Episode 609: Turkeys Doing Their Thing

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Speaker 1 Hello again, everybody, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Jim Cornette Experience.

Speaker 2 Today, breaking news items that may break some wrestling promoters' hearts, and lots of turkeys doing their thing right before Thanksgiving. And joining me for all that and more.

Speaker 2 Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr. Co-host to you.
He's the only man who eats his turkey with French toast instead of stuffing.

Speaker 2 Be great, Brian, last, everybody. Aloha, Jim.

Speaker 1 A pleasure to be here once again

Speaker 1 and it's a pleasure to be here we have a lot of fun in story you you all the kids

Speaker 2 you've already got me in a foul mood to begin with and i've just recently been out of breath so on top of that you said

Speaker 2 right before we began this program that i modulated on my audio

Speaker 2 And it accused me of sniffing in the countdown when I got my ear stopped up again, so I can't really sniff good or my ear will squish.

Speaker 2 So I'm trying to be an old man over here and make a few silent noises, and you keep fucking pointing them out to me.

Speaker 2 And already I've had problems today, Bright. So it's again a cold,

Speaker 2 damp, rainy, drizzly,

Speaker 2 cloudy, ill-wind-blowing kind of day in Louisville.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 I'm expecting a delivery of shipping materials for the Cornettes Collectibles Empire that I'm running here.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 I leave the garage door open because

Speaker 2 my regular UPS guy, he knows the drill because he just slides it right in there next to all the other shipping materials.

Speaker 2 But now it's the holiday. You know, Thanksgiving's coming up.
And they got extra people

Speaker 2 doing work, I guess.

Speaker 2 And this guy, right as I sit down here

Speaker 2 to do this program, moments before we spoke, I'll do my

Speaker 2 meditation and my Zen Buddhism.

Speaker 2 How do you pronounce that?

Speaker 1 Buddhism?

Speaker 2 Buddha, there you go. My Zen Buddhism,

Speaker 2 so I can do a calm,

Speaker 2 reasoned, rational delivery of the information that we provide here on the program. I always meditate and put myself at a higher state of consciousness.

Speaker 2 And I'm all relaxed.

Speaker 2 And I see the truck pull up.

Speaker 2 And I see it's a new guy getting out of the back out the window here, but I'm all the way up here.

Speaker 2 And I think, well, certainly he's going to see that he's pulled up right in front of an open

Speaker 2 garage door with big boxes of shit marked exactly the same way as these are from the same fucking place I got them from that he's delivering.

Speaker 2 And it's rainy, and he'll put them

Speaker 2 in said open garage, right?

Speaker 2 He puts them on a fucking dolly and heads off down the front walk like he's going to go to the front door. It's a 60-foot walk,

Speaker 2 and before that, if he leaves them there, they weigh 200 pounds, I'm going to have to schlep the shit back.

Speaker 2 So I jump up and I run like a gazelle, Brian.

Speaker 2 I was running like Johnny Weiss Mueller through the jungle and fucking in the 30s and the MGM movies.

Speaker 2 And I run down just as I get to the front door, down the steps and fling the door open. He's starting to set the thing down.
I'm like, no.

Speaker 2 And open the door. I said, no, please put them in the garage.
Oh,

Speaker 2 I was going to knock on the door and see where you wanted them.

Speaker 2 When why did you slip this 200 pounds of shit all the way down the front walk, 60 feet to the front door to leave them on my porch. I'm thinking,

Speaker 2 if you were just going to ask, shouldn't you just have come and asked for it? But nevertheless, I said, down there, please.

Speaker 2 And then I had to run out there to make sure that he put them in the right place. He might have put him in a neighbor's garage.

Speaker 2 So then I ran right back up here

Speaker 2 and I'm not in the condition I used to be. I'm out of breath telling you about it.
But what is where has common sense gone?

Speaker 2 Giant open door

Speaker 2 to deliver giant boxes or take them 60 feet in the rain and set them on a porch.

Speaker 1 I don't know where that was. That was the first question I've asked.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know where common sense has gone. Now, I think that was the question you asked.
Where is common sense?

Speaker 2 That was the first one I'd asked that wasn't rhetorical, but yes, where, oh, where has my common sense gone?

Speaker 2 What do people think?

Speaker 2 You can tell it's getting up on the holidays. And

Speaker 2 I can tell that

Speaker 2 sometimes my

Speaker 2 effort level of preparation for the show tends to wane here at the holidays, Brian. And we just wing it right out of the crack of my ass or the top of my head or wherever this shit comes from.

Speaker 2 And some of this today may be some of that, but

Speaker 2 a childhood dream of mine

Speaker 2 was fulfilled here recently

Speaker 2 by somebody else. Did you hear about this?

Speaker 1 A childhood dream? No, I don't know what I'm afraid of what this could be.

Speaker 2 A childhood dream of mine. When I was a kid, when I was nine, ten years old, my mom was taking me to the yard sales of the flea market.

Speaker 2 We'd be buying the comic books and collecting all the cool shit that you could get back then for ridiculously cheap amounts that now cost a fucking fortune.

Speaker 2 The dream of Jim, of little Jimmy Cornet,

Speaker 2 was that I was going to walk into the flea market or go to a yard sale and somebody's going to say, look at my attic or whatever. And there is the fucking

Speaker 2 million dollar, well, it wasn't a million dollar comic, but there is the action comics number one.

Speaker 2 There's the Superman number one. There's the.

Speaker 2 Golden Age comic book, Holy Grail, just sitting there that

Speaker 2 old grandma Gretel says, Yeah, my kids used to read those. Here, it's 15 cents or something like that.
And

Speaker 2 all the, you know, the glory that would come my way with doing that. Some kids wanted to be astronauts, and some wanted to be firemen, and some wanted to be double-knought spies.

Speaker 2 But besides, for my

Speaker 2 Johnny Weiss-Mueller period and my Jim Wild, Wild West period, Jim West period,

Speaker 2 i wanted to be the guy that found the comic book

Speaker 2 and it happened

Speaker 2 but to somebody else did you you obviously didn't hear about this big news no i don't know where you're going no

Speaker 2 these brothers apparently they're like my age and that's the point

Speaker 2 is that they their mother

Speaker 2 had passed away years ago or whatever. And she had told them at one point, oh, yeah, I got some old comic books.
I'm going to leave them to you or whatever.

Speaker 2 And they'd put her stuff in the attic and never thought anything about it. And

Speaker 2 I guess now they're cleaning stuff out or whatever.

Speaker 2 And there is the highest graded copy ever of Superman number one. Wow.

Speaker 2 A 9.0.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 It has now surpassed Action Comics number one as the highest price ever paid for a comic book. It just went for $9.12 million.

Speaker 2 Million dollars.

Speaker 2 And there's a picture of it. It's slabbed, obviously, but you can say there looks like there's either a smudge or a sunshade.

Speaker 2 The real deep collectors will know what I'm talking about there on just like a fingernail-sized part of the cover. And otherwise, you can't see a wrinkle or a tear or a

Speaker 2 no, a 9.0. That's near mint, whatever, in today's language, or in my language.
It's a 9.0 in today's language. But heritage auctions,

Speaker 2 $9.12 million they got. It was in Northern California,

Speaker 2 which is key because sitting in an attic for all that time.

Speaker 2 And that's why, remember the Mile High collection from Denver.

Speaker 2 Same deal.

Speaker 2 There's not only lower humidity, but because there's not these giant temperature swings,

Speaker 2 the shit, you know, it doesn't degrade the paper.

Speaker 2 Well, like, if it had been an attic in

Speaker 2 Texas or Louisiana, it would have been rot by now.

Speaker 2 But yes, and

Speaker 2 like five or six other like early action comics that would be

Speaker 2 again, depending on condition, they didn't mention those. You know, those are only a couple hundred grand a piece, probably.

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like what we always say, you think everything's been found.

Speaker 1 There's still plenty that's out there that no one has discovered yet. I read something recently about like the earliest known Babe Ruth baseball card was found and sold at auction.

Speaker 1 It's like, how is that just found now?

Speaker 1 You know, now, almost, you know, over 100 years after the card was issued, but there's still stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's one of the reasons I never give up hope about television footage emerging from different places.

Speaker 2 See, that's the thing is I always, I was just a little too late.

Speaker 2 I would have loved to get in the wrestling business 10 years earlier so I could have got 10 more years of the territories and really been

Speaker 2 gone by now. I'm sure some people would agree with that.

Speaker 2 And when I was a kid,

Speaker 2 starting reading and collecting comics

Speaker 2 when I'm like six, that's one thing. But

Speaker 2 by the time that I was starting to see the ads and the comics back issues and things like that, say 1970.

Speaker 2 you know, started getting the catalogs and really schlepping around for this stuff.

Speaker 2 If I'd have been been five years earlier in 1965,

Speaker 2 I guarantee you there was not one tenth of one percentile of people in the country that would have told you that old comic books were worth any goddamn thing. It was a very small

Speaker 2 culture, subculture, sort of like wrestling today, only even a lot smaller.

Speaker 2 And they're the fucking ambulances going by here, if you can hear that.

Speaker 1 If you went to the office,

Speaker 1 if you went to the office and told your co-workers, yeah, I'm going this weekend to buy a whole bunch of old comic books, they would have thought you were a lunatic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, that's the thing is that there was no thought to that. There was there were collectors and there was some underground level of small fandom, but until

Speaker 2 66, 67, that's when it started popping up.

Speaker 2 And I was just a couple of years too late because the older people that knew a little bit more about what they were doing and had disposable income started going around and doing what I was doing.

Speaker 2 And still, you know, you could do that, going to flea markets and yard sales and garage sales where people would have boxes of shit from their attic.

Speaker 2 And here's the, I know a lot of people are going, well, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 For me in 1971, at the age of 10, to have found a 33-year-old comic book, Action Comics Number One,

Speaker 2 would be like somebody now going to somebody's fucking driveway garage sale and finding a comic book from 1992.

Speaker 2 See that?

Speaker 2 It was a little bit harder because of the war effort. A lot of shit got eaten up thanks to recycling.
Therefore, that's why the golden age comics are so expensive.

Speaker 2 But you could still find shit that age.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 all these things are relative, right? So I'm trying to find these fucking 30-year-old comics

Speaker 2 that I have sold recently and continue to sell for thousands of times what I paid for them, which sometimes was $5 for a box.

Speaker 2 But that was, you know, it was just timing at that point.

Speaker 1 Something you said earlier triggered the thought being about Jerry Lawler, but I'll open it to a bigger question.

Speaker 1 Were there any wrestlers you knew of who collected comics?

Speaker 1 When you got into the business, and I thought about Lawler first just because knowing he was an artist, knowing that he drew comics, he did the Patriot for Wrestling Monthly.

Speaker 1 Knowing he's a big Batman fan, I just wonder when he got disposable income in the 70s, was he the kind of guy that would buy comics? Did he collect comics?

Speaker 2 I don't.

Speaker 2 I know that now he has Neil Adams' Batman stuff.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he ever had an organized collection of comic books per se, or if it was just overall part of here's this comic and this item, because it's this artist I like type of thing,

Speaker 2 because he's got the entire also, you know, museum of Superman and Batman memorabilia. So it was like he, oh, here, let me show you my 10 long boxes.
It wasn't that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 I don't know

Speaker 2 a lot of other guys.

Speaker 2 And again, this shows my somewhat single-mindedness, even as a child when I got interested in things.

Speaker 2 Like I don't know anybody that was in the wrestling business. I know plenty of them that were fans.
I don't know anybody that was as a fan and collector and

Speaker 2 obsessor like I was. I know a bunch of guys

Speaker 2 read comics, you know, oh,

Speaker 2 they knew the fucking deal, but not like, oh, here's my long boxes. I was the only one of those two.

Speaker 2 I still have my collection of fucking rocks from Dale Hollow Lake when I was five. That's in the garage.
I can show you that sometime.

Speaker 2 But this is the fucking, we remember we were talking the other day about the newspaper and

Speaker 2 how there's nothing to it anymore. And at one time, everybody read the paper, and that's how the promoters advertise, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 The classified section in those days, if you wanted a job,

Speaker 2 you got classifieds and

Speaker 2 now hiring. Or if you needed somebody,

Speaker 2 you took a classified out,

Speaker 2 help wanted, right?

Speaker 2 It was the same thing with these yard sales and garage sales, where these people would take out, it was a fucking $1.80

Speaker 2 to take out a classified ad in a fucking newspaper that had a circulation in the hundreds of thousands in the classified section.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 that's what you would look through. And some of them would say,

Speaker 2 you know, antique dolls and, you know, yard equipment, but some of them might say toys or comic books or even just books or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 And then you might go there if it was close, or you might call the people if they had a number and say, Hey, you got any comic books? No, they save you a trip.

Speaker 2 My mom would even, every once in a while, we'd take out an ad and wanted to buy comic books and shit. It was $1.80.

Speaker 2 And every once in a while, somebody would call. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Any comic books or any specific titles?

Speaker 2 Well, no, because then then here's the thing. Some fucking woman, I got an incredible run

Speaker 2 of little orphan annie strips and some sundy

Speaker 2 color comics pages with Superman and Tarzan, a Hal Foster Tarzan

Speaker 2 from this woman that lived over in the Highlands. Good Lord, what was her name? It may have been Edna.

Speaker 2 Edna Dietzman. I can't, but point being,

Speaker 2 her son had saved that stuff and he had moved out long ago and actually passed away at that point.

Speaker 2 And she called my well, I have these items. And we went over and bought them from her.
And she was such a nice lady. But,

Speaker 2 you know, if you put an ad in every once in a while, somebody would have something.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 this one guy, god damn it,

Speaker 2 there was a guy all the way down on Dixie Highway.

Speaker 2 and he had called. He was this, if this was 1972,

Speaker 2 he bought this shit off the stands, and he was in his mid-40s. So they were 30 years old, but early DC, Golden Age, Timeleys,

Speaker 2 and then EC Comics from the 50s.

Speaker 1 That's what I was going to ask you about. Anything beyond Marvel and DC, specifically EC.

Speaker 2 The EC comics from the 50s, but by that point, 1972, we're talking the EC comics may have been 20 or 30 bucks a piece,

Speaker 2 which is, oh my God, I remember my mom paid $25 for the Amazing Fantasy XV for my birthday.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 the DCs, the golden age stuff, he wanted $30, $40, $100.

Speaker 2 So I got one book, which I think was $50. I believe it was the most we ever paid for a comic, but this was a Christmas present.

Speaker 2 You know, World's Finest comics was the batman superman right

Speaker 2 team up title for so long i have some of the omnibus of that yeah omnibuy i guess but the very first edition was titled world's best comics it had batman superman on the cover but that was the number one and that's the one i got

Speaker 2 and sold it during the Smoky Mountain days 20 years later for like, I think, a couple of thousand dollars, whatever.

Speaker 1 And if you had held on to it for another 10 years, you could multiply that.

Speaker 2 Well, yes, exponentially. But, you know, daddy needed a new TV station.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the point is, as I look back now and think with these three, and I got to look through the cool stacks of comic books, right? He had like three big stacks. It was in nice condition.

Speaker 2 And it was like stuff from 1995 in terms of chronologically, but it was a different world because of the way things had,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 metamorphosized.

Speaker 2 If I'd have had $2,000,

Speaker 2 which at that point in time, and bear in mind, my mom's like, Jimmy, you're 12. You know, I wouldn't have even have asked, but what would $2,000 be in 1972 today? Would it be

Speaker 2 10 or 12 grand, 14 grand, whatever?

Speaker 2 I guarantee you the books sitting there that he had

Speaker 2 would price out today at potentially getting to seven figures, certainly high sixes.

Speaker 2 That's why it's just, it's got ridiculous.

Speaker 2 Real people can't get in the wrestling business or collect comic books anymore.

Speaker 1 When I was a kid, it was my dream: like, one day I'm going to buy all these comics that I've ever wanted.

Speaker 1 Every time I go into a comic book store and you see all those old issues on the wall, I'm going to get all of them.

Speaker 1 And the older I got, I'm like, you know,

Speaker 1 this market's gotten out of hand. I don't know if I'm going to do it.
That's when I started collecting all the different omnibus books for Marvel and DC. That way I at least have all the stories.

Speaker 1 And, you know, some books are better than others. Tashin did some reissues where they have all the original advertising, which is cool to see.

Speaker 1 But just to at least have everything, the Marvel Masterworks and the omnibuses, Omnibay. Yeah.
I settled for that and I'm happy with it and I like it.

Speaker 1 But you know, it was a time where I would have done anything to buy all these old issues.

Speaker 2 I have some of the

Speaker 2 omnibus and the reprints and etc., a few of them. But the good thing is that

Speaker 2 since there's not a lot of value to them anyway, I'd never have sold any of broken up any of my collections of Marvel's collector's item classics or Marvel's greatest superheroes, which were the

Speaker 2 reprint titles in the late 60s, early 70s. So all the reprints are there, and those are now 50-something years old.

Speaker 1 They just had a big thing in New York where

Speaker 1 it was in a village. I forget which street it was now.
It may have been, I don't want to even guess, but they were trying to rename it, or I guess they did Jack Kirby Place

Speaker 1 because it's where Jack Kirby was from. And then...
You know, as soon as that came out, all of a sudden you start reading all the articles about fuck Stan Lee, fucks,

Speaker 1 anything you read now about Marvel Comics, it's like within the first two or three sentences, it's, you know, usually a fuck Stan Lee in there. And then with DC,

Speaker 1 I don't know how much you know about it. We talked about something and you brought up Bob Kane.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we heard from a few listeners and then I watched some documentary about the guy who did all the work when Bob Kane put his name on it and took all the credit and then was like silenced by DC.

Speaker 2 Was it Finger?

Speaker 1 I think so. I think so.
I don't remember the name off the top of my head, but now he gets credit for being like a co-creator of Batman.

Speaker 1 But for years, he didn't. And at the same time, apparently Bob Kane was a real asshole.

Speaker 2 Well, but you would have thought at least Dan Lee would have, because he lives long, he would have switched babyface in the end because of the way that everybody treated him and leeched off his poor, dying, desiccated carcass on the way out.

Speaker 1 It blew my mind because, again, I'm born in 1979. Start getting into comics in the 80s.
Being aware of comics even in the 80s. I knew who Stan Lee was.
His image was all over the place.

Speaker 1 His name was everywhere. They didn't hide what he looked like.

Speaker 1 Years later, when I see him as a bald man in the 60s,

Speaker 1 I was like, the heck could that be Stan Lee? It sounds just like Stan Lee.

Speaker 1 But that man looks like a different man. I didn't realize he had a wig and he came up with this whole look to make himself.

Speaker 2 He got a new gimmick. He's got a new gimmick, baby.

Speaker 1 Like John DeLorean. All of a sudden, he's a different person.

Speaker 2 But you've got to admire him just for longevity, if nothing else. Imagine if Pfeffer had been able to hang on that long.

Speaker 1 He tried, man. I have all that stuff he sent around in the 60s.

Speaker 1 He claimed it was a picture of him in the 40s backstage, but he looked older in the photo than he would have been. But it's like

Speaker 1 the original Beetle, Jack Phyllis.

Speaker 2 The original Beetlecruis.

Speaker 2 It was the original Beetle haircut because when he's at a hotel room by himself at night to save money, he'd turn a bowl over his head and cut his own hair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was dirty and moppish because he didn't wash it, not because it was a stylish take on things.

Speaker 1 I just saw a man leave this barbershop with the greatest haircut I've ever seen. Give me that.

Speaker 2 Well, Prince Valiant had had it trademarked. So, nevertheless, anyway, before we move on with any

Speaker 2 other wrestling

Speaker 2 malarkey, there's somebody else in big trouble. We just need to take a minute to acknowledge this because we've talked about him.

Speaker 2 He's been a friend of the show here in the past a couple of different times.

Speaker 2 What the heck is Smokey Robinson up to now?

Speaker 1 I guess you could say the tears of a clown.

Speaker 1 Potentially. I'm not exactly sure.
I have an article here. I think we first started talking about Smokey, if I may call him such, here on the show.

Speaker 2 We're familiar.

Speaker 2 We played his audio

Speaker 2 here.

Speaker 1 And Chinook is coming up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chinook is coming up. So we can talk about Smokey now.

Speaker 1 Smokey had been accused of...

Speaker 2 We should say we're not making fun of a...

Speaker 2 a solemn

Speaker 2 holiday season, but Smokey Robinson did a cameo a few years ago where they asked him to wish so-and-so, little bupkiss, whatever,

Speaker 2 happy Hanukkah. And they used the,

Speaker 2 I get Brian,

Speaker 2 pronunciation is interchangeable, or some is an H and some is a CH, correct?

Speaker 1 The spelling is interchangeable, I guess you could argue. The pronunciation is kind of.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, the spelling, you can see it's spelled both ways, but you

Speaker 2 say it's the same way, but Smokey wished little

Speaker 2 Pismo a happy chinooka.

Speaker 2 That's right. That's what the reference was.
So we feel like we've, since we've had him on the show here, we're on a first-name basis.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of what you expect from the lovable old Motown legend Smokey Robinson. Just some kind of whimsical moment, lighthearted.

Speaker 2 Spreads joy and happiness. Everyone got that big grin, and he's always happy, and he's beaming, and he has the mellifluous voice that sings to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he has that voice, everything.

Speaker 1 I think the next thing we heard about him was he was accused of sexually harassing his longtime maid.

Speaker 1 But now we have a new article here. This is from the New York Post under Celebrity News.

Speaker 1 Smokey Robinson hit with two new sexual battery allegations,

Speaker 1 including one from a male ex-employee.

Speaker 2 Oh, Christ's sake, Smokey!

Speaker 1 This was written by Bernie Zillio.

Speaker 1 Smokey Robinson has been hit with two new sexual battery allegations, including one from a former male employee. The two new accusers, John Doe 1 and Jane Doe 5,

Speaker 1 5, have been added as plaintiffs to the $50 million lawsuit originally filed in May by Jane Doe's one through four. I didn't know about that.

Speaker 2 That's it, and they're all related.

Speaker 1 Four former housekeepers who accused Robinson of raping them repeatedly throughout their employment. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 According to the amended complaint, which was obtained Wednesday by page six, John Doe One

Speaker 1 began working for the Motown Music Mobile and his wife Frances Robinson at their Chatsworth, California residence in 2013,

Speaker 1 performing auto-wait, hold on.

Speaker 2 Isn't Chatsworth right in the middle of where they used to make all the porn when porn

Speaker 2 video companies were a thing before the internet.

Speaker 1 You would know more about that than I.

Speaker 2 I'm just, I'm just,

Speaker 1 see, I heard something. Uh, this man, John Doe one, was performing automobile dealing, not dealing, was performing automobile detailing

Speaker 1 and related services.

Speaker 2 He set up in a front of Smokey's yard and started selling him some cars. Hey, come on now.
This one's got cold air, folks.

Speaker 1 And related services on a recurring basis.

Speaker 1 John Doe one alleges in the suit that Smokey, 85,

Speaker 1 began sexually harassing him shortly after he was hired, often coming out to where John Doe One was working, wearing only underwear.

Speaker 1 But wait,

Speaker 1 you're working on the car and a guy shows up in his underwear?

Speaker 2 But he's 85. Isn't that actually, I mean, did...

Speaker 2 Do we think he might be pulling a

Speaker 2 Vincent Gigante thing here? Or is he

Speaker 2 he's just 85? What the fuck?

Speaker 1 Smokey would then allegedly inappropriately touch himself in front of John Doe One, who alleges that the, quote, sexual arousal was vivid and unmistakable during these incidents

Speaker 1 according to the complaint.

Speaker 2 And for that, He should have stood up and given Smokey a round of applause because he's 85.

Speaker 2 How is this even possible?

Speaker 1 Well, there's drugs, but maybe he should have gotten up and punched Smokey in his face. Screwed up that facelift.
Let me go back to this.

Speaker 1 The alleged behavior was often accompanied by vulgar and offensive advances, to which John Doe 1 would repeatedly respond: put some clothes on.

Speaker 1 Per the suit.

Speaker 1 Oh, Smokey, no.

Speaker 2 Put some clothes on, Smokey. I want to remember you like you were.

Speaker 1 We're doing this again. Put some clothes on.

Speaker 1 John Doe One alleges in the complaint that in 2022, Smokey grabbed his hand without consent and attempted to force it onto his private area, prompting John Doe One to allegedly withdraw, turn away, and leave the property.

Speaker 2 Withdraw? Turn away. That should be the title of an album.

Speaker 1 John Doe One claims he quit shortly after that incident, but returned to work in 2023 at the couple's request.

Speaker 1 However, Smokey's alleged...

Speaker 2 Wait a minute, what now? Hold on.

Speaker 1 He had enough. So he quit.

Speaker 2 He had enough. Smokey, put your clothes on, and he quit.

Speaker 2 But they asked him to come back and he did.

Speaker 1 However, Smokey's alleged behavior continued.

Speaker 1 And after, quote, no, learning of similar conduct towards other victims and out of a concern for his own well-being, John Doe won quit again, according to the suit.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, John Doe.

Speaker 2 What was their conversation? Like, please come back. We changed Smokey's medicine.

Speaker 1 He's going to wear clothes. I promise you he'll have clothes, at least a robe.

Speaker 2 Yes, he knows where he is now. He won't try to, you know, fondle you.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Jane Doe 5 claims in the complaint that she began working for the Robinsons as a housekeeper in 2005.

Speaker 1 She allegedly took a leave of absence due to a work-related injury, but returned to work at the couple's Chatsworth home from 2007 to 2011.

Speaker 1 Jane Doe Five alleges in the suit that Smokey began sexually harassing her a couple months after she returned to work and continued to do so throughout her employment.

Speaker 1 She alleges the sexual harassment often occurred on the second-floor bathroom of the home.

Speaker 1 Let me scroll down. There's pictures of Smokey here.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought you were going to say there's pictures of the bathroom.

Speaker 1 Jane Doe5 alleges in the complaint that Smokey would call her baby and summon her to the bathroom while he was showering or preparing to exit the shower.

Speaker 1 Smokey would then allegedly ask her to enter and scrub his back.

Speaker 1 On more than 10 occasions, He allegedly grabbed her hand and attempted to force her to touch his private area, which she allegedly resisted by pushing his hands away and leaving the bathroom, according to the suit.

Speaker 1 Jane Doe 5 goes on to allege in the complaint that Smokey would often walk around the house naked and rub his elbow against her chest as he passed by,

Speaker 1 saying,

Speaker 1 I like you and want to touch all of you.

Speaker 1 Ask for whatever you want so you could be with me.

Speaker 1 What the f- He also allegedly propositioned her to accompany him to a nearby hotel. Per the suit.

Speaker 2 He's 85.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine, unless he has had as extensive a surgery on the rest of him as he's had on his face?

Speaker 2 Can you imagine what he looks like walking around?

Speaker 1 That's why he said, take a good look at my face. It was ignore the rest of me.

Speaker 1 Don't look at me. Could I rest up this shits out of place.

Speaker 1 Let me go back to this article here.

Speaker 1 Jane Do5 also claims she was overworked and underpaid, alleges in the complaint that Frances, the wife, not the talking mule, 73, was aware of her husband's behavior but failed to intervene.

Speaker 1 Jane Do5 also alleges that Francis regularly yelled at her, often using ethnically pejorative language, and blamed her for various missing items.

Speaker 1 The accusers are suing for sexual battery, assault, sexual harassment, gender violence, hostile work environment, negligence, false imprisonment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, failure to pay minimum wage, failure to pay overtime wages, and failure to provide rest and meal periods,

Speaker 1 among other claims.

Speaker 1 Let me stop there. We have a statement.

Speaker 2 Among other,

Speaker 2 what other claims can there be? I think they covered it there.

Speaker 2 There's kind of a wide variety of claims there, but what

Speaker 2 has anybody

Speaker 2 again?

Speaker 2 I'm just asking because I don't have his phone number. I don't talk to him on a regular basis.

Speaker 2 Has anybody verified whether Smokey is a vegetable or whether he's just still able to do this shit at 85 years old and is walking around lecherously

Speaker 2 fornicating on people.

Speaker 1 We have a statement from the Robinsons. This is through their attorney, Christopher Frost.

Speaker 1 These plaintiffs are part of the same group of people that have conspired together against the Robinsons and are layering out their claims for maximum adverse publicity.

Speaker 1 We have already explained in the Robinsons lawsuit against this group for defamation, civil conspiracy, and elder abuse that

Speaker 1 all along this has been an organized, avaricious campaign to extract money from an 85-year-old legend.

Speaker 1 The group of people who hide behind anonymity and their attorneys seek global publicity while making the ugliest of false allegations.

Speaker 1 We have sought the court's intervention multiple times to require these anonymous individuals to divulge essential information, turn over relevant evidence, and share deposition transcripts with the district attorney.

Speaker 1 For obvious reasons, this group of does and their attorneys refuse to be

Speaker 1 refused to be forthcoming with all the evidence possible to investigate their own claims. Once the public can see the truth, the avaricious motives and fabricated claims will be revealed.

Speaker 1 When asked about the original complaint in May, Smokey told the Daily Mail, I am appalled.

Speaker 1 That's it? That's all he said.

Speaker 2 That's all he said.

Speaker 2 Are they sure he didn't say, I buried Paul?

Speaker 1 Smokey, what do you have to say about all these allegations that you did all these things to these women? I'm appalled.

Speaker 1 That doesn't really answer like what he's appalled by or what is the appalling about it.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute. Hold on here one second.

Speaker 2 Let me just hold on. Appalled.

Speaker 2 Appalled. Let's take him at his literal word.
Oh, it's all the way back at the front.

Speaker 2 There's architecture. I'm going backwards.
Appear.

Speaker 1 He said cranberry sauce.

Speaker 2 Aorta, apathy, a part

Speaker 2 hide.

Speaker 2 It doesn't have a polled. Oh, no, there's two Ps.
That's why.

Speaker 2 That I bet.

Speaker 2 Where would that be? Son of a bitch. Aphorism.

Speaker 2 Apocalypse.

Speaker 2 Appall. To fill with horror or dismay.

Speaker 2 So that doesn't really.

Speaker 2 Well, I guess he it's a truthful statement.

Speaker 2 If you said to him

Speaker 2 whether it was true or not, he would be appalled by it. It would fill him with horror and dismay.

Speaker 1 well this is the uh

Speaker 2 he can't trust anybody anymore let's become our weekly update into the downfall of famous people but 85 years old

Speaker 2 what the

Speaker 1 it is smoky all the money in the world and tons of iagra

Speaker 2 can that be good for your heart if you're 85 years old i wouldn't think so but i don't know how that works

Speaker 2 There's got to be a law of diminishing returns somewhere.

Speaker 2 You know, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 No, go ahead. On the topic of sexual harassment or anything, you know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 I just saw a video that someone posted of Vince McMahon for my 2003, 2004, somewhere in there on Bite This or whatever the WWE online show was where he was being asked questions.

Speaker 1 And he was asked about you and Ed Ferrara,

Speaker 1 about you spitting spitting at Ed Ferrara in his face.

Speaker 2 I did not know that this existed.

Speaker 1 Oh, you don't, you want me to pull it up? Do you want to actually hear what Vince had to say?

Speaker 2 I've never heard of this or about this before.

Speaker 1 All right, give me a moment. I'll see if I can find it.
If you want to recount the story real quick about you and Ed Ferrara.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, for the longtime listeners, I'm sorry if we're chewing our food twice. You already know it.
But basically,

Speaker 2 I had not seen Ed Ferrara in person, been in the same place with with him since he had done the Oklahoma business where he was making fun of Jim Ross's Bell's palsy and his droopy face and et cetera.

Speaker 2 And I felt that not only was I

Speaker 2 unhappy that anybody would make fun

Speaker 2 of a friend of mine's

Speaker 2 potentially could have been career ending at that time physical ailment, an illness that he had undergone, and didn't know whether he was going to ever fully be back.

Speaker 2 So, we didn't know about the next 30 years, but also for it to be this fat fucking little tub of shit

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 had somehow leeched his way into the wrestling business for like two years. And then, at this point, was trying to live on his former glory

Speaker 2 because when they were

Speaker 2 trying to set up

Speaker 2 TNA Wrestling, and he was potentially going to be one of the announcers with,

Speaker 2 I can't even remember who he was going to do it with at first.

Speaker 2 But I was doing a show for Burt Prentiss in the Nashville Fairgrounds sports arena,

Speaker 2 and I was doing commentary with, good Lord, was it Scott Hudson, maybe whoever the fuck.

Speaker 2 And Bert had called me and said, hey, they're going to.

Speaker 2 They're going to practice their TNA announce team at the fairgrounds. And I thought he was saying, so we need to use them instead of you guys.
I'm like, okay, that's because I'm busy with OVW, Bert.

Speaker 2 He knows I want you to do my show, but their team is

Speaker 2 again, who it was Don West, Don West and Ed Ferrara.

Speaker 2 I said, oh, I'm going to knock that shit out of him.

Speaker 2 And that's what Bert had said, please don't for me.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So we're going to coexist in the building. I had no intention of speaking to him.

Speaker 2 And when I'm standing back there talking to somebody, in comes this idiot with dreadlocks on, the whitest, fattest, tubbiest motherfucker in the world with dreadlocks on, and walks right up to me and sticks his hand out.

Speaker 2 Hi, Jim.

Speaker 2 So I looked at him and told him what I thought of what he had done.

Speaker 2 And I had promised Bert that I wouldn't hit him,

Speaker 2 but I didn't say that I wouldn't try to make him hit me first. So I spit in his face when I cut the promo on him, which is, I'm sure, available here on our YouTube channel somewhere.

Speaker 2 Maybe even the Arcadian Vanguard Network channel that's been so long.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 he didn't fight me.

Speaker 2 He just walked off.

Speaker 1 Well, in 2002, Vince McMahon was asked his opinion about this.

Speaker 2 That's about when it happened.

Speaker 1 The audio may not be the best. Let's go to this.

Speaker 4 And again, there's another situation I think that has been on the internet as of late. And I just.

Speaker 1 By the way, that's Tom Pritchard talking to him.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes.

Speaker 4 There was a situation this past week involving Jim Cornette and another writer that was here at Ferrara. Sure.

Speaker 4 Of course, I've known Jimmy for over 20 years. He worked up here with you, and I don't think you can deny his passion or

Speaker 4 his work ethic as well. Do you feel that

Speaker 4 something like that,

Speaker 4 do you feel the animosity or do you feel anything

Speaker 4 the same way Jim Cornette would towards this guy or would Ed Ferrara be welcomed back as well? I mean, he made fun of J.R.

Speaker 4 This is the reason Jim, of course, had these personal feelings and went in and pretty much stood up to the guy and told him, go to hell.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Yes.

Speaker 4 When that opinion goes beyond an opinion, you know, and it results in physicality, results in spitting in somebody's face as it allegedly happened. I don't know.
I wasn't there. That's unprofessional.

Speaker 4 So, you know, I mean, no one can appreciate Cornette's passion for the quote business any more than I do. I appreciate that.
I don't know that Ed Ferrara doesn't have it either.

Speaker 4 I mean, I just thought it was a very unprofessional situation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, there it is. Vince McMahon in 2002.
What do you think of that?

Speaker 2 I think,

Speaker 2 of course, when Vince was the, was that the first year of the IPO when he was trying to play the CEO when we kind of have the unprofessional conduct?

Speaker 2 And then once he's a billionaire, he pays out $25 million because he shits on people's heads. At least I only spit in his face.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine the headlines I could have got if I'd have shit on Ed Ferrara's head?

Speaker 1 I don't think there was any coming back from that at that point.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, it's more acceptable now than it was 25 years ago.

Speaker 2 What, to shit on somebody's head?

Speaker 1 That would have been something. That's the funny part about it.
The whole idea that Vince McMahon is pointing at you're unprofessional for doing that. Meanwhile, he was sleeping with talent.

Speaker 2 Oh, I forgot. That was concurrent with that, wasn't it? Well, yeah.
Well, but he didn't spit on him beforehand. Well, shit, maybe he did.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. He spit on him when he told him to call Laurinitis.

Speaker 1 Well, anyway.

Speaker 1 That was Vince McMahon in 2002 sounding like Vince McMahon for his voice was totally gone.

Speaker 2 And oh, and that's another thing is that

Speaker 2 Vince and Smokey are within what seven years of each other.

Speaker 2 So therefore, now they've joined the

Speaker 2 80-year-old billionaires Viagra Club or whatever, and they're competing with each other to see who can be the dirtier old man.

Speaker 1 It's always weird when they say like the wife's aware and she's okay. Like that same thing with Bill Cosby.
They're like, you know, his wife has to know that he's been raping hundreds of women.

Speaker 2 And in this case, is Smokey's wife the one? She's 73. Is she the one that's fucking senile? No, Smokey's up in his room again.
Who knows what the fuck's going on with these people?

Speaker 1 He called someone.

Speaker 1 He called someone baby. Yeah, he's been doing that for 70 years.

Speaker 2 If calling somebody baby is going to get you in trouble, then Jimmy Hart would have been in jail 50 years ago.

Speaker 2 But you know what all these people need to do, don't you, Brian? Oh, no.

Speaker 2 All these people

Speaker 2 need to just fucking protect their privacy because all this shit gets out.

Speaker 2 So here's what you need to do. If you're a,

Speaker 2 I don't know, a 80-year-old octogenarian multi-millionaire Motown star

Speaker 2 and you want to hire somebody do it on the internet with a VPN from Surfshark where you can protect your privacy

Speaker 2 you can tell the people that you're hiring for menial yard labor that you're really a fucking

Speaker 2 yacht broker from Toulon France instead of who you are the dirty old man in his bathrobe that's going to come out and wiggle his wang around.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't think that's a good thing. That's what Surfshark can do for for you.
That's not what they could do for you. I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Speaker 1 This is not really a sales point, but what Surfshark can do for you, Jim, talking about Vince McMahon, big changes since Vince McMahon left WWE.

Speaker 1 The pay-per-views, the premium live events, the Saturday Night's Main events, they're all over the place.

Speaker 2 They're everywhere.

Speaker 1 You don't know how you're going to get them. There's an easy way to get them.

Speaker 1 There's an easy way to get them.

Speaker 2 You don't know where your next big event is coming from, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 That's right, but there's an easy way to get these big events all in one place. Just say you're Canadian with Surfshark.

Speaker 2 That's right. Because the Canadian people are so nice.
People just give them shit.

Speaker 2 They don't have to watch commercials. They don't have to do.
Put yourself in the middle of,

Speaker 2 you know, somewhere like Saskatoon.

Speaker 2 And they will just, they'll beam all these shows.

Speaker 2 You'll actually just get to be able to log on to the security camera at the WWE headquarters where you can just watch the wrestlers come and go on Surfshark.

Speaker 2 Because you can just tell the Surfshark people that you're the goddamn head of the secret police for Saskatoon. And automatically, you're going to be looking at the hidden cameras.

Speaker 1 Again, you're adding layers to this that are unnecessary, fans. Well, we're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 Well, you got to be layered up in the wintertime. It's fucking cold out there.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 telling you. This is easy and safe, and something.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's easy and safe safe because there's a risk-free 30-day money-back guarantee with Surfshark.

Speaker 2 And if you sign up for Surfshark using our link,

Speaker 2 the code JCE, you're going to get four extra months with no charge on top of what you sign up for just by using that JCE code. So like you said, it's easy and simple.

Speaker 2 You just tell these people that you're in command of the United Network Command of Law Enforcement, uncle,

Speaker 2 and you want all the wrestling programs beamed to your lair somewhere in a Swiss mountainside.

Speaker 2 And when you type that in, boom, you get all the wrestling shows on Surfshark, right? And nobody knows that you're really,

Speaker 2 you know, fucking Tits McGee from down the street in Poughkeepsie.

Speaker 2 That's the way it works, right?

Speaker 1 I don't, again, you give really not the best examples. Let's put it this way, folks.

Speaker 1 TKO is trying to get every cent they can from you, whether it's live events and, of course, the various different media rights deals they have, forcing you, the wrestling fan, to have to spend endless amounts of money every single month just to be able to have the chance to access the multitude of events that are just non-stop coming at you every single week.

Speaker 1 If Tony Khan adds another show, you know they're going to add another show. You know, they're going to try to mess him up.

Speaker 1 It's non-stop WWE. That's the TKO way.
But you could say, I'm not going to pay for all these things. I'm going to pay for Netflix in Canada with Surfshark.

Speaker 2 Yes, and use Surfshark's money for it. And that way it won't cost you anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you have to use your money. Again, that wasn't part of the deal.

Speaker 2 I thought you said you're going to pay for it with Surfshark.

Speaker 1 Using the service of Surfshark. You're going to go to Surfshark and you're going to sign up.

Speaker 1 Well, using the promo code, and you're going to see all the WWE events as they would in Canada without the stress and pain of those bills.

Speaker 2 If you call their 800 number, every once in in a while, one of the girls on the phone lines will talk to you for a little while and she might lend you the money.

Speaker 1 They don't have an 800 number, but Jim, we're telling everybody. Well,

Speaker 2 I got her apartment number. Maybe it's just a post office box at a mail drop place, but

Speaker 2 she's in Sarasota, Florida.

Speaker 1 All right. This is your show.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, so anyway, so folks, right now, Surf Shark, nobody will know who you are. Be who you want to be around the world and take advantages of all of the privacy features of a quality vpn

Speaker 2 and that's not even a vice president all you got to do is go to surfshark.com

Speaker 2 surfshark.com slash jce use the code jce at checkout get four months on top of whatever you sign up for at no extra charge because you use that code. Surfshark.com.
You'll be protected.

Speaker 2 It's like a giant condom over your internet.

Speaker 1 I'm not, you know, I'm not going to shoot. It's protection.
It's not the greatest thing. It's protection.
It's protection, yes, for you.

Speaker 2 Well, and also, if you fill it up with water, you can drop it out the window. Surf shark.

Speaker 1 You can't.

Speaker 1 All right. I'm expecting twists and turns, but yes, yes, once again, Surf Shark, Jim, one last time, that promo code.

Speaker 2 It would be JCE, as I said before, clearly and distinctly. And we appreciate you patronizing them so that they can protect you.
And just if you walk by their building,

Speaker 1 now's the time, Survivor Series, Cena's last match, Royal Rumble around the corner. Now's the time, Surf Shark.

Speaker 2 Now's the time, and no better time.

Speaker 2 Time is a ticking, time to play B-sides. time ain't on my side time i'll never know

Speaker 2 oh boy i gotta we gotta go back to the news brian for a second i'll i'll hold on to that for a second because we got another piece of news did something happen eric bloom

Speaker 2 no no this is local news now we've done national news this is local news because you know a lot of the People out there who denigrate me on for some of my political statements on the Twitter machine.

Speaker 2 They say, well, he never says anything good

Speaker 2 about you-know-who.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm going to now announce that, ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump has done something good

Speaker 2 for a native Kentuckian, a fellow citizen of my state

Speaker 2 is now

Speaker 2 in better shape, feeling better, more prosperous.

Speaker 2 than he was before because of the current occupant of the White House's intervention. Brian, have you heard about this?

Speaker 1 I have no idea what you're talking about. No.

Speaker 2 Well, there was a guy, a Kentucky guy,

Speaker 2 who maybe we're going to take over instead of Florida man, a Kentucky guy.

Speaker 2 Well, he was arrested for his alleged part in the January 6th.

Speaker 2 festivities when they staged the insurrection against government.

Speaker 2 And when they arrested him, they found six guns and 4,800 rounds of ammunition on him.

Speaker 2 And that wasn't actually fucking kosher because he had prior felonies on his record.

Speaker 2 So it was illegal, even in this gun-crazy country, for him to have six guns and 4,800 rounds of ammunition because he was already a convicted felonies, multiple felon.

Speaker 2 Then they took him to trial for January 6th and they convicted him.

Speaker 2 And he was supposed to be in prison until 2028.

Speaker 2 But Trump pardoned him.

Speaker 2 So I want to thank him

Speaker 2 for aiding a fellow Kentuckian and at the same time making

Speaker 2 several million other of us less safe because of his actions.

Speaker 2 But Brian, have you heard what he's been making news, old Schitler, in a variety of ways, including how he treats the news?

Speaker 2 You've obviously heard about the controversies of the past week of him talking to the press.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw the ABC News one live where uh in the Oval Office with the Saudi Prince.

Speaker 1 Also, as he's also known, future owner of WWE, the Saudi Prince with Donald Trump in the office, he was really insulting to the ABC News reporter.

Speaker 1 And then I found out about the piggy thing after the fact. And that was just the beginning of the week.

Speaker 2 And again, for the folks around the world who don't understand how we're inundated with this fucking pig

Speaker 2 and his bloviations constantly.

Speaker 2 He's cracking because whether it's the Epstein thing or as the Republicans now realize in three years, we're going to be rid of this fucking guy and we got to have a future.

Speaker 2 And he's old and he's stressed and he's just blurting shit out now.

Speaker 2 So not only is he

Speaker 2 accusing, as he always has, any reputable news outlet in the country who tells the truth about him.

Speaker 2 or even just doesn't lie when he wants them to,

Speaker 2 that's fake news.

Speaker 2 And he's starting to get cracks in the number of people who just blindly believe that bullshit like it could actually be possible that everybody's engaged in this massive conspiracy to tell you lies about me because I'm just an asshole.

Speaker 2 But nevertheless, he's resorted to

Speaker 2 actually telling them to their fate, you're a rotten reporter. Your network ought to have its license pulled.
You're fake news. I don't know why I talk to you.
You do a horrible job

Speaker 2 and when one woman was asking him on the plane the other day

Speaker 2 to follow up on a question about the epstein files which has really got him his ass chapped and imagine what a hideous sight that is he actually said to her quiet quiet piggy

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 fat asshole fraud

Speaker 2 is starting to melt down because he realizes he can't keep his plate spinning very much longer. And it's getting tiring because he's fucking old.

Speaker 2 And he's lied and he's grifted and he's fucking distracted and he's name-called and he's whatever his way into a fucking corner.

Speaker 2 And the only people that are willing to still kiss his ass are these lunatics he's surrounded himself with. So nobody's even telling him the truth about how stupid

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 2 false all of his shit looks. And he's calling these people fakes.

Speaker 2 And Brian, as you'll remember,

Speaker 2 since my father was in a newspaper business, he had quite a bit to do at the state level

Speaker 2 with not only freedom of the press, but fairness and accuracy of the press.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 for these legitimate, I know there's some Fox News people and some of the right-wing lunatic piss sites that he credentials now instead of real people that are going to report facts and knowledge.

Speaker 2 But there's real reporters there that are being insulted because they work hard to verify, fact-check, whatever the case, and figure out this shit.

Speaker 2 If it hadn't been for the guys named Woodward and Bernstein,

Speaker 2 we might have had Nixon until 76.

Speaker 2 So the point is,

Speaker 2 you know that every reporter that covers this lying sack of shit

Speaker 2 is sitting there wishing that he would drop over and turn to jelly. They hate the sound of his voice.
They hate the condescending tone.

Speaker 2 And they hate being called names. But they can't say anything because they're supposed to be professional, right?

Speaker 2 Well, I

Speaker 2 think that there's got to be somebody

Speaker 2 in that pool of somewhere in one of these press

Speaker 2 positions

Speaker 2 that says, you know what,

Speaker 2 I just can't take this anymore. I hate all this shit.
And I want to go open a bed and breakfast on a beach somewhere or get a job at a goddamn hot dog stand. People would be nicer to me than this.

Speaker 2 And just looking for a change of career. And Brian, I told you this the other day.

Speaker 2 And you didn't know whether it was legal or not.

Speaker 2 So pending legal approval,

Speaker 2 I think this is if somebody on the reporter's crew,

Speaker 2 even a sound guy,

Speaker 2 anybody

Speaker 2 that's there,

Speaker 2 if they would just in response to this fucking flaming asshole insulting them, the next time he does it, there'll be many.

Speaker 2 Say, you know what?

Speaker 2 Fuck you, you fucking asshole. You're the fucking fraud around here, and I'm done.

Speaker 2 And drop their camera, drop their microphone, drop their goddamn equipment, fucking walk off to goddamn just, I'm fucking done. Fuck you, that's enough.

Speaker 2 They would make worldwide news, they would get a standing ovation from whoever was

Speaker 2 in hearing distance. And I'll give them $50,000 to start their new career.
I'm putting up $50,000 cash to the first reporter

Speaker 2 or reporting crew member who tells this fucking piece of shit. Fuck you.

Speaker 2 You're the fucking fraud here, you fucking asshole.

Speaker 2 He would be the he or she

Speaker 2 would be the hero of tens of hundreds of millions of people around the world who would love to be in that position.

Speaker 2 I got to check with Steven P. New.
Now, I'm not advocating. Well, no, I got to check with Stephen because we got to have some kind of goddamn escrow thing set up or something.

Speaker 2 But also, but I'm not saying physical assault. Don't throw a subway sandwich.
Although that guy, he was exonerated.

Speaker 2 Don't, you know, no, nothing, nothing physical, just a good old-fashioned American dressing down,

Speaker 2 which is still hopefully legal.

Speaker 1 How do you prevent a situation like with Don Owen's brother,

Speaker 1 where you're paying extra for a shoot, but they're actually working together to split the money?

Speaker 2 Because there's no way that that egotistical, lunatic, megalomaniac pig would allow anybody to tell him off to his face for any amount of money. Even the Saudis, they haven't got that much money.

Speaker 2 He's always got to fucking be on top.

Speaker 2 I would like to just say, I would, I would, if somebody could, goddamn, get me a front row seat to something, I'll give you a hundred grand if I was the one who could do it.

Speaker 2 But I, I don't know that people would let me that close to him.

Speaker 1 Everything with him is a one-sided confrontation because the people he beats up on the most are the people who can't say anything back or they'll lose their job.

Speaker 2 Well, and that's why I'm saying 50 grand. Anybody, we've got a wide listenership.

Speaker 2 I'll give you the first 50 grand toward that bed and breakfast on the beach or that hot dog cart in Central Park, whatever else you want to do.

Speaker 1 Some of these people have network jobs, Jim. 50 grand.
You got to make it like.

Speaker 1 Well, you've also got 50 grand.

Speaker 2 You got to be also just fucking fed up.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying, you know, it's, oh, I'll suddenly chime.

Speaker 2 I'm happy right now, but for 50 grand, I'll, but no, this is just a little help along the way, just a little tip, a gratuity, if you will, from the citizens of the United States of America for somebody with some balls to stand up and tell this fucking clown to his face what he fucking is.

Speaker 1 Anyway. What would happen? Would they immediately just stop the press conference?

Speaker 1 One would drag the person. Like, how would it happen if it happened?

Speaker 2 Well, the UK drag somebody out if, say, if they're already walking out and they've done nothing violent.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, you're talking about an administration that doesn't seem to mind these kind of things.

Speaker 2 Well, but that's the thing is by the time, you know, you just said they don't expect it.

Speaker 2 And no AI generated shit now. This has to be in public where people talk about it because you know it'd be reported.
But if somebody, they're fucking 30 feet away with the helicopter

Speaker 2 and he's answering the questions. If somebody says, fuck you, asshole, you're the fucking fake around here.
We hate you. I'm leaving now.

Speaker 2 And turns around, they're walking halfway off the field by the time the meal team six could scramble.

Speaker 1 Who are you to call someone piggy, Tubby?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I ain't your guy, brother, buddy.

Speaker 2 Ain't your brother, fellow.

Speaker 1 You know, we all know you're bald, right?

Speaker 1 Beyond even just fuck you, because that's a big step, because that's fuck.

Speaker 1 Just Just a good insult that, you know, no one has said to him publicly to his face.

Speaker 2 You're bald.

Speaker 1 We know you're bald, like Elaine to George. You're

Speaker 2 bald. Fuck you, you fat bald asshole.
I don't care. Just the sentiment could be in 10 seconds.
Can be relayed.

Speaker 2 Somebody needs to stand up around you.

Speaker 1 Jim's also putting up five grand for anyone who goes up to J.D. Vance and says, hey, do you know where the bathroom is?

Speaker 2 And I know, actually, I tell you what, 10 grand if somebody asked him when the plane is coming in.

Speaker 2 It's the plane, Master De Plane.

Speaker 2 You need to keep up with South Park this season, I'm telling you, too.

Speaker 1 I missed the reference. I saw some of the episodes, but I don't know this reference.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, well, oh boy, they did the nasty the other week on TV.

Speaker 2 Old Schitler and JD did, because JD's working him because because he's working in a cabal with the billionaire Peter Thiel and et cetera, while Satan's having Trump's asshole baby.

Speaker 2 So it's a whole goddamn mess.

Speaker 1 I don't think there's any two creators who have gotten away with more over

Speaker 1 30 years

Speaker 1 than Matt and Trey with South Park. It's amazing.
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 And it was especially timed well that they just got like a

Speaker 2 how many figures is a billion,

Speaker 2 a 17 figure renewal and right when they he decided to

Speaker 2 make his frontal assault on freedom of the press so now every episode this season has portrayed him

Speaker 2 as as literally not even the spawn of satan but like the fucking baby face or the heel in the

Speaker 2 in the relationship with satan who's the baby face

Speaker 1 they also know if they get fired they're they're going to still get paid

Speaker 1 and the contract is is signed. You fire us for one of these things, we're going to get all that money one way or the other, whether we do the show.
There you go.

Speaker 2 Anyhow, speaking of getting money, whether you do shows or not,

Speaker 2 that's pretty much. Well, I guess he's getting money.
Old Tony Khan is. Tony's getting money

Speaker 2 as long as he does shows. Whether anybody watches the shows or not is the

Speaker 2 more questionable

Speaker 2 topic, right?

Speaker 2 But have you seen the list now of

Speaker 2 the potential buyers of warner brothers discovery

Speaker 2 how many people have previously bought all this that encompasses warner brothers discovery now

Speaker 2 that now somebody else is buying them we've got like

Speaker 2 one or two steps away from three people owning every piece of media in the united states brian right

Speaker 1 pretty much it's gotten bad yeah conglomerations owning it not necessarily just people

Speaker 2 Well, but you know what? Entities.

Speaker 2 Because there's always one guy at the top of that conglomeration.

Speaker 2 But there's three potential people or entities that are now going to buy or supposedly interested in buying Warner Brothers Discovery, which includes TBS, TNT. And

Speaker 2 I guess the belts go with the networks, right? If AEW was to leave, would TBS and TNT still be able to have somebody defend their titles?

Speaker 1 I think Tony would just change them to a new title. You know, welcome to

Speaker 1 the true TV champion. I guess that's part of the Warner Brothers Discovery.
Maybe it wouldn't be that if he had.

Speaker 2 Yeah, see, you would see

Speaker 1 the corporate TV champion. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think they're going to keep whoever the champion is when Tony eventually gets kicked off the network. The champion of each of the networks gets to stay and defend against the other on-air personnel,

Speaker 2 you know, on Saturday nights or whatever.

Speaker 2 But anyway, buying or interested in buying Warner Brothers Discovery

Speaker 2 in no particular order, from what I understand, Comcast.

Speaker 2 Comcast is the entity that now, remember when NBC was the goddamn owner of everything?

Speaker 2 Now they're just another.

Speaker 1 Remember when RCA was the owner of everything?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 They're just a cog in the flywheel now.

Speaker 2 But that's NBC and for more for wrestling purposes these days. Peacock, peacock, peacock.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 one might think that,

Speaker 2 Brian, again,

Speaker 2 the relationship may not all be rosy because the WWE finished up

Speaker 2 their commitments early, right, to get off of Peacock and go over to Netflix and that whole fall falder.

Speaker 2 And NBC moved

Speaker 2 Saturday night's main event from network television to peacock.

Speaker 2 So they've got a relationship, but it wasn't as strong as it once was.

Speaker 2 So maybe that might mean that if they ended up with

Speaker 2 Warner Brothers discovery, if they wanted wrestling

Speaker 2 or if they wanted wrestling of a certain level, would that open up Tony Tony to more beneficial treatment from the corporate overlords?

Speaker 1 Well, again, Comcast owns USA Network, which is SmackDown, and is a direct competitor with TBS and TNT.

Speaker 1 A little different because they don't have sports, but

Speaker 1 you know, I don't,

Speaker 1 you know, again, there's a difference between WWE and AEW in the perception from media executives, at least amongst the ones I've talked to and people I know.

Speaker 1 WWE,

Speaker 1 no matter what we we all think of the ebb and flow of the booking or the business or whatever,

Speaker 1 it's seen as a big deal to people who don't follow it the way we do.

Speaker 2 It's the brand to the average person and average executives.

Speaker 1 So again, they still have a WWE deal. If they happen to purchase Warner Brothers Discovery, I don't think it's as simple as just slot AEW into previous things we were doing with WWE.

Speaker 1 They're not going to see them as the same thing.

Speaker 1 And again, you still have the issue of

Speaker 1 WWE would be on USA and they would be on potentially still TBS and TNT

Speaker 1 all under one umbrella. That would be weird.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't think that that will come,

Speaker 2 that they will all be under one umbrella, at least for any length of time. And that's the point of this: is that

Speaker 2 as the media conglomerates narrow down,

Speaker 2 not just AEWs, but any potential future wrestling or et cetera opportunity narrows down, except those under the WWE umbrella.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I'll give the other potential buyers here in a second, then we'll talk about

Speaker 2 I've had experience with dealing with everybody from

Speaker 2 the local executives at WOAY in Oak Hill, West Virginia, to sitting in rooms with meetings with the executives from the network going on.

Speaker 2 And I've lived through the changes in the way that TV and wrestling have gotten along with each other over the past 40 years.

Speaker 2 And your point is valid, is that even if there's

Speaker 2 if there's a less than cordial relationship there's and or the network wants to be

Speaker 2 in the wrestling business, even though they've been shut out of the product they want, there's a a chance for a secondary product.

Speaker 2 That's how the secondary product has usually wormed its way in for the past 30 years.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 with there being other secondary products under the WWE umbrella and with there being so many programs produced by the WWE that can now

Speaker 2 In this post-Vince world with all these wheeler dealers and deal makers, they can be with multiple,

Speaker 2 the TKO empire can be with multiple networks for multiple programs, multiple streaming services.

Speaker 2 That's going to be the goddamn challenge for AEW because it's current now. And for anything else, they would ever want to start up ever again.

Speaker 2 So, the other potential buyers, Paramount,

Speaker 2 which has

Speaker 2 no wrestling, but has got the UFC

Speaker 2 and the bull riding, bullshitting things they do.

Speaker 2 And then Netflix,

Speaker 2 which one of their top 10 shows is raw.

Speaker 2 If Netflix was to buy

Speaker 2 WBD and all of their networks, AEW would not,

Speaker 2 what's the old saying? They shouldn't start reading any continued stories.

Speaker 1 If Netflix were to buy WBD,

Speaker 1 you know, you have to look beyond just AEW.

Speaker 1 You have to think for a streaming company like Netflix, and they were at it first, they changed their entire business model from the DVDs in the mail to streaming.

Speaker 1 It's kind of remarkable how early they were on top of that. And they're the leader.

Speaker 1 But you have to think they would swallow max, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, so much of the AEW pitch right now is, yeah, we're doing great on TV, which they say no matter what, but the max number, we know that Warner Brothers Discovery is so happy with what we're doing on Max, you can now get our pay-per-views at a discount,

Speaker 1 $10 off from Max. If Netflix buys WBD, they may not want there to be a Max because they would want Netflix to be the Max.
So then you would have

Speaker 1 WWE Raw on Mondays

Speaker 1 and AEW would fit into the same system. I don't know.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 You would have

Speaker 2 a new broom sweeps clean philosophy in some cases, but you would have redundancies eliminated.

Speaker 2 They did that when they merged the UFC and WWE front offices. There was news about that for ages, about how they were eliminating redundancies.

Speaker 2 Two marketing departments or two this or two that or two the other thing.

Speaker 2 They don't want two streaming services, but more importantly, they want to be.

Speaker 2 Again,

Speaker 2 in the old days, the territories had a hopefully good relationship with a local station in their market.

Speaker 2 And occasionally it could be something like Memphis, where every station would have taken the program.

Speaker 2 And other times you lost TV because there wasn't another station that would take the program.

Speaker 2 But then in the 80s, when wrestling got hot,

Speaker 2 the local stations in a five-station market, it would be the number four or five-station, Brian, that would

Speaker 2 broadcast all the territory shows or the wrestling blocks or whatever, right? They'd strip it on weekends, whatever the case.

Speaker 2 But it wasn't necessarily the strong major local affiliates, which it always had been before with the local promotion when they went away, boom.

Speaker 2 But then the networks over the last 25 years, as they've gotten involved and gotten in the wrestling business and

Speaker 2 started to own parts or get concessions or pay rights fees, but get crossover appearances.

Speaker 2 Do the Netflix people or even the Comcast people or whoever the people

Speaker 2 Do they want to be able to say, oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 we've also got X star in our movie that's coming out or the TV show where he's hosting the guest. Cena is the host of a game show on TBS.

Speaker 2 None of the wrestlers on their network are big enough stars to host a fucking just a regular game show.

Speaker 2 They have to go. So that's going to play a part.
These networks now that are in this nationally, they want the crossover appeal, the crossover opportunities,

Speaker 2 the fucking stars. They want to deal with the top company, not just for the fucking wrestling show, but for all this other shit and the merchandising and the premium live events.
So

Speaker 2 the fewer there are at the top, the more this is going to squeeze Tony. And

Speaker 2 are these new owners going to pay more money next time?

Speaker 2 for the same deal that they've got now when they have fewer viewers. And

Speaker 2 the way he got this show on

Speaker 2 the network to begin with was at a football party with the guy that was in charge of programming that's already been gone.

Speaker 2 So now he's a red-headed stepchild, twice removed after this move takes place.

Speaker 1 And that's with us not being sure if Warner Brothers Discovery actually owns a piece or not.

Speaker 1 And Tony and AEW have fought hard, I think in the Moxley lawsuit where the stagehand got hurt to prevent the information from getting out about who truly owns the trust or the company behind AEW.

Speaker 1 They've fought to let that information out. It's not as simple as Tony and his sister, it was set up by their dad.
There's something else going on.

Speaker 1 And it may or may not be Warner Brothers Discovery, but a lot of people, a lot of people in

Speaker 1 media who aren't in wrestling think that AEW is owned, at least a small percentage of it, by Warner Brothers Discovery.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that would have to go into the equation one way or the other. And the other thing is,

Speaker 1 USA Network tried to rebrand like the whole network. I don't even remember.
It may have been 20 years back. All of a sudden, they had original programming, and it wasn't just Ronda Sheer and

Speaker 1 the Cartoon Express.

Speaker 2 Characters matter.

Speaker 1 Characters matter.

Speaker 1 Those shows all became priorities, and those shows were, to them, prestigious shows.

Speaker 1 But the strength of Raw and WWE to them were, yeah, it's not going to be as sexy to advertisers, but these numbers, and specifically the male demographic, is going to make us the number one network on cable.

Speaker 1 All these other shows are going to do good. This will put us over the top.
That's what became the value of RAW.

Speaker 1 Again, it's a different playing field now. You could argue that some people,

Speaker 1 based on the deal, still see WWE that way. We're going to get all these eyeballs from men.
WWE is a hot thing. Let's bring it in.

Speaker 1 They're not going to say that about TNA.

Speaker 1 They're not going to say about TNA. They're not going to say that about AEW.
They may say about TNA if WWE keeps helping them, but they're not going to say that about AEW.

Speaker 1 And we've said it before everything was up in the air about Warner Brothers' discovery being sold.

Speaker 1 So much of the strategy for the media deals for WWE, it's about getting as much money as you can from everywhere, but it's also about closing doors that TonyCon won't be able to open.

Speaker 1 And they've got deals, you know, CW is not even on this list, obviously. They've got a deal with CW.
They've got deals all over the place.

Speaker 1 They have international deals, and then they have deals that are just domestic.

Speaker 1 And a large part of that, and the thing that's going to probably hit the hardest in the next few years,

Speaker 1 if it's going to happen, it's going to happen the next few years, will be TonyCon being shut out from any of these established big partners.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 they can say, oh, your group of stations is predominantly Hispanic audience. Here we have this AAA show for you.

Speaker 2 Or you'd like something different besides our mainstream stars. We have this

Speaker 2 NXT thing for you. Oh, but also, you know, we're not a monopoly.
We work with this other thing called TNA and they're just swell.

Speaker 2 And you can have them on your group of state.

Speaker 1 And we'd even bring up Disney. And we didn't even bring up Disney.
They have Disney too with ESPN. So,

Speaker 2 yeah, and they've got multiple programs of their main roster and main umbrella that they can market and etc. So

Speaker 2 it's getting a little crowded for Tony to be doing the same thing that he's always doing, which we're going to talk about that before this show is over with.

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Speaker 2 All righty then, Brian. I guess it's that time of every show where we need to check in with Tony and see while he still has his television empire, what he's doing to try to keep it.

Speaker 2 The weekly edition of AEW Dynamite, and I mean very weekly edition of AEW Dynamite, They were in Boston.

Speaker 2 They didn't have John Cena.

Speaker 2 They had Mercedes Moon, but

Speaker 2 do you think there's anybody in mainstream Boston that realizes that Mercedes Moon is from Boston?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the people who say, whatever happened to Sasha Banks.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she used to be on the wrestling.

Speaker 1 There was a wrestler from Boston, Sasha Banks. Whatever happened to her? Is she still wrestling?

Speaker 2 Well, unfortunately, she is, and they proved it Wednesday night, but we'll get to that. But

Speaker 2 they had the

Speaker 2 opening match, the Hurts Syndicate, has been put in this casino gauntlet battle royal to determine the new national champion,

Speaker 2 etc.

Speaker 2 And so far, really, it's like Hong Kong Fuye and

Speaker 2 Kevin Knight and Ricochet and his stooges, and Lashley and Benjamin.

Speaker 2 And so now they decided, since they've announced six people for this, they'll have not only a match for the number one spot between two of them, but then another match later on.

Speaker 2 So the opening match was Bobby Lashley against Ricochet for the number one spot in the casino gauntlet pay-per-view match to determine who the new national champion is going to be.

Speaker 2 And visually, it was ridiculous. And

Speaker 2 if it was the heel

Speaker 2 that was the,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 fucking giant

Speaker 2 and the babyface was the little resourceful, you know,

Speaker 2 quick fellow, there may be something there. But here, the heel is the incredible shrinking man.

Speaker 2 And they knew they couldn't get any time out of this. And

Speaker 2 I'm sure the Hurts said it could probably register their thoughts. So they had, and

Speaker 2 Ricochet, again, has the heat of, we know you're just a fucking

Speaker 2 dweeb and person, and we just don't like you type of heat from these people now.

Speaker 2 But they had him cut a promo for most of the time, and then they had a three-minute match. I'm not complaining about the fucking match being short, but have you ever seen

Speaker 2 a promo from supposedly a star wrestler on a national TV show that looked more like a kid in 1997 with a VHS camera playing wrestler at his Backyard Wrestling Federation than this Ricochet promo?

Speaker 1 We see plenty of bad promos. This was bad and also bad delivery, his voice, just this was one of the worst promos I've seen, and it went on for way too long.

Speaker 1 Ricochet

Speaker 1 shouldn't be on. He was best used in Lucha Underground as a mute masked man

Speaker 1 because then he was impressive.

Speaker 1 Every time he's out there and he talks, you take him less seriously. It's not like, oh, he's a heel.
I hate him like Dominic. I can't wait for the baby faces to get their hands on him.
It ain't that.

Speaker 1 He's an annoying heel in the wrong kind of annoying way.

Speaker 1 And not a good, and not a good promo. Doesn't know how to do a promo.

Speaker 2 They were literally chanting, shut the fuck up, because they wanted him to.

Speaker 2 And this is not heel heat. This is don't care heat.
And everybody, Lashley's standing there.

Speaker 2 He had to stand there for like four minutes while this guy rambles on.

Speaker 2 Again, Lashley is best

Speaker 2 presented when he can be explosive and et cetera. And finally,

Speaker 2 The biggest pop probably of the whole thing was

Speaker 2 right after Tony Shivati had said, why don't Lashley just hit him in the back of the head? Lashley went over and grabbed him and chokeslammed him over the top rope onto his stooges.

Speaker 2 And that got a pop.

Speaker 2 But then,

Speaker 2 I mean, Lashley hit the post a time so Ricochet could take over.

Speaker 2 And then he made a comeback in seconds and a spear one, two, three.

Speaker 2 At least, as I said, the match was short, but

Speaker 2 I don't know what the fuck this is doing for anybody. Do you?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's done anything to help the Hurt Syndicate, this feud with Ricochet and the Gates of Agony.

Speaker 1 I think you could argue it's helped the Gates of Agony because they're booked less awfully than they were.

Speaker 2 But they perform equally as awfully.

Speaker 1 Ricochet is, I mean, remember what turned them heel in the first place with AEW.

Speaker 1 It's like the more exposure you have to him, the less you want to hear him or see him.

Speaker 2 He's He's like if Eddie Haskell was the star of Leave It to Beaver rather than just a supporting player.

Speaker 1 Right. I guess that's the way to look at it.
I don't think he's anywhere near as talented as Ken Osmond for the record.

Speaker 2 Well, no, but the annoying character for the whole show

Speaker 2 is rather than, you know, yeah, he's just, he's fucking annoying.

Speaker 1 I just saw the episode where Eddie's dad comes to visit Ward Cleaver because Beaver put a voodoo curse on Eddie with a voodoo doll because they snuck into the wrong movie theater to see like some movie about like voodoo.

Speaker 1 And Beaver somehow now has black magic abilities, according to Eddie's dad.

Speaker 2 That's almost as good as the one where

Speaker 2 when Lumpy Rutherford put the fucking fireworks in the jalopi that Wally and

Speaker 2 Eddie Haskell were riding in, they hooked his back axle up to a tree so that he couldn't drive out of his driveway he jerked his axle off and they had to put it back on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the best part about that, too, is his dad comes right out and starts yelling at him. Like, I knew you were an idiot.
Go back inside.

Speaker 2 So ladies and gentlemen, now we'll leave the senior community and come back to what happened on Dynamite.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 these are stars of PBS, PBS, of TBS's past.

Speaker 1 Yes. The new Leave It the Beaver.

Speaker 2 And people still remember them. You're going to remember this in fucking 15 minutes, probably.

Speaker 2 So they've been doing this thing with the Hardley boys, the Kookamunga kids, the chairman of the Lollipop Guild, where Don Fallus is trying to get them to join the Fallus family, making veiled threats and et cetera.

Speaker 2 But he's trying to show them what he can do for them because they're broke.

Speaker 2 They've lost all their money in this believable real life storylines. And

Speaker 2 so he gives them a big intro on the screen and they walk out into the arena and there's loud music and silent fans when they come out to the ring.

Speaker 2 These people are even just done with them. They'll pop on moves, but they don't care to see these fucking two.

Speaker 2 And then Don came out with Josh Alexander, who's become the third wheel in this thing.

Speaker 2 He looks like the delinquent in high school that got left back a couple of three times, right? Standing with these fucking two.

Speaker 2 And their opponents at a six-man tag team match are Scorpio Sky

Speaker 2 and Dante and Darius Martin with Christopher Daniels and a girl.

Speaker 1 Layla Gray.

Speaker 2 And Layla Gray. There you go.

Speaker 2 So they could have saved money and shot this on the trampoline in their backyard and not even had to come and do this. But

Speaker 2 after about 10 minutes, the the three heels got one of the babyfaces in the ring and just triple teamed him over and over while that fucking piece of shit, Rick Knox, just stood there dumbfounded, mouth agape,

Speaker 2 and watched him. And after they hit him with several things, then Alexander got an ankle lock on him and made him tap out.
And the referee allowed it

Speaker 2 with all of the other three heels in the ring keeping the babyfaces out. So

Speaker 2 it's not cheating if the referee sees every bit of it.

Speaker 2 And these babyfaces, all, whether they're job guy babyfaces or top guy babyfaces,

Speaker 2 they all are just beaten flat

Speaker 2 with no fucking

Speaker 2 anyway. Comments on the match before we do the afterbirth.
Anything, Brian?

Speaker 1 No, a typical Young Bucks match. Rick Knox is the referee, as in most Young Bucks matches.

Speaker 1 They told a great story about how Top Flight first got into AEW because of the Young Bucks.

Speaker 1 Top Flight haven't won a match since then, I don't think.

Speaker 1 It was just ridiculous seeing this babyface team who you knew were about to lose come out, and they had like multiple managers and they didn't even have anything to do. They're babyface managers.

Speaker 2 Dante is the one with the

Speaker 2 he's the bouncy fellow over on that side of the street. I think he's the big jumper.

Speaker 2 And Darius, his brother, has gotten to be a little butterball, hadn't he?

Speaker 2 I was like, did he always used to? I know I always say these guys need to get bigger when they're as big around as a fucking drink straw, but I don't mean fat when I say big.

Speaker 2 But nevertheless, so they do this match, boom, and then the babyfaces slink out and defeat. And we've seen Scorpio Sky for another year, I guess.

Speaker 2 And then Rocky Romero and fat ass Davis and a miscellaneous mass Mexican come to the ring.

Speaker 2 And that's where Don asks the

Speaker 2 buckaroos there to officially join the family, demands they do it. And of course, they

Speaker 2 milk reluctantly. Oh my God, they were like Betty Davis and baby Jane tearing the scenery up here.
No, they're just standing there and moped faced.

Speaker 2 And then Don reminded them, you know, what can happen to

Speaker 2 people around here if they don't have a family? You know what happened to Kenny?

Speaker 2 Kenny?

Speaker 2 And wouldn't you know, Brian, who won the pony? Music played and it was Kenny's. As soon as he mentioned his family, he'd been out there for 10 fucking minutes.
Mentioned the name, boom.

Speaker 2 And Kenny comes out with a chair and hits a few of the lower class heels on the floor. And then got in a really fake-looking fight with Alexander in the ring.

Speaker 2 The Bucks are standing there, like, oh, we don't know what to do. And then they ask him to stop.
But as he turns around and looks at them, like, well, are we going to talk this over?

Speaker 2 Alexander clipped his leg and got the ankle lock on him, but the bucks still don't do anything.

Speaker 2 And then Don tells

Speaker 2 Alexander, let him go.

Speaker 2 And then Don tells the Hardley boys there, give him your shitty little double knee lift.

Speaker 2 I mean, was there other fucking baby faces out there at one point that somebody just got the shit kicked out? I don't know what the fuck is going on.

Speaker 2 But nevertheless.

Speaker 2 As they milk that and lacklusterly grab his hands to try to give him the double knee lift, then the Baltimore music plays, and here comes Jack Off and Dino,

Speaker 2 who made a save. I'm not making this up with a snow shovel and a vacuum cleaner.
Not even a canister, but a bag.

Speaker 2 And the heels bailed, and everybody argued while the fans sang Baltimor.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 And Kenny,

Speaker 2 you got to really do a lot to piss him off, don't you?

Speaker 2 To really end a friendship, you've got to go to extreme lengths. How many people

Speaker 2 have we seen over the last year and a half or two years or whatever? Says he's had his injuries, health issues, time off.

Speaker 2 He comes back.

Speaker 2 Somebody does something heinous to him with his bowels or his gut or whatever

Speaker 2 and hospitalizes him. And he's he's gone, and he comes back.

Speaker 2 And when he comes back, then wasn't it Kyle gave him a double brain buster off the goddamn deal, through the deal to the goddamn deal, and they carried him off.

Speaker 2 And then he comes back. And

Speaker 2 the Bucks originally,

Speaker 2 didn't they hit him with a baseball bat

Speaker 2 or something?

Speaker 2 He never comes back and just comes out and says, I have gotten over getting the shit kicked out of me by so-and-so, and I have come back to get even.

Speaker 2 He just always stands out and looks at the same people that sent him to the hospital last time.

Speaker 2 And so why is he asking the Bucs if they want to be friends again when they try to disembowel him?

Speaker 2 Or why is he goddamn

Speaker 2 involving himself in this when he ought to be wanting to kill Don?

Speaker 2 for Don's people

Speaker 2 hospitalizing him and nearly ending his career, one of the many times it's happened. What is going on here?

Speaker 1 You know, this goes back to one of the problems from the beginning of AEW when the Young Bucks and Omega were certainly a lot hotter with their fans than they are today.

Speaker 1 They were hot because those fans like those kind of matches. Whenever they tried to do an angle or a storyline, whether it was on their own YouTube show

Speaker 1 or everything they've done on Dynamite,

Speaker 1 it's amateur,

Speaker 1 childish acting, the thought process that clearly goes behind all these things.

Speaker 1 And again, it's not just this, the Bucks for now weeks standing there looking confused while Don Callis says you're going to be part of my family.

Speaker 1 This has been going on forever, and they just can't pull it off. They don't make it seem interesting.

Speaker 1 But this was the Adam Pages drunk and hanging out with the Dark Order shit. This is the Young Bucks couldn't be friends with him because of that.

Speaker 1 It's all of this drama and bad acting that specifically has been applied to the Young Bucks who were supposed to be the big thing with AEW.

Speaker 1 And they've never just had like a great feud. You could say the FTR matches, but again, you're talking matches.
The FTR-Young Bucks feud is non-existent. There's no great feud.

Speaker 1 If you like the matches, they're great matches.

Speaker 1 But the Young Bucks can't pull off anything but their style of matches. And every time they try to do any kind of acting or any kind of segment, they stand out for just how amateur it feels

Speaker 2 to me they have the personality of mud that falls out of the tread in your tires it's just it just lays there

Speaker 2 nevertheless then we moved on

Speaker 2 what's good for the goose is good for the tit i guess or the oh it's it's tit for gander Or whatever. They had the match with Bobby Lashley against Ricochet.

Speaker 2 So now two more of the guys in the casino gauntlet battle royal for the national title.

Speaker 2 Did they even say, is this for a spot in the thing or did they just have this single match, Shelton Benjamin against Hong Kong Fuye?

Speaker 1 I guess it's just for a spot because I think Lashley won the first spot, right?

Speaker 2 Well, no, they've already got a spot.

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying Lashley Anderson interviewed. Lashley's the first one that will be entering the casino gauntlet match.

Speaker 2 Yes, but was this Shelton and Fuyi match? Was this for another spot, or did they just have a match because they're in the fucking gauntlet match?

Speaker 1 It's one of them will be in the match, the one who wins, and the one who doesn't won't be, I think, right?

Speaker 2 I thought they were both already in the match.

Speaker 1 Oh, are they? Then why'd they even do that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Because it's because Tony, all he does is have in his mind, all this shit makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 Because we're neither having the

Speaker 2 chemical makeup of Tony's brain or we're not on the cocktail of medications to control aforesaid. So we don't,

Speaker 2 Eddie's hit the wall. It's the same thing.
It's multiple man matches. It's fucking, and you can, since we listened to Tony's interview on Ariel Hilbuni's show,

Speaker 2 he takes full credit for it. And with that in mind, I watch this show.
I believe him. I think Tony's writing this thing top to bottom.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of the guys are trying to do it.

Speaker 2 Some of the guys are trying to do it as palatably as they can and still consider themselves professionals,

Speaker 2 i.e., Bobby Lashley and here Shelton Benjamin.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of the guys are just saying, fuck it, we'll just have fun anyway.

Speaker 2 And he's paying us so much.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I said that Lashley and Ricochet was visually ridiculous. This was the same size discrepancy because Hong Kong Fuye, old Spitball, is even smaller than Ricochet,

Speaker 2 even though Shelton's a little smaller than Lashley.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 Ricochet's work, at least,

Speaker 2 when he's trying not to be silly, his shit looks good. This fucking small child

Speaker 2 looks like a kid playing karate.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 again,

Speaker 2 maybe something that saved Shelton from as much embarrassment as this could have been to have to be in a ring with this guy for this long, is that both of them are baby faces. So

Speaker 2 it's not like Shelton should just eat him up and spit him out like a heel. He'd more be like a big bully if he did that.

Speaker 2 But the fans would chant, we hurt people. It's clear who they

Speaker 2 believe in, wanted to see.

Speaker 2 And Shelton mostly manhandled him, and his shit looked good. But

Speaker 2 there was too much on the floor too early. But

Speaker 2 at some point,

Speaker 2 Shelton had to start letting Bailey do his setup, choreographed horseshit. And Bailey has no aura, no timing, no personality.

Speaker 2 As I said, he looks silly and works silly.

Speaker 2 And when Shelton gave him a comeback, all he did was the kung fu bullshit.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 at one point, Shelton gotch lifted the little turd and they went over the top rope to the floor. That was a heck of a bump.
But then they started doing

Speaker 2 the Bailey's fake bullshit on the floor and they lost momentum with him trying to set up the swingy dingy thing.

Speaker 2 And then Shelton barely beat the count

Speaker 2 because they had to go out of their way to try to

Speaker 2 make this guy

Speaker 2 look competitive.

Speaker 2 There's no goddamn way on God's green earth that Shelton Benjamin and MVP would have sat down and said, we have to do this much to make this guy competitive unless they were instructed to.

Speaker 2 Because it's just insulting to the fucking program.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 MVP was calling him on. Did you hear him on commentary when Bailey would try to get an arm bar and he doesn't know how or couldn't work it?

Speaker 2 And MVP would say, well, he doesn't have the fulcrum right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let me just say, I don't know if he should have said everything he said, but I enjoyed the fuck out of it. MVP tore this apart on commentary every time Speedball was on offense.

Speaker 2 Because you had to.

Speaker 2 Or it makes him look bad to normal people that might be watching the program.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 finally,

Speaker 2 they did

Speaker 2 i don't know i watched this back a number of times

Speaker 2 but as i said bailey had done more stuff to shelton and had gone back and forth and finally shelton's charging toward the corner bayley it looked to me like shelton was gonna jump and

Speaker 2 fly into the corner and hit the buckle, but Bailey kind of moved, but wasn't all the way out of the way. I don't know from the camera angle, couldn't tell.

Speaker 2 So Shelton kind of held up and then went into the buckle and kind of turned around, like, well, what the fuck? And

Speaker 2 Bailey, was he supposed to small package? If it was a schoolboy, he pulled him into a schoolboy.

Speaker 2 Whatever Shelton kicked out, they came up and Shelton leveled him with a super kick.

Speaker 2 He turned a complete flip bump for it, Bailey did.

Speaker 2 And it got a huge pop because it looked great.

Speaker 2 And Shelton covers him. And the referee counts one and two.

Speaker 2 And Bailey doesn't kick out. He spoke a couple of words.

Speaker 2 You could see his lips moving.

Speaker 2 But the only movement he made was to just put his hand on Benjamin's back. There was no kick out.

Speaker 2 And the referee held up and didn't count three.

Speaker 2 And the fans started booing and loudly they were pissed they were like what the

Speaker 2 and mvp jumped up and he jumped into the ring and yelled at the ref i think he jumped into the ring to say tell him to do it again

Speaker 2 because he actually got in the ring to yell at the reverie and it got right back out where he was on color

Speaker 2 and They got up and Shelton gave Bailey a German suplex and a knee in a corner and in a super kick.

Speaker 2 One, two, three. So obviously

Speaker 2 the super kick was the finish.

Speaker 2 But why the referee didn't count? I have no idea why Bailey would have spoken words. Was he just saying, thank you for not killing me?

Speaker 1 Why don't we use this as the finish?

Speaker 2 It just, it doesn't make any sense that nobody moved and the referee held up and a finish was a super kick.

Speaker 1 We just saw this on SmackDown. What was it? Who was with Nia Jax and the referee stopped counting? I can't remember that.
Good lord. Was it Jade or was it Tiffany? I don't remember.

Speaker 2 I don't want to say either.

Speaker 1 But we just saw this happen on SmackDown

Speaker 1 where the referee, there was a clear pin, the referee just stopped. And then they just get right up and go right to a finish.

Speaker 2 But that was the thing. You could obviously tell what they went into

Speaker 2 from

Speaker 2 the aborted count, German suplex, knee in the corner, and super kick again was just ad lib because

Speaker 2 with what they had done before, if he'd have kicked out, they would have been anywhere near it. It just, I don't know what the fuck.

Speaker 2 But this, again,

Speaker 2 it comes down to

Speaker 2 instead of preparing the referees properly

Speaker 2 and having an environment, maybe they think they'll be yelled at. Instead of guys going over the finish and this will be exactly it,

Speaker 2 they ought to instruct the referees: if the shoulders are down, count it.

Speaker 2 Work with us to some extent. Here's what the finish is supposed to be.

Speaker 2 But superseding that, the booker.

Speaker 2 the head of talent, whatever should supersede that with

Speaker 2 don't bury yourself and fucking shit on the business on live television. If some bitch doesn't kick out, you got to do what you got to do.
You're the referee.

Speaker 2 Now, again, there's always

Speaker 2 multiple circumstances.

Speaker 2 If you know the guy is knocked out and you know it's the finish and he's supposed to kick out, but he's laying there looking like he's on Neptune,

Speaker 2 then

Speaker 2 you need to communicate before you start to count with the guy that's covered him. He's fucked up or something.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's all kinds of shit going on.

Speaker 2 But if both guys are still conscious and everything's down, just fucking and nobody's trying to move, count it.

Speaker 1 Only Shelton got to beat him twice.

Speaker 2 That is

Speaker 2 a good way of looking at the silver lining, isn't it?

Speaker 1 MVP was killing him on commentary. It was so entertaining because it was all factual.
It wasn't like he was being a healing, just lying or anything.

Speaker 1 Everything he said was just like point by point, breaking down how everything he did looked weak.

Speaker 1 It was really remarkable.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 horrible technique. He said, if for the right price, I may be able to work with young Bailey a little bit on his grappling.
He said, I'll take an all-American wrestler over a

Speaker 2 black belt and taekwondo every day,

Speaker 2 which everybody should, because

Speaker 2 that would be a thing you would do.

Speaker 2 But I mean,

Speaker 2 it's got to be a rib to these guys that know what could be going on versus what they're having to look at.

Speaker 1 You know, again, it's one thing. It's one thing to see a Mike Bailey against the Young Bucks or Orange Cassidy or Darby, Jack Perry, someone who's not

Speaker 1 built like a traditional wrestler, not built like a traditional wrestler at any other time in history.

Speaker 1 When you see it, whatever Shelton, it's just ridiculous. I mean, there's no way

Speaker 1 you could even, in your head, even if you think Mike Bailey's the baddest motherfucker on the planet, you can't think it's reasonable that he should beat Shelton or even have that much of a competitive match, but that's just the way it is.

Speaker 2 Now, somebody's going to go find an old videotape of Shelton Benjamin having a barn burner of a fucking competitive knockdown drag out match with Rey Mysterio and say, well, look, see?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not the same thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Put Rey Mysterio of that time period or even today next to this

Speaker 2 fucking.

Speaker 2 tippy-toeing son of a bitch. He took Twinkletoes' gimmick, too.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I don't know what this finish was supposed to be, be, Brian, but I guarantee you one thing.

Speaker 2 I will promise you one thing.

Speaker 2 They are not going to want a picture of this finish

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Speaker 2 Wouldn't you say that's the case?

Speaker 1 I agree with your statement, yes.

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Speaker 2 a mineral that you want to remember, Brian, well, then you want to remember it forever and you want to put it in a place of prominence there on the shifter robe or over on the nightstand

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Speaker 2 So, should we go back to the program?

Speaker 1 Yes, let's get away from bathroom talk and back to well, dynamite.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know. We're really making a lateral move at best, aren't we here?

Speaker 2 At the top of the nine o'clock hour, it was Dick the Boozer and his henchman Claudio Castignoli against Roderick Strong and our little puppy pockets.

Speaker 2 So, needless to add, it started with a four-way on the floor, by the way.

Speaker 2 So, after about 15 minutes,

Speaker 2 every single one of the Boer horsemen interfered, and Moxley choked out Pockets. At least now you're using him to do jobs, but still, it's offensive.
Just the

Speaker 2 even if the wind is blowing the other way of the stench,

Speaker 2 you still just

Speaker 2 not palatable. So, then they get more heat, and Kyle O'Reilly comes in and gets an ankle lock on Moxley.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 while he gets the ankle lock on Moxley, Garcia and Useless are behind him, fake kicking him,

Speaker 2 which he's not selling. He's not supposed to sell.
He's laughing it off, but

Speaker 2 the kicks don't look like he should sell them anyway.

Speaker 2 And three adult male referees, as big as the two heels that are on him,

Speaker 2 Instead of just pulling him off or pulling them off, they're just kneeling there going, Please stop, everyone.

Speaker 2 And it just looked so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 And then the other babyfaces came in and did some fake shit to the heels, and then everybody stopped so that O'Reilly could challenge Moxley for the pay-per-view with no holds barred.

Speaker 2 And you know what that means, Brian? No disqualification.

Speaker 2 Did I miss any pertinent points? Because that is just, it's the same fucking thing every week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, somehow the Death Riders still remain the worst thing on this show.

Speaker 1 And every single week we get to see a match with one of them and then every one of them run in.

Speaker 2 Well, this was no exception.

Speaker 2 So were you

Speaker 2 just captivated, Brian, then by the next match, which was for the Women's World Tag Team Championship tournament,

Speaker 2 where Tony Storm and Mina Mellons took on the

Speaker 2 very formidable team of Alex Mountbatten Windsor and Rehaul.

Speaker 2 They flew Windsor, I get in from England for this, where she's, I assume, been tending to her intended better half, Mr. Ostrich.
But,

Speaker 2 and Riho, where does she go when she goes?

Speaker 2 And why does she come back when she comes?

Speaker 2 She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes.

Speaker 1 From Castle Kenny, I believe.

Speaker 2 So, Storm and Mina now have a dance routine that they do on the way to the ring. It looked a little like

Speaker 2 Elaine Bennis was their choreographer.

Speaker 2 And they gave this thing counting entrances 15 minutes of national TV time, which is why

Speaker 2 I don't know if I would have a lot of confidence in their future rights, fees, and deals with new owners at WBD because that's the way they decide to use their fucking TV time.

Speaker 2 So then the next match,

Speaker 2 Shapoopy.

Speaker 2 Shapoopy Brian wrestled the world champion, the hangnail Adam Page with Samoa Joe on color.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 I know that there's a grudge here, but Paige, the babyface, jumps the heel,

Speaker 2 Shapoopy, in the aisleway from behind,

Speaker 2 and then beats him up all over the ringside area.

Speaker 2 throws the guy in the ring.

Speaker 2 And then as Paige gets up on the apron, the heel just gets up and runs over and just boots him in the face right off to the floor. And the referee rings the bell to start the match.

Speaker 2 And it's again, an example of how these are the stupidest, most weak,

Speaker 2 impotent, feckless babyfaces in recorded wrestling history, aren't they?

Speaker 2 They're always doing something stupid.

Speaker 2 They almost never win anything.

Speaker 2 And even though Paige is the champion, I mean, obviously, he's got all his drawbacks, but they just do stupid shit that you wouldn't do if you weren't stupid.

Speaker 2 And then the heel beat Paige up on the floor forever without being counted out. They had to be easily a couple minutes there out there, referees.
Hey,

Speaker 2 and they did a trick with a chair.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 this is the end of regulation dynamite. They ran past 10 o'clock by one minute.

Speaker 2 But fortunately, this week we get a three-hour block because it was two hours of dynamite, one hour of collision. So they just rolled right into

Speaker 2 collision. And one minute in, Paige hit a buckshot, Lariat on him, beat him one, two, three.

Speaker 2 And then cut a promo on Samoa Joe sitting there at color

Speaker 2 that went on.

Speaker 2 And in Paige's stagey, fake, growly voice way,

Speaker 2 he told Joe, I hospitalized Hobbes, he electrocuted him, and now I've he said he did something to shapupi here, but he got bleeped. I don't know what the fuck he said.

Speaker 2 And he bored everybody. And Joe just stared at him and said, I'll see you in the cage where you'll be all alone at full gear.

Speaker 2 Boy, is this a world title match of epic proportions or just

Speaker 2 more of the same old shit that we've seen?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not really caring about the match one way or the other. I hated Samoa Joe on commentary here.

Speaker 1 He comes across like a guy playing a heel on commentary in a way that he doesn't when he does his promos. I just wasn't believing him.
It was almost like he was trying too hard.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It was a weird feeling I had.

Speaker 2 That is a thing. At some points, people do try too hard when they realize, oh, God, this is shit.

Speaker 2 But also, part of Joe's presentation is you got to be able to see.

Speaker 2 And it has the facials and etc. But

Speaker 2 no,

Speaker 2 I don't know why they're so fixated on Paige otherwise than to not have put the belt on him would be admitting

Speaker 2 that everybody that they originally banked on to be their pillars

Speaker 2 has been a complete and total fucking disaster, except for MJF, who thankfully is never on a program because he's in the movie business.

Speaker 2 So they got to put this thing on page so he can bore the fuck out of us on a weekly basis.

Speaker 2 Anyhow, continuing on briefly.

Speaker 2 The Women's World Tag Team Championship Tournament match number two was again.

Speaker 2 Megan Brain and Marina Schaefer against Anna Jay and Ty Mellow Yellow.

Speaker 2 And that was another 10 or 15 minutes. What

Speaker 2 happened on that, Brian? Let you tell the people rather than me drone on about it.

Speaker 1 Megan Bain and Marina won.

Speaker 2 Well, there you go.

Speaker 2 So, next

Speaker 2 mascara Dorada versus Obladi, Oblada, he's so dull. Oh,

Speaker 2 did you watch any of this? I actually had enough

Speaker 2 morbid curiosity. I watched a lot of this match.
Did you see any of it?

Speaker 1 No, not really.

Speaker 2 If they wanted to clear the building, they could have blown off the tornado siren or called in a bomb threat. They didn't have to do this to these poor people.

Speaker 2 There was some with

Speaker 2 Okada was trying to, not very hard, but

Speaker 2 he was making the half-hearted attempt to cooperate with some of Mascara Dorada's gymnastics, but had the same

Speaker 2 lackadaisical body language and unhurried physical effort and completely blank, puzzled face

Speaker 2 that he always does. And

Speaker 2 it was just, it was like, again, underwater choreographed gymnastics.

Speaker 2 And thankfully, most of this match was Okada not doing anything and wasting time, but

Speaker 2 it was the worst match of the night, including the girls, and it wouldn't end.

Speaker 2 They were lazy, phony, sloppy.

Speaker 2 And finally, both of them stood on the top rope,

Speaker 2 holding each other lightly by the arm, standing straight up on the top rope, both of them, motionless

Speaker 2 with blank looks. Oh, well, a blank look on Okada's face and the masked guy.

Speaker 2 And apparently,

Speaker 2 it was supposed to be Dorado was going to hurricane Rana him off the top rope

Speaker 2 because Dorado jumped up and did the legs over the shoulders.

Speaker 2 But when they went off, it looked like instead of any kind of flip, Okada just jumped off

Speaker 2 and was going down feet first, which was taking

Speaker 2 Dorada down headfirst.

Speaker 2 And at the last minute, Dorado rolled over to where he landed on like his face, chest, and stomach. And

Speaker 2 Okada landed on his feet and just kind of fell rolled over the top of him.

Speaker 2 And the referee checked Dorada.

Speaker 2 And as I said, he had tucked at the last minute, but otherwise, that would have been

Speaker 2 high rate of speed from about 10 feet on his fucking head. And

Speaker 2 I have no idea what Okada was supposed to take

Speaker 2 because he wasn't going to take anything. He jumped down to his feet from the top rope.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 it looks like you could have made the case that Dorado was paralyzed or dead from this bump the way it looked.

Speaker 2 And instead of covering him,

Speaker 2 Okada picked him up and Dorado small packaged him and got a two count

Speaker 2 and then jumped back up and Okada hit a drop kick of suplex in that shitty little clothesline.

Speaker 2 One, two, three. He

Speaker 2 a dead body revived to get the last fucking two moves of the goddamn match in.

Speaker 2 What is the matter with these people?

Speaker 1 that was not rhetorical i didn't watch the match so i can't tell you

Speaker 1 i wish we had quarter hours because i'm pretty sure mascara durana versus okada in the 10 o'clock hour drove away a lot of people hey well

Speaker 2 i'll just tell you what the match that drove me away was

Speaker 2 Was the next one was the last one. And yes, I missed the quarter hours too because this had to be the Mariana Trench of ratings drops.

Speaker 2 For the undisputed Ring of Honor Women's World Television Championship,

Speaker 2 Mercedes Moon defended the Ring of Honor Interim

Speaker 2 Women's World TV Championship against the Ring of Honor Women's World TV Champion, Red Velvet.

Speaker 2 And they went past 11 o'clock into an overrun.

Speaker 2 And I'm assuming that Mercedes is up to 14 belts now. So now they've,

Speaker 2 at least there was a precedent 20 years ago or whatever for fucking 11 or what. Now it's just gone into comedy.

Speaker 2 And they had, did they have a belt made for the interim Ring of Honor World Television Women's Champion?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because she won the belt when she beat Mina Shirakawa, a few pay-per-views.

Speaker 2 But remember, they had one made specifically for that.

Speaker 1 Well, Tony likes belts, and Tony likes spending money.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he has belts already made that you don't even know about for titles that he hasn't even named yet.

Speaker 2 Well, that was

Speaker 2 that over there for the AEW Dynamite collision mashup, because, of course,

Speaker 2 Saturday night, they got their big whoop-dee-ding, so they didn't want to kill the collision ratings, which have suffered badly enough as it was.

Speaker 1 And they had one of those preview shows after a collision.

Speaker 2 Oh, Christ.

Speaker 2 That's at

Speaker 2 some point in a couple of years.

Speaker 2 I believe the new owners of whatever it, whoever they turn out to be,

Speaker 2 are going to be examining some of these deals where they have a company tying up three plus hours of a night of their their prime time

Speaker 2 real estate to deliver an average of 400 something thousand fucking people.

Speaker 2 If that sometimes.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I wonder if collision, could collision, and we'll find out at least some type of total measurement, even if we don't get quarters.

Speaker 2 But collision has been down in the 200,000s on Saturday night in their regular time period.

Speaker 2 Will they be moved to Wednesday Wednesday at 10 o'clock and do a better number than they do in their normal slot?

Speaker 1 Would they drop collision if they thought as a network they can get their hands on Braun Strowman and his cooking show or his menu show, whatever it is?

Speaker 1 Because that beats all these shows.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they'd make that exact trade, but yeah.

Speaker 2 Braun Strowman going to restaurants and ordering and not even consuming everything on the menu does an equivalent or better number now than

Speaker 2 many of the AEW broadcast extravaganzas.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Well, that was dynamite in Boston.
They are in the Northeast with the big pay-per-view coming up in Newark.

Speaker 1 And we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 You know, the thing is, Brian,

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There's never any boom.

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It's going to stay there. Everything's always at risk, except

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Speaker 2 With all of that stuff, you would think that this thing has to be the size of a basketball and have more shit sticking out of it than a Swiss Army watch, but oh no, au contraire, mon frère,

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Speaker 2 Do you know some of these modern pickpocketers, they don't need to get their whole hand in your pocket. They give you two digits, two fingers, and boom, they've got your wallet.

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It's easy. You load your stuff in there.
You don't have all the crap. I love having a minimalist wallet.
This is the one for you, Ridge.

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Speaker 2 And boy, when you hold on to the cash strap with a couple of fingers, this could be a giant brass knuckle, also. Where you punch somebody again?

Speaker 1 No, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 They're not going to get your money.

Speaker 2 Well, Brian, we've been talking about who's going to own what network platform and who's in charge here and what's going on. But it also comes down to

Speaker 2 who's watching this shit.

Speaker 2 And at the same time, as all this other chaos is going on, we're several weeks into the new

Speaker 2 rating system, the

Speaker 2 big

Speaker 2 data plus panel era, where the wrestling shows, and we've talked about this, have taken a bigger hit than any other programming on television.

Speaker 2 And our friend Thurston Howell III over at WrestleNomics has sent out

Speaker 2 an email with some information and has compiled some numbers. And apparently, he's got the,

Speaker 2 I don't know how these things are done,

Speaker 2 but he's got the information on what the shows have been rated under the new system, but what they would have been

Speaker 2 with just the old system. And he's got some comments from the

Speaker 2 big high muckety muck in charge of this whole fiasco. Can we just talk about this for a minute?

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's talk about it. A lot of it's confusing.
And, you know, a lot of listeners are still getting in touch with us and saying, where are are the ratings? We love the ratings segments.

Speaker 1 Not only did the ratings change, but immediately there was a lockdown on information about quarter hours, for instance.

Speaker 1 They sent what seemed to be indicated to be a threatening sort of email from the legal department to Brandon Thurston. And we're going to talk about his reporting here.

Speaker 1 Let's plug it, WrestleNomics on Patreon. And there's a lot here about

Speaker 1 what's happening now and how it would look, I guess, under the old system. And a lot here, as I said.

Speaker 2 Well, and that's the thing is that they've clamped down on some of the information getting out in those quarter hours. They were fun.
They were fun.

Speaker 2 But at the same time, we've said

Speaker 2 that everybody's agreeing that the wrestling programs have gotten hit a little bit harder than, in some cases, a lot harder than the other programming with this new method.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 there's

Speaker 2 comparison here.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 2 he has compared

Speaker 2 A Dynamite, for example,

Speaker 2 with both methodologies.

Speaker 2 And starting after their last preemption, when they got put on a Tuesday night,

Speaker 2 we'll go with the next several shows.

Speaker 2 Whereas

Speaker 2 the next week, the 15th of October,

Speaker 2 the new information had them at 534.

Speaker 2 The old information had them at 531.

Speaker 2 So it was a little bit better, just almost the same, but a little better.

Speaker 2 But then the next week, the new method was 477, the old method 527.

Speaker 2 Following week, the new method, 459.

Speaker 2 The old method, 544. Now, again,

Speaker 2 527, 544 compared to what they were doing even in September, they were up to 638 with the old method. They're still down, but this is down worse.
The next comparison was

Speaker 2 543 with the old method to 497 with the new method. And then

Speaker 2 blood and guts.

Speaker 2 Actually, the old method would have given them 608, and the new method gave them 600. So it was almost the same thing.

Speaker 1 That's fascinating

Speaker 1 that they would end up like that,

Speaker 2 but regardless of the methodology,

Speaker 2 they're still in that 450 to 550 pocket, and their big event got 600. But with SmackDown,

Speaker 2 and part of this, he makes note that we'll go SmackDown and Collision just to get a complete picture. But

Speaker 2 the collision differences are the smallest because it's the smallest rated show with the smallest number of,

Speaker 2 you know, smallest sampling. So those differences are going to be smaller.
With SmackDown, which has pretty healthy numbers, it's really

Speaker 2 marked because it's a much bigger number, even though it may be the same percentage.

Speaker 2 With just going for the last four or five shows, on October 17,

Speaker 2 the old method would have been 1.332 million.

Speaker 2 The new method was 1.18.

Speaker 2 October 24th, the old method would have been 1.325 million.

Speaker 2 The new is 1.147.

Speaker 2 The Halloween show then dipped.

Speaker 2 The old method would have been 1.097 million. The new method was 933,000.

Speaker 2 And then they're back up the next week. It should have been 1.304.
It was 1.141.

Speaker 2 So they have lost consistently

Speaker 2 200,000 viewers off of whatever the old number would have been versus what the, and that's been since the start of the thing, all the way back in September. 200,000, 200,000,

Speaker 2 almost 200,000, 200,000.

Speaker 1 But it's important to note, this is an unexplained discrepancy across the board for wrestling, wrestling, but it's a little different for different shows. That doesn't mean it's wrong.

Speaker 1 You know, and especially with AEW, when you see the ebb and flow of their shows where

Speaker 1 the numbers at times meet, it's not like everything's just going in one direction. SmackDown, it's literally just, you know, you made a second little line right under the main one the entire way.

Speaker 1 It makes you wonder

Speaker 1 if this is slightly more accurate. And again, I'm not saying that's the total viewers for SmackDown, but maybe that is for first-run airing on TV, not counting anything else, but

Speaker 1 big panel or big data plus panel is supposed to count outside sources too, I would think.

Speaker 2 And there is some element of, well, you don't get a lot of wrestling in the sports bars and et cetera.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 just with Collision, to finish that up, their differences

Speaker 1 are

Speaker 2 smaller because even under the old method,

Speaker 2 they're doing 261, 273, 298, 256,

Speaker 2 1,317, and then 235. And

Speaker 2 the new method is 20,000 lower,

Speaker 2 20,000 lower, 30,000 lower. It's almost negligible, really, the difference.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 again,

Speaker 2 the CW network has even complained because NXT

Speaker 2 is still its leading show,

Speaker 2 and it still is under

Speaker 2 the new methodology, but the gap isn't as wide anymore. Even with NXT, they've been 9% lower on average in total viewership, but 27%

Speaker 2 lower in 1849 and 29% in 25 to 54.

Speaker 2 And so now

Speaker 2 the CW network itself is

Speaker 2 that we've expressed to Nielsen our deep frustration,

Speaker 2 the broadcast network stated, and they're complaining to Nielsen and trying to get him, hey, can we tighten this shit up somehow? But who knows what's right, as you said.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and again, I wish we kind of had

Speaker 1 these sort of breakdowns for the lead-in shows, too.

Speaker 1 You know, is there a similar or what is the ebb and flow for the other shows right around these shows?

Speaker 1 Because that would tell you a lot, too.

Speaker 1 CW,

Speaker 1 they've complained, they're questioning the credibility of the methodology. The quote here, and again, WrestleNomics has all this on their Patreon.

Speaker 1 The sudden and substantial discrepancy in WWE NXT viewership reported by big data relative to long-established viewing patterns is inexplicable and lacks credibility.

Speaker 1 That's a network saying that the rating system lacks credibility. Think about that.

Speaker 2 Well, because when you have been telling somebody for a long time something is like this,

Speaker 2 and then suddenly you tell them, you know what, it's completely changed because we're figuring it out a different way now and it's like that.

Speaker 2 Then you were wrong at some fucking point in this juncture and they are,

Speaker 2 I would think, justified in trying to find out how and why.

Speaker 1 Here's more from the quote: Further, a comparison with data from other measurement products, including others from Nielsen itself, exposes a fundamentally flawed methodology in big data.

Speaker 1 We are disappointed by Nielsen's lack of cooperation, transparency, and accountability with its network partners as we work to resolve this issue.

Speaker 1 You know, and we're talking about wrestling, we're focusing on this, and we're hearing about this complaint.

Speaker 1 We don't know who else is complaining about this

Speaker 1 because it all comes back to this is what advertisers are going to go off.

Speaker 1 We don't know who else is complaining about this and how many complaints they're getting, but it sounds like they're being standoffish, at least with CW.

Speaker 2 Well, and apparently, there was

Speaker 2 Media Rating Council

Speaker 2 is the one who accredits companies like Nielsen that, you know, give the ratings and impact television.

Speaker 2 And there was a report that the MRC was weighing whether to strip Nielsen's big data plus panel accreditation

Speaker 2 or give them more time to correct several technical and

Speaker 2 methodological, methodological,

Speaker 2 the way they do things.

Speaker 2 thing that they could correct.

Speaker 2 But now the MRC CEO has set a statement that they are not going to

Speaker 2 strip accreditation. Their process is annual and they conduct rigorous annual audits of the service to reaffirm the status of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 And a bunch of corporates speak about, well, it could be come see, it could be cum sa.

Speaker 2 But this is

Speaker 2 maybe it'll settle down, whatever.

Speaker 2 But at the same point,

Speaker 2 over the next year, especially AEW's numbers need to be better, not worse,

Speaker 2 with all the other things going on, or we could be, you know, just in a one-horse race.

Speaker 2 Even if the second horse isn't seed biscuit, but an old swayback nag, at least it's two horses.

Speaker 2 The starter's gun may shoot one of our horses, and it's named Tony.

Speaker 1 And if WBD is being shopped, you know that one of the buyers will see the streaming numbers, even if we don't get them.

Speaker 2 And that's another thing:

Speaker 2 the point that I made the other day on one of the broadcasts we did: for Tony to say he doesn't know the numbers,

Speaker 2 how is he supposed to negotiate for rights fees with the streaming people

Speaker 2 if the streaming people are not

Speaker 2 compelled,

Speaker 2 obliged to tell him him how many people are streaming his fucking program.

Speaker 2 So I don't know what kind of fucking deal is going on there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going to say, I wish you had a star, like a Cody Rhodes or a CM Punk.

Speaker 1 You have a vehicle with no star right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's again the crossovers and the cross-promotions and the, oh, this other show on our network needs a

Speaker 2 fucking actor that has done horror movies. Oh, CM Punk or

Speaker 2 Rhea Ripley, the new queen of the screen, pretty soon, whatever.

Speaker 2 They're not looking for a Willow Nightingale.

Speaker 1 Shadoni sign Braun Strowman.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 then you have a package you can go to a network with.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, but then what match do you make?

Speaker 2 Besides the fact that I think the WWE probably got that fucking show done to begin with, or else they wouldn't be so prominently featured. But what match would you have?

Speaker 2 The entire roster versus Braun Strowman?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 can Braun Strowman fall down anymore without a part of his body falling off?

Speaker 1 I would just have him continue the eating onto dynamite.

Speaker 1 And then you could see more.

Speaker 2 He would eat the rest of the roster.

Speaker 1 You could see more of this kind of eating later on on, formerly known as Braun Strowman, eats his way through America.

Speaker 2 No, that's the thing. This week, Braun Strowman will eat Mike Spitball Bailey.

Speaker 1 See, one last thing I'll say at least about the ratings here. And I think I've said this before, but you know, what we're looking at, the other thing we have to take into the account is

Speaker 1 this is not wrestling in a boom period. This is not wrestling where anything is really hot or uniquely taking off right now.

Speaker 1 There's not a lot of buzz beyond the everyday buzz from wrestling fans. fans.

Speaker 1 It's a cool period right now. So these numbers,

Speaker 1 you know, I would like to see how would SmackDown be if things were hot?

Speaker 1 We don't know.

Speaker 1 And the same thing with Dynamite. I mean, it's been forever since it was hot.
I guess you could say Blood and Guts. I mean, that is part of the story.
Blood and Guts was their biggest show in a while.

Speaker 1 And both methodologies

Speaker 1 were eight, they were 8,000 away. It was approximately the same number.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, but nothing's in a boom period. We don't know.
Again, these we're looking at the numbers right now for wrestling while it's chilly.

Speaker 2 It's chilly. Well, and here's another thing.

Speaker 1 It's not ice cold, but it's not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. It just reminds me of Nikolai Volkov when he tried to be a stand-up comic.

Speaker 2 I'm so cool, I feel a chilly.

Speaker 2 Nobody's talking about the WWE, just it's not necessarily a self-inflicted wound, but they hampered themselves over the past year.

Speaker 2 They have changed how the fans and where the fans watched every single one of their fucking programs and disrupted all of those habits. And they're still doing these numbers.

Speaker 2 The shows have made moves to where you can't, in some cases, compare the new numbers with the old numbers because it's a different universe or platform, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 you can't tell me that at least temporarily and maybe even permanently, some people haven't

Speaker 2 stopped watching a show they used to watch because they don't get the thing now, but they might have started watching another one, but it's been a disruption. Whereas

Speaker 2 AEW,

Speaker 2 for better or worse, has been on the same stations at approximately the same days and times for the past five years, and their numbers continue to trickle downward.

Speaker 2 And it's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 Again, it's very interesting that SmackDown consistently,

Speaker 1 you know, there's a chunk, there's a big difference between the one method and the other.

Speaker 1 And with Dynamite, it crisscrosses at times. I mean,

Speaker 1 that's why I'm not just dismissing.

Speaker 1 Some people, I mean, it sounds like CW is just dismissing this entire method.

Speaker 1 But if it's not affecting, see, I wish I knew more about how it's affecting everything else, and I just don't.

Speaker 2 And well, the only thing we've gotten is, well,

Speaker 2 most regular sports are doing the same or a little bit better, and most other programs aren't affected to any degree. But we need to see

Speaker 2 how that is.

Speaker 1 How many shows that skew to the younger demographics?

Speaker 1 See, those are the shows I'd want to know how those were hit specifically.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 I don't expect it to hurt the NFL. I don't.

Speaker 2 At the same time, those skewed people, the younger demographic before this new methodology, AEW was not doing as good in as it once was.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 So this is not.

Speaker 2 Everybody thinks, well, this is young people's wrestling. Well,

Speaker 2 not as much anymore.

Speaker 2 We'll keep up on all this. We'll stay on top of everything.

Speaker 2 Brian, I have a question to ask you. You might know the answer to.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Did I ask you earlier on this program to tell me what the fuck was going on in the Arcadian Vanguard network world this week? You did. Or did I forget?

Speaker 1 I think you may have forgotten.

Speaker 2 Can you do that now?

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