Dr. Rachel Wellner MD

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Speaker 4 My guest today, Dr. Rachel Elner, MD, is an incredible woman, and I am so honored that I met her.
Dr.

Speaker 4 Rachel is the founder and CEO of Calum Diagnostic Solutions, a biohacking company that is developing state-of-the-art technology to give biopsy results in minutes and end the nightmare of the long waits for results.

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Speaker 4 Roo, a charismatic kangaroo doctor, and her team of lovable friends.

Speaker 4 Together, they embark on exciting journeys across the globe, solving medical mysteries and teaching valuable health lessons along the way, making health an adventure targeted at children ages for two eight.

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Speaker 4 Rachel is so busy and she was so kind to open her home to me and my team so we could record this episode since she couldn't even drive to our studios.

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Speaker 4 Hi, America. Dr.
Rachel. First of all, I have to say thank you for opening up your home to us.
Because if I would not come to you, we probably would never do this, right?

Speaker 4 Me, Casa Sukasa. Welcome to my house.
Are you kidding? I know. I'm so very.
We try to schedule you to be on the podcast for so many months. And I know you're so, so, so, so busy.

Speaker 4 Finally, I'm like, okay, I got to go to this woman because I want to talk to her. And I don't want to wait anymore.
So, thank you with all my heart. You know, huge thank you.
I thank you the same way.

Speaker 4 You know, you're such a busy person and you're so needed and so important. And thank you for taking the time to come see me.
Powerful women.

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Speaker 4 We are in Marina-Del Rey. It's your home, but it's also your creative studio.

Speaker 4 We are going to talk about all of it because not only are you a fantastic doctor, you have an incredible body of work as a doctor, but you are the writer of this beautiful, beautiful children's books.

Speaker 4 I don't even have children, and I fell in love with the books. Doctor Rue, these adorable, adorable characters.
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Speaker 4 We cannot talk about it and explain. And we're gonna talk about all the books: how you are teaching kids about health in a fun way.
That's why she's on vacation.

Speaker 4 On vacation. Kids can be healthy and there they go.
Yes, yes, yes. Well, let's start from the beginning for people that don't know you.
You are obviously a super successful doctor. You're an MD.

Speaker 4 You've done so much in the name of science. And you started a company called Kalem.
So can you explain to people that don't know your work, what is Kalen?

Speaker 4 Because I know it's going to change medicine as we know it. And I think I have an audience of women all over the world.
And I think this is so important.

Speaker 4 So let's pause and talk about Calem for a second. Sure, Kat.
So Calem Diagnostic Solutions, I named the company Calem, which is a Latin word for heaven, actually.

Speaker 4 And essentially, like I recognized as a breast cancer surgeon that there was a significant pain point for patients. And there are a lot of pain points.
when you're dealing with breast cancer.

Speaker 4 But one significant one was when a patient would go and have a biopsy done. So a patient would have, let's say, a spot on her mammogram that looked suspicious, that looked like it could be cancer.

Speaker 4 And so the doctor said, we have to take a piece of that tissue out and analyze it to see what it is. That's what a biopsy is.
Right. So

Speaker 4 often unbeknownst to the patient who prepares herself for that biopsy. and thinks that that's the worst when it's over.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Then that patient is told to go home, come back in several days, anywhere from three days, 10 days, sometimes weeks, it takes for a biopsy to come back.

Speaker 4 And during that time, that patient is so full of anxiety. It's very hard to describe.
I would get calls two o'clock in the morning, things like that, from patients saying, I just know I have cancer.

Speaker 4 And in the breast cancer space, 80% of biopsies are benign. So most of those patients.
Meaning in the negative.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Most of those patients did not have cancer.
So you're suffering, anticipating the result, and it turns out it's nothing. And it happened to me, by the way.

Speaker 4 Oh, and the patients that end up having cancer, a lot of them will actually attest to the fact that the worst part was waiting, knowing that they couldn't do anything about it. They're powerless.

Speaker 4 It's, I wouldn't say it's equally as painful, but it is as painful or it's very painful for the physicians because the physicians have their hands tied. We can't do anything for the patient.

Speaker 4 The medical centers can't treat the patient.

Speaker 4 So, with this pain point in mind, knowing how long it takes for biopsies to be tested because of the long process it takes to process tissues and read slides and things like that, I have devised a system or device that actually performs rapid biopsy, biopsy results in five minutes.

Speaker 4 So, while the patient is actually there in the procedure room,

Speaker 4 there's a printout,

Speaker 4 you know, using

Speaker 4 software, AI,

Speaker 4 in addition to some interesting auto-fluorescent techniques that actually will render that biopsy result so the patient can learn right away whether she has cancer.

Speaker 4 Now, I should say it's not limited to breast cancer. Right.

Speaker 4 You know, we're trying to tackle the top five to begin with, which is skin, colon, prostate, breast, and lung. That's pretty incredible.
So this is what Calem is developing.

Speaker 4 technology that will give patients biopsy results in under five minutes. That's incredible.
And obviously, it will change the world. It will change medicine as we know it.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, if you just think about it, the minute a patient knows what's going on, he or she can get treated. Yeah.
Outcomes will change. Cancer is a time-sensitive problem.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 The earlier, the faster that you treat it, the earlier you diagnose it, the faster that you treat it, the better the outcome for the patient. You let that cancer sit there and not do anything.

Speaker 4 The cancer is going to grow. It is going to spread and it is going to kill.
And that's what, you know, Calem is all about is trying to stop that process as early as possible.

Speaker 4 And this is why when I met you, ever since I met you a few months ago, I was like, we have to talk about it. We have to spread the news because it did happen to me, by the way.
I do.

Speaker 4 I'm very religious about getting my mammograms because you're a doctor. You tell me if I'm right.

Speaker 4 Many years ago, my doctor told me girls with big big boobs like us, we have a lot of tissue, right, in our breasts. And many times the mammogram comes saying like, oh, you need to go get retested.

Speaker 4 You might have something in there. They don't know what it is because they can't see as well as women with small boobs.
And it happened to me twice.

Speaker 4 Once, many years ago, they thought I had something and they brought me back to do a different test. Turned out to be nothing.

Speaker 4 And last year, exactly the situation that you mentioned, in the middle of my summer, I did my mammogram and they called me and said, we think you have something in there.

Speaker 4 And they were going to give me the result three weeks later. I don't know why, because that's how long it took.
It was going to take here in California, Kaiser.

Speaker 4 And all those three weeks, my life was in pause. Because, like you said, if you might have a cancer diagnostic, you're not thinking about going on vacation.

Speaker 4 You're not thinking about making plans for the future. You're thinking like...
You don't even want to make plans.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 4 My life was was paralyzed. I remember sitting on my couch working and literally making plans.
Like, okay, if something happens to me, this is what I got to do. No, no, no.
So, yeah, it's paralyzing.

Speaker 4 It's paralyzed. Thank God.

Speaker 4 Turn out again, it was nothing again.

Speaker 4 But when I met you, I was like, oh my God, the agony, the agony of the waiting.

Speaker 4 And so many women that were there that day with me that went back to the test, you're sitting in that waiting room and your life is on the balance.

Speaker 4 And it's just one of the most horrible feelings in the world.

Speaker 4 I had to have a biopsy when I was 25. And even at that age of 25, knowing that the risk of cancer that is just so low,

Speaker 4 it's almost, it's almost not possible. It does happen, but it's very rare.

Speaker 4 But I can tell you that waiting for those biopsies, I just had that thinking feeling like my heart was in my feet that I had breast cancer i'm sure of it i know something's wrong i know this is not right that kind of thing i didn't thank god it was everything was benign now just to dispel a little bit yeah that large breasts there's maybe one study out there that says that you know women with large breasts are at increased risk for cancer it's it's intuitively you think that you have a higher risk because there's more breast tissue but the truth is you know just to dispel not not to panic women with large breasts because it really isn't a very large large risk factor.

Speaker 4 Thank goodness. But what is a risk factor is dense breasts.
Dense breasts. Dense breasts.
And dense breasts means women that have, it's very fibrotic tissue. This is sort of firm.

Speaker 4 Mammogram is hard to see through it.

Speaker 4 And those patients have an increased risk of breast cancer.

Speaker 4 So do you, so now this is a, I think this is a question that a lot of women have because depending on which doctor they go to and even which state you are at, because I know California varies from Florida, that varies from somewhere else, different opinions.

Speaker 4 But you're a doctor and you're definitely an expert in your field. In general, do you think most women should get a mammogram every year?

Speaker 4 You know, some of the guidelines have said every two years now.

Speaker 4 You know, generally speaking, the American Society of Breast Surgeons we recommend every year.

Speaker 4 Some of the task force have said every two years. But you know, we even with all of this, this is a new technology, which is kind of incredible, AI imaging,

Speaker 4 mammogram is still the tried and true.

Speaker 4 So the physicians will still recommend the mammogram as the most sensitive and specific test to get done. It's not always the only test that needs to get done.

Speaker 4 Oftentimes patients will also need an ultrasound, possibly an MRI, depending on her risk.

Speaker 4 But, you know, it's a case-by-case situation. But in general, the guideline is once you are about 40 years old, you should start getting mammograms once a year.

Speaker 4 About 40, but they should, because I know so many, it's unbelievable to me. I still hear women saying, I don't think I need it.
I'm scared. It hurts.
I mean, it can save your life.

Speaker 4 It's not the most pleasant explanation. No, it's not, but it can save your life, right?

Speaker 4 And some people have very sensitive breasts. Yeah.
So it does hurt when the breasts get compressed by the mammogram machine. But it's like a second.
The truth is, it's not so bad.

Speaker 4 And one out of eight women in this country get breast cancer. That's 12%.
One out of eight women. That's 12%.

Speaker 4 So get your mammogram. Yeah.
And

Speaker 4 the pain. Deal with the pain.
Yeah. Endure it.

Speaker 4 I'm not insensitive to it. I'm just saying endure it because.
for a few moments while you're having that test, you could be saving your life. No, and listen, I think I agree, hurts.

Speaker 4 And like I said, a big boobs hurts even more. I think that's very

Speaker 4 second.

Speaker 4 But it's only a few seconds. It's not like you're there for many minutes.
It's only a few seconds, right? You know, everybody's different.

Speaker 4 And I've heard some women say it's like, it's the worst experience ever. And other women, you know, like for me, I've had that and I'm like, yeah, same.
I don't care.

Speaker 4 It's fine.

Speaker 4 And other women just, you know, it doesn't bother them. Everybody has different thresholds for pain and their bodies are different.
So there's no judgment here in terms of, you know,

Speaker 4 of how difficult it can be. But it is early detection is known to be one of the most important factors in determining survivability and breast cancer.
Yeah, go get tested.

Speaker 4 Yes, go get tested. And that's also what's prompting me to do this.
early biopsy because you know think about it instead of waiting two weeks to find out you know right away it's actionable.

Speaker 4 So, this test that Calem is developing at your bio lab in Texas

Speaker 4 is being tested now, right? And

Speaker 4 our test results are incredible. It's amazing, amazing.
It works. So, hopefully, it's something that will be rolled out.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, there's always a process. There's like the FDA and everything else, regulatory.

Speaker 4 You know, there's

Speaker 4 CMS for CPT codes. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of red tape when you are trying to do something like this.

Speaker 4 But the way that I'm doing this is on specimen biopsies has already been taken out of the body. So there's no danger or harm to the person.

Speaker 4 And, you know, my test has proven that there's no injury to the tissue. It will still go to pathology for confirmation, but you'll get an actionable answer right away.
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Speaker 4 You know, it's interesting with men versus women. And if you study the history of like cancer, for instance, there's this really good book called The Embrobel Maladies

Speaker 4 by Dr. Mukherjee, I forget his first name.
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Speaker 4 cancer was discovered, early treatments were discovered and things like that.

Speaker 4 And in like the 70s, there was a big movement of women who were advocates and they started raising awareness about breast cancer. And more and more women joined and became very vocal about it.

Speaker 4 I think it kind of like paralleled the ERA and the women's movement and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 So even to this day, there are, you know, I don't know, hundreds of advocacy groups for women with breast cancer or who are afraid of breast cancer or fighting against breast cancer, and they're vocal.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 men tend to be a little more introverted about it and they don't want to talk about it. Okay, prostate cancer could mean if they have to have their prostate removed.
Now, we have great treatments now.

Speaker 4 There's robotic surgery, radiation, nothing, this, that, but it can cause in rare instances impotence and incontinence. These are some very big fears for men.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, just as a woman is afraid of losing her breast, a man, this is, you know, men. It's a very difficult

Speaker 4 sweat. And, you know, I found, I mean, you know, support groups for men, they're just not as available and they're not as talkative.
Yeah. So,

Speaker 4 you know, that's why I think

Speaker 4 about it, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. You know, why not talk about it? Get support you need, get the treatment that you need.
And you're not alone. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 And I think men need more platforms and should be able to talk about it. That's why I mentioned it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I appreciate it because I get messages for men that want to know, talk about it, how to get tested, where should I go?

Speaker 4 I'm embarrassed, I'm scared, I'm afraid, and there are always resources, right? Where they end because it's important, yeah, for them to get tested.

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Speaker 4 An exam

Speaker 4 in the doctor's office, they do a digital rectal exam and feel for the prostate to see if it's enlarged or if there are any lumps on it. And a man will also have a blood test,

Speaker 4 his

Speaker 4 prostate levels

Speaker 4 to basically check to see if they're elevated.

Speaker 4 And if... those two things are a problem, then they will be recommended for biopsies.
And then several biopsies are taken. It's not comfortable.
I will not say that it is comfortable.

Speaker 4 Sometimes that PSA, that prostate-specific antigen I was talking about, the hormone, sometimes it will be elevated and it's not cancer. It's just because the prostate's enlarged.

Speaker 4 So, you know, men need to get the little, you know, I think a lot of men are educated about it, but I think it's important for more men to be educated about it, that, you know, to learn more.

Speaker 4 The knowledge is power, understanding that elevated PSA doesn't always mean cancer. Oftentimes it means a benign problem.

Speaker 4 Uh, and it just is a matter of then going to the doctor, having the exam, and uh, the doctor will determine if he needs biopsy. Yeah, go to your go talk to your doctor now.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you about skin cancer because the past few months it's been so much in the media

Speaker 4 because so many influencers and podcasters is not the sun.

Speaker 4 No, but I never see the sun in California.

Speaker 4 What do you know? California is 105 degrees. They go and they're like, oh, sunscreens cause cancer.
It's like this big controversy. I don't wear a sunscreen and this is like more chemicals.

Speaker 4 La la la la la la la. And so I need to ask your opinion about it.
Oh, she's showing her book because you're educating children and adults.

Speaker 4 I think a lot of adults.

Speaker 4 I carry

Speaker 4 ahead here. Page, page.
Catching ahead in this spoiler alert. Wait a second.
So I think Doctor Roots for adults as well.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 So, so this book is called Doctor in the Case of the Red Hot Hawaiians. And these little piglets,

Speaker 4 their skin is red and itchy. So Doctor Ru gets called over to Hawaii.
She flies her own plane and she brings her team with her. And she has to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 4 And, you know, this book goes over a bunch of different causes, spider, bispossilate, volcanic ash, things like that. So it's exciting for kids to try to figure out what the cause is.

Speaker 4 But it ends up being pretty simple. These piglets were dancing for their luau.
They were practicing and somebody had to cut down some trees.

Speaker 4 So there was a little deforestation and the sun was getting on their face and they weren't putting on their sunblock.

Speaker 4 You need to wear your sunblock. It's important.
Okay. Sunblock does not cause cancer.
That being said, you know, I'm all about. buying organic products and healthy products.
So read your labels.

Speaker 4 You know, sometimes cravings have some toxic elements in them. So read your labels, buy organic products if you know, especially if it makes you feel safe.

Speaker 4 But it's very unusual for something like a product like Sunblock to cause skin cancer. The sun, though, does cause skin cancer.
So it's you're not wearing your topic.

Speaker 4 So, okay, next year, the SPF 30 hula. Smear it here, rub it there, spread or squirt it everywhere.
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Speaker 4 shoulders, bellies, ears, and nose, lotion gel, foam or spray, sunblock, keyspad, raise it it away. Don't let sunburn make you sick.
Smooth on sunblock, nice and thick.

Speaker 4 So that's why you guys have to go, yeah, Dr. Rue, because these books are so fun.
Oh my God. So I was going to say, it's not just for kids, because you can educate adults just now.

Speaker 4 Because I'm not a doctor, but you know, I've

Speaker 4 been obsessed, obsessed with sunscreen ever since I was 18 years old. Because when I I was, I, you know, being half Brazilian, I grew up going to the beach with my parents.

Speaker 4 It wasn't

Speaker 4 Brazilian. Yeah, we were shooting.
But you know, we had freaking exact. We had the tin and the Vaseline and the baby lotion.
How dark can we possibly get? Yeah, I did.

Speaker 4 But my parents never put sunscreen on me, you know.

Speaker 4 We would literally just burn in the sun. Burn and then get

Speaker 4 what we want. I got like a lobster.
I was like, lobster.

Speaker 4 I'm going tell you you know i'm gonna tell america i never thought i used to go to the tanning

Speaker 4 no that's cray cray right i used to not the look not the spray tants like literally the tanning machine oh my god i went you know i love my mom and she's smart now but she she didn't know so when she was you know maybe 40 and i was you know

Speaker 4 a late teenager she starts taking me to the tanning salon and yeah they didn't know any of them,

Speaker 4 getting

Speaker 4 in the teen, yeah in the winter in Connecticut. Yeah,

Speaker 4 they didn't know anybody.

Speaker 4 I mean, now these are places that I would never, I wouldn't walk everybody. They should be illegal, I think.
Yeah, I mean, but I did have like a pre-cancerous, like right here.

Speaker 4 I had a bunch of little freckles. Yeah.
And I went to the dermatologist. Well, I have a little scar.
You can barely see it.

Speaker 4 But I went to the dermatologist and he took the freckles and he did a little biopsy. And I was 18.

Speaker 4 And he told me, and I never forgot. And a big shout out to him, Dr.
Nestor, Mark Nestor.

Speaker 4 He's one of the popes of dermatologists in the world. He's fantastic.
Where is he? In Aventura, Florida. Dr.
North. I love Aventura.
That's where my grandmother is. He's fantastic.
Oh, my God. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He talks about skin cancer all over the world.

Speaker 4 And he said to me, if you don't start putting sunscreen, you're going to be wrinkled like a prune. You're going to get, you're going to get skin.
And he scared me to put sunscreen ever since then.

Speaker 4 And everybody tells me that I have pretty fabulous skin for my age, and I think I do.

Speaker 4 So, when I see, and we live in California, look at the sun, right?

Speaker 4 So, when I see these bitches and I see this, these influencers try to influence people and telling people, like, oh, don't put sunscreen, it causes cancer, it's worse than the sun.

Speaker 4 I want to strangle them.

Speaker 4 I wish they could see your face now.

Speaker 4 You need STF 36 or higher, right? You just

Speaker 4 every day, every day. So, there are sensitive areas, your face, for instance, your hands.

Speaker 4 Um, you know, here, the chest area. This is incredible, you know, because girls don't pull

Speaker 4 wrinkles and they never go away. Because, you know, I would, I used to go running and out in the sun, and I didn't want to cover this up.

Speaker 4 And I didn't, and my body put people, they would put sunscreen here, and you forget the neck and the chest area, which is exposed all the time. This is where I had my little pre-cancerous one.

Speaker 4 So, you you're this mystifying, like you said, by organic, read the label, but sunscreen is super important. It is incredibly important.

Speaker 4 You have to sometimes weigh things,

Speaker 4 weigh risks versus benefits. Okay.
Nothing in this world is perfect. The food we eat is not perfect.
It's far from perfect. The air we breathe is not perfect, but it's what we have.
Right.

Speaker 4 So do your best to try to be just intuitively smart about things and don't just

Speaker 4 completely drop something that's important. Yes.
And I'll go back to Kaylin for a second, which is interesting.

Speaker 4 There is a procedure called Mohsurgery, right?

Speaker 4 So when someone has like a skin cancer on the face, the dermatologist will take a little slice and another slice and then another slice and they go to send it for pathology. Takes about an hour.

Speaker 4 So the whole procedure takes three to five hours. So that's another use for my unit is in five minutes, you you can tell as the person if you've cleared the patient of the cancer.
Amazing. So,

Speaker 4 you know, that's that's that's another thing that I really, really want to do because it's, it's very awful for patients to sit in a chair for six hours waiting for pathology results and things like that.

Speaker 4 Not to mention how many more patients can those dermatologists treat? Yeah. Right.

Speaker 4 You know, you a dermatologist wants to treat as as many patients as they can.

Speaker 4 They don't want patients to wait and have the skin cancer grow and things oh no and we we say skin a lot of people think it's not serious because oh it's skin cancer but it kills if you don't get it

Speaker 4 one of the most serious right if you don't get it soon enough right

Speaker 4 i mean basal cell and squamous cell in general um are are more um are less aggressive and you do have more time and they're generally treatable generally i don't want to say always they're generally treatable um if they're on the skin.

Speaker 4 And people don't usually suffer a recurrent, maybe recurrence, but not death or metastases from those types. That being said, yeah, you're right.
If it doesn't get treated, it will kill. It can kill.

Speaker 4 And melanoma is one of the deadliest forms of cancer there is. Oh, my God.
So, you know,

Speaker 4 this is no joke. Skin cancer is no joke.
And, you know, skin is the largest organ in the body. People don't realize that.
It's called the integument. It's an organ.
It covers your whole body. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 you know, you need to get the whole thing checked. You have to go see the doctors who check your back and things like that.
And, you know, places that you can't see.

Speaker 4 And I love that you said use your common sense because nothing is going to be perfect, right? There is, you know, I've had so many patients ask me, what do I do now for a diet?

Speaker 4 I had a very, I have a very good friend who has been a vegan and gluten-free and

Speaker 4 organic for

Speaker 4 most of her life since she was a teenager. Okay.
And then she had breast cancer at 42.

Speaker 4 And she still keeps her diet. And I encourage her to keep her diet.
Although I joked, I said, I don't want to tell her to say her name, but I was like, hon, go get a hamburger, please.

Speaker 4 You know, I joked with her because

Speaker 4 go get a cheeseburger. Yeah.
But it's fine. No, no, no.
I support what she's doing. That's fine.
It's good for her lifestyle. She feels good and she likes it, but it didn't prevent the cancer.
Right.

Speaker 4 So the point is, is that they're really,

Speaker 4 we as humans have to understand that we can't control everything. Right.

Speaker 4 We can control some things. We want to be, you know,

Speaker 4 sovereign about our lives and

Speaker 4 do the best that we can do and educate ourselves the best we can, but we cannot control it. Yeah, we can make everything perfect.
I live by kind of like the 80-20% rule. That's a great question.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 I can never be perfect. Like 80% of the time I try to

Speaker 4 eat a really clean diet. I drink lots of water.
I eat organic. Like, I have a super clean lifestyle.
You just need to have a shake. She's got a hot dog on the street.
But I will have my glass.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I will have my glass of wine. Yeah, I will eat.
If you're in New York City, you'd better go get a hot dog on the street. I will eat my burger.
Yeah, exactly. Every once in a while.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 twice for me.

Speaker 4 Do it twice a year. And it works for me.
That way I feel like I don't feel too guilty, but I feel good about what I do most of the time.

Speaker 4 You're not doing anything. You know, the human body in general is pretty good, healing itself.
It's pretty good at detoxing. It's good.

Speaker 4 If you eat something toxic or whatever, it's usually not going to sit in your body. Your body can detox it.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 especially if we move, right? I think for me, like just moving, exercise, like walking. People ask me why cancer, why so much cancer? Why is it? Well, we have come a long way with health.

Speaker 4 Heart disease has gone way down, right?

Speaker 4 What else is left? Cancer.

Speaker 4 I mean, we've, we've become healthier as a society. So cancer is your own body that starts to betray you and

Speaker 4 your own cells that keep growing without

Speaker 4 without stopping, without having any checks and balances. So some of it is just that we're living longer.

Speaker 4 We're getting older. It's good.
We're healthier. We're living longer.
And cancer you know, starts to happen.

Speaker 4 Because what happens as we age, the DNA,

Speaker 4 which is, you know, our genetic code, which also has repair genes, it starts to break down a little bit. So those repair genes are not as successful as they used to be.

Speaker 4 And when those repair genes don't fix the DNA,

Speaker 4 cancer becomes expressed. So as we age,

Speaker 4 I want to say it becomes inevitable, not everybody gets cancer, but it it becomes much more common.

Speaker 4 So, but it is also happening in younger people too. So, you know, my theory on that, aside from, you know, family history, which is very strong, you know, I do think that there's pollution and,

Speaker 4 you know, our food could be better and things like that. Oh, my God.
Yes, we can go. We could do better.

Speaker 4 There are issues. You want to hear another one? Yeah, so let's, okay, before we run out of time,

Speaker 4 I have the nutrition one to be very. Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 4 before we run out of time so let's shift gears to the doctor boost because they're adorable and again guys go look at the videos on the youtube channel cat on the loose podcast and on our instagram because they're so cute and i agree like because i'm not a kid but when i was looking at the books myself i fell in love with the characters because they're so cute cute and like you said amazing they're so educational

Speaker 4 and you are a poet and you're an artist so okay let's talk about the nutritional one because i think everybody could learn I mean with all the respect Americans could learn a lot

Speaker 4 a lot about nutrition a lot thank you so much well so first of all doctor who's hanging out behind cat so doctor is the is the girl kangaroo

Speaker 4 kangaroo doctor she's so cute she has got a magic pouch right so she's a marsupial and marsupials have pouches that's what makes them marsupials so in her pouch and i thought this was this just the cutest idea you You know, doctors used to walk around with their little bag of medical supplies.

Speaker 4 So, I figured, let's put the medical supplies in her pouch, right? So, she's got those medical supplies in her pouch.

Speaker 4 And whenever she gets the call to duty, it sparkles and kicks and becomes kind of magical. And she becomes Dr.
Rue. She is otherwise she's a Dr.
Marsha, but she becomes Dr. Rue.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 you know, in this book,

Speaker 4 one of the books you wrote all about nutrition, because there are a bunch of books, by the way guys and the books are available on amazon and i am putting the link on this episode if you guys have kids nieces nephews sons daughters and if you want to read it for yourself because like i said they're fun even for adults but they are available on amazon so one of them is exclusively about nutrition yeah so that's super cool okay so it's doctor in the case of the picnic pirates and she gets called to washington dc where they're having a fourth of july barbecue um and the little bear cubs are not feeling well well and the little bear cubs it's so interesting what we tried to do in this book or what i did in this book i try to take things that these animals actually did so bear cubs tumble okay they actually tumble in real life so in this book i had them tumbling and doing acrobatics and that's what they were going to do for the fourth of july show but all of a sudden they're getting sick they don't feel well they're angry they're tired, they're moody, they don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 And so, you know, they're like, are you watching too much bear tv uh are they sleepy are they hibernating too much and then i explain the concept of a hibernating versus sleeping right so i look at i look at everything every chance to educate kids you know that i could find can you do the the food rap i'm gonna try

Speaker 4 there is a really cute rep at the end okay so louis lam over here he's like a straight guy right he's like a straight man in the sense that he's like, you think he's so serious all the time. And

Speaker 4 you don't think he's got any real size to him.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden, at the end of, you know, during that performance, when they figure out what's wrong with the kids or the bear cubs, he gets up and sings the pyramid rap.

Speaker 4 Now, I'll be honest, this pyramid, they've replaced it with a food pit, food plate. But we, you know, I love this image for kids.
It still teaches kids what, how to eat properly. Okay.

Speaker 4 i have fp louia on here to say the food you eat can make a break your day my makeup break your day my makeup break your day my makeup break your day let us start at the bottom with h2o this is the funny name for water in case you did not know drink it hot drink it cold drink a fruity drink a fizzy drink cuffs or bottles did you just get busy step up to your vegetables and many kinds of fruit they're full of

Speaker 4 vitamins can i tell

Speaker 4 cauliflower baby carrots a juice strawberry starfruit a fuzzy peach and broccoli broccoli i have FP Louis on here who said the food you eat to make a break your day, my makeup, break your day, my makeup, break your day, make a break, you damn,

Speaker 4 and there's more, but so it's fun, it's just

Speaker 4 it. Oh, I love it.
And uh, I think on my Instagram, we need to find the rappers that actually do we need to find an animator like to make these characters come to life because that would be so cute.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I mean, oh my god, all of them, you know, Dr. Rue, we've got you know, Louis Llama, Terrence Toad, and over there is Kirby Koala.

Speaker 4 Kirby Koala is Dr. Rue's nurse, and

Speaker 4 Louis Llama is the postman. So he always brings the news of when there's the health crisis going on.

Speaker 4 And Terrence Toad is the comic relief character who is like the assistant, but he's always messing up. He's always.
eating bad food and

Speaker 4 then he tries and he learns and he tries. He's very cute.

Speaker 4 amazing very funny so amazing so these characters and you know we also bring in other characters when they go to a place and there's a lot of comedy in this um but it's a fun way to educate adults and children it's obviously you're an insanely talented writer and i think it's pretty obvious you love what you do but it's not like you're just a doctor going to you know the office and and charging patient and I'm coming home you want to make a difference in the world and to me that's what I fell in love about you and your work.

Speaker 4 And it's obvious that what you're doing with Caleb is going to change the lives of millions of people.

Speaker 4 So, if anybody out there listening, if you guys want to know more, the website is Calem Diagnostics. So, www.kalemds.com.
So, D-S, like David Sam. There's a diagnostic solution.
Calemds.com.

Speaker 4 Or they can reach out to you directly, right? Your Instagram, Rachel. Well, I'm going to put the links, by the way, Frank.
Anybody

Speaker 4 call me? This is www.dru.health.

Speaker 4 And that connects to Amazon also.

Speaker 4 So these are the cutest, cutest books. Congratulations.
I have, I'll tell you, my illustrator, I can't take credit for that. Her name is Darina Drengova.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 She's from Ukraine, right? And she literally drew these in the middle of the war. Wow.

Speaker 4 And she's told me that, you know, it got her through some really dark times to be able to write these fun, fantastic adventures.

Speaker 4 And I just, you know, I watched her just go crazy with the pen and she was that makes it that makes that these books are insanely special for your work.

Speaker 4 The fact that Irina made this beautiful, beautiful draw, is like you said, can you imagine? I cannot imagine living in a country.

Speaker 4 you know of war and she's amazing yeah i it's so funny this this one's called doctor in the case of the hacking hippo which you know so hilda hippo is the opera singer, and this one takes place in Australia.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I wrote this sort of a la COVID, and she develops a cough, and this is all about germs.

Speaker 4 So I told Irina, I want to see all these germs kind of coming in, attacking Hilda, getting into her mouth.

Speaker 4 I said, I want one germ to be a ballet dancer, I want one to be a rapper, I want one to be a break dancer, I want, you know, so, and um, so she did that amazing, amazing, like she she drew that, and um,

Speaker 4 you know, then in the back, there's super soap, and super soap comes and cleans up all the she's an incredibly talented exactly what astrider is. Yeah, she's really, really, she is fantastic.

Speaker 4 The books are adorable, guys. Go check it out on Amazon, Dr.
Rachel Welner. It's such an honor to be here.
You have no idea we finally did it.

Speaker 4 Congratulations on my home.

Speaker 4 that's like

Speaker 4 that's a bad hug, but we're seeing. Yeah, no, we're seeing enough.
But I know that we're going to get 10 million questions after this episode because the subject, right?

Speaker 4 Cancer biopsy, sunscreen, it's so, so rich. So, I'm definitely going to invite you to come back because I know I'm going to get hundreds of questions for you.

Speaker 4 So, hopefully, next time you come into the studio,

Speaker 4 come back. It's my honor.
You're a phenomenal woman. Yes, you're incredible.
Guys, be safe out there. Go wear your sunscreen, right? Go get tested.
Sunscreen, wash your hands.

Speaker 4 Okay, I didn't give you the song from Hackie Hippo. Adonna, don't get mad.

Speaker 4 Don't just stand there. Let's get to it.
Wash your hands. There's nothing to it.
Go.

Speaker 4 You are an artist. You're fantastic.
Dr. Rachel Elner.
Guys, be safe out there. And I'll see you very soon.
This was such fun. This is such an honor.
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