Episode 690: Paris catacombs, haunted accordions and more with Josh Homme

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash.

I'm Elena.

And I'm Dr.

Joshua.

I love that.

I did not expect that.

This is Morbid.

With Dr.

Morph.

It's different from Dr.

Phil, you know.

Very different.

Just barely, we're both not doctors.

So he's going to be joining us in a second, Dr.

Joshua.

We have Josh Hami today on the show.

Josh is a musician, singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, and frontman of a little band called Queens of the Stone Age.

We are so fucking excited to have Josh on today.

This is going to be so much fun.

It really is.

And he's got something pretty cool that he just did.

On Friday, the 13th of June, he released Queens of the Stone Age Alive in the Catacombs, which is this like super intimate, totally unplugged performance that's in the actual Paris Catacombs.

They are the first band.

to legally perform in the Paris Catacombs.

Absolutely insane.

It's what, and it's incredible.

It's beautiful the way they did it.

It's super, like, they really like honored the space for sure.

Like, in a big way.

It's got gorgeous cinematography.

It's such like haunting performances.

And it's just kind of him like walking around singing.

And they have like this, like the string instruments and the red.

Like, it's very calm and like just really beautiful.

There's also a behind the scenes

little dock, too, which is really cool.

Yeah.

And it's really interesting.

And they do it in like a black and white thing, which like just gives it like a warmer, like, I don't know, it feels right.

I know it's weird because it's black and white, and then you're like, it's warmer, but it is.

It makes sense.

Something about it is like super cozy and like just like, ooh, I think it's the catacombs.

Yeah, I think it might be, but we'll include a link in our show notes to order both the performances as well as that behind the scenes look at it.

It's, I'm telling you, it's so worth it.

Yeah, you got to check it out.

And before we talk to Josh, before we get him on here, we wanted to give you guys a quick, very quick look at the Paris Catacombs.

We are going to revisit the Paris Catacombs in a different episode where we're going to do like a true deep dive into it.

Not literally.

I was going to say that's pun intended, I guess.

But right now, we will be the second band allowed to perform there legally.

Legally.

I wanted to give you just like a quick look at it, just so when we're talking about it, you know a little bit behind the scenes.

So the Paris Catacombs, it's a network of tunnels 80 feet below the streets of Paris.

It's filled with the remains of around 6 million people.

6 million, which is three times the population of Paris alone.

Which is just my brain can't comprehend that.

I can't even picture like 48 people.

Yeah.

Never mind six fucking million.

Yeah.

And there's like two, there's more than 200 miles of tunnels under here.

And only, there's only a portion of them that are mapped out.

I think it's like maybe up to 200 miles that is officially mapped out, but there's tons more that isn't.

It's, it's wild.

And there's only like a mile of it that's really legally available to the public.

You, you know, you get a ticket.

They take you down with a guide.

We recommend that that's how you do it.

It's the safe way to do it.

It's the safest way to do it.

Of course, there's, you know, illegal ways to get in all over the city, but that can be very, very dangerous.

And we never encourage you to break the law.

Yeah.

And we don't encourage you to do something that's gonna like hurt you or someone else we like you too much we do we love you so there there's also this really funny like name it's not funny but it's just like cute no it kind of is it's like a fun cute name yeah it's catophiles are what they're called and it's people who are really dedicated to exploring the catacombs and they've done like a lot to map out these hidden places like they're very dedicated to it and they know everything about it they've found you know hidden little like swimming pools which like you don't want to swim in stagnant water.

They've found ritualistic setups down there.

That is scary.

The way that you went from like swimming pools to ritualistic setups.

That's upsetting.

There's hidden tunnels, strange drawings, like art down there.

I mean, it's a wild world down in the catacombs.

It's bonkers.

And you might be like, whoa, that sounds really cool.

Like awesome.

Where did they come from?

Like, why are they there?

Why does that exist?

We'll tell you.

Well, I'm going to tell you.

Because it originates in the 12th century.

So a little bit ago.

Long, long, long ago.

A little bit ago.

Long time ago.

So they were excavating quarries, like lime mines, essentially, below Paris.

They were like taking out the limestone to be used in, you know, building the city's defenses, all that kind of stuff.

And they were like, wow, this is really working out great.

But what they forgot was like when they built stuff on top of these now hollowed out quarries.

It wasn't going to go too well.

Yeah, the structural integrity was just not there anymore.

So there was a lot of cave-ins during the 18th century that left entire streets of Paris just plummeting into the depths below.

A problem, if you will.

Big problem.

So in 1777, a little guy named King Louis XVI.

I think I've heard of him.

Yeah, he was like, how can we make this not awful?

How can we make it so people don't plummet to their depths?

So

yeah, so he hired an architect and he had, he was like, let's turn these into like galleries, like something that you want to see, something you want to visit?

Like, let's capitalize on this, essentially.

Which makes me want to learn more about who the fuck he was.

Like, I know

the top of the ice, the tip of the iceberg about Louie, but I'm like, about old Louie, though, you know, Louie.

Yeah, but the fact that that was his go-to, and he was like, you know what we could do.

We could make a gallery of bones down there.

Yeah.

Well, he initially wasn't making a gallery of bones.

Initially, he was like, you know, let's make this.

It's almost,

it's not the same, but it's almost like akin to like a king's

uh, Mary King's clothes, where it's like a city underneath a city almost, but it's like he wanted it to look like what was above it, almost, like, kind of thing, like make it a gallery of Paris, like that kind of thing.

Oh, and somebody took that to a different place because at the same time, what was happening was graveyards were overflowing with human remains.

And when I say overflowing,

they were

overflowing so overcrowded that people nearby these graveyards were getting sick off of the fucking gases that were coming out of the decomposing bodies in the ground.

Ew.

Because they were so overcrowded that it was escaping.

Ew.

And these gases were so fucking noxious.

And we'll get into this when we cover them.

Yeah, we're going.

So fucking bad that it could spoil milk and rot meat within hours.

Ew.

So people were like, getting these gases coming up through their basements and shit.

Like it was bad.

I bet it was actually green oh i that's how i picture it yeah i picture green gas emitting out of these like cartoonish green gas

and so there was a cave-in at the holy innocence cemetery and i mean that one was wild they were stacking bodies on top of each other for a long time it was like thousands of bodies in there i mean it was gnarly damn um and so this was a problem when this caved in everybody was like yeah this is not great.

They were a little outraged.

Yeah, they were sick of their meat and their milk spoiling.

Yeah.

so louis was like

we'll just have the dead moved into the galleries that were built in these abandoned quarries obviously what else are we gonna do again i want to know more about him i also want to know that uh and so in 1785 they transferred these bodies into the catacombs they had like processions of you know black clothed uh you know carriages there were priests and holy people chanting prayers as it was going on.

That's rap.

It must have been the gnarliest procession to watch.

like an yeah like just knowing that they're just putting these it's like going to the ground a metal concert but like a little bit different but like slightly different you know uh and yeah and so they dedicated a person like an artist essentially to arrange the bones in an artful way and when you look at them now you can see like they're beautifully arranged they look like they are part of

the structure of the place.

They look like they are art themselves.

Like they have been meticulously arranged down there.

Yeah.

Gary and Larry fucked it up down there.

And don't you worry, you'll hear about Gary and Larry in this episode.

Don't you worry.

And I mean, fucked it up in the good way.

They did.

They fucked it up, fucked it up.

There's entirely because you have to understand there's fucking it up.

Yeah.

Or there's fuck it up, fuck it up.

Exactly.

There's like entire pillars that are made of bone.

I mean, it's...

It's truly, if you watch Alive in the Catacombs, the Queens of the Stone Age thing, you'll see these in some, in a really beautiful way, too, because it showcases it in a really nice way.

In fact, they like really, the one thing you have to know about this is that they like truly honored the space with this performance.

And there was one point actually in the in the behind the scenes thing where I think they were taught like somebody, you know, one of the producers or something was talking about putting candles around or fake candles.

And Josh actually says he doesn't want candles because he's like, that feels like weirdly ritualistic and like kind of offensive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I was like, I like that that's the mindset they went into.

They're like, oh, that's not what we're doing here.

Like, we're that's not the goal here.

We're not trying to make this spooky, right?

Like, that's not the and they didn't, right?

They didn't make it spooky, they made it like beautiful.

Well, and they just they really just worked with the space, yeah, they that that was already they literally honored it.

So, it's very, I highly recommend it.

But each collection down there has a marker saying which cemetery or you know, grave place, you know, mass grave basically that it came, these bodies came from.

And in 1809, it opened to the public and people were initially allowed to just fucking roam free.

And then they said, that's probably a shit idea.

After they lost a few people, they were like, huh, we should probably put a lid on this.

So, you know, because there was also damages being done.

Like, it is really sad.

You go down there and there's so much graffiti.

People going to people.

Yeah, people going to people.

And some like weird fuck shit was happening, people were getting lost, all that stuff.

So, the government restricted access.

And now you have to get a ticket, you have to go down with a tour guide, and it's only to a certain point.

The government governmented always they all governments always be governments.

While people, people, governments, government.

It's true, they always do be.

Uh, but that's like your little, just a little taste of the catacombs, where at least where they come from, what they're about, and what you're going to see down there.

And now we can bring Josh in, and um,

you can have a blast with us.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Well, welcome to the show.

Thank you for hanging out with us today.

Thank you for having me.

I'm really excited.

Yeah.

So are we?

This is huge.

We're so excited.

We have Josh Hammy on the show.

I don't know if you know him.

He's from this little band.

You know, every once in a while pops up Queens of the Stone Age.

I'm sure our listeners are looking it up right now.

But at the top of the show, we talked a lot about like the catacombs themselves.

We talked about the history of the Paris catacombs.

I shouldn't say the catacombs because there's more catacombs in the world, which is wild.

I know.

They have, there's some under Boston, in fact.

I know.

We got to go.

We do.

Wow.

Really?

They're smaller.

You're close.

I know.

Just two people.

That's it.

It probably literally is, I think it's like 21 people or so.

Yeah, it's nothing in comparison.

You walk in Boston like, here you go.

Here you go.

Like, you saw it.

Get up.

All right.

Next.

I'm ready.

Let's go.

But we, we did mention

your newest, really, really cool, really unique performance alive in the catacombs.

We talked about it.

We watched it.

It was phenomenal.

So

I couldn't get away.

Like, it was beautiful.

It really was.

Honestly, I knew it was going to be beautiful, but I wasn't expecting it to be.

as moving as it was.

Oh, thank you.

I appreciate that.

That space is so beautiful and

sort of existentially beautiful, too.

Oh, yeah.

It's not just, you know, it's not just how it looks, it's how it feels.

And what you, you immediately understand what it took to make it.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

There's something really beautiful in the effort it took to make this, you know, the catacombs there.

Oh, yeah.

And probably so overwhelming, too, in that moment.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah.

I mean, you, you, you immediately, I think it's different because we didn't take a tour.

I don't know.

The only time I've ever been there is when we played there.

That's shocking.

What a first time.

Yeah.

I, I, I'd been working on this for so many years that I swore off going there until I had the first date.

Oh, that's so cool.

I love that.

You know, I thought, I'm not going to go.

I won't go.

There's nothing like that feeling.

Go away, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, I mean, that space is so dominating that you immediately start asking yourselves questions.

Like,

because these I went and saw 28 years later last night,

I haven't seen that yet.

I'm dying.

Okay, though.

And so, there's this one moment where all these, there's a, you know, a memento mori section in this movie, and Ralph finds his character asks the most the same questions that I asked when I was in there.

It's like you're looking at these skulls and you're like, these eyes have all seen,

you know, these

have all smelled, these, these, these mouths have all, you spoken words of

love and

passion and anger and acceptance.

And it was just like

so overwhelming, you know,

that and you look at these

bones and you think,

this is me, I am this, you know, this is you.

It really was overwhelming.

Existential, I think, is definitely the perfect word for that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It also, honestly, it's because I i was thinking about that while we were watching it because when you see them all like first of all how many there are and then the way they're so artfully arranged i i worked in a morgue for a long time like i i was an autopsy technician for like five years so

i i i there was many times where i would look down and just be like wow like this is a person This is a whole person.

Like the, and it was the same kind of thing where like we like, you know, we always closed eyes or like put something over their eyes because it just felt like you don't want them watching you while you're doing everything.

And every time, I know, you're like, don't look at me.

Don't look at me.

Don't look at me.

Yeah.

But it's the same kind of thing where you're like, those eyes saw what I'm seeing like not too long ago.

Or you'd see like a tattoo and you'd be like, oh, this person like went to go get a tattoo once.

Or it always like struck me when they would have like painted nails because I'd be like, oh, you painted your nails, not knowing that yeah that's just mere moments before

right so

it is interesting because everything that's monumental really happens in one second yeah yeah truly there's only before and after and being present in that one second and being aware in that one second is actually rare when you're kind it's it feels rare to me when your consciousness aligns with what's going on usually so much of life feels like you're playing playing catch-up to a moment that just existed.

Truly.

Especially with how our lives go now.

Like everything is so busy, so instant like that.

Yeah.

And the influence is to take your

train your mind off the moment.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's very strange that

that distraction is beneficial to big groups of people that own things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so true.

We're all taught to not be in our own head or in our own thoughts in any given moment.

Yeah, like the suggestion is like, why don't you get out of the moment for a second?

Come with me.

It was, yeah, look at this.

And

that's very strange.

And

in the catacombs, I felt so

there

because I was going through this physical stuff.

And

we were so locked in.

And before each song would happen, for 30 seconds, we agreed to say nothing before.

So we were just, you're almost like,

this is is it.

This is it.

Yeah.

And so you felt so in the center of your feet.

Like, there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow.

We're underground.

I don't know what time it is.

It's like a casino.

No clocks, no doors.

The most macabre casino you can ever think of.

Big risk, right?

Yeah.

That's exactly how I'd imagine it would feel, like, just overwhelmingly present.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think because everyone else in there represented the past and there is no future because there is no, you don't know what time that that absence of where am I

forces you to be stuck there.

And the past of these people is sort of pressing against your backside.

It's like an invisible force.

There's a bunch of sections in there, actually, that they kind of don't show because they're not as sort of sexy, I think, ultimately.

Yeah.

Where they just ran out of, they must have run out of

and to do this kind of exotic work you know because the pillars are decorated the walls are decorated stacked and then there's a couple sections where someone was like i can't anymore i'm done i'm too tired too tired it's just like you know bones in piles as far as the eye can see it's just like we're

where clearly someone put in their two-week notice

that must just be insane though just a pile of bones right next to you that's a sight.

You know, I don't know if you would have the same reaction, but mine was something akin to there's a big pile of bones.

I look over.

I thought, am I supposed to do something?

Am I supposed to start?

Should I start here?

Like, what do I do?

Do I arrange these beautifully?

I know, I heard my dad's voice, like, get to work and get over there and start pumping.

That's a pile.

What do I do with it?

Yeah, like,

that's like a to-do pile.

Yeah, like, we can't just leave that.

I think I would feel the same.

I'm a completionist.

I need to do this.

Like,

feels unfinished.

Yeah.

Well, it feels almost like sensory deprivation and sensory overload all at the same time.

Another thought I had, too, actually, in there was

that because you're in this sensory deprivation tank, you know, you're, I can, I, it was so immediate to picture people working away.

for countless hours, not understanding the reference and sort of getting in the zone

of stacking.

It's like, I'm just doing femurs.

What are you doing?

Yeah, what are you doing?

Hey, how are your skulls coming?

Gary, Gary.

Gary, I love what you've done with that corner.

I was just going to say, I love what you've done with the femurs.

It looks great.

Somebody's like, you should add a tibia in there, and I think it will really offset it.

It'll set it off.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I think you should add some tibias.

Yeah.

You know, we can't.

There's Larry's over here doing metacarpals, and that is itself.

You got to get on Larry's level.

Like, it's really good.

You are not.

Gary, you're no Larry.

Step it up, Gary.

Come on, man.

Step on Gare.

And that's the month again is Larry.

Like, how do you not think of that when you're down there?

Like, I honestly, I would have to be thinking about that.

Well, I think I accidentally turn anything into the office, you know, just like

business vernacular.

Yes, as you should.

That's Elena in our office every single day.

Yeah, I turn everything into that.

Yeah.

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Now, do you?

I know that you have been really fascinated with the catacombs, the Paris catacombs, for a long, long time.

Do you remember when you first became interested in them and what drew you to it?

It was somewhere between the ages of eight and ten.

I, I, I, my, my,

the way I deal with time is at this point in my life, by when records came out.

I don't know what you're about.

That's great.

You know, I'll just be like, oh, that was Songs for the Deaf era.

That era.

So my childhood is like when I was eight or 10 in

a history class,

it was in a book.

And there was a brief discussion about this timeframe.

And it immediately struck me.

I think as a kid,

you never think you're going to die.

And

I think, especially in the United States,

there's a tendency to say, oh, no one's going to die.

No one's dying.

We're good.

Wait, oh, if you just, there's a panic,

you know,

when the only way to know you're alive is to not be dead.

Yeah.

So

I think

I've always been obsessed with the transitions of life.

Like, I think, because I grew up right where the desert starts, you know, it's.

There's mountains and snow and pine trees at the top of the mountain.

It comes down and there's, and the desert begins begins at the base of the mountain.

But in that spot, in that transition, is where all the nutrients are, it's where all the good stuff is, where the oasis is.

It's where all the palm trees are, it's why they're there.

And so, I think I've always been obsessed with one foot in each location.

And things like the catacombs where life and death merge, and then they make art.

That's been my fascination for most of my life.

it's like being split in half where and on that line is where the art is you know oh that's so cool that is that's very big yeah yeah so i just got kind of obsessed with

i i wouldn't say death because i it's not that it's that there's a beauty in that

and that the only way to live is to know that you won't forever i love that yeah yeah i think it's cool too that in the Paris catacombs because like I think over here we can treat death like you were saying like it's like oh like we don't talk about it and just like taboo shut up you're fine like everybody's

shut up

think about death as shut up yeah like just shut up about it like we don't want to hear it and then it's like then the paris catacombs is like this like

i don't want to say like a celebration but it's like a trip

to it and it makes it like this beautiful like these bones are not these people anymore their souls have gone wherever souls go and now they are here but like you know they're here but not here kind of thing.

Like, it's like what you were saying of one foot in, one foot out.

It kind of celebrates life and death all at the same time.

Yeah,

I think it is 100% a celebration.

Yeah.

And

I also think, you know, you keep someone alive when you're talking about them.

Yeah.

And, you know, I had my very best friend pass away a couple of years ago, and we talk about him constantly.

And we have this sort of ofrenda, I suppose, you know,

just over here

on that eagle table.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

And

oftentimes I'll just touch this little sculpture on his head, on the head and be like, hey, buddy.

You know, I just

so I think these sort of celebrations that I suppose become an altar in their own way

are just cool.

And they, that sort of thing gives me relief.

But I also have gallows humor.

And I'm sure.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That was how I survived working in a morgue.

Yeah.

A lot of gallows humor.

Yeah.

It's,

I believe gallows humor is a really successful way to

when life is good, it's funny.

And when life is terrible, it's really funny.

Exactly.

As it should be.

Yeah, it demystifies, it takes out the scariness of it all.

It's adding levity always the way to go.

Especially when you find yourself in a situation where you, where you realize, well, what am I going to do?

Yeah, right.

Even that question is kind of funny sometimes.

It is.

Because a lot of times the answers are not great.

So it's like, might as well laugh at it.

I'm healed.

I'm all good.

But when I got diagnosed with it, with cancer, the

I was behind these, I was in a wheelchair and behind these four other wheelchairs.

And I got

pushed up, and the doctor, who I knew, so we were friendly.

I knew he said, hey, real quick,

you have this, either this type or this type, and I'll be back in five minutes.

I started laughing so hard.

I was like, damn.

It's like a server stopping by and checking in on your team.

These other four people went.

They're like, what?

In a row, almost like a synchronized swimming team in wheelchairs.

Oh, my God.

Oh, man.

And I started, I looked at him and started laughing.

I was like, who wants to go jogging?

I love that.

That's

magical.

I turn around and I yell, of course I do.

I was like, of course I do.

Of course.

I thought it was funny and tragic.

And

it's okay for these things to be everything.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Or

it's okay to admit they're everything.

They already are everything.

Exactly.

Things are rarely just one thing.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

You got to have fun with it.

Yeah.

Have fun with it.

Have fun.

And speaking of having fun, people have fun with the catacombs, apparently.

Yeah.

Oh, sorry, but I turned it dark already.

Oh, no.

Well, no, we'll keep turning it dark.

You're morbid.

You're good.

It's called morbid.

Exactly.

We'll either lead you to the darkness or we'll follow you.

What's our show description?

It's like a lighthearted nightmare.

Yeah.

So it's all.

A lightmare.

A lightmare.

Yeah.

Yeah.

you're in the right place well apparently did you hear about the movie theater that they found in the paris catacombs i did isn't that insane because i obsessed that the the good part about the internet is i have obsessed and i've watched fake videos and real videos and you know

the movie theater you got to tell everyone about the movie theater it was so it was they found it in 2004 which to me always i always am like that was like five years ago and then i'm like no, that wasn't.

It's like over 20 years ago, which is insane.

Damn.

But they found an entire cinema set up in the Paris catacombs.

The people had set up a professional theater.

It had a screen, a projector.

It had a bar.

It had a restaurant set up, seating.

It was stocked with food.

A dinner table.

Yeah.

You could sit down.

Like, they had an illegal electrical system set up.

And like, we thought Lux Level was cool.

Yeah.

I'm like, how, my first thing is like, how'd you get all that down there?

Like what entrance did you go in?

Because I don't think the illegal entrances are very big.

Well, the interesting thing is that the I so I met a couple of cataphiles and

what I come to understand is that there are so many entrances.

The limestone mine that is what it was required such ventilation and is so vast.

It's like 200 kilometers

of passageways and openings.

And so there were so many entrances and exits that, you know,

they sort of

molehole the city that way.

That's the case.

And so there's many times where there'll be steel double doors and they open to a stairwell that goes into the catacombs

or a manhole.

Yeah.

And you think to the sewer and it's like,

yeah, and it's a ladder.

And I love,

I love secret societies.

Unless I'm not included.

And then I hate that.

And then they're lame.

They can't be too secret.

Yeah, what's your problem?

But I love the idea that, you know, that the, I don't know if it's true or not, but on the subject of this cinema dinner club, which I love.

The authorities were down there looking for something completely different.

They see this in this, one of the grander open areas there that can house this size thing.

And

apparently they discover this and then they say they're going to come back tomorrow with a bunch of

and they find it's all completely gone.

I love it.

And there's just a note on the floor that says, do not try to find us.

That is my favorite part of the story.

Don't try to find us.

So chill.

I love that it was like, be very, don't even try.

It's amazing.

I want to be part of that club so badly.

And it feels like a cartoon where, like, they turn to the right and then they turn to the left and everything's gone.

And you're like, how did that happen?

Like, it's Scooby-Doo.

Very.

But someone who kind of is high up in that club is a very clever person.

Yes.

Yes.

A mastermind.

It's one thing to take everything away and it's another thing

to say.

And by the way,

as you leave, you know, there's something very, very sexy about

badass.

It is so so badass.

Yeah, it's, it's quite, I find that quite hot.

I agree.

Agreed.

And a unanimous decision.

Yeah, a unanimous decision that that is hot.

But we're like, hey, if you're out there, we'll listen.

We love you.

My number has a five in it.

Just saying.

Well, and it's on this same topic of like, I'm sure things you've come across, you must have come across the video tape that they found.

Which one?

The one I'm

lost or, you know, trying or feeling they've seen something and running.

Running and dropping the video camera.

Yeah.

And it drops into like a puddle.

You hear the splash and everything.

I want to know if that's real.

There's no, unfortunately,

I just know in my bones that's not real.

See, I was worried it wasn't.

No, I feel in my bones it is.

Really?

My bones are more optimistic, I think.

They are.

They're very optimistic.

And I'm not pessimistic by any stretch because I want it to be real so bad.

Yeah.

I want that to be be real, you know, because so much of the catacombs

are illegal to explore.

I mean, we're the only people to legally play there.

Yeah.

But there, there's been in the open sections, you know, these all these tunnels come to these various open, you know, sort of knuckles that

the veins come off of.

That's what I've come to understand.

I love picturing it like that.

I know.

And in these sort of knuckle rooms that are not as huge as it would seem,

but some are bigger than others.

There's been, you know, raves that have happened.

That's wild.

That's so scary to me.

Apparently, the 80s and 90s, that was like

in rave culture's inception, which I always loved.

In my first band, when I was 18 or 19, I went to a rave

and it, you know, it was like six numbers to get to.

And I was fascinated with it because it was like punk rock without any politics.

And it's like a secret society kind of thing, like a speakeasy.

It's very much that.

Yeah.

And the music was extremely intense and really simplified.

And it was just pounding.

And it's just, and like the idea that that would occur in multiple numbers and the secret society that was about,

I just love escapism.

See the value and escaping the real world.

Yeah.

Not all the time, but using it as a tool to like cope.

Yeah.

And get you, get the pressure and the rights.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Equalize

equalize.

Right.

Right.

Exactly.

And

the idea that this would have occurred in the catacombs amongst

these bones and in this scenario and underground, you can't hear it.

I mean, you want to talk underground.

It's this underground.

It's underground.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's legitimately underground.

It's that's so legit, you know?

Like, that's crazy.

I just think of the fact that you, like, when you're at a rave or at like a super loud concert, you hear that, like, you feel that in your heart.

Yeah.

And like, think in your chest kind of way.

I feel like it would just collapse the catacombs.

I would be horrified.

That's my fear.

That was my fear watching you guys perform.

What's I was like, are you worried?

Yeah.

Well, I'm claustrophobic.

Oh, damn.

Really?

Yeah.

And many of the places I had to go, I'm 6'5, so I had to duck.

I was going to say,

there's a part where you're walking through this little passage and your head is barely scraping that ceiling.

Yeah, you know, I'm just sort of, I'm looking for and reveling in moments where

the situation is clearly in control and I'm not, so I, therefore, I can't be in control.

Like, I look for, especially through music, I look for these moments where

in those moments where you understand control has been taken away.

I feel like those are the moments where I think, okay, so the only thing to do is I just need to be myself and surrender to this.

I'm not in control.

And there, and I love that feeling of being out of control and the risk that's associated with it.

So there were a few places.

It's a little bit of shuddering.

That is my fear.

It is because I feel like there's nothing else to do but be yourself.

There's nowhere else to be.

Yeah.

It's a really really positive.

I always, I even have this on my mic stand on the floor.

It just says, it's too late.

All the rehearsal and all that stuff, it's over now.

Yeah, you just got to go.

It's too late.

Just do it.

Whereas Oscar Wilde said, be yourself, everyone else is taken.

I love that.

And so I realized there were some low-hanging areas I would not be able to recognize.

And I was like,

if I hit myself or hit my head, that's just the way this goes.

Like, that's just something that

will occur.

It's just inevitable.

I'm not interested in hitting my head.

I'm not going to go out of my way to do it on purpose.

But if it happens, just sort of say, that's what happens when the ceiling's low.

And if the blood flows, just let it flow.

Keep it, let it flow.

Just don't, don't do anything.

You know, just allow yourself to

feel whatever's going to happen and just kind of continue on as you were.

Honestly, that's probably the best way to get out of like a panic moment in those situations.

I was going to say, I respect your approach to life.

I got to take this on.

Well, I mean, you know, you don't always find yourself there, but in that moment, in that place, and because I had, you know, we don't have to get into it too much, but it's like because I was so not well.

Yeah.

And so there was like

always this undercurrent of like, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, going on.

But I'm really thankful for that because it connected me to that space.

Yeah.

Because when you, once you walk off this, you know, there's this spiral staircase that you go down that's really tight and you just kind of you go right in a corkscrew motion.

Just continuously.

Yeah, it's like 240 some steps to go up and down, you know.

And, but once you get off this steel thing, you get in this limestone, the ceiling's dripping, the floor starts to crunch under your feet with gravel.

It's sort of like you enter the belly of this

thing and you kind of go back into this womb a little and it's like you know clean up your womb

go to your womb

so you go in this thing and you sort of

you know i just got really connected to this organic thing i was in having my own troubles i'm seeing all this

you know

where where we all will end up it couldn't have been a better situation like it doesn't matter if it hurts it doesn't matter if you hit your head.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter anymore

because we're here now.

Yeah.

Are you going to do it or not?

It's too late.

Yeah.

Too late.

Yeah.

Can't turn back.

But there's something really

sort of beautiful about all the rest of this is done now.

Yeah.

I think as a former

mortician employee that that would probably make sense.

It definitely does.

Not saying you don't.

Cutting hair was not like this.

So no no offense taken.

I mean, I guess there's no going back when you cut off too much, you know?

Too late, definitely.

I'm late in that way.

Like a bad die job.

Yeah, bad die job.

On a whim, I've shaved mine and it's clearly too late.

But there could be going back because it'll grow back.

Exactly.

Yeah, true.

All right.

Well, we kind of got into it.

Like now.

that we've touched on your performance.

So let's get into it a little deeper.

How long did it take you guys to film and what was the prep work like?

Well, we filmed in just one day.

Oh, one day, that's nuts.

Yeah, well, you know, I'm not a perfectionist.

I like, as I said, I like the risk and I like, um, I like it to be just as it is.

Right.

So, we knew that we were going to get complete takes of a song, and we knew we were going to not fix, correct,

you know, edit.

We were just going to let it be.

And I'm glad we chose that because whatever plans you make above ground did not

might not translate.

No.

Well, you think, I think this.

Right.

Yeah.

We really should this.

And as soon as you descend those stairs, it was, it was so clear that the catacombs already exists as it exists.

You will participate in what it's telling you to do.

The catacombs decide.

You plan, the catacombs laughs.

Yeah.

That's actually the correct way to say that that's my that's the real phrase so it was more like an improv what i imagine an improv class was whatever is thrown at you you just say yes and

let's go

and so when we once we

the night before we did a walkthrough as soon as it had closed and they and they had they said to us you have an hour okay you know they wanted to like wow

i mean they they weren't they weren't they were excited we were there but they were like um take an hour like we don't know what's happening here so yeah and

i think there was just a lot of what are you gonna do what are you gonna

and as we walked we just said well we can go here we can go here we we can do this we and we just uh the team we worked with was so good at utilizing our all of our collective excitement that you really just move at the speed of inspiration.

Yeah.

And you move at the speed of excitement.

And with something feels like, yeah,

then you just move on.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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And it became clear because we're using battery-powered things, you know,

became clear to me, I can move around.

I can, when, you know, just walking around that pillar was just

in the moment, like, I'm going this way.

Right.

Here I go.

I don't know.

I just want to see.

And, and, you know, sometimes if there's a camera here, you're, for me personally, I'm like, my natural instinct is get that thing off of me.

Yeah.

And so, walking the flight.

I'm going to take that.

Yeah.

You're like, I'm going to leave you back there.

Bye.

But there's mistakes and there's things.

I mean, you're hearing take two of the first song, you're hearing take three of four takes.

Wow.

Oh, wow.

It feels really nice to be in this moment, have played something twice and say, that's enough.

That's enough.

It's enough.

You know, and

yeah.

So, like I say,

turning over the control to the place and saying,

not being a perfectionist about it.

Right.

And saying, that's as good as I can do that.

I don't know what else to say.

That's, that's, you know, it's nice.

That feels nice, actually.

It sounds like that's just the way you have to approach it down there.

Yeah.

I think in a lot of things,

it's, it seems like perfection is an ideal you strive for, for, but not something to expect to actually.

Nobody is perfect.

So, what makes you think you're going to get there?

Right.

How do you expect to actually get there?

It's not even, you know, and I reckon perfect would be boring because it's free of all mistakes.

Yeah, that's true.

And sometimes the mistakes are the best part.

It's

friction is the most glorious thing of all time.

It's how the universe is made.

It's how babies are made.

Valid.

Music is made.

And so I think you're looking to find something

to borrow friction from

and

enjoy the rub, you know?

And so I think down there, it's so imperfect,

which makes it so classic in there.

Because

we really are second fiddle to that location.

I think that's what

makes me so proud of this thing is that we're almost sort of less important than what's happening

than just the environment.

yeah.

You all worked so it all worked so well together.

Everything complements the other, you know.

Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, you know, I uh I'll tell you,

I couldn't go back up and down the stairs.

I'd gone up and down the stairs about 12 times, and I just, I just couldn't do it.

And the French love lunch, and so

as do I.

I love lunch too.

I was just like, I love lunch.

Um,

so everyone breaks for lunch, and uh,

I just couldn't do it.

And I had a cot that I could lay down in between takes.

And so I just said, I'm fine.

I'm just going to stay down here.

So I was the only person in the catacombs for about an hour.

And, you know, we're deep in there.

I think it's got to be somewhere between 50 and 100 meters deep at various spots.

Yeah.

And so I'm deep and I'm.

I'm many hundreds of meters in, you know, 200 meters in more in this maze.

And it's all I'm hearing is the ceiling dripping and nothing else, and the air gently going.

That's cozy.

That is cozy.

And I, I, uh, I thought, if the lights go out, this is going to be the craziest army crawl I've ever done.

Oh my god, yes.

And I thought, I'm just not going to try to go anywhere, you know.

And then, but I thought there's over six million people here.

If I,

if there's a chance to be haunted, oh, yeah,

this is it.

You're not on that.

That's prime time, you know?

Yeah.

I just said,

this is it, and it's too late.

You know, it's too late.

And what I, what I found really interesting is that maybe it had to do with the physical state I was in, you know, where my body's just humming and I have a kind of a pretty high fever.

But I realize something about the word haunting is.

It's not, that's not bad.

It just isn't one or the other.

It's just this kind of like the waves coming and like, because I felt so

welcomed and embraced there.

Oh, I love that.

That it gave me peace.

I'm not going to lie.

I was doing a lot of this at first.

Oh, yeah, of course.

Just naturally.

You know, and

I never got up.

Once I sat down, I just was sitting in my cot.

I'm looking around and I said, oh, whatever you're going to do,

let's just have it.

Do your best.

Do your worst.

And I got to say, the overwhelming feeling was

so embracing.

And it was a bit like, don't just play here, stay here.

You know,

and I

laid down and I'm looking around, and I, and it, I just, it lulled me to sleep.

And I fell asleep for the first time in a long time.

You took a nap in the motherfucking catacombs.

Yeah.

That's some gangster shit.

That's really cool.

And

I woke to the sound of young,

two young interns, a boy and a girl, speaking French.

Oh, God.

And they were kind of whispering.

They're like, is this guy dead?

No,

my cot was a little bit set back into this hallway, which was not really lit.

Oh, my God.

So they couldn't see.

So they're like, what?

So I was in 100% pitch black

in a mine dark.

Even more gangsta.

Josh, Jehovah.

Where it was like,

when I would turn around, I couldn't see my hand until I put it up to the light.

But down the hallway, I was like, nothing, right?

I hear their feet softly on the gravel.

I hear them speaking French and they walk kind of right by me.

And I sit up and I said, what time is it?

And they go.

You ruined their lives in that moment.

You ruined their collective lives.

You took at least five years off of both of their lives.

Did they die then?

And then they disappeared.

And then they were gone.

It was so weird.

They did crazy.

They immediately turned and, you know, French is their first language.

So they immediately turned and sort of, I understand enough French, they were swearing in French.

And then he was like,

what are you doing?

You like just snapping.

French, French, French, French, French, transition.

What are you doing?

These young kids that were like interns, they probably weren't being paid a single cent.

Like, you can't do that.

Have the audacity to be like, oh, you gotta be a fucking mind.

You're just sleeping in a dark corner.

A little bit.

Yeah, a little bit.

It's fine.

Maybe a lot of it.

Oh, my God.

That's amazing.

Honestly, though, as a parent,

I understand why that was probably the best sleep you've ever gotten.

Yeah.

Because I feel like I'm not a parent, but that does make sense.

Like the idea of that is so horrifying at first.

And then I'm like, actually, no, that sounds kind of awesome.

Just kind of like grade A spot.

80 feet underground, just in a dark corner.

There was just this feeling of

pressing onto you.

Yeah, just like leaning.

Like, you know, when your dog just sort of decides to go like this, dead weight on you.

You're like, the fuck are you doing?

I got a leaner.

I got a leaner.

The catacombs is a leaner.

Wow.

That's well, I think it closes in on you.

Yeah.

And I had no sense of claustrophobia, obviously, no sense of time.

And so I also think

that piece of there is nothing, you know,

it doesn't matter what's happening upstairs.

It reminded me of there's, you know, I have a couple moments of things that are completely unexplained in my life.

I have this moment in Pennsylvania.

So my first band was called Caius and we traveled in a van and we met these two gals that were DJs at like a

really little station, a station that would play us at the time.

We did this interview on the radio and they said, Well, you know, we live in Pennsylvania, which is, you know, extremely haunted.

And we have a ghost in our house named Isaac, who we've seen from the waist up.

Oh, that's it.

You know, we live in a 200-year-old

farmhouse

in rural Pennsylvania.

And, you know,

we were, as a collective, some people believed more than others.

I was a complete skeptic of, you know, I want to believe in ghosts, but I need, I need empirical evidence.

And it can't, it can't just go bump in the night, especially in a wood house that's creaking and contract.

Fair enough.

That's how I am usually.

Right.

And

I want the science to prove the

ethereal.

Right.

And so.

These girls were like, you should come stay at our house whenever you're passing through next time.

And so, about two months later, we were on our second kind of tour.

And so, we did.

And we went to this farmhouse, and our bass player, Scott, is married

to

an Indigenous tribal leader's daughter.

Oh, wow.

And so, he was like calling her and saying, What should we do or not do?

You know, that's why very sweet.

He's like taking notes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And she was, she she basically said,

don't

antagonize.

Yeah.

Don't ever provoke.

Don't ever provoke.

And don't drink.

Oof.

The ladder's ladder kind of sucks.

Yeah.

So we start drinking.

That one immediately.

This is like a, I would say, a 10-bedroom.

very much older and sort of not dilapidated, but not palatial.

It was, you know, rustic.

Yeah, rustic, very, very much rustic.

Honestly, Elena and I both grew up in a house like that.

Yeah, with less bedrooms.

Yeah.

But something that is terrifying when you look at it.

Yeah, just like very ominous.

Yeah.

It was like, I

instinctually

don't love this.

He said, I actually don't really want to stay here.

Well, I was probably 19 years old, so I was very blase.

Like, I don't love this, but we're going in.

Yeah.

And we had a video camcorder, and the singer, John, and I, I said, can we investigate this place?

We were going to sleep in the attic, an eight-frame open attic.

Oh, damn.

It was the epicenter of activity for that reason.

Of course, it was.

Dobb, that's the best.

And for that reason, we were going to sleep there.

So I'm like jealous of you right now.

I know.

So we, the singer, John, and I go room to room, opening every chiffer robe and amoi, every closet door that had servants, stairwells, and stuff.

So kitchens would have a small door and then go up a spiral staircase.

I personally went to every single room in this house with John and antagonizing the singer.

Wow, you ignored all the nests.

Doing exactly what you were doing.

Why did you get caught?

I mean, it wasn't aggressive.

It wasn't like, come and get me.

What's going on with it?

It was kind of going,

like, this is a haunted toilet seat.

Whoa, lift it up.

Being very 19-year-old boy about it.

Yeah, just a complete bonehead,

which I maintain to this day.

As do we.

I've cultivated.

It's worked out.

Yeah.

I mean, so far,

I'd say it's been

a little, you know.

Good work if you can get it.

Yeah.

As you well know.

You'll never work a day in your life.

She loves what you thought personally.

Stay stupid, my friend.

So

we go room to room, methodically, first floor, second floor, attic, right?

And

I can vouch for opening every single.

I said, can we open your closets and do this thing?

They're like, go ahead.

You know, up on top of the closet feeling above.

I'm tall enough, so is John.

There's no stone unturned, I guarantee you.

We set our sleeping bags up in a circle.

Oh, that's fun.

With our feet in the circle, in the center of the circle.

And there was our manager, Kathy, her husband, our soundman, this guy, John, and the four of us.

And so there's six of us.

sleeping on a hard floor.

And, you know, if you want to use the restroom, you have to go down to the second, you know, floor and take this creaky staircase.

And the camera was in the middle, and I would wake up intermittently and just film around.

And

the amount of times I woke up was ungodly that night, I think, because you're expecting something.

Oh, yeah, you're on guard.

And every time I woke up and opened my eyes, I would look over at one of my band members and their eyes would be wide open.

Just like, they heard your eyes like

our bass player, Scott, is quick to be like, There are things here for sure.

You know, it's very, very quick, so quick to do that that I was like, ooh.

Immediately, you're like, no, you had to bonehead it out.

Somebody untied my shoes around here.

It's being a total asshole, essentially, a bonehead as a coping mechanism.

Right.

And so no one slept.

Nobody slept.

And I sat up multiple times and filmed around.

And although the experience was eerie, you know, and I heard noises because it's an all-wood home.

My dad's a contractor.

I understood what I'm hearing is more than likely is not, there's no evidence here of something else.

The house is settling.

He said, I actually just should call my dad over.

And we all finally fell asleep in the early morning hours.

And we all sort of woke up together.

And as we're waking up, stretching, we're like, oh, dude, that was a terrible night's sleep.

All agreeing.

We kind of stand up and we're stretching.

And Scott, our bass player, reaches down.

And in the center of where our feet is, the little circle, I guess you could call it, was you know about this big, a little more than shoulder width.

Scott reaches down and picks up this accordion and starts playing it and goes,

that's amazing.

The only problem is that we don't own an accordion.

I was literally just going to say there was just an accordion.

Some of the keys were missing,

like the some of the ivory on the keys and it was unsnapped so just to sort of describe the accordion which is one of my least favorite things to do in life but

describe accordions yeah i truly hate it i'm going to do it here go go for it

but clearly it's about pushing air and this vented system yeah air so One of the terrible things about accordion is when you move it, when it's unsnapped,

the snap keeps the vent closed.

But when you unsnap it, it goes, hey,

and it's constantly like one of the worst or one of the best things?

It's the fucking worst.

And so the reason being is that it's like a needy friend that's needy all the time.

It goes, hey,

hey, hey, hey,

guys.

So he picks up this accordion that's unsnapped and starts going,

Scott was acting like me, basically.

He went full bonehead.

He's like, dude, who says this?

And I was like, and individually, each of us are like, well, it's obviously not fucking mine.

Not mine.

I have an accordion.

And it starts from giggling to confusion

to

disbelief to anger.

We start arguing.

Who the accordion brought the accordion?

Who put this here?

Yeah.

And John and I start saying, We filmed this whole house.

I didn't see an accordion anywhere.

There was no accordion anywhere.

I want to tell you something

that doesn't get said a lot.

You can't hide an accordion.

No, you really can't.

You know what?

That doesn't get said enough, I think.

Tell more people that.

How many fucking dinner parties do you go to where somebody tries to say that you can hide an accordion?

Spread the word.

Or I brought you something.

Here's an accordion.

What do you get for the person that doesn't want something?

But

it turned into anger and finger pointing.

It was like, who put this here?

You put this here.

No, I didn't.

How could I put this?

Where did I get this from?

It turns into John and I saying, I can assure you, like, we searched everything.

So unless this is in the deep recesses of something, not to mention

having gone to take a leap in the middle of the night myself out of sheer, like, I have nothing to do do and I can't walk.

You never saw an accordion

going down the squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak.

Like you could not have infiltrated our circle of six

and plopped an open accordion.

Unless you were Isaac, because it would have said, hey.

I don't, I wish I hadn't said plopped, but whatever.

Whatever you do.

You couldn't have pulled this off.

Because it wasn't just me that didn't sleep well.

And then we approached the two girls downstairs and were like, Can we bring the accordion?

And we said, He said, Whose is this?

We found your accordion, ha ha ha.

And to my amazement, I saw the look on their face.

They said, We don't have an accordion.

They said, Why the fuck would we have an accordion?

We like music.

Why would I have that?

That would actually be really embarrassing for us.

Our Zydeco band, is that what you're saying?

So they freak out

and they said, this is Isaac.

That is not us.

This is Isaac.

This is Isaac's accordion.

I love that Isaac just like brought an accordion.

He said, you say you're musicians.

Musicians.

Make music.

Look, other spirits.

Look, musicians.

And, you know, this is a farmhouse that had been a hospital in the Civil War.

So they needed some entertainment.

This is a place.

where accordions thrived apparently.

Yeah, and continue to.

I didn't realize later it was an accordion farm.

That made sense then.

Picture watermelons that don't sound good.

But they just

right out of the ground.

Their shock and horror started to become ours.

And as we get in the van to drive off with our trailer, no one spoke for a couple hours.

And then we get a phone call.

They took it to a local music store immediately and said,

what the fuck am I holding?

And sure enough, the music store owner said, You're holding a huge mistake.

No,

he said, Get that fuck out of the middle.

You're holding an abomination.

I said, This was a music store.

Get this thing out.

No, he said, Oh, wow, this is beautiful.

This is like turn of the century.

This thing is a, this thing is almost 100 years old.

And this was, this was in the early 90s.

Wow.

He said, wow.

Yeah.

He's like, some of the keys are missing, but, you know, I mean, you know, if you fix it up, this could be worth $7.

No,

he was like, no, this is extremely old.

This is the oldest accordion I've ever seen.

Wow.

And so I don't have an experience with an apparition, but I have something I cannot explain that is so bizarre that it almost

I still feel almost a little foolish, even like, like, I don't, for years after this,

every once in a while, it would be like, just between you and me, did you put the accordion there or not?

Did you, or not?

just say yes for real and i have it somewhere on film you know um

and apparently these the footnote to this is the two girls started seeing full body to the floor isaac all the time and so they moved within a month

full body isaac well you completed him when you played the accordion full body isaac which sounds like a really terrible nail strip of it does full body isaac yeah welcome to full body isaac damn i don't want that i don't want full body accordion most people don't most people don't want full body isaac because i was i was honestly concerned with the terrible move that they heard from the wait they saw from the waist up isaac i was like how nobody you know what people say but then you heard full body isaac and you're like i was like what you said i don't want that either i don't want that but sometimes people say that if you are in like a haunted place or you live in a haunted accordion farm that when you see half of someone it's because there's been renovations since they passed oh yeah and they're actually like stuck in whatever that full room was but maybe you've done some kind of renovation so they're like stuck in between or they're showing like they're in we've covered something unrenovated yeah unrenovated yeah you're walking on like the previous place where the floor was so you'll see like waste below coming from the ceiling.

I forget the hotel that we covered once, but we covered a hotel and there had been a fire there.

And somebody was seeing like a Native American man in the now hotel's dining room, which had previously been two rooms.

So he was upstairs, but people would see like his feet.

Yeah, see him like halfway out of the ceiling.

Yeah.

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Well, you know, we passed around a lot of discussion and in particular with these two gals.

I wish I still knew them or remembered their names.

It's been so many years because I'm so old.

But, you know, there was a lot of positivity eventually

about this being an offering and a token of

sort of like, hi, guys.

Hey.

Hi, guys.

Look, Look, look, I heard your musicians.

Look, yeah, check out my fucking according.

He's like, I know music too.

A little bit of a Labrador vibe.

Yeah.

Very golden retriever.

He's a lot Isaac.

All my other experiences of unexplained things have always been positive in the same manner.

They've never been negative in any way, shape, or form.

Oh, that's a good thing.

And the same feeling I had.

that it's I feel the same way about the catacombs and why I fell asleep.

That I just was like, I felt like, you know, sit, lay down.

Yeah.

They were just like tucking you in.

Sit, lay down, play an accordion when you wake up.

Yeah.

We'll leave you with a fancy.

Thankfully, I wasn't asked.

The catacombs, Parisians have way more taste than that.

There you go.

They have the little ones, you know?

Oh, yeah.

See, tasteful.

Yeah, I forget what those are called.

Annoying.

That's right.

That's it.

That's it.

Nailed it.

Also, respect the way you made that story come full circle.

Yeah.

That was impressive.

That was.

Well, I'm just realizing that,

and I am realizing this for the first time, that, as I say, my experiences in this realm have never been negative.

Just lucky, I guess.

Bye.

Bye.

And with that, I leave you.

All right.

Good luck, everyone.

Before you actually do walk away from us, do you want to play?

Catacombs themed, Would You Rather?

Absolutely.

Let's

do this.

Are you starting us off?

I was going to say, you should crack your knuckles because it's going to get weird.

Yes.

Stretch a little bit.

Get ready.

This is accordion.

Yeah.

Oh, excuse me.

I'm already stretched.

I stretched way before this.

Got to prep the accordion.

All right.

So the first would you rather is you're in the catacombs, you find a secret tunnel and it's marked don't.

That's it.

What do you do?

Do you go in anyway?

Or

sorry, I don't even feel like that's it.

Don't.

The second choice is: do you avoid it and be forever haunted by a ghost who sighs, coward, every time you go to sleep?

It's a hard choice, we know.

I'm a don't person.

In fact,

I've always wanted to open a speakeasy that is just a neon sign behind the window.

So you just see it and it just flashes don't.

That's a great idea.

I think that's great.

The place is called don't.

So you've got, you've hit me in the center of my don't.

Right in the feels, right in the O of the don't.

I love it.

So you're going in.

I'm definitely going in.

I think that's life is all about ignoring the rules.

Yeah.

Finding which ones to ignore.

Yeah.

I think I'd go in at that point.

I don't want to listen to a ghost every time I'm going.

I just don't want to be judged by a ghost every night.

That's the, no, like, I don't want to hear it.

That's a reason to go.

I don't want to hear it.

I don't want to hear it.

Yeah, we're judged by enough living people every day.

I don't need because I just picture some like bitchy ghost walking up to me right as I'm getting comfortable and Ben just being like, coward, coward, and just like walking away.

And I'm just like, I love that yours is full disdain, just like coward.

Disgusting.

What would yours be, Ash?

How would it say?

I think it would have to be kind of like creepy, like coward.

See, that I'd just be like, I'd be like, fuck off.

Yeah, mine would be like, coward.

Yeah, just like, ha.

Just a little school taunting.

Like, coward.

Very like, sucker.

See, mine's got disgust, and that's why I sit down.

Yeah, yours is the harshest.

Wow,

yours is rooted in like a need for therapy.

Yeah, it's it's rooted in judgment,

and I don't like that.

I think Ash's is sort of like, coward,

yeah,

see what I did there.

See, that I could kind of, I'd be like, all right, that's kind of funny.

Every night, yeah, every night would go since you'd be like, all right, bye.

But I think I, for some reason, I'm shaking my head because yours is going,

yeah, that's right yeah yeah

it's a challenge i don't take criticism well so i'm just going in yeah it's true i don't love that yours is based on criticism like i'm not dealing that's enough of that yeah i can't do it anymore yeah i gotta go in there i don't want to hear it i'm just enough

i always think though when someone is saying you can't you can't do this you cannot do that I always think, oh, what do you know?

Like, yeah, I can.

I can do whatever I want.

step aside coward

coward and that's why you're going in though so that makes sense can we all say our versions of coward on together yeah

and that is a sound bite mine has a face with it that's the it's a visual mine is a hand lotion mine is like oh

all right so we're all going in all right hopefully we've all made it out no question.

Yeah.

If we've made it out alive, uh-oh, we're now lost in the sugarcombs.

This is like goosebumps.

So it's choose your own adventure.

So that's what scares me.

I'm putting it as in.

This is scary.

So who do we trust to guide us out?

Is it a French-speaking bat with a drinking problem

or

a drunking problem?

Isn't it already?

Maybe we've drank

it.

I'm feeling that so hard.

A French

You don't have a drunken problem.

Look who's got the biggest drunken problems and not

drunk.

He just flies out of nowhere.

He's like, wee, we.

I don't have a drinking problem.

Ossipher, I do not have a drunking problem.

Gason.

Sorry to interrupt.

I'm sorry.

That was great.

There's that guy.

Or there's a glowing skull, but he only answers any questions we we have in riddles and dad jokes.

Choose your fighter.

Who are we letting lead us out?

The bat with a drunking problem speaks French.

Then there's the glowing skull that only does dad jokes and riddles.

Yeah.

I mean,

if I'm honest, even though I like to have a drink, like if I'm honest, I got to go with the dad jokes.

I love a dad joke.

My husband is not yet a dad, but he is perfecting his dad jokes right now.

Oh, yeah.

It's a lifelong process.

I love it.

I have great respect for it.

Yeah.

John's favorite is he'll randomly say to our girls, did you know that someone in this family is turning into an owl?

And they'll say, who?

And that's just adorable.

And then he'll just be like, yeah,

gotcha.

Gotcha.

And every time now they've like caught on to it and they're like, oh,

shut up.

The adult that that would work on is who I want to hang out with.

Right.

who or if an adult would say who

that's the person i need to be around frankly i might be that person that's the person you need in your life at all times take down my number

it has a five and it does it has a five in it we know that are you going dad jokes elena so i'm really good at riddles and oh

it's humble brag

an unhumble brag okay

i'm pretty sick of riddles i'm really bad at riddles i'm good at them okay that's why i keep you around and i live with a dad

so i'm fluent in dad jokes as well the riddler's going with dad jokes yeah i'm going with dad jokes i don't know what i'm going with

i don't understand french but i the bat would be flying out of there so i guess i'd just follow

yeah but but

you know drunk flying Yeah, I know.

You know what happens there when you're drunking and you're drunk and flying is against the law, they say.

Follow me, boom, right into the wall.

Yeah, and then he's passed out, and I have to wait even longer.

No, then you have to walk into the wall because that's where he said to go.

That's what he said.

What am I doing?

I'm doing what you say.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I don't want to.

Okay.

Dad jokes and riddles.

I'll just be with you.

We're always together.

Yeah.

And I'll help you with the riddles.

Okay.

You know.

And I'll loll at the dad.

Me and the riddler.

We're getting out of here.

Yeah.

We're getting the hell out.

All right.

That works.

All right.

So we haven't gotten out quite yet.

So we awake at a catacomb rave.

Who's your DJ?

A spectral monk who mixes Gregorian chants with dubstep?

Picture that for a second, take that in, or a talking skull on a rimba just screaming bone zone on loop.

That would drive me crazy.

You decide

that second one would drive me crazy.

Okay, but wait,

but dubstep, like,

yeah, like that, right?

But with the hoo,

which sounds like you're in a really weird spa.

Yep.

But I think the Roomba thing would drive me crazy.

And what he's just yelling in the bone zone.

Well, he was just yelling bone zone, but he could yell in the bone zone too.

Right.

I mean, it wouldn't change how annoying that is.

Do you think that he would just be yelling it in the same tone, or do you think he would remix it?

Because we had this discussion when we came up with the questions.

No, no, it would be so annoying.

I already hear it.

It's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, bozo.

Like every time.

Well, no, I think it would be different with like

bone zone and then would be like, you're in the book, boop, boop.

And I

drive me crazy.

Yeah, that would be annoying.

I would be, I would be in a tough spot not to assault this.

Yeah.

This glowing skull, or excuse me, this talking skull, this Roomba riding skull.

Yeah, it's already making me go, like,

look around for help.

Like, am I alone here?

Because someone else hates this with this guy.

So you're going Gregorian monk with dubstep.

i'm gregorian that direction yeah spectral monk is pretty fun yeah i would say i like dubstep when you say spectral monk that sounds like a book i would read absolutely so so i feel like new one about the spectral monk hell yeah

terrifying yeah i think we're we can all be unanimous on that the one with the the roomba too is the thing about a roomba is that it always gets stuck So that thing would just be like beeping while it's like trying to back up too.

And it would be like yelling.

And it's like, oh.

Yeah.

And I don't like that the skull is piggybacking.

Because to tell the truth, I once bought a Roomba and just, you know, at a very difficult time in my life, I would watch it and it would get stuck.

And I would go, oh,

like, it's stuck.

It's stuck.

It was a little he Roomba for me.

It was like, he's over there.

He loves this corner so hard.

Oh.

And he can't move.

Poor thing.

But then you're like, who loves the corner over there?

Who loves loves the corner?

It's like a

go clean that corner.

You get over there.

So I don't like that he's sort of bullying.

Bullying really gets on my nerves.

And so I just, I would slap that skull and then I would

be Gregorian that way.

Hell yeah.

Gregorian out.

I agree.

Okay.

So now you have to spend the night, which apparently you sort of did halfway when you took your nap.

But now you've been there, done that.

Did it.

Spend the night in a special catacomb tomb.

But the problem is either the walls whisper compliments all night, like weirdly specific ones like your kneecaps are so powerful.

Or the floor is made of teeth, lots and lots and lots of teeth from unknown origins and they're warm.

Warm teeth.

Warm teeth.

And you don't know why.

Or weirdly specific compliments.

from the walls.

Compliments make me want to barf.

me too.

I guess what if they were oddly specific, though?

But that even makes me want to barf harder because they're then, if they're specific, they're so tailored towards you and not someone else.

You know, it's not like you know how to throw a great party, which is sort of broad and ambiguous.

Like everybody kind of knows how to do that, but it, but it's, but it's like, I love the way your mustache is coming in.

I don't know, you know, no one rocks that.

Like, I just can't,

you know, I

compliments are a surefire way for me to sort of say,

it was not great talking to you.

Let's go.

I'm going.

Never again.

I'll be going now.

I have teeth dreams recurring for my whole life.

Me too.

Same.

And so, and I've had everything done to my teeth possible from being a total moron throughout my life.

Oh, God, this is actually hard.

Do you want to go first?

So my, I had the same thought about the compliments are an absolute no-go for me because the second somebody compliments me, I'm like, oh, like I like immediately shrink into i'm leaning in for sickness so i would just be huddled in extreme discomfort all night if they were complimenting me i'd be like stop it yeah cut up squish like this all 10 my heart rate would my blood pressure would be up it would just be bad but teeth i don't love teeth i don't love walking on teeth have you ever experienced warm teeth warm teeth might be nice i was gonna say like a heated floor It might be like, this beach is not so bad.

Yeah, it's just a little, little bit chilly.

Don't forget unknown origins.

So we don't know if everybody's brushed these.

That's the other thing, though.

It's unknown.

So I don't know.

In my head cannon, these are clean teeth.

Oh, I never saw that.

Clean teeth from a unicorn.

Oh, I need a scar.

I'm wearing my slippers.

I don't go anywhere barefoot.

So that way.

You can't do that.

You can't do that.

You're breaking the rules.

You can't do that.

I can't go in my head cannon.

No.

God damn it.

No, but I love head cannon, though.

Fire.

I can't do do it.

Fire a rule.

No, you're changing the rules.

You can't do that.

You're changing the rules because they're unknown origin.

And that was from the outset.

Ash said that right after.

And then I made it of known origin.

Yeah, and you're like, these are from various unicorns, which I love and pet everything.

It's beautiful.

Yeah.

I wouldn't change it.

I can't make it known origins.

All right.

Unknown origins.

I messed up.

Different colors, possibly, different stanks.

So

here's where I say the teeth are.

The mouth smells

disgusting.

Oh, I didn't think about that.

Okay, here, though, I'm still staying with teeth.

They're warm.

Yep, hear me out.

I don't ever walk in bare feet.

I don't walk in bare feet in my house.

I always have socks on.

I have a thing about bare feet.

And also,

that's doable.

I have a deviated septum, so I can't smell very well.

I do too.

So

to me, I'm walking on some shells on the beach in my head.

Like, that's what I'll tell myself.

No.

no oh yeah you're like they're just shells it's warm and it's warm you know what and i can't smell so no

yeah

oh i'm so so completely on the contrast of you i have a great sense of smell like you do to a fault she has every sense of smell i'm not i'm not about that life um and i'm always barefoot in fact sometimes i leave here and i forget my shoes here yeah and i love compliments so i'm going oddly specific compliments all the way.

That's kind of your ideal situation.

Yeah, actually.

Where would I sign up for that?

I just pictured you shoeless and comfy, smelling the clean air, just going like, thanks.

Yeah, thank you so much.

I agree.

Every couple of minutes, you're just like, thank you so much.

Yeah, this is, this is my dream.

Like sitting up randomly and just being like, I know, right?

Or like, do you really mean it?

Are you you serious?

You're for real right now?

Yeah, I'm going compliments.

And I think

my deep-seated dislike of

being brown-nosed is going to push me in the tooth zone.

You guys are nuts.

Your deviated septum is going to help you.

Yeah, I mean, I can stab my brain on the right side, clear,

and my left nostril is completely closed off.

So I

do guys have the same deviated.

I don't like this.

We have a mirror deviation.

Like Like where you've taken me, but I'm going to tooth it up.

Tooth it up, baby.

The crunch of the teeth, though.

I don't know.

Yeah.

And the stank.

But again,

just get that deviated septum working and you're going to be.

But the smell of a brown noser is

way worse.

Hey, maybe they're not brown nosing.

Maybe they mean it.

Okay.

Maybe they mean it.

Brown nosers mean it.

Trust me.

But you don't know.

Like, what if the walls are whispering it like really sarcastically?

Like, they're like, oh my God, I love how your eyebrows look today.

There you go.

Again, that's, I'm saying, you don't know.

It doesn't say.

Yeah, you don't know.

That wasn't in the rules.

You can't bend this.

Yeah, you can't.

They're just oddly specific.

They're oddly specific, but we don't know how they're said.

Because there would certainly be a tired moment where you're just completely like five-year-old tired.

We're like, oh, yeah.

You'd be like, enough out of you.

Oh, no.

Are you serious right now with the compliments?

That has the potential to ruin me if they're sarcastic compliments.

If they're being, which, you know, because those are just criticisms.

that looks good on you though.

Oh

no, I would never sleep.

What if the walls are like, oh my god, I wish I could dress as comfortable as you do?

I do dress really comfy, so I'd be like, yeah, fucking try it.

I wish I could just not care.

That's heck and mess right there.

That's, I wish the walls would,

you know, saying, I wish I could dress as comfortable as comfortable like that.

I wish I could be comfortable being so careful.

I'm too classed up with all all these skeletons.

I'd say, well, I bet you're uncomfortable, asshole.

And then we'll welcome you into the teeth room.

I'll say, please let me in, you guys.

No, you'll say, no, you chose this.

Let me in your mouth guys.

Oh, man.

Oh, man.

All right.

So we have a couple more, but we're getting a little more like darker.

It's a realistic match.

Okay.

Because we're almost out.

So it's got to be.

We're almost out.

So now we're on our way out.

Would we rather walk through waist-deep water in a flooded tunnel or crawl through a dry but very narrow passageway?

This is so simple for me.

Yeah.

So I'm not through water.

I'm not crawling to a tight space.

I'm too big for that shit.

I shouldn't have even been employed to do that job.

That's not.

No.

No.

I fire myself from that job.

Yeah.

We're walking through the water.

One where you're like this, like a little wiggle machine.

Yeah.

I'm not, I'm not, I, I'm not, I can't.

You know, when cave divers are like, and then I let the air out of my lungs and you're like, what the fuck?

Yeah, they're like, I had to let all the air out of my lungs so I could get smaller to collapse my body.

I just want to see your bodily processes to get through there.

No, no.

I don't want to talk about this part anymore.

See?

Yeah.

And the greatest thing is we, you choose to do it.

So I'm not doing it.

No.

Also,

I've seen the descent.

I'm not doing that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And frankly, I'm a little peeved that we even suggested this.

This is too much.

Like, honestly, I know it was a little bit more.

Honestly, thank you guys for bringing it up.

You just end the Zoom call.

You're like, fuck those lyrics.

Fuck those ladies.

We're done with them.

This was fun.

See ya.

The only bummer is, and like, obviously, we're going through the water regardless, but stagnant water, we're going to get sick.

We're going to get parasites, everybody.

And it's just like, what's just like three inches from the floor there?

Yeah.

And like, I just,

yeah,

I'm doing it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I probably ultimately would walk through pretty briskly.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

We'd be around.

And I'd be like, oh, I just got some of my mouth.

Yeah.

You know, just getting leg day going.

We're doing it together.

So we have, we have support.

Yeah.

Get, get behind me.

Get in my wake.

Carrying us on the field.

Water ski in my wake.

Incredible.

All right.

This next one is fucked up.

You thought that was bad.

You are going to leave after this.

I don't want to go any further.

You're like, I'm done.

I'm dying in the catacombs.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm going to boil this water.

I'm going to drink with this bat.

I'm going to drunk with this bat.

Yeah.

All right.

So the next one.

Drink.

I'm not drinking.

Yeah.

Okay.

Not the last one, the next, whatever, the next one.

So would you rather find your own full name etched into a skull, like freshly etched into the skull, full name, or discover a photo of you that has been taken of you a minute ago, like laying down in a sealed chamber.

I like that you sat back for this.

I mean, this is like a, you said, I got to get comfy to the side.

This is a heady one.

Immediately, when you said etched into a skull, I was like, that's kind of badass.

It's kind of maddle.

For me, that could be like, even though it veers close to the compliment in my own mind right away.

I like the idea that there would be somebody that's really into music that would be down there and think, you know, who would love this?

Let me get with my chisel real quick.

Hold on a second.

Like, that's something where I would go, oh, you thought of me.

That's very kind, actually.

That's the kind of compliment I'm looking for.

Yeah,

I would gauge the

sincerity of that.

That was what Larry did to get employee of the moment.

Yeah.

Exactly.

This is how you win my good graces, Larry.

Gary would never think of that.

No, he never thought.

That's why I don't like Gary.

The photos would be that we've just discovered something that's not good and is still here.

That's in my mind.

That's where that goes.

Yeah.

You know, and so I would think, oh, now I got to watch my six all the time.

I'm like, not happy about that.

Yeah.

Just, you know, I don't love looking over my own shoulder.

That's not a good feeling.

No, and I want to see like what's going on.

Like, I don't want someone seeing me and I can't see them.

Yeah, no, that's nobody.

Yeah, I don't like people, I don't like people creeping on me.

I don't like, I don't like motherfuckers crawling on me.

Same, get off my back.

Don't do that.

You need to create some space here.

Yeah, Gary.

Yeah, and I need to keep my eyes on you.

It's true.

Yeah, get off my heels.

You get in front of me, Gary.

I don't like get where I can see you.

I need to see you, Gary.

Kodak Gary over here taking pictures of me, put them in the goddamn thing.

No,

I'm also a really ugly sleeper.

So, oh, deviated septum.

My mouth is wide open when I sleep.

It's not good.

I'm the opposite.

I'm like curled back.

So I have like 18 chins.

And my husband's like, oh, she looks cute.

And shows me later.

I'm like, why the fuck did you take that picture?

Seriously.

I love the grounds for divorce.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not finding an ugly picture.

It's a little bit.

I think everyone is sort of ugly cute in their sleep.

That's the thing.

You know what?

Not everyone.

I was going to say I couldn't.

I was trying to keep it positive.

Because I think my husband, my husband will take pictures of me if I fall asleep on the couch, but it's never like, oh, look how cute you are.

He's like, look how crazy you look.

It's like a total dead body.

I'm not trying.

I'm trying to be nice here, but a total dead body.

He's like, check yourself.

Yeah.

He's like, damn, I'm humbling you right now.

She humble brags and he's like, look at this.

You're a five-year-old.

You know, you watch them sleep and you see their eyelids.

You just trace the lines of their face.

You're the cutest.

And then, yeah, yeah, other than unfortunately, the rest of us look like crime scenes.

Literally.

Yeah.

They look so peaceful.

And I'm like, how do you do that?

I guess you don't have a deviant septum.

So they don't have worries yet.

Worries.

There's still time.

They're not cognizant of the world around us.

They're like, this is cool.

We're going to break that note somehow.

We're going to take it.

We'll make it happen.

The other thing is, with your name etched into a bone, I was saying, people have the same names.

Maybe that's not for me.

Yeah, my last name means man in French.

So it does josh man

yeah yeah see i have a pretty unique name so you do

it would freak me out a little bit yeah to see urquhart on one i'd be like

i have the most modern name ever ashley kelly so you could say that could be a lot could be anybody yeah anybody's mom made a bad decision name them ashley that smells like mine that's some that's just uh you know Ashley Kelly.

That's your married name.

So that's just a drunk Irish thing that's that's drunken with that bat.

Yeah.

Oh, no, that's my nation name.

That's why I got rid of it.

Grab Ashley Kelly.

Oh,

it's rough.

Come closer.

Yeah.

You get an Irish bat, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like that.

That's who got that French bat drunk.

Hell yeah.

There's a supplier down there.

There's more to the Irish.

There's a supplier.

Of course, there is.

All right.

Should we do one more?

Yeah.

Would you rather light a final match?

It's your last one left and see a face just inches from yours

or see absolutely nothing but feel a cold hand grip yours and not let go?

I think because I'm such a horror movie aficionado that I'd want the visual.

Yeah.

One of the primary reasons I like to watch horror and horror shorts too, because horror shorts just get right into it.

Because I want the hairs on my arms to stand up.

And I think for the viewers at

Sorry.

Gary, where are you?

Gary.

I think to share Sherry the Gary, you know,

I want the face.

Yeah.

Because I imagine the face would go.

Oh, yeah.

And just blow the thing out.

You know, you light a match and you're like, I've only got one left and you just go, and it goes.

And that would be, oh, I love that.

I think that would be more terrifying because now I'm in the dark with this thing.

Yeah.

The gripping it to, I think, you know, life is about accumulating wonderful stories.

That's what life is really about is, you know, logging just wonderful moments of time.

And

I think being gripped on the hand would be something that's just mine and makes it tougher to share.

If Gary told me that, I'd be like,

yeah, right.

Yeah, right, Gary.

Yeah.

Someone's been in the mind too much.

Someone's drunking with the bats.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think, you know, life is about sharing.

So I think I'm taking the face.

What do you, what do you think?

I think I'm taking the face too, actually, because I also don't like being touched by people I don't know.

So if something gripped my hand, I'd be like, whoa.

Yeah.

What are you doing?

And that would make me uncomfortable.

I think you know you're about to get gripped when something blows out your candle.

But I can run at least.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right into it.

Hello.

That's good.

You could knock it down in that case.

Yeah.

let's throw some bows.

Just body it.

Yeah.

Just body that thing into a wall and out you go.

We've watched horror movies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know because I don't like holding hands.

Like they get clammy and stuff.

But this one's.

Okay, well, that rose my next thing.

Okay.

You're like fine.

I was going to be like, hold me.

Reach out.

It's virtual.

It works.

But also, I don't like close talkers.

Ooh.

And when I think of somebody that close to my face.

Plus that hot, steamy breath in your face, that's not going to be fun.

And like teeth with unknown origins, we're back there again.

I don't know this person.

I don't know their teeth.

Someone's got a little something they're not wanting to don't want to talk about.

A little teeth, baby, over there.

On my right.

This is not naming any names.

Not saying who it is.

Listen.

All right.

On my screen.

Listen.

This is a tough fucking choice.

I think I'm going hand.

I'll go hand just to be different.

Oh, that's so reactionary, just to be different.

like, I'm now I'm done.

I am leaving.

No, but again, I don't like close talkers.

Well, the thing is, you're probably like in these scenarios, I imagine like your imminent death is probably upon you in both of these scenarios.

Yeah.

So I'd rather have that like fun last moment of like, ooh, real life scary movie.

Like could be a ghost that thinks it's its birthday.

Maybe.

Like blowing out the candle.

You just go make a wish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You don't know.

Yeah.

You don't, you don't, you don't, you don't know.

You don't know.

know nobody knows nobody knows nobody does

oh josh this has been so much fun yeah this has been a blast please come back yeah oh yeah i'd love to come back oh we would love to have you i had so much fun this is killer yeah it's been so much fun is it is there anything that you want to plug before we let you go we know we have you have some cool stuff going on like your charity sweet stuff foundation oh

anything i was just about to say i i'm not i don't i I'm not interested in plugging anything.

People do it.

Do whatever you want.

But yeah, I have a charity called The Sweet Stuff.

We help a lot of musicians, families.

Everyone in the music world is self-employed, people that are sick and have illnesses.

And we help a lot of kids, families of musicians.

That's awesome.

And

it's very rewarding.

And so, yeah, sweetstuff.org.

Awesome.

Sweet.

We'll put it in our show notes.

Yeah, we'll link it.

Oh, yeah, That's that's something I would plug.

The rest, enjoy yourself.

I do stuff.

If you, if you want to find out, just go ahead.

I love that.

It's up to you.

Do what you want.

Again, choose your own adventure.

I like that.

Choose your own adventure when it comes to me and everything else.

Hell yeah.

Perfect.

All right, guys.

So thank you so much for listening.

We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it

Weird.

Wow, you went really long.

That's great.

We always do.

You gotta.

You never know when it's gonna end.

Talk about weird.

We'll just put our coward at the end of this.

All three of our cowards.

Yes.

Perfect.

Weird.

Coward.

Coward.

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