Episode 581: Potentially Something Else

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Speaker 1 He's in a fight for wrestling solar using a racket and some mind controller. He's Jim Cornette.

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Speaker 1 Hello again, everybody, and finally, welcome to another exciting drill-packed edition of the Jim Cornette Experience.

Speaker 32 I am indeed Jim Cornette, and today we debate who's crazier, Billy Jack Haynes or whoever booked last Wednesday's AEW television. All that and potentially something else.

Speaker 32 And joining me for all this and more. Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr.
Co-Host U. He's the conductor of this crazy train.
Be great, Brian.

Speaker 32 Last, everybody.

Speaker 1 Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again.

Speaker 1 We have a very interesting show.

Speaker 1 I'm getting a little sick of some of the weekly wrestling, but we always find good things to talk about in the middle of it all. And that's what I'm looking forward to today.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 it's later in the day than we tried to do this

Speaker 32 because for some reason, and I've been reporting in to everybody when we've had the severe weather, and I'm proud to announce that today the sun is shining, the birds are singing in Louisville, Kentucky,

Speaker 32 not a cloud hardly in the sky. It's a beautiful day.
It's 70 degrees. Why, just you just want to frolic in the fields.
And even though we have gone through

Speaker 32 severe thunderstorms and high wind warnings and floods and even a goddamn tornado a mile away and our electricity never blinked today just out of the blue we got no power

Speaker 32 i had just walked into the room where stacy was on the phone with her mother

Speaker 32 over at her uh beautifully appointed townhouse and they were both watching the same show on tv while they were on the phone and stacy said Well,

Speaker 32 my TV just went black.

Speaker 32 And her mother at the same time, well, my TV just went black.

Speaker 32 And I looked around and said, our house just went out.

Speaker 32 The power just quit not only here, but three miles away.

Speaker 32 Depending on what type of bird is flying, the cuckoo bird goes in all directions, Brian. I understand.

Speaker 32 And I just out of the blue on a beautiful day.

Speaker 32 And by the time that we could call and report it, she's calling on the phone to report to the power company. Hey, he ain't sending the same power over here.

Speaker 32 And I go out in the driveway in a neighbor's daughter's, I say, Y'all got any power over there? Y'all got any that power? I'm scratching my face. She said, No, it just went out.

Speaker 32 And by the time I walked back in the house, to boom, the power came back on.

Speaker 32 I don't know what happened and why that it would affect between not only us, but an area that large that three miles away, there's a lot of businesses and homes in that

Speaker 32 intermediate area. But what it did, Brian,

Speaker 32 was it cleared off all my shit.

Speaker 32 I had not only my paper notes, but I have my screen up here waiting to connect with you on this high technological fucking audio setup we got going on and.

Speaker 32 various copy and things, reports coming in from around. I had all my shit situated and orchestrated the way that I wanted it.
And suddenly everything's out.

Speaker 32 And then I was verclimped and bum fuzzled, as Ain Lola would say.

Speaker 32 And I didn't know what time it was. Do you know the clock here, Brian, that was sent to me?

Speaker 32 I'm patting the clock here now.

Speaker 32 That was sent to me by my good friend Chad over in West Virginia, one of the nation's top blind vendors. I've mentioned him several times on the show.

Speaker 1 He's blind?

Speaker 1 Or sells blinds. I don't remember.

Speaker 32 No, and he's not in the blind business, he's a blind man in business, he's a blind businessman.

Speaker 32 Shades and blinds and curtains, he operates the vending machines along the highway and the byways of our nation's mountaineer state. But nevertheless, he sent me this nice clock.

Speaker 1 Seems like a reasonable job for a blind person along the highways. We want you to do stuff.

Speaker 32 What he's got a lot of it covered, and you

Speaker 32 have to watch out on the days he's making deliveries, though, because he's driving up and down

Speaker 32 Anyway,

Speaker 1 so that's.

Speaker 1 That man's driving like he's blind. Well, that's trying to talk.
That's the man with Arthur Nola.

Speaker 32 That's the man that's going to stock the vending machine.

Speaker 32 But I'm trying to talk about this man's clock.

Speaker 32 I got it right here in my hands.

Speaker 32 He sent it to me to replace the clock that he had previously sent me. It kept gaining time, right? So he sent me a clock.

Speaker 32 It's even bigger and better has a great display but the problem is if for some reason when the power went on it reset at eight o'clock or i came back on

Speaker 32 it reset at eight o'clock in the morning and

Speaker 32 i've lost the book on how to

Speaker 32 set this thing because the the the graphics and and are not

Speaker 32 real good on this thing because it's for blind people, I guess. So it's, and see, look.
It is 8.59 a.m.

Speaker 32 See, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 Well, if a blind person could set it, how can you not set it?

Speaker 32 Well, they got special powers, Brian.

Speaker 1 Special power, that

Speaker 32 daredevil.

Speaker 32 Need I go on

Speaker 32 if you know you're when you lose a sense, your other senses are heightened, and their sense of how to figure out how to goddamn set this clock are

Speaker 32 apparently at peak operating power. But I can't.
It is 8:59 a.m. No, it's not.

Speaker 32 Anyway, so no, stop it. January 1st, no, 2023.
See, it's not January 1st, 2023 either.

Speaker 32 But I checked.

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Speaker 1 For people who can't see.

Speaker 32 It's supposed to see people could be behind miss important doctors appointments they could have goddamn had their sight restored if they didn't think it was two years ago at eight o'clock in the morning

Speaker 32 well

Speaker 1 imagine you're hitting that thing every day it's 2023 you don't know what's going on why is charlie always depressed well they could have given him back his eyesight yeah he had a problem with his clock and he was two years off

Speaker 32 And I checked my speed when I reconnectified everything and I'm 950 over 750 there, fella. That's great.

Speaker 32 So we got that going for us. And

Speaker 32 here, more,

Speaker 32 you know, just exciting news. I wanted to say, get well to my cousin Larry.

Speaker 32 I've mentioned him on a program on and off for the past couple of years. He's gone through numerous health issues.
And finally,

Speaker 32 they actually gave him a spinal tap,

Speaker 32 which doesn't sound pleasant,

Speaker 32 and re-figured out his medicines and his all this stuff. And he's been at home instead of the rehab facilities and

Speaker 32 getting around on the interior of the house, you know, a little, a little wobbly, don't, you know,

Speaker 32 don't try any cross bodies or anything. And

Speaker 32 just reasonably happy to be, you know, there. And he fell down the stairs and basically broke his his back, technically.

Speaker 32 Fractured a vertebra, in a vertebrae, vertebrae.

Speaker 32 One of those in his back.

Speaker 1 Missouri, Missouri.

Speaker 32 Well, no, nobody says Missouri.

Speaker 32 Would be Missoula, Montana, but we're not talking about her.

Speaker 32 She was a porn star.

Speaker 1 Missoula, Montana.

Speaker 32 And yes, and my cousin Larry has never met Missoula, Montana. I don't even, I'm doing it the same clip.

Speaker 1 But he has all of her movies.

Speaker 32 He might have seen some of her flicks.

Speaker 32 But anyway, so he's now back in bed. At least he's at home.
It was only in the hospital for a couple of days, but he's at home.

Speaker 32 But now he has to lay flat of his back in bed much of the next four to six weeks while they're not

Speaker 32 physical

Speaker 32 therapying him

Speaker 32 and doing the things that they need to do. So hopefully

Speaker 32 he will feel better soon again.

Speaker 32 You do think he kicked the old gypsy woman, Maria Ospinskaya, in the Wolfman movies at some point.

Speaker 32 He disregarded her and was cursed somehow. He's always been accident-prone since he was a kid.

Speaker 1 Or he just wanted time away for some more Missoula, Montana action.

Speaker 32 Well, but with the

Speaker 1 magazine form.

Speaker 32 He can't. See, he'd have to, he'd have to, with the back issue, though, he'd have to tape him to the ceiling.

Speaker 1 Hey, I don't know if you heard, and I hate to bring it up if you haven't, but, but I haven't said anything until now. But

Speaker 1 did you hear that Rob Moore passed away?

Speaker 32 I did not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a few weeks ago, there were a bunch of tweets and a bunch of different things that came in, but I thought you were copied on them. And I just thought about it.
We never said anything on the air.

Speaker 1 We've talked about him in the past on the air. But yeah, sadly, he finally succumbed.
I guess he he was battling a lot of things

Speaker 32 well and i'm

Speaker 32 sometimes i miss the tweets when things are happening around here or remember the other day i said i missed the tweets because they just cut off for a day or so i don't know but anyway i hate to hear that we won't bore everybody again with the story of how rob gave me the match idea that got me sued

Speaker 32 But he was a great guy and a big, big wrestling fan and had worked, you know, so as a ring announcer for so long and the promotions around,

Speaker 32 you know, that part of Texas, I hate to hear that. Hopefully, he was at least much older than I am because it seemed I remember we were somewhat contemporaries.

Speaker 32 That makes me nervous.

Speaker 1 Really nice guy. I got to meet him at Fan Week.
I was there when he came down in 94 for the thing that got you sued, but he really. That's the thing.

Speaker 32 That's what he did it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he wasn't there for the whole trip. He was just there for that event because it was his idea.

Speaker 1 But the next year, he came down for the whole trip and he was one of the nicest guys ever, former president of the Dingo Warrior Fan Club.

Speaker 32 But don't hold that against me.

Speaker 1 No, he once sent me a copy because it's so funny of the signed permission slip where, you know, Dingo Warrior. So I did.

Speaker 32 Which would stand up in any court of law in the nation.

Speaker 1 But he was a mainstay in Dallas. Like there are pictures of him just hanging out by the concessions in the sportatorium.
while the wrestlers are there. He's as big as some of them.

Speaker 1 But he had been there forever and he had done local radio and all sorts of things with the local wrestling companies. Really nice guy, though.
Really, really nice guy. Yeah.

Speaker 32 Well, we hate to hear that. And yeah.

Speaker 32 You know,

Speaker 32 now that we've cheered everybody up, I've told them about Larry laid up in a bed with a broken back, and you've mentioned that another of our friends passed away.

Speaker 32 Let's try to concentrate on the positive things in life by having people tell us. negative things about ourselves.
Shall we?

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 people are gonna that's exactly i mean i'm used to it here on the show you say awful things about me all the time people are going to tell us negative things about ourselves i but in my case they're usually true but in this case

Speaker 32 jonathan what's it hold on here his name is jonathan

Speaker 32 from fort francis ontario canada

Speaker 32 Jonathan.

Speaker 1 Where's that? Do you know where that is? Have you ever been there?

Speaker 32 I have no idea. Fort Francis sounds like a nunnery.

Speaker 32 Do Do you think potentially he's been locked in a room somewhere in a nunnery for some reason to be used and abused and then thrown away like a used Kleenex on the peep show booth floor of life?

Speaker 32 Or maybe he just lives there.

Speaker 1 Where are you? I'm at Fort Mary.

Speaker 32 Fort Francis. But nevertheless, hello, Jim and Brian is how he begins his letter to us.

Speaker 32 Why does, and then he proceeds to talk mostly about me.

Speaker 32 Why does Jim always feel the need to comment on the way someone he is discussing looks?

Speaker 32 It's almost always in a negative context. Look at how fat Paul Heyman is.
Nia Jax looks like a refrigerator. Nia Jax has a whiny voice.
See, he keeps harping on the same person.

Speaker 32 Liv Morgan and Alexa Bliss are too short. My God, look at how old so-and-so looks.
They're only a few years older or younger than I am.

Speaker 32 Things like aging and vocal tone and height can't be helped. And therefore, it's unfair to judge someone based on these attributes.
As far as weight goes, some,

Speaker 32 like Nia Jax, have factually lost a lot of weight over the course of their careers, which is not easy to do.

Speaker 1 Factually.

Speaker 32 Factually.

Speaker 32 If you want to crap all over someone's abilities in the world of wrestling, then go for it. But it's irrelevant to critique anything else about them.

Speaker 32 Now, let's hold on. Let's just stop here.
He does have more. We'll come back to it.

Speaker 1 There's more?

Speaker 32 Jesus. Oh, there, there's more.

Speaker 1 Francis. But

Speaker 32 factually,

Speaker 32 someone's abilities in the world of wrestling are what we are critiquing because it is not only if you can train a chimpanzee

Speaker 32 to go out and

Speaker 32 perform wrestling moves,

Speaker 32 does that mean you can just let them main event wrestle mania?

Speaker 32 Don't the looks and the athletic ability, which is part of

Speaker 32 body type

Speaker 32 and

Speaker 32 personality and ability to talk and communicate and connect with the audience, all those things are what separate us, Brian, from the lesser primates, right? From the chimpanzees.

Speaker 32 So if we are not allowed to critique anything other than the specific execution of the wrestling maneuver,

Speaker 32 then we are severely hamstrung in our attempts to paint a full picture, are we not?

Speaker 1 Well, again, it's, I think specifically what Francis said was that you were judging people based on these traits. If you're judging someone or reviewing someone's promo,

Speaker 1 their voice and the way they deliver stuff have to be discussed.

Speaker 1 There are times it doesn't work for Seth Rollins. He's too whiny.
And then there's other time, then there's other times it works. And we've called him out on both times.

Speaker 1 So that's in terms of voice, because he brought up voice all of a sudden, too. Height.

Speaker 1 Again, you know, if Charles Midget Midget Fisher were here

Speaker 1 and had that credibility, you would just dismiss it. Chad Gables, a shorter guy.
We never bring the height into the discussion. It's always about the seriousness of the character.

Speaker 1 There are some people that seem really fucking small. Alexa Bliss,

Speaker 1 probably one of them. I've never said it about Liv Morgan.
You've turned around on Liv Morgan. She's proven herself to be a star.
But those are the two examples. And Nijak sucks.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 speaking of the female roster, I will get back to Francis here from Fort Jonathan in Ontario.

Speaker 32 I've enjoyed your show for a long time, but it's quickly becoming the last bastion of fat shaming, ageism, and sexism for sure.

Speaker 32 If someone is smaller, if someone doesn't cut the best sounding promo in the world, yet they've still found success at a place like the WWE,

Speaker 32 then shouldn't that be celebrated?

Speaker 32 I don't know. They made Millie Vanilli give the Grammy back.

Speaker 1 It's not like they rose up through like merit. You know, don't disrespect anyone who gets to the main roster, but it's like, I pick you.

Speaker 1 It's not like this person is just non-stop getting A's.

Speaker 33 We got to elevate them.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 that's what Francis from Fort Jonathan says. They were behind the eight ball from the start and still made it.

Speaker 32 Many of them made it because they found a billionaire angel.

Speaker 32 He continues: Aging is a natural part of life. You rag on older people for naturally looking old.
Do you want them to get cosmetic surgery?

Speaker 32 Maybe grow a mustache and dye it along with their hair black.

Speaker 1 Well, who's he talking about there?

Speaker 32 Wait a minute. Not that I'm defending Vince McMahon's bizarre, not fooling anyone look.

Speaker 32 But my point is that you rag on people no matter what, if they look older or try to look younger. No, we rag on them if they are too old

Speaker 32 to successfully portray the image that they are supposed to be portruding.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 he cited Vince

Speaker 32 mad.

Speaker 1 He cited Vince McMahon as the example. We're allowed to critique an old man if all of a sudden he shows up looking radically different than he ever looked before, like a bloated Errol Flynn.

Speaker 1 We're allowed to say something.

Speaker 1 You can't say anything? That's the thing. There are people thinking like, you should just watch stuff

Speaker 32 be silent.

Speaker 32 He said clearly he wasn't defending that look. But

Speaker 32 we, again,

Speaker 1 which senior is he?

Speaker 32 You know,

Speaker 32 it would be wonderful. It'd be wonderful if many of the current

Speaker 32 Yankees players got to play on a team with Babe Ruth, but not if Babe Ruth was still around and 74 years old and they were in a real game that they were supposed to win.

Speaker 32 And oh, shit, we're going to send Babe in just for the fun of it.

Speaker 32 That type of ageism.

Speaker 32 But nevertheless,

Speaker 32 finally,

Speaker 32 I will conclude with Francis from Fort Jonathan. Fat people may be that way because they just don't care about bettering their physique or their health.

Speaker 32 But some maybe are truly trying to drop weight and get healthy. It's not easy.
You aren't their doctor or dietician. You don't know their medical history, eating habits, or weight issues.

Speaker 32 It's not for you to comment. Stick to wrestling.

Speaker 32 Well, wait a minute.

Speaker 32 The new champion has gained 125 pounds in the last year and a half all around the middle and he hadn't seen a tan bed in a fucking same amount of time.

Speaker 32 You think we should stick to letting his doctor say he's fine. He's fine.

Speaker 1 Is this signed Chris Jericho?

Speaker 32 No, but he is from Ontario, Canada now, Francis from Fort Jonathan. Oh, and also there's a PS.

Speaker 32 Just come right out and say that you're sexiest.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, it does not say that.

Speaker 32 It's S-E-X-I-E-S-T.

Speaker 32 I admit it. I admit it.
I am sexiest.

Speaker 32 I just wanted to clear all these things up.

Speaker 32 Thank you, Francis, from writing in from

Speaker 32 Fort Jonathan, Ontario, Canada.

Speaker 1 I mean, but it's just, that's where it gets ridiculous. That's where you could tell, like, Francis may have the best intentions at heart, but he's also probably like the least fun at a party

Speaker 1 of anyone you've ever met.

Speaker 1 You know, the idea that these people who are on TV, and again, it's not like, you know, Major League Baseball, if a player starts hitting 200 and they hit 200 for the season, it's not like we can't say anything.

Speaker 1 They're not performing at a top level. Doesn't mean they're not putting the lineup.
It doesn't mean they're not given chances.

Speaker 1 Just because a wrestler makes it to the main roster, there is a sect of fans that think

Speaker 1 you shouldn't criticize anything. You know, it's kind of like that Triple H quote a few weeks ago.
Just be a fan. Just go along for the ride.
Why do you you have to critique this?

Speaker 1 Because that's what WWE's always want, a world where the only media they get is the media that goes to them and asks them questions and reports their answers.

Speaker 1 Not someone who says, you know, this may not be working. The booking may suck on the road to WrestleMania.

Speaker 32 Things like that. Can I interject? Can I interject?

Speaker 1 It's your show. Yeah.

Speaker 32 Well, but they had that audience until they started getting a bunch of people on top that insisted on telling all the fans that it was bullshit and they were making it up.

Speaker 32 And then everybody went from going crazy in the arena, hoping so-and-so beat the shit out of so-and-so

Speaker 32 to saying, well, I could have fucking come up with better ideas to have them do that. And that's what happened there.
So congratulations, Einsteins.

Speaker 32 But the point is, from the standpoint of this show, not only am I going to

Speaker 32 fucking talk about this shit because, goddamn, I see it in my sleep at this point. After 50 fucking years, I've got an opinion on a few things.

Speaker 32 But besides that, if you are on television or on streaming to phones in people's pocket or at a live event in public where they charge admission, whether it be movies,

Speaker 32 any type of entertainment that the public consumes,

Speaker 32 And you think that people are not going to fucking

Speaker 32 pro or con, yay or nay, with them or again them, have all the goddamn comments in the world, you're out of your fucking mind.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 you are fair game within obviously legal limits for people to say, use their opinions or say their opinions or whatever and their comments and their critiques on what you do.

Speaker 32 That doesn't mean they need to,

Speaker 32 you know, forensically examine your goddamn life and find out that your fucking father-in-law once was a member of the Communist Party or whatever. But

Speaker 32 the public persona, yeah.

Speaker 32 If you're sloppy, fat,

Speaker 32 or fucking woefully inadequate physically, when you're supposed to be some kind of badass professional athlete, we're probably going to mention that. And et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 1 How dare you say Haystacks Calhoun is fat? Who are you to judge the mighty Haystack?

Speaker 32 He was only big boned. Haystack now.
He wasn't. The Maguires were fat, but haystack was only big boned.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 32 But yeah, here's another problem, Brian, is that everybody thinks that we're just so horrible with things we say. Many times me, even sometimes you.

Speaker 32 You're not as horrible as I am, I don't think, on a scale. I'm not sure.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 they're friends, their idols, their heroes, they're the people they look up to in the wrestling world of the young kids, the modern, the with it kids.

Speaker 32 They're the ones that are blazing the trail for inclusivity instead of exclusivity and

Speaker 32 curiosity that killed the kitty or whatever the fuck it was.

Speaker 32 And we find out that they're just as bad.

Speaker 32 The young kids, the hip kids over at AEW are just as bad. Paige has spilled the beans.

Speaker 32 You mentioned this to me before we went on the air.

Speaker 32 That they wanted her.

Speaker 32 I thought this was supposed to be the modern. We're going to see the females as just, you know, the athletic side of them and not make them do all this diva stuff.

Speaker 32 And they wanted her to have a fucking romance in AEW before she

Speaker 32 was at some point while she was there, but obviously before she left the company. Well, according to

Speaker 32 has this been reported credibly?

Speaker 1 This has been reported this morning from a Twitter account called WrestlePurist. They've had stuff in the past that has been verified, I believe.
And this is just a direct quote, actually, from some.

Speaker 32 Well, I mean, if it's a direct quote, pretty much any Howie from the mailroom can bring that up.

Speaker 1 But this was sent to us by a bunch of people. This is a quote from Saraya from the program Rule Breakers with Saraya.

Speaker 1 In AEW, there's a wrestler called Daddy Magic. They wanted me to do a love storyline with him.

Speaker 1 I've managed to go my whole career without doing a love storyline, and I wasn't going to start it. They were like, no, all he's going to do is kiss you.

Speaker 1 I had a boyfriend at the time, and I was just like, I can't do it, you guys. I just can't do it.
So I turned it down.

Speaker 1 And of course, Saraya is now gone from AEW on the program Rule Breakers with Saraya.

Speaker 1 You brought it up. What are your thoughts on on the idea that they pitched her something with someone who

Speaker 1 at very best could be considered low mid-card in terms of the placement?

Speaker 1 And two,

Speaker 1 you have any problem with a wrestler turning something like that down?

Speaker 32 Well, and I mean, a bunch of people are going to say rude things about this young lady as soon as we

Speaker 32 start talking about her turning anything down or whatever the case.

Speaker 32 So we're going to try to, we're going to, we're going to go high when they go low, Brian.

Speaker 1 Let's have a serious discussion about.

Speaker 32 I'm not saying, well, I was about to say,

Speaker 32 we're going to go high when they go low. We're going to talk from a professional standpoint of this whole thing, right? Notwithstanding anything else may be in people's minds.

Speaker 1 You had me at Let's Go High.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, there you go.

Speaker 32 In

Speaker 32 there is an element of when you sign up to be a wrestler, a personality in wrestling, male or female,

Speaker 32 there's some showbiz involved.

Speaker 32 There is some acting. I prefer to call it reacting, but there is interplay with other people.
You have to do things with other people in the course of the Zabada.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 in the past, many times,

Speaker 32 the female with a heel, they were a real life couple anyway. That's how they got into business.

Speaker 32 Then, as that started expanding in OVW, I had guys that were working with girls with them or in the gimmick or a group or whatever, and they had no, everybody was professional.

Speaker 32 But there's some element of what you've got to portray on television. And Soraya, Paige, which is her new or real.
What name is she allowed to use now, wherever she may be?

Speaker 1 She owns the name Saraya. That's her name, isn't it?

Speaker 32 Okay. Well, I can't remember what the the fuck she's name.
You can't use Paige.

Speaker 1 Paige is a WWE. Okay.

Speaker 32 Well, nevertheless,

Speaker 32 if it was, she was a star that was supposed to be a difference maker in AEW.

Speaker 32 And so if it had been some type of situation where she and a main event personality,

Speaker 32 an MJF at the time, who was also more important than he is now,

Speaker 32 or whatever the case, we're supposed to have some kind of on-screen thing going on.

Speaker 32 I would expect you to be able to get a little kiss out of that. You would be kind of,

Speaker 32 I'm not talking anteaters with their tongues down each other's throat, but some working fucking kissing

Speaker 32 you should reasonably expect as a promoter in that instance.

Speaker 1 You could also, you could also hide it. You could also just, you know, use a camera angle so you don't actually see it, but it looks like.

Speaker 32 Well, that's what I'm saying. Working fucking kissing.

Speaker 32 I mean, the lips need to be somewhere in the vicinity, but you don't have to go goddamn

Speaker 32 like you're fucking fishing in each other's mouths to

Speaker 32 achieve the effect. Although it's optional if the participants care to.

Speaker 32 But the point is, it's fucking Daddy Mac, whatever, that round, greasy-faced, fucking

Speaker 32 underneath guy with the hyperactivity. And they wanted this former star.
She had already fallen under their booking.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 32 suddenly

Speaker 32 they want her to be in love with this, this guy. No, I think she could.

Speaker 32 She had gone that far without doing the romance angles, and she saw no reason to break her trend at that point. I can understand that from her side.

Speaker 1 The question I have specific to this, and we'll get back to everything else. When was this pitched? Because

Speaker 1 Daddy Magic's partner was Cool Hand Luke, and her partner was Ruby Soho.

Speaker 1 And then we find that Ruby Soho and Cool Hand Luke just had a baby. That's why she's not around anymore.

Speaker 32 Okay.

Speaker 1 Was this a part of that? Or was it like, okay, they won't do it. You two.
You're now together.

Speaker 1 What happened first?

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 at least Paige didn't end up with an 18-year anchor around her neck as a result of a wrestling anchor oh kids are wonderful stop it

Speaker 32 well daddy max or cool hand luke's you're gonna have those at least they'd have citizenship all over the place

Speaker 32 well yeah because ruby's from from

Speaker 32 soho right

Speaker 1 i guess so yeah they can all live well they're canadian they're a canadian tag team 2.0

Speaker 32 i don't really think they've got a point but nevertheless we congratulations to whoever

Speaker 1 deserves it. So is she in the wrong here for declining? If she was, she's never done an angle like this in her entire life.
She's going to do it for the first time with this guy.

Speaker 32 Well, that's what they thought.

Speaker 1 Who doesn't even make dynamite? Who doesn't even make, you know, he's on collision at best.

Speaker 32 I don't think that.

Speaker 32 And they

Speaker 32 after she

Speaker 32 lost the shiny new toy status,

Speaker 32 you know, then they didn't do that much with her to begin with.

Speaker 32 I don't think she's alleging that that was particularly the reason, but they just

Speaker 32 for a while there, they signed a bunch of

Speaker 32 girls that they thought were going to be stars. And the only one that's uh, how long has Tony Storm been there? She wasn't there at the start.

Speaker 32 Where's Britt Baker?

Speaker 1 Now that I'm freelancing.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Maybe she's freelancing.
I really don't know where Britt Baker is.

Speaker 32 Do you think she just knocks door to door and says, I can work on your teeth?

Speaker 1 Again, there's a lot to the Britt Baker thing that maybe one day will come out. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Who'd you ask?

Speaker 32 What, Fillings?

Speaker 1 Who'd you ask? That's Mike Leno. Crowns? That's Dr.
Mike Lano. Who'd you ask about before her?

Speaker 1 I don't know. You mentioned a different name.
Oh, Tony Storm.

Speaker 32 Tony Storm.

Speaker 1 Why did she come in?

Speaker 1 Tony Storm, you know, she was teaming up with Saraya and Ruby Soho when she came up with the timeless gimmick, which took her away from everyone in the division, kind of gave her her own multiverse

Speaker 1 or universe. Like, it would just be one universe.

Speaker 1 But if you notice, you know, she broke away from the pack. She's the most overwoman in the company.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just because of the gimmick.

Speaker 32 So she may be

Speaker 1 particularly right now, the only they pitched her alumni with Orange Cassidy, and she said, I'll become a 1930s actress. Thank you.

Speaker 32 And I would have supported her in that also if you had a choice. I don't think the other thing should be allowed to procreate.
But

Speaker 32 point being,

Speaker 32 she's made herself, but all of the ladies that

Speaker 32 already had a reputation are like all the guys that already had a reputation. They come there and it

Speaker 32 like that.

Speaker 1 Hey, if I could say something real quick on the topic

Speaker 1 on the topic of the ladies before we move on, because I don't know where we're going.

Speaker 32 Neither do I.

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Speaker 1 So, for a lot of people who have wanted to see it on streaming services, it's now finally starting to get out there because my purchase copy has been downloaded.

Speaker 32 I got to ask Stacey how that works. We might have a movie night.
I wouldn't have it. If you held a gun to me, I would be clicking on the cable remote trying to, where is it listed that I can.

Speaker 1 No, you literally can't turn on a clock for a blind man.

Speaker 32 Well, well i'm not blind

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Speaker 32 And let's talk about, since we're talking about the kids and their interaction, am I hearing now that

Speaker 32 young Ricochet is having a tiff, a beef, an altercation, a contra temps with a young, younger Javon Evans from the NXT?

Speaker 1 Did you see this at all?

Speaker 32 No, again,

Speaker 32 all I heard was that he's at it again.

Speaker 32 We've talked about Ricochet

Speaker 32 on Twitter. Somebody asked he's at it again.
And I knew you'd fill me in. There was a headline that I didn't have time.

Speaker 32 But Ricochet argues with random fans on,

Speaker 32 not like

Speaker 32 a one-time thing, like, well, fuck you. And, you know, whatever, something witty and then boom, but like back and forth, like, no, I'm better.
And he was saying he was better than EO Sky.

Speaker 32 He could do more shit.

Speaker 32 And he

Speaker 32 apparently spends time in his day to at least make people believe that he is arguing with them individually.

Speaker 32 Now, this may be part of him being a heel, as we've said, but now that he's extending to the boys in other companies,

Speaker 32 it seems that there is almost some credence being lended to Lent, I'm sorry,

Speaker 32 our Catholic friends, to the idea that he really means this shit.

Speaker 32 Help me, Brian.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I guess it started. There's someone on Twitter named named Dwayne Yamamoto.

Speaker 32 I'm sorry, but I just Tojo had no children.

Speaker 1 Except for that adopted child he had in 87 when Rocky Johnson was in town. Dwayne Yamamoto

Speaker 1 tweeted out, Javon is the best prospect in wrestling, and don't come in my replies talking about some randoms nobody's ever heard of either.

Speaker 1 To which Ricochet, I don't know why or how, or how he came across this, quote-tweeted, I'd squash him.

Speaker 1 To which Javon Evans replied, and this has since been deleted, in the Ric Flair style of capitalizing the first letter of every word.

Speaker 1 My bad, I just got done training at the Performance Center under Sean Michaels. Something that you don't have or do,

Speaker 1 but I bet your brown egghead ass would squash me if Tony told you to.

Speaker 1 To which Ricochet replied, brother, I was learning from Sean Michaels,

Speaker 1 and that's an apostrophe after the L, before the S. I was learning from Sean Michaels when you was like 12.

Speaker 1 Then went on to become a multiple-time champion. Let me know when you win one, little boy.
And yeah, if Tony asked me, I'd definitely beat you up. Well, he said, beat you ah ku.

Speaker 1 Or a ka. I don't know, because I write like a fucking normal person in English.
And then he wrote, also,

Speaker 32 by

Speaker 32 now, wait a minute. He's coming back like the fucking pissed off wife.
Also, here's another thing.

Speaker 1 By just simply mentioning my name, this is your most engaged post.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. This is your most engaged with post.

Speaker 1 You're welcome for the exposure, kid.

Speaker 1 And there's an emoji of a crown,

Speaker 1 to which Siobhan Evans replied, and this has since been deleted.

Speaker 1 you learned from HBK when I was 12 and became a multiple-time champion. Now you're wrestling in front of 2,000 people every week for a crackhead.

Speaker 32 Oh my god!

Speaker 1 Talk about an upgrade, am I right? Sounds like Mr. Khan isn't giving you enough attention.
So you had to come for a successful ass young'un.

Speaker 1 You're giving me the most views on my post, and I'm finally helping you get the most attention you'd ever had in your career. All love.

Speaker 1 To which Ricochet finally replied,

Speaker 32 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 How many people does the PC hold? Blah, ha ha.

Speaker 1 But keep up the energy. It makes you look cool.

Speaker 1 And that's the final word as of this moment. Again, Javon Evans has deleted his two replies here.

Speaker 1 At least two replies, actually, maybe more than that. To Ricochet.

Speaker 1 Ricochet's gimmick, it appears, is just trolling people online. In this case, apparently, even wrestlers he doesn't have any sort of relationship with.

Speaker 32 Well, in companies that he doesn't have a relationship with, and

Speaker 32 in ways that makes him come off, if his job that he is attempting here, his mission is to make people assume that he is a childish, whiny little bitch.

Speaker 32 and unprofessional. And I'm not talking about in a wrestling heel way.
I'm just talking about like in a fucking, he's just a douchebag way that thinks he's his shit's a lot hotter than it is.

Speaker 32 But there's no reason, and it didn't sound like these two, if that was a cooperative angle, quote unquote, like kids do, that these two came up with to shoot together, then they're really both bad at fucking doing it.

Speaker 32 Because they hit all the fucking

Speaker 32 negative points and none of the positive ones. There's no business to to be done.
And

Speaker 32 Javon comes off looking better because he's like,

Speaker 32 What the fuck?

Speaker 32 You know, how did I get involved in this? This fucking little prick.

Speaker 1 Minding my own business. Would one day sit over here?

Speaker 32 One day.

Speaker 32 But so I mean.

Speaker 32 So, and I think Javon would also kick the shit out of fucking

Speaker 32 Lil

Speaker 32 Ricochet, Ricocheto, the little, the little mini from Mexico.

Speaker 1 This one line here is an old-timer. You learned from HBK when I was 12 and became a multiple-time champion.
Now you're wrestling in front of 2,000 people every week for a crackhead.

Speaker 1 Talk about an upgrade. Am I right? Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1 What do you think of a wrestler calling another promoter? A crackhead? Not another wrestler, but someone who pays people.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 I mean, you know,

Speaker 32 he was a little incensed. And sometimes the truth will slip out in, or

Speaker 32 the true feelings, I should say,

Speaker 32 will slip out

Speaker 32 when you're a little bit prickly. And that's what he thought at that fucking point in time.
Because

Speaker 32 again, he was minding his own business, sitting in his fucking chair over there, trying to do the best he can. And along comes this fucking

Speaker 32 who Ricochet picked it up at random, right? From he wasn't the guy that originally said that Javon Evans was just swell wasn't talking to Ricochet. He was just making a statement on the internet.

Speaker 1 That's what it looks like, correct.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 so

Speaker 32 I think somebody ought to get Ricochet off the internet and maybe

Speaker 32 I don't know, who could you put him in a car with and maybe a cell with that could try to teach him how to think about the business? Probably nobody.

Speaker 32 You'd find the cellmate hanging from his bed sheets if he was locked up with this fucking kid.

Speaker 1 Do you think Ricochet should have defended Tony?

Speaker 1 He said, hey, how many people were at the performance center? He didn't say, and Tony's not a crackhead.

Speaker 32 Well, I mean,

Speaker 32 he was trying to just stick with things that he factually was aware of.

Speaker 32 Apparently, the performance center is indeed smaller than 2,000 seats, but possibly the jury was not in with all the evidence in his mind on whether any of the other statements were true or false.

Speaker 32 There's always that.

Speaker 32 The less a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to be proven wrong in retrospect.

Speaker 1 So he took down the tweets. You think that's a company directive?

Speaker 32 Probably.

Speaker 32 Because I think that somebody at the company probably say, you know, you can tell this guy he's an asshole all day long when he's knocking you, but don't

Speaker 32 accuse other people of like public drug addiction or potentially committing crimes.

Speaker 32 You know, don't, don't do that.

Speaker 32 So, they've, they've, they've, they clawed those back, as they say in the financial world.

Speaker 1 That'd be the funniest thing ever if Tony sued him for calling him a crackhead.

Speaker 1 Where's your evidence against Mr. Evans?

Speaker 32 Well, then he would have to take a piss test, wouldn't he?

Speaker 1 That'd be a good idea. Or have Shivani do it with that one?

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 I don't know.

Speaker 32 The way Shivani's just sitting there in the middle of all this chaos, shaking his head, going, I love my job. He may be on some type of.

Speaker 1 You're saying crack?

Speaker 32 Elevate. I'm just saying elevational material.

Speaker 1 Are you saying Tony Schiavani's on crack?

Speaker 32 No, not crack. Just something to make him happy.

Speaker 1 Caffeinated?

Speaker 32 No. My God, that seems like that would make this nightmare worse

Speaker 32 I'm thinking

Speaker 32 propofol for anybody that knows what's going on with wrestling that's the way that they tolerate it

Speaker 1 I think the sad thing is I think it starts at ricochet thinking like he's looking good like yeah there it is my new persona my new online persona and then it just quickly goes south and he can't like get back to the surface he's like just drowning under the water trying to get back up and javon evidence just drowned him

Speaker 1 is it drowned or drowned i'm not sure did you ever think people would be fighting for the credibility of training under sean michaels like this

Speaker 32 no come to think of it i i never i never did

Speaker 32 but uh at least they

Speaker 32 They do the same thing. They grow up to have unprofessional shoot arguments with each other.

Speaker 32 No, I'm not knocking Javon. He's an innocent victim, it is.

Speaker 32 He's just a prawn in the game.

Speaker 1 They should have Ricochet do this. Like, they've been putting him in tag matches.
Have him on the apron texting. I create a buzz.
It'll create a bigger buzz than his actual matches.

Speaker 1 Just who's he texting? Who's he fighting with? Who's drowning him?

Speaker 1 Shorty, Juanna.

Speaker 32 Don't quit.

Speaker 32 You just, I know what you want to.

Speaker 32 And I'm not,

Speaker 32 I'm not.

Speaker 32 I'll tell you what, she needs to, boy.

Speaker 1 Keep going.

Speaker 32 Speaking of out the door, real quick, that's where everything went on the Corney's vault sale for the May, Mayhem extravaganza at jimcornet.com.

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Speaker 32 some of the Smoky Mountain event tickets, because we had more of those to start out with than the rest of the stuff. And everything else that I mentioned is sold out.

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Speaker 32 And he's going to start taking down the listings of all the stuff that sold out days after he put it up. But if you get there, don't get frustrated.
I'm sorry. But

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But

Speaker 32 otherwise, we are the rest of you who have ordered, we are beginning to fill those next week.

Speaker 32 Well, we got our shit together.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 32 All righty. And real quick, speaking of

Speaker 32 Kaka,

Speaker 32 and you're going to freak out when I'm going to bring this up because, oh, you're going to get us in trouble. I'm going to be non-judgmental and completely

Speaker 32 professional about all of this, except when I scoff at one thing.

Speaker 32 There were more ringboys that joined the lawsuit.

Speaker 32 And it is among the many lawsuits that's involved between either Vince and WWE and the ringboys and the attorneys and all the people at the doctors now that the doctor is suing the woman that's suing Vince for slandering him, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 32 But in all of this, it comes out

Speaker 32 another Hall of Famer mentioned, two more Hall of Famers accused in Ringboy's lawsuit.

Speaker 32 And just to bring ourselves up to date, we have all already wholeheartedly agreed that probably everything that anybody said about Mel Phillips that he ever did, he probably did do.

Speaker 32 Guilty as the day is long.

Speaker 32 And even a Terry Garvin is not getting

Speaker 32 as much coverage as he used to get or as much mention.

Speaker 32 Mel Phillips gets a lot of, because it's a more

Speaker 32 even bizarre story. Mel Phillips gets a lot of the attention.
But Terry Garvin, I think, Brian,

Speaker 32 we've all agreed also pretty wholeheartedly that Terry Garvin did, was involved and did whatever they said he was.

Speaker 1 He absolutely was, 100%.

Speaker 1 That was what blew up the whole Tom Cole thing: when Terry Garvin brought Tom Cole to his house and then wouldn't take him home. And it was like a snowstorm.

Speaker 1 And Tom Cole would would like hide from Terry Garvin

Speaker 1 for like a couple of days or whatever it was. And also, Mel Phillips was on TV.
And I think that's one of the reasons why,

Speaker 1 you know, it stood out to a lot of people. I mean, beyond the sick, perverted end of it, the fact that it was the black ring announcer.
He stood out. I mean, he was on Wrestling Challenge.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden he wasn't. Then you never knew what his name was.
He never really had a name. It was just the ring announcer, Howard Finkel.
They said his name.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 yeah, Mel Phillips is the one who, I guess, coordinated with the Ring Boys. So he's probably the biggest name.

Speaker 32 Yeah, but Terry Garvin was the one who actually was, Mel Phillips was working for in the actual company because Terry Garvin legitimately worked for the company. So he was the boss of that.

Speaker 32 He just doesn't get mentioned a lot these days.

Speaker 1 And they ended up working together too after they left WWF. They thought they were going to stay in wrestling and start.
like a little indie group in, I think, Massachusetts or whatever it was.

Speaker 1 And they had business cards and everything.

Speaker 32 And the third person that was named at that point, but allegations were fewer and much less specific,

Speaker 32 Pat Patterson,

Speaker 32 and another one of the new ringboys that

Speaker 32 joined the suit mentioned Pat Patterson. And I'm not even going to get started.
So you can breathe easy there because it's like wrestling.

Speaker 32 For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don't, no explanation will

Speaker 32 there are people who didn't know pat patterson or who had a problem with him who was oh yeah and people who knew him and didn't have a problem with him who scoff at it

Speaker 32 and i am one of those and apparently nobody's going to change their mind on either side so we're not going to litigate it

Speaker 32 but the other one

Speaker 32 i have to mention because i

Speaker 32 It was funny to me at first because it was so ridiculous because the name wasn't in the headline.

Speaker 32 You had to click to get there. And when I saw it, I was, what the fuck?

Speaker 32 CocoWare.

Speaker 32 Coco where, Coco, Coco.

Speaker 32 And this is what we've come to here.

Speaker 32 And when I think back, I think the reason I thought it might be the funniest was I would pay $5,000

Speaker 32 if I could get a video of what Coco Ware

Speaker 32 said that, however, he found out about it. Does he sit down at his computer during the course of the day and just look at news?

Speaker 32 Or did

Speaker 32 his next door neighbor call him up or some or who, how the fuck he found out

Speaker 32 that he was being accused in news reports of sexual assault of anybody,

Speaker 32 much less a minor, much less a male coco it's like

Speaker 32 this gomer powell is selling military secrets to the russians brian well let's take a step back because i don't know the whole story and i'm going to assume a lot of the listeners haven't been following this what are they saying coco did that's what we're going to get into but he's he was in the

Speaker 32 there was There are all these other people who allegations of legitimate shit and fucking shit if it is legitimate would be improper in any context right

Speaker 32 and then he's lumped into cocoa fucking wear

Speaker 32 and again just so you know we're talking cocoa wear when in a

Speaker 32 in a the history of wrestling has a story ever involved the words cocoa wear was arrested coco wear was drunk and did this, Coco Ware was high on drugs, Coco Ware, the one fight he got into in public,

Speaker 32 the other guy got fired. And it was one of Vince's best friends at Jim Troy.
I was going to say. Disney said it was his fault.

Speaker 1 I was going to say that's the only incident I could think of where Coco got into big trouble.

Speaker 1 He got maybe suspended for a little bit. I'm not sure.
But Jim Troy got fired. Jim Troy was a top executive there going back to the Cape Cod days for the McMahon family.
And, you know, the rumor was.

Speaker 1 I haven't heard the story in a while, so I don't want to say the wrong thing. The rumor was he may have said the worst thing you could say to Coco, and Coco knocked him on his ass.

Speaker 32 Yes. And that's, and, but the point is, he was, Jim Troy was one of Vince's best friends and first partners, and they fired him after Coco knocked him out.

Speaker 32 Right. So, but, but the point is, the, the,

Speaker 32 Coco,

Speaker 32 Coco has to

Speaker 32 hear that he's involved in this. I can't imagine his head must have exploded.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 again, this is a case of

Speaker 32 when you just, when you go too far, your main story, your main argument, the stuff that legitimately did happen with people that legitimately did do it,

Speaker 32 your case is harmed when you go this far, is what I, the point that I'm trying to make. What are they saying?

Speaker 1 And here's the thing.

Speaker 32 Here's this account.

Speaker 32 In a separate alleged incident in a WWF dressing room in Maine.

Speaker 32 John Doe number six claims he was grabbed in the crotch by wrestler Coco Beware with many other witnesses present, including Mel Phillips, Pat Patterson, Ring Crew member and later ring announcer Tony Chimmel.

Speaker 32 and referee Danny Davis. And not the OVW Danny Davis, but the WWF Danny Davis.

Speaker 32 Were you going to say something?

Speaker 1 I guess when I heard ring crew, I forgot, you know, Tony Chimmel started that way, actually.

Speaker 32 Yes, well,

Speaker 32 Tony was a ring announcer, but he started on the ring crew. But many of the referees, as we've talked about,

Speaker 32 Jack Doan,

Speaker 32 they were at various times, they were the ring crew also that would drive the truck or ride in the truck.

Speaker 32 And so you had to, because Chimmel was, Finkel was a TV announcer, but Chimmel was a a house show announcer. Anyway,

Speaker 32 point is there's one, two, three,

Speaker 32 four, four people, many witnesses. But basically, here's the description.

Speaker 32 In front of everyone else in the room, Coco Beware told John Doe Six to get against the wall, push John Doe Six's head against the wall, patted him down, and then grabbed John Doe Six's crotch.

Speaker 32 Then the lawsuit states that most others in the room laughed, except Chimmel, who said something like, Don't do that, let him go.

Speaker 32 Chimmel later told John Doe Six that he shouldn't be on the ring crew and that he should run away, according to complaint. Because Mel Phillips was the one that was running the ring crew.

Speaker 32 But back to Coco.

Speaker 32 He was, when does a sexual assault begin with a frisking?

Speaker 32 There's a bunch of guys in a locker room before the fucking show

Speaker 32 and

Speaker 32 patting him down, okay. I mean,

Speaker 32 thinking back to, I don't know, any

Speaker 32 men's high school, college, or professional sports locker room, wrestling or otherwise from a 30-year period, if somebody's supposed to be patted down, they're, as Dennis Coraluzzo used to say, they're busting my balls, Jimmy.

Speaker 32 They're busting balls, wasting time in a locker room. And they told the one guy, hey, you got something you're not supposed supposed to have.
No, I don't. We need a check.

Speaker 32 Or somebody said, You owe me a dollar. I don't have it.
I bet you do.

Speaker 32 So Coke goes, We got to pat you down.

Speaker 32 So he gets against the wall, like on cops. Eddie pats him down.
And he says, Okay,

Speaker 32 you seem to be clean. Oh, wait.

Speaker 32 Eddie grabs and squeezes his balls. What's this? And the guy jumps, oh, Jesus Christ.
And everybody laughs and you go back to your day.

Speaker 1 Who's the it was a kid? It was a kid. That's the problem.
If it did happen, there's no justifying. Patting them down is one thing, goofing around with that.
But if he grabs it,

Speaker 32 six-year-old kids.

Speaker 1 It doesn't fucking matter. It's another brand.

Speaker 1 If you grab someone's genitals, you're going to get in trouble. If that indeed did happen.

Speaker 32 Okay, if it's a problem.

Speaker 1 And people who want to grab other people's genitals who aren't into them, there's a problem there too. Maybe they're not.

Speaker 32 All right. Hold on here a second.

Speaker 1 If Coco did it.

Speaker 32 And by the way, Coco was 17 when he started wrestling to begin with. So he was a teenager in the fucking locker room and seeing these ribs.

Speaker 32 Then he's still a 20-something-year-old kid because this was the fucking 80s. We these goddamn 60-year-old man.

Speaker 1 I've been in the locker room. The guy in the locker room who wants to grab other people's junk as a joke, usually they got something going on.
They don't.

Speaker 32 Well, it didn't used to be.

Speaker 1 I bet you.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you.

Speaker 32 That's what you fucking rib when you grab somebody by the balls. It makes them jump and everybody laughs.
Your problem is you had cell phones.

Speaker 1 No, that isn't the problem with the fucking cell phones. The problem is the behavior of grabbing other people's genitalia.

Speaker 32 Okay, then I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 That's the problem.

Speaker 32 Then I'll tell you what. Then I would accept a headline and not be indignant on Coco Ware's behalf.

Speaker 1 Was he in the headline? I forgot what the headline was.

Speaker 32 No, I said the headline didn't have anybody's names. That's why you have to click, right?

Speaker 32 But he's accused of this with everybody else who was having forced fucking blowjobs and all this other fucking shit going on.

Speaker 32 He fucking grabs a guy's fucking balls to make him jump in front of a bunch of guys laughing about it. And everybody went on.
And now 40 years later, he's being accused of sexual assault.

Speaker 32 I would go for if they accused WWF Hall of Famer CocoaWare of hazing, as the college kids used to say.

Speaker 1 Where's Tony Chimmel?

Speaker 32 What do you mean, here?

Speaker 1 Does he still work for WWE?

Speaker 32 I can't imagine after all these years that they've gotten rid of everybody else.

Speaker 1 Go to Tony Chimmel. Tony Chimmel is quoted in this.
I mean, it's hearsay, but it says that Tony Chimmel said this, get away from here or leave him alone. Let him go.

Speaker 1 Tony Chimmel is the one who could answer all these questions.

Speaker 32 Oh, for heaven's sake, there shouldn't be that many questions about this because I can see Tony Chimmel sitting there. Don't do that.
Let him go.

Speaker 32 And he probably took the kid over to Corner about Mel Phillips, not Coco,

Speaker 32 and said, You shouldn't be on this fucking ring crew.

Speaker 1 Tell me about my confusion here, just a little bit about who did what and how it worked.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we all know about Mel Phillips and the Ring Boys. The Ring crew, you know, a lot of the referees, I guess.

Speaker 1 What did the Ring Boys do that the Ring crew didn't, and vice versa?

Speaker 1 Like, what you know, I think a lot of people think it was the Ring Boys putting up the Rings and doing all this, but what's the Ring crew doing then?

Speaker 32 Well, here's the thing:

Speaker 32 when I started in 1993,

Speaker 32 the ring crew that came to the buildings was either, like I said, Jack Doan, the referee, or,

Speaker 32 oh, God damn, now I've blanked on it.

Speaker 32 Somebody's going to be out there going, God damn, you worked with me for, or Tony Chimmel, who was announcing, but the referees, except for the senior referees, Earl Hebner didn't have to do it, Timmy White didn't have to do it.

Speaker 32 But they were in the truck and they drove the ring from place to place. But there were

Speaker 32 helpers that they had at the buildings, but they were all, I would assume, people that were contracted by the building to be, you know, hands to carry the goddamn shit in the building.

Speaker 32 And, but by that time, most of the buildings WWF was running were bigger operations.

Speaker 32 Apparently, what until Mel Phillips was gone and Terry Garvin was gone, and this was, an end was put to this,

Speaker 32 is that they were working some kind of goddamn arrangement amongst themselves where they would get teenage boys

Speaker 32 that locally they wanted to get in the matches for free or see the wrestlers or whatever the

Speaker 32 to help do something i don't know they had to be halfway physically large to carry a ring post i would think but i don't know what the fuck that they're nominally they were supposed to be doing but a bunch of untrained teenagers to me would get in the way more than anything else.

Speaker 1 See, I thought I had heard at one point that they had like helped Mel Phillips take down the ring before he did, like, you know, whatever the fuck he wanted.

Speaker 32 But I, well, and that's the thing that that may have been what was going on on the, especially on his house shows or whatever, during the period of time that he was there.

Speaker 32 That's probably why they changed it to,

Speaker 32 you know, what I said, which was more the referees and ring announcers traveling from place to place were in the ring truck and they were hauling shit and they were the heads of the ring crew.

Speaker 32 But there would be

Speaker 32 legitimate, I don't know, paid for goddamn local labor at the buildings that they needed that would help with that shit.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 1 again, again, why did Vince bring Mel Phillips back?

Speaker 32 Terry, and that's the thing. Terry Garvin was the guy in the office that oversaw

Speaker 32 like rings getting there and fucking, you know, the announcers and all that bullshit. So it was easier for him and Mel Phillips to work whatever deal they were fucking working.

Speaker 32 But it's not like apparently now we come to find out that they were working real hard to fucking cover it up.

Speaker 1 How did Terry Garvin even get hired? He had never done anything with the Northeast, never done anything with New York or Vince McMahon Sr.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 he was French Canadian,

Speaker 32 obviously. And see, that's another thing.
I wondered how many people, well, some of these people knew which gray-haired old French Canadian they were talking about.

Speaker 32 But he had been

Speaker 32 around the business and involved in the business as a wrestler. And then

Speaker 32 I think later on did some behind the scenes work in promotion, at least in Canada for a short period of time. But he just,

Speaker 32 he had been around forever

Speaker 32 and

Speaker 32 showed up. Was it a Barnett thing? Because Terry Garvin had worked for Barnett for years and years in Georgia and I think in

Speaker 32 Australia. When did he start there? I don't, but he just somehow ended up there.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I mean, but that's part of the question, too.
It's not just, why did they bring Mel Phillips back? How did Terry Garvin get this specific job and then keep it for that many years?

Speaker 1 And if they knew shit was happening with Mel Phillips, you can't tell me they didn't know shit was happening with Terry Garvin. And what did they think?

Speaker 1 They would just run the clock and eventually he'd be an old man. Like, it's just, it's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I will say.

Speaker 1 And you and I obviously differ on this, but the Pat Patterson stuff, you know, again, it goes into, you know, my general thought that if you grab someone's dick that there's maybe something more to it i think there are a couple things and i've said this before in the year i think pat patterson made highly sexualized innuendos and jokes hoping that someone would say okay let's play

Speaker 32 um that was the best hold on hold on hold on let me let me get my thoughts on that i agreed with everything you just said until you said hoping someone would say okay let's play because i've seen him make those comments and they were funny in groups of people where there was no insinuation whatsoever and we were doing other shit.

Speaker 32 They were asides, if anything else, because he was already committed at that point in time and he didn't, to anyone's knowledge at that point, was not doing anything to change that, but he wouldn't have just broadcast it if he was.

Speaker 1 Well, I can't, I don't know anything about what commitment him and Louie had throughout their years, but you know, Tom Hankins, who passed away.

Speaker 1 uh in the past year who i knew i had him on 605 i know friends of his going back to going back to the 60s actually he was a fan club guy.

Speaker 1 So, you know, a lot of people know him. No one really says he doesn't have credibility.
His story was, and this is from 84, when he was training with Dr. Jerry Graham.

Speaker 1 And if you remember, they brought Dr. Jerry Graham in after the national expansion for like one TNT.

Speaker 32 One week. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he was on TNT and Mick Vince looked like he was in heaven. And Dr.
Jerry Graham said, I have a whole new wolf pack, new Grahams I'm bringing in.

Speaker 1 And Tom Hankins purportedly was going to be one of the new Graham family, the new Graham brothers, the sons, whatever they are.

Speaker 1 And after an Olympic auditorium show, they were all at the bar and Pat Patterson kind of came on to him, he thought, and made some joke about, what's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 Am I a bad guy if I just want to give you a blow job?

Speaker 1 And he said, no, you're just a cocksucker. And Pat got a little upset about that.
And the booking never happened.

Speaker 1 Who knows if the booking ever would have happened, but enough people knew of the incident in real time and people were there.

Speaker 1 There was something.

Speaker 32 Actually, that was a good enough comeback. I would have thought Pat would have chucked on that.

Speaker 1 No, apparently Pat got very upset. It is a good comeback.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. You know, again, Pat Patterson, there are stories and rumors and, you know, there are enough shoot interviews out there where people say,

Speaker 1 if my tag partner had done this, if I had done this. But it was never if a kid had done this.
And I think that's the thing.

Speaker 1 I think it's not unreasonable to think at one time before it was certainly widely known, you couldn't behave like that, that Pat Patterson may have been inappropriate. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't think that's outrageous, but.

Speaker 32 Oh, but inappropriateness. No, but not with anybody that wouldn't want to be in a want of a kid.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a kid. It wasn't a kid.
But what is it? Even if it was a, you know, again, if it was a jobber feeling pressure that, you know, oh, this guy wants to blow me. That's one thing.

Speaker 32 I don't even know about that. I'm

Speaker 32 saying Terry.

Speaker 1 Nevertheless, what separates him from Terry Garvin typically, and again, I don't know all this stuff. I have not read up on the Cocoa Ware

Speaker 1 part of the story. So I don't know.
But no, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips, it was kids, and the McMahon family knew about it with Mel Phillips and let him go and then brought him back.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, again, if they really dive deep into this, the McMahon family's knowledge of everything with Tom Cole.

Speaker 1 You know, Tom Cole killed himself right after Pat Patterson died, purportedly,

Speaker 1 because he couldn't take all the positive attention Pat was getting after that. So, I mean, there's a lot.
There's a lot there. I mean, it's a long time.

Speaker 32 Well, and that goes back to my point, because everything you just said is true and they knew about it and et cetera, which is why you want the story to be taken seriously. And when you go so far.

Speaker 32 As to name Coco Ware, because he was doing a pat down in front of a bunch of the boys, jacking off and killing time in a fucking locker room, then you diminish somewhat the impact of the true story that you're telling of where somebody's going to roll their eyes, potentially a judge or whatever.

Speaker 32 Oh, come on now.

Speaker 32 You know, what other part of this that might have been overstated?

Speaker 1 Well, it depends. How is it?

Speaker 1 Is this just a story in their filing? Is this just here's another incident that happened, or are they specifically saying Coco Ware is a predator?

Speaker 32 Well, no, I'm saying that this is in this is in the filing of their alleged

Speaker 32 alleged pattern of abuse or whatever. They're not, I don't think, suing Coco Ware personally, but in all of the reporting of this,

Speaker 32 Coco Ware is a WWE Hall of Famers accused of abuse in a mended Ring Boys lawsuit.

Speaker 32 And so,

Speaker 32 no, it's fucking Coco.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 I appreciate that maybe times have changed but if you right now

Speaker 32 committed everybody to

Speaker 32 prison that in a men's locker room over a 30 fucking year period in the 60s 70s and 80s had ever as a ribbed rib grabbed other guys

Speaker 32 balls or dick and squeezed them

Speaker 32 the prisons would be overflowing

Speaker 1 i don't know about that

Speaker 32 where the did you go to school i went to school in new york i went to school i i don't know how they did it in the south well jesus christ they they cut you up there they stab you in the goddamn ribs and the grooming and everything down there i don't know what's going on but

Speaker 1 but again they're not accusing i mean it sounds like they're

Speaker 1 they're they have this incident in the

Speaker 1 in whatever they filed but it's not like they're saying they want

Speaker 32 i mean at this point coco has to say something at least defend himself one way or the other well that's what i'm saying is that they're not suing him in particular but because he has been named in this for this fucking thing,

Speaker 32 everybody is saying he's a goddamn, he's a

Speaker 32 accused in alleged abuse scandal of the ringboys. Well, so now Coco's linked to this for this bullshit.

Speaker 32 I mean, in all seriousness, let's have some element of proportion. And that's the one.

Speaker 32 If you had just looked at Coco and said, they're adding you to the sexual abuse scandal, he would have genuinely, honestly, with wide eyes said to who for what?

Speaker 32 What the

Speaker 32 I'm sure he doesn't even remember this happening.

Speaker 32 One of the

Speaker 32 30 years or whatever the goddamn locker room, jacking around, and suddenly he's brought into this fucking thing and

Speaker 32 drug through the mud in the headlines.

Speaker 1 They quote Tony Chimmel. Tony Chimmel can kind of, I don't know if clear it all up is the right thing, but he could at least give it.

Speaker 32 Well, I'm sure he would tell it. Yeah, Coco fucking patted him down and grabbed his balls, and they all laughed.
And I told the kid, yeah, you ought to get out of here.

Speaker 32 I mean, that's that's Tuesday. What the fuck?

Speaker 1 I'm looking on Wikipedia right now.

Speaker 1 This is news to me. I didn't realize this.
Tony Chimmel, born in 1961,

Speaker 1 an American former pro wrestling ring announcer. He is signed to all elite wrestling.
What? Where he works as a producer. He is best known for his time in WWE.
I did not know know he was with AEW.

Speaker 1 In April 2023, Chimmel revealed that he was working with AEW assisting with production during their Orlando tapings.

Speaker 1 Who knows?

Speaker 32 Maybe he's not on just in Orlando. When they're in Orlando, just not on the road.
Because he's my age, for heaven's sake. I'm leaning over there.
Now I'm back. He's my age.

Speaker 32 He needs to be semi-retired and enjoying the sunshine down there.

Speaker 1 One last thing on all this Ringboy stuff.

Speaker 1 Did anything else happen? Like, are they anywhere new? Or is there anything other than like, you know, this amended? It sounds like it's an amended complaint or it's another complaint.

Speaker 32 Well, no, it's new. It's new young Ringboy.

Speaker 1 It's new boys. It's actually new accusers.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 32 But you know, Brian, the thing is, just whenever I think of Cocoa Ware, I will think of the...

Speaker 32 the teenage kid in the back of the Louisville Gardens playing church songs on the Pioneer for Christine Jarrett. Oh, and now you know he might have to he might have to change his appearance.

Speaker 32 Last time I saw him, he was clean-shaven. He might have to grow a beard or something, change the way he looks so he can go out in public without being harassed now.

Speaker 32 But you know, that is a good idea.

Speaker 1 I don't know where you're going. How is he on the piano?

Speaker 32 He was pretty good on the piano. He wasn't liberace, but he was okay.

Speaker 32 But I'm thinking that if he would change his appearance by growing a beard, maybe we found a loophole.

Speaker 32 If you have done something, ladies and gentlemen, in your, well, maybe not ladies, I think you're disqualified, but gentlemen, in your life, if you've done something bad and somebody may recognize you, if you had a beard, now's the time to shave it.

Speaker 32 Change your appearance. Nobody will recognize you.
You'll get away with this shit. They'll blame somebody else.

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Go to, I sure do. Go to Harry's.com,

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Speaker 32 So if you had a beard during any crime that you may have committed or unsavory act that you have done in your life, just shave it off and nobody will recognize you, but

Speaker 32 you can subscribe to Harry's because there's no sense tempting fate. Don't go outside and risk apprehension.
Stay in the house, clean shaven. Get them to deliver the razor blades to your door.

Speaker 32 And as long as the cops knock on your door, when they're looking for a bearded guy, you're slick shaved.

Speaker 32 Harry's.com slash JCE.

Speaker 32 The trial kit, normally $10, only six bucks. And then it's up to you, fellas, to stay ahead of the law.
And Father's Day is coming up. Do you want to go to prison on Father's Day?

Speaker 1 Once again, if you need a good shave, that's what it's all about. They've been doing it for thousands of years.
Why not try one today?

Speaker 32 Well, Harry's hadn't been doing it for thousands of years.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm talking about humans.

Speaker 32 But Harry's, they perfected the thing. But basically, I don't even care about the shave now.
Just try to get away with the shit

Speaker 32 and just change your appearance. A lot of people would, it would be a positive thing if they just changed their appearance, even if they haven't done anything wrong.
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Speaker 1 Hey Jim, real quick before we move on, because once again, it's going so well. Mm-hmm.
I'm seeing something here as a follow-up of an earlier discussion we had.

Speaker 1 It is being attributed to Sean Ross Sap from Fightful. It's a tweet.
It's not even a tweet. I'm not sure what this is, but it says, Woof.

Speaker 1 Rick, I don't know why you begin with that. Woof.

Speaker 1 Ricochet really trolled the guy into getting media class for the whole PC.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the idea that everyone in developmental had to go for media training because of this Ricochet

Speaker 1 thing, allegedly, potentially.

Speaker 32 Oh my God. Well, and see, again,

Speaker 32 because they're owned by a corporate conglomerate that doesn't want to be accused of calling Tony a crackhead or a spade, a spade, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 32 And so now they have to call everybody together, say, don't say this.

Speaker 32 And when in the wrestling business, for the first 125 years or so, if some guy knocked you and you went to his house and punched him the fuck out, you'd probably get a round of applause from your promoter.

Speaker 1 Well, it is interesting, though, if there was social media in the 80s, let's say, don't you think if you went to mid-South, knowing how Watts wrote down stuff and gave you guys rules, would there be a

Speaker 1 set of rules for how you interact with people on social media?

Speaker 32 Yes, there would be, no doubt about it. And I'm not trying to say that there wouldn't, especially the way Watts was, but the rules would be more about

Speaker 32 defending the business and if necessary yourself than what you called somebody or if you hurt their feelings or if it got attention or whatever in that respect, unless it was a,

Speaker 32 unless you were fighting with the opposition, which there's an element of that also here.

Speaker 32 In which case you're giving the opposition goddamn attention and promoting a match that's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 Well, what a week for Ricochet. Of course, we'll get to AEW later on, but ricochet, obviously, in this online match with someone who won't be wrestling, Javon Evans of NXT.

Speaker 1 But don't worry, he has a big upcoming match with Zach Gowan to look forward to. So things are really looking up.

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 32 we'll talk about that when it happens, if it happens. Unless,

Speaker 32 I don't know.

Speaker 32 I say unless sanity prevails. We know that's not going to happen, but is...
Is this cause for somebody to step in and establish like a curatorship of Tony?

Speaker 32 Maybe.

Speaker 32 Anyway, before we talk about the current crazy people, let's talk about the crazy people from the past, Brian.

Speaker 32 Because there was another episode of Dark Side of the Ring on Vice TV focusing on one of the crazier of the crazy people.

Speaker 32 In the land of fruits and nuts, he's the head cashew.

Speaker 32 Our friend Billy Jack Haynes,

Speaker 32 who, as I

Speaker 32 aptly and succinctly put it at the start of the program, started out out his career as a star and finished up as a nobody. He went in reverse.

Speaker 32 And when you think about it, especially from the footage that they showed, that was pretty much true.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 I'm going to let you start and vent on all the historical inaccuracies and/or

Speaker 32 dates that were misrepresented. But this was overall, I thought, and you can tell me if you felt the same way, more of one of the shows about a guy who at one point was a wrestler, but is

Speaker 32 just more

Speaker 32 bat shit crazy after he, before and after potentially he was into business than he was while he was in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this was dark side dot, dot, dot, dot, dot of the ring.

Speaker 1 They spent a lot of time dealing with a jailhouse interview where he said nothing.

Speaker 32 But his lawyer wouldn't let him.

Speaker 1 Every Every single question, his lawyer, I mean, that's all we saw was him not being able to do it. Whoever his friend was, I found intriguing.

Speaker 1 He has some friend who very matter of factly would like be like, we can't really talk about that, but there's verification. Who the fuck is that guy?

Speaker 32 Yeah, and why didn't he communicate with Billy Jack's attorney?

Speaker 1 I thought you were really good on here.

Speaker 1 You know, again, I don't want to kill them for the historical stuff because obviously they're trying to tell a Billy Jack Haynes story.

Speaker 1 But if you're going to tell the story about him being a wacky, crazy wrestling character, why leave out everything?

Speaker 1 You know, why leave out? They said, like, oh, he was working all these smaller territories, and then he went to the WWF in 1986. No.

Speaker 1 Actually, he went to the WWF in 1984. They put him on the front cover of that program riding a sled with Hulk Hogan and Wendy Richter and Barry Wyndham.
And then he never arrived.

Speaker 1 Then he went to Crockett. where he got a big push and they were going to give him a bigger push.

Speaker 32 But wait, you skipped over. over.
He was in Florida for a while too, but also the one I thought you were going to talk about that he skipped over.

Speaker 32 And I told him the story.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 32 when he came to world class

Speaker 32 because Carrie was going to do the movie and they thought they were going to lose Carrie, or at least that they believed Carrie was going to do the movie. I don't think it was got that far.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 Chris Adams left town because he thought Billy Jack was going to fucking kill him.

Speaker 32 And that kind of of lent itself to Billy Jack's overall demeanor and reputation. But yeah, and we've told that story here before.
So look up the world-class stuff.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't know from watching this that he was married to Genie Clark. Chris Adams was never married to Genie Clark.
Billy Jack Haynes was.

Speaker 1 But that wasn't brought up here. But Billy Jack.

Speaker 32 I don't know if Billy Jack remembers by this point that he was married.

Speaker 1 Billy Jack walked out of every single place. Sean Waltman once told me, and Sean was a fan when Billy Jack hit Florida.
He said Billy Jack was bigger than Dusty at that point in time.

Speaker 1 Again, Dusty had been there for a while, but Billy Jack was huge. And then Billy Jack was gone.

Speaker 1 And that happened everywhere. I mean, it happened in Portland eventually.

Speaker 1 There wasn't too many people you think of that just immediately got that level of a push everywhere and always had that intensity.

Speaker 1 You think of the early 80s magazines, you think of Tony Atlas, you think of Kerry Von Eric, you think of Hogan, eventually the Road Warriors. But him, Billy Jack.

Speaker 1 I mean, it seemed like he was a dead certain pick to be a major star in the business, but that's before everyone realized he's a kook.

Speaker 1 And the other thing I'll say is a critique is

Speaker 1 I think this was an example of the people who make the show being too obsessed with shoot interviews. And this seemed more like a love letter to the Billy Jack Haynes shoot interviews that they love.

Speaker 1 than a coherent

Speaker 1 comprehensive story. Oh, I know.
Then you hear, oh, they only have 42 minutes. Let me tell you something.
You can tell a coherent story.

Speaker 1 You don't need reenactments of everything, especially when no one looks like Ken Patera. You got some fucking schlub in there.
Uh, Patera was good here.

Speaker 1 No, the reenactments, I know it's like their thing, their look, but at a certain point, you have to realize all they're doing is taking away from time and story. And Jericho sucks as a narrator.

Speaker 1 But other than that, it was at least interesting.

Speaker 32 Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did well, I like the talking heads

Speaker 32 because

Speaker 32 it obviously again, again, even if

Speaker 32 my Dallas story made the cutting room floor,

Speaker 32 Dave Sierra, Cuban assassin, was instrumental because he's one of the guys that helped him break in to begin with in Portland.

Speaker 32 Rip Oliver's son, because Rip and they talked about, and I couldn't, but we'll get to what Billy Jack did to Rip.

Speaker 32 later on in his life, later. But

Speaker 32 when Billy came to Dallas, dallas

Speaker 32 he brought rip oliver with him because he wanted the story i got and i managed rip so this i got the story from him was that billy wanted at least one heel he knew he could work with and he said okay

Speaker 32 and

Speaker 32 rip is another guy that had helped him break in and when billy jack gave his notice because they found out that

Speaker 32 Carrie was coming back and

Speaker 32 I get whatever the story was, they didn't want to honor the guarantee. And he, well, I'll just go back to Portland.
That's when they finished Rip up by hurting Mike

Speaker 32 because, and doing a deal there, because Rip went back to Portland with Billy.

Speaker 32 So, Dave Sierra, Rip Oliver's son,

Speaker 32 Uncle Dave was on Mike Miller, who and Lynn Denton, the grappler, who have been around the Northeast forever, and Bill Alfonso, Fonzie.

Speaker 1 Northwest.

Speaker 32 Or Brandon, what did I say, the Northeast? Northeast. I'm so used to it.
The other side.

Speaker 32 The other hand.

Speaker 32 But like you said, it really

Speaker 32 he started as the biggest star that he would be for the first few years. But by the time he got to the WWF

Speaker 32 in 86 for the run,

Speaker 32 that was the last year. And I had, then it was over.
And then

Speaker 32 he was bleh.

Speaker 32 Patera is the only one who thought that he was a nice guy and even then later on he said well he was manipulative and had an agenda but otherwise he had a good personality everyone i've ever talked to that knew him i don't know if nice was used quiet guy i think nice was used quiet yeah

Speaker 32 well that's the thing is that we had heard in the crockett locker room and now they with his record he had a couple of assaults but he didn't have a murder or homicide or whatever but we had heard in the crockett locker room when he came in that he had gotten a fight with some guy and hit him as hard, he killed him and had been in prison.

Speaker 32 I think he'd been in prison over the assaults. Apparently, the guy lived.

Speaker 32 But that's why he didn't, he had a real weak handshake with the boy, not even the dead fish worker's handshake, just like, I don't want to squeeze too hard.

Speaker 32 And he was very soft-spoken, like he didn't want to get mad, lose control of his temper,

Speaker 32 which when you hear some of the testimony from some

Speaker 32 of the people that were around him a lot, that may make some sense.

Speaker 32 But it just, you know,

Speaker 32 he's very quiet, very, you know, peaceful, but what the fuck?

Speaker 32 Almost too much.

Speaker 1 And I know they really didn't address it. And I know you really couldn't make money there or anything, but his run in 95 in Memphis was incredible.
He was the best heel in the business.

Speaker 32 Well, and that was the thing that it was a brief period of time. And we did talk about that also because they reminded me, the dark side guys that he worked for me

Speaker 32 that he was there at the the super bowl show against brand armstrong right yeah

Speaker 32 he had after the wwf he went back to portland tried to work or not work run opposition to don owens

Speaker 32 the guy who had broke him in but he was going to be the vince mcmahon of oregon

Speaker 32 And when that didn't work, he was out of the business for a couple of years, far as anybody knew. And then

Speaker 32 he showed up. Randy Hales was booking at that time in Memphis and showed up there as a heel.
And he was, he didn't have the physique. He wasn't cut like he was before, but he had still had the size

Speaker 32 so he could carry it off, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had a run in, I think, what, 91 in WCW, opposite Matt Bourne as Big Josh.

Speaker 32 Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 He was, I think, Black Blood, maybe.

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 32 the lumberjack had some evil

Speaker 32 composition. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. And a lot of these guys, when Vince got rid of them in 88, the only place they really had to go because they never ended up working for WCW was the UWF.

Speaker 1 So a lot of these guys, when Herb Abrams started up,

Speaker 1 you saw them. Ken Patera, Killer Bees, Billy Jack Haynes, Bruno.

Speaker 1 Everyone that left WWF in 1988. ended up working for Herb Abrams.

Speaker 32 Well, because he was kind of like an older, poorer, and potentially already crazier version of Tony Khan. He just wanted to hire everybody that was available to be hired that he had been a fan of.

Speaker 32 But with Billy Jack, he OD'd on the plane, which is what the final straw in the WWF was. And he said he was taking 25 pills a day in the 80s of whatever

Speaker 32 description or kind.

Speaker 32 And he left guys hanging and he blamed his head and drugs in the Oregon Wrestling Federation.

Speaker 32 And that's when he started doing the shoot promos. He was a big time Coke dealer and he did this and that.
And

Speaker 32 I think we talked about it at the time a while back.

Speaker 32 I do not doubt that Billy Jack Haynes sold some people some cocaine.

Speaker 32 I do not doubt that there is that he probably beat a person up a time or two, try to collect some money for himself or other people.

Speaker 32 He was obviously somebody that would sell people stories and bills of goods and try to capitalize on it.

Speaker 32 But then, when the stories get so bizarre and so far-fetched, and yes, the lawyer is advising him to leave certain subjects alone. But when one of his stories is he delivered Coke to Andy Gibb,

Speaker 32 and he was the witness to the

Speaker 32 kids on the track murders. And

Speaker 32 his dad was either Vince McMahon Sr. or Lenny Montana.

Speaker 1 The Andy Gibbs story, is it that it was the Coke that killed him or he just sold him Coke? Because that's not outrageous.

Speaker 32 Well, no, I think it's outrageous

Speaker 32 that killed him, but even, but

Speaker 32 just that he just happened to, he's the forest gump of crime and happened to be involved in all these things with all these famous people.

Speaker 1 If you walk around with pockets of Coke, you could run into all sorts of people.

Speaker 32 Well, but as Bill Alfonso said,

Speaker 32 well,

Speaker 32 but then he should know. He had the best line of the show.
Would Billy Jack has said, well,

Speaker 32 he would try to allude that he was working for the Clintons from Arkansas. Fonse said, why the fuck would Bill Clinton call Billy Jack Haynes?

Speaker 32 And sometimes the easiest,

Speaker 32 most correct answer is the simplest. Why the fuck would Bill Clinton call Billy Jack Haynes? It's a goddamn coked up lunatic fucking punch drunk, as they used to say, wrestler.

Speaker 32 You could probably find more reliable fucking people in the special forces.

Speaker 32 And he said the Bush family was involved in 9-11.

Speaker 32 And he got beaten up for real

Speaker 32 by somebody for some reason in 2006, but he told the local journalist that was working on his story out there that a local crime family did it at their car lot over a bad Coke deal in the 80s where he ripped them off.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 why did they wait 20 years?

Speaker 32 Could it have been for something else or just some random motherfucker that he tried to con and he concocted a story?

Speaker 32 Because the same journalist.

Speaker 32 said that he told Billy Jack a story about a murder that he was working on that Billy Jack had heard for the first time and two months later billy jack was telling the journalist that he was there when it happened was that a journalist or a cop no that was a journalist that was working on that story i thought that i thought that was a cop as i remembered back okay

Speaker 32 but i mean and then when he was homeless billy jack he moved in with rip oliver when rip was dying from cancer cancer

Speaker 32 And Rip's son said he was stealing Rip's pills.

Speaker 32 And he talked Rip into doing a deal where they took money from the Cauliflower Alley Club to save Rip's house. Rip knew he was dying and they just split it.
But then

Speaker 32 he just, again, he was homeless and just moves into this house of a guy that helped break him in and steals his pills and

Speaker 32 lives in his fucking house when he's dying.

Speaker 32 And then when his other friend died, that's when he married the friend's mother who was 85 years old. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 You have to hate hearing that.

Speaker 1 If you're someone who donates to Cauliflower Alley or someone who you know gives them money the idea they could be getting scammed like that that's pretty well yeah on and all the way and stealing the cancer patient's medicine

Speaker 1 and i'm glad you brought up his haircut although you said pete best pete best never really had a mop top

Speaker 1 it's more like brian jones from the dead

Speaker 1 not not from the the grateful dead from the actual dead what a great head of hair i mean you saw him in prison it's all the way trimmed down and no bald spots that are visible.

Speaker 1 What a great head of hair!

Speaker 32 Well, you know, that's the way to look at the positive side of things, Brian.

Speaker 32 You know, he killed his wife and he stole cancer patients' medicine and he ripped off all these people, but he had a hell of a head of hair.

Speaker 1 He had a thick head of hair. I think people would kill for something like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 32 Or he might kill them and

Speaker 1 take their hair.

Speaker 1 What's he going to do?

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 kill him and take their hair.

Speaker 1 It's the science of the lambs.

Speaker 32 Yes,

Speaker 32 that's who's responsible for this whole thing.

Speaker 32 But God, and the point is, again, he had a friend and they showed the picture of the friend who was a younger guy.

Speaker 32 And when he dies, then Billy Jack marries the guy's mother, who's 15 years older than Billy Jack. And they.

Speaker 32 The friend that you pointed out of Billy Jacks, it was saying, oh, he loves her. He's the only thing in the world or she's the only thing in the world that he loves

Speaker 32 she's had dementia her family didn't approve of billy jack

Speaker 32 he's found another way to

Speaker 32 live in somebody's house

Speaker 32 and then he shoots her in the head and claims it was a mercy killing and lynn denton

Speaker 32 the co-winner of the line of the show, shot her in the head and called it a mercy killing. I don't know, brother.

Speaker 32 I mean, well, that's about Lynn's about as wrestling as you can get. I don't know, brother.

Speaker 32 The

Speaker 32 if

Speaker 32 you were, if you were going to put

Speaker 32 an elderly, infirm, sick, loved one out of their misery,

Speaker 32 is there a way to do the killing with more mercy than holding? Hold still, honey. I don't want to miss.
Bam.

Speaker 32 And shooting her in the head?

Speaker 32 What about the old pillow smother you saw in the Betty Davis movies?

Speaker 1 Let's not recommend ways to kill.

Speaker 32 Well, I'm not recommending anything. It's up to the individual perpetrator as to whether they want to do these things, but I'm saying there's less violent ways of doing it, more merciful.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know what you want me to say about that.

Speaker 32 Well, you could admit that the lambs agree.

Speaker 1 I can't speak for the lambs. Who am I?

Speaker 1 Ba.

Speaker 32 Ba, say.

Speaker 32 We'll speak for those lambs. Bah.

Speaker 32 Humbug.

Speaker 32 Next week, the sheik, baby. I can't wait.
I want to see the sheik.

Speaker 1 Is that the last episode of the season?

Speaker 32 I don't know. I haven't been counting.

Speaker 32 They're just, they're so good. They just appear before me every week.
And I live from week to week for the night when I I can watch more. Because you know why? Because you're on it.

Speaker 32 Because it's only 45 minutes with commercials and there's no actual goddamn wrestling matches from today on it.

Speaker 32 It's the easiest thing I watch all week. Everything else is three hours long and a goddamn gymnastics meet in the middle of a goddamn romper room.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been on more episodes in a season?

Speaker 32 Well, it's called for.

Speaker 1 They've done so. I go to the show very often.
I agree.

Speaker 32 I was the subject of three double blind clinical trials.

Speaker 32 And both of those blind people said that I was the best one on the show.

Speaker 32 That way they got out of the clinic quicker.

Speaker 1 And the third one sent you the clock.

Speaker 32 And goddammit, what it is 10, 47. No, no, it's not.

Speaker 32 Next week, the chic.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, let's light a fire under this show and

Speaker 1 burn, burn, burn, burn, baby burn

Speaker 32 what the that that's that's not a pitch to any sponsor oh well it is your show so the pitches are all

Speaker 1 yours

Speaker 32 you know what i'm thinking if you haven't heard

Speaker 1 i have no idea

Speaker 32 you don't know well you'll find out

Speaker 32 If you haven't heard the Billy Jack Haynes story or any of these other dark side of the ring stories, Brian, you don't want to be left out. You want to hear things.

Speaker 32 You want to know what's what's going on in the world. If you haven't heard these stories, maybe the problem is you.

Speaker 32 Maybe it's not that the stories aren't being told. Maybe that you're not picking up on them.
Because it's not just the laying down of the stories, it's the picking up of the stories. And I have had

Speaker 32 situations and times I've told you I was hit by lightning.

Speaker 32 And I have a very specialized situation with my hearing where every once in a while,

Speaker 32 in a loud room with a lot of background noise, when somebody's talking to me from across the table, I just mimic their expression. If they're smiling, I smile.
When they laugh, I laugh.

Speaker 32 Or if they look mad, I shake my head in disgust. You know why, Brian? Because I can't hear one goddamn thing they're saying.

Speaker 32 And I understand there's a lot of people out there in today's world.

Speaker 32 Especially because of the level of background noise, which has never been louder. If you walk down the street, what do you hear?

Speaker 32 A bunch of goddamn nonsense, bunch of honking, and a bunch of clattering and a bunch of stepping and a bunch of hammering.

Speaker 32 And that's, I'm telling you, it's all you can do to just not go crazy with all the noise, noise, noise. And you can't hear people when they're talking.

Speaker 32 Somebody might come up to you on the street and say, hey, would you like to tickle my taint?

Speaker 32 And because they smile, then you smile. And the next thing you know, you're in a back alley somewhere doing things that you really didn't think you were going to do that day.

Speaker 1 What kind of example is this? What Jim is is trying to say is that many people are

Speaker 1 suffer from hearing loss. And of course, there are many things that could cause it.
A lot of us go to or have gone to a lot of concerts and didn't put anything in our ears to protect ourselves.

Speaker 1 And now we're dealing with the ramifications. And we have a friend who can

Speaker 1 with the ramifications of life and make you so that you can hear. All sorts of things that you want to hear.
Let's stay appropriate. Go, Jim.

Speaker 32 Yes. Well, they don't make ramifications.
They make hearing aids.

Speaker 32 Now, as you said, said, if you've gone to concerts with no protection, and let's face it, folks, when you're young, it's awful hard to get those fucking, especially the lubricated condoms over the top of your ears.

Speaker 1 Ear protection, I'm speaking.

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Nobody's going to know it's there.

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Speaker 1 But right now that won't be coming. These are honorable people, good people.
Well, right now, they haven't been able to,

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Speaker 32 All righty, well, should we start talking about

Speaker 32 the AEW? I'm just, I'm switching my.

Speaker 32 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It is not fun to watch this show anymore. It used to be, even when it was bad,

Speaker 1 there was still a newness.

Speaker 1 You still would see people pop up, like, who the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 1 There was still

Speaker 1 such really bad stuff that at least I knew we'd have some fun stuff to talk about. It seems like there's less of

Speaker 1 like anything that matters on this show.

Speaker 32 They are

Speaker 32 they are down to

Speaker 32 the the the kids they've got the the style has won out for the most part there are some exceptions the hurt syndicate

Speaker 32 i can't think of any others

Speaker 32 where it's the the kids that want to perform they they they're the actors they're the auteurs they're the

Speaker 32 the performers they're the multi-talented individuals that want to come out and emote emote is a good word for what a lot of what they're doing here and

Speaker 32 and it's just it's

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 32 it's not even as appealing as it was to that segment of the audience at the start of this thing to this this project to which it was appealing

Speaker 32 because the the talent such as it is, is stale. There are no more game changers.
They've buried all of those.

Speaker 32 The millions of dollars he spent in the last 12 months is already kind of exception, and they're working on just making osprey

Speaker 32 completely uninteresting.

Speaker 1 And well, I'll wait till we get to Osprey to talk about that, but yeah,

Speaker 32 yeah, we'll get there

Speaker 32 because

Speaker 32 it's it, and they're they're putting more

Speaker 32 apparently emphasis on Adam Page,

Speaker 32 or as the guy called him on Twitter, Magnum LGBTA.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 he comes out there. And again, this is another one of those things that in these kids' mind,

Speaker 32 this sounds good.

Speaker 32 He's concocted this story and he has this material that he's prepared and he's going to deliver. This is his chance to have the

Speaker 32 stage all to himself so he can emote

Speaker 32 about

Speaker 32 whether we're supposed to cheer for him or not, or what we're supposed to think about him, or what the fuck he's doing, right?

Speaker 32 Because it's so confusing.

Speaker 32 And he comes out there, and it's almost like the South Park episode, and he's got the spotlight on him.

Speaker 32 After what happened to me and my family, I wanted revenge and justice, and I found it.

Speaker 32 But I took it from another man. I took his only hopes and dreams, and I nearly killed him.

Speaker 32 And after our cage match, I thought I'd feel joy and and closure but i felt nothing

Speaker 32 because i i thought maybe if i went back and finished the job ae killed him right

Speaker 32 i i could go back and finish the job and and i could find that joy and closure but i couldn't go and finish it and i don't know why

Speaker 32 so then i unleashed that anger on anyone who got in my way because I thought that that would give me some catharsis.

Speaker 32 Who the fuck talks like this?

Speaker 32 It's fake bullshit. It's bad attempts at script writing from some

Speaker 32 want to be fantasy Hollywood script writer.

Speaker 32 And no,

Speaker 32 nobody that was actually dangerous as a physical human being in real life would talk like this or have any of these emotions.

Speaker 32 And when he goes through this goddamn thing,

Speaker 32 as soon as he mentions Swerve, they chant Swerve's house, not because Swerve's necessarily any more stunningly over, but because that's where they get to chant.

Speaker 32 And Paige says that he'll never forgive or forget what Swerve did, but he put it behind him and made the decision to enter the Owen Cup. And he beat Alexander and he beat Felcher.

Speaker 32 And now he's going to face Osprey in the finals at double or nothing. And as soon as he mentions Will Osprey's name, guess whose music plays, Brian?

Speaker 32 The pony known as Will Osprey.

Speaker 32 They have been watching the WWE so long, but they're at the same time have been alive such a short period of time.

Speaker 32 that they think this is the way that it's always been and supposed to be.

Speaker 32 And they're not way past sick and fucking fed up with it yet.

Speaker 32 And now Osprey comes out so they can do a duet.

Speaker 32 And they can double emote, demote

Speaker 32 for the fucking fans in the audience.

Speaker 32 And they stare at each other with their mean faces, Brian, while the fans start chanting, happy birthday.

Speaker 32 Because of course they know it's Will Osprey's birthday. Why wouldn't they?

Speaker 32 And Osprey actually apologizes for interrupting. He calls Paige's interview his therapy session.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 my God, this continued to go on. Osprey, although after hearing Paige, he sounded like Heyman a little bit,

Speaker 32 but he...

Speaker 32 He said he liked how Paige showed leadership to the dork order.

Speaker 32 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 32 He actually reminded people of that goddamn thing that was probably the first thing that started leading to Paige's downward spiral years ago. In booking, not talking about in a story.

Speaker 32 In the actual booking, his booking's been shit since he had to converse with job guys.

Speaker 32 And then Osprey said, but last week we saw you smile.

Speaker 32 And we all want you to beat your demons, bruv, and reclaim your spot.

Speaker 32 But a double or nothing, I'm not losing. Tony has booked his only two baby faces that anybody gives two shits and a tickle about to fight each other.

Speaker 32 Instead of being able to, as we talked about last week, have Felcher in the finals put Osprey over so he can go to the stadium and put an end to this goddamn Moxley nightmare.

Speaker 32 Like any goddamn rational human being would do.

Speaker 32 And now Osprey started screaming. He's, I've been doing the media, the maiden greets.
I'm taking pictures with kids, bruv.

Speaker 32 It's not about your redemption. It's about my ascension.

Speaker 32 Explain to me, Brian, who talks like this in real life and who gives a shit to watch people do it. They're soft pussies.
Whining about their spot. There's no real personal issues.

Speaker 32 No, you broke my leg or you stole my belt or you fucked my woman. It's either pussy shit that nobody cares about or you burned my house down that nobody believes.
Am I exaggerating?

Speaker 1 With these specific people, no, you're not exaggerating. And I think that's part of the problem.
Tony can't book it. And these guys on their own can't come up with.

Speaker 1 Things that make sense, things that are good, things that sound real. Adam Page

Speaker 1 has been like a depressed actor for almost six years now.

Speaker 1 He's no longer the young guy in the company. He's no longer, this guy's going to have a great future.
We may have already seen as good as it's going to get from Adam Page.

Speaker 32 We have seen your future.

Speaker 1 And then Osprey, I mean, even Dave, I don't know if you saw the quote because a few people sent it over to me. Dave called that Osprey because he goes out there and he doesn't dress like a star.

Speaker 1 Did you see that?

Speaker 32 No, I mean, I agree with it. And that's, you know, shocking that Dave and I would see eye to eye or that he would publicly express that opinion.

Speaker 32 But no, he dresses like some fucking schlub like the rest of these guys because they think they're

Speaker 32 too cool to dress like professionals or stars.

Speaker 32 But the money's the same. So, you know, why not?

Speaker 1 Why book this match?

Speaker 32 Well, anyway.

Speaker 32 So as they went face to face again,

Speaker 32 that's Osprey and

Speaker 32 Hangnail.

Speaker 32 Here comes Don with the whole family.

Speaker 32 I think Trent, Archer, Alexander, take a shit was out there.

Speaker 1 It looks like a size chart. Rocky Romero was out there.
Trent was out there. It was ridiculous.

Speaker 32 But they didn't line up. It was uneven.
They didn't line him up in the row. They should have.

Speaker 32 And the fans are booing Don. That's a thing.
Like Dominic will boo over him.

Speaker 32 Don actually said that Osprey, the stupidest day that you ever lived was leaving the Don Fallus family. And remember, Osprey asked respectively if he could, and Don agreed.

Speaker 32 Remember, we said that was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen. I've never seen a guy, a heel just, can I leave? Oh, okay.

Speaker 32 And then he tried to cut the promo where Osprey wouldn't trust Paige. But then Osprey.

Speaker 32 took the microphone and his moment was he was going to challenge for a big tag team match, but the fans independently decided to start chanting,

Speaker 32 Don Callis.

Speaker 32 So Osprey had to stop and just stand there for like 10 seconds while they got it out of their system.

Speaker 32 And then he started it again the exact same with the exact same verbiage to challenge for a tag match. But that's when Paige grabbed his wrist and gave him a mean look.

Speaker 32 And they just stared at each other the whole time that Don was accepting a tag match next week. and the fans were chanting, shut the fuck up at Don.

Speaker 32 They were just standing. Osprey at one point was snarling at Paige as they were looking in each other's eyes.

Speaker 32 Dramatic storytelling.

Speaker 32 I'm not saying that if any of this material was any good and that any of the talent could act, that they couldn't pull it off, but they this ain't it, dog.

Speaker 32 What are your thoughts on whether this is it or not?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's it. I think I've shared most of my thoughts.
I think Osprey is a really talented guy, but he seems to just want to be one of the guys. That's why he dresses like a schlub.

Speaker 1 And Adam Page, I'm just sick of Adam Page. Again, like I said, it's almost six years now.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't want to see this character evolve anymore. Just, I want to see this character kind of.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of him. But we'll see what happens.

Speaker 1 I'm not really looking forward to the match as of the second.

Speaker 32 Briefly, another one of our formerly favorite things has evolved. FTR

Speaker 32 have just switched heel.

Speaker 32 And in-ring-wise, let's face it, still,

Speaker 32 although this is fainter praise than it used to be, they're the best. in-ring wrestling working tag team in the company.

Speaker 32 But they in Stokely now, their manager out of nowhere,

Speaker 32 come and they start pushing Tony around and they talk negative about him.

Speaker 32 Stokely called him a pale, decrepit, pasty piece of shit.

Speaker 32 And Tony stood up and bowed up at him until FTR, he shoved Tony down and then FTR blocked Tony off. I think Tony could have took him.

Speaker 32 But they had to cut a promo on Danny Garcia tomorrow on collision.

Speaker 32 They've just just turned heel and they have got nobody to work with.

Speaker 32 And they're reduced to having to work with Danny Garcia on Collision.

Speaker 32 So that the heel turn

Speaker 32 didn't elevate them at all because it was done just so they could turn on their best friend who immediately went away.

Speaker 32 And when he comes back, there's one of him and two of them.

Speaker 32 So how did this set them up for a tag team program?

Speaker 1 It could either be Edge and Danny Garcia. Oh, Christ.
A lot of people think eventually we make it Edge and Christian, but Edge and Danny Garcia may be

Speaker 1 a thing. Daniel Garcia is just not it.
They're wasting their time.

Speaker 1 I could say this now. It's been years.

Speaker 1 I think it's a waste of time.

Speaker 32 Well, speaking of a waste of time, we had a world title eliminator four-way match with Tony Storm versus Thunder Rosa versus Anna J versus Penelope Pitstop.

Speaker 32 And the World Title title eliminator four-way means that the winner of this

Speaker 32 gets a world title match, right?

Speaker 32 With one of the world champions they have.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 isn't Tony Storm one of the world champions they have?

Speaker 32 Well, I thought, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but it doesn't matter because

Speaker 32 I don't care. But at one point in this four-way match, Megan Brain

Speaker 32 just came out to the ring because it was on fast forward. I saw her.
I stopped.

Speaker 32 Came out to the ring, just got in the ring and started not only beating people up, but doing random wrestling spots in this match in front of the referee.

Speaker 32 And they didn't stop it because, as the announcer said, well, it's no DQ. Just random people not affiliated can come in and start doing actual spots.

Speaker 32 And then Harley Cameron came out and chased her off with a fake lead pipe.

Speaker 32 And the match continued, and Tony Storm won. So, once again, all these little details, does it really matter?

Speaker 32 And all this does is teach these guys and girls that this shit is normal and is somehow going to work and get over

Speaker 32 because the checks cash. So they think it's good.

Speaker 32 If you held them to a standard, how about

Speaker 32 what was the reason why

Speaker 32 Action Andretti and Leo Rush were just wandering around the arena in the crowd?

Speaker 1 Well, they were a tag team. Obviously, they're checking out the competition.

Speaker 32 But there was no competition wrestling,

Speaker 32 and they came out before any tag team had even emerged to begin with. And they're just wandering around.
And then they didn't do anything.

Speaker 32 Did they?

Speaker 1 Did they do anything? I don't think so, no.

Speaker 32 Did you really ever see where they went?

Speaker 1 They probably found some seats.

Speaker 32 So here comes the Hurt Syndicate after Andretti and Rush find their seats.

Speaker 32 An MVP introduces them and gets the big cheers and asks the question we've been asking: where are all the best tag teams? Why aren't they stepping up? Has anybody around here got what it takes?

Speaker 32 And suddenly, music plays, and I swear to God,

Speaker 32 Darius and Dante Martin

Speaker 32 came out with looks on their faces like I don't know, fucking Ethel and Julius Rosenberg had before their fucking execution.

Speaker 1 Jesus. It was,

Speaker 32 it just automatically, I mean, the one started, hey, we, this is actual material. We've been a little down on our luck lately.
So we see this as an opportunity.

Speaker 32 That's the way the babyfaces came out to confront the heel tag team champions. Was

Speaker 32 we've been down on our luck lately. We see this as an opportunity.
We're underdogs. Nobody has any, this is their material.
We're underdogs. Nobody has their money on us.

Speaker 32 But while the other guy was speaking, the one was looking scared, shitless.

Speaker 32 And then they said, Detroit, we've proven we can hold our own. You want to see a miracle?

Speaker 32 And the fans were like, eh,

Speaker 32 no, they didn't want to see a miracle. They might have wanted to see a miracle, but they didn't see any miracle workers.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 so this is the level of competition that comes out. And then as they.

Speaker 32 As they finish their promo, basically saying, look, we're nobody and we never win, and nobody thinks we're going to now.

Speaker 32 But what the fuck? It doesn't matter if you kill us, just fight us.

Speaker 32 And then MJF comes out from behind and levels both these guys and gets the fuck cheered out of them. They're just fans, MJF, MJF.

Speaker 32 And he beat up both the babyfaces. And one of them,

Speaker 32 if you can call it bleeding, I think he had a little bladeitis, did one of the Martins, and he got a pap smear.

Speaker 32 But these guys, by the way, will dive off the fucking roof, but they will not blade their fucking head a fucking half an inch.

Speaker 32 Give me that choice every day. If I've got to do one of the two,

Speaker 32 I'll remain on the ground with the sword in my hand.

Speaker 32 And so then MJF, after he's laid waste to these two goofuses,

Speaker 32 gets in the ring and gets up in Bobby Lashley's face and says, I hurt people.

Speaker 32 And the place blew, yay.

Speaker 32 And the fans started chanting, we hurt people.

Speaker 32 And then Lashley's big response, where he was apparently, he did say, apparently,

Speaker 32 I'll give you your answer next week. His microphone was turned off for the first half of the goddamn thing.

Speaker 32 But anyway, so now next week, we're going to get our resolution.

Speaker 32 And we've also seen that there ain't a lot of tag teams around there. And at least MJF is starting to use the coin of the realm that the Hurts Syndicate deal in.
Brian, again,

Speaker 32 except for the fact that the Martin brothers just looked like cooked gooses when they

Speaker 32 wandered out there.

Speaker 32 What'd you think?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when they wandered out there and then one guy beat both of them up.

Speaker 32 Well, but in all fairness, he came from behind.

Speaker 1 That's right. Where was Leo and Action Andretti? That's what I'd like to know.

Speaker 32 Well, they found their seats.

Speaker 1 What do you think will happen next week? You think it's as simple as they let MJF in? Do they keep it going?

Speaker 1 Do they say, swerve? We're going to let Cedric in because Cedric's a free agent again. What do you think will happen?

Speaker 32 Well, but I don't know.

Speaker 32 You never know whether, what's their relationship with Cedric these days? How did he end up there? Back there at the Evil Empire while the other Hurts were

Speaker 32 free and clear to join this band of merry pranksters?

Speaker 32 What was that trajectory like? Did Cedric bail on the Hurts?

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was whose decision was what, but I guess the point is, what do you think is going to happen?

Speaker 32 Well, I think they better have a decision next week, or now it's going to get old because now he's done that. So we need to turn the page, enter the new chapter,

Speaker 32 whatever cliche that you would want to use. We need to see what's going to be next because there's really no way that you can put this off again

Speaker 32 after that presentation without people going, oh, come on now.

Speaker 32 But if he joins, then hopefully we will just be revving this thing up. But again, we got the problem.

Speaker 32 Who are they going to work with?

Speaker 1 Well, there you go. That was going to be my next question.
FTR just turned heel and these guys are kind of heel, but it could go either way.

Speaker 1 but they just turned heel and they're doing something else with other people moxley and claudio

Speaker 1 at least

Speaker 1 look-wise it's not ridiculous in there you know

Speaker 1 moxley's the singles champion exactly you can't but you would make it ridiculous looking you to being competitive with shelton

Speaker 1 and bobby they crippled pack the other week pack's not there brian cage i think is out again injured yeah so that tag team him and lance archer even though they already kind kind of ran through them, I think.

Speaker 1 They ran through the guns already.

Speaker 32 No, they were going to have that match, and then he got hurt before they had it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what it was. Where are the guns? Whatever happened to them?

Speaker 32 Oh, got

Speaker 32 apparently they got unloaded.

Speaker 1 The Bucs are not going to be working with the Hurt Syndicate, I can't imagine.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 32 No, they won't be.

Speaker 32 And the Hurt Syndicate would, I don't know if anybody would be man enough to walk up to the hurt syndicate and pitch that preposterous idea well i guess the question now that i'm thinking about all these options and you know even uh

Speaker 1 do they need to be babyfaces

Speaker 1 well theoretically they already are but they don't need to act like it because that will remove the appeal but who do they work with in terms of who they work with actually i'm thinking more than anything because i can think of lots of heel options

Speaker 1 Not that they're good. And some of them we have to kind of put together, but there aren't any babyface options.

Speaker 32 They ain't a lot of options.

Speaker 32 And that's, again, they can't fall in the trap of because the people are cheering for the Hurt Syndicate, make them babyfaces, and suddenly MVP can't do anything when an opposing manager interferes.

Speaker 32 Or, you know, Shelton Benjamin's not going to launch a guy with a suplex because they're double teaming. Lashley, but he hasn't got the tag and the referee is keeping him out.
Then

Speaker 32 the problem with AEW is all of their baby faces have been presented as so impotent with tiny, tiny little penises that do not function and they never win and they always get taken advantage of and they're suckers for a goddamn

Speaker 32 not even a good storyline of bullshit.

Speaker 32 And the heels look cooler in contrast.

Speaker 32 You, you, when you had cool heels, Ric Flair, the four horsemen, but the goddamn baby faces were just as as cool. Road Warriors, Magnum TA, whatever the, then it, that works,

Speaker 32 but not Undertaker and the Hurt Foundation and Shawn Michaels and when all those people were on opposite sides. That works,

Speaker 32 but not when

Speaker 32 they're fucking

Speaker 32 spitball Bailey.

Speaker 32 Anyhow,

Speaker 32 you know what the problem is, is that the Hurt Syndicate are open for business, but they only deal in the currency of violence, Brian.

Speaker 32 And a lot of people are not able to reach into their pocket and pull out a good old-fashioned ass whipping.

Speaker 32 That's the problem right there. You need to have in your back pocket, ladies and gentlemen, at all times if you're going to be in business, a good old-fashioned ass whipping.

Speaker 32 And right now, we can tell you.

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Speaker 32 Because Shopify, and hold on here,

Speaker 32 just want to remind you about that. Shopify is the best converting checkout on the planet.
Shopify.

Speaker 32 has the iconic purple shop pay button that used by millions of businesses around the world to take people's money and bring it in to be their very own.

Speaker 32 Shopify can spread your brand's word with built-in marketing and email tools to find and keep new customers. And Shopify,

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They're going to help you through it. Inventory to payments to analytics.

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Speaker 32 You stick your leg up, they're going to get underneath it, and they're going to boost you up to where you can see the top of the profits. And that money's going to start rolling in.
And then...

Speaker 32 You're going to use some of that money to get that guy out from between your legs and put you down on the ground where you can go spend it.

Speaker 32 But Shopify, what? Is that saying you heard what I said? He'll put you down as long as you tip him.

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It's a tip about who they work with.

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That's why you need them in their dollar a month trial period.

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Speaker 32 Well,

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Speaker 32 you can't do without Shopify.

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Speaker 1 Shopify.

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Speaker 32 Well, next, they had a little segment where the Buckaroos were in the back playing heel. So O'Sleepy could say bitch and Ricochet could get in there and be all stoogie.

Speaker 32 And then the buckaroos open the door to go in their locker room. And there's the boar horseman sitting there in the dark lighting with the spookiness like it's the dungeon.
So

Speaker 32 they're going to have some interaction.

Speaker 32 And then we go to the ring, the ring of honor world TV title, which is now owned by Nick Plain,

Speaker 32 with Christian Cage and Mama and the whole group,

Speaker 32 they bring Rhino in to be

Speaker 32 Nick's opponent. Rhino was from Detroit.
People remembered him. He was over with them.

Speaker 32 He was probably one of the more popular guys when the people saw him on the show because they remember him when wrestling was kind of good.

Speaker 32 And he was good. And

Speaker 32 he looks more like Bam Bam Bigelow right now. He's gained a little weight, but he's retired, right?

Speaker 32 But the fans were into him.

Speaker 32 I don't think that anybody, including Rhino, wanted to go 15 minutes at 100 miles an hour with this kid. But

Speaker 32 what the fuck was they beat him in two minutes? And it was so preposterous.

Speaker 32 Literally, Rhino does a tackle.

Speaker 32 And then this dip shit just cut him off. He didn't heal him.
He just stopped him, put a boot up and dropkicked him off the turnbuckle. Didn't even poke him in the eye.

Speaker 32 And he gets 30 seconds of heat.

Speaker 32 And then Rhino makes a comeback. Kid takes three bumps.
Rhino hits him with a spine buster. It looked like a million dollars got a two count

Speaker 32 and went for the gore. And

Speaker 32 again, the kid avoided the gore

Speaker 32 and caught Rhino with the, I don't know what they call it now, the unprettier Christians finish,

Speaker 32 but not in any cheating way.

Speaker 32 And it looked like shit.

Speaker 32 And you could tell that he didn't know how to do it. And

Speaker 32 boom, it just, it was there. And he covered him one, two, three.

Speaker 32 And the fans started chanting bullshit, bullshit.

Speaker 32 They weren't chanting bullshit because. the guy won they were chanting bullshit because of how it happened and in the time it happened in

Speaker 1 Well, you know, the company's whole thing is pushing the quality of the matches, and then you do something like this where the fans are actually excited to see a match and you take it away quickly.

Speaker 1 What do you expect?

Speaker 32 Exactly.

Speaker 32 And it is a great idea. I'm always up for seeing Rhino.

Speaker 32 But if he wasn't up for,

Speaker 32 you know, in shape for whatever for six or seven minutes, and

Speaker 32 the kid be a heel

Speaker 32 so that it meant something,

Speaker 32 then just don't do it.

Speaker 1 Hey, what do you think of this Christian Nick Wayne thing? Is it worth it for it to play out? Are you into it at all, or do you just want it all to go away?

Speaker 32 I think at this point, it all needs to go away because the whole thing is.

Speaker 32 If this is going to be some way that they can eventually, as you're predicting, get Christian and Edge back together,

Speaker 32 That's it's an awful odd way to go about it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is that. I think eventually.

Speaker 32 Well, they ought to, they ought to get moving.

Speaker 32 It's not like anybody wants to wait six months to see the resolution of any of this shit.

Speaker 1 Because the other option is that I'm all for elevating people and Edge certainly should elevate people,

Speaker 1 but not Daniel Garcia. You know, so if it's like Edge and Daniel Garcia versus FTR, I'd rather I'm just Team of Christian and let's get some memorable tag matches.

Speaker 32 Well, but also, here's the thing: Christian, instead of spending this much time on, as I mentioned on last week's show, Nick Wayne, sure, he's a wonderful young man.

Speaker 32 They signed him before he was ready. He looks like any other indie guy, he's 19 or 20 years old.

Speaker 32 He needs to be bigger, he needs more experience, needs somebody to tell him how to fucking be a heel if he's going to be one.

Speaker 32 And he's on national TV. If they had to put Christian with Hobbes

Speaker 32 and give him this concerted long-term

Speaker 32 oomph behind him,

Speaker 32 or

Speaker 32 again, where's Wardlow?

Speaker 1 Where's Wardlow?

Speaker 1 On top of the mountain? Is he waiting for it?

Speaker 32 He's on top of the mountain waiting for Darby. They're going to pull the trigger on that.
It's going to be the biggest angle in the history of wrestling.

Speaker 32 But the point is, if they pick the proper talent to put

Speaker 32 veterans with to try to bring them up, it might work. But the Danny Garcias and the Wheeler Uselesses and the Nick Plains of the world are not them.
And then it just gets in the way.

Speaker 32 And then they shortchange the people there.

Speaker 32 And then the next match, they think, well, this will make up for it. Where again, you have to sit through

Speaker 32 Ricochet and Maddie and Nikki, the Buckaroos.

Speaker 32 going 20 minutes or whatever the fuck it is with poor Mark Briscoe, Hong Kong Fuy and Swerve Strickland.

Speaker 32 Swerve, one of their main event guys,

Speaker 32 is teaming up with poor Mark Briscoe, who just won a match last week after three years,

Speaker 32 and Ricky Steamboat's little daughter.

Speaker 32 It doesn't,

Speaker 32 it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

Speaker 32 It looks visually ridiculous. And then

Speaker 32 when the buckaroos come in, the people are said, they don't give a shit because they don't want to see those two little ass wipes.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 1 they can't get any reaction unless they overwhelm people with spots. So that by the time you're done reacting to the first thing, the next thing has happened and that keeps happening.

Speaker 1 And then you're exhausted.

Speaker 32 And then you clock. And then

Speaker 32 it makes no difference when more people do it because you've already seen it.

Speaker 1 And then one person after another runs into the center of the ring and does their spot. And then the other person lays down.
I mean, we've seen everything they do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The crowd doesn't give a shit about them.

Speaker 32 No, if you want a review of the match, listen to one that we did from five years ago because it's the same thing, but now with more fooy.

Speaker 32 And again, what is the audience for Douche Bailey?

Speaker 32 Is it effeminate midget fans of Kung Fu movies?

Speaker 32 Who is the target audience for that grinning nitwit?

Speaker 1 I want to see him go in there with the Hurd Syndicate.

Speaker 32 No.

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, he's a black belt. Okay, put him in there with Lashley.

Speaker 1 He's a black and blue belt.

Speaker 32 And then finally, they ended it. One of the buckaroos pins swerve with a small package.
They beat Swerve.

Speaker 1 It was Matt Buckaroo, I believe.

Speaker 32 Well, there you go.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 in the back.

Speaker 32 Before we go any further with the ring action,

Speaker 32 they had MJF and Osprey do a face-to-face that went way too too long with just the two of them where the announcer just fucking powders out as soon as there's any goddamn interplay between the talent.

Speaker 32 And MJF's story is he wants Osprey to win the Owen and go to all-in and win the title so then he can fight Osprey and it'll be easy to win his belt back.

Speaker 32 And Osprey's mumbling back at MJF and MJF's insulting Osprey.

Speaker 32 And he's, nobody's on the level of the devil. And Osprey says, I am.

Speaker 32 Because, you know, he's a goddamn, he looks like Osprey could double for the head of a Hell's Angels chapter.

Speaker 32 Fuck. And

Speaker 32 Renee Moxley Good had a sit-down with Jamie Hayter. It might have been Velma from Scooby-Doo.
I'm not sure which.

Speaker 1 That's 70s girl.

Speaker 32 Yeah, I wonder if Mike Awesome's busy.

Speaker 1 What is

Speaker 1 she? Looked like

Speaker 1 a single mom in 1975 going to a hearing on custody. Like what?

Speaker 32 She, No, she had an audition for the Austin Powers sequel.

Speaker 1 What is happening with Jamie Hayter?

Speaker 32 She was cutting a promo on Mercedes Moon, and Mercedes jumped in the room and attacked her. And Jamie chased her out of the room, and they fought into the arena.

Speaker 32 where they had a horrible fight where they couldn't even time a one-two.

Speaker 32 And in the entranceway,

Speaker 32 they did a duck the clothesline spot where Mercedes ducked the clothesline and ran off.

Speaker 32 And Jamie Hayter, when Mercedes ducked her clothesline and ran off, Jamie Hayter never turned around to see where Mercedes ran or to see if she had just stopped for that matter.

Speaker 32 She just looked at the camera and was mugging like, see, she runs off every time.

Speaker 32 Because that was the way they called it in locker rooms. So she didn't have to look.
She knew.

Speaker 32 And then while she's saying that, well, she just runs off every time mercedes ran back out and knocked the out of her from mine

Speaker 32 and put her in the stf so you got another baby face that's such a idiot that they can't goddamn look behind them to see if the person is that they're fighting is still there

Speaker 32 And now, think about this. Jamie Hayter got outsmarted by, as we've recently found out,

Speaker 32 a woman who regularly gets stranded of her own volition in the fucking woods.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was in Monet Mag, from what I understand. Yes.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 1 We may need to revisit that on the drive-thru, Monet Mag.

Speaker 32 I'm sure there's, there's, I'm sure, stories of her getting lost in major cities and small-town locales and countryside.

Speaker 1 How many of the stories will be an assistant? Her and an assistant.

Speaker 32 Well, one of the team. The team.
Member of the team.

Speaker 32 So, anyway, moving on.

Speaker 32 I'm just going to get, there's only two more things here.

Speaker 1 This may be the briefest or the

Speaker 1 quickest we are.

Speaker 32 Well, because it's gotten ridiculous. And I'm going to make a point here shortly.
Stay tuned for it on what we need to do to see if there's any hope for this company.

Speaker 32 But nevertheless, they had a big match.

Speaker 32 Remember they brought Kevin Knight in just a couple of weeks ago. And as we mentioned, he got a look to him and he seems athletic and he's taller than, you know,

Speaker 32 designed to ride the ride at six flags.

Speaker 1 He looks like he would fit in an NXT.

Speaker 1 He's been really good.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 so they've been beating the shit out of him. Just beating him every time you see him.
Never seen him win. And now they put him in a single match.

Speaker 32 And by the way, Randy Orton did an interview talking about picking Joe Hendry.

Speaker 32 for his WrestleMania opponent. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty pretty close to it.
They had a number of options, but they didn't want to debut

Speaker 32 Rusev or

Speaker 32 another guy that he mentioned

Speaker 32 in a match with him because he had to win since he was going on to face Cena.

Speaker 32 And you wouldn't, under any circumstances, want to bring a guy in that you have plans for and beat him his first time on television.

Speaker 32 Randy just said the most plain, basic, simple fact of a goddamn wrestling business, and it's a revelation to these numb nutses over here.

Speaker 32 So, Kevin Knight wrestled, oh sleepy.

Speaker 32 And I guarantee you that somebody told poor Kevin Knight, and he probably believes that, oh, because it'll be a great match against this legendary Japanese wrestler, you'll look better because of it.

Speaker 32 But the way they gave him an out

Speaker 32 was they've got, remember Rush, Brian?

Speaker 1 Rush. Rush.

Speaker 32 Yes, rev it up and get it started. He's back

Speaker 32 and he's got a problem with Kevin Knight because of some other goddamn thing that they did or are doing.

Speaker 32 So O'Sleepy goes to the ring and then Kevin Knight is introduced and as he's coming down the, not even a ramp, just the entranceway out from the fucking screen,

Speaker 32 Rush attacked him and beat the shit out of him.

Speaker 32 Bounced him off the railing and the ring steps and blah, blah, blah. And out came Spitball to save him.

Speaker 32 And Rush just fucking blew this little prick off as he should, but as he does all the other baby faces, just scoffed at the idea he should run.

Speaker 32 And after that, Rush has beaten the shit out of Kevin Knight,

Speaker 32 then Kevin Knight rolled into the ring and Aubrey Ed rang the bell to start the match.

Speaker 32 Okay, so I guess they're going to give him the out of now that he's been

Speaker 32 beaten up by Rush, then O Sleepy's going to beat him in a minute or two.

Speaker 1 And golly,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 32 They started off having a goddamn match. Now, O Sleepy was in charge.
He was slowly doing as few things as possible while the fans nodded off, but they went through a break.

Speaker 32 And when they came back, Kevin Knight was making a comeback.

Speaker 32 I wrote them, what the fuck was Rush for?

Speaker 32 Have these idiots ever even watched wrestling? This match went 10 minutes after that the guy had come out and kicked the shit out of Kevin Knight.

Speaker 32 So any

Speaker 32 residual damage that he had from that attack has been nullified and negated by him now making a comeback on and being competitive with

Speaker 32 goddamn O Sleepy,

Speaker 32 who then beat him with that shitty clothesline.

Speaker 32 But not before we saw that Kevin Knight was fine doing all of his shit. The angle before the match meant jack shit.
And now he just did a goddamn flat job in the middle of the ring.

Speaker 32 What is the matter with these people?

Speaker 1 These people being what? Tony Kahn?

Speaker 32 Any of these people, Tony Khan? These cumulative people.

Speaker 32 Tony Khan, the wrestlers that are going along with this, some of them that are pitching ideas for this, because Tony can't write all this shit by himself. He just wouldn't have time.

Speaker 32 He's getting input.

Speaker 32 And he's getting the input right up the old poop chute.

Speaker 32 And then Samoa Joe and Claudio was in the main event.

Speaker 32 Again, I mean, it seems like we've seen this a lot, even if we haven't, because it's the goddamn Boer Horseman and poor Samoa Joe again.

Speaker 32 Who's going to get his chance at the world title next week on free TV at a cage match, which means, I believe it's cage, I think,

Speaker 32 but that means he ain't going to win it.

Speaker 32 And they got a stadium show coming up.

Speaker 32 Nobody's ready to take the thing off of Moxley because nobody understands what the fuck his issue is.

Speaker 32 And they went past 10 o'clock, and Joe choked Claudio and he tapped out. And then

Speaker 32 when the Boar Horseman and Dick the Boozer came out,

Speaker 32 Hobbs came in with a chair, and

Speaker 32 they just beat Claudio up with the chair while the rest of them just watched.

Speaker 32 And that was the end of that.

Speaker 1 Well, that was.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, please.

Speaker 32 I'm just saying,

Speaker 32 it's more of the same shit that got them in this position to begin with. And now they just can't stop doing it.

Speaker 32 That's it.

Speaker 1 There's no brain trust. There's no one there who can execute and think right about these things and write the TV.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know, when there isn't a backbone at the end,

Speaker 1 because Tony Khan thinks he knows everything about wrestling. He doesn't understand,

Speaker 1 as you've pointed out many, many times, what to do, when to do it, how to do it, why to do it.

Speaker 32 With who to do it.

Speaker 1 But he's seen it, so he does it.

Speaker 1 And then no one gets any further than they've been, and everyone feels like they're just floating in water.

Speaker 1 Another AEW dynamite. I'm getting sick of this show, I have to say.

Speaker 32 Well, and that's the thing is that there are no money matches. And there are because he picks,

Speaker 32 even if he wants to redo stuff he's been, that he's seen done in the past, he picks the wrong people to do it.

Speaker 32 In hindsight, what if, you know,

Speaker 32 a completely different actor played Rocky

Speaker 32 or whatever.

Speaker 32 Some things just work with a particular person. He can't pick talent and he can't pick the talent to listen to.

Speaker 32 because he's indie-minded. So he naturally gravitates to the kids that want to play wrestling instead of the guys that want to be major stars.
And so there's no money matches.

Speaker 32 You can't say for the world tag team title, I'd love to see this fucking goddamn angle come to a big conclusion because there ain't none.

Speaker 32 Say the world title, we haven't even seen the belt because of this

Speaker 32 lunatic

Speaker 32 fucking Moxley's.

Speaker 32 goddamn fantasies that he's got about this underground tough guy club that he's president of.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 32 the roster, there's some talent there, not as much as there used to be, but it's hidden by all the indie shit to where that it's just diluted. It's watered down.
Should we go

Speaker 32 up and down? We did this a few years ago when there actually was

Speaker 32 still some element of hope. It was before the WWE took off, events took off and the WWE pulled ahead.

Speaker 32 Should we go up and down the roster and see if there's 30 guys that we could keep in AEW that would make the backbone of a promotion if they were used right?

Speaker 1 It's been a long time. It's been probably four years or so since we've done that.
If we're going to do it for one, we have to do it for the other, I think.

Speaker 32 Well, I think we ought to do it for these people first because they may need help.

Speaker 1 You know, it's interesting. As you're saying this, I'm just thinking about like tag team division.
You got a star tag team with Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin with MVP.

Speaker 1 They've got no division to work with. Women's division.

Speaker 1 I think Megan Bain has shot out of a cannon as a star. She hasn't done very much, but just aura, presence, and size alone.
She looks like a star. In AEW, that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 When someone actually looks like a star, you got to run with that.

Speaker 32 Yes.

Speaker 32 And now, here's one thing. Does she have the personality or the experience on the microphone and the ability to fucking take it and run with it?

Speaker 32 Or does she need, is she one of these top attractions that needs a smaller, less cosmetically marketable, but more savvy veteran?

Speaker 32 Like, should a Bailey be alongside her? I'm not, you know.

Speaker 1 What she needs is someone to be in charge of a division that's actually going to be run well.

Speaker 32 Well, that would be another thing also.

Speaker 1 Kevin Knight, they signed him. And I told, you know, I said it right away.
He's really athletic. He got a great jump.
Looks good. Fans are into him.

Speaker 1 Seems to, he could do what everyone else is doing. And he looks a little bit more like a star.
So they've beaten him every single week.

Speaker 1 And that's incredible.

Speaker 32 And they spent a lot less money on him than they spent on Mercedes and on Osprey and on Osleepy.

Speaker 1 They paid Mercedes-Monet so much money, she has a team.

Speaker 1 She has an assistant assisting her with what?

Speaker 1 For how much a year? I mean, that's just stupid money for someone who doesn't generate it.

Speaker 32 I think, honestly, I think some of these

Speaker 32 positions are, and the importance of said positions are being exaggerated somewhat for the effect that she wants to give, which is that she's still trying to make people believe she's a star.

Speaker 32 She believes it.

Speaker 32 My team could be this girl that I went to high school with that hangs out with me because she gets to travel with me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hi.
It's very nice to meet you. I'm the publisher of Monet Mag.
Uh, perhaps you've heard of this.

Speaker 1 We're on Newsstands Nowhere.

Speaker 32 My name is Ethel Guccione.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's a good idea to review the roster because it's probably names we're not thinking of.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm okay with Darby.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying everyone has to be a big guy, but when every single person is just small and doesn't feel like a star, and the people that are wrestler-sized disappear for years at a time, seemingly,

Speaker 1 something needs to be evaluated. And again, we'll do WWE if we're going to do AEW down the road.

Speaker 32 Well, speaking of evaluating things, what are they evaluating over at the Arcadian Vanguard Network this week?

Speaker 1 Oh, another big week of shows. I wasn't prepared.
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Speaker 32 I am finding finding sound effects that your noise filter i think you got this new noise filter just so i couldn't shout you down with my longer effects

Speaker 32 all right speaking of shouting down before me you figured me out see no no denial there

Speaker 32 uh before we

Speaker 32 figure the rest of this out and get out of here Did anybody watch this television program that we just discussed this past week?

Speaker 1 That is a very interesting question.

Speaker 1 Before I answer that, Jim, let me just tell you, according to WrestleTicks, AEW Dynamite, Wednesday, May 7th, 2025, the Masonic Temple Theater, Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker 1 Tickets distributed 2,954.

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 32 well, I mean, it was...

Speaker 32 It was respectable in the theater, but it is off-putting now. We said they should run smaller buildings, but I guess there are no

Speaker 32 smaller arenas in most places. In a theater setting, it's disconcerting to see that big video screen just right behind the ring on the left-hand side and no seats, no distance, no ramp, no nothing.

Speaker 32 It's there. They come out of the wall.

Speaker 1 I thought about that during the women's match. I think when Anna Jay hit the ring and, you know, turned the pose to the camera.
I'm thinking. The fans just watched her walk out there.

Speaker 1 She acknowledged them and then she turns away from them to pose for the camera where there are no fans.

Speaker 1 It's just, it's bizarre. You know, it's bizarre when you're not just in a big empty arena when it's literally a theater where there's just cameras on one side.

Speaker 1 With that being said, I thought it looked cool. I actually like the look, especially the backstage stuff.
When all of a sudden you're doing your promos and like a

Speaker 1 wood paneling.

Speaker 32 Yeah, the wood paneling looked nice. And no, the theater, it looked like the Hammerstein ballroom

Speaker 32 look with the box seats and the very, so that looks nice. It's an old-fashioned theater.
It's just, it's disconcerting a little bit to see that giant video wall right next to the ring.

Speaker 1 Just for the record, the last time they were in Detroit,

Speaker 1 according to WrestleTicks here, the Little Caesars Arena for Dynamite, May 2023, 8,173.

Speaker 1 Woohoo.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 32 but they didn't make it this time.

Speaker 1 Obviously, that just means more people at home. Let's get to the ratings here.
Jim, AEW Dynamite on TBS, Wednesday, May 7th, 8 to 10.05 p.m.

Speaker 1 On average, watched by 629,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Is that not

Speaker 32 what it was last week?

Speaker 32 Why?

Speaker 1 It is last week was 629. It's exactly what it was last week.

Speaker 32 At this point,

Speaker 32 how is that? I guess coincidences happen.

Speaker 1 It says here, confirmed by WrestleNomics, the total viewership and key demo rating

Speaker 1 are the same as last week. And then in caps, this is not an error.

Speaker 1 Because that would be anyone's first thought.

Speaker 32 Well, we said that they are down to the people and pretty much are going to watch this no matter what they do. And then maybe that's, you know.

Speaker 32 That's it right now.

Speaker 1 Well, let's get to these ratings. And again, these were compiled by WrestleNomics, AEW Dynamite on TBS, May 7th, 2025.
Quarter one,

Speaker 1 8 to 8.15 p.m.

Speaker 1 The Adam Page, Will Ospreay, and Don Callis Live Promo Confrontation.

Speaker 1 714,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Okay, I'm going to say that is a little bit below

Speaker 32 possibly where they started last week, just off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 It's in the range. I don't know exactly what it was last week.
But we go to quarter two, 8:15 to 8:30 p.m.

Speaker 1 The Stokely Hathaway FTR Live promo,

Speaker 1 the Anna J. Harley Cameron backstage promo.

Speaker 1 I like both those women. That was ridiculous, that promo.
Oh,

Speaker 32 I didn't even mention it because all I was going to say was is the fakest, silliest, stupidest bunch of shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 And the start of Tony Storm versus Thunder Rosa versus Penelope Ford versus Anna J with picture and picture, 719,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Good lord.

Speaker 32 So apparently the amalgamation of Tits Incorporated

Speaker 32 got the sexually frustrated AEW audience to 5,000 more of them to join the

Speaker 32 jump on the party on the bandwagon. That's unusual.
When's the last time they picked up in their second quarter?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Last week, I think they were pretty respectable in the second quarter, but I don't remember if it was up.

Speaker 32 I don't think it was. Well, quarter three, maybe something else was up.
That's why.

Speaker 1 Quarter three,

Speaker 1 be professional, quarter three, 8:30, 8:45 p.m.

Speaker 32 Wait, you want me to charge for it? That's illegal.

Speaker 1 The continuation of the four-way match, the post-match,

Speaker 1 an ad break,

Speaker 1 and the Hurt Syndicate's confrontation with Top Flight and MJF's live angle,

Speaker 1 677,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Again, very respectable, only 23,42,000 down, the Hertz and MJF in that segment.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 what I'm seeing now is the

Speaker 32 last part of this show is going to suck donkey balls, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 We're going out to quarter four, 8.45 to 9 p.m.

Speaker 1 The Elite and Ricochet backstage.

Speaker 32 That's what's going to start it.

Speaker 1 An ad break.

Speaker 1 Nick Wayne versus Rhino.

Speaker 1 The post-match with the patriarchy.

Speaker 1 Roosh's backstage promo in a very nice staircase. And he was wearing a sweater.
The whole thing was very classy.

Speaker 1 662,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Okay,

Speaker 32 so the second hour of the program is going to fall in a fucking hole that reaches all the way to the core of the earth. They are still not down.

Speaker 32 This is the most consistent first hour in the history of the show,

Speaker 32 and they're still not down to what their average was. So, what the fuck happens?

Speaker 1 We go now to the big nine o'clock hour, Jim. Quarter five, nine to nine: 15 p.m.

Speaker 1 The start of Mark Briscoe, speedball Mike Bailey, and Swerve Strickland versus Ricochet and the Young Bucks with picture and picture

Speaker 1 631,000 viewers.

Speaker 32 Okay, it begins. They lost 31,000 at the top of the hour with their EVPs and some of their alleged major stars, but that's still, it's only 30,000.
It's this show.

Speaker 32 Nothing to worry about yet.

Speaker 1 All right, you forgot about Buck Syndrome. What's going on at a quarter six, 9.15 to 9.30 p.m.

Speaker 1 The continuation. of the six-man tag team match.
MJF and Will Ospreay backstage. An ad break.

Speaker 1 Jamie Hayter's 1976 backstage interview, Mercedes-Monet and Hayter's ramp angle, Will Nightingale and Chris Statlander's backstage angle,

Speaker 1 550,000 viewers. Oh,

Speaker 32 okay.

Speaker 32 The buck effect is

Speaker 32 81,000 people and 112,000 in the 30 minutes since they had appeared on the screen for the first time.

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 32 they're starting to leave in droves

Speaker 1 well we go now to quarter seven 9 30 to 9 45 p.m

Speaker 1 la facion ignoberale or whatever that is and kevin knight's live angle

Speaker 1 live angle what angle was that was it more than

Speaker 1 was there another

Speaker 32 remember they when they talk to each other that's an angle i missed i must have missed whoever i think they're talking about the the rush thing there with there was another yehoo wandering around oh see i missed that and then okada versus kevin knight with picture and picture oh my god the the champion of putting people to sleep

Speaker 32 the post-match with speedball mike bailey oh my god the champion of running people off and a don callis backstage promo oh my god the champion of please don't do this anymore 555 000 viewers they got 5 000 back what a combination people had to think what the fuck?

Speaker 32 This will never happen again. All this rotten television all at the same time.

Speaker 32 We go now. I'm not holding out a lot of hope for quarter eight, by the way.

Speaker 1 We're going now to quarter eight. We have a five-minute overrun, 9:45 to 10 p.m.
quarter eight. An ad break.

Speaker 1 The Hurts Syndicate's backstage promo and the start of Claudio versus Samoa Joe with Picture and Picture.

Speaker 1 540,000 viewers.

Speaker 1 Five-minute overrun. Continuation of the match and the post-match with Powerhouse Hobbs and Moxley.
583.

Speaker 32 Okay, now, again,

Speaker 32 the 43,000 for the five minutes, they're getting credit for Modern Families time there. That doesn't make any sense that people would tune in.
So just to see the climax of this thing.

Speaker 32 So actually, it wasn't bad as I thought.

Speaker 32 I thought to make the average, they'd have to get down to around the 500 mark, but they only lost 174,000 from the start of the program to the finish of regulation.

Speaker 32 I guess that ain't bad. It's the same people now.

Speaker 32 It's the same people, and even they

Speaker 32 get tired when you get to where there's 30 or 45 minutes left in this show, and they know they've seen everybody that they give a shit about.

Speaker 32 You know, it's time to beat the traffic in the living room.

Speaker 1 yeah i'll admit it i went to bed early i missed the main event

Speaker 32 well but so did uh

Speaker 32 well the thousands of people depending on where you want to start from but

Speaker 32 let's say we're going to do that next week we will look through

Speaker 32 the roster do they still advertise the people that work for this company They have something on their official website. Has anybody taken out a complaint? Don't tell people I work for you.

Speaker 1 They have something on their website, and we'll see if there's any other official source that can list the entirety of the roster.

Speaker 32 Well, in that case, then we will go through the entirety of that. But are you entirely done with the entirety of the numbers here?

Speaker 1 I am so hungry right now, I'm ready to go and eat something.

Speaker 32 Well, in that case, I'll tell you what, I could gnaw somebody's leg off right now myself. So, we're going to go and find something to eat, folks.
And until then,

Speaker 32 we see you on the drive-thru and next week on the experience. Thank you, fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.