now.

Speaker 45 But again, Bears fans haven't had a lot of exciting seasons in the last 30 years or so.

Speaker 84 So enjoy the magic carpet ride and enjoy Cairo Santos in the locker room.

Speaker 44 Everyone, check it out on YouTube.

Speaker 116 Smash the subscribe button.

Speaker 141 Good, man. You talked about clutch when we needed it most, man.

Speaker 59 Let me get a little Cairo action.

Speaker 48 No,

Speaker 99 maybe the worst locker room dance ever right there.

Speaker 140 They shouldn't have let him talk after that.

Speaker 14 That's how I dance.

Speaker 97 It was a little Ceslarian vibe to it.

Speaker 105 That's fair.

Speaker 116 Can we just see that dance one more time, Justin?

Speaker 133 That's a little Cessler at the cozy after he comes out of the restroom and joins the group by the pool table.

Speaker 95 Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 36 I love it. Good vibes.

Speaker 26 All right, let's head to the Metal Lands.

Speaker 124 Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom.

Speaker 31 I love the sun.

Speaker 51 Love watching Jameis, you know, small sample sizes. I thought this Packers Giants tilt was set up well for an upset.
You had the Basacea bump vibes with Kafka replacing Dable.

Speaker 51 You had Jameis Winston coming in with Jackson Dart down with the concussion and Russell Wilson pushed into the cornfields.

Speaker 60 But credit the Packers because the Giants did fight as they do almost every week.

Speaker 51 They take a late lead, but Love leads the Packers down the field in the fourth quarter and

Speaker 51 they finish off the Giants 27 to 20. And Green Bay, which has been on a slide offensively, specifically Mark,

Speaker 51 maybe maybe didn't light it up in this game, but they showed signs of life and they survived what would have been another very bad loss.

Speaker 14 Yeah,

Speaker 14 you're right that it felt like we were watching a developing upset unfold because Green Bay did what they could from a certain point of view.

Speaker 14 I think they had seven drops on offense and also dropped two to three would-be Jameis Winston interceptions on defense. So it's like this could have been a wipeout had they been very efficient.

Speaker 14 But Love, who I thought was sort of all over the place today early on, kind of got hot down the stretch. Christian Watson made a couple money catches.

Speaker 14 Like he really stepped up when they needed him most.

Speaker 37 I called that.

Speaker 14 Did you?

Speaker 62 I said Watson was a guy that they were going to really need to step up, and I think he's really doing that in this offense.

Speaker 106 Thanks again for listening, Mark, to the show.

Speaker 14 No, that speaks to your acumen. But

Speaker 14 it was a real hot and cold afternoon because they also

Speaker 14 lost Jordan Love for a while, and Malik Wils was in there, and it was like, wait, what's going on with Jordan Love? He came back in the game.

Speaker 95 Thank you.

Speaker 14 A little bit late there, Justin, but okay.

Speaker 14 And then Josh Jacobs, though, left with a knee injury and did not return. So it's kind of like it was.

Speaker 14 It was a little bit rough. You don't have Tucker Kraft at this point.
Elkton Jenkins is not in there. It's like they're losing guys kind of left and right.
And it really came down to,

Speaker 14 I thought, like for Jameis Winston, and this was the most Jameis Winston game.

Speaker 14 Um, he was delightful, but you're always going to get the point to your point where it's like the small sample size is a little more delightful because a big mistake happened late with a chance to get back into it.

Speaker 14 Throws a ball into the end zone intended for Jalen Hyatt. And this was not on Jameis.

Speaker 14 I try to watch it over and over. And the broadcast mentioned it too.
I think Jalen Wyatt had like what would have been like a corner route and basically just stopped.

Speaker 14 And it landed right into the arms of a Green Bay Packer at game over. And they had one more chance to

Speaker 14 basically throw a Hail Mary at the end of the game. And Micah Parsons made the play that you were waiting for.
He just dropped Winston to the rug. Parsons was pretty good in this game, but

Speaker 14 you lose your running back and Jacobs, who I think is the engine of this offense. And there were moments that make me think like Green Bay, we're not quite sure what they can be, but

Speaker 14 they're really uneven. They're really uneven.

Speaker 62 Here's the good news.

Speaker 44 Josh Jacobs, at least the initial reporting is that x-rays were negative on the knee injury.

Speaker 69 He'll have an MRI on Monday, so they're going to hold their breath and hopefully that comes back clean.

Speaker 32 As for Jordan Lovett was a shoulder injury that he...

Speaker 14 Left shoulder, though.

Speaker 32 Left shoulder, non-throwing shoulder.

Speaker 40 Here he was after the game talking about gutting it out and getting the dub.

Speaker 103 Yeah, it's exactly what we needed. You know, we came in with the mindset.
It's going to be a game.

Speaker 103 It's going to, whatever it takes, you know, we've got to find a way to go get a win and get us back on track. So like you said, it's never going to be pretty, man.
It's an NFL.

Speaker 103 You You got to find ways to go win these games.

Speaker 103 And obviously, it was a close one, came down to the end, but we stayed together and guys just found ways to keep making plays all the way to the fourth quarter.

Speaker 14 One quick note, like

Speaker 14 the wind, this is like, I can't think of a game this season where wind played a bigger role.

Speaker 14 There were three missed extra points early, and I think that definitely impacted the passing game for both teams. It was like a wild, gusting wind, Connor.

Speaker 27 I can attest to that. I'm only about 20 miles from the stadium, and in an amazing stroke of luck, all the leaves that I have not raked blew right into my neighbor's yard today.

Speaker 27 And it was just like, dude, it was so good. God is real.

Speaker 48 God is real.

Speaker 14 Domestic victory.

Speaker 74 By the way, between the Bills cover on the blind spread and this, yes, God is a beautiful thing and he's watching out for us all.

Speaker 27 Amazing.

Speaker 27 But

Speaker 27 I do want to give a little bit of a hat tip to Mike Kafka, who was just wild in this game.

Speaker 27 Like, took the, they won the coin toss and took the ball, which is kind of like a ridiculous ceremonial interim head coach move.

Speaker 27 But I think at one point, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, but he went for fourth down, went for it on fourth down three times in one drive, starting in his own 36-yard line. And I was like, correct.

Speaker 6 They were very aggressive.

Speaker 27 Like, let's just do it. You're only going to be an NFL head coach for probably six weeks.
Like, go, do it.

Speaker 14 You can tell Kafka likes Jameis Winston for all those things.

Speaker 14 Like, just dial it up and go for it. And he looks like a head coach to me.
He's got a mean grill to him. I kind of dig him, but you're right.
They were hyper aggressive.

Speaker 45 The only way you can keep the job as an interim head coach is if you really change the entire temperature of the room and then every lever you flip turns green.

Speaker 120 Like that's what I would do.

Speaker 84 I would just be an absolute maniac.

Speaker 26 And then maybe, maybe you're like the 2025 Chicago Bears where everything starts to kind of, the dominoes fall your way.

Speaker 78 I mean, what do you have to lose?

Speaker 123 I mean, good for him.

Speaker 95 All right, let's move on.

Speaker 133 Listen, you're a Giants fan.

Speaker 68 It's just like draft pick keeps getting better.

Speaker 99 There's gonna be a lot of options.

Speaker 68 Look at it this way.

Speaker 26 I don't think Kafka is gonna be the head coach,

Speaker 40 but they're gonna hire somebody. The fan base will get talked into the guy one way or the other.

Speaker 62 Scott Abu's coming back.

Speaker 69 Dart will be there.

Speaker 54 Malik Neighbors will be there.

Speaker 40 They'll have a high first round.

Speaker 44 I mean, you're going to be excited as a Giants fan.

Speaker 111 You just got to get through a couple more months of this.

Speaker 14 Giants fans always find a a way to pump up their own

Speaker 14 self-experience. I've tried to build that

Speaker 1 and for all the hand-wringing.

Speaker 86 And for, well, you guys are the two biggest Giants fans I knew a couple months ago, but

Speaker 111 like for all the hand-wringing of the Packers, they're 6'3-1, and they got the Vikings limping into their building next week.

Speaker 118 So they're in a decent position, too.

Speaker 114 All right, let's move on. Let's head to

Speaker 62 Georgia.

Speaker 51 Man, the Falcons needed this one.

Speaker 64 At home,

Speaker 51 with the Carolina Panthers ahead of them in the standings, this was the time

Speaker 51 for the Falcons to soar.

Speaker 60 And yet, they did what they always do.

Speaker 51 They shrink in a big spot, and Bryce Young does what he seems to always do.

Speaker 51 Just when you write him off,

Speaker 51 he says, I ain't writing back.

Speaker 60 What was the old Geno Smith line?

Speaker 51 I don't remember.

Speaker 20 Young threw for 448 yards with three touchdowns, no picks.

Speaker 51 Ryan Fitzgerald kicked the 28th-yard field goal in overtime. Panthers beat the Falcons 30-27.
Young had a 54-yard pass to Tommy Tremble to set up the game-winning kick for Carolina.

Speaker 25 They sweep the NFC South rival Falcons who just stink.

Speaker 123 And I...

Speaker 102 I didn't feel good about that, Raheem Moore, where we had him in the hot butt rankings.

Speaker 101 I feel like we didn't bury him.

Speaker 36 He's in a lot of trouble. That team's not.

Speaker 14 I think think others didn't like it either. We've got some flack for that.

Speaker 97 No, like he's he's in a lot of trouble.

Speaker 143 I think this game, Connor, that's a tough, tough loss for the Falcons and a really nice win for Bryce Young and the Panthers.

Speaker 27 Yeah, Bryce Young had a career high. I mean, it was 448 yards or whatever.
And Robert Hunt, who of the Panthers, who I just love the fact that he only has like 16,000 Twitter followers.

Speaker 27 I get that like a kick out of that. But after the game, he said, f ⁇ it, let's build a Bryce Young statue in Atlanta.
And I just was like, yeah, like everybody's kind of getting behind this guy.

Speaker 95 Isn't it weird, though?

Speaker 21 Like, I feel like kind of we just, and we had the same conversations last year on the show.

Speaker 45 We were having these conversations on Thursday.

Speaker 106 Oh, I guess, I guess Bryce Young's not the guy.

Speaker 86 And maybe he's not the guy, but he does have a knack of just

Speaker 70 showing you maybe I'm a little more than what you now kind of slotted me in to be.

Speaker 32 And it does set up once again a six or seven week audition, and it starts in a wonderful way.

Speaker 27 I would say sometimes, right? And I think that this game is all circumstance-based.

Speaker 27 The Panthers were getting handled for a large portion of this game when Michael Pennix was in and before it passed off to Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 27 Like, Pennix was like 11 of 12, like, Drake London at over 100 receiving yards. Like, everything was working for them.

Speaker 27 And, you know, the Panthers would go forward on fourth and short, and Bryce Young is trying to scramble for a first down, which he just doesn't have the body type to do.

Speaker 27 And a player can just physically grab him and rip him back behind the first down marker.

Speaker 27 So, you saw kind of all the bad Bryce Young stuff, and then everything started to turn kind of after Kirk Cousins came in, and after the Panthers kind of got that, got a couple long completions, you know, and but you can't take away the fact that this was a just a spectacular day for him.

Speaker 27 I thought the staff did a really good job with Tep McMillan and putting him in some better spots for Bryce, too, maybe kind of altering his route concepts a little bit so that Bryce had some different options for him.

Speaker 27 But I, you know, this thing is going to be a constant like work in progress. And I don't know if it ever leads anywhere, but they kind of have to stick with them for a little bit.

Speaker 14 It felt like the perfect game script for a clash between the two most confusing teams in the NFC,

Speaker 14 right? Because, like, you're like, the Falcons, I think, scored three straight touchdowns. And I was reading reports, like, everyone looks like what you're waiting for.

Speaker 14 And by the end of the game, Pennex is out of the game.

Speaker 14 I mean, I know Young played through an injury too, but it's like, how, like, I just can't get a handle on these two, but the Panthers sit half game, a half game behind the Tampa Bay Buccaneers right now.

Speaker 85 Have we gotten to the point where we're allowed to

Speaker 25 say we do know who the Falcons are?

Speaker 46 They've lost five straight.

Speaker 32 They're three and seven in the NFC South.

Speaker 25 And, you know, we don't even know now what Pennix's situation was.

Speaker 62 He was removed with 522 left in the third quarter with the knee injury. We know Cousins seems to have nothing left in the tank at this point.

Speaker 63 Drake London also, he got banged up in this game.

Speaker 145 Knee injury, according to Adam Schefter, not thought to be overly serious, but he's scheduled to undergo an MRI on Monday to determine the extent of his injury and how much time he will miss, if any.

Speaker 10 Yeah, head on a swivel for Raheem Morris, who if we can go back in time, we should put him into a hotter seat because I don't think

Speaker 41 I don't think this is sustainable.

Speaker 68 Certainly if they continue to lose.

Speaker 91 Five-game losing streak, this has gotten pretty grisly, and they go to the Saints next week.

Speaker 32 So we

Speaker 14 can't close games.

Speaker 14 that's sort of what they're doing.

Speaker 1 But they have B.

Speaker 7 John Robinson.

Speaker 6 Well, that's a good idea. So that's why it's confusing.

Speaker 14 They were confusing under Artists.

Speaker 29 And Algiers.

Speaker 14 And they're confusing now.

Speaker 126 And Drake London,

Speaker 125 they should end a pass rush for the first time in forever.

Speaker 49 So

Speaker 84 it's like when you have all these pieces, like for me anyway, and go

Speaker 45 find someone smarter that will tell you what the actual reality is.

Speaker 9 But when you have a team that has all these skilled players and they're talented and they are being productive and you still lose, I go to coaching.

Speaker 80 I say, so what, why is this team losing?

Speaker 115 Unless it's just bad luck.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 27 I agree because like in this game, for example, like there were Caden Ellis had to stop on Bryce Young on the fourth down that he tried to convert. And then A.J.

Speaker 27 Terrell, Bryce Young just slightly overthrowed a ball. I think it was on fourth down into the end zone.
And he makes this acrobatic play to break it up. And I'm like, this team is.
spectacular.

Speaker 27 Like it's full of really, really good players. And why are they never winning more than seven games a year? It's just insane.

Speaker 64 Hey, hey, Justin, you really thought the Falcons were going to win this game.

Speaker 127 You know what? I'll tell you what. At halftime, when they were up 21 to 10, I really thought they were going to win this game.
Felt great about the lock.

Speaker 127 And then suddenly, and then I see the alert and I'm like, Bryce Young is back in the game.

Speaker 118 And I'm like, okay, how do I feel about that?

Speaker 95 I feel fine.

Speaker 14 Going for 500 yards.

Speaker 7 And he just went nuclear in the second half and just ripped my heart out.

Speaker 127 And then, you know,

Speaker 127 the Falcons tie it up and it's going to overtime and they get the ball first. And I'm like, all right, we're going to be fine.

Speaker 123 Everything's fine.

Speaker 133 What could go wrong for the Atlanta Falcons?

Speaker 97 Everything's fine.

Speaker 127 Until I saw Tommy Tremble rumbling down the field, and I'm like, okay, I'm going to lose.

Speaker 14 Scare me out. Dave took immense pleasure in Justin losing that lock.

Speaker 2 That was a very snarky love when everyone had just lost there.

Speaker 26 By the way, at least you have the Longhorns, Justin.

Speaker 89 That's, you know,

Speaker 95 now you're just being mean.

Speaker 14 Banner weekend.

Speaker 109 Hey, Nico Harrison, gone.

Speaker 105 Yes.

Speaker 127 And the Titans, still the only one-win team. Let's go.
Number one pick, baby.

Speaker 89 See?

Speaker 118 As always, there's a rainbow.

Speaker 95 We're looking up.

Speaker 127 We are looking up.

Speaker 131 Do we want to hear from Raheem Morris?

Speaker 110 Are we just...

Speaker 48 Are we?

Speaker 48 It's pretty good.

Speaker 95 I mean, it's.

Speaker 91 All right, let's listen to Raheem Morris after

Speaker 13 another loss.

Speaker 95 Thinks he's going to lose his job.

Speaker 147 You know, we've lost a bunch of games in a row in tight moments, and you've got to find a way to win those games, man. Here you go.

Speaker 147 it definitely is on me there's no such thing as a losing team there's only a losing leader and i'm the leader and we lost okay

Speaker 110 mark this is where you say it doesn't matter if he gets fired because he's going to make millions of dollars to sit on his ass which is not incorrect

Speaker 14 uh no that is correct he he would live in a way that none of us will ever be able to live financially just for not doing a good job so

Speaker 45 all right let's head to um i was gonna say miami but no we're gonna head to madrid let's go to spain for some reason I don't know.

Speaker 133 You can tell we're at the stage of the international series.

Speaker 40 And by the way, Mark, give me best

Speaker 58 45th and 47th president here.

Speaker 44 We love the international audience.

Speaker 14 Look, we love them very much. We love every country.
Not everyone, but many of them. We love Spain.
Okay.

Speaker 59 Very good. Perfect.

Speaker 53 When you hit the very end of the international series, when you...

Speaker 59 Roger Goodell is like, for the 14th time in eight weeks, is in some luxury suite somewhere in the world sitting next to some boring guy that he's never met before and he has to pretend like he wants to be there.

Speaker 133 It's like, all right, it's time to bring Roger home.

Speaker 59 Throw Roger in a duffel bag.

Speaker 58 I think he just wants to sit in his office for a little while in New York.

Speaker 128 Anyway,

Speaker 59 it was like Rog was done.

Speaker 133 Rog's done with the International Series.

Speaker 146 So are we until next year?

Speaker 9 It ends with a 16-13 overtime win for the Dolphins over the Commanders in Madrid.

Speaker 45 In all seriousness, if you were at the Madrid game, I hope you had a great time.

Speaker 130 And this was

Speaker 32 a game that went back and forth, a tight game.

Speaker 106 Both teams had great defensive stands in the fourth quarter that pushed it to overtime, Connor.

Speaker 69 But in the end, it was an unfortunate Marcus Mariota turnover that got Miami another W.

Speaker 27 I mean, this is two in a row for the Dolphins following the Bills game, and then they have their bye, and then the Jets and Saints in some order coming off of that. And so,

Speaker 27 well, so here's what I will say, okay?

Speaker 27 I was just sort of talking to folks around the league, and while this isn't necessarily directly from the Dolphins, there is an optimism that maybe Mike is playing himself back into this gig.

Speaker 27 And I think that, you know, they could be, they could very easily be six since that, what are they, four and seven now if they beat the Saints and the Jets.

Speaker 27 And then they have the Steelers and the Bengals. The Steelers might not have Aaron Rodgers.
The Bengals are kind of adrift at this point. So I don't know.
I mean, I'm kind of in on this.

Speaker 27 Like, I put, I bumped them up in the power rankings to 20. took a little heat for that, but now I'm ready.

Speaker 37 Like, all right, that's good.

Speaker 23 You know, good. Yeah, I

Speaker 40 thought a similar thing after this game when they did find a way again.

Speaker 84 We like Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 43 I still would be very surprised if he survives, but there's usually one team every season that appears to be underground, and then improbably at the end of December, they're still in the mix.

Speaker 84 Maybe in a weird AFC.

Speaker 120 It is Miami.

Speaker 62 Here is McDaniel after the game. They've fought for

Speaker 148 belief, and now they've been awarded

Speaker 144 real belief based on

Speaker 29 cause and effect.

Speaker 148 We'll be excited to play our next game.

Speaker 89 We

Speaker 62 need the time off.

Speaker 33 We definitely wish we could play.

Speaker 33 Our locker room probably want to play tomorrow, even though they're a little beat up.

Speaker 148 But we'll take the rest and get back to preparing our style football so that we can continue to have products like this on Sunday.

Speaker 26 What planet does this guy live on?

Speaker 44 That was McGee,

Speaker 43 whatever the hell he is. Nerd boy.

Speaker 133 That was a little strange, even by his standards, Mark.

Speaker 14 They come out of the buy, and they've got the Saints and the Jets.

Speaker 125 So that's what Connor just said.

Speaker 14 Oh, manageable, right. And I think the thing that matters is that, like, to that nerd boy

Speaker 14 riff that came from Rex Ryan is that it seemed like Mike McDaniel was the kind of coach that we're like, well, this was cute, but he doesn't fit as the head of an NFL team.

Speaker 14 But I see a team that is, the players are engaged and playing their asses off for him. That's all I'd say.

Speaker 14 That matters because we see, we're at the time of year where stuff starts to drift into another atmosphere, and that's not what the Dolphins are at the moment.

Speaker 119 I kind of feel like they'll end up losing one or both of those games.

Speaker 92 Maybe. I didn't see.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 81 Like I don't, I'm not buying in on this really, but they did win, and that's nice, but it could have easily gone the other way.

Speaker 110 I don't see this team as like they're finding themselves and developing like a level of cohesion and they're going to make a run.

Speaker 1 I just think that's the same thing.

Speaker 14 We're not getting like whisper campaigns about the coach becoming the biggest guard of the problem. That's all.

Speaker 101 Yeah, no, I agree with that too.

Speaker 45 I'm happy for McDaniel that this thing hasn't turned into total forest, but they already fired the GM.

Speaker 43 I don't think it's a great roster.

Speaker 84 Yeah, I'm not buying in on the Dolphins, I guess I'm saying.

Speaker 27 So two things.

Speaker 27 I think one thing is it's a good political move for a GM sometimes to inherit a coach who's well-liked by the owner, which McDaniel still is, and then it buys that GM an extra year because then he'll get to fire the coach and then pick a guy and then extend his own tenure, kind of like Ryan Poles did.

Speaker 27 But

Speaker 27 the thing about McDaniel that I think I really like around the stretch is he's finally just taking the ball out of Tua's hands.

Speaker 27 Like there were long stretches of this game where like he's just like, you're done. And what he had 20 passing attempts in this game.

Speaker 27 HN had 21 carries for 120 yards and then five catches for 45 yards. It's just like, we're just going to hammer the run game and we're going to do all the cool Mike McDaniel stuff into it.

Speaker 27 Like, you're just going to sit there until we need you because we can't trust you to do anything else. And that's good.

Speaker 86 That's what he should have done a long time ago.

Speaker 95 Yeah.

Speaker 43 I could buy, I could buy this conversation that he might be able to save his job.

Speaker 74 And with that, the way you explain that too, that makes sense in terms of the politics of it.

Speaker 90 But I guess I'm going to need to see a little bit more beyond that.

Speaker 32 I've seen enough of Jonathan Vilma, by the way, over the years.

Speaker 45 You know my feelings on John Vilma.

Speaker 29 Yes, we do.

Speaker 145 Who seems like a good man and

Speaker 131 was a great linebacker in the NFL, including for my team for several years.

Speaker 57 Jesus close.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 45 every game, he says something or six things that I'm like,

Speaker 44 how does this guy stay in these booths?

Speaker 123 I don't understand it.

Speaker 32 This one was one of my favorites ever.

Speaker 65 This little interplay, whenever you could say something that actually floors your partner to where he has to like, in a stammer, try to like,

Speaker 111 like take the fire extinguisher out and put out the flame,

Speaker 44 it really tells you we're dealing with a different type of professional broadcaster.

Speaker 43 Listening.

Speaker 48 So if you were a line linebacker going up against Tua on that play. No, Kenny.
I mean, hard no.

Speaker 59 What would be going through your mind when you see that?

Speaker 103 He's on drugs.

Speaker 132 He's only kidding, folks.

Speaker 48 I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Speaker 99 He was incident. His joke was that Tua was on drugs because he tried to juke out a pass rusher and

Speaker 44 it wasn't a great attempt.

Speaker 25 I think it was a fake snap, that thing where the quarterback jumps up

Speaker 32 and he said he's on drugs.

Speaker 43 And Kenny Albert, he's on drugs.

Speaker 146 Kenny Albert was freaking out immediately.

Speaker 14 They've had a weird seven or eight days together

Speaker 14 as a duo.

Speaker 50 I don't know. Maybe I'm being hard on him because that's something we would say.

Speaker 91 Certainly something Mark would say.

Speaker 74 We make drug references multiple times every episode.

Speaker 26 It's just very unusual for it to come out of the booth.

Speaker 32 It's just like...

Speaker 110 It sticks out like a sore thumb.

Speaker 84 But maybe I need to change.

Speaker 43 Maybe I just need to change Mark my perspective and be like, maybe it's good that there's a guy that's totally unpolished no matter how many years and how many games he does.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I will say one thing that these booths sometimes are a little too buttoned up for my taste.

Speaker 14 But,

Speaker 14 you know, there's a, there's a certain approach to it all. And I think that he's done some quizzical things verbally over the years.
So I understand where you're, where you're coming from.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 44 As far as the commanders go, woof. Lost season.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 65 for Washington.

Speaker 9 All right, let's take a break.

Speaker 40 Les Connor, do you have any Washington take takes or shea there?

Speaker 110 I don't want to totally short drift them, but it just feels like a season that has drifted off like

Speaker 118 ahead of the horizon, off the horizon.

Speaker 27 Wolf would cover it. I mean, Marcus Mariota had like a really strange, kind of bad pick to set the Dolphins up for the game winner, and he's normally a pretty good, like just risk-averse player.

Speaker 27 I just think that a lot of things are going wrong for this team. It's kind of just a train sliding off the tracks at this point.

Speaker 95 Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 77 All right, let's take a break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 32 It's time to talk a little Texans, Titans.

Speaker 53 Buckle up, eBay.

Speaker 1 Stress on little.

Speaker 9 Yes, it was Davis Mills once again filling in for CJ Stroud Concussed.

Speaker 51 Open parenthetical, closed parenthetical.

Speaker 21 And what do you know?

Speaker 51 They're now 2-0 with Mills leading the way as the Texans survived

Speaker 58 a game Titans effort and they get a late field goal as time expired.

Speaker 91 35 yards of Matthew Wright, 16-13, sweeping the season series with their rivals from the AFC South.

Speaker 51 The Titans now 1-9

Speaker 79 and still winless

Speaker 9 at Nissan Stadium.

Speaker 41 Justin, your thoughts on this ballgame?

Speaker 127 Perfect game. No notes.
Great job, Titans. Got everything I wanted.
Cam Ward leads a brilliant game-tying drive with less than two minutes to go.

Speaker 127 Has a beautiful 35-yard down the field shot under pressure, taking a hit as he throws it to Chiga Conquo to set up the touchdown pass that he threw.

Speaker 127 After scampering after scampering for 20 yards, something that Titans fans have been wanting to see Cam Ward do more. Make a play with your legs when it's not there.

Speaker 127 He did it, and they still lost the game, securing, well, for now, their position as the only one-win team and

Speaker 127 still in control of that number one overall pick. In all seriousness,

Speaker 127 Houston's defense, again, just continues to play lights out. Their offense, I think, took a step back today.

Speaker 127 Like, the Titans' defense has been really bad this season, and Houston had trouble converting on third downs.

Speaker 127 They were giving up pressure all game long to what has been a totally anemic pass rush that just traded their best pass rusher. Titans did get Jeffrey Simmons back, and he was effective.

Speaker 127 He had a sack lined up, actually, as an edge rusher, because again, the Titans just have no edge players.

Speaker 127 So they're putting Jeffrey Simmons out there to get pressure, and he did get a sack on one play. I mean, Davis Mills was pretty up and down.

Speaker 127 He didn't have the same highs that he had last week in that comeback win, but he did enough and he led the game-winning field goal drive with a bunch of nice throws to get them into position.

Speaker 127 There's a chance he plays again on Thursday night because the Texans have a short turnaround here.

Speaker 127 And if he does, like, I honestly don't think their offense is that different with Davis Mills compared to CJ Stroud.

Speaker 92 You know, who seems to really like playing with Davis Mills is their number one

Speaker 143 wide receiver.

Speaker 84 He had another big game today.

Speaker 127 Yeah, Nico Collins continues to be that guy. He had a great touchdown in this game.
And

Speaker 127 I mean, he wasn't putting up numbers with C.J. Stroud.
So it's an interesting conundrum.

Speaker 119 Any other thoughts on this one?

Speaker 127 No, we don't have to talk about the one-win Titans or the 5-5 Texans for that long.

Speaker 83 All right.

Speaker 127 No disrespect to Texans fans. I apologize.
Take that. You guys swept us.
Congrats.

Speaker 45 It helps to get the Titans twice on your schedule before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 74 You know, that gives you a little bit of bubble room.

Speaker 70 All right.

Speaker 14 Before they really get hot.

Speaker 6 Exactly.

Speaker 14 Not being the Titans.

Speaker 118 All right.

Speaker 21 Well, let's not get too many laughs things.

Speaker 91 Now we're going to Cleveland.

Speaker 82 Oh.

Speaker 58 You know, our boy Sessler was fired up in the chat again.

Speaker 106 And I said to him, Connor, I says to him,

Speaker 51 you hate the Ravens.

Speaker 15 You hate Lamar Jackson. That's okay.

Speaker 51 I want you to share that on the show.

Speaker 20 Be yourself.

Speaker 90 Be your true Browns fan.

Speaker 51 And let it out that you're mad that you had the Ravens

Speaker 51 boxed in in a big spot and then let them off the hook and then got beat in the fourth quarter on a, of all things,

Speaker 51 fake tush push run by Mark Andrews, 35 yards to the house.

Speaker 130 The difference in a 23-16 win for the Ravens who have, I know, Mark, you're very excited to acknowledge, have indeed come back to life from 1-5 and are now 5-5 and right in the mix in the north.

Speaker 14 Well, it's the most predictable thing around.

Speaker 14 I have given up

Speaker 14 any semblance of hope around the fact that the league is literally involved in making this happen.

Speaker 14 There were a couple of things that, A, first of all, hey, Cleveland, how about this? Here's a note for you.

Speaker 14 Stop wasting the brilliant career of Miles Garrett, who was a dominant, absolute force today. It's just lost in the, it's lost in the fog, and it's an embarrassment to continue to lose to the Ravens.

Speaker 14 And that particular Mark Andrews play was exactly what I would underline as what happens every time the Browns try to line up with the Ravens.

Speaker 14 They played an awesome defensive game, and it was suddenly awash and completely, completely reduced to nothing. There was another moment when I got heated up was, of all things, the Browns

Speaker 14 punt and they down the ball very crystal clear visually at the one-yard line.

Speaker 14 And you're going to have Baltimore backed up against a Miles Garrett heated up figure and a defense that under Jim Schwartz was playing awesome. Like Swessinger is just an absolute fun guy to watch.

Speaker 14 And it's like they had Baltimore's number. Instead, that ball down at the one-yard line, I don't care what angle you tell me that you saw it from.

Speaker 14 That thing was down at the one, and they call it a touchback.

Speaker 14 And it's like, obviously, in my world, the way that I think, like, New York called to the back judge and said, the Ravens are making the playoffs at any cost.

Speaker 14 And suddenly, if you're a Browns fan, you're sitting at home hanging out with Lorena Bobbitt.

Speaker 59 Yeah, good reference.

Speaker 38 Good pop. I've had enough.

Speaker 14 I've had enough because, and, you know, I guess the other thing with that the biggest thing that happened in this game was that Dylan Gabriel, who is, look, I'm sure a nice young man, like not your future quarterback,

Speaker 14 goes out with a concussion and in comes Shador Sanders. And the crowd goes literally crazy.
Like, I think they've waited to see this, but the end result was unpleasant.

Speaker 21 Yeah, they had a chance.

Speaker 16 They had a chance

Speaker 43 because I agree.

Speaker 109 That ball should have been called.

Speaker 35 It was one of those things where they kind of blew the initial call because it looked to me that it was down and the player did not touch the goal line.

Speaker 62 But then, once they didn't have a clear view of him not touching it, they couldn't overturn what was probably the wrong call.

Speaker 114 So that's just annoying.

Speaker 74 But you had Shador Sanders with the ball in his hands in Ravens territory in a seven-point game.

Speaker 45 You knew if Cleveland scored, they were going to go for two and try to win the game there.

Speaker 32 It was all there for him.

Speaker 41 But yeah, at least from what we saw in a small sample size, Sanders was a mess, four of 16, averaged less than three yards per attempt, threw an interception.

Speaker 25 But I think it's a good thing, Connor, you're getting a look at these guys for the same point, like

Speaker 44 why Titans fans are ready for them to get the first pick.

Speaker 62 It's all about now just figuring out who's part of the future and who's not.

Speaker 87 So there's your first glance at the fifth-round pick.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I mean, I think that the Browns knew what they were going to see, which is why they took many efforts to not put him on the field until this point when they got it.

Speaker 27 But my lingering curiosity from this game is the Mark Andrews touchdown, because I just don't care about Shadur Sanders. I'm sorry.
I just, I really don't.

Speaker 27 And I'm sure ESPN will talk about him for nine and a half hours tomorrow. So

Speaker 27 watch that for more Shadur content.

Speaker 27 But the Mark Andrews touchdown on the Tush Push, we've now, between them and the Eagles and like three or four other teams, have had like 12 really amazing fakes off of the tush push.

Speaker 27 And we are like one evolution closer to the NFL going back to like flex bone or triple option because you can like run this as your base offense now.

Speaker 27 You've, there are teams throwing out of the tush push. There are teams doing like jet sweep handoffs and running out of the tush push.

Speaker 27 This is going to look, this is going to be a base offense in like two years.

Speaker 90 Mark my words.

Speaker 27 It's going to be crazy.

Speaker 121 It was cool.

Speaker 130 It wouldn't be be cool if you were a Browns fan, but it was cool to see the play turned on its head like that.

Speaker 123 Two things.

Speaker 32 Three things.

Speaker 10 One, Lamar Jackson, the Ravens win on a day where Lamar goes 14 of 25,

Speaker 32 no touchdown passes, two interceptions, runs the ball four times for 10 yards.

Speaker 41 To your point, Mark. I mean, it's like, that is awesome.

Speaker 32 The Browns get a defensive score in this game.

Speaker 25 They totally shut down Lamar, and yet they can't find a way because that just seems how it always goes with the Ravens and Browns.

Speaker 67 And finally, Miles Garrett,

Speaker 66 come on, just trade for two first-round picks.

Speaker 25 Get two first-round picks for this guy, send him on his way, and really accelerate this rebuild.

Speaker 14 It's untenable to some degree in terms of the financials around it, unless there was something that they can work out. Like, it's a pretty tough trade to pull off, but

Speaker 14 I'm with you in the sense that, like,

Speaker 14 I'm at the set him free, set him free. Like

Speaker 14 he, I will say one thing, man. He

Speaker 14 for my, I wanted them to trade him in the offseason, but just watching him today, it's like they'll never have a player of this nature ever again on defense in my lifetime. But he is,

Speaker 14 I'd have to confirm that, but it was like he's had 12 plus sacks in six straight seasons. No other player in NFL history has done that.
Like he's the equal of Lawrence Taylor in my book.

Speaker 14 They're different, but he is the equal of of Lawrence Taylor to me.

Speaker 74 I mean, different positions, but like, yeah, he had four sacks.

Speaker 23 He is one of the most skilled pure pass rushers who has ever played the game.

Speaker 54 And you just wonder if they can get a team around him before he gets old.

Speaker 21 He's 29. He's actually turning 30

Speaker 91 next month.

Speaker 50 So it's like, you know, he's got, I think this is accurate.

Speaker 97 He's got 15 sacks.

Speaker 128 So he's got a chance to go after the sack record here on a Browns team that is obviously

Speaker 52 going nowhere.

Speaker 10 And if you're wondering who Lorena Bobbitt is,

Speaker 70 look it up.

Speaker 14 Spend some time and look it up.

Speaker 45 I'm not even going to explain what it is, but she is a notable pop culture figure of the early 1990s for a salacious crime that she was involved in.

Speaker 59 That's right.

Speaker 87 Let's move on.

Speaker 108 Crazy story, man.

Speaker 7 All right. Up next,

Speaker 59 let's head to Arizona, to the desert.

Speaker 119 We're checking all the boxes. Now, Zumball's team.

Speaker 55 Man, we've like some bad teams.

Speaker 138 Yeah.

Speaker 146 The Niners

Speaker 13 getting healthy.

Speaker 22 Brock Purdy's back.

Speaker 58 Plays great.

Speaker 51 George Kittle's healthy.

Speaker 58 Kicking ass.

Speaker 44 Two touchdowns in this game.

Speaker 58 He didn't show up in the box score, but Rookie Pearsall even back in action. And Christian McCaffrey continues to score multiple touchdowns every week.

Speaker 22 Four-downers overwhelm the Cardinals 41 to 22.

Speaker 145 And

Speaker 53 good for them because they've really struggled, obviously,

Speaker 109 in terms of the health department.

Speaker 41 So to see them in a game like this have many of their players, and they still don't have all their players.

Speaker 69 Obviously, we're now

Speaker 44 getting close to December without a Brandon Ayu sighting on this roster.

Speaker 70 But

Speaker 33 to see the way they played in this game, it's like, okay, we believe, or I believe, that the Rams and the Seahawks are maybe a step ahead of the Niners.

Speaker 74 But the Niners, when things are clicking,

Speaker 45 are absolutely a team that should be taken seriously in the NFC and can get hot and find their way.

Speaker 32 So obviously beating the Cardinals is never something to celebrate as some great

Speaker 43 victory to put too much thought into.

Speaker 97 But just seeing the team, Connor, at full with their quarterback leading the way, as good as Mac Jones was filling in for Purdy, Purdy is a better player.

Speaker 43 He operates at a higher level, and it was fun watching them dismantle the Arizona Cardinals today.

Speaker 27 The band looked tighter, there's no doubt.

Speaker 27 And while your point is correct, that I think that you're much more worried about those top two teams in the NFC, this team, as presently constructed, will ruin someone's playoffs in the first round as a deep wild card.

Speaker 27 I I think they just will. No one wants to go up against Kyle Shanahan.
And, you know, for better or for worse, I mean, I think they'll make some noise, but that's good.

Speaker 27 I mean, this is a great season in totality for San Francisco. And with Arizona, I think that they're just kind of nearing, edging ever closer to that.
Like, are we going to do a full rebuild?

Speaker 27 Are we going to do a part rebuild? Are we going to keep the coach? Probably not going to keep the coach. So, yeah, I think that's where it's headed at this point.

Speaker 14 Yeah, like it's talk about two different organizations right now.

Speaker 14 Like the the Cardinals suddenly, where I think three months ago this wasn't the case or you weren't thinking this way, face a string of huge decisions. And

Speaker 14 it's like this team has fallen apart.

Speaker 14 And it does it, you know, and it is a huge contrast to the Niners and what Shanahan, with a flood more injuries than the Cardinals have had, you know, in terms of star players and what Shanahan's accomplished minus those guys.

Speaker 14 I thought it was a huge day for Brock Purdy to quiet down whatever whatever would have been the discourse had they ever been nipped in a close game or he had not played well.

Speaker 14 It's like, I like when players just come and shut down what we would have to talk about all week. He just ended it.

Speaker 93 He did.

Speaker 74 He played very well in this game.

Speaker 109 On the Cardinals side, I think they have to make big transactions.

Speaker 97 I feel like the decisions should be easy to make.

Speaker 106 I think the coach has got to go. The coach stinks.

Speaker 109 He hasn't done anything there the whole time he's been there.

Speaker 98 They made 17, they committed 17 penalties.

Speaker 49 That's a team record.

Speaker 103 Dope as hell.

Speaker 111 That's a team record.

Speaker 45 This is a team that is not disciplined, that doesn't know how to close out games, that doesn't seem to be internally a very tight operation.

Speaker 66 I want to give a shout out to Michael Wilson with Marvin Harrison sidelined.

Speaker 43 He goes off for 185 receiving yards.

Speaker 78 So there's a piece there.

Speaker 25 Trey McBride continues to dominate, had another 100 yards and a touchdown in this game.

Speaker 136 He's quietly having one of the better tight end seasons

Speaker 50 of anyone, if not the best.

Speaker 41 But it's a bad team that needs to be blown up.

Speaker 77 And let's see if they do it.

Speaker 131 And the Niners, up next for the Niners, Monday night football against the Panthers.

Speaker 77 So

Speaker 40 that will be kind of a fun watch.

Speaker 54 You never know what you're going to get from that Panthers team.

Speaker 32 But yes, good stuff.

Speaker 92 All right.

Speaker 130 Let's keep.

Speaker 83 Oh, Mark.

Speaker 135 Good job, buddy. That's a nice lock.

Speaker 69 You lock the Niners.

Speaker 14 You know, I went the entire day and didn't even realize that I did that until

Speaker 6 you just mentioned that.

Speaker 92 I feel like there's a lot of pockets of memories that aren't quite locked in right now, but you did.

Speaker 40 I don't really remember you locking the Niners either, but it sounds like a lot of people.

Speaker 14 Well, I was just so simply zoned in on my work duties that I wasn't thinking about, you know, parlor games and side hustles.

Speaker 77 You're a pro.

Speaker 78 You're a pro. Yes, Justin.

Speaker 127 I vividly remember Mark locking the Niners because I was going to, and then I decided... to call an Audible and lock the

Speaker 127 Falcons instead because I don't want to be anybody's lock, bro. I just don't want to do it.

Speaker 14 Under the category of inner monologue, it would have been better for this show than hearing about all that.

Speaker 123 Let's move on to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 59 He's a real thing pain.

Speaker 56 Sounds like the rush song.

Speaker 48 Tom Tom Sawyer. Tom Sawyer.
Yeah.

Speaker 48 Yeah, start this one.

Speaker 127 Modern Day Warrior.

Speaker 41 Oh, you know the lyrics, Justin.

Speaker 133 You know the lyrics to all the songs.

Speaker 59 Ready?

Speaker 87 Take it.

Speaker 48 Three, two, go.

Speaker 59 Right there or where?

Speaker 48 You don't know the words to this one either.

Speaker 127 Modern Day Warrior. I just said it.
Those are the first three words.

Speaker 1 What are the next three?

Speaker 47 Mean, mean, words.

Speaker 127 Today's Tom Sawyer.

Speaker 125 You said you know all the words to every song.

Speaker 48 I didn't say every song.

Speaker 59 That would be a ridiculous thing to claim. You said I know all classic rock.

Speaker 127 I said I know a lot.

Speaker 27 Didn't you say over 14,000 songs?

Speaker 127 I said a thousand out of millions and millions of songs that exist.

Speaker 127 0.01% of all songs.

Speaker 27 14,000, he said.

Speaker 14 One being the alphabet.

Speaker 59 The bad news.

Speaker 127 A lot of them are Christmas carols.

Speaker 48 Jeez.

Speaker 119 Talk about lowering the bar.

Speaker 59 That was a joke. And no jingle bells.
That was a joke.

Speaker 13 Nailed it.

Speaker 48 All right, here we go.

Speaker 146 The bad news, Aaron Rodgers got hurt on Sunday, and it might be a broken wrist on his non-throwing

Speaker 111 arm. Is it hand or arm?

Speaker 83 I don't know.

Speaker 13 The good news, Mason Rudolph guided the team to two long scoring drives after replacing Rodgers, and the Steelers ease past the Bengals 34-12.

Speaker 55 staying on top in the AFC North

Speaker 128 in a game that in addition to finishing it without Aaron Rodgers, it finished without Jalen Ramsey,

Speaker 65 who said that Jamar Chase spit on him, which caused Ramsey to take a swing at the superstar wide receiver.

Speaker 32 Ugly business, but a win for the Steelers and a much-needed win because if they would have found a way to blow this one, the Ravens would be tied with them at top AFC North.

Speaker 74 And yet, the Steelers hold on.

Speaker 32 Now, we'll find out what's going on with Rodgers.

Speaker 25 There was a report from Schefter, as they said, that they believe it might be a break in the wrist.

Speaker 41 And if that is indeed the case, you would expect them to potentially miss time.

Speaker 67 So we'll have an update on that.

Speaker 32 But the other part of this one is,

Speaker 119 Connor, like we were trying to think about it.

Speaker 78 Who was the, we were talking about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 92 And Joe Burrow's like, I'll be back on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 97 Just keep it going. Just keep it going.

Speaker 41 Like, there was another guy who did that.

Speaker 68 It was Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 130 It was Aaron Rodgers on the 2023 New York Jets who had the Achilles tear and he had that ridiculous journey to return by December.

Speaker 91 If the Jets could hang in the race, the Jets thankfully fell out of the race because Rodgers probably would have re-injured himself and he never came back.

Speaker 66 I don't know what happens with Joe Burrow if a similar situation, but the Bengal have now given up 27-plus points in nine straight games.

Speaker 72 That ties the Super Bowl-era record set by the 2020

Speaker 62 Chargers, and it's just a bad team. So, credit Pittsburgh, classic take care of business game, but at a cost because it looks like they lose Rodgers potentially for multiple weeks.

Speaker 6 Woof.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 27 this is

Speaker 27 no one wants to win this division.

Speaker 134 To the Ravens' credit, they seem like they're ready to do it.

Speaker 95 Yeah.

Speaker 55 And the Steelers did take care of business.

Speaker 43 They stomped on a Bengals team that you thought maybe would put up a better fight.

Speaker 91 But yeah, it does seem like it seems like if I had to pick a division that like nine and eight could get it done,

Speaker 123 it could be the North.

Speaker 17 It could be.

Speaker 27 Do you think he retires like this again

Speaker 27 because now it doesn't it sort of reopen the scenario where he could go to minnesota where like where he wanted to the whole time and almost finish his career the way that he wanted to or like do you because i feel like he's searching for something

Speaker 27 And is this the way he walks away with like a broken non-throwing wrist in week 11?

Speaker 32 Well, I don't know how, yeah, I don't know if it might be like a slight fracture or something, like where he only misses a game or so.

Speaker 30 We don't, we don't know yet, but I don't know.

Speaker 66 Like, this has been the other part of the Rodgers' concern was because of his age, is he going to be able to make it through a season?

Speaker 10 And we're going to see. I mean,

Speaker 43 he's been able to keep the offense stable, but he's not a difference maker at this point.

Speaker 41 But yeah, it's just something, it is something to keep an eye on.

Speaker 69 And I feel like I see entirely too much Mason Rudolph in my life every year.

Speaker 40 It's like without fail, we're going to get multiple Mason Rudolph starts.

Speaker 25 And it looks looks like it's going to happen yet again.

Speaker 14 Rudolph's grown that mustache. He sort of looks

Speaker 14 like a cinema villain.

Speaker 14 If you look at Pittsburgh's schedule, because obviously they're in a race just to stay one game above the Ravens until one of these two teams tops out with nine wins, but they play the Ravens twice, but the Steelers also have Detroit, Buffalo, and some other nasty elements there.

Speaker 14 Like, I don't know if they can get this done

Speaker 14 without Rodgers, but although with him, I don't find them to be that powerful either.

Speaker 14 I think, Connor, you asked a question, like, do we ever see him again? I don't think he's going to Minnesota. The Minnesota Vikings are pinning that because we just don't know anything about it yet.

Speaker 93 But you don't know, but yeah.

Speaker 26 We'll have plenty of time to talk about that.

Speaker 68 And some of the Flacco magic didn't exist in this game.

Speaker 67 23 of 38.

Speaker 45 um less than 200 yards passing uh this was his worst game since joining the bengals and it didn't help obviously that couldn't get it going with jamar chase and then jamar Chase got himself thrown out of the game.

Speaker 62 I don't know.

Speaker 97 Could Chase get suspended for that?

Speaker 14 I think it depends

Speaker 14 what comes out of this.

Speaker 77 But yes, right?

Speaker 27 He should be because the league backed into with Jalen Carter the fact that because Jalen Carter did it before the game and then got suspended for the game, that's time served.

Speaker 27 But now they've established the precedent where a spit is a one-game suspension. So theoretically, Jamar Chase should not be allowed to play against the Patriots next week.

Speaker 27 We'll see if the NFL is a backbone and sticks to it because

Speaker 27 you know that they want to build that as like, oh, this is their last chance, whatever, big comeback game. Without Jamar Chase, that team is just dead on arrival in that one.

Speaker 44 I was going to say, you've just made.

Speaker 74 A lot of fantasy owners very nervous about what their week 12 might look like without their

Speaker 56 first round pick.

Speaker 70 All right.

Speaker 145 So the Steelers hold their breath on their quarterback, and they get a win to stay ahead.

Speaker 32 You know, the Browns could have really done the Steelers a favor.

Speaker 35 So maybe that's one way to look at it positively, Mark, that while you didn't get to beat the Ravens who you hate, it doesn't help the Steelers who you also dislike.

Speaker 14 I mean, the Browns do the Steelers a favor most of the times they meet each other in person. So

Speaker 20 Schefter does report it is now, quote, shaping up to be Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph versus the Bears next week.

Speaker 78 So, hey, man, everything keeps coming up.

Speaker 63 Chicago Bears, too, as we see.

Speaker 41 But, all right, let's head one more game to Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 The game that we were told was the most consequential game of the week in terms of playoff ramifications.

Speaker 133 Did you know that, Connor?

Speaker 27 I heard that someone said that based on math.

Speaker 27 We'll never see, you know, based on math, but we'll never see the data points for how we calculate it or put it together or anything. Yeah,

Speaker 96 it's fine.

Speaker 74 I'm just saying like Grady jumped in with a credit on that one real quick.

Speaker 27 There are so many of these things now, and it's almost like AI where we're just taking this shit verbatim. Like I could, I could legitimately go and tweet right now, like, well, Jared Goff is 47%

Speaker 27 completion percentage between 50 degrees and 58 degrees, and that means that on this next drive, and no one would f ⁇ ing check it. And And so math scares people.
I'm just saying,

Speaker 27 let's challenge this shit a little bit. Where are you getting your numbers from, shats?

Speaker 146 This rant is a little more funny, Mark, when this music is underneath Connor.

Speaker 14 It is, and that is a friend of the show, so we'll leave it right there, but love Aaron.

Speaker 140 All right, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they bounce back.

Speaker 44 They had one of their worst collapses in the history of the franchise against the Texans in week 10.

Speaker 134 So what do they do?

Speaker 107 Football doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 45 They turn around and beat the shit out of the Chargers.

Speaker 26 35-6.

Speaker 62 Getting rushing touchdowns from Travis Etienne, Trevor Lawrence,

Speaker 143 Bashul Tutin.

Speaker 49 That was pretty close.

Speaker 127 Bashal Tutin.

Speaker 34 Bishal Tutin.

Speaker 13 And they never even punt in this game.

Speaker 79 I mean, make it make sense.

Speaker 41 I know it's not going to make sense to you,

Speaker 65 Connor, because you lock the Chargers.

Speaker 6 Holy shit.

Speaker 134 Justin, how did this game get away?

Speaker 26 Kind of let that, I want that to build up in you like a volcano.

Speaker 112 We'll give you the words in a moment.

Speaker 68 But Justin, while that volcano continues to build, can you explain to us how this game got away so quickly?

Speaker 127 Yeah, I mean, no, but yes, like the Jags just put good drives together and the Chargers just kept going three and out until it snowballed out of control and the Jags ran the ball down the throats of the Chargers.

Speaker 127 They had, hang on, I got to pull this up because it is, it is a truly eye-popping number, not just the total rushing yards, 47 carries.

Speaker 127 When was the last time you even saw a game where one team ran the ball 47 times for 192 yards?

Speaker 95 Like,

Speaker 127 that was why they were able to dominate. But also the Jacks defense,

Speaker 127 the tandem of Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker put these backup Chargers tackles in absolute hell. They pressured Justin Herbert on 50% of his drop backs, which was a season high for Jacksonville.

Speaker 127 And Trey Lance was in this game with 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter. Like, it was just no contest.

Speaker 14 Had this score gone in the other, if you flipped it, I wouldn't have been surprised.

Speaker 43 I would have bought it. Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 14 Like this, this raises concerns because I think that the Chargers' whole concept

Speaker 14 when they had those tackles was like, we want to control how a game looks and we're going to do it our way, and we're going to bludgeon you.

Speaker 14 And to see that they were just dominated on both sides of the ball that way, it kind of opens the door to like, what is this team? I was a big bounce back then for the Jaguars.

Speaker 143 How about this? I'll throw this to you, Connor.

Speaker 74 I'll set you up this way because nobody likes to get beat on a lock like this. But sometimes, no matter pretty much any team, there's a bury the ball game where just everything goes poorly.

Speaker 40 And it's just like, this was a bad trip to Duval. Just like many, many millions of other people have had bad trips to Duval County.

Speaker 40 This was their bad trip to Duval County, and they are on a plane out of there and just forget about it. And you could forget about the lock, and everybody can move on.

Speaker 27 Yeah, I mean, I'm like three games ahead of all of you. So this is just like, yeah, calm down, pipe down.

Speaker 7 It's not that personal quick.

Speaker 119 It's either two or one, but go on.

Speaker 27 I think it's closer to three. And the second part of this.

Speaker 95 What does that even mean?

Speaker 101 Closer to three.

Speaker 27 The second part of this is I had Seahawks, and then my other two games went to overtime.

Speaker 27 So don't f with my shit in the Patreon awards for the, for this week either, because don't hit out guaranteed win.

Speaker 100 And that's a totally different competition.

Speaker 135 That's totally different.

Speaker 27 They are, but they aren't, because I can already feel, you know, this groundswell of like, we knocked me off after two straight victories in the Patreon, and now we're trying to knock me out of the lockoff standings.

Speaker 27 Like, I can feel all this coming up.

Speaker 74 You're kind of, you positioned yourself, and Mark, let me know if you agree, as the heavy in the competition, the guy that everyone loves to beat.

Speaker 118 And it's just like,

Speaker 87 you got to let us, we're going to stomp on your grave a little bit in a big spot here on this Sunday night to catch up.

Speaker 14 Connor, this got personal very quick.

Speaker 14 I didn't

Speaker 14 hang this over your head,

Speaker 14 but right punching out, kicking out, biting. Right.

Speaker 95 You bury the ball, Connor.

Speaker 118 How about that?

Speaker 32 You go in your spacious backyard that's probably 40 times bigger than mine in New Jersey with all your trees and your turf and you dig something up and you throw a football in there and you forget about it.

Speaker 27 I'll bury someone's balls.

Speaker 138 Oh.

Speaker 4 Oh, and I'm looking at him.

Speaker 77 All right, here we go.

Speaker 30 Here we go.

Speaker 61 I'm going to let Mark choose one crazy person to hear from on this game.

Speaker 122 Either the Jaguars coach Liam Cohen or the Chargers coach Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 44 One crazy.

Speaker 14 I'm going to go Harbaugh.

Speaker 4 All right. Crazy Harbaugh.

Speaker 142 We just weren't doing anything well.

Speaker 142 Offensively,

Speaker 152 we weren't running the ball well. We weren't protecting.
We weren't getting open.

Speaker 103 And defensively, you know, same.

Speaker 142 We

Speaker 142 weren't stopping the run, we were losing coverage.

Speaker 110 Yeah, I mean, go through every phase.

Speaker 142 And

Speaker 152 we got beat every way you could get beat.

Speaker 143 It was a tough day.

Speaker 14 When you fly home, that's a long flight, but like, do you have to pretend like you're sad, even if you are kind of over it on the plane itself? Like,

Speaker 27 you you have to do what Shador did after the Browns game which is to sit on the bench and performatively act so upset that everyone around you is certain you're upset yes there is like I think there is a little bit of play acting that goes with that okay

Speaker 127 all right one last thing just to button up this game personally the Jags 30 first downs chargers eight that sums it up pretty well second thing this is the um biggest lopsided score I've ever seen in which the winning quarterback played terrible.

Speaker 127 Trevor Lawrence was terrible in this game, and it didn't matter because they could run the ball so well. But the six and four jags with Lawrence as captain of the ship.

Speaker 125 You know, this is this is classic graver, like AFC South.

Speaker 21 Like, I'm just going to hate on anybody.

Speaker 68 They didn't punt Justin.

Speaker 127 He was not. He threw a really bad interception, and they didn't punt because on fourth and something short from midfield, he overthrows a receiver by 12 yards.
It It wasn't even close to his target.

Speaker 127 So those two

Speaker 122 35-6, Justin.

Speaker 126 This is how you want to put a bow in this game?

Speaker 125 Well, by telling us how bad Trevor Lawrence was?

Speaker 127 There's a fakeness to this to watch out for down the stretch of the season.

Speaker 79 You know, I do see it, Mark.

Speaker 130 I'll see fans of AFC South teams get mad at our producer because he always does this.

Speaker 95 It's just what he does.

Speaker 75 He always buries,

Speaker 41 whenever the AFC South team that's not the Titans wins, there's always a spin like this.

Speaker 123 That's not true.

Speaker 127 I talked very highly about the Colts this year.

Speaker 14 You have. In a pick your spots kind of way, I just buried the Ravens out of just spite and 25 plus years of irritation.
But,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 both of us could be more professional, Justin. You and I both.

Speaker 127 Josh Hines Allen.

Speaker 127 New franchise leader and sacks for the Jags.

Speaker 49 There you go.

Speaker 127 Positive.

Speaker 95 Okay.

Speaker 95 All right, good.

Speaker 134 Positive, a positive week 11. We loved this week 11.

Speaker 119 We had a lot of fun. We hope you enjoyed the show.

Speaker 84 We'll be back on Monday night.

Speaker 74 It is Monday night football.

Speaker 59 What is it?

Speaker 43 The Cowboys and Raiders?

Speaker 49 What? Yes.

Speaker 126 Hey, we're going to cover that game.

Speaker 45 And then also, Mark and I are going to hit the power rankings, which are going to be very interesting after this crazy fun week.

Speaker 40 And hopefully, we are off Farbucks radar for yet another week.

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