#1043: May 24, 2025

Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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It's time to pray.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Dan and George.

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Stop it.

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Andy.

Andy.

It's time to pray.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a fish turn color over here saying I love your room.

Knowledge fight.

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I love you.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

I'm going to give you this.

And

I'm going to give it to you, Raw.

Don't, don't, do, okay.

I'm serious.

Okay.

I'm pointing at you.

I understand.

I don't have a bright spot today, but I have a dark spot.

Okay.

And it's me.

But Jesus,

this is deep.

Here's what happens.

Okay.

I was ordering some food the other day.

Yeah.

Went with Jack in the Box.

Right.

Because I love a Jack in the Box taco.

You really do.

I like to feel bad.

Yes.

I noticed that they had a BOGO situation.

A buy one, get one on a spicy chicken sandwich.

Oh, no.

So I took advantage of this.

Yes.

And it was great.

Everything was fine.

Sure.

But I ate one and I intended to leave the other for later.

Okay.

So I put it in the refrigerator.

No.

And then was presented with the dilemma of reheating in the microwave a spicy chicken sandwich

from Jack in the Box.

And I did it, and I ate it, and I feel like shit.

Do you mean about the thing or as a physical?

Yeah.

It's good for my stomach.

No, that makes sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Why did I.

I should have thrown it away.

I understand.

I had eyes too big for my stomach with getting two spicy chicken sandwiches.

I don't know why you did that.

I did it intentionally to have one for the next day.

Right.

And that was foolish.

Right.

It was stupid.

It was hubris.

And I paid the price.

It makes sense.

It makes sense.

I've ordered more pizza than I need because I like a good cold pizza.

I enjoy that, right?

It makes sense.

It's a little different, maybe.

It is a little bit different from Jackie LeVon.

Just chicken in general.

I don't know if you want to eat cold chicken on a pizza.

Maybe you do.

I don't know.

Anyway,

yeah.

So I've had a rough little bit of stomach.

I believe you.

But hey, you know, you live and you learn.

Yeah.

Or you don't.

Yeah.

I'll probably do it again.

Yeah, you just keep living.

What's your bright spot?

My bright spot, I'm going to have to go back to tennis.

We talked the last time.

You were like, oh, this is a fairly tepid bright spot.

My friend, I was wrong.

I was wrong.

This is a great tournament.

This is one of the best.

I don't think you were saying it was a bad tournament.

No, you were just coming in with a little bit of low energy.

I was.

Now

this has been a ridiculously good French Open.

Well, see, here's what's happened.

You've realized that this isn't about the legends of the past.

Sure.

This is a new story that's being begun by this new generation, and now you're invested in it.

I think, I wonder if that's the case or if they are.

Maybe, because

we talked about this a little bit, like without Rafa,

there's just an infinitely more chance you might win the French Open.

Right.

Right.

And a lot of the players you felt were playing with a PTSD of having lost to Rafa so many times that they just don't even think winning is possible.

Right, right, right.

At least in some circumstances, because there's very clearly, and I watched the match today between Alcarath and Ben Shelton, and it was great.

It was such a great match, and both of them were playing very well.

And the thing about one-on-one individual sports at the absolute highest level is that sometimes the difference between people is just one person actively wins this shot,

whereas the other person does it.

They both win it.

It could be like a margin of error, basically.

Except this person always does it.

Except it doesn't matter.

Federer was playing, you know, you're playing five sets.

You've played an incredible match against Federer, but he's going to win.

Because when it comes to that point where you win, he wins it.

That kind of thing.

And that was the difference.

Alcaraz just has that.

He's just got it.

But he didn't have it against

Rafa.

No, because nobody.

And that's why it was so fun to watch Rafa, Federer, and Djokovic play each other.

Because what happens when all of them have it?

They all have that little bit.

They've all got that little bit.

So then it turns into like a literal, like, these people are trying to die.

Yeah.

You know?

I'm sure that tennis match that you're describing was good.

It was great.

But I have to say that Ben Sheldon is not a good name.

It's not a good name.

Shelton.

Even still.

These people have exciting names like Rafa, Djokovic.

Sure.

Alcatraz.

Yep.

All of these are fun fun names.

Agassiz.

Runa.

Right?

That's a great.

Holger Runa.

That's a name.

I've been

Shelton.

It's all right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Get off the tennis court.

He's a.

Is he flashy?

Oh, my God.

He's great.

Okay.

He's like six foot four.

He hits a serve at about 145 miles an hour.

Okay.

On the reg.

It's fun to watch.

And he's a lefty.

Big south paw.

Yeah, yeah.

He needs a new name then.

He does.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

Sure.

We're going to be talking about our prime dingdong.

All right.

And I will say, this is actually a rare instance where I think that I'm doing something by request.

Okay.

Because some people wanted

some coverage of this thing.

And so I'm doing it.

Okay.

And we'll talk about that here in a second.

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

That's a great idea.

So, first, Northern Rainbow Readers and Writers event.

It's August 20th to 24th in Toronto.

Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, birthday shout-out to Lego Kid from Star Trek Mom.

Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And King Gizzard and the lizards.

Wizards, lizard gizzards got wizarded by lizard people.

Thank you so much.

You're an out policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Fuck you.

And we got a technocrat in the mix, so thank you so much, too.

Dan, please remember to buy a coat while they're on sale.

Thank you so much.

You're an out technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark.

Bomb bomb bomb bomb bump.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

Yes, thank you very much.

I'm riding high on an intense hubris from going the winter without buying a coat.

Yeah.

It is now past winter.

It is.

And

I feel like I pulled something off.

Are we outside the Bellagio right now?

Yeah, yeah, we got away with

Ocean's 11 style.

And everybody who's reminding me to buy a coach, it's well-intentioned.

Naysayers.

No, no.

It's well-intentioned.

And

I'm glad that they have that thought.

But every time I hear it, I just get a haha.

Right.

That's coat server suckers.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep, yep, yep.

So we're going to be talking about the 24th, May 24th, Alex's Alex's Saturday show.

All right.

And the second half of it is him in his backup studio.

Okay.

The Alex Jones network studio.

Right.

With Chase Geyser.

Okay.

And

they're talking some heavy stuff.

Oh, my God.

We're going to get into some heavy things

on this episode because they're just broing out.

They're just broing out.

Yeah.

Good.

Honestly.

Good.

I'm kind of, yeah, I'll be interested in this.

It highlights an inherent problem that

we're going to feel as this goes on.

And that is that sober McGurk isn't good.

Yeah.

Brendan needs McGurk, and McGurk needs to be drunk.

Right.

And their dynamic doesn't really hit quite as well when Alex isn't in the sauce.

Yeah, that's just, that is a struggle.

Yeah.

So he starts off, and instead of being drunk, he is

fucking so tired from working on his abs.

And thank you for joining us on this Saturday afternoon emergency transmission from our podcasting studio section of the Alex Jones network backup system.

If the bad guys are successful shutting down InfoWars, which they're trying to do as early as June 6th, I'm in federal court.

I'm in state court.

Just type my name into Google if you want to follow all of it.

They do not want it sold to anybody.

They say they want it closed.

They say they do not want money.

And then there's separately all of the news saying, we're finally going to get our money closing InfoWars, which isn't even worth a half million dollars of equipment.

Most equipment's like seven, eight, nine, ten years old.

So, this is all separate.

This is paid for by the folks at Bigley and the Alex Jones network's not owned by me.

Realalcones.com is not owned by me.

The Alex Shones Store.com is not owned by me.

And that is going to finance the new company and the new folks and the new owners and the same crew right out of Austin, Texas.

And the very folks we're working with, you'll hear those announcements soon, are already moving in and closing on the building they're getting.

And so regardless, even if InfoWars gets saved, we're going to move into better facilities and everything.

This is just a bridge

in that process.

So they thought all their attacks were going to shut us up.

When I did,

let's not exaggerate.

When I did probably about 1,000 reps of abs today, today was an ab day.

When I did about 1,000

ab exercises today, I did it because I love the country and I love my children.

I want to be here for a long time.

I did it because the enemy wants to break me and make me miserable.

I am the happiest I have ever been.

I believe it.

Sounds true.

Yep.

When I think about happy people, I think about people who talk exactly like that.

Yeah,

people who are convincing.

Yep.

Yep, yep, yep.

You know, I just love, I did this crunch because I love America.

There's sit-up for America.

I've never been in a situation where somebody has engendered confidence in me by saying, I love something.

That is why I have done crunches.

I've never been like, I believe you.

Let's be conservative a thousand.

That makes me believe you less.

Cool.

So I think that if all of this is true,

I don't care about the abs, but like if this stuff about his business is true, I want to get a look at those contracts.

Yeah.

Because he has to be on their payroll then.

Right?

I mean, like, if Big Lee and other people own all these companies, he must be an employee.

I I wonder what he's getting.

I wonder what the cut is.

I wonder how all of this works out because it's probably pretty scammy.

Yeah.

And also, I think it's kind of funny: the idea that if these companies then wanted to offload the Alex Jones store, the Alex Jones network, or whatever, they could sell it to somebody, and Alex is still on contract.

Yep.

So if someone wanted to do something really, really funny, I think I'd need about $20 million

and and I could buy Alex Jones.

Well, that wouldn't be the worst thing I've heard.

I feel like we're in a situation where,

all right, so the ending of Old Yeller.

Tragic.

Quite.

Very, very sad.

But

I think if we all stop and we just sit down with our feelings, we prefer the ending to Old Yeller to being like, well, let's watch Old Yeller decay into a horrid, poisonous mess until it dies.

And then we go, wow, we should really just shoot this dog in the head, right?

Well, we don't want to get there.

I think that old Yeller, one of the things that we miss out on because of the way that story is told, is when Old Yeller got swole and did a bunch of crunches.

See,

I think maybe we just skipped that part.

I think we should have just handed InfoWars an old Yeller pass and just moved on with our lives.

Yeah.

But now we're watching the desiccated corpse gather flies.

Yep.

So that's nice.

And part of that gathering flies process involves making fantastic promises about what your God

named Trump is going to do.

Abs.

Like give everyone free energy.

Okay.

I want to get into Trump and I want to get into his announcements of the super technology, super energy.

We control time and space.

We have weapons you wouldn't believe.

Well, I don't just believe Trump.

I know theoretically that everything the theoretical physicists, the quantum mechanics in the 1890s said they could do by the 1940s, they could do.

And then the theoretical physics,

all that stuff you see in Star Trek and all that was people looking at the physics and extrapolating out what can be done.

And continually, whatever you can theoretically lay out with enough technology and upscaling, we're able to do.

Yeah, man, if you could just imagine things, then eventually they're true.

Whatever you could lay out with enough scaling.

Okay.

Anything that is hard sci-fi is now possible.

Now that's possible.

It happened.

It's real.

I would suggest that once we become able to control time and space, which Trump says we can, we should have fewer worries about all the time and all the space that we're dealing with right now.

You know what I'm saying?

If Trump has come out and announced that we've conquered time and space.

Yeah.

then our realities should be a lot different than they were.

I mean, at the very least, he should be using that power for more evil.

Like, we should be in a horrid monster, like,

evil Wiley kind of castle.

Either a lot of our problems should be solved or he should be way worse.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely.

Time and space should not be in his control at all.

Yeah.

I do like the premise, though, that Alex is working off of, which is this, like, if someone wrote a sci-fi book 30 years ago and they kind of had a rationale for why the thing that's in it is based based on science.

Yeah.

Then we can do it.

Star Trek's been done.

It's already done.

We did it.

Yeah.

I wonder what he would be like if he had gotten into steampunk instead of hard sci-fi.

You know, like, what if he had looked backward and forward at the same time?

I feel like it might have been better.

We might have like high-speed rail by now.

Yeah.

Like, he might have been advocating for that instead of yelling about this stupid road in his documentaries.

We should have dealt with the Ayn Rand people by just giving them railroads, you know, and then just like, leave us alone.

We'll handle all other transportation situations.

Sure.

So there's things that are happening.

Like Trump has announced that we've conquered time and space.

Sure.

And China, they have their own sun.

What?

There's a lot of free energy systems that obviously can be used for weapons.

There's a lot of

technologies.

I mean, hell, they were making artificial black holes in the 70s and admitting it.

Just look that up.

I mean, China launches artificial suns, you

at beach parties for the government, which is very dangerous, by the way, to get out of control.

They can create strange-looking

holes, superconducting hadrion, superconducting supercollider.

All of that really is Buck Rogers and beyond, and we are in the year 2025.

So, Alex is reporting that China launched a new sun, like it was done because it was overcast on a day when the government wanted to go to a beach party.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The real story here is that they set a record for the longest maintained stable nuclear fusion reaction at 17 minutes and 46 seconds.

They did this at their experimental advanced superconducting Takamak reactor, which is colloquially called an artificial sun.

This reactor has been operating in China since 2006.

Because of the way that Alex is covering this and the details that he's adding in, it's hard to imagine that he knows anything about this story past him skimming a tweet that said artificial sun, and then he just made up the rest from there.

Yeah, but that's that's it's fun.

I mean, it is fun.

I

would like to live in a world where someone has control over time and space

and another person has an artificial son available.

Right.

That would be great.

And unfortunately, it's going to lead to a superhero clash between is time travel better than nuclear sons, like having your own son.

Right.

And as we all know, eventually questions this big come down to two individuals punching each other.

Yep.

Yep.

And time travel travel wins.

Yes, absolutely.

Because then you can go back.

Because you can go back.

Yeah.

Make them not able to have that sun.

And then you'll have a Groundhog Day thing where you have to go back too much, and then you got a great time loop movie, and then you move on.

And you get kind of sad for a while, but then you figure out how to

change yourself so you're nicer.

Andy McDowell likes you, and then everything's cool.

Okay, so say tomorrow Trump has a 180.

Do we just assume that he got trapped in a time loop?

That or a concussion.

Okay.

Yeah, probably.

All right.

So, Alex,

now, obviously, having discussed some very real and very important things,

starts talking about interdimensional entities.

Of course.

Now, when I talk about interdimensional entities, that's in all the ancient text of all the ancient cultures.

And these things would just appear and disappear.

And then you understand quantum mechanics and physics, and they've tested that out now, how particles go in and out of this universe.

And when we observe them, it affects them.

And there's a lot of different

tests that can be done on that and different ways.

And we know the dark matter

is way more powerful energetically than even the third dimension and that it's holding this dimension in place.

Of course, theoretical physicists 100 years ago postulated that.

Now with all these advanced instruments, they're able to read that and track that.

So

the future is here.

It's just not evenly distributed.

And I was told that eight years ago, Trump was going to try to start digging into this and deploying it.

as a real way to innovate and get us out of debt and things like that.

If you think the computers of the 80s and 90s caused a boom, that is child's play compared to free energy or zero-point energy or different

types of things along those lines.

Alex loves talking this shit, but I really don't think he has any idea what any of it means.

I have zero confidence that he could coherently answer the question, what is the observer effect?

If an interviewer asked him, he has a couple of these buzzwords that he throws out to make this bullshit sound scientific and scholarly, but I've watched Reset Wars.

I know that he doesn't understand any of these concepts in more than a superficial sense.

And I think that that's where you can tell that, like, he knows that what he's saying is a fraud.

If you knew that interdimensional entities were popping in and out of our reality and that we have the science to explain it and harness that, you would learn more about that.

Alex believes that superpowers are real, they're attainable, and that science explains them.

But then he seems to know all of the

total awareness of this subject is vague references to the observer effect, Max Planck, and dark matter.

I don't believe that he would be so uncurious about this field of study if he actually believed that it was a portal to other dimensions full of probably demonic beings.

And his lack of actual interest leads me to suspect that he doesn't really believe any of this stuff.

He just knows that it's the best way for him to seem interesting and to mask his Christian fundamentalism that's at the base of all of his beliefs.

But also, when he says that the future is here, it's just unequally distributed, that's literally the point of that article looking forward to the end of humanity that he constantly cites as the globalists sending secret messages to people.

That's the point of it.

Yeah.

Is that access to

increasingly effective medical technologies is not equally distributed across the world and across class lines.

Yep.

So maybe you should read the articles that he

fearmongers about.

You know, you bring up a good point.

If it were real, he would care a lot more.

Yeah.

Right?

He would have a depth of knowledge.

And I've realized that that's kind of my view on why I feel like people who are concerned about magic and witches and the like should just like look at me.

If magic were real, I'd be way into that shit.

Sure.

I would be into lightning bolts.

I would find a way because magic is real.

Like, you wouldn't even have to worry about, am I telling you the truth or not?

I don't give a shit about you.

I care about lightning bolts for me.

Right.

Right.

And you've looked into it a little.

Yeah.

And if I was real, I'd be way shooting lightning bolts.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I think that

the difference between you and Alex is that you don't pretend that you can shoot lightning bolts.

I'm disappointed that I can't shoot lightning bolts.

Yeah, Alex has just decided it's impossible to shoot lightning bolts, but I'll tell everyone I can.

Yeah.

And that strikes me as dishonest.

It's one way to get rich, but it doesn't feel good.

It doesn't feel as good, I would assume, as shooting lightning bolts out of your fingers.

Yeah, probably not.

That's probably just like licking a battery.

It's probably just so good.

Yeah, it's probably great.

Yeah.

Or it's terrible and it's like being electrocuted.

That's also possible, yes.

So the aliens, sure.

The interdimensional beings.

Right.

Do they have to be?

Well, I suppose they would be by definition alien, even if they weren't from another planet.

They're from another dimension.

No, no, no, you're right.

I'm in.

I'm in.

That's on me.

And so they helped the Nazis get technology.

Sounds right.

Again, of course, government's always looking at it from a weapons perspective.

If you think the atomics of the 40s were bad, they could destroy life on the surface of the earth.

That looks like a pop gun compared to what these technologies can do.

But I'm not specifically looking at those different secretive classified technologies.

The U.S.

is obviously way more advanced than others.

The question is why.

It's why I heard that Greg Reese report earlier

that really gets to the heart of just the German line of that and where they said it came from.

And I've read those texts, and that's in the history.

They believe they were getting it channeling aliens.

But you say, well, you're crazy.

This is top scientists in Germany, you know, 100 years ago, just a little more than 100 years ago.

That was all the rage then was mind power.

But then, whatever they were given either was already pre-programmed into our subconscious mind, we were just channeling what had already been put there epigenetically because we did it before, and it just took on in the mind that it was aliens or the Aryans,

or were they really channeling interdimensionally this information?

And that's what they do at Skull and Bones, what they do at Bohemian Grove.

That's what this is all really about.

And the aliens, always throughout history and culture, or the deities, the gods, the star men, always demand human sacrifice and children.

Do they?

History.

It's all there.

Yeah, read history.

So Alex is saying that the Nazi scientists said that they got help from aliens in creating their space program, which is part of what Greg Rees's report was about.

Weird side note: Greg Reese recently quit InfoWars and went on Twitter to accuse Alex of working for the Jews and all kinds of other shit.

So it's wild that Alex is playing his reports again.

No one ever quits for a good reason.

If I had to guess, I would say that Reese was getting good numbers with his reports on InfoWars and thought that he could go solo, then realized quickly that InfoWars-type material doesn't really make money organically, and having decent numbers on his videos doesn't mean shit if he doesn't have a supplement business in order to funnel actual money through.

So he made nice with Alex and maybe he's getting a little bit of a kickback.

That'll help.

I call this the Mark Dice effect because that's exactly what happened happened with Mark Dice.

Well, yeah.

Reese's report is largely based on a quote from German engineer Hermann Oberth, who allegedly said, quote, we cannot take all the credit for our record advancements in scientific fields alone.

We have been helped by the people of other worlds.

The website quote investigator took on this challenge of authenticating the quote in 2016, and they were unable to find any evidence that he actually said that.

In the course of digging into the quote, they found a 1954 article Oberth wrote that does indicate that he theorized that UFOs and aliens were real and said, quote, we should try by every scientific means that seemed feasible to get into contact with them.

That phrasing is pretty clear that he wasn't in contact with them, at least in 1954.

But Alex says that he's read books where these quotes come from.

You know the history, you've got to read the history.

And the problem there is that there aren't any books that Oberth wrote that say this.

The quote that Reese is using comes from a 1974 book by Robin Collins called Did Spacemen Colonize the Earth?

Good question.

Which attributes the words to Oberth, but there's no citation in the book.

Robin Collins is a lunatic whose other book, Laser Beams from Star Cities, theorizes that Asian people are aliens.

So

take their work for how you will.

That does lower my estimation of them, yeah.

My general rule is that if you're someone who writes multiple books where the title ends in a question mark, you have an uphill battle in terms of me giving you any credibility.

So though Greg Reese doesn't give a specific citation for this quote, and he couldn't because it's fake,

just before he throws this quote out in his report, he mentions Oberth's book, The Rocket to the Planetary Space, which doesn't include any of these claims of getting alien technology from aliens.

Reese introduces this primary source, then makes an unrelated claim, knowing that the passive listener will just assume that the primary source he cited backs up that unrelated claim.

It's basically bullshit sleight-of-hand hand magic tricks.

Yeah.

Not like shooting lightning out of your hand, but like a card trick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Again, one thing that I did not study, card tricks, because they're not really magic.

Yeah, they're a prank.

Yep.

But sometimes fun.

Sometimes fun.

Not fun when you're Greg Reese using it to make bullshit arguments.

You know, it's a testament, I think, truly to cognitive dissonance.

That a Nazi could be like, I bet aliens wouldn't see us destroying and othering an entire people as perhaps a corollary to a relationship that we might have together.

Right?

Like,

it never occurred to them that maybe aliens would go, like, you see the similarities here.

Right, right.

But see, here's the thing.

For Alex's purposes, the aliens are bad.

Sure.

Nazis are theoretically bad.

Right.

So,

well, in real life, bad.

Yeah, yeah.

But the Nazis, like, they were getting this alien tech, and the aliens were also kind of fucking with them.

Right.

Right?

You know, like, it wasn't an equal relationship between the aliens and the Nazis.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

So the aliens are like, hey, check out these assholes.

They're doing a whole genocide thing.

Let's fuck with them a bit.

Or let's make the problem worse.

Sure.

You know, the aliens have their own agenda.

I mean, I think that's the point that I would think if I was a Nazi, I would be like, they probably have their own agenda, much like we do.

And this is a critical problem for the imaginary Nazis who are getting alien technology.

It is a critical problem.

It's not for Alex, though.

Interesting.

That fact that they didn't think that through is okay for him because all of it's made up.

Probably better for him, yeah.

So Alex,

his contention is that aliens are interdimensional beings.

Right.

And

thankfully, apparently Tim Poole agrees with him now.

Great.

This is a big deal.

And so I want to start off today.

with Tim Poole, GOP Congressman.

And Tim Poole, Alex Jones was right, about aliens being interdimensional.

Here's Representative Eric Burleson talking about the government whistleblowers that are now advising him and what the government and these projects in Space Force and Beyond were telling him was really going on.

And when I've sat there and talked to Buzz Aldrin on air or off-air, when I've sat there and talked to top generals, when I've sat there and you talked about all this, they go, of course, that's exactly what's going on.

And so they all understand that until the 90s, they were putting a lot of their money into mind power, but they found that it was uncontrollable and a lot of people went crazy.

They got involved in it.

Fictitious.

Started shifting away from mind power and one step beyond type stuff.

It was made up to digital and the surveillance grid because they see that as more automated and controlled.

And the globalists are mainly going with an anti-human silicon model instead of the Uber mentioned model, the Superman model that the Germans have been pushing.

And so let's go to this Tim Pool clip, and we'll come back again into Trump.

What if, you know, because I think, you know, again, Alex Jones is talking about interdimensional beings that are sending guidance to elites, telling them what to do.

What if

aliens, as people believe them to be, are actually interdimensional, and that explains how they're able to travel vast.

It explains what we can't see.

You know, we don't see other civilizations.

It explains how we're like, how do you travel a billion light years?

You don't.

It's through space-time or whatever, through dimensions.

And what if these are

not necessarily smarter, but more advanced entities that are controlling the flow of our existence for their own ends.

I don't know what this is supposed to prove.

Tim Poole and a House member from Missouri who Alex has never heard of before did a podcast and they talked about aliens.

This doesn't strengthen Alex's claims about aliens being interdimensional beings.

All it does is demonstrate that other people talk the same kind of idiotic shit as Alex.

All it illustrates is that no one is trying to be taken seriously anymore, and there's no consequences for just doing

black light, beanbag, bong circle talk.

Yep.

Yep.

This is very much like a like a, oh, man, listen, if the angels are actually aliens, then it makes sense that the, and you're like, oh, god damn it.

Let's just

pick one.

Pick one and then do a thing.

Wait, wait, wait.

If the aliens don't need to eat, then it makes sense why we don't see crops in space.

What if aliens are interdimensional beings?

What if?

Who fucking cares?

Right.

And hey,

let's have a great time talking about it, but let's not let that inform our politics.

I think that, you know.

I mean, it is interesting to really sit down with the question, like, to what extent does your belief in aliens affect your voting on the Transportation Committee?

You know?

Right.

Where it's like...

It could affect it a great deal.

Or it could also not affect it at all.

It should be minimal.

It should be non-existent, I would argue.

We should work towards a country where alien considerations are not important.

No.

Nope.

I'm not even going to put a scent into the hat on the train station.

So Alex gets around to talking about his prophetic visions.

Sure.

And

I think that there's a really important new piece of information that comes up in this clip.

Okay.

Ever since I was a child, and a lot of people have this phenomenon, that's why it's talked about in all cultures and history.

I would have dreams of things, sometimes innocuous, sometimes serious, usually traumatic, that would come true exactly as I saw it.

I'd have a recurring

dream of like a quasi, you know, homeless, deranged drug addict

with a pink and green striped polo shirt, pinkish-purple green shirt, and then coming up and attacking me.

And I had the dream like dozens of times.

And then six months later, I'm at a convenience store with some friends.

I didn't even have a car yet.

And we were coming.

And this crazy guy on drugs came out and pulled out a knife and probably would have killed me.

But as soon as I saw him, I knew what to do because I'd had the dream.

I was like, oh my God, that's the guy coming.

So for whatever reason, interdimensionally, I was given that information.

And then right before they tried to kill Trump and Butler, and I came on here and talked about this.

I kept having these dreams of people sewing explosives into a reporter's purse that she wouldn't know, getting on Air Force One, service-to-air missiles, shooting down Trump, being brought in.

They would blame Iran through Mexico to the U.S.

months later, that came out, that cover story, they were going to blame Iran for killing Trump.

I was having this, and I was just having this recurring dream

10, 15 times, but it was so complicated.

It was all these different pieces.

I'd wake up and wouldn't remember it all, but I knew, oh, this is one of these dreams where you wake up with like a headache.

I don't normally have a, you wake up with a headache.

These things are like, all of them sweating.

Sometimes I would throw up.

So we've not heard that Alex's prophetic dreams usually cause these kinds of physical side effects like sweating, headache, and vomiting.

It's pretty interesting because there's one condition that could explain all of that, including intense vivid dreams.

Oh, yeah.

And that's alcohol withdrawal.

Odd.

Yeah.

So maybe we work this into the differential diagnosis.

That is possible.

None of the specifics he's giving are even open to critiquing.

I have no idea if Alex had a dream about a guy in a striped polo shirt or if he had a nightmare after watching a Freddy Krueger movie.

I have no idea if some guy did try to stab him at a gas station or if he saw someone who kind of looked like a guy in his nightmare and he assumed that that guy was going to stab him.

Alex is unreliable as a narrator on this kind of shit, so I don't care.

And then with the Trump stuff, Alex has been saying that Trump was about to get assassinated since 2015.

It's not that he was right in the case of Butler, it's that he wasn't wrong for once.

In order to give him any credit as a psychic for that, you have to explain away all the thousand other times he was wrong.

Like, if you bet on double zero every every time at the roulette table and you lose 50 times in a row and then you win on spin 51, you aren't a psychic.

Then the other Trump example is the Air Force One blowing up, and that didn't happen.

There were no missiles or bombs sewed into purses, so that supposed prophetic dream that he had, it's not even an example of something coming true.

That's an argument against his dreams having any meaning.

And what about Gene Hackman?

I was going to say.

Alex is telling a story about how his dreams are prophetic visions from God, but conveniently he leaves out the 200 dreams that he had about needing to go to Gene Hackman's house.

How is that not a major part of this?

I would feel,

like, to me, I would need to no longer believe I was a psychic.

Otherwise, I would also have to believe that I murdered Gene Hackman.

Right.

Right.

Like, that's the only possible conclusion that you can reach.

It would be so deeply traumatic to have 200 prophetic dreams about Gene Hackman and then realize that you resisted the call of God telling you the future.

It would require, I believe, now, I don't know the kinds of money that Alex is accustomed to.

But if I were in his position, I would quit.

I would quit doing this radio show.

I would focus my energy entirely on these prophecies that I have.

Sure.

Because there's something important that I'm missing.

Right.

At the very least, you got to restructure your life.

Yeah.

You got to restructure your life.

Because whatever it is you are doing, it's not saving Gene Hackman's life.

And that's pretty much what you were supposed to be doing.

Right.

Anybody can do a dumb shit.

I read tweets and get mad about them radio show.

Not everybody can know in advance they need to go save Gene Hackman.

Yeah.

Alex has a gift that he's essentially squandering if he believes any of this shit.

Yeah.

And that to me is a real problem.

Yeah.

When he wants to get on his goddamn soapbox and talk about his magic powers and shit, he should really have to own that he killed Gene Hackman.

I mean, I mean, it would either have to, or I would have to be proud of not having saved Gene Hackman's life, thus proving that I could have with my psychic powers.

Well, that's another argument we could take.

Let's go with the other approach.

Right.

And that is that God was giving him these visions to stay away from Gene Hackman's house and

let him die.

Yeah.

Listen, I'm killing Gene Hackman for a reason.

Right.

I can't have you fucking this up, Alex.

Yeah.

So that's why God gave him all those visions.

That makes sense.

That's the argument that he needs to take.

What a God.

What a weirdo.

Yeah.

Works in mysterious ways.

So I remembered I had one of those dreams and there was a stay away sign.

So that's why I didn't go talk to Gene.

You know what's fascinating?

I find this always, this is one of the things that I always find so interesting.

Liars think that people who tell the truth are obsessed with details to prove that they're telling the truth.

Whereas people who tell the truth generally are like, buddy, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah.

That's the shit that happened.

I'm going to go on with my life.

And you know, those details.

Yeah.

They're often things like, it was four in the morning when God woke me up to tell me what time it was.

And so Alex goes into some of that.

I had a dream of the tower smoking and on fire

the day it happened.

And then I woke up and I was in the showers.

I broke it in my house to him.

I was already getting ready, but then I went to take a shower out before.

And I said, get up my underwear and get ready and then get the shower and get rest.

And I literally had the TV on and it started.

And then my show wasn't to 11, but I ran and went on GCN with

the morning host immediately.

So, but right before Trump got shot, it was in June.

Normally this happens five, six times a year.

And I, and I don't like clocks in the bedroom with me, and I usually put the cell phone turned off in the bathroom.

And I, and I would wake up, be told, get up.

And now go look at the clock.

And I would get up, a full story a lot, folks, but I would get up,

turn the phone on,

and it would say, okay, it's going to be this time.

Okay, the only reason I'm subjecting you to Alex talking about knowing what time it is in the night again is because what he said right there.

I'm just going to play this little snippet again.

And it would say, okay, it's going to be this time.

Alex calls God it.

Isn't that weird?

Isn't that just a weird little.

Well, I mean, it suggests that he's not thinking of it as God so much as a, I suppose,

infinite force or malevolent force.

But Alex does believe in the personification

of God.

Sure.

Well, I mean,

what do you call God?

Like, even he was like, I am.

He was specifically like, hey, don't call me a he.

Right?

Sure.

Right.

Alex doesn't have that problem.

No, he doesn't really seem to.

No.

Again, the Bible seems very uninteresting to him.

It is weird.

It.

It describes a voice in your head.

It is a depersonalized.

It is not what you would say about a message that's coming from your deity that you have a personal connection with.

It is strange.

Luke wasn't like, oh, it's speaking to me about using the force.

He was like, it's Obi-Wan.

Yeah, yeah.

It would be very strange if he was like, oh,

this voice is fucking weird.

Yeah, it's strange.

So Alex goes on to talk about some more of his prophecies that have been super successful.

Then you saw what happened, and they started flipping on really bad at that point.

And the Justice Department started calling up the CRO saying, he's out of control.

We want him off the air.

The day I said they're going to kill Trump.

Because obviously they're hearing this and we're talking to other people going, this guy's, we've got a psychic on our hands.

It's like, this guy's got to be stopped.

He keeps knowing what we're going to do.

This guy's got to be stopped.

And then I started saying to God, well, you know, God's like, I want you to tell people this stuff because I want to know how real this is.

I'm like, oh, yeah.

Well, you see this specifically then tell me stuff.

So on election night, was Wes noticed this because I forgot like 10 o'clock at night.

I'm sitting there and I feel the same presence.

It's like somebody's standing behind me.

It's like, say that

Trump is going to announce his win at 1.27.

And I didn't think to listen and say, okay, what's the time zone?

And I'm sitting there and Owen's in the other studio and I'm talking to him.

And I go, I'll just cover it this way.

I should have said, God just told me this.

You can say, well, then maybe Trump hears it does at that time.

But I, however, it worked, I was getting the message, and you you have to really quiet place the most highs.

King David talked about.

You've got to really get quiet to hear it and really understand it.

And I'm sitting there on the air and I go, oh, and what do you think he's going to announce he's won?

Because it wasn't clear he's won yet.

And

he goes, I think, you know, 11, you know, 39 or whatever.

And I said, well, I say 127.

My favorite part of the telling of this story is that he points out that he forgot to ask God what time zone.

Yep.

That's amazing.

I didn't think to ask a follow-up question.

God, what time zone are you speaking of?

I don't even know what to do with that.

I don't know what to do with that on a like,

in what way do you think your God

is

like in charge of everything if at the same time this God is also like later on going like, ah, shit, I should have told him about the time zones.

What am I thinking?

I'm only God.

Right, right.

Man, I shouldn't have left that area for ambiguity with Alex's prediction.

Oh, well.

You know what?

Here's the thing.

He is too familiar with God.

I agree.

Like, I think that there is something that is so unwonderful in terms of, like, wonder about how he's describing these interactions that he has with God.

No.

He's talking to God, and God is like, dude.

Tell the people what I told you.

And then Alex's response to that isn't, yes, God, yes, yes, yes.

It's, give me something juicy.

Yep.

Give me something specific.

Yep.

He's making demands of God.

Yep.

And that, to me, doesn't align with the hierarchy.

No, nope.

Everything, every sign points to him working for the devil.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's unfortunate for him.

There's nothing I can, there's nothing you can say.

I mean, even his, even his

when he's, yeah, he's the devil.

He's working for the devil.

His

very strong misunderstanding of who is the antagonist and protagonist in various stories that are very clear about who's good and bad.

Almost like somebody deliberately switched what good and bad are at a very young age when he was impressionable, perhaps when he was gassed underneath a house.

Yep.

It could be.

It's possible.

I would like to ask.

That is a question I would like to ask him, I think.

It's like, you say that you were satanic when you were a kid.

Yeah.

What does that mean?

What did you do?

Yeah.

I won't hold it against you.

I'm not trying to get you arrested for killing a cat or something like that.

But what did you do?

How did you become satanic?

I feel like you'd just, I listened to metal.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, the problem with hanging out with Satan is that you can never be sure you're not still hanging out with Satan because that's kind of Satan's bag.

He's a tricky guy.

That's the idea behind the whole thing he does.

It's true.

Right?

He's untrustworthy.

Yeah.

And to figure out what is a trick of the devil,

a lot of times you need to focus.

And it's hard to focus when you're on air.

Okay.

And this is a problem that Alex has.

All right.

And this is why he should get a crystal ball.

You know, the problem is it's hard to be on air and doing all these things.

They get us in this rat race to feel these things, but everybody has these gifts to a certain extent, some more than others.

And that's why all your philosophers and the Bible, you know, all the prophets and Christ go to the desert for months, totally quiet, looking around, so you can really get the message.

Yeah, uh, and so you've talked about the um, the ball, too, or they would take drugs and stare into the crystal ball, but it was really just a means to focus attention so that you could really experience whatever you're trying to do, absolutely, and that's what the palantir is.

So, yes, and it's

like I don't just know they're getting this from bad guys because I get stuff from the good guys, and that's what I get from it: is this God?

It's like we're, you know, who we are, it's the angels, the watchers, and you never,

in the dream, it's not bad.

You don't see them, they're like right there, and it's like, oh, somebody's there.

And then you feel like if you really focus, it's like,

everything

goes out.

And you're like, oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

I'm convinced.

Classic, classic devil talk.

Classic devil talk.

The, oh, you know it's us.

Never providing a positive affirmation of who you are.

That's some devil shit right there.

You know,

assume things about me.

That's some devil shit.

Yeah.

Cool.

Yep.

I do think Alex should get a crystal ball.

I agree.

I think it would be fun to watch a show where he does hallucinogens and stares at a crystal ball and mutters.

I would watch that.

Probably.

I would watch.

You know how Big Brother, when it started, had a live stream that was 24 hours?

That is true.

I would watch Alex tripping out with a crystal ball for 24 hours.

Weird.

That's a Twitch stream that I would sub.

That would be wild.

That would be wild.

We would have to maintain his

position there, probably through means that he would not enjoy.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's a compromise.

What you going to do?

Yeah.

You win some, you lose some.

We'll make sure that you're rich for the rest of your life.

Yep.

You can never leave this room, and you have to stare into a ball.

Yep.

Because we need you, too.

We need you.

You save the world.

It's God, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I got to get a crystal ball.

For focus.

Sure.

Yep.

Okay.

For focus purposes.

For focus purposes.

For focus purposes.

Yep.

Okay.

So, Alex, we know that he has been able to get to that quiet place, that very focused place.

And one of the times that he did, he was eating a chicken-fried steak.

And so, of course, Alex brings this up as the time that he signed on to God's military.

Naturally.

I mean, it's literally, I had that happen.

I told the story like 27 years ago.

The restaurant at night was closing down.

I was by myself after a long show.

Wasn't on drugs, no alcohol, nothing.

It was like, all right, you ready to get commissioned?

You want to do this?

Well, here's the bad stuff, possible futures.

I don't care.

No, I'm going to show you this.

And then it's so much information,

you have it, but it doesn't unlock until the things are happening.

And then after I basically signed the contract

to the military, that's how it was, basically.

So everything we do here is just a facsimile of what goes on.

And then it was like, okay, now here's the mission.

And I've been telling people that since then.

And I told them it would be a great awakening, all this other stuff would happen, and all this stuff.

I mean, this is real.

So if I'm getting this information from the good guys, what I'm saying is the bad guys in their own writing say they're getting it.

Aleister Crowley, all of them are getting their plan.

And so

the devil doesn't just have his plan.

God's got his plan for us.

What if you're all wrong?

I don't think that's possible with the characters involved as they are portrayed.

Creepy weirdo Aleister Crowley and drunk idiot Alex Jones?

Yeah, how could they both be wrong?

It's possible they could both be wrong.

It's possible, but I don't know.

I don't know how.

And with the two of them corroborating each other's story, that's that's an alibi you can trust.

Yeah, take that shit to the bank.

Yeah.

Or the chicken-fried steak restaurant where God commissions you to his army.

I would posit that perhaps maybe one of the big reasons that a lot of the holy men in the Bible went to the desert was also proximity to the desert.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, like, that's crucial.

The desert was right there.

It was available.

Yeah.

There are no desert.

I could not go to the desert at any point in time.

No, but without some effort.

See, but

that's the thing.

I think you're getting too insular about this.

I think that if you could go a little ways outside of Chicago and probably find some woods.

Sure, some woods.

That's what I'm saying.

And I think that would be good enough.

I think that Alex would accept that as like the metaphorical going to the desert.

Okay, so setting is not necessarily what we're talking about.

We're talking about the isolation element.

Yes.

Gotcha.

The desert was just...

It's because it's like a crystal ball.

It's about organizing communities.

It's about focus.

Yep.

I need to go to the desert.

We got to go to the desert with a crystal ball.

Get really fucking focused.

Focused.

As focused as a human can be.

Oh, I'm so thirsty.

So I'm thirsty for Chase because he's been being very passive this episode.

I've noticed.

He's sort of laying back and letting Alex say his dumb shit.

Yep.

And so when he gets involved, Alex is like, what do you got on your plate, Chase?

He says something that I think is one of the more fascinating accidental revelations he's made.

And I'm sure this has happened to you hundreds of times over the course of your career, where you're just kind of sitting quietly pondering the news, what's going on, and there have been maybe five or six crazy things that have happened over the last couple of weeks, and you're pondering them all.

They're all loading simultaneously, and then it clicks, and you see how they're all connected.

But you don't have the details.

It's a theory at that point.

And then when you go and you look and you do the research, you see that all the pieces that you put together, it's actually, you can find the instruction manual somewhere else to confirm that this is actually the puzzle, this is the picture that's being put out.

And so it's really interesting for Chase to describe how his thought process works because what he's describing is essentially how you get trapped in motivated thinking.

He exists within the Infowar structure, which is a deeply conspiratorial space.

That is to say that nothing can be explained away by coincidence unless it's absolutely necessary.

Like if you need to get Trump off the hook for something, maybe you can say it's a coincidence.

But other than that, things that are happening in the world are happening because the globalists plotted them to happen that way.

And if you're smart enough, you can make connections between everything to decipher their code.

And if you get good at that, you can tell the future.

Because this is Chase's paradigm, those connections between stories and events must exist.

If they appear not to exist, it's because he hasn't worked hard enough on finding the connection.

So to accept the explanation that something is unrelated to something else is essentially the same as admitting failure.

So Chase sees a bunch of news stories that are possibly connected in the real world, or they might not be.

For Chase, they have to be connected, so his brain forms connections between these stories.

He fills in some blanks and comes up with a storyline that lets him explain how story A is really about story B, which is being caused by story C.

The stuff that he uses to fill those blanks in and form those connections between stories is what I'm going to choose to call Infowars Calk.

The larger mythology of InfoWars conspiracy is what gives that caulk its binding power.

So once Chase has introduced this caulk to bind together these unrelated stories, that caulk becomes more important than the individual data points themselves.

You can have three different stories and then connect them with a simple adhesive of saying the globalists did it.

And now you don't have three stories and a theory, you have one story and one explanation.

This might seem like a small point, but it makes a difference in how these next steps play out.

Now, when Chase is going to go seek out more information, he's looking specifically for things that prop up the explanation that he's come to.

He's no longer looking for better understanding of those three underlying stories, he's looking to defend his use of InfoWars caulk to bind the whole thing together into one story.

At the core, it's very easy to do, mostly because you're just making stuff up and then telling a story about what you imagine all of it means.

It's also very sloppy and it gets a bad result, which is why these folks like Chase are essentially unemployable by anyone who has a more rigorous process than Infowars.

He just let us in, he gave us a big window here.

Sure.

I find connections, theorize how they can possibly all these stories could be connected, and then later I go out looking for information, and what do you know?

It confirms the theory that I came up with in order to force a connection between these stories.

Sure.

So that's fascinating.

I would, well, I mean, what interests me

is what would happen if he didn't find anything?

Would he abandon the belief or simply persist regardless?

Hmm.

No, I think if he didn't find a connection, there would magically be one.

That's the interesting thing to me there, is that whether or not there is motivated reasoning here,

does it even matter what he's looking for?

Or is this a man who simply figures out something and chooses to believe he's he's the first person who thought of it, regardless of whether or not he is.

Well, his job and his place at Infowars really depend on

that connection being made.

Right.

And so

I don't think there would ever be a situation where you could present him with like three or four news stories and they wouldn't be connected.

Right.

That you'd find it.

Right.

And then you have to think that because there's so many fucking people,

all of whom are experiencing some variants of the same reality you are.

Somebody else has made some sort of dumb connection like this before, and you're going to find it and go, see, I'm not alone.

Yeah, someone's substacked.

Yep.

There you go.

So here is a playing out of exactly what Chase described in that clip.

He goes on to discuss some stories that he has decided are connected.

Okay.

When I saw the nuclear stuff from Trump, and it's in the context of the Golden Dome thing the other day, and it's in the context of the fact that Elon Musk and Sam Altman were in Saudi Arabia for this economic deal for $600 billion to estimates as high as a trillion dollars.

I'm like, oh my God,

it seems to me that what they're doing with this AI arms race, they know that it's going to demand a tremendous amount of electricity.

And China is going to wonder, our opponents, our enemies are going to wonder, how the hell are they powering these facilities for this computation?

Because we know their existing grid can't handle it.

It's got to be off-grid in case there's some EMP or cyber attack, but how are they powering it?

And And so you have to have a front for it.

You have to say, all right, we have this new nuclear technology, these isolated nuclear reactors that we're going to put on site to do it.

And I am.

And you can't see on the military, but you can't see them.

And I'm thinking to myself, all right, well, we've got this starlink array.

That's exactly how it all works.

We've got this starlink array.

Yeah, we got this starlink array.

And I'm like, I wonder if there's a way for us to wirelessly using Tesla technology, not Tesla like Elon Musk Tesla, but Nikola Tesla technology, transmit technology from space to the Earth.

And obviously, people have been talking about this for many years.

I didn't realize that really until very recently because I just started looking into it for the first time.

I'm not an astrophysicist or an engineer by any means.

So I look into this and I see that, oh, SpaceX has been doing study after study.

There have been article after article that we've been kind of missing of SpaceX's space-based solar power revolutionizing Earth's energy future.

And they've been sending up these solar transmitters that pick up solar energy in space and then, through microwaves, send them down to rectennas on the surface to wirelessly provide energy that's estimated to be able to power a million homes per like segment of this array.

I see that Japan's looking into it, China's looking into it, and then I see that SpaceX has already been involved in these studies with this technology.

I think to myself, all right, we've got the Golden Dome, which is supposed to be a defense array around the planet.

And they say about these microwave energy transmissions to the planet, you can immediately convert them into directed energy weapons.

So you can either use it to send it to a rectenna to pick up the solar power and then power houses.

Which is what globalists and all planners do.

Or you can beam it it down.

They always love multi-use things.

Like Doppler radar is really for weather control.

Watch 10 to 10.

Doesn't everybody love multi-use things?

Right, and just like with nuclear reactors, oh, we need nuclear energy.

But it's really part of the military-industrial complex as well of either Iran or Russia when it was happening during the Cold War.

They would use nuclear energy as justification to develop nuclear weapons.

And I agree, and it's really good that Trump's come out with all this because we know it's real.

He's come out with all this.

What has he come out with?

Exactly.

So let's chop chop this up a little.

All right.

The first data point that Chase is starting from is Trump signing some executive orders to push the development of nuclear energy sources in the United States.

The second is Trump wanting to build a golden dome space-based missile defense system for the United States.

The third is Elon Musk and Sam Altman being in Saudi Arabia with Trump for his visit with MBS.

So, Chase puts these stories together, and the narrative that comes

to him is that there's an AI arms race that's going to to require a ton of energy.

So far, so good.

That kind of

has a connection to Sam Altman and Elon Musk being over there for this talk between Saudi Arabia and the United States, whatever.

The amount of energy is going to become a vulnerability that China could exploit, though, because they're doing something like attacking our grid with an EMP, they could take out...

the power sources that we're using for this AI arms race.

So we can't build the energy infrastructure to handle handle the AI arms race on the conventional grid where it could be attacked.

We're getting speculative now.

Sure.

Jays is getting into speculation.

All right.

In order to hide the energy that we're going to use to create the AI stuff, Trump is making moves to boost our nuclear energy.

So now the plan is that we're going to make all these nuclear reactors on military bases so they're safe from attack, and we'll say that they're being used for the Golden Dome missile defense system, but they're secretly for AI.

The Golden Dome thing is a cover story that Trump is using in order to

not

show his hand about using these nuclear reactors in order to power the AI.

Okay.

There's an explanation that Chase has talked himself into by demanding that all of these stories that he sees must be connected.

From this point, he tries to explore how he can expand this explanation.

So he looks at Starlink and Tesla technology, but instead of relating what he finds to the original stories, he relates them to the synthesis of the stories that he created into forcing them,

forcing them to be connected.

This is a fine thought process for a bong circle or a writer's room in a sitcom, but it's not a process that generally leads to truth.

It's very bad for truth preservation because each step along the way, as his mind is adding new layers onto things, more and more stuff is just from his imagination that he's added into the story.

And at a certain point, those things from his imagination become load-bearing.

They become essential to keeping these plates spinning in the air, and that's not good.

Yeah.

Yeah, I imagine that it's not possible to give him three of anything, though.

You know what I mean?

Like, it doesn't matter what three things.

Three will always be one.

He will always come up with me, like, ah, see, here's how these things are related.

Probably, and how much of that is just like the nature of how he works, and how much is just like, this is obviously the game that Info Wars plays.

I'm going to fit in as best as I can with this machine.

Yeah.

Who knows?

And it doesn't matter.

But Alex needs to be drunk because he should be interrupting this dork so much more.

Yeah.

Like, this dynamic is off.

No.

Chase can't talk for this long.

No,

it's got to be

an interruption specifically in the middle of him trying to get out what he really wanted to say.

Yeah.

Chase has a.

Let me tell you about being a man.

Exactly.

Like we need that.

Right in the middle of him being like, see, so it's AI that's giving the chase.

Just shut up.

We got to go find somebody.

There has to be like,

there's an essential element of Alex that he is not into

how nerdy Chase is.

Yeah.

And I know it's there.

He's sober, so he's suppressing it and not lashing out.

Yeah.

But I don't like it not being expressed.

Yeah, because it is, there's something about the way that he does it too, which is that kind of self-loathing, like, I'm not a nerd.

I'm a massive nerd.

I'm a bully.

And so he's like, Chase is saying similar things to what he said five minutes ago, and he's like, you're stupid, you asshole.

Yeah.

There's something off.

Yeah.

So there's this AI arms race.

Sure.

We've established all of this stuff through Chase's fantasy.

Some of it may have some connection to one one of the three or four stories that he's connected into one.

Some of it may.

So it's not all fantasy, but a lot of it is fantasy.

Sure.

And it gets expanded into the Saudi Arabia meeting that Trump had here.

That's the deal that's been made.

And that's why this isn't just a trade deal.

This is about a new alliance.

Real quick, the context of this is the deal that's been made is that Saudi Arabia has to side with the United States over China in exchange for unlimited power.

And we've won so far.

I mean, and again, the corporate media, though, the globalists, the BlackRock, they won't say that.

That's why they made America not John Wayne and Freedom and Marilyn Monroe.

They made it on and Elvis Presley and the founding fathers and all the they made it transgenderism and Satan worship and pedophilia to make the world turn against us.

All that USAID stuff was meant to make the world, oh, we don't want America.

It's a warmonger and it's satanic so that they would adopt the leftist globalist model that they want to take the planet over with, but instead we're now promoting Americana worldwide and everybody wants a piece of it again.

Absolutely.

And if you look closely, I heard a guy had a plan called 1776 Worldwide.

Don't actually do that.

If you look closely at the video of the Crown Prince taking Trump to the airport to leave after that deal, he's almost in tears.

And it's hard for a layman or somebody who hasn't really looked in the details of what's going on to understand.

I mean, I understand it's nice and it's an honor for the president of the United States to visit Saudi Arabia.

Why is this guy so weepy, this Crown Prince?

Why is he literally on the verge of tears about this meeting?

It's because it's so existential.

Crown Prince understood that.

Trump understands.

And I knew this was happening.

It's what Trump's already telling us, but way more.

They read him in on everything, and the deal's already been made.

And again, the old Saudis

tried to do a coup.

They ran the Vegas attack, and Trump went in there with that faction, the Crown Prince, and killed him.

And it was never even hit the news.

It was like, oh, well, some people disappeared, but that's what happened.

And then the old, and then they basically just, that's why Trump said, for a thousand years, you know, you guys are smart.

You invented a lot of stuff, mathematics, all this stuff, but you, for a thousand years, you've sewed nothing but problems, you know, talking about crusades and all that.

That's all going to stop now.

And what it really is, that's why he came out and said, women, you know, don't wear burqas, all that, is the very place where the, where the Muhammad thing comes from, basically, at least if this continues on, is like actually saying, yeah, we actually want the global peace deal for real because they can understand this warfare goes on and the Christians, the Muslims, we're all going to kill each other.

And that's what Trump's going around saying.

What?

Guys, we have free energy.

We can blow up the whole solar system right now.

We got antimatter weapons.

Stop it.

Stop it.

So the fantasy scenario that Alex and Chase are talking about is that Trump has started telling the world that they're either on our side or on China's side because we have free energy and the whole worldwide economy that relies on oil is about to blow up.

It's going to be gone because we have free energy.

So it's true.

The U.S.

and China are the two countries that have or could have access to this magic technology, so everyone has to pick a side.

And Trump has got Saudi Arabia on his side by convincing them that China hates Muslims, although Alex also seems to hate Muslims.

I mean,

I don't know.

That whole Muhammad thing.

It makes perfect sense.

They're now going to be on Trump's side.

And in exchange, he's going to give them free unlimited energy machines in order to replace their reliance on oil, which is the source of a lot of their international and domestic power.

This is all nonsense, but if we imagine it's true, then Alex and Chase are saying that Trump is giving the Saudi government access to this magic-free energy, which they can then restrict in ways that maintain their grasp on power that's largely tied up in oil and money that's made from oil.

This isn't about giving people access to technology and freeing the world.

It's about negotiating with a tyrant about how to preserve their tyranny in the context of new technologies.

This is literally a large part of what Alex complains about the globalists doing in his book, The Great Reset.

It's very ironic to hear him take this kind of approach.

Yeah.

Like, I don't believe any of this is true, but even in the storytelling narrative framework that he's telling it in, it's contradictory to what he is supposed to care about.

Yeah.

It's weird.

You know, I'm listening to his explanation, and I'm thinking, like, you can't give some people lightning without the next couple of days them being like, okay, so Zeus turns into a swan and rapes a lady, right?

You know, like,

this is just not good.

This is not good.

No.

You should not have global politics available for people who would be like, okay, so my God of lightning turns into a SWAT, you know, like, you know, we can't have that.

Yeah, and I think that the more and more you hear Alex talk, especially in a setting like this, it's like,

I just cannot imagine who is enticed by this anymore.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know what the market is other than him holding on to the people who are just committed already.

There's like, I'm in, fuck it.

I can't imagine this convincing new initiates, quite frankly.

I don't, I don't know.

It's so dumb.

I don't know how you can be here and not feel so tired.

Like, even if you're still in with Alex, even if you're still in, you've got to be like, I am so exhausted by what is happening.

Yeah, there's a, because a lot of those words don't really make sense.

They don't make any sense.

And then they're right next to each other very quickly.

That's the problem.

You put them right next to each other.

That's no good.

You can put them in different sentences away from each other.

But don't.

So here's where Chase really earns his paycheck

by doing two things on this clip.

One, he's like, Alex, get esoteric for me, baby.

Sure.

And then he also asks an amazing question that Alex can't answer.

That sounds right.

Some of my favorite moments of yours throughout your career that I've seen have been when other people have interviewed you and you've talked about some of the more esoteric stuff.

Because on the news, you're so focused on covering the hard-hitting 30,000-foot stuff to give people the useful information of what's practically going on.

What?

I mean, it's powerful and important.

But then when you're on podcasts with other people,

you have a little bit more of the esoteric conversation.

I'm curious as to how this translates to the UAP stuff and the interdimensional stuff that's going on with this technology.

I mean, it's almost like the book of Enoch, where you have the watchers that come down and they give secret technology and it eradicates humanity.

Because the real debate is whether or not this technocracy, even if we wield it, is in and of itself a ring of power that that will corrupt us even if we have good intentions.

So there's like this populist move to claim this technology through the Musks and the Trumps and others, and then there's the globalist move to hijack it.

But is it is it I mean, d do both met paths lead to the same end for humanity, or is there a way to wield this type of power, knowledge and technology without totally

crucifying the planet?

Well, that's really the big question

is whether Atlantis is existed or not, That story is being recreated now, where they have this great technology, free energy, but it explodes and blows up their continent

and then knocks civilization back.

And all the cultures talked about it.

So I mean,

clearly that's gone on.

The history we've been given is not accurate.

Obviously, you think the media lies.

You think current news is a bunch of bull.

Imagine history.

Boy, you're stupid.

So this

is a great question.

It really is.

For Chase, it's a thoughtful question.

Yeah.

And it is, we have created these magical abilities and shit, and we are invested in getting those things into the hands of people like Elon Musk and Trump.

We support them, but is this inherently corrupting?

Is it possible for someone to wield these things for good?

Yep.

Fascinating question.

Coulda, obviously.

Of course.

We're not going to get an answer from Alex.

Woulda?

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Shoulda?

No.

Just the answer's no.

The answer's no, Chase.

The answer's no.

It allows for a little bit, you can see a little bit of attempted introspection on Chase's part.

No, I like it.

It's an interesting question that if Alex were drunk or if he wasn't himself, you might get a good answer to.

Like, it might be a good interview question in another setting, but it's just not here.

He can't answer yes or no without getting into

a kind of box that he doesn't want to be in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No.

It's a bad question if you are a person who understands who Alex truly is.

It is a great question if you are a person who has somehow deluded themselves so far into believing that asking this question is a good idea.

Yeah, which implies that either Chase is trying to destroy the ship from inside

or he's so dumb that he believes the fake version of Alex is real.

Yep.

And I believe that's possible.

He might.

He might actually believe that Alex is real.

I mean, not a farce.

It's hard to imagine, but it's not impossible to imagine.

Yeah.

A paycheck when you're incompetent is

pretty enticing.

I mean, you believe a lot of dumb shit.

There are not a lot of jobs that he is

qualified for.

At least not

on air.

Yeah, definitely.

So

instead of addressing the question, which is interesting,

Alex starts talking about Atlantis.

And then he...

Which is not interesting.

He gets lost.

Okay.

And we all epigenetically have these memories.

We see Star Wars and all this stuff.

It's like, oh, it seems like we're home.

It's nostalgic.

It's nostalgic.

It seems like we already.

Yeah, it's an old story instead of a new one.

Yeah, well, you just think we're just here.

I mean, come on.

So think this is a home.

I think this is where people came from.

Come on, folks.

We are the aliens.

And just like you take a pig from a farm, and in six months, you dump it out in the woods.

It's got tusk and big long hair on it.

And so

up there, you know, and people can choose different paths and all the stuff.

And what do you think people look like?

You know,

we lose

this wildness and turn into what we think, you know, these ideas we've seen of these aliens.

Those aren't aliens.

Those are breakaway civilizations of humans that are off doing all this other stuff.

And they made bad decisions.

So the Bible's telling us this is the demons.

These are the bad guys.

This is people that already blew the earth up once and ran off and turned into this.

And they're like beaming their interdimensional program to get us because they don't want us to emerge and have a different plan.

So, this is our chance to do it again, and it's what I pick up.

Okay, so that's what you pick up.

How is that what you pick up?

Well, Alex is insane.

That makes sense.

Yeah, that's why he picks that up.

That's pretty much the only way I can think of to pick that up.

I cannot pick that up in any other manner.

So, if you put a pig into the woods, it'll grow tusks in six months.

Obviously.

And that's just like humans.

Like, if you were on Mars, Mars, you would turn into a little gray guy running around with the fun long fingers and stuff.

You know, it would happen in like six months.

I see what you're saying.

So all of these aliens that we have and we think we've seen,

you know, spider beings, all the mercantile dogs, all of these folks.

They are just humans that broke away.

They're breakaway civilizations.

They went into space.

Six months later, they're dogs.

Makes sense.

Totally.

Totally.

Now they have made some bad decisions.

So, shit didn't work out for these breakaway civilizations.

And they're mad about that.

And so they're sending psychic messages to the earth people and coming through interdimensional portals and fucking with people

in order to try and spitefully get us to destroy ourselves.

That makes sense.

Because they don't want us to go to space and become dogs.

Right.

Right?

They're demons.

It makes sense.

When you put it that way, I can think of no other logical explanation.

Yeah, because it really, it is what it is.

Okay.

I find it fundamentally

weird

to believe wholeheartedly in a God of goodness

and also that that God

has purposefully misled you about the universe being filled with a bunch of people.

My man, it's the riddle of free will.

I don't think it is in this regard.

I think in this regard, God's just fucking with you.

Like, you believe, as a vert,

as a virtue of what you believe, your God is like fucking with you.

And just like, check this out.

Why?

There's aliens.

But that's not God fucking with us.

That's us fucking with ourselves.

I mean,

the more you talk, the more sane you sound.

I think

I come from a place

where

I love this kind of idea.

Yes.

Not from Alex.

Right.

I don't,

I could sit around and talk to someone all day about how aliens are humans that left Earth and then evolved in some way to suit their.

I'll talk to you about that.

Time and space are crazy, man.

I don't want to talk

about that with a white identity extremist.

Yeah.

Because I know that behind it is

some politics that are real bad.

And those politics are much more important than whether or not aliens are adaptable.

I say this.

The more I think about it, the more comforted I am that we do not have control over space and time.

Because

I think that if white nationalists had control over space and time, things would work out out very differently.

Right.

Yeah.

Like if Nazis actually were getting alien stuff and collaborating with them.

Yeah, we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have, we wouldn't be living here, right?

We would be living in a different world.

But some of us are.

The ones that went away, that broke away, and are now trying to convince you to destroy the world because they don't want you to have a plan.

God damn it.

They're mad for no reason.

All right.

And that's what the Palantir is.

Yeah.

Yep.

From Lord of the Rings.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So I just, I think Alex is so fucking insane.

And it's just, it hits different when he's not drunk.

Yeah.

So this is our chance to do it again is what I pick up.

And

so that's basically, I mean, when I get this information,

it's so intense.

And a lot of stuff I've seen and shown is

never before been seen.

And anything new you come up with, obviously, would be fabulously successful and we create a whole new franchise.

There's certain things when I'm giving the information that's

going to understand it, but I'm like,

but you're not going to talk about it.

And then as a test, I've even before, not to break the confidence, tried to say it, and my brain doesn't remember it.

Well, not when I tried to.

It's like, you know what I'm saying?

It's like locked in.

Firewall.

It's only, yeah, it's only to then process other information.

You made it up.

And different civilizations and things that we're all given free will.

There's been countless civilizations that make the wrong choice and destroy themselves or choose to go down a dark path and then they

turn into their own thing and always try to create their own universe and then run off and build it.

And then I've been able to look into those and not pretty.

It's not pretty.

It's bad news

when people try to do that, try to create their own thing, and then it becomes hell.

It's bad news.

Alex has seen it.

He's peered into things.

He could write these things down and they'd be amazing sci-fi franchises, but God doesn't let him.

God won't let him.

There's a firewall up.

He sees all this amazing stuff that could just be perfect, but his brain magically forgets it, unless it's what God wants him to use it for, like telling what time it is in the middle of the night or predicting a variable time zone when Trump will announce it.

Nobody can know the time zones.

That's just unknown.

That's ineffable.

That is truly unknown.

That's past the firewall.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

I

so dumb.

So dumb.

I think what makes it good when it is drunk is that we can assume, because of the lowering of inhibitions, this is something that he does not necessarily want to tell us.

Yeah.

This is something that it feels like he does want to tell us.

And I do not want to hear anything he wants to tell me about this.

I want to hear only the things that he is probably ashamed to believe himself.

Yeah, there's a social contract

when he's he's like the drunk at the bar who's going on about something

and you just sort of smile and like, all right, another round for the old timer.

Yeah.

Or whatever.

Let's hear it.

Let's hear the wild shit you've got to say while you're drunk.

That's fine.

Yeah.

Tomorrow we'll all just go back to work and you'll be just another guy.

When you're sober and you've done a thousand crunches, I don't want to hear about breakaway civilizations and how you've peeked into other worlds and you could totally write it down and you'd be the most famous sci-fi franchise of all time, but God won't let you.

I don't want to hear this shit.

Just do drugs.

Yeah.

Just do drugs.

Yeah.

If you are sober and saying these things,

you got to go.

Yeah.

You got to go.

Just stop.

Yeah.

Just stop.

So, Chase asks about the government doing DMT drips on people, which Alex, of course, very famously

talked about on Rogan.

And then I think he makes Alex uncomfortable.

That movies in the 80s.

What do they seek to gain from that, though?

Well,

I mean, I guess God decides when to reach out to you and how.

And then,

but there's bad things, and for whatever reason, there's different ways to connect to them.

And the veil gets lifted because obviously your eyes are picking up a lot more.

But your brain filters it out because it'd be too much to see.

And so that's what's what's happening when you're taking those hallucinogens is the third-dimensional veil, it's in the Bible, lift the veil and you can then see what else is going on.

Well, there's even speculation that the burning bush for Moses was a sprig of acacia, which is known to be a hallucinogenic property plant.

So a lot of people think that the bush was burning and he had this vision because

of some of the properties of the actual bush.

Look, all I know is I get told stuff that comes true.

Look, man, look, man, I don't know about that bush.

I'm not

interrogating you.

Maybe that bush was drugs, but not me.

I'm real.

I'm for real.

I'm just pointing out a theory.

I don't know why you got very defensive.

Because I don't need to do drugs to see things.

I feel like maybe you should do drugs.

Stare at the crystal ball.

Oh, my God.

Yeah,

I like that reaction a whole lot.

It's very funny.

Hey, man, I don't know what to tell you.

Which is so funny because this is like him.

Oh, my God.

Well, because he's in the whole part of the conversation is about like they do DMT drips because hallucinogens lift the veil and allow you to see more of the universe than you normally see.

Right.

But not me.

No, no, no, no, no.

My gift is my gift.

Right.

Yeah,

it is like a weird like little thing of like, no, you can't have it be the burning bush because that's got to be God.

It can't just be drugs.

Bad people use drugs to simulate what God does for free.

Now, you have to pay for it by doing the things that I tell you.

Oh, wait, no, that's slavery.

You have to sign a contract, an interdimensional contract.

I think I work for the devil.

I think I worked for the devil.

Shit.

I got deviled again.

Now, let me ask you.

Yeah.

Would you ever believe that Paul Atreides could work for the devil?

Yes.

I mean, that's the subtext is essentially he might be the devil.

Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah.

You can also see possible futures, and God's telling you that to go and change it.

And so.

Kill Gene like in Dune, I see a thousand possible futures, but there is a narrow way.

There's the one outcome that could be victorious.

Yeah, but it's,

I mean, look, all I know is

that the bad guys do not like what Trump's doing.

And then the other people, you know, who I like a lot, you know, who mean well,

like David Icke, he's like, well, they're still pushing AI and they're still, you know, they're blowing up the old system to bring in the new.

And, you know, this is really the big deception.

And, of course, there's people in all those camps that are just opportunistic and want power and just want to build it and they want to be in control of it.

Okay, so they can dominate and, you know, because they're scared of others having it.

I can't judge Elon or Trump or any of that.

I just know how do you defend the old thing that didn't even want us to even know about it and deploy all of it to be anti-human and cut off energy instead of give us the free energy.

I like the idea of like

Chase quoting Dune and then Alex being like, I'm more of a harkening guy.

I'm more of a Baron.

You know, I think they did him dirty.

I think they really fucked him up whenever I...

Well, you know, he was probably the bad guy.

No.

Man.

What?

I think he was.

I think whenever he said old-fashioned artillery, he was talking about the rampant murder of a bunch of people.

Right?

That's genocide of

folk.

Oh, man.

I don't think he's one of the...

I mean, at least Darth Vader's still a good guy.

Yeah, he's cool.

Okay, good.

So this, what happened here in this clip, the way that Alan's changed the subject, I think is important because what you're hearing is rationalization.

David Icke is a lunatic and he's wrong about a ton of shit, but he had the correct conspiracy position to oppose Elon Musk.

It was very advantageous for Alex and people in his world to support Musk in terms of getting their Twitter accounts back, but it came at the expense of having to support a guy who's literally doing all of the things Alex has claimed to oppose for years.

David Icke made the right choice on this one, and he doesn't have to rationalize this kind of shit, but Alex does, and it's embarrassing.

He's trying to lesser of two evils a conversation where one side is the literal devil.

It's pretty hard to ever accept any criticisms of Trump and Musk when the basis for your support for them is they're not the devil.

This is essentially a parody level of the way that the Democratic Party has operated in the times since 2016, where anyone is better than Trump.

As long as the candidate is better than the obviously horrible things that Trump or the GOP would entail, that candidate needs to be supported because the alternative is Trump.

It's a bind that we've gotten ourselves into where we don't aspire for what's possible and good, but we're just trying to avoid the negative and we're over-compromising.

Alex is doing the same thing, but with the devil.

As long as Trump and Elon Musk are slightly better than the devil, then he has no reason to judge them.

And to be clear, that's not what Alex believes.

This is just the public-facing version of his thinking.

In reality, he supports a white identity-oriented state that upholds the social hierarchies that all coincidentally put the classes that Alex is a part of at the top.

Trump and Elon are political avatars of that white identity-oriented state that Alex wants to bring into being, so they get a pass because I guess they're not as bad as the literal devil that Alex imagines that he's fighting, and that's sad.

That's um

he he knows that he's giving Elon and Trump a pass.

Yep.

You can hear the rationalization for why, like, hey, I can't judge them because the other thing is really bad.

No, you can judge.

You're supposed to.

You're the guy who's supposed to see past

Sacred Cows, the name of your old company.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean,

the saying of it out loud, which is, hey, man, at the end of the day, the bad guys don't like them.

That means they're the good guys.

It's like a

complete abdication of any sense of

real thought.

Yeah.

I like these people.

These people are good.

The end.

So anybody who's not these people or is in opposition to those people is bad.

Doesn't matter what either of them do.

I am on this team.

Yeah.

And when a lot of the time the people you do like are determined by people you don't like not liking them, you end up in a real fucking messy situation when it's time to not like the people that your enemies also don't like.

Yeah.

And that's the bind that Alex has got himself into, and it's, it's really sad.

Yeah.

And it carries on into this next clip where they're talking about, like, hey, you can't throw stones, you know, but you can throw some stones.

No.

Just don't throw stones at Elon Musk.

Don't do that.

What?

It's a lot safer for people now to fight tyranny because in the beginning a patriot's a scarce man hated, feared, and scorned.

The full quote is, in the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man hated, feared, and scorned.

And Thomas Cause succeeds to Timothy because then it causes him to be a patriot, Mark Twain.

And so that's where we are.

We saw during the last election as well with all the people that were traditionally technocratic globalists just coming over and switching teams.

Musk was really an example of somebody who did it before.

It was cool, so it comes off to me as more authentic.

You see the Zuckerbergs kind of crawling in, and the Bezos is trying to crawl in and say nice things to Trump, and, you know, and the Sam Altmans and others.

Well, that's because they're really just followers in the system,

and they could see we were winning.

Musk came on earlier than that because his brother almost got killed in the shot, and he almost had a heart attack from it, and they took his son and cut his wiener off.

I'm sorry to say that.

I'm not trying to lessen it.

But

I think they did chemically at least and turned him against him.

I mean, they've tried that.

A lot of people I know,

one of my kids got messed with.

They never got into it, but they got a, you know, it is dangerous out there.

Yeah.

And

so that'll piss somebody off.

And see,

15 children, he loves life.

And the evangelicals go, oh, he's not very Christian.

He didn't say he was.

But

he's practicing actually creating humans and promoting what you're doing.

Yeah.

When Hillary and all of them are saying, get rid of people.

Well, it's not very Christian to throw stones either.

And I think about that all the time.

I'm not going to judge him because, oh, it's promiscuous or whatever.

I mean, everybody's got their own sins, their own stones.

Oh, King David had his best friend killed because he lost him.

Yeah, yeah.

But he genuinely

killers.

But I do throw stones when it comes to the globalists because I sin, but I don't sin like that.

I don't sin like that.

So that's fun.

I don't think Jesus would be thrilled.

Y'all got to read the.

Just the book is there.

It's there.

You can open it.

No throwing stones at Musk.

We've got to be really tolerant and understanding.

It's very unchristian for us to judge.

Now, I'll throw stones.

It's totally the opposite of the point.

I'll throw fucking stones all day at these people I don't like.

No, the guy was specific.

It was like, it was like really important that you didn't do specifically that.

He would.

Okay.

So it's easy to not throw stones

at the people you like.

The adulterer.

Right.

I'm with you.

I don't sin like that.

I'm throwing a stone.

Right.

Right.

Right.

I understand.

No, no, no, no.

I understand.

I understand where you're coming from.

They're different than you.

You see the problem here.

I don't like that person, therefore, I'm going to throw a stone at them.

Right, but that's no stones.

It's advantageous for me to not throw a stone at Elon Musk.

So I'm going to demand that everybody else not throw stones at him, and it is unchristian to throw stones at him against what I was trying to say.

But there's these vulnerable people that I have othered.

I see this is what I'm trying.

There's a like there's because you should throw stones at them.

I'm on a mountain.

Right.

All right.

Sure.

I'm out here.

I got a concert.

I'm going to be up on a mountain.

Come by, have some food.

We'll talk.

I'm going to throw a stone at you.

You sound like you want a stone thrown at you.

I mean, he did,

you know, it does feel like the crucifix should make sense at the end of this conversation.

You know what?

People who talk in riddles should have stones thrown at you.

Looks like

somebody is not wanting a stone thrown their way in the form of a crucifix.

Yeah.

No.

I think that there's just something so telling about that dynamic of Chase.

Like, we don't throw stones strategically.

Right.

Other people that I have deemed stone-worthy, I'll throw stones at those assholes.

I mean, hey, listen to each their own.

Yeah.

I suppose.

So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex talking about the afterlife and how it's actually other dimensions, and he's nuts.

And I know, it gives me great confidence, you know, that it's not an afterlife.

It's the other dimensions.

And this is just a manifestation of the higher dimensions because I have experienced it.

And I've told people this stuff on air and people go, well,

that's the Gnostics or that's this or that's Rudolf Steiner.

And I'm like, I never read that.

I go read it.

It's like, I see their perspective, the way their minds were able to put together what basically I've seen, but with my template, with the things I've seen in a more modern context conceptually, I'm surprised they got it that close with what they had at their time because it was all theoretical.

But now, a lot of this stuff is so theoretical too because it's so advanced.

I'm seeing ancient alien civilizations, other human civilizations destroyed, wars.

I mean, just you want to go into this file, that file, you know, just all the different angles.

It's just like, oh, okay.

You don't really want to look over there.

You can do whatever you want.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

See, you know,

and so

makes sense to me.

Or you come over here and then it's just such peace and completion.

You don't want to leave, but you don't want to be there either, do you?

You need to understand that.

That's what eternity is.

You can just be totally content forever and just bathe in God's presence.

Or you can go on missions.

You can go explore.

You can be an archaeologist throughout all time, all dimensions, all the universes.

It's just blasting open.

So you can play video games?

But Satanism is saying, I don't want to be part of this and creating your own little thing.

I never consented to

disborn.

That was the argument that's been happening at the guy that bombed the

Satanists always say.

Your God's the real Satanist.

He made all this and lets all this happen by giving us free will and consciousness.

He created me killing babies.

See, that's your God.

Well, And God doesn't have guilt, but I can tell you, it's God's purpose.

But God understands that we can see that as a perspective and say, was it wrong that I created you with free will?

Because

he's an artist.

There's a whole book about it.

I want other creatures that I can commune with that worship me, okay, because I love you, you love me.

That's what that is.

And then God says, well, did you have children?

Because you don't know what's going to happen.

You don't know they're going to turn into a serial killer.

They're going to die someday, but they really don't.

And so

we're not God, but we're little g

in

the first book of the Bible,

the image of God, made in the image.

Okay, so this argument fails on a number of levels.

Yeah.

I think that Alex is imagining God as like a debate gotcha guy.

Yep.

You know, because he because he knows all the answers already.

Yeah.

So he's like,

you're arguing with God.

And you're like, God, I didn't choose to be born.

Therefore, you're evil.

And all this is wrong.

I didn't consent to being born.

I totally get how you got that.

So then the response is: did you have kids?

But what if the answer is no?

Oh, well, then I obliterate you from the issue.

I don't have kids.

Well, then you're gone.

Right, but

the question: Did you have kids?

is supposed to be like, well, you put life into the world.

You knew that there was going to be pain and suffering.

Sure.

But you thought it was worthwhile to have kids of your own.

But I didn't.

Right.

So what then?

We are.

I think that I could still still make the argument, because I don't have kids, that God is cruel to unconsensually bring life into the world.

I'm not saying I would make that argument, but I could.

You know, that's why as I get older, I realize like more and more that my favorite book of the Bible is Job.

Because fuck you, that's why, makes so much more sense than everything else in this world.

You know, like literally just

why?

Fuck you.

The end.

that yes

i made a bet it makes sense yeah finally fuck me is right yes okay okay

well that's i i think that that uh

mentality takes into account the triviality of our lives in a cosmic sense sure you know like if there is if there is uh like a divine sure and there is a deity and all of this it does It's not losing sleep over whether or not we get to bask in the completion of eternity.

Nope.

It's making a bet with a devil.

Yeah, it's having fun.

Yeah.

Having a great time.

I do like the idea, though, that when you die, it's an RPG.

You get to go joy in adventures.

Yeah, I guess.

What class would you like to be in?

Do you want to be a paladin or an archaeologist?

I'm always amazed at people with that, that afterlife stuff, because I can't imagine dying and then waking up and not being like, for for real more of this shit god damn it right yeah

i i think the um

the demand for personalized experience past death yeah is always something that i'm a little bit iffy on it's very boutique it it kind of is yeah and it's i don't i don't have any kind of real problem with conceptions of afterlifes and what have you um but when you're getting that specific like alex is

do you want to be an adventurer?

Hey, listen, you can chill.

You can chill by the pool and enjoy God's love, of course.

But for our special packages, we have horseback rides, we have alien fights.

And whether or not you choose to bask in the completion and perfectness of God forever, or you decide to go on missions and do all this, that is dependent on your earthly experience.

Yeah.

Like, right, you would, it would be you, Jordan, making the decision

at the afterlife point.

Right.

And that to me is wrong.

That would suck.

Yeah.

I'd just suck.

Yeah.

It makes more sense to me the idea that our lives

on earth are decisions that our spiritual selves made to make, not the other way around.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

No, I know.

I think probably the biggest struggle that anyone could really have is just being like, pass.

You know?

Well, that's what Alex is saying.

Satanists are.

Right.

But they're part of the whole system.

You know, they got the whole God.

They got the whole hell.

They got the whole Satan thing.

Just pass.

You guys, have your fun.

Do your thing.

I'm going to sit this one out.

Sure.

That's what I say.

Well, you're evil.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That does sound true.

So I really, really,

you know, there's a be careful what you wish for kind of thing in life.

Sure.

And I think that I have wanted Alex to talk more specifically about some of his esoteric nonsense.

And I think he is and is not doing that.

And

I don't enjoy it because he's sober.

I think we were younger.

I think we were less experienced.

And I think we were unsure of quite how the world fully worked when we invited Alex to get sober.

Yeah.

I think we were

naive.

I imagined a world where Trump wasn't president.

Exactly.

Yeah.

There's a whole series of things around it.

I wanted what was best for him and the people around him because I thought that there was a lot of hope

for larger society.

Right.

And now I'm not positive that that is the case, and I want him to be drunk.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yep.

This is unpalatable.

Yeah.

Him talking to Chase about the fucking afterlife and how he's glimpsed beyond the veil of reality into all of the extinct civilizations over time.

That should be the best shit in the world.

And it made me realize, I don't want an Alex Jones painting show.

I want an Alex Jones painting drunk show.

Yeah, absolutely.

I don't want Alex throwing hatchets around the studio sober because that's never going to happen.

No.

He needs to be drunk.

And if it did happen while he was sober, it would be calculated and it would be bullshit.

Yes.

If it happens when he's drunk, there's a higher possibility that it is pure rampant nature.

Yep.

Tennyson's red in tooth and claw.

Yep.

We're talking that kind of nature.

So I apologize for how hypocritical this legitimately is of me, but I beg Alex to start drinking again.

I don't, you know,

hypocrisy can come from

many different places, but I don't think it can come from a place of humility.

I humbly suggest that I was incorrect in the past.

I was wrong, too.

I was wrong.

I admit that I was wrong, and I take accountability for my failures.

So that's a great message.

Yep.

Anyway, we'll check in, see how Alex is doing in the future.

But

until then, we have a website.

Indeed, we do.

It's knowledgefight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the mysterious professor.

Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.

And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.