#1053: June 15, 2025

Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Stop it.

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It's time to pray.

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Thanks for holding us.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a fish in color.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your room.

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I love you.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes.

Like, sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jersey.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

Which bright spot today, buddy?

Okay, I got a bright spot and I got a dark spot.

And I'm going to leave it up to you what you want to hear first.

Okay.

Ooh, I mean, close on a bright spot.

Let's start with the dark spot.

Okay, I got popped by the recycling police.

Is that possible?

So in my building, in the recycling, you're supposed to break down the boxes

when you put them into the recycling.

Of course.

A lot of people do not do this.

Sure.

It's just kind of like a thing where sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.

It is what it is.

Right?

Yeah.

I was taking down a big box of recycling.

Yeah.

And so I had a bunch of stuff in a box.

Right.

And everything inside the box was broken down.

Broken down.

But the box that was containing the broken down things were not.

How do you want me to bring it if not within a container?

I can't break down the container that holds the broken down things.

I guess I could have once I dumped it into the recycling or something, but I didn't do that.

Bananas, get out of here.

It was something that had my address on it.

So I get an email that I'm getting a fine for this.

I got fined.

Motherfuckers are doing

snitches like that.

What is happening?

It's crazy.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, so that's the downside.

I mean, I guess, you know,

I only put half effort into breaking down the boxes and it was.

Unacceptable.

I refuse to believe this.

This is bullshit.

No individual action you can take could have a measurable impact on the climate crisis ever, let alone rip cutting down a box.

How dare they find you?

Well, I think it's more about like just considerateness and like because if you don't break down boxes, it fills up more space in there.

You know, like it's less about the actual environment and more respect.

Yeah, and so when I got that email, I was like, fine.

But I also was furious.

Of course.

I've seen so many boxes that weren't broken down.

This is selective enforcement.

I'm going to take it it all the way to the I agree with you.

I agree with you.

But at the same time, you can't enforce anything if it doesn't have teeth.

It's problems.

And you'd rather have fine than like they knock on your door and drag you out one night.

Yeah, I guess.

I guess.

Anyway, that's annoying that there's recycling snitches.

All right.

What's your bright spot?

Okay, so I was at the grocery store that shan't be named.

Right.

And I was wearing my pinky ring.

Okay.

Incidental to this story.

But just in the background.

Yes.

Yeah.

So I went through the checkout line.

And the guy who was ringing me up forgot to to ring up the last item.

All right.

So I pay, and I was like, oh, that's also mine.

No.

And he's like, it's on the house.

Nice.

Nicely done.

Puts it into my basket.

Hell yeah.

Now, here's what this revealed to me.

Okay.

That's possible.

Yeah.

That's crazy.

How did you not realize that was possible?

Because it's a supermarket.

Right.

It seemed like the person who's checking you out doesn't have the authority to be like,

that's on the house.

You totally do.

Everything's free.

Yeah.

It turns out.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

If somebody can just do that, I forgot to ring this through, just go ahead and take it.

Yeah.

That means that everything is open for that kind of treatment.

Yeah.

And they should be giving away all that food.

Oh, man.

You better believe it.

I mean, hey, listen, I just not to reveal my business at all, but if I'm grocery shopping and I'm always going through the checkout and I'm not always paying for everything.

Talk about like the self-checkout.

I would say that I am always not paying for everything.

You call it ringing up everything as bananas.

I'm ringing everything up, or at least.

Shout out to David Drake.

It looks like it.

It looks like I've wrung things up.

Oh, man, so many bananas.

Yeah.

So anyway, I got a free item.

What's your bright spot?

My bright spot is got some new tattoo action up here.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got a

nice little piece on the top of my back.

Right around.

I was just trying to show you, to hear my voice, that was what it sounds like if I'm digging into my chest with my

shoulder blades.

It's a great one.

No, it's the first simulated image of a black hole in dot form.

And it was really great.

Okay.

I could only see the top of it, but it looks really neat.

Yeah.

But because it was dot, it was a dot format.

It was really one of the more enjoyable tattoo experiences that I've ever had.

I feel like it was similar to acupuncture.

What's the difference?

Because some people may not.

By some people, I mean me.

I don't know the difference.

Oh, no.

Well, like with your tattoo, you know, there's that filling in thing, and so you'll have the giant fill-in needle that it'll go

like that.

Whereas this one is every single thing is a dot.

So it's just a constant poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, like that.

Like a sewing wheel.

It's like a Monet.

It is a little bit like a Monet, but I think you're thinking of George Surat, actually.

Probably.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know my artist.

So it is just like point, point, point, point, point, point, point.

Yep.

So it was uh it was surprising.

Yeah.

It's weird how much of the

the paint is like, oh, that's a scratch.

Whereas just the poking is like, oh, this is kind of nice.

That's strange to me because I was under the impression that all the tattoos were just a lot of points, but like really fast.

Bro, yes.

Yeah, I mean, yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean

you're talking about your tattoo is a little slower.

It's a little bit of, it was a slower tattoo.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

You got a slow-cooked tattoo.

Yes, exactly.

Oh, that's fun.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm happy for you.

And I am still intending to go get my next one.

I meant to do it while I was in Columbia.

Yeah, that would have been.

I didn't have time, and I wasn't sure if the tattoo shop that everyone used to go to back then, I don't know if they take walk-ins.

Yeah.

So

I didn't want to risk it, and I was too busy.

But

it's close.

Close.

Would have been nice.

Yep.

Yep.

So, something that's not nice, Jordan, is our episode that we have to do today.

Oh, fair enough.

We got it in front of us, so we're going to do it.

Okay.

We're going to be talking about the 15th of June, 2025.

All right.

America's in a civil war.

Alex has killed Gene Hackman.

Yep.

The Minnesota lawmakers have been assassinated.

And

Nelly.

Yeah.

A lot of stuff's going on.

Who won the Super Bowl this year?

Was it just Kendrick?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

I'll tell you who lost.

Drake.

Drake.

Yeah.

But we will get down to business on what Alex is up to on this show.

But first, let's say hello to some new walks.

Ooh, that's a great idea.

So, first, Lucretia wants to shout out Dr.

Paris because she's amazing and awesome, and we bonded over KF, and I know she would get a kick out of it.

Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Walk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next,

it's the eye of the geyser.

He's a shill for the right.

Sucking up to a red-faced racist la here.

Thank you so much, Joe.

Palsy Walk.

I'm a policy won.

Thank you very much.

And well done.

I could tell.

I don't know how I could tell immediately that was the.

You felt it in your heart.

And Alex Jones's pauses are so pregnant, Chase will insist he carry them to term.

Thank you so much, you're an awful policy walk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next.

We had Technocrat in the next room.

So thank you so much to Dane, pronounced like a large dog or failed comedian.

Would like Zach, redacted last name to protect the innocent, to reach out so we can talk about the up-to-this-date completion of the Knowledge Fight Compendium.

Thank you so much, you are now a technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark, bomb, bomb, bump, bump, bump.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

Yes, thank you very much.

But also, I would say that Dane Cook is not a failed comedian.

I think he has a troubled legacy.

Sure.

And I think that maybe he's not someone who we're going to look at as a Carlin or a pryer.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

But I think he was wildly successful.

I am a failed comedian.

I am beyond a failed comedian.

I think Dane Cook did all right for himself.

Yeah, he got the super finger.

He was in a bunch of movies, right?

He was.

For a howl.

Mr.

Deeds.

He doesn't.

Not Mr.

Deeds, Mr.

Brooks.

Yeah.

It can't be, listen, it can't be more of a success than to be Dane Cook and then wind up in movies.

Yeah.

That's successful.

He was in that one movie where everyone showed each other their balls.

He was in that one by Ryan Reynolds.

Where he was in a store.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Might have been the same one.

Might have been the same one.

Waiting.

No, he was in waiting.

Oh, you're right.

He was in waiting.

Yeah, he was the Seth Rogan role.

The Seth Rogan and 40-year-old virgin role in waiting.

Yeah.

That wasn't bad.

It was terrible.

Yeah, fair enough.

So, the Minnesota shooting has happened, as we discussed on the last episode.

And Alex has made his attempts to pin this on Tim Walls

and create a wonderful conspiracy out of it.

And he starts this episode off on the 15th thinking, something stinks here.

Something's not right.

Something's rotten in Denmark.

We have the Minnesota Tim Walls appointee and No King's organizer, who they say is the suspect.

The police say they saw

run out of the house.

and shoot at police and they go in and there's the dead state senator her husband and he critically wounded and the state rep and the spouse.

And then they caught the wife and a bunch of other people with guns and passports fleeing,

but detained her, but then didn't arrest her.

And then he runs a security intelligence company.

He's wearing a plastic mask.

If you can believe it's him, this thing smells

of some type of

sophisticated operation.

I don't know exactly what's going on, but the first thing I did yesterday morning when the news broke is I said, let me see who these two Democrat lawmakers are that got shot.

Both of them were bucking the party.

Both of them were voting against illegal aliens getting health care and other goodies.

We're being demonized and were scared.

And

what did they know?

What were they about to release on Tim Walls?

Oh, man.

So this is a good illustration of Alex using one of his standard little tricks.

He technically said that he doesn't know what's going on with the case of this shooting, so whatever shit he talks isn't something you can really hold him responsible for.

He's making very clear insinuations, and the storyline he wants the audience to follow is not ambiguous, but all he wants to own up to is saying that this situation is suspicious, that it smells.

But that's not the point he's making.

The point he's making is that these two Minnesota lawmakers were unique in the fact that they were fighting against the Democratic Party line, particularly in terms of undocumented immigrants having access to Minnesota care benefits.

They were scared, and the alleged shooter has deep connections to Tim Walls.

The story is very clear that Tim Walls sent the guy to kill him, uh, them, for their refusal to join the team on these votes.

But Alex doesn't want to just come out and say that, probably because he knows how stupid it sounds when you spell it out in plain language.

This does sound dumb.

When you keep things in the territory of suggestion and heavy insinuation, it's possible to lead people to conclusions that they would reject if you were more blunt about what you're saying.

Yeah.

And

that's what Alex is doing.

It's the just asking questions method.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, it brings up to mind

people in general, I think a lot of people are surprised by people's actions, but I think in general, people do things because they work.

And they only know that they work because they've done them in the past, you know?

So I would say that it would be surprising for Governor Tim Wells to intentionally assassinate lawmakers without also having a trail of intentional assassinations behind him, you know?

Wow.

Like, it's not unusual to just have the first assassination be.

Pretty big.

Yeah, I mean, it'd be a big one for your first.

Yeah.

That's all I'm saying.

Well, I mean, you know, I think that a lot of people in Alex's world have ideas about the Clinton body count

stuff.

So I think they could find random people who have met Tim Walz who are now dead that they could say he killed.

Fair enough.

We could do this.

You wanna?

Man,

I don't wanna do it.

But what if, dude, it wasn't just Tim Walls?

Like, I understand what you're saying.

This would be big for his first go at it.

Are you saying that this goes all the way to the top?

Yes.

Oh, shit.

Of China.

What did they know?

What were they about to release on Tim Walls,

who is a ChiCom agent?

Sure.

How do we know that wasn't a CCP operative with a rubber mask on?

Which they did, admittedly, a rubber mask.

Footage at the front door of the senator that got killed.

And how do we, and now

they heard gunshots today, his car, the stolen police car, was found by some woods.

I'm sure they'll find his dead body

soon.

So Alex is deep in insinuating that Tim Walls was behind the shooting.

And now I guess the idea is that the shooter might have been an agent of the Chinese government who's killing these people to stop them from releasing some information about Walls being employed by China.

That's really dumb.

And if it's true, then the Chinese government assassins are fucking sloppy.

One of the targets and his wife survived.

So whatever intel they were going to be killed to keep secret isn't going to stay secret now.

So mission not accomplished.

I like this kind of game, though, because Alex is operating off zero information and just throwing out fun what-if scenarios.

Like he's Uatu the Watcher.

Yeah.

Just like, I don't know, what if this guy under the mask was a Chinese government spy agent guy?

Let's make it a Christmas episode.

I think this happened because of the Lord our Jesus Christ's birth.

Why not?

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Whenever your standard of suggesting something is, how do we know this isn't true?

Yeah.

I think you're on shaky ground.

You know, it's easy for us to walk over because we are who we are and we live where we live in this present day.

But it cannot be understated how insane it is, right?

That a guy who was materially, partially at the very least, responsible for these murders, who shouldn't have been on the air anyways, who could have very easily been off the air for a long time prior to this,

who is being given a platform by any number of people currently.

Like, all of this could have been stopped.

No, I disagree.

I think Alex's engagement in it probably could have been stopped.

Sure.

But I don't think that...

Like, I think that if...

I don't know about

the whole...

Yeah.

The whole everything could have been stopped.

There is definite disruptions that could have been made in this information economy.

Yeah.

And things like that.

But if Alex had suffered the consequences that he should have, let's say from the Sandy Hook trial.

Sure.

And he was no longer able to produce his show.

Sure.

Or maybe was in jail or something.

Whatever you like.

All of this stuff that the shooter was ingesting, he would have found somewhere else.

For sure.

Like, he would have found it on Twitter, just like Alex finds all of his content on Twitter.

No, I understand that aspect.

I just wanted to make clear that I...

No, no, no, I'm with you.

I meant less like all of this could have been stopped and more Alex's participation in this it could have been stopped, and yet we are listening to him run interference for the thing that could have been stopped.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, like that is happening.

And I think that a larger understanding of how this misinformation economy and ecosystem works, I think if people more broadly and largely understood it, then it could help limit the number of people who are like this shooter who go down this path

because of the information exploitation that people like Alex carry out.

You would think.

You'd hope.

But we're not there.

Nope.

Now listen.

Alex.

Oh.

Okay.

Well, I'm not going to listen.

No, no, no.

I'm out.

Okay.

Alex is saying that maybe it's a Chinese agent who put on a rubber mask and we've all just got a Patsy going.

Could have been.

Would you describe that as a conspiracy theory?

I think it would have to be a conspiracy by definition.

But is that a conspiracy theory that Alex is pitching?

Well, I mean, it's a theory about a conspiracy, so it is demonstrably a conspiracy theory.

So you're saying yes?

Yes.

Well, you're wrong.

Oh, fair enough.

Because Alex is not a conspiracy guy.

Fair enough.

So, how do we know a Chikom or some other assassin

didn't put a rubber mask on to kill these people, and they've already got

the Patsy

Vance Bolter

dead.

And again, I'm not the conspiracy theory guy.

99% of what I cover is what's going on, analysis, inside information, sources.

But when it comes to something like this, it does not add up.

Information, sources, dreams, weird feelings.

This raises a very important linguistic question.

Yeah.

All right.

Now,

in this particular situation, is it possible for this to not have been a conspiracy?

Because she has unilateral authority.

Is it possible for him to have just ordered the death of these people and no one else have any input whatsoever on it?

Would that not be a conspiracy?

Unless she was in the mask, then there's probably people who are conspiring.

That's what I'm saying, right?

Yeah.

It would have to be a straight line of nobody questioning anything.

Because the moment somebody is like, well, what if we, then it's a conspiracy?

Right.

Yeah.

If other people take actions in furtherance of the plot, then we have a conspiracy on our hands.

It has to be.

Right.

Now, that's a linguistic concern, but colloquially, when we talk about conspiracy theories, we talk about exactly what Alex does all the fucking time.

Yes, that is what we are doing there.

He seems to be a little defensive about it.

It doesn't feel like he was being nitpicky about language.

No, I think he's just like, don't make me,

don't make me feel stupid.

To be blunt, this is really dumb, but I think that it reveals an interesting little reality that Alex doesn't want to be seen as the conspiracy guy, even when he's engaging in embarrassing levels of conspiracy theories.

He wishes he was someone who people took seriously, but unfortunately, the only people who could ever take him seriously aren't serious people.

And it's ironic that one of the wonks referenced Dane Cook because it's a vicious cycle.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Alex wants to be respected, and the only way he knows how is to pretend to be something that stupid people respect.

Yeah.

I mean, it is, it is, it is a strange kind of torture to create the box that you try and escape from

and then keep yourself in it.

But wild.

But ironically,

inside the box, you're safe.

Inside the box, you're fed.

Inside the box, you're happy.

You're exactly where you're supposed to be, Alex.

But you just want to be out of that fucking box.

Those

are all things that society tells you you want.

But what you really want, man, is for the truth to be out there.

Or, you know, to be the most popular thing on the planet.

Cool.

So, the

not a conspiracy.

Oh, okay.

Alex isn't a conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy.

Now, in theory,

if the Chinese government knew that these two lawmakers had dirt on Walls,

and so Walls was involved with getting this guy that he put on a board in order to kill them or maybe just use him as a patsy.

This is elaborate.

And I honestly think that you would have to suspect that the local police would be in on it.

They would have to be.

Right?

Yeah.

Well, Alex wants you to know he's not saying that.

No, okay.

And I'm not saying the local police department's in on it.

But they, within an hour of the shootout with the guy in the rubber mask,

who they caught in the act.

And they went in and

one of the victims, one was dead, one died as the ambulance got there.

I'm sure they have intel, they haven't released it yet, how they believe it's this guy who's on the run, and he's supposedly sending text messages to his friends and family

that he did something like this.

And then we see videos by the groups reading the text and all of it.

And the wife caught fleeing

with passports and guns with other people.

And there she is on screen.

This,

This.

There's the state senator on screen.

This does not smell good.

So I think Alex has to be suggesting that the local police are in on this plot.

I don't think there's any way this works otherwise.

So they'd identified Vance Bolter as a suspect pretty quickly because of two things.

One, his roommate called the police after he got some texts that were a thinly veiled confession that he'd committed some serious crimes.

Two, Bolter abandoned an SUV at the scene of the Hortman's home where the police had intercepted him and he managed to escape on foot.

The plotting and carrying out of this attack was fairly intricate, but it wasn't really a whodunit after it was done and had been interrupted.

The clues were all there.

Pretty obvious.

Alex wants to make it suspicious that there was a suspect fairly quickly, but it doesn't really seem weird at all.

There were strong leads, and a person who just killed two people and attempted to kill two others at two separate locations was presumably armed and on the loose.

The police would get that information to the public fast because it's a matter of public safety that you find this person before he kills

another people.

There's no reason not to kill him.

He very clearly, in the SUV that he abandoned, there's indications of intent to kill more.

Yep.

So Bolter's wife was pulled over and stopped by the police.

She was briefly questioned and consented to a search of her vehicle.

She was driving with her four kids, their passports, $10,000 in cash, and two guns.

Alex said that she was, quote, fleeing with other people, but seems uninterested in the fact that they were her kids.

Yeah, that is, that is, that does change things a little bit as far as calculus.

Yeah.

And in your point of view on that, I think he's using language to make that a little bit shadier than it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the reason that she was in this situation is likely that she'd received a text from her husband saying, quote, words are not going to explain how sorry I am for this.

situation.

There's going to be some people coming to the house armed and trigger happy, and I don't want you guys around.

The couple were preppers, and they had a bug out plan, so it seems like she might have been following that plan when her path intersected with the police.

As it stands now, there's no indication that the wife was involved with the murders, and all of these things that Alex is pointing out as suspicious, they're only suspicious if you want them to be.

If you want to create suspicion around

not...

not looking at information, not looking at details.

This, you know, there are a lot of things we can take away from this, but I think the the big thing for me is that

bug out bags aren't as useful as I thought they were going to be.

I thought bug out bags were going to be more important, but it feels like if you can be, if you can be intercepted that quickly, bug out bags aren't as big a deal.

But I'm not sure, I'm not sure.

Like, I see conflicting information a little bit about how much she was willing to be intercepted.

Oh.

She has said that the police contacted her and she pulled over

in order to meet with them.

Oh, so she was like on the phone with them.

Maybe.

Or whatever.

Yeah.

She has said something like that.

The police in their affidavit

said they located her and pulled her over.

So you think her heart wasn't in the bug out?

Probably not.

Okay.

No.

And especially if you're in the car with your kids.

I mean, what are you doing with kids and a bug out?

But here's the thing.

You need a sensible bug out.

Sure, sure.

I mean, yeah, but we're not talking about it.

It's not like a first aid kid.

We're not talking about sensible here.

We're well past that.

Yeah.

Well, I think the indications that I would take away from this, or the little bits of

sort of context seem to be that he

was looking for a shooting war.

Yep.

And maybe she was less committed to the violent going out in a blaze of glory kind of thing.

So I don't know.

Because she did have two guns, which Alex shouldn't have a problem with.

Sure.

But those could be for when you get to the homestead or whatever.

Four kids is so many kids to have.

Two more than two?

And also want to have a lot of guns to fight the government with.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Those things go hand in hand a little bit, though.

So anyway, this story stinks.

I mean, it really does.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And again, I don't know what's going on.

I just know what we're being told doesn't add up.

And everybody's pointing that out.

How do they know a guy in a stolen police car,

they said it looked like their police car, their police car.

They've not been clear yet.

But indistinguishable from their police car, who's the head of an intelligence company,

intelligence security company, who's got all these big appointments in the state government

and a no-Kings organizer.

How does he,

how do they know it's him?

And then I said yesterday, oh, are they going to find his dead body somewhere?

And then, oh, there's a manhunt.

Oh, and he had a manifesto of 70 names he wanted to kill.

kill.

MAGA Maniac.

Click that.

Let's see what the Democratic Party Drudge is saying.

Click that.

Drudge is the Democratic Party.

Drudge the Democratic Party.

What are they saying?

So all of the details that Alex is adding to this story to make the official version not make sense are things that he's wrong about or intentionally misrepresenting.

The police never said that the shooter's car was a stolen police vehicle.

They said it was made to look like a real police vehicle by the addition of lights and stuff like that.

Alex has just decided that maybe it was a stolen cop car because that makes things look more suspicious.

Bolter doesn't have an intelligence and security company.

He'd worked a bit in food service and traveled to the Democratic Republic of the Congo as a missionary, but he had a fantasy of running a security company.

He founded a company called Praetorian Guard Security Services, which failed to attract customers.

Alex is embellishing the status of that company in order to make it look like this guy had connections to the FBI, the CIA, the intelligence community.

Bolter didn't have, quote, all these big appointments in the state government.

He was appointed to the Governor's Workforce Development Board in 2016, an unpaid position that has approximately 60 members.

It's a single low-level position he held, which Alex is

exaggerating out into a series of high-level posts because that makes this picture more suspicious.

Bolter wasn't a no-kings organizer.

He had a bunch of no-kings flyers in his car, but that doesn't really prove anything.

They could have been there because he came across them at a shop and he took them to try and limit the amount of other people who could take these flyers and, you know, in the process limit the promotional spread.

There's a number of possible explanations for why those flyers were in his car, but Alex has decided that he was a no-kings protest organizer because that's the option that makes it look the most suspicious.

This is a typical strategy that Alex employs when the reality of a story is threatening to him.

He just creates a fake story and then points out all the weird anomalies that don't make sense in his fake story.

If you go through his career, you see this behavior again and again, generally when he's worried about the real version of a story.

In this case, he's probably worried that it's going to come out that the shooter was a fan of his and that people are going to start asking questions about how Alex had openly declared a civil war had started on his show and how he said the next wave of the Patriot movement launched with the no-kings protest.

All of it doesn't look good.

Yeah.

But in other cases, like with the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex knew that if people took that event seriously, we would need to re-examine gun laws, and that was deeply threatening to him.

In cases like these, Alex cannot deal with reality, so he creates a second reality to engage with to make sure that people are too busy with his fake bullshit to ever deal with the real issue at hand, and the way he does that is by just asking questions.

This story stinks.

I don't know what's going on, but it's fishy.

The official story that we're being told doesn't make sense, and the official story is a fake version of an official story that he's selling to his audience, Specifically, so it won't make sense.

Yep.

He's a real piece of shit.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

It's...

Hmm.

How would I describe it?

Like,

it's why we have judges in sports, like a line judge in tennis.

Because sometimes maybe the guy's fucking not telling the truth.

And then you have a person who just goes, no.

You're done.

You know?

Move on.

Move on.

You're done.

We move on.

It's very hard to make this make sense in real life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is, he should have struck out a long time ago.

A long time ago.

And people just keep going.

Yeah.

I don't know tennis terms, but

he should have been thrown out of the game.

Yep.

Brummer.

So he's got some of his old employees who are still around, people like John Bown.

And he plays a little report that John Bown has made about the shooting.

And I will say that a lot of it is just John Bown rehashing things that Alex has said.

We're going to be looking at all of this.

John Bown's filed a report on it.

Minnesota shooting reveals Democrat domestic terror.

Here it is.

The quiet suburbs of Minneapolis were shattered early this morning by a cold, calculated act of political terror.

State Representative Melissa Hortman, a Democratic powerhouse and former House Speaker, along with her husband Mark, were gunned down in their Brooklyn Park home by a suspect posing as a police officer.

In a related attack, State Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette were shot multiple times, both now clinging to life after surgery.

As the lone Democrat in the House to join Republicans, Hortman supported SSHF1, a bill stripping undocumented adults from eligibility for Minnesota care, the state's low-income health insurance program.

This 68 to 65 vote, with Hortman as the decisive crossover, marked a stunning departure from her party's progressive rhetoric.

The Democrats decried Hortman's vote as cruel and immoral, with Representative Maria Issa Perez Vega chanting, this ain't one Minnesota in protest.

Days before her murder, Hortman, physically shaking, defended her vote as a necessary compromise to secure a state budget in a tied 67-67 House.

I know that people will be hurt by that vote.

And I'm, uh,

we worked very hard to try to get a budget deal

that wouldn't include that provision.

Yet, this single act of pragmatism may have sealed her fate as whispers of retribution swirl in the wake of her assassination.

This is absolute shit.

What did John say the vote was on this bill?

It was 68 to 65, right?

So if Hortman had abstained from voting, it would have been 67 to 65.

Or if she'd voted against it, it would have been 67 to 66.

It seems like whatever she did, the bill would have passed, and that her vote was more of a symbolic act meant to ensure cooperation from the Republicans on other parts of the state budget.

Because where he cuts off her

that thing from the news report, saying that we wanted to find a way to do this without this yeah in the budget, but the GOP will not.

They made it clear they weren't going to give an inch and that they were willing to shut down the government if they didn't get their way.

The Minnesota House is a complete mess, even before the shooting.

In the 2024 election, the House ended up being a 67-67 split between the GOP and the DFL or the Democratic Farmer Labor Party.

The GOP challenged the winner of the District 40B race, Curtis Johnson, and they were successful in stopping him from being seated by arguments that he didn't live in his district.

A special election was scheduled, but for the time being, the GOP had a majority of 67 to 66, with the 40B seat being vacant.

It was very clear that the DFL would win that seat and it would end up in a tie, but while they had a temporary advantage, the GOP tried to push through all of their agenda.

In response, the DFL members boycotted the House, refusing to show up so the GOP wouldn't have the required number of representatives present to make a quorum.

In February of this year, the two parties reached a power-sharing agreement, which sort of resolved things, but also clearly didn't.

Melissa Hortman was part of that negotiation for the power-sharing agreement since she was the former Speaker of the Minnesota House and the leader of the DFL party.

When they came to this compromise, she was part of the negotiations to form a state budget, part of which was this unshakable GOP position that undocumented adults were to be stripped of eligibility for Minnesota care.

I'm not defending her choice in making that compromise, but I'm I'm trying to illustrate that her vote is not as suspicious as Alex and John Bound want to make it out to be.

The entire narrative of this vote being part of the motivation for the shooting falls apart when you add in the other victim, Senator John Hoffman.

He voted against the bill, which wasn't as close in the Senate and had 15 Democratic votes in favor of it.

So if there was a means of like killing these people to punish them for going against the Democrats, there's 15 senators in the Minnesota Senate that should have been targets before Hoffman.

John Bound says that Hortman's pragmatic vote may have sealed her fate and that whispers of retribution are in the air, but he's the one who's doing the whispering.

They're creating this, like, oh, streets are talking.

Yep.

And then pretending that they're just neutral observers covering this story.

It's horseshit.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I wouldn't be John Bown near me.

Like listening to that,

I threw my hockey gloves to the ground.

That shit was done.

Yeah.

Time to have a hockey fight.

I don't know how else to describe what just happened there.

Wow.

I'm the sensible information person here.

He's down.

Let's go.

Now, you know what you're doing here, Dick.

You know exactly what you're doing.

You are doing it on purpose.

I know it.

Now it's got to be resolved one way or the other.

Yeah.

Yep.

So Alex

continues playing this John Bound report.

And I honestly think that it's just repackaging Alex's stuff.

What Alex wanted to do.

A different person's voice.

Yeah.

No official motive has been confirmed, but the no kings flyers found in Bolter's vehicle tie him directly to the raucous anti-Trump rallies planned across Minnesota and the rest of the country.

We don't have any raucous

there were some flyers that said no kings.

And the plot thickens as Bolter has been identified as a 2019 appointee to the Governor's Workforce Development Board by Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz.

And as Trump's military parade marking the U.S.

Army's 250th anniversary begins to roll out, the left's refusal to cancel these rallies reeks of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

Preaching peace while aggressively rallying against kings exposes the fractured ideology that Hortman's vote and her death have laid bare.

There's

a shocking and disgusting irony to that.

The dissonance of the left doing protests.

The dissonance of this, this kind of packaging, this kind of reporting,

as a means of running cover for a political assassin,

is

dark.

You know,

I'm trying to invert invert things, right?

Like, I'm not screaming at you because we're in this room together, right?

And that makes me want to scream very, very loudly

for a long period of time.

I know, and I can feel it.

And I'm not doing it to you because doing it to you wouldn't help.

And yet, you do that a lot.

Well, listen, I didn't say I was succeeding.

Right.

I said I was trying.

Sure.

Because, man, that boy, you

it's gaslighting you.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

Oh man.

It's unfair.

No kings.

How dare you.

Oh buddy.

If there's one thing that the United States is supposed to be like one thing that's above the whole like, oh, I'm on the left or I'm on the right or anything like that, it's no kings.

No kings.

The whole thing is about how there's no kings.

Right.

But the fact that it's called that means that it's not really about that because it's Zoros and all that shit.

So, bad.

That's fine.

Yep.

Also, okay, fine.

Then here's what I'll pull back.

I can't do anything about that.

What I do think that we can do is make,

put words behind an achievement wall.

You know how when you're playing a video game,

you can unlock characters if you do a well-enough job at this thing or complete this challenge.

I've played a little vampire survivors, I'm aware of this dynamic.

This is good.

We need to put words behind these kinds of challenges.

He should not be allowed to use the word raucous.

He shouldn't.

You know what?

He shouldn't be allowed.

I don't know about not allowing people, but what you're describing is essentially education.

You should learn about things before you discuss them.

Yes, I am.

I am describing education.

It seems important to realize that I'm describing that because it did not seem to take with Mound.

Certainly not.

So education is about learning things.

And

one of the arguments that I think has been central to our show is that Alex does not learn lessons.

That's true.

He will not learn.

He is incapable of engaging with people trying to, in good faith or even in dicey faith, trying to explain to him why the things that he does are wrong and they hurt people.

No matter how many times you read it in a newspaper, Alex did not change his mind.

No.

Yeah.

And I think that as I was listening to the unfolding of his coverage around this, I felt like there's a lot of fucking Sandy Hook parallel.

Yeah.

Oh, there's a lot of the, like, the official story stinks.

Yep.

I just don't know.

I'm asking questions.

There's anomalies.

That kind of feeling it.

Yeah.

And this next clip made me disgusted.

Now, yesterday, I saw the roommate of the supposed shooter, who we're all being told did it, Vance

Bolter.

And now there's a manhunt and people heard gunshots in the woods and his vehicle's been found.

I think we'll find his dead body.

And somebody shows up in a mask, a rubber mask, but you're told it's him.

Then I saw the video of his obese roommate reading his text message to the news yesterday, and it came off as very theater

kid.

And he's crying, saying, I can't tell you and implicate you, but I'm probably never going to come back.

I'm probably about to die.

He does all this fake crying.

And I thought, man, that's really suspicious.

But I didn't really say anything yesterday about it.

I just, I'm going to put that in my data bank.

Now he's told the news

that his roommate,

Vance Bolter, who we're told did this,

but some guy in a rubber mask and a police car was there doing it, had a shootout with police and escaped,

that he is a huge Trump supporter.

Yeah, and there he is.

We'll play that next.

But first, I want to play the corporate media out in in front of his house.

And, oh, he says

that this appointee by Walls with all the No Kings flyers in the car that the police found, the police car,

he's a Trump supporter.

And he had 70 targets.

So were they planning to hit more people, whoever this group is, and then blame Trump?

Blame us.

What did I say is coming?

The false flag.

This is the exact same behavior that Alex engaged in with Sandy Hook.

The parallels are pretty direct, which is why part of holding Alex accountable for what he did in that case involves not letting him be a public figure that can be taken seriously again.

He will just do this over and over because he doesn't care about the people that he might hurt in the process.

Someone connected to this shooting said something that's inconvenient for him politically, so Alex has just decided to heavily suggest that he's an actor and he must be in on the whole thing, planted there to say that the Patsy was a Trump supporter.

That's really all Alex is responding to.

There's nothing bigger behind this than the fact that the roommate said that the shooter was a Trump supporter, and that's threatening to Alex.

So Alex has to invalidate it.

That's it.

If he'd said that the shooter was a big Harris fan, do you think that he would come off as such a theater kid to Alex, or would it conveniently his vibes be a little bit different?

Crazy.

Alex cannot control himself because there's no reason to.

There are some strong indications that the shooter in this case was a fan of his content, which carries zero consequences in reality.

In order to deflect any potential association between the shooter and Trump, Alex is engaging in the same behaviors that led to his Sandy Hook lawsuit because he hasn't really faced that many consequences there.

He's still super rich, and the vilification that came from that suit has made people like Tucker Carlson think that he's some kind of countercultural figure that they should prop up.

You know, he's learned, in essence,

nothing wrong with doing this.

Yep, I'm going to do this.

Who cares?

I'm going to do the same thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean,

it is one of those things where, to me, looking at the present, it feels like what we're living in is not the consequences of malicious behavior so much as the consequences of not punishing failure.

If you fail the way that the legal system has failed, the consequences are not on the legal system.

They're on us.

The consequences are then fed directly to us.

And all of the people who have failed get to go on about their day as though, hey, listen, win or lose, it's just a thing.

Right.

And it can't be like that.

Like, it can't be like...

Well, it's the same thing with failing to regulate pollution makes us all pay for it.

Yep.

You know, instead of making the companies that are polluting pay for it.

But then...

Not holding Alex responsible in a way that addresses the issue within the legal system makes all but certain other people are going to be subject to the same things.

He's going to, when convenient, when profitable, when easy,

he's going to do the same things in the same way that, if allowed, companies are going to pollute.

And we all are going to bear the social burden of that.

Yep.

The sales pitch on that system is that

the consequences can be less corrupt and can be safer and can be all of those things.

But if you fail, then what?

You know, there's no recourse and there's no acceptance of responsibility.

There's no like, hey, we failed you, America, the world.

I'm not sure what the answer is either.

Like,

I don't think that vigilanteism or trying to hurt Alex is

an answer or a legitimate way of enforcing those consequences.

I don't know what it is.

I think

the answer might be he's going to have to get sued again.

Like, I don't know if this dude wants to sue him, but there's certainly a path

for this dude to sue him.

Good luck.

You know, at what point does

you know you start to get into criminal consequences?

For like the civil courts very clearly seem to have not provided the consequences that Alex would respond to, but maybe some sort of criminal court would.

I don't know.

It's depressing.

Honestly, honestly, it would go a long way for people to apologize for failing and admit that they failed.

It would go a long way.

I think it would go a long way for people who are listening to just hear

judges and people go, sorry, we fucked up.

This one failed.

We failed this one.

And then that's what we got to do, but we're going to pick up and move on.

Failure happens.

I don't know if that's the universal perception that all of them would have.

And then

they're full of shit.

According to you, yeah.

And that's fine.

Yeah.

But and

I don't know how you communicate communicate that message, but um

it's a bummer.

Yep.

So anyway, Alex has decided that he's going to start attacking this roommate guy as an actor.

But here is

David Carlson.

And this is my opinion.

You can make your own decision about it.

This came out within a few hours of this happening yesterday.

And to me, this looks extremely

ungenuine and scripted.

Oh, and you heard the reporter.

It's

Vance Bolter.

See, it's his last words.

Oh,

text messaged.

A guy in a rubber mask supposedly does this, tries to kill the police,

shoots four people, kills two.

And then we're just instantly told the official story that it is Vance Bolter.

And, oh, he's going to be found dead.

And the text message is I'm going to be found.

I'm probably going to be dead.

And then we're told, oh, people heard shots in the woods.

Police found the car a few hours ago.

Dead men tell no tales.

Oh, here's Vance Bolter's body.

We got his phone right here with his text messages.

It's him.

He did it.

This has got the signs of setup all over it.

It's probably a good thing that Alex doesn't really matter as much as he did in 2013, or else this could incite a really bad harassment campaign against the guy.

He may still be the subject of some dumb conspiracies and harassment, but Alex is an unnecessary part of that process in 2025.

He is just a Twitter recap show, so it would probably be a lot harder to argue that he was a critical part of spreading the theories about David Carlson, the roommate,

compared to the past.

Absolutely.

But it's interesting how Alex is wrong about everything in that clip.

All of his predictions about how things are going to play out are wrong.

Bolter wasn't found dead.

He was arrested.

Alex is wrong in making shit up, but there's another aspect of this that's important.

He's saying that Bolter is going to be found dead, which is part of his argument that this has set up written all over it.

Alex doesn't realize it, and it's not important to anyone, but this is a conditional if-then statement.

If Bolter is found dead, then this has set up written all over it.

His final texts to Carlson and his wife can't be fraudulently pinned on him if he survives and says that he sent them.

The shootings can't be falsely ascribed to him if he lives and said that he did it.

All of this patsy crafting that Alex is doing relies on the assumption that he's going to be found dead, and then everyone will just say that he did it.

Because Bolter was taken alive, Alex should have to reassess a lot of this stuff, but he doesn't have to.

And part of the reason is that no one cares, including Alex.

This is all a game to him.

Yep.

None of this is the conveying of sincere

belief or information.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it is, it is a, it is like the, the, the, the effect of Alex in 2013 that everybody else is handling it without him.

You know, like, oh, yeah, we've already got the conspiracies.

We've already got the Patsy.

We've already got the fake actors.

We've already got it all down.

You have educated us in such a way that this is how it is done.

This is how we do it.

Yeah.

It had such a

erosive effect on people's engaging with breaking stories, breaking information.

He made so much money off it.

There's such a profit incentive in these kinds of games that

people just can't resist.

He might as well have written the handbook.

Yep.

On, like, oh, take step, step, step, step, step, profit.

His show essentially is that.

If you wanted it to be,

you could train yourself to abuse information pretty well.

So he's just wrong about how he thinks things are going to play out.

Sure.

What did I tell you in the last six months?

False flag shootings on lawmakers, on homes, on illegal alien demonstrations, on black churches.

That's what they've been pre-programming.

They always tell you beforehand, getting their story ready, getting it in your mind.

And then I said they find a dead body of a MAGA supporter so that they can't defend themselves.

And here we are.

He's a huge Trump supporter.

Says his best buddy.

And look, we got the text messages.

They didn't say

someone claiming to be Vance Bolter.

No, Vance Bolter's last text messages.

What could be his last words?

All foreshadowing they find the dead body.

I'll be very surprised if they catch him in the manhunt now.

No, he's dead in a barn somewhere.

He's dead in a gully somewhere.

Alex is right 95% of the time, and yet so shockingly wrong on such a regular basis.

Makes you wonder how stats work.

So Alex says all this foreshadows them finding Bolter dead because he's treating all this like a dramatic story someone else is telling, and he's trying to predict the plot based on the writer's clues.

The problem is that he doesn't actually think like that.

If he did, he would have killed a bunch of people by now, and probably himself.

What he's exhibiting is a very distorted manner of viewing the world, but if he really saw things that way and acted upon it, he'd be unable to function.

He couldn't run a fake pill company.

He couldn't shift all of this stuff over from the Alex Jones store to the Alex Jones.net network or whatever.

He wouldn't be able to do all that stuff if he truly was caught up in reading all the clues that the man is secretly giving him.

And this, I believe, is part of what makes him such an interesting figure: is that he is kind of fucked up in this way.

Right.

There is some part of that that he's drawn by.

Right.

But part of it is also very fake.

And part of it is a performance that encourages that kind of thinking in the audience.

And that, that, like, is this real?

Is this fake?

That Kayfabe or whatever, it's the most blurry with him than it is with anybody

in his media bubble.

Do you remember the Tony Hawk games?

Yes, very well.

Right.

And do you remember, like, later on, I remember them having so many stats.

Like, you know, like, oh, this is how good they are, Holly.

You know, like, it would just be line after line of stat things that you can slightly adjust.

You know, even the first ones had a fair amount.

Yeah, yeah.

To me, anything higher than like your standard Dungeons and Dragons 6 stat kind of thing is awful high.

It feels like the amount of characteristics, the stat characteristics have to be tuned to such a very specific level at every single one of them to get Alex.

Yeah.

You know?

It's true.

What is his version?

What's a skater's version of charisma?

Is that manual?

That is a good question.

What would that be?

We'll see

photogenicness.

That's a great stat.

Good job, Jordan.

Good job, Jordan.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Well, see, here's the thing.

In some of the earlier games, you didn't have things like the manual wasn't in the first game.

I think the grind stat.

That's the most charismatic thing to do, is to grind going down the.

Yeah, I think we can agree on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The issue that I have with with this stat thing with Alex is that, like, there are certain things that, like, in a DD build, there are certain stats that preclude other stats.

Sure.

Like, if you have a giant, bulking, super strong person, they can't also have super high agility.

It's more interesting.

Yeah.

You can't have both of those things together.

Yeah.

Or else you'd then have to have no charisma, no

talk.

Yeah.

But you could move around a lot and you're beefy.

Yeah.

With Alex, he's able to navigate bullshit the way that he does on his show.

And I think that you could believe that he is just as crazy as he presents himself to be,

but he has really good handlers around him, like his dad.

Right.

You know,

you could see, like, once the cameras are off, he is a raving lunatic, and his dad has to stop him from doing all of the killing and shit that he would do on his own.

So he's like a horse.

He's put inside of a thing and driven from place to place and then allowed out to do the show.

Well, I'm saying that someone could suggest that.

Right, right, right, right.

But he's such a defiant, like, oppositional character and his personality relies so much on like, no one is telling me what to do.

No one can tell me what to do.

Yeah.

That I don't think that...

I don't think that those traits are compatible.

Like, he can't be being handled by his dad

and be the oppositional, defiant weirdo that he is.

Right.

None of it makes sense.

The stats don't add up together.

Right.

And that's what makes him interesting.

Yeah, I agree.

And I think the places where it's confusing is mostly lies.

Yeah, that's true.

I think mostly it's...

The incongruity can be resolved using Occam's razor, which is he's a big fat liar.

But he's also somebody who's always right when he theorizes

stuff.

But it looks like whatever they had planned didn't go as big as they wanted.

I don't know.

But you know, usually when I am forced to theoretize and look at the different pieces I have,

more often than not, I'm dead on.

What do you think?

We'll post this clip from the live show at X later.

Do you want to know more?

You can give me your intel and your angles, which I really need with your human intelligence, your humat.

We'll figure this out.

But we're going to stay on this.

I'm going to come back and play this guy,

in my opinion,

fake crying.

I mean, this is just really bad acting.

This guy get his acting training in a strip mall.

So I think that the way that that clip plays out gives you a little bit of, you know, some indications.

This, like,

I'm fishing for attention on Twitter.

You know, please sound off with your comments and your view met.

But he also needs other people to create some of this shit talk that then he can repeat that lets him a little bit off the hook.

I'm just covering what people are saying.

Right, right, right.

The morning to evening Fox News

pipeline kind of thing.

Yeah.

He's trying to incite other people to come up with

shit, be his Wolfgang Halban.

People are saying, I'm reading now that people are saying that he wasn't real in the first place.

I'm just reporting.

He's a guy who has an interesting thought on it.

Exactly.

This is a very prestigious, credible person who's

Professor Ding Dong or whatever the fuck on Twitter.

Yep.

The thing I hate most about shit like that is whenever it's so directly parallel.

You know, it's like,

at the very least,

give me a new version of this.

How can we allow the exact same words to be said again?

You know,

I think he's a bad actor.

Should be like, even you should not say that.

You should be like, well, I'll come up with something better than he's a bad actor.

Yeah.

You know?

If I were Alex and I was just, you know, a gigantic piece of shit and I had been through what I had been through with the Sandy Hook cases,

I would have PTSD around

the idea of saying this about somebody else.

Absolutely.

I would not be able to do it because I would be like, well, at least on a muscle memory level, I remember that this is trouble.

Yeah.

But no.

Absolutely.

No.

Doesn't matter.

Nothing.

So Alex pledges that he's going to follow this story.

He's going to get get to the bottom of this.

I doubt it.

All right, we're going to follow this story because it stinks to high heaven like a rotten fish

or like a sewage line.

But

here's what we know:

you have a high-level appointee to the Board of Labor of Minnesota

and

a big

reported no-king supporter, big Democrat uprising group.

He's got an intelligence security firm.

He's surrounded by Democrats.

He's a Democrat.

And then his best buddy reads messages crying for the news that it's him.

And here he is saying all this.

And then the best buddy says, oh, yeah, he's a huge Trump supporter.

And so the huge Trump supporter in a rubber mask with a stolen police car goes and attacks the state senator and state reps house, kills two, critically wounds two others, kills the senator and her husband, critically wounds the state rep and their spouse.

And then we're told he's got to be found dead.

And now they're looking for the dead body.

They heard shots and there's a car found in the woods.

So

the MAGA maniac wearing a rubber mask, I don't know who he is, but we know it's him.

The media told us it's him, with no evidence,

wanted to kill Democrats that were voting against Tim Wall's

illegal alien free health care legislation things.

So when you're a big Trump supporter, you go kill the Democrats that are defecting from the party, which is their main fear, which is happening everywhere.

Okay.

None of it adds up.

So I'm thrilled that he's going to keep on following the story.

And I think that Bolter's roommate could sue him.

I think the grounds are pretty clear there.

Everything Alex is saying in that clip that's meant to add to the suspiciousness of this story is false or wildly exaggerated.

The version that Alex is telling is very suspicious, but only because of the stuff that he's making up.

If he addressed this story based on the information that was available, it wouldn't be all that suspicious, but he can't do that because if he did, it would make him feel bad.

One thing that's particularly wrong here is that the people who the shooter targeted were Democrats who voted against extending Minnesota care to immigrants.

Melissa Hortman voted with the GOP on that, but John Hoffman didn't.

So this theory of a motive doesn't work.

A further complication is that Tim Walls was supportive of the compromise that the lawmakers reached in order to pass a state budget.

He was obviously opposed to this piece of it, but he was part of reaching the larger agreement.

He literally appeared with Hortman and the new Speaker of the House, GOP Representative Lisa Demuth, at a press conference announcing that compromise back in May.

Voting for this piece of the budget wasn't going against Tim Walls.

In fact, it could be argued that Hortman made a very difficult decision that was exactly what Walls needed her to do in order to get the rest of the budget passed.

Alex needs to lie and add shit to this story to make it suspicious because if he didn't, he wouldn't really be able to argue against the shooter's actions.

Democrats are fucking demonic child abusers who can't get enough human trafficking.

On what grounds could Alex actually stand against assassinating Democratic leaders?

If anything that he preaches is meant to be taken seriously, Bolter's actions should be reported on Infowars as noble and just, which is why this has to be a false flag and why he desperately has to go out of his way in order to create this dumb bullshit.

Yeah, we're not at the point where it's useful and advantageous to propagandize these people as heroes.

I imagine we'll get there.

I would say no, but I've been so wrong about the

tough to hold hold up the track record.

Well, and I think that

the way that

he's made sort of tragic heroes out of people who, like cops who have killed black people, like a Derek Chauvin type figure.

That one

from Milwaukee or whatever his fucking name is.

I think we're not that far off from him being able to do that.

Now, whether or not he has the nerve to

I'll say that in some circles, he already is being hailed as a hero yes but i mean alex yeah i mean does alex have the nerve for sure that's a good question i don't know if he thinks that his brand could survive doing that but i think a time may come when he he i mean it it time may come when it's the only way he feels like his brand can survive is to go full on

yep it might be well so alex like you know he knows when things are fake when he sees them sure

yeah

again how do you walk into someplace you see a bowl bowl of fruit, and from 20 feet away, you go, that's fake.

It looks real, but you just, your mind knows because it knows the look.

You know, when you see something fake.

And I'm not saying it's fake.

I'm saying it's my opinion that

these crocodile tears, because there's no tears here.

And you add all this together, it looks really bad.

Here it is.

I love you guys.

I made some choices, and you guys don't know anything about this, but I'm going to be gone for a while.

So, like, he says he knows when things are fake, but his track record about like knowing fake things is pretty shit.

In a sense.

Like, the biggest problems he's had in his career are times when he's called things fake that he was totally wrong about.

Right.

So, in a sense, all right,

if you

think about it this way, all right, if If you know all of the things that are wrong, every single thing that is wrong, you in a sense also know what is right because that is defined as the only thing that is not.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

By virtue of this.

So in a way, yes.

If he calls it fake, you know it's real.

And if he calls it real, you probably know it's fake.

Therefore, he kind of does know when things are fake.

It's an in a sense.

That's an unreliable metric.

Yeah, that is.

It's very unreliable.

Because Alex calls something fake doesn't doesn't mean it's real.

But him saying something that is fake means nothing.

And his track record is shit.

Right.

So he plays this clip of David Carlson speaking to reporters and reading these text messages.

And he did not, I watched the larger video.

He didn't seem to want to read these text messages.

The reporters were kind of like, Could you give us some information?

What did they say?

I think it's a little bit uncomfortable, but also I understand why reporters are doing doing what they're doing in that context.

But Alex has decided this all just looks very fake.

Obviously.

And, man.

But I love you guys, and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.

So

it looks like he reads us for the first time with the news cameras, and he chokes up.

He does the huffing and puffing.

And I just feel like I'm in a middle school play of Peter Pan here, don't you?

I mean, you're cops watching that.

You know bull crap when you see it, right?

But you're not supposed to ask questions.

That's why I'm such a bad man.

I know that Alex is being facetious here about this being why he's a bad man, but he's actually spot on.

This is a huge part of why he's a horrible person.

Alex is saying the exact same things he did about Robbie Parker's press conference after the Sandy Hook shooting.

And Alex has every reason to know how much that hurt him.

Alex knows precisely what he's doing, and he does not care.

This couldn't be a clearer example that he hasn't learned anything from that entire lawsuit, and he's doing the exact same thing to another person because

the truth is too difficult for him to spin.

If he actually dealt with reality on reality's term, it would be tough.

I mean, or he's learned one thing from the lawsuit, which is he can do whatever he wants.

Right.

And I think that those are the same thing in terms of like learning your lesson and learning that I don't have to learn a lot.

There There are no consequences for me.

So, David Carlson's a private citizen, and Alex is accusing him of being an actor, which would have to mean that he's part of an elaborate plan to kill Minnesota state lawmakers and a willing participant in a psyop meant to overthrow Trump.

Who hired him?

Who hired that person?

Under whose direction?

How many people did they.

Was it an open casting call, etc., etc., etc.

Yeah, until Alex faces real consequences that make him understand the gravity of the things that he does to people, this behavior isn't going to change.

And I don't know what those consequences are, but I think he probably,

there should probably be some way that he could go to jail.

Like, I feel like that might do it.

Maybe,

but maybe not.

I mean, I don't know.

You could do a podcast from jail.

It is like...

It is like, I wonder how much of Alex's protection is really just cast-off protection from the legal system's inability to hold any rich person accountable.

I think that's a large part of it.

And then I think a lot of these issues are really, really touchy things that a lot of people don't want to deal with, like speech.

Sure.

I think that

the retreat and the mask of free speech is something that people, you know, you worry about, oh, what's the precedent something is going to set?

Or, you know, I think that,

especially in the U.S.,

we're pretty bad with those kinds of issues.

We don't really deal with them in a way that's compatible with

real life.

Well, at least not dealing with them has clearly served us well so far, right?

I feel like we're doing great.

No notes.

No notes.

So,

look, man, this guy, he didn't do it.

Maybe.

Maybe he was a Chinese agent.

Who knows?

I feel like it's very easy to know.

But there was a rubber mask, right?

Fair enough.

So now they can just frame anyone.

So they can put a rubber mask on

and go out and kill whoever they want and frame MTG, Alex Jones, Tuck Carlson, Matt Gates, Roger Stone.

And then they got your phone, they just sent out the messages.

And it's voila.

And it's how quick they had it out.

It's how it was all ready, how it was all prepared.

You see the preparation of Walls and his statement yesterday, all of it.

I know scripting when I see it.

And so do you.

I don't know what's going on,

but I'm saying I believe this is a big lie.

And I believe whatever they had planned fizzed out, supposedly a lot bigger.

That's what you have for the manifesto.

They won't show us.

But 70 he wanted to kill.

And then you got the wife in a carload of people with all their passports, guns, and ammo caught in another county.

And that story went off the radar.

Meanwhile, you've got Jamie Raskin at the No Kings event in D.C.

No American flags to be seen, but Palestinian flags are there.

And then you've got

North Carolina state rep waves Trump decapitated head at No Kings protests.

Some cuts may be necessary.

They're just trying to hype somebody to go out and do the violence.

Oh, that's, yeah.

Somebody already shot at him.

That's already been done.

that

feels silly.

That bridge has already been crossed.

If he gets shot, it's because people are already shooting at him.

Yeah.

So you might notice that no one's put on a rubber mask and framed Alex, Roger, or MTG because it wouldn't be as easy as Alex is imagining it.

Almost absurd.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So also that story from the No Kings protest is misreporting.

North Carolina Representative Julie Von Haffen posted an image of a protester sign on social media, which Alex is reporting as her waving around a severed head at the protest.

Sounds about right.

He doesn't know what the actual story is, and Von Haffen immediately apologized.

Seems kind of stupid, though, to whine about how this is all going to lead to violence while simultaneously trying to run defense for a guy who just assassinated a state rep.

But Alex is kind of stupid that way.

And the dissonance of this is not going to

make the listeners think, like, wait, hold on a second.

People were just murdered.

People weren't murdered after the No Kings protests.

Strange.

Very strange.

I wonder if there's some sort of way to go back and look.

Because I feel like there is a down, there's a death spiral that begins when enough people are successfully convinced that competence is suspicious.

You know what I mean?

Like when somebody, like, oh my God,

they did it too well.

Like, Jesus Christ, be happy that somebody did their fucking job well for once.

Sure.

Right?

Like, oh, see how fast the vaccine came out?

That's, no, wait, you're way off.

That's an amazing achievement.

Do you see the pyramids?

It's an amazing achievement.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Human effort,

when directed and ushered well, can have shocking results.

It's good.

Yeah.

Things can be good.

Or

it's all a plot and you should be.

End of society.

I think that,

yeah,

I mean, I don't think that explains everything, but there's something to that.

That competence being suspicious is not a sustainable.

Yeah, there's just no way to come back from it, right?

Once doing a good job is like a, oh, you can't trust him, then why would you ever do a good job?

How could you do a good job?

It certainly de-incentivizes that.

Yeah.

So I thought like, well, Alex is really doing some shit on this show.

And then halfway through, he just decides to leave.

Oh!

All right, we're going to go to break, start the next hour.

Masses of news, clips, analysis on so many stories, so many friends.

Chase Geiser was downtown last night during the No Kings

bedlam.

He's got all this footage coming up.

Stay with us.

He'll be in the studio.

But look at the boomers.

I posted that today.

You go to the No Kings thing.

It's 99% white.

That's old white leftists that want to be the ruling class trying to control society.

Now, we got a sale that ends today, and your funding of this operation is critical.

But you want the products.

Only sell stuff that that works.

We have ultramethylene blue capsules of vitamin C to supercharge it.

Amazing.

So we, I thought from listening to that, that, like, okay, Chase is going to come in and do some reports on the protest.

Alex is going to host, and Chase is going to guest.

Chase just takes over.

So Alex leaves.

All right.

And that thing, look at the boomers.

Yeah.

Is in reference to Chase's big revelation that he has that is like, all right.

So these protests, when you go to them

at at the beginning, it's all old people.

It's all these old boomers.

Sure.

And then when the lights go down,

when the sun sets.

When the protests start to get real fuck bass.

That's when the kids show up.

Right, right.

And all of these protests are really just meant to make it look normal to protest when later the kids are going to show up and set things on fire.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

I don't know.

That's an interesting theory, Chase.

I also think it's pretty amazing.

Alex is saying, like, he's bedlam at these protests.

And, like, Chase's coverage of it is quite boring.

It's he was not able to capture on tape any kind of bedlam.

Yeah.

Mostly people doing some chanting and saying, fuck Trump and that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

But

it's, I mean,

I guess

from where I'm sitting,

it would be very hard

if I'm on the right going like, well, can you see the lack of decorum as my main criticism of the protests?

I feel like that would not be.

Well, I mean, that's what Alex has tried to do about Alex Padilla, you know, like the senator who

got handcuffed at the Christy Noam event.

Not polite enough.

Not polite enough.

Should have been kinder.

Yeah.

We could all stand to be a little bit more kind.

Now, let me auction off this bullhorse.

Yeah, absolutely.

So

I am

somewhat flabbergasted by this, and I wanted this episode to stand alone a little bit because I think it's such a clear illustration of Alex doing the Sandy Hook tricks again.

Yeah.

And I think that it's a mistake to think of them as Sandy Hook tricks.

Yeah.

They're his tricks.

They're the things that he does.

Yeah.

It's just that the most famous example that got him in the most trouble had to do with the Sandy Hook shooting.

To bring it full circle, as I was saying, this is a moment because you couldn't go back and look at Alex's career before Sandy Hook and see him doing the same thing over and over and over again because it works.

Yeah, yeah.

And some of it, I think, certainly escalated a lot more.

For sure.

But yeah, the Aurora shooting was before Sandy Hook, and Alex called a lot of the people who were there actors.

These were things that were already starting to take hold in conspiracy circles, the crisis actor narratives and stuff like that.

So it's not unique to that.

It's what he knows can work.

It's a pattern of behavior.

And I think that the reason that it's interesting to see it deployed here is that for a long time, I don't think he's felt comfortable doing that.

Yeah.

Because of the corks, because of the danger that some of this represents.

And there's a

back on my bullshit kind of feel about him doing this to the shooter's roommate.

There were plenty of times that we've talked about in the intervening years, which is great to to say those words,

years,

wherein he's like, you know what, maybe I'll hold back a little bit because of the, you know, all of that stuff.

He's insinuated that he is holding back due to,

you know, consequences.

But

it's if until a pattern of behavior is stopped.

you know, like diverted, until the inertia of that is moved away, especially if it's monetarily rewarded, people are just going to keep doing it.

I'm afraid so.

And I think that in the past we've seen, or intervening years, as you say,

we've seen a lot of examples of him getting fairly close to doing stuff like this.

But I don't know how, I don't feel like I've seen him go full on this guy is a fucking actor, where'd he learn at a strip mall?

Like that kind of stuff, saying that his tears are fake, all this shit.

I don't think that I've seen that in a while.

It represents a shift.

Yeah.

I don't think it's a meaningful shift.

No.

Except for that obviously he doesn't think that this can get him in trouble anymore.

Right.

Like in the past, what we've seen is him trying to do the same thing using words that won't get him in trouble.

Yeah, damage avoidance.

Right, right, right.

And so we're with his words, if you like connect a bunch of clauses and put everything together, you can see he's saying the exact same thing about Sandy Hook that he was before.

He's just doing it in a different way.

Whereas now it feels like he's saying it exactly the same.

This has a smoke him if you got him.

Absolutely.

100%.

And that, to me, I think, is meaningful, if anything.

Yeah.

So we'll see what happens.

He has not yet commented at this point on the shooter being an InfoWars fan.

Unsurprising.

But I'm sure that will escalate the actor aspects.

Yep.

Because that information does come from the roommate who Alex is already working to discredit.

Right.

So that'll be fun.

I I hope he stays on this story forever.

Great.

Anyway, we'll be back.

Indeed, we will.

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's knowledgefight.com.

Yep.

We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the Mysterious Professor.

Yeah,

and now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.