#1056: June 19-20, 2025

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jackson.

Oh, indeed, we are.

Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

I unfortunately do not have a bright spot today, but I do have a dark spot.

Oh, no.

And you listen to me.

I'm pointing at you.

You are pointing at me.

Yeah, absolutely.

It's not really me, but it's sort of me.

And that is, if people are listening and have listened to our last episode, my bright spot was the Tony Hawk 3 and 4 remaster.

What's happened?

I am already bored of it.

I'd forgotten the dynamic that Tony Hawk games really have, which is they're a lot of fun for a little bit, and then it's like, what am I doing?

I'm just fucking skating around.

This is boring.

Right, right.

And so I have gone through that process once again in a matter of days.

Because you're not a skater.

No.

You don't actually like skating.

But I don't actually think that that would matter that much.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

It is painfully repetitive, and the environments that you're in are fun enough, but they're not that great.

Sure.

They have a really, really cool build-your-own skate park ability.

Okay.

And so, you know, in the way that like Mario Maker, people could make their own levels and upload them.

For sure.

They have that.

Okay.

But within a few days...

There's not really anything cool that's been made that I've seen.

Yeah.

And it's tons of people putting up no-effort parks in order to get an achievement.

So it's just flooded with levels that are unplayable and no one wants to play.

Right.

But once people put in a lot of time,

I think they could create some really cool parks that are made by other users.

Yeah.

But that's just not there now.

And like, I don't know, I'm bored.

Oh, that's tough.

Yeah.

That is tough whenever it's just

achievement hunting slop.

That's no fun.

Yeah.

So anyway,

darkish spot.

I'm bored by Tony Hawk.

Maybe some games are just there for I enjoyed this weekend, and then maybe six months later, I'll have another good weekend.

Yeah.

You know?

It's a little bit of like a hit, like an adrenaline shot.

Yeah, maybe.

It wears off fast, but it's a ride.

Listen, it's I understand you like cocaine, but crack is also good.

Yeah.

Like it is.

Yeah.

Do you think cocaine is long acting?

And crack is a little shorter burst?

Crack is a shorter burst, famously.

Yeah, but cocaine's not a long burst.

No,

it's not like the ketamine drip.

But crack is a little bit faster.

Okay.

Good metaphor.

Well, let's take that.

That metaphor is now my bright spot.

What's yours?

My bright spot is

just finished up.

The summer game's done quick.

Always a fan.

Nice.

Always an enjoyable.

What was your highlight?

There was a Mega Man maker, which was like the Mario Maker,

the guy made a bunch of Mega Man levels.

That was really interesting and fun.

Wait, was he speed making the levels?

No, no, no, no.

He had made a bunch of levels and then was kind of showing off how they work and how difficult they are.

Were other people trying to speed run his levels?

No.

Like he was a third man.

He was too hard.

So it was just him.

He had made these levels and then practiced at them so that he is, again, essentially the only person who can ever play them.

Yeah.

Mega Man is a game that has a pretty high difficulty spike.

Some of those levels are pretty easy and then some are painfully hard.

So if you were in control, you could make it so hard.

Oh man, some of those things, you know, you imagine a difficult Mega Man level, but even in a difficult Mega Man level, you're usually always going from left to right, you know, like the whole time or up.

Not like, okay, we got to go back and forth and back and forth and up and down, and then we got to do a...

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

It's made like a metroid game out of a

little bit yeah

yeah people just it's it's amazingly creative and really cool to watch uh so that was nice awesome anything else stick out um i don't know there's probably some other stuff i'll watch later sure pretty good all great i'm a big fan of did you ever play turtles in time i did did you do the turtle okay man i don't know why but i loved that game and i feel i feel the same way about it that you feel about tony hawk is that i've gone back to it from time to time and been like, this game is great.

Why do I not play this game?

Oh, I'm bored.

And then move on with my life.

Sure.

So, but it's always nice to watch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Amen.

Yeah.

Well, Jordan, today we have

summer

radio show done poorly.

Yeah, something long about summer.

Yeah.

We're going to talk about Alex Jones.

We're going to talk about 19th to 20th of June 2025.

Okay.

Civil war has broken out in the United States.

Still ongoing.

Gene Heckman still dead.

Still Alex's fault.

Iran and Israel are attacking each other.

Having a spat.

Alex has made peace with the fact that Trump does not seem to be all that pissed off about it and seems to be saber-rattling in a way that indicate that he's going to join in and attack Iran.

So

that's where we find ourselves.

And we'll explore this a little bit of time.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So, first, thanks for helping me understand understand how my dad's brain works now.

Huge props to A-Lab series for recommending the show to me.

Thank you so much, you're an Aho Policy Wonk.

I'm a Policy Wonk.

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Next, Big Boy Troy can go the distance with little Ava by her side.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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And the U.S.

government is engaging in disappearing people and state terrorism.

Thank you so much, you're an awful policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much too.

Hey, Colleen, we're probably listening to this together, and you're listening to it while you work and this surprised you.

It's been fantastic nine years and here's to a fantastic however many more.

Love you tons.

Chris, thank you so much.

You're an Iowa Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, someone sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Bomb, bomb, bump, bump, bump.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

What a lovely mix of shout-outs.

Very strange.

Yeah, declarations of love and just ominous statements about what our government is doing.

Things are going great.

Yeah.

Oh, well.

It was the best of times and it was the worst of times.

That's what we're saying.

Somebody famous said that once.

I think it was TJ.

Yeah.

Yep.

So TJ Levin?

Yeah, absolutely.

He was great.

Thomas Jefferson Levin.

So the Thursday, June 19th show was a slog, and I'm mostly just going to skip over it entirely.

Alex believes that Trump is planning to bomb Iran that night or the following morning.

So this episode is kind of stuck in just trying to ramp up anxiety about that in order to sell gold and push the supplements.

Alex, however, he did another interview with Rabbi Shmooly, which bordered on the unlistenable.

It is awful.

It's just two assholes being assholes to each other.

And while it's supposed to be a debate on the Iran-Israel confrontation, it's really just two guys discussing the ways they don't like Muslims.

What are you going to do?

Yeah.

What are you going to do?

Eventually, two guys with common interests will find a way.

It's shocking to me in a way that it also felt sort of like it might be paid programming because Alex is super respectful to Shmooli.

Yeah.

Like he is giving him, he's like, I gave you six minutes.

Now it is my turn to talk.

Right.

Like they're doing this kind of like, there's rules to this interaction.

And Shmooli's being an asshole.

He's being like, Alex, you do not love America.

He's being like a real dick to him.

That's fun.

Not that Alex doesn't deserve it.

Sure.

But in a way that Alex would usually be like, I'm going to fucking fuck this person.

There's so much restraint that there's some sort of an agreement that they reached beforehand, whether it's financial or Alex thinks he's going to get...

a lot of attention out of this.

Alex, you've been really anti-Semitic lately, so you're going to have to take it down a notch while I'm here at the very least.

It's interesting because Alex does try to do like the, hey, you know, one day I'll have Nick Fuentes on, the next day I'll have Rabbi Shmueli on.

Like, see,

I'm not that bad.

Yeah.

But it's like, yeah, you have an interview with Nick Fuentes where you talk about how Nazi shit is the answer, and you're really friendly to him, and you treat him like a luminary, and then you have a hostile confrontation with Rabbi Shmueli.

Yeah.

It's not the same thing.

These are not the same thing.

No.

Very different.

So there was one exchange that I thought was really interesting between the two of them.

And I'm going to just play this.

This is the only clip that I have from the 19.

And it's Alex and Rabbi Shmooley.

They've been talking about the creation of the atomic bomb.

And this great.

You guys have a lot to say on this.

No, but this is actually, I think, very illustrative.

But you cannot take a chance with a nuclear bomb.

It's the reason why Franklin Delano Roosevelt, rated was one of our three greatest presidents, started the Manhattan Project.

Roosevelt didn't know a lot about nuclear science back then, and no one knew if a bomb would even work till they detonated in the deserts of New Mexico.

Even Oppenheimer didn't know if it would work.

They built the bomb because they were afraid that Hitler was building a bomb.

And Hitler had some of the greatest nuclear scientists in the world,

like Heisenberg, who were working on his bomb, who became Nazis.

And that's how the atomic age even started.

Now, in the end, Hitler did not have a bomb.

So you could say, why'd we do all this?

Well, you know what?

We may have saved a million American people.

No, no, no.

British special forces went in and took out their heavy water and all the rest of it.

Well,

Hitler kind of gave up building it because he probably, because he thought that all nuclear science was Jewish science, and he hated Jews so much that he even was prepared, as I said before, to destroy himself.

Who is dumb enough to kick Albert Einstein out of your country and let him live in the world?

I'm not saying Jews aren't real smart, but it was Max Planck that did the equation.

No,

you're a smart guy.

Listen, you're a smart guy.

Let's just move on.

Let's just move on.

Hitler

was not investing enough in his super weapons, and I'm glad he lost.

But the point is, is it was Max Planck's equations.

It's true that Jewish scientists took those equations and expanded on them, but it's Max Planck.

Germans created the equations for the atomic bomb.

Well, you have Niels Bohr, who was Jewish.

You have Lazard, who was Jewish.

I'm not saying that Jews.

What are we doing?

Brahms Oppenheimer was certainly Jewish.

On the contrary.

Would anybody like to stop this?

The Jews did finally actually make it.

Stop, let's stop.

Let's give Jews the credit for this great thing.

No, the Jews Jews finally took the theoretics and did it.

So let's just be Jews.

What is happening?

Germans theorize it.

So it's never made sense to me how much Alex name-drops Max Planck.

He constantly talks about how Planck came up with all sorts of metaphysics ideas way before their time.

And it seemed to me like it was just Alex's way of talking about how the human mind can envision things before they're physically possible.

This exchange really cleared things up for me.

Yeah, it makes things very obvious in retrospect.

Alex is so triggered on the point that Shmuly makes about the Jewish contribution to the invention of the nuclear bomb, and that's where Alex has to bring up Max Planck.

Planck was never a stand-in for human ingenuity.

He was a symbol for Alex, a way to deny the historical importance of some Jewish people and transfer their achievements over to an Aryan person.

I'd never really thought about it that way, but now I think that this is the focus.

The focus on Max Planck is actually a remnant of the environment that Alex grew up in and how so many of the sources that his intellectual tradition comes from are Nazi apologists.

Under Hitler, it was forbidden to talk about Einstein because he was super anti-Nazi and had renounced his German citizenship in 1933.

Whatever innovations he was making in important fields of science would need to be undermined and attributed to someone else.

And though Planck wasn't a Nazi himself, he stayed in Germany and was in the relative good graces of the government.

Planck was the head of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society until 1937, which would later be renamed the Max Planck Society, an organization which apologized for their involvement with experiments carried out at concentration camps during the Holocaust around like 2001.

They made a big deal out of like, we can't deny this part of our legacy.

What are you going to do?

It's been confusing why Alex was so hung up on Max Planck, but now I think it makes total sense.

Yep.

Alex's worldview is built on the shoulders of neo-Nazis and crypto-Nazis.

So it makes sense that most of the sources he grew up reading and studying, they would have an investment in minimizing Einstein's importance and elevating Max Planck's.

And I think that in that exchange, that dynamic, you feel it.

Here's what I like about it.

And I'll tell you this.

It reminds me how not racist I am

because I don't know when I should be looking for race.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, I didn't even know that it was possible.

I thought science was free.

Like, everybody's got one.

You know, everybody's got a little science on them.

Didn't know that that was a race thing, you know?

Like, I remember people being like, oh, did you know that China invented whiskey?

And it's like, cool.

I don't care where it comes from.

It's fine.

Somebody invented it.

It's not about where it comes from.

It's where it's going.

It's just in my mouth.

Absolutely.

What do I give a shit?

You know, that's crazy.

But somehow people find a way to put race in there.

Yeah.

And something that's so interesting to me, too, is like I can listen to hundreds of hours of Alex's show, and there is a plausible way for me to think, like, this guy's hung up on Max Planck.

Oh, well, maybe he just read something that he thinks is interesting in a book or whatever.

And it never would, like, it would never cross my mind to be like, is there a bigot reason why this is his paradigm?

And this exchange that he has with Shmooli, like, it really made me reconsider and look into, is there a reason that a Nazi would be into Max Planck and not other people?

Oh, oh, there you go.

Makes sense.

Great.

No,

it is so much like

it is

an assumption that you are looking at things through a bigot point of view whenever you imagine what Alex is thinking or doing or anything, the motivations behind it.

And it is a blind spot of your own when you don't even know that there could be a bigot.

Like, why did he get those zebra cakes?

Oh, you know why.

Wait, but I don't.

I genuinely don't.

But I think also, if you make a default of like every position comes from a place of it must come from a place of bigotry.

I think that you're falling into the same like

sort of thought

shortcuts

and cheats

that lead to mistakes that a lot of people do.

Like it

is unfortunate that a lot of times you poke around a little bit and you realize like, oh shit, a lot more of this is bigotry than I thought.

Sure.

But starting with that assumption, I think is bad.

Yeah.

So I'm glad that I didn't.

Sure.

But now I realize,

yeah, no good.

No good.

So Trump was supposed to attack Iran Thursday night or Friday morning.

For non-bigoted reasons.

Totally.

So now we're on the 20th, which is Friday.

Yeah.

It should have happened by now.

Right.

There was a bit of a, like,

because Alex put a time on it.

We were just kind of in the lead up to it.

But now we're past that time.

Okay.

And Trump has not attacked Israel.

Or Iran.

And so now

the war fever, it's broken.

Uh-oh.

Steve Bannon

went to the White House yesterday and spent a lot of time with Trump.

I'll leave it at that.

I talked to Steve some off-air, also on-air today on his show.

And

here's the good news.

War fever has broken at the White House and with Trump.

And Trump has now gotten more briefings.

And the majority of his advisors in the Pentagon are saying, no, you don't want to go directly to war with Iran.

Here's why.

But Trump had pretty much decided to do it by today.

And I said that over the weekend, and it did come out a few days ago.

But then as he got more information and all the other horrible scenarios

that are probable to happen,

one of them doubling inflation, they close the straight of Hormuz conservatively.

And they can do it, and they've said they'll do it.

And it just gets worse from there.

He pulled back and said two weeks yesterday.

And that's great news.

So the storyline for the past week or so on the show has been that Trump was going to attack Iran on Thursday night or Friday morning.

Alex claimed that he'd heard this from high-level sources and that even if that timetable was incorrect or if the exact time changed, it was coming from intel, not vibes.

Now, here we are on Friday morning, getting close to afternoon, and Trump hasn't attacked Iran.

His press secretary said that Trump was giving Iran two weeks to negotiate, so this is the direction that Alex is going.

He and his patriot buddies like Tucker and Bannon, caused enough of a stink about how dangerous attacking Iran was that Trump saw the light and he isn't going to do it.

We live in the future, so we know that at about 2 a.m.

Iranian time the next day, Trump bombed three nuclear facilities in Iran.

The plans for this, which was called Operation Midnight Hammer, were already set by the time that Alex is on air here, and he's just regurgitating bullshit that the Trump press secretary is knowingly or unwittingly lying about.

Essentially, Alex is acting as a mouthpiece for a government that's planning attacks while pretending publicly to want diplomacy.

Trump posted a statement saying, quote, based on the fact that there's substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks.

He said that Thursday evening, and the truth is that he'd already made up his mind.

The plan was already there.

Falling for this kind of shit is exactly what Alex made a career complaining about the mainstream media doing.

And I can't see it as anything other than fitting that this is what he's become.

Yep.

He's doing the exact same shit.

Yeah, I mean,

I

like on the one hand, it makes sense.

You do not want a government or a military to be obligated to tell you when it's going to do stuff.

Technically, that's not very wise.

At the same time, you don't want a government that's like, nah, we're not going to blow up those strangers that you don't know and will never bother you.

And then go do it.

That's also a problem.

Good luck, everybody.

I am not like a political scientist, and I don't know the pressures of being in government.

So I'm going to leave that to the side for a moment.

I am aware of what it is to talk about stuff.

Yes.

And so for Alex, he seems really gullible.

Yeah.

That's the issue that I have, whether or not a president should declare when they're going to attack somebody.

Sure.

Even that aside,

Alex is responding to stimulus that he's getting, and he has heard what he wants to hear and is repeating that.

Yeah, I mean, listen,

for all complaints about blanket pessimism aside,

Part of the agreement that we have with politics is that even if they're not completely full of shit, they're always at least a little bit full of shit whenever they're talking.

That's what politicians have to do because they can't be like, we're definitely going to have this done.

There's got to be negotiating, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right?

But at the very least, you should not blanket accept anything they say as being 100% going to be the future.

Right.

You know?

And this

like, I'm going to make a decision within two weeks.

First of all, the decision's already made.

Yep.

But second, on some kind of weird technicality, you could be like, well,

I did get it right.

Next day is within two weeks.

So Trump could argue some kind of like, haha, gotcha.

Great.

But Alex,

his like, the war fever has broken, and like Trump has listened to us populist patriots.

It's pathetic.

It's just embarrassing for him to try and claim a win here, knowing what we know that Trump is playing them.

Yeah, this is when some asshole is like, ah, disinformation is necessary for both enemies and allies.

Right.

Ah, cool.

You're like, go away.

Leave me alone.

Yeah.

No, hey, great.

That person is great.

I love it in a book or something like that.

I don't want it from my news source.

Yeah, leave me alone.

Yeah.

So Alex continues just to be wrong about the situation.

Sure.

Two weeks.

Now,

I don't think that's a feint to make Iran think everything's okay so they can hit them even harder.

No, that's real.

And since I surmised all this scanning and all the information, I've talked to people that have met with the president and others

and talked to Bannon on air and off-air, and it's exactly what I thought was going on.

So there you go.

Alex is 100% wrong, and whoever these sources are that he talked to were either wrong in the exact same way as him or were feeding Alex misinformation.

So he would do exactly what he's doing on air now because that serves the purposes of the power.

Yep.

Cool.

Yeah.

What was that thing about bargains with that guy?

You get more one thing you like, but then you lose something that's almost ironically more important to you.

Are you talking about Nick Fuentes' Aryan-Faustian agreement?

I think I am.

I think I am exactly.

So Alex feels pretty good.

as a whole because he thinks that he has saved the world

from nuclear war nuclear world war i mean that would feel pretty good yeah yeah And so he starts talking down to all these hawks out there.

See, now that's where you gotta, you're gloating a little too soon, buddy.

Yeah.

Oh, this is rough.

Showboating.

And to all the war hawks and people calling me a traitor all over X, all over everywhere, all over talk radio, all over you name it.

Shame on you.

Listen, if you want to be involved in geopolitics in the world, you can't get your information off the back of a cereal box, okay?

Or you can't get it by watching Fox News and the war fever crap.

If you like America existing,

if you want Trump's recovery to happen, which is key to everything,

then you better grow up.

I do this full-time for 30-plus years.

Jesus.

I have contacts everywhere, but I only contact them to see what they're thinking and saying and what they know to confirm what I already come to the analysis of.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

So Bannon asked me to basically brief the president on his show.

I'm sorry.

Information does go to Trump, and Trump does watch The War Room, and he does watch my show.

He calls it the clips, and

people get it directly to him.

Bannon sends him intelligence briefings and clips he should watch.

So what I said on Bannon today will undoubtedly be watched by the president probably today at

this late lunch or after that.

So

that's the level of this information, And that's what we're doing.

This is so embarrassing with the hindsight that Alex is just getting played.

He's out here thinking he's briefing the president by being on a podcast.

And all the while, behind the scenes, Trump's already decided to bomb Iran.

Nothing Alex does or says in any of these shows is going to change that reality.

The only thing that's happening here is that Trump has put out a piece of disinformation that's so appealing to Alex that he can't resist reporting on it as fact and even taking credit for it.

Now, he said that Bannon asked him to brief the president.

Yeah, which is a thing to say.

Let's listen to that.

Let's listen to Bannon and ask him to brief the president?

Yeah.

Okay.

If you walked into the Oval Office this morning, Alex Jones, and had five minutes with the commander-in-chief, go ahead and roll.

Tell me what Alex Jones tells him right now.

Mr.

President, I absolutely agree with you that

the MOOLs want to destroy Israel and that they're unpopular and that they are a serious danger to world peace.

But if you look at all the different assessments that I know you've been given, and I know that most of your advisors have told you,

it will bare minimum

cause oil prices, which you already see going up to explode.

Most assessments will easily block Trade of Hormuz by sinking their own ships, much less ours or others.

20% of the oil the world goes through there.

So Bannon asked him, imagine you're briefing the president.

Yeah.

And Alex thinks that that's, I have briefed the president.

A little bit different.

Yeah.

A little bit of a difference there.

I, while he's giving that speech, I imagine,

like,

I don't know, I don't know.

Just Iran walking up behind him, and he's like, ah, shit, Iran's behind me.

Aren't they?

Ah, they're getting bombed.

Fuck.

No, but I imagine that, but he not even realized.

I mean, it's totally oblivious.

Just, like, if you've ever seen those clips of the guys who've clearly got a touchdown, running, everything's fine, and then just drop the ball just an inch before the goal line, you know, that's, that's what it feels.

But they don't know.

They keep celebrating.

They don't know that they have just been on TV for the rest of their lives doing the dumbest shit they could possibly do.

Yeah, this does feel a little bit

like that.

Yeah.

So I

think that there's just something about Alex's

fantasy world that is so, it's so interesting to me.

This, like, imagine you're briefing the president, is that it's the same as doing it.

He watches the clips.

I bet that gets you high.

I bet he gets high off of the idea of like, the president is listening to me, because he doesn't actually believe the president watches InfoWars.

Risely watches it sometimes.

Sure.

That's okay.

Maybe he does.

Maybe he doesn't.

It's in the air.

Truth.

Truth is in the air.

I imagine not.

But this is Steve Bannon's show.

So I bet he kind of feels like maybe Trump will listen to this.

And that probably gets like, the president could be listening to me.

You know, I bet he gets high off that shit.

Sure.

I think that the way that his brain works, the narcissism that's required to be this person,

I think he has to feel that way even about his own show.

But like, this is a bigger rush.

Right, right, right, right.

This is a more plausible

validation.

I can tell myself he listens to my show.

Yeah.

I can tell other people he listens to Steve Bannon's show and I was on it.

That kind of thing.

Yeah.

So this wasn't part of the briefing, but maybe Alex needs to tell somebody about this.

But you look at Netanyahu, obviously demon-possessed.

I mean, look at the guy's eyes.

Knock it off, Jews.

When he's talking about war and a little stabilized things to go on, it looks like a wolf.

And he's like, in 2002, he's like, and then we need to hit this country and that country.

We need to all are going to have nukes.

And we got to take them them all.

He's learned to kind of hide that a little bit.

I mean, you look at those eyes, though.

And I can't even do those eyes.

I mean, it's just like

absolutely committed to death.

Probably possessed by Satan himself.

I mean, I get those vibes.

That's high praise.

Not the jolly gremlin demon, you know, that Smalley's obviously got running him.

Oh.

Sure.

Sure.

So Jewish people, high-profile Jewish people are demonstrating.

A lot of them.

A lot of them have more than one have, it's a non-specific thing to the person and more specific to the group, which I don't know.

Can we describe that as something?

No.

No, I don't think so.

So, various Jewish people that Alex has discussed or talked to recently are demon-possessed.

Are demon-possessed.

But Trump maybe is the Messiah.

But is.

But isn't.

All right.

Maybe is.

All right.

Trump's biggest challenge of his political,

really messianic career.

I don't mean that literally, but the description would be messianic.

And if he can stop World War III and return the Republic and truly win, it is messianic.

I don't mean as if he's the Messiah, but I mean it's that the only label fits is messianic.

I get it.

Use other words.

There are synonyms you could use here.

Yeah.

This is very loaded.

He's the big cheese.

You can go with that.

That would also be equally acceptable.

Yeah, he will bring about a new world order.

Go for it.

Who cares?

He's the,

I guess, dictator-in-chief, whatever you like.

But yeah, when you're somebody like Alex who's like, I speak to God, God speaks through me.

You should avoid words like that when you don't actually mean...

When you're trying to pretend that you don't actually mean he's the Messiah, don't use messianic.

Don't do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, because

that's the layer of effort that you have to put on top of being full of shit.

You have to keep the two storylines separate, otherwise you reveal you're full of shit.

Yeah, it's the same kind of dynamic as like,

you know, when you're a crazy, violent asshole like Alex, you should just use other words than I'm going to kill you and then say politically.

Right.

You know, you should use, you should find

the richness of language.

You should find other ways to express this that you don't have to, you know, keep doubling back.

I'm like, no, I'm not saying he's Jesus, but he kind of is Jesus.

Yeah.

Nah, come on.

Yeah.

So Trump

as Jesus.

He wants peace through strength.

Very Jesus-like.

Yeah.

And this clip ends up becoming a little bit about black magic.

And now I'm interested.

Yeah, I find this take very interesting.

Okay.

We have to know the philosophy we're up against, and then we have to have our own philosophy.

What do these

really say for the Massage slogan?

I fit the exact slogan.

Pull up the Massage slogan.

I think it's by way of deception you will conquer.

By way of deception, you will rule.

MI6 says: British Special Forces have

fortune favors the bold.

Well, that's certainly true.

But imagine by way of deception, you will conquer.

How about

by way of truth,

you will prosper?

Too good.

Put it on a ship.

By By way of deception, thou shalt do war.

And obviously, war is all about deception.

What's camouflage?

What's disinformation?

But the point is, when everything turns into a war

and everything is broken down, and everything is deception, you have the breakdown of society, you have mental illness, you have endless war, you have lies.

That's why Trump wants peace through strength.

Overwhelming force, direct, clear agenda,

and not a bunch of double-triple dealing, which he's been doing and which the world wants.

But only a country that is the most powerful

can act like that

because all the others are going to use dirty tricks or black magic

because they have the excuse that, well, we have to.

And by black magic, I don't mean literal black magic, but in the archtop black magic, it's when you do something with your will or action that hurts people

and that always creates even bigger ripple effects of bad that comes out of it and that comes back on you.

Black magic always comes back on who does it.

Many fold

and it comes back on those around them.

So I guess that black magic is just being mean to someone.

I don't know what meaningfully this describes.

As a fan of Final Fantasy VII

and the Final Fantasy games in general, you have Fyra, you've got Firaga, you have got Blizzara, you've got Blizzard, you've got many different black magic spells.

You've got Flare, that's the ultimate and fire magic.

Like, these things are available.

None of them are just like, oh, I'm going to get you.

I'm going to use my will

to be mean.

No, there's full-on special effects.

This seems like the intersection of scam guru and baby talk.

This is a little kid on a schoolyard.

Yeah.

So Mossad's former motto was the Hebrew text from Proverbs 24, 6, which can be translated a number of ways, but generally is, quote, for by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war.

There are other ways that this has been translated to English that veer more towards the subterfuge angle, like, for by strategy war is waged, that kind of thing.

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

In 1990, a former agent of Mossad named Viktor Ostrovsky released a book called By Way of Deception, The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer, which was very critical of Mossad.

A lot of the things that he wrote in the book have never been proven either way, like proven true or false.

But the title of the book has stuck as the go-to translation of Proverbs 24, 6 for folks in Alex's information space, which is to say a lot of neo-Nazis and crypto-Nazis.

Mossad has since changed their motto to Proverbs 11.14, which says, quote, for lack of guidance a nation fails, but victory is won through many advisors.

Right.

Which maintains the same similar point as the other one, but doesn't have the baggage of that book.

See, now, this is when I feel like editing is so very important.

Like, if I could go back and like, because there's a lot of confusing shit right there, right?

There's a lot of different ways to interpret that.

There's a lot of different metaphors there.

How about go with idiots die?

So let's not do that.

Well, I think that the motto,

you're a little bit limited by the book of Proverbs and what is in there.

I don't know if idiots Die is in Proverbs.

That's what I'm saying.

An editor would have helped.

Sure.

And then the fundamental issue

with these old languages like Hebrew or Latin or Greek, you know, like there isn't super precise translations all the time.

Right.

You know, like, that's always going to be an issue.

Right.

Because they didn't have English back then to like kind of bounce their ideas off of.

It's shocking they didn't come up with English back then.

It's so crazy.

Yeah.

It was right there for the taking.

And it's available.

And it's so clearly the only correct way to communicate.

Obviously.

There's no way to have a concept that is not describable within the English language.

Exactly.

English allows clarity.

Like when we're talking about black magic.

Nobody is ever confused by the multiple meanings or pronunciations or multiple pronunciation meanings of the same word.

Right.

Yeah.

So when we talk about black magic, we know what we're talking about.

We do know what we're talking about.

Viraga.

No.

Oh.

No.

You think it's viraga?

I think it's viraga.

No, no, no.

It's peeing in a pool.

There we go.

I knew it.

Answer form of black magic

would be peeing in the public pool.

That little kid doesn't know they do it, but

I'm just going to pee in here.

Then they got to put more chlorine in, more stuff.

Now, it grosses your skin.

Now

it burns your eyes because they have to put so much chlorine and chemicals in because everybody's pissing the pool.

But you really can't see the pee.

But one person takes a dunking,

and the whole thing has to be shut down because you can't hide it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

And Trump

administration reportedly looking at nuking

the underground nuke base in Iran is the equivalent of pulling up a septic tank truck that just pumped out 20 septic tanks and putting a hose in a pool and filling it with liquid feces.

And we're all in that pool.

We're all in that pool, man.

Black magic pee.

Black magic is pee.

Oh, cool.

So the way we know black magic, much like the fruits,

is that the consequences will come back on you multiplefold.

Well, yeah, but in this case, it is also apparently that the effects of it are unobservable.

Right.

Because you don't see the pee in the pool.

Right.

The damage is done by adding more chlorine to the pool, which then burns your skin and eyes.

Which is your eight-fold consequences.

Right, right, right, right.

That is what you would presume.

So,

shit in the pool is not black magic.

That's just regular.

People don't end up adding more chlorine to a pool if you're shit in the pool.

I mean, there's, listen, there's a lot of consequences that come from shitting in a pool.

Sure, you have to get out of the pool.

That's a consequence.

First consequence.

Yeah, the only thing that I think is relevantly different between these two is the ability to ignore

one.

You can ignore peeing in the pool.

You can't ignore shitting in the pool.

So, black magic must be things that you can ignore.

Right, right, right, right.

It's something that doesn't trick.

So, if you shit in the pool, oftentimes there will be an investigation.

There will be questions.

It would be a short investigation.

Who's shit in this pool?

You or him or that person, right?

Right, right.

But black magic, there is no investigation.

You can't have people asking questions.

That's the the magic part.

I guess.

This is dumb.

I think Alex thought of this and then was like, ooh, I am lost down this road.

I have started.

I've started.

It's fun to talk about peeing in the pool.

I know.

It is like the confidence combined with the lack of knowledge, combined with the desire to kind of sound like there's knowledge, would make him such a great, like assistant basketball coach.

Yes.

Like, he would.

Not head.

Not head.

No, he'd be bad at actual basketball.

And make decisions.

But when he'd be like, oh, you got to get the ball in the basket, you'd be like, this is the best metaphor I've ever heard.

I will 100% do exactly that.

Yeah.

And I also have to double back to him earlier saying that black magic is using your will to hurt people.

Right.

Or actions which somehow.

But what will is being exerted by someone peeing in a pool?

I mean, it's just laziness, I guess.

Like, the will would ostensibly be negative towards another person on purpose.

Yeah, which it's not if you're just peeing in a pool, it's just generalized

unless you are peeing in the pool to make them add more chlorine to hurt people.

Now we're in black.

I've never met that person.

That would be a very strange series of choices to make.

Yeah.

There are so many better ways to cover people with chlorine, even.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway,

this is confusing.

Yep, it is.

It's not a good one.

So, Alex has a guest on the show, and it is a fella who's running for office, hoping to primary Lindsey Graham.

Okay.

All right.

I wanted to get a very interesting fellow on.

I've been following his work for a while who's running against Lindsey, the queen of war Graham,

the mini-me of great warmonger globalist John McCain.

Mark Lynch is a southern South Carolina businessman.

Conservative Republican and candidate for the U.S.

Senate, challenging incumbent Lindsey Graham.

A lot of the polls show.

He's got a really good chance of winning.

I hate to give Alex any props, but this is exactly what he should be doing.

All the dumb bullshit about Rabbi Shmooly and how he's secretly briefing Trump through being on Bannon's podcast, it's all just a bunch of entertainment filler.

But where he holds the ability to make any difference in terms of power is by promoting anyone who's primarying GOP politicians that Alex doesn't like.

Alex thinks that Lindsey Graham is too effeminate and is a globalist who's not loyal to Trump, so he wants him out.

But Graham is also a hawk about war, and it's very easy to come up with a marketable reason to want to get him out of office.

Primary in Graham is something that could have support across the aisle, uniting the extreme right wing with people on the left, even.

This is what Alex should spend his time doing, but I think it's too late for him to play this game personally.

The hope you'd have here is to use a big platform like Alex's show to promote and validate fringe insurgent candidates, but I don't think that Alex has the ability to validate anyone anymore.

Association with him is only going to stigmatize a candidate because the two sides Alex hopes to unite don't really like him.

In the aftermath of events like Waco and 9-11, Alex was able to form a coalition audience out of extreme right-wingers who thought that he was their voice.

The radio guy who was tossed aside by the elites who just wanted their mainstream right-wing voice out there in the form of Rush Limbaugh.

That group was supplemented by non-political folks who were just generally paranoid and enjoyed conspiracy theories, and by left-wing folks who agreed with Alex on some primary things and were tricked into thinking that Alex was an ally for them that they could work with.

These would be folks on the left who were super against the war in Iraq and felt like Alex was unbeholden to corporate media that was beating the drums of war.

These were people who were against the bank bailouts and thought that Alex was actually on the side of Occupy Wall Street.

And you could make an argument that like, hey, we have this important issue we're on the same page about.

Let's get over our differences.

It's happening again right now with Rogan.

People are doing it.

Uh-huh.

Yep.

Alex was able to make it appear like his politics were broad enough to include all of these folks, and that worked for a while, but that game is up now.

Paranoid conspiracy fans have a million other choices of people to follow, many of whom are far more creative than Alex and less reliant on just pretending that sci-fi movies are real.

If you want that entertainment, there's better out there.

The extreme right-wing folks have new voices that far more closely align with them than

what they believe than Alex, and he's become a watered-down voice in that space compared to other other figures who are willing to spout clear anti-Semitism and white supremacy.

And the left-leaning folks who might have fallen for the illusion that Alex really wasn't all that right-wing and maybe you could make common cause with him, they generally aren't as susceptible to that trick as they used to be.

You'll see left-leaning people getting tricked into thinking they can work with other folks like Alex, like Elon Musk or Tucker or Rogan, like you said.

But for the most part, Alex doesn't really have that cache himself anymore.

Nope.

He has basically the proximity to people who may have that ability, but he's just kind of in their wake.

He's just riding along.

Yeah, the

consolidation of these people is such that

they are still,

they're so big that there's an easier way of tricking yourself into being like, well, there's no choice but to at the very least, you know, engage in all of these things.

Whereas Alex used to have that bigness in the form of integrity.

He used to have that size because it was like, he can't be bought.

He can't, you know, you can buy Rogan.

We know that.

He's advertised on Spotify, you know, like that kind of thing.

Whereas that's where Alex could have

the upper hand and that's gone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But these other people have a facsimile of it in in

some in some way in that like there are people on the left

in Democratic Party who will be like, let's see if we can work with Rogan.

Right.

Let's see if we can work with Elon Musk.

Because they have a source of power that is still attractive.

Like Elon Musk still has billions of dollars and is a dipshit and is willing to give that money to people that serve his interests.

Rogan has a giant audience still, and there's power in that.

And they want to court those things.

Alex doesn't have that anymore.

He's just...

Bat.

Yeah.

He's just a guy talking about pissing in pools.

Yep.

Yep.

On top of this, his entire entire dynamic has flipped, where he's invested in defending the government that's in power.

When Clinton, Bush, and Obama were in office, Alex didn't want to root out the deep state while keeping the president in power.

He wanted the whole thing overturned.

Now Alex wants to keep the guy he likes in power and keep power in the hands of the people who are specifically loyal to him.

People who aren't loyal to Trump or do things that Trump isn't supposed to like, they're the deep state figures who need to be taken out.

But let's not upset the whole thing.

Right.

This game doesn't work.

And because it doesn't, he isn't going to be able to help this guy running against Lindsey Graham at all.

There isn't a base that Alex represents that he can energize to vote for him.

I don't know how to put this other than like, this is a meaningless endorsement.

Yeah.

Like it does.

Once you're the guy who's like, you can do more within the system than outside, than everybody who's like, no, you can't, you've lost them instantly.

The moment you say that, you're gone.

Yeah.

It's still very early for the 2026 race, but a recent Qantas poll asked people in South Carolina about a hypothetical ballot where Mark Lynch was running against Graham in the GOP primary, and 48% preferred Graham compared to 23% for Lynch.

That's a big gap, but it's also a pretty strong sign of vulnerability for Graham.

Lynch isn't a household name and really was in that hypothetical poll as a stand-in for someone other than Graham.

This poll, in theory, says that 23% of Republican voters are probably just not interested in voting for Graham, and under 50 specifically are.

That same poll showed 29% of these voters being undecided, so there could be some traction here.

Like, he might have something to work with, but Alex is in no position to chip in.

And even beyond that, that kind of polling is going to galvanize or encourage other candidates.

It's going to show that Graham is vulnerable, has a weakness.

Sure.

And so other GOP primary candidates are going to probably want to get involved.

That would would be the idea.

Right.

So Mark Lynch has this appearance of this 23% polling, but that poll might actually have the effect of splitting that up among other candidates.

Unnamed guy.

Could be.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it does show that Lindsey Graham might be in trouble.

I would like for those polls to have to include.

just

generic woke candidate.

They should have to because there might be 2.2%, and that's what you want to find out.

Who's this guy?

What's he thinking?

Cartoon character of

absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yosemite Sam.

Absolutely.

Oh,

Yosemite Sam is a woke candidate?

No, no, no, no.

I was going with just route their cartoon characters next, not also the painting, the, yeah.

Yeah, that would be fun.

Yosemite Sam.

Yeah, why not?

Just throw it in there.

Who cares?

So,

Mark Lynch is on the show, and he sucks.

I have no interest in him.

But at points, he's trying to talk about some issues and polling and stuff like that.

And Alex is predictable.

You make a key point that I didn't think of.

You're right.

Lindsey Graham is just emblematic.

He's the tip of the iceberg.

There are a lot of rhinos

and Democrat operatives that pose as Republicans.

in state, local, federal

seats that we all need to continue to do assessments of these people because they're all over the place.

Yep.

Well, his constitutional lifetime voting score is 57.

69 and below is an F.

So he's failing us.

He's not voting constitutionally.

In Club for Growth, his lifetime score is 65.

That's an F.

In the Heritage Action for America score, lifetime score, 56.

And his Liberty score, Conservative Review score, was 43.

Well, let me ask you this, Mark.

What is his wife's politics like?

His wife?

Oh, he didn't have a wife.

What's his girlfriend's politics?

I don't believe he has a girlfriend.

I think.

Wait a minute.

Wasn't he married?

Oh,

he was the wife of John McCain.

I forgot.

Sorry.

There you go.

Long walk.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I mean, he's trying to talk about about how

Graham's voting record isn't in line with these constitutionalist principles and stuff.

And Alex is like, oh, he's gay, isn't he?

I mean, listen, I am of two minds.

First mind,

corrosive, damaging, useless.

Don't do that.

Second mind, probably more successful strategy than any kind of voting record questions.

Maybe.

Among his voters.

I don't know.

I'm not a campaign operative for the GOP.

I don't know what their rules are anymore.

It's unserious.

That's what I'm thinking.

It's not

indicative of the way that Alex engages with stuff.

It is far more the, hey, let's beat up this guy that I think is gay, as opposed to, like, hey, let's look at what the votes are.

And Alex, you know, he's a policy wonk.

He likes to pretend that that's who he is, but he's not.

Feels like we're just in high school in the locker room.

So now we enter an uncomfortable little realization,

and that is that Trump has not endorsed this guy.

And in fact, Trump has endorsed Lindsey Graham.

No, but Lindsey Graham isn't a constitutionalist, Dan.

Yeah, it's not good.

Oh, no.

So Alex tries to rationalize this

and brings up things that Roger has maybe said behind the scenes.

Roger loves Trump.

He knows him super well.

So I've learned a lot about how Trump operates.

You know, Roger was his wingman when he'd be in between divorces and Trump didn't want to have his girlfriends in the news.

So, you know, he'd be the guy that would go out to dinner with him so he could say it was Roger.

I mean, Roger's that close to Trump.

He knows Trump very well.

He says he's genius level on some things, but other levels, if somebody just tells him nice things up front and he feels good about it, he'll trust him.

And Roger just pulls his hair out of this.

Pressure on Trump works if he respects you and you give him the facts.

He doesn't respect people that just kiss his ass at the same time.

So I think we should all put pressure on trump to uh certainly if he's not going to remove the endorsement

if the polls show you can easily beat the democrat which i think is clear i think he's been advised though they'll cheat more if there is a real republican so and so trump what's what i've been told so trump's like well i'll go with who they'll let get in i i just i i just think if he just fully

got behind you but i get it if he endorses you early then graham will publicly stab him in the or in the front not the back

Here I am saying Trump's not that sophisticated, but actually is that sophisticated.

What?

It's just very frustrating.

Yeah, that does sound pretty frustrating.

It would be a lot simpler if you were like, okay, if you have a

bucket of puppies, Trump is yours.

Oh.

The end.

All right.

Yeah.

So if I'm to understand what Alex is saying,

Trump is siding with Lindsey Graham.

Right.

Because if he doesn't, the globalists will cheat and put a Democrat in office.

At least more,

they will cheat more

because he's a real Republican.

Right.

If Lynch is running, they'll cheat more.

Right.

But if it's not a real Republican, they will cheat less, but not at all.

Right.

And it's a district

where

they'd have to cheat quite a bit.

They'd have to cheat a lot.

Yeah.

Maybe too much.

Yeah.

There's a pro-GOP

impact.

Plus 80 million.

So it seems like even if we buy into what Alex is saying, then he's describing Trump as an ultimate coward

that

will not stand up for shit,

sides with the globalists

because the alternative would make him look bad, but actually wouldn't be any different.

And ultimately, if they flatter him, he'll go along with them.

A Democrat or Lindsey Graham functionally is the same to Alex as being in office.

According to those scores.

Right.

So Trump is allowing a Democrat to be in office

in the form of Lindsey Graham because it looks better to have a Republican in office.

Right.

And he's the Republican that the globalists will allow be in office.

Right.

So it sounds like

Trump is a coward and a scammer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's interesting to describe your messianic figure as a big loser who'll do what anybody tells him to do if they're nice.

Yeah.

But, hey, to each their own messianic figure.

And this formulation of like Roger was the wingman when Trump was between divorces because he didn't want his lady to be in the news.

It's interesting to me because what is that at the end of the day?

That's Roger and Trump running a scam on the media to hide information that they don't want to be out in public.

Yes, correct.

I feel like Alex saying that this is their relationship.

It really should call into question, like, have they continued to do stuff?

Maybe.

Maybe you would think, perhaps this is not an isolated incident and instead a pattern of behavior.

Is this indicative of their relationship that they run public scams together?

Interesting.

Oh, well.

See, now this is why all messiahs really peaked with St.

Patrick.

Because what is there more

wholesome than just getting rid of all those fucking snakes?

Just getting them out of there.

Well, see, there you go.

Yeah.

It It doesn't get better than that.

Well, snakes are an important part of the ecosystem.

Not where they were.

Without them.

Too many of them.

Well, but without them, we would have mongoose overrunning.

Right?

Is that the main thing?

Aren't they natural enemies?

Is that the main ecological niche that snakes occupy?

The mongoose population control?

Without them, mongoose have no natural predators.

Right, right, right.

Mongoose would just roam the earth like gods.

Yeah.

And mongoose are rude.

They are dicks.

That's why even snakes have to take them down.

Yeah.

That makes, no, it makes sense.

Yeah, St.

Patrick left us at the

mercy of mongoose.

So I don't think that this Mark Lynch guy has a lot of a chance.

I think that there is an opportunity for the GOP to primary somebody if they want to in that seat.

Yeah.

I don't know if it's going to be him, and I don't think going on Alex's show is going to do shit for him.

Yeah.

But.

I mean, in general, it kind of has the vibe of

nobody is going to vote for somebody they want to vote for.

You know, like in a congressional race.

A lot of it is voting against.

Right.

Yeah.

And it's just like, if you have somebody who can make people want to vote for them, maybe they've got a shot.

Now is a good time to take your shot because everybody hates the guy or person who's there.

Yeah, I think that we are in a place where I don't think it is fully there yet, but we're in a place where providing a positive vision could become a very attractive electoral strategy.

Yeah, yeah.

Like there's so much negative and so much voting against people that providing some kind of a, no, I actually want this.

Yeah.

That might cut through a lot of noise.

I kind of don't like any of these fuckers.

Here's what I want to do.

Yeah.

And we're going to do that.

But

I'm not sure how much the

full body of the population is there, but it feels like we're on the way towards that.

It's tough to believe.

It's tough to believe.

So something you can believe is that you've got to buy that fucking gold.

You've got to buy that fucking gold.

Alex has been having Kirk Elliott on every day.

That's a war bond, if you've ever heard one.

Yeah, so here's a little of that.

Now U.S.

Intel says, oh, if you keep attacking Iran, they've got the parts to put the bomb together now.

They'll nuke Israel.

Israel responds and says, yeah, just breaking.

They've got the bomb.

We got to go in boots on the ground.

See how we're getting sucked in.

There's two ways to look at this.

Mossad says Iran now 15 days from a bomb.

Two weeks.

You have to still say up to a year.

IDF chief says Israel must prepare for prolonged campaign against Iran.

And the CIA says that will make them go straight to the bomb.

They already got the bomb.

Dr.

Kirk Elliott's been joining us daily, and I appreciate him holding when I had that guest on a little bit extra

because you've been warning about the straight of Hormuz.

Iran says they'll seal it.

20% of the oil comes through that.

That bare minimum will trigger an economic collapse.

It will derail.

The numbers are clear.

People still don't seem to get this, though.

It's at least going viral.

There's been new developments since you were on yesterday in the markets.

We need to sell that gold.

Yep.

All of this stuff is

ramping up all of this anxiety and all of these news stories in order to funnel those feelings towards now buy gold from Kirk to make sure that you're safe from all of this terrible inflation and the Strait of Hormuz closing.

Absolutely.

And so that's just kind of normal.

That's what he does.

Hey, the earth is on fire, but

if you got gold, you'll probably be able to eat.

You'll probably be fine.

You'll probably be fine.

Yeah.

I can't see any reason you would be fine, but you'll probably be fine.

Ah, you'll be fine.

Yeah, you'll be fine.

You won't be fine, but you'll be fine.

I mean,

how is it possible to both want survival food and gold at the same time?

Well, survival food is insurance you can eat.

There you go.

As is gold.

Right.

But if you need one, chances are the other will be unhelpful.

Hmm.

Yeah.

I mean, this gets to the fundamental tension that the gold sales always have.

And that is that there's like

a sound investment angle that they're trying to sell this on.

It's like gold would be up 20%, and then you can sell it.

And look, you've made money for your retirement.

That's how it works.

Or whatever.

But then at the same time, there's the survival food element of it, which is once the shit all goes down, no one's going to accept paper money.

Yeah, you'll need to barter with gold?

Yeah.

Okay.

So those two things are both present in Alex's sales pitch, and they can't really.

They don't really work together.

No.

But we have one last clip from Alex and Kirk, and this just bummed me out.

Kirk Elliott Precious Metals, kpm.com forward slash gold.

30 seconds left.

What about the financial instruments?

Those are the real key things to roll over.

Yeah, your 401ks, your old ones, your IRAs, roll them over into physical metals, right?

And we're not talking about paper certificates, mining shares, mutual funds.

We're talking about physical metals.

So

allocate your retirement plans where most people have their wealth.

Give us a call.

Go to the website, kempam.com forward slash gold.

Follow us on X at Kirke Elliott, Ph.D.

We'll get you the information you need and put your mind at peace during these turbulent times.

All right, Dr.

Elliott, thank you so much.

We'll talk to you soon.

That is so sad.

That, like, you probably could fuck up people's lives.

Yeah.

You know, encouraging them to put their 401ks

into his gold sale scam.

Yeah, I imagine that the way he gets around it is like, these are the people that are doing this are going to find somewhere else to go because this is the world that we exist in.

But man,

you don't have to do it.

I'm sure most scammers are able to reassure themselves by thinking, hey, whoever fell for this is going to fall for something.

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

And I hope they have a lot of peace of mind because of it.

No, of course not.

But I think that there's something

sinister.

about running one of these types of companies and being like, hey, you know, you got a little extra money.

Gold is a good way to, you know, hedge your investments.

And so that's kind of sinister, but whatever.

When you're like, hey, this retirement plan that maybe you've been putting into for 20 years working,

you should move that over to my goals.

There's something elevated about how cruel that is.

And Alex loves to talk about how the globalists are raiding the pension funds and the 401ks and stuff.

Like, this is some kind of evil thing that the globalists are doing.

And he's engaging in quite similar behaviors on behalf of his gold salesmen.

Yeah.

Like,

you know, I understand that any kind of 401k or investment carries risk along with it.

Sure.

But,

you know,

these people don't have your best interest at heart.

No.

It's not a financial advisor.

This is a guy who's running a gold and silver business.

No.

No,

there's no PhD in

ethics.

Let's put it that way.

That Ph.D., unrelated to

any kind of moral thinking.

Well, I've noticed that

economists who also run gold companies talk like this a lot.

They generally don't sound more like Kierkegaard.

Economists who don't own gold and silver companies don't often talk like this.

They don't talk,

I don't necessarily like the way they talk either.

But what are you going to do?

At the very least, they don't own gold and silver companies.

There's quite a difference that owning a silver and gold company does.

Seems hugely important to the next steps people take.

Yeah.

Wild.

So fuck these people.

Yep.

When we get back,

next time we reconvene, Trump will have bombed Iran.

Right.

And so Alex is now going to have to create an explanation.

We're going to have to rewrite all of this.

This is getting retconned.

Today is gone.

All of this stuff about like war fever has broken.

Yep, all gone.

It's going to need to immediately be backtracked.

Yep.

And I think that this will be interesting to see him try to pull this off.

And he's going to have to get war fever.

Yep.

And eventually he's going to have to get real sick about Epstein's stuff.

Do some black magic.

What?

He's going to have to pee in the pool.

He's going to have to pee in the pool for sure.

So we'll be back to check in on that.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's knowledgefight.com.

Yep.

We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the Mysterious Professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.