Episode 561: Jim Reviews Survivor Series: WarGames

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Speaker 19 And we have survived the Survivor Series. We're going to have the full report here, plus

Speaker 19 a game of stadium, stadium, who's got to stadium, and all the usual shenanigans that go along with our program. And joining me.

Speaker 19 Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting lion, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr. Co-host to you.
He's a survivor with the eye of the tiger, the great Brian Last, everybody.

Speaker 2 Hello, aloha, Jim. Aloha, everyone out there, all the happy people out there in Radio Wonderland.
It's a pleasure to be here for another fun week of talking about all this.

Speaker 19 You're stealing my gimmick here today

Speaker 19 because I was going to tell you that this is one of those days where, you know, I try to have a professionally run program here and entertain the

Speaker 19 people, the cult of Cornet.

Speaker 19 And some days, you know, I just, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 19 I don't know if it's going to come together. I'm like, is this going to be good enough? Should we have something else to talk about?

Speaker 19 And I've, and I stress and I worry because I want to be professional. And other times I just say, well, fuck it.

Speaker 19 We just had a holiday. We're coming up on a couple more holidays.
It's colder than a banker's heart outside, and I just don't give a shit.

Speaker 19 And that's generally where our better programs come from. But maybe we'll break that string today.

Speaker 19 And yet yet you're already you're you're jumping ahead of me like you're just being frivolously

Speaker 19 jocular and you don't really

Speaker 19 you don't really seem to be applying yourself yet brian one of us has to give a shit here i already gave some music some upbeat that's what you call it that's what the world calls it

Speaker 2 maybe again we've all heard you sing so maybe your hearing isn't exactly there if you think you what you're doing what you're omitting is in any way uh

Speaker 19 You mean to tell me,

Speaker 19 do you say that anything I'm doing is Paul White?

Speaker 2 Paul White?

Speaker 19 Did you say Paul White or all right?

Speaker 2 I said, all right. I didn't say Paul White.

Speaker 19 Well, it sounded like, but I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 Well, answer the question.

Speaker 19 Well, I'm going to answer it right now.

Speaker 19 Because if you think that that

Speaker 19 noodling on the cadoodle that you do, that is certainly not in the way of a Liberace or an Elton John or

Speaker 19 Vince Russo or any of the great penises. I mean, pianists.
Yeah, I'm straight.

Speaker 19 Now, wait a minute. AC, you got to go there.
We were talking about their tickling of the ivories, not the taints. But if you think that that can compare

Speaker 19 to my

Speaker 19 singing,

Speaker 19 my tonal quality and my emotion that I bring to, and I'll sing it now,

Speaker 19 I did it my way.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to play quietly behind you.

Speaker 19 No, it wasn't quiet enough.

Speaker 19 Can you play far, far away? Do you know that one?

Speaker 2 I don't know that one. How does it go?

Speaker 19 It goes out the door and keeps going.

Speaker 19 All right, anyway, it's cold, and I've just realized I'm uncomfortable for one thing. I've just overclimped here today.

Speaker 19 Because I've just realized that I've got two pairs of pants on.

Speaker 19 And now I'm going to start getting sweaty and I've got a coat on over my sweatshirt that I'm wearing because 20-some degrees here in Louisville, Kentucky. We had two inches of snow over the weekend.

Speaker 19 The average high at this time of the year in Louisville, Kentucky is supposed to be 52 degrees. It didn't make it.

Speaker 19 And we had

Speaker 19 the snow and the cold wind.

Speaker 19 It's an ill wind blowing out there. And every time I got to take Harley out to do her Russo's,

Speaker 19 well, then I've got to put two pairs of pants on, and I got to put an extra coat on top of the coat that I'm wearing anyway.

Speaker 19 And I feel like the Michelin man, and then I forget to take shit off, and then I'm sweating when I get back in the house to get the heat on, or as you people in Jersey say, sweating.

Speaker 19 So I don't know what to do. What should I do, Brian?

Speaker 2 Nobody in Jersey says that except Chris Candido said it to you

Speaker 2 30 years ago. So we'll stop

Speaker 2 forgetting everyone else.

Speaker 19 That proves it's a New Jersey thing.

Speaker 19 See, I'm trying to get you to help me here. Help me.
And help me figure out how to keep track of the layers of my clothing I'm wearing. It's so cold.

Speaker 19 It's so cold. And we got two inches.
Louisville, Kentucky is like Buffalo, New York now. We got two inches.
They got four inches.

Speaker 19 Oh, wait, hold on. I ain't got my glasses on.
That's four feet that they got. Okay, never mind.

Speaker 2 Did they really get four feet?

Speaker 19 That's what I saw. Either they got it or they were going to get it.

Speaker 19 Up there, the lake effect snow in Cleveland and Buffalo.

Speaker 19 In wrestling, it's called the Pedro Martinez effect.

Speaker 2 That should be Daniel Garcia's finisher. He's from Buffalo, the lake effect.

Speaker 19 Actually, I think a lot of snow is the reason why Daniel Garcia's got his fucking spot right now.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe that could be his finish, the snow job.

Speaker 2 Thank you. you see

Speaker 2 ladies and gentlemen it all came back

Speaker 19 all right and and tony khan can offer his popsicle

Speaker 19 but uh don't say anything about tony khan's pop he gets mad about that oh now come on i wasn't talking about his his pop is not sick of what did you say his pop is sick of him his popsicle oh his popsicle i take it back along with the snow job and uh you did nothing wrong i take it back i did what

Speaker 19 you know what i did wrong probably? Was picking my broadcast partner a number of years ago.

Speaker 2 Oh, fuck. Come again, Alice.

Speaker 19 All right. Hey,

Speaker 19 go ask Alice

Speaker 19 when she's 10 feet wide. So

Speaker 19 I guess I should say now, the reason why I have nothing to talk about is because besides freezing my ass off when I take Harley Quinn outside in this brutally cold weather and the snow that is just whipping about,

Speaker 19 all I did, all I done did

Speaker 19 Thanksgiving weekend, I'll have you know, was sign

Speaker 19 merchandise for all the people that have been waiting patiently for their packages.

Speaker 19 I signed hundreds of items over the Thanksgiving weekend, and they have been handed off to the Featherbottoms by the time that you hear this and are soon to be entering the maelstream or the bloodstream or

Speaker 19 wherever they're going to go to get upstream to their location. And if you have ordered through December the 1st,

Speaker 19 by December the 4th, Hotchkiss Featherbottom had your shit and it's being processed now. And this is where I normally do a sales pitch for JimCornet.com and all the fine merchandise available there.

Speaker 19 But if you haven't ordered by now,

Speaker 19 God help you if you think you're going to get it by Christmas because I'm tired and there's a lot of things going on over here. And this is a process.
So jump in and maybe it'll be here by New Year's.

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Speaker 19 I want everybody to have a Merry Christmas. That's why

Speaker 19 I've been urging you, because of the time it takes to personally process each of your orders with love and care, to please shop early.

Speaker 19 And now it's not early. It's getting late.

Speaker 2 Hey, Jim, real quick before we move on, because it's

Speaker 2 on the topic of you, the person you, and your social media presence.

Speaker 19 Well, I love to talk about me, but enough of talking about me. Let's talk about you.
What do you think of me?

Speaker 2 Well, what I think is that we need to clarify something because as I mentioned on the previous show, I have a Blue Sky account for anyone that's on Blue Sky looking to access the Cornette clips the way they are on Twitter or Facebook or anywhere else.

Speaker 2 We're on Threads. We're on Blue Sky.
Look for Great Brian Last on Threads or The Great Brian Last on Blue Sky.

Speaker 19 But there's... And don't look for me on any goddamn thing.
As a matter of fact, look for me less often on the shit that I'm on right now.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the the point. There's a Jim Cornette imposter.
There's someone who's using your exact image and everything from the Twitter account.

Speaker 19 Is this Stephen P. Newable?

Speaker 2 Well, we'll see because Blue Sky is supposed to have some kind of way. And I know several people already reported it about imposter.
It'd be an imposter account.

Speaker 2 But whoever's on Blue Sky, if you think that's Jim Cornette, I assure you, it's not Jim Cornette.

Speaker 19 Well, the same thing happened when originally the reason I was on Twitter, or I am on Twitter, is because Stace said, well, you ought to be on Twitter. And this was 15 years ago or whatever.

Speaker 19 I think I had 65,000 followers before I'd actually figured out how to tweet myself. She would just, I would tell her in the car, tweet this for me or whatever.

Speaker 19 But when we set the thing up, the reason why I'm at

Speaker 19 the Jim Cornette is because she tried at Jim Cornette and somebody

Speaker 19 had that trying not being their own Jim Cornette, who's a baker of fine bakery products in Fresno, but trying to be me.

Speaker 19 And she,

Speaker 19 however, you contact the Twitter people back then, did it, they said, well, can you prove that,

Speaker 19 you know, he's the real Jim Cornette? She, well, this guy didn't have to prove he was the real Jim Cornet.

Speaker 19 How the fuck did that work? So we just the Jim Cornette because that says it more plainly anyway.

Speaker 19 But if anybody thinks I'm going to learn how to work another one of these goddamn things and spend time looking at that and blocking people.

Speaker 2 That's why on Blue Sky, I'm the great Brian Last as opposed to great Brian Last as I am on Twitter with the character limit because someone else took great Brian Last.

Speaker 19 Why do people want to impersonate people and be someone other than they are? Are they that unhappy with who they've turned out to be?

Speaker 2 I don't know. But I guess the point is, if you want your fix of Arcadian Vanguard and Jim Cornette clips, as well as my funny, stupid little comments, I'm on Blue Sky.
Jim Cornette's not.

Speaker 2 The official clips are coming from my account. Even if they're retweeted, and I don't think he'll be doing it anymore, he just got blocked.

Speaker 2 Even if they're retweeted by the fake Jim Cornette account, tell that account to go fuck himself.

Speaker 19 Well, no, why?

Speaker 19 Again,

Speaker 19 is this

Speaker 19 actionable? Can you just, can I just be,

Speaker 19 you know, I would say like, you know, some rock star like Mick Jagger, but I guess he's 82 years old. He's probably not getting as much pussy as he used to.

Speaker 19 Can I just be goddamn Justin Timberlake or somebody and just

Speaker 19 people will send me all kinds of pictures of themselves in compromising positions or something?

Speaker 2 I guarantee you Mick Jagger still gets more pussy than Justin Timberlake now.

Speaker 19 Well, I don't know who the young folks are

Speaker 19 mooning and lusting over these days, but you know what I'm saying? Why can you just be anybody and tell people? I guess, you know,

Speaker 19 I guess you can.

Speaker 2 Mick Jagger, every few years, Mick Jagger goes to like a foreign country and then all of a sudden, like a year later, it's like, oh, here's the new Brazilian baby he had nine months ago.

Speaker 2 Like, he's always finding someone who's like, oh my God, that's Mick Jagger. I've heard of him.

Speaker 19 Is he doing it now just to show off? Does he really want children at this point?

Speaker 2 I think if you're Mick Jagger, you can't say no.

Speaker 2 So if someone offers to be able to...

Speaker 19 It may kill his gimmick.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. So it's not like he has to pursue it, even though he may still do that.
He was notorious for that.

Speaker 2 But also, if someone's coming to offer it and you're 82 and they're 26, you may go, well, I have to say yes to this. I'm Mick Jagger.

Speaker 19 Well, then in that case, I'm glad I'm not Mick Jagger.

Speaker 19 Because most 26-year-olds these days, I wouldn't want to speak to to begin with.

Speaker 2 Well, that's not nice.

Speaker 19 Well, you know, the young people, they've gone out of their fucking minds. I realize that now, that I'm not one.

Speaker 19 Anyhow.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Should we talk about

Speaker 19 this is going to be a WWE-centric program because of the survivor series happened over the weekend. But we got to check in with our friends over in Conland

Speaker 19 because

Speaker 19 I feel bad for him, kind of, at this point, because

Speaker 19 they got to smoking the hopium. They got way

Speaker 19 too big for their britches, bit off more than they could chew, as Mama Cornette used to say.

Speaker 19 And they've adjusted

Speaker 19 their buildings down, as we talked about on the last show, you know, where they're running smaller arenas or the secondary building in a market, but something that they're,

Speaker 19 what they're drawing currently looks better in that building than it does in the 20,000 seaters.

Speaker 19 But they announced that stadium show in Australia. You knew where I was going with this.

Speaker 19 They announced that, what, last summer, right? We're going to do a stadium, our first stadium show in Australia.

Speaker 2 Did they announce it at all in or was it right before all-in?

Speaker 2 It was around the London stadium show, wasn't it?

Speaker 19 It is somewhere at that particular point in time. But how far,

Speaker 19 by the way, is

Speaker 19 Australia is a long way from anywhere, and I'm not disparaging our fans down under because we got got them down there, but they're not close to anything.

Speaker 19 How far is it if the fans in the UK, is that a leg up on America or is it just as

Speaker 19 far?

Speaker 2 What now?

Speaker 2 What did you ask?

Speaker 19 I'm asking you, is it just as far if the fans in the United Kingdom

Speaker 19 who have proven that they went to Wembley. They love the stadium atmosphere.
Is that just like a. It's still far.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 19 Is that for them like flying from New York to goddamn Miami? Or is that still a goddamn round-the-world thing?

Speaker 19 Is it like it is from the United States, which I understand from people who have done that? It's like 18 hours or more, depending on where you start out.

Speaker 2 It may be slightly less, but yeah, it's a big, long, day-long flight to the land down under.

Speaker 19 So the point is, they announced this thing,

Speaker 19 our first stadium show in Australia, and we pontificated on how many fucking places they got in Australia with a stadium. Turns out they have several, but that

Speaker 19 our Australian fans chimed in and said, well, you know, we know about AEW because we're kind of really dedicated wrestling fans, but it's not like their household names over here.

Speaker 19 And then they also

Speaker 19 announced the

Speaker 19 with at the same time they announced they were going to that building in Arlington, Texas, which seated like 1,500 people or whatever for that little residency.

Speaker 19 They also announced they were coming to the goddamn stadium in Texas. Going to be our first stadium show in Texas.

Speaker 19 Like there had been a petition from the yeah, right, like those Arlington shows, too.

Speaker 2 We've shown everyone we can get 1,200 people here every week. We're going to really go for it now.
Texas Stadium.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 So, and actually, it's not Texas Stadium anymore. Is it? They've got a new one now, like they do everywhere, but it's a stadium in fucking the Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 so, anyway, now we said last week, but maybe you can, do you know by this point what

Speaker 19 it's out there? I just haven't cared.

Speaker 19 What the arena is in Australia that is now taking the place of the stadium show in Australia. We announced on one of the programs last week, if you missed it, that they've, well,

Speaker 19 never mind. We're going to take this stadium show and we're going to put it indoors in a 13,000-seat building.

Speaker 19 Whatever the name of that building is.

Speaker 2 It's the Brisbane Entertainment Center.

Speaker 19 Is it Brisbane or Brisbane?

Speaker 2 I'm going to pronounce it Brisbane and hope for the best.

Speaker 19 Well, it's Birmingham. I know that much.
I've been there.

Speaker 2 The building opened in 1986 and the capacity is 13,500.

Speaker 19 Yes, so it's kind of like a LA Coliseum sports arena

Speaker 19 wrestle made the slaughter effect. We shouldn't blame him.
It was the Vince effect.

Speaker 2 This is going from Giant Stadium to the Nassau Coliseum.

Speaker 19 Well, that's what I was about to say with Texas, because now I heard that the stadium show,

Speaker 19 the first thing I had, and what's the name of the stadium now? Do we have that on the Google machine? Have you gone Gaga for Google yet?

Speaker 2 Hold on. We will have that momentarily.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 the first thing I heard was that the stadium in Dallas was going to be set up for 24,000 people.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 there's an indoor arena. I know at least one of them in Dallas, Fort Worth that seats 22,000.

Speaker 19 So a stadium for 24,000 people. But now,

Speaker 19 and Brian, maybe you can explain this to me.

Speaker 2 Global Eye Field.

Speaker 19 Globe Life Field.

Speaker 19 See, Texas Stadium sounded cooler than Globe Life Field.

Speaker 19 You get a fucking free life insurance policy if you buy the skybox.

Speaker 19 The pre-sale is ongoing for this event,

Speaker 19 and they have announced that they put 15,000 tickets on sale for the pre-sale.

Speaker 19 Is that all the

Speaker 19 that they're setting up for now, kind of? And then they're going to

Speaker 19 see how it goes, or what is the pre-sale from this?

Speaker 19 The set's kind of like the pre-show. If you're selling tickets to the goddamn event,

Speaker 19 then these are kind of on fucking sale.

Speaker 2 No, these are not on sale. These are pre-show ticket sales.
So these are, you're buying these before they're on. Wait a minute.

Speaker 19 These are only tickets for the pre-show.

Speaker 2 You got to buy another ticket to get it to the regular show. I meant pre-sale.
These are pre-sale.

Speaker 2 So basically, you can't buy these tickets unless you're one of the people allowed to buy them early for the pre-sale.

Speaker 19 Well, how do you get to be one of the people

Speaker 19 to be allowed to buy these tickets early?

Speaker 2 You have to have some time on your hands and want to get some tickets. I mean, there's no real, I don't think it's like.

Speaker 19 You don't have to pass a test. You don't have to win a lottery.
You don't have to get the golden ticket to get a ticket. You just, you just have to.
What do you have to do?

Speaker 2 I have here.

Speaker 2 As we are recording a couple hours ago, WrestleTix put up an update. They were, I guess, in the queue online, and there were 538 people ahead of him, or her, or whoever WrestleTicks is, them.

Speaker 19 Wait.

Speaker 19 So there were 538 people in line to get the first crack at tickets for a fucking stadium.

Speaker 2 And according to this, 15,198 currently available.

Speaker 19 Tickets, you're saying.

Speaker 2 And I'm looking at

Speaker 2 earlier.

Speaker 19 Does that indicate how many they started out with? Or is that, is this before the pre, the was this pre-pre-sale? Was this before the tickets went on sale? Before the tickets go on sale?

Speaker 2 And by the way, here's what Russell Ticks wrote. The general pre-sale begins December 2nd.
Tickets for all in Texas will go on sale to the public Monday, December 9th at 10 a.m. Central.

Speaker 19 Wait, but who's in the fucking public? If these people,

Speaker 19 okay, are these people that are in the pre-sale queue, as they say, across the pond, are they incarcerated somehow and they're not allowed to be part of the general population?

Speaker 19 They're members of the public.

Speaker 2 That's what you call the casual viewer, the public.

Speaker 19 But what

Speaker 19 you know, you call the casual viewer people that are watching something else. But what I'm still trying to get from you: how do you qualify to get involved in this

Speaker 19 highly sought-after demand? It's like Black Thursday, where they open the doors of Walmart.

Speaker 2 It says here the night before. It says here from WrestleTicks, and by the way, the current

Speaker 2 seating setup is for 24,171 tickets as of right now, excluding the VIP deck and the suites for anyone who wants to come and not sit amongst the public and get a suite and pay a lot of money to sit all alone up in that suite.

Speaker 19 Well, haven't we determined that a lot of times the suites in these buildings for AEW or a lot of other things are empty except for people who like corporations that just here, here's you work here or here, our clients take these.

Speaker 2 Well, apparently pre-sale

Speaker 2 went on sale today, but VIP pre-sale was on sale yesterday.

Speaker 19 Oh, God damn it.

Speaker 2 But I don't have any known research.

Speaker 19 Okay, what are the criteria for you to become a VIP pre-buyer?

Speaker 19 in order to be able to pre-buy before the regular hoi polloy can pre-buy, before the fucking regular general population can buy the pickings that's left over.

Speaker 2 And by the way, for anyone thinking of moseying on down to Texas for this big event, what's available right now is the entire floor, sections 5 through 24, sections 104 through 124, sections 209 to 226,

Speaker 2 and sections 316 to 321. So hack fast.

Speaker 19 Here's a question I'm going to ask you that'll keep you busy for a minute while I can pontificate.

Speaker 19 What is the seating capacity of this stadium if they were going to play a fucking ball game in it or baseball or football or whatever the what is the capacity of the entire stadium, not what it's set up for.

Speaker 19 And while I still

Speaker 19 do not understand

Speaker 19 how that if you are not

Speaker 19 qualifying or meeting some kind of criteria, such as you're on their direct mailing list or you're the winner of a lottery or you have whatever the fuck, or you've bought a ticket to see one of their shows here recently, or something

Speaker 19 that if that if you're it's a pre-sale and anybody can participate in it, then it's just the tickets going on goddamn sale.

Speaker 2 Jim, the stadium, and this is for baseball, is 40,300 capacity. But again, AEW is offering four seats, obviously, as anyone would nowadays.
That's not included in this number.

Speaker 19 How many seats you think you get on a baseball field if you try? I guess we should ask Gotch and Hackenschmidt.

Speaker 19 But so you know what the other problem is, they're setting it up for half a house,

Speaker 19 and the pre-sale had 538 people in line.

Speaker 2 And we'll see how long this goes before they have to move it to something smaller. Because here's the other thing:

Speaker 2 if you right now

Speaker 2 drank the Kool-Aid, if you loved everything AEW was offering you right now,

Speaker 2 what's the main event

Speaker 2 that you're sniffing for? That if they gave it to you next summer, it would be the biggest deal. There's nothing.
There's nothing on the horizon. There's just more of the same.

Speaker 2 There's nothing really big that's going to cause, you know, Hogan and Andre, people had to go see. And I know that's an extreme example.
It's maybe the most successful one ever.

Speaker 2 But what's there that's going to draw people

Speaker 2 from Texas to want to see AEW? And then what's going to cause AEW fans to fly in for this? The era of AEW fans flying in for every pay-per-view is long gone.

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, because

Speaker 19 there's been so many of them, and there's been so many more added. And

Speaker 19 I know people hate it when we point out that we've been consistent with saying something, but before this thing started, my comment was

Speaker 19 it's the world's biggest crowdfunding effort that has has ever been in terms of not that Tony needed the money and needed the people to buy the tickets, but in terms of they wanted to support it at the start and that all in and all out

Speaker 19 and all in too and the big shows and the special stuff. And what about when they're doing TV every week? I didn't know they were going to be doing TV twice a week.

Speaker 19 What about when they're doing four pay-per-views a year and it's been three years, whatever the fuck, at some point, how much money do people have?

Speaker 19 They can't continue to support a guy who they know has billions of dollars and is getting paid from the networks with their own money just because they hate the WWE and their mad advents, which that's all gone away.

Speaker 19 And now you see

Speaker 19 that it's settled down to,

Speaker 19 well, it hasn't settled down. It's still going down, but it is

Speaker 19 the hysteria of the new thing that was going to change the world, it's now off because it's not new and they ain't changed shit.

Speaker 19 So that's when you lose the people who were, oh, it'll be a great weekend, we'll go to Chicago, and it'll be a great weekend, we'll go to Las Vegas, and

Speaker 19 we don't want to go to Hershey. I mean, that's the thing.
It couldn't last forever. And they had to be interesting, and they're not interesting.
Yeah, not interesting.

Speaker 19 Well, it's interesting in a different way.

Speaker 2 And the elite versus the Moxley bunch is not going to draw a house.

Speaker 2 Especially not a stadium show.

Speaker 2 And then you ask yourself, why are you running that stadium when you could run a smaller building? And I mean, I know they have a deal with Arlington, but still, it's going to be embarrassing.

Speaker 2 And we've seen already with AEW, the law of diminishing returns for big shows, Arthur Ashe, and of course, London.

Speaker 19 Well, and the thing is, you mentioned, you know, what's the main event? I know a lot of people say, well, it's the brand. We want to see that.

Speaker 19 That was the thing with the first all-in, they just wanted to see it. It was a happening, as we said at the time.
It's historic, blah, blah, blah. But then it's like, well, yeah,

Speaker 19 the next time and then the next time don't take place.

Speaker 19 You need an attraction. And whether it was the Free Birds and Devon Ericss, or whether it was Austin and Rock, or whether it was, depending on the era, Fritz and Dory Funk Jr.

Speaker 19 ran stadium shows and sold more tickets that this one is set up for.

Speaker 19 But it has to be an attraction, and they haven't got one. And

Speaker 19 at the same time, and we'll talk about Survivor Series in a minute, but they did the small set gimmick because they said, fuck, we're just going to sell all these tickets.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 the company that can't put 5,000 5,000 people in most places is running stadiums, and this, the other company, is having to make their goddamn sets smaller to accommodate all the fucking people and cram them in.

Speaker 19 I think they ought to call a WWE and say, hey,

Speaker 19 you want to sublet

Speaker 19 a couple of these stadiums, guys?

Speaker 19 Like the idea that Terry Funk had with Jerry Jarrett.

Speaker 19 At one time, Terry Funk called Jerry Jarrett and said, in the territory days, when the biggest day of the year for the territories was Thanksgiving,

Speaker 19 Terry called Jerry and said,

Speaker 19 Jerry, let's fuck all of them.

Speaker 19 I'm not going to do the voice.

Speaker 19 Let's rent all the major arenas in all of the territory's home base and get them under contract so all the promoters will have to rent the buildings from us.

Speaker 19 And Jerry said, well, Terry, that's a great idea, but what about if they just say, Fuck it, we're going to stay home. We'll be on the hook to run all those fucking buildings.

Speaker 19 And Terry's, oh, never mind.

Speaker 19 Maybe, maybe they ought to call the WWE and say, hey, we got a stadium in Australia, low mileage, cool air, doesn't use a lot of oil. We can get it for you cheap.
And there was one in Texas. Boy.

Speaker 19 Take these off our hands.

Speaker 2 You know, the problem is, again, AEW's early success was unsustainable and the pandemic happened. So, whatever was going to,

Speaker 2 whatever momentum was there kind of got capped.

Speaker 2 But they're still in a position where they need to build interest in the brand and in the wrestlers. And it doesn't happen.
Instead, you keep getting these field of dream scenarios.

Speaker 2 You know, if you promote it, they will come, but they're not coming.

Speaker 2 And, you know, again, I hate to repeat ourselves, myself, however I put that.

Speaker 19 Well, I don't mind repeating myself. I do it often, but you do you.

Speaker 2 But it's never going to get any better. This is Tony Khan.

Speaker 2 This is the Tony Khan show, the good and the bad. This is the Tony Khan show.
So

Speaker 2 nothing's going to really ever logically be done in a logical way.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 19 but you know what? Right now, if you're on the AEW roster, if...

Speaker 19 If you just say, you know, Tony, I really think that creative doesn't work for me, bro.

Speaker 19 I'm going to go home for a little while and you can just, you know where to send my check and I'll get some ideas together.

Speaker 19 If you're one of those people, you're home, you got a lot of time on your hands and you realize that maybe long term, you need a new career,

Speaker 19 I think you need to go to shopify.com.

Speaker 19 Don't you, Brian? Wouldn't you send everybody that you know and trust and and respect and love and hope for the best? You'd send them to shopify.com, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 Why, certainly. In fact, I've sent myself there working on something that the listeners will hear about pretty soon, some fun, cool projects.

Speaker 19 Well, that's because we don't send people to anything that we don't go to, except everybody knows I don't go to anything, but you go to a lot of shit.

Speaker 19 That makes up for the both of us.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 19 If you've got some time on your hands and you want to make some money and you want to get away from being under the thumb of the man, the regime that's holding you down from your creative brilliance, such as the roster of AEW.

Speaker 19 Well, then you go to Shopify.com because they

Speaker 19 do selling better than any old body. They are the home of the number one checkout on the planet.

Speaker 19 They are the platform with which you can take your idea, your concepts, your products, your business, and you can multiply that thing like a bunch of horny rabbits all over the globe.

Speaker 19 And you will have people sending you money from

Speaker 19 Peoria to Pakistan and everywhere to the Isle of Man and all places in between

Speaker 19 until you have a malfunction at the junction. But right now, if you go to shopify.com slash JCE,

Speaker 19 what you're going to be able to do is get a $1 a month trial period that shows you that shop pay boosts conversions up to 50%.

Speaker 19 And if you've ever been in business, then you know that those conversions are the most important thing in converting things.

Speaker 19 And they're the home of the number one checkout on the planet, as I mentioned, because they make people check out your stuff.

Speaker 19 Right, Brian? Everybody's checking out your stuff as long as you're with Shopify.

Speaker 2 Well, when you know that you're purchasing something and it's a Shopify business, it's a Shopify store, you feel a sense of relief. You kind of know that it's on the money.

Speaker 2 And yeah, I certainly

Speaker 19 can go in the door

Speaker 19 either realistically in a brick and mortar place or metaphorically on the internet. You can go in with the thought that you're going to have a happy ending at that store.

Speaker 19 You're going to feel a sense of relief.

Speaker 19 You're going to be taken care of like you're a babe in arms and swaddled. And then you'll spend all your money and you'll have a wonderful time doing it.
And the person behind that Shopify store

Speaker 19 will be that much closer to retirement, kicking their feet up, living living a life of luxury until at some point the IRS closes in and realizes that you have falsified your tax records.

Speaker 19 And then it could be dark from that point on. But that's not Shopify's fault.
You're just a crook.

Speaker 19 So, right now, folks, upgrade your business and get the same type of checkout as all the major players you sign up for a $1 a month trial period at shopify.com/slash JCE,

Speaker 19 all lowercase.

Speaker 19 Again,

Speaker 19 shopify.com slash jce,

Speaker 19 and you will hear nothing but

Speaker 19 the cha-ching,

Speaker 19 cha-cha-cha-ching

Speaker 19 of sales, because people are going to send you money for a variety of things. You'll be able to sell everything in your house.
You can sell the wife, sell the kids, liquefy everything,

Speaker 19 move to Brazil, change your identity,

Speaker 19 all through Shopify.

Speaker 2 Open a business and sell your goods to the fine people out there with money to spend with Shopify one more time without any additional commentary. How do people access that gym?

Speaker 19 They just go to shopify.com slash JCE.

Speaker 19 Have you never wanted to sell everything and move to Brazil and change your identity?

Speaker 2 I'm pretty happy where I am.

Speaker 19 Well, most people are happy if you'll stay there. Hey, Shopify.

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Speaker 2 All right. Well, this is your show.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it certainly is. And we've got to just make mention of SmackDown

Speaker 19 from the day before the Survivor series, just because,

Speaker 19 I mean, I said

Speaker 19 about the raw last week. Are they just, are they cooling it off on purpose? Because that would be a business strategy.
They're so hot now.

Speaker 19 they don't need to be shooting angles incessantly or revealing any major things. They're coming up on the Netflix debut in a month, and I can see why they would be cool and raw.

Speaker 19 I mean, in the territory days, you did that not with your TV, because if your TV was hot shot, and you were probably on the brink of death anyway,

Speaker 19 but you would cool off the

Speaker 19 house show cards sometimes

Speaker 19 instead of

Speaker 19 if you knew that something

Speaker 19 wasn't really a great attraction, you're probably not going to do well that week, it's the fifth week of the month, whatever.

Speaker 19 Instead of trying to put a big card in and it still doesn't do well, and then you've spent a lot of money, you would cool things down for a week or so, start back at the first of the next month, and you would just have a smaller card.

Speaker 19 So, that was a principle

Speaker 19 that the territories did.

Speaker 19 I can understand why they're cooling Raw off

Speaker 19 to get ready for Netflix and Cena and

Speaker 19 whoever else, the ghost of Bronco Nagurski, whatever else they're going to pull out, right?

Speaker 19 But boy, they're cooling SmackDown off too, and it's got to stay there, doesn't it? SmackDown's still going to be on USA.

Speaker 2 I think you can cool things down towards the end of the year because everyone knows Royal Rumble's at the end of January, or I don't even know if it's February, but end of January typically.

Speaker 2 So they'll heat things back up. You got John Cena's retirement year.
I think right now

Speaker 2 you kind of have the luxury of winding things down for 2024 to get ready for a massive 2025.

Speaker 19 And I know a lot, you know, some of the talent may be listening going, God damn, it doesn't seem like we're fucking slacking off.

Speaker 19 I mean, they're still having a variety of people beat the shit out of each other.

Speaker 2 But there's a few days a week, so everyone can calm down if they think that.

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, well, but then there's the furniture aspect of it, you know, where now guys have to take plunges through a variety of fucking office furniture.

Speaker 19 But so I'm saying for some of the talent, they're still working, they're working hard. We're not talking about that as far as guys are going out there, hey, Rafi, pull my hair.
We're talking about

Speaker 19 the creative, the booking team, the

Speaker 19 powers that be are just like, you know, we can just fucking coast because fuck it.

Speaker 19 You know, as long as we hit X parameters when it comes to the the ratings or whatever. But boy, howdy, there wasn't a lot going on.
And I'm just

Speaker 19 the first 15 minutes of the show. This was November 29th, the day after Thanksgiving.
If people are listening to this,

Speaker 19 in the future, where our voices will live on

Speaker 19 like some kind of goddamn

Speaker 19 2001 Space Odyssey bullshit.

Speaker 19 But the first 15 minutes of the show was the two women's war games teams doing promos and getting in a sloppy fight.

Speaker 19 And that was kind of what they, and then they followed. The first match was Andre versus Nakamura.

Speaker 19 And so,

Speaker 19 oh, God, dear, with what we know now, but I won't spoil anything, but Nakamura beats Andre, who they've been kind of pushing, they've been using.

Speaker 19 But for whatever they see in Nakamura, God, he's hideous.

Speaker 19 And then L.A. Knight runs in to kick his ass, and he doesn't land a fucking blow before Nakamura spits some mist in his face and blinds him and just walks off on him.

Speaker 19 And we were 35 minutes into the show. LA Knight

Speaker 19 is,

Speaker 19 did he kick an old gypsy woman?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Anything else? Anything else you want to ask? If we did to get this punishment of a push? Let's go.

Speaker 19 I'm wondering if he went in and complained if they just said no.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know what? I mean, with Nakamura,

Speaker 2 you know, it's funny, he's been in WWE now for a bunch of years, and he worked a pretty hard style for New Japan. He was great there.

Speaker 2 And he's, I think, in better shape and better right now than Ishii and Okada, which is saying something.

Speaker 19 Well, now I'm not going to argue with that.

Speaker 2 But it's interesting because he came to America. Remember, he came early on before AEW, I think he was here with NXT.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, physically, he's not as broken down as the rest of those guys. He was the first one to leave New Japan.

Speaker 19 It's the

Speaker 19 state of him all around, the appearance of him.

Speaker 19 i can i can see him

Speaker 19 again

Speaker 19 sitting on a mountainside in a white robe with a bald head smoking a long pipe in a goddamn golden harvest kung fu movie well here's the other problem he's out there all in black it's got some eye paint on spitting the mist he's doing house of black better than they did

Speaker 2 because he actually hit with the mist remember malachi black every time he tried to do the black mist he

Speaker 19 hit nothing it was it should have been the fog. Like if it rolls in off the coast,

Speaker 19 but no, Nakamura, I will say this. Yes, he's more athletic in better shape.
It takes better bumps or more bumps or more legitimate bumps or just moves

Speaker 19 in a way that a wrestler might try to move much better than EG or Okody.

Speaker 19 Either one of them, they're completely broken down.

Speaker 19 But it's the same point. I just, I just,

Speaker 19 he just looks, he looks frail for that atmosphere over there where everybody looks

Speaker 19 somewhat legitimate.

Speaker 2 Well, they got him now in a big black baggy kind of outfit, so you don't know how frail he is or isn't.

Speaker 19 Well, he looks like some kind of fucking

Speaker 19 possibly the what, okay.

Speaker 2 He looks more like the son of Kabuki than Muda does.

Speaker 19 Well, have you seen Muda lately?

Speaker 2 He's bald.

Speaker 19 He's fancy, yeah,

Speaker 19 and he's fucking 60-something.

Speaker 2 WWE Hall of Famer, great Muda.

Speaker 19 But the point is,

Speaker 19 Nakamura, I just don't get it. And I don't think he looks that impressive for that field over there.
And here we are, and we've got him.

Speaker 2 Did you hear the latest about Koda Ibushi?

Speaker 19 I saw something on Twitter that people were trying to argue to whether he had a staph infection, a band-aid, or a giant pimple on his shoulder.

Speaker 2 Whatever it was, it didn't look like it should be something that someone should have rolling around on a canvas. Yes.

Speaker 2 Unlike WWE, I don't know if the promotion there was going to change the canvas in between every match, but I have an article here, and a couple people sent this to me.

Speaker 2 It's from Tokyo Sports, actually.

Speaker 2 Marvelous. Koda Ibushi in heated battle at...
Nagayo's 60th birthday festival. That's Chigisa Nagayo.

Speaker 2 It's not strange that that his injured right leg could end at any time.

Speaker 2 Now, this is translated, of course.

Speaker 2 Apparently. There's a few interesting key points.

Speaker 19 Partially, this is the partial translation, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 Once again, Kodabushi, who's signed to AEW, Koda Bushi, 42,

Speaker 2 affiliated with the USAEW,

Speaker 2 celebrated the memorial of the charismatic Chigisanagayo, 59, of the women's professional wrestling group Marvelous.

Speaker 19 Marvelous. You marvelous.

Speaker 2 He participated in Nagayo's 60th birthday festival at Carrick and Hall to celebrate.

Speaker 19 I just thought it just said she was 59.

Speaker 2 Maybe they, well, let me finish. To celebrate her 60th birthday on the eighth day of this month.

Speaker 2 He teamed up with Takumi Aroha and Leo Asaka to face Nagayo, Masato Tanaka, and Titus Alexander.

Speaker 19 Wait a minute. Hold hold back up now.

Speaker 19 Chikusa Nagayo is a 60-year-old woman wrestler.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she started when you started.

Speaker 19 And she's in a six-person tag match against three guys with two guys as partners.

Speaker 2 Well, one of them, I'm guessing, I don't know who Takumi Iroha is. Maybe that's the woman on the side with

Speaker 2 Koda and Leo Isaka. But after 10 minutes into the match, Ibushi finally faced Nagayo.

Speaker 2 And they glared at each other for a while.

Speaker 19 Yes, because one is a 60-year-old fucking woman and the other one has just had both of his feet amputated.

Speaker 2 While the two finally approached each other, they put their four heads together and engaged in back and forth chop battle.

Speaker 2 After that, Ibushi received a knee kick from Nagayo and was tightened up with an Achilles tendon hold,

Speaker 2 causing him to writhe in agony.

Speaker 2 Still, after 15 minutes, Ibushi hit Titus with a dragon suplex to gain the momentum and finally hit Titus with a kamagoyi for the three count.

Speaker 2 Is that a Ibushi said this?

Speaker 19 Wait a minute, the Kamagoyi, is that a blood instrument of some kind or what hit him with the fucking

Speaker 2 Billy Club? What? Ibushi Ibushi said that this was her second time competing in a woman's group.

Speaker 19 Wait a minute. Ibushi said this was her second

Speaker 2 translation. I'm guessing something is lost here in the translation.

Speaker 19 Yeah, apparently, you know, that's the problem. And people won't admit that the whole Japanese wrestling scene gets lost in the translation over here.

Speaker 2 Ibushi said this was her second time competing in a woman's group, the only time being the stardom Ryugo tournament in April 29, 2013, where Ayaka made her debut.

Speaker 2 When asked why she decided to participate again, I mean he, the translator,

Speaker 2 Ebushi said,

Speaker 19 no, no, take it the way you want.

Speaker 2 Here's a translated quote. AEW will be issuing visas again from next year, but I feel like the Japanese pro wrestling world is somehow declining, so I want to help lift it up.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm doing everything for free.

Speaker 19 Having a fucking match with a 60-year-old woman?

Speaker 2 That's why I'm doing everything for free this time.

Speaker 19 What?

Speaker 2 That's the reason, not because Tony's paying you. Wait a minute, no.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 no, no, no, no, no. I'll stop here.
Let you.

Speaker 19 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nobody can fuck Tony like that son of a thing.

Speaker 19 Nobody can fuck Tony like this guy.

Speaker 19 This guy signed a contract with AEW

Speaker 19 because he's best friends with

Speaker 19 Kenny Olivier.

Speaker 19 And so Tony signs him up for at the time it was requested, certainly it was a million dollars a year, one million dollars, but a lot of fucking money.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 when he's, Tony signs the guy, he promptly goes out and breaks or blows out the tendons and ligaments in or whatever he did, a variety of things, both of his fucking feet.

Speaker 2 On someone else's show, on someone else's show.

Speaker 19 On shows in Japan. And that's, and he never actually starts the official work for the official contract that he signed.

Speaker 19 And Tony has paid him to go have double ankle surgeries and recuperate or retuperate

Speaker 19 or vituperate. all this time.
And now he's telling people that he's going to work in Japan for free to help their business over there.

Speaker 19 And why not? Because this sucker in America is sending him more money than he'd make there to begin with. To do nothing.

Speaker 2 Tony Abushi wants to know if you're okay with him working a big retirement show, a big anniversary show. Well, who is it? Tenru retired a few years ago and Muda's not wrestling.
Chigisanagayo.

Speaker 2 Well, let me go back to the article here, Jim. He injured his right leg when he faced Marafuchi at Noah Ariyake on January 2nd this year.

Speaker 2 He was diagnosed with complex damage to the lateral ligaments of the right ankle, accompanied by a rupture of the right tibiofibular ligament.

Speaker 19 Ligament.

Speaker 2 Ligament!

Speaker 2 Although he returned to the ring at gleet.

Speaker 2 That's a promotion.

Speaker 2 He returned to the ring at gleet in July.

Speaker 19 That's a noise that they make when the refrigerator Jax gives them the bonsai drop. Gleet!

Speaker 2 Although he returned to to the ring at Gleet in July, I just can't hear that.

Speaker 2 He is not yet in perfect condition.

Speaker 19 Oh, you think?

Speaker 19 Because he's 40-something years old. 42.

Speaker 2 And just when you think marvelous is the worst name for a promotion, gleet.

Speaker 2 Here's a quote from Abushi to wrap this up.

Speaker 2 My legs are at their limit and it could end at any time.

Speaker 2 I wanted to keep going before I can't do it anymore.

Speaker 2 So I decided to compete today.

Speaker 2 I'm really at the limit,

Speaker 2 but I want to contribute to the world of professional wrestling before I end my career. So I'm currently appearing at various places.

Speaker 19 It's like coming to see somebody hit the wall. My fucking legs could break off and sting up my ass at any given point, people.
So get your tickets now.

Speaker 2 Will today be the day his legs fall off?

Speaker 2 Find out.

Speaker 19 Splayed out, flipping and flopping in the breeze. That's when you'll know that I

Speaker 19 know no mention of ending his career. We're the guys paid him the million dollars.

Speaker 2 The best way to get people to forget your legs about to fall off is have a big gaping wound on your back. You draw all these pictures I've seen.
How the fuck is he wrestling with that?

Speaker 2 That's what.

Speaker 19 Oh, god damn it.

Speaker 2 This guy may be the dumbest human being on the planet.

Speaker 19 And before we start talking about his goddamn dramatic situation with his amputated legs,

Speaker 19 you were talking about the giant carbuncle.

Speaker 19 No, there's pictures, still frames of him in his video where, again, some people said, oh, it was a band-aid that was flopping around on his back, but it looked...

Speaker 2 I've had a lot of band-aids in my life. I've never seen a band-aid that looked like that.

Speaker 19 It looked like some kind of giant. Imagine a zit

Speaker 19 that had reached the proportion of a fucking billiard ball.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the next new company over there, Pro Wrestling MRSA.

Speaker 19 But the thing is, if it was what it looked like, I can't see how that it wouldn't have just popped and

Speaker 19 because I think it'll put somebody's eye out. So I thought, or some kind of goddamn

Speaker 19 tumor or whatever the fuck, but you would thought, you would have thought that if it was as bad, and here's what I was going to say, under normal circumstances, with normal people,

Speaker 19 you would have thought that if it was as bad as what it looked like, that he would have been all taped up with a variety of that, because they tape their own shoulders up

Speaker 19 just to support the muscles. How about to cover up a disgusting, repugnant, gaping fucking wound of some description?

Speaker 19 That's what I was going to say, but he might might not be normal.

Speaker 2 What are you laughing at? Quote of the year is definitely my legs are at their limit and it can end at any time.

Speaker 19 Gleet.

Speaker 19 You know what?

Speaker 2 I've limited days left.

Speaker 19 They need to buy that company and book the whole thing to oppose Jey Uso.

Speaker 2 Yeet versus Gleet?

Speaker 19 Yeet versus Gleet, Yeet, Gleet, Yeet. They could have, go ahead and finish.

Speaker 2 You know, the idea, idea, I only have so many matches left in me, so I better go work this six-man match at Karakin Hall for gleet against Chigasa Nagayo.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 2 It's lucky he wasn't dump Matsumoto. That Mursa pimple would have.

Speaker 19 But anyway, were we talking about...

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 2 You were talking about you were reviewing Nakamura, and we talked about him compared to some of the other Japanese wrestlers that ended up here in America in the last few years with AEW.

Speaker 2 And again, Ibushi was built up, looked good in WWE for that cruiserweight tournament when he was still in shape,

Speaker 2 showed up again completely out of shape, and everything he did looked like shit after they built him up. And then every fan of his was like, oh, well, that was, you know, one-time jitters.

Speaker 2 He's never been in a cage before, whatever the fucking excuses were. And then every time you saw him after that, everything he did looked like someone in slow motion, nothing looked good.

Speaker 19 Remember when he and Kenny couldn't even hit their double backflip moonsault run to the turnbuckle thing? I put put that backwards, I guess, but who gives a shit?

Speaker 19 Where Kenny had already have landed on the guide, he's still trying to clear the top rope or

Speaker 19 over on the other side.

Speaker 2 And then he went back home to Japan to blew up both of his legs. Yes.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's incredible. It's just.

Speaker 19 He's the guy that did the grasshopper backward knee bend on Twitter a number of years ago.

Speaker 2 And now he's being paid to go work small indie shows and spread his staff infection wherever he can.

Speaker 19 Well,

Speaker 2 maybe he'll be on Texas Stadium.

Speaker 19 All the best to Chagusa.

Speaker 19 Hope you enjoy your retirement. She probably came back to it.
It's like, what the fuck has happened to the business?

Speaker 19 I'm going back to SmackDown for two things, and not Cody versus Carmelo Hayes.

Speaker 19 Carmelo Hayes fits AEW because he is a random interchangeable person

Speaker 19 on the smaller side.

Speaker 2 You know, how could I ever take him or Andrade seriously when they were in a best of seven that was won by L.A.

Speaker 2 Knight, who declared himself the winner after anyone who had anything invested in either one of these two guys was watching that. And then

Speaker 2 the guest referee announced himself the winner of the matches.

Speaker 19 Well, maybe that's the problem. It pissed everybody else off, too, but we'll get there.
But

Speaker 19 you saw the sit-down, right? You saw the sit-down, the confab, the

Speaker 19 meeting of the,

Speaker 19 you know, the minds that Paul Heyman put together between Roman Reigns and CM Punk on this episode of SmackDown. You saw this now, have you not?

Speaker 2 I did, in fact, see this.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 here's the thing.

Speaker 19 People are going to say, and the ominous music did not help the case. It was a detriment, I thought, to the talent.

Speaker 2 It was too loud. It was too over the top.
It was too much. It was unnecessary.

Speaker 19 But if you want to see the difference between people who can actually

Speaker 19 conceptualize something and then perform it,

Speaker 19 minus the ominous music.

Speaker 19 And people who see shit in their head and

Speaker 19 that's why they ain't in Hollywood. If this segment had been on AEW, we would be fucking roasting it because of the

Speaker 19 overly dramatic nature and the ominous music and the sit-down in the dark room.

Speaker 19 And the

Speaker 19 it was a movie scene.

Speaker 19 But the thing is,

Speaker 19 these are probably the three best fucking actors in the goddamn wrestling business. So

Speaker 19 for them, it works.

Speaker 19 If this had been on AEW television,

Speaker 19 it actually would have been better for us because it would have been fucking hilarious and we would have been laughing and taking the piss out of it because it would have been not ready for cable access.

Speaker 19 So for the sake of the program, they better be glad it was these three guys in it because could anybody else have pulled this off this way?

Speaker 2 I mean, I didn't like it, so I may not be the person to ask. I mean, they did fine, I guess, for their brand of acting.

Speaker 2 I I think Roman's a little over the top with his facial expressions before punk got there.

Speaker 2 But it was too much. To me, it was too corny.

Speaker 2 You know, you know, it's the same reason I didn't like that Roman-Cody Rhodes football field meeting. The idea is all right.

Speaker 2 Maybe if it was shot in a way that wasn't so produced, it would feel differently.

Speaker 2 The music was over the top. It felt like a scene.
It felt like Paul Heyman

Speaker 2 concocted a fucking scene. And, you you know, they were all fine, I guess, but I didn't like it.

Speaker 19 Directed by Quentin Hayman Tino.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't like it. I didn't like it personally.
Well,

Speaker 19 that's the thing. It was performed well.
It got the point across. It got the story across.
They are telling the story.

Speaker 19 And to be honest with you,

Speaker 19 I could see either one of these three guys doing this if this was a television show.

Speaker 19 But that's the thing is it was,

Speaker 19 again the ominous music. Whenever I hear, I think back to TNA and have flashbacks, maybe it's PTSD or whatever of those overly dramatic things they, or it's just the game show type of music.

Speaker 19 You know, they're thinking on who wants to be a millionaire, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom.

Speaker 19 And at least overly produced because

Speaker 19 they could have done this

Speaker 19 in a shoot where it seemed like they just goddamn sat down and did this, right?

Speaker 19 But with the

Speaker 19 lighting and the exact camera switches and the boom, doom, doom underneath, you know, I didn't think it was horrible. I didn't think it was death because of the people doing it.

Speaker 19 But I don't think they needed to, but

Speaker 19 again, like you said,

Speaker 19 Paul is possibly padding his resume because

Speaker 19 somebody's got to do a fucking remake of Psycho and who else but Paul?

Speaker 19 But the whole story, we haven't even told people what the story was. Basically,

Speaker 19 Punk was late and Roman was about to get pissed and leave when Punk walked in and sat down.

Speaker 19 And the story is what the story is. It makes sense and it's not that complicated.
Punk has showed up for Paul Heyman and he's doing a favor for Paul Heyman.

Speaker 19 And Roman says, I don't need your help. And then Punk says, I don't really want to give it to you.
I'm here for Paul Heyman.

Speaker 19 And Roman says, well, I don't like your tone. I don't like your attitude.
I don't like you. And I don't want to team with you.

Speaker 19 And then Paul

Speaker 19 leans in.

Speaker 19 and works his spellbinding magic as the voice of reason.

Speaker 19 If Roman, if we don't take Punk's help, it's over. And Punk, if you don't help, then you'll be next.

Speaker 19 And then Roman agrees one time, and so does Punk.

Speaker 19 And Punk

Speaker 19 reminds Paul that he'll be owed a favor. And Roman said, what do I owe you? You're not going to owe me anything.
Paul's going to owe me a favor.

Speaker 19 And then the one thing I did like was the idea of

Speaker 19 Roman asks Paul at the end, what's the favor and paul's hey let's get through war games we'll have plenty of time

Speaker 19 because now what favor does punk want that roman is going to be unhappy enough about that paul doesn't want to tell him

Speaker 19 this oh it's goddamn patent place it's it's edge of night it's the secret storm rocky 3

Speaker 19 No, that's over on the other channel.

Speaker 2 No, no. Rocky had to promise Apollo a favor, and he wouldn't tell him what it was.

Speaker 2 Apollo wouldn't tell him, and then finally, at the end, that's how the movie ends with them having a bout in an empty building.

Speaker 19 Well, I was just thinking of the other Rocky III that the plumber sees in his head.

Speaker 19 But anyway, so that's the it's it's again, it's it's a wonderful, dramatic, you know, Sopranos weekly television program here. What is going to be the next quirk and turn in the bloodline?

Speaker 19 But uh, in the meantime,

Speaker 19 we don't know.

Speaker 19 And otherwise, than a girls' triple threat match, you had Jey Uso against Jacob Fatu in the main event.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 I love Jacob Fatu's work, and I hate all guys having to stand there while Jey Uso's timing on his punches just kills the mood for me.

Speaker 19 Just, I'm.

Speaker 19 But anyway,

Speaker 19 Jacob ended up winning because that give them, give them, that give them, and a lot of people don't think it'd be like it is, but it do.

Speaker 19 That gave them the heel team, the outlaw bloodline, the advantage in the war games at Survivor Series.

Speaker 19 And all Jacob had to do was a super kick, a Samoan drop on the announced desk, an implant DDT, and a triple jump moonsault. One, two, three.

Speaker 19 But otherwise,

Speaker 19 that would be the SmackDown event that they broadcast for those particular two hours on the television network.

Speaker 19 And they're just coasting, and they don't have to do anything.

Speaker 19 I think they could come out there and just,

Speaker 19 you know, the guys could come out and do radio. They get like the, you see the

Speaker 19 where they would do the old radio shows in front of the studio audience. You've seen footage they would shoot that they still had the scripts in front of them.

Speaker 19 I think they ought to just come out and just read the fucking lines now. People will be enthralled.

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Speaker 2 Not by SmackDown. No, not this week.

Speaker 19 I didn't mean to rush through and not give everything its proper due, you know. No, I think you did.

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Speaker 2 I don't think that's how that works.

Speaker 19 Or that's not certainly a way that it's suggested uh that you should apply the uh application of the uh said of the earbuds to uh the ears canal well then but you see it says you can pair with two devices at once so i'm thinking if they're both playing is that if that would be one you have to but if you're pairing to two devices at once does that mean you play one in the left side and one in the right side you're playing the same song but they're coming in what if you get them reversed you're hearing the right channel and left ear i think it would be what if, like Uncle Droop, both of your ears are on the same side of your head?

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Speaker 2 He never got the steroids or the steroids.

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Speaker 2 Yeah, but it has to be down if it's

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Speaker 19 All righty, we got it. I'm telling you, I am just, I am so excited.
I'm like a kid at Christmas over talking about the Survivor series.

Speaker 2 You liked it that much.

Speaker 19 Well, I didn't say I liked it that much. I said I'm excited to talk about it.

Speaker 19 No, some things I did, and some things I liked. I liked like you like sometimes, Brian, like that, like ironically, like

Speaker 19 you see what I'm saying to you,

Speaker 19 like, yeah, like, yeah, man.

Speaker 19 No, uh,

Speaker 19 but here's the thing, overall on this show,

Speaker 19 the points that they wanted to make were made

Speaker 19 that people were not only into

Speaker 19 the

Speaker 19 stories, what's going on between these people, the interaction of these people,

Speaker 19 but they were sold out to the point where they had to, and we were just talking about this on a show last week that we did, one of these many shows,

Speaker 19 where

Speaker 19 when we were talking about AEW going to the smaller buildings, and they said, well, we didn't want to do that because our set is so big.

Speaker 19 I'm like, fuck, fuck the set if you're renting a 20,000-seat building and having 3,000 people in it, right?

Speaker 19 Get a smaller set. I said, the opposite problem

Speaker 19 was what the WWE had in

Speaker 19 several of those, one of the overseas pay-per-views I remember in several events where they literally downsized their set

Speaker 19 to

Speaker 19 a negligible size to sell more tickets because they were jamming the people in a fucking building.

Speaker 19 I got a bigger screen in my fucking TV room than they had at the entranceway in this show.

Speaker 19 And it's Survivor Series. It's one of the biggest pay-per-views they do.
But at the same point, they had 17,000,

Speaker 19 I don't know, 100 or 400, or

Speaker 19 almost 18,000 people in this fucking building and not a ticket to be had.

Speaker 19 And that's coming off that deal. And

Speaker 19 where was it in a not exactly a goddamn

Speaker 19 major metropolis? What at Salt Lake City or whatever? They did 13,000 people.

Speaker 19 And they said that they were even cutting down on giving tickets to the talent

Speaker 19 because they weren't able to get the people in some of these buildings. So

Speaker 19 isn't that worth it? The tiny, the teeny, tiny little one-bedroom entrance is where it all started, Brian.

Speaker 19 Which would you rather have? A big ass fucking stage where you can't see any fans because there are none,

Speaker 19 or a little teeny tiny entryway because you're sold out?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I've said it before. I'm not a big fan here in 2024 of the stages.
They had a time, and even then, I kind of never really liked the look, but it just became the thing of Raw.

Speaker 2 Nitro had their little stage. It became a big stage.

Speaker 2 TNA has had a stage. Even Ring of Honor had that rinky-dink little entranceway stage.
You know what I mean? Like, everyone had to have a stage.

Speaker 2 It always looked much cooler. Like the boxers used to come out, just come out and come out.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying you don't have to go through the fans anymore, even though I do like that better, but Moxley may have ruined that.

Speaker 19 Well, no, it's just going through the fans, even if it's the official entranceway,

Speaker 19 like the old days when there was a lot of people in the building and you didn't have much room. When it was dangerous, they did it.

Speaker 19 Now that nobody wants to fucking take a swing at any of these fucking guys, they're 20 feet away and held back by invisible sonic fucking force fields.

Speaker 2 You know, it almost looks like the entranceway to the classic Madison Square Garden. Yeah.
You know, it's just a little walkway and there's everything.

Speaker 2 There's, you know, it's a longer entranceway, but there's no unnecessary. The stage is unnecessary.
The big screen is unnecessary. And then that caused like lots of skits, endless skits.

Speaker 2 Unnecessary.

Speaker 19 I always wanted to go and buy a ticket to a live event and sit there in a seat and watch television.

Speaker 19 But anyway, it would have been preferable to the poor people that had to. I know why

Speaker 19 that you're a little sour on this show, and

Speaker 19 I liked certain things that I normally wouldn't like.

Speaker 19 And I've, I've, and I want to talk about those. I want to, I got a song I got to sing, and I'm going to sing it.

Speaker 19 But first, we got to get to my, I think, favorite part of the show, which you would have thought that I would have, you would have bet money I didn't watch the women's war games, right?

Speaker 2 I draft kings. That's right.

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, but see,

Speaker 19 there's where you're wrong, Brian. I'm one step ahead.
Wild card, bitches.

Speaker 19 Because I'm still

Speaker 19 the idea of a women's war games is ridiculous to me. If you had told Dusty Rhodes in 1987, we're going to take your greatest gimmick match and we're going to put 10 women in it.

Speaker 19 Right there, he would have wanted to shoot you, but then he's, and do it right before the men's match.

Speaker 19 He would have tried to run you down with his fucking

Speaker 19 pickup truck, baby.

Speaker 19 They have manufactured a reason to have these girls in this match with these rules just because, because they feel like, well, if we're having a men's war games, we got to have a women's war games, like a men's Royal Rumble, women's Royal Rumble, and a men's, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 19 Because

Speaker 19 the war games between the main event,

Speaker 19 the men's match works. It's Bloodline versus Bloodline with extra big star.

Speaker 19 It's not that they've manufactured a reason to put women in a war games match, which, as I mentioned before, is ridiculous to begin with because, goddamn it,

Speaker 19 yes, Liv Morgan may be a wonderful

Speaker 19 heel and a, you know, just a wonderful little actress, but if she's in the goddamn thing,

Speaker 19 it ain't that fucking dangerous.

Speaker 2 Oh, she's a whole lot more believable than the work of some of the other people in this. Well,

Speaker 19 we're going to get there, too.

Speaker 19 So the concept of having the women's war games, I believe, is ridiculous because it just diminishes the idea that this is the most violent, horrifying thing, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 19 It's also that there was no reason they manufactured

Speaker 19 to shoehorn this in because they had to. And

Speaker 19 when you know that they're going to have a girls match like the guys match every pay-per-view on all these, then when they start doing the angles for it, it's obviously phony.

Speaker 19 Because again,

Speaker 19 most of the time,

Speaker 19 the better angles and better drawing matches are ones where you don't just already know, oh, we got to have this kind of match.

Speaker 19 Let's find a reason for these guys to have it, that the stipulation fits the crime. But also.

Speaker 19 Now I've come up with another.

Speaker 19 We don't have to get mad at them having a women's war games match because it diminishes the men's war games and makes it look less dangerous or whatever, because we didn't have to worry about that.

Speaker 19 Because with this women's war games match, they established that women, men, children, donkeys, whatever, if it's war games, it must be phony.

Speaker 19 Because this was the phoniest thing that I've seen on at least WWE television

Speaker 19 in quite some time. And the worst

Speaker 19 work,

Speaker 19 I mean, there are a few individuals in this match, which we'll name in a second,

Speaker 19 that you want to see under normal circumstances. But God almighty,

Speaker 19 this was a mess to the point where it fascinated me, and I couldn't turn away from it. And I had to keep watching it.

Speaker 19 And I don't,

Speaker 19 I mean, I hate to hog the microphone on this one. I'll give you a chance to take a swing at this piñata.

Speaker 2 Well, it's a bad transition. She brought up hogs, but I was going to say, Nia Jax is the worst women's wrestler in a major position for a company in a very long time.

Speaker 2 She's bad at everything she does.

Speaker 2 She's bad at the basic stuff. She's bad at everything.

Speaker 2 Now, with that said,

Speaker 2 Naomi,

Speaker 2 who I've always liked because, you know, she glows. She just, she just lights up, and that lights you up.

Speaker 19 I think you've been lighting up if you like her.

Speaker 2 Well, what I was going to say is no matter how much she lights up your life,

Speaker 2 she also was pretty bad. I mean, even Bailey at times, I'm like, yeah, Bailey's good.
Bailey's stunk at this too.

Speaker 19 See, but you're saying no matter how much Naomi lights up your life, Debbie Boone was a better wrestler.

Speaker 2 You know, maybe. She was a better worker.

Speaker 2 I don't know, but

Speaker 2 there were, I mean, this match, that's why I didn't think you were going to watch. I thought you would have seen the opening few minutes.

Speaker 2 If you lasted until Naomi got in there, which was the third person in from the babyface side, she was in.

Speaker 2 I said, as soon as Naomi got in there, Jim said, then I fast-forwarded.

Speaker 19 Well, no,

Speaker 19 I must say that there were times where I was not paying close attention.

Speaker 19 to the trivialities in the middle, but I tried to view the high points because for

Speaker 19 for the folks who don't know, it was Bianca and Naomi and Bailey and Eo Sky and Rhea Ripley

Speaker 19 against the Refrigerator Jacks, Candy LaRue, Tiffany, Liv, and Rochelle Rochelle.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 Rhea Ripley looks like a movie star and a superstar.

Speaker 19 And her gimmick, not only her regular gimmick, but now with the broken orbital socket or whatever, she's got the mask, but she had a horror movie mask. She just looks great, right?

Speaker 19 We can't dispute that.

Speaker 19 But the rest of them,

Speaker 19 and I know Bianca in the right situation.

Speaker 19 Liv, we know she's a heat-getting heel, but goddamn, Candy LaRue in the war games. Did you see that? Need to say more.

Speaker 2 Did you see that moonsault she hit hit when Bailey was on the game?

Speaker 19 I didn't see one she hit.

Speaker 2 Okay, so you did see it.

Speaker 19 Maybe she did two of them, but no,

Speaker 2 she didn't hit it. And then on commentary right away, Corey Gray's like, oh, she hit it right on.
I'm like, what? What are you talking about?

Speaker 19 Yeah, and at the same time, Bailey rolled off three seconds afterwards to try to sell something. But no, we'll get there.

Speaker 19 But that's the thing. In the war games, Candy LaRue, she's not a high-level athlete.
She's not a great worker. She's not a great talker.
She doesn't have a great look or physique or striking size.

Speaker 19 She's just

Speaker 19 indie,

Speaker 19 bland, boring indie.

Speaker 19 And halftime, she looks like she's confused. The same as her husband, who they're the male and female representatives of bland, boring indie.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 I know they need a stooge because

Speaker 19 Jax is surrounding herself with Stooges, but in the fucking War Games.

Speaker 19 And like I said, Liv gets heat with me.

Speaker 19 But I can see how she gets heat with the fans too, because the angle with Dominic and the promos that she does.

Speaker 19 And I believe the promos, the whiny,

Speaker 19 you know, bitchy valley girl, whatever the fuck, more from Liv than from Tiffy.

Speaker 19 Because I think Tiffy just gets heat with me on the overacting of the whole whole gimmick. Just the

Speaker 19 it's not really, you can tell it's not really her. It's just she's blatantly trying to be an actress.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, she's really good at performing the fake Tiffany Stratton character with that fake talking style that does not appear real at all.

Speaker 19 No, Liv, you could almost think, boy, that

Speaker 19 she's certainly a fucking see you next Tuesday of epic proportions.

Speaker 19 See, I even didn't even make you edit that for YouTube.

Speaker 19 And, but anyway,

Speaker 19 I swear to God,

Speaker 19 when they started out with,

Speaker 19 who was it? Was it Fridge and Bailey?

Speaker 2 Yes, those are the first two. Yes.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 again, it's hard to do anything when you're trying to work with a fucking recliner.

Speaker 19 You know, there's only certain ways that gravity is going to make it fall over. And you just got to be along for the ride.

Speaker 19 But it really got going for me. And I said from the opening bell, but actually I was going to try to give it a minute.
But when Naomi came in, that's when the hits kept on coming, literally.

Speaker 19 Because

Speaker 2 to Naomi's face.

Speaker 19 Well, they had a deal that every time one of the girls entered, she would stop and get under the ring and pull something out and throw it in the cage. So now they've got

Speaker 19 after, you know, know, seven or eight girls, they've got all the chairs and a table and the garbage in the ring.

Speaker 19 But Naomi comes in with a kendo stick and a toilet seat.

Speaker 19 And then half the time, whatever they brought in, they would put down and somebody'd use it later.

Speaker 19 But she's wearing a birthday hat because,

Speaker 19 Brian, I know many of the fans might not have known this. It was her birthday.

Speaker 19 So she's going into into the they said it on commentary happy birthday so she's going into the cage for a 10-woman war where people are trying to mutilate each other

Speaker 19 wearing her hat from her birthday party with a toilet seat and a kendo stick

Speaker 19 and

Speaker 19 From this point, as soon as she steps in with this shit and Michael Cole called her Tiffany.

Speaker 19 That's right, Michael Cole calls her. Well, here's Tiffany's in.

Speaker 19 And then she takes a big swing and hits the fridge with the kendo stick in the

Speaker 19 side,

Speaker 19 and it bounced back and hit Naomi in her own fucking face and

Speaker 19 knocked her own birthday hat off.

Speaker 19 And I said, Oh, I got to watch some of this.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 so,

Speaker 19 I mean, it was like, bam, she hit Jackson the side and it bounced back and bam, just hit her right in the side of the fucking face. And the hat flies off.
And she sells it like she's stunned.

Speaker 19 Like, oh, shit. Because she was.
Yeah, because she was.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 she tries to get on the fridge, but the fridge comes back

Speaker 19 and gets Naomi down in the corner and is trying to put

Speaker 19 the toilet seat over Naomi's head, but she can't figure out how. She's trying to put it over her head without raising the lid because it's the toilet seat and the lid is still on it.
And there is...

Speaker 19 The fridge not being able to figure out the basic function of a two-piece toilet seat.

Speaker 19 And finally, she got it over Naomi's head.

Speaker 19 But then somehow within seconds, Naomi had come back and put the seat on her and rubbed her ass

Speaker 19 in the fridge's face over the top of the toilet seat.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 anytime you, you know.

Speaker 2 I always liked when Fez did that.

Speaker 19 I think it's one of those things that he learned from Strangler Lewis.

Speaker 19 And then, did you see the double backdrop where they almost all died?

Speaker 2 That's a way to put it, yeah.

Speaker 19 So,

Speaker 19 and again, I can, I understand what they were trying to go for.

Speaker 19 The fridge is a big young lady.

Speaker 19 So, if two of the girls double backdrop her, it's reasonable that they should be able to do that. It doesn't kill her aura as a big giant, but it's impressive to see her take that bump.

Speaker 19 Whatever, they had good intentions.

Speaker 19 But Naomi and Bayley try to double backdrop Jax.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 I would assume that Naomi and Bayley have probably not teamed up on a lot of double backdrops, but they were too far apart.

Speaker 19 Really, a good, until you get the hang of it, a good rule of thumb is lock arms with the girl you're standing next next to, whether left arm or right arm, like you're square dancing, but on the same side,

Speaker 19 because they were too far apart. And when the fridge came in to get her base, because she jumped into it and she was trying,

Speaker 19 but she needed two shoulder blades, one from each girl to put both hands on for the push-up, and they needed to stand straight up.

Speaker 19 But instead, because they were farther apart, she didn't have have both hands on both girls at the same time. I think she lost it on Naomi.

Speaker 19 And so they stood up under her middle and boosted her up anyway. But then she was headed straight down headfirst with gravity taking its toll.

Speaker 19 And she barely got her head tucked

Speaker 19 before she landed on it, while at the same time,

Speaker 19 the two girls who double backdropped her Bailey fell forward.

Speaker 19 And I don't mean like on purpose. I mean, no, she fell from pushing the weight.
She was off balance enough because she ended up with a lot of the weight on her

Speaker 19 because

Speaker 19 she slipped, Jack slipped off Naomi

Speaker 19 that she fell forward onto her face without being able to catch herself while at the same time Naomi took a bump backwards because since she stood straight up didn't hardly have a lot of the weight on her she lost her balance and fell back almost fell on

Speaker 19 jax's goddamn face

Speaker 19 so the whole thing looked like a monkey a football

Speaker 19 but it i've never in

Speaker 19 50 years 52 years whatever of watching wrestling ever seen

Speaker 19 That exact chain of events happen where two people gave another person a double backdrop. The person who was backdropped was almost hurt, and the persons who did it fell in different directions.

Speaker 19 Has never happened before in the history of wrestling.

Speaker 2 That's the great thing about the modern era. You're seeing things that you never saw before, expanding wrestling's horizons.

Speaker 19 They're certainly getting higher.

Speaker 2 What are you thinking if you're in the back by the monitor producing this?

Speaker 19 I don't know because we can talk about some of these high points, but just a lot of the regular

Speaker 19 work,

Speaker 19 if you can call it that, was off. Even the people, as you said earlier, that are normally kind of okay, it was, eh, there was a lot of sloppy shit.
They're also

Speaker 19 the girls, there's only been eight women's war games matches to begin with, so none of these girls had been in many,

Speaker 19 if any.

Speaker 19 But I mean, just still, just people not being able to punch each other in a convincing fashion or not being able to just

Speaker 19 arm drag or scoop slam smoothly without it.

Speaker 19 In some places, this really did look like a fucking real fight because it looked like people weren't on the same page.

Speaker 19 And that's what

Speaker 19 Candy LaRue was next in, and she pitches two chairs in, and the fridge gets the chair. And there comes what you were talking about earlier.
I have never seen

Speaker 19 it any professional wrestler of either gender,

Speaker 19 gender, genre, any size

Speaker 19 fake hit people with chairs like this. And she went to hit Naomi

Speaker 19 and Naomi put her hands up like she's going to block it, but Jax held up like she was scared all of a sudden, like, oh, I was going to hit her in the wrong place. And then she.

Speaker 19 fucking hit her with a fly tap one place and then it sounded like bam like she hit her on the point of her shoulder bone with another one, bam.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 every time she would use these chairs, it was like a senior citizen trying to swat a fly with a newspaper or something. Have you ever, what the fuck was going on? Why'd you why do it?

Speaker 2 Those looked really bad. Again, Nia Jax was really exposed in this match.
She was the first one in.

Speaker 2 She was exposed in this match, just how

Speaker 2 bad she is at some of the basics, including wielding objects.

Speaker 19 Right?

Speaker 2 I mean, that's that's

Speaker 2 man. I've seen, you know, Lance Storm I saw do that once at the ECW Arena against Rob Van Damme, and the crowd started groaning.

Speaker 2 And they didn't want to, but you couldn't avoid it because when they look that fake, that bad,

Speaker 2 it's bad, it's bad. And

Speaker 2 Nia Jax didn't know how to do chair shots.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah, it's bad, it's bad. Your chair shots, they suck.
Oh yeah, they're bad, they're bad. Come on, you kidding? Because they're bad.

Speaker 2 That's kind of in your key. I'm not going to complain about this.

Speaker 19 Okay, well, thank you, Brian.

Speaker 19 So then, when she still continued hitting people with the chair, now I sound like Mickey Mouse. Aha!

Speaker 2 It's not like Jim Cornette.

Speaker 19 Aha!

Speaker 19 Well, I gotta get you, fucks.

Speaker 2 Well, back to the Women's War games with a serious battle between

Speaker 19 for survival.

Speaker 2 Do you remember the war games when Tully Blanchard came in with his birthday hat on?

Speaker 19 No, he actually,

Speaker 19 I think a fan threw a cup of ice and knocked it off. He was about to.

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Speaker 19 But no, so by the way, when Candy had come in and got the two chairs and the fridge went on the spree of chair swats,

Speaker 19 Candy had lifted up the skirt of the ring and showed like five tables and other garbage toolboxes. And we saw the fire extinguisher.

Speaker 19 And they had so much stuff in so many different places that several of the girls would get lost

Speaker 19 trying to find what they were looking for. And it looks so stupid when they're being called in to help their team

Speaker 19 in this fight and

Speaker 19 they don't get in a goddamn cage. They start looking under the ring and then can't find shit and start looking in two or three different places.
Fuck, just come in here and help.

Speaker 19 The fuck.

Speaker 19 Anyway.

Speaker 19 That was when

Speaker 19 they set up a couple of chairs in the middle of the ring in a geometric formation. They've learned this.

Speaker 19 They studied astronomy and how the ancient Greeks used to line their chairs up in conformity with the astrological signs.

Speaker 19 And then they make Bailey lay on it for 10 minutes or so. And then Candy did her moon salt that you referred to earlier.

Speaker 19 And we're right over the fucking top of her. On the way by, she put her hands down on Bayley's stomach.

Speaker 19 But she clearly.

Speaker 19 It was like she did a handspring off the ropes with the handspring off Bayley and then landed on the other side of Bayley.

Speaker 19 I don't know how much more description I can give to the other fucking side of Bayley.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking that looked like it missed. And then on commentary, Kerger is like, she hit that perfectly or whatever he said.
And I'm like, what?

Speaker 19 Yeah, well, because her hands

Speaker 19 her hands were it was a flying double upside down mill moscarus vertical chop

Speaker 19 that's what it was is what it was but at least no none of bailey's weight or none of candy's weight

Speaker 19 landed on bayley but it so then

Speaker 19 bianca came in And the first thing she got was the garbage can, which I thought at this point was apropos, because not only just the

Speaker 19 people, Keystone cops, Gilligan's Island shit, hitting themselves in the face with things, but just the general, nobody can get on the same page. And then

Speaker 19 she also brought the fire extinguisher in, did Bianca, and then the table, and she went to look for other shit, and it had already taken forever.

Speaker 19 And then they just got the camera off of her for a while.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 she and the fridge, Bianca, again, being she, tried to get fancy with the spot with a chair. And

Speaker 19 what was Bianca was going to climb up and have the chair and gonna flip. And

Speaker 19 I don't know what the fuck they were doing. Did you see that exchange?

Speaker 2 I think I know what you're talking about. And I don't know what they were trying to do either.

Speaker 19 But yeah, it was, they got too fancy.

Speaker 19 Again, in the Kung Fu movie.

Speaker 19 that they saw in their minds when they were coming up with this horse shit. Oh, that'd be cool.

Speaker 19 And then then Tiffy came in with a trash can and a lid.

Speaker 19 So at least she's trying to be neat.

Speaker 19 And they did some more shit. And Eo Sky came in.
And this was where it, because by this time, I'd kind of tuned out on the horribleness and the awfulness, right?

Speaker 19 And I've kind of zoned off on making notes, but here come Eosky.

Speaker 19 And she ran all the way around the second ring to the exact place. Now, these other girls have been looking for shit and they can't find it.

Speaker 19 But the one purple trash can,

Speaker 19 it's a special purple trash can. She went all the way around and found that.

Speaker 19 And it had ropes attached to it so that she could hang it around her neck and climb to the top of the cage while carrying on her back the purple trash can.

Speaker 2 Smart.

Speaker 19 So she gets to the top of the cage, and Candy is up there trying to fight her.

Speaker 19 And so she leaves the trash can on top of the cage, and she gets in a fight with Candy, and they end up doing

Speaker 19 or try to do a spot

Speaker 19 where

Speaker 19 EO Sky is above Candy, and Candy is standing on the top rope. And what they did,

Speaker 19 it was going to be that eo sky was going to do the old sunset flip power bomb but eo's coming off the cage and candy's coming off the top rope and

Speaker 19 well eo

Speaker 19 came over her back and tried to do the sunset flip and and candy didn't go candy just held on to the goddamn

Speaker 19 cage standing on the top rope and when she and EO sky landed on her feet

Speaker 19 down below Candy and you can tell Candy looked back like, oh shit, she went already, and then it's too late. And EOS guy turns over and slaps fucking Candy on her ass.

Speaker 19 Like, you didn't fucking go.

Speaker 19 And so she just wasn't there when EO went to do the deal.

Speaker 19 So EO climbs back up

Speaker 19 and

Speaker 19 they do, she knocks her off some other kind of fucking way.

Speaker 19 But and she was, and EO sky was laughing, like, what the fuck? Did you forget to goddamn fall down?

Speaker 19 So then, Tiffy and EO did some cartwheels.

Speaker 19 And then Rochelle Rochelle came in. She'd come all the way from Minsk for this.

Speaker 19 And she put another table in the ring and then started looking for something else.

Speaker 19 And finally, I think she just got in. I don't know.

Speaker 19 And finally, Rhea Ripley Ripley was in next.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 they figured out a way to fumble this.

Speaker 19 I mean, again, if I had sat there and taken careful notes on the previous 10 minutes, I'm sure we could come up with some more examples. But this may be the most egregious.
What the fuck.

Speaker 19 They worked, and somehow they thought this was a good idea.

Speaker 19 They worked a deal where Jax and Rochelle, the two biggest women in the ring,

Speaker 19 were the only ones up when Rhea was supposed to come in and they would stand her off

Speaker 19 so that she couldn't come right in.

Speaker 19 And so then what she did was she grabs a table on the floor and is trying to slide it in. And

Speaker 19 I guess she was going to use it as a battering ram to push these people back.

Speaker 19 But then Rochelle, Rochelle grabs it and is trying to hold it. And they're going to try to do the teeter-totter spot.

Speaker 19 But, Brian, to get a teeter to totter,

Speaker 19 where does the

Speaker 19 tipping point have to be? The fulcrum or whatever it may be. But the tipping point

Speaker 19 on the teeter and the totter has to be in the middle in between teeter and totter, right?

Speaker 2 That's usually how a seesaw works, yeah.

Speaker 19 Well, they didn't see what I saw

Speaker 19 because the table was only like a foot in the ring, and she Rhea tried to do the thing where it bounces up into Rochelle's face, and she sold it anyway, but it didn't go anywhere.

Speaker 19 And then she just came on in, and the heels pummeled her.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 in another fucking ironic situation, hit Rhea Ripley with the toilet seat.

Speaker 19 So you've got one girl really in this match that is a money-drawing megastar.

Speaker 19 And she gets the pops and she has the great matches and she sells the merchandise and she just delivers performance after performance, injured or well or whatever.

Speaker 19 And when she gets in the ring for the war games,

Speaker 19 it's with a botched furniture spot, and then you shut her down and hit her in the head with a fucking toilet seat.

Speaker 19 No, because she should have been fucking

Speaker 19 running people from one side of that cage to the other till she got to goddamn,

Speaker 19 you know, somewhere or another, the numbers got to her.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 so by that point, I made the crowd was not happy at that point. The live audience, they're all 17,000,

Speaker 19 however many hundred.

Speaker 19 And then they did a big nine-way where everybody was doing everything. And not only is Bianca using

Speaker 19 her ponytail to whip people, but I think, did she have two ponytails? One of the other girls was using one?

Speaker 2 No, I think she was using Bianca's one ponytail also.

Speaker 19 God damn it. It was some of the most awkward bullshit I've ever seen outside of wrestling class and some of those.

Speaker 19 And then finally, everybody was down except Rhea Ripley, and now it's time for Liv to come in.

Speaker 19 And boy, you know what? It would have been great

Speaker 19 if they'd have just got Rhea Ripley in there and let her make a two-minute fucking comeback and then have everybody down.

Speaker 19 But then Rhea Rip, then Liv would come in. They'd be in the same place without some of the worst part of the fucking match.

Speaker 19 And she is scared shitless, is Liv. So she runs out of the arena

Speaker 19 and comes back in with a baseball bat.

Speaker 19 Because I was thinking at least Rhea is still up and live, and

Speaker 19 Rhea can rehabilitate herself in this thing.

Speaker 19 And then Rhea and Liv have the face-off, and Liv has the bat

Speaker 19 and swings, and Rhea ducks, and

Speaker 19 booted or whatever. Liv drops the bat.

Speaker 19 And then, before Rhea can get a hold of Liv,

Speaker 19 the fridge stops Rhea, and they get some fake heat.

Speaker 19 And then the heels held Rhea, and Liv hit her in the stomach with the baseball bat

Speaker 19 seven times in the gut and twice over the back.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 Brian, would you say that I'm a larger human being? And potentially in my younger days, about almost 20 years ago, I was probably stronger than Liv Morgan is, right?

Speaker 2 I think that's fair to say, yeah.

Speaker 19 Especially when I was carried around 240 pounds or so.

Speaker 2 You were larger and more than likely stronger, yes.

Speaker 19 And I've hit people in a working context, in a wrestling ring, in front of fans with a baseball bat, and it's been on video, and it didn't look too bad.

Speaker 19 And so, I have experience of wherein I speak when I say, That ain't a goddamn real baseball bat.

Speaker 19 And she managed to demonstrate that by hitting her, I don't care how much I love Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 19 And it wasn't like she was trying to use a real bat and pull these.

Speaker 19 They got a balsa wood bat, and she hit her seven times in the stomach.

Speaker 19 You would have broken all of somebody's ribs.

Speaker 19 There was no way.

Speaker 19 Then at that point, everybody in the match hit a move on everybody,

Speaker 19 and within a minute, Rhea was back up,

Speaker 19 and they were fucking going for false finishes.

Speaker 19 How can can you be in the wrestling business and hit somebody with a baseball bat

Speaker 19 and then draw back to hit them again and not think, well, this is the stupidest thing I've ever done.

Speaker 19 Because if the motherfucker is still alive after you've hit him the first time with a baseball bat,

Speaker 19 you need to run.

Speaker 19 And how fake is it if you're going to hit him twice and he's not going to goddamn be carried out on oxygen?

Speaker 19 But to hit somebody nine fucking times, what are they thinking?

Speaker 19 Is this supposed to be the professionally run organization?

Speaker 19 Or did that one just slip by somebody? Did they have a producer who said, okay,

Speaker 19 go ahead and hit the girl that's going to beat you in the finish

Speaker 19 over and over with a baseball bat? Nobody will think it's fake.

Speaker 19 Am I making too much of this?

Speaker 2 I mean, not really.

Speaker 2 It's a match where there's lots of stupid weapons being used non-stop. So maybe because of that, it didn't stand out as much to me.
But,

Speaker 2 I mean, you're right.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're right, but

Speaker 2 that's one of the things of wrestling.

Speaker 19 But anyway, they've

Speaker 19 Tiffy and EO then went back to the top of the corners of the cages,

Speaker 19 and it took forever because EO has to put her trash can on.

Speaker 19 And there.

Speaker 2 Phrasing you don't hear very often.

Speaker 19 You don't hear those words in that order often.

Speaker 19 But so Tiffy was just standing up there, obviously waiting for a synchronized spot where she and EO wearing the trash can

Speaker 19 would jump off together. And

Speaker 19 again, there was four girls waiting to catch one, four girls waiting to catch the other, and they had to fucking all

Speaker 19 stagger together, and as Jim Ross said, you know, coil up like quail

Speaker 19 and wait for this stupid shit. And then

Speaker 19 the one girl just tiffy dives off,

Speaker 19 just dives off, and the other idiot is wearing a fucking garbage can on her head and does a backfall.

Speaker 19 And I want to know:

Speaker 19 did they draw straws to see which

Speaker 19 ones was going to catch the fucking idiot in the garbage can?

Speaker 19 If you're 15 feet in the air and you're wearing a garbage can, Brian,

Speaker 19 and you fall off whatever you're standing on, as much as I love you as a friend and in a platonic way, I'm getting the fuck out of the way of you.

Speaker 19 Because that garbage can is going to bust me wide fucking open from asshole to appetite. I don't want any part of it.

Speaker 19 And I fast-forwarded there to the finish. It was another minute or so.

Speaker 2 So that was it. That's what got you to fast-forward?

Speaker 19 Yes, that was it.

Speaker 19 But there was only like two minutes left. And then

Speaker 19 the finish was Rhea Ripley giving Liv

Speaker 19 the riptide off the top rope through a fucking table one, two, three.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 at least it was the right finish, but good, good God,

Speaker 19 as DDP might say,

Speaker 19 what I've never seen

Speaker 19 if wrestling was arrested on a charge of fakery,

Speaker 19 then you just play this fucking match.

Speaker 19 And they would be convicted on all counts. And we were 40 minutes into the show by the time that

Speaker 19 that was, well, it was not 40 minutes into the show. That was 40 fucking minutes from

Speaker 2 asshole appetite.

Speaker 19 Asshold appetite. Yeah, your closing thoughts on that closing fucking contest.

Speaker 2 It's interesting that WWE let the two big heels for the men's and women's divisions take pinfalls in this match, almost like they think it doesn't really hurt anyone.

Speaker 2 The match was ridiculous. The women should have just been in a traditional Survivor Series match.
It would have gotten everything done. But instead, it was war games because the men have war games.

Speaker 2 But whenever you do something like this, it exposes the fact that there aren't a lot of elite female workers.

Speaker 2 And unfortunately, a lot of the times that just means working as good as most of the top men wrestlers.

Speaker 19 Rhea Ribbon. Besides that, did they have to make up for it by taking further shine off the men's match by making it comedy too with a toilet seat and

Speaker 19 a special color trash can and the fire extinguisher spot that we forgot?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 the kendo stick was colored like Naomi.

Speaker 19 Oh, yes, the glow-in-the-dark fluorescent kendo stick. Well,

Speaker 19 maybe that's maybe that's why that you know she hit her own self in the face with it. It was attracted to her.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's how fluorescents work. Is that how they work?

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, it's a it's you know, opposites attract, and

Speaker 19 DJ Hepcat will tell you that.

Speaker 2 No, that's not who it was, it was DJ Scatcat.

Speaker 19 Scat cat, hepcat. I didn't, I didn't think, I didn't think we could talk about scat on YouTube.

Speaker 2 This is your shot.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 19 no, you were making a point that I interrupted.

Speaker 2 You said you were something about you loving Scat. You wanted to sing something?

Speaker 19 No, no.

Speaker 19 I said opposites attract.

Speaker 2 You like Camp Callaway?

Speaker 19 Howdy, howdy, howdy, ho.

Speaker 2 He used to live in Point Lookout. That's right.
Howdy, hidey, hidey, hide.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I mean...

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This match is a good example of the problems with the women just doing what the men do just because they have to, because it has to be even Steven.

Speaker 2 There aren't a lot of women who seemingly could pull this off and have a. I mean, again, beyond the gimmicks, it was just bad working if you watched what was happening here.

Speaker 2 But it was also quite the spectacle, AEW style. But that was the opening match.

Speaker 19 Well, and that kind of got a taste in your mouth. But

Speaker 19 I was hoping the next one would be a little bit of a palette cleanser.

Speaker 19 And also because since I'd spent so much time and effort on that thing, and I was afraid this was going to go extraordinarily long,

Speaker 19 I decided the U.S. title match with LA Knight and Shaky Nakamura.

Speaker 19 I'll trade that one for the girls match. I'm not going to sit through girls and Nakamura, right?

Speaker 19 But.

Speaker 19 I didn't, little did I know this was going to be the shortest match on the show. And also, by the way, the bell rang for match number two an hour and eight minutes into the into the pay-per-view.

Speaker 2 Well, that's part of the story, the fact that every match has 15-minute gaps in between them.

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, and

Speaker 19 they do,

Speaker 19 you have to have some time. The history packages are important.
Or pre-match interviews, if that is the case, are important. A lot of times now.

Speaker 2 Commercials.

Speaker 19 You know, well, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 19 The important things in a pay-per-view or premium live event or whatever, the history package so you know why the match is taking place, comments from the participants. I can buy that.

Speaker 19 And every once in a while, you know, a plug for an upcoming event. But goddamn, we are beaten to death with

Speaker 19 sponsorships and commercials and products and services. And

Speaker 19 was it on this or was it on SmackDown? Cricket

Speaker 19 has a chair-shaped cell phone now. Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 I did see this. This was on the pay-per-view

Speaker 2 because I thought it was like just some kind of weird spoof commercial that wasn't funny, and then it was like, oh no, they're really seriously selling this shit.

Speaker 19 So, anyway.

Speaker 2 And by the way, it must have been in the works for a while because the commercial that they aired for it had Chad Gable and Otis together.

Speaker 2 Right? They've been broken up for months.

Speaker 19 I didn't even think about that. I was too busy shaking my head at a chair-shaped cell phone.

Speaker 19 But I guess, you know,

Speaker 19 if you now, if I fold my phone out at somebody in public, they'll think I mean business. I'm going to hit them with a folding phone.

Speaker 19 Because my phone still folds, you know, Brian.

Speaker 19 Normally, people kind of snicker if they see that if I'm out and about and have to make a phone call on the fly, not next to my...

Speaker 19 God-given landline in my own home, my castle.

Speaker 2 They're just going to think you're a drug dealer.

Speaker 19 Well, how would I be able to hide the drugs in a little bitty flip phone?

Speaker 2 Because that looks like a burner phone. That's what a burner phone is.
People usually use like flip phones and cheap. No, I've tried.

Speaker 19 This thing won't catch fire for anything. I've tried a hammer.
I've tried setting it on fire. Nothing works.
But anyway, LA Knight was wrestling Nakamura.

Speaker 19 And I swear to God, this didn't last 10 minutes. And they were fighting in between the rings that are set up together.
And they've got that little

Speaker 19 metal. I'm hoping it's lightweight aluminum.
I would, you know, hope they wouldn't put goddamn

Speaker 19 iron and steel in the middle of there. They're building a ramp of steel in the middle of the two rings.

Speaker 19 But they're fighting in between the two rings. And Shaky eye gouges him.
and gives him the scorpion death drop, right? That's what that backwards DDT thing is.

Speaker 19 People would know it by that name because Sting did it. Sting's over.

Speaker 19 And he did that on the steel Booma Booma Shackalaka

Speaker 19 and then rolled him in a ring and kicked him in the head one, two, three.

Speaker 19 And on fast forward, it looked like Shakey was in control of most of this thing. If I'd have known it was going to be that short,

Speaker 19 I might have actually watched it, but at the same time, what

Speaker 19 Shakey Nakamura, the new U.S. champion, beats LA Knight.

Speaker 19 The question now is:

Speaker 19 who

Speaker 19 has L.A. Knight personally offended and why is his name Triple H?

Speaker 19 What

Speaker 19 issue has

Speaker 19 there been some dalliance with young Stephanie?

Speaker 19 What could you

Speaker 19 dalliance with middle-aged Stephanie?

Speaker 19 What could you do

Speaker 19 as a person

Speaker 19 to make people so dislike you

Speaker 19 that they will

Speaker 19 you rehab yourself from being the chairman of a male modeling agency named Max Dupree to go back to your previous gimmick and get over with the people and they're cheering and they're chanting.

Speaker 19 And then you finally, you win the U.S. title and then you work with mid-card guys and get stuck working with nobody in the main events, and then get beat in 10 minutes by this fucking fellow.

Speaker 2 You can tell you're upset. You keep hitting the desk or something.

Speaker 19 I'm doing this with my hands here.

Speaker 2 Don't look at it as an emphasize. Don't look at it as a bad thing.

Speaker 19 What somebody doesn't like him on a personal level.

Speaker 2 Maybe this is a way of freshening him up because everything he has had no one to feud with.

Speaker 2 Maybe LA Knight,

Speaker 2 right now, with that going on, would be better chasing for the title than holding the title. What do you say to that?

Speaker 19 I think that a lot of people at this point are figuring, well, you know, hopefully if he goes ahead and chases for that title, when he gets back with it, he'll let me know.

Speaker 19 I mean, they've done nothing to

Speaker 19 present him as a

Speaker 19 smart. When he rolled in the ring and the guy just spit in his face, boom, ah, you're blind.
Ah, see there?

Speaker 19 And then he gets beat the next night.

Speaker 19 And he's worked with mid-card talent at best since then.

Speaker 19 And the thing, who was it? Logan Paul was the last

Speaker 19 major main event level guy that he's worked with that he won the belt from.

Speaker 19 And now you don't see his interviews as much or his promos. You don't see him in the main event of anything.

Speaker 19 And he gets beat by this fucking guy.

Speaker 19 I'm saying L.A. Knight has personally offended

Speaker 19 someone with three initials. It's got to be.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, that was the exciting L.A.
Knight Shinsuke Nakamura match. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2 Uh-oh.

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Speaker 19 possibly... Per possibly, yes.

Speaker 19 Possibly, like I said, for Triple H to be that maddest,

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Speaker 19 yeah.

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Speaker 2 Well, back to the survivor series.

Speaker 19 Oh, have we survived yet? No, we are now here to, here is one of the things. Remember, I said I liked some things more than I thought that I might.

Speaker 19 And here's one of the things that I liked more than I thought that I might. A triple threat match.

Speaker 19 For once,

Speaker 19 this kind of worked.

Speaker 19 Seamus and Ludwig Kaiser and Braun Breaker. for the Intercontinental title, and they've been doing the deals on TV each week where they've,

Speaker 19 you know inserted themselves in the other's business

Speaker 19 and normally I prefer singles matches and I love to see Braun Breaker work with either one of these guys

Speaker 19 but at the same time

Speaker 19 this worked it

Speaker 19 at the start it kind of sort of looked the same for the first few minutes they were going 100 miles an hour and they were kind of rushing

Speaker 19 and had to get the chairs in there quick

Speaker 19 But then it started being more about the guys that were in this rather than the stunts they were getting.

Speaker 19 They were doing each other's trademark shit rather than just going for stunts and

Speaker 19 objects and furniture.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 you've got Sheamus as a babyface.

Speaker 19 Ludwig Kaiser obviously is a heel.

Speaker 19 Braun Breaker is a heel, but he's the kind of heel they're already liking. They're already barking for.

Speaker 19 He's the kind of guy that in this match, because there is an issue, an existing issue with both these guys,

Speaker 19 the other heel did for getting in his fucking way.

Speaker 19 He doesn't have to

Speaker 19 change or alter

Speaker 19 anything that he does as the normal heel he is

Speaker 19 to, in certain situations, have the people cheering for him. It's not fake, it's just happening.
Does that make sense to you?

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 19 It's hard to explain to people without

Speaker 19 sitting down with a video and a pointer and being able to rewind and everything. But

Speaker 19 he's, and he's so good. I think he's my favorite wrestler now

Speaker 19 because he's so good at everything at this stage of the game. He's so progressed

Speaker 19 so far.

Speaker 19 Not only with, you know, the physical attributes, but the way he thinks, the way he reacts, the facial expressions, the way that he knows how to

Speaker 19 sometimes extricate himself out of something. It's just, it's he's ahead of his time.

Speaker 19 But also,

Speaker 19 because again, he can do the same shit. It depends on who he's working with as to who,

Speaker 19 as to whether they're cheering or booing what he's doing, and

Speaker 19 he's going to be huge money.

Speaker 19 Chisel that in some kind of

Speaker 19 stone and hold me to it in three or four years, and

Speaker 19 you can kiss my ass when it comes true.

Speaker 19 And like I said, when they're doing their shit, they're not just doing stunts.

Speaker 19 Braun does the thing where he leaps off the apron and clotheslines a guy over the announce desk. Well, this was a three-way, so he clotheslined both of them.

Speaker 19 And they all three went over the fucking desk.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 Shama started making a big comeback on the floor, and the fans loved that. And they were chanting, this is awesome.

Speaker 19 And Kaiser, I think, works harder than anybody, especially with his facial expressions and just that

Speaker 19 stick up his ass posture. He's got is you know,

Speaker 19 and Braun hits the Brekensteiner,

Speaker 19 and then you know, he runs into a chair that's been put in the corner, and Sheamus hits the kick, and they think he's got it, but Kaiser pulls the referee out to the floor.

Speaker 19 And then Kaiser wears

Speaker 19 Sheamus out with a Shalali, wears Seamus out with a Shillale. Good lord.

Speaker 19 And Seamus comes back with a knee lift and gets a two count. And again, you know, more, this is awesome.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 they were doing each other's stuff and everybody stayed true to form.

Speaker 19 And nobody was.

Speaker 19 It was entertaining enough that I wasn't sitting there going, well, where's the other fucking guy? Disappeared for 10 minutes.

Speaker 19 Because they kept it moving and they didn't just have those obvious bullshit spots like in most of these. So anyway, finally,

Speaker 19 Kaiser hit his finish on Seamus, but Braun hit a spear on Kaiser and then hit a spear on Sheamus in one, two, three.

Speaker 19 And he wins and he retains.

Speaker 19 And I mean,

Speaker 19 again, knock on wood

Speaker 19 that he stays injury-free. And

Speaker 19 this guy's the future of the fucking business.

Speaker 19 Your thoughts?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I thought it was all right, but hopefully, this is the last time we see him in there with Seamus or Ludwig for a very long while because it feels like these guys have all been together for a bit.

Speaker 19 Well, that's why I'm hoping this is like the old days, and some of these are blow-offs. You know, on the big show, you get the resolution.
Braun won, moving on.

Speaker 19 But, you know, but again, I just

Speaker 19 take pleasure in watching Braun Breaker just move around the ring because it's so unusual that anybody is that good these days.

Speaker 19 Does that make me

Speaker 19 sound sad?

Speaker 19 I have misty memories of long days of yore when people were actually good at this shit.

Speaker 2 Well, there's still more of this show. Maybe you like some more of this show.
Oh, so moving along in English, yeah.

Speaker 19 Is what you're saying. Well, we're at the world title match.

Speaker 19 Gunther, but Damian Priest.

Speaker 19 that's that's where we're at for the world title and gunther

Speaker 19 is my co-favorite wrestler

Speaker 19 because he he and brawn breaker you can always count on

Speaker 19 to do the shit that they should do

Speaker 19 and that's another rare quality these days i noticed at this point the the ring announcer now that sam irvin

Speaker 19 old senator sam irvin now that she's gone

Speaker 19 Alicia Taylor, does she always have hair that looks like that?

Speaker 19 Did you see that hair?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's kind of her thing. She's a big Don King fan.

Speaker 19 The fuck, it looked like she'd been, you know, fried at Old Sparky.

Speaker 19 And they asked for well done.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 she ain't getting it like Samantha was for me. With that Draino-gargling thing.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you, that guy I saw at the Jake Paul Tyson fight, Big Moe,

Speaker 2 he'll be taller than all the wrestlers.

Speaker 2 It was so different. Everyone's kind of doing the same kind of thing now.
It was more old school, but it worked.

Speaker 19 What about if he just sat down and did it? Ain't a law they got to stand up?

Speaker 2 What if he stands on the floor, but the wrestlers are in the ring?

Speaker 19 There you go.

Speaker 19 That's the way I actually I did fill in at the last minute the first time I did announcing at Louisville Gardens when I was 17 or whatever I was 16. Maybe I was scared shitless.

Speaker 19 I just stayed in the corner because I was ringing the bell too.

Speaker 2 You didn't get in the ring?

Speaker 19 Fuck no. That's weird.

Speaker 19 I was standing and I was standing at ringside. Well, I had one hand on the bell, the other hand on the microphone.
And,

Speaker 19 you know, I just be over here. I mean, there were 5,000 people there.
I was like, let me get in the fucking ring.

Speaker 19 Anyhow.

Speaker 19 So Gunther is smart, and that's no secret. Be different, don't rush, and wrestling is your product.

Speaker 19 What they say on the marquee is wrestling.

Speaker 19 And that's, you know, he was obviously leading this. And

Speaker 19 we've talked about how Priest needs a higher gear, needs to,

Speaker 19 you know, crank it up in these big moments or whatever. This was one of the better matches that Priest is going to have with anybody, I would think.

Speaker 19 This probably

Speaker 19 helped him. It didn't hurt him, certainly.

Speaker 19 I don't know whether it's going to get him all the way there, but it's at the same time. I'm still,

Speaker 19 I'm not only looking at it, but I'm sensing that the fans are looking at

Speaker 19 here is the kind of the same thing I'm looking at. Here is

Speaker 19 one of the best wrestlers in the world really trying to make Damian Priest look good.

Speaker 19 Does that make any sense to you?

Speaker 2 It makes sense.

Speaker 19 I did.

Speaker 19 He did do some of the things we said. He did go to a higher gear priest.
This was very

Speaker 19 serious, and they worked it, and they told a story.

Speaker 19 But I think the thing is,

Speaker 19 it's just natural.

Speaker 19 It was that way with Ric Flair. It was that way with Dusty Rhodes.
It was that way with Jerry Lawler. It was that way with...

Speaker 19 the top guy in any territory, really at any point in the territory, the very top guy.

Speaker 19 Whoever he was working with, unless it was someone else of that status, you were looking at him regardless of what was going on.

Speaker 19 And I'm drawn to Gunther.

Speaker 19 I'm drawn to me, keeping this thing kind of

Speaker 19 on track, you know, in gear,

Speaker 19 the one that has the body language, the one that, you know.

Speaker 19 But when Priest would get his chance to fire up or make a comeback, his chops and his forearms had some fire and steam to them more than normal.

Speaker 19 And again, you got to have a good heel that says, Come on, come on, come on

Speaker 19 in that accent like that, come on, come on.

Speaker 19 But they worked the deal that Priest had a bad shoulder.

Speaker 19 And as a matter of fact, they worked it so good that at one point, Priest hit Gunther with a shoulder tackle and sold the shoulder, right?

Speaker 19 And you can see the referee come up to him like, are you okay? And he had to look at the referee and he broke his expression for a minute and he put his hand out. He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 19 But anyway,

Speaker 19 you know, Gunther stayed on him. He's very aggressive.
Priest had to fight back. Gunther kept trying to go for the sleepers, the power bombs.

Speaker 19 And finally, Priest hit that Rana off the top and finally hit the razor's edge. He got the two count.

Speaker 19 But then he couldn't choke slam him because of the bad shoulder.

Speaker 19 And by this point, they had worked it where when Gunther grabbed the double wrist lock and Priest was trying to fight out and fight out and got the ropes,

Speaker 19 there was a big pop for the rope break.

Speaker 19 But they also, they had, if you heard it, there were dueling chants. Let's go, Gunther, Damian Priest, or however, Gunther, Priest, whatever they were fucking doing.

Speaker 19 Because people like Gunther, because he's one of those guys you can tell he's fucking good.

Speaker 2 Also, the more he talks, I think he's going to get over, he's going to get those kind of reactions because he's a smartass. Yeah.
And that resonates.

Speaker 19 Especially with certain people, apparently. They're

Speaker 19 Mr. Alec.

Speaker 19 So anyway, Gunther goes for the superplex. Priest blocks him.
Gunther falls into the ring and priest falls to the floor and sells the arm and the crowd chants. You fucked up.

Speaker 19 And the referee went to Gunther, who was in the ring, and here came Finn Balor

Speaker 19 and did a double stomp on Priest off of the stairs onto the floor.

Speaker 19 And then Gunther came out and gave Finn the big boot and rolled Priest in

Speaker 19 and hit him with the power bomb and put the sleeper on. And referee called for the bell.
Priest was out.

Speaker 19 I know they're trying to give Priest an out there, but they were kind of blatant. Oh, by the way, here's Finn Balor.
Boom.

Speaker 19 And then the referee sees Gunther.

Speaker 19 That's what I've said. The referee turns around and doesn't see

Speaker 19 Priest laying there where he was before he turned his back.

Speaker 19 The referee turns around and sees Priest laying there, but Fed Balor standing over him. Gunther's giving him the boot.

Speaker 19 So if the heel wants to come out and interfere, okay, that's fine. You're giving a guy an out,

Speaker 19 but then get out of the, the heel doesn't need to kick the other heel out of ringside because he's not affiliated.

Speaker 19 Gunther may not have wanted the help, but don't let the referee see the other guy is more important to me. Anyway, nevertheless, Gunther triumphs.
Priest did a pretty good job.

Speaker 19 Not a bad fucking match.

Speaker 19 That was my evaluation of the whole thing.

Speaker 19 Now pick it apart.

Speaker 2 There's nothing to really pick apart. It was fine.
Damian Priest needs something else for a while, and they got to finish whatever they're doing. Him and Finn Bauer.

Speaker 2 I guess maybe they're on the road to finally doing that.

Speaker 2 But I didn't think he was going to win. He's been lacking fire.

Speaker 2 Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 What's next for Gunther? I guess that's the bigger question. Because they're talking about on commentary that the Cody loss affected him.

Speaker 19 Well,

Speaker 19 hopefully that will be dropped fairly quickly. And it'll just have been a,

Speaker 19 I don't know, a kind of a

Speaker 19 just a kind of a weakness to show for this match. So people maybe gave Damian Priest a little bit more chance at it.
But now that that's over, he doesn't need a weakness or whatever.

Speaker 19 I'm still, we got fucked out of Gunther and Brock Lesnar, and I want to see that match worse than

Speaker 19 I want to cure my goddamn hemorrhoids.

Speaker 19 Anyway, it's time for the main event. Brian, are you ready for it? Are you ready, Brian? Are you ready? I said,

Speaker 19 are you ready?

Speaker 2 Well, what got into you today? I didn't know you were going to like this pay-per-view so much. Yes, I am ready to talk about

Speaker 2 War War Games main event: men versus men.

Speaker 2 War games.

Speaker 19 Men versus men. I just told you I wasn't going to take anything much seriously today, and I think I've accomplished that.

Speaker 19 And this is back when

Speaker 19 men were men and the sheep were scared back in the original days of the war games.

Speaker 19 The old bloodline, the new bloodline, plus others, Solo, Tama Tonga, Tonga Loa,

Speaker 19 Jacob Fatu, and their guest star, Bronson Reed against Roman Reigns, Jay and Jimmy Uso, Sammy Zane,

Speaker 19 and their guest star CM Punk.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 all the heels came out together, which I liked. With the showman in me, I understand you got to have the separate entrances.
So

Speaker 19 they had Sammy, they had Jimmy,

Speaker 19 then they had Lacka Mussolini.

Speaker 19 But it really wasn't time, and they had no screen. It was like, you know, the screen was so small because did I mention all the thousands of people that jammed into the building?

Speaker 19 They didn't have room for a screen. But it wasn't, you know, a big entrance.
He came over, pie-faced Bronson Reed.

Speaker 19 And then Roman came out, and

Speaker 19 they stop. They don't even go to the ring.
They stop at the entranceway that they have, such as it is. and get in the cage until it's time to be led into the other cage,

Speaker 19 which again, I think, is a bit of a hat on a hat.

Speaker 19 But then they,

Speaker 19 I guess they wouldn't be able to pull off

Speaker 19 having the whole Home Depot under the ring and everybody pulling shit out if they were all free at ringside, right?

Speaker 19 Anyway, Roman came out and the four babyfaces got in a cage. And then they gave Jay the entrance from the top of the arena.

Speaker 19 with the camera follow and the waving and the yeeting.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 boy, boy, that was a heck of a fucking crowd. There was a lot of people in that.
Did I mention there was a lot of people in that building?

Speaker 19 And they yeeted and they waved. And

Speaker 19 again, it's not very war games-y, but when you got something going on like that, because

Speaker 19 Jay Uso is bugging the shit out of me with his work.

Speaker 19 I think I've mentioned this a time or two.

Speaker 19 But goddamn, he's over.

Speaker 19 I just wish he'd tighten up a few of these things, right?

Speaker 19 But Jay started with Tama,

Speaker 19 who briefly adopted the hands and knees Antonio Anoki Muhammad Ali defense. I thought there, what was he doing? Crawling around on his fucking hands and knees.

Speaker 2 There's something about him, the noises he makes, the way he moves around, I get a kick out of him.

Speaker 19 I get no kick from champagne.

Speaker 2 Remember, before Jacob Fatu showed up, he was the weird one. He was like the weirdo, crazy guy in the group.
Yeah,

Speaker 19 it looks like Tonga Loa came into the group because real estate didn't work out, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 He seems like such a nice guy. Yeah, I just see whatever I see.
I'm like, that bloodline guy seems like a nice guy.

Speaker 19 He's always looking at it over his shoulder. What am I supposed to do again?

Speaker 19 So, anyway,

Speaker 19 they spent five minutes or whatever kicking the shit out of each other to Jay and Tomatonga.

Speaker 19 And then Bronson Reed was next in because obviously the heels got the advantage, at least in this one.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 he came in with five chairs and then just flattened Jey Uso with a belly bump and beat him up with a chair. And they two-on-one

Speaker 19 Jey Uso, him and him and old Tama,

Speaker 19 until what you would

Speaker 19 imagine would happen. Jimmy was next, and he came straight in and made a comeback on both of the heels.
And

Speaker 19 the Usos are looking pretty good, but also

Speaker 19 at least

Speaker 19 at least they'd, every babyface guy didn't have to come in with,

Speaker 19 you know, the entire junkyard tied around his neck, right?

Speaker 19 They're just coming in to fight. This wasn't,

Speaker 19 which you would think if they were going to gimmick shit up, this would have been more gimmick than the girls' match, but

Speaker 19 it would get more gimmick-y, but at least the babyfaces weren't bringing the shit in, too.

Speaker 19 But basically,

Speaker 19 it was

Speaker 19 the two Usos against

Speaker 19 the other guys. And then

Speaker 19 Tongaloa was getting ready to enter the next time. And

Speaker 19 Solo stopped him and gave the signal to the werewolf, Jacob Phytu, to come on, come on down.

Speaker 19 And Jacob came in.

Speaker 19 and

Speaker 19 pretty much beat up both the Usos. And he's amazing.

Speaker 19 Whether he was not particularly selling some of the stuff they were doing or just his stuff.

Speaker 19 Again, you know, he's the, to me, he's the jewel in the family.

Speaker 19 And then the heels got to heat on the babyfaces.

Speaker 19 But then when it was time for the next babyface

Speaker 19 entrant,

Speaker 19 Punk was, you know, warmed up and ready, right? And

Speaker 19 he's about to take the step, and Roman stuck his hand out and blocked him

Speaker 19 and signaled to Sammy and Sammy kind of sneaks out not wanting to offend anybody. So much of this stuff they just take from real life.

Speaker 19 There's a punk and Roman are two top guys that would glare at each other menacingly over a spot, whereas Sammy is just the guy that wants to sneak out and not piss anybody off.

Speaker 19 And Sammy came in and made an athletic comeback. He didn't need a bunch of gimmicks.
And the fans then started chanting the

Speaker 19 Ole, Ole, Ole deal.

Speaker 19 And then if anything bad was going to happen,

Speaker 19 it would have happened next. Honga Loa came in.

Speaker 19 And he slid in a table and then another one. And Fatu was helping set him up.

Speaker 19 But there was, then this was the glaring part of the men's match. I don't know where there was so much time and momentum lost for the sake of furniture that would be,

Speaker 19 you know, it's not integral to the story. You don't have to do every single piece of it.

Speaker 19 And there's a 10-second pop and one replay, but when you've got

Speaker 19 momentum going and you slow it down to do that, to set something up later on, you see where I'm saying? Are you backing up, Brian? You think as a viewer?

Speaker 19 As the typical fan in the audience that you are?

Speaker 2 I don't think I'm backing up, no.

Speaker 19 yeah, it's it

Speaker 19 doesn't feel like a loss of momentum to you.

Speaker 2 Wait, maybe I lost where the point started here.

Speaker 19 Well, maybe I was

Speaker 19 speaking gibberish. Yeah, when they've got something going

Speaker 19 and they've instead of continuing, and they've got a new guy coming in, and instead they've all got to start looking for more furniture instead of just doing some. Remember when

Speaker 19 traditionally, before the war games got a hat on a hat,

Speaker 19 what would happen is

Speaker 19 if the odds were even, the babyfaces would be shining. So when the next heel came in, he would come in with some sense of urgency to stop the babyfaces.

Speaker 2 And they were around ringside. They weren't in a cage over by the entrance way.

Speaker 19 Well, yes, but they were still coming into the fight and vice versa.

Speaker 19 When the fucking

Speaker 19 baby faces were down and the babyface got the chance to come in, he would get in as quick as he could and make a big comeback.

Speaker 19 But they just come in and they're starting to look for shit under the ring and they're setting up tables or shop class projects and it loses momentum, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 Yes, I agree with that.

Speaker 19 Okay, well, that's the way that I was trying to say it.

Speaker 19 Don't hold me to

Speaker 19 what you said the way that I said it.

Speaker 2 I know they changed everything, but I like, I thought war games worked the way it was with a cage on the roof so guys don't break their ankles or whatever happened later on here and also with the guys around ringside shaking the cage yelling making noise

Speaker 2 not like all put together in a little booth I don't know

Speaker 19 well they were I've got a secret the isolation booth yeah exactly

Speaker 19 they stole but no it was fine and also again with a top on it instead of because now you won't have people diving off and breaking their bones.

Speaker 19 But anyway, everybody tossed a bunch of junk around.

Speaker 19 And then it was finally, it was time for either Punk or Roman was left. And the door opened.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 you saw that

Speaker 19 Roman started to walk out, but then Punk shouldered right past him. He's going.

Speaker 19 And Roman's like,

Speaker 19 And Punk kind of stalked to the ring and the heels were going to block him from going in.

Speaker 19 And so Punk goes back down the stairs, goes under the ring and gets the toolbox and comes in and hits everybody in the head with the toolbox

Speaker 19 it was his choice i'm sure

Speaker 19 but i don't i would have loved to see something that you could swing a little easier to you know

Speaker 19 than the toolbox i don't know But you got to, you got to stick to the list of things that do belong under a ring. So there you go.

Speaker 19 But he beat the shit out of Tongaloa with the toolbox and then he bulldogged Jacob onto the toolbox and Jacob popped up and didn't sell that and Samoan dropped punk. So Jacob is still a monster.

Speaker 19 And then it was time for Solo

Speaker 19 and he slammed the door on everybody's head. Sammy first and then one of the Usos, the other Usos, and he got in and directed traffic to tell the other heels what to do and how to get the heat.
And

Speaker 19 Jacob hits a moonsault moonsault, and Bronson Reed hits a splash, and all the baby faces are down.

Speaker 19 And then Solo takes a chain and a padlock and locks the cage door.

Speaker 19 Which now

Speaker 19 normally the War Games cage door was locked, and then the referee would have the key and he would open it whenever it was time for anybody to go in.

Speaker 19 Well, now, since they've got the other guys

Speaker 19 locked in the small cages as teams, do they not have the cage door still locked at ringside and unlock it when somebody's supposed to go in, or did you notice that detail?

Speaker 2 I didn't notice, actually.

Speaker 19 Because

Speaker 19 if he,

Speaker 19 I hope he had his own, it was his own chain and his own lock, but I'm thinking that maybe they unlocked the door to let him in or whatever, but he locked the door.

Speaker 19 And so that meant that Roman wasn't going to be able to get in.

Speaker 19 But then Roman was up and we got the OTC chance. But when Roman came down the aisle, he looked like it was a surprise to him

Speaker 19 that he couldn't open the door. But I guess he was far enough away, he couldn't see the monitor.
So he didn't know that Solo would put a chain and a lock on a door.

Speaker 19 So then he decided, well,

Speaker 19 I'm going to have to start climbing.

Speaker 19 If I'd have been the tribal chief, I would have asked for the bolt cutters first, wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 I guess. I hadn't thought of that.

Speaker 19 Well, because they brought them out here later on, the ring crew.

Speaker 2 That's true. That's true, yeah.

Speaker 19 The ring crew always has a pair of bolt cutters.

Speaker 2 Maybe he wasn't paying attention. He thought all the tools had been brought into the ring already.

Speaker 19 Well, I think there's always a set of bolt cutters in a major arena that size. And see, that's the thing.

Speaker 19 If Roman Reigns, if he'd have had the wise man out there at that point, he would have thought of that because it could have been like the old bull and the young bull.

Speaker 19 The old bull and the young bull on top of the hill. The young bull says, hey, pop, let's go down there in that pasture and run down there and fuck one of them cows.

Speaker 19 And the old bull says, son, let's walk down there and fuck all of them.

Speaker 19 Instead of climbing over the cage, he could have just said, I'll i'll just stand here until you bring me those bolt cutters

Speaker 2 couldn't he now i i guess so this has been your cow update what a

Speaker 19 example to use there but anyway he's climbing that cage and he nails the tongas off and he nails reed off and he nails jacob

Speaker 19 and then solo

Speaker 19 and now he's in the cage and

Speaker 19 you know he comes off the top and he levels all the heels and he makes a big comeback and boom, boom, boom. And all the heels take a bump.

Speaker 19 And then he goes over and he's helping up all the baby faces, regrouping his team, and he helps Sammy and Jay. And

Speaker 19 he walks right past Punk, like, yeah, and then Jimmy. And Punk gets up on his own and they start to argue, Punk and Roman.

Speaker 19 Not like violently, but like, hey, you got a problem. You got a problem with that?

Speaker 19 And here comes Heyman waddling down the aisle.

Speaker 19 Hitchcock is making his cameo

Speaker 19 and he pleaded with them. Well, that was while the crew got the bolt cutters, got the lock off the door.

Speaker 19 And he pleaded with them. You know what this means? Blah, blah, blah.
So

Speaker 19 now Punk and Roman turned, they were on the same page. They turned to look at their opposing team as the war games begins.
Ding, ding, ding.

Speaker 19 And then they fight some more.

Speaker 19 And they teased again

Speaker 19 the Punk and Roman situation where

Speaker 19 they set up a spot where

Speaker 19 Roman was going to duck and spear Solo while Punk was going to

Speaker 19 go to sleep fatu and Solo was to move out of the way and Roman would spear punk out from under the GTS attempt, which they did, but there was a little bobble there.

Speaker 19 And then Solo spiked Roman and got a two count.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 Jacob missed a moonsault, like his third or fourth of the evening, and sold his knee big time

Speaker 19 so that Bronson could put Roman.

Speaker 2 When you say he missed the moonsault, he fell and his leg hit the rope and he started selling.

Speaker 2 And the only reason I didn't think he was immediately hurt was the referee didn't come over for a little while.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah. Well, remember the last time that everybody said, oh, my God, he's broken his leg.
This motherfucker can sell.

Speaker 19 I'm telling you, he's a fucking, he's a

Speaker 19 genetic marvel.

Speaker 19 He knows all this shit somehow, subconsciously, because he was up about what,

Speaker 19 a minute and a half later or whatever, doing shit that you wouldn't be able to do if you'd have fucked your leg up, right?

Speaker 19 But it's nice that people worry about him.

Speaker 19 But then that's that's why I was saying,

Speaker 19 again, Reed gets on top of the fucking cage. He's, what, 380 pounds? He gets all the way on top of the cage.
Roman is standing or laying on the table.

Speaker 19 And Reed comes off. And that's where Punk jumps up and pulls Roman off the table.
And that,

Speaker 19 the timing was perfect on that. It was like...
the movie scene where you pull the guy out of the mine and the explosion comes right behind him. All the shit blasts across and barely misses him.

Speaker 19 And a table exploded here. Bronson Reed went through it.

Speaker 19 Remember what I was saying about Bronson Reed being a valuable talent, but a guy like Hobbes has more upside over an AEW because Reed, that size, he's doing this shit. His joints ain't going to last.

Speaker 19 His joints ain't going to last.

Speaker 2 Well, again, when you say he's doing this shit, you're not talking about just wrestling. You're talking about the spots he's doing.

Speaker 19 No,

Speaker 19 coming off the top of a fucking cage through a table at 380 pounds or whatever is with the shit that I'm talking about that he's doing.

Speaker 19 But anyway, they have perfect spots. People start chanting CM Punk because he had saved Roman.

Speaker 19 So at that point, there's Roman and Punk laying there.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 Punk has just saved him. So Roman gets up and helps Punk up now this time.

Speaker 19 And that's what we're talking about, kids. When we say you got to tell a story with somebody, there has to be some meaning to some shit that happens.

Speaker 19 They're starting to grow on each other. Punk saved the guy, almost sacrificed himself, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 Solo spiked Roman like twice, but the Usos saved him.

Speaker 19 And the Usos took out Fatu, and

Speaker 19 Jimmy came off the top of the cage and splashed him through a fucking table. And was that the one that broke his toe or some bone in his foot?

Speaker 2 I'm not sure.

Speaker 19 One of the Usos broke a toe or something on one of these splashes.

Speaker 2 It may be the one then, yeah.

Speaker 19 He may be the one.

Speaker 2 That may be the one.

Speaker 19 Well,

Speaker 19 or it may be the other one. But it's a wonder it wasn't both of them.

Speaker 19 And then the people are, this is awesome. This is awesome.
Because

Speaker 19 now the baby faces are up and most of the heels have been wiped out. And finally, there's Solo left all by himself.
The other heels have been dealt with and all five faces are up.

Speaker 19 And the people are chanting, you fucked up.

Speaker 19 I mean, they're with it.

Speaker 19 And Roman tells Solo, come on now, bigger boy, bigger boy.

Speaker 19 And Solo goes for the spike and Jimmy super kicks him and Jay super kicks him and both of them super kick him and Sammy gives him the big kick in the corner and Punk hits him with the go-to sleep and then Roman spears him and covers him one, two, three.

Speaker 19 And that's a fucking finish. It built, built, built.
And if it was AEW, he would have kicked out and they would have done seven other things.

Speaker 2 What do you think of the idea of beating Solo? Again, he did take everyone's finisher one after another, so it's not like just one person beat him, but.

Speaker 2 the idea of beating him and where you go from here.

Speaker 19 They had to here because think about that. They would have not only been,

Speaker 19 I can understand potentially foiling Roman's return, although

Speaker 19 I don't think that it would have been right. I can understand the thought process by saying, well, maybe we can beat Roman.

Speaker 19 But with Punk's return from what, a couple months, but still, and him doing the favor for Heyman and that being part of the story.

Speaker 19 What kind of fucking,

Speaker 19 unless that they were going to

Speaker 19 break Punk and Roman up in this, which may have still been up in the air. We didn't know what they were going to do.

Speaker 19 There's no way that Punk could have been on the losing side if he was trying to help them win, right? Because then that would have killed the favor story with Paul and a lot of things.

Speaker 19 So they figured out a way that they could

Speaker 19 neutralize the werewolf in sufficient sufficient fashion

Speaker 19 that, you know, and then the other guys could be down, and then they could all five beat Solo.

Speaker 19 Because the babyfaces had to win here, and I think they did it well. I like this,

Speaker 19 except some of the egregious,

Speaker 19 you know, how many tables can we break?

Speaker 2 Bronson Reed getting hurt when he's finally getting a push and it's finally working.

Speaker 19 Yeah,

Speaker 19 we didn't need that. There was a

Speaker 19 and again, girls, girls had jumped off the top of the cage

Speaker 19 before

Speaker 19 these guys did. So why do

Speaker 19 anyway?

Speaker 19 I guarantee you, if a girl had jumped off the scaffold at Starcade 86 in the first match before I went up there, I'd have said, fuck it, I'm not doing it. The boy, they've already done it anyway.

Speaker 2 Bubba might have caught her.

Speaker 19 Well, maybe it'd been more possible.

Speaker 19 But anyway, then all the baby faces hugged, except for Punk. But then they all hugged Punk except for Roman.

Speaker 19 But then there was the big milk and Roman offered the hand and Punk took it. And we got the big pop and

Speaker 19 everybody put up the one finger except for Punk who did his go-to-sleep pose.

Speaker 19 On the way out of the cage, Punk hugged Heyman and they reiterated to each other where the camera microphone could hear that Paul owes a favor.

Speaker 19 And ended up, they did all of that that we have talked about in three hours and 30 minutes. So it was still.

Speaker 2 With like two hours of commercial breaks.

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 19 It was still two hours shorter than that fiasco that we watched the previous week from AEW.

Speaker 19 One of the worst pay-per-views was the most overdone matches with the fakest shit and the most unbelievable fucking survivals of not only bumps, but attempted murder over and over until you couldn't even remember who started the thing.

Speaker 19 Or here,

Speaker 19 they sold out, they had millions of people watching, and they were in and out of there in three and a half hours.

Speaker 2 Well, that was the WWE Survivor Series, the Thanksgiving time tradition.

Speaker 2 And with that,

Speaker 2 let's go to time travel.

Speaker 2 All right, we are here in the future, an exciting time, an exciting future.

Speaker 2 World War III is happening, and we are here.

Speaker 19 We didn't have to time trap. We just stopped to take a piss.
You all said you just want any excuse to turn into Richie Blackmore.

Speaker 2 You were just telling me off the air, Brian, I could never admit it on the air, but you play so good. I really like your stuff.
Stace wants me to

Speaker 2 a tape of your stuff for her birthday next year. Oh, I'll be there.
And then we get on the air and all of a sudden it's, oh, you stink, you stink.

Speaker 19 No, see, I'm giving an accurate representation.

Speaker 19 You, you lie through your teeth and tell the people that I can't sing when I demonstrate that I can often hear on the program.

Speaker 2 So I'm not lying through my teeth. My mouth is open.

Speaker 19 Well, in that case, I got something to you. But nevertheless, we need to talk about more things.

Speaker 2 Yes, we

Speaker 19 Because can you

Speaker 19 explain it to me? Why? Because is it, Uncle Huck,

Speaker 19 that when the AEW program is on Wednesday night, we get the ratings on Thursday afternoon, evening, or whatever.

Speaker 19 But when that Thursday is a holiday, we don't get them for five more fucking days. We don't get on a Monday afternoon.

Speaker 19 And we've successfully dicked around on this program until they've been inseminated or disseminated, as the case may be. But why does one holiday

Speaker 19 back shit up? I mean, I can understand if you ate too much of the broccoli and cheese casserole, you'd be backed up. But why are the ratings backed up till the following Monday?

Speaker 19 Friday and Saturday were perfectly good days.

Speaker 2 That's one of those perks for working at Nielsen. Thanksgiving is come back to work whenever the fuck you feel like it.

Speaker 19 Well, what about all the big Thanksgiving football

Speaker 19 contests and matches and things and such?

Speaker 2 Those things and such happened, and I don't know their ratings because I wasn't really looking into their ratings.

Speaker 19 But they need to know, too. They're important people, not just us lowly little wrestling broadcasters and perpetrators.

Speaker 2 Forget about the programs. The advertisers need to know.

Speaker 19 Yeah. They want to know.
They have to know.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm assuming you're talking about AEW Dynamite and we're going to do the ratings.

Speaker 19 Yes, this is finally the day before Thanksgiving Dynamite. Finally, the ratings have been revealed.
Were they trying to keep them secret?

Speaker 2 Well, there's a few things to talk about here. And, you know, we have been very, very critical of the programming of late.

Speaker 2 I mean, we've been critical of all year, it's been just a downward slide of bad AEW dynamites.

Speaker 2 But lately, it seems to have really gone off the edge.

Speaker 2 And now we're about to get a fucking tournament.

Speaker 19 Two tournaments. The girls' tournament is inside the

Speaker 19 other kind of tournament.

Speaker 2 You know, it's funny, for a long time,

Speaker 2 it lasted about a year, I'd say, whenever you criticized AEW, you started hearing one big thing back at you: Wembley!

Speaker 2 For a while, it was no matter what you say, no matter how critical you are, it doesn't matter. Wembley, they got all those people into London for that stadium show.

Speaker 2 You know what the new Wembley is?

Speaker 19 I'm waiting for you to tell me.

Speaker 2 550 million!

Speaker 2 That somehow has become the justification for anything. Was the show bad? So what? They got 550 million.

Speaker 2 I'm not interested, and I think all the characters aren't working. Well, TBS gave them 550 million, so they're happy.

Speaker 2 And that's going to run out pretty soon as an argument. It seems to be the main argument for Dave Meltzer with everything, that and asking questions to answer questions in a condescending way.

Speaker 2 But 550,

Speaker 2 which was given to them,

Speaker 2 which was given to them in the midst of hemorrhaging viewers.

Speaker 19 Well, let me

Speaker 19 go ahead.

Speaker 2 No, no, you go ahead. You have a question.

Speaker 19 Well, I'm going to ask the folks out there, because we have a very

Speaker 19 intelligent and widely varied audience out there in the cult of Cornette. Anybody who's in the TV industry in a position where they would know this.

Speaker 19 But I got to think,

Speaker 19 Warner Brothers Discovery or any major network,

Speaker 19 they've got to be smart enough. Is there some kind of baseline or have they just said, we don't care what happens over the next three years?

Speaker 19 This is the money you get, even if your ratings fall below 42,000?

Speaker 2 That's a good question. I mean, the other question is, is it even a signed deal or is it still in deal memo? Because that was the last thing I had heard was it was still a deal memo.

Speaker 19 Well, but even still, I mean, you know,

Speaker 19 they're still above 42,000.

Speaker 19 But is there some kind of fucking trigger where

Speaker 19 because things have fallen apart ratings-wise in the past, right? Or is there a negotiation of an early out for non-performance? I think that's

Speaker 19 that's the only thing they may have to worry about if they gave them them

Speaker 19 however much money and said, okay, and just are we're trusting that in three years since you've been on the air five years, you've lost half the audience you started with.

Speaker 19 So in three years, if you lose 30 more percent, that trips the trigger. And

Speaker 19 as dream machine Troy Graham would say, then it's going to be a graveyard digging in a coffin by long time weeping and family crying.

Speaker 2 See, you know what? The problem is

Speaker 2 right now, AEW, I mean, every wrestling company does, even WWE, you need exposure. And they're about to get a whole lot more exposure on paper when they're up on Max.

Speaker 2 The problem is, if people decide to check out the product right now, it's going to drive them off. It doesn't appeal to anyone.
It's driving off their fans.

Speaker 2 But let's get to the ratings. I mean, we're talking around it and we'll get back to it.

Speaker 19 Okay, and Speaker, by the way, they got to do some kind of

Speaker 19 tie-in max month on Max with MJF.

Speaker 2 Well, he's still MJF's still the Max. MJF is still the guy that the executives on the television side see as like the biggest star in AEW.
So there's something maybe.

Speaker 19 Well, they got to do something like, okay,

Speaker 19 boy, if they had some TV thing or something or movie thing that he's doing now that he's a... an international yacht broker from Toulon, France.

Speaker 19 They get, well, on Max, we've got Max on the movie and the wrestling. And

Speaker 19 Max?

Speaker 19 All right, what was the rating?

Speaker 2 AEW Dynamite on TBS Wednesday, November 27th, 2024, 8 to 10 p.m.

Speaker 2 On average, 536,000 viewers,

Speaker 2 a 0.15 in the key demo, which represents the lowest key demo number ever.

Speaker 2 in Dynamite's normal time slot. And it's the lowest overall number just since November 6th.

Speaker 2 And actually, just for comparison's sake,

Speaker 2 in 2019, which is right around the time they just started up, the day before Thanksgiving, 668,000.

Speaker 2 2020, same day, 710.

Speaker 2 2021,

Speaker 2 898.

Speaker 2 2022, 880.

Speaker 2 2023, 845.

Speaker 2 2024, 536.

Speaker 2 And the key demo is just in the toilet.

Speaker 19 That's over 300,000 people less than last year.

Speaker 2 And again, there's a cable drop-off. That's a legitimate thing, but it's not that.
It ain't that big.

Speaker 19 It ain't almost half.

Speaker 19 Was the Super Bowl on opposite?

Speaker 2 I don't even think the puppy bowl was on opposite this thing.

Speaker 2 But let's

Speaker 2 go to the the quarterly breakdown. Jim, is there anything

Speaker 2 typically, and again, this year is far worse than any previous year in AEW history, including when they first started, but anything to, you know, they don't want to run,

Speaker 2 most companies don't want to run shows on Thanksgiving anymore, but the night before a major holiday, Thanksgiving Eve.

Speaker 2 Should that be a problem?

Speaker 19 In the territory days, you didn't necessarily want to run the night before Thanksgiving for the reason people didn't want to go out.

Speaker 19 They were trying to get ready for Thanksgiving Thanksgiving, or people had just come to their house or whatever the, they weren't going to

Speaker 19 activities, but

Speaker 19 they watched television.

Speaker 2 And I mean, it's for anyone arguing, like, oh, well, people go out the night before Thanksgiving at eight o'clock?

Speaker 19 Well, yeah, no, that's yeah, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 19 But it, it, their own now that you've made that clear. Now that I've made that clear, their own track record proves that it shouldn't

Speaker 19 affect them that badly again. But after you take out when they had just been on the air for a month or whatever and the pandemic year,

Speaker 19 you've got 898, 880, 845, and 536.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 more detail on who the culprits were that

Speaker 19 instead of the death riders, the death ratings.

Speaker 2 And I believe this week they aired live on the West Coast, which should be a hit, but not like this.

Speaker 2 Again, everything you could use as an argument for the drop, nothing justifies this level of drop, especially in the key demo.

Speaker 2 Let's go to quarter one, eight to eight: fifteen p.m. These were compiled by WrestleNomics.

Speaker 2 A full gear recap: the Hurt Business Live promo and the start of Mark Briscoe versus Shelton Benjamin,

Speaker 2 724,000 viewers.

Speaker 19 Okay, Again, not the big numbers that they were starting out with for much of their run, but it's way above the average.

Speaker 2 When we go to quarter two, 8:15, 8:30 p.m.

Speaker 2 The continuation of Mark Briscoe versus Shelton Benjamin with picture and picture

Speaker 2 and the Mercedes-Monet Ramp promo. Oh boy.
Only the start of it, though.

Speaker 2 588,000 viewers.

Speaker 19 That's

Speaker 19 136,000 people

Speaker 19 in the first 15 minutes.

Speaker 19 Mercedes is good, but can we give her credit for all of that?

Speaker 2 But again, the other thing is we've always talked about the real number of people that are actually tuning in to start the night with AEW is more than likely what's in the second quarter, and it's 588 here.

Speaker 2 It's also worth mentioning, this is the first dynamite after the pay-per-view, isn't it?

Speaker 19 Yes, that's why they had the full recap of gear.

Speaker 19 The full gear recap at the start of the program. It was the

Speaker 19 TV show after the big pay-per-view where the fucking rotten heels beat the shit out of all the feckless baby faces.

Speaker 2 Well, we go to quarter three, 8:30 to 8:45 p.m.

Speaker 2 The Mercedes-Monet-Camille Ramp confrontation,

Speaker 2 a recap, and the start of Chris Jericho versus Tomo Hiro Ishii.

Speaker 19 Oh, boy, oi, oi.

Speaker 2 With picture-in-picture ads,

Speaker 19 520,000 viewers, and another 68,000 bite the dust. Now they're down 204,000.

Speaker 2 Well, we go to 845.

Speaker 19 That first 15 minutes is going to do wonders for their

Speaker 19 average by the time they get finished with on this sinking ship.

Speaker 2 And you know what else? No overrun is going to to help them this week because the overrun would have dropped off a cliff, but we'll get.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah, that's right. There was no overrun because of the college basketball.
It was actually important rather than Modern Family, which was a rerun.

Speaker 2 Quarter four, 8:45 to 9 p.m.

Speaker 2 The continuation of Jericho versus Ishe,

Speaker 2 the Swerve Strickland Max Caster backstage angle, an ad break,

Speaker 2 and the Hangman Adam Page, Jay White, Death Riders live angle, which ended with Jay White being choked out by a woman,

Speaker 2 508,000 viewers. Ooh,

Speaker 19 so they

Speaker 19 couldn't, they had seen the chops, and that

Speaker 19 wasn't going to keep them. And then

Speaker 19 they get to the death slot of the Death Riders who are death to the ratings. And now we're on the verge of hitting 400,000 unless they get a bump from the 9 o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 And typically they do. And that's always the opportunity.
People are going to check out what's going on at 9 o'clock. I don't know how big the audience will be.
It'll fluctuate.

Speaker 2 But that's your chance to win people over and try to keep them for the remainder of the show.

Speaker 2 9 to 9.15 p.m., quarter five, the big 9 o'clock hour. Claudio Castignoli versus Ricochet with Picture and Picture Ads, 532,000 viewers.

Speaker 19 Aha, so they got another. 24,000 people to come in and check them out.
Are they going to hang on to them?

Speaker 2 Well, that's the problem. If you came in to check out what was on and you got Claudio versus Ricochet, I think this is what happens: 9:15 to 9:30 p.m.,

Speaker 2 quarter six,

Speaker 2 continuation of Claudio vs. Ricochet, the Don Talas Kyle Fletcher backstage promo,

Speaker 2 and the Adam Cole, Undisputed Kingdom, Kyle O'Reilly confrontation with MJF's video, followed by an ad break,

Speaker 2 479,000 viewers.

Speaker 19 Oh my God.

Speaker 19 Was there an uptick in the suicide rate? We hear that that's really bad around the holidays.

Speaker 2 Listen,

Speaker 2 unless you're going to have Mina Shirakawa topless running around ringside during a Claudio match, no one's going to watch a Claudio match. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 He's been booked horribly for long enough that he doesn't matter. And now they're giving him big wins.
He destroyed Darby Allen last week on the show. They're giving him a push now.

Speaker 2 Only going to get worse. I will save my commentary for the end here.

Speaker 2 Quarter, what is this? Seven?

Speaker 19 Seven.

Speaker 2 9:30 to 9:45 p.m.

Speaker 2 Jamie Hayter versus Queen Aminata with picture-in-picture ads. Mina Shirakawa and Mariah May's backstage angle.
That was not backstage. Or if it was, it wasn't supposed to be.
Followed by an ad break.

Speaker 2 476,000 viewers.

Speaker 19 Well, at least they just about held what they got.

Speaker 2 Well, what they got is quarter eight, 9.45 to 10 p.m.

Speaker 2 Again, for the big continental tournament. Brody King versus Darby Allen with picture and picture.
And then Brody King's confrontation with Claudio.

Speaker 2 461,000 viewers.

Speaker 2 167,000 in the key advertising demo.

Speaker 2 And again, there's no overrun. If there was an overrun, they may have come close to 400

Speaker 2 because this was a bad show and everything was driving people away and they're too stubborn to understand that.

Speaker 19 I'm just trying to, I'm needing a pen and paper to do the math. They lost 263,000 viewers.
From start to finish, which

Speaker 19 what's 263 times 3?

Speaker 2 Wait, hold on. I was doing different math.

Speaker 2 Now I fucked it up. Shit.

Speaker 19 Oh, now don't blame me.

Speaker 2 I was about to.

Speaker 2 What do you want to know?

Speaker 19 Well, I didn't want to ask you a fancy question. I'm just saying

Speaker 19 263 times 3, that's they lost more than 33%, a third of their, or how many percents did they lose? Just do the math.

Speaker 2 Well, hold on. I was doing this, man.
Let me finish doing this.

Speaker 19 Well, which when you do your math, then you do my math.

Speaker 2 What are you putting in? I'm putting in a calculator. What are you?

Speaker 19 What percentage of this audience did they lose?

Speaker 19 He's punching buttons.

Speaker 2 The true number, taking out the first quarter, 509,000 is the average.

Speaker 19 Ouch.

Speaker 19 Even worse.

Speaker 19 And now do my math.

Speaker 2 What is your math? What was your question?

Speaker 19 My math is what percentage of the people that they started with did they lose?

Speaker 19 They had to have lost 35 to 40 percent.

Speaker 2 Okay, hold on. So that would be

Speaker 2 and the final number was 461.

Speaker 2 They lost 63.67. Or no, excuse me.
That is what it is. That is

Speaker 2 so they lost 30, just under 37% of the audience.

Speaker 19 37,

Speaker 19 as Luke Williams would say.

Speaker 19 Boy, howdy, if that was a stock,

Speaker 19 the CEO would be jumping out of the window, wouldn't he?

Speaker 2 But $550 million. $550 million.

Speaker 2 That now defends all the bad stuff. That's the defense.

Speaker 2 Because we're supposed to be concerned with Tony Khan's checkbook.

Speaker 2 If you're Tony Khan, here's a couple of the problems. Tony Khan will never acknowledge that he's the problem.
So you just have to realize it's baked into the cake.

Speaker 2 You're going to have to deal with a booker who doesn't understand anything about booking. And this is with now five years of experience.
He hasn't learned a fucking thing.

Speaker 19 And he doubles.

Speaker 19 He's worse now because he's lost the people who were trying to control him.

Speaker 2 But Tony ain't going to change. So that's baked in.

Speaker 2 How's Tony going to get the balls to tell Jon Moxley they can't keep doing this?

Speaker 2 That's the other problem. This Jon Moxley shit.
We've been talking about how bad bad it is. The public agrees.

Speaker 2 Nobody wants to see the self-indulgent shit that Jon Moxley fantasizes about.

Speaker 2 So is Tony Khan going to be able to tell Jon Moxley without Moxley walking out

Speaker 2 that they can't do this anymore?

Speaker 19 But would that be a bad thing?

Speaker 2 Are we going to wait until the elite can come back and that's going to be the thing they think is going to save the company and save the ratings? Omega, who

Speaker 2 let's see if he can work two matches in a row without being out again

Speaker 2 in japan with the young bucks against moxley and claudio and pack and we were a yuda

Speaker 2 i i you know i don't i

Speaker 19 there's no hope i mean you know the the the key to the whole thing is if if ibushi is ready to go

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 19 They're going to need some backup. If they got him,

Speaker 19 that maybe they can take him on.

Speaker 2 You thought Tony had a lot of staff. Wayne Dilly has a staff infection.

Speaker 19 You should have physical cripples versus mental cripples.

Speaker 2 There's nothing on the horizon that's going to save any of this.

Speaker 2 It's really bad.

Speaker 2 They ignored everything that people like us said because we were haters, as they put it, for a long time, about them not developing stars, the booking being awful, no one getting over, just the matches not really helping anything other than making a few fans happy.

Speaker 2 One thing after another. And look at the state of the company.
They've got 550 million. When is that going to become the story? Holy shit, David Zaslov, while tanking his company,

Speaker 2 gave this sweetheart deal to a television program that should be good, cheap content that's in the middle of hemorrhaging viewers because the head of creative, who owns the company, so it's never going to change.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's impossible. This is going to keep going down and they're going to move the max.
So I think the overall number will probably go down.

Speaker 2 And I don't think that's going to help anything. The more people see of AEW right now in its current state, the less they want to see it again.

Speaker 19 So, and they.

Speaker 2 They've got stadiums to fill. Well, one, I guess, coming up.
Well,

Speaker 19 not to fill, just to

Speaker 19 run, but

Speaker 19 the WBD

Speaker 19 people, the VD people, whoever the Warner Brothers Discovery Max people, whoever owns this guy, we're going to track it down to find out Howard Hughes is still alive and he actually owns everything behind the scenes.

Speaker 19 But they also can figure out, because they do it over on the cock all the time,

Speaker 19 how many people watch their stream, right?

Speaker 19 They have the technology to do that. Oh, yes, they do.

Speaker 2 They may not release it to the public, but they certainly can get it for themselves.

Speaker 19 Well, I was about to say, they don't just, they don't release it to the public, but

Speaker 19 if there is a significant drop in the television numbers once they start also streaming,

Speaker 19 then one would think that someone in WBD, if there was also no,

Speaker 19 if they were dropping instead of gaining, if they weren't making up in a streaming what they were doing on television,

Speaker 19 One would hear rumblings of that after a while, wouldn't it? If it was a bomb, a stinker, a turd in a punch bowl. One would think that would have to start getting out.

Speaker 2 Listen, AEW has always been

Speaker 2 one

Speaker 2 bump to the left of a scandal. You know what I mean? Like one guy taking the bad bump that injured them the wrong way, and they're dead.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 back then, they at least had some

Speaker 2 mojo, some power behind them. You know, it was a young, upstart company competing against WWE, had a lot of good grace from the fans.

Speaker 2 Look at them today. If someone gets badly hurt today,

Speaker 2 and all of a sudden it's on the news, and then people start asking Warner Brothers Discovery questions, then it's going to turn around to this show, which is hemorrhaging viewers each and every week.

Speaker 2 The fans don't stay around for their main stuff.

Speaker 2 Oh, but the key demo, the key demo's disappearing.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, the questions,

Speaker 2 you know, they have a long contract with with WBD.

Speaker 2 How do you think Tony Khan's booking is going to be in four years? Oh.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. There's no hope.
And then if he stepped down, if Tony Khan said, I'm not going to book, who the fuck is going to replace him?

Speaker 2 Moxley? No.

Speaker 2 Brian Danielson? Oh, God, no.

Speaker 2 Who's going to replace Tony Khan as booking, which will never happen?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 again, I go back to what I started saying a few years ago. We need another billionaire.

Speaker 2 We need a billionaire who really wants to do it and has some sort of connections with streaming services to do it the right way and stay the fuck away from the creative. Well,

Speaker 2 Tony Khan has lost his opportunity. Let's face it.

Speaker 2 He's got the money, but he's got the money. That's the new thing.
All of a sudden, we're supposed to look at it like it is a capitalist thing. Tony's got the money, so he won.

Speaker 2 Hey, who cares if it sucks? 500 million, 550 million, excuse me.

Speaker 19 And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 You're not going to get another billionaire that wants to do this

Speaker 19 right

Speaker 19 because nobody that wanted to do anything right, particularly, would have spent this much money as Tony spent

Speaker 19 to get to this point,

Speaker 19 much less how he's got to this point.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 and then another billionaire would have to compete with this billionaire,

Speaker 19 who is not in any way mindful of what the fuck he's doing as far as business? He doesn't want to hurt the boy's feelings that he wants to collect

Speaker 19 his roster.

Speaker 19 So if he's already driving the WWE salaries up, allegedly, or potentially,

Speaker 19 then he would drive it up for anybody else that wanted to get in this goddamn business and do it right. So with it, that's why I'm saying we're stuck with this.

Speaker 19 And that's why I was offended at the start. We're not going to get a second chance.

Speaker 2 This is the ultimate end end of taking a message board dork from 15 years ago and giving them a wrestling company.

Speaker 2 Just because you read the observer, or in this case, just because you have direct access to Dave, doesn't mean you'll ever figure out what you're doing. And Tony, again, he's proven it now.

Speaker 2 He has no idea how to do a good wrestling show or to build an audience.

Speaker 2 All he can get credit for is he knew how to get a bunch of money out of Warner Brothers Discovery for a bunch of content that, again, is losing viewers every week.

Speaker 2 And that's the state of AEW.

Speaker 2 Jim?

Speaker 2 Yes. Before we get out of here, why don't we end in a good mood a little bit, just a little bit of a guest?

Speaker 19 Well, you're just taking over my show, aren't you?

Speaker 2 Okay, it's your show.

Speaker 19 I'm supposed to be the one to pitch the things around here, I'll have you know, Baba Louie. And you have been, you have been whining and crying to me.

Speaker 19 squealing like an old washwoman, but I got to clean off my desk. I got to give, I got to get these programs filed.
And we got to do a guest the program segment one of these days.

Speaker 19 And I said, well, how about

Speaker 19 since we just talked about all the new wrestling, to give a little levity to the program, we'll do the levitation virtue of guest the program.

Speaker 19 And you just hopped right in in front of me.

Speaker 2 What a great idea. Guess the program.
Jim, I never, ever would have thought of that. Hold on, I got, they weren't even on my desk.
They're just all over the place.

Speaker 19 Well, but see there now, that's the way that it goes. I bring it up and then you agree with it.

Speaker 2 Well, you're a very bright man.

Speaker 19 Yes, yes, and humble and lovable.

Speaker 2 You clearly know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 Not this program. Let me find a good one here from this pile.
Of course, guess the program is where I go through programs in my collection

Speaker 2 and quiz Jim about the

Speaker 2 time, the date, the locale. And whatever else he could figure out.

Speaker 19 Well, wait, not the time. I'm not going to figure out if the bell time was 7.30, but I'm going to try to get the location and the year out of this.

Speaker 2 How many places do you think you can get based on bell time? Were there any places that you could think of off the top of your head that had a unique bell time that

Speaker 2 no one else had, like 6.37?

Speaker 19 Well, I mean, no,

Speaker 19 if it was somewhere that I worked and it was a regular,

Speaker 19 you know, a weekly or bi-weekly territory, you know, pretty much everything in

Speaker 19 the Memphis territory was 8 o'clock except for Memphis was 7.30 because it was always usually a little bit bigger card, and they still want to get people out at the same time.

Speaker 19 For whatever reason, Crockett did this for years, and a number of places did 8.15.

Speaker 19 And I don't know

Speaker 19 why that came about. In the

Speaker 19 Alzinc territory,

Speaker 19 up there in the Atlantic Canada area,

Speaker 19 I remember I think they did like 8.45

Speaker 19 because it was daylight later in the summer or some malarkey up there. So it would depend.

Speaker 2 All right, Jim, we're in our first program here.

Speaker 2 The opening bout,

Speaker 2 Cowboy Tony

Speaker 2 versus Superman Tony Atlas.

Speaker 2 The second bout, Matt Bourne versus the dirty white boy Lynn Denton.

Speaker 2 Manager Percy Pringle III.

Speaker 2 The next bout,

Speaker 2 Steve Simpson versus the world's strongest man, Ted Arcidi,

Speaker 2 managed by Percy Pringle III.

Speaker 2 The next match, Manuel Villalobos

Speaker 2 versus the dirty white boy, Tim Brooks,

Speaker 2 manager Percy Pringle III.

Speaker 2 Tag Team Excitement,

Speaker 2 flamboyant Eric Embry and Frankie the Thumper versus the rock and roll RPMs of Mike Davis and Tommy Lane.

Speaker 2 A special lumberjack bout.

Speaker 2 Al Madrill

Speaker 2 versus Brian Adias.

Speaker 2 That sounds like the worst match I've ever heard of in my life.

Speaker 2 And finally, the main event. Sorry, guys.
The main event.

Speaker 19 If either one of you are listening, it was Brian Lasky.

Speaker 2 Seriously, Brian Adias on his own and then Al Madrill at that point on his own. Neither one of those guys makes anyone want to watch.

Speaker 19 Well, and there was nobody in the crowd to begin with watching.

Speaker 2 The main event, the Texas heavyweight champion, Al Perez, managed by Gary Hart versus Sweet Brown Sugar.

Speaker 19 Ooh, okay. Well, we are obviously in or around Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 2 I will confirm we are in or around. It's the Will Rogers Coliseum, Fort Worth.

Speaker 19 Okay, well, that's the DFW Metroplex.

Speaker 19 And good lord, this was that period

Speaker 19 where

Speaker 19 they were about to get a lifeline from Jerry Jarrett, weren't they?

Speaker 19 That was, I would think, this was before the

Speaker 19 Jarrett invasion of Dallas.

Speaker 19 And Frankie the Thumper, by the way, was Frank Lancaster or Frank Lang from Florida.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 he didn't look anything like Terry Funk in the movie.

Speaker 19 You've got all of the

Speaker 19 Texas regulars, Steve Simpson, Matt Bourne, Tim Brooks, Eric Embry. the RPMs, Mike Davis and Tommy Lane.
That was a rock and roll express homage.

Speaker 19 Brian Adias was childhood friends with Devon Ericks, Al Madrill, Percy and Everywhere, Al Perez, Gary Hart.

Speaker 19 Was this

Speaker 19 squeet?

Speaker 2 It was this

Speaker 2 was

Speaker 2 sweet brown sugar. His only appearance.

Speaker 19 Was this squeezed brown sugar skip young, actually?

Speaker 2 I believe so.

Speaker 19 Okay, then that was probably, was that his last hurrah anywhere?

Speaker 19 And that dirty white boy, was that Tony Anthony or was that, were they just taking the gimmick? No, this or was it Lynn Denton?

Speaker 2 It was Lynn Denton in one of the bouts, but his partner here was Tim Brooks. Tim Brooks.

Speaker 19 Okay, well, the other one was Lynn, is what I'm.

Speaker 19 And Ted R. Cedi, of course.
That's the only reason that I think it's got to be 80.

Speaker 19 Oh, geez. Would this be 88 or 89 in Fort Worth, Texas?

Speaker 2 So, so close. Will Rogers Coliseum, Fort Worth, Texas, Monday, July 20th, 1987.

Speaker 19 What? That early?

Speaker 2 Because again, you know what? The big giveaway was Carrie wasn't on the show.

Speaker 19 Ah, that's right.

Speaker 2 Carrie was still out. This is, by the way, the Super Summer Bash.
Oh,

Speaker 2 it says the Super Summer Bash resumes. I guess maybe there was a part one.

Speaker 19 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 And I left something out. Excuse me.
A special tug-of-war challenge, Ted RCD versus the original spoiler. Oh, boy.

Speaker 19 Good lord. How old would Don Jardine have been at that point?

Speaker 2 This must have been towards the end because didn't he work with The Undertaker when he started out?

Speaker 2 The Spoiler?

Speaker 19 Yes.

Speaker 19 Well, no, you've said that backwards. The Undertaker worked with Spoiler with Undertaker.

Speaker 2 That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 19 But goddamn, what a rotten fucking card. No wonder they were about to go out of business.

Speaker 2 Your referees, Brock O'Lubich, Rick Hazard, and Ralph Pulley.

Speaker 19 Rick Hazard was a hell of a guy. Yeah, I know.
Whatever happened to Rick Hazard, if anybody knows out there.

Speaker 2 There's something here.

Speaker 2 The headline, hospital discharges has

Speaker 2 1986 WCWA referee of the year, Rick Hazard.

Speaker 2 In any sport you care to name, he has to be there. He can't participate.
He can only watch.

Speaker 2 And he receives in return for doing his job insults from both of the participating parties as well as the endless scorn of the fans.

Speaker 2 He's called many things umpire, official, referee,

Speaker 2 and he's the man who has to see it, or see to it, in English, that the rules governing his sport are followed to the letter.

Speaker 2 And it's not at all a soft job, and none of these men have it easy. The wrestling referee, however, almost certainly is treated worse than than any other ruleskeeper in any other sport.

Speaker 2 Not only does he have to prevent the two men he's refereeing from killing each other, he also has to look out for his own hide.

Speaker 2 Rick Hazard is known throughout the wrestling world as one of the finest striped shirts in the business.

Speaker 2 In fact, he was voted referee of the year in 1986 by the WCWA fans.

Speaker 2 Has

Speaker 2 has the honor of being one of the few referees to be invited to officiate in Japan.

Speaker 2 The man from Meriwether County, Georgia, had the respect of the top grapplers in the ring today.

Speaker 2 But along came a cowboy, a thumper,

Speaker 2 and a flamboyant one.

Speaker 19 And a flamboyant one?

Speaker 2 The date was June 29th. The Will Rogers Coliseum in Fort Worth, Texas was the place.

Speaker 2 The has

Speaker 2 was scheduled to judge the first match of the evening. Little did he know it was going to be his last bout.

Speaker 19 I bet you Ralph Pulley was writing this shit for a very long time.

Speaker 2 Rick became furious at the way cowboy Tony was treating Steve Casey.

Speaker 2 The self-proclaimed cowboy could have pinned Casey on several occasions, but he pulled him up by the hair every time.

Speaker 2 Has counted one,

Speaker 2 two.

Speaker 2 Tony then took it upon himself to shove the referee, hazard, stripped off his official shirt, and nailed the former drag queen in the face.

Speaker 2 This is something you've rarely seen in a wrestling program.

Speaker 19 I've never seen Hazard do that in a wrestling ring.

Speaker 2 It didn't take very long for Embry and the Thumper to appear. The Terrible Threesome savagely attack Hazard.
They hit him with an atomic knee drop. Followed by a figure four by Cowboy Tony.

Speaker 2 A Lafic Eric Embry even jumped on the already injured knee from the top ropes.

Speaker 2 Hazard was transferred to All Saints Medical Center in Fort Worth, where Dr. Angelo Otero

Speaker 2 spent seven hours reconstructing his left knee. Will the horrible rampage of Embry, Thumper, and Tony ever end?

Speaker 2 We wish Rick a speedy recovery.

Speaker 2 Well, there it is.

Speaker 19 And actually, that shows a little ingenuity from the territory days because I bet you Hazard tore his ACL.

Speaker 19 And they said, well, let's do an angle if you're going to have surgery. And boom, there you go.

Speaker 2 And all things considered, because I've seen a lot of shitty wrestling programs from hot territories where they didn't really have much. That was pretty well written and explained everything.
So

Speaker 2 there you go.

Speaker 19 You know, I come to think it may have been Percy doing the programs at that point. Now that I think about it.

Speaker 2 Let's see if Percy did this program. Jim, the opening bout:

Speaker 2 Ace Freeman, 195, the Bronx,

Speaker 2 versus Paul Orth, 215 out of Toledo, one fall, 15 minutes time limit.

Speaker 2 The top preliminary, Joe Pazendak,

Speaker 2 245 Minneapolis, versus Johnny Valentine, 225 Seattle, one fall 15 minutes.

Speaker 19 225, okay.

Speaker 2 The semifinal, one fall to a finish. Hans Schnabel Good lord.
And Fritz Schnabel

Speaker 2 versus Black Guzman and Rito Romero.

Speaker 2 For a title I will not name.

Speaker 2 Wild Red Berry, the champion, 220 out of Pittsburgh, versus Chief.

Speaker 2 I may get this wrong.

Speaker 19 Chiwaki?

Speaker 2 Chiwaki, but it's spelt C-H-E-W-C-H-K-I, if that's how you spell it. Chief Chiwaki, 234, Ardmore, Oklahoma, 2 out of 3 falls, 90-minute time limit.

Speaker 2 And the main event for the World's Heavyweight Championship: the champion, Louis Fez,

Speaker 2 240, St. Louis, Missouri, versus young Billy Varga, challenger, 205, Los Angeles, California.

Speaker 19 Boy, howdy.

Speaker 19 So much to talk about here.

Speaker 19 Ace Freeman would later on become the promoter in Pittsburgh, correct? Ace was up in Pittsburgh. Yep.
But he was a wrestler at that point against whoever the fuck he's wrestling. I've never heard of.

Speaker 19 Joe Pazandak and Johnny Valentine. If Johnny Valentine

Speaker 19 already knew if he's being billed at 225 pounds, this was probably late 40s, early 50s when he was really a rookie first starting out. Then we go to

Speaker 19 Hans and Fritz Schnabel

Speaker 19 against Blackie Guzman and Rito Romero. I was thinking we were,

Speaker 19 we were possibly headed to Texas.

Speaker 19 But then we go with Red Berry and Chief Chiwaki. Chief Chewaki

Speaker 19 was

Speaker 19 this would have been for you said a title that you would not name. Was it some type of junior heavyweight championship? If even it was not.

Speaker 2 It was a state championship.

Speaker 19 A state champion.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 19 And then the world title Thez, and he's young Billy Varga because he hadn't gone to Los Angeles and become Count Billy Varga yet.

Speaker 19 And with Red Berry Wrestling, a state title.

Speaker 19 God damn it.

Speaker 19 Now I'm thinking

Speaker 19 with Thez and Varga and

Speaker 19 being certainly between

Speaker 19 nineteen forty-eight and nineteen fifty-two, let's say, during Thez's run there,

Speaker 19 it's either Texas or it's Kansas.

Speaker 19 I bet you it's Texas. I bet you it's Houston.

Speaker 19 I bet you it is 1950.

Speaker 2 Very impressive, very close.

Speaker 2 The date, Friday, November 4th, 1949.

Speaker 2 God damn it. So the end of 49, Houston, Texas.

Speaker 19 Alrighty then. You got that.

Speaker 2 Program number 207, the city auditorium. And then it has inside here, Vern Gagne made a big hit.

Speaker 2 Vern Gagne showed up in the ring last week, proudly wearing the blue sweater with the initials USA in red and white across the front.

Speaker 2 It was the same sweater he had worn in London when he competed on the US Olympic team, and when he took it off, he showed that he was going to be a tough competitor.

Speaker 2 It was only Vern's 20th pro match, but behind him, more than 1,000 matches in the amateur ranks and worlds of tough experience.

Speaker 2 With all the athletic ability that had carried him to the top of the amateur ranks and also made him one of the best football players his college, the U of Min, had ever developed.

Speaker 19 You know, the U of Min, they were bigot to football.

Speaker 2 Ganya moved into his match with the assurance of a veteran. Be sure to key,

Speaker 2 they left out the P, be sure to keep

Speaker 2 your eye on that boy Ganya and pronounce it in caps G-O-N-Y-A.

Speaker 2 Ganya.

Speaker 19 You know, to be quite honest, when I first discovered the wrestling magazines and nobody had the opportunity to talk about Vern Gagne on, you know, Memphis TV here in Louisville, I thought, well, who's that guy, Vern Gagne?

Speaker 2 That's what everyone thought. I don't know anyone who didn't think that.
And they was like, Gagne, what the fuck? But here it is. They say it phonetically here.

Speaker 2 Lewis says, world's heavyweight champion will be at the program desk at 8 o'clock to autograph your program.

Speaker 19 Well, boom, right there. Is that what autographed?

Speaker 2 This one is not autographed, and it also still has the lucky number attached. That's sometimes a rarity with these really old ones.
Two old favorites return again next Friday night.

Speaker 2 Big Bull Hefner, the Sherman, Texas boy who made good in grappling and now makes his home in Houston, comes back here next Friday night, and another old favorite who has earned the nickname Bull will be back to Alberto Toro Campos.

Speaker 2 Hefner has been burning up competition on the Pacific coast, while Campos has been bowling them over around El Paso, where he now makes his home.

Speaker 2 Campos now weighs 215 pounds, having gained about 20 pounds since his last appearance here, but the long-haired, definitely not handsome Mexican is still as rough as ever. Definitely not handsome.

Speaker 19 Can you imagine

Speaker 19 if the fans walked into a WWE or AEW or any wrestling show these days and actually could read stuff like that.

Speaker 19 And they were like, this guy is an athlete and we're going to run down his measurements and his record and tell you how he's going to fight the other.

Speaker 19 It would be so refreshing.

Speaker 2 Girl Grapplers appear here two weeks from tonight and mark that date in your book right now, November 18th. The Grapplorettes will return to action in the Houston Ring.

Speaker 2 That promises to be a great date for fans who like action and plenty of it. Beauty and plenty of it.

Speaker 2 They will get all that and plenty more.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they will get all that and plenty more.

Speaker 2 All at the same time when the girls appear. So far, the final lineup is not assured, but promoter Morris Siegel has received an acceptance from

Speaker 2 Violet Vaughan, or excuse me, Violet Vion.

Speaker 2 I'm not too familiar with her, I have to be honest. Mae Weston, June June Byers,

Speaker 2 and Mae Young.

Speaker 2 There are still several more to be heard from. And no matter who else accepts, the four named above promise to give fans all the action they want.

Speaker 2 That's interesting the way they put that. Like, these four have accepted so far.
Yeah. Waiting to hear back from more.

Speaker 19 I bet you they just ended up with a tag team match.

Speaker 2 What do you bet? Do you know anything about this woman? Miss Violet Vianne.

Speaker 19 Violet Vianne. Vian, excuse me.

Speaker 19 Well, I think that's the way that I, but I always said Gagne, so you never know.

Speaker 19 But she was one of the early

Speaker 19 Billy Wolf troupe of that era, probably from, I would say, maybe late 40s through mid-50s. I've seen the name many times, and it stands out because of the alliteration with the Vs, but

Speaker 19 I don't know that she was ever one of the top.

Speaker 19 Top ladies on the circuit, as they say.

Speaker 2 Well, let's go to our next program, program, Jim, the opening bout. George Scott versus Lorenzo Parenti.

Speaker 19 Oh, good lord. Okay.

Speaker 2 The second bout, Sandy Scott versus Ray Gordon.

Speaker 2 Professor Hero versus the Lawman.

Speaker 2 Ivan Kalmilkoff versus Leaping Larry Shane.

Speaker 19 That's Kalmakoff, by the way.

Speaker 2 We have some tag team matches. Rita Cortez and Lucille Dupree

Speaker 2 versus Bambi Ball and Mary Jane Mole.

Speaker 2 Good lord. Also, Sonny Boy Cassidy and Phantom Lopez versus Billy the Kid and Farmer Pete.

Speaker 19 Wait a minute. You're going too fast.
Okay, write them all down.

Speaker 19 Who did Billy the Kid and Farmer Pete wrestle?

Speaker 2 Sonny Boy Cassidy and Phantom Lopez. That's a great name.

Speaker 2 A special attraction, Eduard Carpentier versus Chuck Bruce.

Speaker 19 Good lord.

Speaker 2 And the main event, Fritz von Erich versus Johnny Valentine.

Speaker 19 Oh, my, okay.

Speaker 19 Fritz, we all know.

Speaker 19 And this was a period of time where he was not in Texas. So this was going to be

Speaker 19 late 50s, early 60s at best. Valentine, we've just talked about a minute ago.

Speaker 2 How do you know he's not in Texas here? What's the giveaway from that?

Speaker 19 Because all of the rest of the people that we're going to talk about, except,

Speaker 19 hold on here. Let me work through it.
Carpentier,

Speaker 19 the French legend, but

Speaker 19 at this period of time.

Speaker 19 If this is what I'm thinking, this was shortly after he was considered for and they went through the whole NWA title fiasco. That happened in 57.

Speaker 19 Chuck Bruce, I got no fucking clue.

Speaker 19 Billy the Kid, Farmer Pete, Cassidy, and the Phantom

Speaker 19 were

Speaker 19 midgets of the time.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 them makes me start thinking it's later

Speaker 19 than I would have thought it was.

Speaker 19 Mary Jane Mull was working for Bruiser in the mid-70s, but you see her name on cards in the early 50s.

Speaker 19 Rita Cortez and Lucille Dupree.

Speaker 19 Ivan Komikov was a Russian, but later became the manager of the Mighty Igor as a babyface. And Leaping Larry Shane

Speaker 19 was

Speaker 19 biggest in the Midwest and the Detroit area, but he was killed in a car wreck

Speaker 19 in

Speaker 19 the late 1960s.

Speaker 19 Hero? What was it that? Mr. Hero?

Speaker 2 That is correct. Just Mr.
Hero.

Speaker 19 Versus the Law.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, excuse me, Professor Hero.

Speaker 19 Professor Hero versus the Lawman.

Speaker 19 Don the Lawman Slattin, but I don't think it's the same one, but that would have been Texas with Fritz.

Speaker 19 But could it have been the the same one? Because George and Sandy Scott, Lorenzo Parenti was a heck of a worker. He was both a babyface and heel for years in the Tennessee Territory.

Speaker 19 Ray Gordon would become guillotine Gordon.

Speaker 19 Were the Scott brothers in Texas?

Speaker 19 And would Carpentier have been there? And if this is Fritz and Valentine and they are in Texas, it would be

Speaker 19 early to mid-60s rather than

Speaker 19 late fifties in the Buffalo territory, which is what I might have thought, except when you first said the Scots

Speaker 19 and Professor Hero, I was thinking Calgary.

Speaker 19 So, goddammit, I'm going to say, just because

Speaker 19 this is nineteen

Speaker 19 well, but now I'm talking myself into Calgary,

Speaker 19 nineteen

Speaker 19 in Calgary, Canada.

Speaker 2 Oof.

Speaker 19 I'm off, I'm all over the place, ain't I?

Speaker 2 You're going to get, as soon as I say it, I think you're going to realize it. Okay.
Saturday, April 11th, 1964.

Speaker 2 Detroit, Michigan.

Speaker 19 Son of a bitch.

Speaker 2 This is an Olympia wrestling card.

Speaker 19 Son of a bitch, before

Speaker 19 Barnett left, or maybe right as he was leaving the country, because it does look like a ton of care was put in this thing.

Speaker 2 All right, well, and this is before

Speaker 2 it had the body press on the front, so it would just have like a headline as the cover of the program.

Speaker 19 I shit to bet all over that one.

Speaker 2 Who needs referees? That's what it says where normally the name of the actual publication would be.

Speaker 2 Let me grab at least one more. Let's do one or two more.
Let me give a relatively easy one.

Speaker 19 Oh, now don't condescend to me. Let me give you a gimme there, Grandma.

Speaker 2 No, I think even the listeners, even the listeners who don't have extreme knowledge of 1950s territory wrestling, would probably have a chance here.

Speaker 2 The opening bout, which was not in the program, but it's written in Manuel Soto versus Pete Sanchez.

Speaker 19 Okay.

Speaker 2 Also written in Johnny Rivera versus Jose Cadiz.

Speaker 2 Johnny Rods vs. S.
D. Jones

Speaker 2 Doug Gilbert vs Big Bobo Brazil

Speaker 2 Bruiser Brody

Speaker 2 vs Kevin Sullivan

Speaker 2 a four-man tag team match

Speaker 2 Baron Sakluna and Rocky Tomayo vs. Billy Whitewolf and Chief Jay Strongbow

Speaker 2 another four man tag bout, two out of three falls.

Speaker 2 The Executioners, one and two,

Speaker 2 versus Jose Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 And filling in for Haystacks Calhoun, Dominic DiNucci.

Speaker 2 One fall to a finish. Skandar Akbar.
Good lord. Versus Ivan Putsky.

Speaker 2 And the main event.

Speaker 19 You know, that's a little curiosity there. Most people would not remember Akbar

Speaker 19 as a WWWF talent, but I'm spilling the beans already.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, and you almost wouldn't think so because of his size, but yeah, there he was.

Speaker 19 Well, he was the thing is, he was almost as wide as he was tall, and what a fucking power lifter. For those days, he was

Speaker 19 very stout.

Speaker 2 The main event: a steel cage match, one fall to a finish.

Speaker 2 Stan Hansen versus Bruno San Martino.

Speaker 19 Okay,

Speaker 19 well,

Speaker 19 this is obviously the WWWF

Speaker 19 running down some of the names, you know, Emmanuel Soto, Pete Sanchez, Johnny Rivera,

Speaker 19 Johnny Rodds, Estee Jones.

Speaker 19 These are guys that, you know, were on the cards up there in underneath positions for

Speaker 19 all kinds of time. Doug Gilbert, not the Doug Gilbert, the brother of Eddie Gilbert, but the original,

Speaker 19 or at least the predecessor Doug Gilbert, Doug the pro Gilbert, from he was on top in Atlanta in the 60s as a mad, the mass professional, the pro.

Speaker 19 And then later on, they called him Gashouse Gilbert

Speaker 19 up there for whatever fucking reason, I don't know.

Speaker 19 Bobo Brazil, need we say more, Kevin Sullivan against Bruiser Brody.

Speaker 19 And with Stan Hanson in the main event, Brody and Hansen had started together in the Leroy McGurk, the tri-states territory, Oklahoma, Missouri,

Speaker 19 and Edward some in the,

Speaker 19 you know, the future Mid-South territory also.

Speaker 19 And then they both, about the same time, because of their size, got the break to go up to work for Vince Sr.

Speaker 19 Baron Sikluna from the Isle of Malta. Jay Strongbow was teaming with Billy Whitewolf, who was Adnan Kayzee

Speaker 19 because they needed another Indian.

Speaker 19 And the executioners were Killer Kowalski and Chuck the Monster O'Connor,

Speaker 19 who would later on change his name and fade into obscurity as Big John stud.

Speaker 19 And it's very interesting that Jose Gonzalez was working

Speaker 19 up there in the territory at the same time as Bruiser Brody. And

Speaker 19 as the legend goes, that's when Brody was getting a push and Gonzalez was not really, Brody beat the shit out of him on a TV taping, and we've all heard that story.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 Dominic DiNucci filling in for Haystax Calhoun,

Speaker 19 because DiNucci

Speaker 19 was from Pittsburgh, and at that point of his career was

Speaker 19 on the way winding down, but was still a name that could fill in for Haystax, who was on his,

Speaker 19 he was winding down at that point as well. And

Speaker 19 Ivan Putsky against Akbar, Bruno is on top with Hansen.

Speaker 19 So this has to be 1976.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 by the size of the card, it's either got to be

Speaker 19 the Madison Square Garden or the Philadelphia Spectrum.

Speaker 19 One would think, possibly the Boston Garden.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 19 I'm going to go with Madison Square Garden just because fuck it. 1976.

Speaker 2 The date, Saturday, August 7th, 1976,

Speaker 2 Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 19 There you go.

Speaker 2 And I think we're going to end with this program because you got everything right. So I don't want to

Speaker 2 ruin that feeling.

Speaker 19 I'm a mojo now. Let me leave on top.
Let me do a Costanza.

Speaker 19 And that was, of course, that was the rematch from

Speaker 19 the Ollianoke stadium match with Hansen and Bruno.

Speaker 19 What was that, June 25th or 26th? Was the date on that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you say Ali Anoki, although the people who went there to see it went to see Bruno and Hansen have the big match after Bruno broke his neck.

Speaker 2 Did you ever hear the audio that Bill Apter has of him and Bruno? I think like sitting in the Mets dugout at Shea Stadium.

Speaker 19 Yes, watching Ali and Anoki. Yes, I've heard some of it.
Bill released some of it sometime back.

Speaker 2 It's great. The whole time Bruno was just disgusted with Juan.
He's like, look at this. What is this crap? What is it?

Speaker 19 What is he doing? He should take him down.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I mean, beyond it being shit, especially for 1976 Eyes, you got to remember Bruno was incredibly loyal to the giant Baba.

Speaker 2 He wouldn't do anything with Anoki, even to the point where Vince Sr. had his deal with Anoki.
It was around Bruno. Bruno wouldn't work there.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Because Bruno had

Speaker 19 become friends with Baba when Baba toured the United States from, what, 61 to 63? And they had worked in the garden. They'd worked in Toronto.

Speaker 19 And Bruno, whenever he went to Japan, he went for Baba only.

Speaker 19 They were very close friends, but he was also mortified that Anoki wasn't doing a better job of representing the wrestling business than to.

Speaker 19 And of course, I'm sure that they hadn't shared at that point with Bruno all the problems with the finish, but I can see Bruno's agenda. Take him down.
Double leg him.

Speaker 2 Well, that was guest the program here for this edition, and we'll certainly do more soon because the pile is growing and it's always a good time.

Speaker 19 Oh, I forgot this is my show, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Yes, that was all.

Speaker 19 In that case, it's over before you go any further. Hey, everybody, come back and see us next time.
Until then, thank you. Fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.

Speaker 2 Got the experience, yeah.

Speaker 2 Jim Cornette

Speaker 2 of Jim Connet