#1044: June 2, 2025

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Hello, Alex.

I'm a fifth ten colour.

I'm a huge fan.

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

You look at me.

You listen to me.

I'm looking at you.

I'm going to give it to you, Raw.

All right.

I'm pointing at you right now.

I can feel your brother.

You understand this?

It's intense.

I'm staring you right in the face.

Yeah.

I don't have a bright spot today.

Okay, that's fine.

But I do have a dark spot.

All right.

And it's me.

Okay.

Dang.

Man, we are struggling.

We're going an upside-down world here.

So you and I have talked recently about an urge that I've had to buzz my head.

Yes.

And some of this has, I admit, come from an episode of The Cat that we watched where there was a villain named Leo Serif

who had a bald head and a beard configuration where it's sort of like a goatee, but it goes a little bit further and comes up like a jutting point.

Yeah, it really does.

It's an old, crazy mystic kind of look.

Yep.

And I thought to myself, when I saw that, I could see myself in that vibe.

I felt like I've never tried this facial hair

configuration.

Not many have.

Yeah, except for old wizards.

Right, right.

Not a ton of those.

And actors who are playing old wizards.

Old wizards.

Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

And so I decided, like,

I'd kick the can down the road long enough.

And I feel like when I was younger, I had dumb ideas and then I'd just do them.

Yeah.

And I would have buzzed my head a long time ago and gone for the Leo Seraph look.

Hell yeah.

When I was a younger man.

And so I decided, fuck it, I'm doing it.

Yeah.

I did.

And I'm not super satisfied with the results.

Sure.

I don't think it looks bad.

No, I think you look great.

I think I have an okay buzzed head.

Yeah.

And I like having shorter hair generally.

I don't like hair getting in my eyes and I hate having to comb.

Sure.

It's annoying.

But I do think that I look too much like Alex when I looked in the mirror.

I mean, it's not unit's not unnoticeable.

Bald with a goatee, a little bit thick.

Yep.

I don't, I was very uncomfortable with it, and I'm probably going to get rid of it as soon as we're done recording.

I kept it mostly for the humor of.

You got the hair with you in your bathroom.

You're going to put it back on, glue it in each piece by piece.

It's the only solution.

It's the the only solution.

We're going to sew it back on.

Yeah.

Because I went to the store with, of course, with the pinky ring.

Right.

Which was overshadowed by my feeling of like, what if someone thinks I am Alex Jr.?

I felt like that's incredibly unlikely.

That was a paranoia that I had that was more than like, are people going to think I'm weird because I have a pinky ring?

I think we're reaching like Korean detective levels of immersing oneself a little too much in the case.

Yeah.

I was going for the Leo Serif.

I did not realize.

Fell accidentally into the AJ.

Yeah, yeah.

So anyway,

dark spot.

Yeah.

What's your bright spot?

My bright spot,

very opposite.

All right.

We're back at tennis, but this is only tangentially tennis related, aside from it being about tennis.

The semifinalist

for the the French Open

on the ladies' side

ranked number 361 in the world.

Okay.

Loise Woisson.

Very French.

Extremely French.

This is right up your alley these days.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Extremely French.

She was 124 last year.

She was about to get her first wild card into the French Open.

Torre ACL.

Right?

This year, she's finally coming back.

She just wins.

Out of nowhere, the French Federation is like, yeah, we'll give you a wild card into the French Open.

Boom, beats top 25.

Shit.

Boom.

Beats top 50.

Boom.

Beats number three.

Then number six.

I hate to ask this if this is where you're going.

Sure.

But is this a rookie of the year situation?

No.

Okay.

No, no, no, no.

She's very good at tennis.

She did.

She did not reach.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She didn't get a new gorilla tendon to replace her old, which, which, I mean, maybe that's legal.

I don't know.

Her coach wasn't like on the sideline saying funky butt level.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, no Gary Buseys were involved.

Okay.

That's good.

In the making of this.

But she's gone, she lost in the semifinals to Coco Goff, but that happens.

Still an incredible run.

It's the most ridiculous run in her entire career.

She'd only made like $120,000 in prize money.

And then in the past two weeks, she's made almost $700.

Like, it's crazy.

Her whole life has changed completely.

She was awesome.

I like the

way that we're looking at this differently.

Like, I came to this from a perspective of, like, this accomplishment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You went with prize money, and I guess, probably, like, branding deals.

No, no, no, no.

Here's what's out.

No, no, no, no.

What's most important, again, and this is why it's tangentially related to tennis, is that somebody who was not supposed to be there, who was French, was in the French Open kicking ass.

And there is no other place in tennis that behaves quite like the crowd at the French Open when there's somebody who's French kicking ass.

They are as close to Philly fans as you can possibly get in tennis.

And it is magnificent to watch these people.

They get so mad.

The tennis players get so mad because you're not supposed to behave like this.

If you go to Wimbledon, no one makes a sound.

Right, but the French are a little rowdy.

The French are out of their minds.

And this lady's French, so they were on her team all the way.

They're all wine-drunk.

It was so much fun to watch them behave like absolute maniacs.

So that was my bright spot.

They've had so many years of Spanish domination of the

French Open, and they're reclaiming their territory.

Yeah, no, they're open homers.

Like, they love their French tennis people, and they loved Rafa because he was a great champion and stuff, but not the way that they really love a French person who's not supposed to be there.

That's the shit.

That's the shit.

You know, that was a great homer.

Oh, Simpson.

That's true.

I really, really wanted to make that joke and have a different Homer,

but I couldn't come up with one.

Oh, it was a great Homer.

What was the Iliad guy's last name?

Or was that his first name?

It was a Madonna situation.

Does he only have the one name?

Yeah.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

We're going to be talking about June 2nd, 2025.

Okay.

And that is because something happened on this episode that has taken the internet by storm.

Oh, and I think represents

a seismic shift.

Okay.

In the way that I want to look at Alex.

I think that

there's something that happens that he's.

Let's do it.

It's a lot to unpack.

Let's go.

But before we do any of that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

Ooh, this is a great idea.

So, first, Toby the Cat.

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Next, my partner, Melissa, says she generally only listens to the bright spots and shoutouts because she hates Alex.

So to test that theory, I'm shouting you out through Dan's voice.

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And I live less than 30 miles away from Knowledge Fight HQ, and I'm still part of the Empty Envelope Club.

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So sorry about that.

Yeah.

I'll leave some buttons by the lake, and if you find them, you find them.

So we also got a technical credit to the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to Tara.

I'm really excited about our first trip together and many more in the future from your goofy boyfriend, Andrew.

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Thank you so much.

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So we started off here on the 2nd, and there's a lot of stuff that's going on in the world, sure.

But Alex has a definite top story.

Okay.

So, the massive attacks

Sunday night into Monday morning all over Russia, up to 4,000 miles away from the Ukrainian border in far eastern Russia, right by Japan,

are completely designed to, the night before, derail the peace talks that just concluded this morning.

And of course, everyone's waiting for the big response from Putin.

Well, I shouldn't say everyone.

You tune into leftist media, you tune into so-called populist media, all they're talking about is the crazy Muslim with the makeshift flamethrower, Malab Cocktails, trying to kill Jews in Boulder.

Or they're spending their time hysterically running around about Palantir

because that's what the liberals want you to talk about.

So that's what we do.

And don't worry, I'll spend time on the Rocky Horror

and on Palantir a little bit next hour.

If you actually want to know what's going on in both cases.

So on June 1st, Ukraine carried out a very elaborate attack on Russia, where they managed to smuggle 117 drones into the country, launch them, and attack Russian air bases successfully.

It's tough to say exactly what the damage they were able to do is, but from what I can tell from news reports, this is entirely a matter of them attacking military targets.

On this episode, Alex calls this Russia's Pearl Harbor, which actually fails on two counts.

The first is that the U.S.

hadn't previously invaded Japan, and the second is that Alex is supposed to think that Pearl Harbor was a false flag.

So none of this really makes sense.

That's a good point.

The whole thing is a big deal, and there's obviously going to be retaliation.

But largely speaking, Alex is at a very uncomfortable point at this June 2nd episode.

When Trump was running in 2024, I think that he overestimated his sway over Putin and believed that he could end the war in Ukraine just by buddying up with the strongman and joining him in bullying Zelensky.

As we've seen, that clearly hasn't worked.

And towards the end of May, Trump said that Putin was, quote, absolutely crazy and condemned Russia's attacks on Ukrainian cities.

At this point, I think that Trump may be realizing that his normal tactics aren't going to do shit here, and it seems like he's signaling that he's just going to be backing off from being too involved.

Let Russia do whatever the fuck they want.

That's a good strategy for Trump if he's just trying to distance himself from a situation where he has way less leverage than he thought.

But it's a huge problem for people like Alex in the extreme right-wing media.

They've seriously overcommitted to Putin and the righteousness of his cause.

They're tying it closely to these political and even even spiritual identities that they've built up.

These folks in this media space are going to need to make some tough choices in the coming months as the team that they've chosen to root for falls apart.

On the one front, you have Trump and Putin, who are supposed to be the united front that's standing up to save white Christendom from the terrors of wokeness.

They should be on the same page, but they're clearly not, and that's a problem.

On another front, you have Trump and Elon Musk falling out a bit over Trump's big beautiful bill, and Elon departing his role in the fake government efficiency office that they created.

Musk's been shitting on this bill and trying to whip up opposition to it, and it looks like the two of them may not be on the same page at all anymore.

This shit is coming apart at the seams, and Alex needs to make some choices.

As for the choice that he's making on this show, it seems to indicate to me that he's possibly more committed to Putin than he is to Trump, since the attack on Russia is being covered as the real main news.

Whereas these other things like the Molotov cocktail attack and Palantir, these are side issues.

Yeah.

that you're being distracted from the main thing which is this Russia stuff yeah

yeah I mean it seems like a fairly simple conversation to predict like imagine this so uh putin's like hey I want all of the soviet union back obviously that's what I've been doing that's what I've been talking about I've been saying that I've honestly been crazy obvious about this.

And Trump was like, well, yeah, but that's bullshit, right?

We're all here to do the thing.

You're just talking big so you can get the stuff.

And he's like, no, I want the Soviet Union.

Well, you can't have the Soviet Union.

I mean, obviously, I won't allow you to have the Soviet Union.

You won't allow me to have the Soviet Union?

We're fighting now.

Well, if you want to have the Soviet Union, you better pay me a lot.

Exactly.

That's more.

You can't pay me what I want.

That's enough for the Soviet Union.

Yeah.

And so I think that that's maybe

a sticking point.

It's not going to, we're not going to see eye to eye on you get Poland too.

I don't know.

You don't have Poland.

I just need a lot of money.

I don't care.

So, yeah, I think that Alex is at this sort of crossroads that, whether he understands it or not,

that

he's committed to a number of things that are about to be enemies with each other.

And

I don't wish him good luck.

No.

It is interesting because I think you're right.

We're seeing this

non-coalition fall apart for a fundamental reason.

Nobody actually knew who was lying to who.

Right.

Yes.

I thought we were lying about this.

Yeah.

I was telling the truth.

It's based on scam

instead of solidarity.

Yep.

Like, there is no sense of

these people who are

deeply white nationalist.

Like, they don't have solidarity with Bitcoin dudes.

Nope.

But they've unfortunately had to work together

as their interests aligned.

Yeah.

And they've overcommitted.

Whoops.

So this attack on Russia, it really is about one thing, and that is reminding you.

No.

Sort of, I mean, keep that in your mind.

All right.

But it's mostly about how you should be afraid of immigrants.

That sounds right.

But you've got another big strain here that no one is pointing out.

Oh, Ukraine's massive drone attack deep inside Russia lays bare Putin's vulnerability.

Russia's borders are highly controlled

compared to the United States that's been a wide open sieve off and on for decades, particularly the last four years.

Hundreds of thousands of military-age men with affiliations to Hezbollah and the Chinese military and others have come in en masse with the same boots, same backpacks, same military builds.

We know they're here producing fentanyl, money laundering, running crime operations, sending the money back to Iran and back to China.

And if you think this lays bare the dangers and the vulnerabilities of asymmetrical warfare, let me give you a news flash.

The Russians have smuggled nuclear weapons into the United States decades ago.

The Chinese have smuggled nuclear weapons in.

The United States has smuggled things even nastier than that into their countries.

And this is a giant ticking time bomb.

So it's important to understand that kicking immigrants out of the United States is one of the only things that really matters to Alex.

And you can tell by how every story is actually about how scared you should be about the border.

This attack on Russia has nothing to do with Russia's immigration laws, but Alex doesn't miss an opportunity to demonize the people that he hates.

And I would say that if Alex believes any of this shit that he's saying, then there's basically no reason to try to solve any of the world's problems.

If all of these countries have smuggled arsenals into each other's borders, the mathematical odds of that not going wrong is basically zero.

Disarmament talks aren't really an option because if you've got all these secret weapons in someone else's country, how could you ever expect them to trust you when you say you promise you've removed them all?

Yep.

That's fucking stupid.

Yep.

It'd be insane.

This is a Gordian knot of international diplomacy.

And if any of it's true, then Trump enabled that status quo to remain in place for his entire first presidency, which seems pretty shitty.

And I'd love to hear Alex explain that.

And that's why it's important to remember that Alex doesn't actually believe any of that stuff.

The fantasies about smuggled nukes and all this shit is just exciting detail that he's adding to this story to advocate for kicking immigrants out of the United States.

That's at its core what this is about.

The rest of it is clothes on a mannequin.

Yep.

So fuck him.

So, okay.

Right.

Now, I'm going to throw this out there.

If you're that good at smuggling weapons inside of the country, why build weapons to shoot at that country?

For show.

Oh, well, then never mind.

Right.

That makes perfect sense.

See?

That is a good spend of money.

Everybody believes that there's a nuclear triad.

Sure.

Right?

Air, water, land.

Oh, okay.

Right?

I was going to go with earth, fire, and okay.

There's four elements.

Right, okay.

Brother.

I was about to, I was going to say brother and buddy at the same time, and it came out

brada.

All right, there's four nuclear things.

Yes, there's everyone thinks it's a triad, right?

It's really like the elements.

There's four, right?

You have air, land, water, smuggled, and smuggled.

Yep.

And smuggled.

That's well, I mean, secretly stashed somewhere.

Furthermore, what's even the point of smuggling weapons if you can North Korea smuggle ballots and shit in and influence the government of the country?

There isn't really.

Okay.

You know,

all of this is just for fun, for Alex.

It is interesting.

There's so many ways everybody is trying to murder you, and it's so close that it's like, maybe you guys should focus on one way to murder me and get really, really good at it.

You know, it's like the Bruce Lee thousand-punch thing, you know?

Yeah, I think the issue is that Alex has to fill this much time

on air and do methylene blue commercials.

He's got to keep people interested.

Yeah, Bruce Lee didn't have to do methylene blue commercials.

No.

No.

Nope.

So Alex talks about Trump and how,

you know, Trump had called Putin crazy.

Sure.

And all that.

Yep.

So now Ukraine did this attack

on Russia.

Right.

And Trump has said, like, I didn't know about this.

We didn't have advance warning about this.

Sure.

So this is a weird situation for Alex to be trying to explain what the fuck is going on with our president as it relates to this conflict.

Yeah.

And as I told you when Trump came out eight days ago and said, I'm very upset with Putin.

I don't know what he's doing, attacking Ukraine.

We got a peace deal.

I'd ask both sides not to do this.

I knew before I even made phone calls

that through his morning briefings that goes through a filter, and because it's not on the corporate media here in the United States until this big attack a day and a half ago,

that Trump did not know.

about the massive Ukrainian escalation in the last month of drone attacks and missile attacks in Russia.

And sure enough, Marco Rubio's gone public.

Labarov's gone public.

And it's CNN's reporting that the White House has said that Trump did not understand what Ukraine was doing the last five weeks

and that

Trump is upset about this escalation of Zelensky.

But I saw the experts, the populace, the fake populace that actually haven't been studying this for decades,

going, Jones just made it up.

Trump knew what he was doing.

This is a great way to put pressure on Putin to give him the peace table.

Complete opposite.

This is meant to derail the peace deal.

So he goes on a little bit later and says this: Okay.

So Trump is very busy.

He's got 2 million people under him.

He gets these briefings.

He gets this information.

And if it's not on Fox News, he occasionally watches my show and other people's shows.

But

he has some lag time, as Roger Stone has said many times, that

when

Trump gets the right information,

he always makes the right decision.

I don't know what Alex is hoping to achieve here, but all of this just makes Trump sound fucking stupid.

He's the president of the United States, and if something isn't on Fox News, then he's not going to be aware of it.

No, that's good.

Obviously, what's going on here is that Alex needs to come up with a story to sell the audience that explains why Trump said that Putin had gone crazy, and the best way to do that is to pretend that he's a child and he can only be expected to know things that are on TV.

That makes sense.

This is a load of shit, but I can't imagine how pathetic I would feel if there was a politician that I supported who went against a position that I thought was very important and I tried to rationalize why that happened by saying they didn't see the story on TV.

This is such a weak angle for Alex to take.

It's such diminished expectations of what Trump is

doing.

It's sad.

I mean,

here's the thing about it, right?

Is that it suggests a possible situation where four people could directly limit and curate the amount of and what type of knowledge Trump receives, thereby creating their own agenda that Trump would enact believing that he was enacting his own thoughts when, in fact, he wasn't.

Or not caring if they're his own thoughts, if he should get some money out of it.

Exactly.

Once again, returning us to the what if we put him into a hole and just pretended he was the president.

I think those four people would be mad.

Yeah, they like having power.

Yep.

Yeah.

So I just think that

I obviously,

I don't think this means anything.

Right.

But I put it into my brain of like Alex letting Obama off the hook for something because he hadn't seen it on MSNBC.

Yeah.

Or something like that.

Just trying to parallel this in some other way makes it look so dumb.

He is insulting Trump by this description that's meant to get Trump off the hook because

treating Trump by adult standards would be devastating for Alex.

If he tried to do that, it would be...

It's indefensible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's indefensible.

And it sucks.

Yep.

Yep.

So all this, though, really, at the end of the day, it's about stopping war.

We want peace.

That's what Alex wants.

I suppose?

Peace and profits.

Because we're trying to stop nuclear war.

We're already in World War III.

Kellogg came out the second Sunday.

Nuclear war.

I told you a long time ago we were.

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Yeah, it does.

I think that there's something really crass about, like, we're trying to stop nuclear war also by this dumb shit.

I mean, methylene blue, nuclear war.

Which do you think is more important?

Both equally important.

One stops the other.

Everybody knows this.

Right.

If everyone were on methylene blue, there would be no war.

Yeah.

That's the key.

I think,

fundamentally, Alex should not be warning people taking SSRIs that they could have a negative

side effect, negative interaction with this because he is so against SSRIs.

Yeah, there shouldn't be people in his audience who would be open to taking

SSRIs.

Yeah, and not just that, he'd be like the government during prohibition.

He'd be like, it's fine because the people who are using this should be poisoned.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, it should be fine.

Yeah, I think that's an unempathetic position, and maybe

he would struggle to put it into words.

Sure, sure, sure.

But spiritually,

I could see him getting that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, this sucks.

Mike Flynn is on,

friend of Papa John.

Great.

And I noticed something while he was on.

And we're not going to listen to any clips of it because I don't really give a shit.

Hate him.

And he's basically just saying all of the same stuff that Alex said in the first hour.

Great.

And I realized, like, oh,

Alex is just priming the talking points that Mike Flynn's going to come on and rant about.

Right.

This is like the whole setup, everything about like this attack on Russia, what it really illustrates is how vulnerable the United States is to terrorist insurgent attacks from within.

All of that is all just Mike Flynn shit.

Yeah.

And I realized like this guy's taking on a Pachenicky vibe, except he's not funny.

Yeah.

He doesn't correct Alex's manners,

and he's too directly connected to things that are actually powerful.

Steve,

for all the awfulness and everything that sucked about him,

he was at least

imaginable as a folk character.

You know, like there's a.

This guy isn't going to affect anything.

You know, he's not really touching levers of power.

Yeah.

Whereas Mike Flynn, you can't really say that.

Yeah.

And that makes him different.

You know,

I hate to say that it's just very.

Well, okay, so

I started reading this biography of William F.

Buckley for some reason.

Lord knows why I do things.

So I'm reading it, and it is like, if you pull away all the myth-making and all this bullshit, it's like, oh, he's just Tucker Carlson.

He never knew anything.

Tucker's kid's name, Buckley.

Yeah,

he's just a rich fail son who talked nice, and then everything fell from there.

Had a couple of bone mows.

Never knew anything,

never had any kind of intellectual anything behind him.

He was just a piece of shit, right?

And so it stripped away that legend that, much like Alex, you know, you strip away, much like Bill Cooper, stripping away all of this legend.

And I don't know why,

but Steve Pachenek is a real character.

I think that we've done some heavy lifting in terms of that.

Sure.

I think to us he's a character.

And I don't know if he.

But he did kill Aldo Mora.

Killed.

Killed is strong.

Got killed.

Yeah.

You know, yeah, he was in the State Department

in hostage negotiation stuff

at that time in the 70s.

But, yeah, it's undeniable that he has that piece.

In the same way, it's undeniable that Mike Flynn worked for the Obama administration in intelligence.

Exactly.

You know, like, it has that same kernel, except Steve was so detached from time, and he had such crazy claims of, like, arresting the Pope and all this other shit.

Secret arresting of the Pope.

That's the shit, man.

Yeah, and that can be fun.

And Flynn can't.

Can't.

He can't do it.

He doesn't have fun in his heart.

No, it's not fun.

It's not whimsical.

whimsical.

It's not even, you can't even make it whimsical.

He comes on Infowars with Papa John.

Yeah.

And it's not whimsical.

And it's not whimsical because he's still trading off of being a general.

Yeah.

It's like, fuck off.

Yeah,

he still wants to.

Steve would want to wield actual power too.

Sure.

But it doesn't feel possible.

Whereas it does feel possible for Flynn.

It sucks.

Yeah, it does.

So

you might have noticed that Alex had two stories that he was kind of pushing off to the side at the beginning of the episode.

You have the one about the guy with the Molotov cocktail, and then the other is Palantir?

Yeah.

What's going on there?

What is going on with Palantir?

Apparently, not that much.

My God, this is total madness because the ChiComs were merged with the Globalists.

The Globalists wanted us sold out to China.

They made the deal.

And then now China double-crossed them.

And they got the codes, all the computers, and the AI systems.

And China is the giant elephant.

Israel's got main control of the telecoms and a bunch of the NSA switches.

MI6 is heavily involved.

And all I hear about is Palantir, Palantir, because the liberals talk about it all day because they want you to think about that when you think about a surveillance grid.

Because Palantir,

Trump is trying to hire to spy on the deep state so that he can understand what all the grids are.

And I'm not saying Alex Carp of Palantir is some angel.

He's a big liberal.

Oh, he helped fund the EU system to surveill and crush the right wing.

Oh, his greatest fear is a Christian nationalist throwing him off a roof.

No, I'm not lionizing Palantir.

Palantir is tiny.

Yeah, it's running Israel's AI that's running around killing people.

I'm sorry.

All this stuff is there.

So if the A plot of this episode is General Flynn's talking points about the attack in Russia, then the B plot is how everyone should stop worrying so much about Palantir.

News had just broken that Palantir was in talks with the Trump administration to create a database of U.S.

citizens, which is exactly the kind of thing that Alex has spent his entire career screaming about.

Yep.

Representatives of the administration had claimed that they just want to eliminate data silos where different departments of the government have access to different information about you.

Sure.

They want to centralize all that information in one place for efficiency.

That's good.

That's good.

I like that.

That's cool.

I like to hear that.

Information silos in terms of the government are a really good thing for the sake of protecting your privacy.

The government isn't supposed to collect information from you except when they really need to, like the IRS getting tax returns or Medicare getting medical documents.

An office like the IRS has no business with your medical records, so obviously disclosing that stuff to that office is a violation of your basic right to privacy.

This is really elementary liberty stuff, so it's glaring to see Alex on the side of this issue that he is.

The other basic piece of this is that the government, if they merge all of that data together, it becomes a lot less secure in terms of hackers.

Yeah.

It becomes a MacGuffin.

It becomes the Godsey from

Fast and Furious.

Yeah,

it's already hacked.

Yeah.

So Alex is in a really bad spot here because he's been promoting or minimizing Palantir lately because the Trump administration had been working with them to create a database of undocumented immigrants in order to help speed up deportations.

Right.

This is something that Alex should have opposed on principle, but as we've discovered in his recent career, those principles he pretended to have were just an act.

This was the Trump administration expanding the surveillance and police states, two things that are the bedrock of Alex's career.

But he was fine because Alex knew that it wasn't going to hurt people that are like him.

It's only going to hurt people he doesn't care about.

Sure.

Now it's coming out that Trump wants to consolidate all this information that the government has about citizens, and Trump is getting some serious backlash from the right-wing base.

That would make sense.

This is a bad move on Trump's part, and because it's getting this kind of heat, Alex feels the need to weigh in, and he's chosen the absolute worst angle he can have.

Alex has made multiple documentaries with the title Police State.

He can't just come out and say that Palantira is okay because they're not that big of a company.

They had revenues of almost $3 billion last year, so it's not like this is some mom-and-pop outfit, and Alex needs to cut that shit right off.

I tried pretty hard to resist the sellout label in general, because a lot of times Alex's shifting positions can be explained in other ways, but this is impossible.

I dare say that I've listened to more of this guy's show than most people on this planet, and there's no way that I believe that Alex Jones, who started Infowars, could possibly reach the point where he's defending a company like Palantir, creating a database of U.S.

citizens, without him having some motivation to reach that point.

I don't know if it's desperation or if he's given up, but there's no way that this position on this core issue changes like this organically.

Doing things like supporting Trump or getting on board with Elon, those were wrong decisions for him to make, but they can be made sense of in Alex's world.

This cannot make sense without Alex abandoning a belief in the right to privacy.

And I think that's bullshit.

I don't think that there's any way that he can get there without core

denials of what his thing is built on.

Yeah, no, we, we, as,

as like fundamental as America, the idea is,

the thing that we can all agree on, regardless of your specifics about government, is that we're not housing soldiers.

The Third Amendment stands, you know, like that is fundamentally the, the, there's a separation between us and the government.

And now it feels like the government does not respect that separation at all.

Yeah.

And that's a problem.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think that living in a modern world requires updating some ideas that we have about privacy.

Sure.

But this isn't one of them.

No.

This is not.

This is not a complicated thing.

It's fascinating to me because I don't think it's possible to convince me that Palantir should exist.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, I understand the argument for why it shouldn't, it can't be like just,

I don't know, shot with a laser.

I understand that conversation, but there's no reason that you could give me that would be like, oh, well, obviously, Palantir has a purpose in this world that isn't evil.

I don't fully agree with you.

Only because, you know, there are positive things that their software and platforms facilitate.

And we'll talk about a little bit of that later on.

Sure.

But it can't be allowed to exist the way that it does.

That's for sure.

Right.

But in terms of logistic softwares and platforms, I don't know if they are inherently like, we got to get rid of them.

Right.

I don't know if there's no reason for it to exist.

There's reason for those to exist, but not for Palantir to exist.

Maybe.

Maybe.

That's my point here.

Palantir, the people, the business, should not exist.

What it makes can exist.

Yeah, what I'm saying is basically the same.

It can't exist the way that it does.

But the underlying product that it has created, someone else would create, most likely.

So, this kind of stuff really gets under my skin because while Alex was often wrong about the stories he covered and was almost always making things up, his underlying concerns about surveillance and privacy are valid points that someone should be stressing.

Someone like Alex should exist for that kind of reason.

But when you see the things that he's willing to betray now, you realize that a large part of the reason that we never got a decent person like Alex is because Alex was squatting on that real estate in the alternative media at a critical time in the development of new technologies.

When I hear Alex hand wave away concerns about Palantir, it bothers me because in those moments, I can see what was possible and how Alex represents a generational failure of counterculture.

This is such an indictment of the missed opportunity that Alex pretended to be.

That is a really interesting point of view on it.

The idea that were it not for the cuckoo of Alex

in the nest, it was possible for somebody,

for a real person to take that spot.

Well,

and we only know that now.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as it were, because I think that the actions of someone who wasn't full of shit and Alex probably looked fairly similar in 1996.

Sure.

You know?

Well, that would be, I think that would be the interesting

parallel reality to switch those two out.

Would it be that the fundamental characteristics that made this person real in the way that we would want them to be also would keep them from becoming a media empire in the way that Alex did?

It is because Alex was willing to give up everything

that he became the thing that it is.

Yeah, no,

I think that's a fascinating area that will be exciting to study once his story is over.

Sure.

But and once we can,

you know, study his brain.

CTE could be a big thing for everybody.

Or once he's, you know, in jail and I have to Clarice Starling him like Hannibal.

Oh, man.

That would be fun.

That would be a fun development for later in life.

Yeah.

I just I think

you know, it's obviously you'll never be able to prove a counterfactual kind of thing, but

I think that

you go back and you watch him in Waking Life and you can't really tell the difference between that and a guy who doesn't mean it.

Yeah.

It's really hard.

Yeah, no, I mean, that's,

yeah, I mean, you know, I was reading about,

I guess it'll come up again because fuck it.

The Yale Debate Club and all of that shit and just the just like the

emptiness of all of their words, how they don't care or mean anything they're simply there they're simply a a tool that they're using to obtain what they want it it it doesn't mean anything about the argument you know so like sure Alex will Alex Buckley they don't care what they say they're it's just a tool for obtaining shit yeah you know and for Buckley you know like in the debate

the debate the point is sure what's important in that in that context yeah For Alex, it's the narrative.

It's the storyline

that

supersedes everything around it.

Everything is negotiable, essentially.

So it's a bummer.

And I think that Alex trying to minimize and be like, hey, everybody, calm down about Palantir is fucking insane.

That's ridiculous.

I think it is an indictment.

And he is on this tip.

My point is, is that

all this hype about Palantir comes out of the Young Turks and out of the New York Times.

And I see

almost everybody in Patriot media spending half their time on Palantir.

And it's because you aren't informed.

You don't know all the pieces.

You're not real scholars.

In fact, I should ask Flynn.

I know what he'd say.

And it's not because Alex Karp, never met Alex Karp, but I've known about him for 15 years, know about Peter Thiel, all of that stuff.

Peter Thiel's been backing Trump massively.

The point is, is who else is Trump going to go to in Silicon Valley to try to surveil the government deep state and all the stolen money?

Yes, that's who they're.

So we run into a little issue here, which is based on my research.

I'm not certain that Alex knows what Palantir is.

Pretty much every instance I can think of outside of the recent Nick Fuentes interview involves Alex using the word Palantir to refer to the thing in Lord of the Rings.

Yes.

It's a crystal ball.

So when he's used the word in the past, it's often hard to tell if he even knows what the company does.

His understanding of Peter Thiel seems to be shallow and confined to he likes Trump.

So I sincerely don't know if Alex is playing dumb or is just that dumb.

I could possibly believe that Alex doesn't know what Palantir does, and he's just entirely checked out, and this is only like the lazy spin that he can muster.

But I have a problem with the Teal thing.

Alex can't really think that Palantir is a small company if he knows that Teal is behind it because you know he's been talking about Peter Thial since 2012.

In that election cycle, Teal was a big Ron Paul donor in the primary, which was suspicious because Thiel had previously attended Bilderberg meetings.

When Ron Paul lost, Thiel became the bad guy, and Alex spent the next stretch of his time arguing that he was trying to co-opt the libertarian movement on behalf of the globalists.

He went on to even have this conversation in 2012 with a caller.

Hannah in Canada, you're on the air.

Go ahead.

Hey, how are you, Hasam?

Ooh.

I'm having a heart attack today.

What's on your mind?

I can see that.

The only thing that I have to say is about the whole Ron Paul and Rand Paul thing.

My feeling is, and my husband's feeling, is imagine they did all this campaigning just to see who's on the opposition, basically, who is part of the resistance, and now they're planning ahead basically to put us down.

Well, that's what they say.

Peter Thiel the Bilderberg has bragged that he supported Paul just to map with computers who everybody is to then understand how to target them politically.

And I, yeah, yeah,

my God.

If this was some 20-year mole operation, that has to be looked at now.

That's what I mean.

That's why I'm so sick about this.

We have to open up an entire research operation now.

Alex's conspiracies about Peter Thiel involved him running companies that wanted to harvest your data for nefarious purposes going back 13 years to the point where he was ready to be like, uh-oh, maybe Ron Paul's a fucking mole.

Yep.

Over time, Alex softened on Teal and began to cast him as the guy who went to Bilderberg, but he wanted to change things from the inside.

Apparently, someone had told Alex that Teal was a fan of the show, and his opinion began to change pretty quick.

With Alex giving him an almost hands-off treatment when he became a major Trump donor, what you gonna do?

I don't know this for sure, but I think it might have been Max Kaiser who told Alex that Teal was a fan because they're both involved in Bitcoin

and have an overlap from that.

But, like,

this is insane.

I like the idea that Alex has become the place you go to for like indulgences.

You know, like, like, you know, it used to be the Borges.

If you were rich, you'd be like, hey, I fucked, you know, but I'll give you $1,000 and I still get to go to heaven.

Like, Palantir's like, I get we're evil, but if we pay Alex a million dollars, we're cool.

He'll run interference with the weirdos.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Exactly.

We still get to go to heaven.

He will clear the path from all of the dot connecting people by convincing them not to connect dots over here.

I don't know if that's the case.

Now Quintes is going to nail the 95 theses onto the InfoWars door.

I want to be totally clear about this.

I don't have any solid reason to think that...

Palantir is paying Alex or nothing like that.

I'm theoreticizing.

Yeah, yeah.

I just want people to not

necessarily come away with the impression that that's what I'm saying.

No, no, no.

This is not a conspiracy that you're building out of nothing.

It's just like,

this is a crazy development.

Yeah, there isn't a conspiracy here.

It's just fucking suspicious behavior.

Yeah, it's about as suspicious as it gets.

Yeah.

So, Alex, he

just wants to minimize this stuff.

Really, really

painted in a different light than maybe you would normally take it.

Elon's not involved in this golden dome thing that they're trying to give the contract to Palantir.

And the military industrial complex is pissed

because Palantir is the Johnny come lately.

And that doesn't mean that it's not a problem.

My God, all of it.

But I mean, you look at Sentinel, the Pentagon's AI.

You look at Google's AI, Microsoft's AI.

Grok is basically like Bill Gates now.

I'm not saying for math or science, it's really good up for that.

But I mean, you know,

it goes with authoritative sources, and that's the New York Times, the Washington Post, and Southern Property Law Center.

I mean, you know, Grok Grock basically disagrees with everything Elon Musk says.

Grock came out and was attacking me and Musk and everybody.

Oh, no, Bono never stole any money.

He never got USAID money.

Oh, no, just groups that USAID gave to gave to him.

Bono gives less than 1%.

Now it's a little bit above 1%, 1.2%,

to all this money he raises for the U.N.

I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it, Joe Rogan comes out and criticizes him because he says, oh, Elon Musk has killed 300,000 people at Doge, made up.

Not even a real study.

USAID doesn't even be involved in food, except for PR.

Aid doesn't even mean aid, it means development.

They mean develop the way they want to.

Yeah, they're not even involved in food.

Wild.

So it seems like Alex thinks that Palantir is just an AI like Grok, which is troubling.

Yeah.

It feels like Alex knows that he's on such unstable ground on this subject that he's desperately looking for anything else to talk about, like how Rogan talked shit about Bono.

This, to me, is a man

who is on a bad foundation.

I mean,

it's so wrong.

It's suspicious.

Right?

Like, if you're doing a true-false quiz and you get zero,

that's suspicious.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Just the law of averages would make you think.

Yeah, yeah, you can, you have to know what you're doing to get a zero.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, and like the fact that he's been aware of Palantir as a company.

He's been aware of Peter Teal for 13 years.

Yeah.

You can't really play ignorance.

They're knowingly called Palantir.

Right.

Not a good thing.

Yeah.

And numerous people that are, you know, Alex associated over the years have been very clear about opposition to Palantir.

Yeah.

Alex has been less, you know, he's less engaged in that necessarily, but like, he knows.

He can't play dumb.

Like,

there's a lot of stuff that I believe he can plausibly just pretend.

I don't know that.

Yeah.

You can't do that here,

which is weird.

It makes the actions more suspicious.

And then I think another element that we've already seen a little bit of, and we get more of,

that adds to that suspiciousness, is how hostile he is towards people who are like, hey, Palantir's bad news.

It's just extremely frustrating.

I mean, and what I love hearing about Palantir, almost everything I hear out of people's mouths is pure crap.

Absolute crap.

And you heard Flynn, AI runs everything, and it ain't Palantir.

Trump wants him to scan it for illegal aliens and all the rest of it.

And of course, it's real ID back from the Patriot Act era.

And I have guests on, and

we are trying to inform Trump.

But

my point is,

we need to be spending time on the big AI systems that are in and China's AI and all the stuff jacked into everything?

Because that's already going on.

That's already happening.

What do you think Palantir ran the vaccine passport systems?

No, they've already got it through these UN affiliates with Microsoft.

So you can be opposed to Chinese AI, Microsoft, and Palantir all at the same time.

It's very weird how Alex doesn't seem to think that's possible.

His behavior is really sketchy.

The way that Alex is scolding the audience for being worried about Palantir.

Even if I knew very little about this situation, I would see this, and the way he's acting would look really suspicious.

Yeah.

Incidentally, Palantir was awarded a government contract beginning in 2020 to build a platform called Tiberius, which, according to their own press release, was quote, a software platform the HHS uses to track vaccine production, distribution, and administration across the United States.

It was a giant part of the vaccine rollout.

In twenty twenty two, the CDC partnered with Palantir and their Tiberius program, which they called, quote, the digital operating system for the U.S.

public health response to the pandemic.

Later that year, Palantir received a five-year $443 million contract to bring together the multiple existing platforms that they provided for the Department of Health and Human Services under one functional umbrella.

So, when you're talking about like

why do they need to exist, there's stuff like this.

Sure.

In terms of facilitating the vaccine rollout and shit like that, their platforms are useful in those contexts.

So there are these positive things.

I still don't think that they should exist as they exist.

They certainly shouldn't exist as one large company that has all of these sort of tendrils going in different places.

Sure.

Like, you know, they're not all evil.

All right.

So imagine.

How do we get here?

All right.

So, COVID,

the disease, called Alex up in 2019 and was like, You got to work for us.

Here's what we'll pay you, right?

Palantir could do the same thing, and they're real,

right?

He may have made up a conversation with COVID where they paid him a lot of money, and that's why he decided to work for them.

But this is insane.

Yeah, this is this is as insane as being like, diseases are great.

Yeah,

I don't think that I personally feel like I'm comfortable suggesting that Alex is on their payroll or anything like that.

But I don't think that you can hear shit like this from someone who is Alex Jones and not immediately know he's lying.

Yeah.

And then you have to ask yourself the question, why is he lying?

Yep.

What the fuck is going on here?

And I...

I don't think that the only answer is Peter Thiel bought him off or something like that.

Sure.

I think that a perfectly valid suggestion might be he hopes Peter Thiel will pay him off.

I mean, yeah.

Or, you know, that could be.

I don't know.

There's other suggestions.

Like he worked, he worked for, obviously, he didn't work for COVID, but he worked for COVID because there was money in it for him.

Yeah.

You know, like that's what it was, that's what it was there for.

If he's working for Palantir now, again, a

figure of speech in the same way that he wasn't actually working for COVID,

then it has to be there's something, yeah, there's something for him.

There's something that he can get and extract from this.

Yeah, yeah.

There's a, in the same way that, like, it makes sense for him to cheerlead for Musk, even if Musk isn't giving him anything,

there's the potential of, like, there could be some money in this down the road.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that exists with Palantir,

too.

I don't, I, I,

it's a, it's nuts.

This is crazy.

His entire career makes this presentation unacceptable.

Yep.

And it it makes me stand by my theory that if George W.

Bush had just been a little bit more racist, Alex would have been thrilled with the Patriot Act.

He would have been totally fine with it.

Use it to round up all of the terrorists.

You never would have had a problem if he had a confidence that the

person

in the White House was really worried about white genocide.

You know,

it is interesting.

It is interesting, that point of view, because you say to yourself, you know, the obvious narrative is this, is the reaction to Obama you know that Trump obviously there's a one-to-one you can see the cause and effect but imagine what we're dealing with now is actually a reaction to the compassionate conservatism movement all of those people looking at the people right next to him going compassion what get the fuck out of here yeah you know that makes sense So Alex, you know, he's like, hey, man, everyone's all up in arms about Palantir.

Yeah.

Why?

That is a, I mean, not a good question.

Where is this hysteria coming from?

My point is, is that where did all the palantir craze come from?

The palantir scare, the palantir

hysteria.

This is why I thought the Democrats were going to lose the election.

Why they did, because people want to live in peace.

They want to go home.

They want to hear.

They don't want to hear your woke pagan ideology.

They want to know you're safe.

And I've got Carp, you know, the quotes I quoted.

I've got videos of him saying all that.

Oh, I helped crush the right wing in Europe and all the citizens.

Well, here's Marco Rubio.

Globalist EU forcing hate speech laws on Irish, given two months to comply.

Marco Rubio declares war on global censors, Trump threatening tariffs.

So

overall, Trump's doing a great job,

but AI's here.

Okay.

So the Palantir scare came from reporting that the Trump administration was working with them to create a database of U.S.

citizens, which tons of people from all political sides were not happy about.

Yeah.

Alex can pretend that this is some kind of manufactured hysteria or psyop all he wants, but that dog is not going to hunt.

I think that it's good for him to jump off into another subject like Marco Rubio and censorship.

Yeah, I mean, there's, it really doesn't get more obvious than the guy.

Oh, we're going to make a database of illegal immigrants.

You're probably going to use that responsibly, I assume.

Sure.

And we're also going to make one of you.

Oh, that's...

Hmm.

I think, okay, if I think you're going to use one irresponsibly, I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe you can't use any responsibly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can't use it responsibly.

There's no reason for it to exist.

Oh.

And other than to use it irresponsibly.

Yeah.

And the creation of it introduces a ton of externalities that could come about that are really dangerous.

Yeah.

So anyway.

We're on their team.

They seem nice.

Fucking stupid.

So look, Palantir is an AI.

It's scary.

But other AIs are scarier.

I guess that makes sense somewhere.

Not really.

No.

Overall, Trump's doing a great job,

but AI's here.

And there's an AI race.

And so the answer is independent AIs, true open AIs, not Sam Altman's fake open AI.

And

all of it's being programmed, it seems by the same evil force, because it all goes the same direction.

Because the globalists are all fighting with each other over the ring of Mordor, but nobody nobody wants to destroy the Ring of Mordor.

Nobody wants to get rid of the Palantirs.

Keep using Lord of the Rings analogies.

You really don't know what to do.

I'll get more into that later.

It's just mind-blowing

how truly illiterate people are.

I mean, do people even know what the Pentagon's AI is?

No.

Do you know about Sentinel?

It'll make Palantir look like a pop gun.

So, Palantir is trying to bid and trying to get deeper in and trying to get more power.

And that's why you hear about how it's the devil everywhere so that it can't get its nose in the trough.

And I'm not even saying have the trough.

I'm saying no why you hear Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir, Palantir.

Because you're being left on by the nose by the big globalist AI systems that are mad that Trump's trying to bring in Palantir more.

So, this is just something I can't believe Alex would put out without knowing he's lying.

It's implausible to think that he could be this clueless about what's supposed to be his big issue.

It would be,

I cannot believe it.

Yeah, I cannot believe it.

There's a level of stupidity and laziness that I can ascribe a lot of things to.

I don't find it plausible to put this in that case.

Even if

there was all the proof in the world, you know, that this was a truly stupid and I still won't believe it.

I simply cannot believe it because practically speaking, he has to know.

Yeah, it's a lie or a prank.

It's a little bit like the

fucking

business representative.

I understand maybe you personally don't know, but your InfoWars.

You have to know.

Yeah.

You have to.

Yeah.

I think that Alex on June 2nd could pretend not to know, but the past, he has lived his past.

Yeah.

He cannot not know this stuff.

Exactly.

As himself.

You were alive.

If we just are completely like, hey, maybe nothing outside the present moment is real.

Right, right, right, right.

Then sure.

Yes.

I'll go with you on it.

If we remove all of the past and future, if object permanence does not exist,

then you're cool.

Let's take solipsism further than anybody had ever imagined it could be.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's also Sentinel is an AI-powered platform that's run by Microsoft, which is built for security and cloud-based networks.

Alex is confusing this with the Pentagon Sentinel program, which is a modernization of our intercontinental ballistic missile.

Sure.

So I don't.

Again,

he might just be pretty fucking stupid and not know what a lot of this stuff is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, I think if there was one thing that I was doing, if I was Alex,

it would be trying to position myself as the leader of the Butlerian jihad.

You know, let's take them all out.

No AI left.

No AI ever.

Right.

Make no machine in the thinking mind of man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what Alex should be.

that's the tip he should be on.

Yep.

That's like, oh, they just don't want the palantir coming to the trough.

No, break the fucking trough.

Yep.

Like, he's using the ring of Mordor analogies.

I think that book could not be clearer.

Gotta destroy that fucking ring.

Gotta destroy it.

Yes.

Yeah.

It is not ambiguous.

Nope.

So Alex's take on this should be.

Fucking destroy them all unless you have evil intentions that you're trying to mask.

I don't know.

I'll tell you what.

The lesson of the book is not like, maybe you should just leave the ring at the bottom of the river.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's not find someone cool to give the ring to.

Not to

racist enough for your tastes.

Nope.

Nope.

Can't do it.

Can't do it.

Galadriel can't even do it.

So Trump is doing a lot of great stuff.

Sure.

Ah.

Alex seems to be bringing up a lot of stuff that he's not doing great on, but he's doing great.

I haven't heard anybody bring up anything he's doing great on.

Oh, well, well, get ready for a counterexample of something he's not doing so great on.

Okay.

So we're seeing a lot of good out of the Trump administration, but also some of the state Republicans with Democrats in Florida and New York passing or close to passing laws that throw you in prison for anti-Israel speech that is un-American.

You should be able to have a Hamas flag if you want if you're an American citizen.

Now, if you're here, some leftists being paid for with taxpayer money ship their asses out.

Got too many foreigners here.

They've been brought in here and turned against the country.

But

this is a serious situation, obviously.

So that's the bottom line.

Castone Cold said so.

I mean.

So it really seems like Alex should be more angry about the idea that there are states that he thinks are making it illegal to criticize Israel.

Isn't he a free speech guy?

Seems very important to him.

It's nice that he thinks you should be allowed to have a Hamas flag, but he doesn't seem nearly as passionate about defending the First Amendment as he is about defending Palantir.

This is crazy.

It is weird.

This is a weird day.

He should be throwing shit about the idea that you could go to jail for criticizing Israel.

This is, I mean,

yeah.

It's so uncomplicated.

Yeah.

It's leaning towards my territory where people are like, oh, Jordan, things are black and white.

I'm with you always.

Sometimes.

Eh, how about maybe this one's black and white, bro?

There's a lot less ambiguity around where Alex's position should certainly be.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I do think it's fun that Alex believes that if you're on a student visa and you're legally in the United States, you should not be allowed to have left-leaning politics.

I mean,

all of what he just said was negated whenever he's like, well, yeah, some people shoot him out of here.

Get him out of here.

Too many foreigners.

Listen, here's what happens.

I understand what you think you're saying, but what you're actually saying is that everybody should come to you on an individual case-by-case basis as to whether or not they are sufficiently loyal enough to stay or leave based on your personal weird-ass metrics.

Yeah.

Of course, you don't believe that.

I think he does.

Of course, but he's an idiot.

Yeah,

I think he emotionally believes it.

Exactly.

I think that it would end up leading to so many situations where he would not be able to defend it.

Right.

It's emotionally satisfying to be like, yeah, students shouldn't have free speech.

If you're in our country,

it is so funny to me how often people who hate the government-making bureaucracies make huge pronouncements that would require a massive bureaucracy to oversee and implement.

But here's the thing: it wouldn't if you just don't let anyone in the world.

There you go.

It would only require a massive bureaucracy to keep people out.

Oh, sure.

But isn't that fun?

That is fun.

That is a more fun bureaucracy to make.

Yeah, you're right.

So Alex has another guest on the show.

Okay.

And I thought this was shit.

We have Victor Boot,

very famous businessman and soldier

from Russia to give the Russian perspective on the Russian Pearl Harbor that happened.

Yesterday.

Yeah, that's cool.

That's the guest you'd want to get.

You know, we want to hear

the rational Russian voice.

Let's get notorious arms dealer, international criminal,

Victor Boot, on the fucking show.

I'm not saying that we wouldn't.

We still would have been very angry at Pearl Harbor if we were already at war,

but far less surprised, right?

Sure.

And it would probably be more like, we have fucked up in allowing this to happen, as opposed to those fuckers took us by surprise.

Let's go ape shit.

You know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know how Russia could pretend to not be surprised by almost any attack that Ukraine could make at this point.

It would be very reasonable of them to consider the war they're in

and the seizing of territory.

The goals of both teams are to get more non-people alive on the other team.

Especially military folk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know?

Pretty important to them.

Yeah, I think that it would be wildly different, too, if these were civilian targets that Ukraine had hit inside Russia.

These were like their planes.

Yeah, if it was like a tourist destination,

like that's weird.

The conversation would be, I think, a bit different.

And I think that there's still room within this conversation to be like, it's pretty fucked up.

It's fairly lucky from everything that I've seen that.

These drones were able to be operated as efficiently as they did.

Sure.

And they didn't end up killing a ton of people accidentally.

That seems to happen a lot with drones.

Right.

And I think for that reason, it's something that we shouldn't be just giving a pass to.

Sure.

It's a form of warfare that's incredibly scary about the implications and all that.

And I don't not understand that or see that angle.

Sure.

It's meaningless.

And I don't care what Victor Boot has to fucking say about any of this.

Yeah.

I mean, let's face it, if you start a war, you have to take responsibility for the

war part.

Right.

And if you're Alex Jones, don't interview the guy who the fucking movie Lord of War is based on.

I mean, like, because here's, if you ask me, you know, somebody like just a regular guy, you know, like, hey, um,

how do we get them to stop blowing up our planes?

I would be like, don't be at war with them.

Just say, like, no more war.

No war.

I don't want your shit anymore.

And then they will stop blowing you up.

It's like so simple.

It would work.

I think.

I think it's really good.

Yeah.

So

I'm not going to play any of Victor Boot's interview because

I think we get what his perspective is going to be.

Probably going to be fairly on the side of Russia.

Yeah.

I don't think it's going to be a

well-reasoned argument.

So a bit later in the show, Alex comes back to the subject of Palantir.

And I think that he can't quite figure out what he's even saying.

Everybody's asking me about Palantir, Palantir.

And

when you look at it and you understand it,

Palantir and the surveillance systems and the AI and all of it has been an outlier from the bigger companies.

And it's been wanting to get big contracts.

And Trump wants to use it to track illegal aliens and stuff.

And the real ID that they're trying to bring in that's terrible

that never got implemented because it's unconstitutional.

So I've been critical of all of that, and I obviously don't trust Palantir and the rest of the stuff it's doing.

But it is small compared to all the other big AI and the Pentagon, Sentinel, and all the rest of it.

The reason you're seeing the attacks on it everywhere is because it's trying to get contracts

that other big tech companies already have, and because

Palantir has been supportive of Trump.

And so, yeah, Trump is going to them

because they've been supporters.

But all this hype about Palantir, all of these systems can be used for control.

All these systems are out of control.

All the AIs are woke.

So Palantir is being used to

run AI drones, killing people in Gaza.

All of it's very concerning.

But why do people know about Palantir and nothing else?

Well, that's because it comes from the left only focusing on Palantir

because it's seen as something being brought in to surveil the government itself and to try to find ways for audience.

That's what Trump wants it for.

What?

So in just that minute and a half clip, Alex proposes two seeming contradictions.

The first has to do with what Trump wants to use Palantir for.

Is it for tracking immigrants or is it for some sort of globalist corruption hunt?

Alex can't figure out what to use to justify his plea for the conspiracy audience to ignore Palantir, mostly because every explanation he can come up with for what Trump wants to do with them is suspicious as hell, and it's pure conspiracy bait.

If this is about tracking immigrants, then Alex's audience should know that it's only a matter of time until that's used against citizens.

That's the entire premise of his fight against gun registration, or the thing that he's very stupidly reminding the audience about in this episode, the real ID.

If it's about internal spying inside the government, then that picture's pretty dictator-ish.

So you can see that Alex has to dance around this and keep it a bit vague as to why Trump wants this, because

all of the explanations lead back to Trump looking pretty shitty.

I mean, yeah.

The second contradiction is the shifting explanation for why people are mad about Palantir, which is an attempt to tell the audience that this whole thing's a psy up and they should refrain from making connections about this company.

At one point, the other AI companies are mad that Palantir is getting the contracts that they want, so they're attacking them.

That's all you're experiencing is these people being mad they're losing contracts.

At another point, it's because the left is demonizing them, because they're friendly to Trump.

This is just all about attacking Trump.

Alex is all over the place here because he's doing that thing where he's throwing a ton of spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks.

He has a clear point that he's pushing toward, which is getting the audience to deprioritize making conspiracy theories about Palantir.

He's not too picky about what works in achieving that.

None of the particulars matter that much because Infowars is a medium that's narrative-driven.

So long as the narrative that Palantir isn't a big deal gets through to the audience, that's all that's really important.

So he's trying whatever he can.

It's scattershot.

Yeah.

It's suspicious.

It reminds me of the way

people behave when they've clearly been scammed out of a lot of money, but are too embarrassed about it.

Like Alex doing repeated segments about the Nigerian emails.

You better believe it.

Just that feeling of like, you will accept any reason, any, I'll say anything other than, ah, shit, I fucked up.

Anything.

I will say fucking anything other than just admitting for five seconds, you know what?

We fucked up on this one.

We thought this thing was going to work and it didn't work, so now we'll do a different thing.

Can't do it.

Cannot do it.

Yeah.

Can't hear this as anything other than Alex

really really putting on a show.

I don't think that this can be consistent with what

he's

preached.

I don't,

that's the part that really frustrates me, is that like

Alex's show is about creating connections between things that aren't connected.

He's trained the audience, and the entire exercise in media criticism and

news coverage is to connect unconnected things to prop up narratives that are advantageous for him.

So when he's actively discouraging the audience from making connections about something,

that

it kind of sticks out like a sore thumb.

It doesn't mean that...

It doesn't mean that that is a conspiracy in and of itself or that there's a connection that needs to be built there.

But

your brain definitely, definitely craves an explanation for why he's acting like this.

Yeah, like, I can't imagine a situation.

Like, maybe, maybe contextually

he could, like, suss it out now.

But I imagine if he was, like, clockwork oranged to end game, his own fucking movie, and just had to watch it from start to finish.

And I know that's a long three and a half hours or whatever it is,

infinity time.

But, and then to have like me read an exact transcript of what he just said.

There's no way he could be like, ah, I'm on that guy's team, right?

It couldn't be possible.

No.

And then you reveal dramatically, ha ha ha,

these are your words.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is the end of the path that you have decided to follow, where you chase clout, you chase profit, you chase all of this stuff in

opposition to maintaining the principles that you pretended to base your career on.

This is the inevitable outcome of you being full of shit.

Yeah.

And

I think that would be a crazy kind of hell to have to live in.

It feels like

rather than reading 1984 or like

Brave New World, he should have read more Faust.

Should have just really focused on those devil's bargains.

Like just mainly devil's bargain-based literature should have been his pure focus.

I'm sure he'd just be like, I already did this.

I don't need to read this somehow.

No, but that's the thing about learning.

Nah.

So, you have one last clip here, and Alex is doing more rationalization for,

yeah, just leave Palantir alone.

That's fine.

Jesus.

Trump admin tasked Palantir with expanding U.S.

surveillance state.

And the New York Times and all of them are all over it.

Palantir's deepening government ties spark fears of centralized surveillance.

And you've got the owner of it, the CEO of it, with all his statements about crushing the right wing in Europe and all the rest of it.

I got serious concerns.

It's just that

endless hyping about it and only focusing on it is coming out of the left.

And the populist anti-globalist movement

has taken it absolutely hook, line, and sinker.

So, Alex's premise here is sneaky.

The basic idea you're supposed to get as a viewer is that Palantir may not be the best, and yeah, maybe the head of it said he wanted to crush the right wing in Europe, but they're not as bad as some of these other companies like Google.

It's an appeal to the lesser of two evils argument, which seems to be increasingly the only way that Alex can justify anything.

The argument Alex is making is meant to obscure the fact that what he's proposing is a false choice.

It's not the case that we're choosing between Google or Palantir to create a centralized database of citizens that breaks down the information silos that serve to protect our privacy if it were an inevitable reality that this was something that was going to be made then maybe we should quibble about what contractor the government uses but the point the other side is making is that this doesn't need to happen all of these companies can be good or bad it doesn't matter because this is a thing that we're not gonna accept That's the position you'd expect someone like Alex to have, and yet his main priority seems to be arguing against people who hold that position.

When Alex used to say that he was above the left-right paradigm, part of what he meant is that the media and government was presenting people with a false choice.

They were acting like a world government was inevitable, so it was just a matter of choosing between a left-wing appearance or a right-wing appearance and how that government looked.

Alex transcended this false choice by trying to wake you up out of the trance so you could see that the world government wasn't inevitable, and the globalists only wanted you to to think that so you wouldn't realize the true choice you had, which was to reject world government and embrace liberty, or not.

Those were the choices you had.

You're given a false choice to make their conclusion inevitable.

It was a fun and compelling sales pitch, but ultimately it's a bunch of bullshit, and you can easily see Alex is using the same tactics against his audience that the imaginary enemies he has used to use against them.

He's presenting the expansion of the surveillance state as an inevitable thing that's going to happen.

Tyranny is inevitable, so let's make sure it's a friendly face that we have controlling that tyranny.

What I'm saying is that I don't believe it's possible that he doesn't understand what he's doing.

I don't want to get too deep in any conspiracy theory waters of my own, so I don't want to say he's getting paid off by Palantir or Peter Thiel, but this

behavior is too much of an outlier.

It's not explainable by coincidence, it's not explainable by mere stupidity or unawareness.

Here's my best evidence, right?

The laziest possible thing he could do is just say, yeah, they suck.

You know?

Like, he's putting in effort.

And I don't see him put in effort unless he's getting paid for it.

And

this is where things also get really weird.

Since he's been back on Twitter, so much of what he does is just go along with what the hot topic is in the dumb right-wing Twitter space.

Yep.

And a lot of those figures are pretty mad about this idea that Trump is working with Valentier to create a database of citizens.

Yeah, because it's obvious.

So Alex is going against the grain.

of a lot of the Twitter momentum that he normally follows, which again makes this an outlier.

It's an inconvenient position for him to have.

The laziest thing to do is be like, yeah, they suck.

And it's the laziest thing to do within his own ideology is to go, yeah, fuck those guys, or just dismiss them entirely as not having any importance.

Like if his argument is they're too small, then here's how you make that argument.

Yeah, fuck them.

Yeah.

Who cares?

They're too small, right?

You don't go like, they're too small.

Also, here's another thousand reasons why i think that they and you ridiculous

people complaining about it are un uh you're illiterate yeah to then push it back upon the the person who's very obviously saying the the right thing is being an idiot insane yeah to have to have um that kind of a response to someone expressing the fundamental privacy and surveillance concerns yeah that your career is based on yeah

is glaring it's absurd yeah yeah And I don't know what to do with these feelings because I honestly have no evidence and nothing strong to go on or any, any even like my heart doesn't even necessarily feel like Alex is on some kind of payroll.

Sure.

I legitimately don't.

And I don't want people to walk away with that impression.

Sure.

But I do think that this

is a behavior that is

indicative of Alex's is

he's not himself.

Like,

to whatever degree he ever was.

Right, right, right, right.

I mean,

it is a blow to the belief that things happen in response to something.

If this is just a random, if, like, if it's maybe just randomness dominates the universe, and so anything can happen at any given point in time, which is fine.

But this would be so ridiculous.

This is, this is getting struck by lightning 18 times in a row on a Tuesday, the same Tuesday every year for 18 straight years.

Yeah, but given the

infiniteness of the universe, that's not impossible.

It's not impossible.

That's fine.

But if it happens, I'm going to say that it's not just randomness.

That's what I'm going to do.

And I think it's okay for you to hold that position a little bit stronger than me, but

I need a bit more evidence, but I do think that this is shady.

It sticks.

Yep.

It stinks.

And I think that it's

something that we're going to have to

know it lives in the background of our brain.

Like Alex killed Gene Heckman.

This is something that is going to have to live there as we see what the fuck happens.

What the fuck's going on?

As

these connections and alliances break down with Musk and Trump and Putin.

what

variable is you like?

You're kind of supportive of Palantir.

Yep.

It's weird.

So let's see.

What month is it?

Early June.

Wow.

I don't know if it's a surprise that they lasted this long or that it's falling apart this fast.

I think it's both.

I think it's both.

It's a little bit of both, isn't it?

Yeah.

So we'll check back in and see where Alex is at, see if he starts doing commercials for Palantir.

Why Why not?

But until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's KnowledgeFight.com.

Yep.

We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.