Dialing the Dead: A Séance with Sam & Colby

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Hey weirdos. I'm Elena.
I'm Ash. I'm Sam.
And I'm Colby. And this is a very special Morbid.

Let's go!

We have special guests Sam and Colby from you might know them from YouTube. Maybe.
Maybe.

Unless you're old, like me. And when I found their video for the first time, I was like, guys, you have to watch this YouTube channel.

They're so funny. Their names are Sam and Colby.
And our listeners were like, yeah. Alina, they've been around for like 100,000 years.
A hundred thousand years. They have a million, zillion followers.

And I was like, oh.

Well, thank you for having us. Good to be back.

Good to have you in our real podcast. Yeah.
Not that bank vault that we were in. That we were all sweating in.
That was last time.

This is a beautiful studio. Thank you.

we've really you know we've added to it we've made it a little more plush and cozy got the spooky vibes for some haunted october hell yeah stories oh yeah hell yeah what were we calling it because it's pre-october now oh i'm calling it proctober so we were saying proctober so we were saying goodie proctor yeah no one september it's proctor

we've pretended it that now yeah we know what we're doing around it's no longer september it's goodie proctor yep that's the end the tm don't question us no one really likes september it's just all about October.

Yeah, because everybody's just waiting for October. Exactly.
You're like, have the leaves changed yet? Like, come on.

Come on, let's pick some apples. Let's go.
Let's get to it. Yeah.
Are you an apple picker? I loved picking apples. Really? Wait, I love how that's like a classification.
Like, are you an apple picker?

I am.

Have you guys gone apple picking? Never. No,

shut up. Fuck up.
You're missing. Why did we not take you apple picking?

Okay, we're adding that to the itinerary next time we hang out. Yeah, yoga.
Let's do it. We have to do it.
You never picked an apple? I'm really happy.

That's like a New England thing we take for granted, I think. Yeah.
It's very

driving out here in New England. This is a whole different world.
You were in the forest. Like, it's crazy.
Yeah, I mean, you went to a Longhorn for the first time. You did.

And we collectively got that Longhorn.

True. True.

We were all in that Longhorn.

What?

We froze that.

We ate that Longhorn steakhouse, guys.

To clarify. It's a steak place.

Restaurant.

It's a very cowboy-themed.

It was a wild ride. It really was.
But yeah, we need to take you apple picking. It's an experience.

You get your apple cider donuts.

This is just getting me so excited for all the holidays. Oh, yeah.
Pumpkin patches. Hello.
Okay, so you do do pumpkin patches. We do pumpkin patches and we do an annual Halloween party.

Oh, I love you. We're so stoked.
Every single year. You guys are invited.

Oh, thank you. You guys want to go? We will fly out

We'll fly out. We'll go for a rager.
Iconic.

LA in October is insane. Really? There's like a hundred costume parties.

Oh, sure. People go all out.
I've never seen anything like it. It's the only social time of the year for LA for some reason.

Yeah, like everybody hides in their home all year, and then Halloween happens in all of October. It's a party after party.
And you can hide in a costume. Exactly.
That's everybody's chance.

We set up our costumes months in advance. Oh, that's already

set up. We have at least five.
It's like

really fun.

just like the one party, or do you do like a ton of dressing up?

I mean, there's a lot of other parties, but we do our annual Halloween party as like one big event at the end of October, which is a celebration of our end of like season.

Because for us, October is like our Super Bowl. Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Honestly, that makes sense. Yeah.
I would assume too. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

I know October now that I'm a mom has become like, because I'm obsessed with making my kids' costumes from scratch, no matter what they make.

I will not buy a costume. She makes sick costumes.
She has to awesome. I sew them on everything.
Yeah. I like learned how to sew for that.
What have you made before? Like, what's your favorite one?

So I made when they were little,

one of my twins wanted to be the moon. And I was like, cutest thing ever.
We'll show you pictures after.

She was like, I want to be the moon. And I think she was like.
two or three. And I was like, all right, how do I make this so it's not just like the moon?

And it was, I like made like a plushy moon that her face fit into.

So she was like the the crescent moon and then there was a bunch of like ribbons coming down from it. It was really cool.
I'm very proud of that one. What was your other?

What was the other galaxy? We've done. Oh, she was an owl.
An owl. Yeah, she was an owl.
That was a cute one. We're doing K-pop demon hunters this year, though.
Okay. That's huge.
Good idea.

I had to make a roomy costume, so now I'm making like spangly outfits.

There we go. Yeah.
We need you to make ours like this. I know.

Tell me what you want to be about in your doctor.

I have an entire like craft room downstairs that's just all like costume making things now at this point. Yeah.
That's sick. I love how serious you guys like take Halloween.

Oh, I take it so seriously. Yeah.
Yeah. From like birth, essentially.
And I know there's going to be a time where they're eventually going to be like, mom, I don't want you to make my costume anymore.

She's like, why? Yeah, you're going to soak it for me.

Like, what do you mean? I'm insulted. Come on.

But yeah. But yeah, next time you're coming apple picking, see that you can make an apple pie with fresh

popped off a tree. Apple picking.
Yeah. 100% that's awesome.
Then you guys come to the Halloween party.

Apple pick and then go to a rager. Yeah, so there we go.
Love it.

We show you ours and then we move. Exactly.
Our two different worlds collide. We swap Halloweens.
Yeah. There we go.
I love that.

Well, honestly, everybody probably knows who you are and probably knows your YouTube channel. You have like nearly 15 million subscribers.
Am I correct? Something like that. Yeah, getting close.

That's absolutely insane. That's wild.
That's wild. How many years have you been at it?

We started our YouTube channel in 2014, I believe. So 11 years.

Wow. That's the year I graduated high school.
Holy shit. That's crazy that that's 11 years.
Yeah.

That's insane. Wow.
It's been a wild ride for sure. But we've been only doing like the haunted stuff for about five, six years.
Yeah. Oh, okay.
So what did you start off as?

So at first we were starting on Vine. We did a bunch of like comedy videos.
Bottom IP Vaught IP Vine. Exactly.
I loved Vine. It was amazing.
We did like public pranks like back in in the day.

Oh, yeah. I mean, run around on Walmart and like get on the intercoms and stuff.

That's fun.

What else are you going to do on Vine? Exactly. You only got six seconds.

Then we moved to like YouTube and we started doing like all of like the tags and like I don't know if you remember 2015 2016 YouTube where there's like like boyfriend girlfriend tags like question and answers things like that all over the internet all over YouTube we were doing like a lot of those types of videos but ultimately decided to like do what we loved which was going to abandon places fun we grew up in kansas City and on the weekends there was not much to do besides like go and exploring abandoned places with your friends.

And so we just decided to film that out in LA when we were trying to figure out exactly what we wanted to like genuinely do.

And then that naturally led us into haunted.

Makes sense. It feels right.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
It feels like you were made to do this. It really does.
Exactly. And you guys have an escape room now? We do.

Yeah, it just opened up on Hollywood Boulevard, which is insane. That's sadass.
It's wild to like think about. That's crazy.

I remember visiting Los Angeles in 2014, like six months after we started being, dang, one day like we got to move here.

And like walking around Hollywood Boulevard being like dang, this would be so cool. And now we have an escape room.
Now you have a lot of Hollywood Boulevard. And it's like, it's crazy.

It's a big full circle moment. Yeah, for sure.
Seriously. I love an escape room.
I know. How did that idea come about?

So we had been there in the past. We actually got invited by Hot Topic to do a photo shoot there.
That's amazing. I love that.
It's at a venue or like a spot called the Escape Hotel.

And so it's like a just a giant like, yeah, venue. It has like a stage and everything.
There's people that perform.

It's like a bar on top and stuff. And it has a super like creepy, ambient vibe to it.
And so like when we went there to shoot, we met like the managers and then our management got in.

contact with theirs and we came up with the idea and it took took a little bit of time but we um we finally got it like this past like six months and it's been amazing that's so cool we've been really interested in trying to get like in person with a lot of these types of events because I think a big part of why people watch our videos is they feel like they are coming on these adventures with us.

Yeah. And so we're like, okay, well, like, how can we actually give people some sort of adventure, some sort of like story? So between the escape room and like the year before we opened up a

haunted venue or we bought a haunted venue called Ferrar School in Iowa.

And like, so we're just trying to like over the course of time, just like get people in person and like, how do you actually give this experience to

and it's been really an interesting ride yeah sure yeah it sounds like such a cool idea that's such a perfect way to connect with your audience too because it's like a perfect combo of everything yeah because i feel like even people who are like a little hesitant to do like haunted things and are scared i feel like an escape room is like a safe way you still have like i love escape room i don't know why

it's so good i haven't done one since like middle school but i want to go to oh you just did one we do them so much because i'm so competitive with them yeah

i always want to pick like the hardest level when they give you like the levels that you can do like hardest. Let's see.
Yeah, I would end up getting locked in there for days. Yeah.

Obviously, they end, but if they didn't, you can imagine like our escape room is like, you have to escape. Like, you would like literally,

okay? Or you stay forever. That's the next step.
Speaking of, you guys should like come out. You should try ours anytime.
So let us know. And we made it extremely hard for a reason.
Oh, hell yeah.

And so there's, do you know the percent like success rate? I forgot. 30%.
30%.

Mike, he's like, I know. I love that.
Let's go. That makes me want to do it more.
The lower the success rate, the more I'm like, I'm going to get out of there.

I'll go with you and I'll get it by association on Facebook. We've put out a challenge that the fastest time to complete it with no clues by Halloween gets to be a part of the escape room.
Oh, shit.

Putting their faces in.

Oh, no.

My face is going to be in there. You'll have to now.

Not put the challenge out there. It's just me.
Zero clues here I am.

Yeah. Oh, I love it.
We did one in New York once, John and I, and it was like a, it was actually like an old hotel kind of theme. And we didn't make it out.
And I think about it to this day.

I'm so angry.

You're bitter about it still. Are you blaming, John? I feel like it's your fault.
I'm like, you were too slow on that one puzzle. It was your fault.

Every morning, like, I remember it. Remember that about it?

I'll never forget. Never forget.
I love it. Oh, so cool, though.
So going back, you purchased an elementary school in Iowa, Farrar, Iowa, and you lived in it for like a a week? We did.

Yeah, that was our way to announce it to the world. It's like we bought it.

We realized there was a lot of renovations needed because one of the biggest reasons that we bought the place is because it was about to be demolished.

Like there was threatening of demolition because it was kind of breaking down. It was a really old building, over 100 years old.

And so we had to repair it.

And then we're like, okay, well, we want to open this up for investigations because like our, you know, again, one of our big goals is to give these people like the experience of investigating themselves.

And so we're like, okay, how do we want to announce this to the world? Well, let's just do the craziest investigation can and lock ourselves in our own school. I cannot leave for an entire week.

That's wild.

It was wild. Yeah.
And it's pretty interesting there because there's a lot of different spirits. There's a bunch of like children's spirits who are students, like one, yeah, back in the day.

But there's also like a principal sort of like figure who owns the school. He's a nice guy, but he's also very strict.

Principals. Exactly.
So you gotta respect him.

exactly but then in um the gym there's a boiler room to like the left side of it and that has something very very dark in there and we believe that there's like a portal oh shit

that we weren't able to to close but um yeah something's definitely dark as well oh damn that's like freight krueger energy yeah and the boiler room like over the you know

perks of owning a spot now we get to see all of the other investigations that are happening there and like right to them and there's like we have security cameras over there that capture all these things.

We can capture so many, like, really interesting paranormal evidence.

And we have been seeing over the course of the last year that even since we've left, especially in this boiler room, like the energy's gotten darker and darker.

And people have been sprinting out of the school, like getting threatened all the time. And we're like, God dang, it's like worse than when we came.

God dang, it's insane. What is in there? Yeah, it's pretty wild, but it's been really interesting because

unlike, you know, most of the places that we get to go to or just like for a couple hours at night or maybe an overnight stay like being able to not only go there for the week but then continually see everybody and then being able to go back whenever we want it's just like a much different experience yeah

so it's like an ongoing investigation exactly we're always used to just like going in for one night like you guys experienced and then just filming it and then that's it but like having like a 24-7 like camera system yeah like we're able to like actually conduct research and like when nobody's there if like a door opens like we can see that stuff and so cool we're definitely going to be talking about like that sort of security fan cam footage like in the future

but like those security cameras has like literally caught some crazy stuff like we've seen full-on shadow figures we've seen like footsteps you know almost like i don't think you guys seen harry potter yeah like that map that sees people like walk yeah like literally things like that like walls moving out of nowhere where no one's in the room and it's like oh okay like owning a haunted building you see some wacky stuff like this is a great idea it's super cool Last story, like our buddy exploring with Josh, he was filming a video there, so it's on his channel.

But

there's an intercom that goes like around the entire building.

The principal obviously uses to talk to all the students, and it's only like able to be like turned on in the principal's office downstairs.

And they were all the way upstairs, and just you could hear it turn on the entire school. Oh, and so it's there's some stuff going on there.

And, like, did anybody say anything, or was it just like the click on? No voices, it just clicked on and had that kind of like loud.

yeah uh-huh oh what the

that's so scary i would hate that a lot messed up there for sure that's so cool though it reminds me of like i don't know if you guys have seen hell house llc i haven't seen it

i love it okay movies it's a found footage movie but it's like an amazing one it's fun like very good and they have to stay in like they're like coming up with a haunted house for halloween but they like buy an old haunted location and they stay in it for a week that just made me think of it it turned out differently so i'm glad yeah what

it went better for you guys. Definitely watch that.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, we'll check that out. That's really good.
Because as soon as you said you stayed there for a week, I was like, you survived.

That's great. Yeah.
Thank God. You guys have

survived a bunch of ghost hunting now. We didn't realize since our last podcast has been ghost hunting more and more often.
Yeah. We got inspired from our USS Salem trip.
We had so much fun. Let's go.

We were like fun. We were like, as soon as we left that, we were like, when can we do this again? Yeah.
This was so fun. What was the first thing we did after that? Is that probably Lizzie Borden?

Again, right? Because we had already gone before. Yeah.
So we went back there and stayed for night spot. Yeah, we've done a few.
Talk about true crime right there. That's crazy.
Yeah.

That's one of the biggest. I still want to know what happened there.
It's just so heavy when you walk in there, like immediately. You can feel it.

Yeah.

Yeah. That was one of the darkest places.
Yeah. Yeah.
Especially the stepmother's room. Yeah.
She was killed. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. That's a gnarly room.

That room and then like the kids' room where all the toys are. That room freaks me to fuck out.

You're talking about like the attic. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So creepy. Yeah, there's something weird in there for sure.
Wait, so with all the places you guys have gotten to, do you ever feel like anything follows you or comes with you?

Because you've been to a ton of locations. That's a yes.
I'm like, did you bring something into our office? We're like, oh, you guys are screaming.

So sorry, guys. We're just going to leave you with a friend.
Exactly.

Leave you with a little friend, you know?

A lot of people say that.

It's actually really creepy that sometimes we'll walk up to a place and like someone be like hey i'm a psychic and you have something attached to you oh and i'm like yes oh i don't like that i don't like that a lot one time too where it wasn't even like i think she claimed to be a psychic but do you remember the story we haven't talked about this in so long where we went to like a ralph's one time in la and there was like a random worker there that was just like hey i'm I'm a fan.

Like, I've been watching your channel. And like, you have to tell Sam that something's following him.
I see it. Like, I saw it in the store.
And, like, it was like to our faces. And we were like,

all right. like, thanks, thanks for the bananas.

Like, Libra.

Damn. Yeah, I remember an old guy

in a parking lot stopping me and being like, you're not going to be okay. Oh, my God.

I was like, yo, do not tell me that. Like, God, just out of nowhere.

And that's it. Like, period.
You're not going to be okay.

Why? And he's like, no, you need to get cleansed. And I'm like, oh, God.
Have you guys been cleansed before?

We do that a lot more now. Yeah, I bet.

We're taking a lot more precautions and like making sure we're a lot more safe with our investigations that we do. It's so scary.

But definitely, to answer your question, there's been a lot of people saying things have followed us. There's been a longer window in parking lots and grocery stores.
I don't understand. Holy shit.

Sam. And definitely, we have a spot in Vegas.
We stay there most of the time.

That house is definitely haunted for sure. We'll see.
Your spot in Vegas, you said? Yeah, our spot in Vegas. It's like our main residence, but we'll see

like shadows going underneath like the door and stuff like that. So like sometimes I'll think like Sam's like walking like by my door and I'm like, oh, like he needs to ask you a question or whatever.

Like, why not just knock? Open it up. Nobody there.

You hear noises all the time. Oh, damn.
There was one time like we were all like playing a game with some like friends and

there was like a, how do I describe it? Like a, somebody like hit our blind like shade or whatever. You know, the ones that you can like pull down.
Like

it's not like the shades like this. It's like the

horizontal ones or whatever. We have that pulled down or whatever, and then just like somebody like punched it.
Yeah, randomly imagine like this.

The shade has been completely still for like an hour while we're playing this game, and then boom, it's like it got punched. Oh, impacted crazy.

It's like, whoa, we all just turned around, like, what just happened? And, like, not like somebody punched it, like, you're punching at the window, but like, it's coming this way, if that makes sense.

Oh, like, through the window, yeah. Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah. So, it was not like a concave, it was like a convex.
Okay,

Okay.

You know, like geometry and stuff.

This is perfect. Wow.
That's terrifying. Yeah.
Did you need to get a new shade? Well, no, but God.

Shades are expensive. Exactly.
Damn. Yeah.
Wow. Holy shit.
We've had some like weird things happen in this room. The other day, in fact,

we were filming, not filming, we were recording like a culture dressed episode.

And in the middle of it, we just have a calendar over there that like never goes off. And it will like if we complete a task, but we had not completed a task out there.

So in the middle of telling the story, it just made this like

musical sound. Yeah, it was like a lullaby sound.

I usually sit where you're sitting, Sam. I almost went through that.

I was like, oh my gosh.

Yeah. I went over there and nothing was on the screen.
It hadn't like given a notification. It just was like this creepy lullaby sound.
And we were like, it was so loud. It was like,

yeah.

Yeah, yeah, we've had weird shit happen. I'm trying to think of other weird instances in here.
The TV, it won't now, but the TV very slowly fell. Yeah, you thought that was hilarious.

Fell on Ash's head in the middle of the club. The TV is like attached to the wall.
Like it's like it will fully on you.

And it literally, I, again, I sit where you're sitting and it just crashed onto my head.

Nobody moved. It was like slow motion.
There wasn't a bang. It just literally was like,

attempted murder question mark. And you were like, lol.

I could not stop laughing. You said it was the noise I made.
It was, yeah. But we've had little things.

I mean, this house says a few things because my youngest, I don't know if, I don't think I've told you, have I told you guys about Skeletone?

I don't think so. It's like an honorary.

Yeah, I feel like so. Our listeners are going to be like, Jesus Christ, we're going to hear about Skeletone again.
No, you'll never stop hearing.

Okay. My youngest, when she was three, I would say.
Maybe even older. Maybe two or three.

She would come in and tell us that she saw something in her room which we were like oh great here we are and we were like who is it and she was like his name is skeleton but she would say it like that like not skeleton like skeleton like oh skeleton like his name is skeleton and i was like skeleton okay and i'm like what is he and she was like he's a skeleton and i was like oh and she's like and he sits on my bookshelf oh god and watches me and i said okay i was like is he mean and she was like no he's not He's a nice guy.

He's a nice guy. That's what she said.
That was like great. And she said, his bones look old.
And I was like, how do you know that? Because, like, you're two or three.

And she said, they're like, they're like brown and dark. How does she know that? And that's, I was like, why would you know that? Like, she didn't even know what real bones look like.
She's wild.

Oh, my God. She's the one we were telling you about.
That was

my worst nightmare. And she, and I asked her, I was like, so she, he sits on your bookshelf? Like, how does he sit? And she was like, oh.
She said, he lays like this. Oh, God.

Which I was like, oh,

it was kind of like

Skeleton. What are you doing? What are you watching?

What are you doing? Just like, but he's gone now. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. He would leave every once in a while.
And I was like, oh, he leaves and comes back. I was like, he comes back though.

And she goes, yeah, he leaves sometimes to go visit his family.

His family? His family. He was a family.

And one day he left to see his family and didn't come back. Oh, like, stay with your dad.

Found your family. Even scarier, because who showed up then? Yeah.
So we got rid of Skelton. And she was excited.
She was kind of, she was like, miss. She was like a little bummed.

She was like, oh, Skeleton didn't come back. And I was like, all right.
That's fine. And then one day

in the middle of hide and seek. Yeah.
My husband and her were playing hide and seek and they were like hiding under a blanket together. And she was like, oh, I hope the mister doesn't see us.

And he was like, what? And he was like, what? And she was like, the mister. And he was like, you have to explain to me what the mister is.
Well, and she, he said, like, oh, no, he won't find us.

Yeah, yeah

because he she explained like he's a guy with no eyes oh god sometimes he takes the snacks in our pantry apparently which i think is looking which i think is just her and that's all yeah she's just like

but she said like he's a little scary she doesn't like him and so john was like oh he won't find us like trying to like maintain composure and she goes oh no the mister will always find us oh and he was like all right game over my

ever heard in my life

Horrifying.

Yeah. The mystery will always find him.
And she doesn't talk about him anymore.

Yeah, but if you bring him up, she's like, oh, yeah, I remember him. Yeah.
Like, she remembers him. Oh, my God.
Yeah. And Skeleton.

Yeah. We have a history of creepy children in this family.

Yeah. I was a creepy child.
You were a creepy child. Were you a creepy child? I don't think I was.
No, actually, yeah, you were because you used to just like sway and talk about flags.

Oh, I used to talk to you.

I just sleep. I was a sleepwalker.
But you were a creepy sleepwalker. I mean, all sleepwalkers, I feel like, are pretty creepy.
Yeah. That is very true.
Yeah. Seeing nobody.

Yeah. 4 a.m.

Yeah. Yeah.
No, thank you. Yeah.
I used to see a ton of ghosts when I was little. Yeah, you did.

I saw, I used to live at Elena's parents' house because we're like aunt and niece technically, but really like sisters.

And that house is haunted as fuck. Yeah.
It's like an old farmhouse. I think it's like 100 years old.
Oh. Like an old farm.
Maybe a little more.

Yeah. Yeah.

And I would see like, I saw like a little boy one time, like a farm boy with like a cap and like you know like those like old timey pants and then the socks would be like up i saw him like in the corner of our shared room just like reading a book and i like woke my mom so little when she said this i think i was like five probably and uh i still can see it in my head whoa i woke my mom up and i was like the boy is like reading like there's a boy in here he's reading your book and she was like no no no no like go back to sleep and she woke up and her book was wedged in the closet and she had not left it there

No way. And I like hadn't gotten out of bed or anything.
Like, geez. But it was non-threatening.
It was just kind of like an apparition.

He was just chilling. Yeah.
Okay. He was just reading that.
I was probably like, what the hell is this? Yeah. It's crazy.
He probably saw you too and has like a story to tell his ghost friends. Yeah.

I saw a girl there. That's crazy.
Like this girl saw me.

She was telling her mom. Her mom didn't believe her.
Yeah. What do you think about that? Like, I feel like when we're kids, we are so much more open to seeing spirits and other things like that.

I don't know. Definitely.
Obviously, every kid has had their imaginary friend, but I don't know. A lot of me thinks that sometimes they aren't imaginary friends.

We're just more open to it with the kids. And then, you know, because you're not scared yet, I think.

And you're open to everything. Yeah.
Like kids have no biases. No, like...
Society hasn't told you what you have to

believe and stuff like that.

So I think they're just totally open. Did you guys see shit when you were kids? More so.

Not as vivid, I think, as those types of things. But I used to,

especially,

fifth grade and below, I'd get like deja vu like once a week. It was super

like to the point where I was like

predicting things that were about to happen. Oh, I was like, I've seen this thing.
She's about to say this. Okay, yeah.
And then she just said this. It was like super fucking weird.

Happened all the time when I was a kid. That's interesting.
But now like less. I don't know.
It's weird. Yeah.
But now I don't see much. Yeah.

I only had one really haunted, kind of scary experience when I was like super young. I think I was in sixth grade, so what, 11, 12? Yeah.
Something like that.

And I was really really getting into like Christianity for like the first time in my life. And I was, this was during a time in my life where I was like going to like a Bible like camp.

And I was also like, during the weekdays, like I would have like a Bible study on a Wednesday and then go to church on Sunday. So I was like really just involved with it.

And it's, it's hard to explain, but like I had a loft bed, right? So like. It was one of those where you had to like climb a ladder to get on top.
There's like a desk underneath.

And it happened like three nights, like in a matter of like a week or two or something like that.

But right before I was about to fall asleep, like right before I was like losing consciousness, I just heard like a

like in my like right in my ear and it like woke me up. And then I would try to go back to sleep and then like right in my ear,

like to the point where like I knew I wasn't like dreaming. I wasn't like going crazy.
I ran to my mom's room. I told her the story.
And that happened again like two other nights in like a

month, maybe. I don't know.
At that point. Like you just said like 11 or something.
11 11 or 12, yeah, something like that.

And yeah, I still to this day don't know what it was, but like part of me, part of me believes that, like, because I was getting into Christianity and stuff like that, like it was something trying to scare me or like, I don't know.

I have no idea. Maybe, but I've told that story like once, once before.
Oh, that's so creepy. Yeah, I don't know what it was.
I want to know what to do to this day.

And it's never happened to me for the rest of

the day of my life. Yeah.
And it was just like a couple nights that it happened. Yeah, it was, again, this was so long ago, so I'm not going to lie.
I I don't know.

I think it was like it happened like two or three nights, and then like it would happen like three times. I mean, that's significant, I would say.

To the point where, again, I went and woke up my mom at 12 years old. Yeah, no, exactly in middle school.
Like, obviously, you don't want to do that.

I'm like, hey, mom, like, there's something breathing in my ear before I fall asleep. That's so scary.
And it was so bad that I had to wear headphones.

Oh, yeah, to go to sleep because I was afraid of something like breathing in my ear. I would have anxiety.
I couldn't. Would you like to feel it too? Like, hear it and feel it or just hear it?

It would just be like a loud breath. No, no feeling.
Yeah. Damn.
And that's it, too. No words.
It was just kind of like a,

like, wake up.

That's so annoying. I really hate that because I was like shitting himself and being like, I don't like that.

Jerry. No, that's terrifying.
And it's the worst when you're a parent of a child who does that because you have to like keep your shit together. That's something I'm not

going to traumatize them by being like, that's fucking terrifying. Like, are you serious? Like, when they first told me about when, oh, when the twins, yeah, I didn't even think of that.
My

older ones, they haven't really had a lot of things, but they had one. They just knocked it out of the plate.

Yeah, they had the homebook with the one thing they had. And it was in the our we had, we lived in a house that was from like 1860.
So it was like crazy old. We always felt some stuff there.

It had like a lot of hints. That place was scary.
I used to sleep on the couch in the living room when I would come over and I would like hear shit in the dining room.

There was a lot going on in that house. And they happened to be in their like first like bed beds, like toddler beds.
So they weren't in like cribs anymore. And they were like next to the door.

And they just started yelling one night. And John and I run up the stairs because we're like, what happened? We thought one of them like fell out of bed or something.

And they're both sitting there, like up in bed. And one of them says, please get them to leave.
And we were like,

what? Like, what are you talking about? And she was like, people came in here with scissors and we're trying to cut our sheets. Oh, my God.

What? John literally.

I love John's reaction.

We're standing in the doorway and John just goes, I'm out. Like he was like, sorry.
He was like, this one's going to be okay on this one. Cause he was like, I'm going to fuck this up.
Yeah. I can't.

So I was like, what? Okay. And I'm like,

what? And I'm like, is it a lot of people? And they're like, yeah, a lot of people came in and we're trying, a couple of them were trying to cut our shit.

And they're like, I burned my house down personally. And I was like, well, we'll start fresh somewhere else.
I was like, okay. And so I'm like, the doorway was right like next to their bed.

And then there's this little like nook right here where the attic was It's like a door to the attic. It was a very like spooky little area.
So I was like, yeah, I would be scared too.

So I stood in the doorway and I was like, are they in the room right now? And she was like, no. And I was like, where are they? And she goes, right there.

And she pointed behind me in the little dark ass hallway. Oh, my God.
So I was like,

okay. And so I didn't know what to do.
You're like, she stepped backwards into the nook. And I was like, so they're like around me right now.
And she was like, yes, they're right. And I was like,

I was like, okay.

and I was like listen guys and I just like talked to them and was like you're scaring them like they're kids this is their house that's not cool to do like you can't scare them like you can and I was like and you even if you want to come in our room and fuck with us you can but like you can't be in this room this is not okay and like please leave that's horrifying and it never happened again like I mean you set your boundary I do feel like experience somewhat listen to intentions you know or like boundaries we had to sleep in their room that night but it never happened again

like no we've been told that like um even if you can experience really scary things like that um spirits do have to listen to you you can demand them like we always say like do not follow us home you cannot touch me that even happened to us like the other other night yeah we can get into but um yeah like if you if you tell them like firmly they have to listen yeah yeah i believe it you have the power over them wait on a scale of like one to ten how much do you guys believe in the ghosts and the paranormal stuff oh like 350.

really i'm a full believer. Okay.

I just don't think, I think there's way too much evidence that there's some kind of afterlife and that even if, even if spirits, like quote unquote, aren't actual people, I think energy goes somewhere.

You know what I mean? Energy doesn't die. Yeah.

It's a fact. I think I'm like a I'm like a seven or eight now.
Okay.

Okay. There we go.

When your kids are saying these types of things, like were you not like just getting bricks?

Yeah, I think when they were saying these, like when that, when the scissors one happened, I was probably like a four or five. Okay.

That's why I felt a little more comfortable being like, hey, don't, don't be in this room, assholes.

It is so crazy to me that we grew up in the same haunted asshole and that you are not more of a believer. I know, because I just want to like explain it.
I think it's just energy.

I think that's how you explain it. Yeah, I think that's why I'm getting more like.
What were mainly the things that brought you from a four to a seven?

I think now that we've gone through some of these, like I had never really done it that much.

So I didn't, I had like things going on in my own house, but I could kind of explain in them away in some way. Yeah.
Or just in my brain explain them away. I was like, it's fine that that happened.

But these kind of things, like even like getting touched by something, I think when we went to the USS Salem, something like blew in my ear. Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And I fully felt it, like fully felt it and did not expect to feel it. So it like scared the shit.
I think I jumped like 40 feet.

Like definitely.

that was terrifying i think those kind of things i just can't

how do you explain that you know and feelings now like going into certain like lizzie board and going into that house that's like this feels different right we've both been told before and i think you were recently told again like that we're intuitive yeah you know so i do think you're start i think you're more open to it now so you're starting to feel it more when we go to these different places yeah i think before i was like no yeah no i don't you're like locked off a little bit yeah which kind of goes like full circle to like the kids and stuff like experiencing this because it's like, yeah, you're just more open in general.

I think like spirits or the energies, whatever you want to call it out there can like tell if you're like closed-minded. And there's actually a term of it called like a blockhead where you just

blocking believe it. So they don't infiltrate.
Yeah. So they're like, oh, this guy's not going to believe.
But if you are open to it, that's when stuff starts happening. That makes sense.

That makes a lot of sense, actually. Because I try when we go into these places to be as like open-minded as possible.
Because I'm like, well, if I'm going to experience it, I should experience it.

Yeah. Don't try to be like the asshole who's like, I'm not going to believe in you.

I'm not going to try to debunk everything.

That's what we tell all of our guests that when we walk in, it's like, hey, like, if we notice them being like kind of like a blockhead, it's like, well, you're not going to get anything if you're literally going out to deny it.

You know, when we first started ghost hunting, we both like really didn't believe in the paranormal side of it much.

And we didn't get much, you know, but then when we really were out there, like, okay, well, you know, put the cameras off. Let's actually try to get something to happen just purely out of interest.

Yeah. That's when we started getting stuff happening.
Yeah. So I was like, that's always the best way to go about it when ghost hunting and all these different things.
Be open-minded.

Like, let things happen. Makes sense.
That's the thing. When you just let it happen.
it happens. It sure does.
Yeah. Yeah.

Like when we were at Lizzie Borden, and we'll get into our little game in a second. But when we went to Lizzie Borden, we were all sitting, we were with Corinne and Sabrina from Two Girls, One Ghost.

And we were sitting in the kitchen or like the dining room. That's where we were.
Yeah, the dining room. And we were all just reading from like the guest book where people have put their experiences.

And I think Sabrina was reading them out loud. And like, just, she was like, let's just see what happens if I read these things out loud and see if anything happens.

From upstairs, we were alone in the house. We had booked the whole house just for the four of us.
From upstairs, a woman's voice yelled something so clearly. It was like, who's there, wasn't it?

It yelled like, who's there? And it was a woman's voice. And you can hear it on the camera.
Because we had like a camera just sitting on the.

I literally got jokes just thinking about it because you can see us on the camera all of us just like what was that and we we searched nothing was up there no one was up there you were so scared to the point where like Elena thought somebody broke into the house yeah I was like is there somebody in here that is terrifying that's what I was more scared of I was like is there like a real person in here way more afraid of real people definitely it was so clear though and we weren't really trying to do anything we were just reading the experiences and just sitting there and I was like that was the clearest thing we had heard all night it it was gnarly it was horrifying it was so scary were you guys filming too yeah yeah i think we have that on camera we do somewhere yeah okay so cool i was eating starburst so i didn't hear it

me and corando were like did everyone hear that yeah yeah yeah it was terrifying but on the on the thing like the recording back you couldn't hear it fully until you heard it yeah

you just can't make out what she's saying yeah but you can hear like a voice in the distance it was terrifying horrifying yeah yeah

it's the noises when they're like outside like even like when we were doing it and the noises that were happening like in the distance. Yeah.
Those are the things that freaking me up.

And you guys still get scared. Oh, yeah.
Which is like surprising in a way. Yeah.

There's some things that we're like, okay, like we've heard these types of things before, but there's always stuff that's new. Yeah.
It's always like, you know. Like jarring.
Horrifying. Yeah.

It's the story that really freaks me out. So even though we've been doing it for years, like some would think that we'd get used to it, but it's not the case.

Cause like we'll spend like a week beforehand like researching it studying it watching youtube videos all that and so like we're kind of prepping ourselves to like go and so when we walk in we're like oh man we've already like learned so much about this place and that's what like makes it freaky that makes a lot of sense yeah because you're just so familiar with like every facet of the house you know everything about the story and so like when you've heard that there's for example like a door slamming or something like that and then that happens to you it just ultimately makes it 10 times more sensible yeah for sure and you're like what's coming

when it's outside the room, I'm like, is it coming here?

And what are we going to do?

How do I fight this? Exactly.

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Of all the places you've gone to, do you have a favorite?

Like in terms of like most scary? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just like one that I would say most scary or that you like had the most crazy experiences at.

Oh, that's really interesting.

I mean, one, like, personally, the thing that scares me the absolute most

is an upcoming video that we have. It's, we went to the Paris Catacombs.
Oh, stop it. It's 200 miles of the largest graveyard in the world.
6 million dead bodies buried underneath Paris.

And it's just miles and miles of a labyrinth of different caves, systems, and everything like that. And there's no map.

You can get lost so easily in that. So easily.
We know so many people that got lost.

Got threatened to be robbed. There's gangs down there.
People die down there. It's really rough in terms of just like the physical danger.

And then you got to think, it might be one of the most haunted places in the world with 6 million dead bodies down there. For sure.
All the ritualistic stuff that's gone down there.

It's really, really dark things. But

we've known about that for a long time. And I've pushed off that video for, I think, five years now.

I was like, I cannot do it this year. I cannot do it this year.
I cannot do it this year. I was like, I need to muster up some more courage.
And we finally went for this year's like Hell Week series.

And like, it was genuinely terrifying.

Like, literally walking around next to hundreds of bones that, you know, used to be people and like just like like us and it's just really eerie feelings and not only that like our investigations were like absolutely horrifying oh my gosh we got little crazy we like tried to record evps um basically just sound recordings you play it back and sometimes there's you know recordings of things that you can't hear with a human ear and there was literal guttural screams back at us like with and then sometimes like saying full sentences back to us and we're like what is going on here like i've never heard anything like it It was genuinely terrifying.

And like, that place didn't just have paranormal danger, but obviously it was like illegal to go down there.

And then there's these people that like live down there called cataphiles. And they'll like steal your map and your flashlight.
Yes. I am so obsessed with that idea.

Did you come into contact with anybody? We ran into one. Shut up.

What's really scary is

we went down there with a couple buddies and they were like, we're not going to tell you certain things that we know about this place until afterwards, just for the sake of your mind oh my god creepy so we leave and he goes okay well I didn't want to say this but I know a guy who recently went down there and got his

backpack his food his water everything stolen from him

and like he got left deep in the catacombs by a guide purely just like I just want to rob the guy and all he had was 10% left on his phone battery

and then one little flashlight and he was down there for hours and hours and hours, just waiting, aimlessly walking around before someone luckily found him and he made it out alive.

But like, he could have easily died.

Oh, yeah. No, it's just another random YouTube explorer that just went down there.
I'm like, I want to go film a video, just like we did. And his guide left him? Is that what you're saying?

Like, it wasn't.

The videos on YouTube.

Shout out Nightscape, I believe his name was. Yeah.
Oh, I have to see this. You have to watch it.
It's like

probably one of the scariest YouTube videos i've ever seen because it's so real yeah like he's by himself completely no food no water and he needed he was like uh from england so he didn't know like obviously like the first language

yeah so scary i would just sob i think i would just

sit down like i'd just sit down and cry and like if you're if your light goes out it is pitch pitch black oh yeah it's like i mean it's a kid not only are you in a labyrinth and you have no idea what's going on it's pitch black so you literally can't see anything.

And it's like a pitch black you can't conceive of. Oh, it's like we don't exist in that pitch black.
Uh-uh. You could have your finger right next to your eyeball and you could not see that.

Not even like sense it face and so that's horrible. Claustrophobia, then like wading through waters that go up to your chest and stuff that's freezing cold.
Did you guys have to wade through water?

Yeah. Wow.
So we were completely soaked. We had to like, it's so funny.
You basically like, in public in a busy street, like climb through a manhole. Yeah, and you're just like

everybody. It's like when we were like making our escape finally, we were like crawling out there like completely dirty, drenched, like soaked, and people were like looking at us like, oh my God.

They probably see it all the time. There's like people coming out of manholes like all fucked up.

Exactly. Yeah, that's not crazy.
Like an army crawl like on our hands and knees and stuff like that for probably a football field or more.

Like at certain times, just to get from one cave to the other. Was it like tight? Yeah.
Like you had to push. You essentially cave dove.
Yeah. Basically.
You had to push your backpacking.

Is that what's called

squunking? What's that movie? Um, The Descent, The Descent. Have you ever seen that?

Where they go, like, cave dive. Oh, you gotta watch it.
I don't like those movies.

So scary to me, they are so scary. There is a movie based on Paris Catacombs as of So Below.

You heard it on screen. Oh my god, it's

horrifying. I watched that on the plane going to

Paris Catacombs. Let's get to the moon.

I was like, I can save that for after.

i'm just like i want to be fully immersed

and you were i bet it was not petrochemical i was like no thank you i'm just gonna take a nap

and disassociate real quick the other favorite um

there's so many like cool spots that we've been to we've been all like around the world uh doing this stuff so there's like really cool locations like castles and stuff but in terms of like just one that comes to mind is have you guys been to villisca no talk about villisca i that is

yeah, that's like my bucket list. Initially, I said that I wouldn't go, but I think now that we're getting more into it, I would.
Yeah. I'm really, I'm dipping more into these things.

Like I agreed I'll do like a Ouija board now and stuff. Whoa.

That's exactly what's really. We covered Villisca.
Okay. Like the case.
So you know the story behind it.

I kid you not, like out of all the haunted places that we've been personally, that one.

Talking about feeling, when I walked in there, you can feel how evil and heavy it is because

it involved a lot of children and stuff. Like a lot of messed up things happened in that house.
And like, what was it, eight people? You guys remember?

Yeah, yeah. It's been a while since we covered it, but I think you're right.
Yeah.

And there's a burden. Still

like blood on the ceiling and stuff, right? Yeah, and the acts.

Yeah, because you use like the blunt side to the murder. So you can see like the chops in the ceiling.

And what's interesting, like what's what makes it scary is this like just in a random neighborhood.

So it looks like a just a normal little community, a tiny little neighborhood next to a a bunch of other houses, but then you walk in. It's like a different world.
Yeah. It feels so

dark. I feel like the energy in the house.
I want to go. You guys have to

try it. I know we have to.
All right. So.
Obviously, you guys have worked with like a lot of psychics and mediums throughout your endeavors.

So we wanted to tell you some of the most wild techniques that we found from throughout the years. Okay.
Okay. So just a couple of like interesting, like Victorian era seances.
Oh, nice. Yeah.
Yeah.

They used to do some weird stuff.

and they were like diabolical there was a couple that i'm like you guys are assholes really okay so we're talking about some like scam artist type of stuff yeah

fake time yeah so i'm gonna start with possibly the craziest one that we saw yes um the ectoplasm of it all so mediums in the early 1900s

the ectoplasm so mediums in the early 1900s said basically when ectoplasm started leaking that was the signal that they had tapped into the spirit world that's how you knew like shit was going down.

You know, yeah, damn, that happens to us all the time.

Always seeing it go forward.

Just all kinds of goo.

So it would sometimes include a gauzy substance leaking from all kinds of places on the medium: their ears, their mouth, their nose, their eyes,

and apparently sometimes even their genitalia.

Yeah. And I have a picture of that.
It's safer work, but kind of.

Oh, what?

wait oh that's a lot

yeah

damn

has that ever happened to you

experience that i had some goo coming out of my pants

almost it was that much too it was crazy almost that much

you're like damn the ghosts are here yeah please stop something is happening please stop it would not stop

So eventually, when this like really got popular, the term ectoplasm was coined. I don't know what the fuck they were calling it before.
Oh, God. Spirit good.
God only knows.

But yeah, that term was coined by French physiologist and psychical researcher Charles Rocher.

So as soon as the white viscous fluid started leaking from wherever it did, that's when you knew that the spirits were in town.

I guess what the medium said the purpose of the fluid was during the seances was that it would turn into like the face of a person trying to be contacted from the other side. Okay.

Yeah, it would. They'd see face in the goo.
They'd see faces in the goo.

And we'll get into it. They really investigated the goo.
Sometimes the goo would be like a limb. Like it would, it would look like an arm, like a disembodied arm.

Or sometimes it could be like a full body figure. Oh.

Of the goo. That is a lot of goo.

A lot of goo. I did not know this much ectoplasm existed.
I didn't either. Yeah.

So now the interesting thing about this, though, is that apparently the mediums would tell you this would only work in the dark.

The lights could not be on and you could not get close to them while this was happening.

Can't see. And if you turned on the light, they were like, oh, it's just going to disintegrate.
So like we got to keep it super dark up in here.

So Harry Houdini was a huge skeptic of this practice and he called out mediums and basically how they got to getting the ectoplasm to come out.

He said they were swallowing all kinds of things like cotton mixed with goose grease uh cloth gauze muslin and sometimes sheep's lungs what

they would like mix all this together like it makes me think of just like paper mache yeah but they would ingest it or they'd like stick it in their ears and they'd have like wires that they could pull like obviously without showing whoever they were reading and that's when it would start to flow.

I don't know about how they like how that picture came to be. Imagine being that committed to the bit.
Yeah. Like you are that committed to the scam.
Yeah.

That you're willing to swallow chiffon and cheap. Put it in places.
Yeah. Or put it in places.
Put it. Yeah.
And just allow it.

I'm not committed to that bit. No.

Yeah, because they would essentially just like make themselves sick in the cases where it came out of their mouth. They'd just like throw up sheep.

They're like to take it out. Yeah.
Oh.

So one of the mediums who was famous for this was Marth Barad.

She was also known as Eva C or Eva Carriere.

She was actually said to be the first person to introduce this practice. And sometimes she would even include like little pictures of people

so that when it started leaking out, people would look at the photos and be like, oh my God, that's my grandma.

Oh my God, that's my cousin Beth who died like seven years ago. What?

But she eventually got exposed when people realized that the photos were of celebrities from magazines and she would cut them out and like disguise them somehow. What?

Yeah.

Eventually somebody during a seance was like, wait a second, this is like a king from like another country. This is not my grandpa.
Whoa. And she got called out.

Wait, so you're saying they would like eat the paper and then like regurgitate it?

Yeah, so she would basically she used I guess sheep's lungs mixed with like other stuff like muslin and that kind of thing. And she would like crinkle up pictures into it.

So then when they would, you know, go through the goo, they would see the pictures. Oh.
Yeah.

Now was she someone who like like puked it out or did she like piss it out was she one of which so i think she was

yeah this isn't her here's another one so some people were puking oh god no i hate it yeah i think she did all kinds of things with erectoplasm i think she was one of the uh

these people oh she was

as well okay i think she it was just coming out of everyone

like somebody peeing out your grandma yeah that's insane

or what you think is your grandma and then you're like your friend's the king of of England,

it's a man, not my grandma, it's a man, yeah.

So, that was that was our girl, that's crazy, wow, Eva. So, that's ectoplasm.
Yeah, that is so funny.

We were doing this investigation in Australia out of prison, and then like we did this whole investigation.

Three o'clock in the morning, the owner walks in, he goes, You guys want to see something cool?

Like, all the siesta. For sure,

and he goes, If you don't tell anybody, I have ectoplasm. And I was like,

this is amazing. We're like,

huh?

I have never heard of someone having ectoplasm. He's like, I keep it in a jar.
Of course.

Holy shit. You're a jar of liquid, I have to see.
Like, we got to do this. We had a couple other buddies until 4 a.m.
Walk into this guy's like back office and he pulls out this jar of

clear looking weird goo liquid and it's in this like you know mason jar and he's like i've been keeping this for ages i was like where did you get this you're like i have a lot of follow-up questions

i'm like i i i don't know if i want to know but like also

what

i've never we've we've seen a lot of interesting characters but we've never had someone present their

ectoplasm in a jar and you know i keep this special just to show people did he say where he found it i said it was like he found the goo on some table yeah like after just like the seance stories, like after like a big like investigation, like there was just goo that appeared

and he just said, you know what, I'm like,

he got out his spatula and just got it into the jar. No, I, the vibe I get from him is just straight hair.

Yeah, he didn't even know.

Yeah, so you held it? Well, I tried, I like reached for it. The jar, though.
Yeah, and he was like,

you can't touch my goo. And I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry. You can look, but no touch.
Well, it was like, yes, sir.

Damn. How do you leave that conversation? We were like, thanks.

We're going to go do our last investigation. Yeah.
That was so bizarre. Wow.

It was exactly the color that you would imagine. Oh.

Yeah. To be.
At least he presented it in a jar and didn't

present it in a way.

He didn't just like look say no. Yeah.
Or just like leak it out of their nose or something. Exactly.

Yeah, that's wild. Holy shit.
Also, I'm like now hearing him say that in an Australian accent in my head. Oh, I didn't even think of that.
Yeah. You want to see my goo.
That was awesome.

Don't touch my goo. Please.

We're going to get roasted for our Australian accent.

Sorry.

I want to see Ecto. No, I don't.
Yeah. I changed my mind.
I kind of do hear about it. I just don't want to experience it happening, but I'd see that guy's jar of ectoplasm.
I'd look at that guy's gun.

I'd be like, please, let me see. Damn.
Well,

mine are not nearly as graphic, wild as that.

So I was just going to talk about spirit trumpets,

which just seemed to me like silly. They were like these little cone-shaped trumpet things.
They would be like cardboard or metal. And they used it.

It just made me think of those like cartoons where like they would put like a giant horn to their ear.

And they would put a horn to their ear and say that they were like hearing the spirits talk to them.

And then they would use the horn to like distort their voice and pretend that the spirit was speaking through them.

And sometimes they would levitate it with like wires and shit. And if it was an audience, they would have it levitate over to the person that was getting the message.

So they would just like and it would be like little kids sometimes under a table who were like just trolling at their night job. Yeah, just like you know, moonlighting their school job.

And they would just have it float over to the person that the message was for and like it would just come plop by your ear. That's pretty high tech.
That's pretty high tech.

I kind of want to see that. But it had to be dark so you can see like always.

Yeah. When you're scamming, it's dark.
Always.

Yeah. Always.
So there's that one that was just silly to me that I was like, I just pictured this little like trumpet floating through the air and it's like, you got a message.

And then one that was diabolically evil to me, and they did it a lot, was sometimes they would embed, they would like make the candles themselves and they would put the dis if they were doing a reading for like specific people, they would put the perfume or cologne of the person's loved one in the candle wax.

So when they burned the candle, they would smell the corona perfume and they would think that the person was there. That's a crime.
And I was like,

what? That's fucked up on another level. So messy.
Also, how do they know the person's perfume? That's the thing. I don't know if they would do like a.
There was only three back then.

You know, like, maybe that was it. Luck of the draw, I guess.
Yeah, they didn't have to worry about like the whole perfume center. Yeah, Sephora, I guess.

There was like Chanel to worry about, but some

oil.

You know,

just like a flower. That is pretty cool stuff.
Oh, my God. Can you imagine? And they'd like bring it up.
Like, they'd be like, oh, I smell something.

And the person would be like, that's my husband's cologne. Oh, that's.

They'd be like, well, he has to be here. And I'm like, you have to be the nastiest person.
Yeah. To go with that.
Yeah. I won't commit to the bit enough to piss out ectoplasm.

And I will not commit to that bit either. I'm glad that you're not willing to piss out ectoplasm.
No, that's a good quality. I will not.
I stand.

This is, I'm standing on business right now, and I will not do that. You told it in a jar, but but not the same.

Yeah, but I will not produce it. Yeah.
We were just talking about that, how like it is so like fucked up to like think there are people that

make money on telling you about your dead loved ones when they have absolutely no idea. Yeah, yeah, that is fucked.
Like Sylvia Brown.

Because it's like, how do you, how do you just go to sleep after that? Yeah.

You know, because you know you're lying. Yeah, exactly.

How do you live with yourself? Or do you think they get to the point where they think they're onto something? I think that happens to a lot of people. Yeah, definitely.

I think they might know that they're like deceiving potentially, but they're also like helping people out.

Like they probably justify it in their head by being like, oh, well, it's making them feel better to get these answers when in reality, they're just lying to you. Yeah, just muddying the water.
Yeah.

That's how they justify it. Yeah, I think that makes sense.
I've been getting...

I'm like on a Sylvia Brown kick right now. I've been getting them on my TikTok for some, I don't know where they came from.

i don't know how this happened now you're gonna get more because we're talking oh i already am i'm on like sylvia brown talk all of a sudden it's like people just started like search she was like this psychic from she used to be on all these talk shows like she was always on like montell williams or like sally jesse raffae so like you know those kind of daytime talk shows and she would go on there and she would like but she would help with like investigations and like tell or she wouldn't help with investigations she would give her input

and she would like talk to like family members of people who are missing or murdered and like give them information And there was a couple of times that she was so wildly wrong that it was like crazy.

Like one, there's a clip of her and it's one lady talking about her husband or her boyfriend or fiancé, I forgot which one. And she was like, he died and, you know, I just like, I need some closure.

I need to know where he is. We were never able to get his body.
And she doesn't tell her anything else. And Sylvia Brown looks at her and says, well, that's because he's in the water.

And she was like, and you know, she loves telling people that. Oh, yeah, she loves that.
She'll throw you in the the water no matter what. But she says, she's like, water, honey.

And so she's like, honey, he's in the water. And you can see the lady be like, that's not what.
And she goes, well, it was 9-11. And he was a firefighter on 9-11.
So, like, so how do you get

it? And you can see Sylvia Brown be like, she said, damn, I go to the water. I don't know.
He's in the water. Like, she just commits to it, but you can see it.
She's like, book.

Like, she's like, I fucked that up. But she just commits.
And you can see the lady's like, okay.

And just sits down. And I was like, you asshole.
Yeah, that's so bad. Like, that's messed up.
Throw that their loved ones in the water too. I'm like the worst kind of outcome.

She said that to another parent of a case that we covered. And wasn't the girl like still alive and being held captive? I think so.
She's done it a couple of times. Yeah.

Like once the water trick doesn't pan up for you one time, you think you'd move on.

Once you fail at it like that,

you need to retire the water. Like, don't, don't use that one again after you hear that.
Because when she said it was 9-11 when he died and he was a firefighter, I was like, What?

How do you fuck that up so bad? Sylvia, honey. Somebody, I'm telling you, go on Sylvia Brown TikTok.
I'm about to. You'll get all these awful clips.
That actually would be

so cool to just see a compilation of all the mediums just failing horribly, just like catching them in the act. And they're like, oh, God.
Yep. Because you can see it on there.

Like, you can see the panic set in for like a second, but she recovers so fast and just commits. Yeah, that's crazy.

It's so personal. That's like the thing.
Yeah. I would die.
Like, I would just start crying. I would never be able to do that.
I couldn't deceive someone like that.

No, naming names, but have you ever worked with a medium and been like, I don't know?

There's definitely a lot of like interesting characters. Yeah.
I mean, we've been doing this for years. That's the thing.

There's a lot of people that like, you're like, hmm, there's like no way that that can be correct. Yeah.
Yeah.

Yeah. So definitely a couple for sure.
But then on the flip side, have you had things be like, holy shit. Yeah.
1,000%. Yeah.
I I mean, you're experiencing

a group, but yeah, 1,000%. Yeah.
So it's like, yeah, I believe in some, and then I think some are scam artists. That's what I think.
That's pretty much what I think, too.

I do think people have that ability. Yeah.
Like, for screams, especially, I feel like. But I think there's a lot of people who are just kind of looking for the money.
Yeah.

I think I don't know, like, probably 90%.

Maybe 80, 85% are fake. Really? And then there's honestly, I believe that actually

because I think most people do it for the money. Yeah.

And And I think the people that are out there that are doing it genuinely to help people, and you can tell that they're either not taking it for the money or like it's not their main gig.

It's just like a side thing that they do. I think those people are a lot more believable.
Yeah.

Other people that are doing it for like research and stuff like that, I think that's much more believable. But like all the little mom and pop shops that are like psychic, 50% off today.

It's like, yeah,

I'm like, are you right? You're going to make ends meet, actually. Yeah.

So it's, it's much different. I've definitely been to psychics and had them tell me things.
And I've been like, what? Yeah, that's not accurate at all.

Yeah, yeah, but then on the flip side, I've been to psychics and they've like predicted things in my life that have happened, and I've been like, holy shit. Yeah, it's

been when we first started this, I was like, yeah, sure. Someone can tell the future.
But now I'm like, oh, wait, someone can probably tell the future.

What's going on here?

This is insane. Yeah.

But I heard someone describe it as like,

it's just another one of the human senses. And some people have more dormant than others.

Just just like some people have perfect pitch you know it's like very rare but humans can't have that and then it's like people do it it happens you know it's just one of these things that like you know a very select few people have that ability to see certain things or frequencies that others can't yeah and so with that logic i was like oh that kind of makes sense like the idea of something like a perfect pitch or like you know the people that are like the fastest people in the world or something i was like you they're people with superhuman type of talents And it isn't too far-fetched to believe that some talents can help you see things or hear things that are not necessarily accessible to everybody.

Yeah, definitely. Each medium too has like a different sort of skill that we've found.
It seems like. So like we've met some that are only able to see.
figures or people, whatever.

But then there's some that like can feel it. There's some that use like the Claromancy and stuff that use like the bone throwing.
Right. So cool.
Yeah.

Just a a lot of different techniques to contact or see the afterlife. It's interesting.
It is interesting.

I feel like the ones who do, like, and this is just me, when they do like a big audience of people,

those are the ones that I'm like, I don't buy it. I hate that.
I do not buy it. I don't have stage and stuff.
Yeah. I just can't buy it.
My girl, Teresa Caputo. I.

Oh, you believe her? She did a Long Island, right? She's Long Island medium. I don't know.

I do believe her.

I don't want to. It's on, you know, I believe her, period.
Yeah.

I believe her okay yeah i just love her i'm skeptical of those i've seen her show when i was like little i loved it so i'm i loved the show and i hope she's real i know i do too yeah it's just the audience the big audience ones i'm like it's hard when you see like shows of like mentalists or like illusionists that like you think whoa

How in the world did they know that?

It's just like, you know, a trick that they've done a hundred thousand times. Yeah, sleight of hand or that's the thing.
Some quick thing that we don't see.

And when you really break it down sometimes, when they do like the big audience things, when you break down how they get to the answer, it's like so clear how they get there that you're like, like in the moment, you don't think that.

Yeah. Like people give information and they don't realize they are.
That's very true. Yeah.
Yeah.

Really good at doing that.

Yeah. I love seeing the people who like won't give information though when the psychic is actually for real and they're like

basically nothing. Yeah.
Yeah. You are one of those people.
I always go whenever we go to a psychic or any tarot card, I'd give nothing. She's literally like, I'll just sit there and

see. I take my rings off.
I won't even show that I'm there. I'm like, nothing.
They're like, does that make sense? And she's like, hmm. I'm like, maybe.

I don't know.

I'm like, you tell me.

I don't know. Keep going.
You know better than I do. Meanwhile, I'm like, yes.
And when my husband said,

my dog from four years ago,

we lived here.

I start crying. I'm like, that's so, yeah.

She's like, I'm on to something.

Oh, great. So we're going to, we'll move on to, we'll do a little game.
Hell yeah. We'll play games with guests.
We love games. We'd love to do a would you rather.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah.

We're going to start off with that. So are you guys participating or is it just us?

We always participate. Yeah.
Okay, cool, cool. Yeah.
All right. So would you rather let a Ouija board spirit possess your right hand for 24 hours? Or you both look.

Wait a second. That's so specific.
Yeah, that is. Or would you rather let Zach Bagans narrate narrate a few months of your life in a dramatic voiceover? Oh, that's a dream come true.

Yeah, that would be a TV narration. We love Zach Bagans.
He is the king of paranormal.

If he was like, now you're going to go downstairs and eat some cereal, I would actually

be so happy. He can make a litter in like a puppy terrifying, you know? So it's actually so true.
His narration is...

His narrations are like top tier. They are because they're crazy.
They're intense. It would be like a slow narration, I'd feel like he's just like, now we're going to the car.
Nerf, come on.

You're like, come on. I have to go.
Drive me a little crazy.

I feel like, I mean, having someone narrate my life would drive me insane. I was going to say, I kind of, I would think it's hilarious for like maybe a couple of hours.

Like, I'd be like, this is so fun. I wouldn't even make it a couple hours.
I think hour three, I'd be like, you can fucking leave now. Like, okay.

I need a learn time. Yeah, that's true.
But I also don't want my hand possessed for 24 hours. You don't want to do it.

That's the thing, dude. It's like idle hands.

I didn't think of that.

Oh, wow. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It could be, okay, your right hand can do a lot.

It's true.

Your right hand can do a lot, but also Zach Bagan's narrating his life for a few months or 24 hours. Oh, months of having a lot of fun.
He's like,

oh, shit. That's true.
So you could fix this. If you've ever seen the movie Idol Hands, you can at least try to fix this.
So if it's 24 hours,

you could lock yourself in a room. Ooh,

you could maybe like handcuff your hands and hair.

Yeah.

And I would just watch some motherfucking TV thing. Oh, that's a good idea.
And your hands are just like. Yeah, your hands just go off.

Let's go.

Letting it do its thing. I'm doing that.
Yeah, that's smart.

I'm changing. You're changing.
Yeah, you're changing.

Just because the length of time's sticking.

No, I'm a zero

theorist.

I would use that time to record a documentary about my life

pre-narrated, you know? That's pretty smart.

There you go. Yeah, you've already got the narration down.

All right. So, next, would you rather accidentally summon a Victorian ghost who refuses to leave until you let them co-host a vlog?

Or would you summon a demon who only communicates through Sam and Colby fan edits on TikTok?

I love how specific these are. Who came up with them?

We do have to collect them.

That is hilarious. We try to tailor them to our guests, as you can see.
Oh, man. I feel like we are being communicated by Sam and Colby edits on TikTok all the time.

I mean, that's so funny. Like, I want to choose that one because it's so funny, but like, practicality, I'd probably be like the first one.

Yeah. Because, like, think about it.
If you had a ghost, like, co-co-vlog, like, that's so viral. You're breaking the internet.
Yeah.

You also essentially already do that. Like, they're kind of like background stars in your videos, you know? Exactly.
But, like, imagine we're like, hey, guys, Sam and Colby, like, what's up?

Like, we're here with, and he's like, Paul. And he's just like an invisible guy.

Oh, Genedia.

Genedia.

I actually love that.

I get that. What are you doing, Sam? Yeah, I think to your point, the viral vlog is there.
You know what I mean?

Plus, like, you know, I feel like a ghost could.

Get other ghosts to get active, you know. That's true.
He like summons the other ones. Yeah, exactly.
The ghost would probably be the best ghost hunter out there. Probably hunt what you know.

Because he'd be like, You're doing this all wrong. Let me tell you how to do this.
Like, oh, he's like, This is what we respond to. Yeah.
You know, yeah.

He's working with the perfect translator, you know. Yeah.
Or is he like us where he's like, What was that?

Imagine that.

Did you see that?

He's freaked out by you. He's like, Why are you here? Like, what's going on? He's like, Oh my God, it's freezing in here.
Sadly,

I thought that was you. That's awesome.
All right, I think I would want to I would want to have a third voice on the pod. That's a good.
Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, we do, Nicholas.

Oh, we do. Yeah.
When we do our listener tale episodes, we do ghost tube. And there's a ghost, Nicholas, who like fucks with us while we record them.
And he just has things to say about the listener.

He doesn't like me.

We're not best friends forever. No.
He loves you. Yeah.
Running theme in our life, actually.

Wow. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know what I did.

I don't know what I did either. So I don't know why.
Yeah.

Beef with Nicholas. All right.
Beef with Nicholas big time. We've been friends like the last couple.
We've been amicable the last couple of times. Dead men love me, apparently.

Dead men have a thing for you. I don't know what that's about.
Yeah.

We'll go with it. All right.
Would you rather use a possessed doll as your permanent cameraman

or have to share your bed with a ghost who won't stop whispering? Smash that subscribe button until dawn.

Until dawn? Until dawn. All night.

Oh man. I would film that.

That's so funny. These are so unique.
These are amazing. I never heard any of these.

Probably smash the subscribe. Like, that's only like a 12-hour thing.
Yeah. And then you don't have to say it for a whole day.
Yeah, they're always doing it for you.

But you're sharing your bed with them. And you're trying to

which you've experienced. I have experienced that.
Yeah, like full-circle moments. I just hear them.
You're like, smash that subscribe.

So,

yeah, but like, imagine giving like a camera to like a haunted doll. Like, are they even going to be able to like hold it up? That's a shaky cam movie.
Exactly.

Are they going to throw it at your head? Yeah. And then you're getting the double chin angle all the time because they're kind of short.
They're never going to give you good lighting. True.

Not the good angle. That's true.
Would be sick if the possessed doll was like a cast member and like just like hanging out with us all the time. But the camera.
Turned it on himself.

Not cool. Just Annabelle running next to you or whatever.

So, yeah. I mean, imagine like it was me, you, and little Annabelle.
And just Annabelle. With the camera.
Yeah. That is a really bad angle

down there. Yeah.

She's their B cam, you know?

Oh, yeah. She's like the B cam.
We're like, Annabelle, just go film for me.

Even in the outside shops.

She gets pissed.

Go take our thumbnails. She's like, oh, dang it.

See, we wouldn't have to really worry about that. Yeah, we really don't.
We could have a possessed doll be our camera person only for one episode a month. Yes.

Yeah, and guest episodes will be like, this is just our possessed doll. We don't buy them account that.
Yeah. but I already have my kids are already jumping in my bed.

I don't need a ghost in there as well. Yeah, I'm not too hot.
I'm cranky in the nighttime. So

I don't want to deal with that. Yeah.
You'd punch the ghost. I would absolutely punch the ghost.
My husband says whenever he wakes me up that I like go into a fight position. Yeah.

When he woke me up yesterday, he was like, are you okay?

Are you dead? Hey, 4 p.m. you're hoping.
Yeah, 4 p.m. I'm ready to fight.

I just wake up angry. I just wake up like

every time. I do that thing too.
Like, I'll be ready for motherhood when it comes because I go,

and I wake up. You have to do that.
Oh, my God. That's like the mom thing that you have to do.
My kids tell me all the time. They're like, you sound like you're dying.

Cause they'll be like, Mama. And I'm like, what?

I'm like, it's fine. Drew's always like, water or do that.
I'm like, I don't know. I'm not like trying to.
You're getting ready to sleep question.

Getting ready to terrify your children in the middle of the night. Yeah, I'm ready.

Let's go.

Actually, yeah, I would definitely not have the ghost in my bed. No, no, no, no.

It would be much more useful for you. Yeah.

So mine is, would you rather accidentally marry a ghost through a botched seance wedding ritual? Like, oops, I married one of these. Whoa.

Or have a poltergeist that insists on being your chaotic third roommate and constantly messes with your editing files. Oh, you're myself.

You're either getting married in a botched seance. To a ghost.
To a ghost. Does that mean 50% of our assets are going to this ghost? Well, you maybe could sign a pre-nup, I guess.
Unless you do the

post-nup. A post-nup.
Yeah, you're going to do a post-nup. Yeah.

That is a post-nup. A pre-nup, but after the fact.

I have no idea.

Because this poltergeist is fucking up your editing. Oh, like you get to the point where you're happy with the video and he's like, how about I add a laugh track?

That is the literal worst fear of my life. Yeah.
Yeah. You're going to have like nights.
Who's to say, even if you accidentally marry this ghost, you don't fall in love. Oh, that's beautiful.

That's true. I like the optimism there.
You know, people are marrying everything now. Yeah, you know, yeah.
People get married to like cars and shit.

You can marry yourself. Why not marry a ghost? Yeah.

Dope. I'm trying to think, though, it would be a really hard conversation with our girlfriends, you know, like just being like, hey,

you know, I feel like it was an accident. Like, hey, we got to talk about an open relationship here.
Married. What do you think about sister wife life? Yeah.
Exactly. With a ghost.

Can we introduce a third?

Because I did.

By accident. My bad.
And now the ghost has to be a good one. It was a wild weekend, guys.

It's kind of like a corkscrag thing, actually. It is.
That's actually exactly what it is. Very much that.
Can we ask a question? Like, how long are you roommates with this poltergeist trickster ghost?

Through editing season. Yeah.

Once you're done editing. The rest of your editing career.
Yeah. You just get screwed up files.

of ruined like he pops in he's your roommate so i guess you could like buy him out of the lease but I don't know. It'll be that easy for you.

He like deletes the most important investigation every video. He's like,

That's the thing. That's what you're

facing. He adds like old-timey car horn sounds in the middle of your videos.

Just like

almost every now and again.

In fact, apparently, I already have, you know, extra ghostly friends around all the time, so I wouldn't mind, you know, having one in the relationship too.

Honestly, oh man.

I mean, I would hope that when I get married, it would be for life.

He's like, I am not divorcing, even if it's a ghost.

So, I think I might choose the roommate. Honestly, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I don't know if I'm going to be like editing until I'm like dead.
You know what I mean? So, like, that's honorable.

You just deal with it for a while. Yeah.

Yeah. I think marriage is more important at the end of the day.
Yeah. That's true.
That's beautiful. I respect that.

I would

say

Sam's like, ugh. Optimism of, you know, maybe falling in love with this.
They were both beautiful answers in different ways. I like them both.

Real nice. I don't want another husband.
No, God.

I like mine. I like mine as well.
But I don't want anymore.

I don't edit, so. Never have, never will.
I know it would be Mikey who would really be. I know.
Well, back in the day, you used to edit. I know, I used to edit it.
I've never touched that shit.

And I know how annoying that would be to have somebody touching it i know

but now it would just be mikey's problem

poltergeist poltergeist will live with mikey and date

but oh okay they're so they're mikey's roommate yeah now they're mikey's oh god that's pretty easy sorry mikey

off camera mikey's like fuck you guys

damn yeah because i'm not getting married during a ritual no it's a no for me no no no no accidentally or intentionally no all right so we're going with poltergeist. Sorry, Mikey.
Love you so much.

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So the next one is, this one's going to be hard, I think. Okay.
Would you rather have Bloody Mary show up every time you say subscribe

or have a demon gently bite you every time you plug merch?

Just

a little love bite every time.

Do we say subscribe or do we plug merch more? Oh, I think we plug merch more when we ask for subscribers.

That's true. You don't need as many subscribes now.
You're like, I got 15 million.

You know what? That's actually like, that's

whoa, yeah. So I would probably say,

oh man, actually.

But what do you want to have happen? Well, it's like, I'm trying to think about how hard is it. So, Bloody Mary's just going to show up.
I don't know what she's going to do.

That's the other thing. Yeah, we're not in trying to know what she was going to do.
She's just showing up. Or, so basically, like, are you into stalking women or

demons

who

it's just a gentle bite?

I feel like a gentle bite is like...

Like, at least you know what's coming. You know what I mean? It's not going to be hard.

It's finishing my sentence. He's like, kind of nice.

Like.

It's not breaking skin. We're just.

Okay. It's just like a little nibble and you're like, ooh.
Yeah. You're just like, oh, by the nerves.

Yeah, I would probably do that because what's Bloody Mary going to do? That's nothing. You don't know.
I get the gentle bite then. Gentle bite.
You're going to be gently bit by a demon.

I like the gentle bite, too. Gentle bite.
Gentle bite.

It would be really cool if we started every video and we were just like, hey, like, watch this. And you like filmed a gentle bite.

Yes.

Like, you were just like

by Explorer merch, and then you were like, look at that. Bam! That's kind of like two birds, one stone, you know.
Because then every viral clip is us plugging our merch. Exactly.
Oh,

that's smart.

That was actually a genius. You're like, how are you getting ghosts to bite? Yeah.
How to get the ghost to bite? Oh, shopexplore.com. That's fucking awesome.

Gentle bite. That's so funny.
That's the important part. I would take gentle bite too because I have a puppy.
So I do have a demon biting me. It's not that gently.
Wow. Yeah.
You're all used to it.

No, I'm so used to it. I have like scars and shit at this point.
Dang, you put up with it. Yeah.
I would say gentle bite. I think I'm going with gentle bite because, again, it's a gentle bite.
Yeah.

I want to, I kind of, part of me wants to see what Bloody Mary is up to.

That's a gamble. I know.
I I don't know if I'm not reckless. I'm also with you a lot, so can you not?

I was gonna say, like, how long she's showing up, though. You know, it's like one bite.
He's like, boom. But the subscribe could be like visiting you in your sleep.
That's true.

Yeah, what if you like talk in your sleep and you're like, subscribe? She's like, there.

Yeah, all my sleep talking is just that.

That's all we dream about.

You never know.

Yeah, I think, you know what? I'm going with demon. Yeah.
Because I don't think me and Bloody Mary would get along very well.

Nah. She seems angry.
Two strong gals. She seems too angry.
Yeah. You know.
I was so scared of Bloody Mary when I was little. I still remember the first time I did it.
Yeah.

I like screamed and ran downstairs. I got in trouble too, which was lame.
Yeah, stupid. Yeah.

I've never done it. You've never done it? I've never, like, I've been around people who have done it, but I refuse to do it.
Oh, it was like such a sleepover thing.

We absolutely should. Let's do Bloody Mary in my bathroom.
Let's do it in a haunted location.

Oh, yeah. Next haunted location.
Yeah, yeah. Like go to the bottom.

And then Bloody Mary. Let's go.

Halloween party somewhere in there. Yeah.
Itinerary dough. Maybe at the Halloween party.

That's smart. We invite Bloody Mary to our Halloween party.
Honestly, that's a draw. It is.

Well, would you rather have a cursed Ouija board that will sometimes randomly spell out your most embarrassing memories for everybody?

Embarrassing Embarrassing and like upsetting memories.

Oh, and upsetting. Yeah, I added to it.
I added to it. Because this one's pretty wild.

Or would you rather summon a Victorian child ghost, but that Victorian child ghost is only going to refer to you as Daddy Colby and Papa Sam?

Awesome. Definitely the child ghost.

Sick.

Definitely. I'd just be like...

I think it'd be just funny, honestly. Like, I'm not your dad.
I'm not your dad, but I'll be your dad.

I'll be your dad. I adopted a ghost child.
There we go.

That's so funny. That's so funny.
Yeah, I feel like that would be awesome to have an extra like

character in the video. It's just like

just your ghost kid.

Papa Sam. Papa Sam.

I think that's a valid choice. Yeah.
Are you, do you want another kid?

Why not? Another ghost kid. Yeah.
I'll call you Mama Alina. Yeah, Mama Alina.
All right. Why not? We'll go with it.
Because I don't want

my shit spelled out in a Ouija board.

Yeah. I don't want that.
Because that means you have to do a Ouija board with other people. And so

people are just

like the ghost was lying, I swear. Yeah, that wasn't me.
You're messing with me.

Yeah,

I'd go ghost kid. Victorian ghost.
For sure. Yeah.
No one needs to know those secrets. No, those are locked up.

All right. Would you rather spend a night alone in a pitch black asylum with a Ouija board

or spend a night in your own bathroom, but every mirror shows a cursed clown version of yourself?

Oh, God.

I loved your reactions.

I loved your reactions.

And you're alone in the asylum with no one else, just you.

But yourself. That's with a Ouija board.
With a Ouija board.

The first one sounds like an intense

version of our normal YouTube videos. Yeah, it does.
And the second one sounds like I'm going to have nightmares forever. Like a future.
Yeah, for the rest of your life. Trauma, traumatic experience.

So I'm just going to go ahead and do that. It's just one for each one.
Yeah, I would agree.

You said one night.

Both are one night. Oh, both are one night.
You just have to stay in the bathroom all night.

And just look at the other one. But like, your mirrors are just.
Yeah, dude. I just feel like that's a great idea for a vid.
Yeah, it's just kind of like extreme shaman cold. Yeah.
There we go.

Let's do solo challenges on a Ouija board.

Like we're turning all this into like a business on it. We're like, yeah, you're like, wait, I sat down.
Do you have a pad of paper? Yeah, let's do that. You're like, GM.

I'll probably do the first two, the Ouija board. All right.
Yeah.

I think I would do

my own bathroom and probably just, like, not look at the mirrors. Oh, just close your eyes.
Blindfold yourself and just fall asleep on the floor. Yeah.
I only have two mirrors. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh.

I mean, I didn't know you could just like not look. Yeah, I feel like maybe you have to look.
You have to look. Yeah, I feel like that's too easy to avoid it.
A cursed clown.

Maybe you have mirrors all around your room. Oh, fuck.
I just added to it. Damn.
Okay.

I had to make it harder. I was like, we got to make that harder.
Cruel. I don't want to be in a pitch black asylum alone.
At least if I'm in my bathroom, I'm in my own house. Yeah.

Don't knock until you try it. Yeah, that's true.
Alone, though?

Scary. But the views.
But the views

do it for the likes.

I think I'm going bathroom. It's one night I can do it.
I want to say the asylum because I want to do that really bad, but I know myself and I would absolutely panic.

The other night you were like, if we have to do anything, I was like, I can't go in a room by myself. Like, I will lose my mind.
Oh, that's awesome.

And then I was like, and then when we were in there, I was like, okay, I could probably go in a room by myself. But then I was in the back going up the stairs and I almost crawled over all of you.

Like, I was about to like parkour above you. You were like grabbing me.
You were like pulling me back.

It was like pitch black behind me. Oh, just walking at the end of a line in a pitch black area.
It's the worst.

And it was towards the end of the night, and I think I just felt way more on edge at the end of the night. I went to grab something by myself and I was like, why the fuck did I volunteer to do this?

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I was like, damn, it's freaky. I remember it was like right at the bottom of the stairs.
So I was like, I can do it. But then I was like,

no. It's scary.
It's a different feeling for sure. Yeah.

I literally almost scaled all of you and jumbled in front of them.

You know, like everything you feel behind you, but then in front, they're going so slow. It's always like, go fast.
Oh, yeah. I felt like you guys were at a dead halt.
And I was like, I'm dying.

Please.

Somebody's going to kill me back here. Yeah.
You're not moving. I know.
That was scary. So I would say bathroom, probably.

Yeah, I would do bathroom. Yeah.
And just deal with the consequences of that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, we've also, again, we've had experience being in one of these places.

So I think it would just be cool. Yeah.
Or like been there, done that. That's the thing I didn't want to.

I would do it if I was with one other person, the asylum.

You're not. Just one other person would make me feel better.
Yeah, I would do it with one other person too. Yeah, me alone, no.
No. All right.

Would you rather be locked in Waverly Hills with a spirit that mimics your best friend's voice, or probably each other's voices, or be chased through the woods by a skinwalker holding a KFC bucket and calling you dinner?

Oh my god.

That's so sadistic. Would you rather? Oh my god.
Okay, well, how did you come up with that?

You know what's insane? This sounds crazy.

He's like, so many KFC buckets.

Literally. All the time at Perry Old Location.
All the KFC buckets. Well, not KFCs, like specifically, but the doppelganger sort of voice mimicking has happened to us like two or three times.

With each other's voice.

Yes, yes. We were in Farrar Elementary and it was late at night and we were done filming.

I was like on the phone with my girlfriend and I could have sworn that Sam was like, yo, like three times like calling me because it was like super late and like voices echo in that like gym so I thought he was just like yo get to bed and so like I came in I was just like why were you calling me and he was like that was not me oh

that's wild I hate that a lot

I hate the idea of mimic yeah so as much as I want like a skinwalker with Cassie to chase after me that's hilarious I'd probably do the mimic because I've experienced yeah you've done it before

the mimic is really scary we've had that happen at the conjuring house before some other other places as well. We just hear each other's voices.
Or like EVPs will sound like our voices.

Sometimes like we'll have on the spirit box, you know, like the things that like the SS method type of stuff, like the voices that come through the radio sound like us and each other.

And it's like, no way.

Super strange. That is scary.
There was like a really scary

time in the conjuring house that like we were sitting on a couch just doing research and I forgot exactly what what i said but like i said a word and it repeated it back to me like it sounded like it was coming from like outside or whatever and and it happened on camera by the way so we have it all filmed we posted everything like where i'm like yo and it's like yo or something like back to me um multiple times and then i say it in the same like amount of volume i try it louder i try it softer or whatever and then the echo just stops but it did the same degree three or four times before it stopped yeah like it was like coming back multiple times and And then later that same week, because we stayed a week at the conjuring house,

I heard the same type of voice in the basement when I was alone. Colby was not even in the house.
And I just heard like his voice like ring. And I was like, oh, what? Like, he's back?

No, he's out in the woods. It was insane.
Yeah, that's just a lot of fun. Mimics

are very scary. Well, because they also feel like very diabolical because they're like.

trying to draw you in and it's like why well yeah most people believe that like mimics are like evil spirits yeah yeah for sure. I've had an experience in this house where I

was in the bathroom, and I was walking out, and I saw Elena like in the doorway, and I went to say something to her, and then she was gone.

And I came in here, and she was sitting right there, she's always sitting right there. And I literally, I was like, were you just in the bathroom?

And she was like, No, like, you were just in the bathroom.

I was like, I was like, and you saw me. I was like sheet white.
I was like, no, I just saw you. Oh my God.
And Mikey's experienced it too.

Like, he's seen her in like a, like out of the corner of his eye or like in a doorway somewhere. And then she'll like appear.
And he's like, were you just there? And she's like, no.

That's so scary. That's really terrifying.
Yeah. And I don't know why.
Why are you just showing up everywhere? I've been trying to figure it out. You're in three places at once.
Yeah. That's crazy.

I'm doing the most. Let's go.
I'm like, damn. Yeah.
I don't know why. It's scary.
It's freaking be awesome.

I mean, maybe in this case, it's like residual energy or something because this is your house. Yeah.
So. I mean, it felt fucking weird.
So I don't know. I don't like it.

It's just sinister that they'll disguise themselves as people you love or know, best friends whatever it's crazy yeah it's really scary i know because i've seen these like videos i don't know which ones are true or not but where they'll hear people like outside their door like speaking like someone they know and being like open the door i'm outside there's a whole like

you know series about that

i don't know what it's called i would never recover yeah

the one that we saw in particular and it was like the girl thought it was her mom oh yeah and then she the like guttural noise that she makes she like screams or something yeah because i think she says like

you're not my mom and it starts to make this like horrible sound on the other side of the door that like ruined me my goosebumps had goosebumps i want to pull it up i know we'll have to show it to you

horrible it was wild is this a video of this yeah

Oh my god. Oh my god.
I know.

I fucking hate it so much. Isn't that her?

Then she said she called her neighbor for help.

Every time I get really close.

Oh, I hate that so much. I hate it.
Yeah.

It's so scary. Even if it's not real, great acting.

I would not open that door.

I would jump out the window and burn the house down. Yeah.

So scary. I hate that.
So that's that. That's disgusting.
Yeah, it is disgusting. It really is.

That's a burn your house type thing. Yeah.

Yeah, that's over. All right.

So, next, would you rather? Yeah. Would you after that? Anyway, would you rather wake up every morning with a new cryptic symbol tattooed on your arm by ghosts?

Or be cursed so that every mirror shows your future funeral?

Oh, God.

That's so dark. Yeah.

Every day you get a new tattoo. Yeah.

Who knows how big it is? Every morning.

It's a cryptic symbol. Whoa.
We got

free tats.

It's true. Hopefully they're good artists.
Hopefully. Yeah, that's the thing that would freak me out.
Yeah, what if they're shitty? Yeah, I was going to say, what's the worst?

I have dreams all the time where I got like a horrible tattoo and I'm like, what do I do? Yeah.

Imagine trying to explain that to your friends, though. Like you wake up and you're just like, I I swear demons are like, I did not this.

They're like, okay. Cheers.
But seeing like your funeral,

that's like so mentally

messed up.

You know what? You guys are sadistic.

You guys are fucked up for this.

I kind of want to see you see my funeral to be like, who came?

Who's there? You know what? Then, if you saw it every day, you could see who your real friends are. Yeah, that's actually kind of like a great tool.

If things change, you all of a sudden see somebody not there. You can edit your funeral plans.
Like, no, everybody looks like shit. How about you wear this?

Yeah.

This coat looks a little lame. Let's get a DJ up in here.
Yeah. Something like that.

Get a better embalmer. I look like shit.
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I just feel like it would be like a constant like reminder that you're going to die eventually.
And so it's like, just

it's like a good perspective.

Yeah. So like you're like at a better live today well

or whatever and you're just like having a great time. You look in the mirror and you're like, and you're like, oh,

I'm going to die.

Take shots, everybody. But, like, with the tattoo thing, you can become like an experiment in a way.
I'm big in business. Yeah.

And, like, you can just be like, great people. You'll be like, hey, government, like, check this out.
Like, keep me in a lab or whatever and watch what happens to me every single day.

Yeah, you want to get the government involved?

That's great.

That is great.

That's a good point. You want the government to lock you in a lab? Yeah, I don't know about that.

You'll never leave. I just run your own experiments.

But hard on youtube for views yeah views not the government yeah not the government never the government if i could profit off of it on youtube yeah always be clean

hell yeah always be closing that's funny

yeah all right so you're going i feel like i'm gonna do tattoo

i'm doing funeral i think about my death all the time anyway yeah i'm doing funeral i mean i love tattoos but you only see the same artist i know i'm not a demon that's true he's not a demon his name is matt

He's not a demon.

Yeah. I would say the funeral.

Because I also always think about my own death. And I assume same.
I'm one of those people that's like, you might die tomorrow. Like, do that thing.
And I tell everybody else about it.

Eat that cupcake. Eat that cupcake.

I guess you could avoid mirrors. That's true.
Yeah. You could.
You could. You'd run into them every day.
I don't look in mirrors a lot anyway. Yeah.
Not like

every day. That's what I was just going to say.

It would be like a morning thing where I like start start my day being like, oh, mortality. And then it would just be like,

I can avoid. It would be kind of weird doing your makeup driving.

You have to look in mirrors a lot driving. I would actually see that.
You see your funeral every time you're in the car. You're like, oh God, there's a set.
Switch lanes are not the same.

Or does cameras count too? Like if you're looking at your phone, any reflection, probably.

I feel like we can't do any reflection. That's going to, we're going too crazy.
I think your bath's going to curve. Your bathroom mirror.
Bathroom mirror. The only bathroom.

Not the rearview mirror in the car.

If it's only dangerous. Okay.
Then I'm switching my answer as well.

I think I would just like come up with a routine, like get ready for your day, kind of like expect, like, I'm going to see my funeral. Yeah.
And then just you would get used to it. Yeah.
Yeah.

And then it'll be a part of your mortality for a minute. Then you're going to move on.
I switch.

Yeah.

Yeah. Swing.
There we go.

Yeah. Yeah.
The tattoos, I feel like, could get wily. I'm a control freak and I need to have my own tattoos.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And I feel bad going to Matt later and being like, I'm so sorry.

Can you fix this one? I feel like you're going to go back to your

bath. So, yeah.
So we have two more.

First one is: Would you rather hear a demon whisper your name every night at 3.33 a.m.?

Exactly. Or have a Victorian ghost lady follow you into every bathroom you enter? Oh my gosh.
Intrusive. That is intrusive.
Both are pretty intrusive, honestly. Probably the Victorian lady.

Really? I did not expect that. Really? I mean, I just feel like

would, I'm thinking like long-term here with the demon. Well, first of all, can you wear headphones when you're sleeping and then kind of like cancel it out? Nah.
Okay.

Does your wife or husband like here?

Nah, they're fine. It's just you.
So they don't, you're the one that has to live with it? Yeah.

It's your problem. It's your problem.

Interrupted sleep or interrupted bathroom time.

So is she like watching you while you're doing your business? I feel like she is. She's just like, she's not modest.
She's like, you should light a candle.

She's like, what'd you eat? You know?

I mean, that's more of like her problem. You know, like, that's my problem.

Well, the demons, my problem. Really comfortable with her.
Be like, yeah, I'll watch this one, bro.

Can you give me some paper towels? Technically,

if she wasn't able to communicate with anybody else, it's kind of like...

How do you know that's not happening to you like right now? Yeah, like that's your little thing. Yeah, you know what I mean? With her.
Yeah.

I would share that moment with Victoria Victoria Ghost, and that would be her problem. And I would just be like, sucks for you.
Yeah.

But then if I'm sleeping and there's something in my ear every single night, that sucks for me. I'm waking up every night.
Interrupted sleep.

I kind of agree. Instead of scrolling TikTok, you're like talking to a ghost.
Yeah. Chatting her up.
Yeah. It's kind of cool.
Yeah.

You're just talking about ghosts like that. Yeah.
You're going to ask her to like turn up. Someone walks in and you're like talking to yourself.
Like, you know,

throwing ideas to her. It's like, yeah, this is kind of crazy.
Shit.

You know what? That does kind of sound nice. I do the Ghost Lady.
Yeah. I don't want to be with her.
Is ours a ghost lady or is it a ghost man though? No, ours is a ghost lady.

The watch name was Ghost Lady.

Oh, Ghost Lady, sure. Yeah, totally.
Ghost Man, no. No.

Throw that out of there. Yeah, Ghost Lady.
I just be like, all right, girl. Hey, girl.
Yeah, let's talk about stuff.

I like that. I love it.
Yeah, that's an easy one because I don't want... My name's whispered in the middle of the night by all the time.

Children all the time. Thank you.
You don't need to ask me. You don't need someone else.

So the next one is, would you rather get trapped in a haunted mirror dimension with a ghost version of yourself? Whoa. A haunted mirror dimension.
Or

have a poltergeist that only, like forever, that only communicates with you by throwing tacos at your head.

That's awesome. Free tacos.
I like

that, right?

Just wear a helmet everywhere.

Try to drop it. Just try to catch.

Thank you. Imagine how viral that is.
If, like,

four or five times throughout every YouTube video, we just get a Taco Shell. Tacos.

It's like, where did that come from?

Is it like hard shell or soft? You can choose, whatever your preference is. You would be able to talk to them.
Maybe hard and

a beefy five-layer burrito, bro. Oh, I'm down for that.
Yeah. Taco Bell.
Throw some nachos at you.

Yeah. But if it's like hard shell, I feel like that could poke out your eyes.
Yeah, that could get

dangerous. It could get ugly.
And messy. I feel.
Yeah. It's not like messy.
Yeah, I would do the like a soft shell beefy five-layer burrito from Taco Bell. Oh, damn.
I want a little choosy here.

Shit, I want chocolate.

I'm going to have to find about this.

I'm like, are we ordering that after? Yeah, we are. Now we're in Taco Bell today.
And it was thrown right at our face.

I would definitely choose the tacos. Oh, yeah.
I love tacos. Big time.
I'm a big taco people. So I'd be like, talk to me all the time.
Let's go. Yeah.
He talks about that bad.

I know, unless he's like humming it at your head. I know.
What if it ruined tacos for you? Could it

ruin tacos for you? That could. That could.

What's the other option? Trapped and getting stuck in a mirror dimension with your ghost self? For how long? For a week. A week? It's not that bad.
I think Mr. Beast challenge.

I feel like Mr. Beast was somehow like in a few come up with that challenge.
You're getting trapped here for a week. You're inside the mirror.

With a ghost version of yourself. I might do a ghost version of myself.
I feel like you could learn a lot in that instance. That's true.
And then I could continue just having tacos when I want to.

At your leisure. At my leisure.
Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. A ghost version of yourself could be cool.
Yeah.

It's just know yourself. What if they're an asshole? Well, they're you.

And then you're stuck there for a week.

Are you an asshole? That looks like you. Sometimes.
Not to yourself.

We're changing it. The mirror version of yourself is the asshole version of yourself.
It's the asshole version. It's like the bad part of you.

Oh, you're living with the bad part of you. Ooh, that's scary.
You have to come to terms with the negative side. That's a lot.
Maybe that's like a therapy session, though. That is kind of therapy.

Very therapy session therapy i feel i'm sticking with that i think that'd be a cool experience you might come out a better person

yeah we don't know how hard the tacos are hurting your face i don't know and we love tacos so we don't want them ruined oh and you don't know when they like materialize in the air like if they just materialize as they're coming at you well you want to explain things i don't eat in my bed so i don't want tacos on my bed i don't want that

that's very true yeah you're driving and just gets smacked on the head

that is dangerous

trying to take your everything shower Oh, you have like the music on and everything's nice and calm. And then like a giant burrito hits you in the face.
Terrible. I'm using it.
You just start off.

Right after you finish your shower, and then boom, and you have to go back in the shower. And you're like, God, just washed your hair and you get like queso in your hair.
Oh. No.
That'd be awful.

Or like right after you blow dry your hair.

No. No.
No. Mirror dimension.

I'm facing the shitty version of myself. So are we all doing shitty version of ourselves?

Yeah. I was going to go for the taco.
You're still doing tacos even even after all that. I mean, come on, take another shower.

You may kiss the bride, like taco in the face. Taco in the face.
You just start getting to the point where you're like catching them in your mouth.

She's got to get them gains.

I like it. So we got three mirror dimensions, one taco.
One taco demon. All right.
All right. We'll just take your tacos.
Oh, you know, true. You know, give us your little shares.
Yeah.

I could feed the homeless. We married.

Wow. Here we go.

Toss tacos wherever you go.

That's great.

All right. I think we learned a lot.
I think we did. We definitely did.
We know ourselves much better than each other. Yeah.
So let's do the two truths and a lie ghost edition. Oh, yeah, to end.

You guys are going to tell us two truths and a lie. Okay.

So I'm just going to be looking straight here so you can't look at my eyes. I know.
I'm trying to get ready, poker face. Yeah, seriously.

One time I went to the Veliska axe murder house and

during like one of the last investigations, there was a spirit that tugged on the back of my crew neck that I was wearing and it scared me and made my eyes tear up instantly and yeah it was one of the only times that's ever happened where I've felt like a physical sort of touch like that.

Holy shit.

Another time I was in a spot called Bower's Mansion. It was in Texas.
And I was speaking out to a ghost named Bernard who was known specifically to slam doors.

And after I asked him to directly slam a door, it happened in front of my face.

And I instantly also broke out into tears, but this time down like my face. And it was one of the most traumatic jump scares I've had in my entire life.
Damn.

And they're all convincing so far.

And then when I stayed in a week in the conjuring house, I was forced to stay in the basement on the last night and was uncontrollably sobbing the entire time until Sam was able to get me out at 5 a.m.

All these

are so so terrifying and real.

And they all involve crying. Yep.
Oh, that's true. They do.
He cries a lot.

What's your astrological side?

Oh, cat recording. That's weird that you cry a lot.

I don't cry that much.

That's all I got.

All right. It takes like ghostly intervention for you to cry.
Exactly.

Exactly. That's what it would take for me to cry, for sure.
I think the last one is a lie because I think that was Sam.

Okay.

What do you know? Um, do you know something?

Am I like, are you working off of Intel? No, I'm not actually working off of Intel, but I'm working off like a possible memory of something I saw online. Oh, okay.

I didn't see any full videos or anything, but I remember when you guys were teasing it. I don't know the second.
I'm not going to pick that just to be different. Okay.
I'm going with Bernard. Okay.

The second one. Tell us.
You were right. Yeah.

It was you, right?

I was not in the basement. I went to the basement one time, but I didn't cry.
Oh,

every single time.

That was me in the basement crying till 5 a.m. Holy shit.
Wasn't it something where you saw your grandma, right? Yeah. Oh, my God.

It's crazy. In the basement?

That was the reason why I was crying, but that was earlier in the week. I did go in the basement till 5 a.m.
And it was really, really terrifying. And you cried because it was so scary.

Not in the basement. I just made that part up.
Oh. But he had an experience in the living room.
The basement in the middle of the night till 5 a.m.

was where I heard Colby's voice, voice, the mimic that I was kind of describing earlier in the podcast, where he was outside actually and like in the forest. And I was like, holy shit.

Hearing his voice, like call out when I was like alone. It was really, really creepy.
Oh, my God.

We haven't been to the conjuring house yet. I really want to go.
I want to go so badly. You guys have to go.
I was supposed to go. I know.

My husband actually got me, like, he knows me very well for our anniversary. He was like, we're going to go on a tour of the conjuring house.
Oh, that's cool.

And there was like supposed to be a medium there. And it was going to be really and i think he got sick right before and we weren't able to go

and if he got like vertigo too he gets vertigo and it like knocks him down for like a week oh damn it was weird but yeah

maybe you weren't meant to go yeah so you guys gotta go i know because it's not far from us yeah the conjuring house is actually going up for auction oh really this halloween really yeah the last owner um is yeah no longer like a part of it and so they're like literally selling the house oh my gosh so did wait did matt rife not buy it uh it's up for auction he wants to he's gonna be in the bidding i'm sure oh okay i see

yeah matt rife just recently bought the annabelle doll yeah and the warm museum

so that's like a different thing but i thought annabelle was missing

the same the same annabelle they took on like tour and then yeah allegedly it went like missing yeah but then

but then they got her yeah they found her yeah it was all kind of like a hoax though like the fact that she went missing it was kind of blown out of proportion she went on tour and then like because she wasn't at the house people thought people were she was missing well she wasn't missing she was on tour she was kept in busy she went to like new orleans people were like yeah people were just blowing she was filming for people yeah she was that possessed doll you know

she was decam down the hallway aiming at a corner

oh we have to go i know

sabrina and korin have gone there yeah they had crazy stuff

they did like the st's method there some like really crazy things yeah you guys have to check out two girls one ghost yeah you would like them. They're like super spooky paranormal stuff.
Sounds good.

Okay.

Yeah, we love them. All right, for sure.
Yeah, we'll do. All right, Sam, you're up.
Okay, I got it.

So I'm also going to look at the

coffee to get shared. All right, there's been a paranormal story of a ghost who caused a disease that actually ended up becoming a virus that a lot of people got.

There has been a confirmed death by a ghost.

And there has been an Illuminati cave that turned to be haunted.

Hmm. Alright, we know the middle one is true because we covered that case.
Yeah.

Shit.

But we still have two to work with.

What was the first one? It was the virus.

The virus.

And then an Illuminati cave that was haunted.

I'm going with Illuminati cave. I am too, because that's like, I feel like that's a conspiracy.

It's the first one. Oh, my

fire!

Fire. No, no ghost fiery.
I almost went there. No, no, no.
So there really is an Illuminati cave? Yeah.

It's called Hellfire Caves in England. In England.
Yeah. It's basically the Illuminati of

the first thing.

You guys know that. Shit.
And then frankly, going down there and doing stuff. Damn.
Yeah. I covered it on, because it's...

Like the Hellfire Club. Hellfire Club.
Oh, oh, I do remember that now. Damn it.
They did a bunch of

trolls down in there, and then it ended up becoming really haunting. Yeah.
What are the odds? You picked two cases we covered. We were still tricked.
And I didn't remember the one that I covered.

Well, I mean, that's a lot of cases in our lives. It was.
I forgot you guys were the experts. That was a great nut.
Oh, my gut was seeing the virus, too, and I didn't go with it.

Ah, darling, with your gut. It felt believable.
Yeah. Good job.

Well done. Let's go.
Well done. All right.
Well, we're going to move on to recording our next episode. Yeah.

If there's anything you guys want to plug, plug,

plug away. Hail Week's coming in October.
Our biggest series of the year launches on October 5th. Ooh.
And the finale. This is going to be an exclusive for your guys' podcast.
Oh, okay.

So for our Halloween finale, it just has to do with a really famous movie.

I think it's the most famous horror movie that's happened recently.

Like in the past month. I don't believe that's happened recently.
The most famous horror movie we were able to get to go investigate.

Everyone at home will know.

But maybe you guys aren't horror movie fans. We are.
We have a horror movie.

There's been so many. I know.
I'm trying to think of what they're doing. Will you tell us off camera? Yeah, of course.
Very cool. Of course.
Okay. I'm probably going to feel stupid after.

No, I will tell you. Oh, shit.
It has recently become the number one horror movie to hit any box office. Damn.

So that's pretty cool. Anyway.
Oh, I'm excited. That's so cool.
See Halloween. Yeah.
Thank you for giving that

exclusive on Morbid. I know.

I'm so excited. Anything else you guys want to plug? Thanks for having us on.
We love having you guys. Thanks for coming.
So, thank you guys so much for listening.

We hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird.

But that's so weird that you don't go check out Sam and Colie's YouTube videos. Let's go!

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