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Speaker 1 Hey, Ceci.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 1 Monday night. You know what that means.
We're going to talk about a big Cowboys win in prime time, big losses to the Bengals and Falcons for different reasons. And yes, you know you're waiting for it.

Speaker 1 The return of the Heed the Call power rankings.

Speaker 4 Dan Hansis shout out.

Speaker 1 Wow, thank you, Paul Rudd. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Heyo!

Speaker 1 Welcome to Heed the Call,

Speaker 1 an NFL podcast, the Monday Night Edition. Dan Hans is here with Mark Sessler,

Speaker 1 Justin Graver on the ones and twos.

Speaker 1 Hi, Ceci.

Speaker 4 How are you? You've been out, you've been, you've traveled across the country. You're out east.
It's been a trek. It's been a journey, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 I have a early morning flight back to Los Angeles tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 I have now moved from

Speaker 1 the Tony apartment penthouse in Manhattan to a gritty

Speaker 1 Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn apartment filled with artists.

Speaker 1 As you can see behind me, there are many guitars, none of which I could play beyond the opening chords of glycerine by Bush.

Speaker 4 Well, that alone is a talent. But yeah, you've gone into

Speaker 4 a Bohemian grove of some sort. And

Speaker 4 I applaud you for that, but we want you back in L.A. at some point.
And I think that wrapping this show would get you closer to the airplane, the airport, the travel.

Speaker 1 Yes, I've had a great time here in New York, but I guess it will give you some peace because you had had concerns earlier in my stay about whether I would come home. Yes, I miss my children.

Speaker 1 I miss my wife. I miss my dog.
I won't even put in an otter, like where everybody comes down on that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I miss the comforts of my

Speaker 1 quasi-urban-suburban experience

Speaker 1 in my hometown, adopted hometown in California. So I'm ready to come home, but it's been great to spend time with my brother, Kevin, my bosom buddy Bob.

Speaker 1 Saw a bunch of friends, ate some steak, listened to music, played a bunch of pool,

Speaker 1 and yes, recorded a bunch of podcasts. So

Speaker 1 we're going to do one more.

Speaker 1 We're going to do one more, and it's going to be a show where we unveil the latest power rankings. We're also going to

Speaker 1 dig into some news, some big news involving quarterbacks whose seasons are in peril, a big suspension, maybe not in terms of affecting the Super Bowl chase, but certainly your fantasy team potentially.

Speaker 1 We'll get to that. But first, let's talk about Monday Night Football, Ceci, shall we?

Speaker 4 Yes, we shall.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 It was in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 I mean, what a disgrace. I've already done my rant, by the way, on one of the great brands, Sess Dog,

Speaker 1 the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's

Speaker 1 Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Desert, you know, on Monday Night Football.

Speaker 1 Stadium filled with Dallas fans, and they they got a lot.

Speaker 1 They got what they came for. A Cowboys win, 33 to 16.

Speaker 1 Dak Prescott, 25 of 33, four touchdowns, no interceptions. Just, you know, when Dak gets locked in, it's really a lot of fun to watch.
He's just such a great quarterback.

Speaker 1 And it helps when you have CeeDee Lamb

Speaker 1 and George Pickens, who I believe, why don't we start here, Mark? I believe...

Speaker 1 There's a strong case to be made, but that that is the best one-two punch in football right now. And as much as we want to dismiss the Cowboys as

Speaker 1 a team to really take seriously at 4-5-1,

Speaker 1 and with those three central players in Dak, Lamb, Pickens,

Speaker 1 they can give a lot of teams a hard time and hang around in this playoff race. And they stomped a very bad Raiders team tonight.

Speaker 4 They did. It's an interesting combo because they've only been together, you know, for this autumn, and they look like they could be the best.
I mean, there's T.

Speaker 4 Higgins and Jamar Chase, too, but that depends on the quarterback being available.

Speaker 4 Pickens to me feels like such a Jerry Jones player. Like, you know, I thought Troy Aikman had an interesting comment tonight.
It involves George Pickens. It involves Quinnen Williams.

Speaker 4 It involves Kenny Clark.

Speaker 4 Jerry Jones is the eternal optimist, that no matter what the record is, he believes they're going to make the playoffs. And he's made these moves.
And like, I kind of watched their defense.

Speaker 4 I know you're playing the Raiders, so it's not an acid test, but they just look different tonight. But Pickens, man, like we saw it with the Steelers in spurts, and he was dominant tonight.

Speaker 4 Now, the two of no, him and CeeDee Lamb were, we don't know exactly the reason yet. We probably will very soon.

Speaker 4 They were held out of the first series for disciplinary reasons,

Speaker 4 which speaks to me about Brian Schottenheimer, who I think has done a really good job with,

Speaker 4 you know, if you think about what's happened, like they, Marshawn Nealon, you know, tragically passes away. He keeps them together during their bye week.

Speaker 4 Quinnen Williams comes in, has one and a half sacks tonight. They just feel like a little bit kind of like, okay,

Speaker 4 the Cowboys might be one of these weird teams that does a little bit of a trick down the, down the, the, the stretch here and becomes a factor.

Speaker 4 I mean, they feel like they've got a little spice to them. And it's hard not to believe in some of the players that are on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 4 I don't want to overstate it. It's the Raiders, but like,

Speaker 4 they're just a weird team.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're weird.

Speaker 4 Well, that's my word.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, I guess it depends on what your version of weird is. I think we know who they are.
They have great offensive talent.

Speaker 1 They have a head coach and play caller in Brian Schottheimer that I think has exceeded expectations of many, including my own.

Speaker 1 But they can't play any defense. Now, the Quinnon Williams, oh, and a stunner that a guy gets traded from the Jets and then has his best game of the year.
Not surprised.

Speaker 4 It's an annoyance to you while you're literally in Jets' territory.

Speaker 1 No, but I legitimately like that guy, and he wasn't part of the Jets' future.

Speaker 1 And I'm rooting for him. So I was happy to see him play well, and he is a big lift to that defensive line that needed it.
And they got reinforcements in

Speaker 1 really at all three levels of their defense as well.

Speaker 1 So it's better. It is a better defense.
We were talking about that trade

Speaker 1 that they made and they got killed for giving up a first and a second to get Quinn.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, and even Troy Aikman on Monday Night Football is like, I don't know, this team is not one trade away. Sure, okay.

Speaker 1 But the goal here is to make a run. The goal here for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is to win the nine or 10 games that gets them into the playoffs.
And then, you know, whatever happens, happens.

Speaker 1 So they're willing to roll the dice and maybe

Speaker 1 under perhaps the mistaken impression that they get hot in January when maybe the best case scenario here, Cesee, really, is that they sneak in the back door of the playoffs and they get absolutely blasted in the first round.

Speaker 1 I think we could all see it. But let's not be mean to them.
But let's also be real, Mark. Like, they sure did look good against the Raiders who are hideous at poorly run,

Speaker 1 talent poor.

Speaker 1 Poor Max Crosby on that one blown assignment on fourth and goal when they hit Jake Ferguson for the touchdown. Ferguson goes uncovered.
This is one of the breakout tight ends in the league.

Speaker 1 Crosby spins his head around and sees that nobody picked up Ferguson.

Speaker 4 And you could tell he's like, what the f am I doing here?

Speaker 1 Like, why am I here?

Speaker 1 You are unserious.

Speaker 1 And we could talk a little bit more about that later. But the next three games for the Cowboys, there's going to be a lot of reality, I think, Mark, because they have home Eagles, home Chiefs.

Speaker 1 I think that's Thanksgiving night or Thanksgiving afternoon. And then at Detroit.
Jesus, Thursday night football. That's a rock.

Speaker 4 That is a, that is your medicine.

Speaker 1 So here's the, here's the goal, I guess. And if you're a Cowboys fan listening tonight's show, first of all, congratulations.
That was a fun game.

Speaker 1 We got to win one of those games. You got to find a way not to get swept.
And that's your season. So you don't need to win them all.

Speaker 1 You might not even need to win more than one, but you can't lose all three.

Speaker 1 Can this team do that? We'll see.

Speaker 4 I don't want to seem

Speaker 4 overly optimistic about the Cowboys is a wrong way to go in general. But like

Speaker 4 tonight, I thought they looked like a different type of team to me against a very bad opponent. That is...
That may be the crucible that ends them, though. That three-game stretch.

Speaker 4 That's really rough.

Speaker 4 I think what I'm wondering when you get Williams and you get Kenny Clark, are they trying to build themselves, if they are even focused enough on this, to beat a team like the Eagles, to beat a ground-heavy

Speaker 4 offensive line dominant type team? Like maybe that's what they're trying to do. It's hard to do that on the fly.

Speaker 4 I think that that within three weeks, it feels like we could be talking about a team that is focusing on

Speaker 4 next year. So I'm going to reserve my over-optimism.
And in fact, I almost retract it from earlier in the episode here.

Speaker 1 I don't like when you

Speaker 4 would be.

Speaker 1 It's like when you take a stand and stick with it, Mark. Say the Cowboys are weird.
You know what would be weird if the Cowboys are weird to me.

Speaker 1 If they win, they're not going to be weird, though, to me until they do something weird, which is do something unexpected. Like win two of three over the next three weeks.

Speaker 4 They could be kind of weird. I think they could beat the Chiefs.
I just feel like that could be the one that they snatch. I just kind of feel it like the Chiefs are also weird, right? Is that a weird?

Speaker 4 Is that

Speaker 1 snatch like that? I didn't like how you said that.

Speaker 1 I apologize. Yeah, let's see.
What else? Yeah, Pete Carroll. I don't remember where we had him on the hotbot rankings, but

Speaker 4 it probably. Does he want to do this? Does he feel like

Speaker 1 Stop here? That's the one thing I feel Pete loves it. I mean, Pete lives for this, and I think it would be unfair not to give him more than one year, but they're not making any progress right now.

Speaker 1 This just seems to be a team kind of just stuck in mud.

Speaker 1 And, you know, again, like if you're going to pick Ashton Gente, if you're going to take a running back, top 10 in the draft, you got to give him the ball.

Speaker 1 He had two carries in the first half of this game. They have Geno Smith, who's been, you know, a bottom 12 quarterback all year, just slinging it over and over and over again.
And it's just like,

Speaker 1 I struggle with it. Then they're cutting upstairs to Mark Davis.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I'm getting flashbacks of all the Super Bowls where we would walk by the hotel bar of the league hotel and Al Davis, Mark Davis, would be wearing this exact same white long sleeve t-shirt, white like

Speaker 1 Levi's jeans, or not even Levi's, it's probably Wrangler jeans, white sneakers with a bunch of women, like young women that are half his age. Like they cut to him.

Speaker 1 It's like, what is going on with this team?

Speaker 4 It's like hot. Here's the hot news update.
Women like billionaires.

Speaker 1 I don't even think he is, though. Isn't he like one of the

Speaker 4 fringe billionaire?

Speaker 1 He's got more money than us.

Speaker 4 They're directionless. And I think part of it is like, if

Speaker 4 Pete Carroll stays, and I think he doesn't want to go out this way, Chip Kelly is the one that is out of here. Like, whatever innovative tactics we thought we could attach to Chip Kelly are gone.

Speaker 4 Geno Smith throws the ball 42 times tonight. They run the ball for 27 yards.
Like, isn't that completely opposite of

Speaker 4 what we thought the identity would be be going into this year with this rookie running back? Like, they're a failed product. They have no identity.

Speaker 4 I can't remember a lot of Pete Carroll teams with no identity.

Speaker 1 Mark, Justin has some breaking news. Are you okay with us bringing him in here?

Speaker 4 Absolutely, if it's truly breaking news.

Speaker 5 I don't know if it's breaking news, but you guys were wondering who is in this photo with Mark Davis and the woman who's named, if you're watching on YouTube there on the screen, Cindy Blackman Santana.

Speaker 5 Joe Buck said during the broadcast that she plays the drums for the Monday night football intro unless I misheard him if so correct me in the comments but I'm pretty sure that's what he said yeah and if like if you're starting if you're starting to type a correction and you're like this is kind of annoying to do don't worry about it we're cool um

Speaker 1 let's see let's okay let's check in mark on to your point where's pete carrolls enthusiasm left uh at let's see how he's chewing his gum during what uh his halftime interview when he was asked about adjustments that need to be made in a game that had already spun out of control.

Speaker 3 How can your offense continue to climb back in this thing, getting the ball to start the second half?

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 we have a lot of things we have to do better. Both sides of the ball, we got to stop them on defense.
I'm really surprised. We're struggling as much as we have so far.

Speaker 6 We've just got to finish these drives off. We've been down there for three times in the touchdowns.
We have to do something with that.

Speaker 3 What specific adjustments do you want to see on defense?

Speaker 6 Well, it always starts with a running game.

Speaker 1 They're getting it done with number three.

Speaker 6 You know, he's been wide open a couple times. We just saw some stuff that we had.
We thought we would get him.

Speaker 6 So we just got to just clean things up and tighten down, see if we can give ourselves a chance to get back in it.

Speaker 1 He's kind of messing with Laura Rutledge. When she asked about the offense, he talked defense.
When she asked about the defense, he talked about the offense.

Speaker 1 I guess to put a bow on this, yes, the Raiders have no home field advantage anymore. They have no real identity.

Speaker 1 And they're a team that's clearly in need of a rebuild from the studs. And they have the the oldest coach in the NFL.
Something just doesn't quite seem lined up here.

Speaker 4 It's an odd household.

Speaker 1 I mean, and then you look at the owner. Just look at him.
Like, the whole thing is a little weird with the Raiders, and it just feels like it's been that way for a long time.

Speaker 1 I wonder if Al, Mark's still, I keep calling him Al. He ain't Al Davis.

Speaker 1 I wonder if Mark still cuts his own hair.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I'm hoping by, I hope this Mark, me, by year three of this show, that that will be my haircut.
I hope that I think that would serve us well broadcast-wise.

Speaker 1 It would give you a little bit of an edge. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 4 Not sure in what direction, but yes.

Speaker 1 There you go. Monday night football, and that's week 11 in the books.
Let's take a break. And when we get back, we're going to hit the news, then the power rankings.

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Speaker 1 All right, we are back. Now we spin forward.
It's been a bit of a newsy day in our league. Let's do some, you know,

Speaker 1 news.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do f ⁇ ing on football after that.

Speaker 1 Respectfully.

Speaker 1 I get it. Jalen Ramsey.
Like, Jalen Ramsey gets ejected

Speaker 1 in an important game for the Steelers because Jamar Chase spit on his chest. Like,

Speaker 1 what is this? This is the year of spitting, Mark.

Speaker 1 First, it was Jalen Carter in the season opener with a trillion people watching on Thursday night getting ejected before the first play of a game for spitting on Dak Prescott, as I recall, or spitting at his feet.

Speaker 1 I don't remember. And no, he spat on Dak Prescott after Dak spit near Jalen Carter.
Correct. And now you have this situation.

Speaker 1 Jamar Chase is now suspended. And we kind of called this on the Sunday show that precedent had already been set through Jalen Carter, who was essentially suspended without pay for his deed.

Speaker 1 Once it was clear based on the video, and I think we're showing it here if you want to check it on YouTube. Once it was clear, that's what Chase had done with Ramsey.

Speaker 1 A suspension had to be coming, and it has. So he is suspended for week 12.
He is appealing the suspension, but don't hold your breath on that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't think that appeal is going to carry much weight. I mean, I don't know.
Like,

Speaker 4 I feel like when these things happen, there's a lot of verbiage and

Speaker 4 spite and anger that are happening between players that we don't see until we see the final. moment that we're all talking about.

Speaker 4 So I'm not sure what in context, what else happened here, but the Bengals, you're hanging on by a thread. You are the best player on the Bengals.

Speaker 4 Their season depends on your availability, and you've removed your availability, and you now play the Patriots. So,

Speaker 4 barring something unforeseen or a flacco miracle involving other people,

Speaker 4 your season's over. And it doesn't really matter if Joe Burrow comes back, if you keep losing games.
And this was the perfect setup to fall off a cliff.

Speaker 1 It's a stupid, selfish,

Speaker 1 short-sighted

Speaker 1 by Chase. He deserves the suspension.

Speaker 1 Anybody that don't spit on people.

Speaker 1 It's just like, what is it?

Speaker 1 It's so childish and silly and gross. And I know what it's supposed to be.
It's like a get the F out of my face. And then it's kind of a disrespectful gesture, but just be smarter.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of cameras everywhere, especially if you're Jamar Chase, especially if you're Jalen Carter,

Speaker 1 and you're jawing with a potential future Hall of Famer in Jalen Ramsey. Just like, keep your shit together.
It's what a mess. And congratulations, Patriots fans.

Speaker 1 I just feel like everything is coming up New England in this bounce back season after the long, dark winter of,

Speaker 1 you know, about half a decade. So they'll roll to another win.

Speaker 1 And eventually they'll, you know, have two weeks in a row where they beat somebody that's worth a damn. In other news, the Falcons

Speaker 1 could be without Michael Pennix for the rest of the season. He is headed to injured reserve after

Speaker 1 aggravating a bone bruise and knee sprain from earlier in the season that, according to NFL media, he's got damage to his ACL as well, Ceci.

Speaker 1 And that could mean he needs to get that done.

Speaker 1 And that sucks. And Kirk Cousins, who has struggled in limited duty this year, could be taking it home for the Falcons, who, I don't know.
All right, I'll spin this positive, Mark.

Speaker 1 Like, Falcons fans might not want to hear this, but you've already lost five in a row.

Speaker 1 Might as well enter the Derby for the top five picks at this point because the season's over. Oh, wait, well, they lost their pick to the Rams.
That's the killer here.

Speaker 4 That's the, that's the reverse jackpot. Like, the Rams, like, look

Speaker 4 like massive

Speaker 4 fans at this point.

Speaker 1 Geniuses. They traded.
That's right. They traded a late first-round pick, right?

Speaker 1 What they thought was going to be a late first-round pick, at least, to the Rams to move up and get that second pass rusher, which has been a net balance positive for Falcons because their pass rush has been much better this season.

Speaker 1 But now they're going to go like 4-13 potentially.

Speaker 1 And they're going to hand over

Speaker 4 like a top seven pick.

Speaker 1 Oh, Maron.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 4 you've been on this beat, but the Falcons season has spun into

Speaker 4 the eye of the tornado and the rest of the tornado is about to come. Drake London also suffered a PCL sprain.
I think one of the biggest issues inside of all of this,

Speaker 4 win or loss record, is that Michael Penix, you know, we only saw a few games from him last year. It's been hot or cold this year.

Speaker 4 It's like, and now you lose what would be eight more starts to find out if this is your quarterback or not, if he's the guy. And like,

Speaker 4 there is, there is weird and mystic. I don't mean to keep calling all these teams weird, but like they are left with a lot of unanswered questions.

Speaker 4 And, you know, it's like Kirk Cousins can't play at this point. Michael Penix was needing a lot more experience and a lot more playing time to find out who they were.

Speaker 4 Because when they've been good, they've been watchable. But when they've been bad, they've been really

Speaker 4 a strange team that probably will lose their coach. So the Falcons are like,

Speaker 4 we're at this point, breaking news for some of these teams is like, they are leaving us. And the Falcons are leaving us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I couldn't, yeah. I know you caught yourself there.
Another team to me that is not weird, that is not mysterious. They stink and they don't have a good head coach.

Speaker 1 And the quarterback, the young quarterback is very much,

Speaker 1 it's open for debate whether he's a difference maker, but they have skill players. They have special players.

Speaker 1 It could be a good job if it is indeed the end of the road for Raheem Morris.

Speaker 1 And if it's not the end of the road and he comes back and they just fired the offensive coordinator, who's been a mess, Robinson, which that's probably what they'll do unless this thing gets really ugly,

Speaker 1 they're going to be tied for Pennix for another year.

Speaker 1 But, you know, given the timing of this injury, as we were edging into late November, if he doesn't get the surgery till December, it could really affect the offseason plans.

Speaker 1 You know, the Falcons, you guys are so annoying. And when they made that trade with the Rams, everyone was scratching their head

Speaker 1 because it just felt like

Speaker 1 a big price to pay to get back into the first round.

Speaker 1 And look at you now. Just, you got to do the George Costanza thing.
You just got to be bizarro. Do the opposite of what you think you should do.

Speaker 1 Because whenever you think you've outsmarted the league, you're just one of those teams. Take it from me.
I'm a Jets fan. Don't think you're smart.
You're not. And whatever.

Speaker 4 One quick thing is like Raheem Morris came from the Rams. So I think he was trying to like tussle with the way that they do things, which is like they'll sell the farm to get the one player they want.

Speaker 4 And it did kind of work from the one player standpoint, but in no other way. And it's now you're sitting on

Speaker 4 a big old pile of trash.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is a team that, yeah, I mean, like I said,

Speaker 1 they have a pretty good roster,

Speaker 1 certainly a roster that could be improved in places, but

Speaker 1 so they're not like the team I would put it the highest up that was like, oh, they absolutely can't forfeit a first-round pick, especially if they believe they got value out of it in terms of the return.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. It just seems like everything since 28-3, everything for the most part that this team touches turns to stone.

Speaker 1 Shout out Falcons fans. I don't say this to be a jerk.
I think you guys get it too.

Speaker 1 It's just a frustrating experience, and that's a bummer for Pennix, who was actually playing really well when he got hurt on Sunday. All right.
You mentioned London, PCL sprain.

Speaker 1 By the way, Aaron Rodgers, this from Rapsheet,

Speaker 1 he had tests Monday on that wrist. There were some reports that it was a slight fracture, I believe, is what they called it, Mark, potentially.

Speaker 1 But the tests Monday will determine when they get, I guess, the results, whether he can grip a football and whether he's going to potentially risk further injury by playing.

Speaker 1 And it's described as 50-50 that he might even play on Sunday. So I guess best case scenario there for the Steelers.

Speaker 4 That's a very,

Speaker 4 that division is a bizarro world.

Speaker 4 I think Mason Rudolph probably can come in and win you a game as a backup.

Speaker 4 But the Rodgers thing, it's like just the sustainable overall long-term health of him. And when we talk about him gripping a football, I don't know.

Speaker 4 It feels like the kind of injury we'll see, but like you might find out he's out for longer than we think.

Speaker 4 It's not he's like a spry young body healing quicker than we would expect.

Speaker 1 He's a tough dude, though.

Speaker 1 absolutely not be surprised at all if he plays. Now whether he's able to play the guitar, like one of these guitars.
Maybe I'll play Goliserine at the end of the show.

Speaker 4 You should. Does he believe in guitars? We don't know what he, like, where his theories are on anything.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers, I'm sure he has taken out many an acoustic guitar to woo like his invisible wife.

Speaker 1 or

Speaker 1 any number of past flames. You know he's playing Anna Begins by counting crows.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I mean, if he can do that, I kind of, it improves my feelings about him off the field to some degree if he's going to play Anna Begins.

Speaker 1 And Anna begins to change her mind.

Speaker 1 And every time she sneezes, I believe it's loving.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 I guess you have like seven guitars behind you. What is, like, what is, what happens at this conference?

Speaker 1 I was teeing you up to finish the Durritz lyric there. And every time she sneezes, sneezes, I believe it's love.
And oh,

Speaker 1 I'm not

Speaker 1 ready for this sort of thing. Well, Sessler, I thought you were a crow's head.
I'm not.

Speaker 4 I enjoy the Counting Crows. We went to a Counting Crows concert last.

Speaker 1 You don't know. Did you know those lyrics, Justin? You know thousands of lyrics.
I was letting you control that.

Speaker 5 I do not. I've never got into the crows.
And I'm also scared, Dan, that you're going to get us a copyright flag on.

Speaker 1 It was so dead on. It was so melodious that it's like, uh-oh, all the bots are streaming towards our show.

Speaker 1 Finally, in the news, Giants' number three pick, Abdul Carter,

Speaker 1 was benched for the first possession on Sunday after missing a team walkthrough earlier in the week because he was asleep at the facility, per Dan Dugan.

Speaker 1 Oh, booy.

Speaker 1 There's some reporting leaking out. By the way, Carter was drafted as a generational talent.

Speaker 1 What is it? Out of UNC, Gravy? Penn State. Penn State, excuse me, top three pick, I believe, if I'm not mistaken.
Number three.

Speaker 5 Number three.

Speaker 1 And being late to meetings has been an issue during Carter's rookie season, something former coach Brian Dable often lets slide, as per the Duggan reporting.

Speaker 1 Carter responds to reports on social media. When the hate don't work, they start telling lies.
In a now deleted tweet,

Speaker 1 my only takeaway from this, Sussie, is like,

Speaker 1 just shut up. Yeah.
You fell asleep in the meeting. It's a reason.
Nobody's framing you. And now that it's getting reported,

Speaker 1 don't do this thing. Like, when the hate don't work, they start telling lies.
Like,

Speaker 1 if you ain't got haters, you ain't popping type shit. You got more haters you want.
No, bro. You're not being a professional.
You're young. You can learn from this.
But how about, I got an idea.

Speaker 1 Mark, I have an idea. Sure.

Speaker 4 Accountability. Yeah, well,

Speaker 4 that's a far-fetched concept.

Speaker 4 You know, the drifting off. You're drifting off.
You're a little tired.

Speaker 4 It made me think of when I lived in Boulder many years ago. I lived in a...
you know this. I lived in a farmhouse with like six o'clock.

Speaker 1 Six old yarn.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, it's not an old, this is a different aspect of it. But I had a friend friend that I didn't have a car.
So like we were, we decided to get attempt jobs at a

Speaker 4 mall during Christmas season where they

Speaker 4 our job was to unpack boxes and take pillows out in like a Macy's type place or a Nordstroms or something. And this guy was a character and like he knew that I'd be reliable.
Typical old story.

Speaker 4 And like there was a

Speaker 4 back room with a ladder that led to a loft filled with hundreds of pillows and blankets that were not out on the floor to be bought. And he'd go up there and sleep.

Speaker 4 He'd smoke like three cigarettes and go

Speaker 4 sleep for two hours while I worked.

Speaker 1 Probably more than cigarettes. Probably more than just tobacco in those, I would think.

Speaker 4 There was more than tobacco, Justin would know. So I'm just saying, like, we all have friends that sleep on the job.
And

Speaker 1 okay,

Speaker 1 I guess I'll just throw in there, Mark, that I'm sure you were making about $5 an hour at that time

Speaker 1 for that job. Abdul Carter signed a four-year $45.255 million rookie contract, which was fully guaranteed.
It includes

Speaker 1 $29.55 million signing bonus.

Speaker 1 You should probably stay awake. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Where do you think in the building he's sleeping? I think that's another interesting. I just want to know more.
I want to get Connor on this.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I am happy.

Speaker 5 I saw a report that the sleeping stuff happened in a, what are they, like the training area?

Speaker 5 Like, I would buy that he's getting a massage after a workout or something, and he dozed off maybe, and then somebody

Speaker 5 took it and ran it the wrong way, and now he's coming out tweeting, it's a lie. Like, I did fall asleep, but it wasn't in a team meeting, but I, okay,

Speaker 5 it's hard to know where this is all going.

Speaker 1 Ownership, accountability. Agreed.
Don't sleep at the team facility. Justin.

Speaker 4 Pro-millionaire napping on Justin.

Speaker 1 It's also, according to the reporting, Justin, not the first time, unless he's taking a little tiger snooze while he's getting his hamstring worked on by the trainer, but that doesn't sound like what's been happening here.

Speaker 5 I agree. And I think ultimately, as like you can sort this out in the building with your coaches, with your teammates, and get to the bottom of who's right, who's wrong.

Speaker 5 But to the media and the public, as a player, you just have to say everything is your fault all the time.

Speaker 5 That's just what a player talking to the media, no matter if it's falling asleep or throwing an interception or whatever, like as a player, you should just always say, Yeah, it's my fault.

Speaker 5 That's what you should do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's also

Speaker 1 like it

Speaker 1 just be real, be real and be accountable. That's all.
Like, you don't have to follow a fall on a grenade.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I messed up and I won't do it again because I understand I'm a vital part of this organization and its hope to turn around its fortunes and be taken seriously after years in the swamps of Jersey.

Speaker 1 And instead, I'm sending out a a tweet when the hate don't work they start telling lies okay right you that was the that lever

Speaker 1 was unneeded but you know what it's very late in New York I don't have time for that bullshit you know what I mean

Speaker 1 all right let's that's it that's what's happening in the news let's take a break and then we'll check in on the power rankings

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Speaker 1 Wow. You're playing with power.
According to Dan Hansa's power ranking.

Speaker 1 Yes, the official power rankings of record. Heed the call.
This is what most people are here for, Mark. They want to know where their team comes down as we enter the

Speaker 1 really what I see is the home stretch of the 2025 regular season.

Speaker 4 It is. And it's also, you know, the shared exercise is how many, how do we rank the many canceled individuals in our lead up

Speaker 4 highlight film there? Like there are some concerning individuals. Thank you, Justin, for including them.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Old Justin, innocent until proven, guilty, grave.

Speaker 5 I remember when Dan and I were building that out, I said, like, should should we avoid the Kevin Spacey or include the Kevin Spacey? And we decided it's our show. We're going to include it because

Speaker 5 it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 It's our show.

Speaker 5 It's funny. So why not?

Speaker 1 All right, here we go. Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 As I prepare to play glycerine to end the show,

Speaker 1 1996 Bush Classic.

Speaker 1 You know, if only you could play guitar and look like Gavin Rossdale. I mean, it's unfair, Mark, how it works out in society.

Speaker 4 Yes, well, you checked all boxes if that were the case.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get into it. Tier one.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 stability atop the power rankings. Thank you, LA Rams, for closing out that game against the Rams.

Speaker 1 Or I guess we should say thank you to Jason Myers, the kicker, for the Seahawks, who was unable to steal that game. So the Rams

Speaker 1 take a

Speaker 1 lead in the NFC West by themselves. And as a result, they stay at number one.
And it's also a what, Justin?

Speaker 1 Connect for

Speaker 1 I don't agree.

Speaker 4 I still don't know about the sound effect, but sure.

Speaker 1 The Eagles are at number two in the power rankings.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 were pretty much aligned on this one, too. Dan, Mark,

Speaker 1 and Connor all have them at two. Justin at three.
That's up three spots to number two after they really

Speaker 1 did a number on the Lions on Sunday night football. The Patriots, they take care of business against the Jets on Thursday night football, up one spot to three.
The Bills,

Speaker 1 they put up a ton of points with Josh Allen scoring six touchdowns against Baker Mayfield and the Bucs. They move up three spots to number four.

Speaker 1 And the Seahawks, I was wondering where everybody would come down to the Seahawks. Oh, my God, Graver.

Speaker 1 I have a major bum to pick with you guys, but go ahead and read it off. Okay, I will read it off.
We have the Seahawks down three spots to five. I had the Seahawks at eight.

Speaker 1 I had some real concerns about Darnold. I spoke about that on the Sunday show.

Speaker 1 And as a result, I dropped him to eight. Sessler obviously is in a similar boat, I think, because he also had him at eight.
Connor dropped him to four.

Speaker 1 Justin has him up to two or left them at two.

Speaker 1 How you have him at two based off how that quarterback played? That is the most important position in sports, Gravy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but even with Darnold having his by far worst game of the season with four interceptions, they were a field goal attempt away from knocking off our unanimous number one team.

Speaker 5 They play the number one team as close as you can possibly play a team, a field goal at the horn to decide it. Goes in or goes out.

Speaker 5 If that field goal goes in, are you guys moving the Seahawks down to eight?

Speaker 4 It's a strong argument, but there are, there's just this link to Dan's point, there's a lingering concern about like the

Speaker 4 weekly possibility of an implosion based on turnovers, which has been a concern for three weeks.

Speaker 1 We also can't play that what-if game, what if he makes it, because he didn't. And if, I mean, we can go through half these teams and say something about

Speaker 1 week 10, week 11. So I get it, Justin, you're frustrated.

Speaker 1 But this is not. It's not about the standings.
It's not about the fact that they almost did win despite playing really badly. I dropped them because I think it's fair to have questions about

Speaker 1 whether the offense is going to rise to the occasion in the biggest of all spots in January. But they're also in the top five of the power rankings.
So it's like, it's okay.

Speaker 1 I think this is a perfectly okay spot for them to be.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they weren't sabotaged.

Speaker 5 I don't have a problem with them being at five, but they're at five because of where me and Connor ranked them. If this was the Dan and Mark power rankings, they'd be at eight.

Speaker 5 So that would be a little low. I mean, you obviously don't.

Speaker 1 I don't think they're don't think they'll be in tier one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just don't know how any man in his right mind, if he's not addled by THC consumption, can say the Philadelphia Eagles, after what we've seen from them the last couple of weeks, should be behind the Seahawks after what we saw from their offense on Sunday.

Speaker 1 I just, that surprises me, but it's okay. I'm not going to go crazy about it.

Speaker 5 I think the Seahawks Eagles is going to be a phenomenal playoff game when we get that in January, and I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 it's okay if you're THC Adult Justin, but just to let you know, we support you.

Speaker 1 I mean, I can't believe I have to be critical of Sam Darnold on the show now, but how do you think Sam Darnold's going to do against that Philadelphia Eagles pass rush in January?

Speaker 5 I hear you guys on the Darnold concerns, but I think Seattle is such a good team around him, especially on defense.

Speaker 5 And with Jackson Smith and Jigba playing out of his mind this season and Mike McDonald being a really good coach, and Clint Kubiak being a really good offensive coordinator, that they can.

Speaker 5 Obviously, it didn't work

Speaker 5 in this game, but this is a great experience for that whole brain trust to go through in the regular season so that when they get to the playoffs, they can figure it out.

Speaker 1 Brain trust. I just feel like that's a little too strong, buddy.
Two is a little too strong. Maybe eight's a little too harsh, but

Speaker 1 you're just as wrong as us.

Speaker 5 I think we balance each other out.

Speaker 1 I think that's why the power rankings are perfect and why Farbuck won't say anything because number five is where the

Speaker 1 Farbuck. The Denver Broncos are up two spots to number six

Speaker 1 after another great performance

Speaker 1 in taking down the Chiefs. That was such an important win for that franchise to take down Kansas City and really take a stranglehold of the AFC West.

Speaker 1 The Lions dropped all the way down to number seven. See is a little higher on them coming out of this game.
He has them at number four.

Speaker 1 I have to, I got to say, Cesee, I think that's a little too kind to Detroit because they are now starting to pile up the losses a little bit. I think they're up to four losses now.

Speaker 1 And I just don't like.

Speaker 1 I don't like quarterbacks that look the way the quarterback looked in this game and knowing that teams like the Eagles with pass rushes like the Eagles, teams like the Rams,

Speaker 1 teams like the Seattle Seahawks are the teams that are going to be waiting for them potentially in a road matchup in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 You are right about the road part of that. Like that is a concern.
And I think that was a showcase of this past weekend.

Speaker 4 But I look at like, and I know Broncos fans have to be annoyed with us in general, but like I think they beat the Broncos. Not many.

Speaker 1 Why would they be mad at me?

Speaker 4 Not at you, but at I,

Speaker 4 at others, that like they're sitting down at six. I think they can knock off the teams above them in this list in the right environment.
But you're right.

Speaker 4 I think that like they are a weird, they're a dome team. And I don't, I've typically never been a

Speaker 4 big proponent of dome teams. But if they, if they get a chance, if they can go on a streak and play at home, I think they can beat anyone in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Aren't you at all concerned now that they've

Speaker 1 they've lost four of their 10 games and they they've had a couple tough ones along the way?

Speaker 4 Like this I'm not overly concerned. I'm not overly concerned with the record.

Speaker 4 So I i get the question but i'm not overly well then i mean we should be concerned with like what the bills have done too like they've been they've had they've got a couple stinkers on their resume so it's i don't know how to separate all this like there's some of these teams have been

Speaker 1 biased against them you think i am yeah i think i don't think you like the bills the number eight team is the colts um on their bye down two spots don't believe in this this is too much of a drop for a team that did not play on Sunday, but what are you going to do?

Speaker 1 Graver's got the Seattle Seahawks at number two, so it makes sense. On to tier two.

Speaker 1 We have the Packers up four spots. This feels a little bit rich.

Speaker 1 It makes sense to me. This is the stuff that gets me crazy, Justin.
I'm not good at math.

Speaker 1 I had him at 12. Mark has him at 10.
Connor has them at 11. You had him at 10.
And they're at number 9.

Speaker 4 Math is

Speaker 4 blowing my mind.

Speaker 5 It's because the Chiefs should be. If this was, again, to remove someone and reassess, if this was the Dan, Mark, and Justin rankings, the Chiefs would be 9 and the Packers would be 10.

Speaker 1 But if you'll direct your eye to where Connor is the Chiefs, it's pulling them down, which pushes Green Bay up. Okay, I got you now.
The Chiefs come in at number 10.

Speaker 1 I have it nailed, per usual, at 10.

Speaker 1 Mark doing a nice job here at 9. Justin as well at 9.
Connor making a statement as he's wont to do. Has them all the way down to 15.

Speaker 4 That's why we love Connor.

Speaker 1 And as a result,

Speaker 1 they fall behind the Packers. And we'll hear, I'm sure, from Connor on this later in the week.
Number 11, the Niners up three spots as they start to get healthy and lit up the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Number 12 is the Bucs, who have flopped in an audition against two AFC East

Speaker 1 contenders the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the injuries have really hurt them. They're down one spot to 12.

Speaker 1 The Ravens sit in the Twilight Zone. Interesting on a four-game winning streak.

Speaker 1 But it's not like they've been overwhelming, Mark. I know that's part of the reason you're annoyed, including against the Browns.

Speaker 1 God bless Shador Sanders, all of Baltimore rejoices that he got in the game and crapped his pants. But like

Speaker 1 Even with these four wins, it hasn't been a dominant four wins that make you think the Ravens are an elite team. They still have a lot of room to grow.

Speaker 4 They're the perfect number 13 team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you're right, actually. See,

Speaker 1 you brought me all the way around, Mark, with one line. At 14, we have the Bears

Speaker 1 who

Speaker 1 Bears friends aren't going to like this. The Bears fans probably think, oh, look, we're proven that we're the team of Destiny.
put us in the top 10. No, not yet.

Speaker 1 So they're still kind of like, whatever, right? That's where we're at, Justin. We're kind of like, whatever.

Speaker 4 Not Connor.

Speaker 5 I tried to move them up.

Speaker 5 And then, like, I, when I originally punched in a higher number, and then I started looking at the other teams, and I was like, I still feel a little bit better about the Ravens, the Bucks, the Niners.

Speaker 5 So it is what it is. Keep winning it, and you'll keep going up.

Speaker 4 Look at Connor. It's like the Bronter House.

Speaker 1 Just like the Patriots. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Connor and I were in lockstep on the Chargers. I thought the Chargers were the perfect Twilight Zone team because, you know, after getting absolutely curb stomped by the Jaguars,

Speaker 1 it was like, who are you guys? Like, I'm just going to stick you in 13 and forget about you for a week.

Speaker 1 But Mark, you were much harder on them, having them all the way down at 17, and Justin had him at 15. So they dropped five spots after a really ugly showing.

Speaker 1 on the road in Jacksonville. And yet, no one is going to be happy because Jaguars fans will be like, how can we absolutely destroy the Chargers and still be behind them in the power rankings?

Speaker 1 I get it,

Speaker 1 but deal with it. You're still up five spots and you're in tier two now.
So maybe just be happy that that's the reality mark.

Speaker 4 I alone have the Jaguars ranked above the Chargers. So

Speaker 4 if you live in that part of the country, don't come at me.

Speaker 4 Target the other three individuals on the show, please.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 1 Somewhere

Speaker 1 a tear is going down the cheek of Fred Durst. I love that guy, Susler.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tier three.

Speaker 1 Concerned about the Chargers.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would be after that game. Tier three, the Pittsburgh Steelers at number 17.
Yes, they got the win against the Bengals, but the quarterback, the old man quarterback is hurt.

Speaker 1 Mason Rudolphs is back up, and in general, they do feel like a number number 17 team. That's fair.
The Cowboys, they've been yo-yoing up and down these power rankings all year. It happens again.

Speaker 1 They're up four spots to number 18. Zuzzler has it locked in again.
I had him at 18. Mark, 16.
Connor, 19. Justin, 20.
The Texans are down two spots.

Speaker 1 The Texans won, and yet they dropped two spots to 19. I get it, but that doesn't seem right.

Speaker 1 Sussler has him at 20. Connor, 21.

Speaker 1 Me Me and Justin at 17. They're at 19.
Good job, Justin. You nailed it.
The Carolina Panthers,

Speaker 1 number 20. I had them at 20.
Look at this. Just like the guide.
Follow the tugboat. I'll take you into the port, sussy.

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, the entire show is based around the concept of that. I understand what's happening here.

Speaker 1 You had him at 19

Speaker 1 and Connor, Justin Absum at 18. So Panthers fans are like, where's the respect for us? We're kind of sneaky doing some things.
Our QB just threw for like 7,000 yards. Whatever.
We'll see.

Speaker 1 We'll check in another week. The Vikings continue to fall, even though nine is playing.
He's not playing well. So he's at 21.
I had him at 21. The Dolphins at 22.

Speaker 1 They are slowly working their way up our power rankings and even the AFC playoff standings, up one spot to 22. The Falcons, meanwhile, are going the opposite direction.

Speaker 1 They're down four more spots to 23 and now don't have their quarterback. It's getting late early for the Falcons, and the Bengals stay exactly where they are at 24 after another tough defeat.

Speaker 1 Finally, the tier you don't want to be in.

Speaker 1 Tier 4.

Speaker 1 The G-Men

Speaker 1 fight hard against the Packers, and we give them some pop for that. Up two spots to number 25.
The Cardinals keep losing.

Speaker 1 Sloppy, undisciplined, unfocused, unwatchable.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What did they have? How many 14 penalties on Sunday?

Speaker 4 Wasn't it 16 or 17?

Speaker 1 Get out of my life.

Speaker 4 It was a franchise record 16 or 7. I think 17 penalties, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 5 Jacoby Brissette also set the NFL record for most completions in a game.

Speaker 1 So do. What?

Speaker 4 There's so many other things you could watch on television. That's dope as hell.

Speaker 1 That's dope as hell. A lot of people.

Speaker 1 It's dope as hell. You know what I like? I like having Trey McBride on my fantasy team because his dick bag team is always throwing the ball like crazy because they're always getting beat.

Speaker 1 So there's at least one positive. The Commanders, yeah, it's a lost season down to 27.
The Jets. Oh, baby.

Speaker 1 We lose, but move up a spot to number 28. I had that.
You ain't got no haters. You ain't popping.
Look right. Yeah, exactly, Bobby Sala.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Sesler, for some reason, is the Jets at 25. I think they're growing.

Speaker 4 They're developing.

Speaker 1 Sure, they are.

Speaker 1 Number 29, we have the Saints move up one spot on their bye. The Brownies, oh, they fight hard against the Ravens, up one spot to 30.

Speaker 1 We're all in agreement that we're seeing enough of the Las Vegas Raiders. I wonder what Tom Brady thinks about all this.
I wonder if that's the one secret to all this. Like, what will Tom Brady do?

Speaker 1 Well, we've

Speaker 4 somehow, like, our concern over trade secrets and what he's learning that would craft an advantage for the Raiders. Um, that stopped being a talking point.

Speaker 1 Should have traded Geno to the Vikings. We would have already been on the path to 2026.

Speaker 4 I would trade Geno to like a low-level IBM office in like hack and sack, New Jersey for a bag of spoons at this point.

Speaker 1 So he would be,

Speaker 1 I feel like he would be helpful in team meetings. Good leader.
And congratulations, Justin. The Titans stay at 32.
Connect for

Speaker 5 our only two Connect 4s were number one and number 32.

Speaker 1 Well, they're both pretty quick.

Speaker 1 How about that?

Speaker 1 A couple of quick announcements.

Speaker 1 Number one, we got Shecky back on the show.

Speaker 1 Dave Damashek rejoins us on Wednesday for an episode that was probably my favorite episode of the first year of Heed the Call, when we built a Thanksgiving Day table of NFL figures.

Speaker 1 So you know what you do when you

Speaker 1 hit on some box office magic, Mark, you bring back a sequel. So that's what we'll do with Shek on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 You know, Shek is probably, if I think of any media figure that we've ever worked with, and a friend, like

Speaker 4 very Thanksgiving oriented, he did a lot of pie-offs and,

Speaker 4 you know, celebratory holiday things. So it's the perfect time to bring him back and find out his thoughts.
What's his table going to be? We don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 what's Cecil going to bring to the table? Connor's going to join us on a Wednesday show because it's a special occasion.

Speaker 1 And we'll get that table filled up for 25 for the turkey and stuffing and all that other good stuff.

Speaker 1 The cranberry sauce, the mashed potatoes, the green beans, the mac and cheese, a little that pumpkin pie. My mom used to make some coconut or like a custard pie that was really good.

Speaker 1 And then she'd set out a little like ceramic turkey. Can I get my music on this one?

Speaker 1 My mom would set out at the end of the meal,

Speaker 1 Debbie would set out a ceramic turkey dish and filled it with those little green Andes chocolates.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 That's kind of like maybe for your coffee, you have your coffee and you drink, you have a little Andy's chocolate. It's like end of the meal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So who will be the Andy's chocolate of the table? We'll see.

Speaker 4 I never had a mother or father, so

Speaker 4 I never celebrated a holiday. So it's nice to hear about how you did.

Speaker 1 I believe there's a Edward in

Speaker 1 Deborah Sessler.

Speaker 4 Well, if there is, that would be...

Speaker 4 I do.

Speaker 4 I have a father named Edward and a mother named Barbara. So if there's a Deborah involved, that would be talk about a breaking news strip.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 But do you think you think your parents would appreciate you coming on a highly popular podcast and insinuating that you grew up without parents? Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think they would say, Mark, for the first time, we're disappointed in you.

Speaker 4 You're like, get your head on straight.

Speaker 1 Look at that.

Speaker 1 Check on Wednesday. Also, I'm going to check in right now.
We have put the challenge out there to the audience. We're trying to get to 30,000 subscribers on the YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 And when we do, the 30K challenge has told, and then Connor Orr will tell his story spilling tea on the evil Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 So make sure you get us to 30K. Subscribe.
Tell your friends. Set up a secondary account.

Speaker 1 But don't forget to download the show and listen to the audio version of it to fulfill other various contractual obligations connected to Mark and myself and indirectly, Justin and Connor getting paid.

Speaker 1 So let's try to balance that one out. And finally,

Speaker 1 and finally, a big announcement over on the Patreon, patreon.com/slash heed the call.

Speaker 1 Mark Sessler's untitled Loveline project will be launching next month.

Speaker 1 Soon.

Speaker 4 Pretty soon.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes, that's enough. See and his beautiful,

Speaker 1 wonderful, sophisticated fiancé, Billy Wolf, will be teaming up on the Patreon,

Speaker 1 giving out advice on love and lust and relationships and joy and pain and everything in between.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 untitled Sessler Loveline Project.

Speaker 1 I was thinking, how about heed the love?

Speaker 1 How does that sound?

Speaker 4 Well, yeah, that was one of the questions. Can I not just call it Lovelines if it's behind a payball? Or is that, do I get dinged? Probably get dinged by a large corporation for that.

Speaker 1 You're a creative guy, buddy. I think we could come up with a show title that doesn't just rip off the property that you're already ripping off.
You know what I mean? We don't need a double ripoff.

Speaker 1 I think that's where we get into a little double jeopardy

Speaker 1 in the copyright world.

Speaker 4 It's a fair point.

Speaker 4 We're workshopping. Justin and I are working behind the scenes on some technique.
It will involve the listeners because you'll have a chance to ask those questions and too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so just know that that's coming and we'll bring it up on a future show.

Speaker 1 We'll get an email or some way to for people to send in video submissions or just questions that Mark and Billy can together help solve your

Speaker 1 solve any problems or

Speaker 4 at least weigh in. I don't know if we're, I don't know,

Speaker 4 we'll solve some problems. We'll weigh in on others.

Speaker 1 We could create others.

Speaker 4 We could inflame other scenarios, sure.

Speaker 1 So there you go. Patreon's got all sorts of great content

Speaker 1 always coming, and that is coming down the pike. So the untitled Love Line project with Mark Sessler.
Heed the Love. I like Heed the Love.

Speaker 4 I kind of do too. You might have...
You're a good brander. I think you might have just hit it.

Speaker 1 All right. Heed the Love

Speaker 1 debuts

Speaker 1 next month on the Patreon. Keep an eye on it.
And maybe, Justin, throw a little email for people to go start sending in their video and

Speaker 1 email submissions

Speaker 5 I mean you can send them to the show heed the call football show at gmail.com but maybe in the subject line or perhaps somewhere in the body of said email you could mention that this is for heed the love and that you need mark and billy's advice on dating or or anything I guess in the body

Speaker 1 yeah in the body and if you seriously have not signed out for the patreon and i just told you that that's coming down the pike, Sessler giving out advice on love and lust, I don't know what's going to hook you guys.

Speaker 1 But so there you go, coming up soon.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Good stuff. We'll see you in a couple days with Damashek building out that Thanksgiving table.
And now we'll end the show

Speaker 1 with me performing

Speaker 1 the 1996 Bush power ballot hit, Glycerine. Yummy.
Yummy.

Speaker 1 Two. One.
Three. Four.

Speaker 1 Actually, copyright issues would that would entail, so we're gonna have to hold that. Maybe for the Patreon.
Till next time, you know what you got to do. Heed the call.