#1052: June 13-14, 2025

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes.

Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

My bright spot today is we're back.

We're back.

We're back here.

And I had a very nice trip.

We both went on trips.

We did.

I went...

I think that our trips illustrate our personalities.

That when we decide to take a little bit of a vacation,

you decide to go

to...

my wife and I went to Costa Rica

to essentially go on adventures.

Yeah, and I went to my hometown to relive

traumatic memories and some past

places.

Sure.

So I went back to Columbia, Missouri.

It was a very nice time.

All in all, great to see my boy Berger again.

Nice.

Shout out to Swear Engine.

But probably the best thing was I got to go back to 4M8, the theater I worked at for many years.

And I thought that I would get really emotional within the projection booth if they'd let me up there.

And it was a negotiation to get up there.

I will say that.

Okay, good.

I went and I asked the person at the concession stand to talk to the manager.

Right.

And the manager comes over, and he thinks, I think he thinks I was up to espionage.

Sure.

Sure, sure, sure.

He's like, leave your name and number.

I'll talk to my manager.

Dirty comie.

So I went to go see a movie and then came out and and they let me upstairs.

He had like cleared me.

That's correct.

Checked with McCarthy.

Good.

Good.

I got the all good.

All right.

All right.

But I went upstairs and, you know, there's no film anymore.

There's just digital projectors.

Yeah.

And so that wasn't like all that overwhelming.

But then we came down the stairs from the projection booth and right near the stairs is the back exit that goes out to the dumpster.

And I immediately was like, I got to go out to the dumpster.

Yeah.

I got to go out there.

That's where we used to get high.

Of course.

Yeah.

Smoke cigarettes.

Scene of the crime.

I started smoking cigarettes just to go out there on breaks with the managers and be cool.

And so we go out there and the manager is telling me, like, you know, hey, we have this state-of-the-art dumpster.

And I was like,

my man, that was there when we

exactly.

Right, right, right, right.

But there is a pole, a little pole that's coming out of the ground.

It's not connected to anything.

It might have been at some point.

Okay.

But back when I used to work there, we would smoke cigarettes and put them in the pole.

Right.

Because the pole had an open top.

Right, right, right.

Fools.

Yeah.

We filled it up.

And instead of cleaning it out, we just taped over it.

That makes sense.

And it was always this thing that was there.

There's like this taped over pole, and it's full of our cigarette butts.

Right.

And out by the dumpster, it was still there.

Yeah.

And I was like, hey, man, you know why that's taped over?

The tape was still on top of it, too?

Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah, so I told him and and I was like, man, this is great.

This is fun to be connected to a piece of lore.

This physical thing is still here.

And he was like, you got to clean that up, buddy.

No, he was charmed by it.

Oh, okay.

He seemed like he dug it.

Okay.

And it was kind of a cool be able to like, hey, here's a little secret.

Right, right, right.

We live in the present now, but I used to also be in the past.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that pole was there both.

It's a concept.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah.

So

the poll that I used to put cigarette butts in was probably a high point of interest.

That's actually pretty interesting and fun.

Yeah.

So what about you?

What's your bright spot?

My bright spot is obviously the trip.

My wife and I went on our...

We didn't have a honeymoon, and she's turning 40 this year, so we did it up.

I did it all by myself.

I did the whole planet and all that stuff.

Except for the sunscreen.

You know, yeah, well, I mean, she's the responsible one.

But, like, you know,

I was thinking about it, and I was thinking about like competition, competition, playing sports.

You know, sometimes you can do everything right, and it still just goes wrong.

Sure.

It's just how it works.

Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, you're just fucked that day, you know?

And sometimes you do a good job and things work out well.

And then sometimes you just have those days where you're just fucking, everything works.

Everything works without effort.

And that was what this trip was.

It could not have been better.

It was just nailed from start to finish.

And so it was great.

That's nice.

Yep.

What a wonderful vacation.

It was awesome.

It was really.

I jumped

off a canyon thing.

Sure.

About 35 feet or whatever it was.

I jumped off of there.

And normally I'm afraid of heights.

And my wife was worried whenever we were started doing this one that I was going to seize up and that I wasn't going to do all the jumps into

the water.

But do you know what she didn't know?

She didn't know that in my head, I was wondering, I was like, this is a little bit like the challenge.

We're like going to a, we're going to a different country.

It's basically doing a stunt.

Yeah,

we're doing a bunch of different things.

We're going to different places.

I remember an episode where Leroy doesn't do the jump in the canyoneering, and he doesn't jump into the river.

And then I thought, you know what?

I wouldn't disappoint TJ.

Jumped.

Boom.

I don't disappoint TJ.

That's what happened.

He hates quitters.

He hates quitters.

I would be lying if I didn't tell you that TJ helped me make that jump.

I think for people of our generation and our age that he's inspired a lot of adrenaline-based

decisions.

Yep.

Well, it's fun.

I think that it's just incredibly on

brand for our characters

that you went and jumped into a canyon in Costa Rica.

Yep.

And I cried while walking the paper wrap from when I was a kid.

So

there.

And that both of us think that's a vacation.

Sometimes emblematic things can be

on point.

Yeah.

Yep.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

Indeed.

We're going to be talking about June 13th and 14th, 2025.

All right.

Last we left off, the United States was in a civil war.

Yes, it was.

How's that going?

It had been declared.

Yep, yep.

And Alex had announced that the 14th was the start date of the future.

Yeah, it was a great jump off.

Yeah.

God was pushing everyone towards that date.

All right.

So we're going to see what happened on the 13th and the 14th.

That makes sense.

Yep.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So first, Chewy V, we support your recovery and remind you, tackle it one day at a time.

Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, hey, Dan and Jordan, thank you so much for making the WoW Classic Grind a lot more fun.

John S., thank you so much, Jerana Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

I realize that's World of Warcraft, but when I saw Classic Grind, I forgot that that's what it was, and I thought of MTV as the grind.

Oh, okay.

That makes sense.

And I don't know how we would help that.

That would also be classic, though.

Yeah.

And happy pride, all you radical rainbows.

I love you all.

Thank you so much.

You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we have Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to the paddle.

Not the other paddle, but this one.

This very one.

Don't confuse them with the other one.

Thank you so much.

You are now Technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Sharp.

Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bump.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little titty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Now, let me make a quick correction.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was Patty.

That was Patty.

Yeah.

Yes.

I read it as Paddle partially because my brain started reading it, and I thought it was a play on the cane from news Radio.

Makes sense.

And I thought that's what it was, but with a paddle, but it's Patty.

Anyway, my apologies.

This Patty displeases me.

I will keep this one.

This one I keep.

So,

Alex here is on the 13th, and a lot of the show is a dud.

I am not interested in a whole lot of the nonsense that he's got going on.

He has Daniel Estelin on because I guess Bilderberg is happening around this time.

Great.

Who cares?

But he has another guest on his show on the 13th that I think bodes poorly.

All right.

We could not have a better guest on right now.

He was Ron Paul Stafford,

award-winning

lawyer from major policy ideas and things he developed.

And a grand, of course, a paratrooper.

the founder of the Oath Keepers.

And then the main guy

of all the people that got demonized, Joe Biggs, Enrico Tario, great guys, did absolutely nothing wrong.

Political prisoners, pardoned by the president or commuted in his case,

put in the gulag, never broke his will, said Trump was going to win reelection, said we were turning our own, and came out of prison stronger, because I've known this guy for a long time than before.

And he was strong then.

I think you look younger than before, Jay Six.

What the hell's going to the time machine or something?

I'm getting jealous here.

Prison does that to you.

That's what I heard inmates say is it preserves you.

I remember Bannon came out.

You know, he looked pretty rough before.

He looked like 20 years younger when he came out.

Yeah.

So, so

what an incredible time.

You can speak to the globalist, Shi-Com, Democrat Party, all-confirmed uprising that they've got going tomorrow that's just beta tested so far.

Bannon might have looked better because he didn't have booze in prison.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There are a lot of things that Bannon didn't have access to that he does to himself.

Yeah, yeah.

So the United States is in a civil war, as Alex has already declared.

They're on the eve of the big wave that Alex is saying is kicking off tomorrow.

Not the best guest to book necessarily, the guy who stormed the Capitol with his militia gang

and tried to overturn the 2020 election.

But

certainly, you know, it fits.

I mean,

I suppose his book would be titled The Short Waddle to Freedom, something along those lines.

Because not the inspiring figure that

he wishes he could be.

Yeah.

I think that he probably.

It's really interesting to think about what he must be feeling.

Because if he does feel like there is a civil war, he must feel pretty emboldened.

You'd think.

Because I don't think you can do anything really all that worse than try and overthrow an election.

I mean, like, in terms of crimes against the community, against people.

Yeah.

So I feel like he must think that as long as he's he's doing something for Trump, he can do anything.

I mean, you'd think that, but man, maybe, maybe he doesn't.

Okay.

Here's what I'd say, right?

I'd say that unlike Roger Stone's pardon,

where it was clear that from this point on, Roger Stone is my Tony

in all ways.

Well, I feel like there's

already

a lot of

a little.

For sure.

I'm sorry.

Absolutely.

I don't see that happening with him because the pardons were different.

This was a little bit of a weird kind of situation.

Without

the gun rights being reinstated and stuff.

If I'm dealing with the deal maker as what he believes Trump to be, and I see that I'm not getting the same sweetheart deal as other people, I'm staying back.

Standing back and standing by.

I'm standing by because I'm letting other people do the you need a pardon shit for a while.

That's what I'm thinking.

Yeah, that might be.

That might be.

I'm conflicted between like the, I think I can do anything I want now.

Right.

Or I got away with a crazy thing.

I mean, crazy.

I'm going to be pretty clean for the rest of my life.

Oh, boy.

I don't know.

Yeah, it's like, do you buy a shit ton of lottery tickets or do you just go away?

I don't think you can go away.

I don't think if you're the type of person who leads an insurrection, I don't think you can not do it again if you get the chance.

There is, it does feel like in for a penny, in for a pound situation.

Yeah.

So, tomorrow is the No Kings protest.

Sure.

And it's the big one.

We have Anna Paulina Luna and other members of Congress saying they've been shown the intel

and that

this Black Lives Matter, you know, leftist commie consortium funded by the billionaires, the TICOMs, the NGOs, No Kings, are planning and are dressing up like MAGA supporters to attack people tomorrow across the country.

So

J6 2.0, the false flag, the Kent State.

I don't think there's a question if this is the big one.

They're going for the destabilization, Podesta, break-up the country plan that's public and it's treasonous.

They should be prosecuted.

The question is: will it fizz out?

Will it be a dud?

They're going with the big one.

This is the big, fabled one.

This is it.

All of it happening now.

Fabled.

The question is: can we navigate this?

Will it sputter and fail?

Stuart Rhodes is our guest.

GiveSimgo.com four.

So you didn't read Aesop's little bit about the No Kings protests?

The No Kings fable, I have not read.

How does that does the tortoise win that one, or is that more of a hair gig?

No, they get eaten by a witch.

That's fair.

It's a dark fable.

I mean, that's fair.

That is how they usually end.

Yeah, so

I'm now at the point, I think, and maybe I've been in this point for a little bit, where I've heard Alex say, this is the big one, too many times.

Maybe.

I feel like for a long time,

he was pretty careful to be like, there's a big one coming eventually.

Yeah.

And now he's just throwing it around like it's

lollipops at the doctor's office.

It feels cheaper.

Everything feels a lot cheaper.

We're seeing,

to put it this way, we're watching the wrong jaws because we're seeing a lot of shark.

We're seeing too much shark here.

Right.

This is like deep blue sea.

They show you the shark immediately.

Too much shark.

Give us a little suspense.

Yeah.

So Stewart has a plan.

Okay.

And that is that Trump should just kind of make him the army.

Why not?

That does make sense.

What President Trump can do that's unique is he has the authority that was already provided by Congress many times, many, you know, back at the start of the founding.

The militia acts provide for calling forth the militia.

He can call all of us up and us veterans until age 64.

And I believe he should.

I think what he should say is given the reality of an invasion, of an insurrection, of a necessity to execute the laws of the Union, I'm calling forth the militia, not just the National Guard, but the rest of the militia, which is the unorganized militia.

I'm going to call you together and order you to organize yourselves in your counties with the veterans instructed to take command and then organize and train the other men.

You stay in your counties until the President gives you any further orders, but you get yourselves ready.

And why that's important is then you're getting yourself trained up and organized for the inevitable October 7th style attacks that are going to be coming.

Or the other whether

his first admin that didn't crank up the civil unrest of last year.

They're doing it at the start.

Right.

And it's going to keep going.

So I don't understand what difference there really is between the way things currently are and what Stewart wants Trump to do.

He and his militia buddies can clearly organize to their heart's content and prepare for whatever terror attack they foresee coming.

He seems to want to have the official sanction of the state on his little army, but I think it's clear that he already kind of has that.

Since they tried to overturn an election on Trump's behalf, then Trump got them out of jail when he got back in office.

In every meaningful way, Trump has called Stewart and the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys up as a militia.

Maybe he hasn't done that through official government channels, but Stewart wouldn't want that.

That would lead to him having to submit to some form of oversight or regulation, and Stewart doesn't like that shit.

That makes being a petty tyrant less fun when there are rules.

Basically, what I'm saying is that if he's communicating his objectives sincerely, he's achieved them.

There is no difference between the world he envisions and the world.

Well, I mean, there's the perception difference.

There's the public perception difference.

In one situation, he is essentially a Duke bandit king.

Yeah.

Highwaymening his way through the middle of nowhere, causing problems.

The head of a network of veterans armies that run small towns.

To do what exactly?

Sell merch.

What are we talking about?

To take over counties?

That's your plan?

To sell merch.

We're going to do a county-by-county takeover.

And then what?

You're going to hold municipal government hearings?

Of course you're not.

Right.

You fucking lunatics.

And then we're going to tax everyone.

I mean, collect dues.

Right?

Like, what are you talking about?

Organize garbage.

Or you're going to organize garbage pickup.

That's what they're going to do.

Hey, that would be nice.

It would be nice.

I would like them to have municipal duties to see why they don't do them.

No, because they're boring.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Let regular people just do their jobs, man.

No, we want to shoot things.

Then go into the woods and stay there.

No,

because civic government annoys me.

If that was the conversation, that would actually.

I'd be like, yeah, that's fair enough.

I guess you're right.

I guess that it does annoy you.

Maybe I don't want to be told that I have to trim this hedge.

You're a giant baby, but I guess I can't really argue with a baby.

Now, can I?

Wow.

So

Alex seems to think that there's a flow chart to how things work in Stewart's militia utopia.

Okay.

And Stewart seems to have a completely different chart.

That makes sense.

These guys are not connecting.

Okay.

And the real answer is the founder's answer is we, the people, the militia.

Now, President Trump can call us up right now.

No governor can stop him because you're being called into federal service, and he can organize us by by the county like that, and he should.

And then the sheriff's department can weed out quickly who they don't want.

The sheriff would have nothing to do with that.

It'd be the president of the United States.

But I would imagine under that command, though, the states would be brought in to organize under that.

If they're cooperating, they could.

But my point is, is that under federal statutes, the president has...

No, I understand that.

So I guess he would designate the feds that would lead that.

No,

he would say the military men who live in that county come together, the veterans, and that's who he puts in command.

Now, he might use a National Guard general to go oversee them.

He could certainly do that.

Or an active duty Army general.

He could do that, too.

Or Marine Corps.

He certainly could.

He could insert his chain of command into the state and make sure that the men are organized properly and that they're not doing anything they shouldn't be doing.

But my point is, is that he can go around the governors, like Newsom.

He can go around any traitorous county leader.

And let's be clear, the Podesta plan from August of 2020, which they said they're implementing this time, if Trump didn't get it stolen, if they couldn't override him, they were going to go to full insurrection, blue state city, secede, shut down the country, and drive him from power.

Then they made the movie Civil War with a $350 million budget two years ago, released last year.

What are we doing?

War gaming and pre-programming.

This is happening.

They're trying this.

So this clip is a really good encapsulation of how not on the same page these guys are when it comes to details.

They have the same vibe, which is dude, overthrow democracy and install a king, but they're talking different languages.

Alex imagines a militia that's based in a sheriff, because the sheriff is the highest legitimate form of law enforcement that the extreme right, states rights, kind of the extreme right-wing folks,

that ideology that he grew up in, they fetishized the sheriff.

Yeah, makes perfect sense.

He imagines the sheriff brings together a posse and then they do Trump's bidding.

Stewart's more in favor of just letting veterans form their own organization completely outside of any recognized chain of command under the president because that way he can become a warlord just carrying out Trump's bidding without the pesky sheriff.

Yeah,

don't need it.

You can see from exchanges like that one how they really aren't speaking the same language, but they know they both fundamentally want the same thing.

Also, since the last time we recorded, I finally got around to seeing that Civil War movie, and it's nothing like what Alex made me think it was going to be.

Not even close!

He says that the Nick Offerman character is a Trump stand-in, and I think if you say that, you're telling on yourself a little bit.

That movie seems to go out of its way to not be political.

And the Civil War itself isn't really well defined on purpose.

It's a story about combat reporting and how journalism gives you PTSD.

I don't think Alex saw that movie.

Nope.

I think he brings it up.

And I think if he did see it, I think he would be super bored.

Yeah, it's a really boring movie for him.

It's not about two giant tanks shooting at each other, and one of them has a big

red, white, and blue penis on it that he can root for.

It's about characters being in pain

and Kristen Dunce not wanting this younger girl to be in the same pain that she is.

Yep.

That's

a really small story,

all things considered.

I like, here's what I like.

I like that on the eve of this no-kings protest that Alex is trying to

discredit as being

bullshit and not about the very, very thing that it is about.

Stuart Rhodes is asking for a president to have a singular army that he has unilateral control over with no oversight whatsoever.

That is organized on a county basis with veterans and weirdos who are willing to overthrow the government on behalf of Trump.

Right.

Loyalists like that.

Right.

That is literally serfdom.

That's what it was.

That's the whole idea of it.

That was the thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah, these guys aren't subtle.

They're not good at this.

Yeah.

So Alex continues down this road of like, tomorrow is the day.

Yeah.

And that's really the vibe you'd be getting if you were watching his show at this point.

What do you make of Anna Paulinga Luna and others saying they've seen the photos, the documents from law enforcement, the left, we already talked about it, but this is big.

They're planning, they are dressing up like us and causing bedlam tomorrow.

We've got to get this information out to everybody.

Everybody watching this needs to share this.

When we archive this in a few hours on X from the show, you've got to share this.

He's going on Owen right when the show, my broadcast ends in 22 minutes.

He's walking over there, the war room, 3 p.m.

This is critical.

We've proven

this is what we do.

Stewart does this full-time.

Back, we worked for Ron Paul decades ago.

I do this full-time.

This is what we do.

We defend the Republic.

We defend our freedoms.

And information and truth is the antidote to what's about to go down.

So we scream full-time and and really agitate people and incite them about how tomorrow is the day.

That's what they do.

Full-time.

Yeah, we cosplay a TV show for money.

Great.

So the commies?

Yep.

What about them?

They're going to do false flags the next day.

Right.

They're dressing like the people in order to false flag you.

Yeah.

Now, I can't think of anything less useful at this point than a false flag.

Yeah,

I would tend to agree with you somewhat.

I think that people are a little jaded and

desensitized in a way that it hasn't felt like in a long time.

I think that Alex's

stuff feels a little bit sillier in 2025 than it did, certainly, even just a few years ago.

Sure.

But yeah, apparently some commies are going to dress up like Trump supporters in order to attack other commies in order to make Trump supporters look like they want to attack commies.

Right.

Although the Trump supporters really do want to attack commies

quite a bit.

Yeah.

And do.

They do.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you're.

Because I think the false flag is either about getting public opinion on your side or like creating a certain cassius belly kind of thing.

Yeah.

And I think you don't need either

for anybody at this point.

If you want a reason, you got it.

And I think that that extends to somewhat of the other use that this has for Alex, which is pacification pacification of his audience.

Sure.

If something were to happen at these protests, like a Trump supporter just machine guns people down or something,

I think that you have a risk of some of them being horrified by this.

Sure.

And for Alex to have it preemptively set up as like, no, it's all fake.

These are just people attacking themselves.

Right.

There is a pacification that he can hope to achieve from that.

And people will just keep buying the products and rah-rah, the info war.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's That's the other thing between other than like the Casas Belli and

the other options.

Just allowing it to happen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Make sure.

Like

desensitize yourself.

Right, right, right, right.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So anyway, that's happening tomorrow.

Okay.

If the commies are able to get a real rebellion going other than isolated areas,

they say they're hitting a thousand areas to

1,000.

1,000 areas.

Gut level, do you think it's going to go big or it's going to fizzle?

Well, it depends on what happens.

I think if

they want that Kenned State moment, then it would go big.

It'd be like the George Floyd protest.

They would use that.

Oh, that's the plan.

Right.

So that's what you want to deny them.

So right now we need to.

But they're going to do it to themselves.

They might, right?

So they just.

I'm predicting.

It may not be tomorrow.

I'm predicting they mobile their own people down.

They're doing it.

They're doing it.

Geared up like this to not do it.

Right.

Or maybe they, Oklahoma City, truck bomb them so they can kind of have plausible analytics.

So whether they do it through a false flag or whether it's a real insurrection that rises up,

I think it's kind of so yeah, that just

didn't happen.

But overnight, a gentleman, a guy in Minnesota, did shoot a bunch of people.

Sure.

He went to the houses of a state senator and a state representative and

killed the representative and her husband and wounded the

state senator and his wife.

And yeah, so that did happen overnight.

So Alex normally would be off on a Saturday.

Right.

But there was these murders.

Right.

And he's established that this is the beginning of the fifth wave.

Sure.

So he wants to be on air to watch the protests and like talk about it.

If there's a bomb that goes off somewhere, he wants to be able to like be covered.

Yeah, he's got to be on the air when it happens.

Right.

When the the shit goes off, you got to be there.

Right.

You can't say the big shit's happening on the 14th and then not do a show on the 14th.

I'm going to take a day off.

Yeah.

So

he does come in for a Saturday show.

And he starts off with a little bit of coverage about the shootings in Minnesota.

Probably great.

We also have the No Kings Democrat Party ChiCom

Consortium

with reportedly over a thousand locations to have disruption and violent uprisings that have already begun in many parts of the country as we go into day number

eight of the political violence promised by the Democrat Party.

And then as soon as I saw this break about three hours ago,

two Democrat lawmakers and their spouses shot.

One lawmaker dead, her husband dead, the other two in critical condition, I thought, let me look up their voting record.

And they had been Democrats that were coming over to the Republican Party and were reportedly about to join the Republican Party.

And one of them, particularly, had just voted to not give illegal aliens free health care coverage.

And I immediately thought, oh, I wonder if it's kind of part two of how the Democrat Party's even got bills named after the

shooter of the New York healthcare insurance company executive.

We've got polls of Democrats with 80% praising it saying there's more killings.

I was just guessing that.

And now the police identified that the reported alleged shooter, who they chased off the scene, so they're pretty, you know, 99% is him, is a Tim Waltz high-level appointee and a no-kings organizer and had a bunch of the flyers in his car.

So back in the day, when events like this would happen, the people coming up with the talking points to call the shooting a a false flag were rightly relegated to really dark corners of the internet, like low-traffic message boards.

Alex had a real purpose, because he was one of the only people with a real show, and he built up a fake persona as the guy who reads white papers and secret documents, so he had a unique ability to pass off things that he read on those dumb message boards as something other than what it was.

He gave a gravitas to it just by the uniqueness of his position.

He was in that special position where he could take these talking points from fully extreme places.

He could launder them into slightly less offensive packages so they could reach a possibly wider audience who wouldn't know the kind of shit that they were engaging with.

But like so many Americans, technology has rendered his job obsolete.

Twitter is just all of that now.

It's the home for extreme right-wing talking points like the old message boards.

It's a place with a gullible, wider audience of people ready to be drawn in by slightly sanitized versions of those extreme talking points, and it's a place where everyone is just as legitimate as anybody else.

Most people don't even use their real names, so if they want to tell you that they have a doctorate in political science, I'd like to see you disprove it.

Who knows?

Who knows who this fucking ding-dong is with a fake name?

All of this stuff Alex is saying about his immediate reaction to the shootings in Minnesota very well may be his actual thoughts, but they're also exactly what everyone on his side posted on Twitter to try and deflect any questions or responsibility being aimed in their direction.

No one knew what was going on or who this guy was, but the targets were Democrat lawmakers, and it's very easy as an impulse for people to assume the motive from the target.

Alex and all of his ilk, they knew fully well that they were going to need to be on the defensive, because it makes the most sense that a rampaging right-wing guy would kill Democratic lawmakers, particularly in a state where the state house was at a complete tie, with both parties having 67 members in office until the shooting.

Alex and all of his contemporaries knew that it's critical to import,

it's very important to avoid any possible insinuation that their rhetoric and incitement had any part of leading up to this crime being carried out.

So it's key to start fucking with that wet cement before it dries.

You need to get to work.

Whatever little things they can come up with have to be weaved into a narrative.

So they hope that they can make it strong enough to hold up against the weight of any facts that come to bear upon it once those facts are known.

So you have these little tidbits of things that Alex found on Twitter.

The first story that Alex has is about this state house member who was assassinated, Melissa Hortman.

According to Alex's version, she was becoming a Republican and she'd voted against giving undocumented immigrants free health care.

Right?

Exciting.

Sure.

This has to do with Hortman's recent vote for SSFH1, a bill that would strip undocumented people over the age of 18 for being eligible for participation in Minnesota care.

To give a little background context on this, Minnesota's legislature had been in the process of trying to pass a two-year budget, and in May they announced that they had reached an agreement.

Part of that agreement was the cutting of Minnesota care access for the undocumented immigrants, but this budget agreement doesn't just become law because the party leaders all agreed on it.

In Minnesota, the members of the state house and senate don't vote on the full budget as a yes or no bill, like one thing.

They vote on each piece individually.

Thus, even though they had this agreement for the budget, it could still lead to fights down the road or potential compromises needing to be made between lawmakers.

Democrats in the House were trying very hard to get the Republicans to budge on the Minnesota care issue, but it was very clear that this was a hard line for the GOP.

The GOP also made it fairly clear that they were willing to shut down the government and not vote to pass other areas of the budget if they didn't get their way on this part, which is part of why it ended up passing.

Hortman was the only member of the DFL to vote for the bill, but it would have passed with or without, like, if she had just abstained, it would have passed.

I can't say for sure, but I really suspect that she voted the way that she did as a sign of good faith, given her role as the caucus leader and the former Speaker of the State House.

Given other recent votes that she made, like voting against trans athlete bans and women's sports, I'm not convinced of Alex's insinuation that she was just about to switch parties.

Alex is using this narrative to suggest that she was killed by Democrats as a punishment for not towing the line.

That is why this piece he has pulled from Twitter.

The next thing Alex is repeating from memes that he saw was that the alleged shooter was a high-level Tim Walls appointee and a no-kings organizer.

The shooter did have no kings flyers in his car, but that's not evidence that he was an organizer for these protests or even involved.

The question of the shooter being a Tim Walls appointee is an interesting one though because there's some truth to that.

Alex says that he was a high-level appointee, but how high-level is high-level?

What does that mean?

He was a member of the Minnesota Workforce Development Board.

Is that high-level?

Or is that mid-level?

No clue.

Low-level.

Who knows?

No idea what that is.

Alex says that Walls appointed him to be on this board because that's supposed to create this connection between him and Walls that can't be explained.

Like, why would Walls choose this guy, of all people, to put on this board, this high-level appointment?

What Alex fails to report is that the shooter was appointed to the board by former governor Mark Dayton in 2016 for a three-year term, and Walls just re-upped his appointment in 2019.

There's no reason to assume that Walls even really knew who this guy was.

This is the level of appointment that might be relegated to

a lower-level stashing decision.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

Alex is using this narrative to imply that Walls was in on the killing, probably as the person pulling the strings.

The specific details of how Alex wants to play this story aren't totally clear yet, but the implications you're supposed to come away from this intro with are: one, the entire country is on fire because of the LA protests, and two, the shootings of these lawmakers and their families in Minnesota are false flags that were carried out by the left, likely targeting one of their own who they knew was going to defect to the Patriot side soon, probably orchestrated by Tim Walls.

Sure.

So that's where we're at.

Yeah.

Right out of the gate.

Yeah.

Pretty good.

It's a good start.

I mean, you know,

what else would they say?

There's nothing else to say.

You're not going to be like, let's wait and see what the.

Right.

Of course not.

Coverheads prevail.

I mean, yeah,

the reality is these people have just made themselves irrelevant in every possible way to anybody who's listening.

Do you mean Alex?

Yeah, like if you are doing this, then you shouldn't be listened to, period.

Sure.

You know, like it is, it is that simple.

If you are a person who is like, well, we figured it out, then you're unlistenable to, period.

Well,

I think that, yeah, I would agree with you generally, but I think that there's some people who just want that immediate knee-jerk reaction.

Sure.

And also, you're making yourself irrelevant to them because you are revealing that all you're doing is Twitter shit.

Exactly.

And so that, like,

yeah, it's a bummer.

It's, it's, it's just, it's a depressing.

You've rendered voices meaningless.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think that if you're Alex, there is probably like a pretty strange feeling you get when you see that news of I have been ramping up for a while

that this is the day that the wave of patriot fifth wave breaks and God is pointing us towards this date and this is these protests are going to be the ones where the commies take over a thousand areas of the country.

Yeah,

I just think that you probably have to wake up and see that and be like, oh, shit, I got to do something.

I mean, people are going to be looking at me.

If I'm, if I'm, here's what I'm thinking: I'm thinking,

well, obviously, I wouldn't be one of them because this is how I think.

I'm thinking, I hope,

like, if I'm a Republican,

even,

I would think, like, boy, I hope this doesn't do what.

I hope this doesn't work, basically.

I hope this doesn't succeed in pushing.

Because if I demonstrably prove that political assassinations work, that's not good for any politicians.

It's a rough road to go down.

Yeah.

That's for sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think that if you're able to directly minimize and spin political assassinations

that easily,

then I mean, one of the things that I think is incredibly shocking is

how it hasn't been that long, and it does not feel like this is a story that

anymore.

No, that's terrifying.

Well, I mean, hey, I, you know, Kyle Kinnan had a really great bit

where he was talking about how one of his favorite genres of film is, oh no, the president's been kidnapped, and that's just not fun to watch anymore.

Now you're just kind of like, well, I mean, man, it's tough out there.

It's rough.

It's rough.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just, you know,

it's a bummer.

This is all a gigantic bummer.

I would.

The information space that this,

like containing this

is a disaster.

Imagine, okay, so if you can,

right.

Maybe here's Alex's long-term plan.

We retroactively make it okay okay for him to have done all of the horrible things around Sandy Hook because now everybody does them.

Is that a possible, is that a legal argument?

No, no, no, no.

See, I made everyone on the planet me.

Now you can't judge me.

I don't know.

Retroactively, I don't know if it's going to help.

Probably.

Maybe it'll help

him feel better.

Possible.

So Alex, you know, he goes to the news about this stuff.

And by that, of course, I mean, he's reading a tweet.

Yeah, that sounds great.

I'm told by police sources in Minnesota, the suspect in the shooting of Minnesota state lawmakers is Vance Luther

Bolter.

And there is a reported photo of Vance Luther Bolter being reported by the Minnesota News, the Newark Post, and others.

It appears is the same Bolter who was appointed to the governor's Workforce Deployment Board 2019.

He

appointed to the governor's workforce department council 2016.

Continuing, here is his appointment by the governor.

Alex is tripping all over himself reading this tweet, and I'm pretty sure the reason why is that he doesn't want to accidentally read something that doesn't work for the narrative.

All that's important right now is that Walls appointed him to a position, and we need to make that position look prestigious.

Alex can't get any of the words in the name of the board correct, probably because he knows that anyone would hear the name of that board and instantly know that it's probably a volunteer kind of thing.

Sure.

He also knows that it's important to preserve the impression that he and Walls have a special connection, so it needs to be brushed aside that the shooter was in that position before Walls was.

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

No, it doesn't matter.

It was part of a long

game to do

the shooting.

So one of the things that Alex is really preoccupied with is the danger of optics.

Yes.

Not surrounding this shooting per se, but the protests that are coming later in the day.

Right.

They're calling Trump a fascist and a dictator.

And the White House and Pentagon fear they're going to try to have a Tiananmen Square moment at one of these parades today in D.C.

where people will run out and jump in front of the tanks and try to act like they're being attacked by tanks or something.

Like we saw with the senator out in

California confronting Noam during a TV interview she was doing inside a federal building, running up, hey, I'm going to get you.

So they would touch him and say, who are you?

And he would fight them, and he could say he was being oppressed.

They're just trying to trigger some type of Tiananmen Square event or Kent State event.

That's really what they want, but people are really seeing through this now.

So I've heard this come up a lot on Alex's show in this time period, this fear of the left creating a Kent State or Tiananmen Square moment and how that's bad for Trump's optics.

I wouldn't worry about that too much if I were him.

Like, we've seen a lot of horrible shit in the past year, pictures and videos that crystallize the severity of the moment.

The kind of stuff that the characters in that Civil War movie that Alex didn't watch would capture and give them PTSD.

At the beginning of all this, Trump said that he could shoot someone on the street and not lose support.

And that's more true now than it was then.

Yep.

He could run over someone in a tank, and I don't think it would matter.

The reason that Alex brings this up a lot is because he knows that it's a possible way that the extreme right could lose popular support.

If Trump were to roll over someone in a tank, Alex is afraid that the more normy side of the GOP would finally say enough is enough and that could erode the power base.

In order for that not to happen, Alex needs to create an atmosphere where Trump driving over someone in a tank is acceptable.

The easiest way to do that is to preemptively declare that any Kent State or Tiananmen Square type moment is staged by the protesters to make Trump look bad.

Normally, seeing someone run over by a tank would probably bum you out and make you feel mad at the force that the tank represents because it's a brutal dictator thing, and you have an empathetic human response to that.

True.

By preemptively invalidating any possible event like this from being real, Alex is allowing his audience to cheer on the force that would drive over someone in a tank while getting to pretend that they're still the type of people who wouldn't support that kind of thing.

If they wanted to get run over by the tank, really.

I don't love watching this person get run over by a tank.

Sure.

I'm not for it.

But they wanted it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really matter if you run them over with the tank as long as you get the pick.

Because the guy didn't get run over with the tank.

They

I mean, you can't prove it, but they totally murdered that guy later.

Like, they just asked him to move out of the way.

And then because we don't know who he is or where he's from and we have no further information about him, one thing you could probably infer from that is that guy is super dead.

But

you understand that the Tiananmen Square moment can't be manufactured unless the one guy driving the tank is like doing it.

Like you could just be like, hey guys, we're not going to do it.

We're just not going to do it.

We're not.

Everybody, we'll get out of our tanks.

We'll go shake the guy's hands.

We'll have a good time.

Like you have to be running over people with tanks to be the T.

Eneman Square moment.

Sure.

Kent State didn't happen because they, like, forced that guy to do all that stuff.

Yeah.

You know?

But I think that Alex knows that

the present climate

is

not restrained.

Right.

We've got so many guys who just can't fucking wait to kill people

that it's like, how do we not kill people?

Alex just had Stuart Rhodes on

it.

You know, like,

of course.

Of course.

So the commies.

Yeah.

They're all over the place, false flagging.

They just can't stop false flagging.

They can't.

So that's their plan.

It's been their plan.

And

now they are really trying to take it into high gear.

And you're going to have also a lot of lone crazies inside the Democrat Party system that are going to go out and carry out events themselves.

You already saw in Pennsylvania a crazed leftist because the governor, Shapiro wasn't communist enough for him, going and firebombing his house while he was in it and burning down a large portion of it.

But those stories hit the news and leave.

So earlier this year, a guy named Cody Ballmer threw a Molotov cocktail into Josh Shapiro's home, and I guess Alex has decided that it's because he was a commie and Shapiro wasn't commie enough for him.

Sounds true.

That's fun and all, but I'll just read it to you here from the Associated Press about this guy and his brother.

Okay.

Quote: The brothers also disagreed on politics.

Cody Ballmer, who's a registered as an

unaffiliated voter, had always been politically interested and considered himself more of an independent than anything else, but tried to convince the family to vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, said his brother.

I'm not even trying to say that he's a Trump guy or anything like that.

This was a man who's in the grips of some serious mental health problems.

If you read what his family has said in interviews, it's clear that he'd been in and out of hospitals and frequently resisted taking prescribed meds.

It's very sad, and he seemed to have also taken an interest in Gaza, but just like with him trying to get his family to vote for Trump, I don't think that's a coherent part of any political identity.

CBS News released the text of the 911 call that he made after setting Shapiro's house on fire, and he says, Quote, I don't really have an emergency.

I would like to apologize.

Governor Josh Shapiro needs to know that Cody Ballmer will not take part in his plans for what he wants to do to the Palestinian people.

He needs to leave my family alone.

He needs to get his eyes off my daughters, and he needs to stop having my friends killed, like he killed, he had Manny killed two weeks ago or last week on Saturday.

He was a guy who was struggling, but also a guy with a pretty clear history of domestic violence, so don't get me wrong, I don't want to make him out to be some kind of tragic figure.

He seems like a violent, abusive, mentally unwell guy, but what he doesn't seem like is a commie who was just mad that Josh Shapiro wasn't commie enough.

But Alex is right about something, and that is that these stories just come and go in the media, which is ironically why Alex can get away with playing the game that he's playing here, calling this guy a commie who's just mad that Josh Shapiro wasn't commie enough.

Yep.

So he's kind of complaining about the very thing that feeds him.

Yeah,

I mean,

like, it's so hard with these

political

things because people talk about like an ideology motivating people in this regard, but that's that's really awfully vague.

Like, nobody's motivated on either side by like, oh, we need a 2% progressive additional tax on, you know what I mean?

Like, it's when we're here, these guys are violent people regardless of what political party they're in.

It just so happens that one political party is willing to use them in the way that they want to be used.

Yeah.

And the other political party is trying to keep them from being used that way, but, you know, maybe not keeping them healthy in order to, you know, like there's a reason that they're vulnerable enough to be used in that kind of regard.

So Alex gets back to talking about the shooting

and the shooter

who is still alive.

Very responsibly, I assume.

Totally.

Yeah.

And he reflects on the fact that maybe it's a good thing that he's still alive so he can get the full story from.

Yes, that great.

Can you imagine if a Trump MAGA person went to two

state lawmakers, a senator and a House member,

legislature, and shot them and killed them.

Killed the senator and her husband,

seriously wounded the state rep and their spouse, and is on the run right now.

And the police just thought, hey, there's another lawmaker close to here.

Let's go check there.

And there he is in the parking lot.

Coming out after he's just killed these people.

He died by the police police got to him right there

and

shoots at the police and then just

runs off.

So too bad the police weren't able to get this guy, but maybe that's a silver line.

Maybe he survives.

We can find out who put him up to it.

We already know from interviews with the shooter's roommate and longtime best friend that he was a fan of InfoWars.

He was an active viewer of the show, so it's a reasonable question to ask if he's listening to this episode.

He would have to know that Alex would cover this shooting, and if you're a real info warrior, you probably think Alex can come up with the best spin to make sure that Trump and the extreme right don't get any blame for the shootings.

It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't be listening and maybe taking cues from what Alex is saying.

Like here, Alex is saying maybe it's good that the guy is alive, so he could tell us who put him up to it.

Yep.

Before the shooter was caught, they found a Buick that he was driving abandoned, and inside there was a letter to the FBI, where he claimed that he'd committed the assassinations on behalf of Tim Walls.

Walls was pulling the strings, and he was supposed to also kill Amy Klobuchar, so Walls could take her Senate seat.

All of the reporting that I can find around this letter referred to it as rambling and full of conspiracies, and while I haven't read the actual letter, so I can't say for sure, it kind of makes sense to me.

These murders were carried out as an extension of the information war, and thus, how the media covers it and what stories can be told about the murders, they're just as important as the murders themselves.

More so than in almost any other case that we've come across before, at least in my memory.

I get the feeling that this shooting has synergy with the right-wing media space.

The timing and the impetus of the attack was pretty much scripted on Alex's show.

And the broader social media world that he's a part of all were in the same kind of line, hyping up the 14th as the day that this shit kicks off and all that.

The social media world, and Alex as a mouthpiece, crafted an explanation for how this wasn't the right wing's fault by latching onto this tenuous connection with Tim Walls.

And it seems to me like this guy most likely wrote a letter to the FBI that was meant to piggyback on these conspiracies that were being pitched by folks like Alex and tons of other dipshits on social media.

I have to call out that I'm making some pretty large logic leaps there, and a fair amount of this could be off.

But this is how it feels to listen to this episode.

Like Alex is coaching a murderer how to spin his crimes not to implicate the larger information war.

Yeah.

And that feels fucked up.

Yeah.

Yeah,

that one's funny.

It's funny that, like,

it wouldn't occur to anybody in the regular media.

You know, they would write it down as, oh, this is rambling and filled with conspiracy theories, as opposed to looking at it and being like, oh, this is Alex's episode from yesterday.

Well, yeah, I think that Alex is pretty lucky that no one's listening to him.

Yeah, I mean, that's fucking crazy.

It's crazy that they would just ignore that deal.

But it's not crazy.

Anything that matters, they ignore.

Right, but even the, like, you know, just to be totally clear, the Tim Walls connection conspiracy stuff is not, like, unique to Alex.

Sure.

I just am pretty sure based on the way his roommate described it, I think he probably would be listening to InfoWars the day after he kills two state lawmakers.

Absolutely.

So if Alex Alex is getting it from Twitter and then this guy's getting it from that or he's getting it straight from Twitter, who cares?

People watch themselves on the news.

Yeah, that is absolutely what he was doing.

Absolutely.

With 1,000%.

People in the middle of car chases are sometimes watching to the coverage.

They're listening to the coverage of them being in the car chase with the P.

Yeah.

I mean, come on.

So that made listening to this episode feel particularly gla.

Yeah.

And thankfully, Alex jumps to a different topic.

Fair.

Because, you know, Bilderberg's going on.

Sure.

Yeah.

Bilderberg, you know, until about 15 years ago, didn't exist, the media said.

Big globalist consortium of the NATO

U.S.-British Intel system.

About 15 years ago, they started putting out their agenda.

It was usually bull.

It wasn't really what they're actually getting into in the main.

But this time they said how to depopulate.

Depopulation and replacement migration.

He says it.

It's on infowars.com with a link to the Bilderberg website.

So think how far we've come where even 15 years ago, they would say it didn't exist.

We were crazy.

Deep top party was crazy.

I was literally in Virginia one time covering it.

What, 2009?

And they said, just Jones made it up.

No one was there.

He was in the woods by a hotel just imagining.

Didn't matter.

I had helicopters and

Secret Service and they had the Marines out there guarding him.

Just, no, it doesn't exist.

No one said that Alex made up that Bilderberg was meeting in Virginia.

Someone pulled the the fire alarm in the hotel he was staying in, and Alex got all scared and freaked out about how they were trying to smoke him out of his room, and people made fun of him for making that up.

I can understand how he'd want to reclaim that story, because it's a bit embarrassing.

It was an embarrassing story, yeah.

It is true that the Bilderberg group has their agenda bullet points listed on their website, and the 2025 meeting does include one that was, quote, depopulation and migration.

You'll notice that Alex has interpreted this as how to depopulate and then just added the word replacement in before migration.

Yeah, no, it's a good place to put it.

Yeah.

Depopulation might be on the agenda because it's something that you might be worried about.

Like how in 2022, quote, disruption of the global financial system was on their agenda.

Sure.

Not because they were doing it, but because COVID had done it.

I thought everything that they do there is a how-to class.

Yeah, it must be.

Yeah.

So, no, I'm not convinced by this spin that he has on this one bullet point.

But come on.

Alex shouldn't be worried about these guys.

His buddy Peter Thiel Teal was there, and Joe Rogan's boss, the guy who owns Spotify, he was there too.

Sure.

It's a cool guy club now.

It is now.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Alex shouldn't be worried about these Bilderberg things.

Yeah, I mean, you know,

now that you're against the whole no-kings, why not have a bunch of kings?

I think that's the way to go.

There's never been a situation in my understanding, like in my reading of history, where a large group of aristocrats holding all of the power and wealth have done poorly for the major population.

Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that Bilderberg is super awesome or cool.

I just don't think that their depopulation and migration bullet point means what Alex was pretending that it does.

I think that his criticism is silly and doesn't get us anywhere towards solving the problems that

Bilderberg-type organizations may cause.

Okay, so let's call it a double bluff.

All right, they named it that just so people would never believe that they were doing a how-to depopulate and replacement migrate class.

Sure.

Right.

So then you do go.

You show up.

You're one of these rich people.

And they're just like, here's what you do to depopulate and replace your population.

What do you, do you like,

do you do a double take?

Like, are we just, are we just opening up?

Are we just saying it now?

There's a part of me that wants to just go to the next Bilderberg.

Yeah.

See if we can get an invite.

Yeah.

Why not?

Yeah.

If anybody knows anybody at Bilderberg.

Yeah, come on.

We're not rich, but fuck it.

We'll dress up nice.

Yeah, because even

if that class is about how to depopulate,

I would like to have that experience.

I would like to know.

Yeah.

It would fundamentally change my view on things.

Yeah.

I think it really would.

Yeah.

So, Alex, you know, this is the day when the uprising's happening in a thousand places.

Sure.

And so he wants to.

1,000 places.

He wants to watch a bunch of like, you know, the protester videos and stuff.

I think he quickly bores himself.

Yeah, that's right.

So the uprising has definitely started.

Most of the events

start at 3 Central around the country.

And the main ones start in about three hours.

5 Central.

Spaced out across the country, but on that time zone.

So the next few hours, it really

kicks off.

and this goes on for a while.

You seem bored.

I seem bored.

Seem real bored.

It's kind of boring.

Yeah, I think they played this game out in 2016 and it's kind of been diminishing returns ever since.

Yeah.

But he has a little video of a protester who's talking.

And you know what?

I think that

try and see if you can tell where Alex laughs in this clip.

Okay.

But you know what I know growing up in a white nationalist evangelical home that it's hurting us deep in the inside.

It's a psychic move.

White supremacy is not the misery for white people.

Strange place to laugh.

I mean, it is kind of funny.

It's a weird reaction.

Yeah.

I mean,

listen.

I mean, hey, to each their own.

I'm just saying that what that that may be a little bit over the top.

Just throwing that out there.

Sure.

Yeah, I don't think that Alex is ready to engage with the subtler version of the argument that this protester is making.

But I think that he was laughing because he does think that white supremacy is the answer for white people.

Yeah, absolutely.

So he ends up just making fun of this protester for a while

and does some voices,

and he's having a good time.

The good news is this creature will not be breathing, probably.

But you have to feel sorry for her.

Is that the good news?

Guaranteed, put the creature in public school, out power, even the private ones are and this pops out.

My God,

what a creature.

America's evil and white it's wild.

The lawmakers of his young killed they didn't vote to give the illegal aliens everything for the end of the kill of the wheeler wide

Sorry channeling that

bad acting

It's like two parts

mental illness

Two parts acting but they become the theater.

What about demons?

Although there are demons.

There should be demons involved.

Yeah, it's just half bad acting and half mental illness.

Mental illness demons?

I guess you have to go.

Yeah, she was more.

Yeah, it's got to be.

It's the epic.

It's a phlegm thing.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, that's how the demons are the phlegm.

Demons are the phlegm.

Demons are the phlegm.

It makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I don't know.

I find it silly to

constantly call

this person a creature.

Seems a little bit dumb.

Also, they're young.

Yeah.

You know, like, I think

I don't know if the clip that I played fully encapsulates it, but I think this person had a little bit of a dramatic flair

to themselves.

Sure.

But I also think they're young.

And I think that it's kind of

dumb.

to be an adult and criticize young people for being too dramatic.

You know what I mean?

It's dumb to be an adult and criticize young people, probably, period.

Because, frankly, we're going to die and they'll be the only ones left.

Or at least to criticize them without the awareness that, like, they're young.

Yeah.

You know what else?

You were dumb, too.

Yes.

Let's move on.

Super dumb.

Oh, surprise.

The young person does a thing.

Yeah, we got it.

Young people are...

I swear to you, next year, they're going to do more things.

They just don't stop.

And then eventually they'll be old people and they'll say that about young people and we'll just do do this whole fucking thing all over again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Alex referenced earlier that a senator got in trouble for coming into a press conference.

Right.

This was Alex Padilla.

Oh, okay.

What did he do?

Well, we'll talk about it after Alex talks about how cool it was.

Okay, cool.

Handcuffing a U.S.

senator is a warning.

The Atlantic, yes.

He just busts in a federal building, runs up.

I don't know who he is.

Whoa, I'm going to fight you.

I'll get him down.

I have a gun or something.

Oh, your senator will just stop attacking.

No, I'm elected to him.

Help me.

I can't believe you did this to me.

The warning, not the million-plus dead from fentanyl, not the World War III, not the human trafficking, not the sex slavery.

So, Alex is talking about Senator Alex Padilla, who got handcuffed and manhandled at a press conference that Christy Noam was holding.

And I don't really have much commentary about it.

Like, the video is widely available online, so anybody can watch it for themselves.

I think that some person could have a complaint that Padilla was disrupting the press conference and that he wasn't being polite enough to know.

I think you could.

I might listen to that complaint from some person, but not from Alex Jones, who's famous for his bullhorn techniques.

He paid listeners thousands of dollars to yell Bill Clinton's a rapist at Hillary's speaking events.

That's true.

This isn't political or even about ICE, but Alex's take on this is just embarrassing.

He's the agitation and disruption guy, and now I'm all of a sudden supposed to pretend that he thinks that Padilla should have been more polite and less disruptive.

Yeah, Alex should just come out and say what he believes: that his disruptions are a necessary, heroic part of democracy, and that disruptions against his side are illegal.

Just spit it out already.

Yeah,

it makes everything a lot easier.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This game where I'm supposed to pretend that there's like, oh no, this is bad disruption.

But I mean, it's the game that we play to live together, you know?

Because

if everybody was just out and out honest about what Alex and his people believe, then we got to fight.

We got to fight.

We got to fight, and somebody has to lose.

And whoever loses, you got to suck it up because you lost.

Like, that's just how it's got to go.

But if we convince ourselves of, like, you know, hey, could be meaning something else, then we can just move on and live our lives.

Maybe that's,

you know, I do think that there are obviously lies we must tell ourselves to live in civilization.

Maybe that's one of them.

Yeah.

So Alex, I think, probably should be more concerned about

essentially speech,

getting a senator handcuffed.

Yeah, that would be wise.

I think he should.

I think he, honestly, based on everything he's supposed to believe, that should be a big deal.

But this should be worse.

U.S.

Marines arrived in Los Angeles to temporarily detain Army veterans.

So, yeah.

Oh, my gosh, people get in their face.

They don't know what's going on.

They say, okay, detain them.

We'll see what the cops do.

Oh my god for the first time in US history Marines struck a deadly attack today

It's shocking video.

Oh my where they actually touched the man by the arm So they agitate this goes on and they're just waiting for a kid stay this is literally what Alex has been yelling about for years.

Yeah, this is literally what he's called martial law the carrying out of domestic police duties by military troops.

A man was running to get to an appointment with the VA and he didn't realize that he'd entered a taped-off area.

He didn't hear the Marines when they told him to stop because he had his headphones in.

So when they got him to the ground, they put him into zip ties.

He was held over two hours, and then he was released without charges.

This is so far past what Alex can accept that there's no real point in even maintaining the illusion that he cared about the stuff that he used to pretend he cared about.

He never gave a shit about posse comitatus.

It was all about exerting power.

That was the way that he felt he was able to exert some kind of power.

yeah and and possibly violence yeah i mean

he can't he can't make this mocking kind of oh they did a violent attack like he should be doing that about himself like oh they're gonna put me in a female camp

right yeah but i mean you know maybe maybe we're thinking about it backwards like the actions are dictating his bullshit right so if what he believed before was actually true and what he actually believed then you have to start a fight now.

Like, you have to start a civil war.

They did it.

They did the thing.

The military arrested somebody on U.S.

soil.

It's got to be done.

It's just, that's what he said.

It's like an automatic kill switch.

You know, it's like you don't even get to think about it.

You just have to do it.

Not necessarily.

I think even within Alex's old framework, there is a

way to deal with this without a civil war.

But it must be taken very seriously.

Exactly.

Yeah.

It has to be be like, this person must be court-martialed.

There has to be a giant investigation of how we got to this point to begin with.

You're probably going to end up with like the Joint Chiefs of Staff getting fired.

Right.

Probably some turnover in cabinet positions.

A series of events so wildly improbable that Civil War makes just far more sense on a logistics.

Right.

But I'm saying that there are other options.

There are other options.

Fair enough.

Fair enough.

It's not an automatic.

I accept that.

But yeah, this making fun of the idea that the military arrested a guy, certainly that's not the one's not in there.

That one's just not in there.

What an asshole.

Yeah, that's

boy.

He must just not think that the past is real, right?

I mean, he must,

he can't think that, like.

Well, we don't have mallets with the past written on them.

Because if we had mallets with the past written on them, and then whenever you do something and the past is like, nah-uh, and you get hit with the mallet, then you remember the past.

That That is true.

We got to have mallets.

I think that it's totally fine to forget about things and to make mistakes and grow over time.

Certainly, I think all of these things are ways that the present could not fully align with the past.

Sure.

But being cool with Marines arresting a guy.

There's stuff, you know what?

There's stuff I've gone past, and I still get hit with a mallet that says past on it.

Sure.

You know, how come this guy, how come this doesn't get hit with a mallet?

He should get hit with a mallet.

He should get hit with a mallet.

So we get back to the Minnesota shooter.

And they're really trying to figure out how to blame these lawmakers getting shot

to

Republicans, but it's a Tim Waltz staffer appointee.

When police saw him, identified him, shooting at them.

I think it's to say to say he's the guy,

alleged.

And he's got all the no-king stuff in the police car if he runs off.

The fake police or the real police car he somehow got.

So we've got lots of Mexican flags all over the country.

We've got feeds here for you.

The Tim Walls, though, says, appears to be politically motivated, but

I wonder if he's going to put any news statements out now about it being his staffer, his senior appointee

on the labor board for the state.

Alex has a ton of information wrong there, but it doesn't matter.

The audience isn't coming to him for accuracy or else they would have left long ago.

He doesn't have to be right.

He just needs to feel right.

And it feels right to the audience that this this shooter wasn't someone like them.

He's a different type of person.

He's a commie.

Yeah.

Yep.

That's it.

It is.

It's pacification.

It's almost confusing why he tries to adhere to any of the truth.

You know?

Like, just free.

Just free yourself.

Well, I think that some things would not be in your best interest.

Like, to say air isn't real or something like that.

Fair enough.

It's a pointless fight to pick

to

subvert that kind of truth.

Yeah.

Well, probably.

I mean,

it would be worse for him strategically if instead of inspiring people to murder their political opponents, he inspired them to jump thinking they can fly.

Well, we know that there's a line because he does not put up with flat earth stuff.

True.

So, like, there is a line that he thinks is

beyond.

Obviously, this is stupid.

Right.

Oh, my god um so truth matters somewhere yeah it's just figuring out exactly what that line is is is almost impossible people are weird man yeah people are weird so alex uh is talking a little bit about uh ice and their detentions and arrests and stuff i think he accidentally reads a statistic that he didn't mean to read didn't want that one out there's arrest of non-criminal eagles up 800

Well, they're all criminals, but yeah, they've been focusing mainly on the gangbangers and drug dealers, and that was who they focused on.

Now they're moving in to people that are here illegally, period, and that didn't go to their hearings.

Oh, the hearings.

So 800%, huh?

800% is a lot.

Yeah.

I think even he was a little bit surprised.

There is no situation where 800% should be used, probably.

Unless it's like, oh,

no, actually, I can't, I cannot think of one that is like, oh, we've, we're over year over year, we're up 800% is not a warning sign.

Even if your business is doing well, we're up 800%.

Then what happened?

What is going on?

We're out of control.

We're going to lose everything.

Like, it's nuts.

800%.

I hit 800% of one pin when I bowled.

I got an eight.

Got an eight.

800%.

Of one pin.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's tough to pick up a spare.

Right.

I'd have to get 200%.

200%.

Yeah.

So, yeah, dumb.

Anyway, Alex, I think he has gotten some messages that he needs to be a little harder on Israel.

Right, right.

Sure.

I think that

he's maybe seeing that the trend in the right-wing world, there's a growing popularity of folks who are more like Nick Fuentes

and are more openly critical of Israel.

And the way that Alex has tried to play this game where he's like, look, I don't like Netanyahu, but I don't want Muslims coming here.

Sure.

Like, that game is not enough, and it opens him up to way too much attack from these anti-Semitic critics that he has.

Yeah.

That they're like, oh, you work for Israel kind of stuff.

Yeah, I imagine as Christianity, the actual, the religion, religion, becomes less important to that subset of people who want to destroy the world, then, yeah, it would be harder to make that same leap that so many Republicans do, which is just like, we support Israel because that's where the end of the world is going to start.

You know, so it makes sense.

Yeah, and I think that there is a shift that is starting.

It's not meaningful because he still really doesn't have a position.

Sure.

But now that Iran and Israel are fighting,

I think that he's like,

it's going to come to a head.

I got to do something.

Sooner or later, you're going to have to pick something.

So he is now kind of shifted his position to, look,

Ron's bad.

I don't like the mullahs.

Sure.

I don't like Israel.

Sure.

The Nanyahu's bad.

What about him?

But let's be honest, we overthrew the Shah.

You know, we

put in the Shah.

I mean, yeah.

That's a weird time for you to remember that fact, but fine.

He's like, this is kind of like, it's all our fault.

You know?

I mean, yeah.

Yes.

Agreed.

All of this is our fault.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I'm being more generous to his position than maybe I should be.

Probably.

It is like, you know, we've meddled in the region and, you know, we destabilized Iran in order to put in like a friendlier I broke all my best friend's toys and now I should just leave his house right right so he has this take that is like I don't like either I really hate Muslims

but

it's kind of our fault in the past it's a toss-up guys yeah so he plays a clip of some people talking about positive stuff about Iran.

Correct!

What world are we in in 2025?

I don't know.

I think he found it on TikTok.

Do you know why Iran took our hostages back in the fucking 70s?

Because fucking Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter started that shit.

Iran just didn't out of nowhere be like, what the fuck, USA?

And start calling us the devil.

No, it's because our CIA is constantly over there fucking in their shit with Mossad and the fucking goddamn Jews.

Confusing?

Instigating bullshit.

We are all fucked.

Usually it's optimistic.

I want to be, but I can't.

Not on this.

I have to be realistic.

We're all fucked.

We're all fucked.

Good luck.

Long live the Republic.

I like that guy.

He's an elegant person.

I'm not saying you can't cuss your hair sometimes.

Swears too much.

The timing on that was pretty good.

I like this guy.

I like that guy.

Yeah, he seems like he's got a good head on his shoulder.

Fucking around with Masad and the Jews.

We gotta be realistic.

We're fucked.

We're all fucked.

I'm not gonna.

I don't think that you would say.

I don't think you would frame it that way if you weren't anti-Semitic.

Yeah.

I think you're saying the Jews in there.

I think you're kind of tipping your hand a little bit to choosing the 70s arbitrarily for, oh, yeah, just just the 70s.

Okay, no, that's fine.

I don't believe that this is.

I don't know who this person is, so I don't want to judge too harshly because I don't know the larger body of their work.

Sure.

I get a bad vibe.

Yeah, agreed.

But second, I just think that you don't have a good position

that includes that rant.

Yeah.

I would have liked growing up, you know, now that I'm now that I've lived a lot and I've read a lot more about how things actually functioned, I would have liked a lot more nuance and understanding of multiple points of view from my history classes growing up.

Sure.

I would have liked it if they didn't just go, like, ah, the gas crisis happened in the 70s, and then Jimmy Carter, and yada, yada, yada.

What are you going to do?

You know, it would have been nice if they gave you some context for all the things that were going on so you don't believe in bullshit when you grow up.

But I don't know if somebody being like, you know what else?

It's Carter's fault in the 70s.

We're fucked would have helped my education,

you know?

Well,

look, I went to Missouri public schools.

I don't know what they were like in Illinois.

They weren't that.

But is it worse?

That's a good question.

Wait, yes.

Yes.

No, no.

The school's better.

School's better.

School's better.

I take it back.

I got it backwards.

Okay.

So Alex goes on to just make up some fun stuff about this shooting.

Yeah, great.

We've got a major update

in the

Governor Tim Tampon Dispenser Walls situation

and the man they caught dressed up like a police officer with a stolen police car.

They said it's with one of their police cars.

They just killed a state senator and her husband and shot and almost killed a state rep and

other spouse.

We actually have a clip, I forgot to play,

of the senator

where she talks about, no, we're not going to vote for illegal aliens to get health care.

And she was leading the Democrat group that was against that.

And so was the other state rep that that was shot.

So very, very interesting now.

And

we'll go to that video here in a moment.

But first, Minnesota shooting suspect Carr had no king flyers and sickening manifesto with targets.

Police warrant the suspect of Minnesota shooting had a list of targets that include Representative Melissa Hortman and Senator John Hoffman, who both got shot.

Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed.

So you can see how Alex has crafted this narrative into being primarily about Tim Walls, not about the shooter or even the victims.

This is how he jumped back into the story by saying that they have an update on the Tim Walls situation.

The messaging is very clear here.

The goal is to pin this on Walls, which is exactly what the shooter ended up trying to do.

Beyond that, Alex is just making shit up and reaching bad conclusions here.

For one thing, the car that the shooter used wasn't a stolen police car.

Alex has just assumed that because the police said that the car looked a lot like a police car.

Second, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House, and the other target, John Hoffman, was in the state Senate, but Alex has them mixed up.

Hortman wasn't leading the Democratic group that was opposed to extending Minnesota care to undocumented immigrants.

She was the only member of her party who voted that way.

Alex is making up a story about them because it adds to the intrigue of the whole thing and because he's a monstrous liar.

Also, I think that long pause at the end of the clip was because Alex didn't know if he should read the part about the shooter's target list being a bunch of Democratic politicians politicians and abortion rights advocates.

I suspect he got to that line in the story and he couldn't tell in the moment if that helped or hurt the narrative, so his brain just paused.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Like,

would it make more sense for this guy to go and shoot people who support abortion?

False flagging.

That's what they would want to do.

But if my angle is that I'm trying to pin this on Tim Walls, then Tim Walls wouldn't want to false flag that.

Maybe he would.

Maybe he would.

This is why you pause.

But would he?

This is why your brain just says don't say anything for me.

It just doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

You know what it is?

It's too complicated.

You're just complicating things too much.

One ingredient in the soup, too many.

Yep, yep, yep.

So Alex gossips a little bit about how

this lady who got murdered, she was totally just about to leave the Democratic Party.

Sounds true.

And here she is, literally, just

last week,

and the word was she was about to leave the Democrat Party.

Well, now her spirit has left this plank.

Here it is.

I know that people will be hurt by that vote.

And I'm,

we worked very hard to try to get a budget deal

that wouldn't include that provision.

DFL Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman emotional following the House's adjournment from a special session Monday.

Hortman was the lone DFL lawmaker to cast a vote to cut Minnesota care access for undocumented immigrants.

It's a move she made with a heavy heart.

I did what leaders do.

I stepped up and I got the job done for the people of Minnesota.

The rest of this news report goes on to talk about how the GOP wouldn't budge on this provision, so nothing was going to happen unless somebody, one of the Democrats, voted for it or didn't vote.

This provision was necessary necessary for them.

And so when she's talking about that, she's very emotional about the fact that she made this vote that was against what she believed in.

She is not somebody who's like, oh, I think I'm going to leave the Democratic Party.

I'm leading this resistance to fuck over immigrants

or whatever.

And this is ghoul shit.

This, to me, is disgusting.

When Alex says word is she was going to leave the Democratic Party, now her spirit has left the earth or whatever.

He should apologize immediately after that clip ends.

That is so inappropriate.

Nope.

She died that morning.

Yep.

Fucked up.

Yep.

Fucked up.

Anyway.

Yeah.

Alex is going to talk about Iran and Israel.

Great.

Two things that he knows everything about.

Well, but he's not, actually.

He gets sidetracked.

Wise.

I want to get into the big developments in

the Iran-Israel escalation, where I see that going, what the different angles are of that

in just a moment.

Probably will.

And then I'm going to get into one of their favorite hoaxes they're pushing again that you see everywhere.

And that deals with claiming that polar bears can't swim.

Oh, boy.

What?

Yeah.

What?

Can polar bears swim?

No, you can't do that.

Meh.

I mean, I don't, I don't.

It's jarring, isn't it?

Yeah.

I,

if,

you forgot that feeling, didn't you?

If the FCC exists for any reason,

I like show tits.

Have fun.

Full bush.

I don't give a shit.

Get it out of there, but stop that from happening.

The whip laughs.

That was fucking horrifying.

It's unsafe at any speed.

That hurts.

This is where we need Ralph Nader to

come in and get seat belts.

Yeah, for good.

For this kind of content.

If we're going to do I know it when I see it bullshit, Supreme Court, fuck it, I know it when I see it.

And that needs to be stopped.

So we're going to talk about Ron Israel, but hey, what about these polar bears?

No.

Can they swim?

I'm going to recycle it.

This is

old climate change.

All of my political beliefs are now mallet-based.

I'm just going to write time periods.

1950s.

Mallet.

That's when you made the mistake.

Jimmy Carter.

We're fucking.

Boom.

Mallet.

Boom.

There it is.

So, Alex rants a little bit about the

various thoughts he has that shoot off of the polar bear swimming back.

Great.

Overall, aggregate sea level has stayed the same for 500 years, the watermark.

So, yeah, let's show you a few of these, okay?

We've got 200-year-old photos.

And what does does it show?

1878 to 2018.

Unprecedented sea level rise in Sydney Harbor over the last 240 years due to massive climate change.

And

it is exactly the same.

Hmm, interesting.

And we can show you hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of.

And we can show you Al Gore saying by 2013, it'll all be underwater.

By 2017, the ice caps will be gone.

This feels so stupid.

America is supposed to be in a civil war that kicked off all these no-kings protests that are happening while Alex is on air that he's supposed to be monitoring.

Multiple lawmakers in Minnesota were the targets of assassination the night before.

Israel and Iran are bombing each other.

And Alex is arguing with no one about climate change memes.

Who's he trying to convince?

Does anyone in his audience care about sea levels at this point?

Is there possibly a single Infowars listener who might be swayed by Al Gore?

This game is dead because there is no battle that Alex needs to be fighting here.

Trump is all about the big corporations and he doesn't give a shit about environmentalism.

So Alex doesn't need to be out here trying to run propaganda against regulation and climate considerations.

It's all done, buddy.

After the Supreme Court overturned Chevron, the EPA doesn't really have any authority.

It's all gone.

He's wasting his time.

This feels so dumb.

Yep.

I was thinking about throwing a water filled or a water balloon filled with pea at him.

And then I thought, I've never done that before.

And then I thought about it another step further.

Have you ever done that?

No comment.

That's a yes.

See, here's the thing.

I suddenly realized that I don't want to get involved in the logistics of moving urine into the actual water balloon.

Yeah.

Because I'm assuming...

So my first thought was like, well, without tools, this is clearly just going to be an avenue for me to pee on myself, obviously.

That is true.

So then you get a funnel, right?

You think funnels are the way to go, but you don't know if that's going to have enough water pressure to expand the balloon.

What if it just pops right out at you?

Yeah, it doesn't.

Look,

these are all questions that you come to ask yourself very quickly when you decide to.

When you decide

your first fist-filled balloon is a lot of trial and error.

I do think that I can say that that no one has ever got it right the first time.

That's definitely.

Look, it's

what about a piss-filled mallet?

It was just a lot of fun because while that clip was going on, the tail end of it had me with a bunch of different images of me in a cartoon scenario where I'm peeing all over myself.

So that was nice.

That was a nice little...

You'll get back at Alex by peeing on yourself.

Yeah, I'll just have piss-covered hands as I've got a little balloon wrapped around my penis.

Yeah, that works.

So I think, I feel like there's some real, real, real, real, real serious stuff afoot.

Yeah.

The military has arrested somebody.

Yep.

Senators are getting handcuffed for asking questions aggressively.

Political assassinations.

Political assassinations.

And I felt so weird with Alex just going into polar bears.

Like, it felt like

denial.

It felt, it felt more like denial than anything else.

Yeah.

Like, this is everything's too much.

I'm going to retreat to back when I could yell about Elgor and climate credits.

Absolutely.

It really felt pathetic.

I felt like it was...

It is the InfoWars version of an Adam's Family Values

when they're at summer camp and they send them to the small house where all the Disney films are.

Like it was very much like, you know what?

I'm going to return to a safer, more idyllic place, and I'm just going to watch Disney films.

Oh, polar bears can't swim.

I bet they can.

Yeah.

And I just, I don't know.

It put a bad taste in my mouth.

Not good.

Not good.

So we'll see what happens over the intervening days.

Probably not much.

Probably not much.

Eventually, it is obviously going to come out that this guy was an Infowars listener.

Are we in the future?

What?

We are in the future, right?

Do you mean right now?

We have not been civil war as of yet.

What if?

I mean,

are there branching paths?

Ooh, man, you just got multiversed.

Did our vacation cause a split in the path?

Are we the reason that we either are in a civil war or are not in a civil war, depending on which pathway we are in?

I think

on a pretty official sense, we're not in a civil war right now.

But yes, we are in Alex's show.

Okay, then let me ask you a question.

Because

he's not declared an end of hostilities.

That's fair.

So we are in the Civil War until he officially until we go to Appomattox.

Yeah.

It's still going on.

Someone's got to sign something.

Someone's got to sign something.

Gotcha.

All right.

Yeah.

Well, that makes sense.

It's going to be a long Civil War.

Anyway,

we'll be back.

But until then, we have websites.

DVDZellergefight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

Neo DZX Clark.

I am the serious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.