Episode 588: The Hostile Land Of Dixie

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Speaker 1 Like a midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control.

Speaker 1 Jim Cornette!

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Speaker 1 Jim Cornette!

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Speaker 1 He never backs down from a fight.

Speaker 1 He never wins the pony. Cause his mama raised him right.

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Speaker 15 Hello again, everybody, and welcome to another thrill-packed episode of the Jim Cornette Experience. Today, what happened on AEW this week, you tell me, and we'll both know.

Speaker 15 Plus, more on my adventures in the hostile land of Dixie. Kata, that is.

Speaker 15 And miscellaneous tomfoolery for everyone in joining me. Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr.
Co-host to you.

Speaker 15 He never went way down south on Dixie. The great Brian last, everybody.

Speaker 1 Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again.

Speaker 1 I did not go down on Dixie. I might have gotten a push like Hernandez if I had.

Speaker 15 Oh, now he was a fine, upstanding person.

Speaker 1 He did not partake in any of that thing, but uh, there's never been a Jewish Hernandez, it would have been a real switch on things.

Speaker 15 It, uh, well, you could have been the Hernandez brothers,

Speaker 15 the Hermanos Hernandez.

Speaker 15 I thought that was Japanese or Japanese Jesus Christ. I thought that was Spanish for Herman for the Hermanos is apparently his brothers.
Is that correct? Do you know anything about this?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I thought you were right the first time. It was for Japanese Jesus Christ.

Speaker 15 Okay,

Speaker 15 it was Jesus.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 1 Anyway. Come on, we're going to have fun today.
Hot and wet.

Speaker 15 Way down south in the land of cotton panties.

Speaker 15 You know, I went out to dinner the other night. I told you I was going to do this, and I indeed did, indeed did that.

Speaker 15 I indeed did it.

Speaker 15 Went out to dinner. It was Stacey's mom's birthday.
She's a lady, so I won't mention how many.

Speaker 15 But she wanted to go to Outback Steakhouse, which I haven't been in a just a blue moon, as Mama Cornette used to say.

Speaker 15 And I'll tell you, when we were traveling, if I was by myself, I wouldn't go to the trouble of sitting down somewhere and eating and expending that much time.

Speaker 15 And, you know, I could be in my underwear. But if Stace was with me, we would always, on a long trip, we'd find a...

Speaker 15 an exit with a Hilton property and an outback steakhouse. And that would just make everything swell.

Speaker 15 And boy, I ate my just, I don't even have a simile. I was so frazzled after I ate that.
I was full for two days. It didn't stop me from eating more the next day, but I didn't want to.

Speaker 15 I had to make myself.

Speaker 15 When's the last time you went to Outback Steakhouse there, Matey?

Speaker 1 Outback Steakhouse, Jesus, I don't know, 2002,

Speaker 15 three? Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 It's not a place I regularly go to.

Speaker 15 What do you did? You don't love the Outback Steakhouse.

Speaker 15 you don't love a good shrimp on the bobby mate come on you the bloomin' onion

Speaker 1 do you ever see that movie shrimp on the barbie with cheech marin after him and chong broke up

Speaker 1 like marin or whatever you want to call him he goes to australia and he falls in love with a rich girl and she falls in love with him and then everyone does uh

Speaker 1 I forget if it was Lombada or Manana. There's a dance at the end and they all do it.

Speaker 15 The end. I'm going to tell you, if there was a, if a Cheech and Chong movie came out after 1979,

Speaker 15 I probably missed it.

Speaker 1 After the first one?

Speaker 15 After the first one, I probably missed the rest of them.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I haven't been to Outback Steakhouse. I remember they had a steak.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that's a...

Speaker 15 It's a movie called Carlito's Way. What's it about? Well, it's about this guy named Carlito and the way he does things.

Speaker 15 No, it's a one. They've got a...

Speaker 15 where do i start they're a fine establishment they're upstanding people they're very very consistent i've noticed from restaurant to restaurant you can get the occasional sob in every crowd as they used to say but uh they're very and also now

Speaker 15 guess what they got they got the bloomin' chicken

Speaker 15 They take the big old chicken breast and they flatten it out real good and they and they roll it and bathe it in the bloomin' onion batter seasoning frying mix or whatever the fuck you might want to term it and then they fry it that way and then they give it to you with the bloomin' onion sauce

Speaker 15 it was amazing and a bunch of fine appetizers including the kooka burr wings that are just different from

Speaker 15 from just any other wings you're going to have. But nevertheless, and then we went over next door to Grater's Ice Cream and had, and I had some, I splurged and I had some ice cream too.
In a cup.

Speaker 15 Well, it was more of a bowl-type-shaped apparatus. It wouldn't, I wouldn't call this a cup.

Speaker 1 Was everyone else getting cones like a normal person?

Speaker 15 Well, they got the little cup that I guess you would call it, whereas I got a, it was a long, oblong thing that looked like a battleship. But Sam.

Speaker 15 Sam over at Grators listens to the podcast, by the way. He's a fine young man.
He's one of the go-getters of the younger generation. Hello, Sam.
Out there working to get ahead.

Speaker 1 Hello, Sam.

Speaker 15 One of these days, he's probably, he's going to own the place. Which place?

Speaker 15 Well, the whole plan, the whole daggum deal. He'll take over Graters.

Speaker 15 And he'll own the store. He'll own the plant where they manufacture the ice cream.
He'll own the cows that make the milk. He'll own the goddamn strawberry trees

Speaker 15 where they grow the strawberries and

Speaker 15 the sprinkle trees. He'll own, are they bushes?

Speaker 15 Where they grow the sprinkles. He'll own all that stuff.
He's getting an early start.

Speaker 1 I better be nice to him then. How's he going to accomplish all this?

Speaker 15 Well, he's getting an early start. He's a young man out there in the working world now,

Speaker 15 earning his way and learning a trade. He's learning the ice cream trade.

Speaker 15 The fuck, you got to admire the gumption.

Speaker 1 You think he'll ever take a step up and go to custard?

Speaker 15 I don't don't know. Custard is a tricky business.
It's about the eggs. Because some people, you know, and see, that's the thing.

Speaker 15 They shouldn't have named it custard, to be honest with you, because if you just ask anybody walking down the street, hey, you want some ice cream? Yeah, everybody's face is going to light up, right?

Speaker 15 But if you ask somebody, hey, you want some custard?

Speaker 15 Well, that just sounds like shit.

Speaker 1 It sounds like a hundred days ago.

Speaker 1 That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 15 Well, it rhymes with mustard, first of all, and who wants mustard on a hot day? And then custard?

Speaker 15 What do you make custard out of? And what's happened to it? It sounds like it's some kind of fermenting process or a curdling. Custard and curdling is not that.
So then

Speaker 15 it just sounds just nasty.

Speaker 15 Like it would coat your mouth and it would taste like a fucking dirty Dalmatian just pulled his foot out of it.

Speaker 1 You know what's weird? on this topic of ice cream that you brought up custard if you look at the grocery aisle, the things that you think are, I mean, that must be ice cream. It's a cone,

Speaker 1 and there's ice cream that looks like ice cream there, and it's wrapped in chocolate.

Speaker 15 It's a frozen substance.

Speaker 1 But it doesn't say ice cream anywhere on the package. They're not allowed to call it ice cream because technically, however, they're concocting it,

Speaker 1 it's not the proper ingredients of ice cream. So it just says like frozen dessert treat.

Speaker 15 Yes, a frozen dessert treat, or it's like American cheese. Kraft American cheese as a pasteurized processed cheese food.

Speaker 15 A cheese food.

Speaker 1 I never even picked up on that one, actually.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 And that's as if it's some of the tastiest stuff. Actually, I just, a regular roll ice cream is a little bland.
Now that they've got the

Speaker 15 the dessert treats that they can put all kinds of extra shit in there. Well, they're just swell.
You just take a spoon to them, some bitches.

Speaker 15 Anyhow, we got a big show today. Can't you tell? Right.
I'll have you know. I want maybe later on you can tell me what AEW

Speaker 15 should start giving out study notes

Speaker 15 and after the shows, or maybe even before the shows, so you could follow along.

Speaker 15 And maybe even do some charts and some history. Here's what you need to research so you know everybody's standings and relationships in Japan from 15 years ago and a third match on the card.

Speaker 15 And also some pie charts would be good, I think.

Speaker 15 Pie charts are always good.

Speaker 15 So we can kind of analyze what the fuck is going on with these people. There's a million of them.
They run around like ants in one of those. Did you ever

Speaker 15 did you ever wonder? Probably not. Did you ever have in school back

Speaker 15 before they

Speaker 15 had actual

Speaker 15 money to spend on things, apparently? You'd get the ant farm thing where you could look through the glass and see the ants doing their thing.

Speaker 1 We didn't have it in our school or any of the classes I was in, but they were still, they were still a thing, but it was kind of in its last days, I think, as being a cultural thing.

Speaker 15 Sort of like the wrestling bear went out about the same time. But

Speaker 15 yeah, they look like ants to me now. It's an ant farm over there.

Speaker 15 And we're also going to talk about the

Speaker 15 last week on the program, we just started the TNA agent report thing.

Speaker 15 It's getting closer to the point where I get fired. So we'll do a little bit more of that and et cetera.
But I found something else.

Speaker 15 I teased you with this, Brian. Hear me? I'm rattling the papers.

Speaker 15 I teased you with this earlier. This was a letter.
And this is the era where I have the originals because we we were faxing everything, right? It's like to from pages.

Speaker 15 Um,

Speaker 15 Rick Bassman, you recognize that name, right?

Speaker 1 I do,

Speaker 1 and it's funny you bring this up. Every,

Speaker 1 I don't know, every year or so, someone will post something like, Hey, look what he said, he's responding to Jim Cornette, he's challenging Jim Cornette, and I'm like, Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 15 I thought he'd been,

Speaker 15 I thought he had had some type of ill health, been hospitalized, put in a home

Speaker 15 somewhere or something.

Speaker 15 I haven't heard about him in years, but because this is from 2004.

Speaker 15 Okay. But for the people who don't know, and that's probably a lot of you,

Speaker 15 his claim to fame was the picture with ultimate warrior and sting. He's the guy

Speaker 15 in the, in the early, a, mid 80s, 84, whatever it was, he had some kind of gym in California and Los Angeles, and he was looking to somehow get in the wrestling business.

Speaker 15 You want to get in the wrestling business, kid.

Speaker 15 And he had

Speaker 15 Sting and Warrior, Steve Borden and Jim Helwig were two of the bodybuilders that he recruited from the local Southern California gyms to try to it.

Speaker 15 The early publicity pictures, and you've probably seen them, Brian, is him with these four muscle guys, right? It was like Power Team usa or some kind of

Speaker 15 and anyway

Speaker 15 the other two

Speaker 15 flaked off somewhere whatever the who knows

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 staying and warrior the future staying and warrior said let's get your out of here yeah so let's get the out of here because they they sent pictures out

Speaker 15 And bless Jerry Jarrett, he'll take some green talent. It'll work for cheap and a heartbeat.

Speaker 15 And that's when they went to Memphis and began their careers. But he, Bassman,

Speaker 15 like, I think, got him tights and had pictures taken in a ring was the total of his,

Speaker 15 because you've seen the early video of Staying a Warrior.

Speaker 15 And anyway, then later on, he

Speaker 15 set up some kind of wrestling school out in California, Los Angeles in the 90s. And

Speaker 15 he was involved in some of those inside pro wrestling secrets documentaries that were going around where they showed everybody how to do everything. Before that,

Speaker 15 it was somewhat frowned upon still in that environment, let's say,

Speaker 15 years ago.

Speaker 15 But also,

Speaker 15 I'm trying to remember the timeline.

Speaker 15 But before I even had any sideways issues with him from OVW,

Speaker 15 I'm thinking it was probably 97-ish or something.

Speaker 15 The first time I'd ever seen him in person, I believe, this fucking guy shows up at a TV we're doing out there, the WWF television.

Speaker 15 And one of the dark matches, they've got two guys from whatever he's running. And one of them, man, I'm trying to think of his, it's a Howard,

Speaker 15 Tom Howard was his name.

Speaker 1 I remember him, yeah.

Speaker 15 And he was, he was a big guy with a nice physique, you know, two 30, 40, whatever he was, and blonde hair, kind of like, you know, early sting, maybe. And

Speaker 15 he would, you would look at him and say, well, he should be a Viking instead of Ludwig Borga, and he's not a psychopath, right? And he could do some shit. He was pretty good.

Speaker 15 But his partner was this big cartoon muscle. He looked even bigger than the early pictures you see of Warrior.
I didn't know how the fuck

Speaker 15 that they didn't have to custom make this guy's guy's fucking clothing from scratch. He was just ridiculously big.

Speaker 15 And they're going to be a team. And I was like, ugh.

Speaker 15 And then there's Bassman. He's going to go out and manage them.

Speaker 15 Their manager, Ricky B,

Speaker 15 this little bald peanut-headed dip shit is like five foot fucking two or whatever.

Speaker 15 And he's out there with this cartoon muscle guy port. And Tom Howard's doing some shit.
And he's trying to make the most of his time. And there was two minutes of Tom Howard,

Speaker 15 where if you thought, you know, wow,

Speaker 15 he might be worth something.

Speaker 15 But it was weighed down by the other five minutes of this fucking muscle guy might have had three wrestling lessons, and the manager didn't know how to manage, and nobody knew who the fuck he was or what he was supposed to be doing anyway.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 but then

Speaker 15 in the late 90s,

Speaker 15 Bruce started going, Bruce Pritchard, brother Bruce, brother love,

Speaker 15 started going out there and visiting his school.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 the only explanation I give you is one time he said, well, he flies me out and takes me out out there.

Speaker 15 He was, it was a life, a vacation for Bruce to go from Connecticut to Los Angeles to look at guys at a wrestling school so he could go out in LA and be

Speaker 15 winded and dined by Rick Bassman.

Speaker 15 And I'm like, I tell you, I'll stay here. You bring some bitches to me.

Speaker 15 But anyway, and

Speaker 15 to be fair,

Speaker 15 they did find Cena and they did find Victoria

Speaker 15 because they were in LA in a gym, right? That's what Bassman kind of like, he got in the wrestling business the same way the people who buy a McDonald's franchise get in the restaurant business.

Speaker 15 You know, it just, here I've got a gym, good-looking people in California. Come here, and

Speaker 15 I'll teach you absolutely nothing.

Speaker 15 But he was also doing a deal where he was signing guys to contracts where if they got a deal and they got a career and made money, he got part of their money.

Speaker 15 And there's several people, I won't mention any names,

Speaker 1 were

Speaker 15 actively for a while trying to get out of that.

Speaker 15 So then,

Speaker 15 while we're here, I'm here in OVW, right? This was,

Speaker 15 I'm going to say, again, early 2000s, not sure the exact year, but we're running already, we're running the shows at Six Flags, Kentucky Kingdom.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 Bassman's deal out there at one point had had a developmental contract, but I don't even remember why they canceled it, but they canceled it for something else that he was doing or was going on.

Speaker 15 But we hear from our people at Six Flags over here, Kentucky Kingdom: hey, we just got this brochure in the mail from

Speaker 15 somebody,

Speaker 15 and they're saying they can bring us wrestling. And there's a picture.
This is when Cena was here as a prototype. So

Speaker 15 I'm thinking it may have been goddamn,

Speaker 15 it had to be 2001, right? Maybe 2002 before he left. And it's his picture is on the fucking cover of the brochure while he's wrestling here on their shows.

Speaker 15 And I said, what the fuck?

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 anyway, come to find out,

Speaker 15 Bassman and his gimmick school out there had sent brochures to every Six Flags amusement park in the country.

Speaker 15 claiming that he had an affiliation with WWF, he did at one time, but he didn't currently at that point, and put the most recognizable fucking piece of talent that he had produced on the cover, which was still just a guy in developmental for us at OVW.

Speaker 15 So I called the office and I told Bruce, I said, this little fucking peanut headed piece of shit.

Speaker 15 Number one, he's saying he's still hooked up with you guys. And number two,

Speaker 15 he's fucking with our six flags people.

Speaker 15 And whatever Bruce did, I then called the number on the brochure,

Speaker 15 which I assume was Mr. Bassman.
And I told him something effective if he ever got in contact with our, you can do whatever you want with Six Flags New Jersey, motherfucker.

Speaker 15 But if you ever contact our fucking people again,

Speaker 15 they will find you in a ditch.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 I've always had a fond, you know, relationship with this guy, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you haven't even gotten to the letter yet.

Speaker 1 It's all right. He's a great story.

Speaker 15 So anyway, I didn't remember that this happened until again,

Speaker 15 looked at this letter, but the letter is to Tom Pritchard.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I still don't remember all of it, but apparently it happened because I'm responding to it. And this is from April of 2004.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 it says, dear Doc, Dr. Tom.

Speaker 15 To say I was stunned to hear of Rick Bassman's business offer would be an understatement. So I'm responding on papers.
There could be no misrepresentation of my stand on this issue.

Speaker 15 Professionally, I think it's a wonderful idea for the OVW champion and myself to travel to UPW and in some heel way protecting the credibility of the champion and promotion, screw the UPW champion out of the title.

Speaker 15 with an angle afterward to shoot a rematch for the following week.

Speaker 15 In that match, as a professional, the OVW champion would put the UPW champion over clean after my interference had been foiled by any UPW babyface, parentheses, S, or faces.

Speaker 15 Before the match via the internet, I could in my own inimitable way convince the internet marks that no matter what they think about wrestling or think they know, I hate Rick Bassman.

Speaker 15 And shit would probably take place at the event that I was bringing a seven-foot giant, Matt Morgan, to humiliate the UPW champion.

Speaker 15 During the week, as a visiting wrestling school trainer, it would be natural for me to conduct seminars, explain psychology to the local students. So that was the offer that he was trying to pitch.

Speaker 15 Hey,

Speaker 15 because I probably knocked him at that point somewhere, called the office audio for something.

Speaker 15 Hey, what about if he brings the OVW champion out and we do an angle with his guy and my guy, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

Speaker 15 So I'm responding to the idea that he is pitched with what I think is a very professional response, correct?

Speaker 1 Thus far, yes.

Speaker 15 Well, I continue. That's as a professional.

Speaker 15 Personally, this little Cretan has so much heat with Danny Davis and myself that I cannot begin to describe it.

Speaker 15 Exposing not only the business, but how it's worked on national TV documentaries and trade-at-home tapes. I forgot about that.
He was doing that too.

Speaker 15 Taking percentages of the boy's hard-earned money after they paid him to go to his school, etc. And again, the six flags.

Speaker 15 Who is this little fart that he is qualified to run a wrestling school to begin with?

Speaker 15 He's never taught anyone anything except how to write a check, and he would not even be a blip on the wrestling radar screen if not for his habit of smartening up everyone in the world and running a fast food wrestling school.

Speaker 15 Anyway,

Speaker 15 and if I did conduct a seminar, my advice to everyone there would be to run from this shyster as fast as you can and try to find a legitimate school.

Speaker 15 So that actually there's, again, there's a page too.

Speaker 15 Personally, there's no amount of money on earth that would convince me to in any way lend credibility to Bassman's feeble attempts to ruin the wrestling profession.

Speaker 15 But as a professional, in the words of Ted DiBiase, every man has his price.

Speaker 15 You want to hear this?

Speaker 1 Oh, let's hear what your price is. Yeah,

Speaker 15 this is like one of those Heyman pitches. Well, I offered

Speaker 15 Jim Cornet and the OBW champions live appearances, the trip, angle, promotion of same

Speaker 15 matches and seminars.

Speaker 15 Because I believe he also pitched, well, you can do a seminar while he's out here.

Speaker 15 And all ancillary elements is $50,000.

Speaker 15 A cashier's check for 50% of the money would have to arrive in my hands at least two weeks prior to the dates, blah, blah, contracts, cashier's check, balance on arrival, cover Matt and Matt Morgan's talent fees, transportation, lodging, and meals, all of which we would arrange on our own.

Speaker 15 And if there, any part of this arrangement would be reneged on, a seven-foot giant would wreak some type of havoc and I would explain it on the internet for the rest of time.

Speaker 15 And I said, as I'm ambivalent about the answer either way, I will await your reply if any of this proposal.

Speaker 15 I don't have any other paperwork on it, so I don't think I heard back.

Speaker 1 See, Matt Morgan needed someone like this to talk for him on TV, even though he could talk. But you're building this up.
I want to see Matt Morgan go out there and start talking about what's this.

Speaker 15 Anywho, so that

Speaker 15 It's always something.

Speaker 15 Every time I stick my hand in the pile here, I find something to remind me of somebody else that tweaked me off at some point in time.

Speaker 1 It's so interesting, too, because obviously he would have known that he tweaked you off before he said whatever he said to Tom Pritchard.

Speaker 1 So that Tom Pritchard ended up as the intermediary or whatever you want to say in this, the liaison, attempted liaison in this situation. Yes.

Speaker 1 He had to know that, but it makes you question then anything after that. And it makes you, you know, there are other people out there.
How much of what they say is

Speaker 1 what you do, just saying what you think and what you do, versus,

Speaker 1 you know, hey, we're actually working an angle. You know, now that, now that we're talking, why don't you come work for me? Why don't you come

Speaker 1 up here on this show? That's what the Young Bucks, remember that's what the Young Bucks thought years ago?

Speaker 15 Well, see, we were never even talking. I never talked to this fucking guy.
But

Speaker 15 I think, as I said,

Speaker 15 I think that I had either knocked him or stooged on him in the office recently enough that he had this idea because he's a mark.

Speaker 15 You know, it'll get some attention. Hey, let's do an angle with the developmental and the blah, blah, blah and everything.
And if people will believe it, I say, yeah, I'll make them believe it.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 1 But anyway. When I did Yama Pit Fighting, he was representing MMA fighters at that point.
So he was.

Speaker 15 That's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 That's right. He was doing that.
It just.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you something?

Speaker 15 How many different brands of jock can he sniff? I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. I'd put money down that he was leaking stuff to Dave Meltzer because Dave Meltzer Meltzer had some like shit in there that was almost right,

Speaker 1 but it was like there was like weird things that were off, almost like someone didn't really know what was going on.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, who's representing this fighter and this fighter and this fighter and this fighter and knows Dave Meltzer?

Speaker 15 And that's why. Well, I don't think you can actually accuse him of being a leak.
He's more like an open fucking fire hydrant to get attention or publicity or credibility or

Speaker 15 leech one of those things off somebody. But nevertheless,

Speaker 15 hey, Rick, if you're you're still alive and they haven't confined you, how are you?

Speaker 15 Love to see you. Never.

Speaker 1 You know, you know, the other thing.

Speaker 1 Well, the one other thing I'll just say, though, even the offer,

Speaker 1 after seeing a, I mean, forgive me for not knowing my UPW history or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 Who did wrestle? Did they have a champion? Did they have anyone of note? Was it anything like...

Speaker 1 Like CZW had a little bit of a following when Ring of Honor and CZW did their thing. That's why it worked.

Speaker 15 I don't know who any of his folks were at that point in time.

Speaker 1 Let's do a cross-country inter-promotional feud between OVW and UP.

Speaker 15 He just was wanting to get over with the audio or with the office.

Speaker 15 That's what he was in some kind of way, and the office and or the internet. Not actually like it would sell large numbers of tickets

Speaker 15 for any reason. It was just some fucking markish thing.

Speaker 1 Do you you think people

Speaker 1 inherently like seeing like a big baby face beat the shit out of a small,

Speaker 1 like tiny heel manager? Even if the person's like smaller than, like sometimes you would see someone small and be like, oh, I hope that person doesn't get hurt. But if they were a heel,

Speaker 1 you know what I mean? Like if they're a heel, then it's like, okay, I'd like to see him get punted or something. Yeah.
Do you think that's something that we don't see enough of in wrestling?

Speaker 1 Like the tiny.

Speaker 1 Like tiny heel manager that you just can't wait to see him get his ass kicked and he does?

Speaker 15 Well, yeah, definitely. I think we should see more that we don't see any of that

Speaker 15 i mean a tiny heel manager right there that eliminates poor paul

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 but but how did it start into this again well

Speaker 15 i just said the tiny heel manager i mean when you take his gravitational pull it's hard to get away from him but

Speaker 15 No, yes, there should be tiny heel managers or wishy-washy cowardly,

Speaker 15 you know,

Speaker 15 physically unimpressive heel managers that get the shit kicked out of them,

Speaker 15 but not every

Speaker 15 small person can be a heel manager that you want to see the shit get kicked out of it. They got to be good at it.

Speaker 15 There's the rub.

Speaker 1 Like the brief period of time where Harvey Whippleman was a manager and like kind of the top heel manager in WWF, as crazy as that sounds. He looked really small because it was Sid,

Speaker 1 Kamala.

Speaker 15 No, he's really small.

Speaker 1 And And he's really small, but it looked really small, but he never took, like, if he took any bumps, I don't remember them. There weren't a lot of memorable,

Speaker 1 like Jimmy Hart. I could see just, I could see his little kicks, and then I could just see him taking these awkward falls all the time.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 I love downtown Bruno.

Speaker 15 Mama says it be's that way sometimes, baby. Love Harvey, but he was not Bobby Heenan

Speaker 15 when it came to the physical aspects.

Speaker 15 am I being nice enough? I don't, sometimes you do, you know, you could have hurt him. He was very frail, plus, you didn't want to bump him sometimes.

Speaker 1 Hildebrand would have bumped.

Speaker 15 Well, oh my God, he'd have been a fucking human Super Bowl out there. But that was, see, the Pittsburgh gods gave Bruno the mouth and Brian the fucking work.

Speaker 15 And in each of them, the 135 pounds of the 270 that would have been

Speaker 15 you could figure out some kind of way to surgically graft.

Speaker 15 Where were we going with that?

Speaker 1 We were in Jim's letters, letters to Jim.

Speaker 15 But no, but no.

Speaker 15 I finished the letter, but we were about the

Speaker 1 small managers.

Speaker 15 Tiny heel managers. Tiny, tiny little small, they're almost, you can't see them.

Speaker 1 But could Lord Littlebrook have been an effective heel manager? Like the royal family really didn't take off. But the idea of a diabolical heel manager but it's also a little person no like mr

Speaker 15 evil or what was the guy well no not i'm not saying that's small that's that's mini me no a dr loveless on the wild wild west but see hey

Speaker 15 think about this here's the perfect analogy of why what you just said would not work

Speaker 15 and i'm agreeing with you it probably wouldn't work Lord Littlebrook didn't take off. The Royal Family was not meant to be a top heel getting team.
It was Jack Victory and Rip Morgan and

Speaker 15 the office, JR. Everybody loved Littlebrook.
It's a feature thing, right?

Speaker 15 But you couldn't bump

Speaker 15 adult, not adult, but a goddamn large, normal-sized

Speaker 15 giant person

Speaker 15 couldn't be bumping a little person, even if they got that kind of heat. And that's the thing in the wild, wild west.

Speaker 15 Jim West beat the shit out of 15 people every episode. He never once punched Dr.
Lovelace, Lovelace.

Speaker 15 Never struck him, never physically fucking manipulated him because that, no,

Speaker 15 then that's bad. It's bad heat.

Speaker 15 So you, but you can have a small,

Speaker 15 if it sounds like the world's largest midget. You can have,

Speaker 15 you could have a small

Speaker 15 normal size person, the smaller, the better. But if they cross into the little person territory, you can't touch them.
So take a yardstick, these some bitches, before you hire them.

Speaker 15 That's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 Is that it? Thank you for the clarification, yes.

Speaker 15 Well, I just wanted to be clear on these things.

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Speaker 15 Speaking of the road to hell, um,

Speaker 15 yeah, our friend Colin Thompson over there, he's the major domo over there at Cast Media. Well, he's got a new front man now, like Roy Welch used to put in the new territories he'd open up.

Speaker 15 But nevertheless, we've given some updates on him, and you can find the deposition videos where he looks so uncomfortable on the Arcadian Vanguard YouTube channel.

Speaker 15 Just go to that and you'll see a bunch of deposition videos.

Speaker 15 But he's obviously

Speaker 15 he's back in the game. He's got a plan.
He's going to reorganize himself. He wants to get back heavy into the podcast business.
And so we have

Speaker 15 been mentioning the press release he put out where he said he wants to be a beacon of transparency and truth and try to avoid the mistakes he's made in the future.

Speaker 15 And so, in the interest of that transparency, something you can see practically through like it ain't even there.

Speaker 15 And part of this little bankruptcy deal that we've been involved in with him, not part of the other little lawsuit that we're involved in with him, but he has to supply a,

Speaker 15 is it monthly, Brian? Is this the period of time we're talking about? A monthly report? Every month.

Speaker 15 Every month, he's got to supply a report on how much came in and how much went out and how things are going.

Speaker 15 And maybe this might be if you're looking to get in business with Colin Thompson or invest in his,

Speaker 15 you know, in maybe he, hopefully he can make a ton of money here and pay back the $6 million he owes people, us amongst us, being two of them, of those millions of dollars.

Speaker 15 I hope he. just tears it up, but you know, maybe if you're thinking about doing business with him, you can listen to this and we'll keep you updated every month or so on

Speaker 15 how he's doing.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 Brian, you know how to read these documents better than I do, but did I give a halfway decent summation of what we're talking about here?

Speaker 1 You did. I guess just a couple of things before we get going with this, and this is, again, public record.
So it's not like we're exposing anything that anyone can't access.

Speaker 1 We just have inside information and could talk about it.

Speaker 1 I think a couple of important things to note. One, we mentioned previously that it wasn't known to the public that he was working with a company called James Media.

Speaker 1 He told the bankruptcy court that Cast Media

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 an operations consultant running the operations of this company, as well as getting ad sales money. And we've seen the details.
We have the contracts.

Speaker 15 And yes, see, and let me just jump in. That was another fun thing about this whole long,

Speaker 15 grueling bankruptcy process that made Colin take his jacket off so many times was that we were able to find out that there was not just

Speaker 15 a level of incompetence, which there was, but there was also a level of things that we could take action on.

Speaker 15 And we got that information during the course of what toward the end of some of it came in of this proceeding.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's right.
We found out that we thought things may have happened, and it turns out it did happen. And it turns out it was a specific person.
It wasn't just cast media did something.

Speaker 1 No, it was a specific person.

Speaker 1 And thankfully, this is one of those areas, the state of California actually has something where people like Jim and myself and actually other podcasters, there are other people who invested money.

Speaker 1 I mean, anyone really, can

Speaker 1 bring action against the actual individuals who

Speaker 1 committed the fraud. did the deed,

Speaker 1 did doing the thing, whatever you want to say.

Speaker 15 Stepped out the back, Jack.

Speaker 1 I brought up the James Media thing. He's now listed on their website as the chief operating officer, colin at jamesmedia.club.

Speaker 15 Is James Media still representing like Frank Sinatra and Queen Elizabeth and major names?

Speaker 1 According to his website, here we got Pod Save America, we got Call Her Daddy, we got Club Random with Bill Maher, Joe Rogan Show, the Trevor Noah, What Now Show, the Adam Carolla Show,

Speaker 1 Jordan Harbinger or Harbinger, whatever this guy's name is, Lady Gang, Theo Vaughn, Sarah Silverman, Julia Lee Dreyfus, Jim Rome.

Speaker 15 What percentage of those people know that they're on the James Media website? Have we got that information yet?

Speaker 1 What percentage of those people have ever heard of James Media? But we'll get to that.

Speaker 1 Again, there's going to be a lot more in the future, but let's get back to cast media and let's get back to the monthly report. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I hate to steal a line from you, but I'm going to, and I hate to say I told you so.

Speaker 15 Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 Like we told the judge, the plan he confirmed is dead on arrival, in our estimation.

Speaker 1 Sure enough, cast media for the month of May, the month that just passed, May 2025, as soon as the plan got confirmed, lost $25,572 for the month.

Speaker 1 Now let's break this down.

Speaker 15 Break it down.

Speaker 1 And there may be some other issues with some of the things that are checked here, but we'll get to that or the lawyers will. The opening balance on all cash media accounts for May

Speaker 1 had $108,228.50. So that's what they started with.

Speaker 1 Total cash receipts, how much they received during the month,

Speaker 1 $34,711.30.

Speaker 1 Total cash disbursements, the money going out,

Speaker 1 $60,000. Go!

Speaker 1 $283.50.

Speaker 1 The net cash flow is negative $25,572.20,

Speaker 1 leaving cash on hand at the end of the month of $82,656.30.

Speaker 15 Well, now

Speaker 15 did just cousin Brian,

Speaker 15 That just don't add up. And now, but here's the thing.

Speaker 15 If he's not giving anybody that he owes the money from the $6 million from beforehand,

Speaker 15 you're not giving him any money. Well, then who's where's all that $60,000 going? What does he do with that?

Speaker 1 Well, let's get that information here. And of course, none of this includes

Speaker 1 the filings that were just made, I believe. None of this is in here.
The filings that were just made to the court by his bankruptcy attorney and the trustee

Speaker 1 asking for their money.

Speaker 15 Oh,

Speaker 15 he hadn't paid the lawyer.

Speaker 1 Well, he's been paying installments, and we'll talk about it.

Speaker 15 He's been paying lawyers for a long time, but I mean, apparently, not they're needing to ask for their money.

Speaker 1 But it's just more money coming out of the general pot that was sold to gullable

Speaker 1 creditors, as you're going to get something. You're going to get nothing.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to this.

Speaker 1 How much have you paid in the last month in professional fees related to the bankruptcy case? $20,000. And that all went to, we believe, his lawyer Leslie Cohn in Santa Monica.

Speaker 15 Fine city, Santa Monica.

Speaker 1 How much has been paid in professional fees related to the bankruptcy since the case was filed? Up to this point, he had paid $134,148.27.

Speaker 1 He claims that they have unpaid bills of $28,132.28.

Speaker 1 However, money owed to him, or excuse me, to Cast Media,

Speaker 1 $88,279.88.

Speaker 1 If we go down here to the breakdown, here's the money that came in

Speaker 1 from subscription sales via Apple for people that subscribe to whatever fucking awful content in my estimation he's trying to get people to pay for.

Speaker 1 And if you don't believe me, go read the reviews of every one of his shows. People think it's AI.
People don't even think it's real people anymore. That's how bad the quality is.

Speaker 1 But anyway, subscription sales to Apple, $3,637.58.

Speaker 1 Soundstack, advertising sales. This would probably be programmatic sales.
$753.11.

Speaker 15 You know,

Speaker 15 there's people that stand in front of stores with those sandwich board signs that make more money in the course of a week than he got in a month from his all right, micro dose, which I believe would be a five.

Speaker 15 Yeah, he's he needed to do that during the deposition.

Speaker 1 Well, they are a sponsor apparently of his programs and they paid two thousand six hundred and twenty-five dollars in the month of May.

Speaker 1 Here's one payment from James Media for advertising sales:

Speaker 1 twenty-five thousand

Speaker 1 four hundred

Speaker 15 So the attention-getting sum of money that I've heard so far has something to do with these James Media folks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, James Media, which all of a sudden popped up as a company in the summer of last year.

Speaker 1 And then we believe Colin testified that he was out in California meeting with them right after that.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 Cast Media, although Colin Thompson is now listed as your chief operating officer, isn't that the guy you want running your operations, especially your books?

Speaker 1 Colin Thompson secured a deal with them, he says, for Cast Media, but now his name is listed there. But they paid him that.

Speaker 1 Podcast one

Speaker 1 advertising sales

Speaker 1 $103.77.

Speaker 1 Now, to be fair, there's a little more from them. Advertising sales from James Media, $1,976.48.

Speaker 1 And one more time from podcast one,

Speaker 1 $133.40.

Speaker 15 Boy, that podcast one relationship has really paid off for him with a gold mine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and again, he says here he's expecting a lot of money. And I believe it has here

Speaker 1 from podcast one.

Speaker 15 He's expecting a lot of money. You know what?

Speaker 15 A lot of people expect a lot of things, but as Mama Cornette used to say, and I paraphrase, expect in one hand and in the other and see which one fills up first yeah podcast one apparently according to this owes him twenty three thousand four hundred and forty four dollars over 91 days

Speaker 1 negative 737.37 between 61 and 90 days eight thousand dollars between thirty one and sixty days another nine thousand between one and thirty and it says your current is twelve thousand

Speaker 15 well sounds like podcast one find finder fee type of things and stuff like that pile up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or maybe the shows just don't have an audience and aren't generating the income. But let's go here to

Speaker 1 what he spent money on. Excuse me, what cast media spent money on?

Speaker 1 Fiduciary maintenance, $25.

Speaker 15 Was that an

Speaker 15 overdraft fee?

Speaker 1 Well, that's what that was from East West Bank.

Speaker 1 Colin Thompson for reimbursements.

Speaker 15 His East West Bank went south. I'm sorry.
I'll be at two shows on Friday.

Speaker 1 For reimbursements, the contractor, Colin Thompson, received $712.61.

Speaker 1 A freelancer, the production cost for Sarah McLaughlin,

Speaker 1 two times in a row, $1,300.

Speaker 1 Abby Newhouse, another freelancer for production, $1,800.

Speaker 1 Colin Thompson, contractor, CEO CEO

Speaker 1 for April 13th through April 26th,

Speaker 1 $6,923.08.

Speaker 1 And I think that's an important thing to note. Contractor.
He's no longer an employee of the company he owns and is the chief creative officer, I believe, of. He's a contractor.

Speaker 15 Well, he's this is some kind of fucking AEW EVP kind of shit.

Speaker 15 He's working for himself. Well, like that old country song, I'm My Own Grandpa.

Speaker 1 Leslie Cohn Law, legal services, $20,000.

Speaker 15 Ouch.

Speaker 15 He's on a payment plan, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Google Office Expense Software and Apps,

Speaker 1 $789.60.

Speaker 1 There's someone named Connor M. Powell, a freelancer for production.
He received

Speaker 1 $2,750.

Speaker 1 And then this next one is in italics, so I'm not sure exactly what that signifies here. $2,888.38.

Speaker 1 Colin Thompson, reimbursement as a contractor, $216.97. And then again,

Speaker 1 second time this month, $6,923.08

Speaker 1 for being the CEO from April 27th through May 10th.

Speaker 15 So he's paid himself about $3,000 a month of running a company that's going in the hole and is just trying to come out of bankruptcy.

Speaker 1 No, he's paying himself a lot more than $3,000 a month.

Speaker 15 Well, I mean, you know, just in those, no, did I say a month? I mean a week, $3,000 a week. Yeah.

Speaker 15 In those, just in those $6,000 payments.

Speaker 1 Office expense, software and apps, $65.

Speaker 1 East West Bank, an analysis of the activity, $116.80.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 it cost us a lot more for the people that analyzed his activity, but they did a better job of it.

Speaker 1 Jared Einson, a consulting content development person, $3,500. So it looks like he's trying to develop some new shows.
QuickBooks for software and apps, $235.

Speaker 1 Colin Thompson reimbursements, $1,122.91. Again,

Speaker 1 he has a company card, doesn't pay rent, lives with his father-in-law, doesn't pay anything on the card that he already took for himself from the company. Why?

Speaker 1 What are the reimbursements? But anyway, that's for another time. And then finally, for Colin at least, contractor CEO, May 11th through May 24th, $6,923.

Speaker 1 So he paid himself now three times within the month.

Speaker 15 Jesus Christ, I thought, wait a minute. How could you get three two-week periods out of the same month? Has he changed the calendar?

Speaker 1 He's the master of funny math. Maybe we'll have to ask him that question.
Abby Newhouse, a freelancer for production, $1,200. And finally, Connor Powell, freelancer production, $14.93.99.

Speaker 15 Well, it doesn't sound like there's anything free about them either.

Speaker 1 You know whose name wasn't there? The new CEO.

Speaker 1 Hmm. That's interesting.

Speaker 15 Wonder if it's an honorary title.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we'll see because the next month will be the first month that it would have to be reflected there that what is listed here as contractor to be CEO,

Speaker 1 that should no longer be what Colin's job would be. So that would be there for Colin.

Speaker 1 And then we should see the CEO's name and how much he's making because that's what they needed was another expense on the books, was another person to pay on the books.

Speaker 1 That's a CEO and executive, too. So by the way, if this guy's an executive and he's getting paid like $500 a month or something, you can make this guy's a jerk off.

Speaker 1 If he's getting $2,000 a month, you're going to say, this guy's a jerk He's a CEO of a media company that's trying to pretend that they're bigger than they are. But that's the

Speaker 1 main points of the monthly report.

Speaker 1 Again, what's there and what isn't there is important. And the month before,

Speaker 1 when he had to impress upon the judge that they could meet the requirements to get their plan confirmed, all of a sudden there was a whole bunch of payments coming in, including $10,000 from his lawyer, Sackler Entertainment, for content development or whatever he said he was doing.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, that was there that month. Who knows?

Speaker 1 We'll find out more. And again, it's important to note: we are suing Colin Thompson and his co-conspirators and Podcast One and Live One

Speaker 1 for everything that they did to us.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we're not going to stop until.

Speaker 1 So let's keep playing.

Speaker 15 Don't stop till you get enough. Ow!

Speaker 15 You know, Brian, last somebody else had enough,

Speaker 15 had enough they couldn't take no more over there in

Speaker 15 Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 15 Did you see the CM Punk trended on Twitter? The video, the memes were everywhere. He's just an atrocious person.

Speaker 15 Apparently, from what some people saw, he just flat out just football punted a kid trying to get an autograph from him.

Speaker 15 Of course, what other people saw was him patting a young man on the shoulder.

Speaker 15 How can there not be a happy medium? Maybe he just slapped the kid lightly as he went by. It says, Smarten up, kid.

Speaker 1 I believe he just patted him on the shoulder, though. He definitely kind of wanted to have some distance, it seemed like.
You didn't think so?

Speaker 15 No, I think he was reaching out to go like, hey, kid, how you doing? He didn't want the kid to walk in front of him, blah, blah, blah. But let's set the scene anyway, anyway, because

Speaker 15 it's not a perp walk. It's the walk you make when the people that are there to take you to the goddamn promo room or the press conference or whatever, like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 15 And they got the fucking badge around their neck or whatever.

Speaker 1 That was the here are the wrestlers. Parade them through to all the rich people that we allow to be here.

Speaker 15 Whatever he was going to, and I don't, I don't say bad, but the

Speaker 15 backstage pass, the laminate thing around the neck and the fucking t-shirt with the fucking logo on it. They're taking them.
And I can't remember who was in front of it.

Speaker 15 It was Orton was in front of him. And they're walking through like an arena hallway.
And it's not like there's a screaming throng of people there.

Speaker 15 It's mostly empty, but I guess there's a few people standing around. But they're walking through the hallway.

Speaker 15 going to wherever these people are taking them to go. And there goes Orton.
And then here comes Punk. And Punk has one of the guys with the laminate.
Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 15 And the little kid comes up and he's wanting to say hello or whatever. And as the camera is panning,

Speaker 15 I see Punk reach out like, hey, kid, pat him on the shoulder.

Speaker 15 And,

Speaker 15 but then the camera loses them.

Speaker 15 But I also see the fucking

Speaker 15 guy with the laminate reaching out, doing the arm thing, like, okay, kid, we got to go to the thing. Nobody was struck.
Nobody was goddamn assaulted.

Speaker 15 And that's what attracted my attention to it was when I saw on Twitter, first thing when I turned it on, is CM Punk Shoves Kid. And I'm like, what? What fuck? And there's no, there's no shoving.

Speaker 15 There's no violence. They're they.
And they walk on past, and everybody's gone to the deal. He didn't have time to stop and chat, unfortunately, because they were doing the hustle walk.
I don't know,

Speaker 15 you know, how else anybody got anything else out of that, but there were memes

Speaker 15 of, you know, like Punk drawing back with the karate stance or whatever, and child's point of view trying to ask for Punk's autograph. What the fuck?

Speaker 15 He's doing, he's being hustled.

Speaker 1 The thing is, there was, it was one kid and I knew there was no one around him. It just seemed like, where'd that kid come from?

Speaker 1 So it stands out.

Speaker 15 He was probably the fucking son of the guy that was setting up the goddamn concession stand who knows but it wasn't like it's funny if it was the prince's son and then punk gets arrested over there i i thought the prince's son would have had long flowing robes and somebody carrying his train this kid was dressed as a normal

Speaker 15 everyday fucking small street urchin on you know on the

Speaker 1 periphery of the event did you see punk just oh my god someone just sent this in Punk apologized on a stage there to the people for his tweet about Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1 Told them it wasn't about them. It was about the Miz.
What did he?

Speaker 15 Oh, oh, I thought he had tweeted something lately. No,

Speaker 1 no, he apologized and said he woke up in a bad mood. It wasn't about Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 15 But look.

Speaker 1 How much are they paying him? How much is he getting for this?

Speaker 15 But wait, it was just about he just wanted the Miz to suck any kind of dick. Just any, just any kind of dick, Miz.

Speaker 1 It has nothing to do with the murderous kind of of dick yes but but back up a second oh now he's holding a sign that says fuck Khashoggi

Speaker 15 No way

Speaker 1 oh back up a second oh because oh he's wearing a headdress

Speaker 1 but he could be chief thundercloud he's being sold by Ken Patera to the Arabs

Speaker 1 Jerry Blackwell, Ken Patera, CM Punk,

Speaker 1 Sheikh Punk.

Speaker 1 The honorable Sheik Punk.

Speaker 1 I had told a punk.

Speaker 15 I was going to ask you something. Now I'm like, no, I know what it was.
Did he just divine himself? Does the average

Speaker 15 person in Saudi Arabia, even average wrestling fan, know that...

Speaker 15 What, 10 years ago or five years ago, whatever it was that he tweeted to the Miz and fucking knock saudi arabia i'll play you the audio like a common well i have the audio here let's uh let's check out the audio it is interesting to note like punk apologizes for nothing

Speaker 1 here he is all of a sudden on a stage there and uh let's play the audio right now

Speaker 1 this this guy wants me to apologize for him

Speaker 1 for a mean tweet i wrote six years ago hey listen

Speaker 1 legitimately had nothing to do with saudi arabia i woke up and I was crabby and I wrote a mean tweet to the Miz and I apologized to the Miz and sir, what's your name? Mohammed? Here, watch out.

Speaker 1 I'm going to step right here.

Speaker 1 Mohammed, I sincerely apologize to you and all of Saudi Arabia. Okay?

Speaker 1 Well, there it is. He apologizes.
To Mohammed the fan and the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 15 Well, besides the fact that they were chatting shut the fuck up lightly in the background they were trying to bleep so some of his apology was garbled there but i apologize to muhammad and the kingdom of saudi arabia and please give me back my passport please

Speaker 15 okay please

Speaker 15 i i understand he's over there they've said because again my question is does the average person

Speaker 15 Or was it just that the fucking prince and his royal train carriers,

Speaker 15 So he tweeted bad about us. So they said, oh, you got to apologize in front of people, whatever.

Speaker 15 I can understand apologizing to the prince and the kingdom and the little people down at the bottom of the

Speaker 15 valley. But why did he have to apologize to the mids?

Speaker 15 See, that's the crime.

Speaker 15 No,

Speaker 15 somebody had to

Speaker 1 go

Speaker 15 go and say, okay, there's certain things that you need to say to smooth over our relationship with the.

Speaker 15 And he's, again, he's over there. What's he going to fucking do? That's why

Speaker 15 I've never been an advocate

Speaker 15 of

Speaker 15 a proponent

Speaker 15 of going into situations like this where people can do their own thing to you. Well, and actually, we're in one right now.

Speaker 15 It's bad enough we're in the United States right now where you can be kidnapped off the streets, but at least you can understand them when they tell you why they're doing it.

Speaker 1 This is going to fire up the AEW punk haters. Like, this is going to fire them up because

Speaker 15 this is also right before we are recording this right now, or obviously right before,

Speaker 15 actually, not even right before.

Speaker 15 well over a day before the night of champions event.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 1 they're going to cheer Cena and they're going to be punk hold on now if in the next day again we don't know how media necessarily works there

Speaker 1 social media is a thing in some form i don't know how the con the company the company the country the oil fields i don't know how they restrict it

Speaker 15 will the fans if they see cm punk not just apologize to muhammad the fan but apologize to the kingdom apologize to muhammad himself no he's apologizing to the kingdom so i mean there i know but what if what about if he had apologized not to muhammad the fan but to muhammad muhammad i apologize to muhammad well no one's ever done that before

Speaker 15 see hey

Speaker 15 break new ground

Speaker 15 or you could say it's clabbering time muhammad no what if he rode a camel to the ring

Speaker 15 uh i didn't i'd think he was lawler in the mid-south coliseum but here's the

Speaker 15 The thing I'm thinking is overseas audiences traditionally cheer for people based on not only star power, but lingerie, how long you've been a star, how much of an icon you are.

Speaker 15 And because they're getting to see Cena and it's the retirement tour and everything, and

Speaker 15 there is a segment that hates punk with every fiber of their being and can't stand that anybody doesn't think he's anything other than just a slimy, no-good, disreputable, gum bumping sack of snake feces.

Speaker 15 And with that mixed mixed together, do you think

Speaker 15 it go the Cena way?

Speaker 15 The scenic route.

Speaker 15 Or apparently you don't.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 Again, Cena got cheered for the pipe bomb, but that's in the States. Not like they haven't seen it over there.

Speaker 1 He's the bigger star. Here's the question I have for you, and I don't know the answer off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 Any of the Cena appearances over the last six years, did he make several of the Saudi shows? I don't remember.

Speaker 15 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 15 I don't know off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 Because that's the other thing. If it's his first time there, obviously.
Well, it's his last time there, one way or another. Well, at least for wrestling.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 Maybe a big party somewhere.

Speaker 15 First time last time. Hey, they may, the prince may bring him over on a private jet to

Speaker 15 get him to apologize to Muhammad sometime.

Speaker 1 We'd like you to send over more wrestlers to apologize next time.

Speaker 15 Yes. Can we get

Speaker 15 some fresh apologies on the next super show?

Speaker 1 This could be Punk's new gimmick because now he has another thing to apply. Now he can apologize.
And by the way, I didn't push that kid.

Speaker 1 I didn't even see him. I thought I was being taken by a dwarf.

Speaker 15 I know a lawyer in Greensboro that can get him off for the same thing happened to me. The kid's dad sued.

Speaker 15 I've told that story before, but I can refer Punk to the attorney because we, you know,

Speaker 15 goddamn it. Anyway,

Speaker 15 you know, Brian, sometimes it makes me just want to

Speaker 15 just

Speaker 15 throw it all away, just get away from all this madness and pursue my dream. Build me a new business, plant it in the ground and watch it grow.

Speaker 15 into an empire from scratch with a new dream that I have that has nothing to do with wrestling and all about

Speaker 15 the all-purpose solvent, the formula that can dissolve anything. I just can't figure out what to put it in.

Speaker 15 Folks, if you've got a dream, if you wake up every morning thinking I could leave all this hustle, bustle, hurry, scurry, riffraff of the world and my job that nobody appreciates, and I could break away from this.

Speaker 15 burdensome life and this family and this wife and these kids and that mother-in-law and holy mackerel the neighbor i'd like to kick him in the ass.

Speaker 15 Just get away from it all and have your own private island. You got to start somewhere, don't you, Brian? You got to start somewhere.
And I say,

Speaker 15 you start with your dream and you go to Shopify and let them do the rest. They can do all that stuff from then down to purchasing the vacation home on the private island in the South Seas.

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It's amazing what they do.

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Speaker 15 and they can do the same thing for you.

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Speaker 1 Amazing is the word. Amazing as in it's not happening.
It's an amazing thought.

Speaker 15 Get the word out like you've got a marketing team behind you pushing you every step of the way, giving you an elbow and a ribs. And you can create social media campaigns.

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Speaker 15 with world-class expertise in everything from managing inventory to international shipping to processing returns to diagnosing that lump that you've got in your armpit.

Speaker 15 Oh my God, it's painful, especially when I hold my arm. They told me

Speaker 1 they didn't do anything with your armpits. So no, they didn't.

Speaker 15 I sent them a picture of it. Who?

Speaker 1 Who'd you send them?

Speaker 15 Well, you know, Elda, I said, hey, what can you do about this? Because they said they got world-class expertise in everything.

Speaker 15 But I'll tell you another thing. They have got a new sound effect.
They have sent it to show you how much money that they're going to make you. Our friends at Shopify sent the new cha-ching

Speaker 15 that they've got copyrighted and customized. And we're going to play.
Brian, can you play that right now when I ask you to play that right now?

Speaker 15 What the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 Didn't hear that?

Speaker 15 There you go. No, I heard it, but that's not, it's not a cash register.

Speaker 1 No, it's like,

Speaker 15 it's like a hamster going up and ringing a bell to get more seed.

Speaker 1 I guess what is the start there? Is it you throwing change in the jar? What is that?

Speaker 15 I think it's the rat that's pulling a rope on the little desk bell on the hotel desk. You see, it's like a hotel desk with a.

Speaker 1 I hear coins, like coins at the very beginning. Like Vince McMahon.

Speaker 15 Three coins in the fountain. Well, folks, Shopify can do everything except make sound effects, but they can turn your big, big business idea into kaching.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the sign.

Speaker 15 Yes.

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Our good friends at Shopify, we use them. You should too.

Speaker 15 Listen to this again.

Speaker 15 See, I don't know what's going on there. There's a variety of things happening.
Possibly somebody's trying to get the traffic lights changed so they can walk at the crosswalk.

Speaker 15 Shopify.com slash cornet.

Speaker 15 Well, Brian, last week, I guess it was on the program here, we started another thing that I found in my files: the TNA agent reports that I'd sent out weeks before

Speaker 15 my departure from the company. Terry Taylor had asked for them, wanted to be honest,

Speaker 15 tell us just like you'd tell us in person, Jim,

Speaker 15 and on the matches that I was directly involved in producing and in my overall thoughts on everything else that happened at the taping. And I guess if people want to catch up, it's on YouTube.

Speaker 15 You can go back and watch or watch, listen to last week's experience, or you can go to YouTube and listen to the clip but it's the agent report we did the pay-per-view and the first TV after

Speaker 15 hard justice uh 2009

Speaker 15 was the pay-per-view and then the TV afterwards and that's kind of what we're doing here we're reading through what I was telling them

Speaker 15 that I thought was going on with their television show as of that period of time. This was after

Speaker 15 Jeff was gone and then Savio was gone and then Road Dog was gone and then Dutch was gone.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I'm trying to

Speaker 15 not only be the lead producer, but also as Jeff had asked me, try to not let

Speaker 15 our friend go too far and the whole thing go to shit, right? So I got a lot of people I'm trying to make happy here. Have I summarized that?

Speaker 1 I think so. And just something to point out, after the first one, first installment, the first two different things that we did went up.

Speaker 1 Matt Morgan was on the YouTube page making comments about this time because you talked about him. And we have something here from the Cult of Cornet Facebook group.

Speaker 15 Well, now, wait a minute, wait a minute. Don't, don't, hold on.
Don't gloss over that. Matt Morgan was on the internet making comments.
A lot of times people would think, oh, what's he have to say?

Speaker 15 He's bitching. No, he was very complimentary and kind of was validating what we were saying.

Speaker 15 I just wanted to not gloss over that, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 This was posted in the group on Facebook by Doug Dirdle aka Doug Williams

Speaker 1 color me oh okay color me surprised to hear Jim talk about the six-minute street fight myself and Nick had with beer money and TNA on the experience I remember it specifically due to the following exchange after the match

Speaker 1 and he wrote me any good

Speaker 1 and then your response no but you got the best out of it that you could

Speaker 1 I took it as a compliment with a smiley face emoji. So, we hear from some of the talent you've talked about in these

Speaker 1 already.

Speaker 15 Oh,

Speaker 15 it was a

Speaker 15 trying time.

Speaker 15 And we were all trying, but there were forces beyond our control.

Speaker 15 Oh, Dixie Land, I'll take my stand. Anyway, so would you like to pick back up with another one of the episodes of Impact? This was 448,

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 that was the episode number. And no, I don't think they had done 448 of them.
No, they'd have been on for 10 years in 2009. I don't know what their numbering system was, but I went with it.
Okay.

Speaker 15 The first match, Suicide,

Speaker 15 who you will remember was a masked wrestler that at least at a lot of points was Frankie Kazarian.

Speaker 15 I think, right?

Speaker 15 You remember?

Speaker 1 I think so too, yeah.

Speaker 15 And then I think they had somebody else do it if he got hurt or whatever the case.

Speaker 15 But anyway, Suicide versus Samoa Joe.

Speaker 15 And then it was to be the Pope D'Angelo De Niro, Elijah Burke, and Chris Daniels were to get involved and turn it into a tag team match. Suicide and Daniels, Joe and Pope.

Speaker 15 Suicide versus Joe was good. Joe worked hard again, but Pope and Daniels' involvement came a little too quickly.
It all happened at the same time. The fans didn't know and liked it.

Speaker 15 The cause was Pope not knowing he needed Pope street clothes and having to go shopping that day, which delayed everyone getting together until late in the day.

Speaker 15 It wasn't a big problem because the fans couldn't tell, and the show was heavy anyway. The tag match was good and got everything accomplished it was supposed to.

Speaker 15 They jumped their spot, right?

Speaker 15 And sometimes it happens, but they saw their their cue was A will body slam B and B accidentally body slammed A and whatever the fuck. Right.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 the problem was

Speaker 15 Elijah Burke shows up, his debut, he's got all his fucking gear. He doesn't have goddamn clothes to make him look like Huggy Bear on Starsky and Hutch.

Speaker 15 So he had to go out and find some shit because our friend Mr. Russo, who I will call by his Christian name during the course of this, so that everybody knows exactly who to point a finger at.

Speaker 15 He's, oh, yeah, you didn't really got to do that. Oh, shit.
So you had to go out and buy shit, right?

Speaker 15 Anyway, comments on that one.

Speaker 1 On that match, I don't remember the match. I don't think I watched it, but

Speaker 1 I mean, it's interesting to hear your perspective as, I mean, technically, you're the agent. You're filing an agent's report.
Were you the agent for the match?

Speaker 15 Yes. These that I'm talking about, I was the agent for the match, and then I have other random thoughts on other stuff because I was the agent in the truck for everything as we covered.

Speaker 1 And by the way, we mentioned that Matt Morgan comment on YouTube earlier.

Speaker 1 It starts with this: I don't think fans understand how difficult it was for Jimmy to turn to these agent reports, knowing the head of our creative was an absolute moron.

Speaker 15 Well, that kind of gives you the tone of the thing. Anyway,

Speaker 15 Rhino versus Jesse Neal.

Speaker 15 Do you remember Jesse Neal?

Speaker 1 I remember the name. I hadn't thought of the name in forever.
I don't remember the person. I remember the name, though.

Speaker 15 Well, and as a matter of fact, you know what? Google him if you can, if he's even Googleable at this point for a second, because he got badly injured.

Speaker 15 He was a young rookie. I can't remember how they found him, but it's another thing.
Oh,

Speaker 15 everybody, Dixie was high on everybody.

Speaker 15 Let's get this kid over.

Speaker 15 I really, again, I don't remember where they found him or how he got trained or whatever. But he started out and got badly hurt and couldn't wrestle anymore.

Speaker 15 And they said, well, you've got a job for life as a producer or whatever the fuck. And then not long after that, they fired him.
And I don't know whatever happened to him.

Speaker 15 I hadn't thought about him either. I looked up this or looked at this paper.

Speaker 15 Can you find anything on him?

Speaker 1 Wikipedia, I'm just scanning through, there's a lot. Whoever entered the stuff here is a big fan of his stuff on the indies.
They entered a lot about it.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah, he was frightened. They found him.
He was already working indies or whatever.

Speaker 15 Well, while you find that, I will say the quick match, but exactly it was laid out, no problems. Rhino is still a babyface to the fans because they tried to switch him heel.

Speaker 15 But this mistreatment of Jesse got him a little heat. I know Jesse is supposed to be a rookie, quote unquote, but he continues to wear a sweatshirt and gym shorts to wrestle in.

Speaker 15 The deal was that he was brand new and they had introduced him some kind of way in a

Speaker 15 typical Russo Markish.

Speaker 15 I said, I feel it makes him look outlaw or indie, and folks just switching on our show makes us look Bush League. If he needs to wear tights, if people are expected to buy him as a pro

Speaker 15 on a program of this level, anyway, more on Jesse Neal.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Jesse Neal revealed in an interview with Brian Alvarez that TNA Wrestling refused to pay his hefty medical bills stemming from the neck injury he suffered at the May pay-per-view event, Sacrifice.

Speaker 1 The injury, what a hell of an event to get hurt on.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The injury occurred during the conclusion of the match, pitting Inc. Inc.

Speaker 1 against Mexican America when Hernandez executed a dominator-like finisher on Neal.

Speaker 15 Oh,

Speaker 1 an MRI showed he had a bulged disc after being spiked into the mat. Oh, geez.
You remember it now?

Speaker 15 No, but what I'm fixing to get to here in just a little while

Speaker 15 is going to tie in.

Speaker 1 Neil parted ways with TNA last month after organization officials asked him to relocate from Florida to Louisville, Kentucky. to further his wrestling training at Ohio Valley Wrestling.

Speaker 15 That's when they had made a deal with Danny Davis.

Speaker 1 He was unable to comply with the request because the money they were offering, quote, wasn't even anything close to live on.

Speaker 1 So there's a little bit of info.

Speaker 15 Yeah, well,

Speaker 15 that's one that's been forgotten is how they dealt with him. He was, you know, well thought of at one point until, oh, shit, this might cost us money.
I wonder if they gave him an action figure.

Speaker 15 He wasn't around long enough to have one.

Speaker 15 And that, what pay-per-view sacrifice sacrifice that would have been since he was just starting here. They said I was about to finish.
That would have been 2010,

Speaker 15 right?

Speaker 1 There's not a date on this, so I couldn't tell you. I'd have to look it up.

Speaker 15 But he, yeah, but it wasn't long. Anyway, the next match, and then we'll get to something here in a minute.
Matt Morgan, Scott Steiner, and Booker T versus Hernandez, AJ Styles, and Sting.

Speaker 15 Good

Speaker 15 tag.

Speaker 15 Everyone was easy to work with. Booker did everything I asked of him, which was very little and nothing more.

Speaker 1 Wow, what's that? What's that about?

Speaker 15 After his recent talking to's, he was not going to cause any problems and instead came off to everyone as if he was humoring us with his presence and was clearly disinterested.

Speaker 1 Whoa, what the fuck's going on with Booker T?

Speaker 15 Everyone knows his MO and just worked around him.

Speaker 1 Jesus, right?

Speaker 15 Well, I mean,

Speaker 15 here's the thing. Certain people

Speaker 15 that came from the WWF,

Speaker 15 Kurt Angle set aside completely because he was a case by himself. He was just a maniac with working, injured, hurt, do the best ever.
He's an Olympic champion, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 15 But other people that came from the WWF at the E, whatever, had different ways of processing what the fuck they walked into.

Speaker 15 And in some cases, it was sit back and just bilk them for all the money that they can. In other times, it was, oh, we're going to try to do a good job here to not embarrass ourselves.

Speaker 15 Mick Foley was always, oh, I want to pitch in.

Speaker 15 Booker at first.

Speaker 15 came in and was going to change the world, baby.

Speaker 15 And then when he realized it was a fucking disorganized shit show,

Speaker 15 he just checked out and started auditioning accents for his acting career.

Speaker 15 He had a British accent one week and a Jamaican accent one week. And

Speaker 15 then he just, you know, it was like, ah, what the fuck? This shit doesn't make any sense. That was the whole

Speaker 15 air that he had. This doesn't make any sense.
I don't give a shit. What are you going to do? And then they talked to him every once in a while, as I referred to.
It wasn't me.

Speaker 15 I wasn't giving him the talking to.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 he, you know, because

Speaker 15 it was hard for a while.

Speaker 15 Dixie and or Terry Taylor, I don't know whoever, because Jeff was gone.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 he at first he questioned everything because there was a question for everything.

Speaker 15 But a lot of people realized the parameters they were working under and just let's take it and make it better. But he didn't,

Speaker 15 he didn't want to take it and make it better. He just would ask what all the fuck was wrong with creative every time all the time, bogged down.
Why would we do this?

Speaker 15 How would we, what the fuck would that be about? Why would we say a thing like that? None of this shit makes any sense. So let's make it better, not just bitch about it.
Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 15 He wasn't right. Like I said, everybody processed it in different ways.
What now?

Speaker 1 He wasn't wrong in a lot of cases.

Speaker 15 No, he wasn't wrong, but he was goddamn pain to get anything done with while everybody else is sitting around going, all right, let's figure it out then.

Speaker 15 And that's because he was, you know, gob smacked at why. Yes, well, look at this fucking idiot over here.
That's why. Now let's figure it out how to fix it.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 when he got talked to for fucking over-questioning everything, then he just sat back and said, what the fuck, and practiced accents and whatever.

Speaker 15 Anyway,

Speaker 15 however, going on

Speaker 15 with the description: in this match, my priorities were Hernandez being super mech, furthering Morgan's story with Angle and making AJ as strong as possible since his first match back from nearly quitting after all his setbacks.

Speaker 15 That was a storyline thing.

Speaker 15 And as we've mentioned, Hernandez, they wanted him to be a Latino superstar as a single when they broke him away from homicide, or yeah, from homicide.

Speaker 15 And he had never been pushed as a single before, and he had actually

Speaker 15 not worked before TNA for any major league promotion at a high level. So he still needed some work, but he was in his 30s and time was running out.
So we needed, they wanted me to

Speaker 15 especially invest in Hernandez.

Speaker 15 Anyway, continuing, I deliberately had Booker and Sting start so we could shine Sting a little and Booker couldn't pull any shenanigans with him. Then had Steiner, who understood the situation.

Speaker 15 It was my veteran anchor, Sean AJ, then saved Hernandez and Morgan for the spotlight of the break spot.

Speaker 15 Everyone, including myself, has always told Matt as a giant, he shouldn't let anyone manhandle him like I had Hernandez do, because then it meant something when he did.

Speaker 15 Sean gave, and Sean Hernandez is his name. Sean gave Matt a 15-second delayed vertical suplex,

Speaker 15 then hit his Air Mexico dive for the break, so he was gold.

Speaker 15 Then I had had AJ sell for the Heels Heat. Sting actually offered to sell and give Hernandez the tag,

Speaker 15 but I explained that I see AJ as a Ricky Morton who gets over by selling and then triumphing over the long odds, and especially in his first match back from his losing streak.

Speaker 15 I wanted AJ to do most of the work

Speaker 15 in this situation.

Speaker 15 AJ hit a great hot tag, parenthetically not the WWE simultaneous tags that suck, to Hernandez, who cleaned house and looked strong doing it, breaking into a six-way sting.

Speaker 15 And Booker got tangled up with the referee and took him to the floor with him.

Speaker 15 AJ and Steiner went where they were supposed to on the floor. This left Matt and Hernandez in the ring.

Speaker 15 As Matt stopped Hernandez, Steiner, who I put in this position because I knew I could rely on him to be there, came in with the chair. And Matt said, no way I'm falling for that again.

Speaker 15 And as they argued, Hernandez blasted him into a double knockout and tagged AJ in for the flying press and the pin on Morgan. The babyfaces got over and left.

Speaker 15 Morgan laid out Steiner and Booker, and we went off the air with Morgan and Angles staring each other down.

Speaker 15 It's there was a lot of different stories that we had to tell in that match because of the pay-per-views

Speaker 15 ongoing that we had monthly, where we were trying to build those people and those issues. But at the same time,

Speaker 15 that we had a creative director that was just booking all the top stars in big fucking matches every week for ratings.

Speaker 15 So you had to straddle that

Speaker 15 balance beam.

Speaker 1 So looking back now, because I mean, you're talking about a match, and the people you're naming are guys today that are either freshly retired or like staying, even though he was an older guy.

Speaker 1 who are still active, but maybe towards the end of their career like AJ.

Speaker 1 I don't know where Hernandez is. I have no idea what,

Speaker 1 if he's still wrestling somewhere, I don't know what I doubt he is because we haven't heard anything. But looking back now,

Speaker 1 was it that he wasn't the right guy? Was it just the booking? Was it more than the booking? Did he have a ceiling? Like, they obviously wanted him to be their big star for at least a time.

Speaker 1 If George Scott in 1978 was booking, could it have happened? Like, was he the right guy for that? Or what do you think? Yeah,

Speaker 15 he was the right guy for the spot. In most ways, he was a little early.

Speaker 15 And I mean, I'm not all done with Hernandez here, but I'll jump ahead. I'll jump ahead in this after the random thoughts, because here's what

Speaker 15 I was trying to get done.

Speaker 15 The bottom of the report, also, I spoke to Hernandez about coming to Louisville sometime in September for a weekend to watch tapes, get in the ring with sparring partners, and have a personal course in selling and promos from myself and Danny Davis.

Speaker 15 He's all for it. He only asked that it be private as he doesn't want it on the internet that he is being sent for training.

Speaker 15 And I wholeheartedly agree we can keep it quiet here, but everyone in the TNA office that needs to be aware of what we're doing needs also to know it's not for public consumption.

Speaker 15 I'm going to meet with Danny early next week to get information on when the arena would be available and request two specific individuals to work with Sean.

Speaker 15 So please send a DVD of all of his recent matches and promos.

Speaker 15 And when we get the date nailed down, I'll pull some stuff from my library also.

Speaker 15 They had,

Speaker 15 as I said,

Speaker 15 and here's another thing. He was from Texas and he is of Hispanic origin, but he was not actually not only not fluent in Spanish,

Speaker 15 but I don't think he spoke it at all when he got started. They wanted him to learn because he was, you know,

Speaker 15 he hadn't grown up in a house where they spoke Spanish. But they were also, they wanted to send him to Mexico

Speaker 15 where they thought that, you know, he might get more ring time.

Speaker 15 But I explained that the problem is, again, if you want to teach somebody how to work on American television, the last thing you want to do is start them out in Mexico.

Speaker 15 Right? So he might get some fucking ring time, but who knows what the fuck he's going to learn?

Speaker 15 I was trying to lay his stuff out. He was incredibly strong, just incredibly strong, and could demonstrate it like a Dr.
Death or a goddamn Road Warrior animal.

Speaker 15 But at the same time, he had a few snazzy moves he could do, the splash and the flying slingshot shoulder block for a guy that size. That was impressive.

Speaker 15 And so I kind of did what, what, you know, in a lot of his little angles and the things before people, several people might get him down

Speaker 15 is choreograph a burst of 30 seconds or a minute where he would just fling people one after another and make a big impression.

Speaker 15 And then I wanted to be able to teach him how to sell without dying and staying immobile as a big, powerful giant. You can't just take the guy down and hold him in a leg lock.

Speaker 15 He needs to to be selling and fighting and off balance and et cetera.

Speaker 15 And I thought that might be better

Speaker 15 done in, you know, in Louisville here where we could take some time with it because we didn't have any ring time down there.

Speaker 15 And the clock was ticking because he was in his 30s. So that's why he's not wrestling.
This is 15 years ago. He was in his late 30s.
That's right. I hope to God he's not still wrestling.

Speaker 1 I forgot he was that old.

Speaker 15 So, but he was the right guy if we could have taken more care with him, If the booking helped him and if we could have brought him up speed in the ring, he was a tremendous person,

Speaker 15 really wanted to get better and had gifts that you couldn't teach, being as strong as a goddamn ox and being able to move at that size

Speaker 15 and having the dedication to want to learn.

Speaker 1 And the trip never happened, right?

Speaker 15 No, that's the thing. I'm about to get fired, as I mentioned.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 that's one of the big reasons why Hernandez never happened.

Speaker 15 Because,

Speaker 15 you know, then Dixie had all kinds of other shit to worry about. And Russo didn't know anything about how to get a fucking guy like that over.

Speaker 15 So, you know,

Speaker 15 he was too serious for Russo. And

Speaker 15 anyway, well, let's, so thoughts on that, and then I'll go back and finish this report.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I have no other thoughts. I've asked you a few questions.
We can keep moving.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 that's the thing is when you said Hernandez dropped a guy's head, I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 15 You know, he didn't do it on purpose and he didn't do it from being unprofessional or not caring, but he could have used,

Speaker 15 he could have used some reps in the training center, as they say. That's what we were trying to do.
And to teach him to think also about as a single.

Speaker 15 And as a top guy, he was very humble and he didn't think like a fucking main event guy because he'd he'd never been in that position before.

Speaker 1 Anyhow, if any of you millionaire main event wrestlers want this treatment, one-on-one treatment with Jim and Danny Davis working with you for a weekend,

Speaker 1 it ain't cheap, but get in touch.

Speaker 15 Well, no, well, Danny Davis would have to do it on the beach down near Pensacola.

Speaker 1 It ain't cheap at this point, it ain't cheap.

Speaker 15 And if you could do, if you can do yard work and we'll clean out the creek,

Speaker 15 uh, rest of this report in the World Elite interview. Now, this is another group

Speaker 15 again russo is taking eric young was from canada and sheik bashir who was sean davari was from wherever the he was supposed to be from in the middle east and they had a japanese kid

Speaker 15 and i think and the the a the brits they are friends the brits they were in it for a while just the world elite group of everybody that's from another country on the roster whether they're elite or not honestly in some cases

Speaker 15 But I said in the World Elite interview, Bashir gets a ton of heat in his promo and takes Vince's material, makes it his own, and adds great stuff.

Speaker 15 Eric Young mostly recites what is written for him and does it so slowly that in the truck, we were cueing the crickets.

Speaker 15 And I'm not.

Speaker 15 Eric Young will be a bone of contention here as we work our way through these last days.

Speaker 15 Eric Young was a nice guy. Eric Young was a good hard worker.
Eric Young was a very good in-ring guy. Eric Young was not an exciting promo.

Speaker 15 And Eric Young had been presented as an underneath comedy babyface

Speaker 15 that was

Speaker 15 when he would do his entrance, the pyro would go off and it would scare him and he would fall down on the ramp.

Speaker 15 Every show for like months and months.

Speaker 15 And suddenly, as I mentioned, because he was Canadian,

Speaker 15 Russo wanted to put him in the top fucking heel group he's putting together of these guys.

Speaker 15 So anyway, Bashir, in my opinion, is the key to the World Elite Heat and by far the group's best promo. I had a long talk with Hernandez about this promo.
He is still nervous about speaking.

Speaker 15 and was also smart enough to know that if he goes too far with the USA flag waving,

Speaker 15 because he was supposed to come out waving the fucking american flag even though he's the latino super and of course it not as bad as it would be now but still it was we're trying to go in another direction here right let's not confuse people

Speaker 15 uh he's concerned that he could be seen as a latino uncle tom that was a quote unquote

Speaker 15 to his people because ultimately if the Latino people have a superstar, he must be Latino first, first, American, second.

Speaker 15 I explained to him how to bring the impact zone fans into it by saying us and we

Speaker 15 and hitting his cadence to deliver his go home line, and he did very well. He did, however, break eye contact with the heels while telling them off.

Speaker 15 And I'll work with him on how to pause to regroup his thoughts without dropping the intensity in eye contact. Do you notice that some guys do that?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 They will, will

Speaker 15 they'll be telling somebody off and all of a sudden they might not be sure of exactly the thing they're going to say next so they will stop and turn and they'll walk off like they're so disgusted with that person they must gather themselves you don't need to do that

Speaker 15 take a fucking couple of breaths and stare in a guy's eyes

Speaker 15 and fucking make it look like you're meaning to gather up some

Speaker 15 vehemence and venom and then fucking do your thing. But when you break the eye or when you break the eye contact and still keep talking, it's even worse.
But nevertheless,

Speaker 15 guns, machine guns, that was them, versus Abyss was good for what it was, but it just continues to marginalize the guns to have both of them beaten easily by one guy.

Speaker 15 The guns have a lot of talent and are the best in the business at what they do, which is a fast-paced high spot match. So I feel we should play more to their strengths.

Speaker 15 They will never be the main event tag team.

Speaker 15 And I may have been a little fucking harsh there, but at that point in time in the field, they probably weren't going to be used that way.

Speaker 15 I said, but they can add to our cards.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 under et cetera, I was very happy to see D'Lo Brown there and hear that he talked to Dixie about a possible agent wrestler spot.

Speaker 15 We need a guy like him in the ring, a veteran that's still young enough to go to provide in-ring experience to our next generation while not needing a $500,000 a year salary to be used in the main event.

Speaker 15 And if anybody thinks I was undercutting D'Lo, nobody was making 500 grand, but Sting and maybe Angle at that point in time. I've known D'Lo for 15 years.

Speaker 15 He's a dedicated, hard worker who will give us exactly what we ask for if it's clearly defined for him what his role is to be.

Speaker 15 He's an intelligent college graduate, a former CPA, and an accomplished worker.

Speaker 15 So I was trying to get him as some semblance of sanity

Speaker 15 in the ring and in the office. And

Speaker 15 I don't remember whether they brought him in then. I wasn't there, I may have mentioned.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 I don't think they brought him in then.

Speaker 15 Or, you know what? I think they've...

Speaker 15 I think they made him an offer, but they wanted him just to be a producer and retire from wrestling. And that was

Speaker 15 the fucking idea. He was a better worker than fucking most of the guys on the roster.
He could actually do the shit in the ring and then tell them what they did wrong afterwards.

Speaker 15 But I don't know about that. As I mentioned, I wasn't even that.

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Speaker 15 Alrighty then. Well,

Speaker 15 this is for the following set of tapings

Speaker 15 where we did

Speaker 15 one, hold on, one, well, we did two nights of taping. So, how many shows did we do here?

Speaker 15 449, 450,

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 451. So, we did three two-hour shows in two days.

Speaker 15 All right, now we're getting to the meat of the matter.

Speaker 15 So, the previous bunch of reports that I have read so far here and the last clip, that was the first set of agent reports I did for the pay-per-view and the two days of taping after they had asked me to do these things to begin with.

Speaker 15 So now this is the set

Speaker 15 of agent reports for the last set of TV tapings that I made

Speaker 15 in TNA.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I know I've told this story. I'm hating because a lot of people are going to say, oh, fuck, I don't want to go back to YouTube and hear the story of that, blah, blah.
So I will try to

Speaker 15 condense it as much as possible. Russo had booked another tournament.
Something was going to happen after this tournament.

Speaker 15 We might get some insight in these notes. I haven't read them word for word.

Speaker 15 But in the tournament,

Speaker 15 and at this point, I was being sent the TV formats

Speaker 15 like three, four days beforehand. If we were going to shoot on Monday, I might get them on Friday, whatever the fuck, right?

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 in this tournament, they were going to have, he was going to have Hernandez end up wrestling Sting,

Speaker 15 two babyfaces, Sting and Icon, and Hernandez, as we mentioned, the super mechanic were trying to get over and push as a Mexican superhero.

Speaker 15 And they're both babyfaces, and they end up in this tournament. But, Brian,

Speaker 15 Sting earlier on TV in another tournament match, Rhino has gored him and broken his ribs.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 so now when Sting goes in this match,

Speaker 15 he's got broken ribs.

Speaker 15 And this was 2009. This was 15 years ago.
So Sting was somewhere raised 50 years old, let's say.

Speaker 15 So he got a 50-year-old man with broken ribs going in the ring against a Super Mech. It's 300 fucking pounds and goddamn built like a fucking brick wall

Speaker 15 and they're both baby faces so hernandez doesn't want to take advantage of the guy's broken ribs but they were going to have him sneak up from behind staying and pin him while the heels were trying to interfere i say you mean to tell me that not only can the

Speaker 15 The 300-pound Super Mech superhero that everybody thinks is 20 years younger than Sting, even if he's not. And he's a babyface.

Speaker 15 And Sting's got broken ribs and he's 50 years old, but the guy still has to sneak up behind him while Sting's attention is distracted to beat him.

Speaker 15 So you're going to turn our Mexican superhero into a backstabbing fucking prick

Speaker 15 and that he couldn't beat the fucking guy up until then that is. ready for AARP and should have been taken to the hospital.
Am I overstating this, Brian, or do you get the picture?

Speaker 1 I get the picture.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 when I'd got that,

Speaker 15 I'd done something that I didn't do ever before in the three years that I'd worked there or afterwards since I wasn't going to work there very much longer.

Speaker 15 And I actually got on a phone with our friend Vince Russo

Speaker 15 to register how that we couldn't fucking do this. And let's do.

Speaker 15 Oh, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I left out one important thing.

Speaker 15 After he snug up and rolled up, rolled him up from behind. Then Eric Young was because the heels, the other members of the world elite had done all this distraction bullshit.

Speaker 15 There's like four, five, six heels at ringside.

Speaker 15 But then Eric Young is going to come from the crowd with a baseball bat and lay both Hernandez and Sting out and then cut a promo over them.

Speaker 15 And by the way, at our pay-per-view that was coming up in like fucking two weeks or whatever it was, Hernandez was in a a big match and Sting was in a big match.

Speaker 15 And I don't know if Eric Young was on the cart.

Speaker 15 And did I mention again that Eric Young had been the guy that was falling down from his own pyro? Now he's going to lay waste to our top baby faces and stand over them and talk for a while.

Speaker 15 So I talked to Russo in the car on the way down with Stace driving so I could talk and write.

Speaker 15 And I said, let's do something different

Speaker 15 to get to the same place and do a disqualification. And everybody don't want to do a DQ because he's a mark.
Also, he had read on the internet, oh, disqualifications are cheap. You know what?

Speaker 15 The alternative would have been, don't book the fucking match. That would have been an option.

Speaker 15 But the tournament.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 we talked for a while and agreed on a finish where the disqualification

Speaker 15 would take place somehow, even though nobody cheated because the heels came out and intervened. And it still got

Speaker 15 Hernandez fucking advanced or whatever, but

Speaker 15 nobody had to get beat or take advantage of anybody on the babyface side and all, and nobody got laid out with a baseball bat.

Speaker 15 So then I get to the taping

Speaker 15 and I see the format. They put it back.

Speaker 15 And so in the production meeting, I had to go and litigate this whole thing over again. What the fuck are we doing?

Speaker 15 They will all end up looking like shit with their dicks in their hands if they try to do this, all this interference and this and that with these multiple people.

Speaker 15 And you think, and you're making Hernandez look like a prick and an idiot because he can't beat the guy anyway and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 15 And let's put it back. So they put it back.

Speaker 15 And there were a lot of people still in the room going, oh, we don't want to do a DQ because this was the newer generation

Speaker 15 of the indie crowd from the 90s who had also learned,

Speaker 15 oh, you can't do disqualifications. Don't book the fucking match.

Speaker 15 So anyway, this is that set of tapings.

Speaker 15 But we start out

Speaker 15 with show 449,

Speaker 15 Rhino versus Sting.

Speaker 15 Both these guys were no problem whatsoever, very helpful and cooperative setting this up. And I thought their match was good and the finish was Sting over.

Speaker 15 And then Rhino's two gores to crack his ribs. Told the story perfectly.
Both executed it well.

Speaker 15 I didn't have Sting use the blood capsule to bleed from the mouth after the gores because of the high rate of those things looking kabuki-ish.

Speaker 15 And the guys as well agreed if he was bleeding from the mouth from cracked ribs, he might need to go to the hospital. Because that was again,

Speaker 15 this is what Russo would just write bullet points on the fucking format match.

Speaker 15 Rhino gore sting twice bleeds from mouth. And

Speaker 15 they were both looked at me like, because Sting was even looking at me like,

Speaker 15 I'm coming back again to wrestle.

Speaker 15 And Rhino's like, you know,

Speaker 15 he didn't want to say it, but he's like, if I gored a motherfucker twice, he's bleeding from the mouth. I think he needs surgery, you know,

Speaker 15 so.

Speaker 15 We didn't want to goddamn fuck it up at that point.

Speaker 15 So anyway, keeping it simple, Sting sold the gore as well, and it looked more real to the fans.

Speaker 15 We also asked for AJ not to have to do the save, since it would involve Rhino just leaving the ring with no contact. And AJ had two matches later in the show, plus a big run-in

Speaker 15 in the show closing brawl so the fans wouldn't get tired of him. Rhino left with the heat.
Good job by everybody.

Speaker 15 And again, this is, you know, an hour later after Sting, the icon, has taken these vicious gores. he's got to come back and wrestlers, 300-pound beast who's a babyface.
And

Speaker 15 how do you have a match without taking advantage of his broken ribs? What do you do to him?

Speaker 15 You know, either that or it's, it looks like Hernandez is, oh, this fucking guy, his ribs, I'll, you know, so anyway.

Speaker 15 But first, Hernandez has to get there, right? He's got to

Speaker 15 advance. I'm sorry, did you have any comments on

Speaker 1 this? This is absolutely fascinating. Keep going.

Speaker 15 Okay, so Homicide versus Hernandez.

Speaker 15 Obviously, I had high hopes for this match. Both guys were anxious to get with me and work stuff out.
No problems at all. I gave them the framework of a match and had them put their moves to it.

Speaker 15 I also requested specific things Hernandez do or not do to remain Super Mex.

Speaker 15 Homicide worked hard to shine him, and the first part of the match was good. But it slowed down when Homicide got the heat on Sean's leg.

Speaker 15 I wanted him to stay all over the leg like a rabbit nelson royal and he was methodical like a tiny don jardine

Speaker 15 this combined with hernandez just not being able yet to sell without dying and losing his aura meant that the match didn't have the passion i'd hoped for

Speaker 15 again that's what

Speaker 15 you know the big guy bounces the little heel around like a super ball But then the little heel has to be a pit bull. He has to be aggressive.

Speaker 15 When he went after the leg, keep chop blocking, tearing, ripping, kicking.

Speaker 15 Hernandez had to keep trying to stand up, pull himself up on the ropes, and get his base taken out, not just lay there in a leg bar, right?

Speaker 15 And that's the, you know,

Speaker 15 that's the fine point that they needed work on.

Speaker 15 Anyway,

Speaker 15 the finish was fine. The story got told well.

Speaker 15 As I said in the meeting, the reason I suggested homicide finally accept the handshake, but look so bummed about it, was to not telegraph quite so much the following night's turn.

Speaker 15 Any mistakes these guys made were from inexperience in doing these types of angles and not any lack of effort. I explained to both the next day, especially Sean, in more detail, and they understood.

Speaker 15 When you get a chance, please email me. Open dates on Sean

Speaker 15 in October. Well, this is

Speaker 15 the dates of the tapings are August 31st and September 1st. So dates on Sean in October, so I can see about availability of myself in the arena to give him the clinic.

Speaker 15 And I think he may have been,

Speaker 15 they may have booked him to Mexico already at that point in time. He may have had something going on.

Speaker 15 But anyway, so now these two guys have to wrestle each other, right? Because they won their tournament match.

Speaker 15 And here we go. Hernandez versus Sting.

Speaker 15 I know that there was a lot of discussion back and forth on what to do in this match.

Speaker 15 And to be fair to everyone, there was no way this match at this time could have been a positive thing, no matter how it was done.

Speaker 15 We just had to get Sting advanced in the tournament. I'm sorry.
Sting was going to get advanced.

Speaker 15 And I had it the other way around.

Speaker 15 Vince and I talked on his original finish because so many finishes happen. Vince and I talked on his original finish, and I thought what we had was a good way to get out of it.

Speaker 15 But when I got to TV and saw the revised one, with all due respect, anyone who contributed to that one, the reason why I argued so strongly against it was because there was just no way those two guys on that night under those conditions with that amount of interference in that amount of time could possibly have performed it.

Speaker 15 We kept the original premise of Sting with cracked ribs facing Hernandez to see who gets a title match. Hernandez didn't want to fight a guy with an injury, but he had to in order to advance.

Speaker 15 Just a few minutes into the match, Eric Young, disguised as homicide, came came out and attacked Sting in order to show Hernandez he was on his side, but the referee caught him and disqualified Hernandez.

Speaker 15 After the DQ, Security accidentally revealed it was Eric Young who had cost Super Mex his title shot.

Speaker 15 With that being the simple version, I thought the guys did a good job getting out of an awkward situation. Nobody hurt their image.
Security and Eric were right there where they needed to be.

Speaker 15 And everybody performed this well to get story over, except

Speaker 15 whoever was the costume person that dressed Eric Young up as homicide sunk the ship.

Speaker 15 He didn't even have a cap on that big melon head, and his bare arms with no tattoos were showing to the point where live Taz couldn't even call him homicide as it was obvious.

Speaker 15 But then there's more. There's more to go on.
Anyway, we went to break with the reveal and came back with Hernandez in the ring. He did all right calling Eric Eric Young back out.

Speaker 15 And we had it set up for World Elite to attack Sean and him to make a comeback on all except Eric Young before they stopped him. I didn't like the way the heels fed him.

Speaker 15 Doug and Brutus took one bump each and rolled away before Bashir and Kiyashi were there.

Speaker 15 Again, they're all over the country, all over the world here, these countries. It left Sean wandering a bit looking for someone to hit.
The heels got okay heat.

Speaker 15 Then the run-ins and brawl with AJ, Beer, Money, 3D, Booker, and Steiner started and was wild and exciting.

Speaker 15 So again, it's just like it was 18 people. I know, I know.

Speaker 15 You couldn't.

Speaker 15 The next day, I got with Hernandez and World Elite and explained to them that they didn't have the luxury of one of them getting the other one over. Both their pushes are new.

Speaker 15 So they have to get each other over. They have to make Sean look like King Kong and then pick his bones when they get their heat.

Speaker 15 They understood, and in that day's TV, next report, they were perfect.

Speaker 15 But anyway, this was this just everybody again. Does this sound familiar? 16 people have to run in,

Speaker 15 people have to be disguised coming over the rail.

Speaker 15 And I'm taking

Speaker 15 a shit that believe that was the simple version.

Speaker 15 That was the like, here can we do it this way so people people will understand it version.

Speaker 15 Would you like some thoughts on random matches? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 Random thoughts on other matches. Sabin versus A.J.
Styles was very good.

Speaker 15 Christy Hemi's forte in this business is not wrestling.

Speaker 15 Doug Williams versus AJ was good. Our biggest problem on this night was from a production standpoint.
We had delays in between many of the segments.

Speaker 15 In one case, we had to hold the truck in the live event to shoot a location promo offline, but in real time backstage. As a result, the audio had

Speaker 15 bleed over

Speaker 15 of Pinser promoing the crowd because there was no communication between the truck and offline crew.

Speaker 15 Keith and David are working to make sure these segments are done differently from now on, but they still cause a delay for the crowd. I think we should only do them when absolutely necessary.

Speaker 15 We ended up doing a two-hour show and half of another in three hours, 45 minutes, more than real time with no commercials and not rolling in the pre-tapes. The crowd was tired.

Speaker 15 We lost a lot because even though individual matches and segments were good, no rhythm was established. Dipshit

Speaker 15 would stop the goddamn live event while we had it going out in the building in front of the people because one of his backstage promos,

Speaker 15 it'll have more impact if it's shot live, bro. It needs to be live because they've done some other things.
It's got to be. So he would

Speaker 15 hold the goddamn live event up to shoot a fucking location promo offline somewhere in the back, but in

Speaker 15 real time

Speaker 15 because it would make it fit better that way.

Speaker 15 Anyway, random thoughts.

Speaker 1 Random thoughts, random matches.

Speaker 15 Then I've got one more TV taping before I'm done.

Speaker 15 Would you like to hear that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, one more. This is good.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 There was an in-ring interview with the world elite and Hernandez and Homicide, where homicide was finally going to turn on Hernandez.

Speaker 15 Full-fledged, apparently.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I wrote, as we discussed in the meeting, I laid this out to be as big a shock as possible when homicide turned. We had to first not tip off that homicide was in on the plan,

Speaker 15 have Hernandez hit and be super mech, surprise him with the turn, then get a heavy heat on Hernandez and have Homicide welcomed into the family by Eric Young.

Speaker 15 So again, now homicide's from fucking.

Speaker 15 Actually, I think Brooklyn, but

Speaker 15 he's Puerto Rican. So he's going into the world elite group with the Japanese guy, the Canadian guy, the British people.

Speaker 15 The fucking, where else was the other fellows from?

Speaker 1 Eurasia.

Speaker 15 Eurasia.

Speaker 15 So anyway, Eric Young did okay with calling Hernandez out.

Speaker 15 Or else homicide would suffer. So apparently, oh, they had kidnapped homicide and they had him down and they said, Hernandez, get out of here.

Speaker 15 But he didn't exactly rouse up a lot of fear or suspense. Hold Eric Young.

Speaker 15 Hernandez hit strong doing the spot I gave him where he chucked Doug and Brutus and Rob and Kiyoshi and Bashir from the ring in seconds. And they all fed him great.

Speaker 15 Eric was right there with the chair for him to snatch and then bailed. We can't let

Speaker 15 the baby faces get to Eric Young or his heat will be gone. He's not a guy they want to see beaten up all the time that badly.
Homicide was right on target with the stiff chair from behind.

Speaker 15 Then all the heels got a shot and it was better, though not yet classic heat. I thought the touch of homicide bearing Sean in the LAX flag was nice heat.

Speaker 15 We didn't play any music in the truck so we could hear fans mad and yelling and homicide played off of it and got some heat and good camera shots. Sahati was very happy.
All these guys did a good job.

Speaker 15 They listened and were very diligent in all their segments.

Speaker 15 So now, you know, we were setting up again

Speaker 15 Hernandez in this battle with these

Speaker 15 international menaces,

Speaker 15 including homicide.

Speaker 15 Random thought. I've got random thoughts, and then I've got more match, but we'll get to that in a second then, I guess.
Random thoughts.

Speaker 15 Oh, Devon versus Roode versus Williams versus Steiner. This never got going for me.
It was supposed to be a tag team gauntlet match. There was an idea to change it to a four corners match, etc.

Speaker 15 The match had already started before we came on the air because the teams were about to get into it.

Speaker 15 And they did a pretty good job with the partners in the ring getting worked on to set up their partner's tag on his entrance. Yeah, this was this.

Speaker 15 They've got

Speaker 15 the teams aren't out there.

Speaker 15 They're like a guy's wrestling and he might be in trouble, but suddenly music plays and his partner comes out. And you can see how this was going.

Speaker 15 And then I said, James Storm, the last entrance, came out on stage as his partner was in the ring selling.

Speaker 15 He was wearing a football helmet with two beer cans and slapping two noise sticks together.

Speaker 15 I got hot and he came to the truck later and I told him why. I said, he's better than that than to have to always be silly or funny or wacky.

Speaker 15 The fans may like it, but when it's constant or over the top or uncalled for in a situation like that,

Speaker 15 yeah, your partner's fucking in trouble, but you're going to write a customized beer cooler to the ring.

Speaker 15 I told him the fans want a cool beer money,

Speaker 15 like a Tully and Arn type wrestling heel team with personality,

Speaker 15 opposite personalities that are, you know,

Speaker 15 the oddballs, the odd ducks, partners that can wrestle. I believe Storm and especially Roode are main event players in TNA.

Speaker 15 I'd like to see Storm work on being serious.

Speaker 15 And he had a finally, when they let him do some shit, he had a

Speaker 15 plenty good run, as I recall,

Speaker 15 down there. Wonder what is he doing these days?

Speaker 15 Where is James Storm? You don't hear from him. I mean, I'm not advocating for everybody to wrestle into their fucking 50s.
I can't remember how old he is, but this is 15 years ago when he was 30.

Speaker 15 Had to be.

Speaker 1 Where's his old partner? What was it, Chris Harris? Was that it?

Speaker 15 Chris Harris. Oh, my God.
America's Most Unwanted.

Speaker 15 Poor fella. He just

Speaker 15 pooped to bed. Who pooped to bed? Okay, here's a match.
Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe with Matt Morgan against AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels with Sting.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 15 I don't even remember why all those people are friendly with each other.

Speaker 15 All six of these guys are always easy to work with and no exception here. I had a private talk with Joe to to pep him up, stemming from our agent meeting last TVs.

Speaker 15 I told him he can't lose focus, whether in singles, tags, part of a group, heel, or babyface. Just be the badass explosive Samoa Joe, regardless of the situation, and he'll get over.

Speaker 15 He certainly worked very hard here and in his singles match with Morgan. And this was when, remember,

Speaker 15 He'd been kidnapped and thrown in the trunk of a car. We forgot to mention that one last week.
They had him at goofy fake tattoo on his face. He was wearing pants.

Speaker 15 He had been a heel, a babyface. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

Speaker 15 And he just got, again, he a different way than Booker T, who was just, ah, fuck it.

Speaker 15 He just was, you know, sullen about it and depressed and needed to pick his fire back up.

Speaker 15 Anyway.

Speaker 15 This was a real good tag match. They did the finish with Morgan's quote-unquote miscue

Speaker 15 just as laid out. And both Morgan's facials and his elevator on angle did wonders for him in the story.

Speaker 15 And then the following show was show number 451.

Speaker 15 Bashir

Speaker 15 and Kiyoshi versus Hernandez.

Speaker 15 That dreaded Middle Eastern Japanese alliance against Mexico.

Speaker 15 Okay, I explained to the heels that they had to make Hernandez look unbeatable for this angle, and they both did it cheerfully.

Speaker 15 Even though they had never done a couple of the strongman spots I asked for, I explained them and they did great. I tried an experiment

Speaker 15 for Hernandez selling. After manhandling both heels, I had him get rid of Kiyoshi and Bashir stop him.

Speaker 15 I told Bashir to light him up with chops, punches, and broad arms for 45 seconds and told Sean to sell around the ropes to the right in a circle.

Speaker 15 Selling, but staying on his feet, he does better, but he still forgets to swing back that's a rip rogers drill

Speaker 15 because

Speaker 15 rip in wrestling class would say you know a lot of guys well

Speaker 15 i got a tv match but they only let me get a minute of heat you can't get a getting heat in a minute and he would have guys take a stopwatch and click it and he would take a guy in the ring and get heat on him for 60 seconds one minute and in that minute of time he would take that guy and chop him and broad arm him and rake his back and thumb his eyes and run his head in the turnbuckle and boot him in the gut so many times that in the end of 60 seconds, the guy's chest and his back could be black and blue.

Speaker 15 And he said, did I get enough heat? He beat that fucking shit out of that guy in 60 fucking seconds.

Speaker 15 And I said,

Speaker 15 but at the same time, the guy sells to the right.

Speaker 15 Chop, boom, he spins to the right and he grabs the top rope and he's caving holding his chest in. That's when you fucking broad arm him across the back.
Oh my God, he bows his back out with the pain.

Speaker 15 You boot him in the gut. Oh, he bends over and grabs his gut.
You grab his hair and ram his head in a turnbuckle. He's spraying, and he's still going to the right around the ring.

Speaker 15 And you'll do in 60 seconds, you'll waltz that son bitch around all four sides of the ring

Speaker 15 and beat him like he owes you trance.

Speaker 15 And that's what we were trying to get accomplished there.

Speaker 15 I said,

Speaker 15 and Hernandez is supposed to be swinging back or pawing back or trying to throw a blow, but the quicker, the smaller guy ducks it or stays underneath, whatever.

Speaker 15 And I said, he forgets to swing back. Also, no one will mistake Bashir for Gene Konisky.
I mean, you know, I had to put that in.

Speaker 15 Anyway, Hernandez made a good comeback and beat him. Then Homicide and Eric Young appeared and they got good heat on Sean after he just got his hands on homicide for a second.

Speaker 15 The driving the spike in the throat with the chair and briefcase looked good, and Sean sold it well. Okay, again,

Speaker 15 I don't know if I would have come up with that spot, so I have a feeling that's one of the bullet points that was written in the format.

Speaker 15 Have them take the briefcase and drive a spike into his throat.

Speaker 15 Uh, Sean sold it well. The Alka Seltzer just blew up into foam from his dry mouth, so it didn't work.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 15 And then there's a six-man tag. I wrote nothing.
And then the last match, Samoa Joe versus Matt Morgan.

Speaker 15 These guys worked very hard. It will be smoother when they've had experience with each other.
When Kurt came over the desk on Matt, it really kicked it up a notch.

Speaker 15 Daniels and Joe added a lot with their schmaz, and we went to break hot.

Speaker 15 On the other side, Kurt and Matt and I had worked out three spots: Matt breaking loose and hurling a security guard, Kurt breaking loose and diving over some guards, and then Kurt putting Matt through the table.

Speaker 15 They did all three perfectly, and we got great shots. Keith and David enjoyed it in the truck.

Speaker 15 The only other thing I'd like to mention is that I think Bashir is underutilized in the World Elite Group. Whereas I said, Eric is the kind of guy people don't want to see get beaten up all the time.

Speaker 15 Bashir is. If Bashir speaks more and his promos do get heat,

Speaker 15 then Eric can still be the leader, but make Bashir his general or whatever. Then Eric doesn't have to carry the whole thing.
The group gets more heat.

Speaker 15 And Eric stays the guy in the suit that no one gets his hands on to put in his place until the blow off.

Speaker 15 And, you know,

Speaker 15 again,

Speaker 15 I see what he's reading these things going, oh, fuck.

Speaker 15 I'm telling him how to make his shit better because it's all over the page and he's using the wrong people.

Speaker 15 Or I'm telling them, well, we shouldn't have had this match now. But, you know, we shouldn't have had this match now.
They said, be honest.

Speaker 15 So I'm being honest and we're trying to work with what we got.

Speaker 15 But that's the last thing

Speaker 15 that Mr. Russo wanted to hear was any goddamn coherent criticism with obvious logic thrown in

Speaker 15 of the goofy shit that he was doing on TV.

Speaker 15 So next week on the continuing installments,

Speaker 15 we'll get to the letter that I wrote to Terry Taylor after I got fired.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're there already.

Speaker 15 We are that. That was my last taping.

Speaker 15 Enough of that. Enough of that.
We can't have any more of that shit.

Speaker 15 Well, it was indeed a hard night's work there at TNA at the Impact Zone, Brian.

Speaker 15 You know, every time I'd get out of there, I just think, if I could only just get back to the hotel and lay down in that bed and crank that air conditioning up.

Speaker 15 But you know what the problem was when I did that, Brian? The hotel did not feature the line of mattresses from our friends over at helixleep.com.

Speaker 15 That was the problem.

Speaker 15 So even though I would have laid down on a bed of rusty razor blades if I had to, and I actually some nights it felt like I was, but that's what would have made the whole experience worthwhile, Brian, is if I could have just dove into a cloud, dove into a box of fluffy ducks, dove into a

Speaker 15 fucking hummingbird's ass. What other things are soft? How soft is a hummingbird's ass? If I could have only

Speaker 1 heard that before.

Speaker 15 Yeah, right in there. Boom.
It's got a

Speaker 15 relaxable sphincter. If I could have just dove in.
to all any of those things courtesy of a helix sleep mattress, that would have been Shangri-La. But you can do it, Brian.

Speaker 15 You and the people out there, the culticornet, cornet, you don't have to go to a hotel and sleep on a bag of rusty razor blades. You,

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Speaker 15 well, if you've got sleep apnea, they will apply themselves toward making that apnea go away. What is the opposite of apnea? Who is they?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 15 The people at Helix, they got mattresses.

Speaker 1 If they apply themselves to making your apnea go away, let's not make that record a guarantee because I don't even know what it means.

Speaker 15 Well, I'm saying, what is the reverse of apnea? Non-apnea?

Speaker 15 They'll make you have non-apnea.

Speaker 15 Well, they got mattresses. They won't do it.
Well, they won't make you, they'll ask you nicely.

Speaker 1 They won't do a thing when it comes to this topic.

Speaker 15 Sometimes they'll recommend strongly because that's what you do. You go to helixleep.com, H-E-L-I-X sleep, if the people don't know it by now,

Speaker 15 and you tell the people there, the fine people there, how you like to sleep on your back, on your side. Are you hot when you sleep? Are you cold when you sleep?

Speaker 15 Do you wake up screaming and dialing 911 for no apparent reason? Otherwise, than there were voices in your head and you thought you saw somebody in the room.

Speaker 15 And then they'll send you a mattress that's that's designed to correct some of these many issues that I just mentioned.

Speaker 1 Don't know if I want to use the term correct, but they have mattresses customized.

Speaker 15 They will ameliorate. They will ameliorate then the problem.

Speaker 15 If you sleep and you sweat when you sleep, they got a mattress that makes you feel cooler. Now, certainly that means that they will help the problem.

Speaker 15 I'm not trying to just go over my head or anything here.

Speaker 15 Now, if you have for some reason, a large bowel obstruction, you put that down on the quiz. I don't know if they have anything that'll help it, but make sure you put it down.
They'll want to know.

Speaker 1 Not one of the inquiries.

Speaker 15 Because that way,

Speaker 15 if you try to use the guarantee. No.
Well, if you try to use the guarantee and, you know,

Speaker 15 if you've got a bowel instruction, they might need to know if you've had an obstruction bowel on there oh obstruction yes okay obstruction i thought you said they might need to know if bowel instruction no everybody knows how to work their bowels that comes you know you're kind of wired factory setting for well again let's get away kind of do their own thing usually let's get away from the bowels let's get away from the bowery let's go to the waldorf the waldorf of mattresses and of course we're talking about a great mattress you tell them what you like they will give you the mattress just for you well they won't give it to you you got to buy it well you got to buy them.

Speaker 1 And we have them here in the house. You have them over there, Jim.

Speaker 15 Yes. Big fans of this.
We can save you money. We can save you money on it, too.

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Speaker 15 Because the big Fourth of July sale is going on right now. 27%

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Speaker 15 I don't even know how they're doing this. They must be.

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They are certainly not.

Speaker 15 They certainly launder their mattresses. Now, you can't deny that.
They'll send you, it smells clean when it comes in.

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Speaker 1 Do not have any beds with hooks. They don't have a Jimmy Legs mattress with hooks.

Speaker 15 It's actually, it's loops instead of hooks. I misspoke.
It's loops.

Speaker 1 It's not, it's not.

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Speaker 15 That promo code is JCE.

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Speaker 15 Oh, boy, howdy. I got to tell you, the AEW program the other night, as I said earlier, they ought to give you study notes, maybe a PowerPoint presentation, some pie charts would be good.

Speaker 15 We were talking earlier in the program about the TNA agent reports and, you know, how Mark Bookers book things.

Speaker 15 Marks, like Russo, the previous generation, Marx, and like Tony,

Speaker 15 they see all these moments in their head and these, wow, this will be great. These will attack each other in the back and they'll fight and they'll break furniture and this will happen and

Speaker 15 they just can't not only restrain themselves from doing it so constantly that it becomes meaningless or figure out the right people

Speaker 15 to do it with or

Speaker 15 in many cases lay it out so that if it had a chance of being

Speaker 15 good, if it was done properly, they leave all the loopholes because they don't have any experience with actually making shit make sense

Speaker 15 so

Speaker 15 some things never change

Speaker 15 we're in the same position except tna in 2009 was doing three times the viewership of what they've got right now

Speaker 15 uh but tony khan is the kind of guy that would book the two top baby faces to have a 50-year-old guy with broken ribs roll up the

Speaker 15 300-pound beast it's trying to get over. I know I said it the other way around before, but and also a roll-up with broken ribs, Brian.
I just thought of that.

Speaker 15 Is that the finish you'd want to use if your ribs were broken? Let me just roll this 300-pound guy up. I may avoid that right over the top of me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I may avoid that one.

Speaker 15 But anyway, we were in Seattle for the

Speaker 15 come back to reality edition of AEW Dynamite.

Speaker 15 They weren't in Mexico anymore, and they weren't in Kansas anymore either. They were back to

Speaker 15 reality. I think they had, what did they have? 1,800 people in Seattle.
Bless them.

Speaker 1 It may have been a little more than that, I think, but in that range.

Speaker 15 That's what Uncle Dave said.

Speaker 1 Oh, did he? Oh, I thought it was.

Speaker 15 I think that's what Uncle Dave said. So maybe we ought to take that one with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll find that when we do the ratings, we'll see what the numbers are. And I thought it was a little higher, but I could be completely wrong.

Speaker 15 That counted the people also working a concession stand.

Speaker 15 But again, this whole show, it's just people doing things.

Speaker 15 They're doing the walk-ins. Because now, since WWE has their stars walk in the building on camera, they do the walk-ins also.

Speaker 15 But apparently, we are to believe it.

Speaker 15 Tony Storm just at least the walk-ins in the WWE many times are, you know, you can tell it's earlier that day they came in the building, and then they'll have somebody walk all the way through and go out.

Speaker 15 But it was just Tony Storm.

Speaker 15 Here she comes in Mercedes Moon

Speaker 15 comes in from the blind side and just jumps on her and shoved because Tony Storm has Luther, the butler, with her.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 Mercedes shoves Luther down, and he takes like a pratfall, and he's never seen again.

Speaker 15 Did she give him the fucking vibrating palm strike that the fucking kung fu masters gave Bruce Lee to, you know, get even for him revealing the secrets? How does this

Speaker 15 grown adult

Speaker 15 280-pound human waterbed of a man

Speaker 15 be fucking wiped out forever by the girl shoving him down?

Speaker 15 And then they fight into the arena and they have a fake fight on the stage forever, forever.

Speaker 15 And then finally,

Speaker 15 six male referees run out on the stage and are

Speaker 15 she Mercedes has the hold on Tony Storm and has crank it on her, and they're screaming, please stop, please stop.

Speaker 15 There's six men there. It's a 125-pound girl.
Pull her off.

Speaker 15 But are they determined now to, Tony Storm is the only one they've got that's really over over?

Speaker 15 Are they determined to just make her look like an idiot too?

Speaker 15 And she got saved by Mina Mellons.

Speaker 15 And Mercedes was so scared, she backed up 20 feet, grabbed the microphone, and

Speaker 15 made a little statement to him.

Speaker 15 And Mina was just squatting there next to Tony, like, oh, you hurt her.

Speaker 15 Why can't they close up any of the loopholes and any of the logic?

Speaker 15 I thought Mercedes had her own writer, Will Wheaton.

Speaker 15 Shouldn't he be? Oh, no,

Speaker 1 staying up on it was Will Washington, and he wasn't her writer. He was Swerves' writer.

Speaker 15 I thought she got her own writers, too. Pepper Day.

Speaker 15 Job, I'm sorry. She has a writer, but I got the wrong writer.
It's Alexandra Pepperday that's her writer.

Speaker 15 Shouldn't Pepperday be fucking staying up thinking about ways we can close the loopholes and all this fucking goofy logic?

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know. Here's a loophole.
Let me ask you about a loophole that may or may not close. If the rumors are true that Tony Kahn sees the value in not bringing Chris Jericho back,

Speaker 1 does Luther come back?

Speaker 15 Oh, good Lord.

Speaker 15 I forgot Luther's not one of the lollipop guild. He was one of the Canadian contingent, right?

Speaker 1 That's right, the Canadian friends.

Speaker 15 Well, in that case, I don't, but you know, at the same time, Tony might think that he'll be offended.

Speaker 15 But Jesus Christ.

Speaker 15 So then,

Speaker 15 again, I talked about PowerPoint presentation, notes. Help me explain some of these things.
The Buckaroos show up on camera, the Hardley boys, Maddie and Nikki,

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 they use their EVP power

Speaker 15 to move Osprey and Swerves match up to right now, from later on in the show,

Speaker 15 so that they have to come out all unprepared and still tying their shoes.

Speaker 15 Have we ever established how, why are they allowed to do these things? The EVPs, Tony is right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 He can overrule whatever.

Speaker 15 And later on in the program,

Speaker 15 within 10 seconds of two guys having interaction, he's booked the match for next week. So why doesn't he just come out and say, no,

Speaker 15 you guys are being pricks and it's my company and that's not right. So don't do that.
Have we ever gotten a reason why that cannot take place?

Speaker 1 No, they beat him up and then no one really cared. So that kind of went away.
The Bucs weren't getting over as the right kind of heels.

Speaker 1 It was the, we don't want to watch this heels, not the, oh my God, they're heels. I can't wait to see someone beat them up.
Person beat him up and it wasn't filmed. It was in the back.

Speaker 1 It was fucking CM punk. But,

Speaker 1 you know, they've established that Tony's at Gorilla.

Speaker 1 They've established just recently with MJF and Shelton, Tony was back there. Like a ventriloquist dummy, just all of his motions.

Speaker 1 So they've established that. How could they say these things? And what could they do to make it happen? And why doesn't Tony overrule it?

Speaker 15 They haven't even come out and produced the contract that Tony was stupid enough to sign in 2021 that gave them the ability to do this, that, and the other thing.

Speaker 15 They just,

Speaker 15 it's inexplicable.

Speaker 15 So, anyway, here comes Osprey and Swerve to come out for their match early, and it's against Blake Christian and Lee Johnson.

Speaker 15 And I know you're never going to believe this, Brian, but they had a competitive match. The two top baby faces had all they could handle from these two guys that have never had a television win.

Speaker 15 And the Buckaroos came to ringside

Speaker 15 for a break.

Speaker 15 They went through a break with this, but

Speaker 15 they come to Ringside to fucking watch, right?

Speaker 15 So then finally, Swerve makes a comeback. He hit the heels in some fashion, whether a strike or a kick or whatever the fuck, nine times before either one of them fell down.

Speaker 15 And when they did fall down, it was he,

Speaker 15 he shoved the guy out of the corner so he could run and

Speaker 15 kick at him again.

Speaker 15 And then he won with a kick to the head.

Speaker 15 And then Swerve and Osprey tried to go after the Hardley boys. But security was right there

Speaker 15 and held him back and got in so there could be no violence.

Speaker 15 And so then they had to challenge him to a tag match

Speaker 15 at all in. And Osprey had his garbage disposal voice cranked up to high on this one.

Speaker 15 But now Osprey and Swerve at their big stadium show in pay-per-view are tied up in a match that won't contribute a single dime to the take.

Speaker 15 And they're putting the EVP titles on the line, I think, because of Osprey's voice. But the announcer has backed it up.
But what does that mean?

Speaker 15 If the baby faces win, they're the EVPs, or if they beat the Bucks, the Bucks can't be EVPs anymore.

Speaker 15 Is this a way to finish off the whole goofy thing because of the reasons we just said? It's never made any sense.

Speaker 1 Is that how you can get an executive position? I challenge Tony Khan to a fight.

Speaker 15 Yeah, well, yeah, I'll hey, I'll take that one.

Speaker 1 I'll fight Tony Khan to run run the company.

Speaker 15 I'll take that one, and even at my age.

Speaker 15 But,

Speaker 15 and by the way, here's something that's going to be a thing we'll talk about. The security was right there.

Speaker 15 They've shot themselves in the foot in another way on this program.

Speaker 15 Because indiscriminately, there is no rhyme or reason

Speaker 15 to whether security and referees come instantly on the slightest hint of a violent altercation, or

Speaker 15 a guy can be goddamn ravaged and have his intestines pulled out through his sphincter by a fish hook for 10 minutes and nobody comes out.

Speaker 15 And there's no

Speaker 15 rhyme or reason or logic to why either one happens. They've established that it's because each person or entity is coming up with their own angles and laying their own shit out.

Speaker 15 And there's no supervising producer, as I was attempting to be in those

Speaker 15 agent reports that we've read, or anybody

Speaker 15 thinking about the show overall.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 you've got to establish

Speaker 15 a baseline with here is how we respond to incidents like this.

Speaker 15 And it's got to be somewhere about, oh my God, we were caught unawares. It took us a few seconds to scramble out there, whatever.

Speaker 15 But there's ways you can set it up and you can still get your point across, but you just can't take five minutes to do all this goofy shit. That by the time

Speaker 15 when you're trying to get heat in an angle and it takes five fucking minutes and nobody's trying to stop it and the baby face is just laying there,

Speaker 15 you ain't going to get any son of a bitch violent enough to come over the rail

Speaker 15 in that situation. The heat does, it's not urgent heat.

Speaker 15 That's what they're doing stage plays instead of angles.

Speaker 15 And they could stagger their run-ins while I'm talking about it also with the security where you don't, the 12 guys are not just standing by.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really.

Speaker 15 You know, first, the two or three referees come, holy shit, what's going on? And maybe the bells ring a ding, ding, ding. And then a couple of t-shirt security guys are coming down.

Speaker 15 Oh, my gosh, we got to stop this. And hey, Joe and Fred, two more come down.

Speaker 15 Then maybe a couple of the fucking job guys with no shirt on, so people in the cheap seats can tell their wrestlers. And they come down there and get leveled or whatever.

Speaker 15 But it's a gradual thing where you're building the scene and you're building the urgency rather than here they all are, they can't do anything over and over. There's fresh hope coming in.

Speaker 15 Things like that. Anyway,

Speaker 15 so what is the

Speaker 15 Oblada

Speaker 15 is friends with Trent and Rocky,

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 they all have some kind of past, apparently, in Japan with the Buckaroos.

Speaker 15 And at one point, Oblada was

Speaker 15 in the lollipop guild, but now he's in

Speaker 15 the Callus family right now.

Speaker 15 That's right. But Trent and Rocky are in a group in Japan with him.

Speaker 15 Chaos. The Buckaroos suspended Swerve and Osprey

Speaker 15 because they attacked the EVPs. Well, then Oblata came in and introduced them to his friends, Trent and Rocky.
But we know them well. We've got a past.

Speaker 15 What is their past? Were they all rent boys together in the Red Light district of Osaka? What was going on?

Speaker 1 I don't know what they did, but obviously they all have a new Japan past.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 they were calling Ibushi Kenny's Golden Lover.

Speaker 15 And I know that was the

Speaker 15 folks, for those of you who live in the normal world, the name of the tag team that Kenny Olivier and his friend Coda Obushi or

Speaker 15 Ibushi

Speaker 15 The name of their tag team was the Golden Lovers.

Speaker 15 Not the Midnight Express, the Road Warriors, the Powers of Pain,

Speaker 15 the Brain Busters, the Golden Lovers.

Speaker 15 But this is American television.

Speaker 15 10 years later,

Speaker 15 they've seen Ibushi like three times before he crippled himself and has been off for two years.

Speaker 15 Isn't it off-putting to any normal person who would try to watch this program when they're talking about Ibushi being the golden lover of another one of the babyfaces?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think it resonates.

Speaker 1 I don't think Ibushi resonates, but I don't think it resonates.

Speaker 15 Well, Ibushi was about to resonate

Speaker 15 because this was his big return

Speaker 15 against Trent.

Speaker 15 And I mean, he doesn't look as pudgy as he did the last time we saw him. Remember, we remarked on the pudge,

Speaker 15 but he's still, is he 5'4? I don't know if I would bet on him against the outlaw Japanese girls.

Speaker 1 No, he's not that short. He's not that short.

Speaker 15 He looked like the, you know, if the Beatles had come from Nagasaki, he looks like the Pete Best of the group.

Speaker 1 Well, again, now you always say that, but you forget Pete Best never had a mop top. That's why he really didn't fit in in the same way that Ringo did.
But, you know, he comes out there.

Speaker 1 He's got his mop top. He looks like he's in better shape than the last time we saw him, both in America when he was pudgy and in Japan where he broke his feet.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he just has no,

Speaker 1 how do I, I don't even know, it's not even charisma, no reaction, no, no pulse, personality, yeah, it's just like a guy in a coma walking out.

Speaker 1 He has like the reactions of like a character, like a wrestling character in a video game 25 years ago. Like, they didn't have the graphics yet to give them good reactions.

Speaker 1 He just walks out there and he's all dull. Just

Speaker 1 and he gets in there. And again, I mean, the kicks looked okay,

Speaker 1 but everything about this was just, you know,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't think Ibushi resonates in American. I don't think he will.

Speaker 15 That's the thing is, after he goes eight minutes or whatever with Trent, and by the way, if Take a shit ain't getting paid what Ibushi is, if I was him, I'd be pissed.

Speaker 15 Because again, this gay did little of whatever.

Speaker 15 But eight minutes, he wins with a knee lift, and then Oblada comes out and they stared at each other.

Speaker 15 Stared at each other. And

Speaker 15 all 1,800 people in Seattle are going, holy shit, holy shit.

Speaker 15 Holy shit, for what reason? Big shit, big shit.

Speaker 15 Okada hasn't had a good match yet, and it probably ain't going to try.

Speaker 15 And this little short, squat, black hole of charisma

Speaker 15 that he's nose to nose with, what do they think they're going to see? Because they ain't going to see it.

Speaker 15 i and then

Speaker 15 okada walks out and tony sends the word within 10 seconds next week

Speaker 15 okada versus ibushi

Speaker 15 what how what in the world is that going to look like

Speaker 1 one guy 598 000 viewers

Speaker 15 But one guy can't, won't fall down, and the other guy probably shouldn't really hurt himself again. What do they think they're going to see? That's a holy shit moment from these two.

Speaker 1 That makes me want to see it, but the problem is it'll probably be a big ball and nothing. I don't remember where they are.
It depends on the crowd too.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Abushi has this blah match and then this just they stare at each other right in each other's faces and no one does anything because Abushi's defending the honor of Kenny.

Speaker 1 who was previously hurt. You know, you know what this really is?

Speaker 1 If you think about everything right now happening with the Bucs, who are pushed despite how little they mean to the business of AEW, Omega, who's in the middle of a push right now and doing this thing with Okada, his longtime opponent from 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 Adam Page getting his run.

Speaker 1 Ibushi showing back up for the stadium. It's the last hurrah

Speaker 1 of that gang. You know what I mean? It's the last promise.

Speaker 1 In terms of age, in terms of everything, it's the last hurrah of that little click of weirdos.

Speaker 1 And I think we're going to have to sit through it for a little while.

Speaker 15 Well, speaking of a click of weirdos,

Speaker 15 the next match was Ricochet

Speaker 15 and A.R. Fox against Kevin Knight and Hong Kong Fuye, who are now going by the tag team name Jet Speed.

Speaker 15 Because Hong Kong Fui is speedball, and Kevin Knight was

Speaker 15 jet blue, whatever, jet something,

Speaker 15 the jet, Benny and the Jets, the jet

Speaker 1 and the jets. Yeah, I guess that's what it is.

Speaker 15 So, this was recess for the kids. And

Speaker 15 there's another story that Ricochet is trying to recruit him a group, but then he teamed up with A.R. Fox and then

Speaker 15 walked out on him and left him to get beat.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 old Spitball still doing his thing.

Speaker 15 And so anyway, they win the match. And then, my God,

Speaker 15 they let these two talk. Actually, Kevin Knight ain't bad.
He's got more oomph, but

Speaker 15 old Hong Kong,

Speaker 15 Jesus, what a nerd. I mean, I'm just sorry.
It's just, what a fucking nerd. And

Speaker 15 you just want to slap him with that voice and that face. And he's doing a promo on the tag team.
They still want a tag team title match with the hurt syndicate.

Speaker 15 Explain to me how it shouldn't be against any criminal statute in the country for either Bobby Lashley or Shelton Benjamin to fight this little squidget.

Speaker 15 So in a stadium.

Speaker 15 In a stadium. And in the herd business, a hurt syndicate attacks them and beats up the kids in the entrance and set up a table.

Speaker 15 And they put Kevin Knight on the table and Lashley choked Hong Kong Fuye or choke slammed him.

Speaker 15 Threw Kevin Knight on the table.

Speaker 15 And an MVP cut the promo on the babyfaces while they were laying there. It wasn't as bad as Cena Punk because it didn't.
last 10 minutes and these are preliminary cannon fodder guys.

Speaker 15 But then when they go to the ring and cut the promo,

Speaker 15 MVP apparently agreed to give them the tag team title match if they can stand up.

Speaker 15 And I assume they stood up because they were gone by the next segment.

Speaker 15 So,

Speaker 15 what the fuck? Seriously,

Speaker 15 they've got a tag team that's over that gets a reaction, looks like a million dollars, looks like grown adult athletes, and

Speaker 15 the only thing they can program program them with is children that are so green they can't even take advantage of all the spots that lashley and benjamin are trying to give them

Speaker 15 and mvps out there begging somebody does somebody stand up a tag team

Speaker 15 my god they

Speaker 15 may have to call tna or something well i don't know if that's going to work right now but

Speaker 15 I mean, some other company.

Speaker 1 That's the problem. What companies can Tony call? CMLL and New Japan.

Speaker 15 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 15 So then MJF did a promo and the fans booed the shit out of him. But

Speaker 15 next week, he's going to be in a qualifying match where the winner goes into the men's casino gauntlet match at all in, where the winner of that gets a guaranteed title shot.

Speaker 15 MJF.

Speaker 15 Another of their money ball players, if they have any,

Speaker 15 is in a meaningless casino bullshit match on pay-per-view

Speaker 15 because they can't, they're so creatively bereft at this point that they can't set up money matches for their tag team champions. They can't set up money matches for MJF.

Speaker 15 They can't set up money matches. All they can do is set up dream matches that the same people

Speaker 15 that like this kind of thing buy every month. There is no growth and they're running out of the dream matches.

Speaker 15 And then Mark Briscoe's music interrupted.

Speaker 15 And he actually came out and said, Well, you're going long. I need to get in the ring for my match.

Speaker 15 And then he and MJF start going back and forth. And MJF calls him a blue-collar bitch.
And

Speaker 15 Briscoe

Speaker 15 empathized with MJF. The fans actually chanted empathy

Speaker 15 because he feels insufficient with his little kosher pickle.

Speaker 15 And then the fans chant kosher pickle. This is a Saturday night live sketch.
I think Mark Briscoe's great. I think MJF's great.

Speaker 15 But they come out, it went too long.

Speaker 15 They're being funny. The fans then amuse themselves by chanting about MJF's small penis.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 MVP says, let's just go watch Briscoe do what he does best, which is lose.

Speaker 15 So for the first time in history, Briscoe wins.

Speaker 15 He won a four-way, Brian.

Speaker 15 This is all interconnected. It's all the same thing going on.

Speaker 15 He won a four-way match versus Bandito, Roderick Strong, and Take a Shit

Speaker 15 for the number one spot in the casino gauntlet match,

Speaker 15 which seems to me like that would be punishment to get the number one spot because then you got to fight all the other guys. But

Speaker 15 who says this is supposed to fucking

Speaker 15 be any in any way explicable? So,

Speaker 15 what started at the first of that? Who was out first? Was it the

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 15 the babyfaces?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it depends on what you consider the start of that.

Speaker 15 The baby face underneath babyface team team had a match which they won and then they got the shit kicked out of

Speaker 15 by the people that they're wrestling on the pay-per-view who did a promo, who then were interrupted by the guy that was in the next match.

Speaker 15 And then that guy had a match and won

Speaker 15 the chance to be in another match.

Speaker 15 Any thoughts?

Speaker 1 Very much like Mr. Show with the transitions from one thing right to another.
You got to appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I hear what you're saying. MJF's a proven draw for them.

Speaker 1 Also, he's had great matches on big shows.

Speaker 1 Why isn't he in a high-profile match?

Speaker 1 If they did put him in one, it would kind of have to happen out of nowhere. The Hurts Syndicate, they can't put in one because they don't have opponents.

Speaker 15 Well, really, MJF doesn't have an opponent either set up for him. And this

Speaker 15 MJF joining the Hurt Syndicate has been one of the only entertaining things, you know, that have actually for a wrestling fan instead of a fucking spot monkey on this show. But

Speaker 15 because their roster of babyfaces is so weak and feckless and impotent and erectly dysfunctioned,

Speaker 15 there's nobody you want to see him fight.

Speaker 1 So I think, unfortunately, he ends up in this casino gauntlet match, whatever that is, a ladder match. I think that's what it is.
It's something. You have to retrieve something.
I don't remember.

Speaker 15 Oh, they got to grab the big poker chip.

Speaker 1 oh that's right it was a poker chip if he wins it it creates a good dynamic going forward with him and the hurt syndicate and him having this ability to get a title match anytime he wants which obviously is a copy of money in the bank but then

Speaker 15 which world champion would he want to wrestle for real moxley or page he's going to go which one of these two

Speaker 15 jack offs do i think I can get any kind of a match out of.

Speaker 1 And the idea they're setting up something, at least it looks like it with him and and Mark Briscoe,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't want to get my hopes up. It could be promising.
They've booked Mark Briscoe so poorly.

Speaker 1 And I think unfortunately they get a little bit of false security that because he's over and we have him lose every week, we could do that with everyone we bring in now.

Speaker 1 Just book them, they'll lose, and eventually people will like them.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean...

Speaker 15 The feel sorry heat.

Speaker 1 You know, the MJF Hurt Syndicate stuff has been the highlight of the show. And in a lot of cases, the highest segment of the show.

Speaker 1 In a lot of cases, I mean, the Mystigo match was the highest-rated segments of that show.

Speaker 1 And it's almost like, like I said before, like the Codyverse. It exists like in a little universe of its own within the wider universe.
If MJF all of a sudden has title,

Speaker 1 title

Speaker 1 demands ability.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he can get him as soon as he wants if he wins that match. It kind of ties him into the bigger picture.
But again, who the Hurts Syndicate is going to wrestle?

Speaker 1 That's the big question still, but we'll get there, I guess.

Speaker 15 Well, and then they, of course, they got to do what the big boys do. You're going to have a men's casino gauntlet match.
You're going to have a women's casino gauntlet match.

Speaker 15 Can't wait for that.

Speaker 15 And of course, they had a four-way to determine who was the number one spot in that with Statlander versus Athena versus Willow versus Thunder Rosa.

Speaker 15 And the highlight of that for me was

Speaker 15 in full view of the referee, Marina Schaefer walks down to distract

Speaker 15 Willow,

Speaker 15 and Wheeler Useless pops into the ring,

Speaker 15 and he and Willow start doing a running spot,

Speaker 15 which ends with Willow giving him the pounce, and he fucking flies away. And then Willow beats Statlander.

Speaker 15 But again, it just looks so ridiculous.

Speaker 15 And the

Speaker 15 overused crutch of the uncreative mind, no DQ.

Speaker 15 And let's just have one of the guys run in and do a fucking spot in a girls match in front of the fucking referee, and then we'll do the finish later. You fucking morons.

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Speaker 15 And then, Brian, it came time for our main event of the evening.

Speaker 15 Is it just me,

Speaker 15 or is it a lot of people saying it on Twitter that good old Frank Mortis is getting a lot more big main event matches now that he's publicly been seen going out and dating Mercedes Moon?

Speaker 15 Is there nepotism going on? Is he a nepo bull?

Speaker 1 Could it be a nepo beast? I mean, why'd you go right the bull? He's the beast more to say.

Speaker 15 But he's wearing a bull head, isn't he? What head is that of an animal?

Speaker 1 I don't know for sure, but I know it's a beast.

Speaker 15 It might be a bison.

Speaker 1 It could be a beast.

Speaker 15 Well, no, think about this now. What kind of animal is that?

Speaker 15 That he's wearing the head of?

Speaker 15 Is it a bison? Is it a buffalo?

Speaker 15 is it just a regular old bull one of them big old humpback bulls down in texas

Speaker 15 and if so is that

Speaker 15 the common thread that has linked these two little crazy kids and star-cross lovers together you got a bull you got a camel

Speaker 1 and they're made for each other does he do promos have we ever heard him talk and he speak english Or are you going to get one? I don't know, but he can.

Speaker 1 You're going to get that Charlotte Andrade thing where it's like, you can't imagine him ever having a conversation.

Speaker 15 Well, but here's the thing. I want to hear him give a closing argument in Spanish,

Speaker 15 but with the bullhead on his head.

Speaker 15 In gimmick, but because he's a lawyer, they've established this. He's a lawyer.
Frank.

Speaker 15 So Frank the lawyer,

Speaker 15 I want him to dress up in full.

Speaker 15 rigor mortise outfit here with the bullhead and everything and then give a closing argument in Spanish. Man.
I think that would be fantastic.

Speaker 1 To answer your question, I thought about it. I hate to say I did, but I obviously did.
I thought about it a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 I thought about it during a Mexico show where he filled in for, it was like all the top heels in the company and him.

Speaker 1 It was like Death Riders, Young Bucks, and Beast Mortos.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, it does seem like since he, since word came out

Speaker 1 that he was dating Mercedes Monet. And I can't wait to read the next issue of Mercedes Monet's Monet Mag for all of that.

Speaker 1 hey this time she's not going to be lost in the fucking woods she's going to be lost out in the bull pasture well it definitely seems noticeable now that yeah this guy's getting used in a very nice position for someone that is fine I guess for AEW mid-card

Speaker 15 midnight at the oasis put your camel to bed

Speaker 15 So Hangnail Page wrestled Frank Rigor Mortis in the main event, which ran, of course, past 10 o'clock, because they all do.

Speaker 15 And then Paige beat him with the buckshot.

Speaker 15 But then the lights went out.

Speaker 15 And the lights were out for a little while.

Speaker 15 I didn't time it exactly as to the number of seconds, but Brian, you can vouch for me. Tell me if I'm

Speaker 15 not depicting this correctly, but while the lights were out, the announcers were still talking. They were saying, folks, we're still on the air.
The lights have gone out for some reason, right?

Speaker 15 You can hear the people

Speaker 15 murmuring in the arena. The audio is unmarred.
It's exactly the same as it would be. We just got a black screen.
Is that a fair appraisal?

Speaker 1 Yeah, fair appraisal.

Speaker 15 Okay, well, then the lights come back on.

Speaker 15 And now, in the middle of the ring, where it's just been Paige standing there when the lights went off, now Paige is down on both knees.

Speaker 15 knees, and there are Maddie and Nikki, the Hardley boys, holding each of his hands, ready to give him their little knee lift that they do.

Speaker 15 The problem is

Speaker 15 in no time during the time the lights were off, did you hear any struggle, any noise, any, who are you? Any

Speaker 15 get down on your knees. A bump.

Speaker 15 Any suck it, bitch, any bump,

Speaker 15 any struggle or conflict of any kind.

Speaker 15 Total silence from the ring. And they've established all the microphones are still on.
You can hear the people. You can hear everything.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 when the lights come back on, he's on his knees. He's looking up at them and he goes, oh my God.
And they look at the people to milk it. And then they draw back and then they give him the knee lift.

Speaker 15 He's a foot taller than either one of these guys.

Speaker 15 All he had to do, they're just holding his hands. All he had to do was stand up, jerk him off balance.
Hey, come here, you little pricks.

Speaker 15 No wonder they get the shit kicked out of him every time they get in a fight. None of these fuckers know how to fight.

Speaker 15 But what was that?

Speaker 15 He just looks up horrified like, oh, don't do this to me in 10 seconds.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that face he made was ridiculous.

Speaker 15 It was like they had guns pointed at him.

Speaker 15 But also, again, no effort to move

Speaker 15 to.

Speaker 15 Oh my God, I can't imagine how painful this thing you're going to do to me in the next 14 seconds will be.

Speaker 1 How did they get him down?

Speaker 15 How'd they get him down?

Speaker 1 Why did it make no noise? Why didn't he yell? Why didn't he yelp?

Speaker 15 Something.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, again, how did he get down?

Speaker 1 It took them a while i know tony loves it because ecw did it with the lights going out but it's so lame and all the stuff with the bucks is lame and that wasn't even the end of it it somehow got worse oh yeah well then the music plays and here comes dick the boozer and the boar horseman except for claudio who's

Speaker 15 they i i read on the internet he internate internet he asked for time off

Speaker 15 but he's not injured maybe he's just fed up i don't know but they come out and get in the ring and everybody stands there because Paige is selling dead from this shitty double knee lift.

Speaker 15 Again,

Speaker 15 these people are hit with chairs and thrown through furniture and dive off balconies and they're up in seconds. But this little shitty knee lift from these two children that never connects anyway.

Speaker 15 And he's laying there dead.

Speaker 15 The heels stand there until Moxley brings out a logging chain and puts it around Paige's neck and gets him in a stationary choke

Speaker 15 where he's just, he's not throttling him or shaking him around. There's no motion.
He's just twisting it.

Speaker 15 And again, nobody,

Speaker 15 nobody trying to help. As we talked about earlier,

Speaker 15 it's either feast or famine. Either the security is there in a heartbeat or they'll let people commit aggravated mayhem for 15 minutes.

Speaker 15 Well, this time we've established that there's not only a bunch of referees, but we've also established there's a bunch of security that nobody came out.

Speaker 15 Until finally,

Speaker 15 here comes Samoa Joe and Hobbs and Shapupi.

Speaker 15 But they can't get in the ring because the Heels

Speaker 15 are playing king of the hill and won't let them in the ring. And then finally, Osprey comes out and suddenly just him, he just dives right in and the heels leave and everybody stands around.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 everybody's mad at everybody,

Speaker 15 nobody really remembers why.

Speaker 15 A lot of things take place, you can't process it all.

Speaker 15 There's matchups going on, it's pay-per-view, but

Speaker 15 we still don't even know what is going to be the point of this briefcase. When they open the briefcase and the belt isn't there, is it going to lead us into some

Speaker 15 fabulous other dimension of creativity what the is going on here that would be interesting they open the briefcase there's nothing in there and then renee comes out wearing the briefcase or wearing the briefcase wearing the belt

Speaker 15 you know maybe they could do i thought you were going to say renee would come out of the briefcase now that i'd pay to see i don't know that'd be pretty uh magical she did she did used to be a contortionist in her younger days she was able to be folded up into a small wallet and credit card holder i think despite people claiming that the Moxley title run has been a big success, people are ignoring the fact that.

Speaker 15 Who claimed that?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, it's, I mean, Dave Meltzer has claimed it. Other people have claimed it, that his title run has led to a business increase,

Speaker 1 not a business decrease.

Speaker 1 But it's been a complete creative failure. AEW's own fans hate it.
And I think fans right now have their fingers crossed that hopefully we're in the last days of it, but.

Speaker 15 Well, but then we end up with Paige.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to put money on that either. I'm not, you know, we'll see what happens, but

Speaker 1 this stuff has got to go away. And then after that, we're going to get Paige in the Bucks because that's what we need.
More of that shit.

Speaker 15 Maybe they could program Paige with Mina Mellon.

Speaker 1 Nick Jackson has never looked like a wrestler. He's never looked less like a wrestler than he does right now.
He has like no shape to him. His hair that was always receding has receded.

Speaker 1 to a whole new degree right now.

Speaker 15 He looks ridiculous. When you accidentally

Speaker 1 drop, he has to wear the full bodysuit like Randy Savage when he got off steroids. This guy wasn't on steroids.
Imagine what it looks like. It's just not good.

Speaker 15 When you accidentally drop a glob of face lotion in a sink of water, that type of indiscriminate shape where it just kind of

Speaker 15 floats around, that's what you're saying Nick Jackson's body looks like?

Speaker 1 I think that's part of it, yeah.

Speaker 1 The fact that they can't talk, that the promos suck, that the fans don't have the right kind of heel reaction to them. I think there's a a whole number of things, and

Speaker 1 yeah, I think we're I think they're going to double down on all that for one last run for all these people before their bodies break down and they're not worth what Tony's paying them.

Speaker 15 Well, they've never been worth what Tony's paying them, but that hadn't stopped him before now.

Speaker 15 But again, if I was if I was take a shit, I would say, okay, you're giving Okada how much, and you're giving Ibushi how much. And

Speaker 15 what about me, boss? I'm still young and able to fall down

Speaker 1 For real? I'd say, if you want me to stay, you pay me now for my future.

Speaker 15 Well, he's paying everybody else for their past.

Speaker 15 That's right.

Speaker 15 If what other place, I'll say this and we'll move along to if anybody watched this fiasco, but

Speaker 15 in what other company of any endeavor in the world can you actually get a lot of money, a guaranteed job and a nice contract because you used to be good at the thing that they did 10 or 15 years ago.

Speaker 15 Where, how, when, why?

Speaker 1 Well, there are talentless executives who always get a second or third chance. A lot of it's about relationships.
And of course, that's AEW.

Speaker 1 Sorry, a lot of it's about relationships, but that was AEW dynamite.

Speaker 15 Hey, that guy used to be great 20 years ago. Let's fucking put him on the team.

Speaker 15 All righty, speaking of the team, Brian, before we talk about the Nielsen team that evaluated this broadcast, broadcast, what's going on from the team at the Arcadian Vanguard Network this week?

Speaker 1 Another fine week of shows on the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network. Get information at all the shows on Twitter at Super Podcast or on Facebook at facebook.com/slash Arcadian Vanguard.

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Speaker 1 Also, want to make mention of shut up and wrestle with Brian Solomon Solomon. He continues his look at NWA champions of the past.
This time, Luthes

Speaker 1 talking with someone who trained with Luthes, Mark Fleming.

Speaker 15 Mark Fleming.

Speaker 1 Hear that today. Did you ever work? He worked

Speaker 1 Crockett Tapings, yeah.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 He was still there in 85. Mark's from Norfolk.

Speaker 1 I believe so. Yes.
We'll hear more from him and hear more about Luthes, S-U-A-W-Pod.com or shut up and wrestle with Brian Solomon, wherever you find your favorite podcast.

Speaker 1 And of course, the 605 Super Podcast, the Mothership.

Speaker 1 Go through the archive, 605pod.com, available wherever you find your favorite podcasts.

Speaker 15 The Mothership. See, that

Speaker 15 sounds like a sale to me. We're ringing these bad boys up.

Speaker 15 That sounds like a reason to give somebody some money to stop.

Speaker 15 Did anybody watch the program this past Wednesday before before we go?

Speaker 1 Well, Jim, let's go to the ratings. AEW Dynamite, June 25th, 2025, to answer your question from earlier, according to WrestleTicks, 2,370 tickets distributed in Kent, Washington

Speaker 1 from 8 to 10.08 p.m.

Speaker 15 Now, wait a minute. Okay, hold on here a second, though, because I swear, I swear, wait a minute, they did two shows, didn't they?

Speaker 15 They did two shows

Speaker 15 there in

Speaker 15 Seattle at that particular location. And one of those 1,800 people.

Speaker 1 Outside of Seattle.

Speaker 15 And I'm, well, how far outside, by the way?

Speaker 15 What are you doing? Like it's 70 miles or what?

Speaker 1 Kent, Washington. I don't know where that is.

Speaker 15 Well, that's

Speaker 15 Kent, Washington. They said Seattle on the graphic.

Speaker 15 Wait a minute. Hold on.
Ah, hold on. I got something.

Speaker 1 It It is part of the Seattle, Tacoma, Bellevue metropolitan area.

Speaker 15 Okay, June 21st, it was the collision and ring of honor tapings in Kent, Washington that did 1894.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 the dynamite taping did 2,370.

Speaker 15 So to put that together, that's about 4,200. That's about

Speaker 15 one-third of the amount of people that fucking WWE did on Raw the other night. But go ahead.

Speaker 1 Well, let's go to the numbers from 8 to 10.08 p.m.

Speaker 1 On average, watched by 613,000 viewers.

Speaker 15 Ouch! We are back to reality.

Speaker 15 And now

Speaker 15 I still, otherwise, the curiosity factor will let other people figure out why that an extra hundred and some thousand people watched last week, but

Speaker 15 the tournaments are all done and over with, right?

Speaker 15 Did they have any just they had one competition-free week, and then, boy, they got killed with high-rated programs, or did they just go back to normal without being in Mexico for a big show?

Speaker 1 Maybe a mix of things. It was also the NBA draft, which is a big deal on ESPN.

Speaker 1 But let's go to Tony's draft. These are the quarter hours.

Speaker 15 It's getting a little drafty in here. Now,

Speaker 15 we can't even fucking fight the draft now.

Speaker 15 I guess that's a strange way of phrasing that, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 Well, these are the quarter hours. These were compiled by WrestleNomics.
Quarter one, 8 to 8:15 p.m.

Speaker 1 The Mercedes Monet, Tony Storm, Mina Shirakawa, Ramp Angle,

Speaker 1 the Young Bucks backstage promo, and the starter Swerb Strickland and Will Osprey versus Blake Christian and Lee Johnson with picture a picture.

Speaker 1 643,000 viewers.

Speaker 15 Ouch.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 Not only are they back down to normal on their average, but

Speaker 15 that's one of the lower starts in recent memory, is it not?

Speaker 1 It's considerably off the trend, which is slightly above 700,000. So yes, it is.

Speaker 15 But in

Speaker 15 looking at it in a positive light, they're not going to drop as far as normal. They can't.

Speaker 1 Will we go to quarter two, 8:15 to 8:30 p.m.?

Speaker 1 Continuation of swerve in Osprey versus Blake and Lee.

Speaker 1 the post-match with the Young Bucks, a recap, an ad break, the Young Bucks and Don Callis family backstage angle, and the start of Trent Peretta versus Coda Ibushi,

Speaker 15 Wow. Okay,

Speaker 15 that is 24,600, that's 67,000. It's not as much as they usually lose from one to two, but now they've got to come back up at some point in this show just to make their average.

Speaker 15 Or is it going to come back up now that people are convinced the Bucs are off their screen or what?

Speaker 1 Well, we go to quarter three,

Speaker 1 8:30 to 8:45 p.m.

Speaker 1 The continuation of Beretta versus Abushi, the post-match with Okada, the Jon Moxley backstage promo, an ad break, and the A.R. Fox Ricochet backstage angle.
Good lord. 608,000 viewers.

Speaker 15 Well, they're doing everything they can to run the people off, but they got back 20, 32,000 again.

Speaker 15 Okay, we're safe from the buckaroos now.

Speaker 15 Was that the thought? I don't know.

Speaker 1 We go to quarter four, 8:45 to 9 p.m.

Speaker 1 The continuation of, or actually, I guess the start of Fox and Ricochet versus Jet Speed

Speaker 1 with picture and picture ads and the Jet Speed Hurt Syndicate live angle for the start of it,

Speaker 15 Okay, we're going in the right direction again. Now the Hurts Syndicate are coming up.
I would think that that would mean maybe at the top of the hour, they're going to gain a few.

Speaker 1 Well, you mentioned the top of the hour, the big nine o'clock hour, quarter five, nine to nine, fifteen p.m.

Speaker 1 The continuation of Jet Speed and the Hurt Syndicates live angle now with Mark Briscoe and an ad break,

Speaker 15 And they now officially,

Speaker 15 by 1,000 people, the top of the hour at 9 o'clock is better than the first quarter. That never happens.

Speaker 15 Never happens.

Speaker 1 I think it happened last week.

Speaker 15 Well, and it never happens until the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 What was last week? It was MJF and Mystico.

Speaker 15 But for years, for years, the first number was always bigger than every other number on the show

Speaker 15 by 50,000, 70,000, 100,000, whatever, because it was always in the eights, and then it was in the sevens. Now it's in a six

Speaker 15 sixes, so they're not losing as much, but they're coming back and doing 1,000 people better than the start at. the top of the hour and that's that's not usually heard of

Speaker 1 well again 10 10 million people on max but let's now go to quarter six nine fifteen to nine thirty p.m.

Speaker 1 roderick strong versus mark briscoe versus konosuke tequesta versus bandito with picture in picture

Speaker 1 620 000 viewers

Speaker 15 well that's not as bad as it could have been they are still that is only there's two quarters previously that were lower than that

Speaker 1 Well, we're going at a quarter seven, 9:30 to 9.45 p.m.

Speaker 1 Adam Cole's backstage promo, Athena versus Thunder Rosa versus Willow Nightingale versus Chris Statlander.

Speaker 15 I don't know how long I can go without seeing you.

Speaker 1 Picture-in-picture ads and the post-match with Marina Shafir and Wheeler Yuda,

Speaker 15 So they're fairly steady there. The going home stretch.
We've only got one quarter and an overrun. Can Frank bring it home?

Speaker 1 We'll be going out of quarter eight, I remind you, eight-minute overrun, 9.45 to 10 p.m.

Speaker 1 A recap, an ad break, the FTR and Stokely Hathaway backstage promo, and the start of the Beast Mortos versus Hangman Adam Page. We're picture and picture.

Speaker 1 Eight-minute overrun with the Bucs and the Death Riders and Will Osprey and the Ops,

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 again, looking on the positive side, for the first time I can recall, quarter eight

Speaker 15 had 6,000 more viewers than quarter two.

Speaker 15 But then they fooled those people who had bailed out specifically so they wouldn't have to watch the Bucs and the Bucs came back at the end. So the Buck and the Bucks, the overrun,

Speaker 15 the Bucks get the

Speaker 15 three

Speaker 15 lowest, the two.

Speaker 15 We'll be fair, the two lowest quarter hour ratings of the bunch.

Speaker 1 It's every time it's the Bucks and it's the Moxley stuff.

Speaker 1 If they could only find someone to program the Hurt Syndicate and MJF with that mattered, you'd have something because they're the only thing that ever pops a number.

Speaker 1 But that was dynamite

Speaker 15 well it was and this is my show isn't it

Speaker 1 indeed ka ching

Speaker 15 then that means that i can say when it's over

Speaker 15 and the sale has been made folks come back

Speaker 15 what is it the the drive-through we're going to have the the pay-per-view extravaganza from saudi arabia and hopefully

Speaker 15 No other activity will take place besides what's scheduled over there. And we'll talk about all that.
And next week, more from TNA and all the rest of the gang.

Speaker 15 And until then, for Brian and me, thank you. Fuck you.

Speaker 1 And bye-bye, everybody.