Episode 586: Projectile Blood Spewing

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Hello again, everybody, and welcome to the Jim Cornette Experience.

Today, before we discuss AEW's bogus projectile blood spewing segment, we're going to dive into the viewer mailbag, and we're also going to talk about how wrestlers made money before the billionaires.

All that, and so much more today.

And joining me for that, that, this, and the other thing.

Hi, Hawaii and Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr.

Co-host to you.

If you're losing blood, he'll tell you when you're two quarts low.

Be great, Brian, last, everybody.

Aloha, Jim.

A pleasure to be here once again.

I never know the exact speed and what exactly you're going to say, so I timed it wrong.

But we're going to have a good show today, right on time.

Apparently, I never know what I'm going to say either.

I couldn't get that out.

I've had a horrible shock this morning, but you know, two quarts low, you remember that, don't you?

Let me know when she's two quarts low.

You don't listen to me anymore.

I told that story as recently as five to seven years ago.

It's an old story, and I remember that line, and I don't remember any other part of the story.

This young lady fan in the Smoky Mountain wrestling area just became enamored of primetime Brian Lee.

And she started going to the Mad.

I can't remember.

She's from the Knoxville area, but she was going to all the spot shows and everything.

And she'd bring him cards and flowers and things.

And there was, as far as I'm aware, there was nothing going on.

It didn't, the whole visual thing didn't match up, right?

There was nothing going on, but she loved Brian Lee, as many of the fans back then

did love the baby faces.

But she got then more enamored and found his home number.

He was living in Nashville.

He was married at the time, right?

He'd come out to Knoxville for the weekends.

Well, his wife can't see, you know, the demeanor of this young lady or her appearance or the overall.

She can't eyeball it on the phone.

This girl starts calling for Brian on the phone.

So, of course, his wife is going, Hey, who's Ethel Lipschitz calling for you, right?

So, finally,

it got so far as Brian was sitting at home in Nashville one night with his wife, and the phone rings.

This girl had had some kind of medical issue

and had some type of bleeding.

I don't think she was cut by a chainsaw or whatever the fuck.

But

in the emergency call from the hospital, instead of her having them call like

family member or whatever, apparently she had them call Brian Lee, let him know I'm bleeding.

So the phone rings and his wife answers it.

And it's the hospital calling about ethylips.

This sounds like a goddamn WC Fields routine.

Why is the maternity hospital calling you?

And Brian Lee grabs the phone and says, So she's losing blood.

And they said, Yes.

He said, Let me know when the bitch is two quarts low and hung up the phone.

I think she recovered.

That's the next question.

Did she recover?

Yeah, I think she was fine.

I think she was

looking for possibly an excuse to call Brian Lee's house and get some sympathy.

But anyway, I had a horrible

experience this morning, just not even this morning, just minutes before we have been scheduled to do this fine program today.

And it served.

Do you have the cicadas, as they call them?

But Mama Cornette always called them the locusts.

Ah, the locusts are back, as in Plague of Locusts.

So that's what I call them.

Do you, you've got the locusts or do you up there?

We do.

I haven't heard them right now.

I don't think they're here this time of year, but we've

they stepped out for a minute, but did they leave us and we'll be back at two o'clock?

You heard, you haven't had it like we, because down here, this is the locust belt, apparently.

And I played, I did play for you.

I've let you hear what it sounded like.

When I was on the phone with you here last week or whatever, we go outside.

It sounds like the soundtrack soundtrack to them,

the giant radioactive ant movie from 1953.

You will agree, they're very loud, right?

You've heard this.

Well, I heard them.

You have loud locus.

I didn't say I didn't have them.

I said, I don't have the cicadas right now.

They're not out.

They're not buzzing.

They're not making noise.

I'd be complaining if they were.

Well, but no, they make noise constantly unless it's raining or at night.

If the sun is shining, If it's daytime, they're making noise.

But you would think, and this is what I thought, and I've been found, I've been proven wrong, Brian.

Mark this date down.

I thought the reason why those fucking things were so loud is because they're in all the trees and there's millions of them, right?

And I'm figuring, you know, each one goes

and then, you know, it's magnified by a million times.

That's why it sounds like a science fiction movie.

Oh, no.

Oh, contrare, moan frayer.

Talk to one of these son of a bitches individually.

I double-dog dare you.

I was sitting on the couch in the TV room, as I said, just a little while ago, and I had all of my, I got some viewer mail.

Here are my papers rustling.

I got all of my viewer mail and my notes together and everything.

And I just set the notepad down and leaned back.

And one of these son of a bitches has ridden in on on my shirt or whatever the fuck, and had sat down right on the couch next to me and let out.

It sounded like a smoke detector.

God damn it.

I jumped up off the fucking couch and turned around almost because I had to piss anyway because I'd taken my morning pill

and almost pissed myself.

And I turned around and there's this bug-eyed,

pie-faced, fucking giant, red-headed, winged, goddamn thing.

I said, you son of a bitch.

And I grabbed a handful of Kleenex, right?

And I'm going to snatch the thing, right?

And

neutralize the threat.

And as I grabbed it with that Kleenex, and I'm going to just smother it,

it again, it yelled, it screamed at me.

I could feel it vibrating in my fucking hand, in my grasp, Brian.

It sounded like goddamn, it was screaming, screaming, I tell you.

And then I'm running like I've got cow shit in my hand, holding it out, running to the garage to throw it in the garage trash.

Those son of a bitches are loud.

Have you ever talked to a locust individually?

Again, I've never had a cicada.

No, again, I file this under you should move.

First, there was floods then tornadoes now locusts in your house

locusts in your house that's a sign to move and well no because we mentioned where where are you going to go to because the wildflower canada they got the wildfires why don't they melt their northern half

but they've got wildfires

and not even the tommy rich kind

there's got to be someplace you can't say there ain't no way else so i can't leave here there ain't no place ain't no place.

Ain't no place to go.

But anyway, so that's that.

I want to say,

we're talking about some of the viewers, the cult accordette, the people out there,

talking to some of them today.

Mike from Danville, Illinois,

who we want to send our best wishes.

First of all, he lost his wife to cancer back in February.

She was only 49.

But

he sent a nice letter.

And I got to, hold on.

I'm going to read the exact quote because he said he doesn't even watch wrestling these days.

He just likes to listen to us talk about it, even if he doesn't know who we're talking about.

But he said, I was a big wrestling fan in the glory days of the 70s and 80s.

He grew up on Dick the Bruiser, Ox Baker, et cetera, when wrestling was actually wrestling and the boys were their own men instead of a product, actors reciting written lines and not worried about doing every move in the book, every match.

And that was said so well.

You know, it's one of those things that really stuck out to me this week with AEW specifically, but WWE's none the better.

You know, when I first watched wrestling, and again, this is pretty late

in the life of Kayfabe,

in like 89,

I didn't watch it.

And my first thought wasn't, well, this is a big athlete.

playing a role.

This is a big muscle head reading a script.

And I know you didn't, but it was a different business then

than 1989, obviously.

It was really more reality-based in a lot of ways, just based on the people in it.

But I always find myself thinking about it because I know how I react to it when you watch a lot of these promos, when I watched The New Day a couple of weeks ago on Raw, or when I watched a few of the things on AEW,

it comes across like people reciting things and putting on a performance as opposed to believing in anyone, really believing in anyone.

Believing, not like what they say and what they stand for, just believing they are who they are, believing they are the person standing there.

The key is,

I mean, even if they want to consider themselves actors, and

because they have writers and they're, you know, being given a role to play by the employer, or whatever the quote was,

you still find an actor that can can look and act like the person that they're supposed to be, right?

You don't,

that's the point I think that's lost on a lot of the children in the business these days, both the ones running the businesses and the ones working in the businesses, is just because you concoct this persona for yourself in your head.

doesn't mean that you actually look like that son of a bitch or that you act like them or you talk like them

And there has to be

some element of

logic, realism, and legitimacy in who the guy is supposed to be and how he can connect with the people, the people,

rather than the, you know, just,

oh, let's make,

let's make Joe over there, the goddamn, you know, badass.

And well, look at the state of him.

Well, it doesn't mean he can cut the promo.

He can say all the words.

Well, he doesn't sound like it.

Well, you get the point,

and that's you know, that's the problem that we find is that

the guys that

Mike was talking about, and the guys that you're talking about, and the guys that I saw

didn't consider themselves actors playing a part, and no one else was telling them what to say.

They were being told what to talk about,

but not really really how.

And so they had to come up with what worked for them.

Many succeeded, many failed.

But what worked for them based on what people bought from them, what they sounded like, what they looked like, what kind of personality they could pull off and what their personality was then fleshed it out.

That's why no two,

you know, well, I won't won't say no two guys sounded alike on interviews, but you've got the Terry Funk Dick Slater syndrome, but

there were a few homages.

You know, you got superstar Billy Graham imitators, et cetera, et cetera, but it was all different people.

And they were doing what they thought best.

And some stood and some fell, but at least you got the good stuff.

That's why all the personalities were over

because they were all different, because they were different people

Anywho

Where do oh Brian, do you know where Pawtucket, Rhode Island is?

Yes, I do the Pawtucket Red Sox

Is there?

Oh, are they the ones that kicked the shit out of the Mets this week?

First of all, the Mets have the best record in baseball.

The Mets are the best team in baseball, and they haven't played the Red Sox, though, or they're not playing them anytime soon.

Oh, well, so one of these days the Mets will work up.

That's a minor league team.

The Pawtucket team is a minor league team.

It's not the

Mets had to work up to where they could play the Pawtucket

Pansies or whatever.

Anyway, Jonathan from Pawtucket, if you're listening, he sent me a wonderful letter, an actual letter in the mail,

along with a picture of his father.

His father passed away in February.

He was 69 years old, but his dad was his hero.

And he remembered how happy he was.

He sent me a picture of the Rhode Island Fan Fest I did in 2015

with me and his dad and said he, you know, had a great time that day and sent a real nice letter.

And I just wanted to say hello to Jonathan.

And here is a quote, Brian.

from another member of the cult who shall remain nameless in case he ever wants to get a job again.

But he said to both of us, he enjoys the programs.

He says, just so you know,

I hadn't watched wrestling since I left my video editor position at WWE in 2010.

And I only started again after listening to your shows on Spotify, just so I could see if it's as awful as you and Brian say.

Yeah, it's awful.

I regret everything.

Jesus.

Thanks.

Jesus Christ.

I regret everything.

I regret everything.

We have made him completely turn on the last 15 years of his life sign catalog and he also

well he also uh does offer an invitation he knows i'm not going to come to connecticut but if you come to connecticut he'll take you out for pizza if you use the merit parkway for the entire trip and complain the entire time

well one goes hand in hand with the other naturally yes uh but no i get my own pizza thank you sir and uh

and we want a happy birthday to Hot Rod Rodney Estee down there in beautiful Mississippi.

He gets a little respect once a year on his birthday.

I don't know how old he is.

He's, you know, looks much older than he.

He always has looked much older than he is.

He's a mature person.

John Phil, what's up the camera?

It's a parking lot.

It's not with him, it's not, you know, he doesn't look frivolous like a youngster.

He has the responsible look of an adult and very little hair to go along with happy birthday rod happy birthday also i'm going to withhold another name

but i thought this comment might be interesting brian it's from

what he it's from someone who is unnamed

uh who lives in winnipeg manitoba canada

And he said he's been a loyal listener of the shows for the last five years or so.

And he sent me a few other,

I don't want to narrow down too much who this might be, but he sent me a few other topics on his connection with wrestling.

But he basically says, I was in the same training class group with Kenny Omega in 2000.

And we had many matches early on.

And believe me, Kenny was always athletically gifted, but certainly was not a guy I would sit and chat with longer than 10 minutes as anything in common stopped at that point.

So I just, I thought that was kind of an insight into, it seems like

that's what we kind of figured from

deducing him from watching him on television and hearing his interviews on the interwebs is,

God damn, if I had to talk to this motherfucker for more than five minutes.

That's kind of what we always heard.

We hear from people in AEW.

We haven't heard in a while because we haven't asked anyone, but way back when when things were high and uh hot and heavy you'd hear you know hey what's going on with omega you know he's a nice guy he's just so weird he's just weird

yeah i get along with him i just i can't talk to him he's a weird guy you would hear weird over and over and over again

he looks spaced out he's weird sometimes interspersed with strange

Here's something we might need to discuss for a second here, because we might need to press into service the members of the cult cornet who do the detective work for us here on some occasions.

When we need to find out certain things, Brian, what's going on?

Boots on the ground, maybe Nick Barrett, the sergeant at arms,

maybe he might be able to put his boots on the ground and find out what's going on here because a little birdie that I know informed me of this.

Once again, don't want to publicly

hold anyone up for potential retribution, but have you heard

how low,

this is kind of a silly question.

Have you heard how low Jelly Nutella can stoop?

But have you heard how much lower he is potentially stooping lately?

I'll have to be honest with you.

I haven't heard too much about him other than the sabu thing, so I have no idea where you're going.

Guess what he's apparently selling on his merchandise table now at some of the independent shows across the the country and the nation that he goes to

panties i i don't know no he's he's got those on he don't want to lose those

he is selling pieces of the barbed wire from the barbed wire match of sabu's last match that he was just in

Where was that?

That was in Vegas?

Well, wherever it was.

It was in goddamn Bizarro world for that, you know, for whatever the point is.

But

apparently, it must say my little bird saw someone

holding it who had purchased it at the show that they were at,

a jar with a piece of the barbed wire from his last match with Sabu.

with some kind of label on it, Sabu's last match, barbed wire, whatever the fuck, right?

Come see the blob in person.

It's just a fucking piece of jelly.

Yeah, the strange, incredible thing.

Pay 10 cents a piece, folks.

What do you think it is?

Look inside the jar.

But the

now, here's the thing.

Here's why we need detective work.

Maybe,

maybe

that Jelly is only as slimy as we've already known he is, because that's good enough, and he's not any slimier.

And he's trying to do something to raise some money.

Because you know, since the guy just died, and they put up a go fund me

for his funeral expenses, the family,

one would think that this guy who

was in the ring with him, if he's going to sell the barbed wire, you know, wouldn't you kick back a little bit to the go fund me?

Now, I don't know, maybe

the little bird didn't see the big sign up on the table that said

portion or if I'm a human being, all of the proceeds

will go to Sabu's funeral expenses, family, whatever.

Maybe they didn't see that sign, but if anybody happens to

have a flat tire carburetor go out,

you break down, you walk into some abandoned warehouse, and there's one of the shows that Jelly works on is taking place.

See if he's selling this and see

if he's telling people

that this is going to Sabu.

And

I think somebody at Sabu's family ought to know if he's telling people some of it's going to Sabu.

Are they going to get it or not?

They ought to then be expecting it.

Shouldn't we even hold the

blobs of the

underground wrestling industry to some kind of standard?

If you see a guy selling barbed wire at a wrestling show, and he looks like a half-baked brown and served roll covered in pubic hair,

then ask Jelly:

Hey, are you just profiting off a dead man, or are you kicking back some of this to the estate?

See what he said.

What's next, Brian?

Are they going to start selling the organs?

Big wrestling star dies broke.

Instead of donating a body to science, they fucking donate it to goddamn high spots.

They chop it up and sell pieces.

Wrestlers, uh, typically, especially ones that haven't made millions and millions of dollars, will do anything for money and sell anything for money.

So shouldn't be surprised what will come next.

My only question would be, because, again, I don't know too much about this, so I don't want to comment because I don't know what is going on there, but

If it's the barbed wire from the match and the match was in Vegas and this is a convention somewhere other than Vegas, did they just wrap up all the barbed wire?

Like, how does that work for barbed wire?

If you have a barbed wire match somewhere, do you leave it there and just get new barbed wire when you go someplace else or do you reuse the same barbed wire?

Well, you know, that is a good thing, a good

subject you bring up or a good question.

Excellent question, Shelton, because

Here's the thing, it's jelly.

We don't even know if it's the real barbed wire from the real match.

But if it was,

did he say, okay, wind wind all of it off the ring and then fucking put it in my backpack or my duffel bag or whatever?

Then how do you get it?

Maybe he rides the ring truck.

He's like a wrestling hobo.

He's not flying.

He rode the ring truck back to Asbury Park or wherever he's.

But that's my question.

I've never thought of this before.

Do you re-spool up the barbed wire and use it again, or do you get a new barbed wire for every barbed wire match?

Well,

you're not having them nightly.

Well, some of these people may may be.

I really don't know.

Well,

they don't even work nightly of any show of any kind.

No,

the only comparison that I can think of in the territory days when they were having the same match every night, you had the ring wrapped in barbed wire where they worked it and didn't, you know, fucking go crazy and wrap the tables and everything.

Yeah, you just cut it down and boom, and that was the end of it.

Although somebody with the building

probably ended up taking some of it or maybe, you know, if it's Eddie Marlin, he took it back and used it on his farm or whatever, you know, on Jared's farm or whatever.

But, you know, this idiot, he, and plus, think how much barbed wire that is.

It would have been literally hundreds of feet by the time they finished wrapping everything.

So he can't have all of it.

But again, again, what if he did he check that in his baggage?

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

Can you fly to barbed wire?

Can you fly with barbed wire?

Even if it was just a a little, hey, give me a little bit just so I could bring it to a convention.

Can you fly with barbed wire?

I don't think you, I don't think you can carry it on.

What's this in your bag?

That's barbed wire.

Did he buy an extra suitcase to put barbed wire in to take back home?

Or again, I think he probably rides on the ring truck because, you know, it's the garbage wrestling company, so GCW.

So

he's in with them.

That's why he gets to work on these things.

It's a charity from the money market.

What's the process of disposing of barbed wire?

I don't know.

I'm not in the habit of throwing a lot of barbed wire away.

I would assume that there's some type of, well, you could take it to the dump, I assume, if you're just disposing of it.

If it's old, rusty barbed wire, you wouldn't be trying to reuse it for any purpose.

Perhaps some of the fencing professionals out there

in the audience can tell us what

You know, I've heard that's a big sport these days.

And I'm thinking, how do they really make fencing a sport?

Is it like how many feet you get done in a certain amount of time or how high you can build a thing?

Do you think it would have gone with your gimmick?

Like in the early days, if there was like a vignette video and you took off the hood and it was you trying to fence?

Not necessarily succeeding, but the rich kid doesn't just play tennis, he fences.

Well, actually, you know, we

did something like that one time, but the problem was right before before the guy came in to do the shoot he got

caught with the stolen goods and i wasn't able to buy them from him so but that was going to be how i was making extra money on the side fencing barbed wire so

fencing barbed wire

yes it was it was some It was some gently used barbed wire that had been stolen out of a barbed wire yard, or maybe one of those all-night barbed wire and wicker places.

Have you ever been there?

I've not been to one of these barbed wire and wicker joints.

No.

They used to, well, that leads me into our next story, actually, because it right off the,

I swear, right off the interstate,

interstate 81 up in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

They used to have is where the businesses are clustered at the interstate exit there.

And they used to actually, honest to God, have a business in this little strip mall area that was a lawnmower repair and tax service.

And I've just always enjoyed that.

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But that brings me

to my next email from John.

See, I can give his name because he's not going to get threatened about anything.

But John

is from the Harrisonburg, Virginia area, at least, because he said that he caught a WCW show in Harrisonburg back in probably 1990.

He said, I would have been around 12 years old.

Anyway, he had a question.

He said, that night, Ron Simmons,

working as a babyface, was making his way to the ring, and a fan at the guardrail started mouthing off to Ron.

Ron stopped and exchanged some words with the fan.

The fan then proceeded to spit in Ron's face.

Ron,

in the blink of an eye, jerked this fan over the guardrail and proceeded to shoot on him with rapid punches until the fan was bloody and wobbly.

The Harrisonburg police officers in attendance helped the fan to his feet and then took him out in handcuffs

to the paramedics and probably jail after that, I'm assuming.

A lot of people said it was a work and the fan was a plant.

But being a lifelong fan of 40 plus years, I've never been able to make sense of that.

What would a babyface Ron Simmons have to gain by beating the shit out of a fan unless he was trying to turn heel?

He still had his match that night, worked as a babyface.

Jim, you were there that night with the Midnight Express.

I was just wondering if you have any memory of this or memories of Harrisonburg, Virginia.

Well, first of all, I can see that happening.

I didn't see it, but I can see it in my mind's eye.

And that tickled me just to read that.

You know, to be honest, that was the

dark last year of WCW.

Hence, that's why we were at Harrisonburg High School with a national television show and a fucking touring company of wrestlers making six figures a year.

And we're doing

shows at the Harrisburg High School.

But

at that point in time,

I can pretty much assume that we were, me, Bobby, and Stan were all sitting in the locker room

engaging in some kind of misery, just waiting until our time was

the bell would ring and we could go so we could get the fuck out of there and get back to Charlotte, right?

When did you say this was?

Because babyface Ron Simmons would have been before Doom, so this is 89.

Yeah, well, probably 89 or 90-ish.

Anytime after

that, because Ron Simmons was a heel from mid-89 on.

Okay, but

then that means earlier in 89

tbs still owned the company yeah it could have been the end of 88 end of 88 or 89 that's the only time it could have been okay well well you know better than john because he was 12 years old what 12 year old remembers anything i was nine

but to point well but you've studied since he's had a real life i study but the you study so you can learn

You never stop learning, Brian.

How do you study all this stuff?

It's just sad.

The point being.

The point being,

it's sad to say, I don't even remember Ron coming back and saying,

oh, yeah, I punched the shit out of this guy.

But no, if you spit in Ron Simmons' face where he's a baby face or a heel or in a goddamn coma.

You're getting quote unquote, what was it, rapid punches until you're bloody and wobbly.

But that's the thing at Harrisonburg, because I have different memories.

Crockett actually ran Harrisonburg, Virginia in the Crockett days, and it was like everything else.

Somebody said, you know, well, everything drew in those days, and it did.

And then,

unfortunately,

You know, that's where a lot of the WCW shows ended up, as we've talked about after TBS

took over, and in that they had blown the house show market just completely up, and nobody was coming to the big towns.

They were going to smaller towns around the southeast.

And,

you know, there was no way to make money because of the money they were paying the guys that were, you know, versus

what you could conceivably expect to do.

in Harrisonburg, Virginia, right?

Even if you were hot.

But then

in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, talking about Harrisonburg stories, this is an example of

when you have the right local promoters.

We've been talking about local promoters.

We've done the wrestling history segments lately.

You could have made something of that area in Virginia because there were wrestling fans.

But you need the right people to put the shows together from all aspects of it.

And

in Smoky Mountain, we got,

oh, God, Channel 3 is what it was in Harrison, based out of Harrisonburg, Virginia.

That's a part of Virginia that's not anywhere really around Norfolk or Hampton, but it is farther east and north than Richmond.

And it's not quite as far as whether it could be suburban Washington, D.C., right?

So it's a

nice television station there that serves a wide area of that central Virginia or whatever they call it, that part of the state.

And we got TV there, and the TV station was, you know, very easy to work with.

And we ran a couple of Smoky Mountain shows up there, but the problem was for us, it was 300, depending on whether you were living in Knoxville or Morristown, it was between, I think like 325 and 350 miles away,

straight through Virginia, up the interstate.

And it was its own television market.

So it's not like there was any overlap with anything else that we were doing down there.

And we ran it a couple times, but just with the local group, I can't even remember now, don't have my notes in front of me, at the school sponsoring us.

You know, you could do three or 400 people or 500 people or whatever.

But what we could have, and it wasn't really,

by the time you lug that ring 600 miles up to goddamn interstate and back, and all the boys have gone as far north of the territory as possible just for one show, it wasn't worth it.

You needed to get two or three shows on a weekend in a market like that.

And that's where a guy that lived there locally would have come in handy.

A guy that knew the, and that's why all the Fuller family and the Welches and all these people used to be sent to to all these different places all over the South because they knew the business, they knew how to, how and where to hustle people

and what stores to go to to poster and papers, publicity.

They'd get the ends with the radio station.

And then you find

in your television,

you know, coverage area that goes 70 miles in any direction from Harrisonburg, Virginia, you find two or three towns you can run

once every couple months on a weekend and draw 500 people apiece.

And then you got something

on a territory basis put together.

And that's what we had in eastern Kentucky and in East Tennessee.

But, you know, it just

that was out in the wilderness.

Like that, remember Dennis Chestnut in Barberville, Kentucky.

was a town gad about owned chestnut's tax service, but liked to raise money for the Knox Central High School sports teams there.

And when he took that fucking town, we drew between 750 and 1,000 people once a month in Barberville, Kentucky, which I think was the population.

You've been there once, at least 5,000 people.

I don't know.

I said twice.

You know, so that, but anyway, with Harrisonburg, he asked about Harrisonburg stories.

That was another area that we were hoping to be able to exploit in Smogy Mountain, but, you know, it just, it was too far.

It's too far away to keep an eye on for a local territory.

But

the last time that I went to Harrisonburg, it's me, it's Brian Hildebrand, Mark Curtis, Killer Kyle, and Jimmy Del Rey.

We all rode, because it was so far up there, we all rode together, right?

And when we get out of the matches, there is absolutely nothing open to get anything to eat except Denny's, because this is 30 years ago.

So, all right, well, we're starving before we go six hours.

It's going to be just worse.

We get on the interstate in the middle of the night.

We'll go to Denny's.

We'll wait 20, 30 minutes, hopefully, for food.

We'll eat.

We'll get out of here.

We sit there, we order everything on the menu, you can imagine.

And Kyle could eat better than me.

And I swear to God, we've been sitting there about 20 or 30 minutes.

And just I'm starting to think, oh, is the food ever going to come?

Here comes the waiter.

But this bumblefuck, think about this, Brian.

All four of us, and we're starving, and we're going to be driving for the next six hours.

So we've ordered a lot of food, right?

They didn't send two or three people out carrying shit,

or they didn't send a wheelie cart carrying shit or rolling shit.

They sent this one fucking guy

with about eight dinners on this giant tray,

and he literally gets within 10 feet of us and turns sideways to try to go around a chair on the other table and pitch that thing over his shoulder right at our fucking feet.

Every goddamn every fucking burger and steak and sandwich and fry and sauce and fucking.

and we just looked at it for a second i said is is that ours

and they said oh please bear with us we'll fix this up right away we'll get i said you're gonna start it from scratch it just took half an hour we got to go 300 miles so we had to

and then

Not only did they start it from scratch again, but now it smells, they're scraping it up right next to us.

And it smells so good.

And I'm like, wait, stop.

Did that touch the floor yet?

And

so that's my last time I was in Harrisonburg, Virginia, officially.

I've driven through there a couple of times since then.

What was everyone else's reaction when all of a sudden this guy, did you guys see it coming?

Did you see this guy?

Well, no, it will see it coming.

Did you see like, oh, this guy's got a problem here before he went there?

Well, no, see it coming.

Well, here was the goddamn scene.

It's the middle of,

let's say, 11.15 or 11.30 in Harrisonburg, Virginia.

We're the only ones in this fucking place, practically.

And we're sitting around this table and if they can see us, it's Killer Kyle.

It's me in my striped Zubaz.

Jimmy Del Rey, who stood out like a sore thrum and a sore thrum

and poor Brian.

And so as we're sitting there and we're the only occupants of anything for 20 feet around, here comes this guy carrying what looks like the goddamn Grinch's sled going up Mount Crumpet.

So we saw it coming like they saw the tanks and fucking the streets in goddamn Germany.

And we're watching him as he's coming.

And I was like, is this a good idea?

And then you just as he's going into this giant open area next to us.

All he has to do is step around this one fucking chair.

And he turned, his hip went sideways.

The fucking thing went over over his shoulder

i have some uh updates if you want any news updates yes what's happening the diddy trial is happening right now as we are recording again with you and this guy i'm starting to wonder what are you starting to wonder continually bringing up diddy do you have a a duty to be Diddy's daddy?

Well, again, I don't want any, no Diddy.

I don't want any association with Diddy, but but it may associate with Vince McMahon.

We don't know.

So it's, here's the update.

Uh-oh, wait a minute.

There's a, is there going to be a crossover?

We'll see, but special.

Is that like when Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies went to Petticoat Junction?

Now we get Vince and Diddy.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see how this all ends up, but it seems very familiar, some of this.

But according to special agent Andre Laman, who's testifying this morning as we are recording,

900 bottles of Astroglide and 200 bottles of baby oil were seized from Sean Diddy Holmes's Diddy Holmes Diddy Combs' home.

Sean Diddy Combs'

home in Los Angeles when they raided his property in March of 24.

900 bottles of Astroglide.

900 bottles of lube on the wall.

900 bottles of lube.

And they were on the wall.

At least 16 large brown boxes of lube that were stacked on top of each other in a wall of the garage were recovered according to the images shown.

That's not, see, the funny thing is not just that it was raided.

Jury, we want you to see these photos.

See 900 bottles.

This is what it looks like.

All right.

Well, that's the update.

That does

seem to lend some credence to some of the stories then.

that you wouldn't normally think that anybody besides Johnson and Johnson

would have 900 bottles of lube on their wall.

Here's an update, Brian, on something we've been talking about here lately: the early TV wrestling.

We got earlier because what we talked about last week, about the experimental broadcasts over here from our friend Adam's research over in

where's he from

in his various parts.

Well, he's from the UK somewhere there.

I don't want to just, you know,

yes, but now,

Steve from New Zealand.

Yeah, this is Steve Ogilvy.

This guy's a serious historian.

I know Steve.

Well, you know Steve.

And that's even better than knowing Bo, except if Bo knows you know Steve, and then there's going to be trouble.

So nevertheless, Steve Ogilvy from New Zealand, I didn't know if he wanted to just out him as being, you know, one of us for fear that he might be run off from his home country.

But,

well, that's why he says he's, you know, he sent this directly because

emailed this instead of sending it directly to you, because he annoys you.

He doesn't annoy you that much.

He does not annoy me in any way.

He's a historian.

That's when you say Steve from New Zealand, there's only one.

It's Steve Ogilvy.

And he

says he's emailing this instead of messaging you directly because he's annoyed you enough.

Well, whenever there's a guest to program, he you know, lends uh pictures.

I don't know what he sends.

He lends an unwanted opinion or an unsolicited piece of advice.

He's never annoyed me.

He chimes in.

Why are you believing this liar?

He's never annoyed me.

Believe me, he's never annoyed me.

He just chimes in whether his name is mentioned or not.

Hey, Steve, let me tell you, you just go in the back, and when we need you, we will send for you.

Steve was very close with Dave Cameron, the wrestling historian.

Oh, so that's who he had Harley with.

Okay, now I understand.

What

it was, it was all right.

You see,

I regret saying anything.

Well, well, well, that's thanks for writing in, Steve.

That's what, that's what the listeners say every week about you.

They regret that you said anything.

But nevertheless, Steve did have one piece of advice to give us before he never speaks to us again.

Get out of show business.

Apparently,

there was earlier television wrestling than there was from, what did we say, 1942 over here.

We had narrowed it down to those experimental broadcasts in Schenectady.

But now he,

he, being Steve, Steve He

says the earliest known televised bout took place before the Second World War on the 12th of March, 1938, by the BBC in London.

So that, you know, those

BBC, they're snooty son of a bitches.

They They always got to be first with everything.

The bout was Earl McCrady,

who, of course, was a former

amateur great and then was one of the top pros of that time period, originally from Canada, against Percy Foster from South Africa.

I don't know much about Percy.

But it's amazing because

Steve

included a picture or screenshots, as they say,

of the Radio Times magazine,

the magazine that was the radio schedule in London, at least as of 1938, when this issue was printed.

But it also had a television schedule of their early

experimental television broadcasts.

And

I'll skip ahead for a second, go back to the match.

He actually also sent advertising for the television sets that were available in London at the time.

This was 1938.

There were between 3 and 4,000 television sets in London,

and they were owned by the very wealthy because there was a...

There was a model with a four-inch

screen, well, like four and a a half by four and a half inches, Brian.

Imagine that.

Wow.

That was available for the equivalent of like $8,000 or $9,000 today.

And it also had a built-in radio, or they had

the top of the line model was a cabinet

floor standing device that had a radio and a television screen that looked like,

to be honest, it was probably about 12 or 13 inches like TV when I was a kid.

And that was 20 grand in today's money.

But anyway, the Radio Times had the television listings, and

apparently, about this match, there was commentary

for the match, which may have been simulcast on radio, not sure, but there was no audience because Steve has seen a picture from one of these matches, and it's the two wrestlers in the ring, a referee in a bear studio with the announcer at the desk.

And so this was,

you know, in the experimental stages.

And he said there were several other wrestling shows broadcast by the BBC before and after the war.

And then obviously ITV, which is the world of sport wrestling that the modern fans may have heard of, started in the UK from 1955 onwards.

But nevertheless,

you know,

again, and obviously there's no,

these things don't exist because they weren't even recorded at the time.

They were just broadcast live as they happened, and there was no

well, there was really no method at the time of recording it and broadcasting at the same time in the 30s, right?

You had to do one or the other.

Even with a kinescope, it wouldn't have worked.

Anyhow, I'm looking here at the schedule that he sent.

Like for Saturday, March 12th, which is the day at 9:40 p.m., you have Catch's Catch Can Wrestling.

Well, you listed earlier.

2:30 and approximately 3.35,

Inter-University Sports.

Some of the events of the Oxford versus Cambridge sports will be televised, conditions permitting, directly from the White City.

At 3.15, we have gardening,

crafting fruit trees,

at 3.25 news film.

And then we have nothing until 9 o'clock.

Cabaret cartoons

at 9, followed by 9.30 news film, followed by 9.40 catches, catch can.

That's what fascinates me.

The entire, you know, what was on a schedule, what constituted a schedule back then and for the next 10 years, 15 years, really.

I mean, this is so early.

This is what, 1938?

38?

Yeah, so really for the next 15 years, everything was just getting established and the war delayed everything.

Well, and especially

in England, the war caused major delays because they sound like they were ahead of the United States before the war.

News film, though.

Not news, news film.

British movie tone.

Yes.

Well, it's like the, you know, the

Edward R.

Murrow would have just been getting started, but whoever

the voice was, you know, that would say, and now the news.

And they'd have the movie tone news.

Those were the news reels that would be played in the theaters along with the cartoons and becoming attractions before you got to see the movie.

This is London.

It's amazing.

We have people from New Zealand telling us about what's happening in England in 1938.

And we have people from England telling us what was happening in the States in the 50s and the 40s.

I have people hopefully telling me what's going on in the world today, so I don't have to fucking actually participate.

But here's something, let's stay in the 30s, Brian.

And here's something that I found:

a little tidbit that I jotted down a couple of weeks ago while I was looking through some books, researching one of my upcoming projects.

And this just,

if you want to talk about the local wrestling promotion,

who was a major name or a major draw in a particular market?

Uh, how that the boys sometimes were better off back in the old days financially than they are now, all this kind of stuff.

I'm fascinated by these things, and this just falls into all of it, and it's a little trivia, but it's interesting.

Do you know?

I don't even know how to ask this question, actually,

but Amarillo, Texas.

You know, the funk family obviously ruled there for 30 years and it was a major market in terms of guys going there to learn from Dory Sr.

to get experience.

Eddie Graham did it.

Dorian Terry obviously did it.

You know, some of the Japanese guys that were sent there, sent to learn.

Amarillo was a big deal of wrestling, but it's still

a smaller market.

in terms of the size of the cities in the United States.

And I've worked there before at a couple of different buildings.

We worked there when

we were in world class in Dallas and they ran,

oh god damn, I can't remember.

It was a convention center, a newer building sometimes.

And they weren't doing shit, but the building, you know, probably only held three or four thousand people anyway.

And then there's the the old building, the Coliseum in Amarillo.

I think it's at the fairgrounds.

That's where the, you know, the old-fashioned shit used to take place with the funks.

That's where we had the,

where we worked on the show that Terry had put together for John Ayers down there.

And they had the car dealership, and it was the heavenly bodies versus Dory and Dick Murdoch.

And that would, there was like 6,500 people there.

It was sold out.

It was a beautiful fucking crowd, right?

But do you know that they were drawing bigger crowds in Amarillo, Texas

years before, crowds that wouldn't even have fit in those buildings, years before

the Funks territory or the modern-day WWE or whatever.

I will tell you something that will blow your mind.

On June 20th, 1930, In Amarillo, Texas, the local guy, the hero Cal Farley,

challenged Jack Reynolds for the World Welterweight title.

And Jack Reynolds, you probably got a ton of posters on him.

He was a name as one of the lighter weight pro wrestlers in the 20s and 30s, right?

And,

you know, he traveled something like a territory traveling champion.

But they had this match, and Cal Farley

was

a wrestler in those days, but then he became a businessman in Amarillo after he retired from the ring.

And he always still had something to do with the business, either in front of the camera, behind the scenes.

Sometimes people didn't know he was involved, but he was involved.

But he was the local hero at that time.

Guess what the attendance was?

They went outdoors to a ballpark.

What was the attendance on June 20th, 1930, for Cal Farley versus Jack Reynolds

and

two other matches with four other guys on the cart.

I have no idea.

8,164 people.

Wow.

And the population of Amarillo,

which today is about 200,000, was at that point in time

in the 1930 census 43,956.

Now, also also think about this.

Nobody flew to that show, okay?

Let's just make that perfectly clear that nobody flew to that show in June 1930.

So that means that they either, and literally, some people, I am sure, and it's not a joke, rode horses in Amarillo on June 20th, 1930.

But

in a city

of 44,000 people

in the first full year of the Depression, which was going to get worse, but wasn't a box of fluffy ducks at that point.

No air travel whatsoever,

no interstate highways.

I can, again,

this is not a joke.

Many of these city streets in Amarillo were recently paved, if yet, at that point.

And you know what kind of cars people had in the 1920s,

and they, this was front page news in that, in that town, in all the newspapers, the match was broadcast on radio

because that

follows up on another thing we've been talking about.

We talked about the early TV broadcasts.

Several people have asked us, well, has there ever been a history of matches on radio?

Yes, there was.

The problem is, it's only, you know, the announcer calling it.

and

i don't know whether any of that you know still exists on tape or not or any kind of recording

but there was that radio was a method of communication at the time

and of news and also of advertising but this match was so big in the market that the wrestling promoters weren't using radio to advertise.

The radio was advertising the match because it was news and broadcasted because it was a big fucking sporting event in town.

And every business in town took ads out in the newspaper.

Again,

Scott Teal at crowbarpress.com, folks, if you want to, he has the history of Amarillo as one of his many books.

And we encourage you to, but he's got the newspaper ads and stories reprinted where every business in town took the ads out, said, best wishes, Cal,

because he was a local hero.

And the tickets

were between $1 and $1.50.

So you figure maybe they did $10,000

with 8,000 people in attendance, right?

But that's the equivalent because $1 in 1930 equals $20 today.

Look up your inflation calculator.

There's a period in the mid-30s during the depth of the Depression where a dollar is worth almost 30 bucks.

But nevertheless, that was the equivalent of six guys on a card with one main event singles match

drawing a $200,000 gate

with local promotion in a city of less than 50,000 people.

The kind of

promotion it takes for that, that was the old days of pioneer wrestling promotion.

They were probably knocking on doors and they were building it up.

And of course, Cal Farley was the local hero.

People knew Jack Reynolds from the paper and he'd been there before and he was the welterweight champion.

Is our boy going to win?

And then after they did that, they did a rematch, but they waited.

One year and two days later,

June 22nd, 1931,

they go outside again, Metro Park, if that means anything to the fans in Amarillo.

And they had a rematch, two out of three falls, with a two-hour time limit.

And Reynolds beat Farley in the first fall, but the second fall, they ran the two-hour time limit out.

And the attendance was 7,500,

almost the same thing as the previous year.

And it's just, it, again,

when you think about just the percentage of people, and yes, there, Lubbock is 60 miles away.

Lubbock is smaller than Amarillo.

So Lubbock was a town of 30,000 that you had to get in your Model T and drive 60 miles at 20 miles an hour in goddamn hot West Texas weather with no air conditioning.

But still, they're drawing from a population of jack shit

in the depression.

And they do two matches a year apart and sell over 15,000 tickets for the both of them.

That was pioneer fucking wrestling promotion.

And those people believed

the goddamn our cow is going to bring the thing home, right?

That's what I would have liked to have been around,

not for the no air conditioning, but to see what that fucking atmosphere must have been like

in those days in a town like that

with a match like that that everybody was into.

I mean, that was the thing with the Funks, too.

It was our Funks.

You know, they grew up there.

I mean, Dory Sr.

obviously ended up there from Indiana,

but Terry and Dory

It wasn't just like when they became wrestlers, people became aware of them.

They knew them beforehand.

And you got to watch them grow up.

And once Amarillo kind of lost that, even though the funks still kind of came in, I don't know what could have been done, to be quite honest.

But when it was Murdoch and

who was, was it Murdoch and Blackjack Mulligan?

Who bought Amarillo?

Mulligan, Eminem, M ⁇ M Enterprises.

Well, it didn't resonate the same way for a lot of reasons.

And again, it was a changing business, but

Amarillo is one of those places where you kind of needed a hometown guy.

Work, I mean, all those Texas towns,

you know, the lawman, Ricky Romero, the Von Ericss, you needed a hometown guy.

Well, but here's that local promoters

in every town, also.

Don, the lawman Slattin

was the top guy at Abilene because he was the local promoter.

But god damn it, he was going to draw a crowd to see him.

So they figured him in.

And

the Guerrero family,

El Paso

was their town.

You know, and

so as guys

gradually, you know, got over, they transitioned into those spots where leading back to one of our previous subjects, you always had somebody that knew the wrestling business, that knew how to promote.

And Cal Farley, by the way, I don't even know if I mentioned the boys' ranch when Eddie Graham went to West Texas.

in the mid-50s before he went to New York and learned that style and that philosophy of the funk and the Amarillo wrestling tradition before Dory Sr., because he learned some of it from guys like Cal Farley.

Cal Farley's the one that set up the boys ranch for the underprivileged kids, Cal Farley's Boys Ranch.

And then Eddie Graham goes to California, goes to Florida

and

takes the concept, the Florida Boys Ranch, Sheriff's Boys Ranch, whatever they called it.

And that's why eddie graham was always getting

civic commendations

on tv uh on the florida show because he he made himself part of the state and he really did do a lot of good for you know various charities but it was publicized too because he had learned that from west texas oh these this is our family thing here our local wrestling promotion and they do things for the community

and cal Farley had started that.

And also, underneath the

rematch in 1931,

Roy Welch

wrestled on the undercard.

And a lot of the shit that they were doing in Amarillo in the late 20s and early 30s is shit that he brought to Tennessee and they were still doing in the 70s.

It's amazing the fucking,

I don't know what, what, what do you call it?

The connections.

degrees of separation degrees of separation hey you brought it up so let's give him a plug he's a great friend of ours Scott Teal Crowbar Press crowbar press dot com the book the great pro wrestling venues amarillo 1911 to 1960 by Chris Knights and Scott Teal

197 pages this entire period the rise of the of uh dory funk senior and so much more

and the original Dutch Mantel who must have been a heck of a fucking character.

And those guys, I can only imagine what kind of fucking raw bone,

badass son of a bitches those guys were.

I got to go back.

I'm looking at what's in here.

I got to go back and read this.

Penny Banner and three other lady wrestlers arrested for inciting a riot.

Dutch Mantel's rumored engagement to a masked mystery girl.

I got to go back to the promoter sued for $10,000 when a sign fell on a wrestling fan.

The in-ring wedding that ended in violence.

Farmboy, Dory Funk's 500-pound protege.

Man, this is really,

I kind of want to go back and read this right now.

Oh, but,

you know, the thing is,

when you see some of the things that they were doing, because some of the heels back in those days in the 30s, they would

get arrested legitimately, have some kind of deal in public

and get arrested, go to jail, have a, you know, a news story about it.

Sometimes they may have known somebody with the police department.

Sometimes maybe not.

They just did it.

It's happened numerous times both ways.

Way back, remember we did one in the news.

It was so good.

It was from Florida.

And it was like, Eddie Graham was walking down the street.

He saw Saul Weingroff coming the other way down the other street.

Yeah.

And he just went over and just had to punch him in the face.

And he was arrested.

And it got into all the papers that, man, he punched that no-good Saul Wendroff.

And then he did the same thing that Tuesday night.

Hey, they were doing the same thing.

And in Amarillo, you'll hear a match result from 1936 where so-and-so apparently blinded his opponent with soap in the eyes before applying the pin.

I mean, I was seeing that with the fucking heels in the early 70s in Tennessee.

That's what the Freebirds did with the JYD, technically.

Well, Well, yes.

I mean, it's, it's, it's, again, it's all from these guys at that period of time that were making this shit up as they went along.

And then the people who learned from them spread it out to all parts of the globe.

But you can, you can almost, as I've been trying to work on figuring out who exactly was starting the Tennessee southern style of wrestling, as some people put it, the old-fashioned Tennessee style, it may have come from Amarillo.

And it didn't have anything to do with the funks.

They were doing it beforehand.

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All righty.

Well, I'm going to apologize, Brian, if you hear some grumbling behind me.

It's not actually me for once.

It's the weather again

as we're getting a few.

I'm looking over my shoulder here.

It's got awful dark.

We're getting a few rumbles of thunder and some torrential rain here right now.

What's new in Louisville?

But speaking of bad weather and an ill wind blowing, we mentioned, I guess, last week now here on one of the programs that an old friend of ours had peeked his head back up above ground.

And we are doing a little public servicing because the public always loves to be serviced.

Because Colin Thompson, the

CEO, major domo, whatever you call it, of cast media, who we have had some dealings with in the past.

The viewers may

actually

stepped down as CEO.

He's now the CEO, chief creative officer, but he's the majority owner, over 99% owner of Cast Media.

How about this?

He's the loose nut behind the wheel of cast media.

There you go.

There you go.

And

we've mentioned some of our dealings with him in the past.

It's been an ongoing thing.

And now what has prompted us to bring him up again in our ongoing lives and situation is that he has actually now had the gall, as Jackie Fargo said one time, the gall of you.

He has had the gall to pop his head back up, issue press releases, announce that he is

back in business, babies, and he's in the podcast business.

He's making another run at this thing.

He wants to not only help work with all the creators out there, but he wants to be

lie,

a pillar of truth and transparency in the whole podcasting industry and kind of reform things and just be a beacon of light, the guiding light, like Captain Lou Albano.

While

on vacation in Acapulco.

No, sorry.

On vacation.

While he is still

currently the subject of a lawsuit from Arcadian Vanguard and yours truly's over here

for fraud.

I guess we can say what the lawsuit is for.

That's not any kind of defamatory declarative statement.

We're suing him for fraud.

The lawsuit's public.

Anything in the lawsuit can be said, yeah.

Yeah, and that's ongoing.

So while he's the subject of fraud and has been

cross-examined and depositioned and talked to numerous times, he and his associates over the last year year in our fact-finding missions while we've been gathering information

he decided he's just going to be a light of truth and a knight in shining armor for the podcasters these days so

we encourage the people there's not only did we talk about it on the show last week it was the experience last week wasn't it or was it the drive-through it was the experience tell me yeah it was the experience It was the experience.

And also, if you go to the Arcadian Vanguard Network YouTube channel, because we are,

well, the Arcadian Vanguard is the official

Rumble Rumble, official

owners and perpetrators of this lawsuit and deposition videos.

So the deposition videos clips are there.

At the Arcadian Vanguard Network YouTube channel, you can see

an individual being cross-examined by Stephen P.

New or deposed by Stephen P.

New, want to get the right terminology.

And you can see that person

sweating what appears to be five to seven pounds off of his body weight in that period of time on a variety of topics.

But we got one here today we want to play, Brian, just kind of give the people

a little taste of what they sound like and what they look like and what this

beacon of truth and light and transparency

really sounds like.

And by the way, I'll agree with the transparency because everybody's seeing right through it.

That's right.

Apparently, when he reappeared, because we heard from people who follow him on Instagram, which is a private account, so you kind of have to be locked in as a follower there, that he reappeared, and all of a sudden it was like, how this has brought him closer to God,

this whole experience.

Our intention was to bring him quite a bit closer to God, but that was my first thought.

But I was voted down in favor of the lawsuit.

No, all kidding aside, though, I don't care.

You know, you're kind of out of this because you're an atheist.

But no matter what God you believe in, no matter who that God is, no matter what religion you believe in,

do you think that God would come back to earth and say,

Colin,

I got to spend time with you?

No, no, no.

He's a godless, soulless ghoul who was raised wrong.

And I'm saying that from my personal experience, having dealt with him.

Just a

weasel ghoul.

And apparently, a lot of people from watching these deposition videos have thought he maybe hopped up on something.

I didn't even pick up on that.

I just thought it was all nervous ticks.

No, and that was a lot of comments that a lot of people who were former users of these substances were making.

Not that we're casting any aspersions, but you know, that was just a lot of people saying it.

Not the Kratom, ladies and gentlemen.

But what we have here, and again,

our money never got to us because it arrived at cast media, and the person running every single angle of cast media with complete control over the finances going in and out

decided at the same time, him and his wife were living it up.

I think it was $500,000 in travel in 2022.

Yeah, in one year.

While all this was going on,

We weren't getting paid.

Other podcasters weren't getting paid.

People who needed that money badly weren't getting it, even though it came in.

You know, this isn't a situation, I said it before, where

the advertisers and the advertising agencies didn't pay Cast Media.

They did.

The person running everything from Cast Media made sure, decided not to send that money along.

And a lot of questions have come out, where did all the money go?

And it went to a lot of places.

And what we're going to play here, Jim, again, this is from the Arcadian Vanguard channel on YouTube, from the deposition of Cast Media's Colin Thompson.

We're going to review this.

This is Steven P.

New deposing Colin August 1st, 2024, about the company cars, the expenses that were on the books for Cast Media for vehicles, and what those vehicles were and where they are now.

I want to remind you, this guy's running a podcast company.

If you want to argue he needed a company car, maybe a fair argument, even though he owns the entirety of the company, just about.

But what kind of car do you really need,

even if you're going to do the whole fake it till you make it thing?

What do you need?

What do you want?

What do you do with it?

For the record, I drive a Honda Accord.

But let's go to this gym from the deposition of Cast Media's Colin Thompson:

the cars.

All right, let's look at expenses: auto expense, $1,328.32.

Tell me what that is.

That is a vehicle.

Which vehicle?

Which vehicle?

That is a,

I believe that was a Mercedes-G-Series.

Let me stop there because a lot of people jump on this.

A lot of...

Difficulty saying the simple things quickly.

Right?

What was that?

I'll repeat the question, and then I will slowly try to think of a creative answer.

But let's get back to this.

Another thing, people, I got to stop it again.

He's drinking coffee.

He drank more sips out of this cup of coffee than it's possible to get coffee into the cup.

Back to this.

Is it titled in Cast's name?

No, that vehicle is

is not in CAST name.

In whose name is the vehicle that this auto expense is paid for title?

I believe is my name.

Is this the only auto expense Cast Media Inc.

has paid for you?

No.

What other auto expenses has CAST paid for you?

There's a different Mercedes and there's a Tesla

uh and

those are the two that i can uh directly recall

let me stop there he's not even saying that's everything that's just what he could directly recall two mercedes and a tesla three cars who the hell needs that many cars to run a podcast company

why do you need two cars at once to run a podcast company but three cars three luxury cars any thoughts well now see that's that's the thing brad is that one of them is going to run out of gas while while you send a member of your team to go fill that one up, you got to drive the other one, but then the ashtray is going to get filled up in that one.

So, while you get that one over to the car wash, you got to drive another one.

It's a good deal, too, because once a member of your team comes over to help you, you don't pay them.

But let's go back to the deposition of Cast Media's Colin Thompson: the cars.

Is does Cast continue to pay your Mercedes-G-Wagon payment?

No.

When did Cast last pay your Mercedes-G-Wagon payment?

I think probably before the

petition date.

Do you still own the Mercedes-G-Wagon?

No.

Did you let it go back?

What does that mean?

Did you let Mercedes or a lending company repossess the G-Wagon?

No.

Where is the G-Wagon now?

I sold it.

You sold it?

Yep.

When did you sell it?

I think towards the beginning of this year.

I got this Mercedes.

I can't remember when I sold that Mercedes.

Maybe it was the beginning of the year.

He can't remember things.

It's from a few months beforehand.

He's like,

because he knows when he filed the petition, which, by the way, we got things that he contradicts in

his own words.

He contradicts things that he wrote in his own pen.

Yes,

but also, I guess, a lot of people are saying, well, hey, he was a big businessman.

Maybe he, why should he remember about this car sale?

Well, there's a reason why line of questioning is headed in this direction.

Counselor Stephen P.

New will explain further.

And by the way, we're not sure exactly which car, at least I'm not here.

I don't have it in front of me, but the 2025 Mercedes-Benz G-Class, one of them starts at $148,000, one of them starts at $161,000, one at $186,000.

So

not a cheap car, not a car you just need to get around, the car you need to get.

Not taking the kids to soccer.

That's right.

Let's go back to this clone.

Early 2024?

Yeah, sometime in probably Q1 of 2024.

Was it financed at the time that CAST was paying the $1,328.32 auto expense?

I believe so.

Where was it financed through?

I'd have to look, but probably I think it was Bank of America, but I'm not sure.

All right.

Again, let me stop it there.

If you lease a car or you're paying installments on your car, you don't know who you're paying?

It takes you that long to figure out who you're paying?

Well, and we've

if he sold it,

then he had to satisfy an obligation to someone, and he can't remember who he gave that money to also.

He had to drag out of him that he sold it, but he can't remember when he sold it exactly, even though it was just months beforehand.

He doesn't know any details about it, doesn't know who had the lease.

Let's go back to this.

But but also, well, Brian, here's the thing.

It was a company car and he sold it.

So certainly he gave the money back to the company because the company had been paying for it, right?

Let's go back to the deposition of Cast Media's Colin Thompson, the cars.

Did you get more out of it than was owed on it when you sold it Q124?

Did I get more out of it than was owed on it?

Yes.

Yes.

By how much?

I don't recall the exact number.

Let me stop it there.

He sold it for a profit

somehow.

And he still can't remember how much it was months beforehand.

And he's about to file for bankruptcy because he's worried about his finances.

Regardless of how much you got when you sold the Mercedes-G-Wagon, did you reimbursed cast

for its payments of your Mercedes-G-Wagon expense?

No.

You pocketed that money from the sale of the Mercedes-G-Wagon, correct?

Objection argumentative.

Do you have a question?

Yeah, I have a question.

You kept the money from the sale of the Mercedes-G-Wagon.

You didn't reimburse.

In other words, you didn't reimburse CAST.

So I already said that I didn't reimburse CAST.

All right.

And you kept it, though, right?

As opposed to doing something else with it.

I don't know what you mean.

Like, I didn't reimburse it.

Like, pay a debt, pay somebody that you might owe money?

I didn't reimburse CAST.

Nor did you pay any other debt that CAST might have had, correct?

That would have been reimbursing CAST.

Indirectly.

Right?

To pay one of CAST's debts?

That would have been reimbursing CAST.

Well, no.

If you think that's what it was,

I'll accept that answer.

Let's talk about the other vehicles that CAST paid for for you.

Oh, no, no, no, no before we get off of the G-Wagon.

How long did CAST make your G-Wagon payment?

I don't remember exactly when

probably since some time in 2021.

Okay.

Now, the different Mercedes, what kind of Mercedes was that?

The different Mercedes?

I believe that was a C-Series.

And in whose name was the C-Series Mercedes?

I think it was in my name.

And for what period of time did CAST make the payment on the C-Series?

I think it would have been

probably from

maybe 2020 through 2023 or something like that.

And what was the disposition of that?

What was the disposition of that?

Yes.

That was a lease, so the lease ran up.

Was that a lease directly through Mercedes-Benz?

I think so.

And the Tesla,

in whose name was the Tesla titled?

I think it was in my name.

And how long did CAST make the Tesla payment on your behalf?

Probably about a year.

When?

From the end of

the beginning of 2023 to the end of 2023.

Was that a lease or a purchase?

That was a purchase.

And what was the disposition of the Tesla?

I still have the Tesla.

Is that what you drive in St.

Louis?

Yeah, I drive the Tesla.

Well, there it is.

I drive the Tesla.

I sold the Mercedes.

The company was paying for three separate cars for this guy.

One of which he still has,

at least one of which he sold for a profit and then pocketed the funds.

And the other one was a lease that he stopped paying in the middle of 23, or it went back.

We will find out more about that.

And we'll play more audio about this in the future.

You get to hear Steven P.

New, 87750 Steve.

Get even with Stephen, newlawoffice.com.

If you're hearing this, it was cleared by Steven Pinu.

But there it is.

We

thought that this guy treated the company like his personal piggy bank.

It turns out, in his own words, he did.

Mordecai.

And we have, yeah, we have multiple examples of this kind of financial shenanigan, both that we will be airing and or

otherwise added to the case.

There's a lot of accountants that he's thrown under the bus, but we'll see what happens.

It's like a bumpy farm road.

Try to drive that bus down the street with all those accountants in the way.

I know nothing.

It's amazing.

I know nothing.

It's the accountants.

I know nothing.

It's an amazing what some poor accountant that is basically being subpoenaed to testify under oath in a case where somebody is being accused of stealing money.

It's amazing how quick those accountants will say, you know what,

here's what actually happened.

We find that to be a very common occurrence.

NDAs go away very quickly.

They don't want to lose their licenses and shit.

Well, see, NDAs don't work in case of

shenanigans.

Well, more to come about these shenanigans.

All right.

Speaking of shenanigans, they got a brand new shenanigans show coming on the air, Brighter.

We're going to have to watch another

TV show.

They're rebooting the American Gladiators.

And I don't mean that in a violent, kick in the ass kind of way.

I mean in a fresh restart with young, fresh faces and a new network of some description.

And

they're going to have some wrestlers on it this time.

Did you hear about this?

Well, this time, I guess you could say almost every time because the last time they brought it back was maybe a little less than 20 years ago with Hulk Hogan and Layla Ali hosting it.

I think who was that?

Matt Morgan was one of the gladiators, wasn't he?

Matt Morgan was

gladiator.

See, that's an old joke.

Awful, just terrible.

See, I just gave you the punchline without actually giving you the rest of the setup and everything, but you could get it.

But yes, Matt Morgan Gladiatorified for a while.

And

that was, I think, yeah, 2006-ish, thereabouts.

Yeah, somewhere in that range, yeah.

And of course, the original show from the

late 80s,

you know, it was one of the phenomenons of syndication for a couple of years.

And I remember watching it in, you know, even I was on the road in various hotels or you'd catch it, late night reruns, whatever.

It was syndicated everywhere.

And they had the American gladiators, the good-looking athletic gladiators that had the spandex outfits.

They looked like wrestlers, men and women.

And they had, you know, individual gimmick names.

I can't remember them all.

Fire and ice and brim

with the turbo laser.

There you go.

Diamond.

Poor Freckles never made it.

And he was hell.

Clubfoot really had a rough time.

Clubfoot was another one that had a rough time going over the wall.

But you know what?

The original American Gladiators, again, a wrestling connection beyond the one I think you're going to go to.

Mike Adamly was one of the commentators, future Raw general manager, and the proof that editing could really make someone seem like a great commentator.

He was great on there with Larry Zonka, but it was...

What did Mike Adamley do in the middle?

He was...

Mrs.

Adams.

No, come on now.

In between...

Stop it, you prevert.

In between American Gladiators and when he actually came to the WWE, he had done some type of legitimate sports, had he not?

I believe he had done commentary.

He was a retired football player.

Whatever the case, it was on in New York.

It was on after WWF superstars on Saturday mornings.

So it was kind of, you thought of it almost going with wrestling.

It was part of that little block of, oh, there was in 1989 rock and roller games, but American Gladiators was kind of a steady one right after wrestling.

Well, yeah, in the 70s, it was wrestling and roller derby.

And like late 80s, early 90s, it was wrestling American Gladiators.

And you had to.

It was like the challenge shows that, you know, you see now

where people have to goddamn navigate some kind of obstacle course or climb and succeed in some kind of endeavor to win something.

You had to compete against the gladiators.

And you mentioned the connection I'm going to make, but Rico Constantino,

when he came to OVW, it had been a number of years before that, because we met Rico had

18 careers.

He was a cop and a security guard, a paramedic and a bodyguard and a

fucking double-knot spy, whatever.

But he had been one of the contestants on the American Gladiators, and he's one of the only,

I think, a handful of people that actually won anything because normally the gladiators just wipe these people out.

I believe Rico may have been actually the very first episode of American Gladiators, like the debut of the series, the pilot, I guess, technically.

Yeah, it may, as a matter of fact, well, you know better than I do because I'm old now.

But so anyway, anyway, this has been

the problem was it was a phenomenon at one time and it kind of burned out.

It's not like I think they tried to do some type of live

appearances or whatever, but it wasn't like you could take the whole game and the whole show on the road easily.

There's a documentary about American Gladiators that's tremendous because it's kind of in that period of time.

Again, early 90s, you know, about what wrestling was doing on the road, and they talk about going on the road and what that was like and all the steroids and everything else.

It's really a good thing.

All the steroids.

It's very similar to wrestling of that time.

It's very interesting.

But so anyway, the first time around, it was good.

Second time, they got network for Hogan and

Ali's daughter, right?

They did.

I think, yeah.

I think that was the problem.

You know, it's weird to say.

But I feel like in a different time when people sat around on weekend mornings and watched TV or local TV,

that was perfection for syndicated television.

I don't know if it works in 2020, 2006 or 2007, whatever it is, versus now.

It's a different.

Yeah.

You know, some things aren't meant for primetime, even though you would think inherently, wow, it's going to be prime time.

That'll really give it a big boost.

I don't know.

Well, and see, that's the thing is that the first time around in syndication, it was more popular than it was the second time around when it was on network.

And now this is going to be the third time around.

And,

but

now the parameters are so much lower on

the amount of viewers that you need or, you know, just everything because

again, as we've talked about, when I was a kid, there were three TV stations.

They were on the air from 6 a.m.

to fucking maybe one in the morning.

And

if it was on, it had to be good somehow.

Now there's a thousand stations and there's 14 people watching fucking everything at any given point.

So.

Now, seriously, sometimes you hear about like some television stations' numbers, like, fuck, we have more people listening to this than this station that I hear so much about.

And that

we don't get time on the CBS morning show.

Like, they're plugging their movies and their TV shows all over the place and no one watches.

Hey, but you know what?

We don't want anybody to mess with our shit over here.

But that's the point is that now maybe they've hit the sweet spot because

I don't think it was ready for that big of an audience 20 years ago for network.

But now it won't, it still won't be as popular as it was on syndication in the 90s.

But the bar is lower, so they may be able to make a

go out of it, as the kids say.

But here's the

cast

has had some people

in kind of a

tizzy

because the Miz is going to be the host of this thing.

And

I will not deny that I think the Miz's greatest talents lay in hosting game shows.

So this is perfect.

I'm not going to argue with it a bit.

But the cast of Gladiators, in addition to whoever else they've got, has four people

with a connection to pro wrestling.

I know more than that, I think, because

I have a thing here.

Do Do you have I Saw 4?

Do you have a give me the list?

I have an article from the Hollywood Reporter.

Amazon finds its American Gladiators and hires 106 and Park co-host as sideline reporter.

This is an exclusive.

What's 106 and Park, by the way?

It's a popular thing for people other than you.

It's on BT.

Other than me?

Okay, all right.

Gladiators, ready?

Amazon Prime Videos American Gladiators Reboot has found its gladiators, whom the Hollywood Reporter can first reveal.

The new season will feature 16 gladiators, eight women and eight men, ages 22 to 38, and standing 5'5 to 6'5,

weighing between 140.

No, wait, I'd like to know.

I'd like to know if any of the men are 5'5 or any of the women are 6'5 ⁇ .

Weighing between 140 and 270 pounds.

It's a weird way to look at, yeah,

just a wide range there.

Really, uh, again, those women sound impressive.

I'm not sure all the men are picked from across the country.

The group includes bodybuilders, pro wrestlers, former Division I athletes, CrossFit champions, and military veterans.

The series will be hosted by WWE superstar The Miz, Mike TheMiz Mizannon.

His sidekicks will be the sideline reporter Rossi Diaz, the former co-host of BET's 106 and Park.

The Hollywood reporter has learned exclusively.

Sports commentator Chris Rose will be on Play-by-Play.

He hosts NFL Game Day Final on the NFL network alongside Maurice Jones Drew.

Let me scroll down now.

It's just talking about her and him.

Yeah.

The Miz will have five professional wrestlers keeping the show's contenders in check.

Eric Buggenhagen, aka Rick Boogs.

This was the guy, and he's apparently a great legitimate athlete.

That was the guy with the horrible name that was made a stooge for

who's he what's he a while back.

And he got hurt, and physically he was as impressive as anyone, and he had a legitimate background, and they gave him a silly comedy thing where he played guitar, I think.

That's right.

Michael Wardlow.

Aka Wardlow.

We found him.

We found him.

Where's Wardlow?

There's Wardlow.

We thought it was potentially the mountain Darby was climbing.

It was actually a mountain of styrofoam that he's waiting to get shot off.

But also, Jesse Goddards,

aka Mr.

Pectacular.

Yeah, I have, I've never seen this guy wrestle, I don't think, but he, I think he lives here in Louisville because I've seen his name

affiliated with Ohio Valley Wrestling for years, way back before the West Fabersham people bought him, back when it was still an American product.

He's been with OVW for like years and years now, but

he was a reality TV show guy.

So I guess he's still wanting to do

the reality TV.

Here's another name: Jessica Rodin, aka the ultimate athlete, J-Rod.

I'm not familiar with her, are you?

I've not heard that name.

And

Kaylee Latimer, aka Camille.

Camille!

So we found out what mountain she was on.

Well, we found out what mountain she was buried under.

Wardlow and Camille are now going to be on a brand new television program on what network is this, Brian, or service?

Amazon Prime.

Amazon Prime

could be a big new TV show

that requires you to be big and athletic and compete in a variety of physical endeavors.

And

Wardlow obviously is on the bigger side.

He's probably the 6'5, 275, although Camille is definitely better than 5'5 and 140.

So they're gonna, they've been chosen to be American fucking gladiators by this TV company.

And look at the putrid physical specimens that are on display

on AEW television every Wednesday night.

And these two.

They couldn't figure out a way to put them on television.

And they can't figure out a way now that they're not on their television.

They can't get any cross-promotion out of it.

They can't be saying, oh, look, Wardlow's dominant in our ring, and he's also an American gladiator

because Wardlow is a missing fucking person in AEW.

And so is Camille

because she outshone apparently

the fucking cash cow, or should I say cash camel

that is Josephine Camel herself, Mercedes Moon?

You pay $5 million for a lemon and you get a bargain on a Fabergé egg.

So you toss the egg in the trash and you put the lemon on TV every week.

Bravo.

So how the, how,

how is it

that the two most famous AEW wrestlers about to be on the roster are to the average

non-wrestling fan are not even on the television show.

I guess the big question will be: what does Tony do after this?

There have been rumors that they have a plan for Wardlow that he may have gotten hurt again, or how the fuck?

What the

there were plans?

What do you think?

Is this the American Gladiator Special Olympics version where he can compete in a wheelchair?

If he can be a gladiator, why can't he be a a pro wrestler?

Well, again, let's see what Tony does after this.

And the big question will be Camille.

She disappeared.

There's a ready-made thing for her to get revenge on Mercedes-Monet.

But even if he didn't want to do that, there's other things.

Will Tony bring Camille back and do something with her after this exposure?

And you got to figure Amazon's going to pour a ton in promoting this.

And what will their names be?

I mean, that's the other thing.

Gladiators had names.

It says they're in the article.

Gemini, Lace, Nitro,

Zap.

Just as four examples there.

So it's not like it's going to be Wardlow, Camille.

It'll be, you know, fire

and Nordic.

I like, I'm still like fucking Clubfoot.

Clubfoot.

Maybe that'll be Wardlow.

Maybe he did get hurt.

Maybe it'll be Clubfoot.

The unexpected Clubfoot.

That was what they called the Inferno that wore the loaded boot.

That was Frankie Kane, but

they called him Inferno Clubfoot.

It's the most underrated thing you don't see anymore, the loaded boot.

I got to see it a little bit with Tom Pritchard doing it,

but

like you watch the grappler, even, and that's not Frankie Kane.

It's effective and it's cool.

And, you know, it's an addictive thing as a fan.

You start doing it with your own shit.

Like, can I hit my foot like that?

What would I be knocking into where?

Yes.

Well, do you know in my vault, I have Tom boot tom boots tom boot i have i've been looking for him

i have tom pritchards you son of a bitch

i have tom pritchards boot gimmick oh no way that he because see some of the guys had the loaded boot they would

you know they would just load it it would be in the built-up sole but he didn't have a built-up sole he had a thing he could pull out of his tights and slip it over the toe of his boot with an elastic piece that went around the the heel and then he would do the fucking Inzagiri with the fucking gimmick on the boot and then take it off the boot.

And the referee would be none the wiser.

So, again, I don't, I can't speak to it.

Either Wardlow or Camille can have the loaded boot on the Gladiator.

I can't speak to who will be the clubfoot or if there will be one, but, you know, the other thing that I think hurts it, and we'll see what they do here, but the fact they have a host in the Miz, it could be a host in anybody.

It's not about the Miz.

That's what worries me because what originally made it work, one of the things, what made it work is people wanted to try that and do that.

You know, I want to try out for that.

I wish I could do that.

Even kids, I wish there was an obstacle course somewhere like this.

I could do it.

But it was treated really seriously.

It's like wrestling.

Like Mike Adamley and Larry Zonka called this thing like it was the Super Bowl.

Like it was a professional.

There was no like tongue in cheek.

There were no skits.

There was no host for no reason, really.

It was about, we're here at this athletic event in this.

You never really thought about it.

Like, are they in a warehouse?

Where the hell are they?

We're here at this thing here in this unnamed location, and we're going to have all these events.

And it worked because it was treated seriously.

I think the presentation is a large part of it, and the commentators are important.

But when you start hearing there'll be a host, it's going to be the Miz hamming it up for the camera because that's what he does.

That's why you hire someone like that, you know?

That's what worries me.

I see where you're coming from.

Well, it worries me anytime that the Miz is around, but at least it ain't a wrestling show.

I had those toys when they put out American Gladiators toys when I was a kid, and they each came with like a different,

I don't know what you would say, a different obstacle that they would be in charge of, like shooting the missiles or the javelin or whatever the hell was awesome.

What was the name of the impressive-looking

blonde woman with the statuesque Bubbles?

No, quit now.

No, she had the feathered fan down on 7th Street Road.

We're not talking about her.

Bubbles and her feathered fan, three shows nightly.

I'll tell you, you know, Brian,

here's the thing.

Whether you're going to do three shows nightly or one show nightly or just sleep one time a night, you don't want to just sleep on feathers anymore.

You do not want to do that.

But back in the old days, they'd just, they'd pluck a duck or they'd choke a chicken and they would just take the feathers and they'd shove it in a seat,

a sheet, and they'd sew the seams up.

They'd sew the seams of the sheet

and then you'd have to sleep on that.

Sometimes there'd be goose shit

or duck-doo-doo or chicken caca

or whatever in there, and it would drip out through the sack and then it would,

especially if you slept face down.

It's just like putting your face right into a chicken sphincter.

This is a bit gross.

I don't know where you're going.

Are we still talking about American gladiators?

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I've got one more little classic wrestling thing, and then we're going to go to the projectile blood spewing and the vowel movement.

that they have every Wednesday on AEW.

But we've talked about the pioneer wrestling television, and we talked earlier about the pioneer wrestling gates and crowds, and, you know, money that guys used to make.

And we've mentioned on the program also here where we talk about the Chicago payoffs or the St.

Louis payoffs.

Look at this.

Brian, Harley Race, and Dick the Bruiser got $6,000 each in St.

Louis.

That's like

$23,000 today or whatever.

And yeah, you know, that's, they were big national stars, and these were major markets, and they were figured in main events, they were very well used.

But

I know a lot of the fans

they hear the stories of,

well, back in the territory days, the wrestlers didn't

because all the wrestlers say, we didn't make any money.

We were underpaid and we were screwed around.

And a lot of that is true.

But the thing, there was money to be made in wrestling, and some people made it.

I think everybody, it's not an inflammatory statement to make that everybody can agree that sometimes

many of the boys were their own worst enemies when it came to,

if not making any money, saving any money.

A lot of times, part of it was taxes as an independent contractor, paying estimated taxes four times a year and keeping your records, and et cetera.

That's what the downfall for a lot of guys was.

And

it is true that a lot of guys, you know, either got screwed on payoffs or didn't make any appreciable big money.

And sometimes it wasn't their own making, but sometimes it was just that they never got the spot or the opportunity to get in.

where there was consistency, because that's the thing

for territory wrestling especially for the promoters and the wrestlers consistency was the key to making money

just a different kind of consistency with the

with the promoters

even if you didn't have a major market like chicago or dallas or new york or whatever

You could make money in territory wrestling if you had towns that were consistent, that year in, year out over time,

you knew that you were going to sell between X and Y number of tickets.

Example: Tennessee Territory, Louisville, Kentucky.

The biggest wrestling crowd in Louisville of the Jarrett Territory era was 6,500 people,

because that's how much the gardens held when it was sold slap-dab out.

The biggest wrestling crowd in Louisville of all time up until the modern attitude era wars was like 9,000

back in the days before they did the renovations on the gardens when it was still the armory and they could jam them in in the 50s.

And that doesn't place anywhere near, you know, the top 20 or 30 markets for big five-figure wrestling crowds.

But the thing about Louisville was it ran 52 weeks a year

and they sold between 150 and 200,000 tickets a year.

You could count on 3,000 people.

You could do between 3,000 and 4,000.

Many of those years a little bit better.

And then it tailed off at the end.

But you see what I'm saying, Brian, for consistency.

If you had

five towns in your territory that you knew were going to sell

75,000, 100,000, 150,000, 200,000 tickets a year,

what the fuck, right?

That's as a promoter, when you could establish that, you made your money.

And the wrestlers,

their consistency was

what ate you up then was

moving all the time.

You paid your own expenses, but if you only got a run underneath

in a particular territory for three months, and especially if you were married or you had to give up an apartment and get a U-Haul and move shit to a place, it wasn't worth going.

It was six months in some places.

That's what the bigger territory jobs, not only because they had more towns and bigger markets, but also because

you got a longer run in a territory that ran more towns, that either wasn't weekly, or even in the case of the Old Carolinas territory, a lot of those towns were weakly, but they ran two or three towns a night.

So that could stretch out before you wore out your welcome.

And the real money, as we've talked about,

came to be made when

you got over in a territory as a babyface or a heel, whatever,

so well and you were so important that you could homestead, as they used to say,

and you could stay there like a Nick Bockwinkle working for Vern Gagne for 20 years or

you know, a Jerry Lawler in Memphis or etc.

That consistency, you didn't have to move and uproot your family.

You didn't have to pay moving costs and get in and out of apartments or houses or whatever.

If you got a good spot in a good territory where you were figured in and you could stay for long periods of time, that was the consistency for the boys, right?

So even if you weren't a star,

you could prosper.

One more thing I'll say, and then we'll get into the topic of what I'm going to talk about.

Yes, you hear a lot of times the guys said, oh, fuck, I didn't make any money, or they didn't fuck me on the payoffs or whatever.

And all of those things that I've just mentioned can be true.

But also remember, the boys liked cars and the boys, remember in the mid-south, the boys liked that gold jewelry that was all the rage.

The boys liked some of that white fucking powder that was all the rage too.

Or the boys didn't pay their taxes because they didn't understand it.

I was lucky.

My cousin Larry already had a company.

When I first got in wrestling, he put me with his accountant

so that I knew about paying estimates and doing the whole thing.

But

if you

looked at the positives of what, of the, of the territory you were in, what your

potential was, what your spot was, et cetera.

and were kind of halfway paying attention to what you were doing, you could make a lot of money in a wrestling business.

And the same thing as a promoter, you didn't have to be a billionaire to be a promoter.

You didn't have to be a national TV star with a major guaranteed contract

to make money in wrestling.

That's what I lament is missing, not only that you can't be a normal human and be a promoter anymore, but you can't really be a normal human

and be in a wrestling business anymore as a talent.

If you're not aspiring to have a contract with one of the national companies, you're not going to make any fucking money.

Brian, I've laid this premise down.

Would you like to know what I'm talking about now?

I'm very curious.

Yeah, I looked it because here's another thing I was just fiddling around.

We talk about how the national stars made money in the territory days, the big payoffs, and a blah, blah, blah.

But I said, let's just think about somebody that most people don't think of as a guy that made a ton of money or made a vented in Madison Square Garden or whatever in a wrestling business, Bill Dundee.

And I was just looking at this because as I, again,

I worked in this territory, worked for Dundee when he was the booker of this territory.

I know what payoffs were.

I've talked to all of my guys

and I kind of know.

You know, even Dundee himself doesn't know how much money he made in 1977.

At this point, it's 50 fucking years ago.

He ain't kept that shit.

Probably remembers he got fucked around.

But in 1977, as we've documented, he made $6,000 for two matches, those two hair matches with him and Beverly.

Okay, the average median income for a family in the United States in 1975 was $11,800 a year.

So he made six grand in two nights in 1977.

It was still, there was still money to be made made in wrestling.

And with the consistency and was being figured in,

I sat down and I thought, I said, okay,

what would one of these

modern wrestlers say to a promoter

if he

basically pitched the deal that Dundee had in the Memphis territory with Jerry Jarrett for nine years from

January 75 to December 1983?

Dundee never left the territory.

It was summer of 83 for six weeks, go to Georgia.

And while he was there,

pretty much for the entire time, he was figured in as a main event guy, first as a heel, later as a babyface, often in a tag team, lots of times as a single.

And he became

one of the guys that was, you know, recognized one of the legends of Memphis Wrestling, right?

Everybody said, oh, Jerry Lawler, Bill Dundee, Jimmy Valiant, Fargo, the Fabs, that type of company.

So, what do you think, Brian?

You're a young wrestler, and you can't get the national TV contract

with the WWE or the Lollipop Guild, but a promoter says, I tell you what, I'm going to bring you in

and I'm going to have you work for me.

And I'm going to use you in a top spot for the next nine years.

You're going to be a babyface.

You're going to be a heel.

You're going to work six days a week.

That's you're going to wrestle six nights a week, but no trip is going to be over 250 miles.

You're only going to spend one night a week in the hotel.

Other nights, you're going to be home every night, especially because we're going to run the town that you're living in once a week.

You're never going to get on an airplane.

You're never going to have to.

You can buy a house in Nashville, Tennessee, and you can live there for nine years.

You'll have every Sunday off most of the time.

You're going to be on TV every week, 52 weeks a year, and it's broadcast television in every market.

So you're going to be a celebrity in the whole area.

The girls are going to love you in every town.

Eventually, I'm going to make you the booker, the matchmaker, and you're going to call the shots.

And also, you can sell your own pictures and keep the money off of that.

I don't care.

You're going to work with the best talent in the business.

In Dundee's case, he came over from Australia never having been pushed over there at all and immediately got a push and worked with

everybody from Jerry Lawler to Nick Bockwinkle to Billy Robinson to fucking Andre, whatever.

And then I said, at the end of that time,

I'm going to get you a paying job as the booker of a bigger territory.

And in those nine years, I'm going to pay you

the equivalent of about $2.5 million.

Would that be a fucking deal?

That why would you as a wrestler turn that down?

Depends how ambitious you are.

Again, we're talking then versus now.

I think it's a pretty good deal.

I mean, also, you know, how many of the, not to talk about Bill Dundee, but how many wrestlers, like Len Rossi moved to the area, not that it was a big business thing, but he was allowed to have his side business.

Yeah.

It wasn't like wrestling was his only thing.

He had his health food store for 50 years or whatever.

Again, you don't have to do that.

You could do anything.

And nowadays you can make money in a whole bunch of ways.

But that was another thing was if you are going to really set up and move in.

If you're ambitious, you can go, you can do everything from sell cars to sell insurance to open up your own store to do whatever.

But

to be honest, there wasn't a lot of time.

And Lynn Rossi established that.

And then, you know, much of it was after he retired.

You didn't have a lot of time.

You were working six days a week, but

the fucking

whole business model,

because the economics were different, but as I said, the median family income in 1975 was $11,800 a year.

I guarantee you, Bill Dundee in 1975 working, and that's when Nick Gulis was still making a lot of the payoffs because they hadn't split with Jarrett yet.

But I know from not only talking to Dennis, Dennis Condry, he and Phil Higgerson were a top team in Memphis and in the Gulis Circuit and in Knoxville in the late mid-late 70s.

And

payoffs, the top heels are going to make $700,000, $800 a week max probably in those days.

But

$35,000 in 1975 equals over $200,000 in today's money.

And I know when I was there, the payoffs that I was getting,

in 1982, the median family income, by the way, Brian, for a family was $23,430.

When I started as the

lowest paid guy on the roster and the flunky manager,

I was started out making the median family income in my first fucking job.

So

I know that if I was making 400 bucks a week,

then Bill Dundee, the main event guy and the booker, was making $1,200, right?

I'm not saying he was making $5,000 a week in the Tennessee territory.

But that was the thing is if you made

$1,100 a week in those days in a territory that size,

60 grand in 1983 is almost 200 grand in today's money.

And then you're selling pictures.

We've talked about the picture sales.

And you're just, so

you had a guy.

That's what, when Jerry Jarrett called me in the first day at Channel 5, when he said, hey, kid, you want to be a manager?

Dundee was the booker.

Dundee was in the room.

And part of Jarrett's pitch was he said, hey,

he said, sometimes wrestling doesn't work out, but you can make a lot of money in a wrestling business.

He said, Bill's a wealthy man and I've made a fortune.

And both of those were true.

Dundee wasn't a millionaire owning a goddamn construction business as Jarrett was later on.

But he had a fucking house and he had a fucking high-paying job in a home area that he was figured in.

and it lasted for a long period of time.

Did Dundee save?

I don't think he

was an Angelo Pafo, but at the same time, he's had businesses after he got out of the business.

And,

you know, he wasn't out there.

Dundee wrestled independence because Dundee would rather wrestle than take a shit in the morning.

He just wanted to get in the ring and do shit.

So, but I think he was fairly smart with things.

But

that's the point: you had the opportunity, and getting in the office

or becoming a booker or things like that, that was the path.

If you got settled, that was the next step.

And that's why I never thought

I'll say this, and it will bring this to a fucking close,

but I never thought

that I was going to work anywhere else besides the Memphis Territory.

And that's why, you know, when you see

everybody that thinks, oh, gosh, you know, I've always, the WWE was their dream.

They always wanted to go there.

And I'm not knocking the WWE when I say this.

I'm just because it's the biggest company.

When Jerry Jarrett said to me, hey, do you ought to be a manager?

Holy shit.

Yes, I do.

But at that point, I never actually thought I would go anywhere else.

And think about in those days, Bobby Heenan started and stayed in Indianapolis for 10 years.

Jimmy Hart had been at that point

that I was having that conversation.

I'd been managing in Tennessee for three.

I'd grown up with managers like Sam Bass always being there.

The managers in the Northeast, Albano and The Wizard, they were always.

So I thought,

if I work really hard, get good at this and

impress

them, then this is where I will be in the wrestling business.

I didn't think that anybody else would really particularly want me.

Why the fuck would any other promoter want me?

Is what I was thinking at the time.

But I still didn't think it was like a short-term fling because

I intended to not only be the best manager I could, so I'd stay here like Bobby Enan did in Indianapolis.

But at some point, yeah, the thought was there.

I can promote towns.

I've already been postering for Teeny.

I could promote spot shows like Buddy Wayne.

I could open up this town.

That was kind of like a thing where I always thought I would be here,

but I didn't just think I would be doing one thing.

Does that make sense, Brian?

It makes a lot of sense.

And I guess the question I have, you're talking about money in the wrestling business.

When Jerry Jarrett has that conversation for you and you're excited and you're, of course, wanting to do it.

When did you realize you're going to lose the picture money?

Because

you were were making a living in the wrestling business, but it wasn't like, you know, you didn't do that when you became a heel manager.

You had to stop at a certain point, right?

Well, remember, it was gradual because here's the thing.

I couldn't shoot ringside anymore.

So that knocked me out of the magazine business, but I was still doing the pose stuff downstairs in the locker room at the gardens.

I just took my

backdrop and all my equipment and stuck it down there.

The lighting wasn't quite as good.

So I had a little bit more shadow problem, but I was still doing that where I had to give up.

And then when I was not only still doing the pictures for the merchandise table, but also managing and had the program managing Adrian against Dundee, Jesus Christ, I was having $1,000 weeks.

And as we've just established, that's like three grand a goddamn week today.

But

when I went to Georgia, when I was shipped to Georgia,

because everything that's booked up must be booked down,

That's when I had to give up doing the pictures because I was in fucking Georgia and I couldn't be there every week to take them and get them printed and pick them up and deliver them and all that stuff.

So that's what

I was doing just fine from October until June of 83 and then July through.

November of 83 was when I was starving because now I wasn't doing the pictures at all.

And

after the Georgia run, which we've talked about so many times, I came back, was on all the spot shows, making

50 bucks three or four times a week.

So then Louisiana was what saved the day.

But at that point, that was

when I lost the pictures.

Beforehand, it was just lovely.

I just had to do three different jobs, but I was making wonderful money for a 21-year-old fella.

But that's the point is I've just used Dundee as an example because

I worked in this territory.

I know the payoffs.

I know the other guys that made money and I could extrapolate for what Dundee was making when he was more important than me and also the booker.

But

you get the point that

between $35,000 and $75,000 in the 1970s and early 80s is the equivalent of goddamn

anywhere from $150,000 to $300,000 or whatever in today's money

per year.

And there were multiple guys in the business all over the country that had a spot

as good, almost as good, or even better.

Nick Bockwinkle made $150,000 a year working like 15 days and took out shots if he wanted to.

And that was 45 fucking years ago.

And again, the overall economy and the value of a dollar and the strength of the middle class is a completely different animal today versus then.

I mean, that was, you know, a comfortable living was kind of a perfect living in a lot of ways.

And now it's a bigger struggle.

The price of everything is more.

Because you, I mean, there were guys that

the NWA champions and Bruno and guys that gave up schedules that were making tons more money than that back then because they didn't want to work that hard.

There was no quality of life.

They couldn't take it anymore.

But if you got a territory, you got a nice little spot, you were living pretty fucking good.

And you were a celebrity and all that other stuff, whichever

you you liked the best out of everything.

And

it was more accessible to people without either just being a cog in the wheel where you're signed to a contract for a guaranteed amount of money for a few years and then you don't know what's going to happen

or

you know, spending your life in obscurity.

There was much more potential for reasonable success without having to be a goddamn movie star.

You didn't have to be on national TV to make money, and you didn't have to be a billionaire to promote wrestling back in the good old days.

But you would make a fortune.

You could make

a single person's fortune.

I'm not even talking about an unmarried person.

I'm talking, you could make a normal individual's fortune, not a fucking fortune for a major corporation.

I like it when we had to pull each other up by our own jock straps and stick the balls at our mouth and head out to work every day.

All righty, would you like to stick some balls in your mouth and head over to AEW?

I'm not going to say yes to that.

So you're all

you.

That's all you, Diddy.

Well, no, because I'm telling you, we need to get a ball gag for poor Kenny because if his

diverticulatanus is going to cause him to do this every week, We need to stick something in his mouth so he doesn't spread.

Well, again, I don't know where your mind goes, but why don't we do a clean one here so we can use it on YouTube?

And let's talk about AEW Dynamite that just took place wherever they were.

Well, I don't even know now what's been edited out, but folks, it was filthy, whatever it was.

But they were over there.

Where were they this week?

They were out on the West Coast.

Yeah, where were they?

They were in Portland.

Was it Portland?

Well, it's a shame.

But

what

again, before we, I'm just saying that somebody needs to do something for poor Kenny to keep this thing from happening again.

It looks like his irritable bowel syndrome is still with him.

But they started out,

that was June 11th is what it was on Dynamite

with the long-awaited rematch between Will Osprey and Swerve Strickland.

And we know what's been going on over the past several weeks is Osprey's trying to get Swerve and Paige to be on the same page so that they can all band together and fight Moxley

because this is our last chance.

We all have to work together,

even though none of the baby faces ever accomplish anything except pissing all over each other.

And meanwhile, this fucking decrepit world champion they've got just goes and then chokes out the remains afterwards.

But, nevertheless,

the story is not the match here.

The story is the

overdone goddamn

finish and afterbirth and

continuing.

I don't know what.

They started the thing with a Western swing dancing routine.

And it's a four-hour show because they're doing the AEW Dynamite and Collision doubleheader.

And I knew this was going to take a while, so I thought I'd just skip ahead to the finish because that's where we get to the meat of the matter.

Because let's face it, folks, if you like this kind of thing,

this is the kind of thing you like.

But I went 25 minutes ahead, and I'm like, What in the world are they going to go an hour?

And I stopped at about 25 minutes in, and they were trading forearms.

I fit figures.

So, apparently, the announcers are now mentioning,

well, we've only got a few minutes remaining in the time limit, so I'm like, they're going to go 30 minutes.

At 28 minutes, Osprey hits Swerve Strickland with both of his finishers, one after another.

The fucking elbow thing, and then where he picks the guy up and spins him around and drops him on his head thing.

Do count.

And I've already mentioned that Swerve had his chance.

He's not nearly as over as he used to be, although they love the chant.

But good God, if they could have just cleared the path for Osprey to go to the stadium and beat this fucking idiot and win that title, you might have something.

Osprey, whether it's his own doing or whether people are trying to sabotage him, I don't know who's calling all this,

but

they're wearing the new off of him quick, Brian.

They are just beating the fucking

new car.

They're wearing out the new car smell they're putting dings on his body

so after swerve kicked out of both of osprey's finishes they grabbed a hold and laid there for a while

because apparently they're early on their timing they were supposed to be at a certain place at a certain time

and they still had more time left

So they laid there for a while.

Then Osprey milked whether or not that he should give Swerve the tiger driver.

Like that's worse than any of the other goddamn goofy ass, dangerous shit they do to each other.

Oh Lord,

throwing him off the stage through the exploding table.

Well, that's one thing, but goddamn, don't give him that fucking tiger driver.

So he's deciding whether he should do that.

And then he tried to do it, but his arm gave out.

And then Swerve gave Osprey a big move on his head.

And then he gave Osprey the kick to the head.

But then

Swerve,

who was just on offense for two big moves, gave him a big move on his head, jumped up, ran across the ring, gave him the kick in the head.

Then he laid there selling too.

Selling what?

You just kicked the guy on the fucking head.

And they both rolled to the apron.

See, this is key.

They got to be on the apron.

And then Swerve took forever.

And when I say forever, if you anybody wants to go back and watch this

and put a stopwatch on it, you might need a sundial

because he knows that he's got to be up on top when the bell rings.

And so he's taken forever to get up there.

And poor Osprey has to sit there on the apron.

in position to take the double stomp, which is

just roll away.

Just roll away.

But as Swerve is standing on the top rope, and Osprey is there waiting to be beaten by his goddamn finish, the double stomp off the top onto the apron.

The bell rings and it's a 30-minute draw.

Now, bear in mind, they both of them should have been counted out of the ring, and it should have been over

a minute before that when they were both laying on the apron, but that wasn't the finish they'd figured.

So the referee was helpless.

And

so,

and also, by the way, it made you

realize that even more because the announcers were talking about how much time had expired and how much time was left.

And while they were laying on a fucking apron, it wasn't a 10 count, it was a minute and a half count.

So the point is, now what we've got is a situation where Osprey

has given this guy his best shit, can't beat him.

And the way we left the draw was that Swerve was about to execute him, but the bell rang before he could chop his head off.

Is that the way that you make your

alleged top baby face in any way attractive to the public, Brian?

You know, I was thinking that's kind of a disappointing finish, all things considered.

It's a bit of a letdown.

And then it somehow made it a whole lot worse, it seemed, for those fans with the post-match.

I'll say my least favorite thing has become

swerves, I guess, the most prominent one where you see it because it takes them a little while.

It did here.

But, you know, other people do the move, but it was so bad here with Osprey, where the guy's going for the stomp, and the downed opponent can't be down because they'll die if the guy lands on them with their feet.

Yeah.

So they have to kind of lean up a little bit to kind of cushion the blow.

But it was taking so long.

So three different times, Osprey's like sitting up like the Undertaker in slow motion.

And he's just sitting there like a great ab workout, but it took so long.

And I don't like that.

That because you don't sell any hello, stare up.

Yeah, there's nothing else that is sold like that.

There's nothing else where all of a sudden you're leaning up and coming back to life and just waiting there in suspended animation for a swerve to come stomp you.

And the fans there liked it.

The match until

no, they did.

They booed the draw

until the finish.

They liked it.

It's that kind of thing.

But how is this helpful in any way two baby faces wrestling this match doing everything a half hour and again osprey for a while it was swerve never wins now it's osprey never wins well hold on because osprey is going to look a whole lot stupider and worse here in a minute because now remember

i'm checking my notes when last we saw osprey take any punishment

Swerve gave him the big move on his head and the kick to the head.

And then they both sold.

And then Swerve went to the top rope.

So the last minute and a half, Osprey was selling.

Well, then Swerve gets on the fucking Mike.

And he wants a restart.

He wants more time.

He wants sudden death.

And Osprey's rolled out on the floor and he's selling, but he's looking.

You get a camera shot of Osprey looking at Swerve.

He's cognizant.

He's conscious.

And Swerve saying, I feel like shit, and I know you do too, but if you're the man I think you are, you're going to want sudden death.

And you see, Osprey hears this,

and then the music plays.

And here come

Dick the Boozer and the Boer Horseman, slowly and boringly walking through the arena.

Swerve is in the ring.

Osprey's still on the floor, and we're not going to see Osprey for a while.

because as the

moxley bunch surrounds the ring all of a sudden

into the ring from behind swerve come the kookamonga kids the hardley boys the lollipop guild

maddie and nikki

And they jump on Swerve and they super kick Nana one time and he's dead.

You'll never see him again.

And then they handcuff Swerve to the ropes in the corner

while Moxley is on the floor for some reason, making goofy faces just at random.

And then the Buckaroo super kick swerve several times.

And then they get a duffel bag.

I think from useless, Wheeler Useless.

And they pulled out tennis shoes with thumbtacks on the bottom of them.

And then these guys, and they're taking forever, they have to take their regular shoe off and put the thumbtack shoes on.

And then they go for the super kick on Swerve with the thumbtack shoes.

Bear in mind from the time that the previous match was over, it's now it's been four minutes.

And before that, Osprey was selling for a minute and a half, right?

We established that before the end of the match.

But we also saw him looking at Swerve

in a state of consciousness when Swerve was challenging him,

Osprey just jumps in right at this point and stands up in front of Swerve, and they kick him with the thumbtack shoes.

So he's been sitting on the floor for four minutes watching all this shit go on

and just then jumped in.

And then the Bucks

and they act like, oh,

should we have done that?

And the doctor jumps in and puts a fucking washcloth over osprey's face

because the announcer said oh my god osprey's gushing blood no he's not

because it's a fake kick with fake shoes and the doctor put the

cloth over his face you could see it was fake or you couldn't see it was fake

And the fans are chanting, fuck the bucks.

And they're not even trying to censor fuck anymore now on TBS.

And in the middle of all this, Moxley's bunch just disappeared.

They never did anything and they were never referred to again.

And by the time all this was over with, the match and all that bullshit, we were 45 minutes into the show.

So, Brian, what

after

Osprey does everything and can't beat the guy, and then the guy's ready to kill Osprey, and the only thing that saves him is the bell.

And then Osprey rolls out on the floor and lets all this other shit go on with these other fucking heels before he jumps in to sacrifice himself.

Fuck, he could have called 911 from the floor, and the cops would have been there quicker.

And he rolled in.

And then they do a fake angle and they take him out with a goddamn cloth over his face.

You can't see that the

thumbtack sole tennis shoes that he was kicked with are phony.

What'd you think?

Again, the match was the match.

The post-match went on forever.

As soon as they start playing that music, it's kind of perfect for the Deathriders because it's just lazy,

like lazy guitar.

Nobody wants to hear it.

No one reacts to them coming out there.

And then the Bucks.

Somehow, the Bucks are even less over than the Moxley crew.

And the stupid thing with the super kicks, how long did that go on?

One after another.

Why is Swerve standing up?

Why does Swerf keep standing up to set himself up to be kicked in the face?

Stay down.

Turn around and stick your ass up in the air.

I know you're handcuffed, but like, don't stick your chin up.

I don't know what to tell you.

So yeah, I don't know.

They're trying to make their heels really strong going into that big event.

The problem is, they got the wrong heels and all the baby faces fight each other.

Well, look, yeah, that's the thing.

The only people with baby faces can beat are each other, and

they always lose everything.

Well, but you know, they got one of the legendary baby faces from Mexico coming to help them out, Brian.

I was glad to see this.

This will take care of the problem.

They'll be selling out those NBA arenas again in no time.

Because Mystico,

Mystico, now in AEW on television, he wrestled here.

It says guys that Blake the Christian.

He was accompanied by John the Baptist.

No, he's Blake Christian, not Blake the Christian.

He's Blake Christian.

I don't remember who he was accompanied by.

Wasn't John the Baptist?

It may actually, I can't say it wasn't because I don't remember who it was.

Okay,

Brad, you may be more up to date on

the the Lucha scene, but

is Mystico normally more impressive than this, or is this where he's at right now?

Mystico is a big star, was one of the most successful draws in Arena Mexico history,

had that run as Sin Cara, which MJF later brought up, did not go over well,

even though they seemingly wanted him to.

Again, it was during the Vince era, so nothing really worked right at all.

But he needs the right opponent and he needs the right setting.

You know, you could take the most over-Japanese wrestler ever, you know, whoever that may be at different points and just put him in the middle of a random match on a random wrestling show.

It may not work.

I don't think it was terrible.

But again, if you want to showcase the guy, if you want to showcase the guy, it should be three minutes.

Look spectacular, do one really amazing thing, not everything you're going to do in the match with MJF at Arena Mexico, and win.

But

well, but also, I mean, this wasn't too long.

It was, it was brief, but it was like, again,

he did his, you know,

he had a match like he's a goddamn giant star for the audience that's seeing him rather than who the fuck is this guy?

He's on pay-per-view next month.

We got to get him over.

He didn't go out there to get over with a new audience.

He went out there to have the match that he has where he's not going to get hurt and he's going to beat this guy fairly handily.

Well, did you hear how they were talking about him?

They were talking about it was Mil Moscaros coming in.

Well, yeah, that's the thing is they're putting Mystico over as my God, the legend.

Oh, my God, he's here.

And you're just seeing a guy that he's not as impressive as Bandito or Gravity or Helium or any of these other fucking guys.

He's just walking through some shit.

I'm not saying, I know a lot of people, I want to make sure I make this clear because a a lot of people are saying, well, goddamn Cornette, make up your mind.

He's not supposed to have the main event of Starkade 86 with this guy.

No, I'm not saying there's two different things between having a long competitive match and working with a guy as a job guy where you're not trying to get over.

He wasn't, if this is his

impressive shit, he ain't as impressive as fucking Bandito

or Vikingo or whatever.

It would seem to me if they're trying to get Mystico over,

then he should come out working to fucking get over.

He okaded this thing.

He sleptwalked through it.

He just did the shit that he needs to do.

It wasn't long.

He won, but he didn't stand out as

being, he's not as impressive as our friend Frank Mortis.

So

it was nice if you know that he's a big deal, but you wouldn't,

he wouldn't become a big deal to you from this, I guess is what I'm saying.

But nevertheless, they're going to hoke it up more anyway

because after the match is over, here comes the Hurt Syndicate.

And there was kind of some staring and

et cetera.

And finally, MVP spoke up and pitched it to MJF.

And MJF cut a promo on Mystico.

The fans are booing the shit out of him.

I guess they were happy at that point finally to see a fucking heel.

But the whole thing now is

MJF said, I'm going to unmask you in Mexico and I'm going to be wearing the red, white, and blue.

And he shoots the confetti off and drops the flags and the streamers, the red, white, and blue.

The United States is such heels to the rest of the world right now.

The fans of the United States are booing the fucking flag.

This is a goddamn bizarro.

Anyway,

I think they were booing MJF.

MJF got booed out of the building more than once.

Well, yes, but you could, that's the thing: you can now use the American flag to get heat as a fucking heel.

We've come this far as a country.

And then Mystico.

snatched the microphone away from him and spoke broken English in the voice of the mayor of Munchkinland.

He literally sounded like the

he, Billy Barty.

You remember that name?

Look him up, kids.

Billy Barty.

Sigmund the sea monster.

Yeah.

He sounded like this.

He sounded like he was talking like the little

people.

He was in the movie Body Slam.

And he was in, and he was in UHF, Noodles Macintosh.

And so we've got now we've, again,

yes, if it's for Mexico, that's great.

But on United States television,

we're trying to MJF, who's trying to be in the top heel group here, is

having a promo battle with the mayor of Munchkin Land, who's speaking Spanish to him.

That's where MJF called him Sloppy Sincara.

And then Mystico hits MJF, and the Hurt Syndicate jumps him, and they're going for the mask.

But

here comes Kevin Knight,

Hong Kong Fuye, and Masquerita Dorito.

And

the heels have to roll to the floor.

The babyfaces, all three of them,

they hit the far ropes and they get off kilter, but they're doing a triple dive and they dive on everybody.

And Dorito, by the way, replaced the other guy, who, a commander?

Is that who was supposed to be in this group?

Yes, Commander was one of the international killers in this group.

Yes.

well he got killed domestically because he got injured

for real so instead of just saying the guy's injured and dorito is going to take his place they had the heard syndicate video of him jumping commander in the back but beating him up he's already down type phony

they

Tony and his mind and the way that things have to be and ordered his mind, he couldn't just announce that this guy that nobody gives a shit that's in this cold six-man that nobody gives a shit about,

we're going to substitute him because he's hurt.

They have to do a phony angle to explain it.

So then

they've done the dives, and then all six guys wandered around for a while and they started the six-man tag.

The hurt syndicate, Lashley, Benjamin, and MJF

against who I dubbed the squirt syndicate,

Hong Kong Fuye, Kevin Knight, and Dorito.

And

I think they've jumped the shark finally with the Hurt Syndicate.

I mean, part of this, it could have been,

it could have been okay if they just beat these fucking little shit balls up

and get some heat.

They started beating the shit out of him at the beginning.

MJF, by the way, dressing in the MVP style tights, that looks good.

It shows him being a part of the group, but still he's individual.

It's an homage, whatever.

But at one point, they had to let these goofballs take over.

And

these guys are not ready to handle this.

And they shit the bed.

At one point,

mostly MJF sold toward the beginning and to the middle of the match.

But did you see the part where

Kevin Knight had MJF going and he reached to the corner to tag Hong Kong Fuye?

But Hong Kong Fuy jumped into the ring and walked over to him and tagged his partner while he was standing there in the ring

because he was so intent on.

turning MJF around to shoot him off in the direction he was supposed to go for the next spot.

He got into the ring, walked over to his partner and tagged him.

How do you do that if you've been in wrestling school for two weeks?

Even the young dogs don't do that.

That shouldn't even work in your brain.

I go.

Yeah, it's true.

When have you ever seen anyone do that?

Well, it's like if I got up today, I said, I'm going to go walk on some water.

I just wouldn't, you know, the end of this match, specifically the stuff of Kevin Knight and Speedball working with Shelton and Bobby, fell apart.

It completely fell apart.

And if you watched, it looked like

I don't want to name names, but it looked like a couple of guys had routines in their head that they had already figured out how it was going to work out, and the other guy may not have realized it.

Yes, and/or

did not executed what was in their head properly.

I don't know.

Well, okay.

Again, the match made no sense to put together to be competitive with these baby faces when you've got all your stars in one basket here.

And then there was a point where

MJF had been selling and he

actually rolled and dove and made a hot tag to Lashley.

But of course, there was not a peep because heels can't make a hot tag.

That's not even a thing that happens.

But he did it.

And

then MJF rolled to the floor.

So Spitball and Knight

got in against Lashley and Benjamin and just while they just started a four-way while the referee was staring at them.

And

the babyface's partner, Dorito, was on the apron staring at this.

But

the hurts were beating the shit out of the two babyfaces while the other babyface was on the apron watching.

If you're going to do a four-way in a six-man tag and the referee is going to stand there and watch it, then what is preventing the other babyface from coming in?

Because you're already doing shit without a tag.

So why would the babyface stay?

Oh, there's only two heels in the ring.

So even though they're fucking pulling my partner's balls off and shoving them down their throat, I can't get in.

It's against the rules.

What the fuck?

Then

MJF asked to tag back in

against Spitball and hit a big move on him and got a two count.

What is wrong with these people?

This fucking little child kicking out on MJF.

Then they bumped MJF out again.

And then Spitball was doing the little goofy ballet kicks with Lashley.

And then that's when

Fuy and Kevin Knight tried to do a double team spot where Lashley was in the corner and

Hong Kong was going to alley-oop Kevin Knight over his head and he was going to catch Lashley in a double team or in a double or in a DDT is what I'm trying to say.

But he went up over fucking Fuye and when he landed, he missed the grip and they fucking the stuff.

So he just drugged Lashley down on top of his head.

And then

Shelton grabs Spitball and gives him a German suplex, but the little dork did a flip and land on his feet.

And as Shelton stood up and turned around, Knight was going to jump up and dropkick him.

At least that's what I think it was, because that's what Shelton was bracing for.

That's what it looked like.

But

at the last second,

Knight didn't do anything.

He jumped up and kind of stuck his leg up, but he didn't throw a leg out.

He wasn't anywhere close enough to Shelton to hit him with a knee.

He just jumped straight up in the air.

Shelton is already turning, putting his hand up to take the dropkick, and he's already starting to lean backwards.

So when he realizes that the fucking guy didn't hit him with anything,

he stumbled backwards on his ass and spun back up.

And then they hit him with a double drop kick.

So then, bear in mind, the referee has stood stark, staring, slap-jawed, watching this four-way for minutes with no tags.

And now you look on the wide shot, Dorito has just gone down on the floor.

He's standing on the floor, not even participating

through this whole thing.

And MJF has completely disappeared.

And so now the Hurt Syndicate looks like stumble bums working with these non-working botch children.

And then

the two baby faces do a dive,

and suddenly then Dorito jumps up from the floor, runs across the ring, jumps up to the top, and dives on MJF on the other side, who was doing nothing to anybody and hadn't been seen for five minutes.

And then Spitball went up to the top, and MVP gets up from commentary and hits him with his cane

and knocks him off the top rope.

And MJF hits the DDT one, two, three.

This is why,

even if they get good talent, if they sign good talent in AEW,

or if some talent just accidentally starts getting over,

they still can't draw with it because they can't pick talent to face it.

And they always put the star in a position where they are devalued by the indie children running rampant.

And the fact that the manager of Shelton Benjamin, Bobby Lashley, and an MJF, the Hurt Syndicate, would have to interfere and use his cane to fuck this small

child-sized dork.

This should have been a job match with underneath babyfaces, which they are,

to get the Hurts Syndicate ready to draw some money somehow with somebody else you can buy as a top main event guy or guys.

But instead,

if they need to cheat to beat this Twink,

then how are they to be taken seriously against real fucking wrestlers?

So it was a good run, Hurts.

It must have been love, but it's over now.

All right.

Well, that was.

Well, hold on.

No, there's more.

There's more.

There's more.

Because then

the hurts started beating up the baby faces after the match.

Too little, too late.

And they take Dorito's mask off and everybody, oh, that's terrible.

And then Mystico runs in.

And again, while Lashley and Benjamin are on the floor 10 feet away,

instead of Mystico running in and fucking pickling MJF with something just to get a little something for their match, he's got to spin around MJF and take him down in his arm bar and start cranking the arm bar

to where Shelton and Bobby have to flummox and flummox instead of getting in and grabbing the guy.

And then Mystico runs off.

After all of that.

So,

what the fuck?

What the actual fuck is wrong with these people?

And I'm not Kevin Knight,

start him off at the bottom as a preliminary guy, give him a year where he

loses most, but wins a few, but then he starts winning more than he loses, and then something happens and he gets involved in something.

You got a talent.

Dorito is the same or not as good as 10 other interchangeable lucha guys that they've already got.

And Hong Kong Fuye,

you couldn't bet on him in a fight with a lingerie model.

Just because he's a nice guy in the locker room or somebody's impressed with his fucking gymnastic ability.

I'm sorry, he's an insult to a professional wrestling program.

But this is their stars.

What the fuck is the matter with these people, Brian?

I don't know.

The Hurts Syndicate in a weird place where they kind of just do things amongst themselves and every now and then beat other people.

It may take a while like this did, but there's no feud.

You know, maybe they'll get behind the idea they're there to help MJF get the world title.

He was there to help them.

They're already tag team champions, just to help them, I guess.

But there's no one, they're not working with anyone.

There's no feud.

There's no.

Who is there?

I mean, they kind of teased this last week with the International Killers, and then Commander went away, and he was replaced by, you know, it's like Jimmy Snooka leaving, and here's C.

V.

Alfie.

They just got another guy and threw him in there.

It went a while.

And again, it was kind of painful watching Shelton and Bobby.

You know, I know sometimes they kind of, sometimes they wobble.

It didn't even go down, but still, they're selling for guys.

I'm not saying like MJF shouldn't sell if he's getting attacked by one of these guys.

But Shelton and Bobby selling for speedball was ridiculous.

And see, that's the thing is is that they're trying to, you know, sell and register at a realistic level.

But when the guys are fucking up the moves or the timing of the moves or trying to do shit that's just above them, don't do shit you don't know how to do.

That, you know, that would help out, but

they're trying to help these guys as best they can, you know, because

You got to work to some extent with everybody, but they need

some grown adult men that are serious wrestlers that people can buy as a threat in the ring to these guys, both in the ring and on the microphone.

And they haven't got either because all their babyfaces are fighting amongst themselves and are all a bunch of fucking pussies.

What were we just saying, Brian, a minute ago about the other babyfaces?

Old Swerve and Osprey.

They're fighting with each other.

Osprey looks like shit.

And now they got another big babyface, right?

The old hangnail, Adam Page.

He's the guy that burns people's house down when he's a heel, but as a babyface, he's just a feckless putz.

Because

while Osprey is getting himself

beat to death, trying to get Swerve and Paige to cooperate with each other in order to fight the evil boar horseman.

Paige is supposed to be doing an interview.

They play his music, and here comes Claudio and old Wheeler dragging Paige out of the entranceway with his hands tied behind his back and his mouth duct taped.

And everyone sits there just kicking his shit out of him, even dragging him to the ring.

And they take him and roll him in a ring and beat him up a little more.

And Dick the Boozer gets in the ring with the microphone, and his opening line is, I'm terribly sorry about all this.

And now, because in his fantasy and the movie that he's shooting, old Moxley thinks he's, you know, the head terrorist or whatever.

So he proceeds to speak calmly and boringly to Paige while Paige looks like a fucking moron being held down by these two.

And the fans are chanting, shut the fuck up.

Like big boy Caprice on Downers.

And he droned on forever.

Did you understand what he was really getting at here?

It's not like it's ever apparent.

Man, it's been a year now.

I still have no idea what the fuck his problem is with anything.

We don't know.

We have no idea what's going on with the family.

He wants them to be better.

So he wants them to be tougher, but he wants to bring your best.

Well, but meanwhile, I've got my guys beating the shit out of you and tying you up so I can say this.

But there were no referees or officials in sight.

When it's convenient for them,

if two girls are about to get in a fucking slap fight, they'll run a dozen people out there to get in the way.

But when one of their goddamn top stars is hogtied and fucking tied up and having the shit kicked out of it, it's just, oh, don't go out there and do anything about this.

It doesn't make any sense.

It's schizophrenic.

They're all over the place.

Something gets broken up in an instant.

Something nobody helps anybody at all.

If some people are trying to justify it, the announcers are saying, well, Paige hasn't made a lot of friends in the locker room.

What about the cops or the security or the referees?

Do they have to be your friend?

Get an ICE agent in there for Christ's sake.

They need some more people to bully and push around.

No one saw them dragging around this duct-taped man.

Baxter, they had to drag him past the owner of the company.

Tony Khan is established.

He sits at Gorilla.

They had to drag him past the owner.

None of it.

There's no consistency.

There's no logic.

So then

after Moxley finishes his promo, Paige just leans up and headbutts him.

And Moxley sells that and his heels beat him up some more.

And then

music plays.

And here comes Samoa Joe and Shapupi and guess what?

Hobby, I don't remember who else was there.

And

then the heels ran off.

Why didn't you fucking play that song five minutes ago?

What the fuck?

He ran from the song.

Where was Joe and all of those guys

that they just, right when Paige starts fighting back, the only offensive blow Paige struck was, hey, guys, come on out.

It looks like.

We might be able to take him now.

He's coming back.

Before they were scared, they didn't want to.

And then Paige screamed and drooled and ran after him.

Man, and we're still weeks away from that big event.

So who knows what will happen next week?

I don't know if I'd say who knows or who cares, but should they bring back, should he light Moxley's house on fire?

It's been established.

I'm not saying it was a good idea, but now that it's been established that this man is a drunken arsonist.

But here's the thing.

They can save money this time because they don't need to buy a house or shoot it.

They just use that meme of a burning dumpster floating down a river hey look i set moxley's house on fire

don't do that that meme

so then they gave us megan brain and penelope pit stop against anna jay and ty mello jello

And then they gave us a VTR package because the bigger match.

You didn't watch that at all?

Oh, now you're not going to stop us and slow us down.

Oh, yes.

That was good.

That was a good match.

It was good.

It was good.

It was good.

It was a good match.

And

I mean, like, you know, Anna Jay just looks good.

You just, how do you not just stop and watch that for a little bit?

How many stars do you think Uncle Dave gave it?

I don't know.

How many tongue wags do I think he gave it?

I don't know.

I don't think Dave tongue wags at girls like Anna Jay anymore.

But then,

why are you just don't just don't snicker over there?

Gladiator.

It was a good match.

It was a good match, Gladiator.

And

that's all I have to say about that.

You know, about, I don't like these young girls.

I like when back when the girl wrestlers knew how to hold their liquor.

by the ears.

So then we had a package

of Kenny and Oblada in Japan.

You know, I must admit that it does look like our friend Olo Sleepy used to work harder in Japan than he does now.

I will admit that.

When was this footage from?

The 90s?

No, this is from like, what, 2016, 17, 18?

Right before the start of AEW.

I mean, it's the years leading up to the start of AEW.

Talk about time being hard on a son of a bitch.

So, this led up to the contract signing, and that's what everybody's been wanting to talk about.

That's what the clip went out around on the internet.

That's when

they jumped the shark for this week, however else you want to lay this out.

They're getting

Oblada and Twinkle Toes in the ring together to sign the contract for their big dream match showdown at

the stadium in Texas

that all of the AEW fans fans are just, oh my, it's going to be so great.

Oh, my gosh, it's them.

It's them.

And for the occasion, Brian, I might add, Tony Schiavone was in the ring as he calls these two out.

And at least they were wearing

suits of some description.

They just come out.

You know,

Oblotta left his fishing outfit home and Kenny didn't come out in the fucking sweatpants.

But Schiavone is there with the table in the ring.

And it's, because one of them is the

international champion, and the other one's the intercontinental champion or whatever.

So now, when they have this match,

it's going to be for the new AEW Unified Championship, and they got a new belt made for the occasion.

The other two belts are only like a year and a half old.

Well, plus, isn't Okada's Okada's belt tied to the Continental Tournament?

No, that ended when Kingston lost something to somebody.

But then Okada won the next year's tournament.

I don't know.

Oh, I don't know.

Well, nevertheless, but with the AEW Unified Champion, what does Moxley have to say about that?

He's the goddamn AEW World Champion.

How can you have the

two of the many secondary belts merged into a belt called the AEW Unified Belt when the fucking world champion doesn't have anything to goddamn say about it.

What sense does any of this make?

They're just making belts to give guys belts to have matches for belts.

Do you think they should unify the unified championship and the world championship once they get it out of the briefcase?

At some point?

A unified world championship.

Do you think that they're going to find out that Moxley lost the goddamn thing

had got confused somehow and forgot where he left it?

And he came up with the briefcase angle just because he didn't want to tell them he lost the belt.

It would just be funny if it opened up like, hey, what's all that brown and gray powder?

Where's the belt?

Where's the belt, Moxley?

After all this shit, what'd you do with the belt?

I traded it for the dream powder.

But they, so back to Kenny

and our friend Oblada.

They both signed a contract and Kenny speaks breathlessly about how great the match is going to be.

And then suddenly here comes Don Fallus in the entranceway.

And he and Kenny start going back and forth.

And

even when Don is saying some stuff that could be construed as serious, you can't take it as serious.

And again, he's the the overt comedy rather the on-purpose comedy the comedy you can see through

rather the other night he took a cheap shot from ringside and had to stumble and fall down

but they do their back and forth and then you know kenny's like i know all your tricks and don well you don't know this one

And guess who jumps Kenny from behind?

The guy he's in the ring with, that he's about to fight, Oblada,

who jumps him from behind and

brian i don't know if by then your mind may have been wandering but when okada jumped on kenny thanks a lot yeah

did you look at the blows in quotation marks i knew you were going to go there yeah the forearms He looked like a nine-year-old having a tantrum.

They were in no way connecting with any force.

It was like he was just crying

on Kenny's back.

And they got the slowest paced, most boring heat ever,

where

they would, they do something.

Callus pulls out the police baton and it telescopes out.

And they hit him a shot with it in the stomach.

And oh, he goes down.

The diverticulitis.

Okay.

See, you've hit him in the stomach, but now they're just walking around

and then they hit him in the head with it okay

and then

within seconds within seconds there's a doctor and there's referees and there's a stretcher

again the The previous segment, they had a guy practically disemboweled and nobody came out.

But now within seconds, this manager and one guy have hit this other guy twice.

Here they come,

and they're just putting him on the stretcher without even looking at him.

They didn't, is he breathing?

We don't know, get him on a stretcher, that'll help

because they got to do the spot.

And then Okada jumps on the top rope and comes off with an elbow drop off the top rope on his stomach.

Okay, and then more nothing happens while they're Chris Daniels gets in the ring and is arguing with Don and

Okada while they're putting Kenny on his stretcher.

And then, but finally, Oblada goes up and goes to the top rope.

Kenny's on the stretcher on the wheelie thing on the floor.

And Okada comes off with an elbow drop off the top rope to Kenny's stomach while he's on the gurney.

And Kenny proceeds to projectile vomit a fucking geyser

of fake blood everywhere.

And I mean, this wasn't like, I'm going to bite the rubber and I'm going to bleed from the mouth.

For one thing, they just use fake blood because they're unprofessional and they don't care.

But for another thing, it wasn't even like,

I'm going to bleed from the mouth and cough up a little blood.

It was like goddamn Saw 17.

Brian, if this blood had allegedly been real

and he regurgitated this much blood, would there be any possibility of saving this man's life?

Oh, no, he'd have to be at the hospital on a minimum.

He may be dead.

For that much, it was a lot, and it was just like he was gurgling it.

It was spitting.

And when he was making the funny faces, the funny puffy faces that he makes in the ring when he's huffing and puffing and pointing and going to hit the ropes and do the canterberry knee or whatever.

He looked like Louis Armstrong trying to play the fucking fucking trumpet.

He was blowing on purpose in front of the camera

so that it would go further.

And then he, but he said, they had given him a sip of like a pint of this shit.

And it was so

ridiculous.

And then, plus, when it got on the white shirt, then you could tell the food coloring because it's not as dark as real blood.

It was lighter.

But no, there was no potential way this was was in any way real.

And we didn't read his obituary the next day.

So now,

if you're keeping track,

they

super kicked

Will Osprey, the one-top babyface, in the face with thumbtack-adorned tennis shoes.

And they had to cover his face up because he wasn't bleeding, but they said he was, so they couldn't show it.

But he's fucked up.

Then

they brought

Paige out

with his hands tied behind his back and his mouth duct taped and just kicked the shit out of him.

Now they brought Kenny out

and they killed him.

They killed Kenny.

You bastards.

They just actually

what looked like murdered him and had him carried out by medical authorities.

And the only one that didn't actually bleed or get carried out or both of the top four baby faces was Swerve.

And he still got the shit kicked out of him, didn't he?

I think, didn't he?

Yeah, he got the shit in the face a bunch of times with a thumbtacks.

Yeah, before the thumbtacks.

Yeah, he was, yeah, he was handcuffed and chained to the wall like a torture victim in Torquimata's rampage.

Boy, these babyfaces, I'll tell you what, I want them on my side.

You see, they get the job done.

This is why MJF was smart.

This is why he knew he had to be aligned with the hurt syndicate.

He's safe.

But and then

after they murdered Kenny, even though nobody was really chasing them and the

people that came out were just concerned about getting Kenny back to get him some attention, Don then grabs old sleepy and says, let's get out of here.

They're going to kill us.

And they ran to the back and jumped in an SUV and sped off at a high rate of speed with nobody whatsoever chasing them.

Yeah, who was going to kill them?

Yeah, was it the fans or was it the personnel?

Who was going to kill them exactly?

I don't know.

The fans were going to kill them faded leave pretty soon because the fans were pretty well sick of them.

But I know there was no threat from any of the wrestling-oriented personnel in the building to do anything to them.

Well, the best part about it was in a classic AEW moment, just to throw back to the good old days of Awful.

As they're running out of the building, come on, we got to go.

They're going to kill us.

Marvez runs out of nowhere.

Yes.

Nowhere.

Here's Marvez.

Yes.

We haven't seen him.

They're running.

They're in the back of the building where the cars park and it is still in the building, not in a parking lot, but they're in the back and they're running.

And there's Marvez just standing there holding a microphone as they unplanned run by.

And he's like,

what in the world are you guys doing?

And they say, We don't have time to talk to you now.

And they ran off.

So they just

do they just stand him back there.

And if anybody runs by, he said, Talk to him.

He was ready to run.

It was one of the funnier moments, I think, of the whole show.

That's what you want, funny moments in the middle of these segments.

But again, they're putting over their heels as strong as possible.

If we want to look on the bright side,

at least it was one of those fold-out night sticks, not a screwdriver.

Maybe we've moved on from that level of ridiculousness.

I don't know.

Omega,

geez, if there were any athletic commissions, they would watch this and go, There's no way I'm clearing this guy.

Uh, we'll see.

Uh, again, they put over

how many weeks away are we from all in?

That's July 12th, so we're a month away.

I mean, it's a lot of TV time.

Well, he's going to need a complete bowel refucking removal and replacement and

all that other stuff.

That takes time.

He should wear a bodysuit like Slim Goodbody.

Show his organs.

He can point to them for the kids on the way out.

Now, see, kids, here's where I got my pancreas replaced and they had to remove the spleen and put it up next to my asshole.

Now, that was the official end of dynamite.

It rolled into collision, but in terms of like,

that would have been the typical overrun, but that was the end of dynamite.

Yes, that was an overreach of an overrun.

That was the end of regulation.

And we've got a couple more things to comment on.

But Brian, I can't help but think

that instead of the collapsible police baton,

If instead the heels had taken something that's really tough and durable and hit kenny in the stomach with it like maybe a a work boot from our new friends over at brunt and just kicked it like the marin the marin work boot from brunt just kicked him right in the gut with it boy howdy he'd have gone down he'd have never come up because these boots they're they're made to take a licking and keep on ticking you love your brunt work boots don't you

First of all, they're comfortable.

Second of all, I feel like they make me taller.

So those are two good things to start with.

I feel like, oh oh man, I'm a good 6'2 now.

But no, they're great.

These are high quality.

These are great.

Suzanne saw them.

She said, how can you get me anything?

I said, you know, I have a promo code if you want to get yourself something.

But these are really great boots.

And

yeah, I've become quickly a big fan of Brunt.

Luckily, they sent a hat too.

Because now I can advertise how much I like them.

This is good stuff.

You, and of course, now you're not known for going out and slopping around in the mud and working at the yard, but down here, down south on the plantation here,

I've had a lot of trouble with boots.

And this is for real.

This is legitimate.

It's not even a bit here.

I had a pair of boots several years ago that I wore them to work out in the yard and a wheelbarrow and fucking dig and goddamn carry shit and brush and whatever.

And I wore them until the goddamn sole came off of them.

And I had to duct tape the sole back onto the boots.

So I was walking around with one boot with duct tape around the toe of it because the, and then when the duct tape would get wet and or fucking worn around then i would trip because the sole would start flapping on the toe you see what i'm saying there you see what i'm saying that to you boy the toe was flapping on the sole you let your soul go i let my soul go my soul was loose soul patrol so Stace got me another pair of boots and they were a beautiful looking pair of boots, but I wore them one time out the yard

and I didn't wore a sore on my heel that took two weeks to heal.

I couldn't wear any shoe.

I couldn't hardly walk.

And then I got the ones that I've had until just up here just lately.

And they've been fine.

They didn't hurt my feet.

And they've got a non-slip sole.

And they're good boots for the mud and everything.

But

over the springtime, you may have heard, Brian, that it's rained about a foot and a half this year so far.

It's raining today.

Down here in Louisville.

Didn't you say it?

It's raining.

It poured rain here just a little while ago while we were doing this program.

It's rained all the time.

When the Monroes were out cleaning the creek out this spring and I was back there, the boots that I had are not waterproof.

I was like, shit, my feet are cold.

I look down and have a goddamn

feet are soggy like I was barefoot in the creek from all the water down there.

So

the Marin work boot from our friends that I mentioned at Brunt, that's Brunt B-R-U-N-T,

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Brian, that means you can stand on your roof in a severe lightning storm.

And if you get hit, it'll just fry the people in the house.

It won't hurt you at all.

Well, again, I don't think, first of all, don't do that.

Second of all, I don't think it means that.

Third of all, let's talk about the positives.

Let's talk about the realities i like the fact that i now have something i can go out there and get dirty with the kids i never want to get my flip-flops dirty now i got a good pair of boots you're flip-flop well you'll lose four or five toes into some kind of work related accident from people with shovels anymore pickaxes and everything not anymore in flip-flops you would but now you won't And as a matter of fact, that's a take a pickaxe to one of these son of a guns.

You know, take the boot.

Take the boot.

No, no.

Take the boot and put it on your neighbor's head and then try to hit them in the head with a pickaxe and see whether that boot stops it or not.

How about this?

Let's make it something gentle, something that can't offend.

Load your boot like the grappler.

That's a test.

There you go.

That's a test.

Tap the toe of the boot on the ground and then kick your neighbor in the head with it.

And if he goes into a coma, you'll know.

No, again, no violence.

No violence.

No violence on this wrestling show, sir.

No violence on this wrestling show.

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And mud.

I'm still, I'm telling you what.

Well, if you're, if you're pumping out a septic tank or something, why do you keep going there?

You know, how about dealing with a well, I don't, I only go there once every couple of years, but you got to do it once every couple of years.

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And with that,

we'll go from Brunt to Grunt.

Back to AEW Dynamite.

Or actually AEW Collision, I guess.

Bearing the brunt of AEW television.

Well, it's downhill from here, as we will see when we talk about the ratings in a minute, but they followed up

the murder of Kenny Olivier

with the alas, poor Kenny, I knew him well

with a match between Kyle Felcher and Anthony Bowens.

I didn't choose to watch that match.

And then, did you enjoy seeing poor Carlos Cabrera?

I haven't seen him in 30 years, but it looks like they caught him ready to go on a shopping trip to costco and said hey you got to get in the ring he delivered his lines too so slowly you thought he was being held hostage i know it was like there was are we trying to read between the lines here it was how do i say as much as i can without stopping wwe from hiring me

but i know

Somebody's going to say, well, he's the Spanish announcer.

English is a second language.

That's why he was so halting and it was so awkward and it was just

didn't come together.

But he worked for the WWF doing a Spanish commentary 30 years ago.

It's not like he's recently been introduced to fucking English.

So, whatever, he's there at his casual clothes, like they just said, hey, jump in the ring.

And he beats around the bush and awkwardly introduces the living legend Atlantis

to a small smattering of applause.

applause.

And then

Atlantis and Atlantis Jr.

come out, and they're both in

Atlantis outfits.

But

Brian, you could tell.

I don't know how old Atlantis is.

I think they, well, the announcer said he was 62,

but

you could tell this was an elderly man wearing a lucha costume.

from the time he first walked out.

Could you not?

But what a lovely and timeless costume it is.

I actually think it's one of the better-looking Lucha costumes, more classic, themed, classy.

Yes.

But he still looked like a fucking.

I mean, you could imagine if he didn't have the mask and the outfit on, him wandering around the rehabilitation retirement home.

with the odd, the odd little old man movements.

He doesn't still wrestle seriously, right?

i don't they were doing this as an angle i haven't heard again i don't follow lucha too closely right now i haven't heard of him

is he booked up coming to wrestle fr since they did this angle or is it to

well here's what happened

atlantis and atlantis jr came out they didn't get a chance to speak because fr and stokely came out And I said, oh, fuck it.

And I wasn't even half listening because it just, it was a long promo and they're healing the Mexican fellows.

And Dax was, you know, doing it where he asked the question and he was going to answer it again.

And they finally end up getting in a fight.

And it was all FTR could do to get the decrepit 62-year-old man down.

I don't know if he ever actually went down.

I don't know if he could get back up if he went down.

He just kind of bent over and started hunching up a little bit while they were beating on him.

But

again, you've got FTR who,

regardless of the way that they've been treated or presented recently,

they're quality performers in the ring.

There's some way that they could potentially be rehabilitated to some standing.

And you're, they're now, it's not even fighting luchadors that are the complete antithesis of their in-ring style and what makes them special,

but it's goddamn ancient, antique luchadors that were,

you know, I mean, what was a living legend?

Carlos Cabrerso said a living legend.

You bring him back a legend for the record.

He was born in September 62.

And okay, then he's, he's, I'm, I am more

right now, Brian, I'm more spry.

I could throw a better punch and I could run faster than Atlantis Sr., who is one year my junior.

This is good.

Are we setting up a match?

I ain't gonna work with him because I'd have to do all the work.

So they finally they start getting

the man down and Adam Cole

runs in to make a save.

But here comes Kyle Felcher and take a shit.

And then here comes another masked guy.

And then here comes Bandito.

And then here comes Mystico.

And now they're having a fight between people that wasn't even in this goddamn original issue.

And then they play music and Brody King comes in.

Why did they have to play 10 seconds of Brody King's music when the other guys just ran out?

And there he, and it was a big, awkward mess, but the focus of the thing

was old Atlanta Sr., who could barely move and who looked like a baked potato wearing a lucha costume,

beat Dax up and ran him off.

And I use the word run in a very generous fashion out of the building.

So, what

again, do we have to go to the senior citizen community now to find

people that can beat up the top wrestlers on the roster here?

And

what is going on?

FTR is going to have a match with a Lucha team in Mexico.

Wonderful.

That doesn't mean that you make them look like complete fucking imbeciles and complete ineffective morons on the TV in America.

If you can't find somebody, if there is nobody in

Lucha Libre today that can get over as a star and be impressive, et cetera, And you don't book the fucking match.

But we're now it's senior citizens that were.

Am I overstating Atlanta Senior?

Well, again, he is a legend, although not really in the States, unless you're one of the fans who watched Lucha from Arena, Mexico in the States.

But he is a Lucha legend.

He's your age.

FTR, I I said it last time.

They lost a lot of luster and they're going down this road here.

At least the babyfaces kind of had one segment where they came out on top, I guess.

Well, yeah, but it wasn't even AEW babyfaces.

Well, that's true.

It was...

It was another company's babyfaces that don't appear here often and probably ain't going to appear here again after this Mexico show beating up the standard AEW talent.

And a lot of segments on the show turn into the end of UWF on Fast Fast Forward.

Just people running out.

Just what is going on here?

And then the show continues.

That was the end of the show.

Here it's just like, and there'll be more show after we clean up this mess.

Yes.

Every segment ends in.

It's breaking down in Tulsa.

We'll be right back.

So they came right back with Tony Storm, who came out to eat some more of Mercedes Moon's steak dinner that she had at Ringside.

But before that she could even get in the ring,

out came Julia Hart and Blue Sky, and they beat up Tony Storm on the floor.

And then the doctors came over to check on Tony, who'd been beaten up by her opponent and a henchman

on the floor.

And then they said, okay, she's all right.

So they rang the bell, started the match.

Oh my God.

Oh, my my God, these fucking people.

Tony's good about writing down angles that he's seen in the past.

He's just not good about remembering that he's done them all a hundred times.

So Tony Storm wrestled Julia Hart.

Mercedes was at ringside with her room service cart.

Storm won.

Mercedes got in a ring and beat Storm up.

Mina Mellons came out and ran Mercedes off.

But then

as Mina turned around to check on

Storm, Mercedes got back in the ring and beat Mina up too,

and then did her little stripper dance.

And then went out to find some Pacific Northwest woods to get lost in.

So again,

which angle are we supposed to remember from this one 10-minute girls match?

The one they did before the match, the one they did after the match?

Who's mad at who here?

Is it Julia Hart and Blue Sky that are mad at Storm,

or is it Mercedes that's mad at Storm?

Now, I know Mina would be mad at Julia Hart and Blue Sky, but she's got to be mad at Mercedes too,

because Mercedes beat her up.

I'm just trying to keep this straight, Brian, so I know what the angles are.

It sounds, I mean, you talked me into it.

I believe everything you just said.

Okay.

Well, then that is clear as day.

Mina held Tony Storm to her bosom.

That was her save.

She picked up her head and held it to her bosom.

We need to get a breast milk sponsor.

What?

We need to get a breast milk sponsor.

I was hoping that wasn't a what?

That wasn't like a repeat that what.

That was like,

that's a crazy what.

Well, I was just thinking, you know, who's the leader in the breast milk business these days?

I don't know.

They should sign up, you know, Mina and some of these girls for spokespeople.

And we could run the spots.

Well, hopefully, I don't know if they're just lactating, you know, at will on the go.

Is commercial breast milk more expensive than regular old vitamin D milk?

that you get in,

you know, various places like the convenience store.

How do we move on from this?

How do we, how do we?

I just didn't know whether there was a lot.

I bet there's a lot of money in it.

It's a specialized fucking product.

I'd be happy to be one of the milkers.

Someone's playing.

There's music.

That means.

Moving on.

Moving right along.

I'm moving on.

They had a mixed six-man.

I can't be one of the milkers.

A mixed six-man tag team extravaganza was up next

with

Minaj and Mansur, the male models, and they teamed up with Taya Valkyrie against Willow Nightingale, Mark Briscoe, and Ishii.

Poor Mark Briscoe.

So they had that.

Then

Bandito

had a nice little match with our friend Frank Mortis.

Did you?

You know what?

To what you said earlier, how, like, there's so many of these Luchadors, especially right now, this is like what they would do with Japanese wrestlers going into the big Forbidden Door show every year, but now it's Grand Slam International.

And since it's in Mexico, it's non-stop Luchadors on this show.

So many of them are interchangeable.

Bandito does have something a little different.

Yeah.

A little bit of size, charisma, even though he's wearing a mask.

He is a little different than a lot of these, you know, the commanders, the gravities, the hypertension.

I don't know.

Hologram.

Hypertension and Hologram were a good team.

I remember.

Except hypertension kept.

He gets so red in the face.

The finish of this match was just spectacular.

The silly wrestling fans applauded it.

Now, you know, old Rigger Mortis is, besides, he's wearing the bull costume, he's a big guy.

He's heavy, right?

He's a

hefty fellow.

And Bandito's not

bad.

He's a strong fellow.

He's got a good upper body.

So they decide to both climb up to the top rope and fight in quotation marks on the top rope.

And the finish of the match was them helping each other.

First one foot, then the other foot, then they're holding on to each other, the other guy, the other guy, so that they can stand up on the top rope

so that then Bandito can reach under and pick

Mortis up with a scoop slam position.

And Mortis can stand there balancing carefully.

And as soon as the scoop happens, he can go right up with him because they don't want to make any mistake because they're going to fall off and break both their necks.

And then Bandito turns around, gives him a backwards power slam off the fucking top rope.

The move itself, once that it actually went into motion, was a hell of a bump.

And it should have been the finish.

And old Bandito barely turned her over before he would have

landed on his head.

So

that part I don't have the problem with.

It's the 30 to 40 seconds beforehand where they helped each other climb up on the top turnbuckle and balance there precariously in order to cooperate with each other in pulling that fucking move off.

That's what I have the problem with.

And that's why, again,

the audience for AEW and maybe the modern audience, they just want, as we said on the last show, with Mr.

Iguana, they just want silly fucking wrestling.

And they don't, they applauded that.

bogus, phony fucking move because everybody landed hard,

not

jeering like holy fucking shit like any other fan for the previous hundred years would have because it was so laughable that they helped each other do it to begin with

i just thought i'd point that out

and i know that you enjoyed the match between thecla and queen waiota you know what it wasn't always uh built up to be i heard that i didn't see it by this point i was done i fell asleep this was so much stuff and again once it hits collision i have no obligation to watch any of this

but i heard

for thecla's debut queen aminata the way it was being presented to me was stiff with her wasn't cooperative with her no soul to finish and immediately got up and stormed off what someone said

so i had to see it

And this match was certainly, other than the pin, or other than the submission, other than the finish, this match was great at getting queen nominata over as an ass kicker yeah she's got size she's tall

but that wasn't i think what this was supposed to be i don't know what this was

well and i didn't watch closely for any ill will i just thought they were going to have a crummy match but but what it was was

i don't know if there was ill feeling or if maybe Thecla's one of these generous types that even though she's just started on the show and she has a gimmick and they're apparently trying to push her, she's going to just let the queen just look like a million dollars because old YIOTA just beat the shit out of Thecla

from the start of the match, pretty much to the finish.

You didn't see a lot of the Thecla stuff and she didn't do any of her shit really that gets over.

She did the backbend at one point.

And then

after she got her her ass handed to her for about 10 minutes or so, she got the submission hold on

Queen YIATA and won the match.

But I didn't pay any attention for the what did she look like she was perturbed when she rolled out and stalked off after the match.

See, that's the thing: I didn't notice anything, but then someone sent like a, and again, someone sent because it goes around it.

And they're like, Hey, did you see this?

It was a video, and it was like all the way zoomed in.

So you see, like the bottom rope in her head, and it's like, look at how mad she is.

She lost the match.

Well, it could be some, yeah.

Well, some of these people also leave the ring looking pissed off because they realize already that their performance was substandard.

Like the other day when

Bobby Lashley tried to spine buster that fucking guy 15.

No, it was Hobbes.

It was Hobbes.

I'm sorry.

Hobbes tried to spine buster the guy three or four times.

The guy kept jumping away from him.

Hobbs didn't look too fucking happy.

But nevertheless, that was that.

And then

the main event of collision,

we are four hours in now, was an eight-man tag team match because we haven't had enough multiple person matches.

After the 30-minute draw in a singles match, the job match with Mystico, the six-man with the hurts and the squirts,

the six-person mixed contest,

the goddamn endless run-ins

the uh contract signing that led to a murder now

we get cole o'reilly roderick strong and danny garcia with daddy mac in the corner against josh alexander lance archer take a shit and cha-cha-chia

with rocky and trent in the corner and that match ladies and gentlemen

ran over again second week in a row, they've got four fucking hours.

They're losing viewers like a goddamn carotid artery patient is losing blood,

and they still have to run it over.

And that was Wednesday night.

You see why I would rather be in the business of the old days when you could live in a nice place and you could work close to home and you could make a lot of money, all things considered, and you didn't have to deal with shit like this.

well again they're making nice money now

yeah but they got to deal like with shit like this

well some of them may not realize it's not everyone's shit is someone else's sometimes you think your own shit smells good

sometimes it's and sometimes it's shinola

all right well that was aew collision and that was the end of the uh night for aew summer

blockbuster was it blockbuster summer I don't know, Summer Spectacular thing.

I'm just wondering, Brian, you got any Shinola in your house?

We ought to start advertising Shinola also.

Gets a bad rap, it's always paired with shit.

Again, one of those expressions that.

Well, go ahead, yes.

I was just going to say, but speaking of not knowing shit from Shinola, before we talk about the ratings for this program, where it'll sound more like shit than Shinola, what's going on at the Arcadian Vanguard Network there, They're Oregon Meister.

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All right, let's close up by figuring out who and how many and why

did they watch that program this past Wednesday night?

Well, we have the ratings here.

There's a lot to open because it's two different shows technically.

AEW Dynamite, June 11th, 2025, 8 to 10:01 p.m.,

according to WrestleNomics.

On average, watched by 597,000 viewers.

Ouch, they're back below 600,000 for their big summer blockbuster.

That just breaks my heart.

And we'll just say it here too.

AEW Collision, same night, same place, same Tony place, same Tony channel

from 10.01 to 12.04 a.m.

397,000 viewers on average.

Geez, actually, that may be a little better than last week.

So they did better.

They did worse at the beginning, but better at the end.

How's this all going to play out, Brian?

Let's whip through these.

Another one of those weeks.

A lot of quarter hours here.

These were compiled by WrestleNomix.

Quarter one, 8 to 8:15 p.m.

The Adam Page, Christopher Daniels backstage segment with the Death Riders backstage two.

And the start of Swerve Strickland versus Will Osprey.

672,000 viewers.

Ouch.

Okay.

They started out in the 800,000s again last week, and then, of course, plummeted precipitously, but now they're back to much of their core audience at the start.

So I predict

dynamite ain't going to drop as far as it, as badly as it normally does, but then the gates are going to open with collision.

Go ahead.

Yes, the gates of agony, so to speak.

Yes.

Quarter two, 8.15, 8.30 p.m.

The continuation of Swerve versus Osprey with Picture in Picture, twice

618,000 viewers.

And there you go.

They lost 54,000, but normally it's a six-figure loss because they didn't start high and they've got their main event on early, so they're trying to keep them.

These are the faithful.

Let's see how high they can go.

We go to quarter three, 8.30 to 8.45 p.m.

The continuation again of swerve versus osprey the post match with the death riders the young bucks prince nana because

oh then it's a separate segment the kazushka okada don callus backstage angle

662 000 viewers

So do you think that they came back when they heard that the first match was still going or just

this is the fluctuation.

I don't know how that works.

The people just keep checking back in.

Is the match over yet?

Who knows?

But let's see what the rest of the story tells us.

Quarter four,

8:45 to 9 p.m.

An ad break.

The Hurts Syndicate Commander backstage angle.

Mystico versus Blake Christian.

Mystico and the Hurts Syndicate.

And Jet Speed Mascara Dorado live angle, as it says here.

573,000 viewers.

Ouch.

So now they're officially down 100,000 from the start, which

that ain't normally bad.

It's kind of average, except that they started low.

So they're already down below six at the end of the first hour.

Well, we go to the big nine o'clock hour, quarter five, nine to nine: 15 p.m.

Again, as it says it here, the continuation of jet speed and mascara Dorada, Speedball Bailey, Kevin Knight, and Mascara Dorada, that is, versus the Hurt Syndicate with Picture in Picture,

602,000 viewers.

Okay, so they picked up 29,000 at the top of the hour.

They are still remarkably consistent for an AEW program in that they're...

They're staying in the same 100,000 range for the first hour and 15 minutes.

That's very unusual.

Well, we go to quarter six, 9.15, and 9.30 p.m.

An ad break, the Adam Page Death Riders ops live angle, and an ad break, 563,000 viewers.

And back down, that's their lowest point at this juncture, but they're still only down 110,000 from the start.

We go now to quarter seven, 9.45 to 10 p.m.

Oh, no, excuse me.

9.30 to, where are we?

9.30 to 9.45.

No, we're at quarter seven.

Quarter seven, 9:30 to 9:45.

I messed up.

No,

quarter,

yes, yes, you're right.

Quarter seven.

9:30 to 9:45.

That's what I'm saying.

Megan Bain and Penelope Ford versus, as it says here, Tayj

with picture-in-picture ads.

The Kazushka Okada Kenny Omega video:

571,000 viewers.

So about 8,000 up from quarter six, about the same.

They're holding in there.

Hannah Jay.

We go now to quarter eight, 9.45 to 10 p.m.

Overrun in a sense.

Kazushka Okada and Kenny Omega video continued.

An ad break.

And

the

beginning and middle of the Okada Omega Don Cowless live angle,

517,000 viewers.

Jesus Christ.

So, Kenny, oh, oh, oh, where did the viewers go?

Low point in the key demo, 184, down from 217 the quarter before that.

So a big hit there.

Well, it was a low point for everything in the whole show from 672 at the start to 517.

It was a low point, not only viewership-wise, key demo, but artistically as well.

We go down to quarter nine, the start of collision, but the finish of Okada and Callas and Kenny's live angle.

This is 10 to 10.15 p.m.

The Adam Cole entrance,

and the start of Anthony Bowens versus Kyle Fletcher with picture and picture,

498,000 viewers.

Okay, so now they're under 500,000 and their

second program is going to to average under four.

So here they go.

Quarter 10, 10.15 to 10.30 p.m.

Bowens versus Fletcher continued.

The post-match with Lance Archer, Adam Cole, the Carlos Cabrera, Atlantis, Atlantis Jr., FTR Stokely Hathaway, Adam Cole live angle,

445,000 viewers.

Jesus, now

we're seeing attrition take hold.

They're getting the fuck out of there.

We go now to quarter 11, 10:30 to 10:45 p.m.

Continuation of the Atlantis family and Adam Cole and FTR and Callus.

Was Callus involved in that?

Says here: Don Callis family, Hedgechero, Bandito, Templario.

Oh, yeah, went into that match.

Brody King live angle.

And then Big Bill and Brian Keith and the Work Horseman backstage angle.

And Mercedes Mercedes Mercedes.

Mercedes Monet

Mercedes Mercedes Monet's entrance into the start of Tony Storm versus Julia Hart.

Jesus.

It's a lot going on there.

500, oh, picture and picture.

501,000 viewers.

Wait, man, they popped up to 501,000 out of nowhere for all that.

Gained 56,000 viewers back.

That's an anomaly.

Well, we go now to

quarter 12, 10.45 to 11 p.m.

Continuation of Tony versus Julia, the post-match with Mercedes, the Ricochet Blake Christian Lee Johnson backstage angle, an ad break,

Mark Briscoe and Tomo Hiro Ishii,

and Willow Nightingale versus the MM Collection and Ty of Alchery,

440,000 viewers.

And they're again, they're headed back down, and that's the low point of the night so far.

We go to quarter 13, the big 11 o'clock hour.

The continuation of Briscoe and Ishii E and Willow versus M and M and Taya.

The Chris Statlander Wheeler Yuda, Marina Shafir backstage angle, whatever that was,

and the start of the Beast Mortos versus Bandito with picture in picture, 384,000 viewers.

Ouch.

All right.

Let's keep this rolling.

We go to the next quarter, 11.15 to 11.30 p.m.

Continuation of Mordos versus Bandito.

Monet and

Zeus?

Z-E-U-X-I-S.

Mercedes-Monet and Zeus backstage angle.

I don't know what that is.

I don't know.

An ad break.

The Hangman Page, Young Bucks, Nana, Swerve backstage angle.

And the start of Tecla.

I was about to say Thecla.

Tecla versus Queen Aminada.

363,000 viewers.

11:30 to 11.45.

Continuation of Aminata vs.

Tecla.

Picture and picture.

Nick Wayne and Kip Sabian backstage angle and an ad break.

332.

11.45 to 12 p.m.

Recap of Hetchichero and Don Cowa's family versus Daniel Garcia and Paragon.

Well, picture and picture.

269.

And then five-minute overrun into the big midnight hour.

Hetchichero's whole thing continued 254.

89,000 in the key demo.

So, again, in four hours, they went from 672,000 to 254,000.

That's a loss of 418,000 viewers.

One day, something will gain.

Just wait.

One day my gains will come.

Heard by many wrestlers, actually, that song.

Yes.

They better hope it's capital gains because I don't think they're going to gain any audience with television programs like that.

But anyhow, anyhow, it's your show.

Well, we're going to be doing some other things next week.

Well, first of all, we're back on the drive-through here in the coming few days, and we'll have all kinds of updates and information and questions and everything.

And then next week, more of this on the experience, and we're going to start into,

hopefully, if we get the opportunity, we went through the AEW roster and picked a few out.

Hopefully, we're going to start with the WWE roster and see how we could pare that down to something acceptable.

And then

over the next few weeks, we're going to start polishing these things and see if you could come up with an acceptable talent roster with either of these bloated rosters that they've got, so that'll be fun to look forward to, won't it?

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, I really do want to hear you go through the WWE roster, that'll be interesting.

Well, and in the meantime, if something else happens, we'll be here to talk about it.

Just stay tuned.

We never go too far away, folks.

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besides love, peace, and soul, how about thank you, fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.