Episode 613: Holiday Merriment

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Last, everybody.

Speaker 32 Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again.

Speaker 32 Hanukkah is over. It's now Christmas time.
Merry Christmas to all the listeners, and what a wonderful holiday season we want everyone to have.

Speaker 33 So, Hanukkah, when does Hanukkah,

Speaker 33 I think we've asked, I've asked this before, but is it the same dates, or it differs in the dates? That's right.

Speaker 32 And it ends Sunday. It ends Sunday as we are recording.

Speaker 33 So it would end end Sunday,

Speaker 33 not the Sunday before Christmas, but the Sunday before the or the Sunday before Christmas. That's right.

Speaker 32 And then a few days later is Christmas Eve and then Christmas. And then you're just waiting for New Year's.

Speaker 33 So you get like 15 fucking holidays, right?

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Is there, there's the 12 days of Christmas, but there's 12 days in Hanukkah, but we... We get eight days in Hanukkah.

Speaker 32 They're edge Christmas.

Speaker 33 I thought there was 12. I thought.

Speaker 32 I'm sticking with their offering. That's more gifts.

Speaker 33 Well, I thought there was 12 days and Hanukkah was the takeoff onto 12 days of Christmas, but I never got Christmas when I was a kid, 12 days in a row. It was just the once.

Speaker 33 And then my mom said, all right, now

Speaker 33 back to real life.

Speaker 32 Did you ever do? I mean, it's a big thing now. I mean, as I'm saying this, I don't know if it was as big a thing then, like an Advent calendar.

Speaker 33 Oh, now help me. We're like, what?

Speaker 32 We're starting like December 1st, the days leading up to Christmas. There's like 25 days of, you know, there's like a special calendar.

Speaker 32 Now they do all these things where, like, on every day, you open it and you get a gift, you pull out a little gift.

Speaker 33 Where the fuck are you finding this shit?

Speaker 32 It's all over the place. The kids are, they all love their Advent calendars.
My son got a little Lego City Advent calendar.

Speaker 32 My daughter got a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a.

Speaker 33 When I was a small child, I was lucky to know what day of the week it was. Are you guys? They didn't give us that shit written down where we could keep track of time.

Speaker 33 That way they could keep us in school longer.

Speaker 33 But no, besides,

Speaker 33 you knew when the last day of school was.

Speaker 33 You could determine that. They'd give you a number, whether it was December 19 or whatever the fuck it was, depending on the way that the days were laid out.
And of course, the

Speaker 33 Christmas season. You knew that.
And you knew Christmas Eve and you knew Christmas.

Speaker 33 And you were too young to give a fuck about New Year's at that point.

Speaker 33 So after Christmas Day, that was the big one.

Speaker 33 But no, I didn't get a series of daily presents leading up to the goddamn holiday

Speaker 32 and you didn't have elf on the shelf where your mom would have to wake up and hide the elf every morning so you'd have to go find the elf leading up to christmas

Speaker 33 are you if i'd have been searching around in places in the house for that was hidden she'd have whipped me

Speaker 33 She'd be all you wanted for your fucking presents early, huh? Come here, I'll give you the fly swatter. Get the no, what? No.

Speaker 33 That we did. There was none of these.
You put the presents in the box, and you wrapped the box into paper, and you put the box in the wrapped into paper under the tree, and you sat and mooned at it.

Speaker 33 And sometimes you could pick it up and shake it

Speaker 33 and try to figure out what was inside of it. But then you got to unwrap everything on a Christmas mawin.

Speaker 33 I've never heard of daily presents or calendar countdowns or whatever the fuck you were

Speaker 33 discussing.

Speaker 32 And we still have no idea if the garbage pickup is going to happen Christmas Eve morning. That's the big question.

Speaker 33 Oh, good Lord. All right.
Now, hold on.

Speaker 32 No, we can move on with the show. I just wanted to say that to you.

Speaker 33 No, no, no, no. This was off the air.
This was a discussion that you and I had off the air. And we

Speaker 32 were for the record with our lawyers. Yes.

Speaker 33 We ought to call with the attorneys.

Speaker 33 And by the way, not that we were being the defensive part, we're the offensive part. We're very offensive in this legal matter.

Speaker 32 That's right.

Speaker 33 But the point is, is you were trying to ask me, you said, hey,

Speaker 33 would your garbage pickup happen on

Speaker 33 Christmas Eve morning, like December 24th or sometime

Speaker 33 in that day? And I said, well, that's not my.

Speaker 33 regular garbage day, but usually if it, if the garbage day falls on a holiday, then they will pick pick it up the following day, and that's not a holiday.

Speaker 33 And then you blurted out

Speaker 33 that you asked me

Speaker 33 what

Speaker 33 you should tip your garbage collecting people.

Speaker 32 No, I asked you what you did tip. I didn't ask you if you should, because we do.
I asked you what you do, and you lost your mind.

Speaker 33 And I looked at you through the

Speaker 33 connection here like you had steaming turds hanging out of your mouth. Because how do you have connection or any contact with your garbage people is the question i ask to know

Speaker 33 who the you're even giving money to why would you give them money

Speaker 33 you've got private garbage people of this defined city in jersey then new jersey there that you live in

Speaker 33 does not furnish your garbage collection with with with your tax dollars. What the fuck are they paying for up there?

Speaker 33 You've got some kind of private garbage collection service, and they have already informed you that they're open for tipping.

Speaker 32 Well, you put it in such a nefarious way. Let me just take a couple steps back.

Speaker 32 We have people who do the garbage pickup. We have people who do the recycling pickup on different days, the same company.

Speaker 32 I don't think it's uncommon for a lot of areas here in northwest New Jersey to have private waste management specialists who handle things.

Speaker 32 And they leave an envelope, usually wishing you,

Speaker 32 usually a couple of weeks before the holiday, a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and they make sure they write their name there.

Speaker 32 And then you return the favor by leaving them something with the garbage, a little card, and you give them a tip for the year of work. And that they only broke one recycling bin in the year.

Speaker 32 That's progress.

Speaker 33 The year of work, they fucking come by and they dump a bucket into a truck at the end of your driveway once a fucking week. Apparently, sometimes not even that.
How is that a year of work?

Speaker 32 First of all, they've already let me know they expect it. So what do you think is going to happen if we're the only family that doesn't tip them?

Speaker 32 Secondly, I was actually looking on the local community Facebook group where A lot of people post interesting things about the community, then other people just want to post shit anonymously.

Speaker 32 It's pretty funny. And apparently there are rules because someone said they tried to hand the garbage man a gift and he said, we're not allowed to accept gifts from people.

Speaker 32 So that's why you attach it to your garbage can.

Speaker 32 Because they can take that. They can take anything with the garbage, but you're not allowed to actually tip them person to person.

Speaker 33 Okay, wait.

Speaker 33 So I see instead of like they get their contributions from the human fund instead of from people or whatever, you've got to put literally put the money with the garbage so that they can get both

Speaker 33 and i told you that that for the

Speaker 33 ever that i've ever lived here and in most other places that i've i've never tipped or interacted with my garbage people because they drive a big truck down the road They stop in front of my garbage buckets.

Speaker 33 They have a thingy that comes out and picks the bucket up and dumps it in the truck and they set it down. And they go on down the road and do the same thing everywhere else.

Speaker 33 I would not be able to pick any of these people out of a police lineup and they have never tried to contact me.

Speaker 33 One time,

Speaker 33 like this was 15 years ago,

Speaker 33 I'm sitting out there in the driveway doing something. It's summertime.

Speaker 33 And the guy comes down the road and he picks the bucket up. And when he dumped the bucket, he lost the bucket went in the truck too.
He took my goddamn garbage bucket

Speaker 33 and he's pulling down the goddamn and i'm like hey

Speaker 33 you got my garbage bucket

Speaker 33 and he's gone i jumped in the truck and i pulled down the driveway and i took off after him and i've got by the time it i got my keys it was he was a little bit ahead of me

Speaker 33 but i caught him around the curve by the dairy farm and i pulled over in front and i waved i said hey you got my bucket He's like, I know, I can't get it now. They'll have to bring you a new one.

Speaker 33 Because I guess he couldn't get up in the truck and get the bucket.

Speaker 32 When you said I jumped in the truck, I had the funniest thought ever. I thought you jumped in the garbage truck.
No, not the garbage truck.

Speaker 33 I jumped in my

Speaker 33 no, he was already going to, I jumped in my truck, my vehicle, Black Beauty, because he was already going down the road and caught up with him.

Speaker 33 But they sometimes, apparently, they can make that mistake. But otherwise, I've never had any interaction with my garbage people.

Speaker 33 And the city takes care of these type of things out of the taxes that all us citizens pay.

Speaker 32 Do you tip your mailman?

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 32 I tip my mailman. Now, there's a limit on how much you're allowed to tip the postman, so you have to be very careful or they won't be able to accept it.

Speaker 32 But you got to tip the people who are regularly doing things for you on a regular basis. If they're coming to your house on a regular basis, they get a tip.

Speaker 33 He drives up to my mailbox and sticks shit in or he drives up the driveway and drops the stuff off.

Speaker 32 My guy comes to the front door and fights with Swami.

Speaker 33 Well, see, now that's a whole different story. But

Speaker 33 my UPS guy, the regular guy, that's so nice to me and puts all of my supplies where I want them in the garage and everything.

Speaker 33 I just gave him an extra $25 or whatever it was last time that he was.

Speaker 33 And see, also, some of these times, these people just come and go and you don't see them.

Speaker 33 But if those are the things that I can't sit on the porch and wait

Speaker 33 for Godot

Speaker 32 if you get a card that says, it's been an honor picking up your trash for the last year. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Signed Vito and Javier.

Speaker 32 They want a tip and everyone else is going to do it. I can't be the only one not doing it.
By the way, they deserve it. They're lifting my, if it's the same people all year.

Speaker 33 Do they physically lift? They don't have a truck that just comes and picks a bucket up and dumps it in. They're physically picking this shit up and everything.

Speaker 32 Both garbage and recycling appear to be the same system, which is one driver and then one guy hanging off the back and kind of doing all the grunt work.

Speaker 32 So it is unfair. They're splitting the money.
It should really.

Speaker 33 Wait a minute. What the fuck? What the fuck? What kind of goddamn happy days world are you living in up there back in the 50s? When I was a kid,

Speaker 33 they had a guy hanging off the back. I haven't seen a guy hang off the back of a garbage truck in 40 years.

Speaker 33 What is going on up there?

Speaker 32 40 years? I don't even know. That's a, I mean, it's a regular thing.
And by the way, that's good for the local economy. It's another person getting a job.

Speaker 33 It's good for the local economy to have a guy hanging off the back of a garbage truck. When he loses his grip and gets run over, he'll turn into goddamn fertilizer and help make the yard green.

Speaker 32 And all that tip money will be really appreciated, wouldn't it?

Speaker 33 Where do you,

Speaker 33 I'm, I'm putting this out to the cult of Cornet.

Speaker 33 Where and where do you not see anymore in this day and age,

Speaker 33 just residentially picking up garbage, a guy hanging off the back of a fucking truck?

Speaker 33 It's all mechanized and computerized and sanitized. And then the thing just comes out the lift and it takes the bucket and it puts it in and boom.

Speaker 33 And they drive on down and you never even see the shit. They don't even have to smell it anymore.

Speaker 32 And do you tip your garbage man? Do you tip your mailman? Because I think most people, at least the mailman, I think most people do. The garbage man may be up in the air.

Speaker 32 But again, we don't have the municipality.

Speaker 33 The garbage man may be up in here. It sounds like he's hanging off the back of the truck.

Speaker 32 He's in the air. You see, technically, he is in the air.

Speaker 32 All right. You haven't seen anyone hanging off the back of a garbage truck in 40 years.
That's a ridiculous comment. It's all over the place.

Speaker 32 It's all over the place.

Speaker 33 When's the last time you've been to Metropolitan Louisville, Kentucky?

Speaker 32 The last time I did, I got a police escort out of town. So I don't know.
Well, all right.

Speaker 33 See there, then they were pulling the fucking garbage.

Speaker 33 i remember that night but nevertheless yeah that's not a lot and and you you thought for sure she was 22 years old hey come on now it had nothing to do with a girl it was about you bloody heels beating up tommy rich and causing the fans to turn on us just a riot just a small riot but nevertheless i am telling you

Speaker 33 that I have not only lived here, but I've lived even in Connecticut.

Speaker 33 I can't recall seeing a guy hanging off the back. And if there's any place where a guy would hang off the back of a truck,

Speaker 33 it's Connecticut. But all right.

Speaker 32 You know, though, in general, New Jersey is the one state still, although there are some people trying to get rid of this, and I hope they never do,

Speaker 32 that you don't pump your own gas. You stay in your car.
Every gas station has to have attendance to pump your gas.

Speaker 33 Oh, I know.

Speaker 32 Which is the best thing ever. The greatest thing ever.

Speaker 33 Oh, that pissed me off 25 years ago. And it would piss me off even further today because

Speaker 33 you got one Gomer Powell motherfucker in any kind of peak situation.

Speaker 33 You've got to pull up there, waste the time you could already have been fucking filled up, ready to go on getting the guy's attention or having him service you with

Speaker 33 your pipes and your tubes and whatever, your tank.

Speaker 33 And it takes twice as fucking long. And then you have to interact with people.

Speaker 33 I'm going to get the fucking gas, get the, I'm on a goddamn schedule. I'm doing the Le Mans.

Speaker 32 I'm in the wrestling business i can't just hang out and talk to goober about checking my oil you're doing how about that i i don't know i don't have to talk again all i have to do is pull up hand him my card and say fill it up regular well that's like and then he hands it back to me i don't have to get out of my car into the cold air which you always complain about and then i just drive off and go about my merry day that's exactly how it should be No, that's America.

Speaker 32 That's the American dream. Not getting out of your car to have to put gas in it.

Speaker 33 All right. Ain't that America? You already John Cougar last in camp.

Speaker 33 You're assuming in this commercial that you're shooting for this oil company that that fucking attendant with his spotless outfit and his bright smile is standing there at that pump

Speaker 33 instead of inside the fucking hut taking a shit

Speaker 33 or trying to talk on the goddamn phone back when it was had a wire connected to the wall. No, he's talking to his girlfriend or something and it is not coming out to give you the D.

Speaker 33 I didn't didn't even know about it

Speaker 33 uh the the one of the first times i just pulled up and took it and turned the pump on began pumping my gas and was going to go in and pay as normal if a guy showed up about halfway through

Speaker 33 it's like

Speaker 33 i got it buddy oh i'm supposed to do this i said oh well carry on

Speaker 32 again another one of the great features of the garden state new jersey yeah along with people hanging off the back of a truck

Speaker 32 jersey working men hard working men who appreciate their christmas tips i guess that's the point

Speaker 33 this is your show for a

Speaker 33 yeah well thank you very much i just again for someone as as

Speaker 33 financially penurious as you are to be just handing out money to these

Speaker 32 what you have to take what are that

Speaker 33 if some guy just knocks on your door someday and says hey i'm the garbage guy go ahead and give give me my tip. Would you know who the fuck he was? Does they have to show some kind of credentials?

Speaker 33 Do they have a garbage collectors of America card?

Speaker 32 Again, that's not the protocol. And I already know.
How do you know? How do you know that you can't have face-to-face interaction?

Speaker 33 Here's what's happened. I know what's happened now, and we'll move on.
This isn't your garbage people at all. This is a scam.
They go around behind the garbage people and they put that card on there.

Speaker 33 And they wait and see if you're a sucker enough to stick some cash on top of a garbage can. And then before the pickup that day, they fucking come around and goddamn snatch the money off.

Speaker 33 The garbage people don't even know anything about it.

Speaker 33 You have been scammed and perpetrated against, hoodwinked, bamboozled, shistered even.

Speaker 33 That's what's happened.

Speaker 32 I think Vito and Javier will know all about it.

Speaker 33 Well, now we go to the great state of West Virginia real quickly. I do.
Thank you, Chad Keeney,

Speaker 33 the nation's number one blind vendor.

Speaker 33 You know, I've talked about Chad before. He sent me all kinds of clocks that talk and all kinds of various gifts.
And he stocks all the vending machines.

Speaker 33 They're on I-79 in West Virginia, up and down the various places in all the rest stops.

Speaker 33 And so I probably say Chad Keeney has probably been in more rest stops on the side of the interstate in West Virginia than probably any other human being. So he's got that going for him.

Speaker 33 Guess what he sent me for Christmas?

Speaker 32 Which one of his

Speaker 32 things that he rips off blind people with? Did he send you? Let's think.

Speaker 33 No, he doesn't. He is blind.
He doesn't rip off blind people.

Speaker 33 He's a blind person ripping off people that can see.

Speaker 33 That's why we root for him.

Speaker 32 What did he send you? Did he send you a piece of wood? A piece of wood, but write, hey, I got you this book.

Speaker 33 No, he, I've given you a clue with the man's

Speaker 33 the man's career here, the man's line of employment. He sent me a box of all of his merch diet, honey buns, and bear claws and three musketeers and awesome chips and all the vending machines.

Speaker 33 I haven't had an iced honey bun

Speaker 33 in years, and that used to be

Speaker 33 basically from like 10 o'clock at night until 7 o'clock in the morning, all you were going to get at a hotel in the way of anything to eat was chips crackers and honey buns in the vending machine so i haven't had one in ages what's honey buns like a cinnamon roll

Speaker 33 well it's a honey bun what is a honey bun i iced honey you said iced honey bun well you put icing on it rather than just the regular honey bun so it is like a cinnamon roll it's it's it's well it's kind of it's a yeah it's it's i in that flavor that genre i guess you would say but it's not a cinnamon roll it's a honey bun

Speaker 33 And then you put icing on it.

Speaker 32 The fuck's the matter with you? Just like a cinnamon roll. But yeah.

Speaker 32 You, you, you, does it contain garbage?

Speaker 33 You tip garbage men and do not know. No, I don't think it does actually, but you tip garbage men and you don't know what a honey bun is, differentiate it from a cinnamon roll.
Is it like coffee cake?

Speaker 33 I'm starting to lose my patience with you.

Speaker 32 I guess I'm going to have to tip you.

Speaker 33 And there, yeah, that's another. Well, we'll talk about that off air.
And also, Chad has started a campaign. He has sent me some of the pictures.

Speaker 33 It's pictures of my travels with heroes and friends, is what he's calling it.

Speaker 33 He's taking my book and he's having his picture taken, holding it in front of all the various rest stops along the highways and byways of the state of West Virginia.

Speaker 33 And he might throw caution to the winds, go all the way into fucking Pennsylvania someday.

Speaker 32 Well, good luck.

Speaker 32 Yeah, good. Happy holidays, Chad, and good luck on your travels.
And

Speaker 32 good luck in West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

Speaker 33 I've got this.

Speaker 33 Hold on. He's, I've got these pictures copied out.
Fayetteville, West Virginia, Bridgeport, West Virginia. Oh, north and southbound.

Speaker 33 So he went both. Chad goes both ways across the and Orlando, West Virginia.
And there you go. Already my book is

Speaker 33 packing on the mileage. Alrighty.

Speaker 33 Real quick, before we have any more frivolity, a couple of folks have written in, and I've found, again, some emails from the last few weeks, folks. So it's been busy.

Speaker 33 I'm sorry if I haven't caught up. But Matt from the UK sent us both an email to the Corney Drive-Thru account.

Speaker 33 He's had a rotten year. He lost his mother in the last year, then his dog, his,

Speaker 33 as of 10 days or so ago, his aunt was really sick and, you know, might not have made it to this point.

Speaker 33 And, you know, he's, again, he's got two beautiful girls, daughters that,

Speaker 33 and a wife he's, you know, trying to keep it together for, but sometimes he listens to us and our inane antics.

Speaker 33 to feel a little better. And we wanted to, everybody to send him some kind of happy holiday wishes.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc. I don't, is he in the UK? Do they say happy? He's from the UK.

Speaker 33 Happy Christmas.

Speaker 32 That's right. Happy Christmas to you and your family and your garbage men, whether or not they're part of the local.

Speaker 33 Why do they say happy Christmas over there and Merry Christmas here?

Speaker 33 Has anybody ever figured that out?

Speaker 32 No.

Speaker 33 Well, I thought you'd check into it.

Speaker 32 All right. Anyway, and also

Speaker 33 a fellow named Guy,

Speaker 33 as opposed to a guy named Fellow. No, his name is Guy.

Speaker 33 Sent us an email. And Brian, you know this one.

Speaker 33 Guy lives in Indiana,

Speaker 33 got a beautiful daughter that's a teacher, a couple of teenagers. One's a freshman in college.

Speaker 33 And the other one, you know, is graduating or about to graduate probably high school.

Speaker 33 And unfortunately, I guess just a little over a year ago, his other son, he lost him in

Speaker 33 a horrible incident. Let's just put it without going into all the details, because I don't know if he wants to be public that he wrote us, but

Speaker 33 it was just, the whole family has been torn up and trying to deal with that for the last year or so. And again,

Speaker 33 he's got a guilty pleasure. He listens to us at night, Brian, instead of getting on one of those fancy damn new phone sex lines or whatever, so that he can cheer up a little bit.
Well, you know,

Speaker 33 you're there, you're under the cover, the blankets over your head.

Speaker 32 But you got to pay, right? There's a fee attached to that. So it takes away some of the joy, I would imagine.

Speaker 33 Well, $1.49 a minute, but hey, what is this? What's $1.49 a minute?

Speaker 32 How much would a $1900 number be now if it was on TV? $5 and

Speaker 33 probably, probably $900.

Speaker 33 That would be the meaning of the 900 number. It's good.
$900.

Speaker 33 We'll tell you whatever you want to hear. But anyway, guy, we hope that we keep telling you whatever you want to hear.

Speaker 33 And we're so, both of us, Brian and I, sorry to hear about what has happened and hope you guys get fixed soon as much as possible.

Speaker 32 Yeah, we're thinking of you. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
And it's an honor to know we can be there for you when you need us. And hopefully, there'll be more stupidity in the future.

Speaker 32 The show will get better. I promise.

Speaker 33 Well, see, but that's almost impossible to go the other way at this point, and it so it's got to, it's got to get better. Things could only get better.
Who did that? Things could only get better.

Speaker 33 Some new wave pop.

Speaker 33 Help me.

Speaker 32 What was the song you were just telling me that you hate more than anything else? And I had never heard her from 82.

Speaker 33 Oh, I love a rainy night.

Speaker 33 What?

Speaker 33 Okay, you're the music expert. I'm just telling you in the fall of 1982, Eddie Rabbit, I love a rainy night.
I love a rainy night. I love to hear the music and lightning.
It's lights up the sky.

Speaker 33 All this bullshit. This fucking country was taking over pop radio and everything.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 that's all that they played on any radio station anywhere, especially in Tennessee.

Speaker 33 And I was telling you before we went on the air that that coincided the first three months that I was in the business on the road full-time, like 10 weeks out of that on Friday, I was in Tupelo, Mississippi.

Speaker 33 And nine out of those 10 weeks, it rained.

Speaker 33 And I was driving through a goddamn rain, thunderstorm, lightning in the middle of goddamn nowhere, Mississippi, trying to get to Tupelo on time for the show. And I'm a rainy night.

Speaker 33 I'm like, fuck you. God damn it.
I hate the fucking rain.

Speaker 33 Why'd you remind me of that?

Speaker 32 It's raining here today,

Speaker 32 but it's day. It's a rainy day.

Speaker 33 Okay, now there, then the cow sills can come in and it's a little bit more fucking pleasing.

Speaker 33 Nevertheless, look them up, kids. The cow sills.
You'd be surprised. What I was trying to say to you.

Speaker 32 You'll be surprised. What does that mean?

Speaker 33 You'd be surprised. Well, they were very groundbreaking and nobody talks about the cow sills anymore.

Speaker 33 when they talk about the partridge families of the world and the things like that that's what they and the partridge family were based on them yeah and and the the rain the park and other things who wrote it i saw it standing in the rain who wrote it ah

Speaker 33 he can make me happy i don't know artie kornfeld wrote it artie

Speaker 32 was, I think, the youngest vice president of rock and roll at one point. He was one of the four partners in Woodstock, and he is quite a trip on social media nowadays.

Speaker 32 I already wrote that song.

Speaker 33 I can't tell you how much of a letdown that reveal was. I was thinking you're going, oh, it was Neil Diamond right before he wrote the fucking monkeys hit or

Speaker 33 some person that the average son of a bitch might recognize.

Speaker 32 I gave you a good trivia. It was a good trivia.

Speaker 33 Your friend Marty Kornfeld.

Speaker 32 I don't know if I'd say he's my friend. I met him a few times, but I don't know the guy.
Well,

Speaker 33 I'm going to talk to Marty and see what he thinks about you before we go any further.

Speaker 32 I knew Michael Lang.

Speaker 33 Hold on, let me get him on the phone.

Speaker 32 Michael Lang was a very nice guy.

Speaker 33 I've got an update, Brian, on what we were talking about when Steve Regal passed away.

Speaker 33 Well, I can't say when he passed away a few weeks ago. When we found out that Mr.
Electricity, Steve Regal, the Indianapolis Steve Regal, not Lord William Regal again.

Speaker 33 But we found out that he had passed away over the summertime sometime, but we just found out about it a couple weeks ago. We talked about his career,

Speaker 33 and we mentioned that when

Speaker 33 he and Jimmy Garvin, as a team, were the ones who dethroned the Road Warriors for the AWA

Speaker 33 World Tag Team Championship when the Road Warriors were leaving to

Speaker 33 come mostly full-time for Crockett.

Speaker 33 And then they both, within

Speaker 33 approximately the same timeframe, Regal and Garvin both left the AWA, and there was a

Speaker 33 what a lot of people have called a phantom title switch to,

Speaker 33 oh, goddammit, Scott Hall and Kurt Henning. Right.

Speaker 33 But maybe the match didn't happen.

Speaker 33 Maybe the match did happen.

Speaker 33 Have you seen that? Were you included on this email from Max?

Speaker 32 I believe I was. Hello, Tamale.
He's a frequent guest of the match. Yes, Max Tamale.

Speaker 33 No, now, hold on a second. He says an occasional guest of John McAdams.
Don't

Speaker 33 label him frequent.

Speaker 32 He's done a great job. He knows his stuff.
I'll say that.

Speaker 33 Okay, but

Speaker 33 don't say he's frequently on. He'll occasionally drop in, but don't accuse him of being frequently on.

Speaker 32 For heaven's sake. I apologize profusely.

Speaker 33 So he says, oh, Max Tamale, Kurt Henning and Scott Hall beating Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regal for the AWA World Tag Team title in Albuquerque, New Mexico on January 18, 1986 has long been considered a phantom title switch.

Speaker 33 However, that match might have actually happened.

Speaker 33 The card did happen on that date in Albuquerque. Here's what was advertised for the AWA in

Speaker 33 Albuquerque on January 18, 1986.

Speaker 33 And then I got a funny story. This is why I'm actually bringing this up because this popped me even bigger than the match may have happened.

Speaker 33 The opening match was going to be Jackson Cromwell Brody versus Hillbilly Tudor.

Speaker 33 More on this in a minute.

Speaker 33 The Mongolian stomper who was there briefly in the AWA at that time period against Mike Cook, Scott Hall versus Boris Zerkov, Nick Bockwinkle versus Larry Zabisco,

Speaker 33 Garvin and Regal versus Buck Zumhoff and Leon White, and Stan Hansen versus Crusher Blackwell.

Speaker 33 And he goes on to say Brody, Tudor, and Cook were local indie wrestlers. Either Tudor or Brody had the promotional license and ring that were used that night.

Speaker 33 However,

Speaker 33 he goes on to say,

Speaker 33 Regal, Garvin, and Hall were all billed as appearing. Also, all three plus Hennig were on the previous evening's card in Denver on January 17.

Speaker 33 Hennig, Hall, and Zumhoff lost to Stomper, Zukoff, and Nord the Barbarian.

Speaker 33 So basically, he says Hittig wasn't announced for Albuquerque, but by this point, what the AWA announced and what it actually presented were very often different things.

Speaker 33 It's reasonable to think that Hennig was in New Mexico that night and that a title switch happened after Regal said he was leaving, which Regal was going to world-class, and he popped through there before he came to Charlotte.

Speaker 33 And Max says Garvin stayed a little longer and made at least one more TV taping for the AWA

Speaker 33 before going to Charlotte. So, this is not proof,

Speaker 33 but it's evidence. And

Speaker 33 he asked, did Regal, Hall, or Hennig ever comment about it in their lifetimes?

Speaker 33 Has anyone ever asked Garvin about it? I haven't watched all the shoots that they might have done, but one would think if they had that

Speaker 33 we wouldn't still be asking this, would we?

Speaker 32 Yeah, and you have to think there was someone who was there that night. I mean, they sold tickets.
It may not have been a great amount for Albert Kirky AWA in 86, but there were people there.

Speaker 32 If there was a tag title change, someone would have said something. But he's right about one of the big things there.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 it started hurting Vern when Hogan left,

Speaker 32 but it got worse. And it got at times,

Speaker 32 I don't know if it was intentionally done, but it seemed like it, billing things and people that weren't going to be on shows. With Hogan, it was accidental.
Vince McMahon stole him.

Speaker 32 He no-showed all those shows.

Speaker 33 Well, and then it was on purpose when they found out and kept advertising him, but I get your.

Speaker 32 Yeah. But I'm saying the AWA, that's one of those things that I think began to hurt it more and more because

Speaker 32 they were a disorganized organization with a small office run by Vernon.

Speaker 33 Well, and that's the thing: is that sometimes it, you know, very well could have been malicious, but oftentimes it was just

Speaker 33 Keystone cops. We don't know what the fuck we're going to be doing from time to time, and it was falling apart or whatever.
So

Speaker 33 we don't know, but

Speaker 33 Hillbilly Tudor. Brian, I may have one that you haven't heard.

Speaker 33 I've told this on a shoot interview 20 years ago somewhere, but

Speaker 33 this was in January 1986, this AWA show. Well, remember when I managed Dick Murdoch

Speaker 33 with him two different times, once at 87 and then some in

Speaker 33 87 into 88 and then a little bit 89 or whatever, but nevertheless,

Speaker 33 it was sometime in 1987 that Crockett went to Albuquerque and ran the Tingly Coliseum. I remember like it was yesterday.

Speaker 33 And the guys we were on our way to Crockett was again, he was trying to run Los Angeles at that point. It was, you know,

Speaker 33 had run there a few times and we went to San Francisco, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 We're in Albuquerque and they didn't fly everybody.

Speaker 33 out there because it was still being run like a business in those days.

Speaker 33 I can't remember which specific show this was. It was at the Road Warriors versus Midnight Express or whatever the fuck.
And there's Dusty and there's Flares.

Speaker 33 So they've got four or five matches and they put local guys on a cart.

Speaker 33 Well, it just so happened that Dick Murdoch

Speaker 33 was the odd guy that ended up working with a local guy. And of course, Murdoch can work with anybody, right?

Speaker 33 And I'm going out with him and then I got to come back out later on in one of the main events with the midnight against whoever the fuck it may be.

Speaker 33 And so we look at the lineup thing and he's working with, they didn't call him Hillbilly Tudor.

Speaker 33 It was Slim the Hillbilly. I think this was another example of

Speaker 33 Dusty maybe or somebody say the wee Willie Wilkins thing. Where it's like, no, you're not Blue Thunder.
You're Wee Willie Wilkins. Well, no, you're not Hillbilly Tudor.

Speaker 33 They called him Slim because this guy was like six foot three and 320 pounds, but he looked like a miniature little John Harris, all of it, a big bulbous stomach and just pimply face. And

Speaker 33 I get the

Speaker 33 impression of him as just

Speaker 33 with a fucking straw stuck out of his fucking face, just the classic hillbilly caricature.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 yeah, you guys just go about eight minutes, right?

Speaker 33 Dickie's like, all right,

Speaker 33 you know, we'll get eight minutes out of it. And the guy is just, okay, yes, sir, Mr.
Murdoch, whatever. No conversation.
It wasn't like Dick was going to call a match to this guy in the back, right?

Speaker 33 So we get out there

Speaker 33 and Dick locks up with him and he has the guy do maybe a headlock or tackles him. He takes a bump.
He's doing Dick's Murdoch stuff, right? To put the guy over without the guy having to do anything.

Speaker 33 And then suddenly the guy rolls as Dick has sold something and

Speaker 33 you know, a tackle or whatever. And he's in the corner and I'm pounding on the mat.
And I'm like, oh, Dick.

Speaker 33 The guy rolls out of the ring and comes around the ring post and is walking straight toward me.

Speaker 33 And I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?

Speaker 33 And he walks right up and grabs grabs my tennis racket and starts trying to take it away from me.

Speaker 33 And I said, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 33 And I'm not going to give it to him, right? And the thing is,

Speaker 33 I'm surprised because he is like 6'3 or whatever. He's got a, I was a little tubby at that point, but he's got 80 pounds on me.
He can't get it. I ain't going to give it to him and he can't get it.

Speaker 33 And the crowd starts popping a little bit because,

Speaker 33 and I look and there's murdoch and even though he could make those faces like he you know was

Speaker 33 insane you could see if he was enjoying something from his cheeks and a twinkle in his eye and he was wanting to see how this thing came out right because it's dead even i ain't giving an inch and he won't let go

Speaker 33 and finally he's like oh it he's got to roll out and he just blisters a guy and throws him in the ring and just bam, bam, and drops hellball on him and does whatever fuck he does and just beats him right

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 33 he came over to i raised his hand i'm like what was he doing he said i don't know right

Speaker 33 so we get in the back first and then this guy comes in the curtain

Speaker 33 i said what were you

Speaker 33 doing he said well i just thought i don't know what he was saying right he was going to get the i think his family was there

Speaker 33 There was one thing that was mentioned by somebody is his family was there and he got the idea he'd take my racket and scare me or chase me or whatever.

Speaker 33 I said, look, you fucking moron.

Speaker 33 Nobody called for you to fucking chase me, take my gimmick away or anything else. I got to go back in the fucking main event with the fucking tag team champions or whatever.
And you're out here.

Speaker 33 You're in the ring with a fucking legend.

Speaker 33 One of the best workers in the world who has graciously offered to go eight minutes with your fat ass before he beats you.

Speaker 33 And you fucked that up. You went into business for yourself.
You tried to get Matt Gimmick away and couldn't. So you're fucking buried.

Speaker 33 And then he just has to beat you because what the fuck's he going to do now? You've changed the fucking mood. So we didn't even get the time.

Speaker 33 Dumb shit.

Speaker 33 And we just, well, then that's the last I've seen or heard of the hillbilly in Albuquerque until he he was on this fucking card.

Speaker 32 And you think it's the same guy?

Speaker 32 It's got to be

Speaker 33 because

Speaker 33 either Tudor or Brody had the promotional license and ring that were used that night. How many big fat fucking hillbillies that would be named Tudor or Slim

Speaker 33 would be booked in two major cards in a fucking same town unless they had the ring or the license?

Speaker 32 How many times did that ever happen where you were booked against someone who you never really worked with before and you didn't arrange anything, and all of a sudden they start coming for you, and they have an idea in their head about something they're going to do.

Speaker 33 I'm trying to think if that may have been the only time this is how we talk about Buzz Sawyer potato in my face, right?

Speaker 32 Right. That's different.

Speaker 33 But no, that's the thing.

Speaker 33 It's not about did we have it set up beforehand?

Speaker 33 It's about is it

Speaker 33 applicable? Does it have have its place?

Speaker 33 A lot of times the boys would call, you know, drop down, dive out, chase Corney

Speaker 33 without me knowing it. They might give me the fucking, you know, Iggy by giving me the eye, like, here he comes or whatever.
But I know what's happening when it's being set up.

Speaker 33 I see it ahead of time, so I'm ready for it.

Speaker 33 But it's about

Speaker 33 you don't some fucking local guy working with one of the biggest stars in Albuquerque, New Mexico, Burdock, West Texas territory, working with a goddamn legend with the fucking top manager on national television who is going back out in a main event, just doesn't go into business for himself and go after the goddamn manager.

Speaker 33 That's bullshit indie stuff.

Speaker 33 There's levels to this, as the kids say.

Speaker 33 So, no,

Speaker 33 because we were always working either with top guys where it wasn't any big deal for them to stomp my hand or chase me around or fucking play tug of war with me or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 And this is entertaining spots for the audience. Or

Speaker 33 it was guys that knew not to fuck with me because they weren't at that level yet and they just get heat on themselves with the booker or anybody else.

Speaker 33 Or like remember when the new breed flipped Bubba Rogers' hat off at that spot show, and I had to have him beat them both up and throw them out of the ring before they started the match so that we could then beat them.

Speaker 33 But that was another example. It wasn't me, but it was Bubba, but that was not their place.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 in proper professionally organized promotions,

Speaker 33 the pecking order of guys to the fans was protected so that they would see who the top guys were.

Speaker 33 Anyway, Hillbilly Tudor, I wish him well. It's been almost 40 years.
My God, the physical state of him then, he can't still be alive.

Speaker 33 But if he is, maybe his friends will tell him what a dip shit he was that night.

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Speaker 33 Speaking of dip shits, can we talk about this now, Brian? Because I gave myself a Christmas present this past week and didn't even realize I was doing it.

Speaker 33 And,

Speaker 33 well, I shouldn't say gave it to myself. I enabled someone else to give it to me.

Speaker 33 Sakit to me, baby.

Speaker 33 But I pleased myself because I fired people up on Twitter again this past week. And well, actually, it was just about 48 hours ago this whole thing started.

Speaker 33 And we had, you and I

Speaker 33 had covered

Speaker 33 the news about Mick Foley

Speaker 33 saying that he was not going to renew his contract and that he was withdrawing from making any appearances on behalf of the company. While I believe the quote was,

Speaker 33 they were coddling the current presidential administration. Was coddling the word, I think, or coddles?

Speaker 33 Which tense was he using?

Speaker 32 I don't remember.

Speaker 32 Nevertheless. Coddling, I believe.

Speaker 33 Coddling. Well, whatever.
But nevertheless, we covered that because it came up as we were actually actually recording the last program that we did.

Speaker 33 And then when we got finished

Speaker 33 doing the show, I was looking through Twitter and find that because this not only made the wrestling sites about Mick, but made the mainstream sites, whether it be Sports Illustrated or people or the TMZs that were whatever, everybody's on this thing.

Speaker 33 And I'm looking through.

Speaker 33 Some of those, you know, media outlets that have covered this and blah, blah, blah on Twitter. and i see this one

Speaker 33 guy right i don't know why he's got one of the check marks so i guess that's why i was able to see him

Speaker 33 but he says

Speaker 33 mick foley is known for taking more hits to the head than any pro wrestler and mick foley is also the most liberal pro wrestler so draw your own conclusions

Speaker 33 And I'm like, this, who is this fucking guy that he's going to talk about, Mick, who actually has the goddamn because that's when I tweeted

Speaker 33 also at this same time, I just tweeted congratulations to Mick and that I admired him and that I wished all the boys had his backbone and his morals.

Speaker 33 I got like 40,000 of the fucking little hearts that the kids like.

Speaker 33 And so apparently a lot of people agreed with it. But this fucking guy.

Speaker 33 So when he says, draw your own conclusions about Mick's brain damage, I wrote him back. My conclusion is he's smarter than your entire weirdo fascist fucking cult.

Speaker 33 And as principles, imagine how damaged your brains must be to still believe the depth of depravity and bullshit you have mired yourself in.

Speaker 33 Now, see, I thought that was pretty, because I didn't hardly cuss at all.

Speaker 33 Is bullshit still a cuss word, Brian?

Speaker 32 I don't know. I just saw Congressman Michael Auger say it on CNN like once an hour, every hour the other day.
So you're allowed to say it on the news at least now.

Speaker 33 So I see, I didn't even use the profanity, right?

Speaker 33 And I wrote, and then I do as I usually do. We finished recording.
I get off fucking Twitter. I went down.
I started unpacking the Christmas decorations. Right.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I don't, I don't know whether it was later that night or even it might have been first thing the next morning when I got up.

Speaker 33 I turned the Twitter on.

Speaker 33 And Jesus, Chris, it's just flooded thousands. And there's people fucking maligning me, and there's people arguing with the people maligning me, and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 And I've been spammed by the, I got the bots out again, is what I'd remember when I do something that apparently attracts a certain level of attention, I get the bots.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 in this particular case,

Speaker 33 the one guy that I'd replied to apparently

Speaker 33 is one of the

Speaker 33 he's not like

Speaker 33 he's not a main piss boy he's not a main piss carrier where he gets to drink it he just gets to hold the maggot piss to keep it warm

Speaker 33 but he is one of the main twitter guys for the maggot world

Speaker 33 and he has sick the rest of his bots and

Speaker 33 various assholes on me. You know, you can,

Speaker 33 you can tell the

Speaker 33 right-wing, I don't know whether they're actually real people, but there's somebody behind them.

Speaker 33 But they've got patriot in their name and flag in their thing, and they follow 17,000 people.

Speaker 33 It's not even like the ones with the lots of numbers where they just make up like a bunch of accounts with 14 fucking followers or whatever.

Speaker 33 This is the heavy duty stuff where they they all get together and they say the same thing.

Speaker 33 Complete bullshit, but it's the same thing.

Speaker 33 And because they follow all these people, and these people are gullible and they think they're real, or they think they don't have fucking ulterior motives, they think it's a bunch of people saying that shit.

Speaker 33 It must be real. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 33 Brian,

Speaker 33 his name is Jack

Speaker 33 Pussobia,

Speaker 33 Pussobiak.

Speaker 33 I might as well just say piss boy.

Speaker 33 But he's the Pizzagate guy.

Speaker 33 He is one of the primary guys

Speaker 33 that convinced people that Hillary Clinton was running a pedophile ring in the basement of the pizza parlor in New Jersey.

Speaker 32 Oh, get out of here. That was years ago.
This is the guy behind it.

Speaker 33 I swear to God,

Speaker 33 look him up if you want to. I don't know how to.

Speaker 32 I don't want to.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 33 I'm still not sure exactly how you spell it or say. I've never heard his name out loud.
I'd never heard it. I thought he was some random guy on the fucking Twitter, right?

Speaker 33 He's one of the random guys on the Twitter.

Speaker 33 And he is

Speaker 33 again, he's AI'd because we don't coexist in the same social circles, right? As me and Jack Pissboy.

Speaker 33 So he doesn't know what to say about me.

Speaker 33 So he's AI'd

Speaker 33 like insults or whatever, I guess. And so it's either a 35-year-old VHS of me using inappropriate language in a parking lot while discussing a fight I was in,

Speaker 33 or the same

Speaker 33 shit that the cosplay wrestlers tried to do four or five years ago when they tried to me too, me too.

Speaker 33 And boy, that turned out well. Everybody

Speaker 33 ended up going underground or being canceled themselves for being sex pests that was trying to fucking pin all this shit on the Cornette family.

Speaker 33 Eddie tried to insult Stacey, but he called her the wrong name.

Speaker 32 You know, I did see that. Someone sent me that.
They're like, how come you've never talked about Jim's wife, Janice?

Speaker 32 I don't know who that is.

Speaker 33 Well, also, because

Speaker 33 they're also

Speaker 33 trying to, they are hitting me with the, oh, you've had too many steroids. Or I saw one guy said, you've taken too many guitar shots to the head.

Speaker 33 Like, they thought, okay, wrestling guy. What can we say about wrestling guy? Because I'm a noted steroid abuser.

Speaker 32 One DDT, too many.

Speaker 33 Oh, yeah. You know, I've been noted for my string of concussions.

Speaker 33 But that's the thing is that it's, it's, exposes, again, what a sky.

Speaker 33 I'm going to get back to Pissboy in a second, but just this whole framework of shenanigans they've got going on it exposes what a scam it is because suddenly these supposed just real people living their lives have to jump in en masse to slander anyone who has the opposing viewpoint from the orange hobgoblin and or his minions and it's because the of piss boy

Speaker 33 that and his ilk,

Speaker 33 as Mama Cornette used to say,

Speaker 33 that people do this because they just flood the, what do you hear this guy's resume?

Speaker 33 They flood the airwaves with just this bullshit. And if enough people, or alleged people,

Speaker 33 repeat it over and over, then these gullible people that want or that want to believe this shit anyway,

Speaker 33 they get swept up in it.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 apparently, this guy went on some kind of string.

Speaker 33 He did several things. He tried to insult me and he got all his minions to retweet the same stuff.
But also he wants to debate me in Phoenix.

Speaker 33 Apparently.

Speaker 33 Phoenix.

Speaker 33 They've got something like, I don't know if they did the gathering of the juggalos, but they do it in Phoenix. I don't know what the fuck it is.

Speaker 33 But what is it with all these, they want to debate?

Speaker 33 How can you debate somebody

Speaker 33 that speaks like they're on fucking hallucinogenic drugs? Wait, here's the the pizza parlor debate. Okay, uh Jack Pussboy, your opportunity.

Speaker 33 Yes, I believe that Hillary Clinton is operating a child pedophile ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor in New Jersey. And Mr.
Cornette, the opposing viewpoint?

Speaker 33 No, she's not.

Speaker 33 how is there more debate you can't debate these people because it's not rooted in reality

Speaker 33 and they will not admit it

Speaker 33 and so at any rate he wanted to debate me he said he would

Speaker 33 here's how closely he knows me as i said we travel in many of the same circles he'd offer to pay for my plane tickets like anybody'd ever get me on a plane

Speaker 33 because he knows i've been broke since the 90s

Speaker 32 Where's he getting all this information? Is he talking to Janice?

Speaker 33 I don't know. Yeah, barely the barbed wire bat.

Speaker 32 Fucking Janice Cornette always causing trouble.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 when I read this, I thought, okay, I still, I've never heard yet anybody say this guy's name out loud. And so I don't, I'm.
I'm not going to be an ignorant idiot like he is.

Speaker 33 I'm going to go to more learned people for my rebuttals and/or comebacks. I'm going to ask the cult of Cornette.
So, I asked basically in a tweet:

Speaker 33 I said,

Speaker 33 Cult, this fucking turd blossom has a problem with me and Mick Foley not liking his,

Speaker 33 you know, president Schitler, whatever. Can you please tell me what's wrong with him so that I can pass it along to it?

Speaker 33 Everybody,

Speaker 33 everybody had a goddamn different fucking complaint about this guy that responded. Again, there were some of the

Speaker 33 right-wingers that were still limping through, but mostly it was like a rib because I'm like, wait a minute, is this the same guy? Do they think I'm talking about a different guy here?

Speaker 33 Would you like to hear?

Speaker 33 Some of the resume of the guy that's telling me and Mick Foley that we need to modify our behavior?

Speaker 32 Yeah, because actually I don't know who this guy is. I saw you were having this fight.

Speaker 32 Some of the listeners sent over the Janice tweet because I thought it was funny, but I don't know who the, other than the Pizzagate thing, which again, I didn't know his name was associated with it.

Speaker 32 I don't know who this is.

Speaker 33 See, this, and that's why I say this is a Christmas present to me that he has given me because

Speaker 33 he gets his message out. They, he goes to the, he does these things, he drums up his own publicity.
You'll see here in a second. He does fake shit to get reactions out of people, whatever.

Speaker 33 But he's one of the big ones. You know, that Trump himself listens to this guy because he's saying good things about him.

Speaker 33 And the easiest way to circumcise Donald Trump would be to kick one of these fucking guys in the chin.

Speaker 33 So basically, because he has now magnified my message to the real hardcore maggot audience.

Speaker 33 There is not only do they know what I think of him, but there is a good chance that Donald Trump himself knows that Jim Jim Cornett thinks he's a piece of.

Speaker 33 And this is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. I'm telling you.
But listen to this: this guy is telling me what we all need to do. And

Speaker 33 you can go on the internet,

Speaker 33 internet, Jack Posabeck, Posabik, whatever the fuck, it'll pop up.

Speaker 33 The variety of news outlets

Speaker 33 have reported on his outrageous conduct.

Speaker 33 He's been called, labeled, or accused of being a white supremacist, an anti-Semitic, a neo-Nazi, a Christian nationalist.

Speaker 33 He's definitely a noted liar.

Speaker 33 He told people that the 2020 election was stolen. He was one of those people.

Speaker 33 He was one of the main proponents of Pizzagate. And then when a guy went in and shot the place up, he tried to backpedal.

Speaker 33 He's been called a potential Russian asset or propagandist.

Speaker 33 I'm telling you, because go

Speaker 33 read all this in detail. Listen to what the internet's saying.
I'm reporting on what people are saying about this son of a bitch.

Speaker 33 He was in the Navy, but he's an ex-Navy guy, and they suspended his security clearance.

Speaker 32 When? When he was in the Navy or after he left the Navy?

Speaker 33 Well, a number of years ago when he started, I guess, doing all this nutty shit.

Speaker 33 And basically, the whole thing is the pattern.

Speaker 33 He's a right-wing attention whore that starts trouble in public places, sticks himself in the middle of stuff that doesn't concern him, and tries to act like he's important to ride the gravy train of all the grifters.

Speaker 33 that have sprung up to support the Mango Mussolini and the whole criminal regime they've got going. And that's, they have suckered people

Speaker 33 into

Speaker 33 believing

Speaker 33 not even Republican bullshit anymore. I insult the Republicans by the maggot bullshit, the Trump bullshit.
He's on a couple of lists of extremists.

Speaker 33 I think one with the Southern Poverty Law Center, for fuck's sake, because he's had ties to the proud boys and the oath keepers.

Speaker 33 He praised the January 6th insurrectionists. Philadelphia Magazine called him the king of fake news.

Speaker 33 I'm not,

Speaker 33 again, I've just compiled this.

Speaker 32 This is a hell of a list of accolades here.

Speaker 33 This is not exactly, you know, oh, yeah, it was a concerted attempt by two guys in their basement to slander me.

Speaker 33 No, this is everybody, every time that he reveals his public statements, deeds, words, or actions, he has offended somebody. And he apparently cheated on his wife on Bumble.

Speaker 33 Do you have any idea what the fuck Bumble might be?

Speaker 32 I think it's like a dating site or a dating app.

Speaker 33 Somebody tweeted me his picture of him with his cell phone, taking a picture of him in the mirror with a thing that said to Bumble and whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 he's like the Dan Aykroyd skit, Saturday Night Live. I've mentioned it's one of my favorites where Aykroyd is the talk show host that wants to be controversial.
The name of the show is Talk Back.

Speaker 33 Call 555-1212 and Talk Back to Me.

Speaker 33 And then they sit and stare and the phone doesn't ring.

Speaker 33 And then he says something else a little bit more inflammatory, maybe of a political nature, and talk back to me and nothing.

Speaker 33 And then he escalates it a notch on some capital punishment and the phone rings and it's a goddamn wrong number.

Speaker 33 And then finally he says, killing puppies. I'm for it.

Speaker 33 That's all these fucking idiots are doing. They'd be nobody except they've hooked their wagons to this grifting gravy train.

Speaker 33 And they're helping poison

Speaker 33 our country, which obviously at this point, I think there should be a

Speaker 33 water advisory. Don't drink the shit.
All over the country now, our well has been poisoned to this extent.

Speaker 33 But they're all in on it. And I,

Speaker 33 after a day or so, I tweeted him back. Thank you.

Speaker 33 Because again, now

Speaker 33 I can at least believe when I lay my head down at night that that pig-faced criminal piece of shit that should be rotting in jail, but for this whole disinformation campaign, knows that I see through his bullshit.

Speaker 33 That's the best Christmas present that anybody ever gave me. And I don't want

Speaker 33 or care for any of these people that he has summoned upon me to be my audience. But I do appreciate the hatred and vitriol.
Because again,

Speaker 33 if these people don't like me, I'm doing something right.

Speaker 33 I'm telling the truth and doing the right thing, like Mick Foley. Unlike you and your ilk, I don't need to blame the

Speaker 33 or the minorities or the gay people or the trans people or the Democrats or the

Speaker 33 fucking Polish people

Speaker 33 or anybody else for being a failure and a loser and a liar and a grifter

Speaker 33 like you and your cronies have cornered the market on.

Speaker 33 You keep carrying the piss. I'll stick to Sprite Zero.
Thank you very much, piss boy.

Speaker 33 Should we call for him if we need him? I think he's off of me now because a bunch of people tweeted him the Sean Waltman rule. And since apparently he's dug in

Speaker 33 at least far enough to know that I don't freak out when people talk mean about me on Twitter. He won't.
It was like 15 the first day and then he just won't get back.

Speaker 33 Do you think our relationship is over, Brian?

Speaker 32 I don't know because you really wonder how self-aware he is or isn't. Obviously, not limited to whoever this person is.
And I don't know.

Speaker 32 I'm assuming they create content or do something like that, but there's an entire industry of people who create content and say things they know or think are wrong, but they also know where the money is.

Speaker 32 You know, there's a lot of crackpot

Speaker 32 radio hosts, podcasters that if they came out and said, you know what, I've been misled. Or I told you the wrong thing.

Speaker 32 Or, you know what, some of this stuff I've been saying is really stupid because I realize I can manipulate all you.

Speaker 32 Now, please listen to my sponsor who will sell you seeds to replant life when everything ends. It's all a fucking bullshit factory.

Speaker 32 And,

Speaker 32 you know, it kind of says something. He exposes himself

Speaker 32 when

Speaker 32 he's clearly looking for attention from you. He's looking for some kind of online fight.
from you, but he also has no idea who you are. And when he's trying to fight back,

Speaker 32 if he's giving you facts that are completely wrong and made up like Jim's wife, Janice,

Speaker 32 I've heard people insult Jim for years. I've never heard that.

Speaker 32 So, if that's what he's doing to Jim, what else is he completely batshit wrong about just because he's looking for attention momentarily, whoever this is?

Speaker 33 Well, again,

Speaker 33 if you go on, I guess he probably even has a staff also. And that's why I said I think he AI'd some of the insult or just the google search whatever it is that they they do

Speaker 33 and whatever's the top four things on the internet comes up or something

Speaker 33 but

Speaker 33 if you go to any his wikipedia or any of these online articles about him you'll go you'll go through 15 paragraphs of shit that he has

Speaker 33 made up or lied about or controversies he's inserted himself in or you know the whole right-wing thing and i guess this thing in Phoenix is where they have a bunch of the really,

Speaker 33 maybe is it an outlaw right-wing thing where they don't have the like the really major stars, but just a bunch of these YouTubers and shitsterers.

Speaker 33 But they live in that world somehow and they have staffs that spread out and try to tamp down any dissent on the social media where they, I guess, they can get the teenagers. I don't know.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 again, I appreciate the attention for that audience because it opens up a whole new world, Jack, to exactly what I think of him.

Speaker 33 And I just, I wish that I had more,

Speaker 33 more personal insults to give.

Speaker 33 But when you look at this fucking guy's resume, my God, it's like, I'd be like kicking a dead horse in the desert if I start personally insulting him after everything else that everybody has said on the internet.

Speaker 33 He makes Heyman sound like a goddamn guy with his hand on a Bible.

Speaker 32 I guess you won't be going to Albuquerque. Oh, not Albuquerque.
Where was it? It was

Speaker 33 Phoenix. Phoenix.
Albuquerque is where the AWA tag team taught. Yes.

Speaker 32 We'll send Hillbilly Tudor. That's right.

Speaker 33 Hillbilly Tudor and stuff. He sounded like he'd get over with that crowd.
But anyway, we'll keep everybody up to date if I've inflamed any more of the fucking lunatics.

Speaker 33 But again, and one more bravo for Mick Foley.

Speaker 33 But I guess we should switch now to some modern wrestling action, Brian, because

Speaker 33 I don't even, I didn't jot down their names. It's just so preposterous that it happened.

Speaker 33 But basically,

Speaker 33 the other night on NXT.

Speaker 33 television, the women's title changed hands, even though they didn't really want it to or plan for it to. It just did somehow.
Like

Speaker 33 it just, it was gone and it's gone.

Speaker 33 They changed the belt,

Speaker 33 especially on a show before Christmas where they'd already taped stuff through the holiday break. And the girl challenging the championess.
Is that how you say it, championess?

Speaker 32 And you do know the champion. The champion was Blake Monroe, a.k.a.
Maria May from AEW. There you go.

Speaker 33 Oh, oh, oh, Maria Mae from AEW, Blake Monroe, who they're pushing to try to be a star. I haven't actually heard it's working out real well.
But what's the other guy? Thea Hale.

Speaker 32 Thea Hall, apparently.

Speaker 33 Thea Hall.

Speaker 32 Well, it is the challenge. Oh, it is.
You're right.

Speaker 33 Oh, now you change your story. Try to make me see.
I've never seen this. In the pain of disinformation, try to make me look.

Speaker 32 He looks like an L. They're next to each other.

Speaker 33 Yeah, put your glasses on, Paul.

Speaker 33 Anyway,

Speaker 33 Thea Hale came down like a whole goddamn thunderstorm on Blake Monroe and just squashed her and beat her one, two, three for the women's title.

Speaker 33 And they've had to just change all of their shit and they got mad and they've instituted new policies. I thought we'd just conversate about this for a second.

Speaker 33 Because

Speaker 33 I, again, don't understand how these things happen.

Speaker 33 I watched the move in question, and when Blake Monroe was laying in the middle of the ring, waiting for the move to be delivered upon her.

Speaker 33 Brian, would you say it was a fair description when I say that old Thea Hall

Speaker 33 jumped up on a second rope, I believe it was, and sprung backwards.

Speaker 33 And instead of a splash where you splash somebody with your stomach, she's splashing with her back.

Speaker 33 Would that give everybody the mental picture properly i guess that's uh yeah i guess that's the way to describe it and she landed on old blake monroe as stiff as a goddamn blue vein throbber on 150 milligrams of viagra

Speaker 33 she

Speaker 33 what the

Speaker 33 she landed on this girl

Speaker 33 Whoom, with her entire body weight, and her feet were up in the air.

Speaker 33 And then when her, when she finally came to some rest on the mat, I can't remember whether she hooked one of Blake's legs or not, but she was grabbing, she was hooking for the, because it was supposed to be a false finish.

Speaker 33 And she hooked it up enough that between the fact that she had just knocked the breath out of Blake Monroe

Speaker 33 and then she kind of hooked her.

Speaker 33 The referees have been told to count it as a shoot and they counted it.

Speaker 33 One, two, three. And also, it

Speaker 33 again, somebody said that it looked like Blake still tried to struggle to get her shoulder up. I don't

Speaker 33 is close enough for rock and roll, but

Speaker 33 Jesus Christ, how do they keep doing this shit?

Speaker 32 And we've just seen a series of things over the last year where the referees had to stop a three count because the person didn't kick out. I think it was, was it Nia Jackson?

Speaker 32 Jay, I forget who it was. It was one time in AEW, it was one time in WWE,

Speaker 32 where the referee stopped. Here, the referee didn't stop.

Speaker 32 You could argue she got her shoulder up. It looked like she tried to do something.

Speaker 33 Well, but at the same point,

Speaker 33 I'm not blaming the referee here.

Speaker 33 And I'm not blaming the unconscious victim.

Speaker 33 In this case, I swear to God.

Speaker 33 I don't care how green you are. You ought to know when you have landed on somebody in in an altogether too forceful fucking manner.

Speaker 33 I've done it a time or two 35 years ago and all of those

Speaker 33 crazy six-man tags and things involved where I try to do something and somebody would boom it. Oh shit.

Speaker 33 And it's been done to me a time or two.

Speaker 33 And I don't know

Speaker 33 this could have been avoided

Speaker 33 instead of sticking exactly to the script or to the

Speaker 33 plan that they had laid out, if when Thea came off the ropes and landed with all her weight on that fucking girl, hard enough to knock the breath out of her,

Speaker 33 that instead of just immediately scrambling her up for a fucking cover and a pin, because that was what the spot that was called,

Speaker 33 she might sit up and gloat for a second, like, ooh, I just did that, and turn around and look over her shoulder and see if her opponent's still breathing.

Speaker 33 And then she might have turned over and just covered her the other fucking way.

Speaker 33 And she would have had a chance to say, Are you all right?

Speaker 33 And the referee knows what the finish is supposed to be, and that ain't it. So the referee is going to be looking

Speaker 33 for a kickout. So it wouldn't take much effort for the girl on top to have helped

Speaker 33 Blake kick her off until she got her breath back.

Speaker 33 But instead, she didn't even look over her shoulder at that girl. She just landed the fuck on top of her and hooked her leg up or head up or however she hooked her.

Speaker 33 And just she was still looking upwards away from the girl she was covering.

Speaker 33 So,

Speaker 33 Brian, have you ever had it's an old saying, had the breath knocked out of you, but have you ever legitimately, or the wind, have you ever legitimately had that happen to you i think so yeah

Speaker 33 you can't speak right

Speaker 33 there's no way you can speak you can't really get up it's not that you're paralyzed but you don't have the capability until you can rectify that situation and and

Speaker 33 start breathing again

Speaker 33 to really do much of anything

Speaker 33 But you would think that if she'd turned over and covered her, she could tell by the look in her eye or the limpness in her body or whatever the and go, oh, okay, I'll let a roller. But

Speaker 33 but that's to me, that's what I saw. It was just like, Jesus Christ, she didn't care because they're just so used to potatoing each other.

Speaker 33 And how many times do I talk about the matches that I do watch from either company?

Speaker 33 Oh, so-and-so just came off the top and just landed square on so-and-so with their ass or their knees or their full body weight or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 I don't know how there's not more

Speaker 33 broken ribs, collapsed lungs, hernias.

Speaker 33 I could go on.

Speaker 33 I've never seen so many people landed on in 50 years of watching wrestling as I have the last two.

Speaker 33 But what are they going to do with the, oh, they changed the policy too, right, Brian? They, they're making them stay till the end of the show.

Speaker 32 Oh, I hadn't heard that. Have they?

Speaker 33 I believe that because apparently

Speaker 33 stuff that creative had to hurry and scurry and, you know, figure out to, oh, should we reshoot this or change this or is this going to work now?

Speaker 32 Oh, because they were about to go on holiday break, weren't they?

Speaker 33 Yes. Yeah.
And so they had stuff already done and they had to, I guess, pull shit that wasn't going to work or whatever. But now, I guess they're going to have another match.
And

Speaker 33 who knows, they might do a flippity-flop or they might try to swerve everybody

Speaker 33 and keep it on Theo, whatever the case. But they've also said that all the talent has to stay till the end of the show now.
Okay.

Speaker 33 I think they're mad because they could have reshot something after that happened, but whoever was in it had already left the building.

Speaker 33 But I don't know when that stayed. That used to be

Speaker 33 a Vince thing long ago, 30 years ago, anyway, on TV.

Speaker 33 Everybody stays till the end of the show and in case you're needed for something. And I've in the early years, 93, 94, I was at syndicated TVs at 12:30 in the fucking morning.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 what was it like before that? Like when you were at Crockett or Mid-South, what was the rule in terms of when you could leave a show?

Speaker 32 Well, was it just after your match, you have the option to leave, or what was it?

Speaker 33 No, no, with Watts,

Speaker 33 he would, every once in a while, he would remind everybody that it was highly suggested that they stay

Speaker 33 and watch all the matches because if they were in the preliminary matches, that's the way they would learn. see what the main eventers are doing.

Speaker 33 The main eventers watch the early matches so you don't do anything that's already been done in a goddamn match in your match.

Speaker 33 And there were exceptions for major names or people who had travel difficulties or whatever the case, but that was the rule there.

Speaker 33 With Crockett,

Speaker 33 I mean, on the house show, and also with the house shows, the heels always stayed to help the top heels fight their way back through the crowd after the main event in Mid-South.

Speaker 33 With Crockett, you could leave

Speaker 33 if you weren't going to be needed or whatever house shows, but there was really,

Speaker 33 you almost couldn't leave a Crockett TV if you were a top guy before the thing was over with. They taped two one-hour shows in

Speaker 33 live to tape in real time. And we were on both of them.
And by the time you change your clothes, the goddamn thing's over with. So

Speaker 33 I'm just saying it was always suggested that the underneath guys should stay to watch the main inventors and learn. And the main inventors were there anyway.

Speaker 32 And with NXT, the best comparison may be OVW. What was your rule there?

Speaker 33 Oh, the same thing. You need to stay and watch what the fuck's going on for the reasons.
If you're on first, you need to know what the guys on top are doing, and vice versa.

Speaker 33 But again, we had to break that because sometimes guys that have to go to their real jobs waiting tables.

Speaker 33 So this was the early days.

Speaker 33 But you know what they ought to do, Brian, to prevent

Speaker 33 the

Speaker 33 unscheduled title changes to keep that from happening?

Speaker 32 No, what's that?

Speaker 33 They ought to put a set of Raycon earbuds in all the guys and girls' ears when they go out there and they could tell them every move to make in real time, right as it was happening.

Speaker 33 Sort of like a wrestling version of Twister.

Speaker 33 They could just broadcast, okay, lift your left arm, place it over her right shoulder.

Speaker 33 And that way they could actually lead them through this thing, like leading a horse to water, but then not making them drink. But what's Aubrey Ed have to do with this? What about the Raycons, Brian?

Speaker 32 Well, what about them?

Speaker 33 You think they could, they could talk to them through the Raycons?

Speaker 33 Because we already established that those ones that go in your ear, they won't come out, even if you're pile drived or drop kicked or hip-tosed or body slammed or suplexed or all kinds of stuff, even arm dragged.

Speaker 33 And now the essential open earbuds are here for the holiday season where they hook over your ear and you can listen to all the great high-quality sound that makes it sound like you're in the studio with Alan Parsons when he's mastering Dark Side of the Moon.

Speaker 33 But you can also hear the honk of the horn of the oncoming car or train or bus or whatever is about to smite you

Speaker 33 because it's the holiday season and these things happen.

Speaker 33 Brian, you know, every time I get a package from Raycon, Stacey goes crazy because she's got all the kinds of earbuds.

Speaker 33 As a matter of fact, she figured out a way where she could take four pairs of earbuds, put them in various places on her body, and have quadraphonic sounds.

Speaker 32 That's not how it works. That's amazing.
That would be amazing, but no, that's not how it works.

Speaker 33 The kids all over the neighborhood are coming over for the Christmas carols. They really want to see that.
But folks, I'll tell you.

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Speaker 33 Don't get run over by a truck, but still have great sound quality. And with four pair, you can be quadraphonic.
Again, don't forget the rotating ear hook, which that thing can be fun at parties.

Speaker 32 Ladies and gentlemen, why don't we focus on the main thing here at the end of the year, Christmas time?

Speaker 32 And of course, thinking about all the people we love and all the wonderful gifts we give them and ourselves. I love Raycon earbuds.

Speaker 32 We have a pair here for me that I've been hiding from my family because they've stolen my previous pairs. Everyone in the house has one.

Speaker 32 And maybe, just maybe, the referee in NXT was listening to music instead of the instructions from the back. And that's what led to the problem.

Speaker 32 But these are great earbuds, and we think the listeners will love it. And we have a great deal for them.
Professionally, Jim.

Speaker 33 Yes,

Speaker 33 I'll tell you what. Here's another thing.
It turns your family into thieves because they'll steal your Raycons from you. Well, they did that.

Speaker 32 And Stacy's, no promise.

Speaker 33 Stacy's sister stole some of her Raycons from her because she was so fired up to have them.

Speaker 33 And so you've got to guard these things with your lives, folks. Some people, it's like a Popeyes chicken sandwich.
People have lost their lives. But right now,

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Speaker 28 Go to HarlemGlobetrotters.com for your tickets to the 100 year tour

Speaker 33 all righty brian well now it's time for that recurring segment on the program that we call comics corner

Speaker 33 because

Speaker 33 several people wrote when we were talking about steve jeppy and the museum he had in baltimore with the incredible multi-millions of dollars worth of comic books alone and just this warehouse that was packed floor to ceiling, four floors of movie posters and toys and every kind of pop culture thing in the world, right?

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Lauren, Baltimore Lauren, who we had read an email from, sent me another email and sent pictures of the place that she had taken.

Speaker 33 And I took a lot also when I was there, but apparently they changed things around. They would move things and have new things come in.

Speaker 33 When I was there, the Detective 27 and Action Number One were right there in the case with the All-Star Four and whatever, but she had pictures. There was a Sensation One

Speaker 33 and all the just incredible stuff, right?

Speaker 33 We were trying to figure out

Speaker 33 how this goof

Speaker 33 started working at a comic book shop,

Speaker 33 became a multi-hundred millionaire and had all this fucking money, right? And the only thing

Speaker 33 that we could agree on with anybody was this diamond comics distribution deal. Apparently, that's how he made all that fucking money.

Speaker 33 And we got an email from Jeff. I don't know where he's from.
He didn't say, but it was so detailed

Speaker 33 that to be honest, that would be a separate podcast to read this and react to it, et cetera.

Speaker 33 But he tells the whole story, but our friend Mark Cole up in Maryland, who I used to live in Colorado, but he moved,

Speaker 33 he sent a more digestible email about this. But Brian, this is basically

Speaker 33 how this guy made all these hundreds of millions of dollars.

Speaker 33 He said, Jeffy started Diamond in the early 1980s to be one of the early comics direct market,

Speaker 33 which had started in the late 1970s. So

Speaker 33 in the old days, and back when I started collecting, and Brian, I don't know, have you ever seen the old comic books where they would be sold or marketed or advertised a back issue as three-quarter cover or two-third cover or even coverless?

Speaker 33 Yeah, I've seen it. Where you'd see those?

Speaker 32 Of course.

Speaker 33 Well, when comic books were distributed through the newsstands and the stores that had magazine racks and et cetera,

Speaker 33 if they didn't sell,

Speaker 33 if the newsstand tore the masthead off or the logo or the cover and sent it back, they could get refunded for the goddamn comic book that didn't sell.

Speaker 33 And then

Speaker 33 they, you know, you could turn around and dump a box of those or whatever. That's how they ended up in all the flea markets.

Speaker 33 But nevertheless, then this direct market for comics, this diamond distributor started distributing the directly to all these new comic book specialty shops that were

Speaker 33 popping up.

Speaker 33 But this was on a non-returnable basis. So basically,

Speaker 33 when comics shifted from being mainly a newsstand product with returnable stock to comic shops where stores bought their comics wholesale, they were non-returnable.

Speaker 33 Throughout the 1980s, Diamond bought out other distributions and became one of, if not the biggest distributor.

Speaker 33 In the mid-1990s, Marvel bought out a distributor called Heroes World and made their books exclusively through them.

Speaker 33 As retaliation, many other publishers signed an exclusive deal with Diamond, including DC, Dark Horse, and Image.

Speaker 33 When Marvel went bankrupt in the late 90s, they closed Heroes World, and they had to go back to Diamond. So this left Diamond with a near monopoly in the distribution business.

Speaker 33 And once they had the near monopoly, the company grew at a rapid rate.

Speaker 33 And apparently, Mark worked at one of the early Jeppy's comic shops

Speaker 33 in Delaware. They were an early diamond account, and

Speaker 33 Jeppy knew the owners there.

Speaker 32 Sounds like the Vince McMahon of comics distribution.

Speaker 33 Yes, he just ran them all out of. And then

Speaker 33 there was also, as Jeff's email went into, he was also buying and selling rare shit.

Speaker 33 And with the stuff that he he had, I can't imagine what went through his hands with the

Speaker 33 selling.

Speaker 33 And then he's apparently allegedly,

Speaker 33 as our friend Baltimore Lauren says, donated

Speaker 33 much, who knows if it's all of that collection to the Library of Congress for a big tax

Speaker 33 subsidy, not subsidy, but break, cut, whatever. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 33 Hundreds of millions of dollars from distributing comic books.

Speaker 32 And by the way, that's the company that went bankrupt. They had diamond select toys they were doing under that distribution plan, and they went bankrupt.
Right now, they're in the middle of it.

Speaker 33 But I bet you that he still got all his personal money. I just bet.

Speaker 32 And personal comics.

Speaker 33 Alrighty, then. We also have an update from another one of the learned listeners.

Speaker 33 Remember this past summer when I took the trip to the Jack Pfeffer collection in Notre Dame with my old friend Tom Burke and his old friend Chris McMahon, no relation, and my older friend Bobby Fulton, and all of us were old.

Speaker 33 And, you know, we had talked about some of that on the program, but there's a fellow named Corey Santos. I think we mentioned him before.

Speaker 33 that is writing a biography of Jack Pfeffer. And I can't wait.
And we will obviously keep the folks surprised on that. I can't wait till I get a chance to read it.
But

Speaker 33 he gave me some

Speaker 33 incredible background.

Speaker 33 Chris McMahon did in an email based on this article that Corey has written about I.T. Flateau.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 apparently, I won't read the whole thing because then again, this is a long historical document. But remember, we were making fun of his name.

Speaker 33 And I said, this must be some kind of gimmick guy that Pfeffer had dreamed of when I first saw the letters.

Speaker 33 And then we realized he was an attorney, did have an office, and he represented Pfeffer in a lot of stuff. And you had, um,

Speaker 33 you'd looked him up in conjunction with some real world business that he had been doing in New York in the 30s and 40s. But Isaac Townsend Flato

Speaker 33 was his real name, son of German immigrants. And he started practicing law in New York as early as 1977.

Speaker 33 And he, in the World War I,

Speaker 33 he was a local war effort,

Speaker 33 you know, mover and shaker. He was on the board of governors of the American Victory Union,

Speaker 33 a civic organization that included William Randolph Hearst.

Speaker 33 So he was a sports nut,

Speaker 33 and that's how he came in contact with Pfeffer because he's the guy that built the Ridgewood Grove Arena, the new Ridgewood Grove Sporting Club, to host boxing and wrestling and opened it in 1926.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 remember, we talked about the Johnston brothers that had the license for boxing and wrestling in Madison Square Garden or the family. There were brothers and other relations.

Speaker 33 He tried to get that

Speaker 33 in 1925. And that's why he built Ridgewood Grove Arena.
He built his own arena.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 he controlled Ridgewood Grove. We've seen a ton of advertisements from wrestling there and the early television broadcast, Jamaica Arena.

Speaker 33 They did television there as well. And the Dykeman Bowl.

Speaker 33 And then apparently

Speaker 33 he got sideways with Jack Curley when Curley was still alive. And that's what led him to start doing business with Jack Pfeffer.

Speaker 33 And he wanted to bring new blood into the wrestling business. And another guy that he

Speaker 33 made the director of his wrestling, I guess that was the title, but probably his booker at one point at Ridgewood Grove was Rudolph Miller.

Speaker 33 who would later on be the guy that owned Pittsburgh, Rudy Miller, who would start Bruno Samartino, give him his first contract.

Speaker 32 Well, that was Jack Hurley's office. He had Jack Pfeffer and Rudy Miller in there.
Those were his two guys.

Speaker 32 And then, of course, Pfeffer broke away. And when did Pfeffer break away in comparison to I.T.
Flato?

Speaker 33 Well, okay, in 1934, Corey Santos said.

Speaker 33 When the newly founded Wrestling Trust dictated the terms of the sport in the city of New York, Flatto balked, rejecting the status quo and putting his weight and pocketbook behind Jack Pfeffer's Lighter Wrestlers and the fresh blood offered by Ohio's Al Haft.

Speaker 32 There you go.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 33 And there you go. And he was, Flato had stated he wanted to purchase arenas in both Los Angeles and Chicago as part of a larger boxing wrestling empire, but that did not

Speaker 33 apparently come through.

Speaker 33 Apparently, at a radio show

Speaker 33 just titled Sports at 11:30 p.m. on WGBS Radio, which is now WINS 1010.

Speaker 32 Oh, wow.

Speaker 32 Are you aware of this station? 1010 wins. It used to be music and then it became all news.

Speaker 33 He was also the protection that Pfeffer needed against an openly hostile New York State Athletic Commission. Remember, we read some of those letters.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 And they were antagonistic to Pfeffer since his ugly divorce. from Ivan Podubney in 1927.
They weren't pleased with his antics after he was excommunicated. So

Speaker 33 we got to research that a little bit more. But basically,

Speaker 33 Pfeffer

Speaker 33 not only

Speaker 33 got funding from FlaTo and his connections,

Speaker 33 but it was also

Speaker 33 when, remember, when Pfeffer

Speaker 33 put FlaTo listed him on his draft card, which was the signal that he knew somebody and they should leave him alone. Pfeffer was always scared of being identified as a communist,

Speaker 33 especially during and after World War II.

Speaker 33 And since Flato was a judge and a lawyer, he was in the veterans' organizations, he could keep people off of Pfeffer. But Pfeffer was in the same

Speaker 33 situation as Colonel Tom Parker when he managed Elvis. Pfeffer couldn't travel internationally.

Speaker 33 or take a chance on get arrested, getting arrested for the stuff he had done with the Russian Grand Opera Company when he was with them or his questionable paperwork.

Speaker 33 And Flato married a multi-millionaire widow in 1940. You know, Pfeffer just loved that.
And apparently his wife was an LA socialite.

Speaker 33 And he ran with Ridgewood Grove throughout his life until dying of a heart attack in New York City on November 10, 1956.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 just to go to show you how people soon forget,

Speaker 33 nobody from the sporting world, which Flatow had apparently devoted his life to, came to his funeral.

Speaker 33 Pfeffer and a former secretary of the Athletic Commission in New York were the only ones there for a one-time titan in the city's sports scene, I.T. Flato.

Speaker 33 Wow. Brian, it's terrible how people just turn.

Speaker 33 When you're gone, they just forget you.

Speaker 32 Where's his papers?

Speaker 32 You know, I mean, I'm sure probably tossed out or something if no one has them and they haven't turned up, but it just goes to show you how many important figures there are outside of wrestling, even, who interject with wrestling that we don't know anything about.

Speaker 32 You know, I would love to read more about I.T. Flat.
I'd love to read a Jack Pfeffer book. Don't get me wrong, but IT Flatto sounds fascinating.

Speaker 33 I guarantee guarantee you there is more paperwork documenting the goings-on of IT Flato and the Jack Pfeffer files than exists all together in the rest of the world put together. I'm sure.

Speaker 33 But anyway, well, Corey, after he finishes Pfeffer, he'll do Flato, and then he can sell them as a combo, the Pfeffer and Flato combo.

Speaker 33 All righty. Anyway.

Speaker 33 Somebody else is trying to sell us something, Brian.

Speaker 33 I'm not sure I'm buying it.

Speaker 33 Do you have? I asked you to see if you could look up what John Cena is saying about the finish of his match. That I know we've already talked about it, but now there's comments

Speaker 33 from John, and there's people trying to

Speaker 33 give it this cinematic, deep meaning of the

Speaker 33 warrior realized that he had to let go and just he was content with his life. Or what the fuck is going on here

Speaker 32 is what i'm asking you what are these people saying they're trying to explain and justify the finish of the cena gunther match which was obviously something worked on internally

Speaker 32 and cena

Speaker 32 it seems like he it seems like all the things that people didn't like over this past year all cena has done publicly is embrace it still

Speaker 32 and this is no

Speaker 32 No change right here.

Speaker 33 Well, but I mean,

Speaker 33 since I heard what they're saying, I'm thinking, could this even have been John's idea? Because he has been in the motion picture industry for a while.

Speaker 33 But honest to God, it sounds like I loved Kevin Sullivan.

Speaker 33 But Kevin Sullivan

Speaker 33 sat and told me on Crockett's plane one night for about 45 minutes the whole angle.

Speaker 33 and all the happenings and all the motivations and everything that everybody was going to do and say behind that.

Speaker 33 Remember that triple cage tower of doom thing they did in the, what was it, the summer of 88?

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 And not a lot of people liked that thing.

Speaker 33 But the way he told it, it was the greatest wrestling angle I'd ever heard. And I thought, if only we had just let Kevin Sullivan go out on TV for 45 minutes and explain it.

Speaker 33 Because it didn't get it when everybody else, or they didn't get it rather, when everybody else had to get involved. The point is,

Speaker 33 is this some grand idea that John had

Speaker 33 for being artistic and deep and meaningful and cinematic and theatrical and thespianism and all that other stuff? And

Speaker 33 for a lot of people, it's just flattered and fucking plateful of piss?

Speaker 32 I'm not exactly sure, but we have some quotes here. Apparently, Cena was on the Cody Rhodes podcast.
Those WWE podcasts are so funny.

Speaker 32 Whenever they plug it on Raw, it's like the same rotating group of guests. Like, Nick Kahn's on this show this week.
And then a week later, Nick Kahn's on this show.

Speaker 32 And then a week later, you'll never guess who Stephanie's talking to. Yeah, we will.
It's the same person I was on Cody's show last month. But anyway, Cody had Cena on.
And I have a quote here.

Speaker 32 This was transcribed by the Wrestling Observer newsletter.

Speaker 32 For the last five minutes, everything I preach about story and drama and having a conversation with the audience. The ones I love are in the front row.

Speaker 32 I know my colleagues are watching on the monitor back there.

Speaker 32 We're just in a sleeper hold, man.

Speaker 32 But we're having the conversation with the audience.

Speaker 32 As I essentially take my last breath.

Speaker 33 Yeah, the audience was hoping he'd quit breathing earlier.

Speaker 32 Was that thunder?

Speaker 33 Boy, it must be. I hear it behind you.

Speaker 32 Holy shit.

Speaker 32 all right john i take it back you you're finished

Speaker 32 your finish was great i love the match boy i knew he had friends in high places but jesus uh let me get back to uh that was very loud john said god has something to say about all this apparently as i essentially take my last breath

Speaker 32 i have struggled if you think of somebody the natural causes scenario, or however we picture loss in our life,

Speaker 32 all of us have been through it. They struggle.
They hang on just long enough to make sure to say goodbye to everyone that's been meaningful in their lives.

Speaker 32 And that whole day was so many unbelievable, vulnerable, meaningful conversations

Speaker 32 as the clouds literally open up around me and rain comes pouring down. But back to the quotient.

Speaker 32 Then you realize I've connected with everybody I love.

Speaker 32 Physically, I feel great.

Speaker 32 I think it's time to take that last breath. And that's that.

Speaker 32 I hate to keep going back morbidly to obituaries, but like,

Speaker 32 this person died peacefully.

Speaker 32 Knowing that, like, man, we are in a good place. We're going to be great going forward.

Speaker 32 The bottom of the t-shirt says, I gave everything.

Speaker 32 Thank you for everything.

Speaker 32 And in that one moment, that was that.

Speaker 32 Going peacefully.

Speaker 32 So I guess he was smiling.

Speaker 33 I've been watching wrestling for 50 years. I've never seen a great match where I could liken the finish to watching someone die.

Speaker 33 What is he? Have they all

Speaker 33 gone, even John, gone just

Speaker 33 insane over the smell of their own methane farts?

Speaker 33 That is the

Speaker 33 no.

Speaker 33 If I'm gonna have to watch a loved one die, I'd rather watch the loved one get run over by a fucking bus than die a slow, agonizing death of a horrible, painful, cancerous disease.

Speaker 33 Just boom, powerbomb, one, two, three, dominant, boom, there you go. Instead of a five-minute sleeper,

Speaker 33 where

Speaker 33 in wrestling terms, if that's equated to his real life analogy, then about three minutes in, some of the fucking younger generation in the family was talking about plug-pulling.

Speaker 33 Let's just get it over with. It don't look like Gramps is going to kick out.

Speaker 32 What do you think just about what he's saying, though, and the way he's saying it? And again, I'm sure him saying it is better than me reading it.

Speaker 32 But it's that Dwayne Johnson disease or trying to pretend like you're smarter than the moment.

Speaker 33 Artsy Fartsy.

Speaker 32 Artsy Fartsy. Cena doesn't talk like a real human being.
Anything you ever see with him in the press, it's, I've said it before, motivational posters, but it's just he talks in a

Speaker 32 disingenuous kind of way. He gets away with it because he's such a nice guy, but what does he say?

Speaker 33 He talks in a motivating kind of way, but it's no, this, it's just, again,

Speaker 33 nobody wants to see the great wrestling star just give up and just slip away they want to see him go down fighting at least

Speaker 33 and this again they've all convinced themselves that they're actors and they're entertainers and they're movie stars and they're whatever they're telling this deep and profound

Speaker 33 story of emotions and no it's fucking wrestling

Speaker 33 either put the heel over by a fuck or let the baby face triumph in the end or goddamn something, but make it at least exciting.

Speaker 33 And a five-minute struggle with a sleeper at the end of this thing

Speaker 33 was just the flattest fucking way.

Speaker 33 Go to sleep.

Speaker 33 Put him to sleep.

Speaker 33 We can still wake him up. It's not permanent.
But he didn't have to just, ah, it's time for me to go. I've done all I can do.
At last, the end is near.

Speaker 33 And so I face

Speaker 33 the German sleeper.

Speaker 33 I've made

Speaker 33 all the money here

Speaker 33 that I'm going to make

Speaker 33 in this last year.

Speaker 33 So now I'm just going to say,

Speaker 33 fuck the whole goddamn career,

Speaker 33 because I'm just going to tap with a silly smile,

Speaker 33 and then I'm going to leave here.

Speaker 32 Again, Mr. Never

Speaker 32 Gave. Mr.
Never Gave Up gave up. It's such a weird goodbye message to wrestling, and the fans there rejected it categorically.
Whether or not it's a big benefit to Gunther going forward, we'll see.

Speaker 32 But again, you kind of have to.

Speaker 33 It's a big benefit to Gunther. And I love the people saying, oh, he's got heat like the old days.
He has more heat than anybody else around here does these days, but it's not heat like the old days.

Speaker 33 But still, it's positive for him. Again, I'd hate to have been the people in the building that night and spent all that money.

Speaker 33 You didn't get as pissed off when you're just watching on TV as when you actually left your house in that weather to spend that kind of money to go see that.

Speaker 33 But I wish they'd have made it more exciting.

Speaker 33 But, you know, ultimately, they're just

Speaker 33 trying to be way too theatrical

Speaker 33 and impress people on how deep they think about this. And I think they're thinking too deep,

Speaker 33 at least

Speaker 33 in the hole they're putting their heads in, they've gone too deep with this one. That's just silliness to be.

Speaker 32 Did you see the Cena quotes? I'm reading it here. I'm looking at different articles.
The Cena quotes from the same conversation with Cody about the Travis Scott Rock disappearance?

Speaker 33 Oh, yeah, which was kind of, again,

Speaker 33 you know, nothing, no details. Just, well, here we don't have them, and now we do.
And well, we don't.

Speaker 32 Well, he's trying to make it sound like it wasn't a big deal. Neither he nor Rhodes wasted time dwelling on what could have been.
Here's the quote: Hey, you have the Rock and Travis Scott. Awesome.

Speaker 32 We could plan all this stuff.

Speaker 32 Hey, you don't have those two guys anymore.

Speaker 32 Not once than you and I, the whole world has had the conversation of what it would have been like, the two guys in it, with their dick in the dirt, not once had a conversation about, man,

Speaker 32 what would it have been like if we had those guys?

Speaker 32 No, it was what do we do now?

Speaker 32 Let's walk down the hypothetical street. Let's say everyone who showed up at the chamber is active until August.

Speaker 32 That robs us of John Cena,

Speaker 32 Randy Orton. That robs us of John Cena, CM Punk, John Cena Ron Cena, John Cena AJ Styles, John Cena Logan Paul, me and you for the last one.

Speaker 32 So yes, the story that might have been might have had star power and gravity, and who knows what.

Speaker 32 But what we got by just being like,

Speaker 32 these are the pieces left. What we got for me personally was beautiful.

Speaker 33 What is that? Was that Tony Khan?

Speaker 32 Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 33 I completely lost any thread of what the fuck through that whole thing. But that's because.

Speaker 33 They're not allowed to say that Rock came in and fucked shit up and then didn't want to do the shit they were left with when his rapper friend turned tail and took off, or whatever, and it screwed the whole thing up.

Speaker 33 So it's just, let's say a lot of words, and now we've answered the question.

Speaker 32 Hey, one last thing: a weird question that I'm very serious about.

Speaker 32 Should John Cena and WWE paid a little bit of attention to what Tony Khan did for Sting on the way out and the way he handled it?

Speaker 32 Forget about like the semantics of who was in the match or anything else. The spirit around that event and the feeling there.

Speaker 32 Should they have paid attention to that for this?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 33 I think that there was an element of Sting. The reason why I thought that they over-gimmicked Sting's retirement was having them have the tag team titles when it happened.
That was unnecessary.

Speaker 33 It was something that was forced into the thing. But literally everybody that came to Greensboro to see that, which was their biggest show of the year.

Speaker 33 I believe, in terms of attendance or gate or whatever, they wanted to see Sting win. They didn't want to see Sting lose.
Sting was not going to,

Speaker 33 at that point,

Speaker 33 on that night, create a new superstar.

Speaker 33 Sometimes you got to give the people what they want to see.

Speaker 33 And as I said, I think you could have done, if you tried, they had a year with John in singles matches with all kinds of top talent to work with at his disposal.

Speaker 33 They could have,

Speaker 33 I think, gotten heat on Gunther by

Speaker 33 when they put the belt on John instead of giving it back to Dominic.

Speaker 33 Gunther, I know they think Gunther is above the Intercontinental title, but just done anything to put Gunther over and then still have a final match where he could go out in a more sunny

Speaker 33 situation. Or even if they didn't want to do that and they wanted Gunther to win his very last match, Cena's, then have an exciting finish.

Speaker 33 And Gunther still have a lot of heat, but I wouldn't be bitching about the goddamn match so much. It wouldn't have

Speaker 33 the last five minutes just being immobile. I went as the last time you saw five minutes of a main event wrestling match with that much on the line, and they just lay in one place in the ring.

Speaker 32 Andre the Giant versus Big John stud.

Speaker 33 With all due respect to both involved, I don't think that was as big as this was.

Speaker 33 And the ticket prices were a lot cheaper.

Speaker 33 But anyway, again,

Speaker 33 I'm not saying don't have Gunther win. I'm not saying Gunther, don't have him.

Speaker 33 I'm not saying just make it exciting if that's what you wanted to do. That's the biggest problem I had with it.
And the whole tapping thing with the profound,

Speaker 33 deep emotional meaning, blah. It didn't work.
It doesn't come across to people. They want to see boom, one, two, three, or, oh, my God, I can't breathe.

Speaker 33 I'm unconscious, or some type of urgent tap out because they're having a shit choked out of them. Not like, oh, thank you, my friend.
I'll just tap now.

Speaker 33 Anyhow.

Speaker 33 What do I know, Brian? I'm only a successful business entrepreneur

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Speaker 33 do you do we have enough business entrepreneurs with irons in the fire in the world today or do we need some more in the year 2026 for a new year's resolution iron's expensive

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Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 2 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 11 Celebrate 100 100 years of high-flying dunks, 100 years of show-stopping moves, and 100 years of changing the game.

Speaker 32 Hey, I have some breaking news.

Speaker 33 What is broken?

Speaker 32 This is pretty big. I just got a press release from AEW.
AEW Media sent it to me.

Speaker 32 Hope you're sitting down, Jim.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 I am, but would you like me to lay down?

Speaker 32 White Castle and All-Elite Wrestling tag up for new AEW Bacon Brawl combo.

Speaker 33 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 32 AEW stars Tony Storm, Brody King, Bandito, Big Bill, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Darby Allen, if medically cleared.

Speaker 32 Team up to promote new limited-time combo available for purchase nationwide at White castle locations starting december 27th i can go on but let me get your first thoughts here

Speaker 33 well i'll tell you what if

Speaker 33 this kind of is perfect synergy the marketing campaign the strategy because when you think of something that gives you an inordinate

Speaker 33 stomach pain, a feeling of bloatedness where you're emitting gaseous stenches from your body, you think of White Castle and watch an AEW.

Speaker 32 Well, let's get some of the details here.

Speaker 32 White Castle, America's first fast food hamburger chain, and All-Elite Wrestling, one of the most dynamic brands in professional wrestling, today unveiled the AEW Bacon Brawl Combo, available only for a limited time nationwide, starting December 27th through January 31st, 2026.

Speaker 32 The two iconic brands are partnering once again, White Castle's Bringing the Bacon, and AEW is bringing the brawl for a high-impact, flavorful feast for cravers and wrestling fans, exclusively available only at White Castle locations nationwide.

Speaker 32 The AEW Bacon Brawl combo features two White Castle bacon cheese sliders,

Speaker 32 White Castle crinkle cut fries,

Speaker 32 and a drink, a combo worthy of a true champion's crave.

Speaker 33 What? Wait a minute. Hold on.

Speaker 32 They didn't even include the explosive diarrhea. Amazing.

Speaker 33 Well, besides that, there is literally one ounce of meat in each of each White Castle.

Speaker 33 So they're literally selling you two ounces of hamburger meat with a bunch of bread, some potatoes, and a goddamn syrupy sugar drink.

Speaker 33 And White Castle, as you know, is

Speaker 33 it's

Speaker 33 something that you,

Speaker 33 every once every five years, you realize, oh man, I haven't had white castle in ages.

Speaker 33 I want to have some white castle and then you have it, you realize why that it took you five years to want it again.

Speaker 32 Well, some more info here. I have a quote from the vice president at White Castle, Jamie Richardson.

Speaker 32 AEW and White Castle both know how to bring the intensity.

Speaker 32 And this combo delivers on every level.

Speaker 33 Well, I'll tell you what, I almost almost never got rid of those hemorrhoids that last one cost me.

Speaker 32 The AEW Bacon Brawl combo is bold and built for fans who crave big flavor and big moments.

Speaker 32 Whether they're watching the action.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 big shits.

Speaker 32 Whether they're watching the action or fueling up between matches.

Speaker 33 Letting the fudge monkey out of his cage or dropping the Browns off at the Super Bowl or firing off a chocolate rocket, whatever you might be doing.

Speaker 32 This collaboration will blend the bold flavor of White Castle with the high-intensity spirit of AEW and will have extensive promotion across AEW platforms and select White Castle locations.

Speaker 32 Several stars, Timeless Tony Storm, Brody King, Bandito, Big Bill, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Darby Allen will appear across custom content promoting the AEW bacon brawl combo on AEW programming, such as Darby Allen.

Speaker 32 Now, wait a minute.

Speaker 33 I know Darby Allen's done some dangerous things before, but he's actually going to eat this shit on camera.

Speaker 32 White Castle will also support the promotion with in-restaurant and exterior signage at over 300 locations nationwide, branded creative across digital and mobile channels, and organic social content that will also amplify posts from AEW talent.

Speaker 32 So there you go, big things happening. Fans can purchase a custom limited edition AEW White Castle Luchador mask at shopaew.com and houseofcrave.com starting January 7th.

Speaker 32 It seems like it's seems like if they're going to make a big deal out of it, the combo package needs to be a little better than just.

Speaker 33 Well, that's the thing. You could literally be a vegetarian and eat that combo and not really have.
violated your principles.

Speaker 33 They're so small, but White Castle, 40 years ago, 50 years ago, White Castle was great because that was the only thing open to eat between 10 o'clock at night and 6 next morning.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I remember Uncle Tommy used to bring home a sack of White Castles because they were in those days, they were 19 cents a piece.

Speaker 33 My cousin Larry used to call them death burgers in a coffin.

Speaker 33 I admit that every once in a while,

Speaker 33 I'll say, God damn it, White Castle, boy.

Speaker 33 And after I eat them and I feel like I've I've consumed a wet sponge.

Speaker 33 And I think, boy, I used to be a lot younger, but I never ate that stuff regularly. And me eating fast food every day, you can't, it'll fucking, it'll wrench your guts out.

Speaker 33 And that's what it used to be. Open late and cheap and open on Christmas Day and whatever.

Speaker 33 Now, a while back a few years ago, they had good fish nuggets, believe it or not. Like around Easter time.
I don't know how that came up, but they were also like

Speaker 33 $7 for an order while

Speaker 33 the sliders are 69 cents or whatever they used to be.

Speaker 33 Boy, I'll tell you what,

Speaker 33 those arenas are certainly going to smell like rodeo barns if this promotion is a success. Can you imagine 4,000 people

Speaker 33 all together in the same building that have all just eaten White Castle?

Speaker 33 I've got to turn everybody's skin brown.

Speaker 32 I haven't seen a White Castle since I left Long Island. It was one on Sunrise Highway in Lynnbrook.
And every like five, 10 years or so, you'd be like, oh, we go get that.

Speaker 32 It'll be late at night and you'd regret it so badly. But it would taste good in the moment.
Tastes really good in the moment.

Speaker 33 It goes down better than it fucking comes back up. But anyhow.

Speaker 33 Well, good to know they got that going for them. I guess they did a TV show.
But before we get into that, Brian, is there anything happening in the Christmas season on the Arcadian Vanguard network?

Speaker 32 Oh, thank you very much. A surprise spot here.
Get information about all the shows on Twitter at Super Podcast or on Facebook at facebook.com slash Arcadian Vanguard. The rain has stopped.

Speaker 32 It was the loudest thunder I've heard in a while, the hardest rain, the loudest rain. Wind started blowing stuff.
Now it's just over. And now the sun is coming out.

Speaker 32 And the sun comes out each and every day with the wrestling news.

Speaker 32 Every morning where you find your favorite podcast, get it directly from the wrestlingnews.com or wherever you find your favorite podcast for those of you who have been watching the videos on youtube they will return in 2026 we're actually changing up the way we do videos for the wrestling news stay tuned for that i also want to make mention of shut up and wrestle with brian solomon available at suawpod.com wherever you find your favorite podcast his guest this week one of Jim's friends, not someone I would endorse, but JBL, hear that today, S-U-A-Wpod.com, shut up and wrestle with Brian Solomon.

Speaker 32 And of course, Stick the Wrestling with John McAdam, a look at 1985 as we begin to wrap up the year. They are wrapping up their review of 1985 in Pro Wrestling.

Speaker 32 McAdamPod.com or look for Stick the Wrestling with John McAdam, wherever you find your favorite podcast. And of course, the 605 Super Podcast, the Mothership.

Speaker 32 And Jim's sounds don't work anymore. And it's a pleasant, pleasant thing.

Speaker 32 Oh, I heard some of that. Go through the archive, 605pod.com, available wherever you find your favorite podcasts.

Speaker 32 Stay tuned for more in the future.

Speaker 32 No, it's working. It's not working everyone.

Speaker 33 It was stuck.

Speaker 32 Yeah, I heard that one.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 here, can you hear this? Let me turn it up for you. See, now if you saw what I was doing, you'd know.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, before we ho, ho, ho on down our chimneys for the Christmas break,

Speaker 33 here on the experience, we are going to briefly cover the efforts of this past Wednesday night, December 17th, AEW Dynamite from Manchester, England.

Speaker 33 I wish Billy Robinson had shown up and just stretched everybody.

Speaker 33 Brian, did you like the way they opened this program? Was this abrupt?

Speaker 33 They're really trying to nab the viewer at the start to the point where you think that there was some kind of

Speaker 33 network difficulty and they just cut into the show but they started

Speaker 33 the program as soon as they came up from black they rang the bell roderick strong versus moxley started and sock face started talking like a meth addict

Speaker 33 it's wednesday night you know what that means look at this match we got this other match here's this match and

Speaker 32 what the was it jarringly abrupt to you or are you just used to these things now when it comes to his commentary i'm kind of used to it i watch a lot of this stuff on mute because of him and Shivani specifically.

Speaker 32 But in terms of the match, it was the most abrupt beginning to an episode of Dynamite. And it's interesting because it was taped.
It wasn't live from Manchester.

Speaker 32 And they kept saying Manchester, like every fan must know that's England. Some fans are probably like, why do they keep talking about New Hampshire?

Speaker 33 Well, now it depends on where you live. Some people might say, why are they in Tennessee?

Speaker 32 But that's the other thing, the fact that they did the abrupt open on the show that was already in the can as of a few few hours earlier.

Speaker 33 They go back and forth between

Speaker 33 for whatever reason, they they Tony thinks, okay, we'll hook them this week so they won't go anywhere, we'll jump right into it.

Speaker 33 And then the next week, they will start with a three-minute backstage thing and then have a billboard for 26 different matches. It's

Speaker 33 it's all over the place, but I

Speaker 33 he just makes up the show format each week, depending on his whim. And I'm not talking about changing the matches or the interviews.
I'm talking about how they actually do the television program.

Speaker 33 And there's

Speaker 33 so you jumped right into this thing. And

Speaker 33 again, I love Roderick Strong. I think Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 the way that Roderick Strong has been presented,

Speaker 33 why do you really care?

Speaker 33 It's a Continental Classic tournament match because Tony's stuck with that. He can't even have a regular single elimination tournament.

Speaker 33 He has to have this screwy Japanese inspired round-robin gold block, blue block. And you end up with all these matches that just go on and on.

Speaker 33 And it's just for another belt in a place

Speaker 33 where everybody's got a belt. So

Speaker 33 I didn't want to watch Moxley this close to Christmas. As I was zipping through it,

Speaker 33 I saw even in a tournament match where interference is barred because the plumber's in it,

Speaker 33 they've still got to fight in the back of the arena and they've still got to be forever on the floor with no count out.

Speaker 33 And they've still got to do stupid bumps that take forever to set up and require obvious cooperation.

Speaker 33 And it's a waste of Roddy's talent because he's still technically excellent and

Speaker 33 could be,

Speaker 33 at this point,

Speaker 33 better used to get meaningful people over. But

Speaker 33 they go 20 minutes.

Speaker 33 And then I don't know what the fuck with the finish.

Speaker 33 Roddy's going for Moxley's leg to put him back in the crab or the sharpshooter, whatever the fuck. Moxley kicks Roddy off.
He goes to the floor.

Speaker 33 He slides back in, and Moxley hits his DDT out of nowhere.

Speaker 33 And they both sell for a while. And then Moxley covers two count.

Speaker 33 And then they both sell some more. And Moxley picks him up and gives him a bigger double-arm DDT

Speaker 33 and covers him one, two, three.

Speaker 32 What the.

Speaker 33 He could have beat him with the DDT the first time.

Speaker 33 Why would

Speaker 33 they've got to slow everything down at the end and then do it in an anticlimactic fashion?

Speaker 33 Did you understand that or were you caring?

Speaker 32 I hate the layout of almost every single Jon Moxley match I watch. And that includes the finishes.
Yeah, I didn't, it wasn't a surprise who won.

Speaker 32 It was a surprise they went as long as they did. The match didn't end until I, what, 20-something minutes into the show?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 32 I mean, it went a long while.

Speaker 32 And then, you know, I don't know, that's the thing in wrestling right now. Just the kind of fucking lame dick finish.

Speaker 32 Just a finish out of nowhere nowhere that isn't as exciting as the last one I saw, or you get choked out and you smile, or whatever it is.

Speaker 33 The second DDT looked better than the first one. If he'd have done that the first time and covered him and beat him, it would have been perfect.

Speaker 33 But instead, he hits him, boom, and then they sell, and then he covers him, he kicks out, then he just picks him up and does the same thing.

Speaker 32 Did you see the Moxley promo later in the show?

Speaker 33 In the back? No, I saw he was talking. That's why I didn't see it.
But what, do you know what he said

Speaker 32 you know it's just a similar thought i had when watching the adam page swerve samoa joe confrontation before mjf arrived just there are people who think this guy is like the great talker

Speaker 32 and his promo sucks

Speaker 32 that was my only thought i was hoping you would back it up because you're the expert and i'm you know the

Speaker 32 silly little co-host

Speaker 33 That's why, well, you silly little thing. It's a silly little co-host.

Speaker 33 And that's why I don't watch him anymore because it just drones on, slobbering and sniffing and saying the same shit, the incomprehensible stuff. Nobody still understands

Speaker 33 what he was trying to save the company from, or save it for himself, or save it from them, or save who from what.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 boy, he had to make sure that they all bled to bring out the best in it. What the fuck? Nobody knows.

Speaker 33 It was gibberish to everybody except him and his head.

Speaker 33 Speaking of gibberish in people's heads,

Speaker 33 is this million dollars, Brian, that they keep putting up, is that like the same million that they keep putting up?

Speaker 33 Because there's some people that win the million and then they're not involved in the next time the million's up. And I'm just wondering, do those people get paid off and bought out of their position?

Speaker 33 Or are they using a different million dollars? Or is it just a fucking duffel bag with a bunch of goddamn toilet paper shoved in it?

Speaker 32 Have they overexposed a million dollars to the point where he doesn't mean as much as he used to when you only saw him once every?

Speaker 32 Actually, you never really saw him. There was never any million-dollar match, not in the last 40 years ago.
We saw million-dollar matches,

Speaker 32 and now it's just non-stop this feud over bags of money.

Speaker 33 So, six-man tag for a million, one million dollars.

Speaker 33 Kenny and the Hardley boys against Chi-Chi-Chi-Chia and take a shit and O'Boring. Again, didn't they do this before?

Speaker 33 But Alexander had won some money at one point, I think.

Speaker 33 It's the same fucking guys because these are the friends section,

Speaker 33 and they all want to work with each other because they do the same shit all the time.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 they did what they always do, do, and way too much of it.

Speaker 33 And it's especially obvious now. And even

Speaker 33 Aubrey later on in the girls' match, I've noticed this also.

Speaker 33 She's not even trying to go through the motions of refereeing. Because when the girls just jump in without tagging, or, oh, we got a spot coming up where it's two-on-one.

Speaker 33 So she'll just stand with that quizzical look, like she can't figure out how many times to pound her hoof on the ground when you say what's three plus three.

Speaker 33 So they just do all the shit that they normally do.

Speaker 33 And then about 15, 16 minutes in,

Speaker 33 they tagged Kenny in with O'Boring. And remember,

Speaker 33 this is these people's dream confrontation.

Speaker 33 A guy that,

Speaker 33 to be charitable, his better days are behind him versus a guy who,

Speaker 33 I don't know if he had better days at this point. You got one's fucking nearly crippled, the other one's asleep.

Speaker 33 And when Kenny and

Speaker 33 Lazy Boy

Speaker 33 get in the ring with each other, all the partners just got out on the floor and just stood there and stared at it. So they could have, like,

Speaker 33 oh, the stage is theirs now. They're going to do a solo.

Speaker 33 They can't even keep up the pretense of having a fucking match. They don't know how.

Speaker 33 And then,

Speaker 33 O'Boring and Kenny, they circle each other. They go head to head.
They trash talk.

Speaker 33 And I swear to God, then they stood there and traded forearms and made funny faces.

Speaker 33 16 forearms, a punch, and a chop.

Speaker 33 Nobody took a bump.

Speaker 33 Then they started a back and forth deal where they evaded each other's moves. And then all four other guys just ran it at 100 miles an hour and everybody did shit to each other.

Speaker 33 And a referee stood there slack-jawed and threw the

Speaker 33 and it went minutes more after that.

Speaker 33 And finally, and

Speaker 33 I haven't seen the recap yet, Brian, but is this what

Speaker 33 Uncle Dave calls one of the creative, innovative moves that all all these chuckle fucks are known for.

Speaker 33 Kenny gets Chichi Chia up for the one-winged fairy,

Speaker 33 but then the buckaroos line up, and Nikki

Speaker 33 runs and cheerleader vaults over Maddie

Speaker 33 and grabs Chia to go down with him when Kenny gives him the super fairy.

Speaker 33 One, two, three.

Speaker 33 What is the difference in this and cheerleading when they, every once in a while, punch each other?

Speaker 32 I can't answer that. I mean,

Speaker 32 my thought during this match, seeing Omega, seeing the Bucs, Hokkata,

Speaker 32 it was almost like slamboree

Speaker 32 for this group of guys. It's like they're all doing the same shit they used to do, or at least what they do is the same shit they used to do.
They can't all do the same shit they used to do because

Speaker 32 we won't see them. They do like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 32 They'll disappear off TV for a while.

Speaker 32 But, you know, there's a fan base that really loved that and invested in it years ago, and they're still into it. They get overlooked at.
It's like Richard Simmons against Perry Como.

Speaker 32 They can overlook that, but some of us can't.

Speaker 32 It hit me watching Elkada. He's like the Perry Como of wrestling.
He just stands there and fucking doesn't do anything.

Speaker 33 You know what? To check and see whether he's submitting, the referee ought to hold a mirror up to his mouth.

Speaker 32 And they did a bunch of the Okada Takesh to fucking, again, they become mute and they just get in each other's faces and no one can talk and also no one can do anything.

Speaker 32 And the crowd for a large part of the match sat there and didn't make a sound.

Speaker 32 They popped for like the greatest hit spots the same way you would at Slamboree if, you know, like one of the legends, all the, oh my God, Dory Funk's going for the toe hold.

Speaker 32 Because that's what it is to these fans. They're seeing like the greatest hits.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 Omega looks rough. I'm telling you.
I want to see him work a long singles match one time in the next year. Why? I got to see it.

Speaker 33 Oh, good lord. Well, anyway, back to this thing.

Speaker 33 So.

Speaker 32 Thanks for getting me going.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 you're welcome. Well, you pissed me off earlier.
So the babyfaces have won the thing. Well, Don's got the bag

Speaker 33 of a million dollars, and he tries to sneak out.

Speaker 33 But the babyfaces look like they're going to catch him, but the heels jump the babyfaces. Well, Kenny rolled out.
I guess he can't take any big moves.

Speaker 33 But Oboring and Take a shit took turns laying out the buckaroos with their various big moves and then argued with each other until Kenny came in with a push broom

Speaker 33 and scared him off. And

Speaker 33 Don forgot to take the money.

Speaker 33 They left the, he left the money, the bag

Speaker 33 sitting there. So,

Speaker 33 Brian, if you've got a million dollars that you don't want to give up, are you going to forget, even though nobody's touched you, to you're just going to run off and leave it?

Speaker 33 Are you going to take it with you?

Speaker 32 Yeah, I would think you would take it with you. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Well, he didn't.

Speaker 33 So the babyface has got the bag of a million dollars. We didn't see any of it, but they got the bag.

Speaker 32 How does that work for taxation?

Speaker 32 Because this transaction is happening in Manchester, not in the United States.

Speaker 32 How are they going to bring back?

Speaker 32 How does that work?

Speaker 33 That's an idea. Did they get like pounds and they're going to have to convert it? What's the conversion rate? Did they get jacked on that? And I think there's a fee.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 It's just so ridiculous that they can't even take their own program seriously and that Tony is stuck.

Speaker 33 Tournament match, put up money, multiple man match.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I don't know he's going to get any

Speaker 33 get out of this because his

Speaker 33 His booking for years has been bizarre, but now this is, it's just stuck.

Speaker 32 Anyway, it's the talent, though. He's stuck with the talent he has.
There's no, we haven't seen any signs of it.

Speaker 33 Just because he doesn't have any stars doesn't mean he has to put a million dollars up in a match every week.

Speaker 32 Well, that's true.

Speaker 33 That's true. Two goofy fucking EVPs have some ridiculous story that they think people give a shit about that involves a million dollars because they lost all their money because they went to Vegas.

Speaker 33 And Nick is obviously such a fucking horrible gambler. What the? It's just so stupid.

Speaker 33 So then we had the contract signing because Brian,

Speaker 33 they got a pay-per-view in about 10 days or so from this television show.

Speaker 33 And the world title is going to be on the line. And Tony has come up with the revolutionary idea.

Speaker 33 where they're going to have a contract signing for a three-way for the world title.

Speaker 33 Nobody's ever seen such a thing. It's been years, so naturally, this is going to be a big deal.

Speaker 33 Hangnail Page, Swerve, and Samoa Joe.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 again, the same pattern.

Speaker 33 Well, now, these two guys, are they going to be able to get along, but the other guy's the heel and blah, blah, blah. The same fucking thing.

Speaker 33 Joe did a nice little promo, signed contract.

Speaker 33 Swerve did an okay little promo, signed contract, basically saying we both hate Joe, but we've got a grudging, weird respect for each other, you and me, Paige, after the blood drinking and the baby terrorizing and the house burning.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Swerve showed that he's somewhat of a mark because,

Speaker 33 and actually, it showed that the tiny little audience that

Speaker 33 AEW has left now, and how that the only most devoted are going

Speaker 33 because he hit Joe with a

Speaker 33 knock or insult line on

Speaker 33 the fake tattoo that he had on his face in TNA in 2007. He didn't even say TNA, he just said that fake tattoo you had in 2007,

Speaker 33 and the people popped.

Speaker 33 Think how narrow casting they're going

Speaker 33 to appeal to the,

Speaker 33 well, I guess there was more people watching tna in 2007 watching this show now more people in england liked it than more than people in america at different times that's true yeah but nevertheless 20 years ago in another promotion

Speaker 33 and he expects and was rewarded with the fact that these are the

Speaker 33 so so devoted marks that they will react to that obscural line. They don't get their own show over

Speaker 33 because they're all marks for they think that everybody remembers everything that happened everywhere in gleat and stardom and whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 And that's another, it's the ring of honor syndrome when all those guys couldn't get over the fact that the wider audience had no idea what they were fucking talking about.

Speaker 33 But at least Swerve didn't go too long.

Speaker 33 And then Paige started.

Speaker 33 And I didn't think this ever was going to end.

Speaker 33 He did a whole promo on Joe.

Speaker 33 And then I say, oh, Jesus, now he's talking to Swerve. And it's this,

Speaker 33 again, he's got his own special style of this unnatural, stilted way of speaking in the growly voice with the grandiose verbiage that's obviously a prepared statement. And he's acting.

Speaker 33 He's not that person. We all know he's a simpering twit.

Speaker 33 This went on quite a while, and then finally he signed the contract. I'm like, Jesus Christ, at least that's him.

Speaker 33 Before I go any further on what happened next, was I too hard on Adam Page's

Speaker 33 filibuster?

Speaker 32 Maybe, just in the sense that I think you were too light on Swerve and Samoa Joe. I thought everyone sucked here.
I didn't believe a word at anyone's mouth here.

Speaker 32 I thought everyone came up with a speech they were happy with. Samoa Joe is a little more polished at not just standing there and reciting something like he's in Macbeth.

Speaker 32 But I didn't buy anything from any of these people. And Swerve just was gibberish.
I don't even know what Swerve's talking about half the time.

Speaker 32 It's about like just a greater thing that I just don't get. I don't know what he's talking about.
And Adam Page is ridiculous.

Speaker 33 I was given the first two more credit for just going short and helping the situation out.

Speaker 33 But nevertheless, then the lights went out.

Speaker 32 I'm sorry.

Speaker 33 The lights went out. Talk about the theater.

Speaker 33 MJF music and a big pop. And again, the devil is back and they're chanting his name and humming his song.
They're literally going, den and dan and dana.

Speaker 33 They sang his instrumental.

Speaker 33 They're starved for the sight of, as Flair used to say, starved for the sight of a real man.

Speaker 33 They're starved for the sight of a star, and he's back, and it's a moment, and they were ready for it. But again,

Speaker 33 the most popular guy in the company, by virtue of the fact that he's the most talented guy in the company,

Speaker 33 the biggest heel is the babyface.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 he comes out, signs the contract, cashes in. It's a four-way match now.

Speaker 33 And I wrote down: this is over 10 minutes in for this segment, and MJF has just started talking. Can I say so? Here we go.
Go ahead.

Speaker 32 I actually thought for a second,

Speaker 32 just a second, because they quickly showed what they were going to do. When MJF came in, signed the contract, Shivani announced that he's cashing in.

Speaker 32 The crowd really reacted. I thought to myself, he should leave right now, not say anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 Get out. Yeah.
Get out.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 33 Here's the thing.

Speaker 33 MJF proceeds for the next almost 10 minutes to give, as he often does, a virtuoso verbal performance.

Speaker 33 Delivery great. Inflection great.
He didn't go too heavy on.

Speaker 33 trashing the town and the people because he couldn't because they're fucking kissing his ass

Speaker 33 his material is wonderful

Speaker 33 but the way that they've

Speaker 33 presented this whole thing,

Speaker 33 these other three guys have to stand there and listen to this guy just verbally dissect them,

Speaker 33 tear them apart.

Speaker 33 None of the three of them have the verbal ability to come back in any way, shape, or form.

Speaker 33 And they just got to take it.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 his reason

Speaker 33 for

Speaker 33 getting a four-way, he he said, Well, I could have just beat one of you or whatever, but he wants to prove that he's not a coward and that he wants to beat Samoa Joe because he hates Joe.

Speaker 33 Because when he beat me, then the fans turned on me. So I'm going to end his reign

Speaker 33 and Swerve, who he compared to Diddy.

Speaker 33 We've known each other since the Indies. I knew you since you went to the WWE and twerked for top dollar.

Speaker 33 again again for the inside fans but

Speaker 32 and swear i've stood there and then he no-sold it in a sentence but he just stood there while he's saying this and the crowd's oohing at it

Speaker 33 and then the whole thing with paige

Speaker 33 but again a masterful job of tearing these guys down but they have to stand there and listen to it forever

Speaker 33 And before he even started, they had to stand there and listen to the other three forever.

Speaker 33 Because the rule was nobody was allowed to get physical.

Speaker 33 Then, fucking, why is anybody ever allowed to get physical when they're not supposed to? There's no

Speaker 33 universal logic in this whole goddamn show.

Speaker 33 It's like just whatever the fuck. So

Speaker 33 it's not Swerve's house. It's MJF's house, and the rent is due, and the devil's back to collect.

Speaker 33 And he ended it with his catchphrase, and the fans did the last line.

Speaker 33 And we had a 20-minute segment. We got a four-way for the world title.
And my God, doesn't MJF have to beat it or have to win it?

Speaker 33 So, Joe just won, but

Speaker 33 that was temporary.

Speaker 33 But in Tony's mind,

Speaker 33 this means that the people will be clamoring to see MJF against Page and MJF against Swerve

Speaker 33 because

Speaker 33 they didn't see those single matches yet.

Speaker 33 He's giving them a four-way. He does it backwards.
He gives them a four-way that he's going to book singles matches.

Speaker 33 And his heel

Speaker 33 is more popular than both his baby faces.

Speaker 33 Help me out, Brian.

Speaker 32 I can't help you out, just like I can't help Tony out.

Speaker 32 No,

Speaker 32 you know, that's the dilemma. I thought MJF's promo was the highlight of the show.
I also thought it was ill-timed.

Speaker 32 And I thought he should have gotten as soon as he came in there looking a little different. Different haircut.
I haven't seen him in a while. Big reaction.

Speaker 32 And you had to assume he would get a big reaction returning. Haven't signed that contract.
Announced it's a four-way.

Speaker 32 Get out of there. Save the promo till next week.
Is there a next week? Is that Christmas? But whatever. Save the promo.

Speaker 33 Well, it's Christmas Eve.

Speaker 32 So, I mean, I guess now that I think about it, I guess they did kind of have to rush all this in. Well, for the pay-per-view that's coming up.

Speaker 33 What about since you write the fucking show and it's all made up, back everything up a week so you'd have more time?

Speaker 32 But he dressed down the three of them, and I agreed with just about everything he said. Samoa Joe, he's got in his face.
That was a different kind of thing, but what's holding them back?

Speaker 32 Not hooking Hobbs. They were just standing there.
What's holding them back?

Speaker 32 What's their agreement? They don't have any agreement. They're not part of the match.

Speaker 33 No, that's they. They covered that.
They said, if anybody gets physical, well, you won't be able to be in the match, boys.

Speaker 33 And then, okay, then

Speaker 33 it's like with the tournament the idiot set up where there can be no interference. Then you've established that the promotion can control it.

Speaker 33 So the next time the heel does something, it's not his fault. It's the promotions for not controlling it because they can when they want to.

Speaker 33 The logic can't just be changed from week to week and segment to segment to fit your goddamn needs. That's the definition of lazy booking.

Speaker 32 The person who held the microphone and was hosting the segment was Tony Schiavani until Samoa Joe stole it from him. We've seen him beat up and attacked.
The person who made the edict was Tony Khan.

Speaker 32 We've seen him beat up and attacked.

Speaker 32 Why didn't they just make it don't beat me up and attack? situations. But to your point,

Speaker 32 there's no consistency from one segment to the next with AEW, from one match to the next, or from week to week. It's just whatever he thinks he wants in the moment.

Speaker 33 And that's why we get what we get, which is all over the page. I mean, you know,

Speaker 33 you could probably try to start thinking before the show goes on to you. I wonder how many times that they'll fight in the crowd or how many times somebody will dive off the top rope.
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I have nothing else to say because this is not the one where I read all that shit.

Speaker 32 Well, we will now go back to

Speaker 32 the Wednesday Night Spectacular known as Dynamite.

Speaker 33 Speaking of watching all that shit, did you watch the 8-man tag with Tony Storm and Mina Mellons and Willow and Harley against Mercedes Moon and Megan Brain and Athena and Marina Schaefer?

Speaker 32 It would be a eight-woman tag, not eight-man tag.

Speaker 33 Ah, did you watch it?

Speaker 32 I saw the

Speaker 32 entrances.

Speaker 32 I saw the entrances, and I tried to watch a little bit of it, but.

Speaker 33 But you didn't really watch it? Good.

Speaker 32 Did you watch it? Hold on. Did you watch it?

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 32 So what are you ripping?

Speaker 33 I'm, I'm, it's the sanity clause.

Speaker 33 See, with a party of the first part, oh, let's take out.

Speaker 33 Then the party of the second part, nah, we don't want that party either. Now we're just left with the sanity clause.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 there was a tournament match, Brian,

Speaker 33 with Kyle Felcher against PAC.

Speaker 33 So now we've got,

Speaker 33 I'm thinking it's a heel versus heel match for no good reason except this screwy tournament. But at least maybe they can

Speaker 33 relieve some of the damage they did when

Speaker 33 Hong Kong Fui beat Kyle the other night.

Speaker 33 Kyle can get a win back over this muscular fellow and try to redeem himself somewhat. That's what I'm thinking is going to happen.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 32 that's what everyone had to be thinking would happen, quite frankly.

Speaker 33 Well, because that's what should have fucking happened.

Speaker 33 But they, again, they go. I don't know how long they went.
And finally, Kyle is going to give PAC the brainbuster on the top turnbuckle, like that's ever a good idea.

Speaker 33 I saw

Speaker 33 they had quotes from Kyle did some kind of interview somewhere, said, well, they had a call, him and Fatass Davis as a tag team, had a call with the WWE.

Speaker 33 But he went with AEW because he felt like he could do more of what his vision of wrestling is there. And that's the problem.

Speaker 33 And by the way, the dumb shit wasn't

Speaker 33 self-aware or confident enough to realize that he shouldn't be talking to the WWE as a tag team with this old fat guy.

Speaker 33 He should have been saying, can you get me into NXT so I can learn to be a multi-millionaire?

Speaker 33 But nevertheless,

Speaker 33 Kyle went for the brainbuster on the top turnbuckle, but PAC blocked it.

Speaker 33 And they gingerly got into position as time stood still.

Speaker 33 Where Kyle is holding on, bent over, and allows Pack to climb on his back, piggyback,

Speaker 33 while they're standing on the turnbuckles, so that Pack can then give him a reverse hurricane rana off the top rope.

Speaker 33 And when they take the bump,

Speaker 33 does Pack cover the guy?

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 33 He jumps up and goes to the opposite turnbuckle on the other side of the ring while Kyle Felcher is literally scooting himself on his ass into the proper position

Speaker 33 for Pack to come off the other top turnbuckle.

Speaker 33 And he took forever to get up there and get his balance and then did a flippy turny splash. One, two, three.

Speaker 33 They beat him again

Speaker 33 and in the fakest finish that is possible. It's like

Speaker 33 they don't comprehend Kyle laying there.

Speaker 33 He thinks that there's 10,000 people in this building and they're not going to notice him plainly and obviously scooching himself over to the ropes so that this other nitwit who's just given him a devastating finish off the top rope

Speaker 33 can do another one.

Speaker 33 He was going to win anyway.

Speaker 33 He gave him a hurricane run off the top rope on his fucking head.

Speaker 33 What the fuck? But the dead body has to reanimate itself to slide over there where he can jump on him again.

Speaker 33 Did you even care by that point, or did you see this abomination?

Speaker 32 I saw the finish. I saw some of the match.
I saw the intro where Pac

Speaker 32 sets up a chair and sits with his back to the ring while Garcia and Yuda, you know, chew bubblegum and, you know, whisper jokes to each other. I don't know what's happening back there.
Very dramatic.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 I don't think anyone thought he would win, but it's the Continental Classic. Everyone's got to lose.

Speaker 33 That's the problem.

Speaker 32 And this is, if we had quarter hours, I'd put money on this being where the majority of the audience gave up for the rest of the night.

Speaker 33 The tipping point. Boy, we missed the quarters.
Yeah.

Speaker 32 I bet you it would be here, though.

Speaker 33 Well, because next

Speaker 33 was the Dynamite Diamond Ring Battle Royal that they do annually, which ran over into collision because we're already at 10 o'clock at night, but they had a special collision from 10 to 11.

Speaker 33 And the Battle Royal was Ricochet, his two Stooges, Fat Ass Davis, Bandito,

Speaker 33 Alexander, Shelton, Dino, Bowens,

Speaker 33 some other,

Speaker 33 as a job guide, a recognition, I don't know who the fuck.

Speaker 33 This has been MJF's thing

Speaker 33 since the very first year. Correct me if I'm wrong,

Speaker 33 but didn't they always have it where you enter the battle royal and win the ring, and then the previous winner defends against the God? MJF's been in the deal all five years in a row.

Speaker 33 And suddenly, and he still uses the ring in the finishes of his matches.

Speaker 33 But now they do the dynamite, diamond, ring battle royal thing. He's not in it.

Speaker 33 He's not talked about. He's not mentioned.
Nobody ever said, well, he's decided to give up

Speaker 33 the defense of this. Does this make sense, Brian?

Speaker 32 No.

Speaker 33 Okay.

Speaker 33 So.

Speaker 32 again, I don't watch a lot of this with the sound on anymore because I hate the commentary, and I'm not alone. So I don't know what they said.

Speaker 33 But that's the thing. They didn't say anything about MJF.
He was a non-entity in this situation, which the dynamite diamond ring, that's his gimmick.

Speaker 33 But they just had another one. And now Bandito and Ricochet are the last two guys.

Speaker 33 So that means they come back next week and wrestle for the ring.

Speaker 33 Does MJF have to give the ring up or are they getting a new ring?

Speaker 33 If MJF didn't have to give the ring up, then why has he been doing winning the same ring for the last five fucking years?

Speaker 33 Okay.

Speaker 33 Then we had a tournament match again.

Speaker 33 I swear to God, they had this on national television. Pockets against Mascara Dorito.

Speaker 33 13 minutes of national television time

Speaker 33 because now they're into collision. And as you mentioned,

Speaker 33 we hit our tipping point, and it's

Speaker 33 free falling.

Speaker 33 I'm free.

Speaker 32 Free falling.

Speaker 33 Somebody told me that the key I sing in, Brian, is skeleton.

Speaker 32 That's pretty good.

Speaker 32 Except your key doesn't fit into anything, so I don't know about that.

Speaker 33 Well, I got the key that can open many doors. I got a brand new pair of roller skates.
You got a brand new key.

Speaker 33 I wish we could get together and try them on to see.

Speaker 32 You sound like rusty roller skates.

Speaker 33 Well, Melanie had a hard life. So speaking of Melanie, she should have been in this next match instead of who was in it.
Jamie Hayter and Isla Dawn.

Speaker 33 And after about

Speaker 32 I just started fast-forwarding. That was Isla Dawn from WWE.

Speaker 33 Apparently, that's what they called her.

Speaker 32 She was teamed with what? Um,

Speaker 32 Alba Fire, right?

Speaker 33 Uh, ah, that's right, Fire and Dawn.

Speaker 32 Alba and Isla. That famous combination of fire and dawn.

Speaker 33 So, this was another 10 minutes, and Jamie won. And then three of the heels jumped her and kicked the shit out of her.
But Statlander came in and made a big save and beat all the the heels up.

Speaker 33 But Jamie Hayter,

Speaker 33 in an awkward spot that they had to stutter steps, set up,

Speaker 33 accidentally clotheslined Statlander by accident, but then wasn't upset about it.

Speaker 33 And while

Speaker 33 the heels that had attacked her ran off,

Speaker 33 Jamie Hayter picked up the belt that Statlander had run in the ring with and dropped it on her because fuck her. She just saved me, so I don't care.

Speaker 33 It all makes sense to them.

Speaker 33 Any comments before we go to the main event, Brian?

Speaker 32 Oh, it's all been a main event so far, Jim. I don't think anyone can dismiss these amazing matches.

Speaker 33 Well, let's dismiss this one. For the World Tag Team title, FTR defended against Juice Robinson and Austin Gunn.

Speaker 33 And again, I love Juice.

Speaker 33 I like the Guns as a team because they're brothers. They worked hard.
They fucking tried hard.

Speaker 33 I love Juice because he's different and he can work and he can talk and he's got a gimmick. He's not just some interchangeable douchey indie dip shit like most of the rest of these guys.

Speaker 33 But again,

Speaker 33 FTR tried to do every tag team spot ever. I saw some Southern Boys Midnight Express from the 1990 Baltimore Bash.
I saw

Speaker 33 variations of different tag team spots and swerves and maneuvers. And

Speaker 33 it went past 11 o'clock into their runover of their runover.

Speaker 33 How do Juice Robinson and Austin Gunn get a world tag team title match? Have we ever seen them team up on this program before?

Speaker 32 I don't think so. I think I saw them get together, but that may have been a pay-per-view.

Speaker 33 They're part of the overall gangbang gang that they've had going on or whatever.

Speaker 32 No, but now that each of their gangbang friends is gone, they got together to have their own little gang.

Speaker 33 Gangbang.

Speaker 33 It's a mini-bang.

Speaker 32 That's going to be the worst thing ever. When Jay White finally fucking returns and we have to hear that, I'm a bang bang, gang, bang, bang.
Just those fucking awful promos.

Speaker 32 Now I really hate everyone.

Speaker 33 But no, think about this.

Speaker 33 If Jay White comes back and they smarten up and they tell him just shut up and just be Juice's partner and Juice runs the team and Juice does the promos, they could have a rematch with FTR and I'd watch that because that was the best match that they've ever had in AEW.

Speaker 33 And it's been a couple of years. They might want to do it again.

Speaker 33 But FTR versus Juice and Austin Gunn.

Speaker 33 Past 11 o'clock when they're going 100 miles an hour doing every false finish in every fucking spot known to man.

Speaker 33 They didn't lose the belt. So let's put it that way.
That's what happened,

Speaker 33 and that's where we are.

Speaker 32 Well, those were the ratings.

Speaker 33 AEW,

Speaker 33 they weren't.

Speaker 33 And again, you know, I know a lot of people are saying, gosh, we missed the quarter hours, we missed the ratings. The quarter hours don't come at all anymore.
The ratings come late.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 AEW is on Wednesday nights is firmly in the high 400s to mid-500s thousand people.

Speaker 33 That's where they're sitting right now after the

Speaker 33 manner, the method, methodology change. And

Speaker 33 what's the show on Saturday? Goddamn collision

Speaker 33 is at 200 and something thousand.

Speaker 33 And all of the WWE programs are down for the WWE programs, and they still dwarf everything everybody else is doing. So So,

Speaker 33 Merry Christmas.

Speaker 32 Well, this is your show. I don't know if that was the.
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 33 Then that means we get to leave anytime I say.

Speaker 32 Well, technically, I guess that's true. Yes.

Speaker 33 Well, in that case, folks, again, this is the last experience before Christmas. We're taking a little break.
We'll be back with the drive-through.

Speaker 33 That'll be live and first run and all that good stuff in a few days. And then we have the omnibi and and various things that will tickle people's fancies.

Speaker 32 And actually, next week's experience will be a new experience. It may not be the latest wrestling news, but it's a brand new episode.
No one's heard.

Speaker 33 I was gonna do that. See, you would, I was saving the best for last.
I was gonna go, we're gonna have some omnibi, we're gonna have some special things to tickle the people's

Speaker 33 funny bones, and also we will have a wrestling history

Speaker 33 heavy episode of the Jim Cornette experience next week for just fine, relaxing holiday listening since it doesn't have to be evergreen news bulletins. That's where I was going with that.

Speaker 32 And of course, major shit will happen. We'll be back with breaking news updates on YouTube.

Speaker 33 Oh, stop it. No, I don't want anybody to break any news until after January 1st so that we can take our time fixing it.

Speaker 33 Anyway, but otherwise, Anat, thanks everybody for a great year, the support and the listenership.

Speaker 33 We appreciate everybody's

Speaker 33 love and love is in the air, and we will hopefully deserve this in 2026. Since you've given it to us already, we'll do something next year to earn it.
Until then, for Brian, I am Jim.

Speaker 33 Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Festivus,

Speaker 33 and everything that everybody does for the rest of us. Thank you.

Speaker 24 Fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.

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