#1033: April 25, 2025

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan.

Dan.

Jordan.

Quick question for you.

What's up?

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

My bright spot today is, I guess I got a new trimmer.

All right.

And it has a bunch of attachments.

Okay.

And so it's got a nice nose hair trimmer.

Oh.

And I've not, I've been one for plucking nose hair.

Oh, yeah.

Sometimes, you know,

I enjoy the way that it kind of hurts.

Chewpit.

No, no, I understand what you're talking about.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I find this much more efficient.

I've never had like a buzzy nose hair trimmer that I've used.

So I tried that out.

Pretty nice.

Yeah.

That's a I'm getting old type of white spot.

I've always been a scissors guy.

Because frankly, no, I've been the other direction.

I'm scared of those.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I can handle scissors.

Somehow I'm fine with scissors, despite having a tremor.

It's very sharp.

Despite having a tremor.

Yeah, I don't.

I've never really been able to master the dexterity that it takes to get the scissors in there right, right up your nose.

I understand.

The backwards one on the left is tough.

This one, this is just shove it up there and let it

go with God.

You're convincing me.

I'm at the go-with-God stage of cleaning myself.

Yeah.

So, what's your bright spot?

My bright spot is,

well,

let me put it.

Have you ever seen the movie Phantom Thread?

No.

I've seen Phantom Menace.

Different movie.

So Phantom Thread, I think, is a P.T.

Anderson movie with that guy who's like a really good actor.

And

essentially,

he's too busy.

He works too hard.

He's in a tumultuous relationship with his wife.

And then he gets very ill, and his wife gets the chance to take care of him and spend time with him.

And their relationship works like that.

And then it kind of turns into a cyclical thing, like he keeps getting ill.

Anyways, the twist is it turns out they have a weird kind of fetish thing going on where she feeds him poison mushrooms and they kind of get off on it.

Spoiler alerts for Phantom Thread.

Right, right, right.

It's a lot, it's pretty old.

So here's how the thunderbolts end.

But, anyways, what I'm trying to say is that my wife is gravely ill.

Is she still gravely ill?

Yeah, she's not.

Oh, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we've spent a lot of time with

like doctor people

yesterday.

But the point is,

she's not in, she's in the situation where it's like, stuff is awful, but then it'll be not awful.

Right.

You know, it's not the situation where it's like, stuff is awful, and then, oh boy, we don't know what's going to happen.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm sorry to hear this, and

we're all pulling for your wife to feel better.

But like, the way you brought this up

leads me to think you caused this illness for the sake of self-arousal.

No, what I'm trying to do is turn it into a bright spot so as not to be overwhelmed.

You know what I'm saying?

Sure.

So what I'm trying to do is focus on how I'm spending more time with her over the next couple of days.

That is a positive.

Because she can't go to work.

Well, hey, I mean,

you know, you take that special together time when you can.

Exactly.

So that's what I'm focusing on.

Okay.

It's more together time.

See,

I think that's great.

And I think we've landed on a positive thing.

That's what I'm working on.

I think that bringing up the phantom Thread and describing the plot that way makes you very suspicious.

Yeah, no, that's fair.

That's fair.

And I accept that suspicion.

I'm just struggling to find references to make this a possible.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, I mean, I think you could have just left the Phantom Thread out of it.

Well, that's possible.

That's possible.

And it sucks, too, that the challenge season is over.

Yeah.

You know, you can't even spend some time.

You know,

we have extra free time to binge.

What we do have, we've got Taskmaster to look forward to to share together.

So that's what we've got.

Yep.

First episode is out.

Yep.

Good times.

Oh, man.

A lot of fun.

Zook is delivering so far.

The balance is good.

Uh-huh.

Yep.

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

Yes.

And I don't know.

It stinks.

To quote Jay Sherman.

It stinks.

And we'll get to it here in a second.

But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.

That's a great idea.

So, first,

happy opening day to Jordan and all the other wonks who love baseball.

Go, Padres.

Thank you so much.

You're now a a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Next, Will loves his Britty.

Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And the hairiest communist teacher in all of Sweden.

And I would love to specify that I am a teacher who is a communist rather than a teacher of communism.

Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So thank you so much to Andy from Sports.

You're on my throat.

Thanks for standing.

Thank you so much.

You're now a technocrat.

I'm a policy wonk.

Sport stars.

Don't honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

He's a loser,

little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ.

You're from sports, right?

I am from sports.

I was born in sports.

You merely adopted it.

Did you and Andy know each other back in sports?

Did not.

Did not.

You don't know all the Andes and sports.

I found out there's too many of them.

There's a lot of Andes and sports.

You know what Sports National Anthem is.

What is Sports National Anthem?

The whole Huey Lewis and the News album.

The whole album.

Wow,

that's a long anthem.

Yeah, games take forever to start.

To start, yeah.

So, Jordan, today we're going to be talking about our primary ding-dong.

All right.

We're going to be talking about Alex on April 25th, 2025, 25, 25, 4, 25, 25.

Yep.

Oh, gotcha.

Yep.

So a lot of big, a lot of big shit's happening.

And

this is the day after news broke that a judge in Milwaukee had been arrested.

Yes.

And so this is the story that Alex leads off the show with.

Okay.

I woke up to some really good news at 4 a.m.

this morning.

A lot of good news.

Not one, but two of these activist Democrat Party judges that got raided yesterday and this morning in New Mexico and in Wisconsin by the FBI for their cut and dry obstructing justice, violating federal law, and protecting gangbangers, illegal aliens, you name it.

We already discussed the case of the arrested judge in New Mexico, but now there's a second high-profile instance of the Trump administration arresting a judge.

No matter how concerned you may be about it, I think you might be

maybe should be a little more concerned.

You know, this is bad, scary stuff.

So, this is about a judge in Milwaukee named Hannah Dugan, who's accused of intentionally misdirecting federal agents.

A man was scheduled to appear in her court for a domestic violence charge, and ICE agents decided to come scoop him up there to deport him.

From NBC News, quote, Dugan and another unnamed judge are alleged to have confronted the agents in the hallway, asking them whether they had a judicial warrant and telling them to speak to the chief judge, according to the affidavit.

After Dugan escorted Flores Ruiz and his lawyer through the jury door, agents pursued them by foot and took Flores Ruiz into custody.

And then the FBI arrested Dugan after this, the judge.

This is a real mess of a situation because, in a very technical legal sense, her arrest isn't just a flimsy piece of political theater and intimidation.

Dugan was arrested after an FBI agent filed an affidavit, so none of this is proven in court, but based on the details outlined in that document, Dugan's actions are a bit suspicious.

For one thing, she ushered the guy and his lawyer out the jury door and then returned to the bench to hear more cases.

From the affidavit, quote, later that morning, Attorney B realized that Flores Ruiz's case had never been called and asked the court about it.

Attorney B learned that Flores Ruiz's case had been adjourned.

This happened without Attorney B's knowledge or participation, even though Attorney B was present in court to handle Flores Ruiz's case on behalf of the state and even though victims were present in the courtroom.

There are a lot of open questions about this whole situation.

For instance, Dugan seemed to believe that the agents who were there needed to have a judicial warrant for their arrest, whereas they only had an administrative warrant.

According to the law, she's incorrect, but if she did believe that was needed, her telling them to talk to the chief judge becomes less suspicious.

The government's angle on it is that her telling them to do this, to go to the chief judge, it was a ploy to get them away from the courtroom so she could allow for Flores Ruiz to escape.

However, in the affidavit, when the agents were able to speak to the chief judge, he said he was, quote, working on a policy which would dictate locations within the courthouse where ICE could safely conduct enforcement actions.

That strongly indicates that it was a fluid situation where Dugan may not have had clear directions on how to handle this, and it might be reasonable to think that she believed all such arrests at the courthouse were inappropriate.

Even if this is the case, there does appear to be a bit of subterfuge subterfuge in her actions,

which I personally don't think is that bad.

I don't really have a problem with it, but I can understand how a court might.

Well, yeah, I mean, if you're

a hero if you're on the Underground Railroad, but you also accept the possibility that if you get caught, you're fucked.

Yeah.

It is also a crime in a very technical legal sense.

Yeah.

I've read up a bit on this case, and it does seem like the idea of arresting Dugan isn't some senseless authoritarian move, but it's also not appropriate.

It's a wildly outsized reaction to the information provided in that affidavit, and it's hard not to see this as making a statement.

It's very hard to see this as an isolated incident.

Yeah.

You know,

if you had this set of circumstances presented in a textbook as a hypothetical situation, I think it's easy to judge Dugan's actions more harshly, but that requires ignoring the reality of the anti-immigrant sentiment that our government is clearly operating off of and the danger that ICE represents to people.

At a time when people scooped up by immigration agents are ending up being taken to detention centers in El Salvador and the bar for what can get someone in trouble with immigration officials is becoming lower and more vague, it makes more sense for a judge to not want her courtroom to be used as a trap to ensnare people on behalf of ICE.

Even if Flores Ruiz is guilty of the crimes that he was charged with, he was in her courtroom to stand trial on those charges, not his immigration status.

So I can imagine her not wanting to be used as an instrument for that.

But even that relies on a little bit of me assuming her mental state.

As someone who wants to know part of Enabling ICE, it's easy for me to read this case and project that motivation onto her, but that might not have been the situation at all.

We don't know.

Making a lot of assumptions.

Sure.

I think that folks who want to justify Dugan's arrest are going to be able to.

But even so, it represents the direction that things are going, and it's very bad.

I think it speaks to

a dangerous precedent and shit, even if I think her actions descriptively could probably be like, hey, you're not supposed to do that.

Well, I mean, the FBI is sending a message through that one guy, which makes sense.

And then,

you know, they think like the ICE people, it makes sense.

You know, they're trapped there.

Why not go catch them where they're trapped, right?

Obviously.

Sure.

Only you have to remember the thing that they always remember like 20 years too late, which is that now no one's going to show up to court, you idiots.

Why would you show up to court?

That's where ICE is.

So nobody's going to show up to court.

It's a push and pull, you know, because that dynamic does exist.

And then at the same time,

you know, if someone is presumably a big threat, like, and it's dangerous to try and bring them into custody,

being at a courthouse is strong.

Because you come into a position where they've walked through metal detectors and they're somewhere where it's pretty safe to try and and apprehend them.

I understand that.

No, it makes sense.

So now I'm not going to be there, though.

It's an advantageous place.

That's the other side of the seesaw, you know?

Yeah.

We are fighting, right?

I'm not going to go to a place where you have all the advantages.

Yeah, likely not.

I don't know.

I think that this situation is a mess.

And I think that it's very easy to get drawn into a like, she did nothing wrong.

And

I'm willing to believe that on a personal level, but I'm not willing to pretend that the law doesn't say, like,

you can't just usher people out of a court.

Right, right.

I mean, you know,

that's the thing.

If you want to stand up for what you believe in, part of that is sometimes

the people who believe against you are going to hit you.

Yeah, and that's complicated.

Yeah.

But anyway, I don't care for Alex's position on celebrating this.

Unsurprising.

Yeah.

So COVID is still a deadly bioweapon

and such, and Alex has a new whistleblower on that front.

Plus, new Pfizer whistleblower who

warns the shots are poisoned, joins Alex Jones live on air.

Great job to American Journal.

I was working out this morning when the show started, but I

then went and looked on InfoWars who they had on.

I was in my office making some phone calls, and I

went, wait a minute, they've got the big whistleblower on first

that Elon Musk just responded to massively and went public and said, look, it wasn't just his brother almost got killed by the shot.

He thought he was having a heart attack when he took the mRNA shot.

He didn't say it was Pfizer or Moderna, but that's the same stuff.

Darnis is four times stronger.

And I told you that's what, you know, woke up

Musk.

I was told by people very close to Musk that he got sick from it, but I didn't know it was his heart.

So

it really hurt his brother bad and a bunch of his top engineers.

So he's a smart guy.

He can look around.

It's not anecdotal when a bunch of your people get sick.

Well, where's this engineer?

Where's that person that's always here?

Where's the other workaholics like me, my best buddies?

Well,

they're having myocarditis, sir,

or they're having autoimmune disorders.

Well, they're in a coma.

Oh, where's my son?

Oh, they grabbed him and they're sterilizing him.

Oh, well, who's doing that?

Oh, oh, it's a New World Order.

Alex Jones is right.

So that's coming up.

So it's still anecdotal when you have multiple instances of something you observe.

These are just anecdotes.

We're hearing with no proof of anything.

That's what it means.

Having two friends who are sick can make you more persuaded by the anecdotal evidence that you're looking at, but it doesn't magically become empirical evidence because there's more stuff to look at.

This is a failing that Alex's information space has.

He doesn't understand what it means to prove something, and in the absence of that concept, he's replaced proving with persuading.

If he can rattle off a bunch of shit, he may be able to persuade the listener of a point, but he hasn't proved anything.

That's kind of the whole strategy of the information war when you really get down to it and what he uses like a crutch.

Yeah.

Alex says this big scoop, but he actually got scooped by Harrison Smith.

Oh, no.

Harrison must be like, okay, anybody who interacts with Elon Musk, we're going to try to get them on.

It does feel like that.

And now Alex has been fucked because this big guest that he wanted to have on, Harrison had him on that morning.

God damn it.

So it's yet another fake whistleblower claiming that the COVID vaccines are poison.

This guy's name is Justin Leslie, and he worked with James O'Keefe and has written some affidavits that he sent to The Hague, hoping to get all the usual suspects charged with crimes against humanity.

I like it.

I guess that Elon interacted with this guy on Twitter, and now Alex is tripping over his feet to try to get him on the show, but I don't think he did his homework.

Leslie doesn't really have any strong evidence-based claims to blow the whistle on, and an essential part of his story is that James O'Keefe and Project Veritas were involved in trying to squash his story.

They reached out to him to get undercover footage and offered him a job specifically to string him along and never release his information, according to Justin.

He's basically accusing James O'Keefe of being controlled opposition and says that O'Keeffe admitted to going to Bohemian Grove, so this might not be exactly what Alex is looking for.

Also, there are little tip-offs in his self-written affidavits that Leslie might be a bit of a sovereign citizen type.

It does not come off great reading those affidavits.

The first bullet point on all of them is like, I am a real human.

Love it.

You know what?

That's the kind of crazy that I wish we could return to.

I feel like that was the crazy thing.

Like, I like to see them now.

It's almost quaint.

It's like, yes, you keep believing that stuff.

As long as you believe that, you're not in the real world causing havoc.

I am a flesh and blood capital letter human.

You know what?

I agree with you.

Good for you.

Let's reinforce that.

So, Alex has been a staunch supporter of Romanian presidential candidate Kalin Georgescu.

Right.

He's come on the show, and

there's some updates in Romanian politics.

Great.

All right.

There's a lot more on the trade war and the stocks.

Oh, big news.

Romanian judge defies globalist overlords, overrides the Soros lower court, overturns deep state's coup d'état annulment of anti-NATO candidate Colleen Georgescu.

And we're working on getting him to pop on.

Oh.

So now he won the first round by a huge majority,

which meant he will win

last round.

In fact, usually without their constitution, he might not even have had the election.

And now he's even more popular.

Shit is a total mess with the election in Romania.

That sounds right.

The latest news is that a lower appeals court ruled that the original election results shouldn't have been thrown out, which is crazy.

Great.

Yeah.

A new election has already been scheduled and is actually happening right now.

So

it's not even feasible for this court's opinion to be put into action.

Cancel it.

But there's a deeper problem.

The suspension of the election was done by the Romanian Constitutional Court, and this appeals court does not have the ability to overturn things decided by the Constitutional Court.

Alex is pretending this is a lower court, but it is not.

The court has jurisdiction over like administrative matters, which doesn't include rulings from the Constitutional Court.

Right, right, right.

So basically, this court ruling should never have even been possible.

They were hearing a moot question that the court itself had no ability to rule on, which is why a former Romanian judge described the whole thing as, quote, judicial abuse.

Yeah, that sounds right.

Alex is lying about this story and the underlying story because he doesn't care about lying when it serves his purposes to lie.

Like Joe Rogan described it, the Alex Jones problem.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kalen Georgescu got just under 23% in the first round of voting in the initial election, and the second-place candidate, Elena Lasconi, got just over 19%.

Alex is saying that Georgescu won the first round with a huge majority because he's a liar.

And he's a liar because lying is the easiest way for him to do his job.

Yeah.

He doesn't require him to work in the margins or create points.

Right, right, right.

Just fake it.

Yeah.

Just lie about it.

Yeah, so anyway, I mean, it's a best, though.

I like that.

Yeah.

I, here's what I think, uh, because, and I think a lot of people might

exaggerate, but

I think a lot of judges are batshit insane, right?

Not all of them, and not a ton of them, but more than is okay.

Sure.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, if there's 5%

of people who work at a mail office who are, like, not that great, and maybe a little megalomaniacal, You're going to be okay.

We're all going to make it through.

5% of judges is too high.

Right.

That's too high.

Right.

You know?

Well, you know, you have that

label of this is a no-nonsense judge.

No.

But that's.

I want some nonsense.

Well, no, that's not even.

That's not even what I'm saying.

I'm saying that the fact that people had to clarify that this judge is a no-nonsense judge.

Exactly.

It means that there might be a nonsense problem.

And yeah, and a small percent of

judges

who, if they're baddy, then

it can be like, listen, 5% normally is good.

We should be proud of 95% success rate.

That, right?

That's an A.

That's almost A plus.

But with judges, you just can't.

5% is a lot to fuck shit up with.

Yeah, and I think that oftentimes when a judge is

a mess, they're not going to be like really visually.

Well, they're already wearing a dress.

Right.

They have a fun costume.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's not a super villain branding kind of thing that they do.

No, no.

And the hard part is it's so, and it's because it's so impossible to undo their shit.

You know, it's also, but also, like, I think the problem that you get into is, like, why would you want to be a judge?

Isn't it already a terrible idea?

People are generally like,

hey, you're being too judgy.

Yeah.

That's a, that's a social kind of faux pas.

Absolutely.

And now your whole job is judging?

Judges aren't on anybody's team.

It's very strange.

That's the idea, right?

Strange impulse.

Yeah.

So Alex talks about the judge that got arrested some more, and like they're all just, they're committing obstruction of justice.

Let's start plowing into

the big one.

You have these immigration judges

that are

openly,

federal and state

saying, We don't care what the cut-and-dry law says, we don't care if an immigration court and a person's illegal alien and even has another criminal record on top of them illegally coming here.

We aren't going to work with you.

We are, in fact,

we're not going to let you know when they're even in jail for something.

And then when we release them, we're not going to notify the feds.

And then we're going to house them in our houses, like the governor

of

New Jersey bragging.

And Tom Moment said, Fine, you've been referred for criminal prosecution.

And you've got AOC holding public

seminars and training events with illegal aliens, including known gang members and criminals,

on how to

evade federal warrants.

That is cut-and-dry obstruction of justice.

That is aiding and abetting someone absconding.

I get what Alex is saying, but he really needs to be held responsible for the implications of his positions.

AOC isn't holding workshops where she tells people how to evade warrants.

She's been working to help people understand their rights so they don't get jammed up if ICE shows up somewhere.

Alex cannot believe that informing people of their rights is a subversive act because his career is entirely based on knowing your rights so you can stand up to the police state.

One of his old sponsors was a book that taught people where to hide their guns, many of them needing to hide these guns because they were felons who weren't legally allowed to possess them.

It's things like this that represent his complete betrayal of the character that he used to pretend to be.

He could be someone who wants immigrants deported while still being someone who's deeply concerned about the preservation of individual rights, but he's not because he never really cared about the preservation of rights to begin with.

That was the respectable facade that he put on in order to not feel bad about the monstrous positions he actually wanted to advance.

So fuck him.

Yeah, I don't know how you can.

I don't, I kind of don't know how you can support ICE, period, without also being like, I probably would have supported the slave catchers, right?

Like, there's no functional difference other than time period.

And I think that's a fair assessment of the way Alex would operate and does operate.

Yeah, yeah.

So there have been some instances of people who have been snatched up by ICE and maybe shipped over to El Salvador.

But how is it okay to have a government that snatches people up and then sends them places, period.

Like, before we even get into specifics.

What is that?

How is that a thing we say?

Sometimes they say it was an accident.

It's fine.

What?

It's a prank.

We can't.

No.

No, you can't.

Alex has self-described the jail in El Salvador as a prison planet.

Right.

That was his idea.

He's very excited about that.

And so he discusses the case of one of these people who has been in the headlines frequently as a Maryland man.

Right, right, right, right.

Which is really making a lot of the right-wing really angry because they don't view him as a person from Maryland.

Well,

it's the total 90-10 issue.

They keep calling it 80-20.

Every issue that's 80-20, 80% popular,

what Trump is doing, which is true on the border stuff, it's like 87.

And the Democrats are for the 15% or whatever.

But a lot of these things are like 95-5,

where the Democrats are picking the thing that almost no one supports and now it's turned out that their little poster child out of Maryland you know gets caught with smugglers in a smuggler car smuggling people years ago and and just you know just everywhere of course

of course

it looks like the guy's like a capo

in ms 13

But it matters.

He's here illegally.

But the New York Times says he was just living quietly in Maryland when he's getting picked up all over the country and they're putting in the police reports.

This is a smuggler vehicle owned by smugglers with these illegals.

This is a smuggling operation, we believe, but then they just get turned loose by the Soros DAs that control almost every town in this country.

So Alex is talking about the case of Kilmer Abrego Garcia, who's a guy who lived in Maryland and then was taken by ICE and sent to a jail in El Salvador.

The Trump administration claimed that he was a member of MS-13, but then when lawyers pushed back on the fact that they haven't proved or provided any evidence of that, the government tried to say that they'd sent Garcia to an El Salvadoran prison due to a, quote, administrative error.

Abrego Garcia fled from El Salvador when he was 16 because gangs were threatening to kill his family.

He lived here for the past 14 years, working a construction job, getting married to a U.S.

citizen, and raising a family.

I'm not sure he's the best person in the world, and I don't really think that matters in this case, because he was legitimately abducted and sent to a foreign prison, specifically one in a country that the U.S.

immigration courts had previously determined that he faced a well-founded danger in returning to.

Ever since this case has come up and the Trump administration made an insane admission that he was sent there by an administrative error, it's been the mission of the right-wing media to justify Abrego Garcia's arrest and deportation, so they've been finding whatever dirt they can on him to make his kidnapping seem okay after the fact.

There was an argument that he was a gang member, and that was based on testimony of a confidential informant after Abrego Garcia was arrested in 2019 for loitering outside a Home Depot looking for work.

This informant said that he was part of a gang in New York, despite him never having lived in New York.

There's credibility issues with this part of the allegation.

Sure.

Then there's this new piece that Alex is talking about, where Tennessee police have released video of a traffic stop from 2022 where Abrego Garcia is pulled over for speeding in a car with eight passengers.

Abrego Garcia explained that they had been on a job in Missouri and were traveling to Maryland for another job.

In the video, the officers speculate about how this could be human trafficking, but it's never established, nor is it even seriously alleged.

The cops let him go with a warning, and the situation had nothing to do with a Soros DA, like Alex is trying to pretend.

This is all bullshit.

This is a really clear-cut case of an immigration kidnapping, which is why you see people like Alex working to justify it.

They want more of this kind of thing, and they know that they can get the public to care a little bit less if they demonize the person who is a subject of that kidnapping.

If they make the narrative that this guy deserved to be sent to an El Salvadoran prison, they make it easier to justify later kidnappings and disappearings.

And that's the game Alex is playing.

Sure.

After-the-fact rationalization, oh, yeah, sure, they did that, and it was crazy, but he wasn't that good a guy.

Like, who cares?

Yeah, I mean,

but that's the other side of the judge thing: is that if you had any courage as a judge, you'd be like, well, now you guys are kidnappers, because that's the definition of crimes that we call kidnapping.

The people who snatched him, we enter into

crazy territory.

So now you are on trial for kidnapping, you kidnappers.

Yeah, the Supreme Court has said that they need to work to get him back.

And

Trump has said, nah.

Yeah, I mean, make me.

What?

What kind of idiot would even...

If I was the Supreme Court, I would have said, yeah, I guess it's fine, because at least then you don't admit that there's no way for you to enforce anything if he just decides he doesn't want to.

I think at certain points in the past, we have been like, oh, man, this is going to lead to a constitutional crisis.

And it turns out we're just constantly living in those crises and we're pretending that they aren't happening.

So Alex plays a clip of Tom Homan, The Borders Are.

And

I honestly found this chilling.

Great.

Yeah.

Good stuff.

Yeah.

I found this to be one of the scarier clips I've heard from an official in a while.

Cool.

Here's Tom Homan.

Yes, sir.

The president said this, and I quote: We cannot give everyone a trial because to do so would take without exaggeration 200 years.

Now, the court has said that those subject to the statue needed to be given the opportunity to challenge their removal.

To me, I interpret that as a sense of due process.

How do you interpret that?

I think due process was given.

Like the Merriman father, the MS-13 terrorist, that was removed, he had due process.

He was ordered removed by two different immigration judges.

But

here's what they're doing, Bill.

Here's the plan.

The Biden administration overwhelmed the system.

10.5 million people came to the border.

They know it's going to take years to get through the court docket.

By then, they're hoping there's another Democratic administration in.

They'll have U.S.

citizen children.

Then all of a sudden, nobody wants them removed.

We're spoiling their plans to have future Democratic voters and through a census have control of the House through a census vote, Democratic Sanctuary Cities get more seats in the House.

This is their plan.

That's why they overwhelm the system.

That's why they didn't detain them.

When they detained them, they get a hearing in 35 days.

They released them.

Now it's going to take five to seven years.

They're going to keep playing this game to the immigration courts through appeal after appeal after appeal, district judge, district judge, to slow us down because their hopes is they'll gain power again.

then they can award an amnesty to 10 million illegal aliens that are released in this country illegally.

That is their plan.

And we're trying to remove these public safety threats and national security threats as quick as possible.

They're putting every roadblock imaginable in front of us to prevent us from doing that.

So that's the Trump borders are arguing that giving people a day in court is a roadblock that the Democrats have put in place to stop him from being able to expel immigrants.

Sure.

I think that this is a very important snapshot because this is normal now, apparently.

Sure.

This is a highly influential member of the president's cabinet who's on TV saying that accepting immigrants and

refugee seekers into the country it's part of a conspiracy to create more Democrat voters and shift the census so there are more Democrat seats in Congress.

This is insane right-wing conspiracy propaganda, and in a functional world, saying things like this would immediately disqualify someone from holding public office.

He should be impeached immediately.

At its core, what Homan is expressing is a white nationalist narrative.

The Republican Party and Trump's base in particular view themselves as the last hope for, quote, traditional Americans, which is to say white people of European descent.

Democrats winning elections is understood as the erosion of this power base, the toppling of the hierarchy where white people are on the top, because Democrats push multicultural ideas.

The Democrats could never get elected on their own because the traditional Americans would always win in a fair contest, which is why the Democrats are trying to bring in all of these non-white populations who would naturally be inclined to oppose the hierarchical society where white people are on top, which is just and good and natural.

We have top government officials who are expressing this on TV.

And honestly, I don't care if he believes it or not.

The fact that someone can say something like this and not immediately get impeached, I really do think that it's a strong indication that our system might be broken beyond repair.

Sure.

This, I can't,

I can't believe this.

I mean, I feel like we've been,

you know, like, okay, my entire life, right?

People really like to be like, ah, we're the good guys in World War II thing.

And then it was cool that we punished the Nazis.

And now I feel like we were too hard on the Nazis.

Because, boy, if you want to,

oh, you can't look at them and not look at us and be like, ah, fuck.

Maybe we are.

It's interesting that you're making that point because

you'll be coming face to face with a little bit of a Nazi here.

Good, great.

So Alex has that whistleblower, that COVID whistleblower on the show, and he gives him an introduction.

And that's when I realized, I don't care about this at all.

People that don't know about your story, you should probably recap that.

So I was a formulation analytical scientist that worked directly on the COVID-19 vaccine.

It was my first job out of college.

I was 23 years old when I first started working there.

I started working there in March of 2021.

So the vaccine rollout had already started.

But I knew that the vaccines were injuring and killing people initially,

in which, you know, I was looking for a job opportunity, like I was telling Harrison on the American Journal, but I also knew that I knew better and that I had the opportunity to be a whistleblower if I took the job and see how it was from within and, you know, take it all from a truth tellers and truth seekers perspective, someone who is critical and hyper-critical of what was going on inside the walls of Pfizer.

So introducing this story, this guy has shot himself in the foot.

He's not a whistleblower.

He's an activist who took a job somewhere with the explicit intention of gathering information that pushed a predetermined conclusion.

He wasn't someone who worked at Pfizer, who knew things and just had to get them off his chest.

He set out from the jump to support the narrative that he wanted to push.

And it's boring.

I'm not saying you can't do something like this.

It's just that it's not whistleblowing.

Trying to frame his actions in that category is just dishonest.

He also didn't work for Pfizer.

In his affidavit, he says that he got a bachelor's degree from Rhode Island University in Biomedical and Pharmaceutical Sciences and then got a job with Mindlance Incorporated.

They're basically a staffing and temp agency that a lot of people view as quite disreputable.

If they were providing contracted work for Pfizer, then it would have been the lowest of entry-level positions, which makes me a bit suspicious about what this guy even did for work and how long he might have been there.

His affidavit also makes me not trust him much, since he says, quote, virology itself is a pseudoscience, also creates no need for a vaccine and should be considered a bioweapon.

He also said, quote, virology has been proven pseudoscientific and there is no need for any vaccines ever.

I am a human being.

His affidavit backs up things he's citing by

pointing to things that are posted on like Mike Adams' site natural news.

Naturally, so that's how serious this should be taken.

Of course.

Fuck off.

I don't care.

What a whistleblower.

Yeah.

But I guess Elon interacted with him on Twitter, so cool.

It's not quite going to a meat packing plant and revealing that the state of the world isn't what we want it to be.

He does have a website where you can buy supplements and stuff, so he's getting on the right track.

Man, they just, it is like,

it is like a

remara or something.

Do you know what I mean?

Like the pill agent, the supplement agents are just like there.

The moment somebody's, they're like, oh, yeah, we can sell supplements through this guy.

Like, it's amazing.

Well, it's just kind of an evolution of the affiliate link kind of

marketing strategy.

All you have to do is really get enough eyes to your thing

and then people will want to use you and you can make a little cut.

And so why not?

I was a temp at a place.

Oh, I know that COVID's a bioweapon.

Oh,

great.

Get it while you can.

Get your gifts and go up.

Make whatever

hawk two of this thing, man.

No, it does feel like occasionally sometimes all you need for a career is just gall, Just the willingness to fucking do it.

And kind of spit on that thing.

Yeah, find people who use you.

Yeah.

So I told you you would have to come face to face with the Nazi, and it's coming earlier than you think because Alex has Nick Fuentes in studio.

Great.

Yeah.

It's bad.

I bet.

Well, you'll find him at Nick Jay Fuentes on Rumble

and on X and some other places at Nick Jay Fuentes.

And he is in studio with us for the next hour and 53 plus minutes.

And it should be a lively discussion, debate.

Always great.

You know, I've been inviting you on the show for a few weeks, trying to get you on, and you were too busy.

You said, nope.

You texted me last Friday.

You said, how about next Friday?

You said you were going to be in Texas, so you're here.

And it's great to have Nick Fuentez with us.

Obviously, one of the most attacked and demonized people out there.

Very, very controversial.

One of the biggest interviews ever was you and

I Love Hitler here.

Yay.

That was certainly interesting.

And, you know, my perspective on this is you can't be mad at Nick Jay Fuentes

for

the things he says when you have the left and the corporate media all saying white people are inherently evil

and all of their.

Is that how it works?

Yeah, apparently.

So I'm going to cut through the bullshit.

Alex supports neo-Nazi and white nationalist ideas.

It's just that simple.

It's cute that he's trying to mask his bigotry by saying that you can't judge Nick for being a white supremacist when the left is being so anti-white.

As long as you can describe the left as being anti-white, then there's no space for criticizing white supremacists.

The issue here is that if you accept that framing, then all you have to do to enable and support white supremacists is to pretend that the left is anti-white.

As long as you're able to push a narrative that says the left is anti-white, you have carte blanche to never take responsibility for your part in endorsing white supremacy.

And if you look at the things that Alex think represent anti-white sentiment on the left, it becomes very obvious that he's deeply invested in creating the perception that the left is anti-white, as opposed to documenting and discussing real instances of racism.

He goes out of his way to create narratives that paint the left as anti-white because the more successful he is in doing that, the more cover he has to promote people like Nick.

The bottom line is that Alex wants to be a white supremacist, but he really doesn't want to have people make him feel bad about it.

By presenting things this way, he can have his cake and eat it too, and it's pretty obvious.

Yeah.

Especially the way he articulated that at the end.

That makes it pretty.

I mean, yeah.

I think that's just that.

That's one of those things where it's like, now we, it's 2025.

Now, when you see the framing, you can't be mad at blank if other team blank.

It just can't, we can't do it anymore.

Not really.

We can't.

You know,

you used to hear it and you used to be like, well, maybe there, but now

we know you can't.

You can't.

Yeah.

You just can't.

Yep.

Yep.

So Nick discusses how he's really just a reaction.

Sounds right.

The country's been super far left for such a long time.

You got crime, degeneracy, mass migration, globalism.

I mean, this is what gave rise to people like yourself in one generation, people like me in the next.

We respond to the need.

The world is undergoing a horrible revolution.

I think horrible changes, or I think has been for a long time.

And we're the counter revolution.

We're the counter movement.

We're the reaction.

So I totally agree with you.

And I appreciate, I want to make it clear, you are a champion of free speech.

I know a lot of people give you a hard time.

Some people question whether you're 100% legit, but you are legit.

You always have been.

And you've always given me a platform on the shelf.

So I really appreciate that.

I guess you can say that Nick is a reaction to the country being far left for so long in the same way that the Nazis pretended that they just wanted to save Germany from the degeneracy of the Weimar Republic.

Regressive authoritarian bigots always rely on these kinds of rationales to avoid avoid feeling bad about the things they promote and do.

Always insisting that they started it is a self-soothing tactic.

And I can understand why it's necessary for people like Nick to get through the day.

But this is also pretty funny.

He is really being

kissing Alex's ass.

And at first, I thought, like, ooh, that's a bad sign.

Because he's usually like, you know, a much freer entity than Alex.

And I thought, like, uh-oh, he's kissing the ring here in a way that makes me think that things are bad.

And in honesty, I think it's just that he's trying to butter Alex up.

Yeah.

I don't think that it's out of desperation.

No.

I think it's out of a, like.

It's pachenicky.

I think it's more hostile than that.

Wow.

Fair enough.

I think that he knows that he's called Alex a fat liar who works for the Jews and stuff like that.

Yeah.

Like he's done a bunch of really awful shit.

Yeah.

And so Alex could bring that up in a way that's confrontational.

And by doing this, he cuts that off.

I think this is a defensive move on his part to just be like, I'm not even going to let you bring it up.

I'm just going to kiss your ass, and your vanity and ego won't allow you to attack me, calling you a fake piece of shit.

Yep.

I agree, because, of course, you are a fake piece of shit.

The problem with this conversation is you embody the thing that I called you.

Yeah.

Therefore, you are known.

Yeah.

In order to now attack me on this front, you risk making yourself not feel good.

Yep.

And I think

a masterful move.

It's an interesting space to live in because I couldn't, I can't live there.

If he had said that about me, I would be like, okay, we have to settle this thing before we can even talk again.

There's no need for us to talk until this is settled.

This is between us.

Right, right.

But not really, because Alex's entire conflict with Nick is basically like, play the game.

Right.

Let's make some money.

Let's do business together here.

Let's fucking fake a lot of this shit.

Let's mask things.

Yep.

And Nick isn't super into that.

So Alex wouldn't want to flesh this out on air.

Yeah.

Exactly.

That's a space that I, it's like an interesting space to live.

Yeah.

How do you live in a non-continuity in reality?

I don't think you can.

I don't know.

So

one of the things that a lot of people attack Alex for is the fact that his family seemed to all be in intelligence operations.

That does seem strange.

He has a lot of stories about various people from his family who are the CIA.

Awfully connected to the government.

Yeah, and so he and

Nick talk a little bit about this.

Okay.

Well, I mean, I've seen you, I think, from memory, you say, well, he has said some of his family was doing some of the government stuff.

I've been saying that for 30 plus years.

It's true.

And that's how I grew up knowing the government was bad because they got out of it.

So it's not like a secret.

Look, we discovered that, you know, his uncle worked for the CIA.

By retired.

They got out of it by retiring.

And I learned this stuff from him.

Right.

So.

Well, yeah, I mean, I think that you're legitimate because I know you, I've met you, I've talked to you.

And I think we're on the same page on some things, not so much on other things.

But as you know, you do have intelligence families.

Intelligence is generational.

If somebody's dad or grandfather's in intelligence, typically they'll follow suit.

And so I just find it a little bit interesting.

I have said on the show, when it's someone like yourself or someone like Tucker who I've called out, he has a much more direct connection.

You know, his dad was running Voice of America, which is U.S.

propaganda.

And so I look at something like that, and I think any listener, any viewer has to discern and evaluate for themselves whether they think that's suspicious, whether they think that's cause for concern or not, you know, or they evaluate whether that person's honest.

well, I mean, in the case of Tucker, Judge Ribbon's fruits, he's trying to stop World War III and did a great job.

Look, Tucker's cool.

Jesus.

Jesus, right?

Tucker's up, boy, Tucker, good job.

This is quite putting Alex on his back foot.

Yeah.

Because of it.

Because Nick is saying, everything

about you screams fed.

Yep.

But I know you and you're cool.

Yep.

Now, someone who's not cool is Tucker, your best friend.

It's the most obviously manipulative thing to do.

It's like a reading a textbook.

You're so cool.

It's reading a textbook on how to manipulate people.

It's crazy.

Everyone who's described almost exactly like you sucks, but you're great.

Yep.

Yeah.

And he's just, he's in the right spot, too.

He's right where he should be.

Always attack.

Your team is already in power.

So

the only thing that will happen is you will get more eyes on you.

There is no negative consequences for him whatsoever.

So just go whole hog.

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah.

So, like, this idea that Nick has is that, you know, like these family members, they're like, you know, a lot of times intelligence families exist.

And you just can't really trust people who have been in intelligence

and that kind of world.

They create their own world.

Yeah.

And so when you have these whistleblowers and shit, a lot of times you shouldn't really trust them.

Because if they're coming from intelligence, they might be fake.

Or

their information is faked in order to gain your trust or their information is real in order to gain your trust exactly or their information is real fake in order to trick you into thinking their information is fake real and so you should always be very careful with whistleblowers and such and this just deteriorates into what I would describe as a fascinating meta conversation that they're having

and honestly I don't trust a lot of them I think you're right there are whistleblowers at the same time I think that another tool that intelligence can use is to pose as a whistleblower you know to borrow a phrase, flood the zone with maybe false information or misleading information,

partial truth,

and it's our job as the audience to discern that.

So

I don't consider it necessarily disqualifying if somebody is a whistleblower or was in government or intelligence, but I think they do deserve an extra bit of scrutiny, or at least those connections.

Well, I think with the UFO stuff especially, Laling.

That stuff's been clearly disinfo lately.

Oh, all day long.

Well, and that's stuff that only ever comes from the Pentagon.

You know, there's no UFO stuff that comes from anywhere else other than the DOD, the security apparatus, people like Harry Reed, who's a complete spook.

You know, he was the one who was pushing that in the Senate for a long time.

So that's exactly, it's a case in point.

It's like you can have whistleblowers.

You can have people that are legitimately breaking with the system, class traders, whatever you want to call it.

But then you also have this kind of other dimension.

You have a parallel track that they run where they pose as the conspiracy theorist, they pose as the dissident,

and you know, and that's not always the case, but sometimes it is.

And that's why, like you say, you have to judge them by their fruits.

Well, yeah, and by that, people try to say that, you know, you're a fed for the Southern Property Law Center or the ADL.

Right.

Well, exactly.

And people say that about me.

But the difference is I don't have parents that were in the CIA.

So I know, you know, Tucker Carl.

But I mean, certainly the government agencies recruit people that don't come from those families either.

That's true.

But I think that sometimes I get looked at unfairly.

People will consider me to be some kind of false entity or some kind of agent or something when you don't look at maybe what's more obvious, what might be right in front of your face.

The reason I bring up Tucker is because he pushed that about a year and a half ago in an article in the gray zone.

He worked with Max Blumenthal.

They published a three-piece, a three-part hit piece.

It was about 10,000 words, calling me an SPLC agent, an agent of the federal government.

And I look at the author of the piece.

It's Max Blumenthal's wife.

Max Blumenthal is the son of a hatchet man for Bill and Hillary Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal.

So it's like I'm being called SPLC fed by the son of a hatchet man for Bill Clinton.

Well, I wasn't going to go to this area.

I imagine not.

So

I think what's happening here is that these two guys are having a conversation that's beyond what they're actually talking about.

Oh, yeah.

They're both warning each other that they could call the other one a fed.

100%.

Alex is trying to subtly let Nick know that if he gets out of line, he can call him a fed.

And Nick is letting Alex know that the case is much stronger against him and Tucker since they both have families that are intelligence people.

Yep.

This is at its core a propaganda power struggle that you're seeing.

It's like two

deer running antlers into each other.

100%.

It's fascinating.

It is a nature documentary.

This is what we are watching.

We are watching the young buck try and take down the older male for fucking running privileges for the season.

Yeah, 100%.

I could, don't tempt me.

I mean,

you can't more be like, hey, listen, I'm telling you all of these things.

And if all of these things are true, we both know they're not, but if they are true, you are all of those things.

Yeah, and Nick is also

demonstrating that he doesn't care about Alex's threat of him calling him a fed.

He's not afraid of this.

It's very, it's very.

Nick ends up very much winning.

Yeah, yeah.

But this is the part of the interview where they're smelling each other.

Right, right.

No, I'm 100%

can feel it.

I can absolutely feel it.

Because Alex is like, I can lie about you.

And he's like, try me.

And then Alex is like, I actually don't have anything after lie about you.

That's the Alex Jones problem.

Well, the next step is Alex whining a little bit.

That sounds right.

And so he complains that a lot of people think that he's like hopium, like he's just giving false hope.

Sounds right.

I see a big thing against me, and I don't bring this up because I'm being attacked.

I see it a lot, and I want people to understand where I come from.

Jones is the ultimate, you know, hopium person.

He's saying globalism is in big trouble.

He says we're winning.

He says the new world order is in deep trouble.

And I look at where I've come in 31 years, and I look at all these populists being elected, and I look at them having to arrest their political opposition, the globalists, and I look at going out on the street and all I get's love now, 10 times what it even was a few years ago.

And that's my gauge.

And I see Trump doing a lot of good things and I see them talking about globalism, the new world order, and I see a new international system forming.

It doesn't mean AI isn't a problem.

It doesn't mean there isn't a lot of stuff Trump administration is doing that I don't agree with.

But I mean, overall, we've come so far that I just can't help but say, yeah, we're really turning the tide.

I think we're starting to win here.

And I've been doing this a long time when like, you know, almost nobody knew about this then.

When most people weren't even born yet, we were in diapers.

And I don't say, like, hey, Sonny Boy.

I mean, I see how far we've moved the ball now.

And I'm just, I'm very excited.

Yeah, well, you've earned it.

I mean, you've been doing it longer than anybody.

You've earned the right to say, Sonny Boy, because you're right.

And it's been going on for a long time.

And I agree with you.

I think generally there's a huge cause to be optimistic.

There's a huge cause to be white-pilled.

Any way that you can cut it.

I mean, I think about 10 years ago when I was growing up, it seemed like wokeism, leftism was unstoppable.

You know, when you think about those Obama years early on or in the middle, 2012, 2013, it felt like things were going in one direction forever.

Always more left-wing, always more progressive, always more woke, always more government, more globalist.

It seemed like it was the end of the world.

It really did.

And it seemed like that was never going to change.

Like there was nothing that could even push it off of that track.

It wasn't even possible.

And so for us to come this far where Trump has been re-elected after January 6th, after COVID, the vax mandate, after the dark winter under Joe Biden.

Honestly, even though I had my criticisms of Trump and I didn't vote for him for reasons we could get into, it does, I think, give me a lot of confidence and optimism that he was re-elected.

It says something about how the country has fundamentally changed.

That's a very sad exchange.

And if Nick were being a little more blunt, he would probably say, your battle's been fought.

You have no relevance in the future.

Alex has earned his right to call him young man or sunny boy and to celebrate that wokeness has been beaten back and Elon Musk owns Twitter, so he can post slurs now.

Trump being, he tried to overthrow the government, and then he got re-elected.

They've illustrated that the rule of law isn't binding, so Alex can just bask in that.

Go to the hammock.

The problem is that Alex's mood is so erratic that he goes from the devil is about to eat me and there's nothing I can do about it to the globalists are defeated and there's no hope for them ever again from day to day, depending on how he's feeling.

He's not consistently celebratory or full of hope.

His messaging is all over the place.

On a very basic level, Nick knows that Alex is dumb and he's only helpful to the cause so much.

And he's served most of the purpose that he can now.

He needs Alex to be a retired elder statesman who fades into the background and lets the next generation carry up the new battles, but Alex refuses to go away.

He needs to be used as a prop, the way that Tucker was using him at the show in Philadelphia or Pennsylvania.

And he's not.

He's refusing to go away and just be the fucking prophet or whatever.

It feels like Nick is willing to let Alex call him young man, but Alex isn't willing to let Nick call him old man.

You know,

that's the issue.

Alex is holding on when he should let go.

Yeah.

And

Nick is.

I mean, it is like the one thing that, like, the irony of what he's saying, right, is that if you are somebody who is into democratic electoral politics, you should take that as a positive thing.

It did feel

after Obama like, hey, man, I think we're just on a roll.

Things are going to get more and more, you know, we can't have everything we want, but we're getting a little bit closer and a little bit more accepting and a little bit more tolerant and all this stuff.

And then, fuck, we got smashed, right?

And now it feels like, oh, we're we're just gonna never go and we're just gonna keep fucking getting worse and we're gonna keep fucking getting worse and then things will probably go the other direction but that's also an incredibly depressing thought

because then it's after going for a while it's then gonna go like ah fuck you know that's that's on the problem yeah yeah that is the problem that is the problem um but i i also think i i think that nick was trying to comfort alex a little bit there i think so a little bit yeah there is a feeling of like there there you can call me Sonny Boy.

That's fine.

Yeah.

You know,

you earned a lot, man.

You've been great.

Which is, again, these guys are so...

Because it is a nature documentary, I do feel like this is instinctual.

This is not stuff that they are aware of happening.

But what he is doing is saying, look at how magnanimous I can be, taking the power dynamic position of the person who is capable of being magnanimous.

Alex doesn't even know that he ceded that ground before it's even begun.

But

on a less

sort of

underlying basis, this is on the surface, it kind of looks like Nick

bending the knee a little bit.

Absolutely.

And so I think that this satisfies Alex enough.

Right.

And so now he jumps into like, all right, can you play ball on Israel?

No, I can't.

Why are you trying?

Of course not.

We are not going to do this.

And it's crazy how unwilling he is to play ball.

Well, where I'm at on the Israel thing, or people always saying this guy works for Israel or this guy, it's just stupid.

I'm just, I mean, I would be tired of hearing, you know, the same bird outside my window go chirp, chirp, chirp forever.

It's nice to hear some birds chirp, and after a while, it's just the same thing, same thing, over and over and over and over and over.

And it's just retarded.

And so, you know, I'm covering geoengineering, they admit they've been doing secretly.

I'm covering the poison shots.

I'm covering covering the human trafficking.

I'm trying to cover it all and then just let people make their decision.

My issue on Israel is Israel's done a lot of really bad things and I've exposed it a ton.

My issue is that I don't want to go after Israel.

you know, and sit there and make it about Jews, period, because I don't see it as one unified group.

And I think it's more effective to criticize bad policies and get everybody against Netanyahu wanting to stay in power for 23 years, wanting a war with Iran, that most experts agree will take us closer to a nuclear war than even the Ukraine disaster.

And Trump is saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, blocking it.

I know from behind the scenes, Trump is pissed at Netanyahu and really doesn't like him.

And then I get to hear, oh, he works for Netanyahu.

No, he doesn't.

And I just know the facts and I see the fruits.

Is Trump an enemy of Israel?

Absolutely not.

Does Trump support Jews?

Absolutely.

And, you know, in general, I support everybody.

I don't hate Muslims individually.

I just know they're not compatible here because their culture is to take over.

Right.

I disagree a little bit.

The thing about the Jewish and Israel topic, the reason that people are preoccupied with it, the reason why I'm preoccupied with it, is because we do believe that the system fundamentally has a Jewish character or a pro-Israel character.

And so I was thinking about that actually because I hear that a lot.

People say, oh, all you talk about is Jews, Israel, this, that.

And I think that would sort of be like saying if somebody lived under communism, if someone lived in the Soviet Union, all they talk about is how the communists are bad.

All they talk about is how the Bolsheviks are bad.

Can't they talk about bread prices?

Can't they talk about something else?

And I'm thinking, well, if that's the character of the regime, if the regime is fundamentally of a particular character and we're living under it and we want to change it, then we do have to talk about that.

I talk about politics.

Politics happens to be colored by a Jewish mafia.

Okay,

so Alex is

not going to succeed on this front.

I think if you're interviewing this guy

and he starts talking about the Jewish character of the world system and all this.

I think you're done.

I think that's probably about where you're like, okay, I get it.

This isn't about Israel.

This isn't about.

Nope.

You hate Jews.

You even said fundamentally.

So that means that any conversation we have about anything that doesn't immediately address the quote-unquote Jewish character

is pointless.

Or

it secretly is a conversation about the Jewish character of something.

Exactly.

And by not addressing the fact that you believe that, I'm masking that.

I'm running cover for your anti-Semitism by pretending this is about anything else.

Yeah.

And, oof, man, I think if you're Alex in that situation, you have a responsibility to be like, I'm out.

I'm done.

Yeah,

this interview is,

there's nowhere for us to go.

No.

I was trying to get you to play ball, as we have a hundred times before, and you just threw in my face that you disagree with my position because the system has a Jewish character.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Alex, Lucy is never going to let you kick that fucking ball.

Just avoid it.

Just don't even say, hey, let's talk about Israel.

Don't.

This dude does not respect you.

No.

He's an anti-Semite.

He is trying to steal your sea walrus roost, man.

And he's succeeding in a lot of ways.

So, Alex gets to talking about

the Muhammad Khalil.

Muhammad Muhammad Khalil, who is the student who was arrested for protesting.

Right.

And

he pretends that he's concerned about it.

Now, oh, we're going to deport Hamas and Hezbollah supporters who aren't citizens.

Great.

I say good.

But then it's, oh, pass a law in New York.

They're trying to pass bipartisan.

Four years in prison for a Hamas or Hezbollah flag.

Well, next is the American flag.

And, oh, all these other laws and now raids on U.S.

citizens that are pro-Palestine.

So while the left backs it and supports it, then you've got at the same time,

the ADL supporting the censorship along with the Republicans, they're creating a dialectic to get the censorship through.

And I'm very concerned about the Trump administration supporting this.

And this is definitely another sales pitch for censorship.

So I totally agree that people have their right on these campuses to do whatever they want as long as it's not illegal.

And so they're conflating foreigners here, hyping things up and doing things.

So I think it should be sent out.

But moving that into citizens is very dangerous.

Right.

And that is the issue.

When you look at this Ahmed Halil or Mahmoud Halil, the gentleman who was deported into a prison in Louisiana, he was actually on a legal visa.

He was a student here as a legal resident.

His wife was a citizen.

His children were citizens.

And this guy is now being deported, not because he broke a crime.

He's not being charged with anything.

He never was convicted of anything.

He's being deported only because he was involved in organizing anti-Israel protests.

Well, he was saying we've taken over the campus and the police aren't going to stop us.

But he didn't commit a crime.

But see, you can have that opinion.

I'm not even disagreeing with you.

I'm saying they're conflating foreigners with now citizens and trying to pass laws in Florida and places to throw citizens in jail for speech.

That's what I see the play being.

I agree.

It's worse with citizens.

That is the bigger problem.

At the same time, would you support people being deported, even if they have a legal right to be here as a resident?

Maybe not necessarily as a citizen, but as a legal resident, simply because they were involved in anti-Israel protests on a campus?

Not if it's a protest, but that they were taking over the campuses and things.

Yeah, I think it's a fine line, though.

Yeah, so that's a very revealing clip because it shows how fake Alex's beliefs are.

He's trying to create the appearance that he's opposed to the government deporting people who are here legally just because they have participated in protests that the government doesn't like.

He has to be opposed to that because obviously it sets a horrible precedent.

and his whole career is based on this idea that they're going to repress other people so they can eventually do the same thing to white people.

Right.

But his principle is fake.

He doesn't care about Mahmoud Khalil, even though this is precisely the situation that he's saying is the one that starts the precedent.

If you have a principle, sometimes it requires taking a hard stance, and that's something Alex is unwilling to do.

He would have to stand up to the Trump administration's very clear abuse of immigration powers in this case, which threatens to shake his whole house of cards.

So instead, Alex just buys the propaganda.

He makes excuses for why this case is actually totally cool, and it's not indicative of a slide that threatens everyone's rights.

He's an intellectual coward.

Nick is a disgusting piece of shit, but he has one strong advantage over Alex, and that is that he can craft his own positions.

Alex is beholden to his team, so he has to just do this stuff that makes no sense, like hold this position.

Whereas Nick, at least, like, he's slippery and all this.

And obviously, he doesn't support this guy because, like, he doesn't support him because they share an opposition to the state of Israel.

Nick is just willing to try and launder his positions into more respectable spaces in order to convince people who are opposed to Israel's actions, convince them that there's a Jewish character to all this.

Yes, that's 100%.

That's what he's interested in.

And it's obvious.

but you know that.

He's doing a debate kid thing where it's like, oh, this is the correct argument for this conversation.

I can win this argument if I use this argument.

It does not matter if I believe anything that I'm saying.

I can win the conversation.

In a situation where he would have to then follow through with that principle, he'd be like, fuck that guy.

Get him out of here.

I don't give a shit.

Right.

You know?

Yeah.

And he also is savvy enough to know when an anti-Semite and a person who's concerned and opposes Israel's actions, when their positions would be the same.

He's savvy enough to understand that so he can try and sanitize himself for a larger audience.

And I don't know.

It's like a pin in chess.

Yeah.

It just becomes obvious when you have this kind of a confrontation

that Alex is just

lost.

Yeah.

I mean,

you're always going to win win in a conversation if you're just like, I am what I'm saying I am.

And so all of my positions will flow from that point.

Yeah.

So no matter where we go, we will eventually get back to I am exactly what I'm saying I am, you know?

Yeah.

You're not going to catch me.

Yeah, the dissonance of Alex's the way that he presents himself is just kind of tough to watch.

Yep.

Because you feel like you want to say, like, stand up for yourself, right?

This is pathetic.

Right.

But you kind of also realize that he fundamentally actually agrees with what Nick is putting forward.

So like he's not actually not standing up for himself.

He's not standing up for his fake character.

Yeah.

And that's that I resent.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're watching his character get his ass kicked.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

Nick gets to talking about the deportations and stuff.

Sure.

And he is of the mind that they're just deporting the wrong people.

Great.

You know, people say we support deporting the foreigners who are supporting Hamas and Hezbollah.

That's this big problem.

And they say that's part of mass deportations.

The issue is we're not really getting the other deportations.

1,500 students have been served to notice by the State Department.

It's being run by Marco Rubio.

That's who's behind this.

1,500 students who are here on a visa have been served to notice.

The visa is canceled because they criticized Israel.

They were involved in a protest.

And people say, well,

as long as we're getting them out.

This is happening at the same time that Trump says we need to slow deportations down for migrant migrant workers.

He said twice, first in a cabinet meeting, then he said in an interview, he said, when it comes to these migrant workers that are on farms, in hotels, in hospitality, and other important sectors of the economy, he said, we actually don't want to actually physically remove them.

We're going to ask them to leave.

We want to get them back on a visa.

So it's like the people that came here illegally, who have been here illegally for a long time, who actually have no legal standing to be here, they don't seem to be a priority.

They're trying to slow it down if they're trying to get them out at all.

At the same time, you have very high priority, 1,500 people with a legal right to be here.

They're being expedited.

Their removal is being expedited for no reason other than they criticize the fact that we're supporting this foreign war.

So I think.

Oh, here's where I'm at, though.

In general, I see the whole, a lot of the populist conservative space spending half their time on this.

And I just, I mean, I think it's way more dangerous.

Trump saying we're looking to deporting citizens to El Salvador.

Now, that's unconstitutional, and that is really bad.

I agree with that.

Then again, though, I don't think that's a real policy.

That hasn't happened.

What is really happening.

Now, they're talking about using the Enemy Combatant Act to do it for regular crime.

I think that's one of those throwaway comments.

Do you think it's controlling?

I think they're flooding the zone with poo, like Bannon said.

I don't know if you'd swear on the show, but they're flooding the zone with

a bunch of nonsense.

With bullshit.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know if you'd swear.

Bullshit.

So we can cause some.

It's just that we have a delay with the radio stations, so then it can't go on too long.

Gotcha.

Okay.

I don't think that it's cool to bullshit about that, to troll about sending citizens to foreign prisons.

I think if you have a leader who's trolling about that, they need to be removed from power.

Yep.

I think Alex is, I mean, he's even saying that he's deeply concerned about the idea that Trump would suggest that.

Yep.

Like, he's he has the sense to understand that that would be uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, we're way past the line, but he doesn't have the sense to be like, and now I have decided that this guy is no longer cool.

Like, what if Obama was like trolling about, like, I'm gonna put you all in FEMA camps to take away your guns?

JK, just kidding, just trying to get a rise out of you.

Ah, come on, we're just doing jokes.

We're just doing jokes here.

I'm gonna drone bob you.

Ah, nah, I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding.

Major Flinch.

Yeah, you didn't think I could.

I did.

Don't talk to my daughters again.

This

is fucking insane.

The idea of relating to somebody who's

the leader of the free world as a troll,

I think is

you've already lost the plot.

This is very bad.

Yeah,

it's too far if somebody's like, hey, I don't think that the government should just be able to randomly grab people and send them away from where they live.

And he's like, I agree with that.

Then again, you know, like, that's, we're already way past that.

Have we considered that that

clowning.

We're way past that.

Yeah.

So Nick has some good news about Trump, something that he said while Alex has been on air.

And I think it's a little misrepresented.

Uh-oh.

I believe that Trump doesn't want war.

And you say you know that, and I trust you.

I think that's true.

Trump has never been in favor of war.

He knows how disastrous Iraq was.

My concern with Trump is always that they will drag him into the conflict.

And Trump even said this today.

So he's cognizant of it.

I think he always has been, but he made it overt today.

He said, they will not drag me into a war i didn't know that is there a video of this he said it today i think um in an interview guys pull up trump they will not drag me into war didn't know that yeah today he said uh i will not be dragged he said if diplomacy fails i will lead the charge he said but i'd like to meet with the supreme leader and i prefer to make it a you

know by the way some of you take calls listeners go why aren't you covering this it's because once i get on air i get some stuff but it's kind of like you know an hour is like a lifetime yeah well and it's a daytime show so oh guys go to X.

I'm sure it's there.

Trump, I will not be dragged into war with Iran.

Wow, that is amazing.

It's huge, yeah.

And I wanted him to say that during the election.

I said, I'm not going to vote for Trump because I think they'll drag him into a war.

And he's going to.

Well, that was him definitely acting with the Israel hawks like he might.

That was a manipulation.

Right.

So that wasn't Trump saying that he's all about peace.

Nope.

He was more opposed to the dragging part, not the war part.

He was saying that if we're going to war, we're going to be really aggressive about it, not just coming along because an ally needs us to.

Actually, it sounds kind of warlike and threatening.

Oh, well, we'll bet.

Maybe he's trolling.

It could be.

Oof.

So, anyway, you got to take what you can, I guess.

And that's.

I mean, hey, I do like the

gymnastics you need.

So, like, linguistically, right?

If I say something like, I will not be dragged into war because I'll jump two feet first, you motherfuckers.

Yeah.

I would assume somebody would take that as a rather pro jumping two feet in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just on, just like, you know, the vibe I'm giving off.

Yeah, and I think that if you're saying, like, okay, I'm not going to be dragged into war, I'm diving both feet first.

Yeah.

If

whatever demands we have aren't met, I think if you lay that out, you're kind of also giving someone like, oh, there's a roadmap to get to this person going straight to war.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

It seems like maybe you're at least indicating that you kind of aren't, you don't have a problem with it.

When I'm listening to John McCain say, yippee kaya ye, motherfucker, I am not thinking, oh, we're about to go have a good time at a rodeo.

You mean John McClain?

John McClain.

Did I say John McCain?

You do.

Oh, man, that would have been more fun.

Yeah, that would have been more fun.

That would have been more fun.

So I think one thing that's really important to understand is that Nick is not critical of Israel.

He has criticisms of Israel.

But he is an anti-Semite.

He hates Jewish people

and believes that there's something of a Jewish character in all this.

And I have to stress that that is not

misinterpretation no no no i'm making no listen to this clip okay i mean i want the jews to live in peace all this stuff i want to decouple i mean look how many jews are totally pro-Muslim and pro-Palestine right yeah I mean most that's where I get the issue about like saying to if you think Jews were teleported to Mars every Jew on earth that that would handle all the problems I think that if that happened a lot of obstacles to nationalism would disappear.

Yes.

Okay.

Who's pushing separately?

Well, spend your time on that.

Explain what you're saying.

What I'm saying is, when you look at, you talk about like the asset managers, the banks, I mean, who runs BlackRockets?

Larry Fink.

So

I think that if you ask somebody, if we sent all the Jews to Mars, would that solve our problems?

And they say, you know what?

It would get rid of a lot of our problems.

I think you got to shut it down.

You got to shut down the interview.

This guy very clearly is anti-Semitic.

Oh, and he's rubbing your face in it.

All right.

Okay.

I mean,

in a certain way, I respect his position more than I do Alex's.

Well, it's a position.

Right.

I mean, in this regard, if you say to me, getting rid of all the Jews will solve our problems, I will say, as a problem solver, that is not going to solve any of the problems beyond you hating a group of people.

Yeah.

Right?

That's it.

So that's the end of our conversation.

Yeah.

Unless we come to blows.

And then

we're going to fight.

Here's the baseball team that I want, and then you want to send all the juice to space.

So we are never going to be on the same team.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, he's a weasel and all that shit, but like, he is at, like, he's staking his positions in a way that like Alex doesn't dare.

Yeah.

And that, that makes it much more palatable in a way because I know what to do.

I'm going to punch you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you're not, you're not, you're not here for words.

The trade-off is the other thing that they're like bashing heads on, like nature documentary style, is if you are Nick Fuentes, you are much more secure, but smaller.

If you're Alex, you can trick more people, but you're always on quicksand.

You're always on the edge.

You're always trying to get ahead of if anybody finds out that I'm full of shit, you know?

So this conflict is like, Nick, I'm always going to be more popular than you are.

And Nick is like, that's because you're a fake lying piece of shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that tension is interesting.

And it is there.

But it just, I can't stress enough, like,

all of the signals are there for Alex to understand exactly who it is that he's talking to.

Yeah.

And he refuses to really accept it.

Yeah.

That's the kind of chokehold they have over the system.

Same thing with the ADL.

They want Jonathan Greenblatt out, and you say, oh, well, some Jews don't like the ADL.

They don't like Greenblatt.

They just want a different chair of the ADL who's going to be better at shutting down anti-Semites.

Anti-Semites who say, you know, Jews are loyal to Israel.

They support the wars in the Middle East.

So I'm saying we need to decouple.

We need to recognize Judaism hates Christ.

It has antipathy towards Europeans.

And we need to decouple from them as a civilization.

They can go and be in Israel.

That's fine.

So, like, this is not somebody who has criticisms of Israel.

This is not somebody who has political points.

This is somebody who believes that Judaism hates Christianity, and we should decouple from Judaism as a society.

You can't pretend to not be talking to the person that you're talking to when they're willing to be this upfront.

And

pathetic.

Pathetic on Alex's part.

I mean, because the conversation, if you say something like that,

we need to decouple and they can go be in Israel, right?

Here's all the things that you're not saying.

You're not saying, I will get them away from us,

which is going to be a struggle because most of them are people who don't like being sent to places that they're not from.

Right?

Yeah.

Then you are also implying, until I want what Israel has.

Yep, I mean, that's an implication.

They're not people to me.

So go be over there until I decide that I'm going to be there, and then you will have to go be somewhere else too.

Yep.

I think that it's very obvious what Nick is proposing and what his belief system is structured on.

And for Alex to allow this and not to

engage with it head-on is cowardly nonsense.

And so Nick just gets to dance around a bit

because he has some points that are fine.

Seems like Palantir sucks.

Great.

By bringing this up,

he makes Alex get in a position where he's defending Palantir.

Damn it.

This is such a mess.

Well, I'll say this about Palantir.

It's all really the hot thing to say it runs everything and it's so big.

It's tiny compared to the other AI companies and defense stuff.

It is trying to make a run at getting a bunch of big contracts.

And so I'm not defending what it does.

My point is, compared to all these other big companies, it's tiny.

And that's why you see the left attacking it a bunch, too.

So I see a weird alliance with kind of the anti-Israel folks and the left with the Muslims

and like Palantir, Palantir.

It's the big thing.

I mean, its contracts are tiny compared to the other stuff.

But what Palantir is, is a privatization of the surveillance state.

They work for the CIA.

They come from the CIA.

But what I've seen is Palantir has been trying to reform the government contracting process.

They're trying to make it more competitive and more efficient, but what they're doing is they're funneling all of our data into the government.

Clearview AI is part of that suite.

They ripped everybody's faces off of Facebook.

Palantir is involved in Gaza doing facial recognition so they know which Palestinians to blow up with drones.

And J.D.

Vance is the protege of Peter Thiel, who's the co-founder of Palantir.

That's like George Bush all over again.

That's like George Bush, head of the CIA, being Reagan's vice president.

So you don't like Vance?

I think Vance is awesome.

Oh, I think he's terrible.

I don't, first of all, I think he's fake.

Everything about him is fake.

His name's fake.

His venture capital career is fake.

His story's fake.

He's a fake Marine.

He's a fake populist.

He's a fake Marine.

He did press releases.

He wrote press releases

and news releases.

Well, I mean, he was over in Iraq.

He never said he was a war hero.

Oh, he wasn't in combat, but he makes.

But he's not like Senator Blimenthal that was never out of the country and said he was a combat in Vietnam.

He ran the Toys for Tots program at the Senate.

I mean, hold on.

I know Vance.

I've followed him.

He's always said, well, I was just over there in the press.

I've not looked at the real heroes.

But he was in Iraq.

But he's over there the other week doing a photo shoot where he's shooting guns, hoorah, acting like he's some kind of combatant.

He was a journalist in the Marines, which is what they do.

This is what these people do.

Hold on a minute.

So, if you go out and shoot guns, you're being a poser now?

I mean, if you're.

I think he's a serious poser.

Yeah, I think he's

seemed like some kind of thing.

Tampa Temps that you put shotguns in the back of the shotgun?

I think so.

Yeah, I think that's.

I don't think that's fair.

This is sad.

This is very sad.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Alex, you don't think it's fair.

Oh, well then.

Oh,

imagine Alex early in his career going to bat for like Carlisle Group or something like that.

Like,

he would never

have a position like Palantir's actually kind of good.

Absurd.

Right.

That's what he has been brought to.

And, like, just pathetically defending the vice president.

Like, what Nick is presenting to Alex is,

in some ways, a mirror of his past self.

Yeah.

And I think Alex should recognize in this conversation, I'm I'm useless.

Yeah.

I'm done.

Yep.

I'm defending Palantir.

I'm talking about how great J.D.

Vance is.

I've got this guy who clearly hates Jewish people

but has the iconoclasm or whatever that I had when I was a kid, and I don't have it anymore.

I'm a shill.

I just, I'm, I'm, I'm on, I might as well be on the state payroll.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it sucks.

It's sad.

I mean,

how about this?

All right.

Being from sports.

You're from sports?

I'm from sports.

Nick Fuentes is winning by a wide margin because he's just on better ground.

The only way to win against Nick in this conversation is to stake an even more extreme claim and then reveal him to be fake.

But no, I don't think so.

I think that would blow up in your face because I think you'd be like, hell yeah.

I would be surprised.

I would be surprised because he's if because here's the thing.

If you're a Sith Lord, here's what I was thinking, right?

The luxury of being a Sith Lord is being like, here's how I'm going to solve my problems.

I'm just going to go straight through them with a lightsaber.

I don't have to care if like life, you know?

I can just be like, hey, you hate Palantir?

Sith Lord style?

Let's go kill all of them.

You want to go kill all of them?

Oh, no, I don't want to go.

See, it's like, that's what you have.

That's the only thing you've got if you're a Sith Lord.

Yeah, I don't think Nick would have that much of a problem with that.

I would be interested to see.

I don't think that you'd throw him off his game with that.

I think you would.

I just don't.

I honestly think that there's not much you could do to throw him off the game.

What you would have to do is just not do this interview.

Sure.

It's a War Games thing.

Oh, yeah.

No, no.

The only way Alex comes out successful at all is don't do this.

Yeah.

Because

the foundations of the last like, I don't know, eight, ten years of his career has led him to a point where he can't actually confront what Nick is doing.

Right.

He has built his house on sand and Nick knows that.

Yeah.

And so he's just, the second this interview started, he was in a position where

he's going to lose in sports.

One of the problems with being a Sith Lord is that their apprentice always murders him.

Mm-hmm.

Because it's kind of part of of the game.

You're an idiot.

I think that Alex is just

in much the same way, he's the archetype of this person who should have died long ago.

He is also in this interview,

like Nick is almost refusing to put him out of his misery.

You know?

Like, there is a piece of it that he's being almost too

gracious and not just cutting his throat.

I mean, there's a little bit of like, I'm bringing you out to demonstrate my dominance for the people.

Yeah.

And Alex is allowing that to happen and getting defensive about Palantir.

So weird.

It's pathetic.

Yeah.

You're back to this.

I've looked at the scale of Palantir, and it's tiny compared to DeepSeek and all these others

and ChatGPT.

And I'm not like defending Peter Thiel.

I'm just saying it's like I get it from the liberals and the

Israel obsessed, whatever you want to call it.

Just Palantir, Palantir, Palantir.

They have an enemies list.

They have an enemies list of two to three million people that they've identified as potential violent extremists.

And this is being run by Alex Karp.

Alex Karp said his biggest fear is that Christian nationalists will take over the government and throw him out of a window, defenestrate him because he's Jewish.

He's running Palantir.

Palantir has an enemies list of 3 million people.

So Alex Karp doesn't like you.

I don't think so.

I don't know him, but probably not.

But you don't want to throw him out of a window.

I don't want to throw him out of a window.

But I don't think he should control Palantir.

I don't think he should control military procurement.

That's my concern.

And Peter Thiel, I mean, he's a suspicious character also.

He says he's a Christian, but he's a gay man.

He says he's a Christian, but he's really involved with this Rene Girard, who's sort of an interesting philosopher who's involved with a lot of the Straussians out there at the Hoover Institute.

So these are two guys I don't know.

Yeah, Carp's got a degree, basically, in classical Western civilization.

But what is Western to these people?

You know, according to Harry Jaffa, Western means protecting Israel.

And that's who they're all.

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Back to Israel.

Alex can pretend like this back to Israel thing, like he's so annoyed at Nick or whatever, but he's facilitating this.

And that's exactly what he wants.

Yeah.

He just wants to be able to make it look bad.

Right.

And he can't.

Right.

He doesn't have the tools to make Nick look like what he is, which is an anti-Semite.

Right.

He has to constantly couch this in like the Israel-obsessed crowd and stuff like that.

No, he hates Jews.

He hates Jewish people.

He hates Judaism.

Right.

I mean, but that's the thing that Alex is, he can't do because, again, we just got to the place where he's like,

oh, no, I wouldn't defenestrate him.

No, you would.

That's an accurate fear.

The reason that guy is afraid is because you, with given the chance, would murder him.

That's why you personally,

a lot of the people who are in your world.

Yeah, so

by essence, you continuing to hold these positions, were you to get power, would ensure that this man would die horribly the way he is afraid of.

Yeah, so not specifically a window, but something bad's happening.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, the growth of your political ideology and your worldview, the stronger it gets, the greater risk of that defenestration happening.

It's real.

So then, where does it stop for you?

Who doesn't get defenestrated?

You're running into the same fucking problem everybody who thinks defenestrating people is going to solve things runs into, which is you're going to run out of people to defendestrate.

And Windows.

Yep.

So I think Alex kind of resigns himself to like,

this isn't going well.

Yeah.

So he wants to just joke around about how Elon Musk has a bunch of kids, right?

That sounds fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you may notice, if you listen carefully, or not even that carefully, you'll notice that Nick is excited about this because they're white kids.

Great.

What do you think of Elon Musk having 15 kids and wanting population not to crash and even Gigi Ping going to a three-child policy, breaking with the globalists?

I think that's a good thing.

I agree.

I think it's great.

I think his advocacy for people to increase the fertility rate is essential because that is at the core of why we have mass migration.

That's why we need population replacement or population refreshment.

It's because the white people aren't having kids.

You know, and in fairness, in order to have a society continue, you need to have new people.

You need to have young people, need to have kids.

My only issue with Elon is I am against polygamy.

I am decidedly against, which is something that seems to be becoming more popular for rich people.

Andrew Tate does it.

Elon does it.

They impregnate a bunch of different women.

I'm in favor of just.

Well, I mean,

so did Abraham.

So, I mean, another thing is.

What are we doing now?

What is this?

What is this?

Christianity and Western civilization really pushed monogamy in the nuclear family.

It's been great.

But now women won't go for anybody that's not what they think is super alpha.

And so we're coming more primitive.

So it becomes like one male gets 50 women and the other men don't get any women.

Right.

That's kind of how it works.

You're pretty red-pilled on.

That's some incel.

That's some deep incel ideology.

But it's true.

Well, but I mean, I don't think the incels are getting any of the women.

No, that's why they're.

That's kind of the opposite.

I mean, no, no, I'm not saying

I'm getting a bunch of women, but you are.

Part of a reason if I wanted to, is women seem to like me.

You're a Chad.

You are.

But incels say that's this hypergamous culture.

You're right about that.

Yeah.

And a lot of times when those guys who are pretending they get 500 women or whatever, they're lying.

They're putting on an act and they actually cry

when no one's looking about how they don't get

with any women.

Because they've set this expectation for themselves that they are this hyper alpha masculine person in this mold that people like Andrew Tate have created.

And it turns out that's not always a functional way to act.

So, I mean, like, granted, these guys have just bought into this, I guess.

Yeah, and I think that Nick Nick described it really well.

Like, you've bought into the incel.

Yeah.

You're just an incel person, but you think that you're on the good side.

Yep.

The side that gets laid.

Yeah.

Are you getting another divorce, Alex?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Anyway.

I mean, I don't.

This is gross.

It is gross.

It is gross.

And I think that Nick is a little bit more interesting than the general conversation you get with Alex because he's saying more white babies is good, but I also actually believe in the things that I'm supposed to believe in.

And so, like, polygamy, that's not cool.

He's conflicted in a way that he should be if his prior, like, baseline beliefs mean something.

Yeah.

And that's not something you see all the time on Infowars.

Yeah.

It's not all lies.

Yeah, because, okay, okay.

Because then we get into conversations like this, all right?

Now,

if

white people way back when had listened to non-white people who were like, hey, you should boil your water so you don't die,

we would have more white people.

Is that better than if we did what we did, which was kick them all out of the country or murder them instead of boiling our water?

I don't know.

I don't want to litigate water boiling.

Right?

You don't actually want more white people.

You want less non-white people.

That's the conversation that you're really trying to have.

I think that's.

I mean, I think Nick wants both.

Well, sure.

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

That's a good, that's a fair way of putting it.

Yeah, one is the other, relatively.

Right.

You know, like.

One's more important than the other.

Sure.

Yeah.

Exclusion is more important.

Yeah.

And I think that's obvious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Alex is like, fuck, Elon's got so many kids.

I want to have more kids.

Gross.

Why?

And then Alex talks about how cool Elon's sperm is.

Great.

Well, I do.

I mean, I don't know.

I'm just so busy fighting the globalists, you know, but I don't know.

I'd have to there 10 kids.

Do it.

Yeah, yeah.

I'll have 10.

You have another 10.

I've only got four, so I'm kind of...

Elon's way ahead of me here.

Yeah, Elon's ahead of everybody.

Elon even reportedly drops by the sperm bank.

He really cares.

Yeah, he's bumping it out there.

He's

going to get a lot of Elons out there.

That's an exclusive piece of news, folks.

I'm not kidding.

He didn't tell me that.

I know one of the doctors.

I was like,

that's in that hippo value.

Well, whatever.

Elon really cares.

Yeah, man, he cares.

He cares a lot throwing his sperm around.

That's something somebody says in a horror movie.

Yep.

Right?

Yep.

Like you're on, you're on, you're in a basement somewhere, and you're on a chair strapped to that chair, like a doctor's chair, and somebody's like, oh, man, this sperm, it's, we really care.

Like, that's not how.

No, I don't want to hear that.

I don't want to hear that at all.

Well, like, okay, so if Alex, so he's saying that Elon Musk puts his sperm in a lot of sperm banks.

Yes.

And it's because he cares a lot.

I don't think that's true.

Now, if we are to believe these premises,

the conclusion that we come to is that Elon knows that he has real great sperm, and, like, it's an obligation for him to make it more widely available to people because his sperm is just that much better than everybody else's.

Yeah.

That's fucked up.

And the fact that Alex is a third person, like a third party,

he's not involved in any of this.

He's doing PR for Musk's Burm.

It's crazy.

Wild.

Wild.

Good use of time.

It's like.

It's insane men talking about gross shit in public, which didn't used to happen.

You used to have to stand around a barrel with a fire in it to get conversation like this.

Or maybe like on public access where Alex belongs.

Right, right, right, exactly.

Yes.

So the two of them get to talking about their genetics, because, of course.

Because why wouldn't you get there?

Yeah.

And I think that there's something very fascinating about this clip.

Okay.

It's a little over a minute long, and a very short bit of it is Nick talking about his genetics.

Great.

And then Alex takes for fucking ever.

That sounds right.

And I think it's because one of them obsesses about this stuff, and the other is

tries to hide some of his beliefs.

What are your genetics again?

I'm half Italian, quarter Mexican, quarter Irish.

All right.

What are you?

What am I?

Yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

Well, you could say am I Jones, you say am I, you know, that, and that's definitely in my family line.

I'm sorry?

Supposed to say Welsh.

And you have to look at your family line in England from my mom's side, who those people are.

They're related to William the Conqueror.

And then Grisham that have been in the stock exchange, a bunch of those people, the old, old people that were in charge of England related to them.

So I kind of look like Henry VIII.

And

I'm Alsatian

and other German, going back to noble families in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

But then also a lot of commoners, Scotch, Irish.

Really Heinz 57 on my dad's side and on my mom's side,

German and

English.

But it's all the same thing, right?

But in England, I'm hilarious.

It's all Nordic.

Because, you know, the Vikings were constantly invading even before that.

So

it's kind of

just a whole mix of stuff.

Right.

You're a true northern European, true Northman, true Aryan.

Oh, my God, don't say that.

I don't know.

No, no, no, no.

I'm Jewish.

You didn't know that?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, this is a fun.

I mean, that's the fun joking around to do after, you know, Nick has very clearly revealed that he's anti-Semitic.

Boy, what a fun conversation to have

around 1840, whenever there were laws about just one drop.

But Alex does, like, a couple minutes later, he realizes that he does sometimes talk about how he's a little bit Native American.

So he throws that in.

He's like, I also got a little Native American.

He forgot about that during the body of the conversation.

Fun how that works.

Yeah, I think that Nick is clearly someone who thinks about this a lot

and has a pretty clear answer that has to do with nationalities and like the genetics of his racial makeup or whatever.

Whereas Alex is like, I'm related to Gresham.

Okay.

Nobility over here.

He's got like much more of a story to it.

Yeah.

And I think that's because he wants people to know that he has noble lineage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is, which is an interesting kind of like two points of view on

an ultimately meaningless, pointless fact, right?

Like this one is like his Fuentes is very mathematical as of like borderline ranking human beings by nationality by blood.

Yeah.

You know, like it's that kind of math to it.

Whereas Alex has a sort of romantic like,

listen, white people are better, but only because of chivalry.

I don't think I don't think that's the case.

I think that Alex, in hearing Nick's answer, is like, oh shit.

What do I say that is going to make sure I qualify as white to this guy?

Like, what?

What's the whitest thing I could say right now?

Yeah, and instead of committing to like one half this or whatever, he goes for like nobility and all of this famous roots and stuff.

He's starting to be like, not only am I white, I am so fucking white.

If only he did death jam.

If only he just slipped into death jab.

Be too good.

So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex joking about how much he looks like Hitler.

Because it's fun to do that with with this guy

who's a fan of Hitler.

Yeah, yeah.

And so they talk about that a little bit, and then Alex complains about some criticism that he's gotten.

Oh, yeah?

Well, it is bizarre, but it's German.

My mother's father

literally, you'd be sitting there with minus the hair, looking at him sideways, and it was like, I'm looking at Adolf Hitler.

It was pretty wild.

Wow.

You ever thought of getting into politics, be chancellor or something like that?

Well, unlike Hitler, I'm not a good speaker.

Oh, come on.

You're a great speaker.

7076, they'll be rolling.

You know, maybe I'm actually a Hitler clone.

Anybody ever think about that?

You're a Hitler hybrid.

Maybe they brought the sperm over after World War II and froze it.

Hitler-Washington hybrid.

That I can vote for.

Actually, folks, I'm going to reveal it to Nick Foyne does.

I am actually

not a Hitler clone, but I am 50% Adolf Hitler.

I believe it.

I believe it.

It's actually true.

Actually?

Yeah, like

Kanye.

Well, Musk says he's a space alien.

And I think that's actually true, too.

But I I am actually, Adolf Hitler was my father, yeah.

That explains a lot.

That's why you're such a compelling, that's why you get the people going.

Well, that's why the left's so scared.

It's true.

They know it's coming back.

Well, here, you ever want to read a Hitler?

You just did.

How are you doing, buddy?

Nice to meet you.

That's a giant joke.

I'm also Bill Hicks.

Pretty ridiculous.

I think you are a little nervous laughter.

I think we just think we're going to be.

We just revealed the big secret.

No, I love, I love, I love starting in a ridiculous conspiracy.

I love these people that literally go.

this is a guy from Norway or Sweden.

No, he's from the Netherlands.

I forget his name.

And

he's like, Alex Jones is not real.

He has been replaced.

I am an artist of the greatest quality.

I have painted for the king of the Netherlands.

And I can tell you, it is not the same man, not the same soul.

He has been replaced.

Yeah, some random weirdo in the Netherlands.

Alex feels like he should respond to some of that criticism because Alex only likes fucking dumb shit criticism.

He was not going to handle anybody who has serious criticism of him.

No, no.

This is pathetic.

No.

He got on like Ozempic or some shit, and he lost a bunch of weight, and people on the internet were like, oh, he was replaced by a clone.

No one is actually, no one actually thinks that.

There's no danger to playing around with these criticisms.

But he hangs up on people who bring up our name on his show.

Fuck you.

That name that shall never be spoken.

Fuck Fuck you.

Some random person in the Netherlands.

You're whining about that to your Nazi buddy.

There is something to be said about being a boogeyman.

I never thought I would enjoy it quite so much, but there is something to be said about it.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

It's not too bad.

It's not satisfying in some ways.

No, no, no, no, no.

You can't, because you're under the bed.

And if they don't come under the bed, you can't get them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can't jump scare if someone doesn't open the door.

You got to open the door, man.

We're hiding behind the door.

Right.

And I think that this speaks to my strategy when I would play poker.

Yeah.

All the time.

I was pretty good at playing poker, but one of my moves was a check raise.

Right.

Because

I would underplay a lot of times my hand and then get someone to raise and then re-raise them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And if the person didn't raise, then I can't set the trap.

You know?

That's not how it works.

Yeah.

And so

there there is one sidestep.

You can sidestep laying under this bed.

Yeah.

I think Alex's approach to humor, like one of my favorite bits is by Dana Gould.

It's the Black Dahlia bit.

And it is a premise that goes on for about four and a half minutes for one perfect beautiful punch.

And like the extension of the premise, the way that it's told, the compelling nature of the story, and then the tension release of just that short burst, that short punch is so wild that then you laugh for three minutes.

It's amazing.

Or like the forget-a-buddies.

Right, right, right, right.

I can't imagine the idea of a premise that's one line and then the punch line being five minutes long.

Well, and that's about what we heard.

There's a reason that some people have risen to the top of humor,

the craft, and others are interviewing a Nazi.

Yeah, that's why Alex didn't get a Comedy Central presents.

special.

Never wrote for The Simpsons.

He did open for Stanhope that one time.

Yeah, that is true.

I don't know if, I don't think Gold ever opened for Stanhope.

Hey, that's what happens when you start at 16.

Right.

Alex got the resume.

Yep, yep.

So anyway, we'll be back with another episode of this year podcast.

Indeed.

But

what a piece of shit.

What a piece of shit.

Anyway, we'll be back.

But until then, we have websites.

I see we do at ZollageFight.com.

Yep, we'll be back.

But until then, I'm Neo.

I'm Neo.

I'm DZX Clark.

I am the Mysterious Professor.

Yeah,

and now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan.

I love your work.

I love you.