Episode 605: Turning The Heat On

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Speaker 3 He's in a fight for wrestling solar using a racket and some mind controller. He's Jim Cornette

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Speaker 3 Hello again, everybody, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Jim Cornette Experience.

Speaker 6 I can't tell you that this is going to be the best show we've ever done, but I can

Speaker 6 give you a full-throated promise promise that it will be more exciting than all the wrestling TV we watched this past week.

Speaker 6 And joining me for all this and more, Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting line, the king of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr. Co-host to you.
He's never boring, but often morose.

Speaker 6 Be great, Brian last, everybody.

Speaker 7 Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again.
I sound shit. I hear it.
Pleasure to be here. We're going to have a good time.
It's your show. Tigada.

Speaker 6 You know, there's a lot of people with the yo-yo virus going around. Have you heard about this?

Speaker 6 It's where one member of the family gets sick, and then by the time they get over it, they've transferred it to the other members of the various family.

Speaker 6 And by the time that they all get over it, it's yo-yoed back around to the original person. But it's got even better this time

Speaker 6 because it's got a chance to work up some muscles and do some push-ups. I saw that on the news the other day.

Speaker 6 I'll tell you, it's cold here,

Speaker 6 it is freezing. It was actually freezing this morning on the castle grounds.
It was 32 degrees this morning. Now,

Speaker 6 they measure the temperature in Louisville at the airport. Nobody lives at the fucking airport, and it's always several degrees warmer there, I think, because of the fucking jet fuel.

Speaker 6 But right here,

Speaker 6 it officially froze. And Brian, I have done,

Speaker 6 I turned the heat on.

Speaker 6 I always feel like in the winter time,

Speaker 6 when you first have to do that, it's like admitting defeat.

Speaker 6 It's like,

Speaker 6 all right.

Speaker 6 And it's not only,

Speaker 6 it's wasting propane.

Speaker 6 But also,

Speaker 6 it's admitting defeat.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I turned the heat on lightly.

Speaker 7 Defeat to who?

Speaker 6 Defeat to the fucking forces of Mother Nature, where you've turned the goddamn heat on. You've had to resort to this.

Speaker 6 You don't feel that way?

Speaker 7 I mean, I try to not turn it on until I absolutely have to. Usually it starts with some cold nights, and I have to turn it on.
I don't see it as me fighting Mother Nature.

Speaker 6 Well, no, it's a goddamn contest.

Speaker 7 It's more like fighting the electric company and the heating company than it is Mother Nature.

Speaker 6 Well, and that's true. That's true.
But it's team holdout.

Speaker 6 What it is.

Speaker 7 Is Stacy on this team or does she tell you to turn it on before you do?

Speaker 6 No, she willy-nilly just turns on heat or air at different points, and then it gets warm during the day. And you say, oh, the heat's on or the air on or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 6 She see, I'm looking at the long run

Speaker 6 because if I turn the heat on, then during the day it's going to get stuffy.

Speaker 6 But then if I don't turn the heat on at night, it's going to get cold. And then what parts of the house do I turn the heat on?

Speaker 6 Because I'm not going to heat the whole office up here just to sit up here for four hours and then go back to signing books.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I've got to make these decisions and it's complicated.

Speaker 7 What's the temperature in the office?

Speaker 7 What's the temperature in the office?

Speaker 6 This morning it was 62.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's way too cold.

Speaker 6 Well, yes, but then I set the heat on 65, which is sort of a middle ground, and it'll warm it up a little bit so I couldn't see my breath.

Speaker 6 But then when the sun has come out and shone through the windows, it's 66 and the heat won't blow. So now the 66 is chillier than it was when it was 64 with the heat on.

Speaker 6 We went through this last winter.

Speaker 6 It's a complicated mathematical equation, and it also had also the dew point.

Speaker 6 Do you realize what the dew point is in my office right now?

Speaker 7 In your office? No.

Speaker 6 Well, you should, then you'd understand what I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 Well, what is it?

Speaker 6 I'm not going to tell you now. You don't know.

Speaker 6 Well, I can't see the indicator.

Speaker 7 Do you have a dew point indicator in your office?

Speaker 6 As far as you know, I do.

Speaker 6 Anyway, the point is

Speaker 6 we're going to try to muddle through here under these horrible atmospheric conditions.

Speaker 6 And we got a lot of things to talk about. It's, it's, uh, do you know

Speaker 6 that as we sit here, not when the people hear this, but as we sit here recording it,

Speaker 6 today would have been my father's 111th birthday.

Speaker 7 Oh, wow.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 obviously,

Speaker 6 that's not a life expectancy that you would,

Speaker 6 you would expect most people. That's why they call it expectancy, expect most people to have, but it would have been his 111th birthday.

Speaker 6 And boy, howdy, I can't imagine what he would think about.

Speaker 6 anything

Speaker 6 currently going on in the world today.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what would he think about the newspaper newspaper business right now?

Speaker 6 Oh, gee, he would think it was a pamphlet advertising the real newspaper.

Speaker 6 I actually laid my hands on a newspaper the other day when I was standing waiting for the woman at Walgreens to be able to figure out how to open up her station.

Speaker 6 And it's like

Speaker 6 the old Memphis programs.

Speaker 6 The six pages with the fucking insert in the middle, there's your newspaper. No wonder people are

Speaker 6 fucking ignorant to what's happening in the world

Speaker 6 but yeah and the courier journal has been bought by the usa today people also a number of years ago all this happened and it's merged into a conglomerate instead of

Speaker 6 as it once was the independent

Speaker 6 independently owned, locally owned and leading newspaper in the fucking state. It's part of the USA Today chain.

Speaker 7 Yeah, unfortunately, the business realities have turned the newspaper into kind of what the dream was it would always be, just all this stuff with no advertising.

Speaker 7 If you look at a newspaper from, I mean, even 15 years ago, 20 years ago, but let alone 50 or 60 years ago, stuffed with advertising. I mean, that's why it was so thick.
It's all gone.

Speaker 7 All that advertising money is out the window.

Speaker 6 Well, and that's actually, for all the people out there who say, we don't care,

Speaker 6 that's actually the reason why that we have a good percentage of the recorded history of professional wrestling in the 20th century.

Speaker 6 Because not only the newspaper coverage, but every promotion bought an ad in the newspaper, people, anybody, any wrestling fan that's been on

Speaker 6 a fan for any length of time or been on social media or seen any of my books, whatever,

Speaker 6 has seen the wrestling ads and they listed the card. And

Speaker 6 my God,

Speaker 6 there's kids that probably haven't heard about this now that I'm thinking about it, aren't there?

Speaker 6 Every week, that's how I used to find out what I was doing in Memphis on Monday nights

Speaker 6 before they actually told me.

Speaker 6 On

Speaker 6 Friday nights, after the town, whether it was Tupelo.

Speaker 6 or whatever spot show I was at

Speaker 6 in the Memphis territory. When I first got into business, my habitual routine was I would go back to Memphis,

Speaker 6 and before I did anything else, I would stop at a newspaper box on the corner of,

Speaker 6 oh, God,

Speaker 6 it was

Speaker 6 Summer Avenue and something. I can't remember, but there was a little shopping center, and it had a newspaper box.
And the

Speaker 6 late night,

Speaker 6 the early Saturday morning paper in those days would be delivered by in the boxes by like 11 o'clock or midnight or whatever the fuck it was.

Speaker 6 And there's an ad for the Monday night matches.

Speaker 6 And you couldn't trust the main event all the time because this was before TV and they sometimes would false book

Speaker 6 a main event and then change it based on an angle on TV.

Speaker 6 But they would have the entire card listed. And I would be able to see what my guys were doing

Speaker 6 before I

Speaker 6 got to TV the next morning and they told me. And then I'd head over to Shoni's, also on Summer Avenue, because they had the all-you-can-eat breakfast bar till 2 a.m.

Speaker 6 for like $4.99.

Speaker 6 And they would lose money on bacon by the time I got out of there.

Speaker 6 And, but that's what they did in every

Speaker 6 territory all over the country: they put ads in the local paper with the

Speaker 6 card and the fucking details of where it was and what the time was, bell time, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 And that's how all this stuff has been able to be recreated in modern times: who was where,

Speaker 6 who was champion, who was wrestling who, and who did what.

Speaker 6 Newspaper advertising.

Speaker 7 You know, it's interesting back then,

Speaker 7 you know, basically up until at least the 80s.

Speaker 7 I could even say the 90s. I think the internet's really the thing that killed it more than anything.
And that's smartphones.

Speaker 7 But like, you would see the smartest person and the dumbest person reading the newspaper. Yes.
You know, because whatever it was, if you liked sports, every box score would be there for baseball.

Speaker 7 Eventually for me, that was like a moment where I was like, do I really need to buy the paper physically anymore if they don't even have the updated sports in there?

Speaker 7 The website does, but they don't.

Speaker 7 But everyone used to see it, whether it was help wanted ads.

Speaker 7 I mean, that was the primary source of finding new jobs

Speaker 7 forever. And it's not even in the equation anymore.

Speaker 6 It was what's for sale. What's, you know, I'm looking to buy, or big sale at this department store, or gas gas station.
Every business of any description in town,

Speaker 6 they had

Speaker 6 for years it was newspapers. And as we mentioned, that's why a lot of the newspapers before the television era are the most valuable to wrestling history.

Speaker 6 But then you had radio and you had television. And that was what you had for decades and decades.
So

Speaker 6 that was the way you got the word out.

Speaker 6 But you know, now we have the internet, Brian.

Speaker 6 You you know what we've gotten the word out about quite well from what i've been able to um ascertain now based on the evidence we've gotten the word out about my new fucking book

Speaker 6 the word is out and we're almost out of the books

Speaker 6 folks again

Speaker 6 heroes and friends you can go to jimcornet.com and click on the the banner there on the home page and it it gives you the information on what's involved.

Speaker 6 But if you've already got skin in this game, and many of you do, because we've had a kind of unprecedented response,

Speaker 6 we have sold almost

Speaker 6 as we're sitting here speaking, Brian, we got like 300 of this thing left on the print run. And

Speaker 6 so, yes, we are trying to make a decision.

Speaker 6 Hotchkiss and I, more me than Hotchkiss, honestly, we're negotiating on how many thousand more copies we need to get to get the same wholesale price that we had. But the issue now

Speaker 6 is: if you want this thing by Christmas, and I'm happy that everybody's going to see this thing eventually,

Speaker 6 and I'm over the moon, as Adrian Street would say about the response, but I'm not trying to strong arm you out of your money.

Speaker 6 But if you want this thing, any chance of getting it by Christmas, please order as soon as you are physically available to do so. Because, Brian,

Speaker 6 I said on the last show,

Speaker 6 I I got 450,

Speaker 6 the first 450 orders all packed up and ready for Hotchkiss to pick up and slap the label on them and put them in the system and send them along their way.

Speaker 6 And he came over and he picked them up and we loaded them in the car. He said, Now, here's the orders from the last four days, and there were 380 of them.

Speaker 6 That was on top of the first week's orders.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 I had a net gain of 70.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 since he picked these up, I've done like a couple hundred more and got a couple hundred more orders. And I figured out that right now,

Speaker 6 if I sign

Speaker 6 and hand over to him 100 books a day for the next three weeks, I will catch up to the orders I have right now.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 that's a long-winded way of saying, folks, I'm behind. Everybody's going to get everything.

Speaker 6 But if you want it as Christmas presents or just to see it quick,

Speaker 6 and quick is used loosely there, please go ahead and order now

Speaker 6 because this is getting hectic. But I can't wait for people to actually see it in their hands and hopefully give it good reviews where

Speaker 6 people will want it.

Speaker 6 I'm at the far end of my tether, Brian, and my thoughts are running clear together. And I sleep light or whatever because the night goes on forever.
That's a deep album cut.

Speaker 6 That's what that one is.

Speaker 6 Look it up, kids.

Speaker 6 Oh, that's

Speaker 6 speaking of deep. Have you figured out where you're going to dig the hole to bury that thing yet?

Speaker 7 Oh, no, it doesn't. It stopped working.
Hold on.

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Speaker 6 And here's the thing: there are also

Speaker 6 action figures and t-shirts, and all the action figures are on sale at various discounts, and the t-shirts are available, and the new autographed pictures, and all the variety of things.

Speaker 6 But the book is just becoming very popular. And

Speaker 6 we sold out of the second shipment of Wrestling in the Garden books by Scott Teal on the Madison Square Garden history. So he has kindly

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So if you want that book also, it is still available while supplies last again.

Speaker 6 We're selling more books than Amazon over here.

Speaker 6 We need some truck driving. Do you know any truck drivers?

Speaker 7 I have some friends at the union that could help you out, maybe.

Speaker 6 Can they now, but I heard a lot of times stuff falls off their trucks.

Speaker 7 I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 You don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 My uncle Tommy used to bring home every once in a while to Aunt Lola a box with like a thing of

Speaker 6 Windex, and

Speaker 6 I don't want to say all any more specific product names, but like a window cleaner or a toilet cleaner or some goddamn, I think even breakfast cereal.

Speaker 6 And when I was little, I didn't

Speaker 6 understand what was happening, but apparently, there sometimes every once in a while something would fall. He worked at a plant where they loaded and shipped all this stuff from that they

Speaker 6 sent out to the various grocery stores.

Speaker 6 And every once in a while, something might fall off the truck, and the guys that loaded things got to take it home so they'd have to buy shit to clean with or eat with.

Speaker 6 So that was a nice little perk of having a shitty job, apparently, in those days. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Nevertheless, speaking of a shitty job,

Speaker 6 we've been talking about broken femurs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I know you've talked about a many, you know, you were just having dinner with the kids last night talking about various broken femurs.

Speaker 6 But we got a couple of emails from people who have experience so we can put the femur matter to rest

Speaker 6 because it's been femur fever.

Speaker 6 As

Speaker 6 you looked up that some professional athletes came back in six or nine months and somebody else was out for a number of years. Poor old Cota Abushi.

Speaker 6 He's saying it's going to be a year or two. So we got testimony here.
Would you like to hear some experienced medical professionals at first?

Speaker 7 Yeah, let's hear something because the only thing we know is that Kodo Bushi broke his leg in that spot with Josh Alexander, and now he's going to be out for two years.

Speaker 6 Well, this is from Jeremy in Dayton, Ohio.

Speaker 6 And he is apparently an experienced medical professional.

Speaker 6 The femur is the longest and heaviest bone in the human body and is one of the strongest bones in the body as well. Having worked in the ICU of a level one trauma center,

Speaker 6 I can say that most of the femur fractures I have seen come from motor vehicle collisions where the driver or passenger goes forward, striking the point of the knee into the dashboard at a high rate of speed, or in the elderly who have fallen.

Speaker 6 Due to its immense strength, fractures of the femur are exceedingly rare with an average of 10 to 21 per 100,000 people per year.

Speaker 6 So this is a major

Speaker 6 fuck up that you has happened or that, you know, can happen, but it doesn't happen that often. And it makes sense that when

Speaker 6 Ibushi was falling, he was like doing a splash to the floor and the rail was under his face.

Speaker 6 So when he caught the rail

Speaker 6 with his hands to protect his face, it spun his legs around and his knees landed on the goddamn concrete. So

Speaker 6 that explains that.

Speaker 7 Or it gives you a real opportunity when he comes back to do something special that's never been done before.

Speaker 7 A sympathetic babyface who is the man with brittle bones.

Speaker 7 The baby face you always have to worry about. You always have to hope someone will protect him.
But he somehow overcomes the odds and wins the match before he gets injured again.

Speaker 7 Never been done.

Speaker 6 Well, I think they're doing it.

Speaker 6 I think we may already be into it. And this is just Al from Kenosha, Wisconsin, who is not a doctor and states that his medical knowledge is of the bare minimum that is required by himself.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 a couple of years ago, his daughter was involved in a car accident that totaled both vehicles, and she broke her femur in the process.

Speaker 6 They had to surgically insert a metal rod in her leg to help heal the bone.

Speaker 6 She didn't get it removed until a year later, and the doctor told her it would be nine to 12 months to fully recover after that.

Speaker 6 She doesn't have the incredible and legendary DNA that a bushi has, but it took her about a year to feel mostly comfortable.

Speaker 6 And now, you know, cold weather bothers her, but it did take

Speaker 6 about a full two years to be able to

Speaker 6 operate her injured leg without constant pain.

Speaker 6 So, with a bushy's history of detachable legs and their connected bones falling apart, I'm not sure he'll even be close to the less than stellar ability he's had the last five years compared to his younger days.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 What have they all got to perch on a top rope for?

Speaker 7 You know, it's amazing that there really haven't been more broken femurs in wrestling, especially in the past when you had older guys still wrestling and just from a bump, just as they got older.

Speaker 7 You never heard about this until Ibushi.

Speaker 6 Well, because the older guys were falling from much high, much

Speaker 6 lower places,

Speaker 6 sometimes even crumpling a la Ox Baker to the ground because they realized what

Speaker 6 the fuck might happen.

Speaker 7 Do you think they might happen? Do you think the rings are too soft? I don't know if this is related to what because a bushi fell to the floor.

Speaker 7 Just do you think that the fact that the rings are so soft encourages people to do things that they wouldn't have done in the past on those harder rings?

Speaker 6 Well, no, the rings,

Speaker 6 the rings in AEW

Speaker 6 or most indies

Speaker 6 that that I see on television are

Speaker 6 no

Speaker 6 more bump worthy than the good rings of the territories were, except they got better padding. But I mean, as far as the give,

Speaker 6 that's fine. Vince is the one that had the concrete bullshit through the 80s and well into

Speaker 6 the late 90s.

Speaker 6 But it's

Speaker 6 no, it's not about the ring that they're bumping on now is not appreciably different in terms of give and how it's going to affect the overall impact of the bump

Speaker 6 than

Speaker 6 a real good territory ring was in the 80s or the Smogy Mountain ring was in the 90s.

Speaker 6 It just, they have cleaner canvases and better padding.

Speaker 6 And I'm not going to say that the.

Speaker 6 turnbuckles aren't sometimes protected better or whatever, but the point is,

Speaker 6 when you get scoop slammed and you land,

Speaker 6 there's no appreciable difference between a good ring now and a good ring 30, 40 years ago.

Speaker 6 So it's not like somebody just said, oh, God, now I can fly like the wind. It feels like I'm floating in and landing in a cloud.

Speaker 6 A lot of them are in better shape and they have to be because they're taking more of these fucking bumps.

Speaker 6 But also a lot of them are smaller and they have to be because they're taking more of these fucking bumps.

Speaker 7 Well, get well soon, Coda.

Speaker 6 Well, there's some other people while we're talking about it that we

Speaker 6 may have send get well wishes to. There's been a

Speaker 6 literal

Speaker 6 A to Z of the pro wrestling business

Speaker 6 is in various new positions. I've been inundated by people since we talked about

Speaker 6 Jon Moxley's last

Speaker 6 jackass episode that he had with Darvey and the stuff he did on television, whatever.

Speaker 6 And I talked about his admiration for the bank addicted drug robber Nick Gage. And I have a bunch of people who said

Speaker 6 they just his

Speaker 6 former, I guess former friend, current friend, but they don't work together anymore. The guy that runs garbage championship wrestling, the GCW fellow,

Speaker 6 apparently said, just because everybody's asking me,

Speaker 6 no,

Speaker 6 Nick Gage is not going to appear at any shows upcoming because he's in rehab, has been for a while, expects to be there indefinitely.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 at the same time,

Speaker 6 I don't,

Speaker 6 are you just supposed to tell people when your friends are in rehab, but when they when it's news to them, are you just supposed to blurt it out in public?

Speaker 6 And secondly,

Speaker 6 he hadn't apparently,

Speaker 6 I guess, he'd been on the outs with the guy anyway because he hadn't worked for him for a while in the middle of

Speaker 6 being in you know in or out of rehab because he was in rehab last year too.

Speaker 6 But we we need to acknowledge that. Everybody say, well, at least he's trying to turn his life around.

Speaker 7 Good for him. It would be funny if he came out of rehab and denounced garbage wrestling.
You know, I realize now the error of my ways. I like to reinvent myself.

Speaker 7 But, you know, good for him, though. Getting better.
And who knows if he got, if he gave permission for the promoter to make the public announcement or not.

Speaker 6 But that's, you know, but also, and I'm not going to tear the guy down. And

Speaker 6 here's the thing. If he wants to get better at not be in a wrestling business more power to him from me too

Speaker 6 my only problem was that he was in a wrestling business and it was an embarrassment and

Speaker 6 i don't truthfully know

Speaker 6 whether any type of substance abuse had anything to do with what he was doing

Speaker 6 but what he was doing

Speaker 6 whether he was on caffeine or fucking anything was still embarrassing to the wrestling business, but it's not

Speaker 6 again, it's not all his fault when you look at it because

Speaker 6 you got a guy that obviously either has issues or, as we've said, and this is not a revelation, doesn't come off to be that bright to begin with.

Speaker 6 Why is there somebody that says, okay, I'll pay you to come over here and use can openers on people

Speaker 6 or whatever the fuck is going on

Speaker 6 and fall through furniture and

Speaker 6 bleed in barbed wire and do whatever the fuck it is these people do.

Speaker 6 You know, at some point,

Speaker 6 there's athletic commissions all over the place, and I know these types try to skirt the athletic commissions,

Speaker 6 but is this even athletic anymore? Or is this some kind of goddamn,

Speaker 6 you know, audience participation, Rocky horror picture show gone wrong with injuries

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 some just city statute needs to regulate, whether it's wrestling or, you know, roller derby with goddamn razor blades on your fucking elbow pads or whatever.

Speaker 6 Can this even be

Speaker 6 relegated to an athletic commission anymore, Brian, is my question.

Speaker 7 Maybe a circus commission

Speaker 7 that does all the things that are in athletic endeavors that are just involving shows in front of people? I really don't know. I mean, this isn't a new discussion.

Speaker 7 You know, going back to everything Ian Rotten did that got in trouble with the Kentucky State Athletic Commission. I mean, that's what, 25 years ago, maybe even a little more, somewhere in that range.

Speaker 7 It's not a new thing. You know, that company that Nick Gage worked for travels around, does a show here, a show show there, a lot of shows in Jersey.

Speaker 6 That's the easiest way to stay ahead of the authorities.

Speaker 7 I'm always surprised there's any audience for that stuff, but I don't think it's a relatively big.

Speaker 7 I mean, the audience for this show, for us talking about it, is bigger than the audience interested in it.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, but it's a subculture, but the problem is it gets lumped in with pro-wrestling, and you see

Speaker 6 the mug shot from when he robbed the bank, pro-wrestler robs bank.

Speaker 6 Or, yeah, pro wrestlers in rehab again.

Speaker 6 And by the way, you know, I'd be more inclined to support his efforts if this apparently wasn't the first, or not the first, but wasn't the number of times.

Speaker 6 It wasn't the first time he's been in rehab. That's happened before.
And wouldn't you think when after he went to prison for robbing a bank 10 years ago or whatever, it might have been

Speaker 6 ring-a-ling on the alarm clock. But nevertheless,

Speaker 6 that's what pro wrestling gets the

Speaker 6 stigma of this guy when you see him coming out with the no teeth and the piece of screaming and the baseball bats and barbed wire and things.

Speaker 6 And there's obviously something going on with him personally, whether which came first, CTE, chicken, or the egg, I don't know.

Speaker 6 But that's

Speaker 6 the whole bunch of these people that think that they're proving something somehow by

Speaker 6 mutilating themselves and slicing themselves up in these low-level,

Speaker 6 low-budget, indie

Speaker 6 things

Speaker 6 to be wrestlers because they can't make it any other way. That's my issue with these people.
And the people who

Speaker 6 allow it to go on and foster that

Speaker 6 subculture.

Speaker 6 But we wish him well, don't we, Brian?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I hope he gets better and rehab. Hopefully it works.
And if he wants to come back to wrestling, I'm telling you, come back. Your gimmick is you're a wrestling reformer.
You come back.

Speaker 7 First thing ever you do, you say, I watched Moxley and Darby, and gosh darn it, they've gone too far.

Speaker 7 And I'm changed my ways. I've thrown away my pizza cutter.
And now I want to change wrestling. And then every match when people pull out tables and stuff, he gets rid of all the weapons.

Speaker 6 He could use a spatula as like a fly swatter. Just to smack the back of their hand.

Speaker 7 A ruler. Like a teacher.
He gets a ruler. And when someone goes to do something, he smacks them with the ruler.

Speaker 6 Well, no, but see, I was going from pizza cutter to spatula. See, I'm staying in the food fucking space, as the kids say.

Speaker 7 I didn't realize that was a part of the thing. You wanted to, I mean, it was a weapon.
It was more about the weapon space than the food space.

Speaker 6 Well, but see, it's still the genre of

Speaker 6 utensil, but it would be lightened up a little bit.

Speaker 6 So, I still like my simile better.

Speaker 6 Well, fans just vote in spatula or rule.

Speaker 7 Yes.

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Speaker 6 But anyway,

Speaker 6 and also we

Speaker 6 want to send get well wishes, apparently, because I guess now he's in a hospital, Abdullah the Butcher.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 a lot of people are going to say, well, you just cussed Nick Gage all over the place.

Speaker 6 And Abdullah the Butcher was the wild and the crazy and the bloody guy and whatever, the blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 And at least Abdullah the Butcher drew money, as I said to Ole Anderson one time. But besides that.

Speaker 7 Where is that money? I want it.

Speaker 7 Wicked Officia says it's mine.

Speaker 6 He's back, ladies and gentlemen. It's slow, Devin.

Speaker 7 Oh,

Speaker 7 I'm coming to the hospital.

Speaker 6 He had his blood replaced, I'll have you know.

Speaker 7 That's right.

Speaker 6 But anyway,

Speaker 6 as far as Abdullah, in a what, Brian, from the time that he started working in the, was it the mid or even the early 60s, maybe, in his first matches,

Speaker 6 in the 50 years of his active career,

Speaker 6 he got the reputation, obviously, for the blood and the gore.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 it worked because, A, nobody else was doing it or allowed to do it except the Sheikh.

Speaker 6 And the only time, remember, the only time the Sheik and Abdullah ever got together was in Sheikh's territory when he would bring in his like doppelganger or in Japan where they were like, oh, this will be, it'll be crazy.

Speaker 7 The tag team with the worst work rate of all time. The sheikh, yeah.

Speaker 6 It was the freak show thing, and it worked for a while.

Speaker 6 But point being,

Speaker 6 it was the only time that they saw anything like that. He was the

Speaker 6 version of the sheik that could go to the other territories because shei didn't have time and et cetera. And he adopted his own persona.

Speaker 6 But you couldn't, you didn't have multiple people on a show doing all this stuff. That's what, and also

Speaker 6 same thing with the chic formula. If he was going to be a crazy guy and it was wild blood, he was in and out in six or seven minutes.
But Abby could work too.

Speaker 6 And when he was, when it was called for, especially when he was with somebody that

Speaker 6 either deserved it or might just expect it and he, you know, Andre, whatever.

Speaker 6 He could take bumps. He could get slammed.
He could get monkey flipped. And when he was motivated he was he was there but it was a he looked the part

Speaker 6 and it was an incredible

Speaker 6 monster gimmick

Speaker 6 that again you know whether it was a special mystery partner or a bounty hunter or whatever he lived in georgia so he spent a lot of time in georgia but he went out a lot because he knew he couldn't be in a territory,

Speaker 6 even a weekly or a monthly territory for years and years, it would have killed him.

Speaker 6 So he went all over because that way he stayed in attraction.

Speaker 6 But apparently now he's in the hospital and he's 84. Brian,

Speaker 6 well, you saw Abby in the 90s live.

Speaker 6 I saw Abby in the 70s live. If you'd have told me looking at that man in the 1970s that 50 years later he will still be alive.

Speaker 6 I would have said you're out of your mind.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 he's 84, that I guess he admits to.

Speaker 6 So that's incredible.

Speaker 6 Just on a, how often does a guy

Speaker 6 get to be 400 pounds for 50 years of his life and make it to the mid 80s?

Speaker 7 Yeah, smoking cigars.

Speaker 7 Bad diet.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I was about to say a diet on the road that probably wasn't the healthiest,

Speaker 6 even when he wasn't eating at his house of chicken and ribs.

Speaker 7 My first exposure to Abdullah the Butcher as a kid was Fun Babyface Abdul the Butcher in 1990 with Captain Mike Rotunda and Norman the Lunatic.

Speaker 6 Yes.

Speaker 7 What a team that was. What a group.
You want to talk about groups as bad as the conglomeration and AEW. At least these people had some stars like Abdullah, but what a group.

Speaker 7 Mike Rotunda rotunda as a boat captain with norman the lunatic and abdullah the butcher but i'll tell you what abby was one of those guys

Speaker 6 in the 70s and i still got to see it someplace because i he was with crockett in 85 we were there got to work with him on cards on a number of occasions

Speaker 6 And in some places, he could still do it, but as he would raise the fucking tension level in the room when he came out,

Speaker 6 it was like people tensed up, and you didn't know what between the look on his face and the size of him and the

Speaker 6 overall shit that he did.

Speaker 6 People gave even the marks that might want to take a poke at some of the heels gave him a lot of fucking room because they didn't know what the fuck was going to go on.

Speaker 6 And if he was doing the thing where he just came in and it was crazy, then

Speaker 6 it was seven minutes and the people were fucking whooping.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 he had a presence that people were scared of

Speaker 6 in those days. And

Speaker 6 it was the way that he,

Speaker 6 you know, just transformed into Abdullah the Butcher is going to be an Abbey. Hello? Abby in the back.

Speaker 7 You know, he had this talent where you would watch him like shuffling around.

Speaker 7 And he was really good at having like this look on his face where you believed he was kind of

Speaker 7 not slow, but just like there was something off with this man.

Speaker 7 And he had this ability to be shuffling out there with that look and just all of a sudden like rush and move quick to the point you're like, oh my God, this guy's crazy.

Speaker 7 He was really good at playing that role. You know, when I saw him in 1990,

Speaker 7 91, he was electrocuted at Halloween Havoc.

Speaker 6 Oh, God, I know.

Speaker 7 I hated that. But I never, I never really thought about it, but I never could have guessed his age because he always looked younger than he was if you were just exposed to him.

Speaker 6 Well, and he never changed where he,

Speaker 6 if you looked at pictures side by side from the 60s and 70s to the 90s, you could tell, but to the,

Speaker 6 unless you looked at him all the time, he would always look the same.

Speaker 6 And that was.

Speaker 6 You know, except when he added scars, which added to the, to the whole presentation, as they say.

Speaker 6 And that, again, the elbow drop, the meat cleaver, that was the most believable fucking finish move in wrestling.

Speaker 6 Because especially as he got even heavier, when not only it would be the elbow, but one of those mud flaps that would come down home. But he didn't hurt anybody.

Speaker 6 He could move.

Speaker 7 He was the guy, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 7 that the Georgia office used to get Tommy Rich over.

Speaker 7 Tommy Rich came in and Abdullah beat him and bloodied him up and you know, young Tommy Rich bleeding, that was what his, you know, that was, that was his business for several years after that.

Speaker 7 And then he said, I need another shot, I could beat him. And I think they did it again.
He got beat up and bloodied.

Speaker 7 I need another shot, I could beat him. And finally, he beat him.
And that led to Tommy Rich being one of the biggest babyface stars ever in Georgia.

Speaker 6 Ever in the business. At that point in time where the superstation was just starting to take off, Tommy Rich was the babyface in the the business.
Remember, Terry Funk told a story.

Speaker 6 He knew cable was going to kill all the territories when they were at a West Texas town, had some of the guys from Atlanta, including Tommy Rich. He got out of the car,

Speaker 6 Terry, and Tommy Rich, and one of the other top babyfaces in Texas, and the people ran to Tommy Rich in like Amarillo. And he was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 6 But that was, and it was

Speaker 6 Tommy Rich learned how to babyface.

Speaker 6 He was from Tennessee. He got in the business because his parents knew Jerry Jarrett, and he

Speaker 6 debuted right after he graduated high school. I saw like his maybe fourth or fifth fucking match, I think.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 he learned from Tojo Yamamoto. He learned from Jerry Jarrett.
He learned he had an early program with Lawler for the Southern title when he'd been working like maybe a year.

Speaker 6 The formula was he was a young, likable,

Speaker 6 teenage still country boy, just happened to be six foot two and 230 pounds or whatever,

Speaker 6 with the blonde hair and the cute face and the all shucks, but he could fire up.

Speaker 6 And you beat the shit out of him, and he sold his ass off. And he knew how to sell.
And he was selling like Ricky Morton a couple of years for Ricky Morton.

Speaker 6 And Ricky Morton took it to the next level. But Tommy, he would bleed and he'd sell and he looked like he's crying.

Speaker 6 And he'd just on, and then he would somehow on the verge of death, he would come out with a Fez press and win the fucking thing. People go insane.

Speaker 6 And they did

Speaker 6 similar things with him in Tennessee getting started where they just beat on him and beat on him, but he wouldn't quit. He kept coming back.

Speaker 6 And then they transferred that to the ultimate with Abdullah, this giant guy that comes out and eats raw fucking chicken or whatever on the air, suddenly savaging this.

Speaker 6 He was only 20 at that point, 20, maybe 21.

Speaker 6 And it worked. And the women love Tommy Rich, especially he's the one that started the

Speaker 6 young girl revolution in Georgia wrestling.

Speaker 7 Well, get well, Abdullah.

Speaker 6 Abdullah, who never started a young girl revolution in any wrestling, but helped to, in effect.

Speaker 6 Have you heard what one of our old favorites now, Brian, is doing for a living? And bravo to him. I'm going to applaud him

Speaker 6 for real, actually, instead of sarcastically.

Speaker 6 But Marco Stunt

Speaker 6 is selling cars now. Did you hear about this?

Speaker 7 I couldn't avoid avoid this because a ton of listeners, when they saw, there was a video of him announcing that he's selling cars and doing his new gig, people

Speaker 7 just sent it to us non-stop. And I think they sent it thinking, make fun of this.

Speaker 7 I felt happy for him. Yes.
Look, he looks clean. He looks like he has a good job, maybe a future.

Speaker 6 Good for him.

Speaker 6 He's not breaking his leg. And also, everybody prospers.
He's got a job where he's not going to break his bones and we don't have to watch him wrestle.

Speaker 6 But yeah, the video he even talks about,

Speaker 6 you know, I used to be a wrestler and get thrown around, but now I'm throwing around great deals. I mean, you know,

Speaker 6 bravo again.

Speaker 6 Here's the thing:

Speaker 6 it was embarrassing to wrestling that it was made phony

Speaker 6 and silly by having this

Speaker 6 small fellow

Speaker 6 working competitively and doing all the tricks and all the bullshit with the real legitimate wrestlers.

Speaker 6 I didn't say he's going to be a car salesman. I have no goddamn beef with car salesmen of all shapes and sizes.

Speaker 6 It doesn't make my business look phony. So,

Speaker 6 Bravo, Marco.

Speaker 6 But that's the thing is, again,

Speaker 6 there were people who encouraged this guy.

Speaker 6 He had

Speaker 6 the one major injury that he had

Speaker 6 was not in AEW. He was at a bar somewhere in California and did a sunset flip,

Speaker 6 going to do some kind of sunset flip power bomb thing or whatever off of a bar, an actual bar in a bar,

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 overshot and broke his leg on the other side of the thing. Just bam.

Speaker 6 That was not it. But didn't he have an injury in AEW also?

Speaker 6 Or do you even care enough to remember?

Speaker 7 You know, I think so as you say that. I can't remember.
Maybe it was a broken femur. I really don't know.
I don't remember.

Speaker 6 Oh, come on now. Now you got femur on the brain.
You got brain femur.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't know. Remember, they got rid of him.

Speaker 7 He was one of the first guys like that they cut two years in or whatever.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, but now you don't bring him back like that.

Speaker 7 They brought him back to wrestle a heel Jack Perry that one time.

Speaker 6 Well, yes, but you don't have to say they got rid of him.

Speaker 7 No, I don't mean in a bad way.

Speaker 6 They buried him out in the desert.

Speaker 7 The first round, the first group of guys who all of a sudden, around the same period of time, started disappearing from AEW, Jelly, Nutella, Marco stunt.

Speaker 6 The crew where even Tony had to realize that he was led down the primrose path. I can't actually employ these people and put them on television.
Yes, yes. But point being,

Speaker 6 where I was going with that

Speaker 6 before I took the side turn,

Speaker 6 people booked him.

Speaker 6 And yes, he got to be a little

Speaker 6 viral thing on the internet because it was so preposterous. But it's just, that is again,

Speaker 6 along with the Cookamonga Kids, their whole trampoline,

Speaker 6 you know, club

Speaker 6 when there was a subset of

Speaker 6 fans like the deathmatch fans, but the subset of fans that wanted wrestling to be silly and just goofy with the kids playing.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 this kid was going to and did get hurt severely.

Speaker 6 And thankfully, he's realized you can't be 125 pounds and do all this bullshit.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 now I'm happy he's selling cars cars because he's not going to kill himself.

Speaker 6 And I don't have to watch him wrestle. But again, it's these fucking

Speaker 6 amateur want to be outlaw mud show promoters that run their hometowns on their birthdays

Speaker 6 that encourage this kind of thing for the past, what's it been, 10, 15 years now.

Speaker 6 The silliness and the hokiness. because they're the promoting version of the wrestlers in the ring.

Speaker 6 They won't pretend to be these these big-time promoters, but they look like idiots and they don't know what they're doing,

Speaker 6 but they got access to a little money every once in a while.

Speaker 6 And then they book

Speaker 6 various offshoots of what wrestling is supposed to be, like this. And people,

Speaker 6 not only does the business suffer through association, but people get fucking hurt.

Speaker 6 Maybe it's an idea. I'm just going to, one more thing.

Speaker 6 Maybe it's an idea

Speaker 6 if somebody has a long history of repeated substance abuse issues and

Speaker 6 crimes stemming from such,

Speaker 6 or people keep breaking major bones in their bodies over and over, or have bodies that you know it's only a matter of time before they break some of them major bones. Don't book them.

Speaker 7 There's a car dealership near me. Every salesman's like some old guy, and then there's one hot girl.
My question is: do you think Marco Stunt's gimmick is effective for a car salesman?

Speaker 7 If you walk in there to buy a car and this nice-looking little boy comes up to you and says, I'd like to sell you a car, do you think it's an effective sales tool?

Speaker 6 I think he's probably

Speaker 6 a personable little thing

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 again,

Speaker 6 on television and wrestling, to me, came off as a wise ass little prick

Speaker 6 because he was bowing up at all the fucking regular size people.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 either he's a good enough worker or maybe he is just a personal, personable little fellow outside of that.

Speaker 6 If he can transfer that in a little glibness, I think he's going to do better at selling cars than he did at wrestling. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 6 But good heavens. You remember Brother Ernest Angel from Memphis TV?

Speaker 7 Yes, because the real one was Ernest Angely. That was Brother Ernest Angel.
That's right.

Speaker 6 Brother, Reverend Ernest Angely was an 80s, and I think he may. So we talked about him a year or two ago, and somebody said he's still alive.
He was 90-something.

Speaker 6 It looked like a goddamn house of wax.

Speaker 6 But in the 80s, he was a big televangelist. And there was a guy that did a shtick,

Speaker 6 a promo kind of like him, and became a manager in the Memphis territory named Brother Ernest Angel.

Speaker 6 And he did that for a while. And he ended up, and I'm searching now my memory because I've just thought of this.
I can't remember what his real name was. But he ended up being the,

Speaker 6 I don't think he owned it. I can go back and find the paperwork, but I'm not going to take the time.
He was managing or running a car lot in Knoxville.

Speaker 6 When

Speaker 6 Classy Motors wasn't ponying up money at one particular period,

Speaker 6 we did another angle over at his car lot

Speaker 6 and he was a monthly sponsor. But

Speaker 6 he, you know, again.

Speaker 6 He was able to transfer

Speaker 6 doing a promo to selling fucking cars. And he was even smoother than Wayne from Classy Motors.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, Judge Otto Dealer had a great gimmick. I don't know if I'd want to support that man and give him my money.

Speaker 6 Well, see, you'd much rather give your money to Brother Ernest Angel.

Speaker 6 Who'd give you the sense and the feeling with his pleasant voice that he was going to do something good with that money, those proceeds and those fun?

Speaker 7 He was doing the televangelist gimmick on Memphis TV before Bruce Pritchard was doing Brother Love. I think he beat him by a year or so, right?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. Well,

Speaker 6 I mean, there was no similarity.

Speaker 6 Bruce went way over the top with the whole thing, but,

Speaker 6 you know, Brother Ernest Angel was, you know, on Memphis TV, so he had to be more believable than WWF, you know.

Speaker 6 And he didn't need makeup. He was just naturally colored kind of that way.

Speaker 6 All right. Well, before we go any further,

Speaker 6 apparently

Speaker 6 the stars have shined upon us again. Uncle Dave has blessed us with his reviews of the

Speaker 6 most recent AEW pay-per-view

Speaker 6 Wrestle Dream. If you're in a dream that lasts that long, I think it's a medically induced coma.

Speaker 6 But Dave, as he does

Speaker 6 every month, has chosen to rate these things. I'm glad he's not the guy reviewing restaurants or tomain would be as big as the Black Death was in the Middle Ages.

Speaker 6 Oscar's greasy spoon diner, five stars for the clams.

Speaker 6 But Brian, do you have the latest emission?

Speaker 6 I do. So you haven't had those five-star clams?

Speaker 7 I only see these clams here. I can only talk about the clams in front of me.

Speaker 6 Well, you better not clam up about them clams, I'll tell you. You're looking awful clammy, though.

Speaker 7 I'm feeling

Speaker 6 you have

Speaker 6 clams in your lap there from Uncle Dave about the AEW pay-per-view, the star ratings. And

Speaker 6 normally we try to

Speaker 6 go by what his thinking is by each match, but in this case, I will interject with just random thoughts, but I'm going to save my overall comments for the end of this because I'm starting to sense.

Speaker 6 I know you'll find this hard to believe, Brian.

Speaker 6 I'm starting to sense a pattern in some of Uncle Dave's AEW reviews. But go ahead.

Speaker 6 What does he have to say?

Speaker 7 Well, Jim, we will first start with the pre-show, which you and I did not see because we watched the pre-show that they gave us, which was a different pre-show than whatever the other one was with the matches.

Speaker 6 I don't know where that apparently now the pre-show is on TNT.

Speaker 7 On TNT on cable?

Speaker 6 Apparently, now, at least this one was.

Speaker 6 I just heard that. So they got that going for them.

Speaker 7 Did they announce that in advance?

Speaker 6 I don't.

Speaker 6 They announced so many things.

Speaker 6 Is this the show that you have seen in your life that has more graphics and more match announcements and more lists of things to come and et cetera than

Speaker 6 anything you've ever seen before? But nevertheless.

Speaker 7 So let's get to it. AEW Wrestle Dream in St.
Louis. Let's go to this: the opening match from the pre-show, which we did not see.

Speaker 7 Daniel Garcia, Wheeler Yuda, Claudio Castagnoli, and Pac defeated Kyle O'Reilly, Orange Cassidy, Roderick Strong, and Tomo Hero Ishii.

Speaker 7 Four-star match. Well,

Speaker 6 with an all-star lineup like that, why would you expect anything else? So, the

Speaker 6 opening cold eight-man tag for no apparent reason on the pre-show

Speaker 6 equals Ric Flair versus Ricky Steamboat or Shawn Michaels versus The Undertaker. As I said, I'm going to save my comments, but just now that we've established that baseline.

Speaker 7 Well, Jim, that was 15 minutes, 57 seconds. The next match went three minutes and six seconds.
Hook and Eddie Kingston defeated Cole Carter. and Griff Garrison.
There is no rating given to this.

Speaker 7 Not much to this, just a basic TV squash.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 okay, but they went three minutes and

Speaker 6 did something,

Speaker 6 took a bump or two.

Speaker 6 Now, if you don't do enough moves to meet the threshold, he's not even going to rate the match, whether you have a complete match or not.

Speaker 7 We'll see if that happens again. Willow Nightingale and Harley Cameron defeated Megan Bain and Penelope Ford, 12 minutes, 14 seconds,

Speaker 7 two and three-quarter stars.

Speaker 6 Boy, howdy, what did one of their breast implants fall out and fucking land in the first row? How could they possibly score that low on the Meltzer scale?

Speaker 6 Are they not

Speaker 6 friends with anybody?

Speaker 7 I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 But, Jim, the final pre-show match.

Speaker 7 Which I guess is also

Speaker 7 the first match of the main show. Yeah.

Speaker 7 FTR defeated kevin night and mike bailey 12 minutes 23 seconds four and a half star match

Speaker 7 followed by jamie hayter defeating tecla 15 minutes 36 seconds i thought this was a train wreck three and a quarter stars

Speaker 6 that's

Speaker 6 so now

Speaker 6 Three stars is train wreck level.

Speaker 6 And the other one's got two and a half or or whatever that shows you where they were at

Speaker 7 jack perry and luchasaurus defeated the young bucks 23 minutes eight seconds for an alleged five hundred thousand dollars

Speaker 7 four and three quarter stars oh come on now that's as good as five

Speaker 6 All right, all righty then.

Speaker 7 I know you're saving your big thoughts for the end. Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin, and MVP

Speaker 7 defeated Ricochet and Toa Leona and Bishop Khan in a tornado match to earn a shot at the trio's title. 13 minutes, 25 seconds,

Speaker 7 three and three-quarter stars.

Speaker 7 Very good match, Dave said.

Speaker 6 Very good.

Speaker 6 From what I recall of what I said,

Speaker 6 based on what I saw,

Speaker 6 I said, boy, howdy, I love Shelton and Lashley and MVP, but this thing is brutal to watch in some points.

Speaker 6 And I don't believe that you were disagreeing with me.

Speaker 6 And those heels just ain't got it.

Speaker 6 As Ernie Ladd would say to Bill Watch, you boy just don't have it.

Speaker 7 But nevertheless, well, Jim, Kyle Fletcher defeated Mark Briscoe 24 minutes, 44 seconds,

Speaker 7 4 and 3 quarter stars.

Speaker 7 Once again, as good as five.

Speaker 6 Just as good.

Speaker 7 Chris Statlander defeated Tony Storm,

Speaker 7 16 minutes, 32 seconds,

Speaker 7 4-star match.

Speaker 6 Oh, come on now.

Speaker 7 Followed by Mercedes-Monet defeating Mina Shirakawa to win the Ring of Honor Interim Women's TV Championship,

Speaker 7 three and a quarter stars.

Speaker 7 Jim, a match you were anticipating.

Speaker 7 Bandito and Brodie King, collectively known as Brodito,

Speaker 7 defeated Konosuke Takesha and Kazushika Okada.

Speaker 6 Oh, boy.

Speaker 7 27 minutes, 28 seconds.

Speaker 7 Five-star match.

Speaker 7 Just an incredible match.

Speaker 7 Long, never dragged, tremendous storytelling, and tremendous moves, as well as something of a surprise finish with Bandito pinning Okada, who is almost always protected from losing.

Speaker 7 So, Dave really liked it.

Speaker 6 He,

Speaker 6 all right, go ahead. One more.

Speaker 7 Two more.

Speaker 6 Two more. Adam Page

Speaker 7 defeated Samoa Joe, 19 minutes, one second, four and a quarter stars.

Speaker 7 And finally,

Speaker 7 Darby Allen defeated Jon Moxley in an IQuit match, 26 minutes, two seconds.

Speaker 7 The only thing I heard say I quit was Amazon Prime during that match.

Speaker 7 Four and a quarter stars.

Speaker 6 Oh, boy.

Speaker 6 All right, Brian, you are not only old enough to remember, but you've seen back issues of Uncle Dave's writings.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 he at one time was a tremendous fan and

Speaker 6 disciple of Bill Watts' work,

Speaker 6 Bill Watts' booker. He would hold everything up to

Speaker 6 the Bill Watts standard, Mid-South Wrestling, and he would

Speaker 6 talk to other old-time promoters and he would write pieces where he would explain how Sam Muschnick felt this might damage the business, or this great booker would use this type of logic.

Speaker 6 And it seemed like

Speaker 6 that he had somewhat of a grasp on right versus left, up versus down, north and south, whatever

Speaker 6 polls that you care to use.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I'm sorry, but

Speaker 6 people change in many ways. Yes, you can change your opinions on people or things based on ongoing events or things that you learn.

Speaker 6 But, Brian, does what makes sense to you as a human being, what is logical,

Speaker 6 what is

Speaker 6 even right from wrong, but just sensible and rational and reasonable, A plus B equals C.

Speaker 6 Does that change no matter how old you get? Unless you end up getting dementia?

Speaker 7 Well, you know, part of Dave's argument is that you always have to learn. You always have to be ready to learn.

Speaker 7 And I think sometimes he interprets learning as just accept whatever the youngest person around you thinks they should do.

Speaker 7 Because all of a sudden it became history be damned.

Speaker 7 You know, what everyone's doing now.

Speaker 6 I don't know if it's the young people

Speaker 6 or if it's his friends people

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 there are people of varying ages

Speaker 6 involved in this thing.

Speaker 6 But that's the problem is that Dave,

Speaker 6 he has to be so mortified that his friends that he put so much faith in that he thought were, and you are our friends,

Speaker 6 whether it be the Kookamonga kids and their gang that petted him and made over him, or

Speaker 6 Tony Kahn that

Speaker 6 made, you know, made a big deal out of reading the Observer and learning things. And Dave makes a big deal out of how much he learned.

Speaker 6 And they got the chance and they weren't up to putting it together,

Speaker 6 which was the projection, and the projection came true. Tony Kahn

Speaker 6 had the money to be a promoter and the will to do it.

Speaker 6 And in that effort, it has been successful because he spent enough money to be able to get some back.

Speaker 6 But as a booker, it's been a mess because he didn't, he learned mark shit.

Speaker 6 That Uncle Dave, as he got older, got more involved in the minute

Speaker 6 niche market, subculture, mark shit.

Speaker 6 And his friends,

Speaker 6 the in-ring part of the equation, weren't up to putting on a show or being the stars of a show of this magnitude. They were good in

Speaker 6 fucking, what was it, Reseda

Speaker 6 in a building with 400 people in it, but that didn't translate.

Speaker 6 But that's the thing is,

Speaker 6 at one point,

Speaker 6 Dave prided himself on recognizing all these details about why that this style of booking was so successful, Bill Watts and the logical sports-based presentation.

Speaker 6 And then for the past, however many years since his buddies promised us that, but instead

Speaker 6 did an SNL-based presentation,

Speaker 6 he's trying to will into existence the idea that they've done a good, that they've produced a good product and have built anything up.

Speaker 6 And in the process, he can't bring himself to honestly look at these matches.

Speaker 6 If you count the number of moves they pull off with varying degrees of success, yes, there are multiple star matches.

Speaker 6 But if you look at the lack of logic in the booking and the loopholes in

Speaker 6 the psychology of the matches and the

Speaker 6 bullshit and fake looking execution of some of it

Speaker 6 at the sake of being able to get to the next big stunt and the over-repetition of the next big stunts

Speaker 6 and the constant furniture and the constant floor and the constant sameness of everything,

Speaker 6 Then

Speaker 6 if he thinks that I review this stuff harshly,

Speaker 6 I can only imagine what he would think if he was standing in the locker room listening to Bill Watts critique the fucking roster.

Speaker 6 If it was his roster to critique, which Dave has never had that experience.

Speaker 6 He talked to Watts when Watts was

Speaker 6 being professional, talking to some type of budding industry journalist and not your boss telling you what you fucked up about his show.

Speaker 7 Bill Watts, Paul Bosch, whoever it may be, talked to Dave

Speaker 7 to try to educate him on things. If he was going to do what he was going to do, they wanted him to understand a little bit about

Speaker 7 maybe history, but also just about the lessons, what you're supposed to do, why you do things, the excuses, whatever it may be.

Speaker 7 The relationship with Dave and Tony is completely reversed.

Speaker 7 Dave

Speaker 7 is literally the person Tony went to and said, hey, I want to start a wrestling company. Who should I hire?

Speaker 7 That's how Chris Harrington got his job. That's literally what happened.
The first person he went to was Dave.

Speaker 7 And Dave has access to Tony all the time. And I could tell you that Tony has waited on Dave's thoughts on things

Speaker 7 because they affect what he does.

Speaker 7 That's why Dave sometimes lashes out when Tony doesn't do what Dave wants him to do because Dave has never had this kind of influence on a wrestling company, whether he admits it or not.

Speaker 7 And this is his style of wrestling. He gives it the best stars he's ever given anything out.
He gives it better stars than he gave New Japan.

Speaker 6 Well, that's because now it's

Speaker 6 seven stars in Daly's place.

Speaker 7 You know, I don't want to talk about dynamite too much now. We'll talk about it later, but there's no one there.

Speaker 7 There's small crowds compared to AEW going to any of these markets previously. And they're not pricing people out like WWE is.

Speaker 7 They have no stars. And then you watch the wrestling, and I'll save it for later.
Jon Moxley, anyone who tells their readers that he's comparable to Terry Funk like Dave does,

Speaker 7 if you watch his work, and you actually just watch it on mute

Speaker 7 and try to figure out the psychology of it. You realize how lost all his matches are.
They're terrible and his work is terrible.

Speaker 7 And yet there's a fan base that wants to insist he's one of the best of our time.

Speaker 7 There's a big disconnect. And these guys, again, Dave has direct access to Tony

Speaker 7 in a way he's never had it with any other promoter. He had access to Vince at different times, but it wasn't Vince going to him for advice.

Speaker 7 It wasn't Vince saying, hey, Dave, you know, I just want to get your thoughts on this and this.

Speaker 7 Vince had motives. Tony sits under Dave's fucking learning tree.

Speaker 6 Oh, God.

Speaker 7 That's the reality.

Speaker 6 The problem is there, there's some root rot.

Speaker 7 Well, that was AEW Wrestle Dream or AEW Root Rot.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 I hate to say it, but the poop is getting deep in here, Brian. It may be time for me to put my boots on.

Speaker 6 I just want to make sure that I don't mess up my

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Speaker 6 well do you want to bear the brunt of the a description of this past week's raw program because certain things happened that

Speaker 6 affect the ongoing future of the wwe shaking the literal foundations of the company

Speaker 6 possibly forever

Speaker 6 yeah

Speaker 7 I said some sarcasm. What's your problem with Raw?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 you know what? Did you notice now I went back and watched the replay.

Speaker 6 I found out that if you wait long enough, not only are there no commercials in the replay of Raw on Netflix, but also when you try to fast forward, a box pops up

Speaker 6 that shows you what you're missing or not missing. So you can decide whether to miss or not miss that.

Speaker 6 which is not available if you try to go back within a certain amount the first day or I don't know what the time cutoff is. Does this happen to you?

Speaker 7 I tend to watch it live when possible.

Speaker 6 Well, fuck. I would never do that type of thing.

Speaker 6 But nevertheless,

Speaker 6 apparently without commercials, it was only an hour and 50 minutes long

Speaker 6 this past week. October 20th, I believe, was the date.

Speaker 7 How long? An hour 50?

Speaker 6 Hour 50 or something, 50-something.

Speaker 7 as they say, apparently, if you take out the matches, it's an hour 45.

Speaker 6 Well, that's the thing is they didn't really pack a lot more into a shorter period of time. They just did less of the stuff they normally do.

Speaker 6 However, we are

Speaker 6 in this new era where

Speaker 6 it's the where did all the stars go era.

Speaker 6 They're pushing the bronze, Breaker and Reed. And I appreciate that because they are new, legitimate, top talent that needs

Speaker 6 to be utilized in this fashion. So I'm fine.
But

Speaker 6 again, in between these things, you got to sit through some other things. And they had one match that I want to talk about.
So, nevertheless, the point is, they start the program

Speaker 6 with

Speaker 6 Adam Pierce.

Speaker 6 He's starting to speak when on the screen,

Speaker 6 it takes forever for an SUV to pull up and Braun Breaker and Bron Serade and Paul Heyman to get out. And they just walk to the ring

Speaker 6 and they show them walking to the ring. And

Speaker 6 they're going to stretch everything out as long as they can get out of everything.

Speaker 6 But Pierce really reads them out. He tells them Seth Rollins is hurt

Speaker 6 and he kind of skips. At first, he says, well, he was banged up anyway, but now he's really hurt.
And then because of what you guys did, what you two did,

Speaker 6 we're stripping Seth of the World Heavyweight Championship. We're going to crown a new champion in Salt Lake City

Speaker 6 at Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 6 CM Punk won the right to be the

Speaker 6 challenger and said, now, since the title is open, it's going to be Punk against the winner of a battle royal for the

Speaker 6 other

Speaker 6 slot. And that battle royal is tonight.
And that got a big pop because they got booed when he mentioned Salt Lake City, which, to be fair, is unpopular almost in all social circles. Salt Lake City.

Speaker 6 For that matter, the whole state of Utah is not exactly invited to most people's dinner parties.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I guess they got to do what they got to do. But before we go anywhere else with this interview,

Speaker 6 Brian, were you jazzed up to hear about a battle royal to determine a contender for the other contender to fight for the vacant title?

Speaker 6 I know they do it in AEW, you know, 17 times a week, but

Speaker 6 this is kind of they do it here, too, and it's

Speaker 7 what do you think? It's very AWA in my eyes. You know, they gave their world championship to the battle royal winner when Larry Zabisco won it in 89.
It just always feels.

Speaker 7 Battle Royals feel like you should win a prize, not necessarily a match.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 boy, did this Saturday night's main adventure sneak up on us? This is next week.

Speaker 6 Is it?

Speaker 7 November 1st.

Speaker 6 Well, son of a bitch.

Speaker 6 Well, I was about to ask you when it was, but you told me. So now I know.
God dang. God dang.

Speaker 7 So what do you think of this in terms of this is the first follow-up to them turning on Rollins. Did you think this is an effective way to start the episode?

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 they started this way and then going all through, and we'll talk about the whole story all the way through and then hit another high point. But at this point,

Speaker 6 Pierce was telling Braun Breaker, and now that's not your property because he's carrying the belt. You got to hand the belt over.
And they don't, what if I don't?

Speaker 6 And Paul conferred with Braun, and Braun's like, show me some respect.

Speaker 6 And then he makes Pierce say, respectfully, and he just handed over, say, please. He repeats it, please.

Speaker 6 And Braunbreaker gives the belt to Paul, and Paul gives it to Pierce. And Pierce walks off.

Speaker 6 And then Paul starts cutting the promo.

Speaker 6 This is the way Paul cut a heck of a promo here to answer your question

Speaker 6 on is it a good way to use them. Paul cut a heck of a promo here

Speaker 6 elevating these guys.

Speaker 6 mentioning their importance.

Speaker 6 You know, he said that he pulled those moves at WrestleMania

Speaker 6 that had, it had nothing to do with Rollins's because Braun was the future and Bronson Reed is better than Roman Reigns.

Speaker 6 And he tore

Speaker 6 Seth down and called him a bum shoulder bitch. And they bleep bitch on Netflix.
Weren't we promised we could get to hear fuck and

Speaker 6 cooties and every other kind of horrible word on Netflix at one point.

Speaker 7 They definitely made it sound like we don't have to be worried about language anymore. Meanwhile, on AEW, they say shit and all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 6 But anyway,

Speaker 6 Paul's promo put Bronson and Braun over big as having what it took to be main eventers. It was a good heel promo.

Speaker 6 I think it just, again, the only thing is this took like 20 fucking minutes, and anything just takes a while to get done on this program.

Speaker 6 But with Seth on the sidelines, the old Eddie Graham principle, how do I get somebody over dusty? Dusty's got to go somewhere. Seth on the sidelines, the attention being put on

Speaker 6 these two. And then later on, I believe that was the next,

Speaker 6 the next installment in our story. Yes.

Speaker 6 Pierce tells Paul that the two bronze are out of the battle royal.

Speaker 6 And then Paul has to beg kind of, you know, and grovel like that Pierce did earlier to get the belt. Paul has to grovel to him.

Speaker 7 Yes, say please. Same line.

Speaker 6 Yeah, say please.

Speaker 6 Please. And then Pierce said, no, and slammed the door on him.

Speaker 6 If they, they both couldn't win. They want to go in a different direction.

Speaker 6 So it was

Speaker 6 important to not just have these two in the battle royal as two guys that almost made it, but whatever the fuck, right?

Speaker 6 There are bigger things in store for them.

Speaker 6 And then Becky came up and got in Paul's face, and Paul did the groveling to her. And,

Speaker 6 you know, again, switches gears back to the hummina, hummina, hummina.

Speaker 6 And Becky told him off at his penguin-looking self, or whatever she said to him. But

Speaker 6 even though Becky's a heel,

Speaker 6 she's also Seth's husband. So

Speaker 6 I think somebody asked the question, or we brought it up on one of the shows recently.

Speaker 7 Last week, yeah.

Speaker 6 You know what about Becky being a heel since Seth has been turned on?

Speaker 6 If she's just

Speaker 6 wrestling other girls,

Speaker 6 it shouldn't.

Speaker 6 She shouldn't really show any change because

Speaker 6 when Seth comes back, she's going to be a babyface with people anyway, and possibly sooner than that.

Speaker 6 So it wouldn't be out of the way for her to get involved with somebody that's fucking with these guys

Speaker 6 just for the sake of it. And in that case, she'd be a big babyface, but she doesn't need to change anything.

Speaker 6 That's the good part about this. She can still do

Speaker 6 her programs with the other girls, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 6 She may end up getting getting cheered more, but she doesn't need to flip-flops. What I'm saying,

Speaker 7 do you think there's anything to be said for the idea of Braun refusing to give up the belt?

Speaker 7 And they go through everything they have to do to get a new champion, but you have an issue where Braun still has the belt?

Speaker 6 Well, no, because I don't think they want to press that this quickly because they still did this in a rush. They weren't going to do whatever they're going to do

Speaker 6 until Seth got hurt. So

Speaker 6 let's let it breathe a little bit because that puts him in a position where sooner or later, somebody that is the real champion needs to come after him. And

Speaker 6 they ain't got it set up yet.

Speaker 6 It would have to come after him, is what I'm trying to say. And they haven't got it set up like that yet.
They want to take a little more time with Braun.

Speaker 6 So he's just over here getting more and more pissed off at the situation.

Speaker 7 Maybe we can get Becky versus Heyman.

Speaker 6 maybe in a sumo match but no well remember now that might work

Speaker 6 because i was gonna say remember i had heyman 35 years ago and i wouldn't wish that on becky much less with the shape he's in today

Speaker 6 oh damn anyway

Speaker 6 then as a matter of fact in the back later on the bronze We're not happy and Braun Breaker Paul comes in and Braun say, hey,

Speaker 6 help me understand this. And the thing about Breaker, he can talk.
He explains things well.

Speaker 6 He wasn't screaming and being over the top here. He was

Speaker 6 relating details, which normally is not

Speaker 6 you guys' strong points, especially early on. He can talk.

Speaker 6 But then Paul gave him the bullshit pep talk.

Speaker 6 about how he he helped Brock because he listened to him. And he helped Punk because he listened to him.
And he helped Roman because he listened to him.

Speaker 6 It's not just in the ring, it's backstage politics.

Speaker 6 What's the future of the WWE guys? Just look in the mirror

Speaker 6 and walked out and left them smiling without saying anything of substance.

Speaker 6 But then

Speaker 6 they had the battle royal for the opponent versus Punk for Saturday night's main event for the title. And Punk was on color.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 let's face it, it was a fucking battle royal. I skipped down to Dominic, L.A.
Knight, AJ Styles, and the Usos.

Speaker 6 Four baby faces and fucking heel.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 the Usos are having issues with each other because

Speaker 6 Jay

Speaker 6 is it. Jay's looking up to Roman, but Jimmy don't want him to look up to Roman.
I got it right, didn't I?

Speaker 7 I think you got it exactly right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, good, because sometimes I still have trouble with which is which on there. But anyway,

Speaker 6 L.A. Knight was about to knock Jay off to the floor, but Jimmy saved Jay, which was the second time he'd saved him in the match.

Speaker 6 And then helped him up, and they double super kicked AJ, and Jimmy dumped AJ.

Speaker 6 And then L.A. Knight and Jimmy ended up dangling over the top rope, and Jay came from behind and dumped both of them.

Speaker 6 So Jimmy saved Jay twice, and then Jay dumped Jimmy along with L.A. Knight when he had the opportunity.

Speaker 6 And then Dominic went for the 619 on Jay, but Jay dumped him and won the whole thing.

Speaker 6 So now, but

Speaker 6 again, it's all the baby faces.

Speaker 6 But now we're going to have Punk and Jay Uso,

Speaker 6 who squared off, faced off with each other, you know, after this thing thing was over with for the title, which I assume and one would think Punk is going to win.

Speaker 6 Not only because Jay had it long enough to say he had it, but

Speaker 6 he wasn't

Speaker 6 the yeet guy, but he wasn't the long-term answer as a world champion or even another short-term.

Speaker 6 And he and Jimmy have trouble involving their relationship with Roman. So one would think that that might play some kind of a part.

Speaker 6 I've seen people speculate:

Speaker 6 well, should they turn Jay Heel?

Speaker 6 And I,

Speaker 6 with the entrance and the merchandise and the way people like him, I don't see why they would want to do that, but I don't see why

Speaker 6 that they would want to put him in a position where he's having to wrestle

Speaker 6 one of the biggest merchandise sellers and the guy that they chant for in the whole company, CM Punk.

Speaker 6 But here we are. Brian, was there a question there that I asked you?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 6 Well, let me try one.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't think there was. Was there?

Speaker 6 We think Punk needs to win this. We don't need to put the belt back on Jay, do we?

Speaker 6 Doesn't Punk need to win this for potentially

Speaker 6 some type of interaction with Heyman's

Speaker 6 vision

Speaker 6 at some point soon or something.

Speaker 7 Well, let me say this first. I wish Punk wasn't so over because I'm kind of getting ready for, I'm kind of getting sick of babyface Punk.

Speaker 7 I'm ready for him to just be evil and do some sick shit and cut some mean promos,

Speaker 7 but he's super over and you can't change it right now.

Speaker 8 It'd be stupid.

Speaker 7 He, you would think, would be the person set up for the belt.

Speaker 7 It It sets Seth Rollins up for a conundrum if he's still the champion when he comes back, because

Speaker 7 does he go after the belt and the man he hates

Speaker 7 in this endless feud, CM Punk? Or does he go right for the bronze and Heyman?

Speaker 7 I don't think Jey Uso

Speaker 7 should get the belt again.

Speaker 7 You know, it's weird. He was world champion just yesterday, and it doesn't even feel like that.
It just feels like he kind of went right back to

Speaker 7 where he was. And I'm not saying saying that's the wrong place for him to be.
However,

Speaker 7 I think punk is sometimes more effective chasing than having as a baby face.

Speaker 7 But I don't know.

Speaker 7 What do you think?

Speaker 6 Well, since they're all interacting on the same show in the same space,

Speaker 6 I'm wondering if they want to coronate Braun Breaker if Punk, a win over Punk for a major title might not be the

Speaker 6 way to do it.

Speaker 6 But I might be getting ahead of myself because they might not be ready to do it then.

Speaker 7 Has anyone said how long Rollins is supposed to be out for?

Speaker 6 No, but when they say major surgery, one would imagine that at this point in time, WrestleMania would be pushing it.

Speaker 7 Did he break his femur? I really don't know. Major surgery.
A guy had his brain removed and put back in his head and returned to the room. Well, no, but

Speaker 6 the shoulder reconstruction,

Speaker 6 November, December, January, February, March. Didn't they make WrestleMania later in the year next year?

Speaker 7 Or late April. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Mid to late April.

Speaker 6 Five and a half.

Speaker 6 It may be doable, but

Speaker 6 they may not know in time to make concrete plans that they feel comfortable with.

Speaker 7 Who knows? Do you think Seth Rollins should get stem cell treatment?

Speaker 6 No, I think he should leave part of his body to medical science. And then the other part to science fiction.

Speaker 6 All right. There was one other thing

Speaker 6 on this show. The tag team title changed hands.
Spoiler alert, ladies and gentlemen. A.J.
Styles and Dragon Lee beat Finn Balor and J.D. McDonough.

Speaker 7 This was great. Did you watch this?

Speaker 6 Yes, I did

Speaker 6 because you mentioned to me that you thought it was a good match, and it was. And

Speaker 6 here's the thing.

Speaker 6 The knock on A.J. Styles for years was he was too small, and he looked like Lex Luger next to the other three of these guys.

Speaker 6 But they all look like athletes. Finn is ripped.
JD's in shape. Dragon Lee is well he's there.

Speaker 6 But at the same time,

Speaker 6 they had a good match, but in this environment, in this universe, no pun intended. In the WWE,

Speaker 6 this is still a mid-card title, and they're being presented as the athletic guys to go out there and put some time in in between the stars doing promos.

Speaker 6 And I'm wondering,

Speaker 6 since Tony Kahn had an unlimited budget, as we've come to find out, could spend as much money as he wanted to,

Speaker 6 and if he hadn't taken advice from people as diverse as Uncle Dave and Cannie and the Cook Munga kids on hiring all their friends and favorites.

Speaker 6 Is this what AEW could have been?

Speaker 6 Smaller guys that are in shape and trained well, that are athletes, that have good-looking work, that's a faster pace and more serious matches that make sense and

Speaker 6 no indie garbage, no

Speaker 6 ridiculous comedy?

Speaker 6 Is this what they, these four guys outperformed

Speaker 6 90% of the AEW roster when it comes to professionalism, executing the moves with a safety factor where

Speaker 6 nobody almost gets killed, there's no furniture, they kept it in the ring.

Speaker 6 Is this?

Speaker 6 I guess what I'm saying was: if Tony had concentrated on a coherent plan

Speaker 6 to have

Speaker 6 a general style of wrestling and

Speaker 6 offshoots that may complement that general style of younger, faster-paced guys,

Speaker 6 better athletes, doing more shit than the other company

Speaker 6 without resorting to the comedy, ha-ha, the silliness and the garbage, is this what AEW might have been?

Speaker 6 Were these guys

Speaker 6 who can't be stars in this environment

Speaker 6 because of the way that everything else is presented? And yes, I know Finn's been a champion, but I'm saying they can't be,

Speaker 6 neither one of the four of these guys can right now at this point in time be the top guy or one of the top singles guys in WWE.

Speaker 6 But they're also, they can't be presented that way on this television. Since they're all talented, if they were presented that way on another television,

Speaker 6 would these guys be able to be top stars in that environment?

Speaker 6 Is this maybe what AEW could have been

Speaker 6 if they weren't just all friends with a bunch of indie wannabes?

Speaker 7 You know, I don't know because at the end of the day, it also comes down to the management and Tony and the roster he picked.

Speaker 7 This is what it probably,

Speaker 7 in a lot of ways, should have been as an alternative, but WWE adopted a lot of the things that became popular on the indies and which led to AEW.

Speaker 7 You know, the other thing is

Speaker 7 people sometimes jump on you, especially,

Speaker 7 for pointing out someone smaller. You brought up Marco's stunt earlier.
That's an extreme example. But Jack Perry, Young Bucks, I mean, it's been a whole bunch.

Speaker 7 Daniel Garcia, a whole bunch of examples. Wheeler, Yuda.

Speaker 7 It doesn't mean short necessarily. You know, I mean, there are lots of wrestling greats that were short.
They didn't wrestle like it, and they looked like athletes, like you said. So, J.D.

Speaker 7 McDonough, what is he, 5'7, maybe at the most? Finn Balor, maybe at the most.

Speaker 7 But they look like

Speaker 7 athletes the same way in his day. Wild Red Berry would have looked like an athlete.
You know what I mean? Danny McShane wasn't a big guy.

Speaker 6 But there's a difference.

Speaker 6 Finn Balor looks better than the dynamite kid did at his body weight more ripped but

Speaker 6 before

Speaker 6 dynamite discovered you know heavy steroids but it's not about height or weight or even height and weight it's about the height with the weight with the build and the aura that you project

Speaker 7 Yeah, Marco Stunt, in the early days of AEW, when you criticized him, some of the feedback you got, and I think even from Dave Meltzer, was, well, Rey Mysterio is only five foot two.

Speaker 7 How can you just dismiss someone for being small in stature? And your argument was, not everyone's Rey Mysterio Jr. Yeah,

Speaker 7 that was a special talent. He wasn't just one of many.
He was one of one.

Speaker 6 And then there were people on Twitter putting up pictures side by side where even Ray still looked like goddamn Lex Luger physically next to Marco Stunt.

Speaker 7 But yeah, I thought this was a really good match. AJ's having a little bit of a moment, you know, with the fans anticipating the winding down of his career, the Cena match,

Speaker 7 the reaction in Japan that I read about.

Speaker 7 And here,

Speaker 7 you know, AJ is kind of having a little bit of a renaissance here at the end.

Speaker 6 Well, he's a renaissance man.

Speaker 6 And did you see Dominic? That was.

Speaker 6 oh, yeah, and Dominic Dominic uh beat Rusev here on this program.

Speaker 7 Well, did you see he got a neck tattoo now?

Speaker 6 I didn't actually look close enough to notice things.

Speaker 6 Well, between his full body outfit and his long hair, and I did, I was, wasn't looking at his neck. I don't know.
What am I, a vampire?

Speaker 7 Stop doing this, unless you're going to start a punk band or something. Stop getting tattoos on your fucking necks, guys.

Speaker 7 Jesus.

Speaker 6 But they were in Southern California, or is that Northern California? Where is Sacramento? They were in California, so they loved Dominic a lot more than many places.

Speaker 7 But just one last thing about the tag match. You didn't think it was.

Speaker 7 What exactly are you saying? You don't think it's all that special? You just thought it was okay?

Speaker 6 No, I thought that's the thing is it's a it was a great wrestling match and it was athletic and it was serious and these guys look great and all of the accolades and platitudes that I gave them.

Speaker 6 But it's still, unfortunately, in this presentation

Speaker 6 and in this company right now and on this talent roster, they've still middle-carded the tag team title to where it's not.

Speaker 6 Now, if AJ Styles and Dragon Lee

Speaker 6 have a matchup coming in the next, you know, month or whatever the fuck with Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed,

Speaker 6 and they lose the tag team titles to them, and then they start

Speaker 6 working against if the Usos are still together or if top baby faces want to team up, then you can elevate it again. But that's what I'm saying.
It was a good match.

Speaker 6 But if you put this, if you advertised it,

Speaker 6 and nobody would necessarily break down the gates to buy tickets to see it because

Speaker 6 it's not a featured position, but athletic, smaller guys doing a faster-paced style, we thought that

Speaker 6 might be what AEW was going to be

Speaker 6 before they went all crazy on us with flamethrowers.

Speaker 7 Well, that was really raw.

Speaker 6 But you know, they're doing half as much, Brian, in the WWE as they used to in the ring and on TV, but they're charging twice as much for us to see it.

Speaker 6 Did you hear about the

Speaker 6 newest study that apparently

Speaker 6 WWE ticket prices have like doubled since TKO took over, what, in

Speaker 6 two years or not even, whatever it's been.

Speaker 6 And it just, and there's no slacking off of demand is the other part of the story. There's some people are just paying it.

Speaker 6 Isn't there a limit at some point?

Speaker 7 Right now, no.

Speaker 7 I mean, we've heard reports from some people, and you don't see it on TV, and I haven't seen too many pictures, but you do hear from some people that say, hey, Raw came back or SmackDown came back to my town.

Speaker 7 Ticket prices went up, less people in there than there were last time.

Speaker 7 Some people even say, hey, you see empty seats. Again, we haven't seen it.
And a lot of the tick accounts we do see indicate near capacity.

Speaker 7 But it doesn't feel as hot right now.

Speaker 7 But somehow they have found

Speaker 7 an audience with endless disposable income.

Speaker 7 And they are just feasting on that audience right now. And it's amazing.

Speaker 6 It really is. Feasting, feasting on them like vampires.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because it's not just ticket prices. Once you get there, a t-shirt, how much is a t-shirt now?

Speaker 7 40, 50? How much is a t-shirt at a WWE live event?

Speaker 6 I got to raise my prices at jimcornet.com. Hurry, folks, before I get smart and do that.

Speaker 7 But by the time you buy WWE merch

Speaker 7 and then maybe some concessions,

Speaker 7 you've dropped a lot of money that night. And a lot of that's going right to WWE.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm looking at this graph, this chart that we've got here, and this is from Polestar. Apparently, the data was compiled by Polestar.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 from 1999 until today,

Speaker 6 it had some fluctuation in the early 2000s, went back down, came back up in the mid-2000s, whatever, but it stayed between,

Speaker 6 apparently adjusted for inflation,

Speaker 6 it stayed between $41 and $67

Speaker 6 for

Speaker 6 almost 25 years.

Speaker 6 And then the TKO merger closed when it was somewhere around 60,

Speaker 6 and it's now at 118.

Speaker 6 They've doubled the prices in two fucking years.

Speaker 6 Even if they're not

Speaker 6 selling as many tickets as they were, you know, two years ago or whatever, they're still making more money because they're charging so much more.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 they'd have to be down to drawing,

Speaker 6 Brian, on average, as this shows, they'd have to draw half as many people as they did a couple of years ago to be making less money than they were at that time.

Speaker 6 And this is just, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 It's all insane. The media rights deals are insane, especially when you look at what the actual numbers are.

Speaker 7 It's, you know, the biggest cash grab in wrestling history, and it's working.

Speaker 7 I don't know what's going to change. What'll change it is if people stop going somehow.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 But what's going to cause that? A pandemic. I mean, there's nothing, what else is going to cause someone right now? Because WWE is not really, like, the TV is not hot.

Speaker 7 What would cause people to stop right now? I don't know.

Speaker 6 Well, that's the thing is that

Speaker 6 they're not doing a lot,

Speaker 6 but they're not doing particularly anything wrong. They're just kind of chugging right along there.
But it's the perception

Speaker 6 of the people that this, this whole thing is a, and I'm not talking about even us

Speaker 6 and the wrestling insiders that listen to us or the

Speaker 6 real nerds over it. I'm talking about just to the average person.

Speaker 6 They've, you know, to them,

Speaker 6 these people are all big stars. This is a big production.
And

Speaker 6 it's normal to be talked to for 20 minutes at a time when you buy a ticket to see a wrestling show.

Speaker 6 So they don't really have any complaints.

Speaker 7 So, what do you see in this information you have there?

Speaker 6 I'm just having a problem seeing how this can last on a long-term basis.

Speaker 6 If it not only keeps going up, but just continues at this price sooner or later,

Speaker 6 you know, people are going to say, well, fuck it.

Speaker 6 I just, I won't go in person. I'll just watch TV, which

Speaker 6 still with all the things they're on, as we know, costs some money.

Speaker 6 But this is not,

Speaker 6 it's not making it an accessible thing to introduce it to the live event experience to a lot of new fans that may be

Speaker 6 on the bubble about going or just haven't gone because they can't afford it.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 I mean, it's always been.

Speaker 6 I remember one story Dutchman tell, the first booking job he got

Speaker 6 was in in Florida.

Speaker 6 And this was either right before or right after Eddie Graham died.

Speaker 6 But to point being,

Speaker 6 they told him one night because they did real good in a town like Sarasota or whatever. He said, yeah, I said, this is the most people we've had in Sarasota.
It's not the record gate.

Speaker 6 Oh, why not? Well, we had higher ticket prices. for some super show.
And that Dutch said, that's the first time I found out you could just raise ticket prices if you wanted to.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 Eddie Graham started that Golden Circle ticket thing in Florida for the big events, if the WWF title versus the NWA title is in the main event, Golden Circle, first row, or whatever.

Speaker 6 And you could get

Speaker 6 more gross out of the same amount of people

Speaker 6 that would normally come. And even better if it was more people,

Speaker 6 but it had to be a big show, something out of the ordinary to justify raising the price from what you normally gave them, right? And

Speaker 6 Jared did that, his first show in the Mid South Coliseum. Normal Coliseum prices in April 1977.

Speaker 6 I'm trying to remember whether they had gone to $5 ringside yet or not, but you could, general admission was still $2.

Speaker 6 But for that first show with Harley Race against Rocky Johnson, Jerry Lawler against Jack Briscoe, Dusty was on the card. A lot of stars, right?

Speaker 6 He did a $25 Golden Circle front row and $15 for the next two rows, and then I think a couple of dollars up across the board, ringside reserve, Gerald admission.

Speaker 6 In March, at regular prices, he had drawn 11,000-something people sold out to see Johnson and race.

Speaker 6 This was the rematch.

Speaker 6 And of course, the March show, we were just about to break off from Google's. This was the rematch like seven weeks later.

Speaker 6 And they only did 90-something hundred people because it scared a couple of thousand off of

Speaker 6 coming because we've never seen ticket prices that high.

Speaker 6 But he still did a gross that was comparable to the sellout.

Speaker 7 Next year will be interesting because there's no more John Cena, Whatever sort of bump and you have to figure there would inherently be one you got from John Cena appearing in all these towns for a last time,

Speaker 7 that's gone. That's out the window.
So now you're going back to relying on your current stars and what you're doing with them.

Speaker 6 And sometimes that, you know, that leads to a little lull because

Speaker 6 even if it's good talent,

Speaker 6 when a top star leaves or a top attraction that was why people were buying tickets.

Speaker 6 You know, when they're gone, it takes a little while for them to get into something else that's going on. So they may have a little lull.
Who knows?

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 one way or another, Brian, it's going to cost you a lot of money.

Speaker 6 If you want to follow the WWE, either live in person or even on television with the streaming service prices and the cable prices and the

Speaker 6 prices of all of the various add-ons to watch all of this wrestling.

Speaker 6 It's going to cost you some money one way or another, Brian. It's going to cost you something.
You know that as well as I do. You know how to get around it, don't you?

Speaker 7 I do.

Speaker 6 Lie.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, I wouldn't say that. That's not the way we should put it.

Speaker 6 Well, you're lying in search of a common good. You're lying to protect your family.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 6 You're lying to keep yourself privacy free.

Speaker 7 You're lying down on your couch and enjoying WWE programming no matter where it's airing.

Speaker 6 What you are doing

Speaker 6 is you are going to our friends over at Surfshark

Speaker 6 at surfshark.com and you're saying, hey, Not only do I not want any of these perpetrators out there on the dark web to take advantage of knowing where I am with my interweb signal so they can come through the wires into my home and hurt me and my family.

Speaker 6 But also, I want to be able to watch the wrestling without them charging me out to yin-yang.

Speaker 6 And then Surfshark will take it from there. And not only will they protect your privacy.

Speaker 6 Your privacy from all these bad actors out there in the world, you can secure your privacy. But also,

Speaker 6 if the WWE wants to know where you are, just like all these criminals that want to crawl through these wires and invade your home, Surfshark will tell them, hey,

Speaker 6 he's somewhere else. And then

Speaker 6 when those guys with those hoods and masks and

Speaker 6 billy clubs in their hands crawl through your wiring to rob you and steal you and commit mayhem in the middle of the night. Steal you they'll

Speaker 6 well they might kidnap you well no but well then when they come out they're gonna come out into the middle of a hut in the belgian congo

Speaker 6 or a monastery deep in the mountains of tibet because surf shark is gonna have told him no he ain't in poughepsie no he left cleveland a long time ago He's over there in Pakistan, and that's where they'll go to look for you.

Speaker 7 Once again, guess what?

Speaker 6 You ain't going to be there.

Speaker 7 Let's use a great example of you lying on your couch and saying, hey, I want to watch WWE's latest premium live event.

Speaker 7 However, those greedy gentlemen over at WWE, they're getting all these media deals. They're making me pay for this and pay for that.
What if I could just say I was in Canada?

Speaker 7 That would solve everything.

Speaker 6 Well, then you could get access to the commercial free WWE on the Canadian Netflix, because I guess people in Canada don't buy anything, so there's no advertising.

Speaker 6 But that's the kind of thing that you can do.

Speaker 6 You can just do all kinds of things with telling people where you are or where you're not or where they want you to think that you are, that they will be.

Speaker 6 And it's all about securing your privacy, too.

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Speaker 6 Instead, they won't be able to find you because Surfshark is going to confuse the whole issue, swerve their heads around, and fuck their whole deal up. And And you benefit.
And right now,

Speaker 6 because surf shark are friends of ours, is that proper grammar? Surf shark is, because it's an entity.

Speaker 7 There hasn't been much in this entire spot.

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Speaker 7 Hang 10, it's surf shark.

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Speaker 6 All right. Well, I guess we have to surf on over to the other side of the street and check out AEW's offering of dynamite for October 22nd.
They were in San Antonio, Brian.

Speaker 6 Home of the

Speaker 6 world-famous Alamo,

Speaker 6 home of,

Speaker 6 well, that's about it.

Speaker 6 The Alamos down there,

Speaker 6 Sean Michaels. And Brian Danielson, I think, is from San Antonio.
At least he trained with,

Speaker 6 so he has some connection to the town.

Speaker 7 Have you ever been to the Alamo?

Speaker 6 I've never been to the I've been to San Antonio. I've never been to the Alamo.

Speaker 6 I went one time, but they had closed it off for

Speaker 6 some type of cleaning because apparently some delirious rock and roll singer had pissed on it just moments before.

Speaker 6 We love you, Ozzy. I thought

Speaker 6 you being the music guy would say something like, oh, come on now.

Speaker 7 I couldn't dismiss it because it's such a well-known story.

Speaker 6 Well, nevertheless, so our announcing team was Sockface and Brian Danielson. They're losing and that Taz is recovering from surgery, I guess.
Get well soon, Taz.

Speaker 6 I don't know. Shivati may have had a senior moment, not been able to get out of the the bathroom on the plane.
We don't know where Jim Ross is.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 Excalibur and Danielson sitting next to each other with the personalities and the approaches, it's like an eight ball of Coke having a conversation with two tabs of ecstasy.

Speaker 6 It's just, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 7 Or Wednesday, as we call it.

Speaker 6 Or it's Wednesday, and you know what that means.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 they start the show again.

Speaker 6 They've just said, now, fuck it, we're not even going to bother getting into action. Like they used to start the show when they had competition with the match already started.
Now

Speaker 6 they open up, the announcers talk, they do graphics and match billboards forever. They do a package on the pay-per-view.

Speaker 6 They go to the back for a videotape of Adam Page

Speaker 6 screaming that he's going to ruin Samoa Joe's life while he's being checked out by the doctor who clearly did not go to the Strasbourg school.

Speaker 6 Okay, Hangman, we need you to calm down. Hangman, calm down.

Speaker 6 And then we go into the opening match for the world six-man tag team title:

Speaker 6 Samoa Joe

Speaker 6 Hobbs and Shibata

Speaker 6 against Lashley, Shelton, and MVP, the Hurt Syndicate.

Speaker 6 Their top heel, heel, their new top heel,

Speaker 6 who they desperately need, who's doing a tremendous job, as always,

Speaker 6 is defending meaningless belts

Speaker 6 with a partner who Hobbes needs to be with Joe.

Speaker 6 And he makes a package there.

Speaker 6 And Shapupi is useless. And they need to turn on him and

Speaker 6 send him

Speaker 7 something. Take his

Speaker 7 brain out. There you go.

Speaker 6 I don't think he needs it back. He's not using it.

Speaker 6 But so Joe is at a, he's a six-man champion. They need to forget that quickly, concentrate on what they're doing with Joe and the title.
Hobbs needs to be Joe's henchman. Shapupi is extraneous.

Speaker 6 And they book Joe against the only guys on the roster that he can't bully and out muscle to get heat and be a bully

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 lashley's bigger than he is shelton is pretty good size on his own and the point is it's not that they can't work together and have a match it's if you just switch this guy heel

Speaker 6 give him some goddamn cannon fodder to feed on

Speaker 6 and but all of a sudden

Speaker 6 MVP is going for a wrestling title. Why?

Speaker 6 Because they manufactured some reason last week or on collision or whatever. But in the overall scheme of things,

Speaker 6 MVP is a manager that if they'd have been smart when they were constructing this angle with Ricochet and his Stooges, they could have got some money out of MVP against Ricochet in a single match on pay-per-view.

Speaker 6 Or even MVP doing something in a wrestling fashion could have been a destination rather than okay, this week it's a tag match, then it's a six-man, but the other guys once this time we're going to win.

Speaker 6 It's been back and forth.

Speaker 6 And now, again, they're going to have an okay match here.

Speaker 6 But it,

Speaker 6 no, Hobbes is in the ring with the only guy in the company that makes him look small, Bobby Lashley.

Speaker 6 And while

Speaker 6 Hobbes against Shelton was good, they had a nice pace. They were serious.
Lashley against Joe was good.

Speaker 6 Old Shapupi is just mechanical, bland face, no reaction, gets in the way. Why is MVP wrestling for a wrestling championship when he's part-time wrestler?

Speaker 6 Joe is a super heel. These are all my observations.

Speaker 6 And then finally, they got into things. They had tags to Lashley and Shapupi, and Lashley just killed him.

Speaker 6 And then they got a little bit with Lashley and Hobbs, where Lashley tried to hurt Locke, but they double clotheslined each other, both went down.

Speaker 6 And then MVP got to shine there at the end with his baller elbow instead of the people's elbow or whatever.

Speaker 6 But they did some back and forth shit before

Speaker 6 MVP was about to do something, but Ricochet came out and distracted him, and Joe got the clutch, and MVP tapped.

Speaker 6 So it was a nice match until the

Speaker 6 cheap interference kind of thing, and boom, they do that everywhere. It was a serious match.
It was unusual in that there was no furniture, there was no goofiness, most everything was in the ring.

Speaker 6 But again, people like the Hurt Syndicate as baby faces. They're losing as much as they win.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 if they were setting up an angle to continue with these three,

Speaker 6 that might not be bad. But Joe

Speaker 6 is challenging Adam Page for the fucking championship. And that's the issue they've just created.

Speaker 6 So what sense did this make is what the words that are coming out of my mouth.

Speaker 7 Well, for some of those reasons, I thought they were definitely going to do a title change here. It would make sense.

Speaker 7 Hurt Syndicate needs a win for all the people that complain that they weren't losing. They're losing too much.

Speaker 7 And it's hurting them.

Speaker 7 It's hurting the Hurts.

Speaker 6 Well, but imagine, but if they won here, then Joe is on the losing side

Speaker 6 again.

Speaker 7 You pinched Shibata.

Speaker 7 The man had his brain taken out of his head and returned to sender.

Speaker 6 You beat Shibata. Address unknown.

Speaker 7 You beat Shibata. You freed Joe and Hobbs.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's wishful thinking,

Speaker 7 but

Speaker 6 he's still on the losing side of the thing.

Speaker 6 Just have Joe and Hobbes beat the shit out of Shabupi and don't ever talk about six-man title again because who gives a shit anyway? There's a hundred thousand belts,

Speaker 6 there's girls with 12 belts in the company. What do belts fucking mean?

Speaker 6 Then

Speaker 6 Joe got the microphone

Speaker 6 and cut a fucking heel promo

Speaker 6 that was, again, the best one on anybody's TV in the past few months.

Speaker 6 It was better and not as long as some of MJFs have been lately because MJF's just stuck doing the same thing over and over because he has nothing to work with.

Speaker 6 And this is different.

Speaker 6 Joe comes off with an aura.

Speaker 6 And he said, Adam Page may think this is just some cowboy shit, but I'm going to make Adam Page my bitch or Adam Pitch my beige.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 you believe him. He's a fucking talent.
He looks like he is supposed to look and talks like he's supposed to talk.

Speaker 6 But he's one of the six-man champions.

Speaker 6 Anywho,

Speaker 6 speaking of people who look like they ought to look and talk like they ought to talk, I don't know if this is a compliment, though.

Speaker 6 Darby Allen,

Speaker 6 he came out in the spooky lighting with the AEW Mount Everest flag and spread it out in the ring and squatted down on it and started the promo on his knees.

Speaker 6 And he's willing to go places for this company. No one else will go.
And he's willing to die for this place. And

Speaker 6 these fans like that, right? They're like, yeah, he'll die for us. We won't die for him now.
Don't hit us with shit.

Speaker 6 But he stood up and he got serious.

Speaker 6 And it wasn't a long promo and it wasn't badly delivered. And he's, as long as the Death Riders are breathing, I'm not far behind them.

Speaker 6 He's got a charisma. If we hadn't figured out and he hadn't actually

Speaker 6 explained to us that he really is a fucking moron

Speaker 6 he's got a great gimmick if it was a gimmick

Speaker 6 if

Speaker 6 if he

Speaker 7 that's the thing you hear him say like i'm willing to die for this place or i will i would die for and you believe him you're like yeah that's gonna cause a scandal

Speaker 7 That is gonna cause.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 6 If this was a gimmick that he was able to present where he really wasn't just doing stupid and irresponsible all the time and not only in wrestling climbing mountains jumping houses on lawnmowers risking his life just

Speaker 6 he's the

Speaker 6 dream of a certain segment of this population that watches the show that he has just floated through life without being an adult and having any responsibility but he's been successful

Speaker 6 And that's like many of the audience, except leaving out the successful part.

Speaker 6 So they like that. But if this was a gimmick he could portray, but behind the scenes, he was a competent professional that you could rely on not to do anything stupid

Speaker 6 and

Speaker 6 was trying to extend his career while helping the business rather than just, oh, kill me. It's okay.

Speaker 6 He's got a great gimmick. It's just not a gimmick.

Speaker 7 So you didn't like the promo?

Speaker 6 Well, I like the promo, but that's the problem is it that holds me back: is that

Speaker 6 it's not a gimmick with him, and he really likes doing all this stupid, crazy shit.

Speaker 7 So, you want to give him a push, but you got to be afraid of putting a belt on him because then he'll jump off a building the next day.

Speaker 6 Yes, that's what I'm saying. How can you depend on this guy?

Speaker 6 I don't know,

Speaker 6 but anywho,

Speaker 6 apparently, now, Brian,

Speaker 6 they are going to start

Speaker 6 the tournament for the AEW women's tag team champions because there's not enough belts.

Speaker 6 The women's division roster doesn't have enough belts. Mercedes has 12 of them alone.

Speaker 6 Now they're going to have a women's tag team title and they're going to have a tournament.

Speaker 6 But before they have the tournament, they had an an eight-woman, four-team, four-way match with the stipulation that the winners could pick their first-round opponents in the women's tag team title tournament.

Speaker 6 And that brings us to where we are here:

Speaker 6 Megan Brain and Penelope Pitstop against Julia Hart and Blue Sky,

Speaker 6 against Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale, against Jamie Hayter and Queen Auda.

Speaker 6 Did you just say it was a good match?

Speaker 7 I said big match. Big match.
Big match.

Speaker 6 Is big good

Speaker 7 and big. You sounded so offended that I say it was a good match.

Speaker 6 I thought I couldn't believe my ears.

Speaker 6 It's what I was

Speaker 7 wondering about.

Speaker 7 It felt like glow.

Speaker 7 When everyone came out and the matching outfits in there, little gimmicks, it just felt like glow. It felt like glow.

Speaker 7 I don't mean indie wrestlers. I don't mean that a good way either.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, indie wrestlers with a wardrobe budget is what you're saying.

Speaker 7 Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Penelope Ford, I thought she hurt herself when they did that spot in the match where at the same time, Megan Bain does a dive over the ropes and Penelope Ford does a moonsault off the top rope to the floor and all the girls.

Speaker 7 And she landed on her arm and she came up right away holding her arm. But I guess she was all right.

Speaker 6 Well, if she was all right, she did better than this match, which took up about 15 minutes of TV time before the Dark Horse team,

Speaker 6 the one that nobody thought, Jamie Hayter and Queenie, won the thing.

Speaker 6 And they were called the Dark Horse team early in the match. That's how I knew they were going to win it.
But

Speaker 6 while this match may have been meaningless in the overall scheme of things, Brian, apparently,

Speaker 6 from what I'm hearing, from what I'm being led to believe, it's driven another of of these endless small wedges

Speaker 6 in between a

Speaker 6 long-time relationship that we thought

Speaker 6 was going to last for life, but with all these constant little chips, little pieces that are being

Speaker 6 tapped out of this relationship.

Speaker 6 Dave and Brian, Uncle Dave and cousin Brian Alvarez, again have another disagreement

Speaker 6 over whether shit makes sense or not. And of all things, it's in this match.

Speaker 6 Is this correct? I've heard this from several sources.

Speaker 7 Well, we've been emailed this by a bunch of people, and this match, of course, was a four-way tag

Speaker 7 where the winning team could pick their opponents in the tournament, begging the question, oh my God, how many teams are there going to be in the tournament?

Speaker 6 I was going to say, they were fighting all the who

Speaker 6 all the teams were right here. They just have to stand across the ring and point.

Speaker 7 This is half the teams apparently from the tournament

Speaker 7 but

Speaker 7 while listeners have sent over because they always get a kick out of your thoughts on these and i have not heard this all the way through

Speaker 7 dave and brian apparently had a conversation about

Speaker 7 it's so ridiculous

Speaker 7 the bracketing of the women's tournament and how i guess it was rolled out or explained

Speaker 7 or exposed or exposed let's go to this audio right now

Speaker 1 at this point they had not announced the brackets for the tournament. In storyline, they didn't even have brackets yet because we were still getting teams throughout the show getting put together.

Speaker 7 So I don't know what brackets Tony had that he let me stop it there because he has in the video. There's an image from Dynamite that shows tonight there'll be the bracket reveal.

Speaker 7 But how could you reveal the bracket if one of the matches is for in the first round?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Let's go back to this.

Speaker 6 Which then would,

Speaker 6 but also

Speaker 6 that would affect every other match because who knows who the team is going to be that wins and the team's going to pick.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you could pick anyone. So it would affect the entire tournament, one would think.

Speaker 1 We can in storyline.

Speaker 7 Well, he had him.

Speaker 8 He said they were going to announce the brackets, and they did.

Speaker 1 Dave, you don't understand. He said Saturday he had the brackets, but on this show, teams were still getting put together.
No, he said. So when this show started, he didn't have brackets.

Speaker 8 He said Saturday he was going to announce the the brackets.

Speaker 1 I know, but he didn't have them when the show started. Because throughout the show,

Speaker 1 teams were being put together.

Speaker 8 He announced them before the end of the show. He just said he would announce the brackets on Saturday.

Speaker 1 So in storyline, he was hoping that teams would get together during the show.

Speaker 8 By the end of the show, he had brackets just as he advertised.

Speaker 8 That's a silly criticism.

Speaker 1 No, Dave, this is not a silly criticism.

Speaker 1 Oh, they were putting teams together.

Speaker 7 Let me stop it for a second. Yeah, then they had all this backstage falderall with people.

Speaker 6 You be my partner.

Speaker 6 So, yes, they were still actually making agreements to have teams

Speaker 6 in this particular show when Tony had said days beforehand, yeah, I'll have the brackets.

Speaker 7 It's a silly criticism.

Speaker 7 Let's go back to the silly.

Speaker 6 Silly, but valid.

Speaker 1 As the show went on, this is something Ava would do. I'm going to have brackets on Tuesday.
Hopefully, some teams get together during the show so I can put them in.

Speaker 8 He said that they would have brackets on the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that means as a promoter, he's already got his brackets done. He's just going to announce them.

Speaker 8 He never said that. He never said that.
He said he would have the brackets announced on the show. If he had the brackets, why didn't he announce them on Sunday or on Saturday?

Speaker 1 Because he's a promoter. He wants people to watch Dynamite.
Okay, well, then. Tune into Dynamite.
I'm going to give you these brackets I've met.

Speaker 6 And he did. And he did.

Speaker 1 Instead, he had a blank bracket, apparently.

Speaker 1 Luckily,

Speaker 8 he did a story.

Speaker 8 During the show, the storyline was that he he had a match put together where the winners of the match, which is this match that we're talking about, would get to pick their first-round opponent, and then he would fill in the brackets after that.

Speaker 6 And he just with no thought whatsoever.

Speaker 6 Okay, well, here's the rest of these teams. I'll write them down real quick.
Here you go.

Speaker 7 It's a weird hill to die on. It's a weird argument to fight against.

Speaker 6 Yes, there are other things going on that would be more

Speaker 6 important, one would think.

Speaker 8 That was announced. I don't know what day they announced that, but

Speaker 8 yesterday. So, obviously, he wasn't going to have the brackets at the beginning of the show because they were having a match to determine one of the first-round matches then.

Speaker 8 So, he couldn't have announced, he couldn't have the brackets.

Speaker 1 So, who was going to be in this tournament if Athena hadn't shown up out of the blue? He could have an hour and 45 minutes into the show to tell Mercedes, I want to be your partner.

Speaker 6 He could have had who knows what.

Speaker 8 That doesn't matter. He had the when he announced the brackets, they were a team.

Speaker 7 Well, there it is.

Speaker 7 Once again, the endless defense of Tony Khan's

Speaker 7 booking and TV layouts from Dave.

Speaker 6 You can't, he wouldn't give a crippled crab a crutch, as Buddy Landell would say.

Speaker 6 You can't get anything out of Dave if it's critical to anything that Tony did, except if it's something Tony did after Dave told him not to do it. Then he's critical.

Speaker 7 Is there anything to that, to Alvarez's argument? I mean, he didn't even really make the argument, but if you're billing on your Saturday show, we will reveal the brackets Thursday.

Speaker 7 Should you expect them? Is it a problem if you don't deliver the brackets right away? If there are still things to determine, like you said, it's not even just to determine one match.

Speaker 7 It would have to determine the entirety of the brackets because you could pick anyone.

Speaker 6 Well, yes. And see, that's

Speaker 6 you can do one of these things, but not all of them.

Speaker 6 You could advertise, okay, the match we're going to have on TV Wednesday night is

Speaker 6 going to be the winner gets to pick their opponents in the first round.

Speaker 6 And then once we find that out, we will assemble all the brackets

Speaker 6 or assemble all the teams and rest the bracket, whatever.

Speaker 6 That would work. Or you can say, I on Saturday's TV, I have the brackets and we will announce them on Wednesday.

Speaker 6 But it just, they want to do every goddamn thing at the last minute with almost no build or

Speaker 6 warning,

Speaker 6 advance notice that anything's going to go on. And just,

Speaker 6 well, that's why apparently they added that match with Mercedes Moon on the pay-per-view where she won that interim

Speaker 6 women's TV title belt that's defended on Thursdays in the Target parking lot, whatever the fuck that was.

Speaker 7 TV championship.

Speaker 6 They realized. that she was going to go to another one of these outlaw companies the next day and win their title.
And they didn't want her to break the record unless it was on their show.

Speaker 6 So they came up with a girl's title for her to win on their show in an unadvertised match to break the record and then went the next day and went won some other one.

Speaker 6 Point is, it's all goddamn nonsense.

Speaker 6 And they're tripping over everything because they just keep doing everything so fast and at the last minute.

Speaker 6 And Alvarez sounds like he's just fed up with it. Just

Speaker 6 plan your shit better and give it a little room to breathe.

Speaker 7 Well, that was the women's tag. The winner of the match, of course, Jamie Hayter, Queen Aminada.
And they picked Sky Blue and Julia Hart for the first round. I'm sure we'll get some surprises.

Speaker 7 Maybe a team from Iceland or South Africa. Who knows?

Speaker 7 But this is your show.

Speaker 6 Do they have women's wrestling on the Isle of Man?

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 6 And why don't they have an Isle of Woman since they have an Isle of Man?

Speaker 6 You know what they all need, don't you, Brian?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 6 A brand new line of work. Ah, yes.
Just get them completely out of the whole picture of what they're in now and put them in something they'll be more suited for.

Speaker 6 Now, let's say, for example, that Mercedes Moan, after she's won these 12 belts or whatever, she wants to settle down and sell seashells by the seashore.

Speaker 6 All she's got to do is call our friends at Shopify. And Shopify will give you the best shot at success that you're ever going to have in your little pee picking life.

Speaker 6 Because Shopify has got you from the get-go.

Speaker 6 They're going to help you with the website design. They're going to help you with the product images.

Speaker 6 They're going to to help you with the descriptions the discount codes they're going to help you with social media campaigns email and it's all about ching jong

Speaker 6 making money

Speaker 7 it's having a

Speaker 7 it's kaching not ching

Speaker 7 jong

Speaker 6 having that that little kid on a bicycle run up to you every day with a bunch of money in their hand and handing it to you

Speaker 6 That's that's right, because folks, and Harpo Marks will be right behind them.

Speaker 6 Because folks, nobody has bicycle delivery people anymore like Shopify does. They will put your brand, product, or service out there in front of millions of people.

Speaker 6 They're the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world, 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States. They're going to make you ready for a global audience.

Speaker 6 And then when people start paying, that's what they do. They send out one of these little kids on a bicycle with that little bell.
No, they don't.

Speaker 6 And they go pick up your money and they bring it right to you. So all day long,

Speaker 6 I mean, every two minutes, there's going to be some kid driving a bicycle up your driveway going ka-ching

Speaker 6 and throwing you 76 cents.

Speaker 7 Once again, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 6 And you're going to get rich that way.

Speaker 7 You're not going to get rich. You're not going to get rich that way.
And that is not what's going to happen, ladies and gentlemen. Of course, Shopify is reliable and trustworthy.

Speaker 7 We trust them with our online business. You can trust them with yours.
And that's what we're really trying to say, Jim.

Speaker 6 Yes, and the purple shop pay button. Everybody knows what that means.
As a matter of fact, what they're going to do is once you go to shopify.com slash JCE

Speaker 6 and you sign up for your $1 a month trial period where they can show you. the incredible difference that they can make in your business and in your whole life.

Speaker 6 You get that $1 a month trial period shopify.com slash jce

Speaker 6 they're gonna put that purple shop pay button right on your front door in place of your doorbell and every time somebody punches it that you're gonna make money so every time some stupid son of a bitch comes up to your house trying to sell you aluminum siding and they ring your doorbell they don't know it but they just paid you money

Speaker 6 through that purple shop pay button at shopify.com.

Speaker 7 That's not in any way how any of this works, but ladies and gentlemen once again shopify is there to help you and your online business and you could go on i can't you got to take

Speaker 7 well i'm telling you and boy and some of these

Speaker 6 some of these office buildings In these bigger cities, if they were, they put that purple shop pay button in place of an elevator button.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I can.

Speaker 6 In these big high-rises, these people try to punch that button all day long. It's wired up to your account.
That's another way they make people rich.

Speaker 7 That's not how it works.

Speaker 6 Every time they punch that elevator button, you get paid $4.17

Speaker 6 and nobody can figure out what's going on.

Speaker 7 Once again, ladies and gentlemen, to be very serious, this is a serious company. Shopify is there to help you and your serious business.
Everyone wants to make money with their products online.

Speaker 7 Everyone wants to do well. And Shopify is there.

Speaker 7 Shopify is there with no help help of you. Shopify is there to make sure that your experience is right for you and the consumer.
They can handle e-commerce and so much more.

Speaker 7 Let's wrap this up before we do more damage, Jim. And

Speaker 6 if you've been losing money lately, just look at your credit card bill. It'll say doorbell rang and you'll be debited $16.

Speaker 7 It won't have anything to do with Shopify, but you can have something to do with Shopify. And how can they do that, Jim?

Speaker 6 They can turn their dreams into cha-ching and reality and give yourself the best shot at success you possibly can with Shopify.

Speaker 6 Your $1 a month trial period can start right now at shopify.com/slash JCE. That's shopify.com slash JCE.

Speaker 6 And the next time that you go to get an elevator, before you press the button, just ask yourself, can I afford this? Shopify.

Speaker 6 Are you still there with me, Brian?

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Speaker 6 Let's get speaking of people to laugh at.

Speaker 6 Oh boy, the cake in the face bit has never been done like this. I am a veteran of cakes in the face or cakes in the faces.
Well, I've only got the one face.

Speaker 6 People often said I was two-faced, but that's not true because if I had been, I wouldn't wouldn't have been wearing the one I had on.

Speaker 6 But Renee Moxley Good was in the ring and listed all of Mercedes Moon's accomplishments.

Speaker 6 She won this belt and that belt and the other belt. And when you say it out loud, it gets even more ridiculous.

Speaker 6 And then here she comes. And there's the balloons and the big cake in the ring.
And here come the outlaw guys dressed as the male strippers wearing her belts.

Speaker 7 Did you see the thing at the start of the show where they showed her arriving at the building and she's sitting like on a convertible and there are just all these, you know, men with their,

Speaker 7 I guess, jackets, but no shirts walking out holding her belts next to the car?

Speaker 6 Yes, it's, it's like the

Speaker 6 female version of Flair coming out at the WCW pay-per-view with like 18 models or whatever.

Speaker 6 Which, again, was that you could tell these guys are outlaw indie guys, so at least they're they're happy to be on television.

Speaker 6 But with when they used to hire models, and Vince did this too, you could tell the models didn't give two shits to be there and weren't going to be fucking the guy in question.

Speaker 6 Whereas, if they'd have left it to the boys' own devices, they could have got 12 better-looking women that were fucking them that could have come. But nevertheless, that's another story.

Speaker 6 But here, she, as they're coming out,

Speaker 6 a goddamn puppet comes out from under the cake table. It's Harley Cameron with the Mercedes puppet.
And of course, she's mic'd under the table that nobody knew she was there.

Speaker 7 So you can hear.

Speaker 6 I swear to God.

Speaker 6 You know, they're sitting there. They're doing a variety show, a sketch comedy, and they sit there and come up with these ideas, but it's preposterous.

Speaker 6 for a program where it's something supposed to really be happening.

Speaker 6 But she's mic'd, even though she's under the table but the puppet is talking and she makes fun of mercedes and gets renee to do the little stripper dance that mercedes does

Speaker 7 and then air she's having too much fun i'm sorry well me and gene wasn't out there just acting like a complete

Speaker 7 toady all the time just it's too much she's like well that's the thing is they all They all have to show that they're in on it and they're cool and that they're, you know.

Speaker 6 Anyway, Mercedes, when she came out, she was pissed and she kicked all the male strippers out

Speaker 6 and then told Renee to get out of the ring and then

Speaker 6 started cutting a promo

Speaker 6 talking to Harley Cameron

Speaker 6 verbally, but visually talking to the fucking puppet.

Speaker 6 And she'll turn and she'll talk to the fans too, but she is standing there reacting like the puppet is the person in the promo with her.

Speaker 6 Am I

Speaker 6 instead of bending over and saying, Hey, you

Speaker 6 get out from under that table? I got something to say to you. She's interacting with the puppet.
Am I

Speaker 6 exaggerating this?

Speaker 7 I think Mercedes Monet got to live out one of her dreams. This is as close as she'll ever get to being on the Muppet Show right here and fighting with Miss Piggy or something.

Speaker 7 She is so can see. That's the thing.
You admire how committed she is to her act,

Speaker 7 but she also sucks at it. She's so unbelievable in everything she says on the mic.
It's not

Speaker 7 good. But yet she's so committed to what inherently is not good.

Speaker 7 I'm fascinated.

Speaker 6 Do you think she's bucking to replace Miss Piggy? And here comes the Josephine camel Muppet.

Speaker 6 They haven't had a camel, have they?

Speaker 7 Don't put that in the art, George.

Speaker 7 George? George, do not know.

Speaker 6 You got a free book, George? No. You have a free book?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 6 Come here, George. Good, George.
Alrighty. Anyway.

Speaker 6 I heard that.

Speaker 6 So Mercedes cut the entire promo with the puppet next to her and then grabbed the puppet and smashed the puppet's face in the cake

Speaker 6 and then started laughing but then Harley

Speaker 6 looks out from under the table and like her friend has been run over by a car when she's looking at the puppet with cake on it

Speaker 6 and Mercedes is laughing at her but then suddenly Mercedes starts going up in the air

Speaker 6 and she's not

Speaker 6 levitating herself because she's Linda Blair and the fucking exorcist.

Speaker 6 Chris Statlander has been under the table too and stood up between Mercedes's legs and picked her up in an electric chair type of shoulder ride, chicken fight thing

Speaker 6 and gave Mercedes a facebuster into the cake on the table. The table didn't break.
So then she grabbed her and turned her around the other way and chokeslammed her onto the table where it then broke.

Speaker 6 Brian, do you think

Speaker 6 do you think that this is going to have the same impact as it did in Mid-South Wrestling when the Rock and Roll Express shoved my face in the cake and then we came back and took a blackjack to cowboy Bill Watts and set records all over the territory?

Speaker 7 Oh, I can't imagine that this will do anywhere near the business that it did in 1988.

Speaker 7 When it happened to you on TBS with the Fantastics, let alone...

Speaker 6 I don't think this is going to do the business it did in 1983 when it happened to me in chat.

Speaker 7 Well, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 6 I was at Fifi the Dog's birthday party.

Speaker 7 That's right.

Speaker 6 34 people in the Channel 3 studio audience.

Speaker 7 The fact that

Speaker 7 here's what I'd like to know: in Kayfabe,

Speaker 7 did she think I'm going to ruin this puppet by sticking it into the cake, or did she think I'm going to hurt this puppet by sticking it into the cake?

Speaker 7 And then Harley comes out to sell the puppet being hurt.

Speaker 6 Couldn't she have

Speaker 7 how did they get under the table? How did that happen?

Speaker 6 Well, that was during the break. They were hustled out under the cover of darkness, I guess.
But couldn't she have been over and said, Harley?

Speaker 6 Because she's talking, she's saying Harley Cameron's name, Harley?

Speaker 6 She couldn't bend over and say, get your ass out from under that table and let me talk to you. She talked to the puppet for three minutes.

Speaker 7 What did you think about before she cake-planted here?

Speaker 7 Earlier in the promo, a couple of times, she referred to the fans as marks.

Speaker 7 Whether wrestlers think that or not, you rarely hear that used in actual promos. What do you think of that?

Speaker 6 Well, she wants to talk to all the smart fans and tell them that she knows that they're smart, but they're not as smart as they think they are because she's really smart.

Speaker 6 She's a mark too, because she's a mark for herself.

Speaker 6 If you're a mark for yourself, you're worse than if you're a mark for somebody else.

Speaker 6 It's

Speaker 6 they have to, that's the problem with all the indie wrestlers and everybody that facilitates them. They have to

Speaker 6 let everybody know it's all a work. They can't

Speaker 6 not have their tongue in cheek. They can't not wink, wink, and nod, nod.
And then some of them will think, like this was started by our

Speaker 6 legendary patient Zero himself, Shit Stain.

Speaker 6 That if you say you're not working or acknowledge

Speaker 6 some element of the fact that everything's a work, then it becomes real all of a sudden. Because you said, now the other shit's fake, but this is real.

Speaker 6 Or the use of the terminology or what it's just stupid.

Speaker 7 I started in ECW too, like the whole, this is a shoot. Yeah.
Okay, what's everything else?

Speaker 6 The shit.

Speaker 7 This was perversely perversely entertaining to me because, again, she's so it's like an SC TV character. She's so committed to being Mercedes Monet,

Speaker 7 yet she can't say a single thing believably.

Speaker 7 It all comes across like she's been rehearsing this in her mirror.

Speaker 7 Maybe with someone using a sock as a puppet. I really don't know.

Speaker 6 You know why?

Speaker 6 Because she's been rehearsing it in the mirror. And I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know who in the equation is using a sock.

Speaker 7 Who do you think is going to win a match?

Speaker 6 Mercedes.

Speaker 7 Who do you think is going to win a match? Her and Statlander, the belt collector versus the AEW women's champion.

Speaker 6 That's another thing is Statlander has,

Speaker 6 and we've said this for a long time.

Speaker 6 She has size, she has potential, she has athletic ability.

Speaker 6 Nobody apparently has worked with her with her promos, or maybe they have, and this is what we got.

Speaker 6 The pushes have been start and stop, even more so. She's had a couple of injuries, yes, but there's never a consistent push in this company anyway.
She needs to be

Speaker 6 she needed to be produced three and four and five years ago, Statlander.

Speaker 6 And then she'd be

Speaker 6 not only more accomplished than she is today, but a more valuable commodity. But at the same time,

Speaker 6 you know, they just

Speaker 6 put this thing on her.

Speaker 6 If she loses it to Mercedes, then again,

Speaker 6 at some point, Mercedes is going to have to do more jobs than goddamn George South or just retire undefeated as the women's champion of everything.

Speaker 6 So I don't know what the fuck they're doing here.

Speaker 7 And I will say Statlander did a promo in the show,

Speaker 7 and it was a light years better than the rehearsed speech she gave in that segment with Tony Storm the week before.

Speaker 7 So there still is something there.

Speaker 6 There's something there. It just needs to be brought out and accentuated and capitalized on instead of forgotten about lost in the shuffle, like everybody in this fucking company.

Speaker 7 And another thing to be on the lookout for, apparently, Red Velvet's on the way to return from injury.

Speaker 7 And she's been in Ring of Honor. We haven't seen her.

Speaker 6 Was she run over by a trolley car? How long has she been out? I haven't seen her in three years.

Speaker 7 Like I said, she apparently has been on the Ring of Honor roster for a while, but the point is, she is the Ring of Honor Women's Television Champion.

Speaker 7 So you have to think there's going to be something coming up there because Mercedes Monet is now the Ring of Honor Interim Women's Television Champion.

Speaker 6 I can't wait.

Speaker 7 There's so many bells, so many championships.

Speaker 6 And speaking of people that you get sick of and

Speaker 6 you wish they would disappear from television,

Speaker 6 Dick the Boozer versus Kyle O'Reilly was next. And again,

Speaker 6 big fan of Kyle O'Reilly since he was just a teenage young fellow, different style, works hard, genuine kind of guy,

Speaker 6 has been made meaningless here.

Speaker 6 This match was going to be as good as Dick the Boozer can be because Kyle is talented, but I can't really stomach

Speaker 6 watching any more of Moxley than I have to because of the fakery and the same old shit.

Speaker 6 So they did about 10 minutes and they went back and forth. And O'Reilly got an ankle lock.

Speaker 6 And Moxley, trying to get away from it, struggling to get away from it, reached up and knocked out the referee,

Speaker 6 as the announcer said, because so he doesn't have to tap out again.

Speaker 6 What the fuck? This is a game. He didn't.

Speaker 6 He didn't sell any major superstar in this company for fucking two years. And now when Kyle O'Reilly gets an ankle lock, his only alternative is to knock the referee out and get disqualified.

Speaker 6 But eight,

Speaker 6 that's the here's another problem.

Speaker 6 Tony has no consistency

Speaker 6 in the logic that doesn't exist in his universe he's created.

Speaker 6 And we've talked about this before, but there has to be a standard,

Speaker 6 somewhat standard level of response to shit from show to show,

Speaker 6 or elsewhere it glaringly makes things look goofy. In this case,

Speaker 6 Moxley punches the referee

Speaker 6 eight seconds, I counted.

Speaker 6 After the referee hit the mat,

Speaker 6 all four of the other referees in the company were in the ring and waving their arms and fucking yelling.

Speaker 7 Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 6 Like they were standing there waiting to get their cue, which they were.

Speaker 6 And then they run in. We've had people attempt to murder other people.
We've had flamethrowers and bleach pouring and fucking

Speaker 6 lighter fluid and Molotov cocktails.

Speaker 6 But one referee gets punched and the entire staff is in the ring within seconds.

Speaker 6 And then

Speaker 6 the faces and heel partners all hit the ring and they have a brief skirmish and they went to the break.

Speaker 6 But it's just because Tony thought of this spot, this thing to do, or somebody else thought of it.

Speaker 6 And let's do it just this way. And nobody is either there to say or will be listened to.

Speaker 6 This doesn't make any sense compared to the way we do it every other time and every other show.

Speaker 6 Why can't we get consistency?

Speaker 6 But it's just a break spot to them.

Speaker 6 And then when we come back from the break, hey, I'll go ahead, I'll let you in in a second.

Speaker 6 But it was another six-man tag with the heel partners against the babyface partners that had just done the run-in.

Speaker 7 And that's happened a few times recently where everyone who ran in just happened to be in the next match.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 so, whatever you were going to say, but tell me what,

Speaker 6 why they can't just have some consistency.

Speaker 6 It's the same thing with the this certain type of title match means nobody can be at ringside and nobody can interfere.

Speaker 6 So they don't.

Speaker 6 Well, in that case, dumb fucks, you've just shown the fans that

Speaker 6 if you say nobody can interfere, then they can't. So the next time that the heels interfere and fuck up the main event of your pay-per-view, the fans are mad at you.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 7 I was going to ask you, do you think this does anything to help Kyle O'Reilly?

Speaker 7 Because he didn't beat Jon Moxley, but Jon Moxley appeared to think think that he was about to be beat or have to tap out. So he did something he's never done before, just hit the referee,

Speaker 7 knowing it's a disqualification.

Speaker 6 It doesn't help, Kyle, because nobody's going to remember it next week or the week after.

Speaker 6 On a program without constant interference and constant running in and constant chaos of all kinds,

Speaker 6 If you take a guy and give him a concerted, consistent push, he might win this week on TV. Next week, you might show brief footage of the victory and he might speak.

Speaker 6 The next week, he might speak again or he might wrestle again, but it might be talking about the upcoming pay-per-view, which is the first time he's on pay-per-view, where he's going to win.

Speaker 6 in a middle card match. And

Speaker 6 over a period of time, you've exposed him speaking and working and being talked about and being involved in a bigger match. That's the way you get somebody over.

Speaker 6 You don't just do one finish in one fucking match, and nobody remembers it three days later.

Speaker 6 Speaking of not remembering this three days later, so they got a six-man tag.

Speaker 6 Briscoe and Roderick Strong and Pockets against Claudio and Danny Garcia and Wheeler Useless.

Speaker 6 And this went almost 15 minutes. And

Speaker 6 I could tell by fast forward that the mascot still sticks his hands in his pockets and his opponents still look like complete idiots trying to stooge for him and make it palatable.

Speaker 6 But finally, after about, like I said, 15 minutes, Mark Briscoe beats Wheeler Useless with the J driller, which looks great. What a finish, right? Boom.
One, two, three.

Speaker 6 But then Pack comes in and starts kicking his shit out of Mark. But then Ishii comes in.

Speaker 6 And Ishii hit Pack with 13 forearms.

Speaker 6 And Pack went to one knee.

Speaker 6 How excited.

Speaker 6 God damn, when the babyface comes in and mega save, the heels are supposed to fly. They're supposed to bump.
They're supposed to get the people up.

Speaker 6 Then Schaefer nutshotted Ishii,

Speaker 6 but Kyle O'Reilly came back in, but they stopped him.

Speaker 6 And Claudio was going to pick pockets up and throw him on the announced desk the way that he did to Darby. But Darby hit the ring

Speaker 6 and hit Claudio a couple times with a baseball bat.

Speaker 6 And the heels finally ran off.

Speaker 6 So, Brian, now do you.

Speaker 7 That Sting's bat.

Speaker 6 Well, of course it is. Darby's homeless.
He can't afford a bat. He stole it from his elder.

Speaker 7 Sting gave it to him. Let's stole the bat.
Sting gave it to him.

Speaker 6 But the point being, do you remember what the finish was of

Speaker 6 Moxley and O'Reilly after you've just seen all this shit over the last 15 minutes?

Speaker 7 I do,

Speaker 7 but I remember more that Moxley hit the referee than I do

Speaker 7 who he was trying to get away from or who was in the match with. It's more about Moxley doing it to the referee than Kyle O'Reilly almost beat Moxley.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, because Kyle just came back in and they just beat the shit out of him now. So,

Speaker 6 Brian, see, that's the thing. You can always, you can pretty well predict when you're watching AEW that every match will end with a run-in,

Speaker 6 that every match, regardless whether the heel wins or loses or what happens, they're going to start kicking the shit out of them afterwards. Another six or eight people, they're going to run in.

Speaker 6 You can pretty much, you can pick it

Speaker 6 before you even see the show. As a matter of fact, I wonder if our friends at Prize Picks have started offering options on AEW.

Speaker 6 Will the particular wrestler you pick go through three tables more or three tables or less in a given match?

Speaker 6 That might be something where they could pick up a lot more of the wrestling fans. What do you think?

Speaker 7 I think that's a very interesting

Speaker 7 observation you have there.

Speaker 7 I don't know if that's exactly how it works, but I do know that a lot of the audience are getting ready for the big game coming up and they want to see how they can pick them.

Speaker 7 Pick them. Whether you want to pick them or whether you're Wilson picket, whatever it may be, Jim, prize picks is there for you.

Speaker 6 Well, you can pick them or you can stack them

Speaker 6 because prize picks is simple to play. Just pick more or less on at least two player stats.
And if you get your picks right, you can cash in.

Speaker 6 You can get in on the action on football and basketball in more than 40 states, including California, Texas, and Georgia. And now

Speaker 6 prize picks offer stacks.

Speaker 6 You can pick the same player up to three times in the same lineup. Now, I've said before, that sounds shady.
That sounds like you're kind of loading the deck there.

Speaker 6 But if you want to pick more on Steph Curry's points, three-pointers, and assist, now you can pick all of them in the same lineup only on prize picks. And

Speaker 6 you can follow other prize picks players directly on the app and copy their lineups in one click.

Speaker 6 Whether it be a friend, a celebrity partner, or just someone that you'd like to plagiarize, you can hit the follow button and check out every lineup that they create and then jump in and steal their money from them.

Speaker 7 Again, not the terminology we would use and not exactly how that works, but well, it says right here on prize picks: how you play is up to you.

Speaker 6 If you want to cheat, no.

Speaker 6 Seems like you ought to be able to.

Speaker 7 Antonio Noki's yelling something and he doesn't want to stop.

Speaker 6 Well, if you want flexibility, choose play. Flex play.

Speaker 7 Flex play.

Speaker 6 Flex play, where you can get paid even if one of your picks misses. That sounds like you're working for Tony Khan.

Speaker 6 Because even if you fail at your task, you'll still get paid. And if you want the biggest payouts, go for the power play.

Speaker 6 No matter your play, prize picks is a great way to put your takes to the test. They even offer injury reboots.

Speaker 6 So apparently, if you can, I don't know, go to one of the games games and throw a banana peel on the court in front of the guy where he slips and falls down, or maybe pick him off with a slingshot.

Speaker 6 Well, then he gets rebooted if he's injured and it doesn't cost you any money.

Speaker 7 I'm not exactly sure that's how it works, but let's say that's not how it works.

Speaker 6 Well, just for the sake of saying it, let's say it's not how it works something like that.

Speaker 7 Something, maybe.

Speaker 6 Let's say that the

Speaker 6 old, you know, Steph Curry, he's a basketball player, right?

Speaker 7 He is.

Speaker 6 Well, let's say he's running down the court and he's going to make that three-pointer that's going to sink your picks. We'll just squirt a little baby oil right in front of him.

Speaker 6 He's going to slip, bust his ass, and drop that ball, and then you win. Prize picks.

Speaker 7 No, I don't think that's how it works. Again, legitimate ways to show what you know.

Speaker 7 Make your picks, make your prize picks, make your picks, give you prizes, as only delivered by prize picks, Jim.

Speaker 6 Well, you know, it's not who you know, but who you blow. So right now,

Speaker 6 download the prize picks app and use the code JCE because you're blowing me. And that way you get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup.
So right there.

Speaker 6 50 bucks for a Hummer. That's not a bad fucking proposition.

Speaker 7 Again, a metaphorical thing.

Speaker 7 We're talking about a great deal with prize picks.

Speaker 6 Well, pick more or less on the Hummers as far as how long it's going to take. That's code JCE

Speaker 6 to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup because on prize picks, it's good to be right.

Speaker 6 And it's even better to get a gum job.

Speaker 6 They take the whole

Speaker 7 adventures out.

Speaker 7 Oh, no, you heard what that means. That means let's get to the important.

Speaker 6 That sounds like somebody fell down. Prize picks.
Pick how many times they're going to fall down.

Speaker 6 Well, we're back to the show, Brian. The AEW program.
And next was Don Fallus

Speaker 6 and his prize pupil, the protostar Kyle Felcher.

Speaker 6 A lot of people now

Speaker 6 are complaining because I said Kyle needs hair.

Speaker 6 Doesn't he need hair? He needs to lose the glasses and get some hair because he looks like a dweeb

Speaker 6 during study hall

Speaker 6 over at the library trying to cram for his latest test.

Speaker 6 He doesn't look

Speaker 6 from the neck down, he looks like an intimidating athlete. From the neck up, he looks and sounds like Roddy McFucking Dowell.

Speaker 6 Can you tell me I'm lying there

Speaker 7 that he sounds like Roddy McDowell? I don't know.

Speaker 6 He sounds like Roddy Dowell.

Speaker 6 He's very proper, but also he just looks so nerdy and dweeby. He's too young.

Speaker 6 Young looking. We want young people.
Terry Gordy looked 25 when he was 16.

Speaker 6 I don't know. It's just something, the look, he's got all the tools, but God, he just comes out and again.

Speaker 6 He looks like, you know, with the accent and the, the, just the foppishness.

Speaker 6 We need to do something with that.

Speaker 6 He cuts a promo on Mark Briscoe, says done. It's over with.

Speaker 6 I'm done with you. So, of course, Mark Briscoe's music came, played, and he came out.

Speaker 6 He's good on the microphone. He sounds like he looks.

Speaker 6 He is a gimmick. He doesn't have a gimmick.

Speaker 6 But he wants one more shot, sort of like we were talking earlier in the show, Tommy Rich and Abdullah the Butcher. I think I can beat you again.
Except Kyle ain't Abdullah the Butcher.

Speaker 6 But Don tells Briscoe, basically, you're great, et cetera, but you sound desperate because you got 10 hungry kids to feed at home. That's a financial burden.

Speaker 6 You need a family like ours and kind of hints that maybe he was trying to ask him to join it. And he called his children blood-sucking leeches and then said, no, you can't have another match.

Speaker 6 And then Mark and Kyle stared at each other.

Speaker 6 I mean,

Speaker 6 Kyle's going to have better matches with Briscoe than he does with most people

Speaker 6 because Briscoe's better than most people here. But

Speaker 6 as we saw, we've seen it. And I don't know what there is left for them to do because that was part of the problem with

Speaker 6 they did every goddamn thing.

Speaker 6 And then finally, Kyle didn't. He kicked him in the balls and hit him with a finish and got a two count.

Speaker 6 Then, as I recall, he hit him with three or four more finishers and beat him. So he didn't even fuck Briscoe.

Speaker 6 He just beat him flat because he wasn't smart enough to kick him in the balls, hit him with his finish and beat him there. Briscoe would have had an out.
Kyle would have got some heat.

Speaker 6 You might have necessitated a rematch.

Speaker 6 None of those things happen.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I guess they're going to do it again.

Speaker 6 Did you have any comments to make on that?

Speaker 7 The other problem is, and again, I don't want to see this again. I have no problem with Mark Briscoe.
It's just, I just saw this match and it went like 30 minutes.

Speaker 7 But who else is there for Kyle to work with?

Speaker 7 The guy's a belt holder there. He towers over everyone.

Speaker 7 There aren't too many people for him to work with, are there?

Speaker 7 And I mean, the worst thing is he's part of the Callus family, which is a giant, endless group feuding with like other giant groups of random people like the conglomeration.

Speaker 6 Well, some of the callous people are feuding with their own selves. But again, I also go back to this, but it remains a problem.

Speaker 6 They could have got Briscoe over to where he would be at a main event level now instead of having come out of the joke level middle card.

Speaker 6 And this would mean more. It would mean more if other people had been.
elevated when they had the chance, but they didn't.

Speaker 6 And now, because they've run out of other people, they're trying to do it, and it's too late.

Speaker 6 Speaking of too late,

Speaker 6 for the unified title, Brian, Bandito and Oblada.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 since this is the unified title, there's no interference allowed.

Speaker 6 So again, as I referenced earlier, that means the promotion can then dictate whether there's interference or not.

Speaker 6 So anytime there's interference, the promotion gets the heat instead of the fucking heels.

Speaker 6 And this is a title match.

Speaker 6 Bandito came in carrying two belts.

Speaker 6 Now they're the world tag team champions, and he's also some kind of champion in Ring of Honor still, right?

Speaker 7 Oh, is he the Ring of Honor world champion?

Speaker 6 Well, no, he's the champion.

Speaker 7 The tag team champion was the tag champion. But I think, is he the ring of honor world champion too?

Speaker 6 Oh, good lord. I don't know.

Speaker 7 Didn't he beat Jericho?

Speaker 6 Well, I applaud him for that.

Speaker 6 And Okada has his belt.

Speaker 6 They gave the statistic: Okada is 14-0 at AEW in 2025.

Speaker 6 The most overpushed guy since Bulldog Bob Brown.

Speaker 6 What the fuck? So

Speaker 6 they rang the bell with six minutes on the air.

Speaker 6 And I know they were going to overrun, but I watched the first three minutes of it.

Speaker 6 Sloppy, lazy shit.

Speaker 6 Bandito tries.

Speaker 6 Oblada never tries.

Speaker 6 And they went to break after three minutes with three minutes left on the air. And I didn't come back.

Speaker 6 But my question is,

Speaker 6 after Okada won again, who came out and beat Bandito up? Do you even remember?

Speaker 7 I don't.

Speaker 6 And there's another part of the problem. I guarantee it was somebody.

Speaker 6 As a matter of fact, hold on here. Can we look this up?

Speaker 6 Let me look up, see if I can find the

Speaker 6 summation of this, the transcript of this important television program to see who beat up Bandito.

Speaker 6 Bandito, Bandito, Bandito. Bandito, Bandito, Bandito.

Speaker 7 Hold on.

Speaker 6 Ah.

Speaker 6 14 minutes and 22 seconds it took for Oblada to beat Bandito.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 Dr. Renwood Tope, Frog Splash.

Speaker 6 Boy, they did a lot of stuff. That's a great review.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Finished saw Bandito hit the 21 plex, but Okada backed up so he couldn't spring off the ropes and landed short, and Okada hit the Rainmaker.

Speaker 6 After the match, the entire Callus family came out except Tega Shit.

Speaker 6 But then Tega Shit came out with the IWGP title belt and scared at Okada. So Fandito didn't get beat up.
He just got beat.

Speaker 6 And now they're staring at each other over their belts.

Speaker 6 And there you have it. We have no ratings because they don't give those type of things anymore.

Speaker 6 Except they just send a note to the promotions office each week saying it was bad again.

Speaker 6 The new system is not doing wrestling any favors and we ain't getting quarter hours and it takes days and days before you get

Speaker 6 any ratings for any of the shows

Speaker 6 and they're disheartening when they come out. Is that pretty much

Speaker 6 summarize the situation right now?

Speaker 7 Well, part of the issue too is with all the changes happening, also it brought some attention, I I guess WrestleMix, Brandon Thurston, put up something that, like, he wasn't directly threatened, but I guess he felt threatened enough that he's not reprinting any quarter-hour numbers he gets anymore.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, they said you don't be releasing that type of information around here, boy, which is interesting because how could that be proprietary information?

Speaker 7 It's something you're reporting, right?

Speaker 6 But you know, who knows? Well, yeah, but they have to tell the advertisers because that's how that the advertisers determine what they're paying and et cetera, et cetera. But

Speaker 6 then that creates a where, you know,

Speaker 6 where do you draw the line? Where is the cutoff point of who gets this deep, dark secret information?

Speaker 6 But it sure does cut down on some of our fun, doesn't it?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Fuck you, Nielsen.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I never liked him. I don't care.

Speaker 6 If people let me tell you about my best friend, sure, it was a nice song,

Speaker 6 But that's the last thing he ever did good for anybody. Fuck Nielsen.

Speaker 7 Not the same guy in any way.

Speaker 6 What? He didn't start that company? That wasn't him.

Speaker 6 What did he do?

Speaker 7 He drank.

Speaker 6 To death?

Speaker 6 Or just to excess?

Speaker 7 To excess, and then he cleaned up and then he died.

Speaker 6 How old was Nielsen when he died?

Speaker 7 I don't know, but the famous myth, and it is only a myth, but for years people thought it could be real,

Speaker 7 that when he died, it was like the mid-90s,

Speaker 7 his funeral was like during one of the earthquakes in Southern California. And the rumor was like the ground opened up and swallowed the coffin

Speaker 7 in the funeral hall, which is amazing. And of course, it wasn't true at all.

Speaker 6 Well, I want to go that way.

Speaker 6 Just have the earth open up and swallow me right up.

Speaker 7 Do you want people there? Like, do you want it to be like something where some people are going to be able to do it?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I want a few to fall in on top of me.

Speaker 6 I'll take some bitches with me.

Speaker 6 If I could figure out a way to make that happen, I would leave a lineup for my service with all the people I wanted in the front row closest to the edge of the hole.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 6 Are we done here for this week?

Speaker 7 I think so. I mean,

Speaker 7 you know, I don't know how much more there is to say.

Speaker 6 Well, in that case, let's say no more because a wink is as good as a nod to a blind man.

Speaker 6 Until then, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back with uh your show, Brian, in a few days to drive through. And then another one of these next week.
We've got Saturday night's main event coming up.

Speaker 6 There's all kinds of stuff going on, and Halloween, and all that good shit. So,

Speaker 6 until then, folks, and in parting,

Speaker 6 we wish you a very happy and healthy thank you, Fuck Mew, and bye-bye, everybody.

Speaker 7 Get the experience,

Speaker 7 get the experience, of Jim Carnett,

Speaker 7 of Jim Cornette

Speaker 7 of Jim Connet.