Episode 633: Listener Tales 93

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I'm Elena. And I'm Ash.
And this is Droom-a-ma.

What would it be backwards? Hold on. M-O-R-B-A-D.
This is Dibrom.

This is Dibrom. This is Dibrom.
Welcome to Dibrom. Dibram.
This is different. It's...
We switch places, you know? It's Manic Monday instead of Freaky Friday. Yeah, it's Nuts Monday.
It's Nuts Monday. This is uncomfortable.
We hate it um everyone around us has different opinions everyone around us hates it my daughter would not speak to us she would not and i was like you love us as each as like who we are i walked downstairs and my daughter and uh sydney barked and growled at me and ran

at me like who are you intruder walking into my house because i don't let's be honest i don't

look like i don't look like ash um i look like various things you look like a lot of things i do i look like i've caused a lot of issues you look like you stay causing issues i remain what'd you say i remain causing issues i don't know what i look like but it's not you you just look like you just look chill i mean you're pretty chill and with a widow's peak i drew this on the wig didn't come with one i said oh wait the missing piece we need a widow's peak i have a peak. I have a goss shirt.
A goss shirt. So there you go.
And it's pink. Pink.
So I had a little bit of ash. A little sparkle of ash.
There's nothing of Alina in this getup. Ash even put bronzer on me.
For the first time. I've never worn bronzer.
I don't have any bronzer on right now and I feel naked. I didn't over-align my lips.
Nope, I did. You did.
You actually look great with an over lined lip. Oh my god, thank you.
You're welcome. Um, we forgot to put long nails on Elena.
We did. I should have stuck like pieces of tape or something on there.
All right, we're back. We said if you're not wearing nails, then're not doing drag and we're doing drag today honey although my nails have never looked like that thank you and if they fall off i go immediately to my boy heli nail ninja we're just gonna let it go today just gonna let it go today no sometimes you gotta work through it all right well it's a take time off to, I never do.
No, you can't do it. Only when I take my day off.
No. Oh.
I hate wigs. I hate wigs.
I hate wigs. Okay, alright.
Okay. It's Listener Tales.
It's brought to you, by you, for you, from you, and all about you. I probably should have said that, but I don't remember that.
That's okay. So I can't do it.
I't be ash you know what few can who can you know only ash just me yeah but we have listener tales today um just fixing yes you are like me today you're getting distracted yeah i'm getting to see i'm like you have to find something to fiddle with oh i do i will don't you worry so should i start um ash or should you elena go ahead i hate it i hate it so

start all right start are you gonna do my hair flip

No, don't reveal!

Don't let them know!

Oh, okay.

Oh, the hair-ography is hair- the thing we do a little one just a little one mine is not that dramatic it's more dramatic i'm bringing it down a little bit all right we've never flipped your weave off so i haven't ever i'm crying i'm literally crying but that's because i'm an empath all right all right this one is oh by the way mary chrysler and happy uh oh wait you wouldn't say that i'm trying to say that happy yule happy yule there you go happy yule is what elena would say i hope your holidays have been so gorgeous

i hope your holidays have been so gorgeous

that really is amazing to say

what do i say i feel like i would just say fuck you

i'm literally crying what other things do you say oh that's that's about it I think we covered it. Oh, no.
Leave it in. Oh, leave it in.

I think that's it.

I'm sorry.

I think we've, I'm literally crying.

What other things do you say?

Fuck you.

That's about it.

I think you covered it.

That ran the gamut.

Wait, wait, wait.

Tobias, come on the show.

Oh, that too.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

Oh, God.

I literally have tears in my eyes.

You're too.

Oh.

Oh,

Thank you. okay okay oh my god I literally have tears in my eyes oh this is an unhinged one everybody that's what it's supposed to be alright so like we said hope your holidays were gorgeous fuck you so this one says Sarah the boogan something like that the bogan no bogan no it's boo boogan boogan boogan it's en or ian it's both like it's like boogan boogan boogan boogan boogan boog out it's lost all meaning you never had one in the beginning i was gonna say i didn't know anyway i lost another nail not another nail you gotta go see heli i know so to start off this story i have to give some background on my great grandma b she was a very quiet person who kept to herself a lot when she did talk it was usually to ask a question criticize something or talk about what she called the boogans boogans well however you spell it that's what she called ghosts ah i like that okay she had a lot of encounters with ghosts in her lifetime most i can't remember because i was young and she rarely spoke one encounter i do remember was when she was in the hospital a man came to her bed and told her it's not your time yet now a little background of the ghost in question here sarah i grew up in a haunted house there were certain rooms that would just creep us out and we'd feel something in them same relatable yeah my house used to be a doctor's office where autopsies were performed and is over a hundred old.
So that may play a part in it. Maybe.
That's so cool. Maybe.
I don't remember this too well, but when I was very little, my parents would find me in my room seemingly by myself. And when asked what I was doing, I would say, I'm playing with Sarah.
She seemed friendly and other family members had seen her on occasion as well. One of the most notable was when my mom came home when the house was empty and saw a little girl staring out the window of one of the rooms that gave us the creeps.
My oldest brother saw her and may have used to play with her as well, but I don't quite remember. This happened on Christmas when I was very little.
I used to sleep in my brother's room for Christmas Eve, and this particular Christmas, Grandma B was to sleep on a cot in that room as well as she was staying over for the holiday now i overheard my parents talking about grandma b staying over and they had to use the phrase sleeps with her eyes open to indicate that she was a light sleeper ah little me had no idea what that meant and in my mind i was shocked taking it very literally like she's just laying there like how could somebody sleep with their eyes open so i decided that night christmas night i was gonna see for myself i stayed up in my brother's top bunk patiently and quietly waiting for grandma b to fall asleep then i snuck down the ladder to have a peek i stood over my grandma b to see if she really did sleep with her eyes open grandma b my grandma b did i say that in tense no but it just sounds like that grandma b grandma b her eyes were closed as i was looking and then suddenly shot open i absolutely booked it out of the room and into the bathroom to hide as i was frightened being caught standing over her after a while hiding in the bathroom i went back to bed and fell asleep the next morning she told everyone that she had seen sarah the boogan standing over her that night sarah the boogan sarah the boogan. I kept silent, but years after she continued to tell that story, and I kept my secret until she passed away, probably almost 20 years later, I finally told my family, and everybody was shocked and very amused that I was the ghost my grandma had seen that night.
The boogan. The boogan.
I love it. I like that.
I like that short, sweet, and to the point. That is, and that's very Christmas.
That is so Christmassy. It's a very Christmas ghost story where it's like, I'm the Boogan.
It's Christmas tomfoolery. I feel like Boogan is a thing.
That's a thing that they do call spirits, I think. Boogans are brutish, hairy, orc, quaggoth, crossbreeds, sometimes known as spider killers.
You know what? I was about to say that. Huh.
But then I didn't want to come off as a know-it-all, you know? I know. Usually that's my job.
It is. The Boogans is also a movie.
It's E.N. Oh.
But they're like yucky. And then in the Trolls movie, there's Bogans.
There are Bogans. That's why I thought you were talking about Bogans.
I like the Bogans. The Bogans.
The Bogans. Your turn, Ash.
So Ash's turn, and it's going to be Listener Hello. Listener Tales Christmas Edition.
Christmas. And it says, attached, you will find a put-a-foot of my Christmas Edition Listener Tales you enjoy i will who knows all right it says hello my spooky obsessed friends love you and your podcast so much i love you thank you i don't know if i can say your name yet so i'm not going to say it don't say it yet all of the congratulations on all of the things marriages new and old kids cats books giving me nightmares for a week etc thanks for all that the last is not an easy thing to do so truly congrats how you may ask was it that's a john wayne gacy episode what how you may ask was it the john wayne gacy episodes no how about a spooky road also no dennis raider hell no the scariest thing about that asshat is his hairline.
That's true. What then? That failed pirate Carl fucking pans ram.
No, he was creepy. He was crazy.
Yeah. Can't put my finger on why he tripped the night terror switch.
However, I did not sleep for several nights. Thank you.
He was a wild one. So I get that one.
No, he really was. For sure.
That's valid. He's an underrated scary one for sure.
My name is Leanne.

Go ahead and use it.

Leanne.

There you go.

Today I'm offering you an example of my dad's questionable parenting choices in the form

of a listener tale Christmas edition.

Let's get after it.

This is the story of when my dad had my sister and I get pizza delivered to a murder scene.

First, a bit of context of how my dad just is. He and our mom split when my sister and I were very young and my dad never remarried.
So his gauge on all things child related can be far from standard at times. Not in an abusive way, more of a they are clean and alive, therefore they are just fine kind of way.
Kind of like the dad in Overboard. Exactly.
Just like, you know, it's fine. Our mom moved to the Midwest and we spent our lives flying between the two.
Dad in California, mom in Indiana, Michigan. Oh, that must have been so interesting.
I know. Because you're seeing like totally different areas.
And flying that much. It's Christmas Eve 1991.
I was 11 and my sister was about to turn 13. At this time, in his 20 years with the Sheriff's Department as a patrol officer, that, you buried the lead there? You really did.
You really did. Because when you said...
To a murder scene. Get pizza delivered to a murder scene, I was like, did your dad murder someone and then call you to bring pizza? That's also what I thought.
This explains it. This explains it.
My dad worked days, a.k.a. the worst six months of his working life.
Who works days? It is the absolute worst thing ever. Both quotes my dad firmly stands by to this day.
I kind of get that. I know, I get that.
So it's around lunchtime, and my older sister and I are sitting around the house, most likely watching absolute trash TV, because while there was never food in the house, we had all the cable channels. We were waiting for our dad to get off work to take us to our family's yearly Christmas party when the phone rings.
it's our dad and he needs us to do him a favor now this is very odd because no matter his work shift hours whenever he needed something from us he would just swing by the house because we lived in his patrol area side note this meant it was also okay to leave his two kids home alone while working graveyard ship because quote if anything happens i will be the first know. We live in my patrol area.
I mean. And then it says questionable parenting.
Valid. Valid.
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Masterclass.com slash morbid. So dad is on the phone and has a task for us to complete, and we must follow his instructions exactly as they are given to us.
These instructions were as follows. Call the Pizza Hut in Lakeside.
Ask for the manager. Explain we are the daughters of one of the officers that just hauled ass out of the restaurant request for delivery to the following address don't actually remember it so let's just say one two three four crazy street in east county san diego stress the fact that whomever delivers the pizza is not to pass the first patrol car on the block under any circumstances that part was extremely important i love that in all this time he called you guys to reiterate that information.
He could have just called the pizza people himself. Yep.
Now at this point, my sister and I are following these instructions to the very letter. As this whole situation is freaking us out big time.
Everything about it was just off and strange. An hour, maybe two go by and dad calls again.
Pissed. He said he gave us specific instructions and they needed to be followed and they were not.
Now he has a quote unquote mess to deal with and doesn't need this today. Now we're not only confused, but we're also scared.
Our dad only yelled at us if we broke something while fighting in the house. So getting chewed out by him was not standard operating procedure.
We continue to wait for our dad to get home, all while trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Several more hours go by.
Finally, our dad gets home from work and apologizes to us, saying he's sorry for yelling. That's good parenting.
That is good parenting. That he stopped by the Pizza Hut prior to coming home and spoke with the manager, and that she told him we did follow his exact instructions, and that she is very sorry her dumbass employee can't follow simple instructions.
All right. The specific instruction of not to go past the first patrol car.
Why was this important, you might ask? Well, turns out the delivery address was a few doors down from a murder scene. Uh-oh.
So this is what went down. On this Christmas Eve, 1991, also this is the most early 90s 90s parenting ever truly while sitting down for lunch a call came out over the radio of shots fired man down this is when my dad and his fellow patrol officers on duty ran out of the restaurant to get to the scene once they arrived they find out that two tweaked out people had been fighting out front of one of the houses on Crazy Street.
At some point point person a went into his house and left person b outside in the yard person b was not done fighting he was he was like he said i'm ready to go he said i still got energy and found something to stand on to look through a front window of person a's house where he was met with a shotgun blast straight to the face oh my god holy shit yikes fell straight back into the yard missing most of his head and face human debris all over the front yard why the upset phone call you may ask well the delivery driver did not follow instructions walked right past the first patrol car under the yellow tape and right up to my, no. When my dad sees him, he asks in a very direct, forceful manner, what the fuck do you think you're doing? Get behind the tape now.
Stupid delivery kid makes some joke about how word is this is a crime scene and that someone might get shot, might have got shot. And my dad responded by saying, yeah, that guy right there and pointed to the dead dude a few feet away.

I mean, your dad is the most 90s cop I've ever heard.

Also, don't be an idiot.

Don't make a joke of a crime scene unless you want to get scarred for life.

You just walked under a yellow tape.

Get out of here.

Who do you think you are?

Whatever you see is your own fault at this point.

I'm also like, where was anybody telling you not to?

I know no one's stopping you.

At this point, the delivery driver almost dropped the pizza, started screaming, throwing

up and basically having a massive panic attack, which is the thing our dad, quote, didn't have time for right now. In all fairness, dumbass should have followed directions.
And what asshat thinks it's okay to cross under yellow crime scene tape because, quote, I want to see what's going on? Yeah. My sister sat on the couch listening to this explanation of things completely dumbfounded.
We could not believe our dad a law enforcement officer had his children get pizza delivered to a crime scene as if this is a 100 normal thing to do i have no words other than highly questionable parenting keep it weird my dudes but not so weird you still want lunch while working a murder scene and therefore have your kids get you delivery p.s it was pizza for all the law enforcement officers on scene not just our dad they're a whole group of weirdos that i've known my whole entire life lord help us what a 90s tale that was an amazing 90s tale i've never heard of a more 90s father that was great and i love your dad oh man that. Yeah, definitely.
I bet he like got, as he got older, he got awesome. Yeah, definitely.
All right. My next one is Listener Tale Holiday.
Hanukkah ghosts. It's a miracle.
Just kidding. It's a puttapha.
A miracle. A miracle.
Truly a miracle. I know puttaphas are a miracle.
They are. All right.
So it says, hi, lovely ladies. I initially sent this back in April when I was new to your show and had just heard last year's holiday listener tales episode.
Since then, I have become so much older and wiser and am therefore resending this as a double-spaced put-a-fuh and at the appropriate time of year. And I'm not going to apologize for the fact that it's really long.
Never. See, I've learned so much from you.
You have. When you said you hadn't heard many Hanukkah-related ghost stories, I knew I had to chime in.
By the way. my time to shine.
It's my time, baby. By the way, hi, my name is Emma, and you can use it because it would be so thrilling to hear it coming from your beautiful voices.
Is that creepy? No, Emma. Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma, Emma.
Emma, Emma, Emma. Emma, Emma, Emma.
First, I have to say that since April, I have listened to every episode and have become a hardcore follower. Love you.
It's so nice to find such a badass couple of women in this very male-dominated genre. Yes.
Thank you. I mean, oh my god, thanks.
Yes. I especially appreciate your sisterly relationship.
It's really at its peak today. Oh no.
It's really on display. It's on display every day.
And it reminds me of my own relationship with my younger brother as a historian i really value all the research you do to bring your stories into life and dave i was gonna say shout out to dave as a history oh i was gonna read the same thing as a story just one more time i have to give a special shout out to the lake shawnee amusement park episode i love that episode that was such a good episode whoa haven't been that terrified since, well, my own ghostly experiences, which I am going to share with you right now. Hell yeah.
I am playing with my hair more than you ever would and I can't stop. Should I be playing with mine? Obviously.
Okay. Starting at the beginning, I grew up in a, oh, Queen Anne Victorian in San Francisco.
I would like that. Wake up, San Francisco.
When my parents bought the house in the early 90s, I was eight, my sister was four, and my brother had just been born. From the beginning, my parents knew something was up.
The realtor told them that the novelist who lived up the street, none other than Danielle Steele. Whoa.
Shut up. Had just sent a ghost hunter slash paranormal investigator to every house on our street for research for her new book about ghosts that is wild i wonder which book in particular it was i don't know but what what a like what a life to leave what a flex that is a flex they're just knocking on doors being like ah so miss steel down the road sent us to research your house she'd like to know if your house is haunted damn that's great the realtor was thrilled to inform my parents that ghosts had in fact been found in their new house yippee one of the defining features of my parents house is that it has a super long creepy hallway we love it my room and my brother's nursery were on the opposite end of the long hallway from my parents room thanks mom and dad and we were quick to discover that was the more haunted end of the house thanks thanks again yikes many of the standards uh occurred in those early days you know lights flickering doors opening elena i know you can relate to all of the times as a teenager i literally said out loud okay ghost i need to sleep now please stop opening my door i literally have said that before i was like i really gotta get sleep after having to get.
Yep. As a child, the sound of someone walking up and down the creaky hallway was unmistakable.
I would lie in bed and listen to the sound of someone slowly approaching my room from the far end of the house. Yeah.
That's like when, because I moved into Elena's room after she moved out and you could hear the footsteps all night, but going up the stairs. So you would have this moment where you were like like is it a burglar or is it the ghost and you just never know no it was always the ghost yeah and it sounded like work boots yeah it did like heavy work boots some days my mom's sister and i would remark about how the previous night had been particularly noisy to the effect of did you hear the hallway last night oh yeah you did too did you hear the hallway last night? Oh yeah, you did too.
Did you hear the hallway was bumping last night? That hallway went crazy. My dad was always the unbeliever.
Don't worry, we'll circle back on that one. The most frightening thing I remember happening constantly as a young child, though, was when I would hear people putting dishes away in the kitchen.
About halfway down the hallway hallway there was a banister to the staircase

that used to be the maid's staircase or the back stairs to the kitchen i remember telling myself my parents must be unloading the dishwasher even though it was late i would creep out of my room and peer over the banister down into the kitchen to see all the lights off oh no nope no parents oh and hearing the clanging of dishes while the lights are pitch black yeah that, that's horrifying. No, no.
Makes me think of a sixth sense. Yeah.
That scene. Oh, so freaky.
Just some ghost dinner parties. Yeah.
When I went to college, my little brother took over my bedroom. That's hilarious because I was just saying literally the same thing.
Many years later, when he was already in college himself, I mentioned the putting away the dishes noises. His face went completely pale.
He said, what? I heard that all the time too. I can't believe you never mentioned that to me.
You guys got to talk more. I know, seriously.
That was some serious confirmation that it wasn't just the fancies of Danielle Steele haunting me as a child. No.
I'm sure you're dying to hear about the Hanukkah part by now. Let's go.
As you have mentioned, Elena, our ghosts also like to join the the party we saw way more activity during and after big parties and of course renovations oh yes you probably want to know what made my dad a believer i do i do i really do yeah we do it wasn't the footsteps in the hallway or my door opening or the dishes or the secret door in the wall of the basement excuse me buried the lead there girl lead there, sister. Girl what? Then in parentheses, yep.
Yeah. Or finding whiskey bottles in newspapers from the early 1900s in the rafters during, guess what, renovations.
Oh my god. That must have been so cool.
That's so cool. No, it wasn't those things.
It was the Hanukkah party that went on after we all went to bed. There was a Hanukkah party after you went to bed? I kind of love that.
I love it. Well, the end of the hallway where my bedroom was is still to this day for sure a hot spot.
The dining room is the place that as children we always avoided and held our breath whenever we had to switch on or off the lights. It had the most haunted look as it had all the original mahogany wall paneling from the 19th century.
Oh my god. I just felt like more of a rose in that moment oh i love that i need to see it please send a picture i want to see it's the place also with the most ghostly vibes i love it it is obvi where my parents hosted company so one hanukkah night i came into the city with some friends when i was in college at berkeley and my mom made latkes for a group of about 10 to 15 people including some friends.
Something to know about my mom is that she's legally blind. So A, she would def not have been putting dishes away in the dark at any point in my childhood.
And B, she has a very unique way of checking to make sure all the candles are out at the end of the night. My parents are very fire cautious.
Ours too. Yeah.
This is very weird. We weren't allowed to have candles.
No my mom your grandma my grandmother her mother yeah they would not let us no ever she she yeah so when we would all go up to bed if the menorah was not done burning yet you don't blow out those candles oh yeah my parents would put it in the sink to finish burning without you know burning the house the house down. Oh, that's pretty smart.
Anyone else do this, fellow Jews? Because that would scare me. Yeah.
Leaving a candle of any kind lit. Yeah.
I never even thought of that. Debbie was saying that her and Pat, her husband, used to bet on which candle would go out first.
So they wouldn't go to bed at all. They'd just wait for the candles to burn out.
That makes sense. I get that.
I know. That's smart, though, the sink trick.
Yeah, the sink trick is very smart. Yeah,

because it's pretty safe. Because if it falls, it's in the sink.
It's going in the sink. The

sink's not going to light on fire. I mean, to my knowledge.
You're like, nah. Water's right there.

Yeah. Anyway, point being, my parents were very fire conscious.
And even after my dad checked,

my mom would go around feeling the wicks of the candles on the table with her fingers. Damn.
To

make sure they were not only out, but not even hot anymore. That is some badass mom energy right there.
She's like, I'm just going to palm the flame. For real.
If there is, we'll palm the flame. Damn, does I think neither should payday.
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So this night, after celebrating the miracle of fried food when my friends and I had gone back to college and my parents had long gone to bed my dad you know the unbeliever was woken up around two or three by a tapping on the front door no also some fun news our front door is 500 pounds of 10 foot tall cast iron and glass i need photos of this house seriously that i need gorgeous photos photos photos i need them i need pictures i love it my dad described the noise as somebody tapping a fingernail on the glass door repeatedly one of these one of these fingernails you say one of these got stuck to me that was weird it's literally just a post-it but i didn't like it anyway it's a nail i know it felt it gave that don't shatter the illusion it gave that vibe uh um hi bye no that's how I feel. He went down the front stairs and heard it again, then whipped his head around as he heard my mom's cell phone charging in the corner suddenly power off.
Ooh. As he turned his head to the open door of the living room, there was one candle in the middle of the dining room table, still lit and illuminating the ghost Hanukkah dinner party.
I'm obsessed. Guess what? My dad believes now.
Around the same time he was scanning photos for my grandma's birthday slideshow. Yes, when scanning was a thing we did.
Yeah. It's so funny because I thought you meant like looking.
Oh my god. Like scanning a room.
And claims that a picture showed up on the screen that was not on the scanner bed. In fact, no one had ever seen it before.
It was a picture of the dining room with someone we don't know sitting in the chairs from a time before we owned the house.

Shut the fuck up.

I love that.

That is terrifying.

I love that.

I love that that was a literal ghost Hanukkah party in the middle of the night.

Yes.

Like they were literally like, hey, just having a little party.

Just showing up.

That's incredible.

That's amazing.

Now, between then and my latest story, I met my husband while living in albuquerque new mexico we moved in together into a rented gorgeous octagonal is that how you say octagonal octagonal victorian because that's something you can do as a graduate student in albuquerque crazy cheap rent we thought it was so cool that they were always shooting breaking bad right across the street am i dating myself yes i am hell yeah yes i'm 35 hi alena hi what's up you're i mean i'm so high i'm so young he's so old shut up excuse me fuck you i told my then boyfriend now husband about my experiences growing up in a haunted house and he was intrigued but like many boyfriends before thought it was more of a funny story than a scary one he had never had any scary scary ghost encounters yet uh-oh you were about to bring it to him literally the first night we slept in the bedroom we were falling asleep when we were jolted out of bed to a truly horrifying sound it was like the wall started cracking all around us but like in a clockwise circle like this cracking would sweep around the room in a circle from one side to the other enveloping us in the bed what the fuck never figured out what that was i love i'm obsessed that anticlimactic isn't even the right word. It's just like nonchalant as fuck.

I love just... Never figured out what that was.

No chalance to be found.

We're going to move on from that.

Wow.

We would frequently see shadows moving in the dining room, which was a separate room with a swinging door on each end, and each of those little pass-through windows into the middle of the kitchen.

While standing in the kitchen, we would catch the shadows out of the corner of our eye through the little window.

I think I remember you talking about dining rooms in particular in one spooky episode. Probably.
Probably. Yeah, I'm sure at some point.
The kitchen was the room where things would literally move. We would put our phones down in there.
Then it would be gone. We'd search the house for 20 minutes and then come back to find it in the same place where we left it.
That's fucked up. Things would move and fall on the floor when we were sitting in the living room with our backs turned to the kitchen.
Once I actually saw a plastic bag come up and out of a drawer and fall onto the floor and thought, cool, that's what those noises are. Wow.
Again, not a chalant to be found. No.
Or actually the most chalants to be found, really. But the worst was the shared hallucinations slash dreams my husband and I would have.
Let's get into it. Yeah, that scares me.
Love a shared hallucination slash dream. We both.
Have you ever had one? No, but I love the idea of them. It's a great idea.
They're awesome. We would both frequently wake up to a dark shadow with a sinister presence standing in the corner of our bedroom.
That sounds like it sucks. I don't like it.
We would both also see some sort of spinning plate above our heads in bed.

What?

After years of living in my parents' house, I never felt a sinister present from those ghosties.

I was comforted by the movie The Others, thinking that ghosts didn't know that they were haunting us.

Aw.

That's kind of how I feel about Papa's house.

Yeah, they're not trying to bum you out. I always just think they lived here first.

They're just going about their business, you know?

Yeah.

It's like, I was going to say residential hauntings. I thought you gonna say resident evil and i was like what huh no interesting i was gonna i meant to say residual hauntings that makes more residential that makes more sense you just thought resident evil you know that kind of wasn't ash's first you're right you pretty.
It's seeping into my soul. It's the blonde.
It's the blonde. We actually bleached Elena's hair.
We did. This is my real hair.
Oh my god, one time we did. That's, no, you guys saw when I did my hand flip, it almost went flying.
All right, all right, all right. But that Albuquerque bedroom was dark.
My husband shared the feeling. We could not wait to get out of there.
So by the time we were staying at my parents' house when I was pregnant with my son in 2019, congrats. My husband had no longer thought the ghosts were some cool backstory.
He had his own haunting experiences. And while he never had heard anything too out of the ordinary in my parents' house, he believed my stories.
That's a good man right there. It is.
He also said he never felt anything sinister like he did in Albuquerque. Sinister vibe.
Until I was pregnant, sinister vibe. Uh-oh, then it became sinister.
Sinister vibe. Bibe.
Literally. Sinister vibe.
Something changed. At that point, I had started sleeping with noise-canceling headphones on because, hi, pregnancy, aka the time when you don't sleep before you have a baby and then you don't sleep some more.
Oh, it beautiful time the first time i slept at my parents house when i was pregnant i was upstairs on the third floor which used to be the maid's quarters in the victorian days i started staying in there when i was in town when my brother took over my old room as it tends to be less spooky up there it's interesting that the third floor is less less i know you would think it would be the most spooky. Yeah right? I feel like the and the oh no.
Oh girl.

I feel like the extremes of

the house

are always the spookiest. Yeah.

The bottom and the top. Yes.
Things in the middle

are usually just what they are. Yeah.

You know just like the meat of the

meat. The meat of the sandwich.
The bread

is the scariest. Yeah.

The haunt hoagie. That's the meat

in the middle.

That.

Your brain just did some shit.

That was.

I liked that.

The haunted hoagie.

Yeah.

TM.

We're putting it on a shirt.

Someday.

Yeah.

Someday.

Someday.

Anyway.

La la la.

I guess the ghosts weren't that thrilled with that development because I woke up in the middle of the night to the feeling of someone's hand squeezing my knee. Nope.
I hate that. I told myself it was sleep paralysis and didn't move for a few minutes.
Though my thought was, oh shit, do ghosts like babies or something? Oh no. When I came back five months later for my baby shower, my husband was with me and I was much more pregnant.
I could not get comfortable in the full-size bed with him. So I woke him up and made him relocate to my old bedroom where my mom and dad had put a king bed temporarily because of, yup, renovations.
Oh my God, sleeping pregnant, not sleeping pregnant. Yeah.
It's such an experience. That must be a lot.
The more pregnant you get, the more you're just like, get the fuck away from me, everybody. It's kind of like it's just getting you ready when, for when the baby comes.
Because then you're never going to sleep. Oh yeah, it makes you real ready.
Yeah, yeah it's it's like conditioning it is well i put my headphones on and told myself i was too preggers for this shit you were but five minutes later my husband woke me up take off your headphones uh that feeling in my stomach i knew what was going on would you hear i asked him oh no he said my dad must be walking up and down the hallway never mind i didn't really want to move so pregg So preggers. So I said, okay.
Five minutes later. Okay, that's it.
He shook me awake. I heard the shuffling sound in the hallway and I could deal with it until I heard it come into the room.
Oh, I don't love that. The shuffling steps came down the hall and straight into the room to the foot of our bed, despite the fact that the bedroom door was still closed.
No. I knew exactly the sound he was talking about.
All right, we're going back upstairs, I said. I know exactly what you're talking about, and it's never my dad.
No matter how many times I told myself that it was growing up, it's just never my dad. I love that she's just telling her husband this.
She's like, I'm going to be real, I'm going to be frank. I'm going to be Francis with you right now.
That's not dad. It's never my dad.
It's never going to be my dad, never was my dad. I love, it's just never my dad.
It's never my dad never my dad well i hope you enjoyed my spooky hanukkah tales thanks so much and keep it weird but not so weird that you move from one haunted house to another one in new mexico because they film breaking bad across the street you know where the scenes where walter meets lydia at the cafe and then you move out because there's um somebody who's not doing well living in the backyard stalking you yep skipped that skipped that part. And also a shadowy presence in your bedroom.
And things move themselves in the kitchen with the little pass-through window to the haunted dining room and then get pregnant and have ghosts be way too into your unborn child. Okay, this took me three hours to write.
Hope you like it. Bye.
Emma, if you can't tell, I'm an Alina Fain girl. Oh, Emma, I love you.
P.S. Since writing this to you, I was contacted by an old friend from middle school who told me she has vivid memories of hiding in the bathroom because she was too afraid to cross the haunted hallway to get back to my bedroom since she could sense that there was something lurking out there more confirmation pps uh also since writing this i bought a new house congratulations yay i researched the owners for fun there was one owner who was an irish immigrant and a cop who died in a shootout in the 1940s.
Whoa. And he lived there the longest.
I definitely stood alone in the living room feeling the vibes and shamelessly asked the real estate agent if they knew of any hauntings before we signed. Like a long time alone feeling the vibes.
And I said aloud, are you there, Sergeant? Necessary. And happy to report only good vibes.
I love picturing you in the middle of your living I'm just going are you there sergeant necessary and happy to report only good vibes i love picturing you in the middle of your living i'm just going are you there sergeant it's me margaret it's me it's me emma good vibes though i like the good vibes i love that a lot that was a great story i love it emma you rule and that was amazing i'm trying to see i'm gonna i'm gonna move past christmas to another's a holiday? Just because this one involves a foot. So I feel like it's necessary.
Necessary question mark. Listener tales, that time we found a foot on the 4th of July.
Okay. I mean, how can I not go to that one? Alright.
Well, let's go to this. Hey, weirdos.
I'm Nicole. And yes, you can use my name.
Shout out to my cousin Kayla, who is a fellow listener and also on the weirdest river trip of our lifetime. I mean, I really hope it doesn't get any weirder than this.
Okay. First, a little background.
Every year, my family floats the river near my grandparents' house for the 4th of July. That's fun.
For those of you who aren't from the Midwest. Me.
Floating the river usually involves putting in upstream on a local river with some type of flotation device or small boat you get to enjoy the beautiful scenery typically hot weather and at least for my friends and family partying your way downstream until you reach your predetermined destination all right don't worry we always designate a driver or have a pickup ready don't drive and drink and drive my friends yeah Great, great. Great, great.
Great, great. Don't worry.
We always designate a driver or have a pickup ready. Don't drive and drink and drive, my friends.
Yeah. Great, great.
Great, great. Great, great.
Our family usually uses a combination of canoes tied together, inflatable tubes, and kayaks. Oh, that sounds fun.
That does sound fun. This particular trip for normal paddlers would be three to four hours with short breaks.
That sounds like a lot. My arms hurt right now.
You would hate this.

Yeah, you would too. You would hate this for sure.
We would hate this. I think you would hate,

I would hate this as well. As Ash? Yeah.
Yeah, you would hate that so much. Yeah, okay.
That's

what I thought. I would like the partying part.
And the floating part. Like earlier in my life, I think.
These days, I think I'd be like, I'm too tired. Could you be just like a floater? And everyone else does stuff.
No, because I can't. I couldn't float for like three to four hours.
I feel like I would panic. Me too.
However, when 90% of the adults are highly intoxicated and you're stopping at every sandbar for pee breaks, we usually expect six to seven hour trip. No, no.

We had roughly 20 people on this year's trip

with kids, seven kids under eight years old,

one to two coolers in each canoe,

stereo hooked up and old rock gyms blasting.

This is my happy place.

Most of my favorite summer memories

have been made in this section of the...

We're going to Google it.

We're going to Google this one.

I don't want to ruin your river.

Yeah.

Hold up. Hold up.
We're going to have Google't want to ruin your your river yeah hold up hold up

we're gonna have google say it to you makokita makokita that's fine to say makokita so most of

my favorite summer memories have been made in this section of the makokita river makokita

quite honestly this included and i feel this is a safe space for me to say that given what happens

next yeah this is always a safe space for me to say that, given what happens next. Yeah, this is always a safe space.
It is.

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So back to the trip in question. About 45 minutes into our 7-hour float, we all have a solid buzz on when my cousin, floating ahead of the group in his kayak, notices a boot floating just beneath the surface of the water.

The water is muddy, but pretty clear this time of year.

He tells my brother, who's slightly closer to what he assumes is just a stuck boot.

Thinking he had just found a random shoe, my brother grabs the boot out of the water. And I shit you not, there is an entire tibia fibula covered in a dirty, sandy sock sticking straight out of the tied boot.
What? Hello? Blink, blink. Hey, perfect job.
Thank you. Back.
What? What? Excuse me, what would you say? What the fuck? That's what you would say what the fuck that's what you would say i love following up with that's what you would say you were like nailed it you did you nailed it nailed it nailed it nailed it so um oh my god that's oh my god that's crazy what the fuck um shocked at the sight of a human fucking leg my brother dropped the boot back into the water not today and honestly i can't believe we floated the two guys stared at each other for a minute and then yelled for our parents who were in a group of canoes tied together nearby and all the commotionotion, the music gets turned down. They were like, turn down the tune.
They were like, we need to see. And my mom yells to me that they found a foot.
Hey, hey. We found a foot.
We found a foot. Imagine.
You got a buzz on and somebody yells to you that they found a foot. How do you move past that? You sober up real quick.
Yeah, that's a sober sobering moment now at this point in time i was in my own world about 20 feet behind the group talking with my friend when i finally figured out what she was saying i was positive this was just my family playing a joke on me i would think so too me too of course i paddled over with my kayak to see what was going on because even if it was a joke i needed to see what they were talking about as I'm paddling downstream I spot this dirty boot floating along near the canoes after making sure my five-year-old wasn't in eyesight oh my god I pulled the boot out of the water and sure enough there is a fucking human leg hanging out of this boot that the thought of that image is just too much I dropped it back in the water because like what do you do you do? I don't know. Now the group is yelling at me, half saying to leave it and the other half saying to call 911.
I look over at my mom who nods at me as if to say, do it. Being my morbid self.
Thanks, ladies. You bet.
I pull the boot back out of the water and throw it on my kayak. Stop it.
I'm proud of you. So here I am, 50 minutes into a seven-hour float with a right lower leg on my kayak.
Oh, my God. No one had cell service.
And to be honest, we were a little worried the DNR wouldn't be cool with our general lack of life jackets and planned alcohol consumption. Hey, it's planned and you have a driver.
There you go. After talking with my uncle, who is an EMT, and my mom, a nurse, we decided I would paddle back upstream to the nearby sandbar, where we could easily reach later via gravel road.
Again, I already have a buzz on, and my ass had to now paddle upstream. Oh, no.
I'm not an athletic girl, so this took a bit. Once I reached the beach, I set the foot down in a clearly visible place i could later identify for the police the whole time i'm paddling all i could say all i could think was oh my god i can't wait to tell lady i'm obsessed because even though we're not best friends in real life we are in my head and we are in real life as morbid of a discovery we made our family still enjoyed a full day on the river and had a blast.
You guys are reckless and I love it. I love it.
I would be so worried that the rest of the mans was somewhere underneath us. Which would show us, yeah.
After we got off the river at 6 p.m., my uncle called in our discovery. We sobered up a bit and went down to the scene to give our statements to the sheriff's deputies.
Picture a fairly intoxicated, sunburnt mother of two with a morbid fascination for all things true crime, I'm trying to set the scene for the deputy. Like I'm on, I'm some type of professional who doesn't just listen to a lot of podcasts and watch too many murder documentaries.
This is actually wild. This is a, this is a story and I love it.
I would pay money to watch that body cam footage. I would too.
The next morning, my brother went out to the scene and showed investigators specifically where we had pulled out the boot. While he was there, they dug into the sand and found pieces of denim.
A few weeks later, we found out they excavated the area and did recover a body. So he was floating with you.
He was floating with you. My fear confirmed.
Yes. After a few months, they confirmed the body was that of a missing man from the area who was last seen in november 2020 even though this whole experience was wild and a story i will tell around the bonfire for years to come it was not lost on any of us the impact our discovery made i only hope we brought this man's family a little justice at this point there's never been yeah a little piece sorry at this point there has never been an official cause of death release that know of.
And although there's lots of rumors for what may have happened, out of respect for this man's family, I won't speculate. Good on you.
Sometime when I'm not running on fumes, I will send in my best ghosty stories. Please do.
Please do. Turns out I'm fairly sensitive in spirits, good and bad.
I almost said fairly. Turns out I'm fairly sensitive.
That's so me. That's very you in spirits good and bad really dig my vibes both my children are similar and keeping our home cleared and cleansed in a con is a constant battle about two years ago i saw several mediums and ended up needing to perform a ritual to remove a negative attachment from a past life we'll send over that information yeah things have gotten much easier since then and my life has transformed into something truly beautiful that i didn't know was possible oh that just made my heart so full love you both and look forward to seeing a new episode every time they pop up thank you for all the time and energy you put in the podcast it has gotten me through many long work days and house cleaning days stay weird weirdos i feel like i could like feel her energy through the puttiful and that For real.
And that, I love you. You have great energy, Nicole.
That was great energy. Yeah, it filled me with happiness.
I loved that. Is this you on the river in your Gmail thing? Is it? I think, oh no, that's a pool.
Oh, okay. But I still love you.
Floating in a pool. Wow.
All right, so listener tales, a lighthearted sign from the afterlife, not lice after life christmas tale life after life

do you believe even life after lice i need to just move it into a thing i can see we'll just keep i believe that lice is in your hair I really don't think you're strong enough.

And I'm a hairdresser.

You used to stay. That was unfortunate.
You had to fight through the lice. Anyways, listener tales, a-hearted sign from the afterlife christmas tale about life hey weirdos i'm katie you can use my real name katie katie katie i am typing on my phone and can't figure out how to type how to double space this shit so i did my best you know what your best is all right it's great it's great it's short and sweet so hopefully that makes it less strenuous on the eyeballs blind is about over here so here, so I can feel the pain.
I feel like all I do is listen to Morbid, day in and day out. One could say I'm obsessed.
I'm obsessed with you. I'm obsessed with you.
Where? Obsessed with you. Hell yeah.
Lots of eye rolls for my husband when I shush him for trying to talk to me when he gets home from work and I'm deep in an episode. Priorities.
I triage that shit. Let's get in.
Anyways, let's get into it. Starts sad, but don't worry.
It gets better. Cool.
When I was in fifth grade, my brother Kevin passed away from, is it glioblastoma? Yes. Oh, I'm so sorry.
It's the most aggressive type of brain cancer. I was one of six kids and it was a tough year for all of us, especially my parents having lost a child.
I can't imagine. No.
We knew the holidays would be particularly rough. When it comes to Christmas, my mom loves wrangling as many of us to help decorate the house as she can as you can imagine with six kids we have all sorts of christmas ornaments on the tree wild i know from school age my favorite being my older my older sister's preschool ornament that is literally just a piece of scotch tape on a string with a raisin hanging from it everything gets hung up it's like the snl the snl christ back of the christmas tree skit oh my god my mother-in-law sends that to us every christmas it's so funny i'm obsessed with just the peach piece of scotch tape with a raisin hanging does that go at the back that shit is right that shit is so right because if my kids made that i'd be like let's put it on the tree we have a lot of we have a lot of ornaments with our names on them and we we scour the box to find our respective ornaments and hang them up so one morning right around christmas time the year my brother passed away my dad came to us and said you'll never believe what happened last night as a brief backstory my brother absolutely loved the 90s karate movies bruce lee vibes he sounds amazing watch them constantly especially when he was sick and home all the time it was a running joke in our family that those karate movies were always on my dad said he was laying on the couch in the family room watching tv after we had all gone to bed and heard what he thought was the doorbell ring he got up to check and no one was there before even making it to the couch the tv in our living room yeah late 19 1990s early 2000s we had two gigantic 9 000 pound box tvs living large clicked on and it was absolutely blasting a karate movie oh that was him now this tv had channels one through 10 so basic so basic shocked it wasn't black and white and the movie was on a channel he saw on the main tv as being in the hundreds.
Yeah. Like how? How? Yeah.
He shut it off quick so as not to wake the rest of us up. Halfway back to the family room, it clicks on again, full volume blasting the karate movie.
I love that. What a badass sign to send to your family too, a karate movie.
I love that. I love it.
He shut it off again and finally made it back to the couch and decided to have a little chat with my brother at that moment oh my god my heart he explained to him how hard it had been without him and how much everyone missed him he asked my brother for a sign before he could even blink something fell from the christmas tree my dad got up and sure enough a heart-shaped or i'm gonna literally cry right now a heart-shaped ornament with my brother's name on it had fallen from the tree to the family room floor. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
Believe what you will about this kind of spooky stuff, but in that moment, I think we all felt peace for the first time that year. No, I have actual goosebumps.
Bumps of the goose variety. Like, full.
I figured a happy little goose bumpy story would be a good palate cleanser, if you will. I seriously love you guys so much, and we love you and your family please continue to keep it wicked weird oh yeah picture of the ornament included just for funsies oh my god katie oh wow oh my i just got chills all over seriously oh and i wonder if they glued it back together i know it kind of looks like it looks like there might be a little crack in it.
But I can't tell if it's the light, but I think it is. But that is, that's him.
The fact that you're, first the karate movie happened and then your dad was like, we miss you and it's been hard. Like, can we have a sign? And then boom.
And immediately his ornament. And like, like Katie just said, there was six kids in that family.
Yeah. Of all the ornaments.
There's billions of ornaments. Yeah.
All of, I mean, our tree is three kids and it's like a billion ornaments i can't imagine six throughout the years in that age for that one to fall that's special that's really really special that's a christmas miracle miracle oh we love you guys we love christmas we love fourth of july we love floating and we love floating we love each other clearly because we really dedicated ourselves to this I love nails you love nail I love a manicure so this was amazing it was so much fun loved it can't wait to get out of this yes love you love you so much can't wait to see you in something like this back at you do you, cool. Yeah, I do.
But yeah. So we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird.
But not so weird that you find a severed foot while you're just trying to float and get a little buzz on on the 4th of July. And also, keep it a little weird that you get this light-hearted ornament that's a sign from your brother and also he's playing karate movies in the background because that's fun and there's some good karate movies especially phones from the 80s i love karate smooth karate smoothies forever uh also grandma be in the boogan keep it that weird because boogans are weird and that's awesome um send pizza to a crime scene but only if someone requests you to do so.
And follow the fucking instructions.

Also, ghostly Hanukkah parties?

Sign me up.

Let's go.

Where's the lock keys?

I love it.

Keep it that weird.

And we love you guys.

Oh my god, I almost lit that on fire.

Imagine.

Oh my god.

Goodbye. hi goodbye I'm I'mos.
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